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from sklearn.datasets import fetch_20newsgroups
# a collection of 20k newsgrop document, devided into 20 different topics. post form usenet newsgroup, the subject including politics, computer, science, religion.
from collections import Counter
# Counting the occurences of element in a list (Or any iretable)
from sklearn.feature_extraction.text import CountVectorizer
# converting collection of a text document into a matrix of token counts. represent textual data in a suitable format for machine leatning algorithms that expect numerical input
from sklearn.model_selection import train_test_split
# splitting a datasets into training and testing subset. devide your data into into two separate sets to train your macine learning model on one subset and evaluate its performance on the other
from sklearn.naive_bayes import MultinomialNB, ComplementNB
# naive bayes commonl used for text classification task.
# 'MultinominalNB'for multinominally distributed data. it assumes that the feature(in this case counts of a token in a document) are generated from a multinominal distribution given the class label
# 'ComplementNB" handle inbalanced datasets and skewed class distribution
from sklearn.metrics import classification_report, ConfusionMatrixDisplay
# Classification Report::
# generate a text report that provides a comprehensive summary of the main classificaton metrics for machine learning model. it takes a true lable and predicted label as an input and computes some several metrices, includding precission, recall, f1-score, and support for each class
# precision = measures how many of the prdicted positive instances are actually positive
# recall = measures how mamy of the actual positive instances are actually correctly predicted as positive
# f1-score = harmonic mean of precission and recall, providing a balanced meassure of model performance
# support = the number of sample in each class
# ConfusionMatrixDisplay::
# visualize the confusion matrix, which is tabular representation of the models prediction versus the true lable. helps to analyze the performance of a classification label.
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
import seaborn as sns
import numpy as np
newsgroups = fetch_20newsgroups()
newsgroups
{'data': ["From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing)\nSubject: WHAT car is this!?\nNntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 15\n\n I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw\nthe other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/\nearly 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition,\nthe front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is \nall I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years\nof production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you\nhave on this funky looking car, please e-mail.\n\nThanks,\n- IL\n ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----\n\n\n\n\n",
"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo)\nSubject: SI Clock Poll - Final Call\nSummary: Final call for SI clock reports\nKeywords: SI,acceleration,clock,upgrade\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1qvfo9INNc3s\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nA fair number of brave souls who upgraded their SI clock oscillator have\nshared their experiences for this poll. Please send a brief message detailing\nyour experiences with the procedure. Top speed attained, CPU rated speed,\nadd on cards and adapters, heat sinks, hour of usage per day, floppy disk\nfunctionality with 800 and 1.4 m floppies are especially requested.\n\nI will be summarizing in the next two days, so please add to the network\nknowledge base if you have done the clock upgrade and haven't answered this\npoll. Thanks.\n\nGuy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>\n",
'From: twillis@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas E Willis)\nSubject: PB questions...\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 36\n\nwell folks, my mac plus finally gave up the ghost this weekend after\nstarting life as a 512k way back in 1985. sooo, i\'m in the market for a\nnew machine a bit sooner than i intended to be...\n\ni\'m looking into picking up a powerbook 160 or maybe 180 and have a bunch\nof questions that (hopefully) somebody can answer:\n\n* does anybody know any dirt on when the next round of powerbook\nintroductions are expected? i\'d heard the 185c was supposed to make an\nappearence "this summer" but haven\'t heard anymore on it - and since i\ndon\'t have access to macleak, i was wondering if anybody out there had\nmore info...\n\n* has anybody heard rumors about price drops to the powerbook line like the\nones the duo\'s just went through recently?\n\n* what\'s the impression of the display on the 180? i could probably swing\na 180 if i got the 80Mb disk rather than the 120, but i don\'t really have\na feel for how much "better" the display is (yea, it looks great in the\nstore, but is that all "wow" or is it really that good?). could i solicit\nsome opinions of people who use the 160 and 180 day-to-day on if its worth\ntaking the disk size and money hit to get the active display? (i realize\nthis is a real subjective question, but i\'ve only played around with the\nmachines in a computer store breifly and figured the opinions of somebody\nwho actually uses the machine daily might prove helpful).\n\n* how well does hellcats perform? ;)\n\nthanks a bunch in advance for any info - if you could email, i\'ll post a\nsummary (news reading time is at a premium with finals just around the\ncorner... :( )\n--\nTom Willis \\ twillis@ecn.purdue.edu \\ Purdue Electrical Engineering\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." - F. W.\nNietzsche\n',
'From: jgreen@amber (Joe Green)\nSubject: Re: Weitek P9000 ?\nOrganization: Harris Computer Systems Division\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nRobert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) wrote:\n> abraxis@iastate.edu writes in article <abraxis.734340159@class1.iastate.edu>:\n> > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip?\n> As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice. It\'s got this\n> quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points.\n\nDo you have Weitek\'s address/phone number? I\'d like to get some information\nabout this chip.\n\n--\nJoe Green\t\t\t\tHarris Corporation\njgreen@csd.harris.com\t\t\tComputer Systems Division\n"The only thing that really scares me is a person with no sense of humor."\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-- Jonathan Winters\n',
'From: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell)\nSubject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question\nOrganization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 23\n\nFrom article <C5owCB.n3p@world.std.com>, by tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker):\n>>In article <C5JLwx.4H9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes...\n>>>"Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected\n>>>errors. ...". I am wondering what an "expected error" might\n>>>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but\n> \n> Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.\n> "Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"\n> I\'d be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.\n> \n> tom\n\n\nMy understanding is that the \'expected errors\' are basically\nknown bugs in the warning system software - things are checked\nthat don\'t have the right values in yet because they aren\'t\nset till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code\nand possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew\n\'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it\'.\n\n - Jonathan\n\n\n',
'From: dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)\nSubject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas)\nOrganization: VTT\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <1r1eu1$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:\n>> In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>> >In article <C5n3GI.F8F@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n>\n>> >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the\n>> >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great.\n>> >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of\n>> >> the government only. Individual access would result in the\n>> >> needless deaths of millions. This makes the right of the people\n>> >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant.\n\n>> >Thanks for stating where you\'re coming from. Needless to say, I\n>> >disagree on every count.\n\n>> You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of\n>> mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a \n>> neighbor\'s right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve\n>> gas on his/her property. \n\n>> If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of\n>> the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us?\n\n>I don\'t sign any blank checks.\n\nOf course. The term must be rigidly defined in any bill.\n\n>When Doug Foxvog says "weapons of mass destruction," he means CBW and\n>nukes. When Sarah Brady says "weapons of mass destruction" she means\n>Street Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles. \n\nI doubt she uses this term for that. You are using a quote allegedly\nfrom her, can you back it up?\n\n>When John\n>Lawrence Rutledge says "weapons of mass destruction," and then immediately\n>follows it with:\n\n>>> The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns,\n>>> this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions\n>>> on them.\n\n>...what does Rutledge mean by the term?\n\nI read the article as presenting first an argument about weapons of mass\ndestruction (as commonly understood) and then switching to other topics.\nThe first point evidently was to show that not all weapons should be\nallowed, and then the later analysis was, given this understanding, to\nconsider another class.\n\n>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n\n\n\n-- \ndoug foxvog\ndouglas.foxvog@vtt.fi\n',
'From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney)\nSubject: Brain Tumor Treatment (thanks)\nReply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 12\n\nThere were a few people who responded to my request for info on\ntreatment for astrocytomas through email, whom I couldn\'t thank\ndirectly because of mail-bouncing probs (Sean, Debra, and Sharon). So\nI thought I\'d publicly thank everyone.\n\nThanks! \n\n(I\'m sure glad I accidentally hit "rn" instead of "rm" when I was\ntrying to delete a file last September. "Hmmm... \'News?\' What\'s\nthis?"....)\n\n-Brian\n',
'From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 44\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\nDXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:\n>In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says:\n>>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,\n>>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has \n>>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."\n \n>I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: \n>performance. Where do they get those numbers? I\'ll list the actual\n>performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a \n>statement is absurd: \n>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. \n>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. \n>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. \n>ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions)\nALL this shows is that YOU don\'t know much about SCSI.\n\nSCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} range is indeed 0-5MB/s\nand that is ALL you have right about SCSI\nSCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}\n Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1\n so it DOES exist. Some PC use this set up too.\nSCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst\nSCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst\nSCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst\n \nBy your OWN data the "Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI" is correct\nWith a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB/s which is indeed\n"20% faster than IDE" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been\nposted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on \nsumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as \nmac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)}\n\nPart of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI\nis which. Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip\nan Apple salesperson said "it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip" {Not at a 6MB/s,\n10MB/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB/s maximum synchronous and Quadra\nuses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER} It seems that Mac and IBM see\nSCSI-1 interface and think \'SCSI-1\' when it maybe a SCSI-1 interface driven\nin the machine by a SCSi-2 controller chip in 8-bit mode {Which is MUCH\nFASTER then true SCSI-1 can go}.\n\nDon\'t slam an article because you don\'t understand what is going on.\nOne reference for the Quadra\'s SCSI-2 controller chip is \n(Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)).\n',
'From: holmes7000@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: WIn 3.0 ICON HELP PLEASE!\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 10\n\nI have win 3.0 and downloaded several icons and BMP\'s but I can\'t figure out\nhow to change the "wallpaper" or use the icons. Any help would be appreciated.\n\n\nThanx,\n\n-Brando\n\nPS Please E-mail me\n\n',
"From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr)\nSubject: Re: Sigma Designs Double up??\nArticle-I.D.: ux1.C52u8x.B62\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 29\n\njap10@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Pellettiere) writes:\n\n\n>\tI am looking for any information about the Sigma Designs\n>\tdouble up board. All I can figure out is that it is a\n>\thardware compression board that works with AutoDoubler, but\n>\tI am not sure about this. Also how much would one cost?\n\nI've had the board for over a year, and it does work with Diskdoubler,\nbut not with Autodoubler, due to a licensing problem with Stac Technologies,\nthe owners of the board's compression technology. (I'm writing this\nfrom memory; I've lost the reference. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)\n\nUsing the board, I've had problems with file icons being lost, but it's\nhard to say whether it's the board's fault or something else; however,\nif I decompress the troubled file and recompress it without the board,\nthe icon usually reappears. Because of the above mentioned licensing\nproblem, the freeware expansion utility DD Expand will not decompress\na board-compressed file unless you have the board installed.\n\nSince Stac has its own product now, it seems unlikely that the holes\nin Autodoubler/Diskdoubler related to the board will be fixed.\nWhich is sad, and makes me very reluctant to buy Stac's product since\nthey're being so stinky. (But hey, that's competition.)\n-- \n\nStan Kerr \nComputing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana\nPhone: 217-333-5217 Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu \n",
'From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)\nSubject: Re: Recommendation on Duc\nSummary: What\'s it worth?\nDistribution: usa\nExpires: Sat, 1 May 1993 05:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX\nKeywords: Ducati, GTS, How much? \nLines: 13\n\nI have a line on a Ducati 900GTS 1978 model with 17k on the clock. Runs\nvery well, paint is the bronze/brown/orange faded out, leaks a bit of oil\nand pops out of 1st with hard accel. The shop will fix trans and oil \nleak. They sold the bike to the 1 and only owner. They want $3495, and\nI am thinking more like $3K. Any opinions out there? Please email me.\nThanks. It would be a nice stable mate to the Beemer. Then I\'ll get\na jap bike and call myself Axis Motors!\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n"Tuba" (Irwin) "I honk therefore I am" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx\nirwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org DoD #0826 (R75/6)\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality\nReply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England\nLines: 77\nNntp-Posting-Host: bangkok\n\nIn article 17570@freenet.carleton.ca, ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) writes:\n>\n>In a previous article, david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) says:\n>\n>>\n>>I don\'t mean to be rude, but I think that you\'ve got hold of the wrong\n>>end of a different stick...\n>>\n>>David\n>\n>I had a look at your posting again and I see what you mean! I was so\n>intent on explaining how Jung thought we could be more moral than God that\n>I overlooked your main line of thought.\n>\n>You seem to be saying that, God being unknowable, His morality is unknowable.\n\nYep, that\'s pretty much it. I\'m not a Jew but I understand that this is the\nJewish way of thinking. However, the Jews believe that the Covenant between\nYHWH and the Patriarchs (Abraham and Moses, in this case) establishes a Moral\nCode to follow for mankind. Even the Jews could not decide where the boundaries\nfall, though.\n\nAs I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all that was\nrequired, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern Judaism) believed that\nthe Torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of\nthe required Morality in all its nuances (->Talmud).\n\nThe essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an interface between\nMan and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does not necessarily indicate\nanything about YHWH outside of that relationship (although one can speculate).\n\n>\n>The first thing that comes to mind is that man is supposed to be created\n>in His image, so there is an argument that we are committed to whatever\n>moral code He follows as part of trying to live up to that image. If we\n>are supposed to live by Christ\'s example, you would be hard pressed to\n>argue that God is a "do what I say, not what I do" kind of guy.\n\nThe trouble with all of this is that we don\'t really know what the "created\nin His image" means. I\'ve heard a number of different opinions on this and\nhave still not come to any conclusion. This rather upsets the Apple Cart if\none wants to base a Life Script on this shaky foundation (to mix metaphors\nunashamedly!) As to living by Christ\'s example, we know very little about\nJesus as a person. We only have his recorded utterances in a set of narratives\nby his followers, and some very small references from comtemporary historians.\nRevelation aside, one can only "know" Christ second-hand or worse.\n\nThis is not an attempt to debunk Christianity (although it may seem that way\ninitially), the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the Bible\nto interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess this is where\nFaith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness.\n\n>\n>Metaphysically, if there are multiple moral codes then there is no\n>Absolute moral code, and I think this is theologically questionable.\n\nNo. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple\nmoral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral\ncode. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child\nmay assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told\nthe child that it is "wrong". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in\nthe pub or bar (where there are no children). The "wrongness" here is if\nthe child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is "inappropriate"\nto swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of\nanimals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that\nhe is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but\nyou get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive\nas absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own.\n\nDavid.\n\n---\nOn religion:\n\n"Oh, where is the sea?", the fishes cried,\nAs they swam its clearness through.\n\n',
'From: rodc@fc.hp.com (Rod Cerkoney)\nSubject: *$G4qxF,fekVH6\nNntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmrc.fc.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard, Fort Collins, CO\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]\nLines: 15\n\n\n\n--\n\n\nRegards,\nRod Cerkoney\n /\\\n______________________________________________ /~~\\\n / \\\n Rod Cerkoney MS 37 email: / \\ \n Hewlett Packard rodc@fc.hp.com /\\ / \\ \n 3404 East Harmony Rd. Hpdesk: / \\/ \\ /\\\n Fort Collins, CO 80525 HP4000/UX / \\ \\ / \\\n_____________________________________________/ \\ \\/ \\__\n',
'From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)\nSubject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio\nLines: 102\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <1993Apr23.184732.1105@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes...\n\n {Description of "External Tank" option for SSF redesign deleted}\n\n>Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea\'s committee in Crystal City,\n>and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors\n>I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter\n>seems more likely.\n\nYo Ken, let\'s keep on-top of things! Both the "External Tank" and\n"Wingless Orbiter" options have been deleted from the SSF redesign\noptions list. Today\'s (4/23) edition of the New York Times reports\nthat O\'Connor told the panel that some redesign proposals have\nbeen dropped, such as using the "giant external fuel tanks used\nin launching space shuttles," and building a "station around\nan existing space shuttle with its wings and tail removed."\n\nCurrently, there are three options being considered, as presented\nto the advisory panel meeting yesterday (and as reported in\ntoday\'s Times).\n\nOption "A" - Low Cost Modular Approach\nThis option is being studied by a team from MSFC. {As an aside,\nthere are SSF redesign teams at MSFC, JSC, and LaRC supporting\nthe SRT (Station Redesign Team) in Crystal City. Both LeRC and\nReston folks are also on-site at these locations, helping the respective\nteams with their redesign activities.} Key features of this\noption are:\n - Uses "Bus-1", a modular bus developed by Lockheed that\'s\n qualified for STS and ELV\'s. The bus provides propulsion, GN&C\n Communications, & Data Management. Lockheed developed this\n for the Air Force.\n - A "Power Station Capability" is obtained in 3 Shuttle Flights.\n SSF Solar arrays are used to provide 20 kW of power. The vehicle\n flies in an "arrow mode" to optimize the microgravity environment.\n Shuttle/Spacelab missions would utilize the vehilce as a power\n source for 30 day missions.\n - Human tended capability (as opposed to the old SSF sexist term\n of man-tended capability) is achieved by the addition of the\n US Common module. This is a modified version of the existing\n SSF Lab module (docking ports are added for the International\n Partners\' labs, taking the place of the nodes on SSF). The\n Shuttle can be docked to the station for 60 day missions.\n The Orbiter would provide crew habitability & EVA capability.\n - International Human Tended. Add the NASDA & ESA modules, and\n add another 20 kW of power\n - Permanent Human Presence Capability. Add a 3rd power module,\n the U.S. habitation module, and an ACRV (Assured Crew Return\n Vehicle).\n\nOption "B" - Space Station Freedom Derived\nThe Option "B" team is based at LaRC, and is lead by Mike Griffin.\nThis option looks alot like the existing SSF design, which we\nhave all come to know and love :)\n\nThis option assumes a lightweight external tank is available for\nuse on all SSF assembly flights (so does option "A"). Also, the \nnumber of flights is computed for a 51.6 inclination orbit,\nfor both options "A" and "B".\n\nThe build-up occurs in six phases:\n - Initial Research Capability reached after 3 flights. Power\n is transferred from the vehicle to the Orbiter/Spacelab, when\n it visits.\n - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist\n language) is achieved after 8 flights. The U.S. Lab is\n deployed, and 1 solar power module provides 20 kW of power.\n - Permanent Human Presence Capability occurs after 10 flights, by\n keeping one Orbiter on-orbit to use as an ACRV (so sometimes\n there would be two Orbiters on-orbit - the ACRV, and the\n second one that comes up for Logistics & Re-supply).\n - A "Two Fault Tolerance Capability" is achieved after 14 flights,\n with the addition of a 2nd power module, another thermal\n control system radiator, and more propulsion modules.\n - After 20 flights, the Internationals are on-board. More power,\n the Habitation module, and an ACRV are added to finish the\n assembly in 24 flights.\n\nMost of the systems currently on SSF are used as-is in this option, \nwith the exception of the data management system, which has major\nchanges.\n\nOption C - Single Core Launch Station.\nThis is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter\ncylinder that\'s 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on\nthe backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a \nregular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket\nmotors, and launch the can. Some key features are:\n - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout\n - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels\n - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against\n micrometeroid & orbital debris)\n - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end)\n - 7 berthing ports\n - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet\n (twice the volume of skylab).\n - 7 floors, center passageway between floors\n - 10 kW of housekeeping power\n - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal\n loops, dual environmental control & life support system)\n - increased crew time for utilization\n - 1 micro-g thru out the core module\n',
"From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee)\nSubject: RE: == MOVING SALE ===\nSummary: RE: === MOVING SALE ===\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 44\nNntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nReduced Prices! \nI have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved\nalready)\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tOffer:\n1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum)\t\n \tpurchased for $32, \t\t\t\t\t $12\n\n2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM/FM\n5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo \nTape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound. \nBut, I bet it's fixable.\n\tpurchased for $80\t\t\t\t\t $25\n\n3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification\nMade in Japan, includes case and accessories\n\tpurchased for $50\t\t\t\t\t $20\n\n4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your \nhead under/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons.\n(Don't ask me why my bro had it)\n\tpurchased for $60\t\t\t\t $24\n\n5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never \nused\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t $10\n\n6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds \nand a cookbook, 5 years old\t\t\t\t\t $10\n\tpurchased for $50\n\n8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle\n525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new.\t\t $20\n\n9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron.\nvery new.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t $10\n\n\nAny questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously\nAnd always, S+H are not included, so please consider this.\n\nAnd lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tThanks,\n\t\t\t\t\t\tJohn\n",
'From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\nLines: 22\n\nkmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n> ( I am almost sure that Zyklon-B is immediate and painless method of \n> death. If not, insert soem other form. )\n> \n> And, ethnic and minority groups have been killed, mutilated and \n> exterminated through out history, so I guess it was not unusual.\n> \n> So, you would agree that the holocost would be allowed under the US \n> Constitution? [ in so far, the punishment. I doubt they recieved what would \n> be considered a "fair" trial by US standards.\n\nDon\'t be so sure. Look what happened to Japanese citizens in the US during\nWorld War II. If you\'re prepared to say "Let\'s round these people up and\nstick them in a concentration camp without trial", it\'s only a short step to\ngassing them without trial. After all, it seems that the Nazis originally\nonly intended to imprison the Jews; the Final Solution was dreamt up partly\nbecause they couldn\'t afford to run the camps because of the devastation\ncaused by Goering\'s Total War. Those who weren\'t gassed generally died of\nmalnutrition or disease.\n\n\nmathew\n',
'From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)\nSubject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <prestonm.735400848@cs.man.ac.uk> prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin \nPreston) writes:\n> Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a\n> good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app.\n\nI certainly do use it whenever I have to do TIFF, and it usually works\nvery well. That\'s not my point. I\'m >philosophically< opposed to it\nbecause of its complexity.\n\nThis complexity has led to some programs\' poor TIFF writers making\nsome very bizarre files, other programs\' inability to load TIFF\nimages (though they\'ll save them, of course), and a general\ninability to interchange images between different environments\ndespite the fact they all think they understand TIFF.\n\nAs the saying goes, "It\'s not me I\'m worried about- it\'s all the\n>other< assholes out there!" I\'ve had big trouble with misuse and\nabuse of TIFF over the years, and I chalk it all up to the immense (and\nunnecessary) complexity of the format.\n\nIn the words of the TIFF 5.0 spec, Appendix G, page G-1 (capitalized\nemphasis mine):\n\n"The only problem with this sort of success is that TIFF was designed\nto be powerful and flexible, at the expense of simplicity. It takes a\nfair amount of effort to handle all the options currently defined in\nthis specification (PROBABLY NO APPLICATION DOES A COMPLETE JOB),\nand that is currently the only way you can be >sure< that you will be\nable to import any TIFF image, since there are so many\nimage-generating applications out there now."\n\n\nIf a program (or worse all applications) can\'t read >every< TIFF\nimage, that means there are some it won\'t- some that I might have to\ndeal with. Why would I want my images to be trapped in that format? I\ndon\'t and neither should anyone who agrees with my reasoning- not\nthat anyone does, of course! :-)\n\nab\n',
'From: CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker)\nSubject: Insurance Rates on Performance Cars SUMMARY\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 244\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu\nX-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2\n\n I recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single, male\ndrivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars. Here\'s a summary of\nthe replies I received.\n \n \n \n \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n \nI\'m not under 25 anymore (but is 27 close enough).\n \n1992 Dodge Stealth RT/Twin Turbo (300hp model).\nNo tickets, no accidents, own a house, have taken defensive driving 1,\nairbag, abs, security alarm, single.\n \n$1500/year $500 decut. State Farm Insurance (this includes the additional $100\nfor the $1,000,000 umbrella policy over my car and house) The base\npolicy is the standard $100,000 - $100,000 - $300,000 policy required in DE.\n \nAfter 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5% less.\n \nI bought the car in September 1992. The company I was with (never had\nand accident or ticket in 11 years) quoted me $2,500.\n \nHope this helps.\n \nSteve Flynn\nUniversity of Delaware\n======================================================================== 45\n \n Kevin:\n \n (Hope I remembered your name correctly)...\n \n You asked about insurance for performance cars. Well, last year\n I was in a similar situation before I bought my car, and made the\n same inquiry as you.\n \n Age: 24 (then and now)\n Car: 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD\n Driving Record: Clean\n State: Illinois\n Cost: $820/6 mos.\n \n I turn 25 in May and the insurance goes down to $520/6 mos.\n Also, I\'m single and that incurs a higher rate with my company.\n \n I\'ve got a couple other friends w/ AWDs and they pay more\n than I do (different ins. companies also), so maybe I\'m just lucky.\n \n Hope the info helps.\n \n Dan\n [dans@jdc.gss.mot.com]\n Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group\n \n======================================================================== 38\n USA\nCc:\n \nI\'m 23; live in Norman, Oklahoma; drive an \'89 Thunderbird SC; have\nnever made a claim against my insurance (though I have been hit\nseveral times by negligent drivers who couldn\'t see stop signs or\nwere fiddling with their radios); and I have had three moving violations\nin the last 18 months (one for going 85 in a 55; one for "failure to\nclear an intersection" (I still say the damn light was yellow); and\none for going 35 in a 25 (which didn\'t go on my record)). My rates\nfrom State Farm (with a passive restraint deduction) on liability,\n$500 deductible comprehensive, and $500 deductible collision are\nroughly $1300/year. (I was paying just over $1100/year for a \'92 Escort LX.)\n \n\t\t\t\tJames\n \nJames P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center\nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu\nDISCLAIMER: I\'m not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...\'89 T-Bird SC\n "It\'s a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has\n\tand all he\'s ever gonna have."\n\t\t\t--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"\n======================================================================== 61\n \nI am beyond the "under 25" age group, but I have an experience a few\nyears ago that might be interesting to you. I owned a 1985 Toyota Celica\nGT. I decided to buy myself a gift - a more exotic car. Front runners\nincluded the Toyota Supra Turbo and the Porsche 924 (1987 model years).\nI narrowed it down to those two. I liked the simplicity and handling\n(and snob appeal, too) of driving a Porsche. The Supra Turbo was less\nmoney and had more features and performance - almost a personal luxury\ncar. It had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924.\nI was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924, but i\ndecided to stop by my insurance agent\'s office on the way. I asked\nabout what would happen to my rate with either car.\n \n"If you buy the Supra, your rate classification will be the same as\nthe Celica (the \'85 Celica was considered a subcompact and for that\nyear was rated as one of the safest cars), with a slight increase because\nthe car will be 2 years newer. Our lower-risk division will continue\nto handle your account.\n \n"If you buy the Porsche 924, we\'ll have to change you to the standard\n[higher] rate company and your rate will double. And if you go with\na 944, it\'s another story again - we\'ll cover the rest of this year,\nbut cancel you after that."\n \n"But the Supra is much faster than the 924, and the 924 is actually\nfaster than the [standard] 944. That doens\'t make sense."\n \n That\'s what the book says. We don\'t insure Corvettes, either. For\nsome reason, the underwriters consider Supras - and their drivers -\nas very traditional and conservative."\n \nI eventually went with the Supra for a number of reasons. The Porsche\ndealer had a nice salesman to get me interested, but a tough high-pressure\nguy in the back room. At equal monthly payments, it would have taken\na year longer to pay for the Porsche, plus its higher insurance. I\nconcluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto\ntheft.\n \n /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\\| |\\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone\'s entitled to MY opinion.\n / | |/ ||\\|\\ \\_|\\/|_|/|)[_|\\\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil\n========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======\n \n \n \n \n \n======================================================================== 32\n \nI live in Idaho. When I was <26 many years ago (10 years) I bought a Trans\nAm (new). Insurance was about $1300/year. When I turned 26, it immediately\ndropped to $460/year. I had not had any accidents before or after, this was\nstrictly an age change. That same rate stayed pretty much the same until I\nsold the car 2 years ago. My F-150 pickup is about $80/year less.\n \nThe real amazing thing is that when I woke up at age 25, I felt SO MUCH MORE\nRESPONSIBLE than I was before... :-)\n \nWes\n \n======================================================================== 21\n \n \nFor your information:\nCalifornia\nMale, single, under 25 , No moving violation\nAlfa Spider\n =======> $2000 / year\n \nWhat a bargain!!!\n======================================================================== 28\n \nLet\'s see, I\'m 24, single, male, clean driving record. I have a 92 VW COrrado\nVR6. I live in San Jose, California. I pay ~1500$ a year through Allstate. A\ngood deal if you ask me.\n \nI was thinking about getting a Talon, but I think the insurance is higher\nfor a "turbo" sports car vs a V6\n \n-W\n \n======================================================================== 27\n \n1986 Honda CRX Si, clean record, in a small New Mexico town was around $800\nper year, age 24.\n \nNearby city rates were 1.5X-2X higher than where I\'ve got mine insured.\n \n..robert\n--\nRobert Stack / Institute of Transportation Studies, Univ of California-Irvine\n stack@translab.its.uci.edu \'92 Mazda Protege LX\n======================================================================== 37\n1300 per year, 1992 Saturn SC, 21 Years old, State: New Mexico,\nInsurance: State Farm.\n \n \n======================================================================== 64\n \n \nHere is my info:\n \nCar : \'89 Toyota Celica ST\nInsurance Co : Farmer\'s Insurance\nYearly insurance: $2028\nAge : 24\nDate of license : Oct 14, 1992\nResidence : Mountain View, California\nNo moving violations (for now atleast ;-)\n \nHope this helps. Please post a summary if possible.\n \nVijay\n**********************************************************************\nVijay Anisetti\nEmail: anisetti@informix.com Apt: (415)962-0320 Off: (415)926-6547\n======================================================================== 38\nSingle, 24 years old, Eagle Talon Turbo AWD, $1200 (full-cover, reasonable\n liability)\nNo tickets, No violations, No accidents... (knock on wood...)\nMass,\n \n\tOne thing that makes a HUGE difference in MASS is the town you live in.\nI\'m personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance\nof Boston. If I moved to the absolute best it would go down to about\n$1150, if I moved to the worst it would be $2000+..\n \n\tAlso one accident and a couple of tickets, would probably add another $600...\n \n \n\t_RV\n \n \n======================================================================== 43\nI have a 1990 Mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd, am 23 years old and have no\ntickets that went on my record. I live in Illinois just outside of Chicago\nand pay $1560 a year with full coverage at State Farm. I did get a small\ndiscount because of my alarm system($30 a year). I only live 15 miles from\nChicago but if I actually lived in the city the price would be about $2000\na year.\n======================================================================== 41\nI\'m over 25, but in case you\'re interested anyway, I\'m insuring a 93 SHO\nfor $287/6 month. Thats 100k personal+300k total+100k property with\n250 deductible, glass and towing, State Farm.\n \n======================================================================== 39\n \nUnless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5\nyears, I think you are being seriously ripped off. I don\'t have\none of the performance cars you listed, but if your record is\nclean, then you should not be paying over $2K.\n \nDid you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find?\nAlthough rates are supposed to be standardized, I\'ve found that\nmost places I initially call, give me some ridiculously high\nquote and *finaly*, I hit one that is much lower.\n \nAlso, I have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at\nrenewal (no accidents, tickets, car gets older??) to maintain a low\nrate. You always have to be careful when it comes to insurance\ncompanies 8^).\n \nGood luck,\nSerge\n',
'From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()\nSubject: SEEKING THERMOCOUPLE AMPLIFIER CIRCUIT\nReply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet ()\nOrganization: Materials Research Lab\nLines: 17\n\n\n\nI would like to be able to amplify a voltage signal which is\noutput from a thermocouple, preferably by a factor of\n100 or 1000 ---- so that the resulting voltage can be fed\nmore easily into a personal-computer-based ADC data\nacquisition card.\n\nMight anyone be able to point me to references to such\ncircuits? I have seen simple amplifier circuits before, but\nI am not sure how well they work in practice.\n\nIn this case, I\'d like something which will amplify sufficiently\n"nicely" to be used for thermocouples (say, a few degrees\naccuracy or better).\n\nAny pointers would be greatly appreciated!\n',
'From: abarden@tybse1.uucp (Ann Marie Barden)\nSubject: X-Terminal Config. file question\nOrganization: Tybrin Corporation, Shalimar, FL\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 19\n\n QUESTION:\n What is the EXACT entry (parameter and syntax please), in the X-Terminal\nconfiguration file (loaded when the X-Terminal boots), to add another system \nto the TCP/IP access control list? \n\n BACKGROUND:\n I have two unix systems, 1. an AT&T 3B2 running X11R3 and MIT\'s X11R4 and \n2. a Sun SS10 without any X. \n I want to have a window to the Sun and the 3B2 on the NCD X-Terminal at the\nsame time. I can do this if I manually set the Network Parameter TCP/IP\nAccess Control List to off, then login to my telnet session. Not Great! \n I\'ve tried to get "xhost" to work and failed. Either my syntax is wrong\nor the X11R3 implementation is bogus. \n I am trying to edit the NCD configuration file that is loaded when the \nNCD boots. No matter what entry I add or edit, the NCD still boots with\nthe TCP/IP Access Control list containing only the 3B2.\n My manuals are worthless so any help would be most appreciated!! Thanks!\n\nAnn Marie Barden \tabarden@afseo.eglin.af.mil\n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <<Pompous ass\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n[...]\n>>The "`little\' things" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People\n>>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any.\n>That\'s not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather\n>pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler\n>arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used\n>in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest \n>of the population.\n\nThese don\'t seem like "little things" to me. At least, they are orders\nworse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a "little thing"\nthat will lead to worse things?\n\nkeith\n',
'From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes:\n>>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to\n>>being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains\n>>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A\'s during the\n>>season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C\n>>for the Pens.\n>\n\nI think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he\ngot traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn\'t Rick Vaive the captain of\nthe Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for\nEd Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that\nDarryl Sittler was their captain (he\'d torn the "C" off his\njersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he\nwas traded to the Flyers.\n\nOh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before\nhe was traded wasn\'t he? \n\nGary\n',
'From: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)\nSubject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)\nOrganization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 35\n\nAndy Freeman writes:\n>Joe Doll writes:\n\n)>> "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-\n)>> tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for \n)>> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien-\n)>> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, \n)>> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. \n\n)>> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) \n)>> mailing address.\n>>\n>> I am very interested in your catalog, but E-mail to you bounces.\n>\n>Don\'t bother - it never comes. It\'s a cheap trick for building a\n>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.\n\nI have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this.\nIt does have tons of qool stuff in it. \nMy impression is that they try not to send it out to "browsers". It\nappears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to\nwaste a catalog on you. When you get a catalog there\'s a "VIP Code" you\nhave to give them "to ensure your continued subscription.".\nAnyway, if you want to get in touch with them, the company is\n\nPersonal Computing Tools\n550 Division Street\nCampbell, CA 95008\n(408) 378-8400 \n(They also have fax #\'s and toll free #\'s for ordering and tech support)\n\nPlease note that I am not associated with them in any way. In fact, I\nhave never ordered from them so I can\'t comment on their products or\nservice but the catalog is real and I am sitting here salivating over\nit.\n',
'From: csyphers@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Syphers)\nSubject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu\n\nssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes:\n\n\n>\tI have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode \n>\t(normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode\n>\tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a \n>\tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You\'ll have to \n>\texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n>\tMS Windows world.\n\n>\tThanks.\n\n>\t(Please include this message for reference)\n>\t====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t (919)515-8063 (W)\nThe control box of the Window itself (upper left corner of the window, single\nclick, am I being too simplistic?) has a font option. The 8 X 12 is about the\nbiggest one I can use without the characters turning funky. \n\nHpoe this helps.\n',
'From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine)\nSubject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nKeywords: Quadra SCSI APS\nOrganization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science\nLines: 9\n\nI don\'t know about the specific problem mentioned in your\nmessage, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my\nQ700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge\ndrives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of\nthe loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;\nin fact the only loop that worked was the "Macintosh\nSoftware" loop (whatever that means).\n\n\t--Mark\n',
"From: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley)\nSubject: VOICE INPUT -- vendor information needed\nReply-To: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley)\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 27\n\n\nHello,\n I am looking to add voice input capability to a user interface I am\ndeveloping on an HP730 (UNIX) workstation. I would greatly appreciate \ninformation anyone would care to offer about voice input systems that are \neasily accessible from the UNIX environment. \n\n The names or adresses of applicable vendors, as well as any \nexperiences you have had with specific systems, would be very helpful.\n\n Please respond via email; I will post a summary if there is \nsufficient interest.\n\n\nThanks,\nKen\n\n\nP.S. I have found several impressive systems for IBM PC's, but I would \nlike to avoid the hassle of purchasing and maintaining a separate PC if \nat all possible.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nKen Hinckley (kph2q@virginia.edu)\nUniversity of Virginia \nNeurosurgical Visualization Laboratory\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)\nSubject: Re: What do Nuclear Site\'s Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 42\n\nWayne Alan Martin <wm1h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear\n>Site\'s .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal. \n>> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com\n>> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site\'s Cooling Towers do?\n>> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT\n>> \n>> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>\n>> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote:\n>> >I really don\'t know where to post this question so I figured that\n>> >this board would be most appropriate.\n>> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\n>> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\n>> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\n>> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they\'re called\n>> >\'Cooling Towers\' but what the heck do they cool?\n>Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always\n>see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At\n>nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas\n>fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot\n>water. As I recall the water isn\'t as hot (thermodynamically) in many\n>fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive\n>contamination.\n\n Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual \nboiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There\'s a gripe in the industry\nthat nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it\'s\nmore important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system\nas cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. \n\n Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they\nusually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the\nway down to ambient. Some plants do cool the condensers with water,\nrather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about "thermal \npollution" de-icing a river, said, "Up here, we view heat as a resource". \n\n Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers. The water used is \npurified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when\nthe water boils. Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than \ncooling it, so the boiler water is recycled.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tJohn Nagle\n',
"From: r4938585@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (Doug Roberts)\nSubject: Re: NL vs. AL?\nOrganization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson\nLines: 2\nNNTP-Posting-Host: joplin.biosci.arizona.edu\nKeywords: Game length\n\nDoug Roberts - Ken Hill for NL MVP!!\n\t Let's go 'Spos\n",
'From: jonh@david.wheaton.edu (Jonathan Hayward)\nSubject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism\nOrganization: Wheaton College, IL\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <Apr.5.23.31.36.1993.23919@athos.rutgers.edu> by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes:\n>I\'m new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already,\n>but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the\n>environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into\n>pantheism?\n\nYes.\n\n(I am adamantly an environmentalist. I will not use styrofoam table service.\nPlease keep that in mind as you read this post - I do not wish to attack\nenvironmentalism)\n\nA half truth is at least as dangerous as a complete lie. A complete lie will\nrarely be readily accepted, while a half truth (the lie subtly hidden) is more\npowerfully offered by one who masquerades as an angel of light.\n\nSatan has (for some people) loosened the grip on treating the earth as something\nother than God\'s intricate handiwork, something other than that on which the\nhealth of future generations is based. It is being treated with respect. You\nthink he\'s going to happily leave it at that? No. When one error is rejected,\nit is his style to push people to the opposite error. Therefore the earth is\nnot God\'s intricate handiwork, not because it is rubbish, but because it is\nGod. Mother earth is the one you are to primarily love and serve.\n\nI see two facets of a response to it:\n\n1: Care for the environment. Treat it with proper respect, both because it is\n God\'s intricate handiwork and the health of future generation, and because\n showing the facet of one who is disregardful of such things does not\n constitute what the Apostle Paul called "becoming all things to all men so\n that by all possible means I might save some."\n\n Don\'t say "Forget the environment, I\'ve got important things to spend my time\n on." - putting your foot in your mouth in this manner will destroy your\n credibility in expressing the things that _are_ more important.\n\n2: Show that it is not the ultimate entity, that it is creature and not\n creator. Show that its beauty and glory points to a greater beauty and\n glory. Show that it is not the ultimate tapestry, but one of many cords\n woven in the infinite tapestry.\n\n################################################################################\n# "God, give me mountains # "But the greatest # Jonathan Hayward #\n# to climb and the # of these is love." # Jonathan_Hayward@wheaton.edu #\n# strength for climbing." # I Corinthians 13:13 # jhayward@imsa.edu #\n################################################################################\n',
'From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: Is car saftey important?\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\ntcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes:\n>Is it only me, or is\n>safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car?\n\nIt depends on your priorities. A lot of people put higher priorities\non gas mileage and cost than on safety, buying "unsafe" econoboxes\ninstead of Volvos. I personally take a middle ground -- the only\nthing I really look for is a three-point seatbelt and 5+mph bumpers.\nI figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren\'t common enough\nfor me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are\nlots of low-speed collisions that do worry me.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n',
"From: mrh@iastate.edu (Michael R Hartman)\nSubject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen?\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <C5t7qG.9IJ@rice.edu> xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) writes:\n>> I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend.\n>\n>> I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo.\n>>\n>I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels\n>were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the \n>cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.)\n>\n>If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio \n>originally costs, or even sold at all,\n>then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great.\n>\n>I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that \n>removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were\n>sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply.\n>-- \n\nThe front covers should be available from Sony. Check with a local car\nstereo shop. You will probably (definitely) have to provide the units \nserial number and hopefully you had registered the warranty card. I \ndon't know the cost, but replacements have to be available to people\nwho damage the face cover, so it stands to reason that it can be replaced.\n\nAs to deterring theft:\n\nWhen I worked for a stereo shop, we referred the customer to a Sony 800\nnumber. We would not sell the face, nor did we have them available. Most\npeople who came in asking for the face cover (or a pullout sleave for that\nmatter) would look very disheartened to find that they acquired a deck\nthey couldn't use. If theft occurs with these decks, notify Sony. Serial\nnumbers do catch theives.\n\nJust a thought,\nMichael\n\n",
"Subject: Teenage acne\nFrom: pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill)\nOrganization: Actrix Networks\nLines: 26\n\n\nMy 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose. I\nbought him Clearasil face wash and ointment. I think that is probably\nenough, along with the usual good diet. However, he is on at me to\nget some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a\ndoctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the\nchemist's counter. I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say\neither his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil\nis OK. I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious. His\nfather was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate\ninto something disfiguring. But I know kids are senstitive about\ntheir appearance. I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd\nmalady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from\nacne treatment. I want to help - but with appropriate treatment.\n\nMy son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp. Sort\nof teenage cradle cap. Any pointers/advice on this? We have tried a\ncouple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to\nmake the condition worse, not better.\n\nShall I bury the kid till he's 21 :)\n\n-- \n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n The floggings will continue until morale improves \n pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand \n",
'From: xandor@unixg.ubc.ca (John Gilbert )\nSubject: Re: Exploding TV!\nOrganization: The University of British Columbia\nLines: 4\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\n Just as a not of possible interest on this subject ..\nIt is my understanding that exploding televisions were a major cause of\ndomestic accidents in the Soviet Union in past years!\n \n',
"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 57\n\n\nIn article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>\n>>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within\n>>>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the\n>>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab\n>>>land ?\n>\n>> Huh? A war was started when several armies invaded Israel,\n>>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Most Jews wanted to live in\n>>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship.\n>\n>It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely\n>predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril\n>well before the Arab invasion. As I have said elsewhere Lt Col Lorch has\n>said that Hagana forces were fighting well before the Arabs invaded as in\n>months before. As for Jews wanting to live in peace that to is entirely\n>arguable. I think it is easy enough to show that the Labour party leadership\n>had no such intention at all. As for the Arabs who 'stayed' don't you mean\n>those who were not expelled? Even some of those who did 'stay' were not\n>granted citizenship but expelled after the fighting had stopped anyway.\n>\n>Joseph Askew\n>\n\nHow do you define war? Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages\ncount as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them?\nJanuary, 1948: Arab Liberation Army attacks Kfar Szold\n 1000 men attack Kfar Etzion, 14 miles south of Jerusalem,\n after cutting off the supply lines to it.\nAttacks on Yehiam (Western Galilee) and kibbutz Tirat Tzvi.\nBy Mid-March, The Jewish settlements in the Negev had been cut off from\n land links with the rest of the Jewish population.\n The Etzion group of villiages, near Hebron, had been cut off,\n while 42 members of a convoy trying to supply Yehiam were\n slaughtered, cutting off the villiage.\nJerusalem was under seige, being cut off from its supply route from\n Tel Aviv (the bombed out supply trucks have been left on the side\n of that road to this day in memoriam). By this time, 1200 Jews \n had been killed.\n\nOf course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking.\nJust like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets\nagainst Northern israel. Where does uprising end and war begin?\nWill it still be 'Intifadah' when the PLO brings in tanks?\n\n\n>-- \n>Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,\n>jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.\n>Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,\n>Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.\n\n\nAmir\n",
'From: joec@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com ( Joe Cipale)\nSubject: Re: Clayton Need not Retract\nOrganization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <Apr.9.08.39.25.1993.15639@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:\n>civilized society. The _ONLY_ way a homosexual can maintain even a\n>modicum of respectability is by remaining in the closet.\n>-- \n> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis\n> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu\n> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis\n> as this would hold such views??? |\n\nOnce again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted\nand for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power.\n\nJoe Cipale\n',
'From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes:\n>My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York\n>City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks\n>really sharp.\n\nFunny you should mention this; one time on HNIC Don Cherry pointed out\nVanbiesbrouck\'s mask. He _hated_ it. I think he said something to the effect\nof:\n"You see? He was great last year; now he goes out and gets that dopey mask \nand he can\'t stop a beachball!"\n\nYou may or may not take Cherry seriously at all, but I cracked up when I heard\nit.\n\nI think Ed Belfour has the current best mask in the NHL btw. I also like\nMoog\'s, and I\'ll give Fuhr\'s new one an honourable mention, although I haven\'t\nseen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!). What\'s also neat is\nChevaldae\'s in Detroit; they call him "Chevy" so he has two checkered flags\npainted at the top as in an auto race.\n\n\n',
'From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nOrganization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem\nLines: 19\n\nOh boy, a little K-bike versus /2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for\nthe both of you!\n\nI do hope that the "dump dempster" campaign works however.\nI think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long\nfor anything to be done (though obviously, it ain\'t over yet)\nOn the other hand, \nI\'m not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running.\nThrowing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in\nto the club. You wouldn\'t get anything, but you don\'t get anything now.\n\nThe magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has\nlacked any sort of panache it may have had. \n\nAh, but what would I know? I own a /6 AND a K-bike\n\n\nstatic\nMOA 20297\n',
'From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nOrganization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1r466c$an3@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:\n>Agreed. Remember, I don\'t even think of Clipper as encryption in any real \n>sense--if I did, I\'d probably be a lot more annoyed about it.\n\nI agree with this assessment. Furthermore, its promotion as\nproviding greater protection than bare voice is quite true, as far\nas it goes. However, the only way for it to fulfill its stated goal\nof letting LE wiretap "terrorists and drug dealers" is to restrict\nstronger techniques. \n\nWiretap targets presently use strong encryption, weak encryption, or\n(the vast majority) no encryption. The latter two classes can be\ntapped. With weak encryption in every phone, the no-encryption\nclass is merged into the weak-encryption class. Will the\nintroduction of Clipper cause targets presently enjoying strong\nprivacy to give up on it? that is, to rely for privacy on a system\nexpressly designed to deny it to people like them? I doubt it. The\nmere introduction of this scheme will give the government *nothing*.\n\nThe stated goal of preventing the degradation of wiretapping\ncapabilities can be fulfilled by restriction of domestic\ncryptography, and only by this restriction. "Clipper" appears to be\nno more than a sop, given to the public to mute any complaints. We\nwould find this a grossly inadequate tradeoff, but I fear the public\nat large will not care. I hate to even mention gun control, but\nmost people seem to think that an `assault weapon\' (as the NYT uses\nthe word) is some sort of automatic weapon, .50 caliber maybe. Who\nwants to have such a thing legal? Well, people know even less about\ncryptology; I suspect that strong cryptography could easily be\nlabeled "too much secrecy for law-abiding citizens to need".\n\n>That\'s not for Clinton (or anyone under him) to say, though. Only the \n>federal and supreme courts can say anything about the constitutionality.\n>Anything the administration or any governmental agency says is opinion at \n>best.\n\nWhat they say is opinion, but what they do is what matters, and will\ncontinue unless overturned. And the courts are reluctant to annul\nlaw or regulation, going to some length to decide cases on other\ngrounds. Furthermore, Congress can get away with quite a bit. They\ncould levy a burdensome tax; this would place enforcement in the\nhands of the BATF, who as we\'ve seen you really don\'t want on your\ncase. They could invoke the Commerce Clause; this seems most\nlikely. This clause will get you anywhere these days. The 18th was\nrequired because the Supreme Court ruled a prohibitory statute\nunconstitutional. In 1970 Congress prohibited many drugs, with a\ntextual nod to the Commerce Clause. The Controlled Substances\nAct of 1970 still stands. I think the government could get away\nwith it.\n\n>Amanda Walker\n\n\t PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail\n Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu\n\n\n',
'From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,\n>fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote:\n>> \n>> Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ\n>> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA\n>> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it\n>> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking\n>> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess\n>> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ? YOURS.\n>\n>BZZZT! If it is the other driver\'s fault, your insurance co pays you, less\n>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal\'s company\n>(there\'s a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the\n>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal\'s company right off - just\n>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check\n>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife\'s cage).\n\n\tThe word is "subrogation." Seems to me, if you\'re willing to wait\nfor the money from scumbag\'s insurance, that you save having to pay the\ndeductible. However, if scumbag\'s insurance is Scum insurance, then you may\nhave to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.\'s pack of rabid, large-\nfanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance\'s lawyers.\n\n\tSad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee\'s Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n',
'From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)\nSubject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group\nLines: 104\n\n/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) / 10:34 am Apr 14, 1993 /\n\nThis isn\'t rec.guns, so maybe this is getting a bet technical, but I\ncan\'t resist....\n\n> - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull\n> the trigger again.\n\nSometimes..... Depends on WHY it misfired....\n\n> - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first,\n> but will fire merely by pulling the trigger.\n\nI can\'t imagine doing much combat type shooting single action.....\n\n> - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again\n> to rotate to the next round.\n\nAssuming the cylinder WILL rotate....\n\n> - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the\n> hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an\n> easy motion, even one handed.\n\nNever hurts to err on the side of safety, but if you\'ve got one of those\n\'new fangled\' hammer blocks or transfer bar safeties, it\'s unnecessarily\nredundant. I\'d rather have the extra round.\n\n> - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines\n> on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users.\n\nQuite true. Speed loaders are a little less convenient to pack around\nthan magazines though.\n\n> - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell\n> first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often\n> lost as you realize "hey, it\'s jammed!" before starting to do anything\n> about clearing it.\n\nTrue, but this is a training function.\n\n> - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round\n> and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the\n> chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider\n> this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed\n> of employment as a revolver.\n\nCocked and locked for single actions or hammer down on double actions\nare the only carry modes that make sense... The 80 series Colt\'s for\nexample are quite safe to carry this way.\n\n> - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of\n> operation of many of them requires more training.\n\nAgreed.\n\nNow that I\'ve shot off my mouth a bit, let me back some of this up. It\nis true that a simple misfire on a revolver doesn\'t cost you much. On\nthe other hand, I\'ve had all sorts of interesting things happen over the\nyears. For example, I\'ve had FACTORY ammunition that has had high\nprimers. A high primer will tie your revolver up somewhere from seconds\nto minutes while you try to pound the action open to clear the problem.\nAn auto? Jack the slide and continue.\n\nI\'ve had bullets come out of the case, keeping the cylinder from\nturning, see clearing paragraph above. About the WORST that can happen\nwith a semi auto is a double feed. This can be cleared in seconds.\n\nMost revolvers are more \'fragile\' then semi auto\'s. There are all sorts\nof close tolerance parts and fitting involved. Dropping the gun, or a\nblow to the gun or all sorts of things can take it out of action. Many\nof the problems that can be cured on the spot with a (quality) semi auto\ntake a gun smith for a revolver. In short a revolver MAY be less likely\nto malfunction, but as a rule when it does, you\'re out of the fight.\nThe majority of malfunctions that occur with semi autos does not fall\ninto that category.\n\nVincint makes many good points in this post, but leaves off the opposing\nview of most of them. A real good starting place is Ayoob\'s "The Semi\nAuto Pistol for Police and Self Defense."\n\nIn general, I\'d agree, the revolver is an excellent first gun and self\ndefense weapon for somebody that does not have the time, and inclination\nthat is necessary for the training and practice needed to use a semi\nauto effectively as a self defense arm.\n\nMost cops are notoriously indifferent to firearms. If the department\nisn\'t going to train them, they aren\'t going to take the time on their\nown. There is no doubt that training is an issue. The amount of\ntraining required for effective use of a semi auto is probably several\ntimes that of a revolver. Many cops don\'t bother.\n\nFor myself, I\'d hate to be limited to one or the other. I\'d rather pick\nwhat fits better with my personal inclination, what I\'m wearing that day\nand so on. Like the Moderator on rec.guns says, buy em all!\n\nThat said, I have to admit that often my advice to people thinking of\nbuying their first defense arm is (right after taking a class) get a\nRuger or Smith revolver.... (Sorry Colt fans. Colt revolvers are ok\ntoo!)\n\nIf this post had gone the other way, I\'d be arguing for revolvers. :-)\n\nRick.\n',
'From: (Sean Garrison)\nSubject: Re: Bonilla\nNntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu\nOrganization: Yale Univeristy\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.213553.2181@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,\nkrueger@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (theodore r krueger) wrote:\n \n> Isn\'t it funny that a white person calls comeone a "nigger" and gets banned \n> for a year, but a black person calls someone a "faggot" and there is no \n> consequence?\n\n> Ted\n\n\nTed, you\'re missing a vital point. As Roger Lustig pointed out in a\nprevious response, the reason why Schott was banned from baseball was\nbecause she had been known to call and think in a racially biased manner on\na constant basis. Such thoughts affected her hiring practices. Bonilla,\non the other hand, was found to have mentioned this one word a single time.\n If he had been known to go around, criticizing homosexuals, it would be a\ndifferent story. Furthermore, he is merely an athlete. He doesn\'t have to\nhire anyone as Schott had to do. Dave Pallone, the former NL umpire who is\nan admitted homosexual, has decided to assist in a protest before a Mets\ngame at Shea. He, like you, thinks that Bonilla should be suspended from\nbaseball. Pallone is hoping for a year\'s suspension. In my opinion,\nthat\'s downright ludicrous. As Howie Rose on WFAN said, if you start\nsuspending athletes who have mentioned a derogatory word even a single time\nunder whatever conditions, then you\'d probably have enough people remaining\nto play a three-on-three game. Now, honestly, if you truly analyze the\ndifferences between the two cases that you bring up in your article, I\nwould think that you\'d reconsider your thoughts.\n\n\n -Sean\n\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n "Behind the bag!"\n - Vin Scully\n*******************************************************************************\n',
"From: root@ncube.com (Operator)\nSubject: Re: Which fax modem is the best?\nNntp-Posting-Host: admin\nReply-To: root@ncube.com\nOrganization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA\nLines: 19\n\nWell I am using The Home Office. I bought it for arounde $350.\nIt does 14.4. I don't know if it's for data or fax. But the\nfeature I use is the Voic Mail Box, which I really have liked.\n\n---\n\n\n\n ^~\n @ * *\n Captain Zod... _|/_ /\n zod@ncube.com |-|-|/\n 0 /| 0\n / |\n \\=======&==\\===\n \\===========&===\n\n\n\n",
"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nWestern Digital 1-800-832-4778.....Sam\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n",
"From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)\nSubject: Brewer bullpen rocked again...\nOrganization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFor the second straight game, California scored a ton of late runs to crush\nthe Brewhas. It was six runs in the 8th for a 12-5 win Monday and five in\nthe 8th and six in the 9th for a 12-2 win yesterday. Jamie Navarro pitched\nseven strong innings, but Orosco, Austin, Manzanillo and Lloyd all took part\nin the mockery of a bullpen yesterday. How's this for numbers? Maldanado has\npitched three scoreless innings and Navarro's ERA is 0.75. The next lowest\non the staff is Wegman at 5.14. Ouch!\n\nIt doesn't look much better for the hitters. Hamilton is batting .481, while\nThon is hitting .458 and has seven RBI. The next highest is three. The next\nbest hitter is Jaha at .267 and then Vaughn, who has the team's only HR, at\n.238. Another ouch. Looking at the stats, it's not hard to see why the team\nis 2-5. In fact, 2-5 doesn't sound bad when you're averaging three runs/game\nand giving up 6.6/game. \n\nStill, it's early and things will undoubtedly get better. The offense should\ncome around, but the bullpen is a major worry. Fetters, Plesac and Austin gave\nthe Brewers great middle relief last year. Lloyd, Maldanado, Manzanillo, \nFetters, Austin and Orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be\nsuccessful. Milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either\nheld small leads or kept small deficits in place. The starters will be okay,\nthe defense will be alright and the hitting will come around, but the bullpen\nis a big question mark.\n\nIn other news, Nilsson and Doran were reactivated yesterday, while William\nSuero was sent down and Tim McIntosh was picked up by Montreal. Today's game\nwith California was cancelled.\n\n--salty\n\n",
"From: cmeyer@bloch.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: DSO, Stanford University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 27\n\nMichael Chen (mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:\n\n: In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing. Why?\n: Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does\n: Toronto have?\n\nWell, I agree that Viola is a better signing. However, why does\neveryone say that you want lefthanded starters? I understand lefthanded\nspot relievers, even though they usually face more righthanded batters\nthan lefthanded batters. I just don't understand why people insist\non lefthanded starters, unless there is a park effect (e.g., Yankee Stadium).\nMost batters in MLB are righthanded, so righthanded starters will have\nthe platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters.\nI guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams\nmay be more vulnerable to LHP's than RHP's. However, this is probably\nonly a factor in the postseason, because teams seldom juggle their starters\nfor this reason during the regular season.\n\nI think you just want the best starters you can get, regardless of\nwhether they are lefties or righties. Lefthanded starters tend to have\nhigher ERA's than righthanded starters, precisely because managers\ngo out of their way to start inferior lefties (or perhaps because of\nthe platoon advantage).\n\nAm I missing something here?\n\n--Craig\n",
"From: Robert Everett Brunskill <rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL\nOrganization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu>\n\nOf course, if you want to check the honesty of your dealler, take it in\nknowing what's wrong, and ask them to tell you. :)\n\nOf course he'll probably know right a way, then charge you a $20 service\nfee. :)\n\nRob\n",
'From: vng@iscs.nus.sg\nSubject: Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator\nReply-To: VNG@ISCS.NUS.SG\nOrganization: Dept of Info Sys and Comp Sci, National University of Singapore, SINGAPORE\nLines: 6\n\nIs there a Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator or a comms toolbox kit available on the\nnet somewhere?\n\nThanks.\n\nVince\n',
"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)\nSubject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu\nSummary: Bike movies\nKeywords: movies\n\nIn article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:\n\n>Folks,\n\n>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.\n\n>Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial\n>capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,\n>Raising Arizona, etc). \n>Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.\n>(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)\n\nEasy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD \nwanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday \n(Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve \nMcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers). I \nthink the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. \n ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----\n\n Stolen Taglines...\n * God is real, unless declared integer. *\n * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *\n * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *\n * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *\n * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *\n",
'From: tg@cs.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos)\nSubject: 12V to 3V and 48V at 3A\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto\nDistribution: na\nLines: 11\n\nThe subject line says it all. I\'m working on a project\nthat will use a car battery. I need to pull off 3V and possibly\n48V at 3A.\n\nI have several ideas, but I\'d prefer to benefit from all you\nbrilliant people :-)\n-- \n=================\n"Conquest is easy, control is not"\t| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics\n[Star Trek TOS] \t\t\t| tg@utstat.toronto.edu\nUSL forgot this simple history lesson\n',
'From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Golden & Space ages\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 17\n\nPat sez;\n>Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years\n>the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years,\n>reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic,\n>swashbuckling daredevils, "those daring young men in their flying\n>machines". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely\n>occurence, and the environment blew.\n\nYeah, but a windscreen cut down most of it. Canopies ended it completely.\n\nOf course, the environment in space continues to suck :-)\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: johnc@crsa.bu.edu (John Collins)\nSubject: Problem with MIT-SHM\nOrganization: Boston University\nLines: 27\n\nI am trying to write an image display program that uses\nthe MIT shared memory extension. The shared memory segment\ngets allocated and attached to the process with no problem.\nBut the program crashes at the first call to XShmPutImage,\nwith the following message:\n\nX Error of failed request: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)\n Major opcode of failed request: 133 (MIT-SHM)\n Minor opcode of failed request: 3 (X_ShmPutImage)\n Segment id in failed request 0x0\n Serial number of failed request: 741\n Current serial number in output stream: 742\n\nLike I said, I did error checking on all the calls to shmget\nand shmat that are necessary to create the shared memory\nsegment, as well as checking XShmAttach. There are no\nproblems.\n\nIf anybody has had the same problem or has used MIT-SHM without\nhaving the same problem, please let me know.\n\nBy the way, I am running OpenWindows 3.0 on a Sun Sparc2.\n\nThanks in advance--\nJohn C.\n\n\n',
"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 27\n\nI have been following this thread on talk.religion,\nsoc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest. I am amazed at\nthe different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present. \n\nOne question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered\nfrom Scripture. Maybe clh may wish to provide the first response.\n\nThere is a lot of talk about the Sabbath of the TC being ceremonial. \nAnswer this:\n\nSince the TC commandments is one law with ten parts on what biblical\nbasis have you decided that only the Sabbath portion is ceremonial?\nOR You say that the seventh-day is the Sabbath but not applicable to\nGentile Christians. Does that mean the Sabbath commandment has been\nannulled? References please.\n\nIf God did not intend His requirements on the Jews to be applicable to\nGentile Christians why did He make it plain that the Gentiles were now\ngrafted into the commonwealth of Israel?\n\nDarius\n\n[Acts 15, Rom 14:5, Col 2:16, Gal 4:10. I believe we've gotten into\na loop at this point. This is one of those classic situations where\nboth sides think they have clear Scriptural support, and there's no\nobvious argument that is going to change anybody's mind. I don't think\nwe're going anything but repeating ourselves. --clh]\n",
'From: yuting@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Eugene Y. Kuo)\nSubject: Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver?\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 8\n\nHi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200\nprinter driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with\nmy BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.\n\nThanks very much, please email.\n\n\n\n',
'From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nSubject: Re: Patient-Physician Diplomacy\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19422\nReply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <C4Hyou.1Iz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:\n>In article <188@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:\n>\n>>Ditto. Disease is a great leveling experience, however. Some people\n>>are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world\n>>does not buy one health. Everyone looks the same when they die.\n>\n>If money does not buy one health, why are we talking about paying\n>for medical expenses for those not currently "adequately covered"?\n\nHerman, I would think you of all people would/could distinguish\nbetween "health" and "treatment of disease." All the prevention\nmedicine people preach this all the time. You cannot buy health.\nYou can buy treatment of disease, assuming you are lucky enough\nto have a disease which can be treated. A rich person with a\nterminal disease is a bit out of luck. There is no such thing\nas "adequately covered" and there never will be. \n\nAnd for what it\'s worth, I\'ll be the first to admit that all my\npatients die.\n\n-km\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Day and night Armenians were rounding up male inhabitants...\nArticle-I.D.: zuma.9304052020\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 71\n\nIn article <734048492@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes:\n\n>\t Sure it joined you by ballot in 1918! And I suppose that\n>\t Northern Bukovina (where I was born), which has always had\n\nThat\'s why zoologists refer to you as a \'fecal shield\'. Colonel Semen \nM. Budienny, a subsequent Soviet military fame, said about the \nArmenian genocide of 2.5 million defenseless Turkish and Kurdish \nwomen, children and elderly people during his visit to Anatolia \nin June 1919 that\n\n"the Armenians had become troublemakers, their Hinchakist\n and Dashnakist parties were opportunist, serving as lackeys\n of whatever power happened to be ascendent."\n\nIn September 16, 1920, Major General W. Thwaites, Director of\nMilitary Intelligence, wrote to Lord Hardinge, Under-Secretary\nof State for Foreign Affairs:\n\n"...it is useless to pretend that the Armenians are satisfactory\n allies, or deserving of all the sympathy to which they claim."[1]\n\n[1] F.O. 331/3411/158288.\n\nIn the Special Collection at Stanford Hoover Library, donated by\nGeorgia Cutler, the letter dated Nov. 1, 1943 states that\n\n"Prescot Hall wrote a large volume to prove that Armenians were\n not and never could be desirable citizens, that they would \n always be unscrupulous merchants."\n\n\nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer \n No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.\n (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)\n\n"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from\n leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night\n they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,\n after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements\n of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around\n Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are\n being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and\n barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."\n\n\n "Document No: 52," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer \n No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.\n (To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps\n Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army\n General)\n\n"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the\n population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are\n facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties\n and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate\n the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have \n regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and\n cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority\n seems to be failing in restoring order."\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n',
"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison)\nSubject: Re: Clipper Crypto\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering\nLines: 26\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com\nKeywords: crypto, EFF\n\nI sent a response to the White House at\n\n\t0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM (White House)\n\nand received a nice, automatic reply from MICMAIL noting, in passing, that\nif I had included a SNail address, I would get a reply in due course.\n\nFor those who care, my reply was:\n\n\t1.\tyes, let's protect the voice network\n\n\t2.\tprivately-developed crypto has always been available and\n\t\talways will be -- so let's think about how to do law\n\t\tenforcement given that fact not about how to hope to\n\t\tlegislate against it\n\n\t3.\tmy needs for crypto as a system designer are not met by the\n\t\tClipper Chip. I want freely to export uses of algorithms\n\t\t(like DES & RSA) which are already freely available in the\n\t\tdestination country\n\n-- \n - <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>>\n - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com\n - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783\n - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488\n",
'From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions\nKeywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic\nArticle-I.D.: engr.Apr19.045221.19525\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 40\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu\n\n\nan excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy. it switches to\n"sport" mode when the electronics figure it, not when the driver sets\nthe switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO. so what does "sport"\nmode entail? several things:\n\n1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy)\n\n2) delayed upshifts. (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the\n\tlow gear. this is handy if you are charging through corners and\n\twould like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there\'s\n\tanother curve approaching)\n\n3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is\n\tdepressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal. modern\n\telectronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode.\n\tthis is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about\n\tto turn red. my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as\n\tlittle as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough.\n\nalso, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage\nthan a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that\nthe idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a\nbig assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to\nuse for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an\ninattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55/65 in 4th gear (of a\n5 speed)? \n\nhow many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best\ngear to use is for every conceivable situation? i\'m sure there will\nbe some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with\nall possible scenario/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do\nbetter. i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved\nwrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear,\nlow revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high\nrevs and small throttle opening. the explanation is quite simple if\none sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight.\n\n\neliot\n',
"From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz)\nSubject: Re: Octopus in Detroit?\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula <DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:\n>I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an\n>octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives?\n\nNo no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the\nfish at UNH games....)\n\n>(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?)\n>-------\n>Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!!\n>\n>Harold Zazula\n>dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu\n>hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu\n\n\n",
'From: sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: University of Tromsoe, Norway\nLines: 11\n\nSorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need.\n\nI need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. \nThe program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows.\n\nI will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. \n\nDo I find it on any FTP host?\n\n Svein\n\n',
'From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 11/15 - Upcoming Planetary Probes\nSupersedes: <new_probes_730956574@cs.unc.edu>\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 243\nDistribution: world\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:00:01 GMT\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\n\nArchive-name: space/new_probes\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:17 $\n\nUPCOMING PLANETARY PROBES - MISSIONS AND SCHEDULES\n\n Information on upcoming or currently active missions not mentioned below\n would be welcome. Sources: NASA fact sheets, Cassini Mission Design\n team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits.\n\n\n ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into\n Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20\n Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas\n scintillation proportional counters.\n\n\n CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint\n NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian\n system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini\n is scheduled for launch aboard a Titan IV/Centaur in October of 1997.\n After gravity assists of Venus, Earth and Jupiter in a VVEJGA\n trajectory, the spacecraft will arrive at Saturn in June of 2004. Upon\n arrival, the Cassini spacecraft performs several maneuvers to achieve an\n orbit around Saturn. Near the end of this initial orbit, the Huygens\n Probe separates from the Orbiter and descends through the atmosphere of\n Titan. The Orbiter relays the Probe data to Earth for about 3 hours\n while the Probe enters and traverses the cloudy atmosphere to the\n surface. After the completion of the Probe mission, the Orbiter\n continues touring the Saturnian system for three and a half years. Titan\n synchronous orbit trajectories will allow about 35 flybys of Titan and\n targeted flybys of Iapetus, Dione and Enceladus. The objectives of the\n mission are threefold: conduct detailed studies of Saturn\'s atmosphere,\n rings and magnetosphere; conduct close-up studies of Saturn\'s\n satellites, and characterize Titan\'s atmosphere and surface.\n\n One of the most intriguing aspects of Titan is the possibility that its\n surface may be covered in part with lakes of liquid hydrocarbons that\n result from photochemical processes in its upper atmosphere. These\n hydrocarbons condense to form a global smog layer and eventually rain\n down onto the surface. The Cassini orbiter will use onboard radar to\n peer through Titan\'s clouds and determine if there is liquid on the\n surface. Experiments aboard both the orbiter and the entry probe will\n investigate the chemical processes that produce this unique atmosphere.\n\n The Cassini mission is named for Jean Dominique Cassini (1625-1712), the\n first director of the Paris Observatory, who discovered several of\n Saturn\'s satellites and the major division in its rings. The Titan\n atmospheric entry probe is named for the Dutch physicist Christiaan\n Huygens (1629-1695), who discovered Titan and first described the true\n nature of Saturn\'s rings.\n\n\t Key Scheduled Dates for the Cassini Mission (VVEJGA Trajectory)\n\t -------------------------------------------------------------\n\t 10/06/97 - Titan IV/Centaur Launch\n\t 04/21/98 - Venus 1 Gravity Assist\n\t 06/20/99 - Venus 2 Gravity Assist\n\t 08/16/99 - Earth Gravity Assist\n\t 12/30/00 - Jupiter Gravity Assist\n\t 06/25/04 - Saturn Arrival\n\t 01/09/05 - Titan Probe Release\n\t 01/30/05 - Titan Probe Entry\n\t 06/25/08 - End of Primary Mission\n\t (Schedule last updated 7/22/92)\n\n\n GALILEO - Jupiter orbiter and atmosphere probe, in transit. Has returned\n the first resolved images of an asteroid, Gaspra, while in transit to\n Jupiter. Efforts to unfurl the stuck High-Gain Antenna (HGA) have\n essentially been abandoned. JPL has developed a backup plan using data\n compression (JPEG-like for images, lossless compression for data from\n the other instruments) which should allow the mission to achieve\n approximately 70% of its original objectives.\n\n\t Galileo Schedule\n\t ----------------\n\t 10/18/89 - Launch from Space Shuttle\n\t 02/09/90 - Venus Flyby\n\t 10/**/90 - Venus Data Playback\n\t 12/08/90 - 1st Earth Flyby\n\t 05/01/91 - High Gain Antenna Unfurled\n\t 07/91 - 06/92 - 1st Asteroid Belt Passage\n\t 10/29/91 - Asteroid Gaspra Flyby\n\t 12/08/92 - 2nd Earth Flyby\n\t 05/93 - 11/93 - 2nd Asteroid Belt Passage\n\t 08/28/93 - Asteroid Ida Flyby\n\t 07/02/95 - Probe Separation\n\t 07/09/95 - Orbiter Deflection Maneuver\n\t 12/95 - 10/97 - Orbital Tour of Jovian Moons\n\t 12/07/95 - Jupiter/Io Encounter\n\t 07/18/96 - Ganymede\n\t 09/28/96 - Ganymede\n\t 12/12/96 - Callisto\n\t 01/23/97 - Europa\n\t 02/28/97 - Ganymede\n\t 04/22/97 - Europa\n\t 05/31/97 - Europa\n\t 10/05/97 - Jupiter Magnetotail Exploration\n\n\n HITEN - Japanese (ISAS) lunar probe launched 1/24/90. Has made\n multiple lunar flybys. Released Hagoromo, a smaller satellite,\n into lunar orbit. This mission made Japan the third nation to\n orbit a satellite around the Moon.\n\n\n MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire\n surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity\n map.\n\n\n MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera.\n Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in\n transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for\n one martian year (687 days).\n\n\n TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched\n 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the\n TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global\n observations of the sea level for several years, substantially\n increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also\n will increase understanding of how heat is transported in the ocean.\n\n\n ULYSSES- European Space Agency probe to study the Sun from an orbit over\n its poles. Launched in late 1990, it carries particles-and-fields\n experiments (such as magnetometer, ion and electron collectors for\n various energy ranges, plasma wave radio receivers, etc.) but no camera.\n\n Since no human-built rocket is hefty enough to send Ulysses far out of\n the ecliptic plane, it went to Jupiter instead, and stole energy from\n that planet by sliding over Jupiter\'s north pole in a gravity-assist\n manuver in February 1992. This bent its path into a solar orbit tilted\n about 85 degrees to the ecliptic. It will pass over the Sun\'s south pole\n in the summer of 1993. Its aphelion is 5.2 AU, and, surprisingly, its\n perihelion is about 1.5 AU-- that\'s right, a solar-studies spacecraft\n that\'s always further from the Sun than the Earth is!\n\n While in Jupiter\'s neigborhood, Ulysses studied the magnetic and\n radiation environment. For a short summary of these results, see\n *Science*, V. 257, p. 1487-1489 (11 September 1992). For gory technical\n detail, see the many articles in the same issue.\n\n\n OTHER SPACE SCIENCE MISSIONS (note: this is based on a posting by Ron\n Baalke in 11/89, with ISAS/NASDA information contributed by Yoshiro\n Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp). I\'m attempting to track changes based\n on updated shuttle manifests; corrections and updates are welcome.\n\n 1993 Missions\n\to ALEXIS [spring, Pegasus]\n\t ALEXIS (Array of Low-Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors) is to perform\n\t a wide-field sky survey in the "soft" (low-energy) X-ray\n\t spectrum. It will scan the entire sky every six months to search\n\t for variations in soft-X-ray emission from sources such as white\n\t dwarfs, cataclysmic variable stars and flare stars. It will also\n\t search nearby space for such exotic objects as isolated neutron\n\t stars and gamma-ray bursters. ALEXIS is a project of Los Alamos\n\t National Laboratory and is primarily a technology development\n\t mission that uses astrophysical sources to demonstrate the\n\t technology. Contact project investigator Jeffrey J Bloch\n\t (jjb@beta.lanl.gov) for more information.\n\n\to Wind [Aug, Delta II rocket]\n\t Satellite to measure solar wind input to magnetosphere.\n\n\to Space Radar Lab [Sep, STS-60 SRL-01]\n\t Gather radar images of Earth\'s surface.\n\n\to Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer [Dec, Pegasus rocket]\n\t Study of Stratospheric ozone.\n\n\to SFU (Space Flyer Unit) [ISAS]\n\t Conducting space experiments and observations and this can be\n\t recovered after it conducts the various scientific and\n\t engineering experiments. SFU is to be launched by ISAS and\n\t retrieved by the U.S. Space Shuttle on STS-68 in 1994.\n\n 1994\n\to Polar Auroral Plasma Physics [May, Delta II rocket]\n\t June, measure solar wind and ions and gases surrounding the\n\t Earth.\n\n\to IML-2 (STS) [NASDA, Jul 1994 IML-02]\n\t International Microgravity Laboratory.\n\n\to ADEOS [NASDA]\n\t Advanced Earth Observing Satellite.\n\n\to MUSES-B (Mu Space Engineering Satellite-B) [ISAS]\n\t Conducting research on the precise mechanism of space structure\n\t and in-space astronomical observations of electromagnetic waves.\n\n 1995\n\tLUNAR-A [ISAS]\n\t Elucidating the crust structure and thermal construction of the\n\t moon\'s interior.\n\n\n Proposed Missions:\n\to Advanced X-ray Astronomy Facility (AXAF)\n\t Possible launch from shuttle in 1995, AXAF is a space\n\t observatory with a high resolution telescope. It would orbit for\n\t 15 years and study the mysteries and fate of the universe.\n\n\to Earth Observing System (EOS)\n\t Possible launch in 1997, 1 of 6 US orbiting space platforms to\n\t provide long-term data (15 years) of Earth systems science\n\t including planetary evolution.\n\n\to Mercury Observer\n\t Possible 1997 launch.\n\n\to Lunar Observer\n\t Possible 1997 launch, would be sent into a long-term lunar\n\t orbit. The Observer, from 60 miles above the moon\'s poles, would\n\t survey characteristics to provide a global context for the\n\t results from the Apollo program.\n\n\to Space Infrared Telescope Facility\n\t Possible launch by shuttle in 1999, this is the 4th element of\n\t the Great Observatories program. A free-flying observatory with\n\t a lifetime of 5 to 10 years, it would observe new comets and\n\t other primitive bodies in the outer solar system, study cosmic\n\t birth formation of galaxies, stars and planets and distant\n\t infrared-emitting galaxies\n\n\to Mars Rover Sample Return (MRSR)\n\t Robotics rover would return samples of Mars\' atmosphere and\n\t surface to Earch for analysis. Possible launch dates: 1996 for\n\t imaging orbiter, 2001 for rover.\n\n\to Fire and Ice\n\t Possible launch in 2001, will use a gravity assist flyby of\n\t Earth in 2003, and use a final gravity assist from Jupiter in\n\t 2005, where the probe will split into its Fire and Ice\n\t components: The Fire probe will journey into the Sun, taking\n\t measurements of our star\'s upper atmosphere until it is\n\t vaporized by the intense heat. The Ice probe will head out\n\t towards Pluto, reaching the tiny world for study by 2016.\n\n\nNEXT: FAQ #12/15 - Controversial questions\n',
'From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Blakey)\nSubject: FTP sites anyone?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca\nOrganization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada\nLines: 7\n\n Hello netters:) Does anyone out there know any FTP sites for projects,\nplans, etc of an electrical nature? \n\n-Jason\n-- \n ............................................................................ \n Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca \n',
"From: bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras)\nSubject: Re: Automated X testing\nReply-To: bill@msi.com\nOrganization: Molecular Simulations Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 27\n\nMark D. Collier (mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu) wrote:\n: Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing\n: of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could\n: program (or which could record events/output) with our verification\n: test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression\n: testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX\n: projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS.\n\nA question like this is answered in the FAQ, about sharing X windows.\nOne of the answers is XTrap, a record and playback extenstion to X. You\ncan find it at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/XTrapV33_X11R5.tar.Z.\n\nDoes anyone know of a program which doesn't require an X extension? Most\nthe the X servers we have at work have vendor extensions which we can't\nmodify, so XTrap doesn't help up. There is X conferencing software at\nmit, but I don't know how easy it would be to modify it to do record and\nplayback.\n\nAny help would be appreciated.\n--\n+-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+\n| Bill Poitras | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Tel (408)522-9229 |\n| bill@msi.com | Sunnyvale, CA 94086-3522 | FAX (408)732-0831 |\n+-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+\n|FTP Mail |mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com | Offers:ftp via email |\n| |Subject:<CR>help<CR>quit | |\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
'From: billd@informix.com (William Daul)\nSubject: Toshiba 3401 E and P CD-ROM\nSummary: need info on what difference is and where to find 3401P or E\nKeywords: toshiba, cd, cd-rom, cd rom\nOrganization: Informix Software, Inc.\nLines: 10\n\nI notice the Toshiba 3401 has 3 versions, B - internal, E - external and P -\nportable. Can anyone tell me the difference between the portable and the\nexternal version? Where in the SF Bay Area can I find a model P?\n\nThanks, --Bill\n-- \n%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\n William Daul Advanced Support INFORMIX SOFTWARE INC.\n 4100 Bohannon Dr. (415) 926-6488 - wk\n Menlo Park, CA. 94025 uunet!infmx!billd or billd@informix.com\n',
'From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET\nSubject: Re: CDs priced for immediate sale\nArticle-I.D.: ASUACAD.93096.004253AGRGB\nOrganization: Arizona State University\nLines: 10\n\nHey now,\n\nThe following cds are still available. Offers/trades considered.\n\nGowan - Lost Brotherhood\nKatrina & the Waves - Break of Hearts\nJoe Cocker - Live\nCharles Neville - Diversity\n\nThanks, Rich\n',
'From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips)\nSubject: Re: Ford and the automobile\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5\nLines: 14\n\n: Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is\n: partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of\n: the ozone layer. Also, any other additional information will be greatly\n: appreciated. Thanks. \n: \nSSSSSoooooooooooo!!!!! Its all HIS fault!! Thank God Louis Chevrolet is \ninnocent! and that guy Diesel, HE otto feel guilty!\n\n\n--\nStephen Phillips\nAtlanta Response Center\nAtlanta, Ga.\nHome of the Braves!\n',
'From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)\nSubject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism\nOrganization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre\nLines: 37\nDistribution: sfnet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi\n\n[deletions...]\n\nIn <1993Apr13.184227.1191@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n>I really don\'t think you can imagine what it is like to be infinite.\n\nFirst of all, infinity is a mathematical concept created by humans\nto explain certain things in a certain way. We don\'t know if it actually\napplies to reality, we don\'t know if anything in the world is infinite.\n\n>It wouldn\'t be able to\n>comprehend what reality is like for the programmer, because that would\n>require an infinite memory or whatever because reality is continuous and\n>based on infinietely small units- no units.\n\nYou don\'t know if the universe is actually continuous. Continuum is another\nmathematical concept (based on infinity) used to explain things in a certain\nway.\n\n>Because humans do not know what infinite is. We call it something\n>beyond numbers. We call it endless, but we do not know what it is.\n\nI have a pretty good idea of what infinity is. It\'s a man-made concept, and\nlike many man-made concepts, it has evolved through time. Ancient Greeks had\na different understanding of it.\n\n>So, we can call Allah infinitely powerful, knowledgeable, etc.., yet we\n>cannot imagine what Allah actually is, because we just cannot imagine\n>what it is like to be infinite.\n\nPrecicely. We don\'t even know if infinity applies to reality.\n\n-- \nSami Aario | "Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode\na137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."\n-------------------\' "Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"\nEros in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" DISCLAIMER: I don\'t agree with Eros.\n',
'From: sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein)\nSubject: Re: The source of that announcement\nOrganization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: frumious-bandersnatch.mit.edu\n\nAlso note (from <branstad@tis.com> and <walker@tis.com>):\n\n% whois -h rs.internic.net tis-dom\nTrusted Information Systems, Inc. (TIS-DOM)\n 3060 Washington Road, Route 97\n Glenwood, MD 21738\n\n Domain Name: TIS.COM\n\n Administrative Contact:\n Walker, Stephen T. (STW3) walker@TIS.COM\n (301) 854-6889\n Technical Contact, Zone Contact:\n Dalva, David I. (DID1) dave@TIS.COM\n (301) 854-6889\n\n Record last updated on 02-Jul-92.\n\n Domain servers in listed order:\n\n TIS.COM 192.33.112.100\n LA.TIS.COM 192.5.49.8\n\n\tAnd "dockmaster" is an infamous address ...\n\n--\nSeth Finkelstein sethf@athena.mit.edu\n"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"\n',
'From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)\nSubject: Re: ATF suspects drug lab in compound\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\n\n>In article <1993Mar28.180629.21574@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:\n>>A Associated Press News story 3/28/93 reports:\n>> \n>>" In other developments Saturday, David Troy, intelligence chief for\n>>the ATF, confirmed reports that authorities suspected the cult had a\n>>methamphetamine lab. He said evidence of possible drug activity\n>>surfaced late in the ATF\' investigation of the cult\'s gun dealings.\n\nWow, the scope of the mission of the ATF continues to expand. Besides\nAlcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, they now seem to be involded in Child\nProtective Services, Drug Enforcement and Tax Evasion.\n\nThey look to be on the road to being the nations *boys in blue*!\nNo Knock in one hand, M-16 in the other. Zeik-Heil!!!\n\nLance\n\n\n\n-- \n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 |\n| "Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free." |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n',
"From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask)\nSubject: Re: islamic authority over women\nReply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask)\nOrganization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada\nLines: 78\n\nsnm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr7.163445.1203@wam.umd.edu> west@next02.wam.umd.edu writes:\n>>> >> And belief causes far more horrors.\n>>> >> Crusades, \n>>> >> the emasculation and internment of Native Americans, \n>>> >> the killing of various tribes in South America.\n>>> >-the Inquisition\n>>> >-the Counter-reformation and the wars that followed\n>>> >-the Salem witch trials\n>>> >-the European witch hunts\n>>> >-the holy wars of the middle east\n>>> >-the colonization/destruction of Africa\n>>> >-the wars between Christianity and Islam (post crusade)\n>>> >-the genocide (biblical) of the Canaanites and Philistines\n>>> >-Aryian invasion of India\n>>> >-the attempted genocide of Jews by Nazi Germany\n>>> >-the current missionary assaults on tribes in Africa\n>>> \n>>> I think all the horrors you mentioned are due to *lack* of people\n>>> following religion.\n.d.\n>By lack of people following religion I also include fanatics- people\n>that don't know what they are following.\n.d.\n>So how do you know that you were right?\n>Why are you trying to shove down my throat that religion causes horrors.\n>It really covers yourself- something false to save yourself.\n>\n>Peace,\n>\n>Bobby Mozumder\n>\nI just thought of another one, in the Bible, so it's definately not because\nof *lack* of religion. The Book of Esther (which I read the other day for\nother reasons) describes the origin of Pur'im, a Jewish celbration of joy\nand peace. The long and short of the story is that 75,000 people were\nkilled when people were tripping over all of the peacefull solutions \nlying about (you couldn't swing a sacred cow without slammin into a nice,\npeaceful solution.) 'Course Joshua and the jawbone of an ass spring to\nmind...\n\nI agree with Bobby this far: religion as it is used to kill large numbers\nof people is usually not used in the form or manner that it was originally\nintended for.\n\nThat doesn't reduce the number of deaths directly caused by religion, it is\njust a minor observation of the fact that there is almost nothing pure in\nthe Universe. The very act of honestly attempting to find true meaning in\nreligious teaching has many times inspired hatred and led to war. Many\npeople have been led by religious leaders more involved in their own\nstomache-contentsthan in any absolute truth, and have therefore been driven to\nkill by their leaders.\n\nThe point is that there are many things involved in religion that often\nlead to war. Whether these things are a part of religion, an unpleasant\nside effect or (as Bobby would have it) the result of people switching\nbetween Religion and Atheism spontaneously, the results are the same. \n\n@Religious groups have long been involved in the majority of the bloodiest\nparts of Man's history.@\n\nAtheists, on the other hand (preen,preen) are typically not an ideological\nsocial caste, nor are they driven to organize and spread their beliefs.\nThe overuse of Nazism and Stalinism just show how true this is: Two groups\nwith very clear and specific ideologies using religious persecution to\nfurther their means. Anyone who cannot see the obvious - namely that these\nwere groups founded for reasons *entirely* their own, who used religious\npersecution not because of any belief system but because it made them more\npowerfull - is trying too hard. Basically, Bobby uses these examples\nbecause there are so few wars that were *not* *specifically* fought over\nreligion that he does not have many choices.\n\nWell, I'm off to Key West where the only flames are heating the bottom of\nlittle silver butter-dishes.\n\n-ciao\n\n-chris blask\n",
'From: suresh@pa.dec.com (Suresh Balasubramanian)\nSubject: *****Twin Size Mattress/BoxSprng/Frame for SALE $75*****\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 29\nDistribution: ba\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tmax4.pa.dec.com\n\n\n!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*!\n\n\tTwin Size - Mattress, Box Spring and Frame for SALE.\n\n\t** Medico-Pedic [type of mattress?]\n\t** Excellent condition\n ** 2 yrs old\n\t** Well maintained\n\t\n\t-- You come and pick it up, stuff is located in PaloAlto\n\n\tAsking for: $75\n\n\n\tContact:\n\n\t\tSuresh\n\t\t(415)-617-3522 [W]\n\t\t(415)-324-9553 [H]\n\t\tE-Mail: suresh@pa.dec.com\n\n\n!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*!\n-- \n o o o o o o o . . . ______________________________ _____=======_||____\n o _____ ||Suresh Balasubramanian | |suresh@pa.dec.com|\n .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ |Digital Equipment Corp. | | (415) 617-3522 |\n >(________|__|_[_________]_|____________________________|_|_________________|\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Jews in LATVIA - some documents\nArticle-I.D.: zuma.9304052018\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 407\n\nIn article <C4zvvG.50D@unix.amherst.edu> nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes:\n\n: Pardon me? Here is to an amherst-clown:\n: \n: "Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders\n: of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged \n: massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is\n: intolerable.\n\n>This is about Armenia.\n\nWere you expecting a different response? Here is another one:\n\nSource: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934, \n (73 pages with Appendix).\n\np. 25 (third paragraph)\n\n"Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror\n into the hearts of the Turks."\n\n\n"Within a few months after the war began, these Armenian guerrilla\n forces, operating in close coordination with the Russians, were\n savagely attacking Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east,\n massacring their inhabitants without mercy, while at the same time\n working to sabotage the Ottoman army\'s war effort by destroying roads\n and bridges, raiding caravans, and doing whatever else they could to\n ease Russian occupation. The atrocities committed by the Armenian \n volunteer forces accompanying the Russian army were so severe that the \n Russian commanders themselves were compelled to withdraw them from the \n fighting fronts and sent them to rear guard duties. The memoirs of many\n Russian officers who served in the east at this time are filled with \n accounts of the revolting atrocities committed by these Armenian \n guerrillas, which were savage even by relatively primitive standards of\n war then observed in such areas.[1]"\n\n[1] "Journal de Guerre du Deuxieme d\'Artillerie de Forteresse Russe \n d\'Erzeroum," 1919, p. 28.\n\n: >honored me by reproducing my text. Unfortunately, he has still not produced\n: >the "documents" on "Jews in LATVIA." Instead, he asks for my views on the\n: >"Turkish Genocide." Well, that debate seems to be going on in a few hundred\n: >other threads. I\'ll let other people bring the usual charges, try to debunk\n: >Mutlu/Argic/Cosar (a net-wide Terrorism Triangle?) and their spurious evidence.\n: \n: When that does ever happen, look out the window to see if there is a\n: non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. Now, where is\n: your non-existent list of scholars? What a moronian. During the First \n: World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship \n: through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its \n: centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by \n: savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from \n: their 1,000 year homeland.\n\n>This paragraph is well-written and interesting, Serdar baby, but it has nothing\n>to do with Jews in LATVIA. I have not presented a list of scholars. \n\nHow could you? Because there is none.\n\n>I am not\n>interested in an ex-Soviet (why do you write x-? It\'s very cute) Armenian\n>Government, non-fascist or otherwise. You are not responding to what I am\n>writing. Instead, you are autoposting your own particular brand of bullshit.\n\nLike conversing with a brick wall. And you are not responding to what I \nam writing. By the way, that "bullshit" is justly regarded as the first \ninstance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.\nFor nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived \non their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet \nand Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The \nArmenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its \nMuslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the \nremainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, \nTurkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. \n\nThe survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and \nKurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its \npredecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against \nhumanity.\n\nx-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims \nby admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.\n\n>You have now done so four times in a row. May I legitimately conclude that\n>you are not, indeed, a regular net-user, but an auto-posting computer program?\n>(which, for convenience, I have called MUTLU.EXE.)\n\nYou may assert whatever you wish.\n\n>Here we go with MUTLU.EXE\'s famed list of sources:\n\nDitto.\n\n: The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance\n: of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.\n: This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government\n: and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark \n: Bristol, ...\n\n>(and on and on for 46 lines)\n\nAnd still anxiously awaiting...\n\n: .......so the list goes on and on and on.....\n: \n: >I\'m still trying to find out about those Jews in LATVIA. Can you post those \n: >documents PLEEEEEEEASE, Mr. Argic? Puh-leeze could you? C\'mon, it\'s my\n: >birthday in three weeks... post them for me as a birthday present.\n: \n: Remember, the issue at hand is the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million \n: Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914-1920, and the Armenian-Nazi \n: collaboration during World War II. Anything to add?\n\n>No, darling, READ what I post! Other people are asking you about the Turkish\n>genocide. I am asking you to produce the documents on Jews in Latvia. No\n>matter how many times you erase what I post, I will still post the same\n>question. Post the documents on Jews in Latvia. Do not autopost the same\n>block of text about the Turkish genocide. \n\nRemember, the issue at hand is the Armenian-Nazi collaboration during \nWorld War II and the Turkish Genocide. And I still fail to see how\nyou can challenge the following western sources.\n\nSource: John Dewey: "The New Republic," Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9.\n\n"Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it.\n And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in \'fanatic\' Turkey\n when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians,\n and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and\n liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the\n rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have \n been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of \n the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious\n differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they\n were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every \n nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily \n reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..." \n\nHe also stated that:\n\n"they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian \n invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and\n fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least\n a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."\n\n: >I want the documents of Jews in Latvia. I think several other\n: >people on soc.culture.greek are already disputing with you about the Turkish\n: >Genocide.\n: \n: Is this the joke of the month? Who, when, how, where? What a clown...\n\n>No, sweetie, the joke of the month is that you have now posted the same\n>block of text four times, but you still have not produced the documents on\n>Jews in Latvia. Instead, you post the same text you post in every other\n>message, that same old McCarthy table: (how appropriate it\'s named "McCarthy!")\n\nHow about Prof Shaw, a Jewish scholar?\n\nSource: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian\narmies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume\nII: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."\n(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.\n\n"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city \n of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, \n closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan \n on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized \n and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during \n the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the\n southern side of the lake."\n\n"Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,\n Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.\n Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First\n World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse\n to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other\n invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian\n success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of\n Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common\n soldiers began deserting in droves."\n\n"With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of\n World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman\'s enemy\n increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,\n Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn\n massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of\n expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."\n\nSource: Stanford J. Shaw, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"\n Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317.\n\n"...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final\n plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the \n president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response:\n\n \'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the \n glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian\n arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the\n Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining\n under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey\n who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new\n free life under the protection of Russia.\'[155]\n\nArmenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made\nto strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg\nconfident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."\n\n[155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, "Road to\nIndependence," p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083.\n\n"Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and\n the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be\n accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"\n\n[156] Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, \npp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields,"\nCambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, "Harb Hahralaram," 2 vols.,\nAnkara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos.\n46942 and 22083.\n\n"An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it \n appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be\n able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian\n civilization. An Armenian legion was organized \'to expel the Turks from\n the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted\n Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.\'[162] Thousands of Armenians from\n Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new \n Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians\n crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed\n no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"\n\n[162] Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and\n58350.\n\n[163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; \nBabi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, "Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"\nZilkade 1333/10 September 1915.\n\n: Muslim population exterminated by the Armenians:\n\n>(31 lines deleted)\n\nWhy?\n\n: Who gives a thunder about your pseudo-scholar jokes? I\'am arguing about \n: the Armenian-Nazi colaboration during World War II. Any comment?\n\n>Argue it with someone else or do not reply to my posts, Argic my love. I \n>am not arguing about the Armenian-Nazi collaboration. I do not give a \n>thunder about it. I want you to do one of three things:\n>a) admit that you are not a regular user, but a computer autoposting Turkish\n>propaganda, or,\n>b) post the documents on Jews in Latvia, or,\n>c) run away, like the coward without a real address that you are, and do not\n>reply to my posts.\n\nIt could be, perhaps, your head wasn\'t screwed on just right. In 1941, \nwhile the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration \ncamps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first Armenian \nbattalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had \ngrown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the\nformer guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the\nshort-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the \ncold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920.\nAn Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party \nleaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by \nthis, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed \nand espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the \nmembers of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler\'s policy of \nextermination of the Jews.\n\nThis Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore"\nperformance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and\nexterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.\n\nFurthermore, as McCarthy put it, the Armenian dictatorship was granted\na respite when the Ottomans admitted defeat and signed the Mudros\nArmistice with the Allies (October 30, 1918). The Allies had decided\nto create a Greater Armenia, including the old Russian province\nof Yerevan and adjoining areas, as well as most parts of Anatolia\nclaimed by the Armenian fanatics. Only the area called Cilicia\n(around the Ottoman province of Adana) was to be excluded, as it\nhad already been claimed by the French. The Allies quickly set\nabout attempting to disarm Ottoman soldiers and other Turks, who\ncould be expected to oppose their plans. \n\nOn April 19, 1919 the British Army occupied Kars, gave civilian\nand military power over to the Armenians, then withdrew. The British\nplanned for Kars to be included in the Armenian Dictatorship, even \nthough the Russian pre-war census had shown Kars Province to be over\n60% Muslim. The Turks of Kars were effectively disarmed, but the \nBritish could not disarm the Kurds of the mountains. The fate of\nthe Turks was almost an exact replica of what had occurred earlier\nin Eastern Anatolia. Murder, pillage, genocide and the destruction\nof Turkish homes and entire Turkish villages drove the Turks of\nKars to the mountains or south and west to the safety afforded\nby remaining units of the Ottoman Army. The British had left \nthe scene to the Armenian genocide squads. Therefore, few \nEuropeans were present to observe the genocide. One British\nsoldier, Colonel Rawlinson, who was assigned to supervise the\ndisarmament of Otoman soldiers, saw what was occurring. \n\nRawlinson wired to his superiors, \n\n"in the interest of humanity the Armenians should not be left in\n independent command of the Moslim population, as, their troops \n being without discipline and not being under effective control,\n atrocities were constantly being committed." \n\n>Instead, you post more Armenian nonsense:\n\nCome again?\n\n: "These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to...\n>(34 lines deleted)\n\nWhy?\n\n: No wonder you are in such a mess. Here are the Armenian sources on the\n: Turkish Holocaust.\n>(30+ lines deleted) \n\nWhy?\n\n>(list of dead Armenians, 100+ lines, deleted): \n\nObrother. Spell it out, "list of dead Muslims":\n\nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n "Document No: 64," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer \n No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20.\n (To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist \n Nesim Mazelyah)\n\n"Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on\n innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported\n by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by\n General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army.\n\n Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out\n murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be\n expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people\n who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated \n every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged\n to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled\n and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking.\n We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation."\n\n "Document No: 65," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer \n No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3.\n (To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General)\n\n"The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have \n recently taken over is given below:\n\n These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the\n calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed,\n as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of\n these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the \n destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation.\n\n All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum,\n the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those\n burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down.\n\n As to the people of these cities:\n\n All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis\n direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people,\n were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the \n withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown \n into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens\n ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls\n and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts.\n The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than\n those of the \'Spanish Inquisition,\' are in poverty more dead than alive,\n horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in\n Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had\n has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated.\n\n The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in\n stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and \n Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have \n been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely\n massacred.\n\n Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that\n history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions."\n\n: (a long list)\n: (a long list)"\n\nAnd still anxiously awaiting...\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n',
'From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.051701.3419@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:\n>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>: >> \n>: >I\'m not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if \n>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your\n>: >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there\n>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.\n>: \n>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be\n>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car?\n\nYo! Watch the attributions--I didn\'t say that!\n\nAgain, this isn\'t an appropriate forum for discussions on whether you\nshould shoot someone for property damage/vandalism/theft, but every\nresponsible gun owner realizes that there are limits, and the punishment\nmust fit the crime. I mean, think about it--is a (really) harmless\nprank worth killing over?\n\nAs I said, the situation described (punks setting off alarms and\ntaunting people to come out) could turn very ugly very quickly, and\nit is worth being prepared when your life is potentially on the line.\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu \nDISCLAIMER: I\'m not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...\'89 T-Bird SC\n "It\'s a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he\'s ever gonna have." \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"\n',
"From: harry@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Harry Langenbacher)\nSubject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply\nArticle-I.D.: jato.1993Apr15.225326.22831\nOrganization: JPL Pasadena CA\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <NURDEN1.25.734866568@elaine.ee.und.ac.za> NURDEN1@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (Dale Nurden) writes:\n>I'm wanting to build a simple UPS for my PC. ... sustain the computer long enough to complete \n>the current task and save, 5 to 10 minutes should be enough....\n>I think, though I don't really need to keep the monitor active (I can try to \n>remember what to do) so maybe I can avoid a DC-AC inverter and just use a \n>battery to directly supply the motherboard and peripherals.\n\nNow there's a good idea ! All you need is 20 amps DC for a few minutes, and\na good (wetware) memory (was I using wp or autocad or ...). I thought of the\nsame idea myself a few days ago. I've got a fairly new car battery that I take\nalong in my 4x4 when I go camping, and it sits around useless when I'm home.\nI wish I could get a batteryless ups to use it with, or use it with a heavy\nduty 5-volt regulator to supply the PC. But I guess you'd need -5v and -12v \n(and +12) too (2 more batteries ?).\n\nAn alternative would be to leave a 40 AMP battery charger hooked up to the battery\nand run a 12vdc to 110vac converter running all the time, and when the power\ngoes out, voi-la ! the 110vac converter keeps on running off the battery ! and\nthen I could take the 110vac converter and my computer on the camping trips !-)\n\n\n-- \nHarry Langenbacher 818-354-9513 harry%neuron6@jpl-mil.jpl.nasa.gov\nFAX 818-393-4540, Concurrent Processing Devices Group, Jet Propulsion\nLaboratory, M/S 302-231, 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 USA\n",
"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: n\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.171718.18852@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) writes:\n>\n>>\tDo you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable\n>>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too\n>>tight, is it safe without oil leak?\n>\n>Tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual. That\n>way it won't leak, strip, break, etc. (hopefully :-) )\n>>\n>>Thank you very much in advance------ Winson\n>\n>Aviad\n\nYou can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in\nplace of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no\nleaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).\n-- \nRon DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)\nAT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA\n",
"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) \nSubject: SIMM Speed\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA\nReply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) \nLines: 27\n\nB\nBK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying\nBK>wants 80ns simms? \n\nYou shouldn't have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems \nwith slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster. \n\nBK>Also, is it possible to plug in SIMMs of different\nBK>speeds into the same motherboard? ie - 2 megs of 70ns and 2 megs of 6\nBK>or something like that?\n\nSure. I have 4 70ns SIMMs in one bank and 4 60ns SIMMS in the other ( I \nhave a 486 ). I wouldn't recommend mixing speeds within a bank, just to \nbe on the safe side.\n\n-rdd \nrdesonia@erim.org\n\n---\n . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy\n * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959\n \n----\n| HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins |\n| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail |\n| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+\n| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |\n",
"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)\nSubject: Re: Trace size for a 15 Amp supply\nOrganization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 12\n\nR.G. Keen (rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com) wrote:\n: A quick and dirty way to get higher current carrying capacity\n: on PC board traces for one- or few-of-a-kind boards is to\n: strip some #14 Romex house wiring cable to bare copper, form\n: the bare copper to follow the trace, and solder it down.\n\nAnd if it's not quick and dirty, you can get bus bars that\nare stamped out with leads that insert in the PC board.\n\nMark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com \n\n\n",
'From: pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner)\nSubject: The Old Key Registration Idea...\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nOkay, let\'s suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered\nKey system becomes standard and I\'m able to buy such a system\nfrom my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in\nchip and the government has the key to every phone call. \nI go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. \n\nWhat\'s to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or \nbuying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered\nkeys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes \nto listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the \nsecret key registered under my name isn\'t the right one. \n\nThat leads me to conjecture that:\n\n1) The system isn\'t that secure. There are just two master keys\nthat work for all the phones in the country. The part about\nregistering your keys is just bogus. \n\nor \n\n2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks\nlike this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to\ntown.\n\nIn either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper."\'jbl)mW:wxlD2\n',
'From: roger@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Mullane)\nSubject: Re: 86 Acura Integra 5-speed\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA\nLines: 26\n\nI have a 1986 Acura Integra 5 speed with 95,000 miles on it. It is positively\nthe worst car I have ever owned. I had an 83 Prelude that had 160k miles on\nit when I sold it, and it was still going strong . This is with religious\nattention to maintenance such as oil changes etc. Both cars were driven in\nexactly the same manner..\n\n 1. It has gone through two clutches (which are underrated.)\n 2. 3 sets of tires (really eats tires in the front even with careful align)\n 3. All struts started leaking about 25-30k miles\n 4. Windshield wiper motor burned up (service note on this one)\n 5. Seek stop working on radio about 20k miles\n 6. Two timing belts.\n 7. Constant error signals from computer.\n\n 8. And finally. A rod bearing went out on the No. 1 piston seriously damaging\n the crankshaft, contaminating the engine etc. When the overhaul was done\n last week it required new crankshaft, one new cam shaft (has two) because\n the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it. The camshaft took 4\n weeks to get because it is on national back order. \n\n Everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year. They went to a new\n design in 87. Parts are very expensive.\n\nNo way would I ever buy another Acura. It is highly overrated. .\n\n \n',
'From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno)\nSubject: MS-Windows access for the blind?\nOrganization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY\n\nWe are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window\nto display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows\nthat will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ??\n\nPlease email responses and I will post a summary to this group.\n\nThanks for any help\n--- John Bruno\n\n',
"From: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nSubject: Windows Locks up with green lines down the Screen\nReply-To: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 18\n\nHi, I am using a dtk 386-20Mhz 13Meg memory to run a variety of\nprograms, and have had problems off and on with lock up,\nbut now I am trying to run an application that wants a lot of memory\nover a period of time (Playmation 24 bit rendered) and it is \nlocking up Everytime. I have an ATI ultra + w/2Meg which I have\ntried in each of the video modes, I have excluded the region of\nvideo memory from A000-C800 segments from the use of emm386,\nhave tried adjusting the swap partion from large to nonexistant (to\nprevent swapping) and I have REM'd ALL TSR's and utilities in config.syus\nand autoexec, and even tried using the default program manager, disabling\nmy HP dashboard. even with a minimal system, no swap, no smartdrv,\nno TSR's, no windows utilities and exclusion of video regions it still\nlocks up completely (no mouse control, no response to anything except\n3finger salute, and even that does not stop by the standard windows\nscreen, but simply does a full reset immediately). Just about out\nof ideas, anyone out there have any???? Thanks\ntom branham\nbranham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\n",
'From: (Rashid)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179\nOrganization: NH\nLines: 76\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.131032.15644@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,\ndarice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:\n> \n> It is my understanding that it is generally agreed upon by the ulema\n> [Islamic scholars] that Islamic law applies only in an Islamic country,\n> of which the UK is not. Furthermore, to take the law into one\'s own\n> hands is a criminal act, as these are matters for the state, not for\n> individuals. Nevertheless, Khomeini offered a cash prize for people to\n> take the law into their own hands -- something which, to my\n> understanding, is against Islamic law.\n\nYes, this is also my understanding of the majority of Islamic laws.\nHowever, I believe there are also certain legal rulings which, in all\nfive schools of law (4 sunni and 1 jaffari), can be levelled against\nmuslim or non-muslims, both within and outside dar-al-islam. I do\nnot know if apostasy (when accompanied by active, persistent, and\nopen hostility to Islam) falls into this category of the law. I do know\nthat\nhistorically, apostasy has very rarely been punished at all, let alone\nby the death penalty.\n\nMy understanding is that Khomeini\'s ruling was not based on the\nlaw of apostasy (alone). It was well known that Rushdie was an apostate\nlong before he wrote the offending novel and certainly there is no\nprecedent in the Qur\'an, hadith, or in Islamic history for indiscriminantly\nlevelling death penalties for apostasy.\n\nI believe the charge levelled against Rushdie was that of "fasad". This\nruling applies both within and outside the domain of an\nIslamic state and it can be carried out by individuals. The reward was\nnot offered by Khomeini but by individuals within Iran.\n\n\n> Stuff deleted\n> Also, I think you are muddying the issue as you seem to assume that\n> Khomeini\'s fatwa was issued due to the _distribution_ of the book. My\n> understanding is that Khomeini\'s fatwa was issued in response to the\n> _writing_ and _publishing_ of the book. If my view is correct, then\n> your viewpoint that Rushdie was sentenced for a "crime in progress" is\n> incorrect.\n> \nI would concur that the thrust of the fatwa (from what I remember) was\nlevelled at the author and all those who assisted in the publication\nof the book. However, the charge of "fasad" can encompass a\nnumber of lesser charges. I remember that when diplomatic relations\nbroke off between Britain and Iran over the fatwa - Iran stressed that\nthe condemnation of the author, and the removal of the book from\ncirculation were two preliminary conditions for resolving the\n"crisis". But you are correct to point out that banning the book was not\nthe main thrust behind the fatwa. Islamic charges such as fasad are\nlevelled at people, not books.\n\nThe Rushdie situation was followed in Iran for several months before the\nissuance of the fatwa. Rushdie went on a media blitz,\npresenting himself as a lone knight guarding the sacred values of\nsecular democracy and mocking the foolish concerns of people\ncrazy enough to actually hold their religious beliefs as sacred. \nFanning the flames and milking the controversy to boost\nhis image and push the book, he was everywhere in the media. Then\nMuslim demonstrators in several countries were killed while\nprotesting against the book. Rushdie appeared momentarily\nconcerned, then climbed back on his media horse to once again\nattack the Muslims and defend his sacred rights. It was at this\npoint that the fatwa on "fasad" was issued.\n\nThe fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of\nRushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of\nthe ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant\nwill of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa\nagainst the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The\ncrime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being\nplayed out (and played up) in the the full view of the media.\n\nP.S. I\'m not sure about this but I think the charge of "shatim" also\napplies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella\nof the "fasad" ruling.\n',
'From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.195636.17742@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:\n>In article <C5sou8.LnB@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>>>Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever\n>>>really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of\n>>>a humiliated agency that said (quote!) "Enough is enough."\n>>\n>>Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people \n>>come out with their hands up several weeks ago.\n\nNo answer.\n\n>You didn\'t answer the question. The FBI took people out of\n>camera range. It is thus possible that they were engaging in\n>questionable activities.\n\nI do not feel like the cameras were out of range. Cameras watched the first \nconfrontation. Cameras watched the banners. Cmaeras watched the final \nconfrontation with tanks. Cameras watched the fire. When weren\'t cameras \nable to watch? When would cameras be unable to watch people coming out with \ntheir hands up?\n\n>As to your question, please tell me what you think would have happened\n>had the ATF goon squad knocked and asked politely several weeks\n>ago (as opposed to playing Rambo with a t.v. crew in tow).\n\nWell, that is what BATF should have done. Either, Koresh would have gone \npeaceably as he has done in the past, or perhaps it was already too close \nto the apocalypse in his own mind. It is hard to predict the actions of \na leader who would not release the children when most rational people would.\n\nNow will you answer my question up top?\n\n>\n>Drew\n>--\n>betz@gozer.idbsu.edu\n>*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***\n>*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights ***\n>*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,\n> semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium\n\n\n-- \n\n\n',
'From: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen)\nSubject: DICTA-93\nOriginator: edb@friend.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU\nKeywords: Conference\nReply-To: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen)\nOrganization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia\nLines: 163\n\n\n Australian Pattern Recognition Society\n\n 2nd CALL FOR PAPERS\n\n DICTA-93\n\n 2nd Conference on -\n\n DIGITAL IMAGING COMPUTING: TECHNIQUES AND APPLICATIONS\n\n\nLocation: Macquarie Theatre\n Macquarie University\n Sydney\n\nDate: 8-10 December 1993.\n\n\n DICTA-93 is the second biennial national conference of the\nAustralian Pattern Recognition Society.\n\n This event will provide an opportunity for any persons with an\ninterest in computer vision, digital image processing/analysis and other\naspects of pattern recognition to become informed about contemporary\ndevelopments in the area, to exchange ideas, to establish contacts and\nto share details of their own work with others.\n\n The Following invited speakers will provide specialised\npresentations:\n\nProf Gabor T. Herman, University of Pennsylvania on Medical Imaging.\n\nProf. R.M. Hodgson, Massey University New Zealand on Computer Vision.\n\nProf. Dominique Juelin, Centre de Morphologie Mathematique, Paris on\nMathematical Morphology.\n\nProf. John Richards, Aust. Defence Force Academy, Canberra on Remote\nSensing.\n\nDr. Phillip K. Robertson, CSIRO Division of Information Technology,\nCanberra on Interactive Visualisation.\n\n\n The conference will concentrate on (but is not limited to) the\nfollowing areas of image processing:-\n\n * Computer Vision and Object Recognition\n * Motion Analysis\n * Morphology\n * Medical Imaging\n * Fuzzy logic and Neural Networks\n * Image Coding\n * Machine Vision and Robotics\n * Enhancement and Restoration\n * Enhancement and Restoration\n * Visualisation\n * Industrial Applications\n * Software and Hardware Tools\n\n Papers are sought for presentation at the conference and publication\nin the conference proceedings. Submission for peer review should consist\nof an extended abstract of 750-1000 words of doubled spaced text, summarizing the\ntechnical aspects of the paper and any results that will be quoted.\nFinal papers should be limited to no more than 8 pages of text and\nillustrations in camera-ready form.\n\n\n Four (4) copies of the abstract should be sent to:\n\n\n DICTA-93\n C/- Tony Adriaansen\n CSIRO - Division of Wool Technology\n PO Box 7\n Ryde NSW 2112\n Australia\n\n\n\n IMPORTANT DATES\n\n Abstract due - 25th June 1993\n Acceptance notified - 27th August 1993\n Final paper due - 15th October 1993\n\n\n\nSOCIAL PROGRAM:\n\nThe conference dinner will be held on the Thursday 9th of December 1993.\nOther social activities are being arranged.\n\nSituated on a beautiful harbour, Sydney has many and varied places of\ninterest. The Opera House and Harbour Bridge are just two of the well\nknown landmarks. Harbour cruises, city tours to the Blue Mountains run\ndaily. We can provide further information on request.\n\n\nACCOMMODATION:\n\nAccommodation within 15 min walking distance is available, ranging from\ncollege style to 5 star Hotel facilities. Information will be supplied\nupon request.\n\n\nCONFERENCE FEES:\n\n before 30th Sep. After 30th Sep.\nAPRS Members A$220 A$250\nAPRS Student Members A$120 A$150\nOthers A$250 A$280\n\nConference Dinner A$35\non Dec 9th 1993\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n ADVANCED REGISTRATION\n\nName:\nOrganisation:\nAddress\n\nPhone:\nFax:\nemail:\n\n - I am a current Member of APRS.\n\n - I am not a current member of APRS.\n\n - Please send me information on accommodation.\n\n\nI enclose a cheque for\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n\nPlease send the above form to\n\nDICTA-93\nC/- Tony Adriaansen\nCSIRO - Division of Wool Technology\nPO Box 7\nRyde NSW 2112\nAustralia\n\nThe cheques should be made payable to DICTA-93.\n\nFor further information contact:\n* Tony Adriaansen (02) 809 9495\n* Athula Ginigie (02) 330 2393\n* email: dicta93@ee.uts.edu.au\n\nAPRS is a member of IAPP the International Association for Pattern\nRecognition, Inc. An affiliated member of the International Federation\nfor Information Processing.\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta)\nSubject: Re: Fall Comdex '93\nNntp-Posting-Host: jobe\nOrganization: Portal Communications Company\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 20\n\nDLS128@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:\n: Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was\n: asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available. Or, could\n: anyone point me in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated.\n\n\tIt's in Las Vegas (as always) between November 16th and 20th.\n \n\tFor more information contact: The Interface Group\n\t\t\t\t 300 First Avenue\n\t\t\t\t Needham, MA 02194-2722\n\n\tSorry, no phone number available. Consult directory service\n\tin Massachusetts for the number (617, 508 or 413).\n\n\t-- Willy\n--\n * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 ****\n ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 ***\n *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) **\n **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com *\n",
'From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes:\n>\tAre there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why\n>my MR2\'s engine sounds noisy? The MR2\'s engine is noisy at the best of times, \n>but not even a nice nose - it\'s one of those very ugly noises. \n\nassuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of\na large inline 4 that doesn\'t have balance shafts. i guess toyota\ndidn\'t care about "little" details like that when they can brag about\nthe mid engine configuration and the flashy styling.\n\nmyself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or\nrecommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no\nbalance shafts.. it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you\never want a halfway decent engine. \n\nif the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do\nexcept to sell it and get a V6.\n\n\neliot\n',
'From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)\nSubject: Re: How much should I pay for a SCSI cable (with 3 or 4 connectors)?\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA\nLines: 21\n\nIn <T83y2B1w164w@hub.parallan.com> danj@hub.parallan.com (Dan Jones) writes:\n| > >Also, I seem to remember a posting saying that the SCSI spec calls for\n| > >1 foot between devices on the cable, but most cables you get (internal)\n| > >don\'t meet the spec.\n| \n| SCSI II Draft Proposal, Rev. 10h, Section 4.2.1: Single-Ended \n| cable, which is in the Cable Requirements Section, has an \n| implementor\'s note: " Stub clustering should be avoided. Stubs \n| should be spaced at least 0.3 meters apart."\n| \n| For the non-technical, stubs are SCSI devices. :-)\n\nHowever, also be aware that Implementor\'s notes are basicly\nrecommendations, they are *NOT* part of the spec. As others have\nnoted, many vendors (including SGI) violate this. Indeed, the main\npoint is to reduce impedance changes, and therefore reflections, and\ntherefore \'noise\' on the bus.\n--\nLet no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson\nbecause whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc.\n Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com\n',
'From: ralph@spss.com (Ralph Brendler)\nSubject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1\nOrganization: SPSS, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1qv1rc$fcp@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) writes:\n> Hi all,\n> \n> has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory,\n> after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ?\n> \n> Seems to me, that BWC isn\'t able to distinguish pointers to overloaded\n> functions.\n> For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions:\n> void same_name ( void ) \n> void same_name ( int )\n> \n> After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the\n> adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined\n> function pointer. \n> Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ?\n> \n> \tthanx\n\nI think you may be chasing the wrong problem. I don\'t think it is the\nfunction overloading at all-- I do that sort of thing all of the time\nin BC++ without a hitch. The big problems I have encountered in\nporting MFC to BC++ is that fact that MFC _depends_ on a couple of\ninvalid C++ assumptions.\n\nI have never gotten the _entire_ ctrltest app to run under BC++, but\nthe reason is that MS makes some bad assumptions about the order in\nwhich static/global objects are initialized (i.e. some objects are\ngetting accessed before they are initialized). The problem is in the\nowner-draw menu code somewhere-- if you comment out that section, all\nother pieces of ctrltest work fine.\n\nTwo other major gotchas I have found using MFC under BC++:\n\n- The CFile::OpenFlags enum uses hard-coded numbers for the open mode,\n rather than the manifest constants defined in fcntrl.h (which differ\n between MSC and BC).\n\n- All of the MFC collection classes depend on another bad C++\n assumption-- that a reference to a base object can used be in place\n of a reference to a derived object (true for pointers, NOT for\n references).\n\nI am sure there are other problems along the same lines, but I have\nnot encountered them (yet). I have not seen MFC 2.0 yet, but I hope\nthat some of these will be addressed. If they are not, all of MS\'s\nhype about portability to other vendor\'s compilers will be just that.\n\n-- \n If these were my employer\'s opinions, I wouldn\'t be posting them.\n###############################################################################\n "Whoever said nothing lasts forever was obviously # R. Brendler\n NOT a Cubs fan..." - Mike Royko # SPSS, Inc. - Chicago IL\n',
'From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: Fonts in POV??\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 57\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\nKeywords: fonts, raytrace\n\n\nIn article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au>, g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) writes:\n|> \n|> \n|> \tI have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it \n|> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image.\n|> The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with\n|> them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV??\n|> \n\nHi Noel,\n\nI\'ve made some attempts to write a converter that reads Adobe Type 1 fonts,\ntriangulates them, bevelizes them and extrudes them to result in a generic\n3d object which could be used with PoV f.i.\n\nThe problem I\'m currently stuck on is that theres no algorithm which\ntriangulates any arbitrary polygonal shape. Delaunay seems to be limited\nto convex hulls. Constrained delaunay may be okay, but I have no code\nexample of how to do it.\n\nAnother way to do the bartman may be\n\n- TGA2POV\n- A selfmade variation of this, using heightfields.\n\n Create a b/w picture (BIG) of the text you need, f.i. using a PostScript\n previewer. Then, use this as a heightfield. If it is white on black,\n the heightfield is exactly the images white parts (it\'s still open\n on the backside). To close it, mirror it and compound it with the original.\n\nExample:\n\nobject {\n union {\n height_field { gif "abp2.gif" }\n height_field { gif "abp2.gif" scale <1 -1 1>}\n }\n texture {\n Glass\n }\n translate <-0.5 0 -0.5> //center\n rotate <-90 0 0> // rotate upwards\n scale <10 5 100> // scale bigger and thicker\n translate <0 2 0> // final placement\n}\n\n\nabp2.gif is a GIF of arbitrary size containing "ABP" black on white in\nTimes-Roman 256 points.\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o | \\\\\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |\n| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |\n| o | Andre\' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n',
'From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: Goalie Mask Update\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 19\nNntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes:\n>\n>\tHere are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for \n>1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if\n>the guy isn\'t a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! \n>Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes!\n\n> Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA).\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nSoderstrom plays with Philly, but he doesn\'t have a moulded mask.\nHe\'s got the helmet and cage variety, in white. Or at least that\'s\nwhat he wore thirteen hours ago.\n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\t"Some days I have to remind him he\'s not \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\tMario Lemieux." Herb Brooks on Claude\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tLemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties.\n',
'From: mcole@spock (COLE)\nSubject: 8051 Microcontroller\nOrganization: New Mexico State University\nLines: 3\nNNTP-Posting-Host: spock.nmsu.edu\n\nI would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out \nthere know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, \netc.?\n',
"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: ATARI 2600 Processors\nLines: 12\n\nDoes anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th\ne pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have\nany idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor\ntant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available\n, or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very\n important.. Thanks a million...\n\nBTW- Anyone who works/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i\nnfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks\nalot!!\n\n-Peter\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and...\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <2BAC23FF.25215@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n>There was no such letter in the Chronicle on that date, or at any other time.\n\nIs this a figment of your imagination? Here is another one:\n\n\n Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"\n\n Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately \n forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi \n collaboration.\n\n A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft\n is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The \n magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany\n and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the\n magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,\n is attention-getting.\n\n This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically\n important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be\n an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. \n\n In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain\n political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They \n occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.\n The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered \n "Aryan" and what befell them.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: iisakkil@gamma.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nIn-Reply-To: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu\'s message of 17 Apr 1993 14:05:06 -0400\nNntp-Posting-Host: gamma.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\n\t<1qpgsiINN31p@diplodocus.cis.ohio-state.edu>\nLines: 15\n\nrubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes:\n>How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular \n>Motorola microcontrollers.\n\nNot hard, you can do the refreshing and access cycles by software, but\nthis hogs most of the available CPU cycles on a low-end controller.\nI\'ve seen some application note from Philips that used one of their\n8051 derivatives as a printer buffer, with up to 1MB of dynamic ram\nthat was accessed and refreshed with software bit-banging.\n\nAnother alternative would be to use one of those nice DRAM controller\nchips that "create static RAM appearance" and all that, but they may\nbe too expensive to make it worthwhile.\n--\nSegmented Memory Helps Structure Software\n',
"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 41\n\n\nAs the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of \nlate. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every \nday. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I \ncan't reproduce crashes, and they are not always GPF's in the same \napplication. Sometimes I can recover by simply closing the application \nthat caused an error, but other times, windows acts very strange, and I \nneed to re-boot.\n\nSome background: I have a Leading Edge 486sx25 with Phoenix BIOS. When I \nfirst got it it had 4Mg of memory. It ran windows fine (not too many \nGPF's). Then, a couple of weekends ago, I installed Lotus 123 for windows \n(with ATM), a game card and an additional 4 1Mg SIMMS. The Leading edge \nmachine is kind of strange, in that it has the IDE controler built into \nthe motherboard, the CPU is actually on a sparate board that plugs into \nthe motherboard and the SIMMS it uses are Macintosh SIMMS! Apparently I \nwas told that the Leading Edge had the parity bit built into the mother \nboard. The original 4Mg 80ns SIMMS where of the 2 chip variety from \nSAMSUNG, and the ones I installed are 8 chip SIMMS. They are recognized \nfine by the BIOS RAM check. The game card is a generic $20 gamecard.\n\nThe reason why I mention the hardware like this is that sometimes \nrebooting the machine using the reset button or ctl-alt-del still leaves \nthe machine kind of flaky, but turning it on and off doesn't. \n\nI haven't tried taking out the RAM or the game card, because as I said \nthese GPF are not reproducible at will. I have gone through and entire \nday using the computer with no problems and then I might get 5 or so GPF's \nin the sppace of 20 minutes?\n\nWhat can I do. This situation is most annoying... Are there any good \ndiagnostic tools for hardware? Do you think that this might be a software \nproblem (ie EMM386 etc.)? If it helps, i have manage to get GPF's on After \nDark, quicken, Paint shop pro. A lot of them have been in user.exe or \ngdi.exe.\n\nAny help is truly appreciated.....\n\n-Eric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n",
'From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)\nSubject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:\n\nA note to users of Plexi-Fairings:\n\nIf the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing \nglass and will melt a hole in your guage pod! \n\n ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----\n\n Stolen Taglines...\n * God is real, unless declared integer. *\n * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *\n * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *\n * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *\n * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *\n',
"From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)\nSubject: Re: bikes with big dogs\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:\n>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride \n>on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.\n>\tThanks\n>\t\t\t84wendel@cua.edu\n>\n\nOn the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy \nthat can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar.\nOf course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke)\n\n\n________________________________________________________________________\nNick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817\n '88CBR1000 '89CBR600\n coburnn@spot.colorado.edu\n________________________________________________________________________\n\n\n",
'From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen)\nSubject: Reserve officers say demographics ignored in nominations to close naval, marine reserve centers\nOrganization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366\nLines: 53\n\nHere is a press release from the Reserve Officers Association.\n\n Reserve Officers Say Demographics Ignored in Nominations to\nClose Naval, Marine Reserve Centers\n To: National Desk, Defense Writer\n Contact: Herbert M. Hart of the Reserve Officers Association of\n the United States, 202-479-2258\n\n WASHINGTON, April 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Reserve Officers\nAssociation of the United States has alerted the Defense Base\nRealignment and Closure Commission that the services failed to give\nsufficient weight to demographics in recommendations made to close\n56 Naval and Marine Corps Reserve centers.\n In letters to the closure commission and to all 86 members of\nCongress with affected locations in their constituencies, including\nSen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services\nCommittee, ROA charged that the developers of the Navy-Marine list\nignored demographics of the civilian population, particularly prior\nservice personnel.\n ROA\'s executive director, Maj. Gen. Evan L. Hultman, AUS (Ret.),\nsuggested "concern that the only plausible alternative is that they\nare intentionally attempting to foreclose the Naval Reserve\ncomponents from maintaining even today\'s relatively low level of\nparticipation in their parent service\'s Total Force of the future."\n He asked the commission "to remove from consideration all\nlocations without sufficient and convincing demographic data to\nwarrant approval of the requested action."\n "Only a few of the 56 Naval and Marine Corps Reserve\ninstallations on this list are large enough to have a significant\nimpact on the community, if closed," wrote Hultman. "The major\nissue is the cumulative impact of moving or closing such a large\npercentage of the existing locations."\n Hultman reminded the commission, "The fact that the vast\nmajority of the Reserve installations on this list do not come\nclose to meeting the minimal requirements for consideration in this\nprocess certainly supports the thesis" that these actions are\nsimply an attempt to foreclose a substantial role for the Navy and\nMarine Corps Reserve.\n ROA also noted "that at the end of the 1960s, when the number of\nNaval Reservists was approximately the same as today, there were 480\nNaval Reserve facilities. If the Navy recommendations are\napproved, there will be less than 200 Naval Reserve facilities."\n Facilities on the list include seven Naval Air Stations ranging\nfrom South Weymouth, Mass., to Alameda, Calif., 28 Naval\nReserve Centers in Macon, Ga., and Parkersburg, W.Va., to\nMissoula and Great Falls. Mont. Naval/Marine Corps Reserve\nCenters include four in San Francisco, Fort Wayne, Ind.,\nBillings, Mont., and Abilene, Texas.\n A major Marine Reserve Center on the list is that at El\nToro, Calif., plus six others.\n -30-\n-- \nNigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ndallen@r-node.hub.org\n',
'From: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk (Bill Hodgson)\nSubject: Re: waiting for a specific event/callback\nReply-To: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk\nOrganization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: greed\n\nIn article 9610@charon.cwi.nl, huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker) writes:\n..deleted...\n\nIn plain Motify using a dialog \'in-line\' like this simply isn\'t done. You need\nto set callbacks from the buttons/widgets in your dialog and let the callback routines\ndo the work. In the callbacks you can then carry on the flow of logic. \n\nXView from Sun actually supports this very neatly with a \'Notify\' box, which can\nreturn a status in-line, it does actualy ease coding but goes against the event\ndriven style of an application.\n\nSummary: Redesign required.\n\n\n---\n _/ _/ _/ _/ "Delta hedging a long option position also\n _/ _/ _/\t generates a short gamma exposure and any return\n _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/\t generated from delta hedging options can be thought\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/\t of as compensation for assuming gamma risk"\n_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/\t -- Radioactive investment management... whew!\n',
"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Re: free moral agency\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 11\n\n: Are you saying that their was a physical Adam and Eve, and that all\n: humans are direct decendents of only these two human beings.? Then who\n: were Cain and Able's wives? Couldn't be their sisters, because A&E\n: didn't have daughters. Were they non-humans?\n\nGenesis 5:4\n\nand the days of Adam after he begat Seth were eight hundred years, and\nhe begat sons and daughters:\n\nFelicitations -- Chris Ho-Stuart\n",
"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)\nSubject: Re: Hijaak\nOrganization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 15\n\nHaston, Donald Wayne (haston@utkvx.utk.edu) wrote:\n: Currently, I use a shareware program called Graphics Workshop.\n: What kinds of things will Hijaak do that these shareware programs\n: will not do?\n\nI also use Graphic Workshop and the only differences that I know of are that\nHijaak has screen capture capabilities and acn convert to/from a couple of\nmore file formats (don't know specifically which one). In the April 13\nissue of PC Magazine they test the twelve best selling image capture/convert\nutilities, including Hijaak.\n\nTMC.\n(tmc@spartan.ac.brocku.ca)\n\n\n",
"From: tchen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tsung-Kun Chen)\nSubject: ** Software forsale (lots) **\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\n **** This is a post for my friend, You can either call ****\n **** him J.K Lee (614)791-0748 or Drop me a mail ****\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 39\n\n1. Software publishing SuperBase 4 windows v.1.3 --->$80\n\n2. OCR System ReadRight v.3.1 for Windows --->$65\n\n3. OCR System ReadRight v.2.01 for DOS --->$65\n\n4. Unregistered Zortech 32 bit C++ Compiler v.3.1 --->$ 250\n with Multiscope windows Debugger,\n WhiteWater Resource Toolkit, Library Source Code\n\n5. Glockenspiel/ImageSoft Commonview 2 Windows\n Applications Framework for Borland C++ --->$70\n\n6. Spontaneous Assembly Library With Source Code --->$50\n\n7. Microsoft Macro Assembly 6.0 --->$50\n\n8. Microsoft Windows v.3.1 SDK Documentation --->$125\n\n9. Microsoft FoxPro V.2.0 --->$75\n\n10. WordPerfect 5.0 Developer's Toolkit --->$20\n\n11. Kedwell Software DataBoss v.3.5 C Code Generator --->$100\n\n12. Kedwell InstallBoss v.2.0 Installation Generator --->$35\n\n13. Liant Software C++/Views v.2.1\n Windows Application Framework with Source Code --->$195\n\n14. IBM OS/2 2.0 & Developer's Toolkit --->$95\n\n15. CBTree DOS/Windows Library with Source Code --->$120\n\n16. Symantec TimeLine for Windows --->$90\n\n17. TimeSlip TimeSheet Professional for Windows --->$30\n\n Many More Software/Books Available,Price Negotiable\n",
'From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board)\nSubject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\nNntp-Posting-Host: 138.85.253.85\nOrganization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.\nX-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.\n Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the\n user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.131908.29582@uhura.neoucom.edu> wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) writes:\n>From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\n>Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\n>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:19:08 GMT\n\n>Write a good manual to go with the software. The hassle of\n>photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing\n>the package for only $15. Also, consider offering an inexpensive\n>but attractive perc for registered users. For instance, a coffee\n>mug. You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of\n>dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95.\n\nOr, _documentation_ for the program ;-). A lot of shareware out there is \nvery similar in the approach - send in your money, and you get \ndocumentation, and a free upgrade to the latest version. Perhaps even \nsupport of some small degree. Whatever you want to offer that is "better" \nthan the circulating version.\n\n>You\'re lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use\n>are non-licensed users.\n\nFigure about 50%, as I have seen.\n\n>The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into\n>your price structure. Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad.\n\nIt doesn\'t really hurt legit users. Shareware is still much cheaper than \nthe alternatives.\n\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS-------\n\n ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible.\n\n Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138\n exuptr@exu.ericsson.se "Don\'t let the .se fool you"\n',
"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)\nSubject: Re: Goldwing performance\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 36\n\n/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am Apr 1, 1993 /\nIn article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com\n(R. Craig Dodson) wrote:\n \n> From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in\n> 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes\n> is faster than any of the Harleys listed. \n\n It depreciates much faster, too.\n \n====================================================\nJohn Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona\n All standard disclaimers apply.\n----------\nThe '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah,\nthey depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then\nthey bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for\njust under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost\n16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost.\n\nThink the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure. \nIf that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere\n$2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to\ndepreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of\nthe bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about\nHarleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the\nknocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-) \n\nAccording to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a\nreal dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that\ndoesn't defecate much. =:-] \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGraeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,\n350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n",
'From: horton@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Horton)\nSubject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC!\nNntp-Posting-Host: molbio.cbs.umn.edu\nOrganization: University of Minnesota\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nLines: 3\n\n\nTests suck! Post a real message!\n:^)\n',
'From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Israel does not kill reporters.\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n Anas Omran has claimed that, "the Israelis used to arrest, and\nsometime to kill some of these neutral reporters." The assertion\nby Anas Omran is, of course, a total fabrication. If there is an\nonce of truth iin it, I\'m sure Anas Omran can document such a sad\nand despicable event. Otherwise we may assume that it is another\npiece of anti-Israel bullshit posted by someone whose family does\nnot know how to teach their children to tell the truth. If Omran\nwould care to retract this \'error\' I would be glad to retract the\naccusation that he is a liar. If he can document such a claim, I\nwould again be glad to apologize for calling him a liar. Failing\nto do either of these would certainly show what a liar he is.\n',
'From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <C4vs0G.5ux@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes:\n|> >>Can someone out there explain exactly what the \'trigger\'\n|> >>feature found on oscilloscopes does?\n|> >\n|> \t{ lots og good explanation deleted}\n\n<lots more deleted>\n|> \tIs it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital\n|> scopes. My school has some beauutful 100Mhz HP that are digital with\n|> all the bells and whistles, including soft-keys, which I think are a\n|> loveley touch. ( that is, software keys. ) You don\'t forget that you\n|> are dealing with a computer. Those scopes even with all their\n|> neatness, still make the ickyest looking waves. Lotsa features, but\n|> ugly output. And those are the best digitals I have ever seen. I\'ve\n|> seen a lot of cheaper digitals and they look terrible.\n\nI think the hangup with digital scopes is that you have to know so much\nmore about them and how they work on a scope-by-scope basis, and\nsome of the functions are typically presented, in my opinion,\nin a counter-intuitive fashion (HP has made some strides in their\n54600 series, IMO). Automatic setups are fine for simple,\nrepetitive waveforms, but can give you some crazy results on more\ncomplex events where you need to understand how the scope is\nactually measuring/processing the event. For example, is the scope\nin "equivalent time" or in "real time" sampling mode (equivalent time\nbeing a mode where samples are built-up slowly by adding a delay to\nthe trigger event each sweep)? What was the scope\'s actual sampling\nrate at the time? How is the data being massaged after capture but\nbefore display, etc. One common misconception is the speed of the scope.\n\nIs the HP scope you\'re using really a 100 MHz scope? Or is it a 20 MHz\nsample rate scope (~5 MHz single shot significance) whose front\nend including S/H can support 100 MHz waveforms (important for\nequivalent time sampling)? The 100 MHz input in this case really\nonly helps you when your waveform is repetitive, or on a single\nsample, when you get lucky and hit a transient event during a sample time.\n\nSo, there are a lot more variables in understanding how to get\nuseful information from a digital scope. I prefer an analog scope for\ngeneral use and the digital for events where I need storage for\nlater analysis or comparison, when the event is within the capability\nof the scope. Now, for the price of true 100 MHz digital scopes to\nfall...\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n Intergraph Corp.\n M/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n',
'From: ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran)\nSubject: decoupling caps - onboard\nOrganization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto\nLines: 10\n\n(posted for a friend)\nhello there,\n I would like to know if any one had any experience with having\non-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power\nlines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design.\nany data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers\nare appreciated.\n\nrs\n\n',
'From: bell@hops.larc.nasa.gov (John Bell)\nSubject: Re: Adcom cheap products?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hops.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <mdonahue.15x9@amiganet.chi.il.us> mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes:\n>\n>As for Adcoms Mobil, They are going with amps that canb use Balanced Inputs, a\n>VERY nice toy, but I\'m afraid its goig to push their amps beyound resonable\n>price ranges. especialy because taking advantage of those balanced inputs\n>requires a $120+ RCA to Balanced adapter...\n\nUmm, when I was doing sound reinforcement for a living, I used to get direct boxes (which convert\nunbalanced 1/4" jacks to balanced XLRs) for about $25 each, or a little more for higher\nquality. You\'ll need two for a stereo signal, of course, and a little adapter thingy from \nRadio Sh#$&^t to convert from RCA to 1/4". Total cost should be around $50. You can also buy\ntransformers for quite a bit less and wire them yourself. Total cost there should be under $30.\nYou can get all this stuff from any pro music shop that sells sound reinforcement gear.\nThe benefit? NO noise that you can hear will be generated in the cables going to the component\nwith the balanced inputs, even when you run them in bad places, like next to power lines.\n\n-----\nJohn Bell\nNASA Langley Research Center\nbell@hops.larc.nasa.gov\n\n',
"From: pallis@server.uwindsor.ca (PALLIS DIMITRIOS )\nSubject: Re: Genoa Blitz 24 hits 1600x1200x256 NI !\nLines: 3\n\ni am sorry, but this genoa card does nothing that the ATI ultra plus 2mb\ncan't do, PLUS the ATI costs 330$US street price ....\n\n",
"From: lorne@sun.com (Lorne R. Johnson - Sun IC Region SE)\nSubject: WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 22\nDistribution: ca\nReply-To: lorne@sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: normajean.west.sun.com\n\n\n *****************************\n * WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE *\n *****************************\n\nI have 2 tickets that I can't use (Last pair this year).\n\nSection 109, Row P, Seats 8 & 9\n\nDAY\tDATE\tOPPONENT\tTIME\t\n---\t----\t--------\t----\t\nWED 4/21 Sacremento 7:30\n\nPrice: $45.00 = MY COST\n\nCall or email if you are interested in these tickets.\n\n\nLorne Johnson\nlorne@sun.com\n(408) 562-6003\n\n",
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <C5L0v1.JCv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes:\n> Don\'t forget about the culture. Sadly, we don\'t (as a society) look upon\n> homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot\n> of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged\n> to develop "non-promiscuous" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks\n> put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual\n\nSuch as? Not being able to get married isn\'t a roadblock to a permanent\nrelationship. Lack of a marriage certificate doesn\'t force a couple\nto break up. This is an excuse used by homosexuals because the \nalternative is to ask why they are so much more promiscuous than \nstraights.\n\n> Dan\n\n\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
"From: sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (SYG)\nSubject: Re: AD conversion\nOrganization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility\nLines: 33\n\n>> I am working a data acquisition and analysis program to collect data\n>> from insect sensory organs.\n>> Another alternative is the use of the sound input port.\n>\n>Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit\n>converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps\n>AC-coupled as well?\n\nIt would depend on the requirements of the poster's data, for some\npurposes 1/256 resolution (with or without calibration curve).\n\n\nOtherwise the other possibilities would be:\n\n1) get a digital voltameter with serial output & connect to serial\nport on mac, collect data with some communications program.\n\n2) Buy an A/D chip from Analog devices, Burr-Brown, etc, connect to\na parallel to serial converter, use serial port for acquisition\n(nah. too much soldering and trouble shooting :-)\n\n3) Get a board from National Instruments, Data Translation, Omega,\netal. The finest solution, but possibly the most costly.\n\n\n\nTo the original poster: if the signal is too large, why not\nuse a voltage divider? Two resistors, cost very cheap...\n-- \n\n\t\t\t\t\t-george\n\t\t\t\t\tsukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu\n\t\t\t\t\t212-650-6028\n",
"From: keegan-edward@cs.yale.edu (Edward Keegan)\nSubject: DEC MT 486, Adaptec SCSI, 3COMM conflict\nOrganization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thumper.cf.cs.yale.edu\n\n\nI have a DEC NT 486DX33 that has an Adaptec SCSI controller, hard disk\nand cd-rom drive. When I add a 3COMM Ethernet card (3C503) and reboot\nthe system I receive an error message that a boot device cannot be\nfound. Pull the 3COMM card and reboot, everything is fine. I've moved\nthe controller and 3COMM card to various slots, different positions\n(slot before the controller, slot after the controller) with the\nsame result. DEC hasn't responded to the problem yet. Any help would\nbe appreciated.\n-- \nEdward T. Keegan, Facility Director E-MAIL: keegan@cs.yale.edu\nYale University, Computer Science Department PHONE: 1-203-432-1254\n51 Prospect Street, Room 009 FAX: 1-203-432-0593\nNew Haven, CT 06520\n",
'From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils)\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 18\n\nIn <lrw509f@rpi.edu> wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes:\n\n>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points\n>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can\'t believe people actually put\n>win as first in a tie breaker......\n\nWell I don\'t see any smileys here. I am trying to figure out if the poster\nis a dog or a wordprocessor. Couldn\'t be neither. Both are smarter than\nthis.\n\n"I might not be great in Math"\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n "So many morons...\nrm ...and so little time." \n',
"From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber)\nSubject: Re: Dopson Pitches First Shutout; Red Sox Win 6-0\nOrganization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5r5vt.941@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n>jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:\n\n[deleted]\n\n>\tSomeone told me this game started at 10:05 cdt. Is this true??/ Who\n>in their right mind would go to a game on monday at 11AM????\n\nKeep in mind this was in Massachussetts. Today was Patriots Day, a state\nholiday. I think it might be a floating holiday, but given that the\nMarathon also happens the same day, most people don't go in.\n\n\n-- \n\n#include <std_disclaimer.h>\n\nDan S.\n",
'From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:\n\n>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n\n>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini\n>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution\n>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie\'s\n>>behavior was not completely excusable.\n\n>Why should a fatwa issued by Khomeini be relevant to anyone who\n>doesn\'t live in Iran?\n\nIssued by Khomeini it shouldn\'t be relevant to anyone. But issued\nby an honest and learned scholar of Islam it would be relevant to\nany muslim as it would be contrary to Islamic law which all muslims\nare required to respect.\n\n> Who is it that decides whether Rushdie\'s behavior is excusable? \n\nAnyone sufficiently well versed in Islamic law and capable of reasoning,\nif you are talking about a weak sense of "excuse." It depends on what \nsense of "excuse" you have in mind.\n\n\n> And who cares if you think it is inexcusable?\n\nOnly someone who thinks my opinion is important, obviously.\nObviously you don\'t care, nor do I care that you don\'t care.\n\n\nGregg\n',
"From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu\nSubject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects\nOrganization: Wright State University \nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes:\n>>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications \n>>has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted \n>>sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to \n>>prevent asthma); Vancenase.\n> \n> Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.\n> It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,\n> and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly\n> doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause\n> drowsiness.\n\nIt also gave me lots of problems with joint and muscle pain. Seemed to\ntrigger arthritis-like problems.\n\nSue\n\n> \n> -- \n> Steve Dyer\n> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n",
'From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nOrganization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA\nLines: 21\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1\n\ngtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:\n> Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there \n> that they\'re angling for NREN next,\n\nWhere? I honestly didn\'t see any...\n\n> and the only conceivable meaning of \n> applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they \n> intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. \n\nI disagree, if for no other reason than that there are already other \nstandards in place. Besides, even if they restrict encryption on the NREN, \nwho cares? Most of the Internet is commercial anyway. The NREN is only for \ngeovernment and university research (read the proposals--it\'s a "data \nsuperhighway" for Cray users, not anything having to do with the Internet).\n\n\nAmanda Walker\nInterCon Systems Corporation\n\n\n',
"From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)\nSubject: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nOrganization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\n\n\tHi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager\nplace the window where the create window command tells it,\nregardless of what it may think is right. (my application has\nreason to know better)\n\n\tI don't want to set the override-redirect because I do\nwant all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just\nwant the wm to accept my choice of location.\n\n\tI've tried twm, tvtwm and mwm and they are all\nuncooperative.\n\n\tThanks,\n\t-- Ethan\n\n\n",
"From: jbreed@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed)\nSubject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST\nNntp-Posting-Host: doink\nReply-To: jbreed@ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5ros0.uy@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n|> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about\n|> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent\n|> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible.\n\nWhere does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block\nsunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block\nour view of them either. What am I missing?\n\n\tJim\n",
'From: shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon)\nSubject: Christianity & Atheism: an update\nOrganization: BGSU\nLines: 32\n\nFirst, I would like to thank all who sent me their opinions on the matter\nat hand. All advice was taken to heart, if not directly used. My friend\nfound out about the matter quite accidently. After reading some of my\nmail, I quit from the mail reader & went about my business. I must have\ntrashed my mail improperly, because he got on the same terminal the next\nday & saw my old messages. He thought they were responses to a post he\nplaced in alt.atheism earlier that week, so he read some of them before\nrealizing that they were for me. I got a message from him the next day; he\napologized for reading my mail & said that he did not want to appear to be\na snoop. He said that he would be willing to talk to me about his views &\ndidn\'t mind doing so, especially with a friend. So we did. I neither\nchanged his mind nor did he change mine, as that was not the point. Now he\nknows where I\'m coming from & now I know where he\'s coming from. And all\nthat I can do is pray for him, as I\'ve always done.\n\nI believe the reason that he & I "click" instead of "bash" heads is because\nI see Christianity as a tool for revolution, & not a tool for maintaining\nthe status quo. To be quite blunt, I have more of a reason to reject God\nthan he does just by the fact that I am an African-American female. \nChristianity & religion have been used as tools to separate my people from\nthe true knowledge of our history & the wealth of our contributions to the\nworld society. The "kitchen of heaven" was all we had to look forward to\nduring the slave days, & this mentality & second-class status still exists\ntoday. I, too, have rejected\nan aspect of Christianity----that of the estabished church. Too much\nhypocricy exists behind the walls of "God\'s house" beginning with the\nimages of a white Jesus to that of the members: praise God on Sunday &\nraise hell beginning Monday. God-willing, I will find a church home where\nI can feel comfortable & at-home, but I don\'t see it happening anytime\nsoon.\n\nSherlette \n',
'From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe\nLines: 39\n\nmjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\nmjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don\'t even need to tell people\nmjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first\nmjs>time they try to go round a corner.\n\nkarr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:\nkarr>Are you sure? Remember that you *can* get around corners without\nkarr>countersteering. In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors\nkarr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike\nkarr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight\nkarr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite\nkarr>direction. (I admit I\'ve never actually seen this.)\n\nI\'ve experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...\n\nMy first bike used to track extremely true. Going down the highway,\nI would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas\nsteady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding\nwithout any hands. If I needed to turn, I\'d shift my weight into the\nturn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars!\nGranted, it wouldn\'t turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn\na bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input\nto the bar normally associated with countersteering.\n\nAs I\'ve said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any\ninput they\'re giving to the bar is totally unconscious. Whereas that\nmay be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances,\npossibly for years at a stretch, I can\'t think of anybody who\'d argue\nthat this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar\nin a turn, regardless of what you want to call it.\n\nExcept maybe for Mr. Sixsmith... ;^)\n\nMr. Bill\n-- \n+ Bill Leavitt, #224 + \'82 CBX "White Lightning", \'82 GS850G "Suzibago" +\n+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + \'76 CJ360 "Little Honda", \'68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +\n+ DoD AMA ICOA NIA + \'69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +\n+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +\n',
'From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Help with SIMM configuration\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don\'t care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 22\n\nrcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes:\n\n>Can someone please help me understand the current situation\n>regarding SIMMS?\n\n Sure. I can give is a shot...\n\n>I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.\n>I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.\n>I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.\n>Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?\n\n You need to get the 30-pin simms.\n\n>Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a \n>newer, more powerful system?\n\n If you mean in a "newer, more powerful" Mac system then the answer\nis no. Apple has stated that all new Macs will use the 72-pin SIMMs and\nno longer use the 30-pin SIMMs.\n\n-Hades\n',
'From: JEK@cu.nih.gov\nSubject: John 3:16 paraphrased\nLines: 25\n\nAt the end of a recent (Mon 19 Apr 1993) post, Alastair Thomson\noffers the following "paraphrase" of John 3:16:\n\n "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son,\n to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life."\n\nThe "to die in our place" bothers me, since it inserts into the\nverse a doctrine not found in the original. Moreover, I suspect that\nthe poster intends to affirm, not merely substitution, but forensic\n(or penal) substitution. I maintain that the Scriptures in speaking\nof the Atonement teach a doctrine of Substitution, but not one of\nForensic Substitution.\n\nThose interested in pursuing the matter are invited to send for my\nessays on Genesis, either 4 thru 7 (on this question) or 1 through 7\n(with lead-in). The n\'th essay can be obtained by sending to\nLISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU the\nmessage\n GET GEN0n RUFF\n\n Yours,\n James Kiefer\n\n "Any theologian worth his salt can put anything he wants to say in\nthe form of a commentary on the Book of Genesis" -- Walter Kaufman.\n',
'From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell)\nSubject: Re: "Accepting Jesus in your heart..."\nReply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\nOrganization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman\nLines: 20\n\nstuff deleted ...\n\n> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.\n> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject\n> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. \n \nYour logic is falty. If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we\ndie, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that\nwhile you are alive you enjoy yourself.\n\nI also question your overall motives for posting this article. Why\nwould you waste your presious fews seconds on this earth posting your\nopinon to a group that will generally reject it.\n\nIf you die, never having acepting Christ as your savior, I hope you\nhave a fantastic life that it is all you evver dreamed because it is\nal of heaven you will ever know.\n\nIn Christ\'s Love,\nBryan\n',
'From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous)\nSubject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42\nOrganization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote:\n\n> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF "version number"\n> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its "deep philosophical \n> significance".\n\n> When I first read this, I rotfl. Finally some philosphy in a technical\n> spec. But still I wondered what makes 42 so significant.\n\n> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and rotfl the\n> second time. (After millions of years of calculation, the second-best\n> computer of all time reveals that 42 is the answer to the question\n> about life, the universe and everything)\n\n> Is this actually how they picked the number 42?\n\nYes.\n\n> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from?\n\nI don\'t know where Douglas Adams took it from, but I\'m pretty sure he\'s\nthe one who launched it (in the Guide). Since then it\'s been showing up \nall over the place.\n\n _______________________________\n / _ L* / _ / . / _ /_ "One thing is for sure: The sheep\n / _) /()(/(/)//)) /_ ()(/_) / / Is NOT a creature of the earth."\n / \\_)~ (/ Joachim@kih.no / / \n/_______________________________/ / -The back-masking on \'Haaden II\'\n /_______________________________/ from \'Exposure\' by Robert Fripp.\n',
'From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] "Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: IBM Research\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <N4HY.93Apr5120934@harder.ccr-p.ida.org>, n4hy@harder.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) writes:\n\n|> [1] HOWEVER, I hate economic terrorism and political correctness\n|> worse than I hate this policy. \n\n\n|> [2] A more effective approach is to stop donating\n|> to ANY organizating that directly or indirectly supports gay rights issues\n|> until they end the boycott on funding of scouts. \n\nCan somebody reconcile the apparent contradiction between [1] and [2]?\n\n-- \nRob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641\nIBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598\n',
"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <121415@netnews.upenn.edu> egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi) writes:\n:In article <1993Apr16.222604.18331@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:\n:|> In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes:\n:|> >wrong about the whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the\n:|> \n:|> Why? If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all.\n:|> \n:\n:Aha. That's the part that makes me nervous too. Who gets to decide if\n:I am a threat? Based on appearance? Would someone feel more threatened\n:\nActions determine whether someone presents a threat... and I don't carry a gun\nso much for people, cause I tend to fade if there are any about, but due to \nseveral encounters with formerly domestic dogs... these critters ain't scared\nof folks, and can get aggressive.\n\n:on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun. Softly I backed\n:away, and hiked another 5 miles to get *out of there*. I'll freely admit it here:\n:I'm not afraid of guns; I'm afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry.\n:\nI'd count that as a fear of guns... somebody having the sense to keep their\nweapons maintained isn't as likely to present a threat. The Army taught me to\nclean any weapons DAILY, since they usually need it, regardless of whether \nthey've been used... You'd be amazed how sweaty a holster can get, or how much\ntrail dust will get in it. And I guess you'd be scared of me and my former\nExplorer Post... seems the advisors were National Guard Special Forces grunts,\nand considered it heresy to be out in the woods without a weapon... course, \nusually you wouldn't notice 'em... :) They tended to avoid public scrutiny...\n\n:Of course, that may be the way to solve the solitude problem. Just carry a gun\n:and display it prominently, and one probably won't see most of the other hikers\n:out there, who will be hiding in the woods. 1/2 :-)\n:\n: - Dania\nMy 9mm goes in a hip holster, mixed in with magazine pouches (hold lotsa stuff \nin them), canteens, knives, compasses, and such... Not so easy to notice, in \nthe off chance I decide to be visible... I prefer not to be, since walking \nquietly away from active areas increases the number of non-human type critters\nI see...\n\nJames\n\n\n-- \n********************************************************************************\nJames S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space \ngt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent\n********************************************************************************\n",
'From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)\nSubject: When Is Melido Due Back?\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nDistribution: na\nLines: 6\n\nWhen are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez? His 15 days on\nthe DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? \n\nThanks for any info.\n \n\n',
"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: insect impacts\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 64\n\nI feel childish.\n\nIn article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:\n>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:\n>>>>\n>>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?\n>>>\n>>>Um, the same way people do it on \n>>>horseback\n>>\n>>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway\n>\n>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat\n>flies, thank you.\n\nWho mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph\non your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.\n\n>>>jeeps\n>>\n>>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up\n>\n>then why does it go down?\n\nBecause it wouldn't be a Jeep if it didn't. A friend of mine just bought one\nand it has more warning stickers than those little 4-wheelers (I guess that's\nbecuase it's a big 4 wheeler). Anyway, it's written in about ten places that\nthe windshield should remain up at all times, and it looks like they've made\nit a pain to put it down anyway, from what he says. To be fair, I do admit\nthat it would be a similar matter to drive a windscreenless Jeep on the \nhighway as for bikers. They may participate in this discussion, but they're\nprobably few and far between, so I maintain that this topic is of interest\nprimarily to bikers.\n\n>>>snow skis\n>>\n>>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles\n>\n>So do most helmetless motorcyclists.\n\nNotice how Ed picked on the more insignificant (the lower case part) of the \ntwo parts of the statement. Besides, around here it is quite rare to see \nbikers wear goggles on the street. It's either full face with shield, or \nopen face with either nothing or aviator sunglasses. My experience of \nbicycling with contact lenses and sunglasses says that non-wraparound \nsunglasses do almost nothing to keep the crap out of ones eyes.\n\n>>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets\n>>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?\n>\n>helmetless != goggleless\n\nOk, ok, fine, whatever you say, but lets make some attmept to stick to the\npoint. I've been out on the road where I had to stop every half hour to clean\nmy shield there were so many bugs (and my jacket would be a blood-splattered\nmess) and I'd see guys with shorty helmets, NO GOGGLES, long beards and tight\nt-shirts merrily cruising along on bikes with no windscreens. Lets be really\nspecific this time, so that even Ed understands. Does anbody think that \nsplattering bugs with one's face is fun, or are there other reasons to do it?\nImage? Laziness? To make a point about freedom of bug splattering?\n\nI've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV\n got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n",
'From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael)\nSubject: FOR SALE: 4-TRACK RECORDER \nOriginator: zmed16@zircon\nOrganization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research\nLines: 11\n\n\n\nI have a Fostex X-26 4-Track Recorder for sale. It is in excellent condition\nand includes Dolby Noise Reduction, sub-mixing, 6 inputs and uses normal cassettes. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to:\n\n\tzmed16@trc.amoco.com\n\nThanks,\n\nMike\n \n',
'From: dfitts@carson.u.washington.edu (Douglas Fitts)\nSubject: Re: RA treatment question\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\neulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) writes:\n\n>I\'m assuming that you mean Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA). I\'ve never heard \n>of the "cold treatment" you mentioned. I can\'t imagine how it would \n>work, since most of us who have Rh.Arthr./RA seem to have more problems\n>in cold weather than in warm weather. Would be interested to hear more!\n>Z\n>Z\n\n\nNo, obviously talking about Research Assistants. I favor a high protein,\nlow fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours\nof sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise \nmixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with \nlowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and \nevery three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale\nand free pretzels. Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed \nhas more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm.\n\nDoug Fitts\ndfitts@u.washington.edu\n\n\n\n',
'From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino)\nSubject: Dbase IV for sale (price reduced!)\nNntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 4\n\nDbase IV 1.5 for sale, 3.5 inch disks, all registration included (so you\ncan upgrade to 2.0 if you want), manuals still shrinkwrapped, disks only\nopened to verify they all work. Asking $175 or best offer.\n\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Cold-blooded slaughter of Muslim women and children by Armenians.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 91\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.011112.27439@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:\n\n>Hmm. Maybe I\'ll go rent Midnight Express tonight. I haven\'t seen that \n>scene in awhile; I have to savor the moment all over again.\n\nWell, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, \nthe fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted \nand participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because \nof race, religion and national origin?\n\nAs in the past in Turkiye, and today in Azerbaijan, for utopic and \nidiotic causes the Armenians brought havoc to their neighbors. A \nshort-sighted and misplaced nationalistic fervor with a wrong agenda \nand anachronistic methods the Armenians continue to become pernicious \nfor the region. As usual, they will be treated accordingly by their \nneighbors. Nagorno-Karabag is a mountainous enclave that lies completely \nwithin Azerbaijan with no border or history whatsoever connected to \nx-Soviet Armenia. Besides the geographical aspect, Nagorno-Karabag is \nthe historic homeland and the \'cradle\' of the artistic and literary \nheritage of Azerbaijan, which renders the Armenian claims preposterous, \neven lunatic. \n\nAnd we still demand:\n\n1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian \ndictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;\n\n2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and\nKurdish people;\n\n3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their\nheinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;\n\n4. that all world governments officially recognize the Turkish Genocide \nand Turkish territorial rights and refuse to succumb to all Armenian \npolitical pressure.\n\nThe awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the\nefforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first \ngenocide of the 20th century as a positive step. \n\nNow what would you do? \n\nSource: \'The Sunday Times,\' 1 March 1992 (a British Weekly, written by \n Thomas Goltz, from Agdam, Azerbaijan.)\n\n ARMENIAN SOLDIERS MASSACRE HUNDREDS OF FLEEING FAMILIES.\n\n The spiralling violence gripping the outer republics of the former\nSoviet Union gained new impetus yesterday with cold-blooded slaughter of\nhundreds of women and children in war-racked Nagorno-Karabakh.\n Survivors reported that Armenian soldiers shot and bayoneted more\nthan 450 Azeris, many of them women and children, who were fleeing an\nattack on their town. Hundreds, possibly thousands, were missing and\nfeared dead.\n The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending\nthe women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified\nrefugees. The few survivors later described what happened:" That\'s when\nthe real slaughter began," said Azer Hajiev, one of three soldiers to\nsurvive. "The Armenians just shot and shot. And then they came in and\nstarted carving up people with their bayonets and knives."\n " They were shooting, shooting, shooting", echoed Rasia Aslanova, who\narrived in Agdam with other women and children who made their way through\nArmenian lines. She said her husband, Kayun, and a son-in-law were killed\nin front of her. Her daughter was still missing.\n One boy who arrived in Agdam had an ear sliced off.\n\n The survivors said 2000 others, some of whom had fled separately,\nwere still missing in the gruelling terrain; many could perish from their\nwounds or the cold.\n By late yesterday, 479 deaths had been registered at the morgue in\nAgdam\'s morgue, and 29 bodies had been buried in the cemetery. Of the\nseven corpses I saw awaiting burial, two were children and three were\nwomen, one shot through the chest at point blank range.\n Agdam hospital was a scene of carnage and terror. Doctors said they\nhad 140 patients who escaped slaughter, most with bullet injuries or deep\nstab wounds.\n Nor were they safe in Agdam. On friday night rockets fell on the city\nwhich has a population of 150,000, destroying several buildings and\nkilling one person.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1r6rn3INNn96@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:\n>You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know \n>of a private Titan pad? \n\nYou'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff *if* you assume\nno new launcher development. If you assume new launcher development, with\nlower costs as a specific objective, then you probably don't want to\nbuild something HLV-sized anyway.\n\nNobody who is interested in launching things cheaply will buy Titans. It\ndoesn't take many Titan pricetags to pay for a laser launcher or a large\ngas gun or a development program for a Big Dumb Booster, all of which\nwould have far better cost-effectiveness.\n",
'From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: free moral agency\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <house.734841689@helios>, house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:\n|> marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) writes:\n|> \n|> >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes:\n|> \n|> >> you might think "oh yeah. then why didn\'t god destroy it in the bud \n|> >>before it got to the point it is now--with millions through the \n|> >>ages suffering along in life?"\n|> >> the only answer i know is that satan made the claim that his way was \n|> >>better than God\'s. God is allowing satan the chance to prove that his way \n|> >>is better than God\'s. we all know what that has brought. \n|> \n|> >Come on! God is allowing the wishes of one individual to supercede the\n|> >well-being of billions? I seriously doubt it. Having read the Bible\n|> >twice, I never got the impression that God and Satan were working in some\n|> >sort of cooperative arrangement.\n|> \n|> Read the book of Job.\n|> \n\nOh, that was just a bet.\n\n\nBrian /-|-\\ \n',
"From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)\nSubject: Re: Rickey Henderson\nArticle-I.D.: transfer.1psbdn$lru\nReply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA\nLines: 57\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.155118.5779@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu \n(Jiann-ming Su) writes:\n> In article <ls1d6vINNs65@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> \nstr@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes:\n> >Stay in school. You have a lot to learn.\n> \n> Learn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I \nknow \n> Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if \nhe \n> didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is \nnow.\n> \n\nAnd Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be \nmaking near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's\nyour point?\n\n> I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport \nfor a \n> living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough.\n> \n> If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one \nhurting.\n> The A's will still win without him.\n\nWill they? You can't usually take away one of the team's best\nplayers and still expect them to win. Or do you think the \nPirates will continue to win without Barry Bonds.\n\n> \n> Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their \nathletic \n> ability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard \nworking\n> citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay.\n\nSo. Again, Jack Nicholson gets paid much more than most hard\nworking citizens (and much more than Rickey Henderson for that\nmatter). \n\n> \n> I don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is \nwhen the\n> say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3 \nmillion--also,\n> their numbers get worse.\n\nThe reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks\nstart making the real big salaries late in their career, when they\nare on the decline. (There are exceptions, of course. Dave Parker\nfell apart after making his first million because he put most\nof that million up his nose.)\n\n--\nJim Mann \nStratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com \n",
"From: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman)\nSubject: Oak Driver NEEDED (30d studio)\nReply-To: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman)\nLines: 8\nNntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu\n\n\n\tHi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the\n\tOak card with 1 M of RAM.\n\tThis would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated\n\n\tMaybe I should have just gotten a more well know card.\nthanks\nseth@acpub.duke.edu\n",
'From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu\nSubject: RE: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1?\nOrganization: Marquette University - Computer Services\nLines: 12\nReply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu\n\n\n\tOk, then where is the info for the Licensing kept? Which file? In the\norganization box I put my address, and when I moved, I wanted to change it, but\ncouldn\'t find it. I could find my name, but not the organization.\n\n ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I |\n ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major|\n ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu |\tMilwaukee, WI |\n ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \n',
"From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca\nSubject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christiani\nOrganization: Laurentian University\nLines: 27\n\n> Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should \n> \n> ck \n> out: \n> Romans 1:27\n> I Corinthians 6:9 \n> I Timothy 1:10\n> Jude 1:7 \n> II Peter 2:6-9\n> Gen. 19\n> Lev 18:22\n> (to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality)\n> In Christ's Love,\n> Bryan Whitsell\n\nI was waiting for this. I think your question should be rephrased. The many\nverses of the Bible which condem homosexuality (by our beliefs) have been\nshoved down the throats of homosexuals for a long time by (well-meaning?)\nChristians. The question is how do they interpret these verses. Any discussion\nof any issue (this or any other issue) requires a proof of your case as well\nas a disproof of the opposing view. We are already familiar with those verses\nand many have proven to themselves that these condem homosexual behaviour. We\nmust now establish reasons for not believing this to be true based on the\ninterpretation of these scriptures given by someone who has come to grips with\nthem.\n\nTodd...\n",
"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: HYPOGLYCEMIA\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 31\n\n anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) writes:\n\nA(> Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is\nA(> dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the\nA(> other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood\nA(> test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo-\nA(> glycemic? TIA.\nA(> \nA(> \nA(> Anthony Anello\nA(> Fermilab\nA(> Batavia, Illinois\n\n Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the proper \n channels, you might consider ther following:\n\n 1) Chelated Manganese 25-50mg/day.\n 2) Chelated Chromium 400-600mcg/day.\n 3) Increase protein through foods or supplements.\n 4) Avoid supplements/foods high in Potassium, Calcium, Zinc.\n 5) Avoid Vit C supplements in excess of 100mg.\n 6) Avoid honey and foods high in simple sugars.\n 7) Enjoy breads, cereals, grains...\n\n Discuss the above with your health practitioner for compatibility\n with your body chemistry and safety.\n\n --Ron--\n---\n RoseReader 2.00 P003228: BEER - It's not just for breakfast anymore.\n RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n",
'From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)\nSubject: NL OPI through first week+\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 184\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nHere is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all NL players with at\nleast 10 at-bats.\n\nIt is early in the season so there are some high numbers. Barry Bonds\nfinished last season at 0.795.\n\nI welcome comments and suggestions.\n\nKevin\n\nLeague OPI: 0.410\nLeague BA: 0.252\nLeague SLG: 0.375\nLeague OBA: 0.321\n\nRank Player OPI BA SLG OBA\n-----------------------------------------------------\n1 Phi,daulton 1.101 0.333 0.875 0.515\n2 Phi,kruk 1.069 0.429 0.821 0.529\n3 Cub,grace 1.007 0.452 0.742 0.514\n4 Cub,may 0.931 0.389 0.889 0.421\n5 Col,boston 0.888 0.545 0.545 0.545\n6 Pit,bell 0.873 0.429 0.714 0.467\n7 Col,galarraga 0.867 0.458 0.708 0.458\n8 StL,pena 0.833 0.400 0.600 0.516\n9 StL,zeile 0.811 0.440 0.560 0.500\n10 Cin,mitchell 0.810 0.429 0.643 0.467\n11 Mon,lansing 0.792 0.419 0.677 0.438\n12 Pit,slaught 0.754 0.474 0.526 0.474\n13 Mon,vanderwal 0.746 0.389 0.556 0.476\n14 NYM,tfernandez 0.709 0.300 0.400 0.500\n15 SnF,martinez 0.697 0.300 0.400 0.500\n16 Hou,bagwell 0.695 0.367 0.567 0.424\n17 Col,hayes 0.686 0.333 0.667 0.364\n18 Col,eyoung 0.682 0.333 0.500 0.407\n19 Mon,alou 0.675 0.371 0.600 0.389\n20 Cin,milligan 0.659 0.333 0.375 0.515\n21 Phi,dykstra 0.646 0.214 0.571 0.405\n22 SnF,bonds 0.624 0.280 0.680 0.333\n22 Flo,conine 0.624 0.393 0.393 0.469\n24 SnD,plantier 0.603 0.286 0.571 0.375\n25 Hou,gonzalez 0.596 0.296 0.667 0.296\n26 Hou,anthony 0.594 0.320 0.480 0.414\n27 Col,cole 0.579 0.318 0.409 0.400\n28 Atl,sanders 0.576 0.357 0.643 0.357\n29 Mon,berry 0.566 0.273 0.273 0.500\n30 Cub,sosa 0.558 0.303 0.545 0.343\n31 StL,jefferies 0.551 0.269 0.692 0.296\n32 Pit,vanslyke 0.549 0.296 0.444 0.387\n33 *Montreal 0.548 0.312 0.490 0.367\n34 Los,butler 0.545 0.296 0.333 0.457\n35 Mon,grissom 0.542 0.333 0.455 0.371\n36 Pit,king 0.536 0.308 0.346 0.438\n37 SnD,gwynn 0.533 0.280 0.400 0.379\n38 Pit,merced 0.532 0.300 0.400 0.391\n39 NYM,murray 0.521 0.308 0.462 0.357\n40 StL,gilkey 0.514 0.312 0.438 0.353\n41 NYM,bonilla 0.507 0.292 0.417 0.370\n42 SnD,walters 0.501 0.300 0.500 0.333\n43 Cub,wilson 0.497 0.323 0.452 0.344\n44 Flo,weiss 0.492 0.261 0.348 0.433\n45 *Philadelphia 0.487 0.243 0.431 0.348\n46 Atl,justice 0.480 0.207 0.448 0.361\n47 *Pittsburgh 0.479 0.292 0.428 0.351\n48 StL,osmith 0.476 0.310 0.448 0.355\n49 Phi,incaviglia 0.473 0.250 0.500 0.308\n50 Pit,young 0.470 0.286 0.500 0.310\n51 *StLouis 0.467 0.275 0.445 0.344\n52 *Colorado 0.459 0.287 0.426 0.327\n53 NYM,hundley 0.458 0.300 0.450 0.333\n54 NYM,orsulak 0.454 0.357 0.429 0.400\n55 SnF,benjamin 0.440 0.200 0.500 0.273\n56 Atl,gant 0.438 0.214 0.464 0.333\n56 *NYMets 0.438 0.261 0.345 0.356\n58 *Houston 0.436 0.260 0.415 0.318\n59 Mon,pitcher 0.434 0.312 0.375 0.353\n60 Phi,morandini 0.433 0.240 0.360 0.321\n61 Hou,cedeno 0.427 0.280 0.440 0.308\n62 Cin,sabo 0.423 0.226 0.452 0.273\n63 SnF,manwaring 0.413 0.261 0.435 0.292\n64 *SnFrancisco 0.412 0.253 0.396 0.315\n65 Atl,blauser 0.409 0.276 0.310 0.364\n66 SnF,thompson 0.408 0.278 0.389 0.316\n66 Hou,caminiti 0.408 0.259 0.481 0.286\n68 Flo,barberie 0.405 0.267 0.267 0.371\n69 Mon,cordero 0.400 0.276 0.345 0.323\n70 SnD,sheffield 0.397 0.241 0.448 0.267\n71 Los,karros 0.392 0.259 0.296 0.355\n72 SnF,williams 0.391 0.226 0.452 0.250\n72 SnD,mcgriff 0.391 0.192 0.385 0.276\n74 Flo,destrade 0.390 0.267 0.333 0.333\n75 Col,girardi 0.388 0.238 0.381 0.304\n76 Atl,bream 0.386 0.182 0.409 0.250\n77 Mon,wood 0.385 0.200 0.300 0.333\n78 Flo,santiago 0.384 0.200 0.360 0.286\n79 Phi,thompson 0.383 0.227 0.273 0.320\n80 SnF,clayton 0.382 0.345 0.379 0.345\n80 Los,piazza 0.382 0.304 0.391 0.333\n82 SnD,bell 0.378 0.273 0.364 0.304\n83 Los,wallach 0.374 0.200 0.400 0.273\n84 Cin,larkin 0.367 0.281 0.281 0.361\n85 Pit,garcia 0.366 0.273 0.318 0.304\n85 *Cincinnati 0.366 0.256 0.319 0.326\n87 NYM,coleman 0.363 0.259 0.259 0.310\n88 NYM,kent 0.362 0.190 0.286 0.320\n89 StL,whiten 0.361 0.240 0.360 0.321\n90 Cin,roberts 0.359 0.278 0.278 0.333\n90 *Cubs 0.359 0.236 0.366 0.277\n92 SnF,lewis 0.354 0.227 0.364 0.261\n92 Hou,finley 0.354 0.214 0.250 0.312\n92 Col,clark 0.354 0.250 0.350 0.286\n95 Los,pitcher 0.350 0.286 0.357 0.286\n95 *SnDiego 0.350 0.219 0.357 0.268\n97 Atl,lemke 0.345 0.200 0.240 0.333\n98 *LosAngeles 0.339 0.221 0.275 0.311\n99 SnF,mcgee 0.335 0.267 0.300 0.333\n99 *Atlanta 0.335 0.199 0.308 0.287\n101 Cin,sanders 0.334 0.267 0.333 0.290\n101 Cin,oliver 0.334 0.208 0.208 0.345\n103 SnD,gardner 0.332 0.238 0.333 0.273\n103 Los,reed 0.332 0.276 0.276 0.323\n105 Phi,hollins 0.327 0.226 0.290 0.294\n106 *Florida 0.326 0.226 0.268 0.311\n107 Los,davis 0.325 0.188 0.219 0.278\n108 Atl,pendleton 0.322 0.212 0.273 0.297\n109 SnF,clark 0.316 0.161 0.290 0.257\n110 Los,strawberry 0.314 0.111 0.185 0.314\n110 Hou,biggio 0.314 0.179 0.214 0.303\n112 Phi,bell 0.304 0.182 0.364 0.217\n113 Flo,magadan 0.303 0.182 0.182 0.357\n114 StL,pagnozzi 0.299 0.158 0.316 0.238\n115 Pit,martin 0.295 0.167 0.417 0.167\n115 Col,bichette 0.295 0.222 0.389 0.222\n117 Hou,taubensee 0.294 0.190 0.333 0.227\n118 Mon,bolick 0.292 0.250 0.312 0.250\n119 Flo,pose 0.291 0.258 0.323 0.303\n120 Mon,cianfrocco 0.287 0.188 0.375 0.188\n121 NYM,johnson 0.274 0.136 0.136 0.296\n122 Cin,kelly 0.272 0.250 0.333 0.270\n123 Atl,nixon 0.256 0.185 0.222 0.241\n124 NYM,pitcher 0.255 0.167 0.250 0.231\n125 Pit,pitcher 0.250 0.222 0.278 0.222\n126 Cub,buechle 0.231 0.154 0.192 0.241\n127 StL,lankford 0.225 0.133 0.133 0.316\n128 Atl,olson 0.224 0.150 0.150 0.261\n129 Cub,vizcaino 0.217 0.148 0.259 0.179\n130 Cub,sanchez 0.212 0.188 0.219 0.212\n131 Phi,duncan 0.202 0.214 0.214 0.214\n132 Los,offerman 0.198 0.182 0.182 0.250\n133 SnF,pitcher 0.197 0.176 0.235 0.176\n134 Mon,laker 0.183 0.133 0.267 0.133\n135 Phi,chamberlain 0.180 0.111 0.111 0.200\n136 SnD,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182\n136 Atl,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182\n138 Phi,pitcher 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158\n139 Cub,maldonado 0.150 0.105 0.158 0.150\n140 Flo,felix 0.148 0.172 0.207 0.172\n141 Cin,espy 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182\n142 StL,jordan 0.140 0.105 0.211 0.105\n143 Atl,berryhill 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091\n144 Cub,pitcher 0.126 0.111 0.111 0.158\n145 SnD,shipley 0.122 0.087 0.174 0.087\n146 StL,pitcher 0.106 0.125 0.125 0.125\n147 Hou,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067\n147 Col,benavides 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067\n147 Cin,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067\n150 Cub,wilkins 0.038 0.000 0.000 0.067\n151 Flo,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000\n151 Col,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000\n\n 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS)\nOPI = ----------------------------------------------------------------\n AB - H\n\nBA = H / AB\n\nSLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB\n\nOBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)\n-- \nJet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu\n4800 Oak Grove Dr. | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov\nM/S 525-3684 |\nPasadena, CA 91109 |\n',
"From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)\nSubject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X\nReply-To: slc@.cdc.com\nOrganization: Metaphase Technology, Inc.\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.170922.1911@odetics.com>, dale@odetics.com (Dale Pischke) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:\n>>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this\n>>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on \n>>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors\n>>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup.\n>\n>I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows.\n>A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the\n>24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers,\n>I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later\n>versions that I'm unaware of...\n>\n\nVersion 2.03 drivers are current.\n-- \nSteve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com \nMetaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice)\n4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax)\nArden Hills, MN 55126\n",
'From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)\nSubject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH.....\nOrganization: Encore Computer Corp.\nIn-Reply-To: ericm@microunity.com\'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:22:22 GMT\n\t<1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com>\nNntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com\nLines: 23\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:\n\n Watch out. Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means\n that they were or are looking to steal the bike. In my case, I\n had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an\n apartment carport and not visible from the street. They evidently\n decided the beemer wasn\'t worth stealing, but did try the next night to\n steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.\n A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.\n\n\nI know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the\nthings that is really good about BMW bikes. From all accounts I\'ve\nheard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto\nGuzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn\'t a large demand\nfor parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems\nthat the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. \n\n--\nJonathan E. Polito \t\t Internet: jpolito@encore.com\nEncore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC 27511 USA\n919-481-3730/voice \t\t\t\t919-481-3868/FAX\n',
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'From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)\nSubject: Quack-Quack (was Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction)\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 69\n\nIn article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:\n\n>Do you believe that any quacks exist? How about quack diagnoses? Is\n>being a "licensed physician" enough to guarantee that someone is not\n>a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack,\n>other people shouldn\'t say so? Can you give an example of a\n>commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis,\n>or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer\n>need to worry about unscrupulous "healers" taking advantage of\n>people.\n\n\nI would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of\nthe squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting\nany treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though "accepted", may\nnot be necessary for the patient at the time. And all for making a quick\nbuck. I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is\nsignificantly inflated by these "quacks of a different color". In fact, I\'d\nsay these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the\ntrue focus of the medical profession. The AMA and the Boards should focus\non these "quacks" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on \'search-and-\ndestroy-missions\' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non-\ntraditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients\nthat traditional/accepted medicine cannot help.\n\n\n***************************************************\nNow to make a general comment on many recent posts:\n***************************************************\n\nLately I\'ve seen the word "quack" bandied about recklessly. When a doctor or\ndoctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical\nsubject in a civilized manner, all he/she has to do is say "quack-quack" and\nsomehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over\non their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience. What do they teach\nyou in medical school - how to throw your authority around?\n\nLet me put it another way to make my point clear: "quack" is a nebulous word\nlacking in any precision. Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand.\nThe indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency; and coming\nfrom any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real\nscary.\n\nBut what do I know, I\'ve already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this\nnewsgroup as being \'anal retentive\', and \'psychotic\'. I look forward to more\nnet.diagnoses. Hey, they\'re free.\n\n\nJon "Quacks \'R Us" Noring\n\n\n(p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on\nthe net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and\ntheories, such as the "yeast theory", should create your own moderated group.\nYou can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you\ncan keep anal-retentives like me out of it.)\n\n-- \n\nCharter Member --->>> INFJ Club.\n\nIf you\'re dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I\'ll send info.\n=============================================================================\n| Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | |\n| JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED\'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE |\n| 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World\'s Best! |\n| Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | |\n=============================================================================\nWho are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That\'s where the action is.\n',
'From: jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella)\nSubject: Re: Is Anyone Using Video For Windows?\nKeywords: Video Windows\nOrganization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science\nDistribution: na\nLines: 4\n\nMy suggestion would be to contact Microsoft about the Video4Windows SDK.\nYou would need to call Developer Services at (800)227-4679 extension 11771\nfrom 6:30am to 5:30pm Pacific time.\n\n',
'From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com\nSubject: Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.062328.19776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, \ndgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:\n\n[...]\n> \n> Wait a minute. You said *never* play a Chamberlain. Since the US\n> *is* playing Chamberlain as far as East Timor is concerned, wouldn\'t\n> that lead you to think that your argument is irrelevant and had nothing\n> to do with the Gulf War? Actually, I rather like your idea. Perhaps\n> the rest of the world should have bombed (or maybe missiled) Washington\n> when the US invaded Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Mexico, Hawaii,\n> or any number of other places.\n\nWait a minute, Doug. I know you are better informed than that. The US \nhas never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know). We liberated Grenada \nfrom the Cubans\tto protect US citizens there and to prevent the completion \nof a strategic air strip. Panama we invaded, true (twice this century). \nVietnam? We were invited in by the government of S. Vietnam. (I guess \nwe "invaded" Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, eh?) Mexico? We have \ninvaded Mexico 2 or 3 times, once this century, but there were no missiles \nfor anyone to shoot over here at that time. Hawaii? We liberated it from \nSpain.\n\nSo if you mean by the word "invaded" some sort of military action where\nwe cross someone\'s border, you are right 5 out of 6. But normally\n"invaded" carries a connotation of attacking an autonomous nation.\n(If some nation "invades" the U.S. Virgin Islands, would they be\ninvading the Virgin Islands or the U.S.?) So from this point of\nview, your score falls to 2 out of 6 (Mexico, Panama).\n\n[...]\n> \n> What\'s a "peace-nik"? Is that somebody who *doesn\'t* masturbate\n> over "Guns\'n\'Ammo" or what? Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik?\n\nNo, it\'s someone who believes in "peace-at-all-costs". In other words,\na person who would have supported giving Hitler not only Austria and\nCzechoslakia, but Poland too if it could have averted the War. And one\nwho would allow Hitler to wipe all *all* Jews, slavs, and political \ndissidents in areas he controlled as long as he left the rest of us alone.\n\n"Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik," you ask? Well, it depends\non what your values are. If you value life over liberty, peace over\nfreedom, then I guess not. But if liberty and freedom mean more to you\nthan life itself; if you\'d rather die fighting for liberty than live\nunder a tyrant\'s heel, then yes, it\'s "bad" to be a peace-nik.\n\nThe problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are\nnot like them to be "bad" and "unconscionable". I would not have any\nargument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and\nstayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with \nthe national defense. But no, they are not willing to allow us to\nlegitimately hold a different point-of-view. They militate and \nmany times resort to violence all in the name of peace. (What rank\nhypocrisy!) All to stop we "warmongers" who are willing to stand up \nand defend our freedoms against tyrants, and who realize that to do\nso requires a strong national defense.\n\nTime to get off the soapbox now. :)\n\n[...]\n> --\n> Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own.\n\nRegards,\n\nJim B.\n',
"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Deification\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.30.35.1993.14329@athos.rutgers.edu> HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes:\n>Aaron Bryce Cardenas writes:\n>After all, what does prophesy mean? Secondly, what is an Apostle? Answer:\n>an especial witness--one who is suppose to be a personal witness. That means\n>to be a true apostle, one must have Christ appear to them. Now lets see\n>when did the church quit claiming ......?\n\nActually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could\nbe called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were\ndesignated and were given power. Remember that there were many\nthousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them\napostles, though.\n\nJoe Fisher\n",
"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race\nOrganization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park\nLines: 13\nReply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu\n\nIn article <C5tEIK.7z9@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n\n>Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited\n>technology base... and on government contracts. Just doing it privately,\n>rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several.\n\nSo how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the\nU.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? \n\n\n\n Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it?\n -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < --\n",
'From: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (weston t)\nSubject: graphical representation of vector-valued functions\nOrganization: SDSU Computing Services\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu\n\ngnuplot, etc. make it easy to plot real valued functions of 2 variables\nbut I want to plot functions whose values are 2-vectors. I have been \ndoing this by plotting arrays of arrows (complete with arrowheads) but\nbefore going further, I thought I would ask whether someone has already\ndone the work. Any pointers??\n\nthanx in advance\n\n\nTom Weston | USENET: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu\nDepartment of Philosophy | (619) 594-6218 (office)\nSan Diego State Univ. | (619) 575-7477 (home)\nSan Diego, CA 92182-0303 | \n',
"From: chico@ccsun.unicamp.br (Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues)\nSubject: New planet/Kuiper object found?\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 28\n\n\n\tTonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object,\nbeyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They\nnamed the object Karla.\n\n\tThe program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and\nshould be composed by rocks and ices.\n\n\tCan someone confirm these information? Could this object be a\nnew planet or a Kuiper object?\n\n\tThanks in advance.\n\n\tFrancisco.\n\n-----------------------=====================================----the stars,----\n| ._, | Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues | o o |\n| ,_| |._/\\ | | o o |\n| | |o/^^~-._ | COTUCA-Colegio Tecnico da UNICAMP | o |\n|/-' BRASIL | ~| | o o o |\n|\\__/|_ /' | Depto de Processamento de Dados | o o o o |\n| \\__ Cps | . | | o o o o |\n| | * __/' | InterNet : chico@ccsun.unicamp.br | o o o |\n| > /' | cotuca@ccvax.unicamp.br| o |\n| /' /' | Fone/Fax : 55-0192-32-9519 | o o |\n| ~~^\\/' | Campinas - SP - Brasil | o o |\n-----------------------=====================================----like dust.----\n\n",
'From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 96\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>\n>(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes\n> > Sam Zbib Writes\n> >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.\n> >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about\n> >>anti-trust in the business world.\n> >>\n> >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial\n> >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines\n> >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says\n> >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of\n> >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those\n> >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so\n> >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,\n> >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some\n> >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.\n> >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.\n> >>\n> >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the\n> >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /\n> >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours\n> >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair\n> >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of\n> >>an international conspiracy. (I\'m not a conspiracy theorist\n> >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).\n> >>\n>\n>>Right now, I\'m just going to address this point.\n>>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,\n>>It didn\'t buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,\n>>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),\n>>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.\n>>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of\n>>it. It\'s called commerce. The owners, however, made no \n>>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting \n>>them by selling the land right out from under them.\n>>They are to blame, not the Jews.\n>>\n>>\n>\n>Amir: \n>Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was\n>it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the \n>fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of \n>any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews? \n\nIt was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it \nwithout notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible \nenough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving\nthem to their fate.\n>\n>Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine\n>(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate\n>treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while\n>Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord\n>would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would\n>be motivated to sell, regardless of the price.\n\nThe point is that the land was sold legally, often at prices\nabove its actual value. It was legal, and good business for\nthe sellers, though it left the Palestinians who worked the land\nin a poor situation. \n>\n>It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the\n>palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share\n>your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from\n>any ethical commitments just because it wasn\'t written down? \n\nI don\'t know if others share this opinion. It is mine,\nand I\'m sure there are some who agree and some who don\'t\nThe way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances \nbeyond their control, in that since they didn\'t own the land,\nthey didn\'t have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the "greater \nArab unity" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews\n(an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just \nbusiness. \n>\n>All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The\n>question was whether the intent behind the purchase was\n>aimed at controlling the public assets (land,\n>infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds\n>to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.\n>\n>Sam \n>\n> My opinions are my own and no one else\'s\n\nThe purpose of buying the land was to provide space and jobs for \nJewish immigrants. In any case, no matter what the purpose, \nthe sales were legal, so I really don\'t see any grounds for \ncontesting them.\n\nAmir\n\n\n',
'From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 09/15 - Mission Schedules\nSupersedes: <schedule_730956538@cs.unc.edu>\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 177\nDistribution: world\nExpires: 6 May 1993 19:59:07 GMT\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\n\nArchive-name: space/schedule\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:23 $\n\nSPACE SHUTTLE ANSWERS, LAUNCH SCHEDULES, TV COVERAGE\n\n SHUTTLE LAUNCHINGS AND LANDINGS; SCHEDULES AND HOW TO SEE THEM\n\n Shuttle operations are discussed in the Usenet group sci.space.shuttle,\n and Ken Hollis (gandalf@pro-electric.cts.com) posts a compressed version\n of the shuttle manifest (launch dates and other information)\n periodically there. The manifest is also available from the Ames SPACE\n archive in SPACE/FAQ/manifest. The portion of his manifest formerly\n included in this FAQ has been removed; please refer to his posting or\n the archived copy. For the most up to date information on upcoming\n missions, call (407) 867-INFO (867-4636) at Kennedy Space Center.\n\n Official NASA shuttle status reports are posted to sci.space.news\n frequently.\n\n\n WHY DOES THE SHUTTLE ROLL JUST AFTER LIFTOFF?\n\n The following answer and translation are provided by Ken Jenks\n (kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov).\n\n The "Ascent Guidance and Flight Control Training Manual," ASC G&C 2102,\n says:\n\n\t"During the vertical rise phase, the launch pad attitude is\n\tcommanded until an I-loaded V(rel) sufficient to assure launch tower\n\tclearance is achieved. Then, the tilt maneuver (roll program)\n\torients the vehicle to a heads down attitude required to generate a\n\tnegative q-alpha, which in turn alleviates structural loading. Other\n\tadvantages with this attitude are performance gain, decreased abort\n\tmaneuver complexity, improved S-band look angles, and crew view of\n\tthe horizon. The tilt maneuver is also required to start gaining\n\tdownrange velocity to achieve the main engine cutoff (MECO) target\n\tin second stage."\n\n This really is a good answer, but it\'s couched in NASA jargon. I\'ll try\n to interpret.\n\n 1)\tWe wait until the Shuttle clears the tower before rolling.\n\n 2)\tThen, we roll the Shuttle around so that the angle of attack\n\tbetween the wind caused by passage through the atmosphere (the\n\t"relative wind") and the chord of the wings (the imaginary line\n\tbetween the leading edge and the trailing edge) is a slightly\n\tnegative angle ("a negative q-alpha").\tThis causes a little bit of\n\t"downward" force (toward the belly of the Orbiter, or the +Z\n\tdirection) and this force "alleviates structural loading."\n\tWe have to be careful about those wings -- they\'re about the\n\tmost "delicate" part of the vehicle.\n\n 3)\tThe new attitude (after the roll) also allows us to carry more\n\tmass to orbit, or to achieve a higher orbit with the same mass, or\n\tto change the orbit to a higher or lower inclination than would be\n\tthe case if we didn\'t roll ("performance gain").\n\n 4)\tThe new attitude allows the crew to fly a less complicated\n\tflight path if they had to execute one of the more dangerous abort\n\tmaneuvers, the Return To Launch Site ("decreased abort maneuver\n\tcomplexity").\n\n 5)\tThe new attitude improves the ability for ground-based radio\n\tantennae to have a good line-of-sight signal with the S-band radio\n\tantennae on the Orbiter ("improved S-band look angles").\n\n 6)\tThe new attitude allows the crew to see the horizon, which is a\n\thelpful (but not mandatory) part of piloting any flying machine.\n\n 7)\tThe new attitude orients the Shuttle so that the body is\n\tmore nearly parallel with the ground, and the nose to the east\n\t(usually). This allows the thrust from the engines to add velocity\n\tin the correct direction to eventually achieve orbit. Remember:\n\tvelocity is a vector quantity made of both speed and direction.\n\tThe Shuttle has to have a large horizontal component to its\n\tvelocity and a very small vertical component to attain orbit.\n\n This all begs the question, "Why isn\'t the launch pad oriented to give\n this nice attitude to begin with? Why does the Shuttle need to roll to\n achieve that attitude?" The answer is that the pads were leftovers\n from the Apollo days. The Shuttle straddles two flame trenches -- one\n for the Solid Rocket Motor exhaust, one for the Space Shuttle Main\n Engine exhaust. (You can see the effects of this on any daytime\n launch. The SRM exhaust is dirty gray garbage, and the SSME exhaust is\n fluffy white steam. Watch for the difference between the "top"\n [Orbiter side] and the "bottom" [External Tank side] of the stack.) The\n access tower and other support and service structure are all oriented\n basically the same way they were for the Saturn V\'s. (A side note: the\n Saturn V\'s also had a roll program. Don\'t ask me why -- I\'m a Shuttle\n guy.)\n\n I checked with a buddy in Ascent Dynamics.\tHe added that the "roll\n maneuver" is really a maneuver in all three axes: roll, pitch and yaw.\n The roll component of that maneuver is performed for the reasons\n stated. The pitch component controls loading on the wings by keeping\n the angle of attack (q-alpha) within a tight tolerance. The yaw\n component is used to determine the orbital inclination. The total\n maneuver is really expressed as a "quaternion," a grad-level-math\n concept for combining all three rotation matrices in one four-element\n array.\n\n\n HOW TO RECEIVE THE NASA TV CHANNEL, NASA SELECT\n\n NASA SELECT is broadcast by satellite. If you have access to a satellite\n dish, you can find SELECT on Satcom F2R, Transponder 13, C-Band, 72\n degrees West Longitude, Audio 6.8, Frequency 3960 MHz. F2R is stationed\n over the Atlantic, and is increasingly difficult to receive from\n California and points west. During events of special interest (e.g.\n shuttle missions), SELECT is sometimes broadcast on a second satellite\n for these viewers.\n\n If you can\'t get a satellite feed, some cable operators carry SELECT.\n It\'s worth asking if yours doesn\'t.\n\n The SELECT schedule is found in the NASA Headline News which is\n frequently posted to sci.space.news. Generally it carries press\n conferences, briefings by NASA officials, and live coverage of shuttle\n missions and planetary encounters. SELECT has recently begun carrying\n much more secondary material (associated with SPACELINK) when missions\n are not being covered.\n\n\n AMATEUR RADIO FREQUENCIES FOR SHUTTLE MISSIONS\n\n The following are believed to rebroadcast space shuttle mission audio:\n\n\tW6FXN - Los Angeles\n\tK6MF - Ames Research Center, Mountain View, California\n\tWA3NAN - Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC), Greenbelt, Maryland.\n\tW5RRR - Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, Texas\n\tW6VIO - Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, California.\n\tW1AW Voice Bulletins\n\n\tStation VHF\t 10m\t 15m\t 20m\t 40m\t 80m\n\t------\t ------ ------ ------ ------ -----\t-----\n\tW6FXN\t 145.46\n\tK6MF\t 145.585\t\t\t 7.165\t3.840\n\tWA3NAN\t 147.45 28.650 21.395 14.295 7.185\t3.860\n\tW5RRR\t 146.64 28.400 21.350 14.280 7.227\t3.850\n\tW6VIO\t 224.04\t\t 21.340 14.270\n\tW6VIO\t 224.04\t\t 21.280 14.282 7.165\t3.840\n\tW1AW\t\t 28.590 21.390 14.290 7.290\t3.990\n\n W5RRR transmits mission audio on 146.64, a special event station on the\n other frequencies supplying Keplerian Elements and mission information.\n\n W1AW also transmits on 147.555, 18.160. No mission audio but they\n transmit voice bulletins at 0245 and 0545 UTC.\n\n Frequencies in the 10-20m bands require USB and frequencies in the 40\n and 80m bands LSB. Use FM for the VHF frequencies.\n\n [This item was most recently updated courtesy of Gary Morris\n (g@telesoft.com, KK6YB, N5QWC)]\n\n\n SOLID ROCKET BOOSTER FUEL COMPOSITION\n\n Reference: "Shuttle Flight Operations Manual" Volume 8B - Solid Rocket\n Booster Systems, NASA Document JSC-12770\n\n Propellant Composition (percent)\n\n Ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer)\t\t\t69.6\n Aluminum\t\t\t\t\t\t16\n Iron Oxide (burn rate catalyst)\t\t\t0.4\n Polybutadiene-acrilic acid-acrylonitrile (a rubber) 12.04\n Epoxy curing agent\t\t\t\t\t1.96\n\n End reference\n\n Comment: The aluminum, rubber, and epoxy all burn with the oxidizer.\n\nNEXT: FAQ #10/15 - Historical planetary probes\n',
'From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon)\nSubject: Re: New Duo Dock info.\nSummary: You don\'t know the products \nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 27\n\n aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha) writes:\n\n >> nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes:\n >>The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it\'s the truth. The new\n >>macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own. \n\n ]Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!!\n\n ]Alain\n\nAlain:\nGet your facts straight before you post something like this. The Duo\nDock does not have a CPU of its own. It is a docking station with \nports connecting various components, including the portable PowerBook\nwith its own CPU. I guess these rumored new Duo Docks have a built-in\nCPU to perform functions of their own. Interesting! If they\'re not\ncompatible with the current Duo models, I think you\'ll be hearing a\nlot more "screwed by Apple" complaints. Imagine a company obsoleting\n(ooh, a new verb!) a virtually brand new computer... sheesh...\n \n Ken\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nKenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University\nInternet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Joe Dropkin)\nSubject: Re: Apple announce 3 new performas (versions of the 400)\nReply-To: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.151718.8485@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>\tApple announced that it will start selling three new vesions of its\n>Performa 400. The new machines will have built-in modems and bundled software.\n>\n>\tThe new models will be the 405, 430 and 450.\n>\n>\tPrices are not set by Apple, but by the retailer. The prices of the\n>new machines are expected to range from $1300-$1900.\n\nWhat kind of post is this? If you have something substantial to tell the world,\nthen at least give us details! So what if they are coming out with new Macs,\nthey always do that... what's new about these models? Etc...\n",
'From: (Eric Youngblood)\nSubject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance?\nReply-To: Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood)\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh435\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes:\n|> In article <C5Csux.Fn1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei\n|> nz) writes:\n|> >After too many years of school I\'m finally graduating and getting a real\n|> >job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra\n|> >money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty &\n|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around\n|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a\n|> >better idea -- I\'ll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I\'ve\n|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+\n|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway.\n|> >\n|> >Basically, I\'m thinking of a late 70\'s, early 80\'s for around $7-$10k.\n|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks,\n|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main\n|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are\n|> >good prices?\n|> >\n|> >Also, what would insurance look like? I\'m male, single, 23 (I might\n|> >wait until I\'m 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that\n|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of "classic\n|> >car" or "rarely driven" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles\n|> >per year?\n|> >\n|> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say \'classic insurance\'.\n|> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving\n|> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would\n|> probably suit your needs for limited mileage.\n|> -- \n\n\nIn addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require\nthat the vehicle be garaged when not in use.\n\n$0.02\n\nEricy\n\n\n *---------------------------------+---------------------------*\n | Eric Youngblood |\n | Bell-Northern Research _ |\n | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~- |\n | \\, _} |\n | \\( +---------------------------|\n | | Peon w/o Email privs |\n *---------------------------------+---------------------------*\n',
'From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 69\n\nJim Burhill writes:\n\n>Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the\n>events surrounding Jesus\' life?\n\n>No. There are two problems here:\n\nBrian Kendig writes:\n\n>(1) Peter died two millenia ago. The original letters he wrote have\n>long since decayed into dust. If he were alive today and I could\n\nDo you question the existence of Alexander the Great, Tilgrath Pilisar III,\nNero, Caligula, Josephus, Cyrus the Great, Artexerxes? Their documents\nhave decayed to dust too. Brian, why another excuse? \n\n>(2) Even if Peter did witness the miracles of Jesus two millenia ago,\n>that doesn\'t mean that your deity is what the Bible says it is (God\n>might just be Satan, trying to convince everyone that he\'s a nice\n>guy), or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world\n>today.\n\nPeter wrote a bit of the Bible. What Peter says about God is what\nthe Bible says. \n\n\nConsider the Bible a court recording. Over the period of thousands of\nyears, various people come up and testify of their experience with the\nliving God. Up comes Abraham the wealthy rancher. Up comes Moses,\nonce the high official of Egypt. Up comes Elijah, a priest. Up comes\nDavid, a mere shepherd who became King. Up comes the pagan King \nNebuchanezzar. Up comes the pagan King of Persia, Cyrus. Up comes\nNehemiah, cupbearer to the King of Persia. Then Matthew, an IRS agent\ntakes the stand. Up comes Luke, an M.D. Then Paul a Jew who use\nto kill Christians for fun. Up comes John, a 17 year old boy. Up\ncomes Peter, a fishermen. Up comes James, the brother of Jesus himself.\nUp comes hundreds of others. You hear testimony from fishermen, IRS\nagents, priests, Kings. The court hearing lasts thousands of years\nwith people coming up and testifying about the God who calls himself\n"I am." \n\nWhile you are listening to all this stuff, you realize that\nKing David could have never known John, Solomon could have never known\nMatthew, Nehemiah could have never known Peter. You realize that all these\npeople are independent witnesses, and so, you rule out collaboration. Yet\nall of the witnesses tell of the same God. Each testifier tells\nof his own experiences with the living God. Each experience is\ndifferent, but each experience has enough cross-over to unmistakenly\nreveal that each one of these people is talking about the very same God.\nWhat Daniel did not know about God, the 3rd Highest Official of\nBabylon, God revealed to John 600 years later--but with a different\nperspective. No two testimonies are identical. Each testimony\ndares to venture off what is already known. Yet each witness\'s\ntestimony, even though different from those prior, consistently\ndescribes harmoniously fitting facets of the character of the same God. \n\nNow. As we stare gazing at the computer, you got this seeming fanatic\non the other end of the net, saying, I know this God "I am". He has\nrevealed himself to me too. He also calls himself Jesus (John 8:58).\nPlease believe me. I am telling the truth. It is wonderful to know him.\n\nAre you going to just pass off all this testimony as fictiousness? \nAre you going to call three thousand years worth of testimony from\nshepherds to IRS agents to royal officials to kings to computer\nprogrammers, fiction? With a scoff of your keyboard, with near\ncomplete ignorance of the testimonies, are you going to say that\nthat is all complete hooey? Would that not be the most audacious\ndisplay of arrogance? Do you actually think you know better than\nKing Solomon, King David, or even Abraham Lincolnr?\n',
'From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nX-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University\n\tof Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither\n\tcontrol over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <5103@moscom.com> mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) writes:\n>Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:\n>: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:\n>: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its\n>: >"current directory".\n>\n>: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use\n>: to launch cview cd\'s to the dir where cview resides and then\n>: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file\n>: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.\n>\n>I posted this as well before the cview "expert". Apparently, he thought\nhe\n>knew better.\n>\n>Matthew Zenkar\n>mz@moscom.com\n\n\n Are we talking about ColorView for DOS here? \n I have version 2.0 and it writes the temp files to its own\n current directory.\n What later versions do, I admit that I don\'t know.\n Assuming your "expert" referenced above is talking about\n the version that I have, then I\'d say he is correct.\n Is the ColorView for unix what is being discussed?\n Just mixed up, confused, befuddled, but genuinely and\n entirely curious....\n\n Uncle Fester\n\n--\n : What God Wants : God wants gigolos :\n : God gets : God wants giraffes :\n : God help us all : God wants politics :\n : *thester@nyx.cs.du.edu* : God wants a good laugh :\n',
'From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au\nSubject: re: technology\nReply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au\nOrganization: University of Technology Sydney\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <Apr.2.02.36.53.1993.22906@athos.rutgers.edu> cathye@cs.uq.oz.au writes:\n>I am fairly new to this group. \n>I was wondering about people\'s opinions on \n>ethical uses of the net, and of technology in general.\n\nthe classic references in this area are Jacques Ellul for a\nliberal/evangelical perspective and Os Guiness for a straight\nevangelical view. If you want to look at non-christian sources\ntry Alvin Toffler as the perennial optimist. His views while\nblatently non christian explore where technology may be going.\n\n>For example, there are some chain letters going\n>around which claim to have been written by a Christian missionary, but\n>which present a misleading image of the Christian religion. \n\nThis is regardless of technology. Be careful to separate the issues of\nrelated to speed and dispersion of technology (how far the letter\nwent and how quickly it got there) and the message being passed in the\ntechnology (something that seems to be totally wrong.)\n\n>How can we help to make best use of computer technology ?\n\nWhen lecturing in this area I challenge my (non-christan/atheistic) class\nabout the impact technology has on life, quality of life and the rights\nthat they consider important. Depending on how you work out your\nfaith will determine your response to the use of technology. For example\nfriends of mine are considering IVF due to a life threatening situation the\nwife is going through; when it is over they will have the baby. (God\nwilling). In this case the technology is available and my friends have to\ndecide what to do. In all cases though you must decide if the technology\nis against God\'s revealed word.\n\nRegards\n David\n--\nDavid Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\\\n | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007 | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864 / \\\n | 15-73 Broadway Sydney | Fax: +61 2 330 1807 \\_.--._/\n"I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free" v\n',
'From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU \nSubject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust)\nOriginator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:\n|> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel\n|> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.\n|> -- \n|> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org\nMr. water-head,\ni never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that\nisrael went into southern lebanon to make sure that no \nwater is being used on the lebanese\nside, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there\nisrael will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.\n\nHasan \n',
'From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We\'re Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C518B1.AMF@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>: >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental\n>: >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK\n>: >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population\n>: >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted\n>: >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the\n>: >: > UK. And, no, the Brits don\'t make up for this by murdering 57x as\n>: >: > many people with baseball bats.\n\n>: If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely\n>: followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to\n>: death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you\'ll see for\n>: yourself. \n\n>It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain.\n\nAnd I\'m sure that is a great comfort to the widows and children of\nthose stabbed, beaten and burned to death. The real question is,\n"Did the crime rate in England go down, after they enacted \ngun control laws?" If you look at the rates before and after their\nfirst such law in 1920, you will see no effect.\n\n Frank Crary\n CU Boulder\n',
"From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)\nSubject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...\nKeywords: printer\nArticle-I.D.: ics.2BD73621.3894\nReply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)\nOrganization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu\n\nI edited a few newsgroup from that line (don't like to crosspost THAT\nmuch). I can't compare the two, but I recently got an HP DeskJet 500.\n\nI'm very pleased with the output (remember that I'm used to imagens,\nlaser and postscript printers at school -- looks very good. You have\nto be careful to let it dry before touching it, as it will smudge.\n\nThe deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I\nmentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares.\n\nThe interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not\nhad any problems with it.\n\nHope that helps some.\n\n--Cindy\n\n--\nCindy Tittle Moore\n\nInternet: tittle@ics.uci.edu | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet\nUUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716\n",
'From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical?\nReply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <May.7.01.09.04.1993.14501@athos.rutgers.edu> easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:\n>Hello all,\n> I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago\n>that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven\n>because he challenged God\'s authority. The problem is, I cannot\n>find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it\n>originate?\n\ni did a workshop on this for an episcopalian student gathering a\ncouple months ago because i wanted to know the answer too. as far as\ni could tell, although that story was never specifically _told_ in the\nbible, many references are made to it, primarily in the new testament.\nin the old testament there is actually an entirely different view of\nsatan as a (excuse the pun) "devil\'s advocate" for yahweh. see the\nbook of job. getting back to the fallen angel story, there are _no_\nreferences to "lucifer" in the bible except for a mistranslation of\n"the morning star" in the king james version (isaiah 14:12), which\nprobably referred to a babylonian monarch much in the same was as "the\nsun king" referred to louis xiv. \n\nall in all, i don\'t know where the story _came from_; it may have been\nrolling around for a long time, or milton (_paradise lost_) may have\ninvented it. sorry for the sketchiness of the rest of this, but i am\nin a hurry and need to eat lunch! feel free to email me about the\nother stuff i found out.... (although a lot of it is just the result\nof a bible concordance program called "quickverse" -- it\'s really\nlousy, by the way -- don\'t buy it.) \n\n>Wondering,\n>Eddie\n>______ __ ___ ___ o __ ___ | Western Kentucky |\n> / /__) /__ /__ / ) / /__) /__ | University |\n> / / \\ (___ (___ (__/__/ / / \\ (___ | EASTEEE@WKUVX1.BITNET |\n\nhope this helped!\nvera\n______\nje cherche une ame, qui\t\t\tof course i don\'t agree with \npourra m\'aider\t\t\t\tmylene farmer\'s religious views;\nje suis\t\t\t\t\ti just think they\'re interesting.\nd\'une generation desenchantee\t\t(vera noyes)\n - mylene farmer\t\t\tnoye@midway.uchicago.edu\n',
'From: cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo)\nSubject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions\nOrganization: Symantec/Peter Norton Group\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 155.64.151.14\n\nalird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:\n>>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to \n>>make room for Harkey?\n\nShawn Boskie.\n',
'From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)\nSubject: Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates\nOrganization: Boeing\nLines: 6\n\nWhere can you get info (brochures...) on Differential GPS Systems and where to \nbuy them?\n\nBobC\n\n\n',
'From: bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Baker)\nSubject: OAKLEYS for sale (Bulls vs. Blazers too!)\nKeywords: Good Deal!\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 10\n\nI have a pair of Oakleys that cost about $100 new a year ago. I hardly ever\nwore them because they just don\'t look right on me. They are orange and\nblue and are the "blade" kind (Terminator style). I am willing to sell these\nfor $40 to the first response I get. \nI also have a Bulls vs. Blazers game for the SNES that is in perfect\ncondition. I am selling it for $35. It includes the instruction manual.\n\n\n John\n bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu\n',
'From: mcdowell@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (James M McDowell)\nSubject: Texas Ranger Ticket Info\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 4\n\nWould someone please give me the address for Texas Ranger\nticket orders. Thanks very much.\n\nJim\n',
'Subject: HELP!! How to get refund from Visual Images?\nFrom: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)\nOrganization: Hiram College\nNntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu\nLines: 28\n\nI participated a promotion by a company called Visual Images. \nThey sent me a award certificate three months ago and asked \nme to buy their promotion package in order to receive the major\naward. They mislabled my address and I did not receive my package\nuntil one month ago. I was mad and angry about how it took them\nso long to get my package. So I wrote them a letter and requested\nfor a refund. They never return my letter. I was lucky enough to\nfind out their telephone number through operator and received the\npackage. I immediately returned the package and wrote them another\nletter to ask for refund. The package was returned because they\naddress they put on the package was incorrect. I attempted to \ncall them and learnd that they have changed their telephone number.\nIt took me at least 10 phone calls to find out their new number,\nbut they refused to take any responsibility. I spoke to their\nmanager and she said she would call me back, but she has not call\nyet. But I was able to get their address from their front desk.\nShould I just go ahead and send the package? Or should I waite until\nthey call me back?\n\nI know there are several people on the net has experience with the\nsame company. I would like to know how they got their money back.\nIf you have similar experience, please advise me.\n\nThanks in advance,\n\nDouglas Kou\nHiram College\n\n',
'Organization: Central Michigan University\nFrom: <3MWIEU4@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>\nSubject: DAK shorwave radio\nLines: 3\n\n Digitally-tuned shorwave radio with alarm clock and 5 presets per band.\n Has AM, FM, SW1, and SW2 bands. Asking $25 + shppg.\n Reply for more details. Thanks Pete 3mwieu4@cmuvm.cmich.edu\n',
"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.164638.27218@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes:\n> In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.\n# #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.\n# #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,\n# #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that\n# #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general\n# #male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for\n# #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically\n# #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.\n# \n# Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married?\n\nMarriage isn't a requirement for a couple staying together.\n\n# What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession\n# with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent\n# hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache.\n# \n# (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours.\n# \n# ----bi Andrew D. Simchik\t\t\t\t\tSCHNOPIA!\n\nYes you are. When you and the rest of the homosexual community\npass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to\nhire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against\nmy will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying\nto impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this.\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n",
'From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nOrganization: a2i network\nLines: 14\n\nIn <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:\n\n>A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\n>am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\n>Thanks!\n> \n\nHo boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do\nany other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is\nso easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND\ngraphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have\nX Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like\ndoc, image viewers like xv, etc.\n\n',
'From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <Rs2J2B8w164w@cellar.org>, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:\n> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:\n> \n>> In article <1ppdccINNbe1@dev-null.phys.psu.edu>, stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu\n>> > In article <C4wxnF.Bx1@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbo\n>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1\n>> > \n>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons???\n>> \n>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your\n>> jokes:-)!\n> \n> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I\'m sure you\'ll see the humour...\n> \n> ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\n> Thomas A. Darling \\\\\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043\n> darling@cellar.org \\\\\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\\\ FactHQ "Truth Thru Technology"\n> v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v\n\n\nIf anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the\norigonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding.\n\nKOZ\nLETS GO CAPS!!!\n',
'From: kimd@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Chungwan Kim)\nSubject: WANTED: Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS\nKeywords: wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu\nLines: 11\n\n\n\n\tI am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS.\nIf anybody out there has one for sale, semd email with \nthe name of brand, condition of projector, and price for\nsale to kimd@rpi.edu\n(IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY)\n\ndanny\nkimd@rpi.edu\n\n',
'Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results)\nFrom: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca\nOrganization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\n>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\n>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do\n>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\n\nKevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow\nthe Devils, anyway? Jeez....\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAlan\n',
'From: bshaw@spdc.ti.com (Bob Shaw)\nSubject: SUMMARY xon and X11R5\nNntp-Posting-Host: bobasun\nOrganization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center\nLines: 15\n\n\nHi folks\nThanks to the ones that replied, however, my problem turned out\nto be very simple.\n\nIn my .Xresources I had a space after XTerm*font: 10x20.\nRemoving this and xrdb fixed my problem.\n\nAlso, same symptom, was that some of my users did not have the\nproper capitals for XTerm*font.\n\nThanks again\n\nBob\n\n',
'From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)\nSubject: Re: SUMMARY: Borland/Microsoft Database C Libraries\nReply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)\nOrganization: Iowa State University\nLines: 4\n\nCould you post a description of ObjectBase, your chosen\nproduct.\n\nThanks\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: tuberculosis\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Mar25.020646.852@news.columbia.edu> jhl14@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan H. Lin) writes:\n>I was wondering what steps are being taken to prevent the spread of\n>multi-drug resistant tuberculosis. I\'ve heard that some places are\n>thinking of incarcerating those with the disease. Doesn\'t this violate\n>the civil rights of these individuals? Are there any legal precedents\n>for such action?\n>\n\nWho knows in this legal climate, but there is tremendous legal precendent\nfor forcibly quarantining TB patients in sanitariums. 100 yrs ago\nit was done all the time. It has been done sporadically all along\nin patients who won\'t take their medicine. If you have TB you\nmay find yourself under surveilence of the Public Health Department\nand you may find they have the legal power to insist you make your\nclinic visits.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: iisakkil@lk-hp-22.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)\nSubject: Re: DX3/99\nIn-Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us's message of 5 Apr 93 23:53:00 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-22.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 16\n\nrobert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) writes:\n>I heard the rumor as well, but the story differed. Intel was not coming \n>out with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was.\n\nNo rumour, IBM's clock tripling chip was seen in some trade show last\nfall (COMDEX or something, I wasn't there). All you people who are\ndrooling after this chip do realize that it has no FPU, just like\n486SX, that Evil Marketing Ploy(tm) from Intel, don't you? It has 16K\nof internal cache, which probably is where the saved silicon real\nestate went. Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its\n486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become\navailable in any non-IBM machines. Of course, nothing prevents other\ncompanies from implementing a DX3/99, but nobody hasn't even come out\nwith a real 486DX (FPU and all) clone yet (although AMD soon will).\n--\nSegmented Memory Helps Structure Software\n",
'From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Re: Giants\' GM Quinn *is* a genius!\nArticle-I.D.: pegasus.steph.734129736\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 17\n\nIn <18979@autodesk.COM> trs@Autodesk.COM (Tom Schroeder) writes:\n\n>nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:\n\n>> During the same time span, the Braves developed John Smoltz, Tom Glavine,\n>> Steve Avery, David Justice, Ron Gant, and Jeff Blauser, among others.\n>> \n> Avery, I believe, came from the Phillies. Jeff Blauser?!?\n\nAvery was the #2 overall pick by the Braves, behind Mark Lewis (I think) in\n1988. John Smoltz came over to the Braves from the Tigers, but was developed\nby the Braves. Jeff Blauser isn\'t a bad player.\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic\n\n "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball\n',
"From: Mark W. Dubin\nSubject: Re: ringing ears\nOriginator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU\nKeywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nReply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder\nLines: 31\n\njfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes:\n\n>A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. [etc.]\n\n\nA. Folks, do we have an FAQ on tinnitus yet?\n\nB. As a lo-o-o-ong time sufferer of tinnitus and as a neuroscientist\nwho has looked over the literature carefully I believe the following\nare reasonable conclusions:\n\n1. Millions of people suffer from chronic tinnitus.\n2. The cause it not understood.\n3. There is no accepted treatment that cures it.\n4. Some experimental treatments may have helped some people a bit, but\nthere have be no reports--even anecdotal--of massive good results with\nany of these experimental drugs.\n5. Some people with chronic loud tinnitus use noise blocking to get to sleep.\n6. Sudden onset loud tinnitus can be caused by injuries and sometimes\nabates or goes away after a few months.\n7. Aspirin is well known to exacerbate tinnitus in some people.\n8. There is a national association of tinnitus sufferers in the US.\n9. One usually gets used to it. Especially when concentrating on\nsomething else the tinnitus becomes unnoticed.\n10. Stress and lack of sleep make tinnitus more annoying, sometimes.\n11. I'm sure those of us who have it wish there was a cure, but there\nis not.\n\nMark dubin\nthe ol' professor\n\n",
"From: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r)\nSubject: Re: Power, signal surges in home...\nOrganization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.232804.24632@mprgate.mpr.ca> vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes:\n>kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:\n>\n>>My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's\n>>astonishingly sensitive to RFI. \n>\n>Hmmmmm... this has possibilities:\n>If the police are in pursuit of a vehicle, maybe they can bombard it with\n>high energy RFI. :-)\n\nRight. So all the cops will be buying antique muscle cars for chase cars;\notherwise the *police* cars will die too!\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n | To get the attention of a large animal, be it an\n | elephant or a bureaucracy, it helps to know what\nGeorge Patterson - | part of it feels pain. Be very sure, though, that\n | you want its full attention.\n | Kelvin Throop\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA\nLines: 52\n\t<1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: dyer@spdcc.com\'s message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n\n Newsgroups: sci.med\n Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!think.com!hsdndev!spdcc!dyer\n From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\n Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\n References: <20996.3049.uupcb@factory.com> <79727@cup.portal.com>\n Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT\n Lines: 18\n\n In article <79727@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n >I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity\n >which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring\n >from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal\n >results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these\n >chemicals than other people. I don\'t remember any connection being made\n >with seizures, but it certainly couldn\'t hurt to try an all-natural diet.\n\n Yeah, the "Feingold Diet" is a load of crap. Children diagnosed with ADD\n who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and\n social skills, which in fact continue to decline. Of course, the parents\n who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their\n children\'s development. So much for the value of "interesting anecdotal\n results". People will believe anything if they want to.\n\n -- \n Steve Dyer\n dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n\n\nThanks for all the interest in this problem of mine. I don\'t think it\nis a reaction to sugar or junk food per se since Kathryn has never shown\nany signs of hyperactivity or changes in behavior in response to food.\nShe has always been very calm and dare I say, a neat, smart kid.\n\nThe fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made\nby Kellog\'s makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to\nsomething in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our\nimmediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running\nnose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history\nincluding some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. \n\nAnyway, our next trip is to an endocrinologist to check out the body\nchemistry. But so far, no more sugar coated cereals and no more seizures\neither. Every day that goes by without one makes me heave a sigh of\nrelief. Thanks again.\n\n--\nSharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov\nNASA Langley Research Center\nBldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241\nHampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362\n',
'From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: University of East Anglia\nLines: 78\n\negreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n\n>In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\n>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n>>\n\n>1. All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand\n>the technique of countersteering.\n\nIncluding all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way\nthrough a corner??\n\n>The underlying physics are a\n>different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. \n\nAgreed!\n\n>Countersteering\n>(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the\n>technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance\n>manuvers.\n\nThis is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to\ndisagree?? I still think that telling newbies to steer left to turn\nto the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they\'ll do it anyway if they\njust get on the bike and ride the damn thing.\n\n\n>2. *I* know exactly what\'s happening. It\'s those *other* gits that\n>haven\'t a clue! :^)\n\n\nMe too!!\n\n:-)\n\n\n>>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how\n>>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course.\n>>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre\n>>*just* beginning to slide against the road.\n\n>Then we are in violent disagreement. While what you state is true, it\n>is insufficient to form a traction management policy. Available\n>traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to\n>the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and\n>correspondingly decreases at the rear. Thus, a *technique* of applying\n>both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the\n>front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and\n>available traction.\n\nJeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I\nthought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway\nlocomotives...\n\nThe official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the\nfront brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being\nthat you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In\npractice I suspect most people do what you describe.\n\n>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless\n>advice to a newbie. He has to go out and slide the tire to find out\n>where that is! It also gives him zero information from which to\n>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and\n>corresponding weight shift develop.\n\nIf you don\'t slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you\'ve\nachieved maximum braking or not. I\'m not suggesting that you should always\naim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the\nlimits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. \n\nIn any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep\nboth wheels just on the point of sliding, then you\'ll be doing\nexactly as *you* suggest!!\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo)\nSubject: Quadra 700 Memory Install FAQ\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 69\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\nSummary: Instructions for Quadra 700 memory installation\nKeywords: memory,quadra,700,install\n\nThis is turning into a FAQ\n\n\nHere is how to violate your Quadra 700 warranty and install your own\nmemory.\n\n1) Insert usual disclaimer here\n \n2) Remove the top lid of the machine. You will see the floppy disk and\n hard drive mounted in a plastic tower. Follow the usual anti-static\n precautions and of course make sure the machine is OFF when you do\n this. Unplug the wall and monitor power supply cords from the back\n\tof the mac.\n \n3) Remove the power supply by pulling the plastic interlocking tab on the\n tower forward and simultaneously pulling the power supply straight up.\n The tab is a piece of plastic from the left posterior aspect of the\n tower which extends downward to hook on to the power supply. You may\n also feel a horseshoe shaped piece at the right portion of the power\n supply. Leave that alone. The plastic tab from the tower is all you\n need release.\n \n4) Look at the rear of the tower assembly. You will see the flat ribbon\n SCSI connector to the hard drive, a power cable and a flat ribbon cable\n leading to the floppy drive. Disconnect all these from the motherboard.\n The hard drive power cable connector has a tab which must be squeezed\n to release it.\n \n5) Unplug the drive activity LED from its clear plastic mount\n\n6) Look down the posterior, cylindrical section of the plastic tower. A\n phillips head screw is at the base. Remove it, taking care not to drop\n it into the case. A bit of gummy glue on your screwdriver is helpful\n here.\n\n7) Remove the tower assembly by pulling medially the plastic tab on the\n right side of the tower. This tab prevents the tower from sliding\n\tposteriorly. Slide the entire tower assembly 1 cm posteriorly then\n\tlift the tower assembly straight up and out of the case.\n\n8) Congratulations, you have now gained access to your machine's SIMM\n slots.\n\n9) The six big slots are for VRAM. One usually must install all six to\n gain useful video modes. All SIMMS (RAM or VRAM) installed with their\n\tchips facing the front of the motherboard.\n\t\n The four smaller sockets in front are for RAM SIMMS. Install SIMMS in\n\tsets of four into these sockets. Be sure you seat the SIMMS squarely\n\tand firmly into a fully upright position.\n\t\n10) Reinstall the tower assembly by first placing the right wall of the\n tower against the right wall of the case with the tower assembly about\n\t1 cm posterior of its intended position. Lower the tower assembly into\n\tplace while maintaining contact with the right wall of the case.\n Once fully down, slide the tower assembly anteriorly until it clicks\n into place.\n\t\n11) Reconnect the motherboard ends of the cables. DONT'T FORGET THE FLOPPY\n DRIVE CABLE.\n\n12) Replace the phillips head screw\n\n13) Drop the power supply straight down into place until it clicks in.\n\n14) Plug the hard drive activity light back into its clear plastic mount\n\nGuy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>\n\n",
"From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi)\nSubject: ide &scsi controller\nOrganization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University\nLines: 16\n\nhi folks\ni have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb\nthe second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram)\ni'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy\na new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll \nall of them\nany companies?\nhow many $?\nand is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide\nthe ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is \nabout all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it)\n\nthanks to all\nwrite at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it\n\n\n",
'From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)\nSubject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...\nArticle-I.D.: advtech.1993Apr15.203546.14540\nOrganization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com\n\n> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>> = (Robert C Hite) writes:\n\n>>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the\n>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in\n>>baseball at 8-1\n\n>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn\'t flame\n>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy.\n\nWhat _is_ your problem? Hite\'s post wasn\'t a flame. It was a\ncorrection of *your* error.\n\nYOUR reply was a flame. \n\n>No, I don\'t know everything in the world. Does that surprise you?\n\nNot in the least. \n\n\n-- \n+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\n| Steve Novak | |"Ban the Bomb!" "Ban the POPE!!"| \n+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\nsteven@advtech.USWest.Com\n',
'From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)\nSubject: Re: QuickTime movie available\nArticle-I.D.: mustang.johnsh-060493161931\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: mustang.stu.rpi.edu\n\nIn article <johnsh-040493161915@mustang.stu.rpi.edu>, I wrote:\n> \n> I\'ve used the recently-released Macintosh application MPEG to QuickTime to\n> convert the excellent MPEG "canyon.mpg" into a QuickTime movie. While\n> anyone who would want this movie is perfectly able to convert it\n> themselves, I thought I\'d let the net know that I\'d be glad to mail copies\n> of mine out. The movie conversion took close to SIX HOURS on my poor\n> little IIcx; in other words, unless you\'ve got a Quadra, you might not want\n> to tie up your machine in converting this file.\n> \n> The movie is a fast fly-through of a fractal-generated canyon landscape. \n> The movie is 58 seconds long, and uses the compact video compressor (i.e.,\n> QuickTime v1.5). The movie looks okay on 8-bit displays, and looks\n> absolutely awesome on 16- and 24-bit displays.\n> \n> I\'d be happy to mail this movie to the first 20 or so people who ask for\n> it. The only caveat is you need to be able to receive a nine-megabyte mail\n> message (the movie was stuff-it\'ed down to seven megs, but binhex ruined\n> that party). If more then 20 people want this movie, then it\'s just more\n> evidence that the net needs a dedicated QuickTime FTP archive site. C\'mon,\n> someone\'s gotta have a spare 1.2GB drive out there...\n\nOkay, I\'ve received a whole lot of requests for the movie, so for\nsimplicity\'s sake I can\'t mail out any more than I\'ve already received (as\nof 16:30 EDT, Tuesday). Maybe it\'ll pop up on a site sooner or later.\n\n==============================================================================\nHugh Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu) | \nRensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Welcome to Macintosh.\nTroy, New York, USA |\n==============================================================================\n',
"From: garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone lin\nOrganization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group\nLines: 32\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: garyg@warren.mentorg.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garyg.warren.mentorg.com\n\nIn article 1qub4mINN7r3@rave.larc.nasa.gov, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:\n>In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n>>\n>>Greetings!\n>> \n>> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't\n>> know the number of the line. And I don't want\n>> to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n>>\n>> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can\n>> use to find out the number to the line?\n>\n>\n>Call a friend long distance, collect. Ask to speak with yourself. When\n>the operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave\n>your number. She'll read it out in the clear.\n>--scott\n\nEven easier, my area supports 311. Dial this and a recording recites your number.\nPhone techs use it to verify an installed line.\n---\n\t\t\tGary Gendel\nVice President:\t\t\t\tCurrent consulting assignment:\nGenashor Corp\t\t\t\tMentor Graphics Corporation\n9 Piney Woods Drive\t\t\t15 Independence Boulevard\nBelle Mead, NJ 08502\t\t\tWarren, NJ 07059\n\nphone:\t(908) 281-0164\t\t\tphone:\t(908) 604-0883\nfax:\t(908) 281-9607\t\t\temail:\tgaryg@warren.mentorg.com\n\n\n\n",
'From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon)\nSubject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210\nSummary: very hard to get a modem \nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 34\n\n jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes:\n\n jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:\n\n >Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if\n >they want to go at least 9600 baud)?\n\n >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason\n >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from\n >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get\n >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud.\n\nIf Apple didn\'t put out such a good product -- I\'d gladly take my\nbusiness to -- to -- the 8-bit Ataris. I think the\nsituation with the Express modem is inexusable for any business.\nI\'ve had mine on order since January. Apple finally called me last\nweek -- to tell me that I should have it "by the second week of May."\nIn the meantime, I\'ve been stuck with my Duo210 without the\nconnectability I needed it for. I\'m sure there are plenty of people\nwho can bite back at me, citing all sorts of reasons why Apple is\nright or at least justified, but I\'m just a crabby consumer and\nwhen I order a "Duo210 with modem" that\'s the product I expect.\n\nOh, well. It\'s not like it\'s limited to the computer biz. Remember\nwhen the Miata came out? What about those Cabbage Patch Dolls? Well,\nI want my toy! ;)\n\n\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nKenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University\nInternet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions?\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nDistribution: na\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5qLr8.DJL@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The \nIdealistic Cynic) writes:\n> \n> Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution\n> quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it,\n> but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a\n> couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution\n> changed. I already have both video drivers that I need on my system,\n> so that isn't a problem.\n> \n> Thanks,\n> \n> Sean.\n> \n> ---\n> Sean L. Gilley\n> sean.l.gilley@att.com <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE!\n> 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)\n> \nThere is a shareware program called v-switch.zip. I don't remember if it \nis on wuarchive.wustl.edu or on ftp.cica.indiana.edu. \n\nIt is easy to use and does the job with no problem.\n\n-Eric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n",
'Reply-To: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue)\nFrom: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue)\nSubject: Off Line Mail\nLines: 13\n\nI am looking for a program called VBREADER. It is an off line mail\nreader for Windows using QWK mail packets. Or if anyone knows of\nany good QWK mail readers please let me know.\n \n Thanks\n \n Kevin \n\n_______________________________________________________________________\nKevin C. Donoghue Internet: donoghue@donoghue.win.net\nDonoghue International "Few love to hear the sins they love to act"\n2437 Grand Ave. Suite 273 -- William Shakespear \nVentura CA 93003 \n',
'From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer)\nSubject: How large are commercial keys?\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 13\n\nWhat are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms?\nI know DES is 56 bits ("tripple DES" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is\nthere anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere\nthat has larger keys? I\'ve heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily\nlarge keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere?\n\nFinally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren\'t\nsufficient? (I certainly can\'t - even at a trillion keys a second, it\nwould take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys\nspace.)\n\nThanks,\nDane\n',
'From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu\n\nBetty Harvey writes,\n\n> I am not a researcher or a medical person but it amazes me that \n> when they can\'t find a scientific or a known fact they automatically \n> assume that the reaction is psychological. It is mind boggling.\n\nThis, simply stated, is a result of the bankrupt ethics in\nthe healthcare and scientific medicine industries.\n\nAmerica is fed up with the massive waste and fraud that is costing\nus 15% of our GNP to support these industries, while delivering \nmarginal health care to the community.\n\nUnfortunately, the "Clinton Plan", in whatever form it\ntakes, will probably cost us an even greater sum. Bleah.\n\nSteve\n',
'From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)\nLines: 23\nOrganization: Tufts University - Medford, MA\n\nMysstem crashes aftwer sleepp. I use 1.0.1 enabler. I use appletalk and \nfilesharing. I have and ExpressModem.\n\n--Lowell\n--\n***********************************************************************\n* Lowell Reiter\t\t\t "I need a Vacation... Now!!! " *\n* Tufts University *\n* Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu *\n***********************************************************************\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
"Subject: XV under MS-DOS ?!?\nFrom: NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch\nOrganization: EICN, Switzerland\nLines: 24\n\nHi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I \nuse frequently XV on a Sun Spark Station 1 and I never had problems, but when I\nstart it on my computer with -h option, it display the help menu and when I\nstart it with a GIF-File my Hard disk turns 2 or 3 seconds and the prompt come\nback.\n\nMy computer is a little 386/25 with copro, 4 Mega rams, Tseng 4000 (1M) running\nMS-DOS 5.0 with HIMEM.SYS and no EMM386.SYS. I had the GO32.EXE too... but no\ndriver who run with it.\n\nDo somenone know the solution to run XV ??? any help would be apprecied..\n\t\t\n\tThanx in advance !!!! \n \n-- \n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t *\n* Pascal PERRET \t\t|\tperret@eicn.etna.ch *\n* Ecole d'ingénieur ETS\t|\t(Not Available at this time)*\n* 2400 Le LOCLE\t\t|\t\t\t\t *\n* Suisse \t\t\t\t\t\t\t *\n*\t\t !!!! Enjoy COMPUTER !!!!\t\t\t *\n*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t *\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus)\nSubject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ???\nOrganization: Malaspina College\nLines: 63\n\nIn article <C5r60r.4ID@megatest.com>, alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:\n> In article <C5qsBF.IEK@ms.uky.edu> billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes:\n>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch\n>>audio. I got pretty bad \'clicks\' when the thing switched. I was doing\n>>most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and\n>>nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks.\n>>\n>>\n>>My question is:\n>>\n>>\tIs there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching\n>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines.\n>>\n>>\n>>I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part\n>>numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help!\n> \n> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp\n> out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big\n> clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact\n> bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching\n> transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving?\n> \n> Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-)\n\nAs a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer\nthe circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary\nopening and closing of the path.\n\nThe noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high\nimpedance audio circuits a resistive "T" is constructed close to characteristic\nimpedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers\nthe audio.\n\nIn low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are\nshorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic\nimpedance.\n\nSometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used\nto momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time.\n\nTelephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to "Make before\nbreak and Vica Versa" but I haven\'t seen any of these for years.\n\nNowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc.\n\nA novel circuit I used to build was a primitive "optical isolator".. It consists\nof a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is\noff the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers\npassing the audio. Once again this device in a "T" switches the audio. Varying\nthe lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and\nyou have a mixer!\n\nLots of luck!\n-- \n73, Tom\n================================================================================\nTom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia\n(604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle\nSnail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 \n\nI do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply)\n================================================================================\n',
'From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:\n|> There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of\n|> marriage.\n ...\n|> \n|> Where is the evidence for my opinions? At the moment, there are just\n|> generalities I can cite. For example, I read that in the 20th century,\n|> the percentage of youth (and people in general) who suffer from\n|> depression has been steadily climbing in Western societies (probably\n|> what I was reading referred particularly to the USA). Similarly, one\n|> can detect a trend towards greater occurrence of sex outside of marriage\n|> in this century in Western societies -- particularly with the "sexual\n|> revolution" of the 60\'s, but even before that I think (otherwise the\n|> "sexual revolution" of the 60\'s would not have been possible),\n|> particularly with the gradual weakening of Christianity and consequently\n|> Christian moral teachings against sex outside of marriage. I propose\n|> that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society\n|> (and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are\n|> linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot\n|> provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis\n|> seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it.\n|> \n|> Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view.\n|> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au \n\nI think this is a big leap sex->depression. One example is myself,\nwhere no sex->depression :) But, seriously 1) promiscuity is on a decline,\ndepression is not and 2) it might be more reasonable to say \ndepression->promiscuity. I think depression is more likely to come\nfrom emotional problems (relationships, family, job, friends) and\npromiscuity is used as an escape.\nSince I see marriage as a civil and religious bond rather than an\nemotional bond, I don\'t see a problem with sex before (not outside of)\nmarriage so long as you have the same commitment and devotion as\nwhat is expected from a married couple. Of course, this is just \nmy opinion.\n\nBrian /-|-\\\n',
'From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas)\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 40\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:\n> In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n> >In article <C5n3GI.F8F@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n\n> >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the\n> >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great.\n> >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of\n> >> the government only. Individual access would result in the\n> >> needless deaths of millions. This makes the right of the people\n> >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant.\n\n> >Thanks for stating where you\'re coming from. Needless to say, I\n> >disagree on every count.\n\n> You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of\n> mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a \n> neighbor\'s right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve\n> gas on his/her property. \n\n> If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of\n> the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us?\n\nI don\'t sign any blank checks.\n\nWhen Doug Foxvog says "weapons of mass destruction," he means CBW and\nnukes. When Sarah Brady says "weapons of mass destruction" she means\nStreet Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles. When John\nLawrence Rutledge says "weapons of mass destruction," and then immediately\nfollows it with:\n\n> The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns,\n> this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions\n> on them.\n\n...what does Rutledge mean by the term?\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n\n',
'From: hughes@jupiter.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes)\nSubject: Manual for Eprom Blower (Logical Devices Prompro-8) Wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.ral.rpi.edu\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 7\n\n\n I have an eprom blower made by Logical Devices and the\n model name is Prompro-8, but I have lost the manual. Does anyone\n have a spare manual that they would like to sell ?\n\n Declan Hughes\n hughes@ral.rpi.edu\n',
'Subject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun cont\nFrom: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)\nOrganization: Harvard University Science Center\nNntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <C5JGz5.34J@SSD.intel.com> hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes:\n>I\'d like to point out that I was in error - "Terminator" began posting only \n>six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email\n>from him.\n>I can\'t produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992,\n>and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992.\n>I guess it only seemed like years.\n>Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.\n\nI first read and consulted rec.guns in the summer of 1991. I\njust purchased my first firearm in early March of this year.\n\n NOt for lack of desire for a firearm, you understand. I could \nhave purchased a rifle or shotgun but didn\'t want one.\n-Case Kim\n\n\n',
'From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)\nSubject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 12\n\nzowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:\n\n>If you\'re planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine\n>(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car. But if you\'re making short drives,\n>stick to the 10W40.\n\nSeveral years ago GM was having trouble with the rings sticking on the\n5.7 diesel. They traced a cause to the use of 10W-40 oil. They would\nnot honor warranty work if 10W-40 was used (if my memory serves me).\n5-30, 10-30 or 20 50 was OK\'d though.\n\nMark B.\n',
'From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)\nSubject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight.\nIn-Reply-To: mkaye@world.std.com\'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:56:58 GMT\nOriginator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nReply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <C5J2qz.MnE@world.std.com> mkaye@world.std.com (Martin Kaye) writes:\n\n Great interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on CNN - Larry King Live (4/15/93)\n This guy is knows what he is talking about. He is truely charismatic,\n articulate, intelligent, and demonstrates real leadership qualities. \n\nI agree, but I wish I liked his politics.\n\n--\nStewart M. Clamen\t\t\tInternet: clamen@cs.cmu.edu\nSchool of Computer Science\t\tUUCP: \t uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"\nCarnegie Mellon University\t\tPhone: \t +1 412 268 2145\n5000 Forbes Avenue\t\t\tFax:\t +1 412 681 5739\nPittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA\n',
'From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson)\nSubject: Re: intolerance - eternal life - etc\nReply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu\nOrganization: not Sun Microsystems\nLines: 186\n\nI apologize if this article is slightly confusing, and late. The origonal\ndraft didn\'t make it through the moderators quote-screens. So I did\nviolence to it, but if you remember the article I am responding\nto it should still make sence.\n\nIn article 1850@geneva.rutgers.edu, jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) writes:\n>Hi Xian Netters, God bless you\n\nWhat, no hello for heathan netters?\n\nI feel all left out now. :(\n\n[deletia- table of content, intro, homosexuality]\n\n>\n>INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST\n\n[deletia- incorrect attributions]\n\nUh, you have your attributions wrong, you were responding\nto my article, so Dan Johnson should be the 1st one.\n\n>In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org \n>(Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n\n[deletia- no free gifts speil nuked by moderator fiat.]\n\n>I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can\n>manufacture for ourselves. Little in the cosmic sense.\n\nAh, in the _cosmic_ sence.. but who lives in the cosmic sence?\nNot me! Cosmicly, we don\'t even exist for all practical purposes.\nI can hardly use the Cosmic Sence Of Stuff as a guide to life.\nIt would just say: "don\'t bother."\n\nLuckily for mortals, there are many sences of scale you can talk\nabout. In a human sence, you can have big purposes.\n\n> Even the\n>greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical\n>oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust.\n\nBut the influence of Aristotle, Confucious, Alexander, Ceasar and\ncountless others is still with us, although their works have perished.\n\nBut they have changed to course of history, and while humanity exists,\ntheir deeds cannot be said to have come to nothing, even if they\nare utterly forgotten.\n\n>Mankind itself will one day perish.\n\nOne day, surely. (well, unless you believe in the Second Coming, which\nI do not)\n\nBut in that time we can make a difference.\n\n> Without some interconnectedness\n>that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the\n>end.\n\nIn the end. But it must be the end; until then, there is all the\npoint you can muster. And when that end comes, there will be nobody\nto ask, "Gee, I don\'t think James Sledd\'s deeds are gonna make\nmuch of a difference, ulitmately, ya know?".\n\nBut they will have already have made a difference, great or small,\nbefore the end.\n\nWhy must your ends be eternal to be worthwhile?\n\n> Most people are able to live with that, and for them little\n>purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others)\n>suffice.\n\nLittle is in the eye of the beholder, of course.\n\n> I suppose they never think about the cosmic scale, or are at\n>least able to put it out of their minds.\n\nI don\'t doubt it. But I have thought about the cosmic scale. And\nit does not seem to mean much to us, here, today.\n\n>To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion.\n\nI would not find this comforting. But perhaps it is merely my\ndefinitions. Here\'s what I think the relevant terms are:\n\n"Reality"\tThat which is real.\n"Illusion"\tThat which is not real, but seems to be.\n"Real"\t\tObjectively Existing\n\nFor "reality" to be an "illusion" would mean, then:\n\nThat which is real is not real, but seems to be.\n\nOr:\n\nThat which objectively exists, does not objectively exist, but\ndoes seem to objectively exist.\n\nFrom which we can conclude, that unless you want to get a\ncontradiction, that no things objectively exist.\n\nBut I have a problem with this because I would like to say\nthat *I* objectively exist, if nothing else. Cogito Ergo Sum\nand all that.\n\nPerhaps you do not mean all that, but rather mean:\n"Objective Reality is Unreachable by humans."\n\nWhich is not so bad, and so far as I know is true.\n\n> That the\n>true reality underneath the the physical is spirit.\n\nHave on. If reality is an illusion, isn\'t True Reality an illusion\ntoo? And if True Reality is spirit, doens\'t that make Spirit an Illusion\nas well?\n\nIf I am not distinctly confused, this is getting positively Buddhist.\n\n> That this world is a school of sorts, where we learn\n>and grow, and our souls mature.\n\nThat is one hell of a statement, although perhaps true.\n\nDo you mean to imply that it was *intended* to be so? If so,\nplease show that this is true. If not, please explain how this\ncan give a purpose to anything.\n\n> That gives a purpose to my little purposes,\n\nHow does it do that?\n\nWouldn\'t the world=school w/ intent idea make the world a preparation for\nsome *greater* purpose, rather than a purpose in itself.\n\n> and takes some of the pressure off.\n\nWhat pressure?\n\n> It\'s not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms\n>if you\'re really just here to learn.\n\nIt is not necessary to be a success in human terms, unless your\ngoals either include doing so or require doing so before they\nthemselves can be achived.\n\nIndeed, many people have set goals for themselves that\ndo not include success in human terms as _I_ understand it. Check\nout yer Buddhist monk type guy. Out for nirvana, which is not\nat all the same thing.\n\n> It\'s more important to progress,\n>grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your\n>love, especially when it\'s dificult to do so. Honest effort is rewarded\n>by God, he knows our limitations.\n\nWhy is learning to love a goal? What happens if you fail in this\ngoal? To you? To God? To the mysterious Purpose?\n\n\n[deletia- question about immortailty and my answer deleted because it was\n mostly quote.]\n\n>TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION\n>1. What is the nature of eternal life?\n>2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it?\n>\n>Possible answer for #2: The best we can do is Metaphor/Analogy\n>Question 2A What is the best metaphor?\n\nI\'ll have a crack at that.\n\n(1) The nature of eternal life is neatly described by its name: It is\nthe concept of life without death, life without end.\n\n(2) No. We can put together word to describe it, but we cannot imagine it.\n\n(2a) No metaphor is adequate next to eternity; if it were we could not\nunderstand it either. (or so I suspect)\n---\n\t\t\t- Dan Johnson\nAnd God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0\n\nThese opinions probably show what I know.\n',
"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein)\nSubject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details\nOrganization: IR\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.052005.20665@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n> Nothing was said about where K_P comes from.\n\nOh? Hellman said ``each user will get to choose his or her own key.''\nThat's the key which I called K_P, the session key. According to\nHellman, if Alice and Bob are communicating with the Clipper Chip,\nthen Alice chooses ``her own key'' and Bob chooses ``his own key.''\nThis is incompatible with the suggestion that when Alice and Bob are\ntalking, they use a _common_ K_P, chosen by classical or public-key\napproaches.\n\nThe protocol/key-management description published so far is either\nincomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system\nwould actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that\nwe get full details.\n\n---Dan\n",
'From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes...\n>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For\n>example, Why couldn\'t Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"\n>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if\n>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy\n>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. \n\nIt can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one. \n ___ _____ ___\n /_ /| /____/ \\ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\n | | | | __ \\ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |\n ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand\n/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and\n|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.\n\n',
"From: eialbur@sgies9.sdrc.com (Ron Albury)\nSubject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems....\nOrganization: SDRC\nLines: 14\n\nYou have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than\nin DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using.\n\nTry the following:\n 1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to. The\n cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine\n it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters.\n\n 2) Use a different UART for your serial line. The old UART's (8250 or 16450)\n can only buffer one character internally. The new UART's (16550) can\n buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations. You can run\n \\windows\\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine.\n\nRon\n",
"From: abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott)\nSubject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??\nNntp-Posting-Host: priory\nOrganization: TP Performance\nLines: 18\n\n\nIn article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com>, tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes...\n>Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every\n>once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water\n>under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually happens\n>after a good thunder storm. A few Qs:\n> \n>1) Is this a common problem?\n>2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?\n> \n\nI had the same problem in my '90 MX-6. Luckily I had it fixed\nunder warranty. I think they replaced a tail light gasket.\nCheck with a dealer, it's a known problem.\n\n------------------------\nRobert K. Abbott\nabbott@tps.enet.dec.com \n",
'From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)\nSubject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year\'s biggest and worst (opinion)...]\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nLines: 80\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.165617.3215@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr13.144030.28994@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:\n> \n> >So Roussel was giving up almost another goal a game while facing a proportional\n> >number of shots for the number of minutes he played, and while I have\'t\n> >actually checked I believe that he faced a lower quality of opponent.\n> \n> Make that less than half a goal a game. The lower quality of opponet\n> argument is immaterial as neither Roussel nor Soderstrom had any say in\n> the matter. That was Dineen\'s decision.\n\nSo in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out\nthe Penguins, that\'s immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on,\nJoe, think about what you\'re saying! Who they played is VERY significant.\nWhy they played them is what\'s irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams\nis better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two\ngoaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good\nteams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context\nof comparing two goaltenders.\n\n> > The fact of the matter is that, despite last nights shutout, he doesn\'t\n> > have what it takes. Last night was due to an inept Ranger team much more\n> > than Roussel\'s skill. A 3 on 1 and they don\'t get a shot away? A 2 on none\n> > and one guy just passes and stops, the other guy shoots into Roussel\'s pad?\n> \n> C\'mon, Pete? So the Rangers were inept. A shutout is a shutout. During\n> both of Soderstrom\'s masterpieces against Toronto, Mike Emerich was quoted\n> as saying he didn\'t think the Leafs had much offensive firepower past their\n> first line. Does that make Soderstrom\'s shutouts less impressive because of\n> Toronto\'s lack of offense?\n\nYES IT DOES! Absolutely. **In the context of comparing two goaltenders**.\nOf course, at the end of the season 2 points is 2 points no matter how you\nget them. And on the score sheets shutouts are shutouts. But if you\'re a\ncoach deciding between two goalies, or a GM looking to make a trade, you\nhave got to look deeper than the stat sheets. I didn\'t see the second Toronto\ngame, but the first one was a defensive masterpiece. There was nothing in\nthat game to judge Tommy Soderstrom on because he wasn\'t tested. The same\nfor Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a\ngreat play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If\nyou were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by.\n\nBut if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie\nstand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel\ndoesn\'t have a game like that in him.\n\n> Well if you look back to November when Roussel was the #1 goalie (Soderstrom\n> was being treated for his heart ailment). The Flyers finished November at\n> 6-3-1 and were 9-10-4 overall. And there\'s no way of knowing where the Flyers\n> would have finished if Soderstom wasn\'t wearing the oragne \'n black. I\'m glad\n> we don\'t have to find out anytime soon either because he is one hell of a\n> player. I would take him over Roussel right now, but I still think Dom has\n> what it takes to be the #1 guy. He outperformed Hextall enough during the\n> \'91-92 season to make Flyers management think that way too.\n\nDon\'t be so sure of that. FLYERS management never says bad thing about\nRoussel, but they don\'t say too much on the good side either. I\'ve seen\nat least two interviews where every time Farwell was asked how happy he was\nto have two good goaltenders, it was Tommy this, Tommy that, and oh, yeah,\nDom has played well too.\n\n> By the way, what was the final card on Monday night? Team picture by any\n> chance?\n\nFLYERS in the NHL Hall of Fame. Kinda dull, really. They handed out a\nteam picture to everybody who walked in from Pizza Hut, but it was the\nsame picture they sold in the programs in mid-season. Had names like Benning,\nKasper...\n\n> And how did the Flyers choose the fans who received "the shirts off our\n> backs?" Winning Recchi\'s jersey after breaking the club\'s single season\n> point record would have been nice. But knowing your luck you would have\n> won Roussel\'s:-)!\n\nMostly random seat locations, some were given out by having certain\nautographs on the team photos. I don\'t like that method since I\'ve seen\nguards help out people get things like Lindros pictures, surely if they\ngot their hands on an autographed picture they\'d hold \'em for their buddies.\n\npete clark\n',
'From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)\nSubject: Re: nuclear waste\nOrganization: Texas Instruments Inc\nLines: 78\n\nIn <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr1.204657.29451@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n\n>>>This system would produce enough energy to drive the accelerator,\n>>>perhaps with some left over. A very high power (100\'s of MW CW or\n>>>quasi CW), very sharp proton beam would be required, but this appears\n>>>achievable using a linear accelerator. The biggest question mark\n>>>would be the lead target chemistry and the on-line processing of all\n>>>the elements being incinerated.\n>>\n>>Paul, quite frankly I\'ll believe that this is really going to work on\n>>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple\n>>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end,\n>>plus be able to run it off its own residual power. Sounds almost like\n>>perpetual motion, doesn\'t it?\n\n>Fred, the honest thing to do would be to admit your criticism on\n>scientific grounds was invalid, rather than pretend you were actually\n>talking about engineering feasibility. Given you postings, I can\'t\n>say I am surprised, though.\n\nWell, pardon me for trying to continue the discussion rather than just\ntugging my forelock in dismay at having not considered actually trying\nto recover the energy from this process (which is at least trying to\ngo the \'right\' way on the energy curve). Now, where *did* I put those\nsackcloth and ashes?\n\n[I was not and am not \'pretending\' anything; I am *so* pleased you are\nnot surprised, though.]\n\n>No, it is nothing like perpetual motion. \n\nNote that I didn\'t say it was perpetual motion, or even that it\nsounded like perpetual motion; the phrase was "sounds almost like\nperpetual motion", which I, at least, consider a somewhat different\npropposition than the one you elect to criticize. Perhaps I should\nbeg your pardon for being *too* precise in my use of language?\n\n>The physics is well\n>understood; the energy comes from fission of actinides in subcritical\n>assemblies. Folks have talked about spallation reactors since the\n>1950s. Pulsed spallation neutron sources are in use today as research\n>tools. Accelerator design has been improving, particularly with\n>superconducting accelerating cavities, which helps feasibility. Los\n>Alamos has expertise in high current accelerators (LAMPF), so I\n>believe they know what they are talking about.\n\nI will believe that this process comes even close to approaching\ntechnological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the\ntrash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of\nseparating things first and having a different \'run\' for each\nactinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull\n(relatively) clean material out the other. Once the costs,\ntechnological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this\none with the idea of throwing waste into the sun. Sure, it\'s possible\nand the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable\napproach? \n\nAnd I still wonder at what sort of \'burning\' rate you could get with\nsomething like this, as opposed to what kind of energy you would\nreally recover as opposed to what it would cost to build and power\nwith and without the energy recovery. Are we talking ounces, pounds,\nor tons (grams, kilograms, or metric tons, for you SI fans) of\nmaterial and are we talking days, weeks, months, or years (days,\nweeks, months or years, for you SI fans -- hmmm, still using a\nnon-decimated time scale, I see ;-))?\n\n>The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being\n>built is that there isn\'t any reason to do so. Natural uranium is\n>still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks\n>technically reasonable.\n\n-- \n"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don\'t have the balls to live\n in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don\'t speak for others and they don\'t speak for me.\n',
'From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nReply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 106\n\nTo what follows, our moderator has already answered the charge of \narrogance more ably that I could have done so, so I will confine\nmyself to answering the charge of illogic.\n \nIn a previous article, Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno) says:\n\n>>If I don\'t think my belief is right and everyone else\'s belief is wrong,\n>>then I don\'t have a belief. This is simply what belief means.\n>\n>Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when\n>it comes to their religion. \n\nThis is how everyone in the western intellectual tradition is, or was,\ntaught to think. It is the fundamental premis "A is not not-A". If a thing\nis true then its converse is necessarilly false. Without this basic \nasumption theology and science as we know them are alike impossible. We\nshould distinguish the strong and weak meanings of the word "believe",\nhowever. The weak sense means I am not sure. "I believe Tom went to \nthe library." (but he could have gone to the track). The strong sense\nmeans I am so certain that I use it as a basis of thought. "I believe \nthat nature operates according to certain fundamental laws." (despite \nthe fact that nature *appears* capricious and unpredictable). Christian\nbelief is of the strong kind. (Though Christians may well hold beliefs\nof the weak kind on any number of theological and ecclesiological \ntopics.)\n \n>Some take it to the extreme and say that\n>their religion is the ONLY one and if you don\'t accept their teachings\n>then you won\'t be "saved". \n\nNote that these are two separate ideas. Most hold the first view, but the \nmajority do not hold the second. Is is again a matter of pure logic that\nif Christanity is true, then Hinduism (for example) must necessarilly be\nfalse, insofar as it contradicts or is incompatible with, Christaianity. \n(And, as a matter of *logic*, vice versa.)\n \n>It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim\n>to know what God thinks/wants. \n\nIt is arrogant to claim to know what *anyone* thinks or wants, unless \nthey have told you. Christians believe God has told us what he thinks\nand wants.\n\n>Especially when it\'s based upon your\n>interpretation of a book. \n\nMost Christians do not base their belief on the Bible, but on the living\ntradition of the Church established by Christ and guided constantly\nby the Holy Spirit. The Bible is simply the written core of that tradition.\n\n>The logic in the above statement is faulty\n>in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can\'t both be\n>correct. \n\nIf depends what you mean by differing. If I believe Tom is six feet\ntall and you believe he weighs 200 pounds, our beliefs differ, but we \nmay both be right. If I believe Tom is six feet tall and you beleive\nthat he is four foot nine, one of us, at least, must be wrong.\n \n>It\'s all about perception. No two people are exactly alike.\n>No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that\n>there is one truth. Call it God\'s truth, a universal truth, or call it\n>what you will. I don\'t believe God presents this truth. I think it is\n>just there and it\'s up to you to look for and see it, through prayer,\n>meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may\n>perceive this truth differently, it doesn\'t mean one is wrong and the\n>other is right. \n\nThus you believe that there is a single truth but that no human being \ncan find it. You assert that anyone who believe that we can find \nabsolute truth is mistaken. In short, you believe that anyone who\ndoes not share your belief on this point is wrong. QED.\n\n>As an example, take the question, "Is the glass half\n>empty or half full"? You can have two different answers which are\n>contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be\n>true, does not require everyone else\'s belief to be wrong.\n\nHere I begin to suspect that your real difficulty is not with the\nknowability of truth, but simply with language. Saying that the glass \nis half empty is not a contradiction of the statement that it is half\nfull: it is the same fact expressed in different words. (The whole\npoint of this phrase is to illustrate the different ways the pessimist\nand the optimist express the *same* fact.)\n \nIt is, of course, quite true that different people may express the \nsame belief in different words. It is also true that they may fail\nto understand each other\'s words as expressions of the same belief\nand may argue bitterly and believe that they are miles apart. Great\nscisms have occurred in just this way, and much ecumenical work has\nbeen done simply in resolving differences in language which conceal\nagreement in belief. This does not mean, in any sense, that all beliefs\nare equally valid. Since some of the beliefs people hold contradict\nsome other beliefs that other people hold, after all obfuscations\nof language and culture in the expression of those beliefs have\nbeen stripped away, some of the beliefs that some people hold must,\n**necessarilly** be false, and it is neither arrogant nor illogical\nto say so. If I believe X and you believe Y we may both be correct, \nbut if Y is equivalent to not-X then one of us is wrong and as long\nas we hold our respective beliefs, we must each regard the other \nas in error.\n-- \n==============================================================================\nMark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but \naa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis\n==============================================================================\n',
"From: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV))\nSubject: transparent widgets--how?\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\nCc: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp\n\nI need to write an application which does annotation notes\non existing documents. The annotation could be done several\ntimes by different people. The idea is something like having\nseveral acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other\nso that the user can see through all of them. I've seen\nsomething like this being done by the oclock client.\nCould someone please tell me how to do it in Xt?\nThank you very much.\n",
"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nDistribution: na\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 39\n\nSteve Kao (k@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote:\n: Frank Crary posted:\n: : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the\n: : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that\n: : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without\n: : any paperwork at all.\n\n: Steve Manes asks:\n: > Got a citation for this?\n\n: Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun\n: control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK. His book,\n: _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name\n: may be misspelled).\n\nOthers dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, <America As A Gun Culture>,\nand Newton and Zimring's <Firearms and Violence in American Life>. But,\nagain, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to\nquantify.\n\nI don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO\neffect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun\nhomicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More\nAmerican children accidentally shot other children last year (15)\nthan all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National\nSafety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs\nTOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison).\n\nIf Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and\ncoordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my\nfriend, Amanda from Brighton. I used to have some pretty nice\ncrystal in my place until she moved in. I've gotten used to the\nsnide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber\nwine glasses.\n\n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t New York, NY, USA =o&>o\n\n",
'From: duck@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Ducklin)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nOrganization: CSIR, South AFrica\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za\nX-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official\nX-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries.\nX-Disclaimer: ** So don\'t freak out at _us_ about anything **\n\n\ngtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:\n\n>Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run\n>digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I\'ve heard it\'s not. Lets\n>say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate\n>be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?\n\nIt\'s all easy with a DSP. The Olivetti Quaderno, for example [*great* 1kg\nsubnotebook/palmtop PC -- sorry for the plug, folks, but Olivetti don\'t\nseem to be doing a good job marketing it themselves :-)] includes sound\ndigitisation hardware; they provide vocoders for their DSP which produce\nvarous bit-rates. There\'s one which gives pretty acceptable voice\nquality at 13Kbit/sec, just right for a V.32bis modem.\n\nTheir DSP can play and record at the same time, too -- so you wouldn\'t\nneed to play "two-way-radio". You can also download code to the DSP\nsubunit, though you\'d need a software development kit for the DSP in \nquestion [dunno which it is...] if you wanted to produce your own \nvocoder for, say, V.32 speeds.\n\nPaul\n\n /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\\n \\ Paul Ducklin duck@nuustak.csir.co.za /\n / CSIR Computer Virus Lab + Box 395 + Pretoria + 0001 S Africa \\\n \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\n',
'From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy)\nSubject: 8*24 card questions\nOrganization: Howtek, Inc.\nReply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy)\nX-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2\nLines: 31\n\nI\'m considering buying one of these to offload the internal video\nin my IIci and to get 24 bit color capability on my 13" monitor. What\'s\nthe deal on them?\n\n1) Do they come with varying amounts of RAM? If so, what is the max\nand min? How much do I need for 640 x 480 x 24 bits?\n\n2) What bit depths are supported? One, 2, 4, 8, 16, and 24?\n\n3) Are all these cards accelerated or just some? Is it true that\nmodern accelerated video cards are (at least in general) faster? What\nbit depths are accelerated, all or just 24 bit? I\'ve heard that some\napplications actually run *slower* with this card if they write directly\nto the screen (or something like that). Is this a frequent problem?\nHow much slower is it?\n\n4) Didn\'t I read (when System 7 first came out) that the card was\nincompatible? If so, how was this corrected (Finder patch, some INIT,\nor other)? Has it been kept compatible with 7.1? Are there many other\napps that it is incompatible with (games or important (i.e., non-\nMicrosloth) apps, for example)?\n\n5) If you have a strong opinion on it\'s value for someone in my position,\nlet me know what you think a reasonable price is to pay for it.\n\nThanks a lot for you input.\nRick\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\nRick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED\nDisclaimer: My employer\'s views are orthogonal to these.\nThe early bird got worms.\n',
'From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nNntp-Posting-Host: cortex.physiol.su.oz.au\nOrganization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia\nLines: 29\n\nIn <C5nFDG.8En@sdf.lonestar.org> marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes:\n\n>>\n>>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that\n>>the "natural" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not\n>>cause the reported aftereffects; it\'s only that nasty "artificial" MSG -\n>>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant\n>>Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it?\n\nMSG is mono sodium glutamate, a fairly straight forward compound. If it is\npure, the source should not be a problem. Your comment suggests that \nimpurities may be the cause.\nMy experience of MSG effects (as part of a double blind study) was that the\npure stuff caused me some rather severe effects.\n\n>I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on\n>our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are \n>there other sources of MSG?\n\nSoya bean, fermented cheeses, mushrooms all contain MSG. \n\n>I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However,\n>I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each\n>causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat\n>and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant.\n\nThe symptoms I had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance\nfollowed by the arms then the legs, headache, lethargy and unable to keep\nawake. I think it may well affect people differently.\n',
"From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)\nSubject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50\nArticle-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.130550.13550\nReply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil\nOrganization: Grumman Data Systems\nLines: 9\nNntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8755]: invader.navo.navy.mil\n\nAs an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively\nin the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus,\n70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI. I've never had an oil-related\nproblem.\n\nDisclaimer: It gets mighty hot down here.\n\nKenneth\nfinnegan@navo.navy.mil\n",
"Subject: Re: Mac OS on a 486!!! \nFrom: Keith Whitehead <sir@office.acme.gen.nz>\nX-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version\nLines: 45\n\n\nIn article <C508BJ.6E2@imag.fr>, you write:\n> \n> hillman (hillman@plk.af.mil) wrote:\n> : deathbird+@CMU.EDU (Donpaul C. Stephens)\n> : \n> : kind of slated wouldn't you say?) Who is going to throw all that to \nthe \n> : side and get the Mac OS for 486???\n\nNot Quite the point to be considdered here!\nFact: If/When Apple release system 7 (or what ever is current at the time \nof release) then you will see shortly afterwards Apple no longer producing \nHardware...Look at Next with their NextStep486 to see what happens.\nWho is going to pay Apples Prices when they can get the same thing cheaper \nelse where! (Heck we can get a Sun Workstation cheaper than a Quadra, and \ninfact we have a number of times!!!, it ALL comes down to $$$$)\n\n> : If Apple released this before windows 3.0 was released I'd be behind \nthem,\n> : they missed the boat. So why is Apple continued development. Will it\n> : support the P5 to its fullest capabilities? Run faster than Windows? \nIt\n> : must do something significantly better than Windows and OS2 to warrent\n> : being released.\n\n\nNo the continued develeopment is because there is becomming less and less \nprofit in Hardware, So the Next Step (no pun intended...well sort of), is \nto make the money in software (look at Microsoft if you think it can't \nhappen!), after all you can sell multiple pieces of software to ONE \nhardware platform.\n\nAs you also said Windows is a nightmare for programmers, so will the \ntemptation to sell system 7 to a couple of MILLION dos users be too much \nfor Apple! (50 million copies @ $100 is SERIOUS money!).\n\n--\n\n\n==========================================================================\n: Sir@office.acme.gen.nz :\n: :\n: Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for! :\n==========================================================================\n",
'From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)\nSubject: Re: Glutamate\nNntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1qrsr6$d59@access.digex.net> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes:\n>In article <lso15qINNkpr@news.bbn.com> sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes:\n>> From the N.E.J.Med. editorial: "The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate\n>> is not only an essential amino acid ...\n>\n>Glutamate is not an essential amino acid. People can survive quite well\n>without ever eating any.\n\nThere is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your\nbody needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can\nproduce enough of it without supplement.\n\nJason Chen\n',
'From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com\n\nIn article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n>through private contributions on Federal land". Your hate-mongering\n>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content\n>and social value. Down the toilet it goes.....\n>\n\nAnd we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things\nconcerning Israel.\n\nNeither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to\nrecognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In\notherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And\nfinalyy, how does "Federal land" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien\nmonument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money\nto a foreign entity?\n\nThat "Federal land" and tax money could have been used to commerate\nAmericans or better yet, to house homeless Americans.\n\n',
'From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nLines: 41\nNntp-Posting-Host: pc137\nOrganization: Ostfold College\n\nIn article <NERONE.93Apr20085951@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu> nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes:\n>From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)\n>Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split\n>Date: 20 Apr 93 08:59:51\n>In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n>\n> CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in\n> CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of\n> CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to\n> CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this\n> CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.\n> CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for\n> CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?\n> CH> Just curious.\n>\n>I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups\n>already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly\n>into one of these categories.\n>\n>Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga\n>groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split\n>would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured\n>environment.\n>\n>--\n> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\\n> / Michael Nerone \\"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\\\n> / Internet Address: \\since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\\\n>/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\\to pardon it."-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\\\n\n\nMaybe I should point out that we are not talking about c.s.amiga.*.\nOnly comp.graphics.\n\nArff\n"Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values,\nwho\'s birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And \noften disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear \na seeing man prizeing what he sees." Per Lagerkvist, The Fist \n(Free translation from Swedish)\n --Andreas Arff andreasa@dhhalden.no--\n',
'From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 60\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:\n>In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,\n>\n>\t\t\t\t\tPardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference\n>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.\n>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an\n>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?\n> They sound like one and the same to me.\n\n> Pixie\n>\n>\n> p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow\n>it blindly? \n\n\tWhy do we follow God so blindly? Have you ever asked a\nphysically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog?\nThe answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person\ncannot.\n\n\tI acknowledge, as a Christian, that I am blind. I see,\nbut I see illusions as well as reality. (Watched TV lately?)\nI hear, but I hear lies as well as truth. (Listen to your \nradio or read a newspaper.) Remember, all that tastes well is\nnot healthy. So, I rely one the one who can see, hear, and\ntaste everything, and knows what is real, and what is not.\nThat is God.\n\n\tOf course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses,\nhow do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or\na lie. That is why we need faith to be saved. We must force\nourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us\nenough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think\nwe know. Why would He have created us if He did not love us \nenough to help us through this world?\n\n\tI also do trust my experiences to some extent. When\nI do things that defy the seeming logic of my experience, \nbecause it is what my Father commands me to do, and I see\nthe results in the long term, I find that He has led me\nin the proper direction, even though it did not feel right\nat the time. This is where our works as Christians are\nimportant: As exercises of the body make the body strong,\nexcercises of faith make the faith strong. \n\n\tAs for you, no one can "convert" you. You must\nchoose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to\nfollow Him. All we as Christians wish to do is share with\nyou the love we have received from God. If you reject that,\nwe have to accept your decision, although we always keep\nthe offer open to you. If you really want to find out\nwhy we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try\npraying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians\nabout their experiences personally. Then you may grow to\nunderstand why we believe what we do, in defiance of the\nlogic of this world.\n\n\tMay the Lord bring peace to you, \n\t\t\t\n\t\t\tMalcusco \n',
"From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com\nSubject: Serdar\nOrganization: 4th Dimension BBS\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nWhat an anal retentive you are wimp.\n\n********************************************************************\nSystem: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565\nCute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry\n********************************************************************\n\n",
"From: bill_paxton@fourd.com\nSubject: Ajerk\nOrganization: 4th Dimension BBS\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nYou a good case for rights to abortion.\n\n********************************************************************\nSystem: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565\nCute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry\n********************************************************************\n\n",
'Organization: University of Maine System\nFrom: <IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>\nSubject: Grateful Dead?\nLines: 15\n\nBeing a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band I was\nwondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the Dead (or members\nof) sang the national anthem at todays Giant opener?\n\nI would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know, but\nan answer would be greatly appreciated.\n\n\n Curious,\n Robert\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\nROBERT MARGESSON UMAINE HOCKEY\n156 PARK ST. C5 BLACK BEARS\nORONO, ME 04473 1993 NCAA CHAMPS\n(207)866-7342 42-1-2\n',
'From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck)\nSubject: WI and IL firearms law Questions\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13\n\n\n\nA couple of questions for you firearms law experts out there: \n\nQuestion #1\n\nAccording to the NRA/ILA state firearms lawbook, in Wisconsin it is\n\'unlawful for any person except a peace officer to go armed* with a \n"concealed and dangerous weapon." There is no statutory provision for\nobtaining a lixense or permit to carry a concealed weapon.\'\n\n* Jury instructions indicate that \'to go armed\' one must have a firearm\non one\'s person or within his immediate control and available for use.\n\n\n\nDoes this mean that open carry is allowed? If so, just how \'open\' does it\nhave to be? Would an in the pants holster be considered concealing? What\nif one had their jacket on and it partially covered the weapon? Also,\nis there any way to be allowed to carry concealed, or is it just not allowed,\nperiod? \n\nQuestion #2\n\nAs I understand it, in Evanston, IL, they have a ordinance banning handguns.\nIs there any way to get around this provision? What would the penalty if\nyou were found out be? What if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting\nin your apartment there? How would the city law apply to your impending \ntrial for the shooting?\nAlso, what is IL state law concerning short barreled weapons? Short barreled\nshotgun is what I would be interested in if a handgun were not available, \neither that or a shortened 9mm carbine (ie Colt, Marlin). \nOne more thing, what is the chance of getting a CCW permit in IL without being\nrich or famous or related to the mayor?\n\nPlease send replies via E-Mail, as things seem to be piling up around t.p.g\na little faster than I can handle. Thanks again \n------- Steve Syck syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu --------\n\n',
'From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes:\n\n[DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE\n[DG] by Theodore J. O\'Keefe\n[DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson\n[DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial,\n[DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of\n[DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet\n[DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all\n[DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a\n[DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false\n[DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American\n[DG] members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of\n[DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda\n[DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer,\n[DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America.\n\n[JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first\n[JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash.\n\nJake, I\'m really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph\nto see that it was "bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash". :-)\n\nThe article title "THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND \nDANGEROUS MISTAKE" should have been enough! :-)\n\nTsiel\n-- \n----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------\nTsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp\t | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me\nEmployer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible.\nopinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing.\n',
"From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)\nSubject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco.\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1pqdor$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:\n>The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and \n>Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany.\n\nI think the problem here is that I pretty much ignored the part\nabout the Jews sightseeing for 2000 years, thinking instead that\nthe important part of what the original poster said was the bit\nabout killing Palestinians. In retrospect, I can see how the\nsightseeing thing would be offensive to many. I originally saw\nit just as poetic license, but it's understandable that others\nmight see it differently. I still think that Ken came on a bit\nstrong though. I also think that your advice to Masud Khan:\n\n #Before you argue with someone like Mr Arromdee, it's a good idea to\n #do a little homework, or at least think.\n\nwas unnecessary.\n\n>That's right. There have been. There have also been people who\n>were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere\n>without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the\n>street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly\n>acceptable.\n>\n>Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why\n>don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand?\n\nThroughout all your articles in this thread there is the tacit\nassumption that the original poster was exhibiting casual\nanti-semitism. If I agreed with that, then maybe your speech\non why this is bad might have been relevant. But I think you're\nreading a lot into one flip sentence. While probably not\ntrue in this case, too often the charge of anti-semitism gets\nthrown around in order to stifle legitimate criticism of the\nstate of Israel.\n\nAnyway, I'd rather be somewhere else, so I'm outta this thread.\n--\nDoug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own.\n",
'From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We\'re Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 63\n\nIn article <C4tr3M.Eqw@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more\n>culturally similar, namely the Canadians...\n\nI don\'t think such a Canada is any more "culturally similar" to\nthe United States than England. In terms of laws regarding individual\nrights, restrictions on police searches, etc... (all closely\nrelated to crime) Canadian laws parallel England\'s and differ\ngreatly from those of the United States.\n \n>...In fact, an exhaustive,\n>seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates\n>of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities\n>with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography\n>and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control.\n\nActually, they do not have "roughly the same... urban economy", \nand extremely different ethnic composition.\n\n>Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle\n>(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000).\n>After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations,\n>the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as\n>compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63.\n\nHowever, if you account for economic and ethnic differences,\nthe difference disappears completely: Seattle\'s minorities are\npredominatly poor, while Vancouver\'s are middle or upper class.\nThe rates for whites in both cities were found to be identicle,\nwhile the rate for poor, Seattle minorities was almost three\ntimes as great as for the well-to-do minorities of Vancouver.\nThe pattern seems to be one of poverty and race relations, not\none of gun control.\n\n>The authors of the report also investigated "legally justifiable"\n>homicides (self-defense). Only 32 such homicides occurred during\n>the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police. Only\n>21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred...\n\nThat is a gross distortion: "Self-defense" does not mean killing\nthe attacker. There were 21 cases of civilians killing their \nattacker in self-defence. But such cases represent less that\n0.5% of the crimes prevented by armed self-defence; for every\ncase you cite, there were over 200 other cases of self-defence\nwhere the crime was prevented but the attacker was not killed.\n(0.5%, by the way, is the most conservative possible figure,\nbased on the National Crime Survey\'s estimate of 80,000\ncrimes prevented by armed self-defence each year. Most other \nstudies on the subject put the figure at 500,000 to 600,000.\nThose figures would imply less than 0.08% of sucessful self-defences\ninvolve killing the attacker.) \n\nSo, more correctly, there over 4000 (possibly as many as 25,000) \ncases of civilians acting in self-defence, only 21 of which resulted\nin the death of the attacker. This is a significant factor, in\ncomparison to the 592 homicides. If memory serves, homicides\nmake up approximately 1% of the violent crimes the study\nconsidered, so the fair comparison would be 40 - 250 homicides\nprevented and 592 homicides. Clearly, the study can not be\nclose to accurate, since it ignored these cases of self-defence.\n\n Frank Crary\n CU Boulder\n',
'From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)\nSubject: EC BHP limit vetoed\nLines: 12\n\nAccording to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few\nothers have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP. The\nreason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a\nrare example of governmental wisdom. The limit has a five year\nmoratorium on it, and "specialist" manufacturers will be exempt anyway. \nAny suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the\nmarket in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is\nthe sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks.\n\nYou heard it here first.\n\nBill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust.\n',
"From: billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen)\nSubject: RE: alt.psychoactives\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 35\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpcspe17.col.hp.com\n\nFYI...I just posted this on alt.psychoactives as a response to\nwhat the group is for......\n\n\nA note to the users of alt.psychoactives....\n\nThis group was originally a takeoff from sci.med. The reason for\nthe formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive\ndrugs....such as antidepressents(tri-cyclics, Prozac, Lithium,etc),\nantipsychotics(Melleral(sp?), etc), OCD drugs(Anafranil, etc), and\nso on and so forth. It didn't take long for this group to degenerate\ninto a psudo alt.drugs atmosphere. That's to bad, for most of the\nserious folks that wanted to start this group in the first place have\nleft and gone back to sci.med, where you have to cypher through\nhundreds of unrelated articles to find psychoactive data.\n\nIt was also to discuss real-life experiences and side effects of\nthe above mentioned.\n\nOh well, I had unsubscribed to this group for some time, and I decided\nto check it today to see if anything had changed....nope....same old\nnine or ten crap articles that this group was never intended for.\n\nI think it is very hard to have a meaningfull group without it\nbeing moderated...too bad.\n\nOh well, obviously, no one really cares.\n\nBill Claussen\n\n\nWould anyone be interested in starting a similar moderated group?\n\nBill Claussen\n\n",
'From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas)\nSubject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.024128.9119@ncsu.edu> ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes:\n>\t(normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode\n>\tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a \n>\tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You\'ll have to \n>\texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n>\tMS Windows world.\n>\tThanks.\n>\t====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========\n\t\n\tFirst of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is\na trivial answer and that\'s perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed\nto move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so\nmuch enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not\n justified...\nPlease refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is\nOK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with\nthe settings in the \'Fonts..." dialog box under the window control menu (that\nlittle square at the top left corner of the window..). \n\n\n-- \nCostas Malamas ____________________________________________________________\nGeorgia Institute of Technology \nOIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT\'s... \nInternet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu\n',
"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: Portable Small Ground Station?dir\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.185700.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 21\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nIn article <C4zGAM.2nJ@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr2.214705.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>>How difficult would it be to set up your own ground station?\n> \n> Ground station for *what*? At one extreme, some of the amateur-radio\n> satellites have sometimes been reachable with hand-held radios. At the\n> other, nothing you can do in your back yard will let you listen in on\n> Galileo. Please be more specific.\n> -- \n> All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n> - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n\n\nSPECIFIC:\nBasically to be able to do the things the big dadies can do.. Monitor, and\ncontrol if need be the Shuttle...\n\nSuch as the one in Australia and such....\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n",
"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)\nSubject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets?\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes:\n> The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets\n> to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would\n> it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?\n> \n> Dean Money\n> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n Here is my traditional experience with tickets, playoffs and otherwise,\nat the Civic Arena.\n\n Scalping is illegal but nonetheless present outside the Arena. Best \nstrategy, given that you don't mind missing the Anthem (which is OK if B.E.\nTaylor decides to come back ever again :) ) is to wait until 7:40 or 7:45,\nwhen the game is rolling; the scalpers are at this point desperate to sell\nand will reduce to near or at face value to get rid of their tickets.\n\n Playoffs are a little different in that good seats will go early on; \nwhat's left at 7:45 may be nosebleed material (D, E sections).\n\nOthers can add on their opinions as well.\n\nKevin L. Stamber\nPurdue University\nPENGUINS 6 DEVILS 3 -- Pens lead series 1 game to none\n\n\n",
"From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard)\nSubject: Re: does dos6 defragment??\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51H9M.46p\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 12\n\nGeoffrey S. Elbo writes:\n\n>Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB \n>hard disk in 20 minutes.\n\n\tI found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk.\nIs it just a strip-down version of the later?\n\n\tI have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering \nif I need to install MS Backup?\n\nRichard\n",
'From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis)\nSubject: Re: How Redirect PRINT MANAGER To FILE?\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 33\n\nu7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw ("By SWH ) writes:\n\n>Who can tell me which program (PD or ShareWare) can redirect windows 3.1\'s\n>output of printer manager to file? \n\n>\tI want to capture HP Laser Jet III\'s print output.\n\n> \tThough PostScript can setup print to file,but HP can\'t.\n\n>\tI use DOS\'s redirect program,but they can\'t work in windows.\n\n>\t\tThankx for any help...\n>--\n> Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw\n\n> English Name: Erik Wang\n> Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang\n\n> National Chiao-Tung University,Taiwan,R.O.C.\n\nTry setting up another HPIII printer but when choosing what port to connect it\nto choose FILE instead of like :LPT1. This will prompt you for a file name\neverytime you print with that "HPIII on FILE" printer. Good Luck.\n\n\nBrian Servis\n===========================================================================\n|| servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || "It Happened This Way" ||\n===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims||\n|| What I say may not be what I || ||\n|| think. What I say may not be || "The pedestrian had no idea which ||\n|| what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over." ||\n===========================================================================\n',
'From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)\nSubject: Re: Yankees win home opener\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu\n\nIn article <93105.124117RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:\n} In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam\n} Millitello) says:\n} \n} i\'m telling you, sam, three l\'s. call up mom and ask.\n} \n} bob vesterman.\n} \nyeah, and in case even that isn\'t enough to prompt boy genius\n"Sam" to pick up a paper and see how "his" name is spelled,\nhere\'s another hint: the single "L" comes between the two "I"s...\n\n-*-\ncharles\n',
'From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green)\nSubject: Proton/Centaur?\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 9\n\nHas anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo?\nWhat would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other\nthan the obvious instability in the XSSR now)?\n\n\n/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\\ \n| "I know you believe you understand what it is that you | \n| think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that |\n| what I said is not what I meant." |\n',
'From: shapiro-david@yale.edu (David Shapiro)\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nOrganization: What, me organized?\nLines: 8\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu\nIn-reply-to: Ryan Kearns\'s message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:09:21 EDT\n\n\nWoof woof!\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Shapiro\t\t\t| "People can call it a monkey, but I felt like\nshapiro-david@yale.edu\t\t| I had a piano on my back all winter long....\nshapiro@minerva.cis.yale.edu\t| The piano is off my back. Maybe a trombone\n\t\t\t\t| will be next." -- Stan Belinda\n',
"From: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu\nSubject: Okidata 2410 printer driver\nOrganization: University of Utah Computer Center\nLines: 16\n\n\nI have an Okidata 2410 printer for which I would like to have a printer driver.\nHas anyone seen such a thing? There is not one on the Microsoft BBS.\nI can print to it from Windows but I have no fonts available and with\nParadox for Windows I can't print labels on it unless there is a proper printer\ndefined.\n\n\nThanks,\n\nBryan K. Ward\nSurvey Research Center\nUniversity of Utah\n\ni-mail: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu\n\n",
'From: Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom)\nSubject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City\nLines: 32\n\n--> Note:\nReply to a message in soc.religion.christian.\n\nEVENSON THOMAS RANDALL wrote in a message to All:\n\n> Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the\n> Bible a closed book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go\n> around saying "God told me this" and "Jesus told me that"? \n\n> Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies\n> are nothing new but rather an inspired translation of\n> scripture. Is it right to call that prophecy? Misleading? \n\nHi, You might want to read Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur. In it\nhe discussed exactly this queation, amongst others. In my own words,\nVERY simplified, his position is basically that one must decide, what\nis the most important - experience or Scripture? People tend to say\nScripture, without living according to that. Their own\nfeeling/prophecy/etc tends to be put across without testing in the\nlight of Scripture.\n\nThere\'s a lot more than this, really worthwhile to read whether you\'re\nCharismatic or not.\n\nGroetnis (=cheers)\n Deon\n\n--- timEd/B8\n-- \nINTERNET: Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org\nvia: THE CATALYST BBS in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.\n (catpe.alt.za) +27-41-34-1122 HST or +27-41-34-2859, V32bis & HST.\n',
"From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)\nSubject: Re: catholic church poland\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.01.44.1993.3772@geneva.rutgers.edu>, s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) writes...\n>I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. \n>church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools,\n\n There was an article on clari.news.religion in the last few days about a\nPolish tribunal decision. It said that crucifixes and religious classes in\npublic schools were okay; and that children who did not want to take religion\nclass could not be forced to take an ethics class as a substitute.\n\n larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu\n",
'From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis)\nSubject: Pixel disappear on Powerbook 140 screen\nOrganization: Michigan State University\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu\nKeywords: Powerbook, 140, pixel, screen\n\nSome pixels on my PB 140 display disappear intermittently. They are not in\na particular place but random. If anybody has suggestions I would appreciate\ne-mailings. Thanks.\n\n\n--\naris@psssun.pss.msu.edu ############# (beware of the 3 s)\n | /\\ /\\ | \n [| o o |]\n______________________nnnnn______|_____U_____|______nnnnn______________________\n',
'From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng)\nSubject: Centris 610 Impression\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 15\n\nI have been playing with my Centris 610 for almost a week now. I must say\nthis machine is really fast! The hardware turn-on feature is annoying, but\nI got PowerKey from Sophisicated Circuits and it works like a charm.\n\nHowever, I still have a few complaints:\n- when I restart the machine every time, the screen image (the desktop\n pattern) jerks up and down for a few times.\n- the Quantum 170 drive is noisy\n\nOverall, I highly recommend it: it is fast, affordable and looks great!\n\n--\n\nDominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca)\nComputer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada\n',
'From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nDistribution: na\nLines: 10\n\n\n>security of the key-escrow system. In making this decision, I do\n>not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the\n>government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that\n>are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key-\n>escrow system.\n\nYeah, but does he intend to prevent the private sector from\ndeveloping other applications that are equally effective in \nassuring privacy, but do not have a key escrow system?\n',
"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nLines: 21\n\n: From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\n\n: Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to\n: stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to\n: the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for\n: the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As\n: it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been\n: for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now.\n\nIn the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device\nto the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets\nmust be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...)\n\nI was wondering some time ago how big a market there was for good old-\nfashion acoustic coupler technology to build a secure phone :-) ... is\nit possible to mask out all the real voice well enough so that none of\nit strays into the mouthpiece? Perhaps a well-sealed coupler attachment\nthat was as well blocked as possible, then a white noise generator on\nthe outside to muffle any real speech?\n\nG\n",
'From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nLines: 30\n\nstrnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n\n> dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the\n> effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading\n> between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one\n> respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and\n> local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally.\n\nInstead of reading between the lines, try to think a little bit. OK,\nif that\'s way too difficult to you, here are some hints.\n\nIndeed, the new proposal imposes some additional burocratic burden on\nthe local police, if they badly want to tape the magic cookie recipie\nthat your mom is telling you on the phone. So, guess what they will\ndo? Propose that the new technology is removed? Or implement some\n"facilitations"? Of course, you won\'t want to wait until they get the\napproval from two different agencies to decrypt the conversation\nbetween two child molesters, because meanwhile those two child\nmolesters might be conspiring about molesting your child, right? So,\nthere should be some way for them to get access to those keys\n-quickly-, right? Like, they could have a copy of the database, and\nworry about a warrant later...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n',
'From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)\nSubject: Re: Placebo effects\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\nSummary: Yes, researcher bias is a great problem.\n\n-*-----\nIn article <735157066.AA00449@calcom.socal.com> Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) writes:\n> Is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a \n> medicine that he/she sees improvement where the is none or sees \n> more improvement than there is? If so, what is this effect \n> called? Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor \n> doesn\'t believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than \n> there is? What would this effect be called? Have these effects \n> ever been studied? How common are these effects? Thank you in \n> advance for all replies. \n\nThese effects are a very real concern in conducting studies of new\ntreatments. Researchers try to limit this kind of effect by \nperforming studies that are "blind" in various ways. Some of these\nare:\n\n o The subjects of the study do not know whether they receive a \n placebo or the test treatment, i.e., whether they are in the\n control group or the test group.\n\n o Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects \n receive a placebo or the test treatment.\n\n o Those evaluating individual results do not know which subjects\n receive a placebo or the test treatment.\n\nObviously, at the point at which the data is analyzed, one has to \ndifferentiate the test group from the control group. But the analysis\nis quasi-public: the researcher describes it and presents the data on\nwhich it is based so that others can verify it. \n\nIt is worth noting that in biological studies where the subjects are\nanimals, such as mice, there were many cases of skewed results because\nthose who performed the study did not "blind" themselves. It is not\nconsidered so important to make mice more ignorant than they already\nare, though it is important that in all respects except the one tested,\nthe control and test groups are treated alike.\n\nRussell\n',
'From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Gospel Dating\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 93\n\nIn article <65974@mimsy.umd.edu>\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n \n>>Well, John has a quite different, not necessarily more elaborated theology.\n>>There is some evidence that he must have known Luke, and that the content\n>>of Q was known to him, but not in a \'canonized\' form.\n>\n>This is a new argument to me. Could you elaborate a little?\n>\n \nThe argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in\nthe almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are\nconsidered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and\nnot an entirely different source.\n \n \n>>Assuming that he knew Luke would obviously put him after Luke, and would\n>>give evidence for the latter assumption.\n>\n>I don\'t think this follows. If you take the most traditional attributions,\n>then Luke might have known John, but John is an elder figure in either case.\n>We\'re talking spans of time here which are well within the range of\n>lifetimes.\n \nWe are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual\nexplanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider\ntheir respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke\nthat of Matthew (and probably that of Mark).\n \nAs it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke\'s text. The evidence\nfor that is not overwhelming, admittedly.\n \n \n>>>(1) Earlier manuscripts of John have been discovered.\n>\n>>Interesting, where and which? How are they dated? How old are they?\n>\n>Unfortunately, I haven\'t got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late\n>\'70s or early \'80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200.\n>\n \nWhen they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on\nputting John after the rest of the three?\n \n \n>>I don\'t see your point, it is exactly what James Felder said. They had no\n>>first hand knowledge of the events, and it obvious that at least two of them\n>>used older texts as the base of their account. And even the association of\n>>Luke to Paul or Mark to Peter are not generally accepted.\n>\n>Well, a genuine letter of Peter would be close enough, wouldn\'t it?\n>\n \nSure, an original together with Id card of sender and receiver would be\nfine. So what\'s that supposed to say? Am I missing something?\n \n \n>And I don\'t think a "one step removed" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark\n>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really\n>cannot believe in the sort of "big transformation from Jesus to gospel" that\n>some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better\n>information than this.\n>\n>And if John IS a diciple, then there\'s nothing more to be said.\n>\n \nThat John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language\ntogether with the theology are usually used as counterargument.\n \nThe argument that John was a disciple relies on the claim in the gospel\nof John itself. Is there any other evidence for it?\n \nOne step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that\nto reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies.\nNot even to speak off that believers are not necessarily the best sources.\n \n \n>>It is also obvious that Mark has been edited. How old are the oldest\n>>manuscripts? To my knowledge (which can be antiquated) the oldest is\n>>quite after any of these estimates, and it is not even complete.\n>\n>The only clear "editing" is problem of the ending, and it\'s basically a\n>hopeless mess. The oldest versions give a strong sense of incompleteness,\n>to the point where the shortest versions seem to break off in midsentence.\n>The most obvious solution is that at some point part of the text was lost.\n>The material from verse 9 on is pretty clearly later and seems to represent\n>a synopsys of the end of Luke.\n>\nIn other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like\nand arguments based on Mark are pretty weak.\n \nBut how is that connected to a redating of John?\n Benedikt\n',
"From: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L)\nSubject: Need Sharp 6220, T2000 parts, information\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company)\nLines: 23\n\nI'm looking for a Sharp 6220 or TI Travelmate 2000 for parts. Mine has\na bad RAM chip on the motherboard and I want to see what I can get for\nparts before sending it off to Sharp for repairs. If you have one,\ndrop me a line.\n\nAlso, I'm trying to set one up for a friend who needs to read his old\n5 1/4 inch diskettes. Anyone have the pinout of the diskette expansion\nconnector on the back of the 3.5 inch floppy box? \n\nIf you respond, please include a phone number. I can't always get through \nwith email.\n \nAs always, \n\nThanks,\n\nJim Lewczyk\n\n-- \nMailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\nJames Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267\nNCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM\n",
"From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu\nSubject: e-mail to the hill ??\nOrganization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA\nLines: 4\n\nNow, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also\ngoing on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them??\nI'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address.\nplease e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop.\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: sudden numbness in arm\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <C5u5LG.C3G@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:\n>I experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning. Just after\n>I completed my 4th set of deep squats. Today was my weight training\n>day and I was just beginning my routine. All of a sudden at the end of\n>the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep. It was cold, turned pale,\n>and lost 60% of its strength. The weight I used for squats wasn\'t that\n>heavy, I was working hard but not at 100% effort. I waited for a few \n>minutes, trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with\n>chest exercises (flyes) with lighter dumbells than I normally use. But\n>I dropped the left dumbell during the first set, and experienced continued\n>arm weakness into the second. So I quit training and decided not to do my\n>usual hour on the ski machine either. I\'ll take it easy for the rest of\n>the day.\n>\n>My arm is *still* somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal --\n>my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb. Color has returned to normal\n>and it is no longer cold. \n>\n>Horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through\n>my brain. I\'m 34, vegetarian, and pretty fit from my daily exercise\n>regimen. So that can\'t be it. Could a pinched nerve from the bar\n>cause these symptoms (I hope)?\n\nIt likely has nothing to do with "chunks of plaque" but it sounds like\nyou may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical\nattention *before* doing any more weight lifting. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured?\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1qiu97INNpq6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>\ningles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:\n \n>\n> As evidence for the Resurrection, it is often claimed that the Disciples\n>were tortured to death for their beliefs and still did not renounce\n>their claim that Jesus had come back from the dead.\n> Now, I skimmed Acts and such, and I found a reference to this happening\n>to Stephen, but no others. Where does this apparently very widely held\n>belief come from? Is there any evidence outside the Bible? Is there any\n>evidence *in* the Bible? I sure haven't found any...\n>\n \nEarly authors and legends. The most important sources can be found in the\nMartyriologia of the Catholic Church. Makes the Grimms look like exact\nscience.\n Benedikt\n",
'From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT)\nSubject: Drug Use Up At Younger Age\nOrganization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater\nKeywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants\nLines: 62\n\n\nThe article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14,\n1993 issue of USA Today ("Drug Use Up At Younger Age" by Mike\nSnider, p. 1A).\n\n Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders -\n usually 13 - and they\'re using more LSD and inhalants like glue\n and air fresheners, says a new survey.\n\n The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds\n "statistically significant increases" in eighth-graders\' use of\n many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants.\n\n "We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing\n drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters\n adolescence," says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief\n researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and\n Human Services.\n\n But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long\n decline.\n\n The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the\n following in the 30 days before they were polled:\n\n * 8th-graders - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%;\n cocaine 0.7%.\n\n * 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%;\n cocaine 0.7%.\n\n * 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%;\n cocaine 1.3%.\n\n Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants\n declined over the year before. Not so with LSD.\n\n * 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24%\n over 1991. \n\n * Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6%\n tried it in the last year.\n\n Reducing drug use among students "requires a different kind of\n strategy" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part\n of an overall illness prevention plan.\n\n The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders\n disapprove of them.\n\n "It\'s scary," Shalala says. "Dealers are focusing on younger, more\n vulnerable kids."\n\n\nScott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot\n\nBefore: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets\n the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman\nAfter: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets\n [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me\n\n\n',
'From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Dundee Institute of Technology\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.053035.29591@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n> In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n>> \n>> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.\n>> \n>> You sick bastard.\n>> -- \n>> \n>> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n>> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n>> \n> \n> Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said \n> that it was right to shoot "THOSE kind" of babies. However it was the Branch\n> Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their "savior" \n> (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that \n> what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their\n> lives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF\'s\n> who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and\n\nFor goodness sake if they had fired a cruise missile at the compound more\npeople would have come out alive. It was obvious to anyone with the remotest\ncontact with reality that such an outcome was likely (not just possible)\nhowever the fire started. As, Mr Lawnmower, you seem to have already entered\nyour own little virtual reality I guess you can\'t be expected to understand\nthings in the real universe.\n-- \nAlan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct\nDundee Institute of Technology\t Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk\nTel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810)\n ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity **\n',
"From: dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-72.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.180234.18192@oz.plymouth.edu>, oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes:\n|> \n|> >Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or\n|> >sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files.\n|> You can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows\n|> programs. \n|> >The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini,\n|> >system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited.\n|> \n|> Is it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ????\n|> \n\nNo. When the program is run, it loads 4 configuration files; autoexec.bat,\nconfig.sys, win.ini, and system.ini. There is no Open entry on the File\nmenu. You can only edit these four files. If you need to edit some other\nprogram's .ini file, use Notepad or some other ASCII editor.\n\nI wonder whether Microsoft intended for sysedit to be used, or if it was\njust a holdover from the testing period and they forgot to take it out. The\nreason I think this is because there is absolutely no mention in the manuals\nabout this program, and there is no online help for it (just an About entry\nunder the File menu). The program looks like something that was intended for\ninternal use only. It's kind of a shame, though. It would have made a nice\nmulti-file replacement for Notepad.\n\nDaniel Silevitch dmsilev@athena.mit.edu\nMassachusetts Institute of Technology\n",
'From: dpeterik@iastate.edu (Dan Peterik)\nSubject: Re: Brewer Notes\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 26\n\nIn <30MAR93.02086551.0010@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> PFAN <PFAN@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> writes:\n\n>For those of you who know who Bernie Brewer is, he\'s back. The\n>team mascot, if you will, was given his walking papers a few years\n>ago, but the fans voted him back last season and he will be perched\n>in the his familiar home in the outfield and will again slide down\n>into a barrel of beer when home runs are hit.\n\nThat is great to hear I just may have to take a raod trip to Milwakee this year and see that again. Last time I saw Bernie Brewer was at the age of 10 and I am now 21 thanks for this post.\n\n>One final note, Bill Spiers is leading the Brewers with 13 RBI\'s in\n>exhibition play. Looks like he\'s bouncing back nicely from back\n>problems.\n\nGood to Bill is getting better form the limited coverage we get here in Iowa\nI know that this will be a great season for the BREW CREW!!\n\n\n>/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\\n>| Pete Fanning, Computer Operator | "Leadership is ACTION |\n>| Office of Information Technology | ...NOT Position" |\n>| Milwaukee Area Technical College | -- D. H. McGannon |\n>|**********************************************************|\n>| Email: pfan@music.lib.matc.edu (Internet) |\n>| -or- Pete.Fanning@f71.n154.z1.fidonet.org |\n>\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\n',
'From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)\nSubject: S1, S2\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n > Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not\n >a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-\n >security.\n\n The only theory that makes any sense is that S1 and S2 are either the\nsame for all chips, or vary among very few possibilities, so that anyone\ntrying to break the encryption by brute force need only plow through the\npossible serial numbers (2^30, about one billion), multiplied by the number\nof different S1, S2 combinations.\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: cabanrf@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL)\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <mssC4zyo8.JsC@netcom.com>, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:\n> In article <Apr.4.19.42.08.1993.12176@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:\n>>i've said the braves would improve by injury as well. here's how.\n>>\n>>javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson.\n>>ryan klasko is a better firstbaseman than bream.\n>> chipper jones is a better shortstop than anyone the braves\n>> put out there.\n>>\n>>mel nieves is better than nixon/sanders.\n>>\n>>that's how. it FORCES them to play the young guys.\n>>\n>>- bob gaj\n> \n> I continue to be amazed at these comments. While Lopez might *some\n> day* be a better catcher than Olson, I find it totally amazing for\n> you to suggest that this 22 year-old with three seasons of professional\n> baseball is *now* better than Olson, a five-year MLB veteran who is\n> noted for his ability to call a game, and who has a better-than-average\n> arm. Oh, perhaps you are talking about hitting. Well, sure, Lopez\n> *might* hit better. Perhaps he *probably* will.\n> \n> But has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22-year-old (or\n> younger) *rookie* catcher who compared favorably among all league\n> catchers in terms of defense and brought a .247 bat? Wasn't it \n\nYes, Ivan Rodriguez, last year. Batted .260 and threw out 51% of the\nbaserunners. Not too shabby for a rookie from AA. 20 years old last\nyear.\n\n> Sandy Alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year?\n> Not. Wasn't it Benito Santiago who was supposed to be that good\n> in his rookie year? Not.\n> \n> I can continue this thread with the others mentioned, but you get\n> the point. You and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the \n> seasoned veterans in favor of the hot *young* rookies. Perhaps -\n> just perhaps - the management team of the pennant-winning Braves\n> knows something more than you do. And perhaps what they know is\n> that very, very few 21- and 22-year old rookies come up to the majors\n> and make an impact. \n> \n> \n> --\tThe Beastmaster\n> \n> \n> \n> -- \n> Mark Singer \n> mss@netcom.com\n-- \nRoy F. Cabaniss......................*Wait till Tommy meets the Lord and\nWestern Kentucky University..........*finds out that He's wearing pinstripes.\nAll opinions contained herein........*Gaylord Perry (talking about Lasorda)\nAre all mine own, and that's the sin.*Baseball, what a way to spend a day!!\n",
'From: ivan@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Catalin Ivan)\nSubject: IDE/ESDI coexistence\nSummary: How to make IDE and ESDI controllers live together???\nKeywords: HD, controller, IDE, ESDI, disks\nOrganization: Universite de Montreal\nLines: 57\n\nHello all,\n\nYou, the Net, are my last resort, or I\'ll just change my job :-)\nThis might be a FAQ (e.g. mixing controllers) but haven\'t seen any.\n\nSys: 486/33, AMI BIOS, and your run-of-the mill multi-I/O card with\nserials/paral/floppies and \n\t- IDE controller "clone" Gw2760-EX\n\t\tthere are no jumpers affecting the HD or ctrller :-( \n\t- Quantum ProDrive LPS (3" 105M type 47: 755cyl, 16hds, 17spt).\n\nPb: I want to bring in this (2nd hand, neat price):\n\t- Maxtor XT-B380E (~330M, <15ms, BIOS type 1, ctrller manages\n\t\tthe real geom: 1630cyl, 8hds, 52spt)\n\t- Western Digital WD1007V-SE1 ESDI ctrller: no floppies.\n\t\t(jumpers set IRQ 14/15, hw port addr 1F0/170,\n\t\tand BIOS addr CC00/C800, and other floppy/format stuff)\n\nGoal: have the WD ESDI as a secondary/controller and have both disks \nsimultaneously working. Being able to boot from the ESDI too would be \na nice bonus but is not expected.\n\nUltimate goal: have room for Linux et al.\nEx of scheme I have in mind: boot from IDE (HD or floppy) and mount\nthe ESDI as root. Not booting from ESDI, or even from HD, is acceptable.\n\nI have tried numerous (all!!) combinations to no avail. They work alone,\nor can coexist witout hang-ups but can\'t access the ESDI or the IDE, \ndepending on setup/jumpers.\n\nUseful suggestions might be:\n- How do I tell the BIOS setup about two ctrllers (I guess the 2nd HD\nis expected to hang off the same ctrller as the 1st).\n- Do I need some driver to make it work?\n- --- " --- some new BIOS/chip for any of these cards?\n- do I have to buy another controller to make them HDs happy? IDE\nis cheaper; ESDI is hard to find and rather costly. I\'m not \nrich or I wouldnt\' try to scavenge around, so soft slns are preferred.\n- adapters of some sort; I can hold a soldering iron, and can change\na chip or put a jumper!\n\nAlso useful:\n- BBS or Hot-line of Western Digital.\n- ftp archives with relevant info.\n- expert stores in Toronto, Ontario area (that would be a miracle! haven\'t\nseen any really knowledgeable ppl in a while)\n- any hints into inner workings of the system ... \n- anything else that helped you in similar situations (prayers :-) )\n\nDirect or posted replies are ok.\n\tMany thanks,\n\t\t\tCat.\n--\n////// /// // / / / / / / / / / / / \nCatalin Ivan - email: ivan@Iro.UMontreal.CA - tel:(416) 324.8704\n Human-Computer INTERACTION Humain-Machine \nUniversite de Montreal - Informatique et Recherche Operationelle\n',
'From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 74\n\nIn article <114140@bu.edu>\njaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n \n>>>>> In cases of prostitution\n>>>>>both the man and the prostitute would be punished in public, quite\n>>>>>severely.\n \n(Deletion)\n \n>\n>>No Gregg, you cannot say A is lenient and A punishes severely in public.\n>>Unless, of course, it is one of the exceptions implied by "almost all\n>>matters".\n>\n>That depends on the statistics and who is punished in public. If some\n>power (for example, nothing Islamic about it) allows men to rape women\n>five times before blowing the rapist\'s head off in public then I\'d call\n>that leniency, wouldn\'t you?\n>\n \nYou have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument.\n \nAnd chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It\nrather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system\nwithout checking if they suit the description.\n \nAnd wasn\'t the argument that it takes five men to rape a woman according\nto Islamic law?\n \n \n>>While I don\'t approve of it, I think both the prostitute and the customer\n>>have the right to do what they do. In other words, punishing them is a\n>>violation of their rights. And to punish them severely in public is just\n>>another pointer to the hysteria connected with sexuality in so many\n>>religions.\n>\n>Believe what you like.\n>\n \nNo, I even believe what I don\'t like. Can you give better answers than that?\nHave you got any evidence for your probably opposite claims?\n \n \n>>In this case, I don\'t see why I should accept the complex ridden views\n>>of an oriental goatherd.\n>\n>Ah, yes, I forget that the West is historically so much without sexual\n>neurosis :)\n>\n>"Oriental goatherd", _really_ intellectual.\n>\n \nA fact, if memory serves. And most will see the connection between the\nprimitive machism in the Orient and in Islam.\n \n>>If people agree on having sex it is fine. And I would assume that a\n>>god would have a clue of what the detrimental effects of supressing it\n>>are.\n>\n>Huh? Ever heard of AIDs? (Of course you\'ll probably go on to say that\n>God must be evil because he allows the disease to exist, bla bla).\n>\n \nAs usually you miss the point. Aids is neither spread only through sex\nnor necessarily spread by having sex. Futher, the point is, a very important\npoint, the urge for sex is stronger than the fear of AIDS. It is even\nstronger than the religious attempts to channel or to forbid sex. The\nconsequences of suppressing sex are worse than the consequences of Aids.\nPlease note that the idea that everybody would end up with AIDS when sex\nis not controlled is completely counterfactual.\n \n \nAnd since you have brought up the point, is your god evil or not?\n Benedikt\n',
"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES)\nSubject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 42\n\nmuellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:\n\n>Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would\n>be inclined to risk any extra exposure on.\n\nAs a libertarian (with a small l) who voted for Clinton, I think that he\nshould abolish the Selective Service and the draft. If his conscience\nforbade him to go to war in Vietnam, it should forbid him to perpetuate\nthis system of government-sanctioned slavery.\n\n>Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf.\n>The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there\n>is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing\n>the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail\n>getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class.\n>Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get\n>Seawolf subs whether we need them or not.\n\nIf our government would pay attention to SERIOUS domestic issues (the ECONOMY)\nand choose to stay out of other people's wars (Iraq, Bosnia, Somalia),\nwe would not be in this fix. An anyway, couldn't the jobs be replaced by\nimproving our domestic situation? (I'm not for continued deficit spending,\nbut if Clinton and Congress want to spend, I'd rather they improve the \ninfrastructure than fight other people's wars.)\n\n>In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station\n>and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being \n>required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships.\n>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\n>a pork happy Congress.\n\nA novel idea: Getting away from naval bases, what about refurbishing\ndecommissioned Air Force bases as airports? This would be SO much cheaper\nthan building them from the ground up (Denver's new airport is one of the \nmost appalling examples of pork-barreling and cronyism I have seen in\nmy lifetime). Even if no more airports are needed, I'm sure Bill Gates\nor Ross Perot would LOVE to have their own private airfields, and the\nmoney from their purchases could be applied to the public debt.\n\n>Jon Dunn<\n\n* All E-mail flames will be deleted without reading *\n",
'From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)\nSubject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]\nNntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.16.248\nOrganization: AEGIS\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu\n(Wen-King Su) wrote:\n> \n> In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:\n> \n> <apparently you\'re not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks\n> >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman\n> <feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around\n> >& checking out if anyone\'s near me when I get to my car - never park\n> <in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I\'m\n> >not fumbling in my purse looking for them ....\n> \n> This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can\'t put\n> their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the\n> back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another.\n> Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely.\n> Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can\'t women do the same?\n> Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and\n> a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? \n\nWomen\'s pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too\nshallow to use!\n\nI is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when\nshe goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from\nwould be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who\nas a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!).\n\nPuting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes\nyou rear look wide as a cows!\n\n Also, to have the habits that\nwork for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater\nwhat you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni)\n\nA women\'s suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside,\nnone on the inside). I have men\'s coats that have as much as 6\npockets! This is definitally not fair!!!\n\nAs one that wears both men\'s and women\'s clothes, I can tell you,\nwomen\'s clothes have few if any funtional pockets!\n\nWhen dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and\nmy keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent\nthan the pants pockets and looks better.\n\nHaving a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is\nparamout to a woman\'s safty. Men don\'t see this as a problem.\nA woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e.\nImage some red necks yelling at you "We are going to FUCK YOU!"\nand the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight\non you!)\n\nIf you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE!\n\nCeleste\n',
"From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!!\nOrganization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nIn my last message, I wrote:\n****************************************************\n12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement\nin favor of revenue sharing.\n******************************************************\n\n\nI meant argument instead of agreement.\nAlso, I think I should add a coouple of Ted's positive achievements\n- Smiley trade was good for the pirates. but I think Ted could have gotten\nsomeone better than Neagle. Cummings seems to be pretty good.\n- The Cole trade was excellent. BUt Simmons has botched it up now.\n-This year's draft seems to have gone well for the PIrates. BUt then they\nlost 2 high picks in the Bonds fiasco.\n\nOH well, I should give up trying to prove that Simmons is not a total\nidiot.\n",
'From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total?\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\n\nI think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be "classes"\nsuch as the following:\n\nLarge Corp.\nSmall Corp/Company (based on reported earnings?)\nLarge Government (GNP and such)\nSmall Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?)\nLarge Organization (Planetary Society? and such?)\nSmall Organization (Alot of small orgs..)\n\nThe organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ??\n\nOf course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ??\nBasically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class\nwinners..\nMore fair?\n\nThere would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events,\numpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want\nto risk thier own lives let them do it?).\n\nAny other ideas??\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I\'m not high, just jacked\n\n\n',
'From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)\nSubject: Request for AL stats....\nReply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.\nLines: 4\n\n Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them?\n\n\tK-->\n\n',
"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.211406.22528@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) writes:\n>\tAccording to the SJ Murky News the Team USA roster is (names and\n>\tteams played for in 1992-93 listed):\n>\n>\t\tGoalies\n>\t\t-------\n........\n>\t\tForwards\n>\t\t--------\n>\tTony Amonte\tNew York Rangers\n>\tTed Drury\tHarvard Univ\n>\tRob Gaudreau\tSan Jose' Sharks\n>\tCraig Johnson\tUniv of Minnesota\n>\tJeff Lazaro\tOttawa Senators\n>\tMike Modano\tMinnesota North Stars\n>\tEd Olczyk\tNew York Rangers\n>\tDerek Plante\tUniv of Minnesota-Duluth\n>\tShion Podein\tEdmonton Oilers\n>\tDavid Sacco\tBoston University\n>\tDarren Turcotte New York Rangers\n>\tDoug Weight\tEdmonton Oilers\n>\n\nIt looks like the Edmonton Oilers just decided to take a European\nvacation this spring...\n\nRanford, Tugnutt, Benning, Manson, Smith, Buchberger, and Corson\nare playing for Canada.\n\nPodein and Weight are playing for the US.\n\nIs Kravchuk playing for the Russians...I know he had nagging\ninjuries late in the season.\n\nPodein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to\nplay in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov,\nand Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not\nthe total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly\nin this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the\nNew York Rangers.\n\nGerald\n\n",
"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Brad Hernlem vs. principle\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n In his neverending effort to make sure that we do not forget \n what a moron he is, Brad Hernlem has asked why Israel rarely\n abides by UN Security Council resolutions. Perhaps the list\n below might answer the question. \n\n\n Incident Security Council Response\n ------------------------------------------------------------ \n 1. Hindu-Moslem clash in INdia, over 2,000 killed, 1990 NONE\n 2. Gassing to death of over 8,000 Kurds by NONE\n Iraqi Air Force, 1988-89 \n 3. Saudi security forces slaughter NONE\n 400 pilgrims in Mecca, 1987 \n 4. Killing by Algerian army of 500 demonstrators, 1988 NONE\n 5. Intrafada (Arabs killing Arabs) -- over 300 killed NONE\n 6. 30,000 civilians slaughtered by government NONE\n troops in Hama, Syria, 1982 \n 7. Killing of 5,000 Palestinians by Jordanian troops, NONE\n thousands expelled, Sept., 1970 \n 8. 87 Moslems killed in Egypt, 1981 NONE \n 9. 77 killed in Egyption bread riots, 1977 NONE\n 10. 30 border and rocket attacks against Israel by NONE\n the PLO in 1989 alone \n 11. Munich, 1972: 11 Israeli athletes slaughtered NONE\n 12. Ma'alot, 1974: children killed in PLO attack NONE\n 13. Israel Coastal bus attack: 34 dead, 82 wounded NONE\n 14. Syria kills 23,000 Palestinians, 1976 NONE\n 15. Lebanon: over 150,000 dead since 1975 NONE\n 16. Yemen: 13,000 killed in two weeks, 1986 NONE\n 17. Sudan: Tens of thousands of Black slaves, NONE\n Civil War toll, 1 million killed, 3 million refugees \n 18. Tienenman Square massacre 1989 NONE\n 19. Rumania, 3,000 killed, 1989 NONE\n 20. Pan Am 103 disaster carried out by the P.L.O NONE\n 21. Northern Ireland NONE\n 22. Cambodia NONE\n 23. Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan NONE\n 24. American riots at Attica, Watts, Newark, Kent State NONE\n 25. 1981: Israel destroys Iraqi reractor, Israel CONDEMNED\n 26. 1990: Israeli police protect Israeli worshipers CONDEMNED\n against Arab mob, 18 anti-Jewish rioters killed \n 27. Syrian soldiers slaughter Christian soldiers NONE\n after they surrender, 1990 \n \n It appears that Brad Hernlem and the United Nations Security\n Council have something in common. They both seem unfettered \n by the demands of acting on principle.\n\n \n",
'From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nLines: 21\nNntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com\nOrganization: NCR Corporation\nX-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0\n\nIn Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> "ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)" says:\n> \n> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:\n> \n> Mike Terry asks:\n> \n> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n> >\n> No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects\n> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift\n> off the ground.\n> -- \n> DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan\nWell my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.\nThe rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an\nodd feel, but it still wheelies.\n',
'Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3\nFrom: nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros)\nOrganization: Computer Science, CLIP lab, UPM Madrid, Spain.\nNntp-Posting-Host: aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es\nIn-reply-to: dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu\'s message of 2 Apr 93 21:24:05 GMT\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.212405.5213@head-cfa.harvard.edu> dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:\n\n> \t I\'ve been trying to compile X11R5 patchlevel 23 on a Sun Sparc\n> IPX using SunOS_4.1.3, and gcc 2.3.3.\n> \n> \t The problem occurs during the initial "make World". When\n> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can\'t seem to find\n> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program "ld"\n> which was updated for 4_1_3.\n> \n\n Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static\nsome of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(.\n\n--\n/+=========================================++================================+\\\n||Francisco J. Ballesteros [a.k.a. Nemo] || email: nemo@clip.dia.fi.upm.es||\n||org: Computer Science, CLIP lab. || phone: +34 1 336-7448 ||\n|| Campus Montegancedo s.n. U.P.M. || ___ ___ ||\n|| Boadilla del Monte, Madrid, Spain. || \\\\ \\\\ o \\\\_) \\ _ \\__ ||\n\\+=========================================++== \\\\__ \\\\__\\\\ \\\\ == \\_(_\\_\\_) =+/\n',
'From: gtj@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Glenn T Jayaputera)\nSubject: Need Info on high quality video card\nOrganization: RMIT Department of Computer Science\nLines: 10\n\nHi...I need some info on video card. I am looking a video card that can\ndeliver a high quality picture. I need the card to display images (well\nfor advertising company btw), so it must be rich with colors and the speed\nmust be fast too.\n\nI am just wondering if somebody can advise me what to buy for such\napplication, and possible the address of the vendor.\n\nthanks in advance\nGlenn Jayaputera\n',
"From: msk9@po.CWRU.Edu (Mahesh S. Khot)\nSubject: Quattro Pro File Format\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 12\nReply-To: msk9@po.CWRU.Edu (Mahesh S. Khot)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n\n\nWe are trying to write a program which can read files created by quattro\npro 3.0 and above. Would anyone know where to find information regarding\nthe format in which Quattro Pro stores its files.\n\nThanks in Advance\nMahesh\n-- \nfamous dummies = Madam Tussade's Wax Museum. \nStill at Case msk9@po.cwru.edu\n",
'From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nSubject: Re: Could this be a migraine?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Invention Factory\'s BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis\nReply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nLines: 31\n\nGB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nGB> >(I am excepting migraine, which is arguably neurologic).\nGB> I hope you meant "inarguably".\n\nGiven the choice, I would rather argue <g>.\n\nNo arguments about migranous aura; in fact, current best evidence is\nthat aura is intrinsicially neuronal (a la spreading depression of\nLeao) rather than vascular (something causing vasoconstriction and\nsecondary neuronal ischemia).\n\nMigraine without aura, however, is a fuzzier issue. There do not\nseem to be objectively measurable changes in brain function. The\nCopenhagen mafia (Lauritzen, Olesen, et al) have done local CBF\nstudies on migraine without aura, and (unlike migraine with aura,\nbut like tension-type) they found no changes in LCBF.\n\nFrom one (absurd) perspective, *all* pain is neurologic, because in\nthe absence of a nervous system, there would not be pain. From\nanother (tautologic) perspective, any disease is in the domain of\nthe specialty that treats it. Neurologists treat headache,\ntherefore (at least in the USA) headache is neurologic.\n\nWhether neurologic or not, nobody would disagree that disabling\nheadaches are common. Perhaps my fee-for-service neurologic\ncolleagues, scrounging for cases, want all the headache patients\nthey can get. Working on a salary, however, I would rather not fill\nmy office with patients holding their heads in pain.\n---\n . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)\n \n',
"From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)\nSubject: 101 Keyboard wanted.\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 7\n\nI'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably \na 101 layout.) I'm looking to spend about $20.\n\n\n-- \n\n\t\t\t\t\tDavid\n",
'From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nArticle-I.D.: armory.1prve9$1aa\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\ndunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) writes:\n>ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:\n>>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)\n\n>This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without\n>spilling or having someone hold on to them.\n\nI agree. Six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me\nthirsty, especially for something with caffeine. I consider it a\nfailing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup\nholder.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n',
'From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: imp.sim.es.com\n\nI downloaded an image of the earth re-constructed from elevation data taken\nat 1/2 degree increments. The author (not me) wrote some c-code (included)\nthat read in the data file and generated b&w and pseudo color images. They\nwork very well and are not incumbered by copyright. They are at an aminet\nsite near you called earth.lha in the amiga/pix/misc area...\n\nI refer you to the included docs for the details on how the author (sorry, I\nforget his name) created these images. The raw data is not included.\n\n-- \n\tDavid\n\n\tDavid M. Ingebretsen\n\tEvans & Sutherland Computer Corp.\n\tdingebre@thunder.sim.es.com\n\n\tDisclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the\n\t opinions of my employer, nor are my actions\n\t\t encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my\n\t\t employer.\n',
"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <7020.Apr2207.05.3993@silverton.berkeley.edu>, djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n> > And key size is one of the things that can be\n> > verified externally.\n> \n> Gee. Say they feed the 80-bit key through Snefru-8 and take the first 60\n> bits of the result, then use those 60 bits as the real key. How do you\n> figure out that each key is one of 2^20 ``equal'' keys? You can try a\n> birthday attack, but if the key can be changed only once a second then\n> you will need several lifetimes to get reliable statistics.\n\nYou're right, and I retract the suggestion. Still, I wonder. That\nthere are only 60 bits of key information should, in principle, be\ndetectable. Maybe some variant of the tests Rivest et al. did to\ndemonstrate that DES was probably not a group? It should make an\ninteresting paper -- a black-box analysis of a cryptosystem.\n",
'From: gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)\nSubject: Re: Photo shop scanner?\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <C5LGII.EuJ@ncube.com> root@ncube.com (Operator) writes:\n>From: root@ncube.com (Operator)\n>Subject: Photo shop scanner?\n>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:49:30 GMT\n>I have a Macc IIci and a Color scanner.\n>I scanned a picture at 600 dpi. When I try to print\n>it on my HP500 color printer, after 10 minutes of\n>making noise, the mac hangs. I would need to reboot it.\n>What does this mean? Do I need to buy more memory? I have\n>5.0 MB now. I also have about 50 MB of disk free, and the\n>scanned picture is about 12 MB.\n>\n>---\n>\n>\n>\n> ^~\n> @ * *\n> Captain Zod... _|/_ /\n> zod@ncube.com |-|-|/\n> 0 /| 0\n> / |\n> \\=======&==\\===\n> \\===========&===\n>\n>\n>\n\nhave you tried printing the data file (TIFF) from another application such \nas freehand or PageMaker? I have found that Photoshop has occasional \nproblems printing files that I can print through other applications.\n\n-GReg\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu | Infinite Illusions Juggling Supplies |\n| "Beware of the Fnord or it will | 1-800-54TORCH Call or write for a |\n| eat you" | catalog. |\n',
'From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night)\nSubject: Re: Answers to many electronics Questions\nOrganization: Michigan Technological University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 19\n\nBill Willis (willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu) wrote:\n: I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not \n: "tuned-in" to electronics. Many of them have rather simple answers, and \n: many of them require a circuit diagram.\n\n: Rather than muck up the network, why don\'t you write to me, send a self-\n: addressed, stamped envelop, and I\'ll answer your questions, if I can.\n\n: W. L. Willis, P. E.\n: 114 Fern Circle\n: Clemson, SC 29631\n\nBecause the network is quicker, easier, and free (at least to me).\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChristopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You\'re still a rat.\n',
"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nLines: 24\n\n\tgtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:\n\t>\n\t>In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device\n\t>to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets\n\t>must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...)\n\t>\n\n\tWhats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem?\n\n\tI'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the\n\tmodems that they have already approved for data transmission will work\n\tjust fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice.\n\nAbsolutely. I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has\never been given approval. Guerrilla underground devices should be well\npossible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis\nmodems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers)\n\nCan someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run\ndigital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets\nsay 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate\nbe usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?\n\nG\n",
'From: tammy@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tammy Chen)\nSubject: Toolwork: MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu\n\nI have the following program on CD ROM forsale:\n\n\n\tToolwork MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM\n\t- Multimedia\n\t- Brand new\n\t - Shrink-wrapped\n\n\nAsking : $50 / obo\n\nSend reply to : sam@ocf.berkeley.edu\n\nThank you\n',
'Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14\nFrom: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department\nSubject: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ?\nLines: 13\n\nIs it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a\nToken Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet\nclass error or something the like...\n\nRegards,\n\nWim Van Holder\nKatholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16\nDepartement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99\nDekenstraat 2\nB-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be\nBELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be\n\n',
"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)\nSubject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut)\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com\nReply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com\nOrganization: TI/DSEG VAX Support\n\n\nIn article <1qn044$gq5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>I thought that under emergency conditions, the STS can\n>put down at any good size Airport. IF it could take a C-5 or a\n>747, then it can take an orbiter. You just need a VOR/TAC\n>\n>I don't know if they need ILS.\n\nDFW was designed with the STS in mind (which really mean very little). Much of\ntheir early PR material had scenes with a shuttle landing and two or three\nothers pulled up to gates. I guess they were trying to stress how advanced the\nairport was.\n\nFor Dallas types: Imagine the fit Grapevine and Irving would be having if the\nshuttle WAS landing at DFW. (For the rest, they are currently having some power\nstruggles between the airport and surrounding cities).\n--\nDillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the\nTI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated.\n(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) |\n(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need\npyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures.\nPADI DM-54909 |\n\n",
'From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Box score abbrev woes\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 7\n\nCan anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make\nabsolutely no sense? (At least in the local Gannett rag that finds its way\nto my door.) I must have stared at "Cleman" in the Mets\' box for a\ngood 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was. Wouldn\'t\nit make more sense to use "Colemn"?\n\nJay\n',
'From: fineman@stein2.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes)\nSubject: Anyone know use "rayshade" out there?\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu\nKeywords: rayshade, uw.\n\nI\'m using "rayshade" on the u.w. computers here, and i\'d like input\nfrom other users, and perhaps swap some ideas. I could post\nuuencoded .gifs here, or .ray code, if anyone\'s interested. I\'m having\ntrouble coming up with colors that are metallic (i.e. brass, steel)\nfrom the RGB values.\n\nIf you\'re on the u.w. machines, check out "~fineman/rle.files/*.rle" on \nstein.u.washington.edu for some of what i\'ve got. \n\ndan\n\n\n',
"From: ab220@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Dozois)\nSubject: Re: PowerBook Batteries\nReply-To: ab220@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Dozois)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 20\n\n\nIn a previous article, gil@cc.gatech.edu (Gil Neiger) says:\n\n>I have a few questions about PowerBook batteries, specifically,\n>the NiCad batteries I have for my PB170.\n>\n>2. Can the PowerBook run without any battery if the charger is\n>plugged in?\n\nNo problems.\n-- \nMichel Dozois - Gloucester, Ontario, Canada - ab220@freenet.carleton.ca\n\t- Membre du Club de cerf-volant de l'Outaouais {OVKC} \n\t\t- Membre du National Capital Macintosh Club {NCMC}\n\t\t\t- Membre du Jungle BBS {un babillard Macintosh}\n",
"From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)\nSubject: Re: **Sorry folks** (read this)\nOriginator: rita@eff.org\nNntp-Posting-Host: eff.org\nOrganization: Enormes_Rebajas_Online\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.014646.28445@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:\n\n>I just found out from my source that this article was a joke. Heh heh.. \n>It seemed pretty damn convincing to me from the start -- I just didn't\n>notice the smiley at the end of the article, and there were a few other\n>hints which I should of caught.\n\n\tPeople took this article seriously? I mean, I know it's the\nNet and all, but the prankster didn't even have Clinton's sound-bites\nright.\n\n\n-- \nRita Rouvalis\nrita@village.com\n",
'From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 22\n\nD. Andrew Kille writes:\n\n>Just an observation- although the bodily assumption has no basis in\n>the Bible, Carl Jung declared it to be one of the most important\n>pronouncements\n>of the church in recent years, in that it implied the inclusion of the \n>feminine into the Godhead.\n\nWhich means he has absolutely no idea about what the Assumption is.\n\nHowever greatly we extoll Mary, it is quite obvious that she is in no\nway God or even part of God or equal to God. The Assumption of our\nBlessed Mother, meant that because of her close identification with the\nredemptive work of Christ, she was Assumed (note that she did not\nASCEND) body and soul into Heaven, and is thus one of the few, along\nwith Elijah, Enoch, Moses (maybe????) who are already perfected in\nHeaven. Obviously, the Virgin Mary is far superior in glorification to\nany of the previously mentioned personages.\n\nJung should stick to Psychology rather than getting into Theology.\n\nAndy Byler\n',
'From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <Apr.14.03.07.58.1993.5438@athos.rutgers.edu>, mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) writes:\n> In article <Apr.13.00.09.02.1993.28445@athos.rutgers.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n>>[Any former atheists converted by argument?}\n>>This is an excellent question and I\'ll be anxious to see if there are\n>>any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent.\n>>when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone\n>>"knew the rules." Today, when you can\'t count on people knowing even\n>>the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is\n>>often indistinguishable from a poor one.\n> \n> The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of\n> soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as\n> Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis.\n\nI haven\'t followed whatever discussion there may have been on these\npeople, but I feel that C. S. Lewis is an excellent apologist and I\nsee no reason for embarrassment. If you think that errors and flawed\narguments are a reason for dismissing a thinker, you must dismiss\nnearly every thinker from Descartes to Kant; any philosophy course\nwill introduce you to their weaknesses. \n \n The above also expresses a rather odd sense\n> of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas\' day, who were\n> mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people\n> today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the\n> cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in\n> the medieval period "knew the rules" it was a matter of uncritically\n> accepting what they were told.\n\nI said nothing about "the masses." However comparing "the masses" in\nour day and in Aquinas\' day really *is* odd. Read Ortega y Gasset on\nthis.\n\nI\'m talking about the familiar experience of arguing all night and\nwinning on logic and evidence, only to discover your opponent to be\nunaware, even intuitively, of things like entailment (let alone\npragmatics). (I am assuming that both parties are college graduates\nor better...) Myself, I don\'t bother any more.\n\nKen\n-- \nminer@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody.\nopinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton\n',
'From: root@zmax.com (The Big Cheese)\nSubject: Laptop Cards\nOrganization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.\nLines: 17\n\nLaptop Connectivity Cards\n-------------------------\n\nPart #T2RN\nDesc: 3270 Remote Emulation Card for Toshiba Laptop Computer\n\nPart #T324M\nDesc: Easytalk 2400 bd dedicated internal modem with MNP level 5 for\n Toshiba T1200 & T1600\n\nPart #T2LL\nDesc: Easytalk internal ethernet card for toshiba laptop expansion slot.\n\nPart #T232\nDesc: Easytalk 3270 Terminal emulation for toshiba laptop expansion slot\n\nIf interested in all or individual parts send email to rotella@zmax.com\n',
'From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)\nSubject: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells\nOrganization: MIT Media Laboratory\nLines: 17\n\n\nI have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with\nXCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit\ndisplay. When I move the cursor over the window I get the "Technicolor\nEffect" - which is fine. Basically, my program works.\n\nMy problem/question is: When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for\nsome input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to\nXmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL. The result is that if my cursor is\nover the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the\napplicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the\ndefault colormap. But I\'d like it so that if my cursor is over _any_\nwindow of my application, I get my colormap.\n\nAny suggestions? Thanks,\n\ndavid,\n',
'From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic)\nSubject: Matt Militzok please read!\nOrganization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.\nLines: 6\n\n\nSorry to everyone for wasting space. Matt, the other day you posted that\nyou were doing a mailing list of playoff stats. I lost your address. \nPlease put me on that list. Thanks.\n\nGeorge \n',
"From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)\nSubject: Re: Camping question?\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com\n\nIn article 10823@bnr.ca, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:\n\n>\n>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up\n>water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my\n>RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs \n>above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.\n\nOn my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel\nwith a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling\nand pour out a cup of hot water.\nI used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter.\n\n(-:\n\n #################################\n _ # Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM #\no_/_\\_o # #\n (O_O) # Sun Microsystems, #\n \\H/ # Coventry, England. #\n U # (44) 203 692255 #\n # DoD#226 GSXR1100L #\n #################################\n Keeper of the GSXR1100 list.\n\n\n",
'From: jenski@cae.wisc.edu (Anders Jenski)\nSubject: Quadra 950/900 case source wanted\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 12\n\nHello all,\n\nIf anyone knows of a place to get the case to hold the power supply and\nmotherboard of a Quadra 950 please let me know. I have tried some mail\norder places and some local stores. Both groups would prefer that I part\nwith over $1000 to get just the case. In my eyes this seems about $600-$700\nto much. Any comments? I currently own the guts of a 950.\n\nPlease email me or post to this group w/ info,\n\nThanks in advance,\nAndy\n',
'From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)\nSubject: Re: Raid justification was: Blast them next time\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Michigan Tech\nLines: 52\nNntp-Posting-Host: physerver.phy.mtu.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nOn Wed, 21 Apr 1993 03:52:11 GMT, Peter Cash (cash@convex.com) wrote:\n\n> I just got through listening to the 10 o\'clock news on Channel 4 here in\n> Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after\n> "months of investigation" for their raid. \n\nCNN just claimed he bought 104 "semi-automatic assault rifles". And\nthey say Koresh wasn\'t god-like... He managed to buy or build a\ncollection of fully-automatic semi-automatic rifles... Quite a feat,\nI would say. ;-)\n\nThey\'re still making charges of "sexual abuse" and such, or course.\nNobody seems to have noticed that the Treasury department has nothing\nto do with sex crimes. Or maybe the feds have recently instituted a\nTAX on sex crimes... Yeah, that\'s why the BATF was there, looking for\nunregistered *guns* ("this is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for\nfighting, this is for...").\n\n> I couldn\'t believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused\n> of stockpiling a bunch of "9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15\n> and M16 assault rifles". Imagine that--they had ammunition!\n\nI also heard that they\'re claiming to be cautious because of Koresh\'s\n"heated ammunition stockpile". I seem to recall that smokeless powder\ntends to decompose at even moderate temperatures. I would be rather\nsurprised, after a fire of that nature, if *any* of his "stockpile" is\nunexploded, or unburned.\n\n> They also had\n> aluminum dust! (Yeah, it\'s a component of thermite, but so far I haven\'t\n> heard that it\'s illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn\n> furniture...)\n\nI seem to recall that aluminum powder is a common component of\nfireworks... The folks on rec.pyro could probably tell you.\n\n> The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been\n> illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?)\n\nI think *anything* is legal if you have the proper license. If he had\na "curios and relics" permit, I believe he could legally own\nhandgrenades to go with his launcher.\n\n--\nCharles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu\nDept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n"...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be\ndrawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render\npowerless the checks provided of one government on another and will\nbecome as venal and oppressive as the government from which we\nseparated." Thomas Jefferson, 1821\n',
'From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky)\nSubject: Re: Ten questions about Israel\nLines: 66\nNntp-Posting-Host: taupe.cc.utexas.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas @ Austin\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:\n> \n> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n> Subject: Ten questions about Israel\n> \n> \n> Ten questions to Israelis\n> -------------------------\n> \n> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to\n> provide\n> accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are\n> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by\n> people around me. \n> \n> 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don\'t recognize\n> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens\n> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as\n> Israelis ?\n\n\n\tThat\'s true. Israeli ID cards do not identify people\n\tas Israelies. Smart huh?\n\n\n> 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,\n> could you provide any evidence ?\n\n\tYes. There\'s one warhead in my parent\'s backyard in\n\tBeer Sheva (that\'s only some 20 miles from Dimona,\n\tyou know). Evidence? I saw it!\n\n \n> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of\n> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their\n> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are\n> state secrets ?\n\n\tYes. But unfortunately I can\'t give you more details.\n\tThat\'s _secret_, you see.\n\n\n\t\t\t[...]\n\n> \n> Thanks,\n> \n> Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is\n\n\n\tYou\'re welcome. Now, let me ask you a few questions, if you\n\tdon\'t mind:\n\n\t1. Is it true that the Center for Policy Research is a \n\t one-man enterprise?\n\n\t2. Is it true that your questions are not being asked\n\t bona fide?\n\n\t3. Is it true that your statement above, "These are indeed \n\t provocative questions but they are asked time and again by\n\t people around me" is not true?\n\n\nNoam\n\n',
"From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman)\nSubject: Re: When did Dodgers move from NY to LA?\nArticle-I.D.: pony.1993Apr6.195730.20277\nOrganization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.\nLines: 6\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.160030.2328@ncar.ucar.edu> tparker@music.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) writes:\n>I have a bet with my buddy on when the Dodgers moved from NY to LA. Does\n>anyone know what year they moved?\n>\n\nThe Dodgers' first year in LA was 1958.\n",
"From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)\nSubject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year\nKeywords: congratz\nArticle-I.D.: dsd.1993Apr6.044018.23281\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: bambam\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:\n>In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:\n \n>> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the \n>> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?\n>\n>Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the\n>Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity\n>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended\n>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function\n>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the\n>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the \n>rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers\n>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the \n>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.\n\nI dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth.\nBut if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top\ntriple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice,\nbut I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-)\n-- \nBlaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland\nbgardner@dsd.es.com\n",
'From: filipows@spk.hp.com (Dennis Filipowski)\nSubject: ? Octopus\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 4\n\n During the Detroit game Mon night there were octopus thrown on\n the ice what is the meaning or symbolism here? They used to\n throw fish on the ice here in Spokane afew years ago. I never \n knew where this came from.\n',
"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Legality of the Jewish Purchase (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust)\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 69\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>Adam Shostack writes: \n>> Sam Zbib writes\n> >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by\n> >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive\n> >>state, as a hostile action leading to war.\n>\n>>\tIt was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an\n>> exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have\n>> 400 000 arab citizens.\n>\n>Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of \n>Israel right after it was formed. \n>\n>\n>> \tAnd no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile\n>> action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing\n>> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It\n>> is not a hostile action leading to war.\n>\n>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.\n>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about\n>anti-trust in the business world.\n>\n>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial\n>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines\n>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says\n>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of\n>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those\n>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so\n>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,\n>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some\n>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.\n>They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.\n>\n>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the\n>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /\n>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours\n>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair\n>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of\n>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist\n>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).\n>\n\nRight now, I'm just going to address this point.\nWhen the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,\nIt didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,\nfor the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),\nliving on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.\nThe JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of\nit. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no \nprovisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting \nthem by selling the land right out from under them.\nThey are to blame, not the Jews.\n\n>\n>> Adam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n>\n>-- \n>Sam Zbib Bell-Northern Research\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Bitnet/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca VOICE: (613) 763-5889\n> FAX: (613) 763-2626\n>Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> My opinions are my own and no one else's\n\n\nAmir\n",
'From: jae2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jason Ehas)\nSubject: Re: Giveaways\nOrganization: Home of 1984 NCAA hockey champs\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1qi44l$kqr@access.digex.net>, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve\nGallichio) wrote:\n> \n> \n> John P. Curcio (jpc@philabs.philips.com) responded to my drivel:\n> \n> >steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes:\n> > \n> >>I still am surprised that no one has tried giving away the goodies at the end\n> >>of the game. The two problems with that, of course, are that you would want\n> >>to make sure the first people in the building would be assured of getting\n> >>them (probably redeemable vouchers), and that the building managers want to\n> >>avoid at all costs delaying people as they leave the building, if, for\n> >>instance, the goodies are given to people as they exit.\n> >\n> >I went to the New Jersey Devils/Carvel Ice Cream Puck Night (tm) last year to\n> >see the beloved Bruins play. The pucks were given out at the end of the game.\n> >I could just imagine what would have happened late in the third if the Bruins\n> >were winning....\n> \n> It figures, after I posted the first article, I found out that the Whalers are\n> going to be using coupons for the the giveaway on Friday Night. I believe that\n> is is the "Some Big Corporation (Probably a Bank) Flying Disk Night." I think\n> that we could all see the potential for danger here...\n> \n> >|> All in all, I have seen a whole bunch of giveaways land on the ice, and it\n> >|> never ceases to amuse me. I\'m just thankful for the players that no one has\n> >|> yet to sponsor \'Lead Pipe Night\' at any arenas...\n> >\n> >That\'s probably because they couldn\'t find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS\n> >could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough?\n> \n> Naah, it\'d probably bounce off of Jay Caufield.\n> \n> -SG\n\nI was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country\nstation sponsored a kazoo giveaway. After a particularly bad call by the\nunderexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice. I\nthought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully\nunhappy.\n\nJason\n',
'From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:\n>In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:\n>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American\n>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of\n>\n>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN \n>CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.\n>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals\n>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. \n\nRead the Constitution yourself. The Second Amendment says the right to bear\narms shall not be infringed, so a well regulated militia may be more easily\nformed. I have an interpretation of the Second that shows there are no \nqualifications to the right to keep and bear arms. If you want, I can E-mail\nit to you. By the way, gun talk belongs in talk.politics.guns.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n',
'From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu\nSubject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Cornell University\nLines: 4\n\nIs it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n\nMike Terry\n\'82 Virago\n',
'From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)\nSubject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 127\n\nHello src readers,\n\nAgain the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox\nChurches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion\nabout it a while ago. \n\nIn article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu> db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:\n>\n>The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism. This was a\n>heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. It\n>grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus\n>are two different people who happened to be united in the same body\n>temporarily. Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia\n>and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. \n\nThen OFM comments :\n\n>\n>\n>[These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different\n>things it\'s often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously\n>different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I\n>don\'t think there\'s any question that there is a problem with\n>Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form\n>without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I\'d like to be\n>a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions\n>suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from\n>orthodoxy as many had thought. \n\nWith my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration\nis needed. This is an excerpt from an article featured in the first issue\nof the Copt-Net Newsletter :\n\nUnder the authority of the Eastern Roman Empire of Constantinople (as opposed\nto the western empire of Rome), the Patriarchs and Popes of Alexandria played\nleading roles in Christian theology. They were invited everywhere to speak\nabout the Christian faith. St. Cyril, Pope of Alexandria, was the head of the\nEcumenical Council which was held in Ephesus in the year 430 A.D. It was said\nthat the bishops of the Church of Alexandria did nothing but spend all their\ntime in meetings. This leading role, however, did not fare well when politics\nstarted to intermingle with Church affairs. It all started when the Emperor\nMarcianus interfered with matters of faith in the Church. The response of St.\nDioscorus, the Pope of Alexandria who was later exiled, to this interference\nwas clear: "You have nothing to do with the Church." These political motives\nbecame even more apparent in Chalcedon in 451, when the Coptic Church was\nunfairly accused of following the teachings of Eutyches, who believed in\nmonophysitism. This doctrine maintains that the Lord Jesus Christ has only\none nature, the divine, not two natures, the human as well as the divine.\n\nThe Coptic Church has never believed in monophysitism the way it was\nportrayed in the Council of Chalcedon! In that Council, monophysitism meant\nbelieving in one nature. Copts believe that the Lord is perfect in His\ndivinity, and He is perfect in His humanity, but His divinity and His\nhumanity were united in one nature called "the nature of the incarnate word",\nwhich was reiterated by St. Cyril of Alexandria. Copts, thus, believe in two\nnatures "human" and "divine" that are united in one "without mingling,\nwithout confusion, and without alteration" (from the declaration of faith at\nthe end of the Coptic divine liturgy). These two natures "did not separate\nfor a moment or the twinkling of an eye" (also from the declaration of faith\nat the end of the Coptic divine liturgy).\n\nThe Coptic Church was misunderstood in the 5th century at the Council of\nChalcedon. Perhaps the Council understood the Church correctly, but they\nwanted to exile the Church, to isolate it and to abolish the Egyptian,\nindependent Pope. Despite all of this, the Coptic Church has remained very\nstrict and steadfast in its faith. Whether it was a conspiracy from the\nWestern Churches to exile the Coptic Church as a punishment for its refusal\nto be politically influenced, or whether Pope Dioscurus didn\'t quite go the\nextra mile to make the point that Copts are not monophysite, the Coptic\nChurch has always felt a mandate to reconcile "semantic" differences between\nall Christian Churches. This is aptly expressed by the current 117th\nsuccessor of St. Mark, Pope Shenouda III: "To the Coptic Church, faith is\nmore important than anything, and others must know that semantics and\nterminology are of little importance to us." Throughout this century, the\nCoptic Church has played an important role in the ecumenical movement. The\nCoptic Church is one of the founders of the World Council of Churches. It has\nremained a member of that council since 1948 A.D. The Coptic Church is a\nmember of the all African Council of Churches (AACC) and the Middle East\nCouncil of Churches (MECC). The Church plays an important role in the\nChristian movement by conducting dialogues aiming at resolving the\ntheological differences with the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Presbyterian, and\nEvangelical Churches.\n\n[...]\n\nAs a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign\na common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of Monophysitism\nwas condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in\nMonophysitism.\n\nPeace,\n\nNabil\n\n .-------------------------------------------------------------.\n / Nabil Ayoub ____/ __ / ____/ /\n / Engine Research Center / / / / /\n / Dept. of Mechanical Engineering ___/ __ / / /\n / University of Wisconsin-Madison / / | / /\n / Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu _____/ __/ _| _____/ /\n \'-------------------------------------------------------------\'\n\n[As I mentioned in a brief apology, the comment quoted above from me\nis confused. I appear to say that Nestorius was monophysite. As\nAndrew Byler correctly stated it, the Nestorians and monophysites were\nactually opposite parties. The point I was making, which Nabil\nexplains in some detail, is that some groups that have been considered\nheretical probably aren\'t.\n\nChalcedon was a compromise between two groups, the Alexandrians and\nAntiochenes. It adopted language that was intended to be acceptable\nto moderates in both camps, while ruling out the extremes. I agree\nthat there were extremes that were heretical. However in the course\nof the complex politics of the time, it appears that some people got\nrejected who didn\'t intend heresy, but simply used language that was\nnot understood or even was mispresented. And some seem not to have\njointed in the compromise for reasons other than doctrine. There are\ngroups descended from both of the supposedly heretical camps. This\nposting discussed the descendants of the Alexandrians. There are also\na remaining Nestorians. Like some of the current so-called\nmonophysites, there is reason to believe that the current so-called\nNestorians are not heretical either. They sheltered Nestorius from\nwhat they saw as unfair treatment, but claim they did not adopt his\nheresies, and in fact seem to follow more moderate representatives of\nthe Antiochene tradition.\n\n--clh]\n',
"From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)\nSubject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets?\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes:\n>The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets\n>to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would\n>it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?\n\nThere are ALWAYS scalpers with tickets outside the Arena. You might have\nto pay a few bucks extra, but you can always find them. Look on the\nstreet under the message board, or out on the street in front of the Hyatt,\nor even around Gate 1. The later you buy them, the less money you'll pay,\nand during the regular season you could usually find some for near face\nvalue or below if you wait until game time. Might be better to pick them\nup earlier now, though.\n\nrick\n",
"From: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres)\nSubject: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)\nOrganization: FidoNet node 1:2603/204 - Not Even Odd, Forest Hills NY\nLines: 26\n\nI believe it goes or will go:\n680060\npowerPC\nPentium\n680040\n486\n680030\n386\n680020\n286=680000\n\nIn a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was\n slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed\n for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie\n quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so.\n Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system\n at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the\n speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think\n it laps the pentium.\n\npro-life pro-women\n\n\n-- \n=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=\n Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org\n",
"From: mabbot@stellenbos.csir.co.za (Mike Abbot)\nSubject: High level language compilers for uControllers ?\nArticle-I.D.: stellenb.mabbot.30.0\nOrganization: CSIR\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 146.64.23.16\nX-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official\nX-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries.\nX-Disclaimer: ** So don't freak out at _us_ about anything **\n\nHowdy chaps\n\nHas anybody got any pointers to good C, Pascal, etc compilers for \nmicrocontrollers, shareware or otherwise ?\n\nMy specific need is for 8051 C, but if the responses are many and varied I \nwill post a summary.\n\nCheers\nMike\n\n\nMike Abbott\tmabbot@stellenbos.csir.co.za\nCape Town\tmabbot@fred.csir.co.za\nSouth Africa\n",
'From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nLines: 32\n\n\nMaddi Hausmann chirps:\n\n>timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >\n\n>>First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy. Why not try to be more >honest\n>>and include my sentence afterwards that\n\n>Honest, it just ended like that, I swear!\n\nThat\'s nice.\n\n>Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and\n>rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls\n>people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr\n\nYou forgot the third equality...whirrr...click...whirrr...see below...\n\n>Whirr click whirr...Frank O\'Dwyer might also be contained\n>in that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr\n\n>"Killfile" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank "Closet Theist" O\'Dwyer = ...\n\n= Maddi "The Mad Sound-O-Geek" Hausmann\n\n...whirrr...click...whirrr\n\n--\nBake Timmons, III\n\n-- "...there\'s nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life\nthan some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)\n',
"From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)\nSubject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor)\nOrganization: University of Bergen, Norway\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes:\n\n :\n :\n\n|> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor);\n|> XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex);\n|> \n|> Then to draw I do:\n|> \n|> XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2);\n|> XFlush( myDisplay);\n|> \n|> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do:\n|> \n|> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy);\n|> \n|> \n|> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of\n|> whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If\n|> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are\n|> over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor\n|> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and\n|> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image).\n|> \n|> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong?\n|> \n|> david\n\n\n Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that\n are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it\n back to GXxor)...\n\n\nKurt.\n",
'From: dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley)\nSubject: Re: SE rom\nOrganization: wyvern.com\nLines: 31\n\nseanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes:\n\n>In article <wgwC5pDL4.43y@netcom.com>, wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes:\n>> \n>> \tAnyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable\n>> about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply\n>> impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could\n>> someone armed with enough info and a little pro-\n>> gramming experience cook something up that would\n>> supplement the ROM\'s capabilities?\n \t\n>To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped\n>with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it\'s\n>not mentioned in "Apple Facts" (guide for apple sellers), in the\n>press release or in the technical specs.\n\n>Sean \n\nI think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded\nwith the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on\nits screen or any attached video because that ability is not in the ROM.\n\nSo, while you might be able to PRINT grayscale, you\'d have a hard time\nSEEING the grayscale image you want to print.\n\nDoug\n-- \nThis Signature Under Construction\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\nWyvern Technologies | Tidewater\'s Premier Online Information System\n | (804) 627-1818, login guest, password guest to register\n',
'From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby?\nLines: 31\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <kmr4.1572.734847158@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n>From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\n>Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby?\n>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:12:38 GMT\n>\n>(S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n>>(TAMMY R HEALY) writes:\n>>>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named \n>>>Ellen G. White. I hope that what she said will help you to edit your \n>>>remarks in this group in the future.\n>>>\n>>>"Do not set yourself as a standard. Do not make your opinions, your views \n>>>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in \n>>>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal."\n>>> Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124\n>>\n>>Point?\n>\n>\tPoint: you have taken it upon yourself to judge others; when only \n>God is the true judge.\n>\n>---\n>\n> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. \n> \n>\nI agree totally with you! Amen! You stated it better and in less world \nthan I did.\n\nTammy\n\n',
"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter)\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA\nLines: 23\n\njon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:\n> \n> In article <C5G1su.K27@wolves.Durham.NC.US>, wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wo\n> > A sad day for civil rights. But typical of NC (unfortunately.)\n> \n> If it is typical for the principle of reasonable doubt to be upheld in\n> North Carolina, then I would count that in the state's favor. \n> \nReasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of\nCivil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings\nattached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that \nverdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or \ninnocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than \nobjective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be \nsacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a \nsmall price to pay for the common good don't you think?\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\ncutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy \n to the person who\n doesn't have to do them.\n Holt's law\n",
'From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)\nSubject: Happy Birthday Israel!\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 2\n\nIsrael - Happy 45th Birthday!\n\n',
'From: ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore)\nSubject: Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks...\nOrganization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory\nLines: 22\n\nnilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes:\n\n>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive..\n\n>Don\'t laugh ... I am serious...\n\n>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of,\n>please mail me ... \n\n>-- Nilay Patel\n>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu\n\nYou do mean disks, don\'t you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you\nwere looking for the old 8" or the newer 5.25".\n\nSorry, just use them at work and don\'t think they would appreciate it.\n\n-- \nNathan C. Moore\nThe Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory\nncmoore2@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu CIS: 70702,1576\nPlease note above address for email replies.\n',
'From: robie@umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie)\nSubject: IBM PC Convertible Parts 4-Sale\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu\nX-Auth-User: robie\n\nI have some used, but working, parts available for the original IBM\nlaptop - the PC Convertible. If you have one of these things, and\nstill are using it, you may have found out that IBM wants OUTRAGEOUS\nprices for parts. I built up a supply of enough parts to keep mine\ngoing for a few years, and will be willing to part with the rest.\n\nBasically, I have all the standard parts EXCEPT:\n\nMotherboard\nBattery\nPower Supply\n\nI\'ve got a few of the accessories, too - just ask.\n\nThese are in very limited supply, however. I\'ve basically just cannibalized\na couple of old machines.\n\nIf you are interested, please e-mail me.\n\nNote: For those who want to convince themselves that they are somehow\nsuperior because they have newer and better machines, or who want to\ninform me that these are "worthless junk," save your effort. I\'ll\njust delete the note. Those of us who bought these machines when they first\ncame out still find them useful for word processing, etc.. I\'m saving\nmine as a future antique.\n\n',
"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nmam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes:\n\n>Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order to talk \n>knowledgeably about religion, Atheists must first have been so immersed \n>in a religion that only the rare individual could have left. \n\nNo, you don't understand. I said that I don't think people can discuss\nthe subjective merits of religion objectively. This should be obvious.\nPeople here have said that everyone would be better off without religion,\nbut this almost certainly isn't true.\n\n>>But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it?\n>The motto is a tool. Let's try to take away the tool.\n\nBut, guns and axes are tools, both of which have been used for murder.\nShould both be taken away? That is to say, I don't think motto misuse\nwarrants its removal. At least not in this case.\n\nkeith\n",
"From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric)\nSubject: Wanted: Moltmann's God in Creation\nOrganization: Not important\nLines: 15\n\nI'm greatly in need of Jurgen\nMoltmann's book God in Creation:\nAn Ecological Doctrine of Creation.\n\nIf you have a copy you're willing to\npart with, I'd love to hear from you\nsoon. You may call me at 312-702-\n8367 or e-mail me.\n\nThanks.\n\n==========================================================================================\nSusan Soric\nIndependent agent\nsusan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu\n",
"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nSubject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 11\nReply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, shades@sorinc.cutler.com (Darrin A. Hyrup) says:\n\n>They [Thelema Lodge] don't have an internet address, but they do have a CIS\n>address which can be reached via uucp/internet. It is 72105,1351 so I guess\n>that would be '72105.1351@cis.com' or something like that.\n>\n\t\t......@compuserve.com\n\nTony\n\n",
'From: vince@sscl.uwo.ca\nSubject: Re: Early BBDDD Returns?\nOrganization: Social Science Computing Laboratory\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxi.sscl.uwo.ca\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.073051.9160@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) writes:\n> Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the\n> BB DDD this year. ...\n> \n> A concerned fan of the BB DDD,\n\nI am hoping to produce the first update of the BB DDD this week;\nplease send info about the most significant (longest, most critical,\netc.) home run that you have seen yet this season.\n\nVince.\n',
"From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)\nSubject: Re: Albert Sabin\nReply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)\nOrganization: Ministry of Silly Walks\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com\n(Bill Rawlins) writes:\n> Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring\n> to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if\n> you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and\n> well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian,\n> who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts\n> are very much in harmony. \n\n Bill, I find it rather remarkable that you managed to zero in on what is\nprobably the weakest evidence.\n\n What is probably the most convincing is the anti-Christian literature put out\nby the Jewish councils in the second century. There are enormous quantities of\ndetailed arguments against Christianity, many of the arguments still being used\ntoday. Despite volumes of tracts attacking Christianity, not one denies the\nexistance of Jesus, only of his activities.\n\n I find this considerably more compelling than Josephus or the harmony of the\ngospels (especially considering that Matthew and Luke probably used Mark as a\nsource).\n\n | __L__\n-|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub\n | | o | kv07@iastate.edu\n |/ `---' Iowa State University\n/| ___ Math Department\n | |___| 400 Carver Hall\n | |___| Ames, IA 50011\n J _____\n",
'From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Compiling help\nOrganization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project\nLines: 12\n\nI\'d like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c. The\nX distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say\nit has been tested on the machine. BUT, also in the release notes,\nnothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers. What am I\nsupposed to use for my r5 X server then? How can the OS be supported,\nbut not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can\nbe used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but\nI\'m *really* confused.\n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class." -Unknown\n',
"From: naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter)\nSubject: Endometriosis\nOrganization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX\nLines: 15\n\n\ncan anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard\nit's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names\nof a specialist/surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park\narea (raleigh/durham/chapel hill) who is familiar with the condition,\ni would really appreciate it.\n\nthanks. \n\n--Naomi\n-- \nNaomi L.T. Courter\nNetwork Services Specialist\nMCNC - Center for Communications\nCONCERT Network \n",
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1rd1g0$ckb@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>How will said re-boost be done?\n>Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude, \n>unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays,\n>then return to earth?\n\nActually, the reboost will probably be done last, so that there is a fuel\nreserve during the EVAs (in case they have to chase down an adrift\nastronaut or something like that). But yes, you've got the idea -- the\nreboost is done by taking the whole shuttle up.\n\n>My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost?\n>why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled\n>thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost...\n\nSomebody has to build that thruster module; it's not an off-the-shelf\nitem. Nor is it a trivial piece of hardware, since it has to include\nattitude control (HST's own is not strong enough to compensate for things\nlike thruster imbalance), guidance (there is no provision to feed gyro\ndata from HST's own gyros to an external device), and separation (you\ndon't want it left attached afterward, if only to avoid possible\ncontamination after the telescope lid is opened again). You also get\nto worry about whether the lid is going to open after the reboost is\ndone and HST is inaccessible to the shuttle (the lid stays closed for\nthe duration of all of this to prevent mirror contamination from\nthrusters and the like).\n\nThe original plan was to use the Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle to do the\nreboost. The OMV was planned to be a sort of small space tug, well\nsuited to precisely this sort of job. Unfortunately, it was costing\na lot to develop and the list of definitely-known applications was\nrelatively short, so it got cancelled.\n-- \nSVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\nbetween SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
'From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Derek Juntunen)\nSubject: Who will be #1 pick in NHL draft?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch\nLines: 8\n\nI recently bought a pack of prospect hockey cards which had various\nplayers that were coming into the NHL. I got this particular card of\na Russian named Viktor Kozlov. It says "many scouts believe he will\nbe the #1 pick in 1993". Another guy is quoted as saying "He\'s as \ngood as Mario Lemieux". Anyone know who this guy is?????\n\n-- Via DLG Pro v0.995\n\n',
"From: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com\nSubject: Xremote into X11R6?\nReply-To: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com ()\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 12\nX-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18\n\n\nHi!\n\nI remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had \nbeen given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6. Is this true? If so,\n(set mode/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line\nX server support?\n\nThanks!\n\nTerry Lemons\nDigital Equipment Corporation\n",
'From: throopw%sheol@concert.net\nSubject: Re: Clipper considered harmful\nLines: 59\n\n: From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)\n: Message-ID: <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu>\n: It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications\n: would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future\n: probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained.\n\nI think it is unlikely that data like this could be used in court.\nCurrently LEAs can install wiretaps on large numbers of phones, record\ncalls without listening to them, and then post-facto obtain warrants\nand listen to calls after probable cause is established. But this\nstrategy wouldn\'t get the stuff admitted in court. (At least, not\nin the near term.)\n\nIn other words, near as I can tell, the thing that makes such evidence\ninadmissable is the interception without a warrant, not the attempt to\ninterpret what was intercepted without a warrant. I\'d be surprised\nthat archiving data without consent would be interpreted as anything\nbut analogous to a wiretap by the courts.\n\nNote that that doesn\'t mean I think it won\'t be done if technically\nfeasible. Just as I\'m sure many wiretaps are done now without\nwarrants, just to fish for avenues to investigate. So in the future,\nstart surveilance, start archiving data, trump up some probable cause,\ndecrypt post-facto after the warrant is in hand, and the investigation\ngets a boost from data that, sadly, won\'t ever be presented to a jury.\n\nWhile I\'m posting... for an interesting cautionary tale projecting this\narchiving scenario to extremes, read "Lacey and his Friends", a\ncollection of sf stories by David Drake. The US starts down the\nslippery slope by archiving *everyghing*. But don\'t worry folks, it\'s\nstored in a secure repository where nobody but LEAs with warrants can\nget to it. And by the way, we\'ll be installing cameras on all major\nstreets. Hey, this is nothing new, we already have cameras in banks and\nteller machines, don\'t we?\n\nAnd then we\'ll pass laws requiring cameras covering *all* public\nplaces. Then in some private places. Then we\'ll make it a crime ever\nto be out of range of a camera, except in legally licensed privacy\ncubicles. Only alone. And with a thorough body search before and\nafter. But, see, there\'s still a right to privacy. We haven\'t\ncurtailed any rights, not really. And just think how much easier it\'d\nbe to solve crimes in such a situation: just obtain a warrant, put on a\nVR helmet and take a walk down memory lane.\n\nAnd hey, nobody\'ll be tracking *you* or *me*, no need to be self-conscious.\n\nAfter all, if you\'re not doing anything illegal...\n\nFunny, though. While speeding and the radar detector industry became\npretty much a thing of the past, somehow all this didn\'t elminate all\ncrime in the story. And somehow, politicians got exemptions on grounds\nof national security, and rich corporations got exemptions for their\nexecs on grounds of industrial espionage and the preservation of\ncompetition. And not everybody was exactly happy with the system. \nI can\'t imagine why.\n\n--\nWayne Throop throopw%sheol@concert.net\n throop%aurgate@concert.net\n',
"From: tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.tripp)\nSubject: Airline Tickets -- O'Hare->Tuscon\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: Tickets - O'Hare->Tucson Round Tripp\nLines: 29\n\n\tTwo Round-Trip Tickets\n\tO'Hare --> Tuscon\n\tAmerican Airlines\n\tGood thru November\n No Reasonable Offer Refused, But lets start at\n $750 for both (Paid $925)\n\n\tHopefully someone can use these as I\nhave no use for them, and don't know a way \nto get my moneys worth without going to\nTuscon again! `\n\n\tE-Mail only at this time\n\n\t tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com\n\n//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////\n Now why would AT&T or Butler Services \n have anything to do with my warped ramblings?!\n\nCrabby-Old-Fart Mechanical/PCB Designer w/buku CAD background,\n & still working on BSCS is looking for work! \n Wants to take a shot at ASIC/IC Layout!!\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n A.R.Tripp - a.k.a. tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////\n\n",
"From: pnelson@minnow.rutgers.edu (warmonger)\nSubject: South Jersey Condo\nKeywords: forsale condo jersey\nArticle-I.D.: minnow.Apr.6.14.09.43.1993.15566\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 37\n\n\nI have recently graduated and am looking to move into a bigger house,\nleaving me with a condo to sell... It was originally listed at\n59,000, but is now listed at $54,900. The following is a list of\nfeatures.\n\nMaster Bedroom \t14x11\nBedroom\t\t11x10\nLiving Room\t16x13\nDining Room\t10x9\nKitchen\t\t9x11 w/ extra cabinets\n1 Full / Modern Bathroom\nFull wtw carpeting /new/ excluding bath, Oil hot water heating\n/converting to gas this summer/, central air, condo fee $183/mo\nINCLUDING heat; hot water; landscaping; pool; tennis courts. \n\nIn addition: washer, dryer /both in condo/, refrigerator, dishwasher,\n2 ceiling fans, all window treatments /I don't understand why I can't\ncall them curtains.../, and a mantle!\n\nLarge storage room in private basement, plenty of undesignated\nparking.\n\nIf you'd like to free me for the bliss of regular homeownership,\nplease call Kathleen Sullivan at the Rohrer&Sayers Real Estate Agency:\n609-546-0004. She'll arrange for a showing off.\n\nNow for that disclaimer caca: Subject to errors, changes, ommissions,\nwithdrawls, and sales without notice.\n\nThis posting is not to benefit or at the request of any commercial\nagency. I simply want out. Flames can be sent to /dev/null\n\nThanks,\npnelson@clam.rutgers.edu\nPaul G. Nelson\nSystems Hardware Integration Technician\n",
'From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous)\nSubject: Re: XV for MS-DOS !!!\nOrganization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nNOE-MAILADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch wrote:\n> I\'m sorry for...\n\n> 1) The late of the answer but I couldn\'t find xv221 for msdos \'cause \n> \tI forgot the address...but I\'ve retrieve it..\n\n> 2) Posting this answer here in comp.graphics \'cause I can\'t use e-mail,\n> ^^^ not yet....\n\n> 2) My bad english \'cause I\'m a Swiss and my language is french....\n ^^^\nIf french is your language, try counting in french in stead, maybe\nit will work better.... :-)\n\n _______________________________\n / _ L* / _ / . / _ /_ "One thing is for sure: The sheep\n / _) /()(/(/)//)) /_ ()(/_) / / Is NOT a creature of the earth."\n / \\_)~ (/ Joachim@kih.no / / \n/_______________________________/ / -The back-masking on \'Haaden II\'\n /_______________________________/ from \'Exposure\' by Robert Fripp.\n',
'From: kxgst1@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert)\nSubject: Re: Can\'t Breathe\nArticle-I.D.: blue.7936\nLines: 23\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu) wrote:\n: [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)]\n: \n: >While you\'re right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other,\n: >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or\n: >by applying pressure on the pubic bone...\n: \n: Ron, you\'re an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral\n: vertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine.\n: It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a\n: lumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone,\n: break it? No, don\'t tell me, I don\'t want to know.\n: \nOh come now, surely you know he only meant to measure the flow of\nelectromagnetic energy about the sacrum and then adjust these flows\nwith a crystal of chromium applied to the right great toe. Don\'t\nyou know anything?\n\n--\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n= Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh =\n= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer! =\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n',
'From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\n\nJason Chen writes:\n> Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one\n> suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But\n> if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it.\n\n----------\n\nYeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left \nout the part about "we all ate the same thing." Changes things a bit, eh?\n\nYou complain that people blame MSG automatically, since it\'s an unknown and\ntherefore must be the cause. It is equally (if not more) unreasonable to\ndefend it, automatically assuming that it CAN\'T be the culprit.\n\nPepper makes me sneeze. If it doesn\'t affect you the same way, fine.\nJust don\'t tell me I\'m wrong for saying so.\n\nThese people aren\'t condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its \n(optional) ingredients. Try not to take it so personally.\n',
'From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)\nSubject: Re: Age of Consent == Child Molestation\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 20\n\nFrom article <C4zLJ8.Bun@queernet.org>, by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese):\n> In article <15148@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:\n\n#>NAMBLA\'s presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit.\n#>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support\n#>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding\n#>of their rights and responsibilities. I would really, really like\n#>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so.\n\n> There are dozens of examples of the latter; NAMBLA is an especially\n> glaring one, but hardly the only one.\n\nPerhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the\nSF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some\nclue in this regard. Dozens of examples? I don\'t know...\n-- \nMark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh\nAmateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- AOL: BigCookie@aol.com -- USCF: L10861\n"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992\n"I\'m gonna crush you!" - Andre the Giant, 1946-1993\n',
"From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 22\n\n\nWith regards to my condemnation of Marc's ridiculous attacks on the\nAmerican Department of Justice, and further attacks on Jews, to\nanyone who took offense to my calling Marc stupid, I\napologize for pointing out the obvious. It was a waste of the\nNet's time. I hope, though, that most American citizens have\nthe basic knowlege of the structure of American government to\nunderstand the relationship between the Justice Department\nas a part of the Executive Branch, and the Courts, which\nare of the Judicial Branch. \nMarc's ignorance of basic civic knowlege underscores his\ninability to comprehend and interpret foreign affairs. \n\n\nPeace,\nPete\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"From: hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman)\nSubject: Re: Need longer filenames\nOrganization: Mind's Eye, Inc.\nLines: 18\nX-Mailer: TMail version 1.13\n\nIn <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote:\n> \n> \n> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than\n> the standard 8.3 format. If so please email me.\n\nplease e-mail me too,\n\nthanks\n\n...howard\nhfeldman@infoserv.com\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n\nHoward Feldman\nMind's Eye, Inc.\n",
"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie)\nSubject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER\nArticle-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210350.2865\nOrganization: Allegheny College\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca \n(JASON WALTER WORKS) writes:\n> The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. \nThey \n> clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two \n> homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a \nthree \n> run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, \n> tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many \nmore \n> to follow). The Yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the \n> Indians. The Yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the \ndivision.\n> GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young.\n> \n> ---> jason.\n\nJason, I am going to a yankee game wed night at cleveland stadium. I am so \nhappy.\n\n\nBut Cleveland is a very bad team who lost severalrs. They were an up and \ncoming team, now they are just a sad excuse for a better average.\n\n\n\nABBOT WILL NOT WIN THE CY.!!!!!! MELIDO PEREZ WILL. as bold a prediction \nas they come., Well herOT be in last place by the end of the season. Mike \nlurie Speaks, and the world listens.\n",
'From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis)\nSubject: Love Europe\nOrganization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK\nLines: 4\n\nAre any readers of s.r.c. going to the Love Europe congress in Germany this\nJuly?\n-- \nMichael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)\n',
"From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky)\nSubject: .GIF to .BMP\nOrganization: Motorola, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.164\nLines: 12\n\n\nDoes anybody have any idea where I could find a program that can\nconvert a .GIF image into a .BMP image suitable for a Windows \nwallpaper (i.e. 256 colors). Hopefully there's something out there\nI can get from an ftp site somewhere...\n\nThanks in advance...\n\nScott\n\n\n\n",
'From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nReply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: NOT\nLines: 9\n\nxlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:\n]Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n\nyes.\n\n-- \nJoe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org\nAustin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org\nTexas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org\n',
'Subject: Cubs mailing list\nFrom: andrew@dark.side.of.the.moon.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: OU - Academic User Services\nNntp-Posting-Host: loopback.uoknor.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 14\nLines: 14\n\n\n\tIs there anyone out there running a Chicago National\n\tLeague Ballclub list? If so, please send me information\n\ton it to...\n\t\t\tandrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu\n\n\tThanks!\n\n|\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/|\n|O| _ | Chihuahua Charlie | OU is not responsible |O|\n|O| | | | Academic User Services | for anything anywhere, |O|\n|O| |||| | The University of Oklahoma | except for that one |O|\n|O| |_| | andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu | incident where 200... |O|\n|O|____________________________________________________________________|O|\n',
'From: charles@trintex.uucp (Charles Emmons)\nSubject: Version control for MAC and PC LAN\nOrganization: Prodigy Services Co.\nLines: 28\n\nWe have a LAN where we are doing development on product for multiple platforms. \nFor the moment we are only working on MAC and DOS/Windows. The department has \nalways used sneaker net to transport files to the MAC, since it requires a \nfilter to strip out the <LF> characters. \n\nUntil recently no one concidered using any version control to mediate, and as \na result, the 5 programmers spent a great deal of time merging files together \nat the end of each week so that a new system could be build. We are now trying \nto streamline this process, but are hampered by the lack of software that will \nallow us to share files across PC and MAC platforms. \n\nI understand that PVCS used to do this, but that they no longer support the MAC \nproduct (anyone know why ?? Polytron ?). \n\nI have seen people ask about development in multiple platforms, so I assume that\nours is not a new problem. Who has had to deal with it ? What solutions have \nyou come up with? \n\nthanks in advance for any and all suggestions via posting or EMAIL. If there are\nenough EMAIL responses then I will post a synopsis of the knowledge. \n\n-Charles Emmons \n\n-- \n Charles Emmons | charles@trintex.uucp | These opinions are\n Prodigy Services Co. | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless\n White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856 | you would like to\n PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A | FAX 914-993-8659 | share them.\n',
'From: blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.)\nSubject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: leo.unm.edu\n\nIn article <1pr3d3$doh@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk) writes:\n>>>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get: (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336\n>>>This mean anything to anyone? :^)\n>5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else.\n\nOf course, 2+1+8+9+7+3+9+3+3+6 = 51, which, quite obviously is 23+23+5...\nr.\n',
"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids\nArticle-I.D.: access.1psghn$s7r\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <C4t3K3.498@cck.coventry.ac.uk> enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes:\n|\n|I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump\n|the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes.\n|So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on \n|hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times\n|as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas\n|and liquid comparision of course!\n\n\nCould you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid.\nSorta like the portable Iron Lung? Put some sort of flex tubing\naround the 'aquanauts' chest. Cyclically compress it and it will\npush enough on the chest wall to support breathing?????\n\nYou'd have to trust your breather, but in space, you have to trust\nyour suit anyway.\n\npat\n",
"From: wilie.wilson@analog.com ( willie wilson )\nSubject: Experiences of DESQview/X? \nReply-To: willie.wilson@analog.com\nOrganization: Analog Devices B.V., Limerick, IRELAND\nLines: 19\n\nI need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely\nMicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to\nbe expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The\ncurrent proposal is to use DESQview/X as a display server for the\napplication.\n\nI would like to know your experiences with using DESQview/X to run an\napplication on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that\nthe network traffic is slow.\n\nReplies only by e-mail please.\n\nThanks, in advance.\n---\n ,__o\n _-\\_<,\n...Willie (*)/'(*)\nwillie.wilson@analog.com\n\n",
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.210712.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>> So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the\n>> U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? \n>\n>Why must it be a US Government Space Launch Pad? Directly I mean...\n\nIn fact, you probably want to avoid US Government anything for such a\nproject. The pricetag is invariably too high, either in money or in\nhassles.\n\nThe important thing to realize here is that the big cost of getting to\nthe Moon is getting into low Earth orbit. Everything else is practically\ndown in the noise. The only part of getting to the Moon that poses any\nnew problems, beyond what you face in low orbit, is the last 10km --\nthe actual landing -- and that is not immensely difficult. Of course,\nyou *can* spend sagadollars (saga- is the metric prefix for beelyuns\nand beelyuns) on things other than the launches, but you don't have to.\n\nThe major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for\nmore than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit.\nFor what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop\na new launch system that will be considerably cheaper. (Delta Clipper\nmight be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less\nambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.) Any plan for doing\nsustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting\nmoney in a big way.\n\nGiven this, questions like whose launch facilities you use are *not* a\nminor detail; they are very important to the cost of the launches, which\ndominates the cost of the project.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
'From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price)\nSubject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK\nOrganization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York\nLines: 38\n\nIn <Apr.20.03.02.03.1993.3788@geneva.rutgers.edu> mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes:\n[">"= Mark, ">>"= mp]\n\n>> I\'m concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they\'d\n>>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in\n>>ideological manipulation and cultural interference\n\n>Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two \n>small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive \n>conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their \n>could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible \n>studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding \n>faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY*\n\n I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your\nfrustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions\nchallenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer\nincludes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish\ndictionary removed both Spanish and Tzotzil words for concepts which are\nthreatening to the ruling ideology, e.g., class, conquer, exploitation,\nrepression, revolution, and described words which can express\nideological concepts in examples like "Boss--the boss is good. He treats\nus well and pays us a good wage." As some of my students would say,\n"NOT!" \n Your tone implies that you are unlikely to believe me--indeed, why\nshould you? If you are interested enough to do some further research\nthough, and you sound as if you are, here are some references for you.\n \nStoll, David. _Fishers of Men or Founders of Empire? The Wycliffe Bible\nTranslators in Latin America_.\n_Sectas y Religiosidad en America Latina_.\n_Los Angeles Times_, Dec. 11. 1977.\n_Latin America Press_, May 19, 1983.\n_Washington Times_, June 22, 1984.\n\n Happy hunting.\n\n mp\n',
"From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)\nSubject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 19\n\n\n>> Does that mean they have to pay his salary? Didn't they wait\n>> for him to clear waivers? If not, why not?\n>>\nDavis will be paid by three clubs this year, I think the Phils are\nresponsbible for about $600,000 or so. They didn't wait for him to clear\nwaivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him. A gamble?\nYes.\n\n>> Oh, it will? As a Royals fan, I am skeptical. They say he pitched well\n>> in winter ball. He also pitched well at Omaha while with KC. He just\n>> didn't pitch well (or even acceptably) when in the majors. (I don't have\n>> his Atlanta stats, but he must not have impressed them very much either.)\n>\n>What about the year when he got 40+ saves in San Diego, did he pitch well\n>then? Ok, I know he was awful the next year when he went to KC but still...\n>\nWon the CY Young, too, for that year.\n-- \n",
'From: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)\nSubject: Re: com ports /modem/ mouse conflict -REALLY?\nOrganization: Howtek, Inc.\nReply-To: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)\nX-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2\nLines: 43\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr11.120848.493@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org> (comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,uw.pc.general,uw.pc.ibm,misc.forsale.computers.d,comp.dcom.modems,), oli@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Duesel) writes:\n] Hi there,\n] \n] yuri@windy.Berkeley.EDU (Yuri Yulaev) writes:\n] \n] : \tI have 1s/1p/1g I/O card in my 386/40 PC. \n] : When I plug in wang modem at com4,it works. If I change\n] : it to com1- it doesn\'t. \n] : Program "chkport" gives diagnostics like "possible com /irq\n] : conflict at com1" (with mouse driver in memory).\n] \n] Since your IO-card only has one serial port - this should default to COM1 ? \n] Under MS-DOS, you can\'t share IRQ\'s - so you\'ll have to set either your modem\n] or your mouse to COM2 ... using different adresses and IRQ\'s.\n] When you set two \'devices\' onto the same IRQ - like COM1 and COM3 (or 2 and 4)\n] - the \'latter\' one will always win, i.e. if you have your mouse on COM1 and\n] start using your modem on COM3, your modem should work - but your mouse will\n] stop doing so, until reboot.\n] \n] It should be no problem, setting your modem to COM2 ? (you didn\'t write \n] anything about other peripherals ...)\n] \n] I hope, it helped a bit ....\t\t\t\t\tBy(t)e, Oli.\n] \n] \n\nHi,\n\nI\'m kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3\nand 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can\'t plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem\ninto com3 and expect both to work?\n\nIf Answer is NO, should I change IRQ\'s for com ports to be different? And,\ndoes it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too?\n\nPhil\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\nPhil Hunt "Wherever you go, there you are!"\nHowtek, Inc.\t\t \n\nInternet: phil@howtek.MV.COM uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil\n',
"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians\nNntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C50FnH.Cvo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n> [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format \n> so popular]\n>\n>Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia:\n\n<looking around> Who? Where?\nDon't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other\nconservatives do as well. \n\nJulie\nDISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else\n",
'From: ARowatt@massey.ac.nz (A.J. Rowatt)\nSubject: Page flipping in VGA 320x200x256 mode.\nOrganization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand\nX-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c\nLines: 12\n\nHelp!\nHow do you write to the second bank/page of memory when in VGA\n320x200x256 colour mode?. ie: to perform page flipping animation\nand buffering of the screen.\n I have tried using the Map Mask Registers, but this does not\nperform the required task (Although it does do something).\n\nNote: It *must* be able to work on a standard VGA (ie: not\nnecessarily a SVGA card).\n\nMany thanx in advance...\nAndrew\n',
'From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)\nSubject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu\n\n> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at \n> the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior \n> Senator? The King of the motss/bi? \n\n> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers \n> get brought out.\n\nProbably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops),\nwho will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the\ndensity of the crowd in small regions.\n\nThese sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA\nmethods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be\nmethodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers,\nso as to justify bigger budgets.\n\nSteve\n',
"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!DIR\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 18\n\n> Someone give SportChannel a call (or maybe Ted Turner).\n> Wasn't USA network covering the playoffs years ago?\n> \n> Jim G.\n\nOh to be back in the good old days when I lived in Florida (Florida for\nPetes sake!!) and could watch hockey every night as ESPN and USA alternated\ncoverage nights. Oh well I guess it would be too simple for the home office\nto look back into their past to solve a problem in the present...\n\nOf course I shouldn't complain. At least I'm getting to watch the playoffs\nfor a change. (Hooray!!) Now if the ESPN schedulers will realise there are\nother teams except Pittsberg in the Patrick. (Sounds like a Dr Suess Book\n=)\n\nKOZ\n\nLETS GO CAPS!!\n",
"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 20\n\nLiving things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain\nchemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell,\n(3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized\nexample), and perhaps other uses. These electric fields change with location\nand time in a large organism. Special photographic techniques such as applying\nexternal fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances\ncaused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will\nbe diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not.\n\nStudying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred\nyears old, but not a popular activity. Perhaps, except in the case of a few\ntissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the\ninvestigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed. There are some\nhints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding\nthe healing of broken bones, but not understood why.\n\nBioelectricity has a long association with mysticism. Ideas such as Frankenstein\nreanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as\nwhen Volta invented the battery. I personally don't care to revert to supernatural\ncause to explain things we don't yet understand.\n",
'From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nOrganization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco\nLines: 24\n\nhudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:\n>bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n>\n>>Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two\n>>contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat\n>>denials. I\'ve never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are\n>>indeed two different accounts of creation.\n>\n>That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of \n>a difficulty with the Bible. "were formed" can also be translated "had been\n>formed" in chapter two without any problems. So the text does not demand\n>that there are two creation stories. \n\nReally? I don\'t get it... Genesis first says that God created the\nearth, then the animals, then humans; then it turns around and says\nthat humans were created before animals! How can you escape this\ncontradiction?\n\n-- \n_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun\n/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j\'ai vus; j\'ose croire\n_/_/ n\'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.\n / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.\n / is that it ends. -- Rousseau\n',
"From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)\nSubject: Re: New Environmental Group Launches.\nIn-Reply-To: eoneill@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Sun, 4 Apr 93 23:02:33 GMT\nReply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University\nLines: 17\n\n\n*Teddy O'Neill-Creature with furry Hobbit feet from Bath UK*,\na sentimental fool, posts:\n \n With the force of a world-wide youth movement, it ought to\n be possible to establish a coordinated global program to\n accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the\n internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty year period.\n\nEvidently there are no open questions, either scientific or about\nhow people prefer to live.\n\n--\nJohn McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305\n*\nHe who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.\n\n",
'From: mwhaefne@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner)\nSubject: Re: "Accepting Jesus in your heart..."\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.\nLines: 10\n\n>\n>> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.\n>> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject\n>> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. \n\n\nWhy would you say "especially Christianity"?\n\n\nMark\n',
'From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)\nSubject: Re: HBP? BB? BIG-CAT?\nOrganization: Organization? Who cares? You just gotta say "Go Bears!"\nLines: 14\nDistribution: na\n\t<1qv9psINNsj6@lynx.unm.edu> <C5r7tv.36s@odin.corp.sgi.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu\nIn-reply-to: kubey@sgi.com\'s message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 23:27:29 GMT\n\nIn article <C5r7tv.36s@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:\n\n I suppose a foul ball machine (like Brett Butler) is pretty valuable,\n but I\'d rather watch (and root for) the lower OBP guys who can\n actually hit the ball.\n\nAnd I\'d rather watch (and root for) a team that scores lots of runs\nand wins games.\n\nOf course, I\'m rooting for the Rockies and Andres anyway. But that\'s\nfor irrational hometown reaons. I also root for Frank Thomas. :)\n\nDavid Paschich\n\n',
'From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace)\nSubject: Level 5\nReply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: sor.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 15\n\nAccording to a Software engineering professor here, what was actually rated\nlevel five was an ibm unit which produced part of the software for the shuttle,\nby not means all of it. \n\nInteresting note: 90% of the software development groups surveyed were at\nlevel 1. The ibm shuttle groups was the *only* one at level 5!\n\n---\nC/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/\nC/ Nathan F. Wallace C/C/ "Reality Is" C/\nC/ e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu C/C/ ancient Alphaean proverb C/\nC/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/\n \n\n\n',
"From: leapman@austin.ibm.com (Scott Leapman)\nSubject: Re: Half-page hand scanners?\nOriginator: leapman@junior.austin.ibm.com\nReply-To: $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 8\n\n\nI have a Lightening Scan Pro 256 hand scanner. It came with scanning/editing\nsoftware, OCR software, and some plug-in modules for Photoshop et al. The\nscanner was a tad on the pricey side ($480), but the scans are incredibly\naccurate, in 256 level, 300 dpi grayscale. It also has dithered and line art\nsettings when grayscale isn't desired. Great scanning software, easy to use. I\nfrequently write letters to my neices, and spontaneouly include a scanned image\nin the note. Hope this helps!\n",
"From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )\nSubject: Re: Memory upgrades\nNntp-Posting-Host: 222.1.248.85\nReply-To: gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com\nOrganization: Memories at Motorola\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 33\n\njacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy) writes:\n: \n: Excuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in\n: several FAQs but couldn't really find anything.\n\nYou are excused... the answer varies from Mac to Mac so it would be\na complex answer in the FAQ.\n: \n: I have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want\n: (need) to add additional memory. But I'm on a budget.\n: I really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is\n: the best (performance wise) and most economical way\n: to do this? Someone told me that I should only use\n: SIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg,\n: 4 2 meg, etc. What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg\n: and use the rest of what I already have? The manual\n: hasn't been very helpful with this.\n: \nThe si uses a 32 bit wide data bus and therefore you must use 4 8-bit\nwide simms. Sorry, but no short cuts here.\n\n: Thanks.\n\nYou're quite welcome.\n: \nGreg.\n\n--\nMy words, not Motorola's. * ______ * EQUAL rights NOT special rights \ngpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com * \\ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.\nGreg Berryman (512)928-6014 * \\ / * SILENCE = DEATH\nMotorola Austin, Texas, USA * \\/ * First, be true to yourself.\nGLB mailing list ---> glblist@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Motorola only)\n",
"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n|> In article <C4twso.8M2@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad) writes:\n|> > In article <1993Apr1.142854.794@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n|> >> In article <1p8v1aINN9e9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes:\n|> >> > bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n|> >> > \n|> >> >>- The Earth is evil because Satan rules over it.\n|> >> > \n|> >> > This is a new one to me. I guess it's been a while since a Witness\n|> >> > bothered with me. Are they implying that Satan is omniscient? You\n|> >> > might try tricking them into saying that Satan is 'all-knowing' and\n|> >> > then use that statement to show them how their beliefs are\n|> >> > self-contradictary. \n|> >> \n|> >> No, Satan is not omniscient, but he does hold dominion over the earth\n|> >> according to Christian theology (note, not to be confused with JW's\n|> >> theology). \n|> >> \n|> > \n|> > What are the standard theologies on who/what created Satan,\n|> > and why?\n|> > \n|> \n|> Orthodox Christian theology states that God created Lucifer (Satan)\n|> along with the other angels, presumably because He wanted beings to\n|> celebrate (glorify) existence and life (and thereby, God) along with\n|> Him. Actually the whys and wherefores of God's motivations for \n|> creating the angels are not a big issue within Christian theology.\n|> \n|> But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with\n|> the other angels free moral will. Lucifer was a high angel (perhaps\n|> the highest) with great authority. It seems that his greatness caused\n|> him to begin to take pride in himself and desire to be equal to or\n|> greater than God. He forgot his place as a created being. He exalted\n|> himself above God, and thereby evil and sin entered creation.\n\nActually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as \nGod commanded him to. Lucifer was devoted to God.\n\nOh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything\nmore than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too).\n\nI don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the best way\nto show the error in theology: if they think a supernatural entity\nkicked the first humans out of paradise because they bit into a\nfruit that gave them special powers...well, they might not respond\nwell to reason and logic. :^)\n\nBrian /-|-\\\n\n\n",
"From: neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale)\nSubject: Pioneer Laser player\nOrganization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science\nLines: 5\n\nI'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing\nand/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When\nI power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the\ndoor doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how\nto obtain documentation?\n",
'From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie\nLines: 66\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.164750.21913@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n>In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes:\n>> Well, it seems the "National Sales Tax" has gotten its very\n>\n>> own CNN news LOGO!\n>>\n>> Cool. That means we\'ll be seeing it often.\n>>\n>> Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this \n>> seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching \n>> time go by, being frustrated, I\'d be pretty DAMN MAD by \n>> now.\n>> \n>> I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who\n>> was saying that " Clinton didn\'t propose a NST ".\n>>\n>\n>Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue\n>persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year.\n>\n>However....\n>\n>Why don\'t the Republicans get their act together, and say they\n>will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible\n>(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they\n>have in Europe)\n>and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate\n>and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give\n>the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, \n\n The Republicans are, in general, fighting any tax increase.\nThere is also worry that a VAT would be far too easy to increase\nincrementally.\n\n (BTW, what is different between Canada\'s tax and most of\nEurope\'s that makes it "visible?")\n\n>and\n>force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax\n>rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could\n>be increased only via a national referendum.\n\n This would require a constitutional amendment, and Congress\nenjoys raising taxes too much to restrict themselves like that.\n(Besides, with the 2/3 majority necessary to pull that off you\'d \nhave a difficult time "forcing" anything like that.)\n\n>Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile...\n>shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get\n>health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate\n>all in one fell swoop.\n\n Primarily because it\'s a practical impossibility to "freeze"\ntax rates.\n\n However, this is something that bothers me. We\'re always talking\nabout "consumer confidence" and "consumer spending" as gauges for the\neconomy. If they really are important, wouldn\'t shifting taxes to\nconsumption provide a disincentive to spend money?\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\nlove me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n',
"From: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook)\nSubject: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G)\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cook.mdc.com\n\nAll of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year \nmoon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace \ndevelopment before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of \nSaint Louis venture to his financial backers.\n\nIf memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally \nreimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as \nFokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh \nultimately kept his total costs below that amount.\n\nBut I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to \nrealize that much more was at stake than $25,000.\n\nCould it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of \ntoday?\n\nLayne Cook\ncook@apt.mdc.com \nMcDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co.\n",
"From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)\nSubject: Re: Some Recent Observations by Hubble\nKeywords: HST, Pluto, Uranus\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <15APR199316461058@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:\n>Here are some recent observations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope:\n>\n> o Observations were made using the High Speed Photometer of the Planet\n> Uranus during an occultation by a faint star in Capricornus.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nWow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away!\n\n-- \n| Dick Pierce |\n| Loudspeaker and Software Consulting |\n| 17 Sartelle Street Pepperell, MA 01463 |\n| (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX) |\n",
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.183148.4802@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n\n>\tI think "house Jews," a reference to a person of Jewish\n>ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that\n>condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint.\n\nI believe that CPR is himself such a "house Jew".\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
"From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)\nSubject: Re: Teenage acne\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 57\n\npchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) writes:\n\n\n>My 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose. I\n>bought him Clearasil face wash and ointment. I think that is probably\n>enough, along with the usual good diet. However, he is on at me to\n>get some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a\n>doctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the\n>chemist's counter. I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say\n>either his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil\n>is OK. I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious. His\n>father was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate\n>into something disfiguring. But I know kids are senstitive about\n>their appearance. I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd\n>malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from\n>acne treatment. I want to help - but with appropriate treatment.\n\n>My son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp. Sort\n>of teenage cradle cap. Any pointers/advice on this? We have tried a\n>couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to\n>make the condition worse, not better.\n\n>Shall I bury the kid till he's 21 :)\n\n:) No...I was one of the lucky ones. Very little acne as a teenager. I\ndidn't have any luck with clearasil. Even though my skin gets oily it\nreally only gets miserable pimples when it's dry. \n\nFrequent lukewarm water rinses on the face might help. Getting the scalp\nthing under control might help (that could be as simple as submerging under\nthe bathwater till it's softened and washing it out). Taking a one a day\nvitamin/mineral might help. I've heard iodine causes trouble and that it \nis used in fast food restaurants to sterilize equipment which might be\nwhere the belief that greasy foods cause acne came from. I notice grease \non my face, not immediately removed will cause acne (even from eating\nmeat).\n\nKeeping hair rinse, mousse, dip, and spray off the face will help. Warm\nwater bath soaks or cloths on the face to soften the oil in the pores will\nhelp prevent blackheads. Body oil is hydrophilic, loves water and it\nsoftens and washes off when it has a chance. That's why hair goes limp with\noilyness. \n\nBecoming convinced that the best thing to do with\na whitehead is leave it alone will save him days of pimple misery. Any\nprying of black or whiteheads can cause infections, the red spots of\npimples. Usually a whitehead will break naturally in a day and there won't\nbe an infection afterwards.\n\nTell him that it's normal to have some pimples but the cosmetic industry\nmakes it's money off of selling people on the idea that they are an\nincredible defect to be hidden at any cost (even that of causing more pimples). \n\n\n-Jackie-\n\n\n",
'From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: The Nicene Creed (was Re: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY)\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 152\n\nMichael Bushnell writes;\n\n>The so-called Creed of Athanasius, however, has always been a Western\n>creed, and has always had the filioque. The Orthodox have said that\n>they accept all that it says, with the exception of the filioque, but\n>it is not "in use."\n\nWhich is exactly what I pointed out. (Though I was wrong about your use\nof the Creed, the 1913 Catholic Encylcopedia in which I read about it\nsaid the Orthodox do use the Creed minus the filioque. Apparently that\nhas changed.) The Athanasian Creed has always had the Filioque, the\nNicene - Constantinopolitan did not.\n\tOf course the Orthodox did not delete the Filioque from the Nicene\nCreed (it wasn\'t there to begin with), but they certainly did from the\nAthanasian Creed, which did have it from the beginning.\n\tI might point out that the whole problem started over the difference in\nways of explaining the generation of the Blessed Trinity, the East\nemphasizing the idea of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father\nthrough the Son, and the West using proceeding from the Father and the\nSon. In fact, some, such as Tertullian, used both formulations (see\nbelow)\n\n\t"Following, therefore, the form of these examples, I profess that I do\ncall God and His Word, - the Father and and His Son, - two. For the\nroot and the stem are two things, but conjoined; the fountain and the\nriver are two kinds, but indivisible; the sun and the ray are two forms,\nbut coherent ones. Anything which proceeds from another must\nnecessarily be a second to that from which it proceeds; but it is not on\nthat account separated from it. Where there is second, however, there\nare two; and where ther is third, there are three. The Spirit, then, is\nthird from God and the Son, just as the third from the root is the fruit\nof the stem, and third from the fountain is the stream from the river,\nand thrid from the sun is the apex of the ray."\n\t-Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 8, 5 (about 213 AD)\n\nand\n\n\t"I believe that the Spirit proceeds not otherwise than from the Father\nthrough the Son"\n\t-Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 4, 1 (about 213 AD)\n\nAnd as St. Thomas showed in his Summa Theologica Part 1, Question 36,\nArticles 2 and 3, there is no contradiction between the two methods of\ngeneration, and in fact, the two methods of reckoning the procession\nemphasize what St. Augustine, among others taught, that the Holy Spirit\nproceeds from the Father and the Son, but He proceeds from the Father in\na more preeminent way.\n\n\t"For whatever the Son has, He has from the Father, certainly He has it\nfrom the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him ... For the\nFather alone is not from another, for which reason He alone is called\nunbegotten, not, indeed, in the Scriptures, but in the practice of\ntheologians, and of those who employ such terms as they are able in a\nmatter so great. The Son, however, is born of the Father; and the Holy\nSpirit proceeds principally from the Father, and since the Father gives\nto the Son all that He has without any interval of time, the Holy Spirit\nproceeds jointly from both Father and Son. He would be called Son of\nthe Father and of the Son if, which is abhorent to everyone of sound\nmind, they had both begotten Him. The Spirit was not begotten by each,\nhowever, but proceeds from each and both."\n\t-St. Augustine of Hippo, The Trinity, 15, 26, 47 (400 to 416 AD)\n\nSo, in a sense, all of the formulations are correct (to the West at\nleast), because the Holy Spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, but\nin proceeding from the Son, the orgin of that procession is the\nprocession from the Father, so the Holy Spirit is proceeding from the\nFather through the Son, but as all that the Son has is from the Father,\nthe Holy Spirit can be said to proceed from the Father, without any\nmention of the Son being necessary.\n\tIn any case, I am happy to know that I follow in the beliefs of Pope\nSt. Leo I, St. Fulgence of Ruspe, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Pope St.\nDamsus I, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Ambrose\nof Milan, St. Hilary of Poitiers, Tertullian, and others among the\nFathers, who all have very quotable quotes supporting the Catholic\nposition, which I enunciated above.\n\tAs for the issue of the adoption of another Creed being forbidden, I\nwill point out that the Holy Fathers of Ephesus and Chalcedon both spoke\nof the Creed of Nicea in their statement forbidding anyone "to produce,\nwrite, or compose a confession of faith other than the one defined by\nthe Fathers of Nicea." That Creed is a different Creed than that of\nConstantinople, which is commonly called the Nicene Creed. Not of\ncourse in that they were condemning the adoption of the\nConstantinopolitan Creed, which is but an enlargement upon the Creed of\nNicea, but that they were condemning the impious opinions of Nestorious,\nwho had adopted a radically different Creed from the one used by the\nChurch, which among other things denied the procession of the Holy\nSpirit form the Son. Thus, the additions of the Constantinopolitan\nCreed were not thought to be in violation of this, and as the Council\nChalcedon also affirmed the doctrine of the procession of the Holy\nSpirit from the Son, which Nestorius denied, they could hardly have been\nagainst explaining in a fuller way the Creed, for they themselves\napproved of previous additions to it. And if the further explanations\nof the Creed made in Constantinople were not denigrating of the work\ndone by the Holy Fathers of Nicea or in any way heretical, it follows\nthat the Council of Toledo was fully able to add what was not disputed\nby the faithful to the Creed so as to combat the impieties of the Arians\nin Spain, because the filioque was not in dispute in the Church until\nmany years later under Photius and others. And that the filioque was\nnot disputed, I provide more quotes below.\n\n\t"Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to\nGod, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly\nclear that He is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding\nfrom it."\n\t-St. Cyril of Alexandria, The Treasury of the Holy and Consubstantial\nTrinity, Thesis 34, (423-425 AD)\n\n\t"The Holy Spirit is not of the Father only, or of the Son only, but he\nis the Spirit of the Father and the Son. For it is written: `If anyone\nloves the world, the Spirit of the Father is not in him\'; and again it\nis written: `If anyone, however, does not have the Spirit of Christ, he\nis none of His.\' When the Father and the Son are named in this way, the\nHoly Spirit is understood, of whom the Son himself says in the Gospel,\nthat the Holy Spirit `proceeds from the Father,\' and that `He shall\nreceive of mine and shall announce it to you.\'"\n\t-Pope St. Damasus I, The Decree of Damasus, 1 (382 AD)\n\n\t"The only-begotten Holy Spirit has neither the name of the Son nor the\nappelation of Father, but is called Holy Spirit, and is not foreign to\nthe Father. For the Only-begotten Himself calls Him: `the Spirit of the\nFather,\' and says of Him the `He proceeds from the Father,\' and `will\nreceive of mine,\' so that He is reckoned as not being foreign to the\nSon, but is of their same substance, of the same Godhead; He is Spirit\ndivine, ... of God, and He is God. For he is Spirit of God, Spirit of\nthe Father, and Spirit of the Son, not by some kind of synthesis, like\nsoul and body in us, but in the midst of Father and Son of the Father\nand of the Son, a third by appelation....\n\t"The Father always existed and the Son always existed, and the Spirit\nbreathes from the Father and the Son; and neither is the Son created nor\nis the Spirit created."\n\t-St. Epiphanius of Salamis (which is on Cyprus), The Man Well-Anchored,\n8 and 75 (374 AD)\n\n\t"Concerning the Holy Spirit, I ought not to remain silent, nor yet is\nit necessary to speak. Still, on account of those who do not know Him,\nit is not possible for me to be silent. However it is necessary to\nspeak of Him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the\nSon, His Sources."\n\t-St. Hilary of Poitiers, The Trintiy, 2, 29 (356 to 359 AD)\n\n\tThus, as I have pointed out before, Gaul, Spain, Italy, Africa, Egypt,\nPalastine, and the lands of the Greeks, all of Christnedom at that time,\nall have Fathers who can be cited to show that they confess the doctrine\nexpressed by the filioque. I suggest to those of the Orthodox Church\nthat they come up with some of the Fathers, besides St. John of Damascus\nwho all will admit denied the filioque, to support their views. It is\nnot enough to bring up the "proceeds from the Father" line of the Creed\nor the Gospel of John, for that says what we believe also. But it does\nnot say the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Son, only that He does\nproceed from the Father.\n\nAndy Byler\n',
'From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)\nSubject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.]\nOrganization: Intel Corporation\nLines: 44\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.intel.com\nOriginator: tmcconne@sedona\n\n\nIn article <C5K6ny.AzJ@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:\n> berry@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (Andrew Berry) writes:\n>\n> Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about\n> $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to\n> redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups\n> pertaining to Motif has been high.\n> \n> \n> >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial\n> >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using\n> >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using\n> >the Motif widget sets). \n> \n> \n> I can\'t see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif\n> by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the "free" UNIX\n> platforms, I can\'t see this causing major problems.\n\n Let me add another of my concerns: Yes, I can buy a port of Motif for "cheap",\nbut I cannot get the source for "cheap", hence I am limited to using whatever X\nlibraries the Motif port was compiled against (at least with older versions of\nMotif. I have been told that Motif 1.2 can be used with any X, but I have not\nseen it myself).\n\n Currently, I have X11R5 running on eight different unix platforms, of which\nonly three came with Motif. On those three, I am unable to use the X11R5\nlibraries to build Motif clients, because I get link errors between the\nvendor-supplied port of Motif and my X11R5. I anticipate having this same\nproblem when X11R6 becomes available.\n\n The result is that I cannot build Motif clients that rely on X11R5, since I do\nnot have Motif compiled under X11R5. True, I could buy another port of Motif,\nbut that sort of ruins the whole idea of "free", doesn\'t it?\n\n Cheers,\n\n Tom McConnell\n-- \n Tom McConnell | Internet: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com\n Intel, Corp. C3-91 | Phone: (602)-554-8229\n 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | The opinions expressed are my own. No one in \n Chandler, AZ 85226 | their right mind would claim them.\n',
"From: lau@aerospace.aero.org (David Lau)\nSubject: Re: Accelerating the MacPlus...;)\nNntp-Posting-Host: michigan.aero.org\nOrganization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA\nLines: 17\n\n Also, if someone would recommend another\n> accelerator for the MacPlus, I'd like to hear about it.\n> \n> Thanks for any time and effort you expend on this!\n> \n> Karl\n\nTry looking at the Brainstorm Accelerator for the Plus. I believe it is\nthe best solution because of the performance and price. Why spend $800\nupgrading a computer that is only worth $300 ????\n The brainstorm accelerator is around $225. It speeds up the internal\nclock speed to 16MHz. That may not seem like much but it also speeds up\nSCSI transfers. I think that feature is unique to brainstorm.\nCheck it out.\n\nDavid Lau\nlau@aerospace.aero.org\n",
'From: riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs)\nSubject: Re: hard times investments was: (no subject given)\nOrganization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD\nLines: 50\nNntp-Posting-Host: descartes.tec.army.mil\n\nIn article <1pkvcl$nu0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:\n>\n>In a previous article, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) says:\n>\n>>so much land, and in the long run, we have a zero sum game going. Someone,\n>>somewhere, is going to make a killing from nosediving real estate\n>>markets. The worst thing to do is panic. The best thing you can do is\n>>to ride out deflation to the end. It hurts, but you\'re better off \n>>than if you sell short and donate to someone else\'s inheritance.\n>\n>\n> Sad. Paradigm Shift is coming, chum.\n> Ride the WAVE!\n\n\tI don\'t believe in the "Wave Theory".\n\n>\n> " There\'s only so much land ". Oh, God, is this Mike Zimmer\'s\n> replacement?!\n\n\tMy mother-in-law, who grew up in Germany, doesn\'t believe in \nmoney at all. She started out as a real estate developer, and now raises\nhorses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock\nin my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible.\n\n>\n> Here, let me spell it out for you.\n>\n> Can you spell TWO TRILLION DOLLAR BANK BAILOUT?\n\n\tMaybe you\'d like to invest in some foreign currency.\n\n\tWhich one would you guess to come out on top ?\n\n\t(Sigh - speculators never learn.)\n\n\n\nBill R.\n\n--\n\n"The only proposals in the Senate that I "My opinions do not represent\nhave seen fit to mention are particularly those of my employer or\npraiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones. any government agency."\nIt seems to me that the historian\'s foremost - Bill Riggs\nduty is to ensure that virtue is remembered,\nand to deter evil words and deeds with the\nfear of posterity\'s damnation."\n- Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65\n',
'Subject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer\nFrom: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz\nOrganization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz\nLines: 3\n\nIn NZ apparently things like aftershave are also giving positive\nreadings\n\n',
'From: cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq)\nSubject: Ryam out for 2-5 weeks!!\nOrganization: University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 4\n\nNolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and\nis expected to miss 2-5 weeks. \n-- \n\n',
"From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu ()\nSubject: Wargames/magazines Forsale\nOrganization: University of California; Santa Cruz\nLines: 107\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu\n\n\nDiscounts! Please take\t$2.00 off each item over $10.00\n $1.00 off each item over $ 5.00\n\nHere is the list of magazines, including asking price:\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nStrategy & Tactics Magazine (All include unpunched games):\n===========================\n\nNEW (52 & 79-90 As mailed with games and all inclusions.)\n\nIssue:\tTitle:\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAsking:\n\n52\tOil War - American Intervention in The Persian Gulf\t35.00\n\n79\tBerlin '85 - The Enemy at the Gates\t\t\t20.00\n81\tTito - Partisan Army Yugoslavia, 1941-45\t\t20.00\n83\tKaiser's Battle - German Offensive March, 1918\t\t20.00\n84\tOperation Grenade - Rhineland Feb 23-Mar 5, 1945\t20.00\n89\tSicily - The Race to Messina Jul 10-Aug 17, 1943\t20.00\n90\tThe Battle of Monmouth - Colonies take Offensive 1778\t20.00\n\n----------End of an Era ---------------------------------------------\n\nNEW (113-127 As mailed with games and all inclusions in envelope.)\n\nIssue:\tTitle:\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAsking:\n\n113\tThe Battle of Abensberg (Magazine only)\t\t\t15.00\t\n115 Kanev - Russian Paratroops\t\t\t\t15.00\n116\tManchu - The Taiping Rebellion\t\t\t\t15.00\n117\tNorth German Plain - Modern Germany\t\t\t15.00\n118\tThe Tigers Are Burning - Camp. in the Ukraine '43-44\t15.00\n120\tNicararagua\t\t\t\t\t\t15.00\n122\tPegasus Bridge - The Beginning of D-Day\t\t\t15.00\n123\tCampaigns in the Valley\t\t\t\t\t15.00\n124\tFortress Stalingrad - Russian Winter Offensive '42-43\t15.00\n125\tThe Far Seas - German Cruiser Operations WWII\t\t15.00\n126\tBeirut 1982 - Arab Stalingrad\t\t\t\t15.00\n127\tRush for Glory - War with Mexico 1846-47\t\t15.00\n\n\nThe AH General Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue)\n=======================\n\nIssue\tTitle\t\t\t\tAsking Vol. #\n\n7-80 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 \t17/2\n11-80\tFortress Europa\t\t\t8.00 \t17/4\n1-81\tCircus Maximus\t\t\t8.00 \t17/5\n3-81\tStalingra\t\t\t8.00 \t17/6\n5-81\tBismark, Squad Leader Clinic \t8.00 \t18/1\n\n\nCampaign Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue)\n=================\n\nIssue\tTitle\t\t\t\tAsking\n\n97\tCrescendo of Doom\t\t 8.00\n101\tCross of Iron\t\t\t 8.00\n102\tCounterstroke at Inchon\t\t 8.00\n104\tSquad Leader Variant\t\t 8.00\n106\tGDW's 1941\t\t\t 8.00\n108 Battle for Leyte Gulf\t 8.00\n\nAll magazine prices include postage. ALL ISSUES ARE IN NEW OR LIKE-NEW \nCONDITION.\n \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nGames and Books:\n===============\n\nYaquinto Publications, Inc.:\n===========================\n\nAttack of the Mutants - Introductory Game\t\t\t$ 5.00\n(Unpunched, new.)\n\n---\n\nThe Complete Book of Wargames (out of print)\t\t\t$30.00\n--------------------------------------------\nAuthor: Jon Freeman\n(Part 1 Introduction 75 pages - \n\tincluding Ch. 4 Kassala: An Introductory Wargame)\n(Complete information on over 150 wargames as of 1980)\n[hardcover, 285 pages, large format]\n\n---\n\nShipping extra on books and games.\n\nPrefer money orders for payment, I'll allow personal checks to clear before\nshipping. \n\n\t\t\t\t\tLarry\n\n\nLarry McElhiney\n1385 7th Avenue #10\nSanta Cruz, CA 95062\n\n(408)426-5858 x 358 (w)\n(408)475-8027 (h)\n",
"From: bob@black.ox.ac.uk (Bob Douglas)\nSubject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?\nOrganization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U\nLines: 94\nOriginator: bob@black\n\nIn article <2406@hcrlgw92.crl.hitachi.co.jp> steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) writes:\n>In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes:\n>>Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ:\n>>\n>>Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is,\n>>center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it\n>>for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a \n>>straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some\n>>geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss?\n>>Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? \n>\n>Wouldn't this require a hyper-sphere. In 3-space, 4 points over specifies\n>a sphere as far as I can see. Unless that is you can prove that a point\n>exists in 3-space that is equi-distant from the 4 points, and this may not\n>necessarily happen.\n>\n>Correct me if I'm wrong (which I quite possibly am!)\n>\n>steve\n\nSorry!! :-)\n\nCall the four points A, B, C and D. Any three of them must be\nnon-collinear (otherwise all three could not lie on the surface\nof a sphere) and all four must not be coplaner (otherwise either\nthey cannot all lie on a sphere or they define an infinity of them).\n\nA, B and C define a circle. The perpendicular bisectors of AB, BC\nand CA meet in a point (P, say) which is the centre of this circle.\nThis circle must lie on the surface of the desired sphere.\n\nConsider the normal to the plane ABC passing through P. All points\non this normal are equidistant from A, B and C and its circle (in\nfact it is a diameter of the desired sphere). Take the plane\ncontaining this normal and D (if D lies on the normal any\nplane containing the normal will do); this plane is at right angles\nto the ABC one.\n\nLet E be the point (there are normally two of them) on the circumference\nof the ABC circle which lies in this plane. We need a point Q on the\nnormal such that EQ = DQ. But the intersection of the perpendicular\nbisector of ED and the normal is such a point (and it exists since D is\nnot in the plane ABC, and so ED is not at right angles to the normal).\n\n\nAlgorithm:\n\nIs the sphere well defined?\n (1) Check that A and B are not coincident (=> failure).\n (2) Find the line AB and check that C does not lie on it (=> failure).\n (3) Find the plane ABC and check that D does not lie in it (=> failure).\nYes. Find its centre.\n (1) Find the perpendicular bisectors of AB and AC.\n (2) Find their point of intersection (P).\n (3) Find the normal to the plane ABC passing through P (line N).\n (4) Find the plane containing N and D; find the point E on the\n\tABC circle in this plane (if D lies on N, take E as A).\n (4) Find the perpendicular bisector of ED (line L)\n (5) Find the point of intersection of N and L (Q).\nQ is the centre of the desired sphere\n\n\nPictures:\n\n(1) In the plane ABC\n\n\t\t\tA\n\n\n P\n \n B C\n\n(2) At right-angles to ABC, in the plane containing N and D\n\n\t\t\tE\n\n\n D\n\n line N\n --------------------P-------------Q---------------------------\n\n\nNumerically:\n\nIf ED << EP then Q will be very close to P (relative to the radius\nof the ABC circle) and subject to error. It's best to choose D so\nthat the least of AD, BD and CD is larger than for any other choice.\n-- \nBob Douglas Computing Services, University of Oxford\nInternet: bob@oxford.ac.uk\nAddress: 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN, UK\nTelephone: +44-865-273211\n",
"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar)\nSubject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 28\n\nskok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes:\n\n>In article <C5nq9C.LLp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes:\n>[... stuff deleted]\n>>\n>>Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean,\n>>who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this\n>>memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz.\n>>\n>[more stuff deleted...]\n\n>How do you calculate that figure? I'd assume even in personal computers\n>the board designers would use bank switching to (optimistically) \n>quadruple the access speed or am I missing something here?\n\nThe previous article referred to the fact that you could only use 20ns SIMMs in\na 50MHz machine, but that you could use 80ns SIMMs in slower machines. I just\npointed out that if you could only use 20ns SIMMs in a 50MHz machine, you can't\nuse 80ns SIMMs in anything faster than a 12.5 MHz machine. Bank switching and\ncaches were not considered in either example (although both would help memory\naccess).\n\n>HSK\n-- \nRavikumar Venkateswar\nrvenkate@uiuc.edu\n\nA pun is a no' blessed form of whit.\n",
'Organization: University of Maine System\nFrom: Merv <IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>\nSubject: EGA/VGA Monitor&Card wanted\nLines: 9\n\nAs it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card\ncombo that is in working condition.\nThe only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card.\n\nE-Mail all offers to:\nIO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU\n\nThanks.\n-Merv\n',
'From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nArticle-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.194913.29264\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes:\n}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,\n}and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna\n\nNext time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait.\n120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff\nrevs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right\naround the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits\n110 DB if they have any standard at all.\n\n-- \nCurtis Jackson\t cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com\t\'91 Hawk GT\t\'81 Maxim 650\nDoD#0721 KotB \'91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" \'92 Collie/Golden "George"\n"There is no justification for taking away individuals\' freedom\n in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson\n',
'From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Americans and Evolution\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 30\n\nRobert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote:\n\n: > Sure it isn\'t mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases\n: > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the \n: > atheist\'s pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same \n: > quantity in the theist\'s pitch. This is because the `divine component\' \n: > falls prey to Ockham\'s Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily \n: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n: > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any \n: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n: > such component. More detail in the next post.\n: > \n\nOccam\'s Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an\nargument, even so, it interesting how often it\'s cited here and to\nwhat end. \nIt seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being\nprimitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and\nchildish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam\'s\nrazor), the scientific explanation of things being much more\nstraightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which\nis the "non-essential", and how do you know?\nConsidering that even scientists don\'t fully comprehend science due to\nits complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a\nlobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ...\n\nThis is all very confusing, I\'m sure one of you will straighten me out\ntough.\n\nBill\n',
"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: As today marks the 78th anniversary of the Turkish Genocide...\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 65\n\nIn article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes:\n\n>or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see \n>it happen again...\n\nIs this the joke of the month? \n\n1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people\nbetween 1914 and 1920.\n\n2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the\nEuropean Jewry during WWII.\n\n3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children\nand elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last \nfour years.\n\nThe entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the \nGenocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. \n\nFor nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people \nlived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the \noppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions\nculminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried \nout a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks \nand Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their \nhomeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands \nwere empty of Turks and Kurds. \n\nThe survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and \nKurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated \nby its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against \nhumanity.\n\nx-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide \nagainst the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations \nto the Turks and Kurds.\n\nTurks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine \ntheir own future as a nation in their own homeland.\n\nDuring the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the\nunity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish\nand Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle\nfor that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds.\n\nToday, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United \nStates and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative \nEvents, be they cultural, political or religious.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n",
"From: sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de (Stefan Reck)\nSubject: Re: Adaptec ACB-2322: what is it?\nDistribution: world \nOrganization: REBOX's Host, Berlin, Germany\nLines: 14\nX-Newsreader: NWREADER [version 3.02]\n\nwright@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Ted Wright) writes:\n>\n> An Adaptec ACB-2322 rev B disk controller has come into my hands with\n> no documentation. Is this an ESDI controller? MFM? RLL? Something else?\n> The BIOS on it is dated 1987, if that is any help.\n\nI think it is an ESDI controller if you need the doco i can help you.\n\n Stefan\n\n--\nStefan Reck | INET : sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de\nBerlin |---------------------------------------------------------------\nGermany | that's all\n",
"From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)\nSubject: SHADOW Optical Raytracing Package?\nReply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk\nOrganization: SERC Daresbury Laboratory, UK\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dlsg.dl.ac.uk\n\nHi Everyone ::\n\nI am looking for some software called SHADOW as \nfar as I know its a simple raytracer used in\nthe visualization of synchrotron beam lines.\nNow we have an old version of the program here\n,but unfortunately we don't have any documentation\nif anyone knows where I can get some docs, or\nmaybe a newer version of the program or even \nanother program that does the same sort of thing\nI would love to hear from you.\n\nPS I think SHADOW was written by a F Cerrina?\n\nAnyone any ideas?\n\nThanks -Gary- SERC Daresbury Lab.\n",
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: The Evidence\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <115298@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:\n> BK:\n# ##So tell me---what\'s immoral about homosexuality?\n# \n# CC:\n# #The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it.\n# \n# Hmmm.\n# \n# I\'ve told you more than once that I\'ve been monogamous for almost 4 years\n# now, and that I really don\'t get into fetishes.\n\nThen you are nearly the only homosexual who is. I don\'t believe you.\nYou\'ve changed your story before.\n\n# Yet you maintain my homosexual activity is still immoral.\n# \n# Care to elaborate?\n# \n# For that matter, explain why fetishes are immoral?\n# \n# kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University,\n\nThe fact that your fetish is more important than who you are making\nlove to. (Actually, in your case, "having sex with.")\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
'From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley\nLines: 40\nNNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <C5Lrpq.50o@idacom.hp.com> guy@idacom.hp.com (Guy M. Trotter) writes:\n>\n>Hi,\n>\n>In Canada, any gun that enters a National Park must be sealed (I think it\'s a\n>small metal tag that\'s placed over the trigger). The net result of this is\n>that you _can\'t_ use a gun to protect yourself from bears (or psychos) in the\n>National Parks. Instead, one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances\n>of hiking in bear country, and take the appropriate precautions.\n>\n>I think this policy makes the users of the National Parks feel a little closer\n>to Nature, that they are a part of Nature and, as such, have to deal with\n>nature on it\'s own terms.\n>\n>Guy\n\nHello,\n\n\tI understand this philosophy. The bears are a national\ntreasure, the area is their sanctuary and people who enter it\ndo so at their own risk. It is better that that rare human be\nkilled by a bear than that bears be provoked or shot by unbear-savvy\nvisitors. The bears aren\'t having a population explosion, humans\nare so it is better that a human be killed than endanger the bears.\nI don\'t agree with this philosopy, but I understand it.\n\n\tThe psychos are a bit different. They are not a national\ntreasure but I suppose the decision has been made that to "allow"\nprovision for defense against them would also "allow" provision\nfor defense against bears. Again, I suppose it has been decided\nthat it is better for the rare human to be killed by a psycho than\nto take a chance on threatening the bears.\n\n\tPersonally, I wouldn\'t go into an area where I would be\n"managed" so as to reduce my safety ..... but ... come to think\nof it I guess I live in a managed wilderness myself :-)\n\nJoan V \n\n\n',
'From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <16BB1B92B.DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext> DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes:\n>You think that you all have it bad....here at good ol\' Southwest Missouri\n>State U., we have 2 parties running for student body president. There\'s the\n>token sorority/fraternity faces, and then there\'s the president and vice\n>president of NORML. They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing\n>their qualifications as,"I listen really well." It makes me sick to have\n>a party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like\n>they are. I think I\'ll run next year.:(\n\nWell, a student body president can\'t exactly campaign on the stand\nthat he\'s "tough on crime". Their job is to listen to what people want\nand fund things that make sense.\n\nCondoms and marijuana aren\'t exactly the worst things to have available\neither...\n\n don\n',
'From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)\nSubject: Re: Happy Easter!\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 37\n\nNick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:\n: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:\n\nJonathan Quist bemoaned:\n\n: : |> Yes, it\'s a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes \nof A.M.,\n: : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It\'s outright sacrilege for RR to have \nnon-British\n: : |> ownership. It\'s a fundamental thing\n\nLotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren\'t happy that the Elan was \nlate and too pricey. If they can write off the Elan development costs the may \nbe able to sell them for a sensible price.\n\n\n: : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it\n: : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not\n: : the name.\n\n: : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch\n\n: I don\'t believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It\'s a seperate\n: company from the RR Aero-Engine company. \n\nIt\'s Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. \n\nAnd yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.\n\nOb Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail \naddress so we can bung him on the Ogri list?\n\ndave\n--\nDavid Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk\nQueen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000\n"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."\n',
'From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA\nLines: 48\n\t<C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> <C5x3L0.3r8@athena.cs.uga.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu\'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT\n\nIn article <C5x3L0.3r8@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n\n Newsgroups: sci.med\n Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!athena!aisun3.ai.uga.edu!mcovingt\n From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\n Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu\n Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\n Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\n References: <PAULSON.93Apr19081647@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <116305@bu.edu> <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us>\n Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT\n Lines: 27\n\n In article <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n >In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:\n >>\n >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the\n >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains\n >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might\n >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.\n >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I\'d be interested.\n >\n >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into\n >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures\n >why attending a "corn festival". We pumped her stomach and obtained\n >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. \n >After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as\n >"acute corn intoxication."\n >----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n >Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\n\n How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin???\n\n\n\n -- \n :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****\n :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********\n :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *\n :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><\n\nWhat is aflatoxin?\n\nSharon\n--\nSharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov\nNASA Langley Research Center\nBldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241\nHampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362\n',
"From: betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts)\nSubject: Where to find CHEAP LCD displays?\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 32\n\nSci.E(E) netters:\n\nI am setting out to build and market a small electronic device that \nrequires an LCD display. All of the analog electronics are working \nfine, I have ordered a PIC ICE (not vice versa) since the PICs are so \ncheap and low-power, but I am having a devil of a time finding any \nLCD displays in the 6-8 digit range that are priced as low as I need. I \nam looking for somthing in the range of $1 in quantities of about \n1000-10,000.\n\nMainstream distributors like Almac cannot help me without a part \nnumber, or when they do look around for something in their line \nthey find a $15 8-digit LCD. Even Digikey's cheapest offering is $5 in \nquantity.\n\nI know LCD displays like this must exist because I see whole \ncalculators for sale for $4.99, meaning the retailer probably buys it \nfor $3.50 and the wholesaler probably gets it for $2.50 or so. This \n$2.50 includes assembly labor, packaging, sales, transportation, \nimport duties, the case and keyboard, the PC Board, the processor \nchip, the solar cell --- and the LCD. The LCD can't cost much.\n\nIf anyone could put me in touch with some manufacturers and/or \ndistributors that handle such things I would be much obliged.\n\n-Joe Betts\nbetts@netcom.com\n\n\nP.S. I have tried tearing apart several cheap consumer devices that \nhave LCDs only to find that the LCDs are unlabelled. Has anyone else \nhad better luck with this strategy?\n",
'From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson)\nSubject: Re: Atheists and Hell\nReply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu\nOrganization: not Sun Microsystems\nLines: 38\n\nIn article 29279@athos.rutgers.edu, atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n\n> I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the \n>newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. \n>Unfortunately I don\'t have direct quotes handy...\n\n>1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.\n\n>2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death\n> is unfair.\n\n> I don\'t see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, \n>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die.\n\nThis is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is\nindeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor\nunfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made\nmostly of carbon and water is "fair".\n\nHowever, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about\nthe fire and brimstone place of endless suffering, which necessarily\nincludes eternal existance (life, I dunno, but some sort of continuation);\nnot at all the same thing.\n\nGranted, you clearly feel that hell=death, but this is not a univeral\nsentiment as near as I can tell.\n\nIf *your* idea of God "condemns" heathens to ordinary death, I have no\nproblem with that. I do have a problem with the gods that hide from humans\nand torture the unbelievers eternally for not guessing right.\n\n[deletia- Hell, and Literalness.]\n\n---\n\t\t\t- Dan Johnson\nAnd God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0\n\nThese opinions probably show what I know.\n',
'From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)\nSubject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR\nSummary: Tucson Area, moving to Bay Area\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 24\n\nHi boys and girls. I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that \nI am a grad student. I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my \nZephyr too.\n\nIf I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in\na couple of weeks. Otherwise I\'ll tag and insure it and see what happens.\n\nIt\'s a very sweet bike. 6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer,\nplus some great rides between here and the Border. Purchased new exactly\none year ago (Apr \'92), it\'s a \'90 model. It has a good fairing and a\nluggage rack. Red; very clean. Perfect maintenance, no bullshit. I\'ll spare\nany further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody\n5\'7" +/- 5" will fit it like a charm. Not a bike for big people, but not a\nsmall bike. Standard, upright positioning and good-looking. Smooth power,\ngreat brakes, good Karma.\n\n\t\t\t\t- Erik\n\n/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\\\n| |\n| DoD# 88888 asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu |\n| \'90 Kawi 550 Zephyr (Erik Asphaug) |\n| \'86 BMW R80GS |\n\\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/\n',
'From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: WANTED: The Nine-Mile Walk\nOrganization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nDistribution: misc.forsale\nLines: 31\n\n[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ]\n[ Author was Mark Wilson ]\n[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ]\n\nI am looking for the following book, which I have\nonly seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone,\nand forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY\nindeterminate!). I am looking for one OR two copies!\n\nTitle: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories\n (unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle)\nAuthor: Harry Kemelman (author of all the "Rabbi" mysteries)\n\nIt\'s a collection of short mystery stories. Please email\nmark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below.\nThanks!\n\n- Mark\n--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215\n(Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....)\nThis file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it!\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215\n(Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....)\nThis file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it!\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 19\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> I am not a Christian, however I suspect that all flavours of \n> Christianity hold that (a) objective morality exists and (b) their\n> particular interpretation of scripture/revelation/TV is a goodly glimpse\n> of it. That they may all disagree about (b) says nothing about the truth \n> or falsehood of (a).\n\nActually, they generally claim that (b) their particular interpretation of\nscripture/revelation *is* this objective morality. That there are two\nconflicting versions of this objective morality does tell us something about\n(a). It tells us at least one fake objective morality exists.\n\nThe next logical step is to deduce that any given religion's objective\nmorality could be the fake one. So caveat emptor.\n\n\nmathew\n-- \nAtheism: Anti-virus software for the mind.\n",
"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)\nSubject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found?\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario, London\nDistribution: sci\nNntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <STEINLY.93Apr23130246@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:\n>In article <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) writes:\n>\n> In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:\n> >\tIf the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next\n> >one should be called 'Smiley'.\n>\n> Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt\n> object discovered last year, is known as Smiley.\n>\n>As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was\n>Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course,\n>but I think they might let this one slide...\n\n\tGee, I feel so ignorant now...\n\n\tResearch, then post.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJames Nicoll\n\n",
"From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book)\nSubject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games\nOrganization: UC San Diego Chemistry\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu\n\n\nThanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo\nsound.\n\nToo bad some developers aren't addressing the problem.\n\nThis did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced\nit with in one way though! :)\n\n\nThanks,\n\nDoug\n",
"From: dingman+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Dingman)\nSubject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem\nNntp-Posting-Host: pie9.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.001127.4928@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) writes:\n>\n>The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are\n>backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in\n>effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two\n>modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables &\n>all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order\n>directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and\n>they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty...\n>\n\nHmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the\nwarranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near\nCleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-))\nand a lifetime warranty. The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne,\nand every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T \npart numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the \nCompuServe intro kit.\n\n>-- \n>Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department\n>behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!)\n\nIf anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777. I ordered mine\nlast Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from\nCleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-) On the down side they only ship UPS COD.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t- Chris\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Christopher P. Dingman |\n| Electrical and Computer Eng. Dept. dingman@ece.cmu.edu |\n| Carnegie Mellon University (412) 268-7119 |\n| 5000 Forbes Ave |\n| Pittsburgh, PA 15213 |\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n",
"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5I6JG.BM1@eis.calstate.edu> mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:\n>pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes:\n>\n>\n>Peter,\n>\n>I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing\n>to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by\n>yourself?\n>\n>-marc \n>--\n\nHey tough guy, read the topic. That's the message. Get a brain. Go to \na real school.\n\n\n\n",
'From: carlj@mugwump (Carl Johnson)\nSubject: xterm and default text cursor color\nReply-To: carlj@cyclone.bt.co.uk\nOrganization: British Telecom Research Labs\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mugwump.muppet.bt.co.uk\n\nWhat I want to be able to do is to set the cursor\ncolor to the same as the forground color that is set\nfor that xterm.\n\nFrom the man page.....\n\n-cr color\n This option specifies the color to use for text cur-\n sor. The default is to use the same foreground <---\n color that is used for text. <---\n\nHowever this doesnt seem to be the case, it appears to default to black\nor to whatever XTerm*cursorColor is set to.\n\nFeel free to point me at the relevant FM or whatever,\nCheers,\nC\n',
'From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder)\nSubject: Bware of JayHayes/Deleware\nOrganization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada\nLines: 10\n\nHad a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with\nthis guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware\nand I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case\nany on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return\nemail and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis\nroomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net\nprivilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.\n\nDA\n\n',
'From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine)\nSubject: subscribe\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 1\nTo: expert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\tsubscribe grape@nswses.navy.mil\n',
'From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nSubject: Re: Immotile Cilia Syndrome\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19423\nReply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Mar26.213522.26224@ncsu.edu> andrea@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrea M Free-Kwiatkowski) writes:\n>I would like to know if there is any new information out there about the\n>subject or any new studies being conducted. I am confident in my\n>pediatrician and her communication with the people in Chapel Hill, but\n>since this is a life-long disorder and genetically transferred I would\n>like keep current. I do realize that since this is a relatively new\n>disorder (first documented in 1974 in a fertility clinic in Scandanavia)\n>and is therefore "controversial".\n\nI do not know a lot about this, except from seeing one patient with\n"Kartagener\'s syndrome", which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome\nin which there is situs inversus, bronchiectasis, and chronic\ninfections. "Situs inversus" means that organs are on the wrong\nside of the body, and can be complete or partial. It is interesting\nmedically because the normal location of organs is caused in part\nby the "normal" rotation associated with ciliary motion, so that in\nabsence of this, laterality can be "random." People with situs\ninversus are quite popular at medical schools, because of their\nrarity, and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they\ncan\'t find the patient\'s heart sounds (because they\'re on the wrong\nside). \n\nAccording to Harrison\'s, immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal\nrecessive, which should imply that on average one child in four\nin a family would be affected. But there may be much more current\ninformation on this, and as usual in medicine, we may be talking\nabout more than one conditiion. I would suggest that you ask your\npediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist, of\nwhich there is probably one at NCSU.\n\n-km\n',
"From: hsieh@ipld04.hac.com (Julia Hsieh)\nSubject: How to reach Micron\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\n\nDoes anyone know how to reach Micron? I am interested in getting some\nspecifics about what types of monitors work with their Micron Xceed\ncard for the se/30. either e-mail or phone number would be prefered.\nOr if you have the answers to my questions, i'd appreciate a reply.\n\nThanks.\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------\njulia hsieh My opinions are not intended to reflect\nhsieh@ipld01.hac.com those of Hughes Aircraft Company.\n----------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: hooper@ccs.QueensU.CA (Andy Hooper)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: Queen's University, Kingston\nDistribution: na\nLines: 3\n\nIsn't Clipper a trademark of Fairchild Semiconductor?\n\nAndy Hooper\n",
'From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)\nSubject: Re: ABC coverage\nReply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)\nOrganization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.\nDistribution: usa\n\n\nIn article <9454@blue.cis.pitt.edu> ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes:\n> Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN\'s hockey coverage (or is it just\n>Pittsburgher\'s who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you\n>who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the \n>production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even \n>reaped any $ made...\n\nIn the interests of saving badnwidth during this "heated" time of the\nyear (viz. the early flurry of "retard" comments coming from a certain\nstate whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don\'t you tell us\nsomething we don\'t already know?\n\nGeorge\n-- \nGeorge Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu\nDept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson\nUniversity of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527\nRochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018\n',
"From: davidj@rahul.net (David Josephson)\nSubject: Re: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nOrganization: a2i network\nLines: 26\n\nIn <C5JJJ2.1tF@cmcl2.nyu.edu> ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) writes:\n\n>I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics, large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone. I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts. \n\n>Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it.\n\n\n>---\n>A l a n M a c a l u s o\t\t \tPURPLE MOON GIANTS\n>ali@cns.nyu.edu \t\t\t\t158 E. 7th. St. #B5\n>(212) 998-7837\t\t\t\t\tNYC 10009\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t(212) 982-6630\n\n>\t\t\n\n\nWithout doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the\nBurr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this\nchip as a phantom power mic pre.\n\n>\t \n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJosephson Engineering, San Jose California MICROPHONES\nTel/ 408-238-6062 Fax/ 408-238-6022 INSTRUMENTATION\nemail:david@josephson.com ftp info from: rahul.net /pub/davidj/\n",
"From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY)\nSubject: Re: Memory Slot Problem\nOrganization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1qiijs$t27@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ralf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ralph Valentino) writes:\n> I finally decided to upgrade my 486-33 EISA's memory from 8 Meg to 16\n> Meg - two months after the parts warranty ran out on the (Anigma)\n> motherboard - two months too late. It seems there's a problem with\n> one or both of the two 1M/2Mx36bit sim slots in bank B. On boot I get\n> a pattern test failure at address 0xa00000 and the system deconfigures\n> the top 6 Meg. The sims are good, I tried rotating all of them into\n> bank A. On one of the configurations, however, the pattern test\n... deletions...\n> failed at 0x800000. In all tests, the pattern that appeared was the\n same as the pattern if no sim was in place. This leads me to believe\n> the one or two of the connector address pins are at fault and, with a\n> lot of luck, might be patchable.\n\n> \n> -Ralph\n> ===============\n> Ralph Valentino (ralf@chpc.org) (ralf@wpi.wpi.edu)\n> Hardware Engineer, Worcester Polytechnic Institute\n> Center for High Performance Computing, Marlborough MA\n\nMany motherboards have jumpers to enable/disable the memory banks. Did you \ncheck that out?\n\n\t\t\tAllen mulvey\n\t\t\tmulvey@blurt.oswego.edu\n",
"From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC)\nSubject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: SunConnect\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com\nKeywords: Nuclear\n\nIn article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes:\n> \n> \n> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\n> this board would be most appropriate.\n> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\n> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\n> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\n> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\n\nWater. Nuclear stations don't generate electricity directly from the\nreactor, they use the reactor to generate heat. The heat is then used to\nheat water just as in a conventional oil or coal station, and the\nresultant steam drives the turbines.\n\nThe cooling towers are used to cool the steam and recondense it into water\nto continue the cycle\n\nSteve\n\n-- \nSteve McKinty\nSun Microsystems ICNC\n38240 Meylan, France\nemail: smckinty@france.sun.com\t BIX: smckinty\n",
'From: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))\nSubject: Re: Advise needed in buying Automobile\nReply-To: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 20\n\n\nFrom: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)\nSubject: Advise needed in buying Automobile\n\n >I am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase. Below\n >are its requirements:\n >\t5. V6 or above\n\n Most of the cars you mentioned are below (smaller than) V6 engine.\n\n Tony\n--\n\n +--------------------------------------+\n | Name: Antonio L. Balsamo |\n |Company: Digital Equipment Corp. |\n | Shrewsbury, Mass. |\n | Work #: (508) 841-2039 |\n | E-mail: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com |\n +--------------------------------------+\n',
"From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel)\nSubject: Re: Travesty at the Joe Louis\nOrganization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.005512.3382@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:\n>(Detroit, April 19)\n>\n>In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings\n>scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en\n>route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. \n\nNot only that, but if I'm not mistaken Detroit scored 4 goals on their first\nfive shots on net...looks like Toronto's cream cheese run continues (or is\nthat swiss cheese? after watching Potvin I'm leaning towards the latter)\n\nBill \n",
'From: N.R.Ellis@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel R. Ellis)\nSubject: Keyboard map for UK type 5 keyboard under X11/R5?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ws-ai3.dur.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nReply-To: N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk\nOrganization: Computer Science, University of Durham, Durham, UK. DH1 3LE\nLines: 16\n\nHi,\n\ndoes anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under\nX11/R5 ?\n\nThanks,\n\nNigel.\n\n--\n============================================================================\n| Nigel R Ellis, Artificial Intelligence Group, | N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk |\n| Computer Science, University of Durham, | Phne: +44.91.374.2549 |\n| Durham. England DH1 3LE | Fax : +44.91.374.3741 |\n============================================================================\n\n',
'From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is \nOrganization: Who, me???\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:\n>[Followups set out of talk.abortion...]\n>\n>In article <C5Fuo2.FF8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:\n>>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact\n>>that Christianity has a code of objective morality?\n>\n>Please define this "objective morality".\n>\n>While you\'re at it, please state the theory of creationism.\n\nStill searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see.\nSlimy tactic.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t- Kevin\n',
"From: edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu (E.B.)\nSubject: POV problems with tga outputs\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu\n\nI can't fiqure this out. I have properly compiled pov on a unix machine\nrunning SunOS 4.1.3 The problem is that when I run the sample .pov files and\nuse the EXACT same parameters when compiling different .tga outputs. Some\nof the .tga's are okay, and other's are unrecognizable by any software.\n\nHelp!\ned\nedb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu\n\n",
"From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps)\nSubject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?\nOriginator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com\nReply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps)\nOrganization: IBM Kingston NY\nKeywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser\nLines: 27\n\n\nholland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n|> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets.\n|> Would those work very well in stopping an attack?\n|> \n|> \t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n Any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially\nlethal. Even blanks [which have no projectile] can cause death if the\nmuzzle is in close proximity to the victim. I have heard of rubber or\nplastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations [where the\nintent is crowd control, rather than close range self defense]; i've also\nseen reports of deaths caused by them [the British in Northern Ireland].\n Use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the\ngravest of situations; at that point, i consider deadly [lethal] force to \nbe a proper reaction [and so does the law]. \n Furthermore, use of less effective [but still potentially lethal] force\nhas its own set of problems. It may well take more applications of the\nless effective force to stop the incident; this places all parties at some\nrisk; the victim because the attack has not stopped, and the assailent \nsince the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be\nmore deadly.\n\n-- \nMichael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com ..\n (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy \n (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. \n",
'From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)\nSubject: Re: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line\nOrganization: Lost In Space\nLines: 32\n\nIn <1993Apr21.143250.14692@bmers145.bnr.ca> masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) writes:\n>I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently.\n>Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I\n>guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for\n>the current selection. If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get\n>an exact byte count.\n\n>Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it\'s truncating!\n>If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays \'532 bytes\'.\n>If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays \'23 bytes\', \n>not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes! If I select 893,352 it will report only\n>893 bytes in the selection. If I select over a Meg worth of files, say\n>3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes! It\'s as if it\'s got a problem with displaying\n>more than 3 characters!\n\n>My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1. I\'ve run\n>the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn\'t report anything.\n>Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting\n>of the status bar in the FileManger?\n\nIt sounds like something/one may have set the 1000\'s separator to "." in\nContol Panel (under International). This makes 23,482 look like 23.482\nand File Manager is chopping off what it thinks is the decimal part of\nthe file size. 3,356,345 becomes 3.356.345, and again, File Manager is\nconfused by the decimal points where there should be commas, chopping\noff everything to the right of the first period.\n\n-- \nTony DeBari FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us CI$: 73117,452\n UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd *P*: GHRW14B\n\na.k.a. Skip Bowler, captain of USENET Fantasy Bowling League Team 9.\n',
"From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: ogmore.cs.ucla.edu\nOrganization: UCLA, Computer Science Department\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n\n> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the\n> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton\n> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing,\n> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through).\n\nIt always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever\nadministration is current for things they couldn't possibly have\ninitiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already\nwe're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us.\nBullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were\nresponsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the\nnew presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and\nGore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay\nthe body at the proper door to start with.\n-- \n\tGeoff Kuenning\tgeoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu\tgeoff@ITcorp.com\n",
'From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)\nSubject: Re: MC SBI mixer\nArticle-I.D.: ssc.1993Apr21.183146.19241\nOrganization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA\nLines: 17\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\nMark J. Musone (musone@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:\n: HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related\n: subjects. I am currently learning about AM/FM receivers and recieving\n: circuits. \n: \n: P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED\n: ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot.\n: I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of\n: circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help.\n\nA pretty serious book that still seems readable is\n\nCommunication Receivers, Principes and Design\nby Rohde and Bucher.\n\n\nMark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com \n',
"From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das)\nSubject: Wanted sample source for editing controls\nOrganization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA\nLines: 18\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com\n\n\nHi Everyone,\n\nI would like to get an example program(source code) to get started with a simple\neditor (similar to windows dialog editor, but lot simplified) . Can someone\npoint me to a source such as a programming windows book, or example program\ncomes with Windows SDK (from Microsoft or Borland). I would greatly appreciate\nit.\n\nAll I want to do is to be able to place a edit control or combobox or a listbox\non a window and be able to drag and resize.\n\nIf anyone has written similar program and don't mind sharing code or ideas, \nI would appreciate it very much.\n\nThnx in advance, Manu Das\n\nPlease send me directly at manu@oas.olivetti.com\n",
'From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: National Institute of Standards & Technology\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <1qk7t5$dg@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n>ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:\n>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I\n>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n>>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??\n>\n>You make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn\'t. A lot of\n>pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to\n>make this kind of think a lot harder to do.\n>\n>I don\'t understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn\'t\n>figure out MOVE! (I\'m glad they bombed \'em) or the Waco Wackos either.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nI know that this isn\'t the group for it, but since you brought it up,\ndoes anyone have any idea why they haven\'t "bombed" the Waco cult? \n\nJust curious.\n\n\n>\n>(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)\n>\n>jim frost\n>jimf@centerline.com\n\n . \n / \nLarry __/ _______/_ \nkeys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \\ \n _____ __ _____ \\------- ===\n ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \\\n / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ |\n | / \\/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \\ / \n /___ \\_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO\n \\ / \\ / \n - 1990 2.0 16v -\n\n\n ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- \n The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates\n that you probably wouldn\'t understand anyway!\n ------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
'From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool)\nSubject: anybody have patched version of xroach for tvtwm???\nOrganization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 19\n\ni read about the code you can put in to most applications so that\nthe virtual desktop stuff in tvtwm doesn\'t confuse them (or is the\napplication confusing the virtual-ness? [chicken & the egg?]\n\nbut wanted to see if it has been applied to a version of xroach\n\ni never could quite get ssetroot to work either? any suggestions.\nluckily xv -root -quit does the trick for the most part\n\nalso, i\'ld be quite interested in hearing more about the icon region\nfor each virtual window under tvtwm that i read a thread on last week\nhere\n\tthanx,\n\t\tfish\n--\nJohn R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov\nNASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683 \n"So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it\'s sinking,\n racing around to come up behind you again." -rw/dg\n',
"From: karenb@westford.ccur.com (Karen Bircsak)\nSubject: lost in (TekHVC color) space\nArticle-I.D.: westford.1993Apr6.160748.3794\nOrganization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA\nLines: 33\n\n(please respond via email!)\n\nHas anybody actually seen the Tek color space stuff working? I'm not\nhaving any luck with either the xtici editor from export.lcs.mit.edu or with\nO'Reilly's ftp-able example xcms from ftp.uu.net.\n\nThe O'Reilly example fails for almost every set of inputs because\nXcmsTekHVCQueryMaxV returns a smaller value than XcmsTekHVCQueryMinV does\n(which makes no sense to me).\n\nThe xtici editor fails in XcmsStoreColors, apparently because the\nmathematical manipulations of the color specs results in invalid values. So\nyou can't actually edit any colors.\n\nWe have X11 R5 patch level 22; 8-bit pseudoColor visual. I've poked around \nin the xcms code in Xlib, but without some understanding of the theory I have \nno idea what's going wrong. Can somebody confirm if either of the \nabove-mentioned programs work on their systems, or let me know if they fail \nfor you too? Please include what hardware/software/patch levels you have.\n\nAny hints?\n\nPlease respond with email as I don't regularly read this group.\n\nThanks,\nKaren\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nKaren Bircsak\nConcurrent Computer Corporation\n\nkarenb@westford.ccur.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nLines: 15\n\nSender: \nReply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)\nDistribution: \nOrganization: /usr/ens/etc/organization\nKeywords: \n\n\n>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse\'s reins\n>left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here?\n\nUnless they have been taught to "neck rein". Then the left rein is brought\nto bear on the left side of horse\'s neck to go right.\n\nEquestrian counter steering?\n',
"From: cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla)\nSubject: Pixmaps and colormaps sent through selections...\nSummary: Selections and Pixmaps/Colormaps\nKeywords: Selections\nNntp-Posting-Host: morrison.wri.com\nOrganization: Wolfram Research, Inc.\nLines: 18\n\n\n\tI want to be able to send a Pixmap from one client to the next.\nAlong with this I want to send the Colormap and foreground and\nbackground pixel values. So far not a problem, I can do\nthis with no problem.\n\n However, once I have the Pixmap id and the Colormap id, how\ndo I go about telling the server that the second (receiving)\nclient now wants to have associations with the two id's?\n\n\tTIA,\n\n\tJohn\n--\no John L. Cwikla o o\no X Programmer o X was never the first o\no Wolfram Research, Inc. o letter of the alphabet o\no cwikla@wri.com (217) 398-0700 o o\n",
'From: davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain)\nSubject: Candida Albicans: what is it?\nOriginator: davpa@obel11\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of Linkoping\nLines: 11\n\n\nSomeone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, \na disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something\nto do with the body\'s production of yeast while at the same time being highly\nallergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it?\n\nThanks.\n-- \nDavid Partain | davpa@ida.liu.se\nIDA, University of Link\\"oping | work phone: +46 (013) 28 26 08\nS-581 83 Link\\"oping, Sweden | telefax: +46 (013) 28 26 66\n',
'From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)\nSubject: Re: sex education\nOrganization: Netcom\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.01.57.1993.3782@geneva.rutgers.edu> bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:\n>I\'d be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article!\n>On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link\n> abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy,\n> contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy\n>is false. The US, which I\'d guess has one of the largest proportion of \n>"non-liberal" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest\n>teenage pregnancy rates. (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.)\n\nI\'ve sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point\nout that "non-liberal education" (head in the sand) is not the same as\n"abstinence education".\n\nWe had "non-liberal education" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60\'s,\nwhich didn\'t do us a lot of good. But "abstinence education" regarding\ndrugs has proven effective, I think.\n\n-- \nJoe Kellett\njkellett@netcom.com\n',
'From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca\nSubject: Re: When are two people married in God\'s eyes?y\nOrganization: Laurentian University\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <Apr.24.01.08.03.1993.4202@geneva.rutgers.edu>, marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n\n> Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse...\n> At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock", He said\n> whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and \n> whatever you don\'t hold true won\'t be true in heaven.\n> \n> Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be\n> done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest,\n> the couple and witnesses. "Divorce" is not allowed. But anullments\n> are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope \n> (not sure if the Pope delegates this function).\n> \nMaybe I\'m a little tired but I can\'t seem to follow the logic here. If \nwhatever is held true on earth is held true in heaven how is it that a priest\n(RC only apparently) is required. \n\nIn fact if I read the next verse correctly (Matthew 18:19) I understand that\nfor a marriage to take place only two are required to agree on earth touching\none thing and it shall be done.\n\nTodd\n\n\n> -- \n> -------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris\'\n> marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |\n> The Lost Los Angelino |\n\n[Unfortunately I haven\'t been able to find any completely precise\nstatements about what is needed. (As usual, the current edition of\nthe Catholic Encyclopedia is frustratingly vague.) I do know that the\npriest is viewed as a witness, and thus in some sense would not be\nrequired. However part of the purpose of formal marriage is to avoid\nany ambiguity about who has and has not taken on the commitment. The\ncommunity provides support to marriage, and in cases of problems are\ninvolved in helping to make sure that the people carry out as much of\ntheir commitment as possible. Thus marriage must be a public\ncommitment. The presence of a priest is required for a regular\nmarriage. Where I\'m not clear is exactly where the boundaries are in\nexceptional cases ("valid but irregular"). Ne Temere (1907) says that\nno marriage involving a Catholic is valid without a priest (according\nto the Oxford Dictionary of the Church), and they imply that the new\ncanon law retains this, but I\'d rather see a more recent and\nauthoritative source. Note that while a Catholic priest is required\nfor Catholics, the Catholic church does recognize marriage between\nbaptized non-Catholics as valid without a priest. --clh]\n',
'From: fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams)\nSubject: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE )\nOanization: Mississippi State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 30\n\nmuellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:\n>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:\n>>>\n>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. \n>>\n>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........\n>\n>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s\n>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the \n>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.\n\nI do read Av Week and don\'t remember this. Could you supply the date\nof the magazine? As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can\'t carry as much\nbut has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which\nthere are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends\non whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now,\nI would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many \npeople are out of work. \n\n>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\n>a pork happy Congress.\n>\n>-- Marc Mueller\n\nHuh? Shouldn\'t that read "The question is whether a social-pork happy\nLes Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy\nCongress."\n\nfpa\n\n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nkmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n\n>>But chimps are almost human...\n>Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will?\n\nWell, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups\nas we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.\n\nkeith\n',
"From: mniederb@pws2.itr.ch (Niederberger Markus)\nSubject: Characterization of opamps\nOrganization: Interkantonales Technikum Rapperswil (ITR) Switzerland\nLines: 23\n\nHi,\n\nRight now I should do some characterization of opamps. Because I don't \nhave\nspecial equipment for this task, I have to do this job with relativly \nsimple\nequipments (Frequency sweeper, DSO, etc.). \nDoes anyone know good test circuitry for characterization of opamps? \nEspecially for measuring open-loop gain, phase margin, PSSR, CMMR and so \non.\nAre there any books or application notes on this subject available?\n\nPlease reply vi e-mail or nn.\n\nThanks\nMark\n\n__________________________________________________________________________ \n_____\nMark Niederberger\nE-mail: mniederb@itr.ch\n__________________________________________________________________________ \n_____\n",
'From: Doug_Akerman@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Doug Akerman)\nSubject: commodoree\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch\nLines: 15\n\nI have a wonderful Commodore 128 for sale!!!!\n Also included:\n 1571 disk drive\n color moniter\n power supply (great shape)\n software\n joysticks\n 2 300 baud modems (old, but useable)\n\n\ncontact doug (906) 487-0369 or (815) 623-6447\n\n\n-- Via DLG Pro v0.995\n\n',
"From: verity@jack.sns.com (Steve Verity)\nSubject: Need help with video detection circuit\nOrganization: Systems'n'Software\nLines: 55\n\n\n\nI am trying to build a circuit that detects the presence of video (Vs.\na blank screen) by monitoring the R,G, and B outputs of a graphics\ncard. It should be able to detect the presence of a single pixel at\n65 MHz, which would mean detecting a 15 NS pulse. It should also be\nable to tell the difference between a blank screen (about 300 mv)\nand a dim screen (say, around 310 mv). Oh yes, it also needs to be\ncheap. \n\nMy first circuit was a dismal failure. I used 3 compariators; each\ncompariator had the + input going to one of the guns, the - input\nwent to a reference created by a voltage divider(a potentiometer).\n\nThe first problem was that the compariator was way too slow.. I\nneeded to get several pixels in a row before it would fire the\ncompariators, so I could have a whole screen full of text, but my\ncircuit would not detect it. \n\nThe second problem is that there was more noise on the reference then\nthe smallest difference between a blank screen and a dim screen. In\nfact the difference between completely black and completely white is\nonly 650 mv. I am wondering if I am going to have to amplify the\nvideo signals to make this work. \n\nThere are faster compariators, but they are expensive, and require \nsplit supplies. I would need to replace my .49 quad compariator\nwith three 1.89 compariators, and create a whole new power supply\ncircuit. \n\nAt this point, I think what I need is some sort of transistor\ncircuit. Transistors are fast and cheap and should do the trick...\n\nUnfortunately, I am way out of my league when It comes to designing\ntransistor circuits, so I am appealing to the net for help. Any\nideas, tips, circuits, pointers, references, etc. would be greatly\nappreciated. \n\nOh yes, I only sample the output of this thing every second or so, so\nI don't need a fast response time at all, however, I haven't found a\nway to take advantage of that fact.\n\nThanks a lot for any help anybody might be able to give. Of course,\nyou will have my undying gratitude.\n\n\nSteve Verity\n\n\n\n\n-- \n..........>.........>........>......>...>...>..>..>..>..>.>.>.>>>>>>>>+ . \nSteve Verity + + ...Maxed on MIDI + .\n + verity@jack.sns.com + .. +\n",
'From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 2\n\nthis is a test\n \n',
'From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee)\nSubject: Scan Rate vs. Font Size\nSummary: Which is more important?\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nLines: 10\n\nThis past winter I found myself spending a ridiculous amout of time in front\nof my computer. Since my eyes were going berserk, I decided to shell out\nsome serious money to upgrade from a 14" to a 17" monitor. I\'m running\n800x600 at 72 Hz. My eyes are very grateful. However, I find myself using\na smaller font with less eye strain. Has anyone else had this kind of \nexperience? I thought that small fonts were the culprit but it seems that\nflicker was my real problem. Any comments?\n\nAlec Lee\nalee@cs.du.edu\n',
"From: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com\nSubject: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard Waltham Division\nReply-To: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com ()\nKeywords: WRITE-720\nLines: 10\n\nOK all you experts!\nNeed answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated\n720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not.\n\nNote: It 'll read 720's with no problem.\n\nPlease e_mail or post.\n\n\n\n",
"From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic)\nSubject: Draining battery\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs20.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: Carnegie Mellon University\nLines: 12\n\nI have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk.\nEvery week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike \nevery day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked \nthoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining\nsomewhere. \n\nDo you have any idea about what is causing this problem?\nPlease help since my mechanic and me are clueless!...\n\nLjubomir\n\n\n",
"From: games@max.u.washington.edu\nSubject: SSTO Senatorial (aide) breifing recollections.\nArticle-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.125512.1\nDistribution: world\nLines: 78\nNNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu\n\nThe following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly\nhad with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays. We were there to discuss SSTO, and\ncommercial space. This is how it went...\n\n\n\nAfter receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO,\nI called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty\nMurray, Washington State. I started asking for an hour, and when I heard\nthe gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1/2 an hour.\nLater in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes.\n\nWe got the standard bozo treatment. That is, we were called back by an aide,\nwho scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not\nbozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to \nmake sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material.\n\nWell, I got allocated 1/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking\nto him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening.\nWe covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific. \nMost of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer. There was another\nwoman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that\nwe brought up.\n\nBut, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate\naligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space.\nSo, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to\nLEO. Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming \nfeasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that.\nWe hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism\npaper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the\natmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog\nover L.A. We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is \nmore pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to \nunderstanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis. We hit the education \nwhereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that\nthey havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other\nfields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday \nwould provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed.\n\nWe hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business\nangle. We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal\ncommunicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc... Jobs provided\nin those sectors.\n\nJobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc..\nWe mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs.\n\nWe left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order\nto make this even easier to do. And he asked questions on this point.\n\nWe ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are\nproceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the\nresults from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan),\nand most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along\nthe lines of lowering the cost to LEO.\n\nIn the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data \nPurchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it.\nHe asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it,\nand contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually\nhappen immediatly there.\n\nThe last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we\nknew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they\ncould feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know\nthe answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who\nreally did know the answers.\n\nThen finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself. He\nsaid that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this\nwould be something that she would be very interested in, although they\ndo have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the\nstate 1 week out of 6 these days.\n\nAll in all we felt like we did a pretty good job.\n\n\t\t\tJohn.\n",
"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nLines: 19\n\nmathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n\n> bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes:\n> > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians\n> > buy Apple II's because of security concerns.\n\n> That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems\n> because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things!\n\nFunny, we had plenty of them in Bulgaria, regardless of the embargo...\n:-) So much for export controls...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n",
'From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()\nSubject: Re: RKBA on NYC radio station\nReply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com\nOrganization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.\nLines: 31\n\n|> Actually, the real reason that Stern was getting a bigger rating share was that\n|> he was new in D.C., not because of the quality (if you can call it that) of \n|> his show. After the Fine was issued he started to get better ratings because \n|> of the curious individuals who wanted to see how bad he actually was. Since\n|> he came to D.C. he has had a greater turn over of listeners than the "Grease"\n|> has. In other words, more people get sick of him sooner than they do of the\n|> "Grease". After all, saying vagina or penis on the air is hilarious at first, \n|> the second time it is still a little funny, but when you do it all the time, \n|> and at the same time, think you are the greatest man on the planet (and tell\n|> everyone so) than you are going to get old really quick. \n|> Give it up Mark you are WRONG.\n|> \nExcuse me, but if you really new what the show was about, you\'d know that he\ndoesn\'t just say vagina and penis and that is how he get\'s his ratings. He\nalso addresss real issues as well as being outrageous. I don\'t hear any of these\nother idiots doing a funny show and getting into some serious topics at the\nsame time, he get\'s people to think and entertains them at the same time, \nso try listening to his show a little closer before you tell them that they are\nWRONG, and by the way, if he is such a flash in the pan, why do his ratings sustain\nso well? Hmm?\n\n\n\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------\nGreg W. Lazar greg@puck.webo.dg.com\n\nJ-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS\n-----------------------------------------------\n\n',
"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg)\nSubject: podiatry School info?\nReply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet\nOrganization: University of Albany, SUNY\nLines: 21\n\nHello,\n\nI am planning on attending Podiatry School next year.\n\nI have narrowed my choices to the Pennsylvania College of Podiatric\nMedicine, in Philadelphia, or the California College of Podiatric\nMedicine in San Francisco. \n\nIf anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools, please\ntell me. I am having a hard time deciding which one to attend, and must\nmake a decision very soon. \n\nthank you, Larry\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nLive From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT...\n\nTonight's special guest:\nLawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany\naka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n",
'From: (Rashid)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179\nOrganization: NH\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,\ndarice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:\n> \n> >In article <C5C7Cn.5GB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:\nStuff deleted\n> >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly\n> >>come clean and to show their proof that Islamic Law punishes\n> >>apostacy with death or that it tolerates any similar form of\n> >>coversion of freedom of conscience.\n\nAll five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the\ndeath sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent,\nand aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise\nI agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief.\nThe Qur\'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of conscience. Public\nor private disavowal of Islam or conversion to another faith is not\npunishable (there are some jurists who have gone against this\ntrend and insisted that apostasy is punishable (even by death) - but\nhistorically they are the exception.\n\nCursing and Insulting the Prophets falls under the category of "Shatim".\n\n> \n> I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini\'s fatwa etc.\n>Lots of stuff deleted<\n> \n> And, according to the above analysis, it looks like Khomeini\'s offering\n> of a reward for Rushdie\'s death in fact constitutes a criminal act\n> according to Islamic law.\n\nPlease see my post under "Re: Yet more Rushdie (ISLAMIC LAW)".\n',
'From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nNntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 21\n\n\nTom Barrasso wore a great mask, one time, last season. He unveiled it\nat a game in Boston. \n\nIt was all black, with Pgh city scenes on it. The "Golden Triangle"\n(Pgh\'s downtown area where the 3 rivers meet) graced the top, along\nwith a steel mill on one side and the Civic Arena (I think) on the \nother. On the back of the helmet was the old Pens\' logo (the really\nfat little penguin with the blue scarf) the current (at the time) Pens\nlogo, and a space for the "new" (now current) logo.\n\nTommy had designed the mask, and his mother (an artist) painted it\nfor him. \n\nBut while wearing the mask, the Pens got thumped by the Bruins. The\nvery next game, Tommy was back to the old paint job. A great mask\ndone in by a goalie\'s superstition.\n\nLori\n\n\n',
'From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)\nSubject: Hercules Graphite?\nOrganization: Software Metrics Inc.\nLines: 11\n\n\nHas anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and\nSteve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I\'d love to get a\nreal-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support?\n\n(Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...)\n\n-- \n[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]\n[ "stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ]\n[ up. that\'s how the corrado makes you feel." -- car, january \'93 ]\n',
"From: win@athen.sto.mchp.sni.de (Andrea Winkler)\nSubject: X and Security / X Technical Conference\nOrganization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS \nLines: 31\n\n\nI had no possibility to join the\n\n 7th annual X Technical Conference \n January 18-20 1993\n Boston, MA\n\nNevertheless, I'm interested in information about the tutorials,\nexspecially about \n\n Tutorial ID: A-SECURITY\n Title: A Survey of X and Security\n\n Tutorial ID: F-ADMIN\n Title: X and the Administrator\n\nDoes anybody know, where I can get information (paper/mail) about these ?\n\nHas anybody information about Kerberos (escpecially in connection with \nX Display Manager xdm)?\n\nThanks,\n\nAndrea Winkler (Siemens Nixdorf Muenchen, Germany)\n\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \nS I E M E N S Andrea Winkler Internet: Andrea.Winkler@sto.mchp.sni.de\n------------- SNI STO XS 322 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 D-8000 Munich 83 \nN I X D O R F Phone:(089)636-41449 FAX: (089)636-42833\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \n",
'From: tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)\nSubject: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?)\nOrganization: ingr\nLines: 14\n\nChuck Petch writes:\n\n>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming\n>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days.\n>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think\n>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it\n>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is\n>drawing near. Look up!\n\nHow is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who \ncan legitimately prove their Levite bloodline?\n\nTodd Stevens\ntcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com\n',
"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 48\nNntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.130822.603@exu.ericsson.se> lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se writes:\n>In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:\n>>\n>>Michael Collingridge writes:\n>>\n>>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, \n>>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other \n>>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.\n>>\n>>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to\n>>Pittsburgh?\n>>\n>>Mom.\n>\n>Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he\n>was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain \n>of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark \n>Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New\n>York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to\n>Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne \n>(you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they \n>strip Wendel Clark of his captaincy in Toronto ?\n>\n\nBuffalo seems to have started a tradition of trading its captains.\n\nPat LaFontaine was awarded the Captaincy when Mike Ramsey was forced\nto give it up (Ramsey's now a Penguin). Ramsey inherited it from Mike\nFoligno (who's now a leaf). He in turn had inherited it from Lindy\nRuff, who went I forget where. Ruff had it from Perreault, who\nretired, so I guess that's where the streak started. Or did it?\nAfter all, Danny Gare was captain before him, and he went to Detroit.\nJim Scoenfeld, Gerry Meehan, and Floyd Smith are the others, in\nreverse order, last to first. I was a bit young at the time, so I'm\nnot sure of the fate of Schoenfeld, but he ultimately went to Detroit\nand Boston. Meehan went to Vancouver, Atlanta and Washington. Smith\nseems to have hung up his skates after Buffalo, but I don't know if\nthe captaincy was removed before or after that, or how many games he\nplayed for Buffalo. This is actually getting fascinating. :-)\n\nCaptaincy in Buffalo is a sure sign you're to be traded, almost,\nunless you're a franchise player.\n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\tBirtday -(n)- An event when friends get \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\ttogether, set your dessert on fire, then\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tlaugh and sing while you frantically try \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. \n",
'From: cbc5b@virginia.edu (Charles Campbell)\nSubject: Re: Was Jesus Black?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 21\n\n\n\tJesus was born a Jew. We have biblical accounts of\nboth his mother\'s ancestry and his father\'s, both tracing back\nto David. It seems reasonable to assume, therefore, that Jesus\nwas Semitic.\n\tAs an interesting aside, Jesus\' being semitic makes him\nneither "white" nor "black," and in some sense underscores the\npoint made earlier that his color was not important, it was his\nmessage, his grace, and his divinity that we should concentrate\non.\n\tFinally, I would direct anyone interested in African\ninvolvement in the church to the account of the conversion of\nthe Ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter 9 (I think it\'s chapter\n9). This is one of the earliest conversions, and the eunuch,\ntreasurer to the queen of the Ethiopians, was definitely\nAfrican. Because "Ethiopia" at that time indicated a region\njust south of Egypt, many also speculate that this man was not\nonly the first African Christian, but the first black Christian\nas well. \nGod bless,\nCharles Campbell\n',
'From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss)\nSubject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to...\nOrganization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.000021.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:\n>> [...] Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are\n>> not anybody\'s to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli\n>> situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group\n>> (I can\'t see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year\n>> moratorium on taxes.\n>> \n>> Tom Freebairn \n>\n>\n>Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US\n>Government? \n\nTom\'s right about this. It\'s only a grantable right if the granter has\nthe will and the ability to stop anyone from taking it away from you.\nNever mind the legal status.\n\n>Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?\n>The UN can\'t other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?\n\nNick\'s right about this. It\'s always easier to obtain forgiveness than\npermission. Not many people remember that Britain\'s King George III\nexpressly forbid his american subjects to cross the alleghany/appalachian\nmountains. Said subjects basically said, "Stop us if you can." He\ncouldn\'t.\n\n>If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will\n>stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? \n\nThat\'s how the USA started. Of course, that\'s also how the Bolivarian\nRepublic started (ca. 1800-1820) in central america. It didn\'t have\nquite the staying power of the USA. I\'m sure there are more examples of\ngoing far away and then ignoring authority, but none jump to mind right\nnow.\n\n>What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your\n>services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what\n>ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..\n\nOr do as some whaling nations do: define whatever activities you want to\ncarry out as "scientific research" which just coincidentally requires\nthe recovery of megatonnes of minerals (or whatever), then go at it.\n\n>Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can\'t for soem reason\n>or another, but who will give you a "home".. Such as Saudia Arabia or\n>whatever..\n\nLute Keyser had just this sort of arrangement with Libya (I think) in\nthe late \'70\'s for his commercial space launch project (one of the very\nearliest). It was killed by Soviet propaganda about NATO cruise\nmissiles in Africa, which made Libya renege on the arrangement.\n\n\nDoug Loss\n',
'From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray)\nSubject: quality of Catholic liturgy\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 20\n\nI appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query. One reply, which\nI have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one \nof which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan. By coincidence, last week\'s\n_America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles \nBourke, Corpus Christi\'s pastor emeritus. Fr. Bourke also directed the NT \ntranslation in the New American Bible. He noted "...certain practices have \nbeen introduced into the Mass in such a manner that an atmosphere of banality, \nand sometimes of hilarity, has trivialized the liturgy." I note that at my \nparents\' parish on Easter, helium filled balloons were distributed at the \noffertory, apparently to aid in understanding the word "risen". This was not a \nkiddie mass, either, but the well-attended 11:00 Mass.\n\nI wanted to note the generous spirit behind the replies. This newsgroup as a\nwhole offers generally moderate (perhaps because it\'s moderated) conversation\non topics that often lead people to extreme behavior (including myself).\nSometimes people do go over the top, but the remarkable thing is how that is\nthe exception, I think. Benefits of the doubt are generally granted. It seems\nso...Christian?\n\nJohn Murray\n',
'From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett)\nSubject: Re: Opel owners?\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 62\n\nIn <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n\n>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n\n>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:\n>>>>I\'m looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model?\n>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I\'m not entirely sure, but it\'s a two-seater,\n>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My\n>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,\n>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn\'t run\n>>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine\n>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and\n>>>>I am quite interested in it.\n>>>>Thanks!\n>>>>Darren Gibbons\n>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca\n>>>\t\n>>>\tThis would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid \'70\'s as the price leader????\n\n>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I\'d guess that this is on the same\n>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily\n>>be wrong. I think the later Kadett\'s were sold here as Buick Opels.\n\n>>Craig\n\n>\tI think the Manta is the European name for the "GT." I\'m pretty sure\n>that the only Kadett\'s sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the\n>GT is just an early \'70s to mid \'70s Manta. \n>-- \n>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********\n\nBzzt.\nThe manta was a two-door sedan in the US.\nIt had a 1900 engine.\nWas sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900.\nManta\'s are also ve hot and fun cars too.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n/-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-\\\n| |\\/| __ -=> mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu <=- (mliggett@iugold.bitnet |\n* | |/\\|| \'junk\' collector, toys R us kid, antiauthoritarian, and fan of *\n| frogs, iguanas, and other herps.\t\t\t\t\t |\n',
'From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Cobra Locks\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes:\n>I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing \n>a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock\n>(described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock\n>in the Chicago area?\n\n\tIt is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back\norder it from the manufacturer directly. Each one is made to order, at least\nif you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5\', I believe).\n\n>Any other feedback from someone who has used this?\n\n\tSee below\n\n>In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:\n>> \n>> Incidentally, the best lock I\'ve found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.\n>> It\'s a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.\n>> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints\n>> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).\n>> You can\'t get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder\n>> is well-protected. I wouldn\'t want to cut one of these without a torch\n>> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.\n\n\tI have a 6\' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she\ndoesn\'t get out much anymore, so I don\'t use the lock that often anymore). It\nis made of 3/4" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable.\nIt is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately,\nprofessionals can open it rather easily:\n\n\t1) Freeze a link.\n\n\t2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well).\n\n\t3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are\n\t\tfrightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters.\n\n\tFor the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is\nanywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded\nin a flexible covering to protect your bike\'s finish, and has a barrel-type\nlocking mechanism. I don\'t know if it\'s adjustable, but my source says it\'s\nmore difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat\nin bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).\n\n\tAll bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel.\nEven the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute.\n\n\tFYI, I\'ll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee\'s Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n',
'From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: The Escrow Database.\nOrganization: Partnership for an America Free Drug\nLines: 77\n\nHere is a disturbing thought.\n\nNow, we no longer live in the days of big filing cabinets. We live in\nthe electronic age. I asked myself, how big could the escrow database\nget? How hard might it be to steal the whole thing, particularly were\nI an NSA official operating with the tacit permission of the escrow\nhouses? (We can pretend that such will not happen, but thats naive.)\n\nWell, lets see. Ten bytes of each escrow half. Lets asume ten bytes of\nserial number -- in fact, I believe the serial number is smaller, but\nthis is an order of magnitude calculation. We assume 250*10^6 as the\npopulation, and that each person has a key. I get five gigabytes for\neach of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very\nvaluable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who\ncares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my\npocket on two 8mm tapes.\n\nAdmittely, they will think of safeguards. They won\'t put the whole\ndatabase on one disk, prehaps. Maybe they will throw stumbling blocks\nin the way. This changes nothing -- they keys will be needed every day\nby hundreds if not thousands of law enforcement types, so convenience\nwill dictate that the system permit quick electronic retrieval. At\nsome point, with or without collusion by the agencies, those exabyte\ntapes are going to get cut. Dorothy Denning and David Sternlight will\ndoubtless claim this can\'t happen -- but we know that "can\'t" is a\nprayer, not a word that in this instance connotes realism.\n\nWith two exabyte tapes in your pocket, you would hold the keys for\nevery person\'s conversations in the country in your hands. Yeah, you\nneed the "master key" two -- but thats just ten bytes of information\nthat have to be stored an awful lot of places.\n\nCome to think of it, even if the NSA getting a copy of the database\nisn\'t a threat to you because unlike me you have no contraversial\npolitical views, consider foreign intelligence services. You know, the\nones that David Sternlight wants to protect us from because of the\nevil industrial espionage that they do. The French apparently do have\na big spying operation in friendly countries to get industrial\nsecrets, so he isn\'t being completely irrational here (although why\nour companies couldn\'t use cryptosystems without back doors is left\nunexplained by those that point out this threat.) \n\nPresumably, foreign intelligence services can get moles into the NSA\nand other agencies. We have proof by example of this: its happened\nmany times. Presumably, someday they will get their hands on some\nfraction of the keys. You can\'t avoid that sort of thing.\n\nDon\'t pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on\nthe escrow databases.\n\nWe crypto types are all taught something very important at the\nbeginning of intro to cryptography -- security must depend on the\neasily changed key that you pick to run your system, and not on a\nsecret. The escrow databases aren\'t the sorts of secrets that our\nteachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they\nwould lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million\nClipper chips.\n\nI cannot believe that the NSA or whomever it is thats doing this\ndoesn\'t realize all this already. They are too smart. There are too\nmany of them who have made their bones in the real world. I suspect\nthat they know precisely what they are doing -- and that what they are\ndoing is giving us the appearance of safety so that they can continue\nto surveil in spite of the growth of strong cryptography. I suspect\nthat they realize that they can\'t put things off forever, but they can\ntry to delay things as long as possible.\n\nWho knows. Maybe even some of the higher ups, the inevitable\nbureaucratic types that rise in any organization, really do believe\nthat this scheme might give people some security, even as their\nsubordinates in Fort Meade wring their hands over the foolishness of\nit all.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n',
"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 8\n\nOf course, I'd still recommend that Michael read _True and Reasonable_\nby Douglas Jacoby.\n\nJoe Fisher\n\nOh, and Michael, I wait to see any dents in any armor and my faith\nhasn't wavered since the day I became a disciple. You may want to try\nit sometime. It's life-changing!\n",
'Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\n <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <C5L9vC.3r6@world.std.com>\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5L9vC.3r6@world.std.com>, Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein)\nsays:\n>\n>(Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?)\n>\n\nyup. with onions, of all things.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n',
"From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 39\n\njamesc@netcom.com (James Chuang) writes:\n\n\n>When you leave your radio on at night, it may not be doing anything useful.\n>But computers can do something useful even when YOU are not in front of it.\n>Just because MS-DOS and WINDOZE does not know how to schedule tasks does\n>not mean that all computers hould be shut down every night.\n\n>I bet starting up NT every morning means a good coffee break.... \n>jamesc\n\n\n>-- \n>=========================================\n>If someone asks if you are a God, you say... YES!\n\nIn addition to startup time, I leave things running because my PC doubles as \na fax machine. \n\nHowever, this is off the original subject. I didn't get the replies on BIOS, \nCMOS, and DOS clock/date logic. All I know is that I've been running this way \nfor many months and it is only recently, the last month, that I have noticed \nthe intermittent clock problem. As I stated, it is not always the date that \ndoesn't roll forward, sometimes I notice that the clock is several minutes \nbehind where it ought to be. \n\nWhen unattended, the following are generally running minimized in Win 3.1:\n\nClock, WinFax Pro 3.0, Print Manager, MS-Word 1.1, File Manager, Program \nManager\n\nA random screen saver is generally running too.\n\n\n-- \nBarry Sardis\t\t| Home: (408) 448-1589\n1241 Laurie Avenue\t| Office: (408) 448-7404\nSan Jose, CA 95125\t| Fax: (408) 448-7404\nEmail: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM\n",
'From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 28\n\nIn <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:\n\n>In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) \n>writes:\n>> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the \'Tude) writes:\n>> \n\n>Most people wave or return my wave when I\'m on my Harley.\n>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I\'m on my\n>duck. Squids don\'t wave, or return waves ever, even to each\n>other, from what I can tell.\n\n\n When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!\n\n__\n Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who\n Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am. \n UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous\n\n --Squidonk-- \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:\n>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For\n>example, Why couldn\'t Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"\n>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if\n>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy\n>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. \n\nOne consideration to remember is that if you don\'t turn it off now,\nyou may not be able to later. This isn\'t a case of reaching over and\nflipping a switch; much of the spacecraft has to be working correctly\nto execute a "turn off" command successfully. Spacecraft do malfunction\nin their old age. The big concern is not radio clutter from idle\nspacecraft, but radio clutter from malfunctioning spacecraft that can\nno longer be turned off.\n-- \nAll work is one man\'s work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n',
"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain)\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 40\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:\n|> \n|> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:\n|> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel\n|> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.\n|> |> -- \n|> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org\n|> Mr. water-head,\n|> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that\n|> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no \n|> water is being used on the lebanese\n|> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there\n|> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.\n\nOf course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more\ndifficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in\nany way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support\nthis?\n\nI can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan\nhad been writing it.\n\nNewsflash:\nCairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red\nSea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of\nthe Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea.\nThe action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment.\nEgyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been\ndenied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers\nwere successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the\nRed Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered\nheavy casualties while doing so.\n\n|> Hasan \n\n-- \nShai Guday | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninjas of the skies.\nCambridge, MA |\n",
"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nOrganization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) writes:\n>\tI set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of\n>\tfiles on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users \n>\tconnect they send a private key encrypted using the system public\n>\tkey and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the\n>\tone-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The\n>\tresult of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it\n>\tis impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the\n>\tmachine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed\n>\tsystem private key to entice users into revealing thier personal\n>\tprivate keys during the authentication sequence.\n>\n>Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated...\n>\n\nJust a question. \nAs a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee\nintelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes\nwith sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition\nfor such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)\n\nFriendly greetings,\n\tGermano Caronni\n-- \nInstruments register only through things they're designed to register.\nSpace still contains infinite unknowns.\n PGP-Key-ID:341027\nGermano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F\n",
'From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)\nSubject: Re: RE: HELP ME INJECT...\nArticle-I.D.: uwm.1r82eeINNc81\nReply-To: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFrom article <1993Apr22.233001.13436@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk:\n> The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle\n> and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra\n> muscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on\n> the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). \n> Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make\n> sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the\n> needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the \'prick\' when it \n> pierces the skin).\n> \n> PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should\n> be avoided as far as possible.\n> \nThe areas that are least likely to hurt are where you have a little \nfat. I inject on my legs and gut, and prefer the gut. I can stick\nit in at a 90 degree angle, and barely feel it. I\'m not fat, just\nhave a little gut. My legs however, are muscular, and I have to pinch\nto get anything, and then I inject at about a 45 degree angle,and it\nstill hurts. The rate of absorbtion differs for subcutaneous and \nmuscular injections however--so if it\'s a daily thing it would be\nbest not to switch places every day to keep consistencey. Although\nsome suggest switch legs or sides of the stomach for each shot, to prevent \nirritation. When you clean the spot off with an alcohol prep, \nwait for it to dry somewhat, or you may get the alcohol in the\npuncture, and of course, that doesn\'t feel good. A way to prevent\nirratation is to mark the spot that you injected. A good way to\ndo this is use a little round bandage and put it over the \nspot. This helps prevent you from injecting in the same spot,\nand spacing the sites out accuartely (about 1 1/2 " apart.)\n\nThis is from experience, so I hope it\'ll help you. (I have\ndiabetes and have to take an injection every morning.)\n\n\t\t\tLater,\n\t\t\t\tDavid\n-- \nDavid Hahn\nUniversity of Wisconsin : Milwaukee \nhahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n',
'From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait)\nSubject: Re: NRA address?\nOrganization: The University of Illinois\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu\nKeywords: NRA Waco RKBA\n\nIn article <7307@pdxgate.UUCP>, barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) writes:\n> Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I\'d like to write them\n> a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd\n> amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended.\n\nNational Rifle Association\n1600 Rhode Island Ave. NW\nWashington, DC 20036-3268\n1-800-368-5714 (membership)\n\n-- \n| Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu |\n| University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 |\n| "If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit |\n| training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war" |\n',
"From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)\nSubject: Clipper Chip - How would it work?\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 18\n\n\nWith all the talk about this Clipper chip, I have developed one question...\n\n\t\t\tHOW DOES IT WORK???\n\nIf you use this, then how does it get decrypted on the other end? Does the\nother party (receiving the phone call/mail/etc) have to know some code to \nundo it? Do I use a different method for calling one party than I would for \nanother?. If the other party can decrypt it, doesn't that mean that someone\nelse could also? I assume that if everyone has a different key, the only use\nwould be storing secure data for later retrieval by the same key. This seems\nlike a fundamental question to me, but I have very little experience with\ncryptosystems, other than DES. If someone could give me an explanation as\nto how it would be used (remember that I have had little experience with\nthis sort of thing) it would be very much appreciated. \n\n\t\t\t\t\tJustin York\n\t\t\t\t\tjyork@iastate.edu\n",
'From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 98\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.09.04.1993.28448@athos.rutgers.edu> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:\n[insert deletion of unnecessary quote]\n\n>Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure\n>from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and\n>his angels.\n\nFirst of all, God does not take any sort of pleasure from punishing\npeople. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on\nwhom he will have compassion (Ex 33:19). However, if he enjoyed\npunishing people and sending them to hell, then why would he send Jesus\nto "seek and save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10)?\n\n>\n>To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with\n>the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible\n>teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their\n>judgement is soon to come.\n>\n>Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory\n>should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away\n>from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible.\n>\nYou asked for it.\n\n2 Peter 2:4-ff talks about how those who are ungodly are punished.\nMatthew 25:31-46 is also very clear that those who do not righteous in\nGod\'s eyes will be sent to hell for eternity.\n2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 states that those who cause trouble for the\ndisciples "will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out\nfrom the presence of the Lord".\n2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 talks about those who refuse to love the truth\nbeing condemned.\nRevelation 21:6-8 talks about the difference between those who overcomes\nand those who do not. Those who do not, listed in verse 8, will be in\nthe "fiery lake of burning sulfur".\nRevelation 14:9-12 gives the indication that those who follow the beast\n"will be tormented with burning sulfur" and there being "no rest day or\nnight" for them because of it.\nPsalm 9:17: "The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that\nforget God."\n\nI think those should be sufficient to prove the point.\n\n>Darius\n\nJoe Fisher\n\n[In the following I\'m mostly playing "devil\'s advocate". I\'m not\nadvocating either position. My concern is that people understand that\nit\'s possible to see these passages in different ways. It\'s possible\nto see eternal destruction as just that -- destruction. Rev often\nuses the term "second death". The most obvious understanding of that\nwould seem to be final extinction. The problem is that the NT speaks\nboth of eternal punishment and of second death. I.e. it uses terms\nthat can be understood either way. My concern here is not to convince\nyou of one view or the other, but to help people understand that\nthere\'s a wide enough variety of images that it\'s possible to\nunderstand them either way. As Tom Albrecht commented, the primary\npoint is to do our best to keep people out of the eternal fire,\nwhatever the details. (To make things more interesting, Luke 20:35\nimplies that the damned don\'t get resurrected at all. Presumably\nthey just stay dead. -- yes I\'m aware that it\'s possible to \nunderstand this passage in a non-literal way.)\n\n2 Peter 2:4-ff is talking about angels, and talks about holding them\nin hell until the final judgement. This isn\'t eternal punishement.\n\nMatthew 25:31-46 talks about sending the cursed into eternal fire\nprepared for the devil and his angels. The fact that the fire is\neternal doesn\'t mean that people will last in its flames forever.\nParticularly interesting is the comment about the fire having been\nprepared for the devil and his angels. Rev 20 and 21 talk about the\neternal fire as well. They say that the beast and the false prophet\nwill be tormented forever in it. When talking about people being\nthrown into it (20:13-14), it is referred to as "the second death".\nThis sounds more like extinction than eternal torment. Is is possible\nthat the fire has different effects on supernatural entities such as\nthe devil, and humans?\n\n2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 similarly, what is "everlasting destruction"?\nThis is not necessarily eternal torment. This one can clearly be\nunderstood either way, but I think it\'s at least possible to think\nthat everlasting is being used to contrast the kind of destruction\nthat can occur in this life with the final destruction that occurs in\neternity.\n\n2 Thessalonians 2:8 again talks about destruction.\nRevelation 21:6-8: see comment above\nRevelation 14:9-12 is probably the best of the quotes. Even there,\nit doesn\'t explicitly say that the people suffer forever. It says\nthat the smoke (and presumably the fire) is eternal, and that \nthere is no respite from it. But it doesn\'t say that the people\nare tormented forever.\n\nPsalm 9:17: I don\'t see that it says anything relevant to this issue.\n\n--clh]\n',
'From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)\nSubject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 24\n\nIn <ramarren-150493134758@kops.apple.com> ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:\n\n>>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,\n>>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up\n>>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox\n>>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"\n\n\n I beleive it\'s called the "Dentabox" frame. \n\nNothing some putty and paint won\'t fix.\n\n__\n Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who\n Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am. \n UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous\n\n --Squidonk-- \n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)\nSubject: Re: technology\nOrganization: Kulikauskas home\nLines: 28\n\nmcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n\n> ...the computer is not a fantasyland where one's responsibilities\n> disappear. The people on the net are real; slander and deception carried\n> out by net are just as wrong as they would be if carried out on paper\n> or face to face.\n\nWell said, Michael!\n\nThe Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual \nWorks of Mercy:\n\nadmonish the sinner\ninstruct the ignorant\ncounsel the doubtful\ncomfort the sorrowful\nbear wrongs patiently\nforgive all injury\npray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy \n on this and I don't want to argue about it.)\n\nThese are all things that have a direct application to usenet. People \nask questions and express doubts. Some are in need of comfort or \nprayers. Imagine what would happen to flame wars if we bore wrongs \npatiently and forgave injuries. I would add that it is probably more \nappropriate to do any admonishing by private email than publicly.\n\nJayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n",
"From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)\nSubject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times\nNntp-Posting-Host: eugene.convex.com\nOrganization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 17\n\nIn <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:\n\n>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)\n\n\n>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 \n>carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws\n>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that\n>on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside\n>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.\n\nYou better check all the screws in that carb before you suck\none into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it\nhappen before.\n\nMatthew\n\n",
'From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Purdue University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 5\n\n sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:\n\n Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.\n\n\n',
'From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)\nSubject: Re: Difference between Lexus 300 series?\nArticle-I.D.: uwm.1pr5f8INN4om\nReply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFrom article <1993Apr5.200048.23421@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo):\n> \tWhat is the difference between the LS300, ES300 and GS300? Seems\n> Lexus can\'t stop popping out new models.\n\n--Let me put it like this. The only similarity between the three models\n is the "300", or 3-liter engine displacement. Actually, the SC300 (the\n coupe) and the GS300 (the funky-looking new sedan) share the same 3.0\n liter inline-six, and the ES300 (popular small sedan) uses 3.0 V6 shared\n with the Camry. The SC300 is a luxury/sports coupe, the GS300 is the new\n luxury sedan, and the ES300 is the base executive sedan. All three look\n completely different.\n\n--Aamir Qazi\n-- \n\nAamir Qazi\nqazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n--Why should I care? I\'d rather watch drying paint.\n',
'Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80\'s Part III vinyl\nFrom: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king)\nReply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Wibble\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 14\n\nGrinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote:\n\n: Men Without Hats - "Folk of the 80\'s (Part III)" - vinyl\n\nAnyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of\n\nMen without Hats, "Pop goes the world!" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...\n\nplease contact me, we wish to purchase it!\n\n\n|o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz )() |o|\n| |\t\t\t\t |U |\\ It\'s late (again)... | |\n|o|\t\t\t\t |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o|\n',
"From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck)\nSubject: detecting double points in bezier curves\nOrganization: My own node in Groningen, NL.\nLines: 6\n\nI'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double\npoint and/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n\nAn algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated,\n\nFerdinand.\n",
'From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: egreen@east.sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com\n\nIn article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:\n>\n>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my\n>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.\n>\n>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we\n>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or\n>how long it would take me to push my horn button??\n\nIf we do, I think you\'d loose. Sure, you\'re hand\'s already on the\nthrottle. And your thumb is already near the horn button. Pushing the\nhorn button is one simple move. Revving the throttle requires either\nengaging the clutch, or accelerating. The first is a more complex\nmanuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain\'t too bright\nwhen there is a potential hazard ahead. Besides, the unique sound of a\nhorn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than\nis the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are\non the road!).\n\nAs is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound\nsafety procedure.\n\nThe answer is 161.33 feet.\n\n---\nEd Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,\n Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,\nDoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you\'ll like her!"\n (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...\n\n',
'From: Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert)\nSubject: Re: Level 5?\nOrganization: IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services\n IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nLines: 91\n\nIn <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer writes:\n>In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n>>>>(given that I\'ve heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ...\n>>>Level 5? Out of how many? ...\n>>\n>>... Also keep in mind that it was\n>>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather\n>>through a \'brute force and ignorance\' attack on the problem during the\n>>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and\n>>did the whole process by hand...\n>\n>I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman\'s account of the\n>software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically\n>correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking\n>care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited\n>the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He\n>also noted that the software people were starting to feel management\n>pressure to cut corners, but hadn\'t had to give in to it much yet.)\n>\n>Among other things, the software people worked very hard to get things\n>right for the major pre-flight simulations, and considered a failure\n>during those simulations to be nearly as bad as an in-flight failure.\n>As a result, the number of major-simulation failures could be counted\n>on one hand, and the number of in-flight failures was zero.\n>\n>As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software.\n>Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the\n>experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care.\n>(None of the experimenters could afford it.)\n>--\n>All work is one man\'s work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n> - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n>\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nX-X-From: Wingert@VNET.IBM.com (Bret Wingert)\n <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu>\n\nIn <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer writes:\n>In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n>>>>(given that I\'ve heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ...\n>>>Level 5? Out of how many? ...\n>>\n>>... Also keep in mind that it was\n>>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather\n>>through a \'brute force and ignorance\' attack on the problem during the\n>>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and\n>>did the whole process by hand...\n>\n>I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman\'s account of the\n>software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically\n>correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking\n>care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited\n>the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He\n>also noted that the software people were starting to feel management\n>pressure to cut corners, but hadn\'t had to give in to it much yet.)\n>\n>As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software.\n>Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the\n>experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care.\n ========================================================================\nA couple of points on this thread.\n\n1. We have been using our processes since way before Challenger. Challenger\n in and of it self did not uncover flaws.\n\n2. What Mr. Spencer says is by and large true. We have a process that is\n not dependent on "sophisticated tools" (CASE tools?). However, tools\n cannot fix a bad process. Also, tool support for HAL/S (the Shuttle\n Language) is somewhat limited.\n\n3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated "Level 5" by a NASA team.\n This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA.\n\n4. Feel free to call me if you or your organization is interested in more info\n on our software development process.\n\nBret Wingert\n\n\n(713)-282-7534\nFAX: (713)-282-8077\n\n\nBret Wingert\n\n\n(713)-282-7534\nFAX: (713)-282-8077\n\n\n',
'From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:\n>Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference\n>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.\n>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an\n>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?\n>\n> They sound like one and the same to me.\n>\n> I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words\n\nI\'m not surprised that you see no wisdom in them. That is because your\npremises are wrong from the word "Go". You claim that Christianity is\nbased on blind faith, but this simply is not so. Just look at the\ncurrent thread on the evidence for Jesus\' resurrection for evidence\nthat Jesus was real and that he triumphed over death.\n\nFurthermore, you say that Christians hold to their beliefs "regardless of\nany evidence that you may find to the contrary." Without any evidence\nto support your claim, this statement is little more than an ad hominem \nargument.\n\nMind you, I don\'t mean this as a personal attack. I\'m merely pointing out\nthe intellectual dishonesty behind condemning Christianity in this fashion.\nIt would make much more sense if you could prove that all Christians do \nbase their belief on empty nothings, and that they do ignore all evidence to \nthe contrary. Only then can you expect your attack to make sense.\n \n-- \nVirgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng\'g and Applied Physics \n\t CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee\n "Bullwinkle, that man\'s intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a \n "Not very well. He doesn\'t look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.\n',
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1rambk$cee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:\n\n>ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n\n[Andi\'s posting deleted...]\n\nHamaza\'s only comment is:\n\n>Well said Mr. Beyer :)\n\nAndi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know\nyou\'re on the wrong track.\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
'From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware)\nSubject: Typewriter w/computer interface\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC\nLines: 17\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: erex.east.sun.com\n\nI have the following item for sale:\n\nElectronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I\'m\n\tselling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this\n\ttypewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no\n\tcable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It\'s\n\tgreat if you need to send letter with "typewriter look". In\n\tstand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several "effects" like\n\tunderline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/\n\tline correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the\n\tinterface\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJorge Lach\t\t\tSun Microsystems Computer Corporation\nJorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com\t\tEast Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
'From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)\nSubject: Kings playoff notes: Stauber, TV ratings, etc.\nReply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)\nOrganization: none\nLines: 112\n\n1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes.\n--------------------------------\nPlayoffs:\n---------\n*Stauber disturbed by third-man theme\nby Rick Sadowski, Daily News\n\nBarry Melrose\'s decision to stick Robb Stauber in the stands rather than in the\ncrease or even on the bench for the Stanley Cup playoffs does not sit well with\nthe rookie goaltender.\n\n"I want to be a part of the team at the most crucial time of the year, the most\nfun time of the year, and I\'m not," Stauber said with some emotion Monday. "I\nthink I have worked hard enough for that."\n\nStauber said he accepts Melrose\'s choice of Kelly Hrudey as the teams top goalie\nin their playoff series with the Calgary Flames. Hrudey made 21 saves in Sundays\n6-3 opening victory.\n\nBut Stauber clearly is upset with his sudden status as the No. 3 man behind Rick\nKnickle. Stauber had a 4-1-2 record and 2.98 goals-against average down the\nstretch in the regular season and nearly wrestled the No. 1 job from Hrudey.\n\nKnickle? He won 2 of 3 decisions but had a bloated 5.26 average, twice was \nyanked from games (once for stomach cramps) and hasn\'t played since March 29.\n\nYet, when the series resumes Wednesday, Knickle will serve as Hrudey\'s backup\nagain and Stauber will have to satisfy his playoff hunger by munching on Olympic\nSaddledome popcorn.\n\n"If I\'m supposedly close to being the starter or could have been the starter...I\ndropped too. 3. What happened to No. 2?" Stauber wondered. "Not that I\'d be\nhappy with No. 2, but I feel I should at least be a part of this team in the\nplayoffs."\n\nPerhaps Stauber eventually will get his chance, but Melrose apparently is not\nconvinced the 25-year old is capable of handling playoff pressure.\n\nWhile insisting he is the Kings\' "goalie of the future," Melrose said Stauber\nflubbed all four of the big games he was asked to win this season. They were,\naccording to Melrose: a 7-2 loss to San Jose on Dec. 26; An 8-3 loss to the New\nYork Rangers on Jan. 23; a 6-6 tie with Detroit on Feb. 11; an 8-6 loss to \nVancouver on Thursday.\n\n"Four times this season Robb could have emerged as the elite goalie, he could\nhave taken it away from Kelly Hrudey, and he didn\'t do it," Melrose said. "An\nelite goaltender has to carry the ball when you give it to him. The mark of a\ngreat goalie is that he isn\'t satisfied to be a backup."\n\n"I\'m not blaming Robb for the losses, but if you\'re going to be No. 1, you\'ve\ngot to be able to walk your talk. You\'ve got to be able to play when everything\nis on the line. Robb Stauber has a great deal of ability, but maybe I expect\nmore from him than he does."\n\nOuch. That remark stung Stauber. He began the season 9-0-1, struggled when the\nteam hit a mid-season slump, didn\'t play for a month after Knickle was signed\noff the San Diego Gulls roster, then came on at the end.\n\n"I expect more from myself than anybody, including Barry Melrose," said Stauber,\na three-year star at the University of Minnesota who left school in 1989, only \nto have his development hampered by a string of serious injuries.\n\n"What I\'ve been through the last four years - two knee operations, a herniated\ndisk in my back, shoulder surgery - what more can I go through? I obviously do\nexpect a lot from myself, otherwise I wouldn\'t be here."\n\n"Anybody who would disagree with that doesn\'t know me. I\'m not saying Barry \ndoesn\'t know me, but don\'t say I\'ve been without expectations. If anything, I\'m\na perfectionist."\n\nStauber acknowledged he played poorly in the four games Melrose mentioned. "But \neven though I didn\'t play well, I get knocked down from maybe on to three? It\'s \na bit of a jump," he said. "You\'re almost No. 1, or if you play a good game \nyou\'re No. 1 and if you don\'t you\'re No. 3? Why does Jack Nicklaus shoot a 67 \nand then a 75? Can you explain that? That\'s what barry wanted me to explain \nto him, why I didn\'t come through when he counted on me. I don\'t know. What I \ndo know is, it\'s a sport. I\'ll be there."\n\nMelrose\'s "goalie of the future" statement doesn\'t mean much to Stauber. "Before\nyou know it, I\'ll be 30 and there will be no future," he said.\n\n------\n\n*Game 1 of the Kings @ Flames playoff series drew a 4.2 Nielsen rating on ABC \nChannel 7 here in LA. The Kings averaged a 2.1 Nielsen rating in the 10 regular\nseason games aired on Channel 5.\n\nAround the NHL:\n---------------\n*San Jose fired Coach George Kingston, who lead the team to a 11-71-2 mark in \ntheir 2nd NHL season. Kingston was 28-129-7 over the past 2 years with the\nSharks.\n\n------\n\n*Former Islander executive Bill Torrey was named as President of the expansion\nFlorida Panthers. Bobby Clarke was named as the clubs General Manager.\n\n*Last nights games:\n-------------------\nWIN 2 @ VAN 4 (VAN leads 1-0)\nTOR 3 @ DET 6 (DET leads 1-0)\n\n===============================================================================\nStan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com)\nnet contact: L.A. Kings\n\n >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\n talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu\n to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu\n <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\n===============================================================================\n',
"From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)\nSubject: Does anybody have the schedule for games Sunday 25 Apr 93\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nHello Hockey fans.\nBonjour tout le monde!\n\nWell, in Salt Lake City this past Sunday, the local ABC station decided not\nto televise the hockey games. La directrous de programme est la tete de merde!\nAnyway, I have a satellite dish, and a few of my friends from hockey have invited themselves over to watch the games this coming Sunday (25 Apr), and I can\nnot find correct game times. For the Calgary at LA game I have times showing\neverything from 11:00 AM MDT, to 5:00 PM MDT.\n\nI am not even sure what games are going to be played this coming Sunday, now\nthat ABC has mucked up the schedule. I think I should be able to\npull in\nthree games (11:00 am, 2:00 pm, and 5:30 pm MDT) off the dish, but I am\nnot sure.\n\nIF anybody has a schedule, pleas emial it to me. As you can see, I have to\ntelent to get rec.sport.hockey, and it is sometimes difficult to get a link.\n\nThanks in advance\nMerci d'avance\n\nP.S. Anglais ou francais d'accord.\n\n\nRoland Behunin\n\nbehunin@oodis01.af.mil\nbehunin@oodis01.hill.af.mil\n-- \nRoland\n",
'From: mtjensen@nbivax.nbi.dk\nSubject: Re: This year\'s biggest and worst (opinion)...\nReply-To: mtjensen\nOrganization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:\n> \n> I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest\n> surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just\n> my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an\n> opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway....\n> \n> MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and\n> in terms of leadership ("can\'t win without him")\n> \n> Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player\n> that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even\n> if that new level doesn\'t necessarily warrant an allstar berth\n> (includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not\n> even have been in the team\'s plans).\n> \n> Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I\n> picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on\n> offence brought by Demers, shouldn\'t Savard have done better?)\n> \n> -----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> \n> Team Biggest Biggest\n> Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:\n> -----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley\n> Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?)\n> Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit\n> Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet\n> Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov\n> Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby\n> Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau\n> Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey\n> Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten\n> Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard\n> New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean\n> New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois\n> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque\n> Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek\n> Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund\n> Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr\n> Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson\n> San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley\n> St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter\n> Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper\n> Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson\n> Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso\n> Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik\n> Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce\n> ----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> \n> As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I\n> would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other\n> words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!)\n> \n> Bryan\n',
'From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca)\nSubject: Re: nuclear waste\nOrganization: The Dorsai Grey Captains\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu\n\nIn article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:\n\n>\tOk, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure\n>that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it.\n>Any comments?\n\nSure. Why keep using oil? A hydrogen/electric economy would likely be\ncleaner and more efficient in the long run. The laws of supply and demand\nshould get the transition underway before we reach a critical stage of\nshortage.\n-- \nMatthew DeLuca\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew\nInternet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu\n',
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Sea? What sea? We said rivers!\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:\n\n>I am sick and tired of this \'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA\' sentance\n>attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can\'t be proven\n>as part of their plan!\n\n\tOk, I\'ll admit it. I can\'t find a quote with my meager online\nresources. but i did find this little gem:\n\n\t``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in\n\tthis part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch\n\tof the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the\n\toccupied homeland is liberated...\'\'\n\t--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79\n\n\tSo, Ahmed is right. There was nothing about driving Jews into\nthe sea, just a bit of "ethnic cleansing," and a river of blood.\n\n\tIs this an improvement?\n\nAdam\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
'From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)\nSubject: Re: old vs. new testament\nOrganization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.\nLines: 39\n\nREXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes:\n\n>We can jillustrate this by pointing to the way God administers His judgment. \n>In the OT, sins were not forgiven, but rather covered up. In the age of the\n>Church not only are sins forgiven (taken away), but the power of SIN is put to\n>death. ...\n\nMy, this distinction seems quite arbitrary.\n\n Blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sin is covered.\n (Ps. 32:1).\n\nand quoted by the apostle Paul:\n\n Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God\n imputeth righteousness without works,\n Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins\n are covered.\n Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (Rom. 4:6-8)\n\nThe biblical perspective seems to be that foregiveness and covering are\nparallel/equivalent concepts in both testaments. The dispensational\ndistinction is unwarranted.\n\n> During the millenium, we read that sins are dealt with immediately\n>under the present (ie that Christ is present on earth) rulership of Christ.\n\nI\'m sure Rex has Scripture to back this up. You\'re suggesting Jesus is\ngoing to travel around dealing with individual violations of His law -- for\nmillions perhaps billions of people. Such activity for Moses the lawgiver\nwas considered unwise (cf. Ex. 18:13ff). It makes for interesting\nspeculation, though.\n\nI\'ll leave comments on the so-called "bema seat" vs. "throne" judgments to\nsomeone else. This also seems like more unnecessary divisions ala\ndispensationalism.\n\n--\nTom Albrecht\n',
'From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)\nSubject: Re: Can sin "block" our prayers?\nOrganization: Pegasus, Honolulu\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <Apr.12.03.45.11.1993.18872@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n>mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes:\n>\n>> Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered:\n>> prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7\n>\n>One interpretation I\'ve heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin \n>of physically abusing one\'s wife. The husband is usually physically \n>stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her. \n>He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an \n>example of a specific sin that blocks prayer.\n>Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n\nI would be a bit more specific in looking at this verse in regard to\n\'blocking\' prayer. I have trouble thinking that God would allow\nanything to block our access to him in prayer, especially if we have\nsinned and are praying for forgivenenss.\n I can see, however, how our prayer life might be hindered by our\nsin, if we are concentrating on what is causing the sin or what has\nhappened, we may not be thinking about prayer, thus our prayers are\n\'hindered\' by our own actions.\n But I don\'t think anything can \'block\' the transmission, or\nreception of prayer to God.\nShalom, Len Howard\n',
'From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)\nSubject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa\nLines: 8\n\nIn article <lsp0mgINNud@cash.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:\n>However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider\n>the VW a bike.\nHowever, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider\nthe Amazona a bike.\n\nKeith Hanlan KeithH@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645\n\n',
"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)\nSubject: Scoring runs. Was Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu\n\n\nIn article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n\n|> Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with\n|> nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR?\n\nActually, for the Padres this year so far it's 23%. They are 5th in\nthe league in HRs, and ALL have been solo shots.\n\nPythagorean projection puts them at .360 winning percentage\nor 58-104. Need some pitching help, fast!\n\nGood news, though, is that Hurst has been throwing curveballs\nw/o any pain. Threw 80 pitches yesterday. Should be back\nin a couple of weeks. Maybe we can trade him to the Yankees\nfor Militello.\n\nDave\n-- \nDave DeMers\t\t\t \t demers@cs.ucsd.edu\nComputer Science & Engineering\t0114\t\tdemers%cs@ucsd.bitnet\nUC San Diego\t\t\t\t\t...!ucsd!cs!demers\nLa Jolla, CA 92093-0114\t(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029\n",
"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour\n>died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such\n>behaviour, entirely by chance.\n\nThat's the entire point!\n\n>Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an\n>organism evolves cooperative behaviour?\n\nYes!\n\nNatural morality is a morality that developed naturally.\n\n>What about the natural morality of bee dance?\n\nHuh?\n\nkeith\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: amitriptyline\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Mar27.010702.8176@julian.uwo.ca> roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes:\n>Could someone please tell me, what effect an overdose (900-1000mg) of\n>amitriptyline would have?\n\nProbably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose, but could kill\na child. Patient would be very somnolent, with dilated pupils, low\nblood pressure. Possibly cardiac arrhythmias. \n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: Wings will win\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 25\n\n\nIn article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n\n>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they\n>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters \n>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM\n>I have ever seen in hockey\n\nHow do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were\na pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked\nunlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for\nthe Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would\nhave been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon\nof the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can\nmaintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level.\n\nIn the history of hockey there have been several better GM's than Murray-\nway too many to name. Murray isn't even the best GM in the league today.\nHe fails in comparison to Sinden, Sather, Savard, Caron, Fletcher and\nQuinn in my estimation.\n\nI can't imagine how Bryan Murray can be the best GM anyone has ever seen\nin hockey- unless they have seen VERY few GM's.\n\nGregmeister\n",
"From: buhrow@moria.nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow)\nSubject: NEED HELP FINDING DIP SWITCH SETTINGS AND JUMPER SETTINGS FOR 386SX MOTHERBOARD\nKeywords: JUMPER SETTINGS DIP-SWITCH SETTINGS, HELP, COMPUTER 386SX\nOrganization: National Federation of the Blind of California\nLines: 14\n\n\nHello net. I have a 386sx motherboard with the Phoenix BIOS, an on-board\nIDE controller port, and two on-board serial ports. Unfortunately, I don't\nhave a manual for this beast and I would like to be able to disable the IDE\ncontroller in order to use the MFM controller I have.\nThe board says it is made in Korea and it uses the Chips Chipset. If\nanyone can give me a clue as to how to go about configuring the board so as\nnot to use the IDE controller, or how to go about finding out how to do it,\ntheir help would be greatly appreciated. \n\tThank you in advance for your assistance.\nPlease mail buhrow@nfbcal.org with your responses as my news feed is rather\ntenuous.\nThank you very much!\n-Brian <buhrow@nfbcal.org>\n",
'From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)\nSubject: Re: re: fillibuster\nLines: 55\nReply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de\nOrganization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n\n|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn\'t meant to be anything\n|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out.\n|>\n|> That\'s also untrue, but at least we\'re wandering a little closer\n|>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough\n|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more.\n\nWell yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore\ndifficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. They\ncertainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this\nwas not necessarily their true position.\n\n|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty\n|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock\n|>>set in.\n|>\n|> I wasn\'t aware the House of Lords had "wide powers." I was under the\n|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and\n|>certainly didn\'t have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted\n|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)\n\nThe Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question.\nThe stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914\nand David Llloyd George\'s budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has\nconsiderable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body. \n\n\n|> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely\n|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn\'t intended to make use of their \n|>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed\n|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act\n|>as a check on the more-often elected House.\n\nThe system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up\na bit too slow.\n\n\n|> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be\n|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You\'ll note that while the\n|>President\'s veto may be over-ridden, the House can\'t do anything about\n|>a "veto" by the Senate.\n\nThe Presiden\'t veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it\nin a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent\nof being a check on unreasonable legislation. The veto was clearly regarded \nas a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to\npreventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive.\n\nthe Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as\na check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into\nthe constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives\nof the states is not a reasonable restriction. \n',
'From: wes1574@zeus.tamu.edu (Bill Scrivener)\nSubject: In need of help....\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nOk, I have a problem that I thought you guys/gals might know about....\n\nI\'m running a 286dx-25 with a 85mb hdd. I also have windows 3.1, but\nhardly any dos application will run out it. Also, when I do a "mem"\ncommand, it says that I have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional\nmemory, zero from upper level memory, and all 385kb of my ems memory.\nAnd to top it off, I can\'t load any device drivers into upper memory.\nDo I just need more memory? Also, why would it use up ems memory instead\nof upper memory?\n\nPlease reply by e-mail only to : wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu\n\n\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBill Scrivener | "It\'s not the first time that you\nTexas A&M University | sleep with a woman that matters,\nCollege Station, Texas | but the first time\nemail: wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu | you wake up with her."\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
'From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest)\nSubject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation!\nSummary: a sort of bi-monthly not really automated announcement\nOriginator: hogreq@hog.thinkage.on.ca\nKeywords: digests, lists, harley-davidson, hogaholics\nSupersedes: <93mar09-hog-announce@hog.thinkage.on.ca>\nOrganization: Thinkage Ltd.\nExpires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:00:00 GMT\nLines: 36\n\n Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle,\npolitics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it,\nmay subscribe by sending a request to:\n\n harley-request@thinkage.on.ca\n or uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request\n\n***\n* Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full\n* Email address. Do not RELY on the header "From:" field being useful to me.\n*\n* This is not an automated "listserv" facility. Do not expect instant\n* gratification.\n***\n\nThe list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day.\n\nMembers of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index\n listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server. \nServer access is restricted to list subscribers only.\nFTP access "real soon".\n\nOther motorcycle related lists i\'ve heard of (not run by me),\n these addresses may or may not be current:\n\n 2-stroke: 2strokes-request@microunity.com\n Dirt: dirt-request@zygot.ati.com\n European: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com\n Racing: race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com\n digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com\n Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com\n Wet Leather: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com\n\n---\nIt climbs the hills like a Matchless \'cause my Honda\'s built really light...\n -Brian Wilson (Honda Honda)\n',
'From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)\nSubject: Re: Abortion\nNews-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers\nLines: 22\nReply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis)\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com\nOrganization: The Village Waterbed\n\nIn <18275.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes:\n>To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)\n>From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com\n>\n>LM>> >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away.\n>LM>>\n>LM>>LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of\n>LM>>LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel.\n>LM>>\n>LM>>Life is not a "violation".\n>\n>LM>But forcing someone to harbor that life in their body *is* a violation.\n>\n>Letting a mother force a child from her body, in order to end that\n>childs life is the ultimate violation.\n\nI happen to take the violation of a person much more seriously than the\n"violation" of a mindless clump of cells smaller than my thumb.\n\nYour mileage may vary.\n--\nLarry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)\n',
'From: feszcm@warren1c.its.rpi.edu (Michael Jaroslaw Feszczyszyn)\nSubject: Re: Fenway Gif\nNntp-Posting-Host: warren1c.its.rpi.edu\nReply-To: feszcm@rpi.edu\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5JB3D.9nt@umassd.edu>, acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes:\n|> I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.\n|> I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.\n|> Thanks in advance.\n|> \n|> -Dan\n\nMe too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please.\n\nThanx in advance,\n\nMike Feszczyszyn\n',
'From: afung@athena.mit.edu (Archon Fung)\nSubject: wrong RAM in Duo?\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thobbes.mit.edu\n\nA few posts back, somebody mentioned that the Duo might crash if it has\nthe wrong kind (non-self refreshing) of RAM in it. My Duo crashes\nsometimes after sleep, and I am wondering if there is any software which\nwill tell me whether or not I have the right kind of RAM installed. I\nhad thought that the problem was the battery connection.\n\nThanks in Advance,\n\nArchon Fung\n',
'From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays)\nSubject: Re: Gov\'t break-ins (Re: 60 minutes)\nNntp-Posting-Host: taos\nOrganization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes:\n|> On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the\n|> family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff\'s\n|> Department had an assessment done of the rancher\'s property before\n|> the raid.\n\nThe briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a\nsimilar local property which had sold for $800,000 prior to the\nraid, if recent TV coverage can be believed.\n\n|> This strongly implies that the sheriff\'s department wanted the property;\n|> any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse.\n\nThe Ventura County DA came to the same conclusion in the report he\nreleased, which lambasted the Sheriff\'s Office.\n\nToo bad the old man was nearly blind, and didn\'t take a few\ngoose-stepping Drug Warriors (TM) with him.\n\n-- \nKirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.\n"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to\ndo nothing." -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)\n',
'From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument\nSummary: Includes a list of logical fallacies\nKeywords: FAQ, atheism, argument, fallacies, logic\nExpires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:14 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nSupersedes: <19930322114724@mantis.co.uk>\nLines: 632\n\nArchive-name: atheism/logic\nAlt-atheism-archive-name: logic\nLast-modified: 5 April 1993\nVersion: 1.4\n\n Constructing a Logical Argument\n\nAlthough there is much argument on Usenet, the general quality of argument\nfound is poor. This article attempts to provide a gentle introduction to\nlogic, in the hope of improving the general level of debate.\n\nLogic is the science of reasoning, proof, thinking, or inference [Concise\nOED]. Logic allows us to analyze a piece of reasoning and determine whether\nit is correct or not (valid or invalid). Of course, one does not need to\nstudy logic in order to reason correctly; nevertheless, a little basic\nknowledge of logic is often helpful when constructing or analyzing an\nargument.\n\nNote that no claim is being made here about whether logic is universally\napplicable. The matter is very much open for debate. This document merely\nexplains how to use logic, given that you have already decided that logic is\nthe right tool for the job.\n\nPropositions (or statements) are the building blocks of a logical argument. A\nproposition is a statement which is either true or false; for example, "It is\nraining" or "Today is Tuesday". Propositions may be either asserted (said to\nbe true) or denied (said to be false). Note that this is a technical meaning\nof "deny", not the everyday meaning.\n\nThe proposition is the meaning of the statement, not the particular\narrangement of words used to express it. So "God exists" and "There exists a\nGod" both express the same proposition.\n\nAn argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, "a connected series of\nstatements to establish a definite proposition". An argument consists of\nthree stages.\n\nFirst of all, the propositions which are necessary for the argument to\ncontinue are stated. These are called the premises of the argument. They\nare the evidence or reasons for accepting the argument and its conclusions. \n\nPremises (or assertions) are often indicated by phrases such as "because",\n"since", "obviously" and so on. (The phrase "obviously" is often viewed with\nsuspicion, as it can be used to intimidate others into accepting suspicious\npremises. If something doesn\'t seem obvious to you, don\'t be afraid to\nquestion it. You can always say "Oh, yes, you\'re right, it is obvious" when\nyou\'ve heard the explanation.)\n\nNext, the premises are used to derive further propositions by a process known\nas inference. In inference, one proposition is arrived at on the basis of\none or more other propositions already accepted. There are various forms of\nvalid inference.\n\nThe propositions arrived at by inference may then be used in further\ninference. Inference is often denoted by phrases such as "implies that" or\n"therefore".\n\nFinally, we arrive at the conclusion of the argument -- the proposition which\nis affirmed on the basis of the premises and inference. Conclusions are often\nindicated by phrases such as "therefore", "it follows that", "we conclude"\nand so on. The conclusion is often stated as the final stage of inference.\n\nFor example:\n\nEvery event has a cause (premise)\nThe universe has a beginning (premise)\nAll beginnings involve an event (premise)\nThis implies that the beginning of the universe involved an event (inference)\nTherefore the universe has a cause (inference and conclusion)\n\nNote that the conclusion of one argument might be a premise in another\nargument. A proposition can only be called a premise or a conclusion with\nrespect to a particular argument; the terms do not make sense in isolation.\n\nSometimes an argument will not follow the order given above; for example,\nthe conclusions might be stated first and the premises stated \nafterwards in support of the conclusion. This is perfectly valid, if \nsometimes a little confusing.\n\nRecognizing an argument is much harder than recognizing premises or\nconclusions. Many people shower their writing with assertions without ever\nproducing anything which one might reasonably describe as an argument. Some\nstatements look like arguments, but are not. For example:\n\n"If the Bible is accurate, Jesus must either have been insane, an evil liar,\n or the Son of God."\n\nThis is not an argument, it is a conditional statement. It does not assert\nthe premises which are necessary to support what appears to be its \nconclusion. (It also suffers from a number of other logical flaws, but we\'ll\ncome to those later.)\n\nAnother example:\n\n"God created you; therefore do your duty to God."\n\nThe phrase "do your duty to God" is not a proposition, since it is neither\ntrue nor false. Therefore it is not a conclusion, and the sentence is not an\nargument.\n\nFinally, causality is important. Consider a statement of the form "A because\nB". If we\'re interested in establishing A and B is offered as evidence, the\nstatement is an argument. If we\'re trying to establish the truth of B, then\nit is not an argument, it is an explanation.\n\nFor example:\n\n"There must be something wrong with the engine of my car, because it will not\n start." -- This is an argument.\n\n"My car will not start because there is something wrong with the engine."\n -- This is an explanation.\n\nThere are two traditional types of argument, deductive and inductive. A\ndeductive argument is one which provides conclusive proof of its conclusions\n-- that is, an argument where if the premises are true, the conclusion must\nalso be true. A deductive argument is either valid or invalid. A valid\nargument is defined as one where if the premises are true, then the\nconclusion is true.\n\nAn inductive argument is one where the premises provide some evidence for the\ntruth of the conclusion. Inductive arguments are not valid or invalid;\nhowever, we can talk about whether they are better or worse than other\narguments, and about how probable their premises are.\n\nThere are forms of argument in ordinary language which are neither deductive\nnor inductive. However, we will concentrate for the moment on deductive\narguments, as they are often viewed as the most rigorous and convincing.\n\nIt is important to note that the fact that a deductive argument is valid does\nnot imply that its conclusion holds. This is because of the slightly \ncounter-intuitive nature of implication, which we must now consider more\ncarefully.\n\nObviously a valid argument can consist of true propositions. However, an\nargument may be entirely valid even if it contains only false propositions. \nFor example:\n\n All insects have wings (premise)\n Woodlice are insects (premise)\n Therefore woodlice have wings (conclusion)\n\nHere, the conclusion is not true because the argument\'s premises are false. \nIf the argument\'s premises were true, however, the conclusion would be true. \nThe argument is thus entirely valid.\n\nMore subtly, we can reach a true conclusion from one or more false premises,\nas in:\n\n All fish live in the sea (premise)\n Dolphins are fish (premise)\n Therefore dolphins live in the sea (conclusion)\n\nHowever, the one thing we cannot do is reach a false conclusion through valid\ninference from true premises. We can therefore draw up a "truth table" for\nimplication.\n\nThe symbol "=>" denotes implication; "A" is the premise, "B" the conclusion. \n"T" and "F" represent true and false respectively.\n\nPremise Conclusion Inference\n A B A=>B\n----------------------------\n F F T If the premises are false and the inference\n F T T valid, the conclusion can be true or false.\n\n T F F If the premises are true and the conclusion\n false, the inference must be invalid.\n\n T T T If the premises are true and the inference valid,\n the conclusion must be true.\n\nA sound argument is a valid argument whose premises are true. A sound \nargument therefore arrives at a true conclusion. Be careful not to confuse\nvalid arguments with sound arguments.\n\nTo delve further into the structure of logical arguments would require\nlengthy discussion of linguistics and philosophy. It is simpler and probably\nmore useful to summarize the major pitfalls to be avoided when constructing\nan argument. These pitfalls are known as fallacies.\n\nIn everyday English the term "fallacy" is used to refer to mistaken beliefs\nas well as to the faulty reasoning that leads to those beliefs. This is fair\nenough, but in logic the term is generally used to refer to a form of\ntechnically incorrect argument, especially if the argument appears valid or\nconvincing.\n\nSo for the purposes of this discussion, we define a fallacy as a logical\nargument which appears to be correct, but which can be seen to be incorrect\nwhen examined more closely. By studying fallacies we aim to avoid being\nmisled by them. The following list of fallacies is not intended to be\nexhaustive.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD BACULUM (APPEAL TO FORCE)\n\nThe Appeal to Force is committed when the arguer resorts to force or the\nthreat of force in order to try and push the acceptance of a conclusion. It\nis often used by politicians, and can be summarized as "might makes right". \nThe force threatened need not be a direct threat from the arguer.\n\nFor example:\n"... Thus there is ample proof of the truth of the Bible. All those who\nrefuse to accept that truth will burn in Hell."\n\nARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM\n\nArgumentum ad hominem is literally "argument directed at the man".\n\nThe Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when, instead of trying\nto disprove the truth of an assertion, the arguer attacks the person or\npeople making the assertion. This is invalid because the truth of an\nassertion does not depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.\n\nFor example:\n"Atheism is an evil philosophy. It is practised by Communists and murderers."\n\nSometimes in a court of law doubt is cast upon the testimony of a witness by \nshowing, for example, that he is a known perjurer. This is a valid way of\nreducing the credibility of the testimony given by the witness, and not\nargumentum ad hominem; however, it does not demonstrate that the witness\'s\ntestimony is false. To conclude otherwise is to fall victim of the\nArgumentum ad Ignorantiam (see elsewhere in this list).\n\nThe circumstantial form of Argumentum ad Hominem is committed when a person\nargues that his opponent ought to accept the truth of an assertion because of\nthe opponent\'s particular circumstances.\n\nFor example:\n"It is perfectly acceptable to kill animals for food. How can you argue\notherwise when you\'re quite happy to wear leather shoes?"\n\nThis is an abusive charge of inconsistency, used as an excuse for dismissing\nthe opponent\'s argument.\n\nThis fallacy can also be used as a means of rejecting a conclusion. For \nexample:\n\n"Of course you would argue that positive discrimination is a bad thing. \nYou\'re white."\n\nThis particular form of Argumentum ad Hominem, when one alleges that one\'s\nadversary is rationalizing a conclusion formed from selfish interests, is\nalso known as "poisoning the well".\n\nARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM\n\nArgumentum ad ignorantium means "argument from ignorance". This fallacy\noccurs whenever it is argued that something must be true simply because it\nhas not been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that\nsomething must be false because it has not been proved true. (Note that this\nis not the same as assuming that something is false until it has been proved\ntrue, a basic scientific principle.)\n\nExamples:\n"Of course the Bible is true. Nobody can prove otherwise."\n\n"Of course telepathy and other psychic phenomena do not exist. Nobody has\nshown any proof that they are real."\n\nNote that this fallacy does not apply in a court of law, where one is\ngenerally assumed innocent until proven guilty.\n\nAlso, in scientific investigation if it is known that an event would produce\ncertain evidence of its having occurred, the absence of such evidence can \nvalidly be used to infer that the event did not occur. For example:\n\n"A flood as described in the Bible would require an enormous volume of water\nto be present on the earth. The earth does not have a tenth as much water,\neven if we count that which is frozen into ice at the poles. Therefore no\nsuch flood occurred."\n\nIn science, we can validly assume from lack of evidence that something has\nnot occurred. We cannot conclude with certainty that it has not occurred,\nhowever.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD MISERICORDIAM\n\nThis is the Appeal to Pity, also known as Special Pleading. The fallacy is \ncommitted when the arguer appeals to pity for the sake of getting a \nconclusion accepted. For example:\n\n"I did not murder my mother and father with an axe. Please don\'t find me\nguilty; I\'m suffering enough through being an orphan."\n\nARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM\n\nThis is known as Appealing to the Gallery, or Appealing to the People. To\ncommit this fallacy is to attempt to win acceptance of an assertion by\nappealing to a large group of people. This form of fallacy is often\ncharacterized by emotive language. For example:\n\n"Pornography must be banned. It is violence against women."\n\n"The Bible must be true. Millions of people know that it is. Are you trying\nto tell them that they are all mistaken fools?"\n\nARGUMENTUM AD NUMERAM\n\nThis fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of\nasserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more\nlikely it is that that proposition is correct.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD VERECUNDIAM\n\nThe Appeal to Authority uses the admiration of the famous to try and win\nsupport for an assertion. For example:\n\n"Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God."\n\nThis line of argument is not always completely bogus; for example, reference\nto an admitted authority in a particular field may be relevant to a\ndiscussion of that subject. For example, we can distinguish quite clearly\nbetween:\n\n"Stephen Hawking has concluded that black holes give off radiation"\nand\n"John Searle has concluded that it is impossible to build an intelligent\n computer"\n\nHawking is a physicist, and so we can reasonably expect his opinions on black\nhole radiation to be informed. Searle is a linguist, so it is questionable \nwhether he is well-qualified to speak on the subject of machine intelligence.\n\nTHE FALLACY OF ACCIDENT\n\nThe Fallacy of Accident is committed when a general rule is applied to a\nparticular case whose "accidental" circumstances mean that the rule is\ninapplicable. It is the error made when one goes from the general to the\nspecific. For example:\n\n"Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must\ndislike atheists."\n\nThis fallacy is often committed by moralists and legalists who try to decide\nevery moral and legal question by mechanically applying general rules.\n\nCONVERSE ACCIDENT / HASTY GENERALIZATION\n\nThis fallacy is the reverse of the fallacy of accident. It occurs when one\nforms a general rule by examining only a few specific cases which are not\nrepresentative of all possible cases.\n\nFor example:\n"Jim Bakker was an insincere Christian. Therefore all Christians are\ninsincere."\n\nSWEEPING GENERALIZATION / DICTO SIMPLICITER\n\nA sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a\nparticular situation in which the features of that particular situation\nrender the rule inapplicable. A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a\nhasty generalization.\n\nNON CAUSA PRO CAUSA / POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC\n\nThese are known as False Cause fallacies.\n\nThe fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa occurs when one identifies something as the\ncause of an event but it has not actually been shown to be the cause. For \nexample:\n\n"I took an aspirin and prayed to God, and my headache disappeared. So God\ncured me of the headache."\n\nThe fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc occurs when something is assumed to\nbe the cause of an event merely because it happened before the event. For \nexample:\n\n"The Soviet Union collapsed after taking up atheism. Therefore we must avoid\natheism for the same reasons."\n\nCUM HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC\n\nThis fallacy is similar to post hoc ergo propter hoc. It asserts that\nbecause two events occur together, they must be causally related, and leaves\nno room for other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events.\n\nPETITIO PRINCIPII\n\nThis fallacy occurs when the premises are at least as questionable as the\nconclusion reached.\n\nCIRCULUS IN DEMONSTRANDO\n\nThis fallacy occurs when one assumes as a premise the conclusion which one\nwishes to reach. Often, the proposition will be rephrased so that the\nfallacy appears to be a valid argument. For example:\n\n"Homosexuals must not be allowed to hold government office. Hence any\ngovernment official who is revealed to be a homosexual will lose his job. \nTherefore homosexuals will do anything to hide their secret, and will be open\nto blackmail. Therefore homosexuals cannot be allowed to hold government\noffice."\n\nNote that the argument is entirely circular; the premise is the same as the \nconclusion. An argument like the above has actually been cited as the reason\nfor the British Secret Services\' official ban on homosexual employees. \nAnother example is the classic:\n\n"We know that God exists because the Bible tells us so. And we know that the\nBible is true because it is the word of God."\n\nCOMPLEX QUESTION / FALLACY OF INTERROGATION\n\nThis is the Fallacy of Presupposition. One example is the classic loaded \nquestion:\n\n"Have you stopped beating your wife?"\n\nThe question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not\neven been asked. This trick is often used by lawyers in cross-examination,\nwhen they ask questions like:\n\n"Where did you hide the money you stole?"\n\nSimilarly, politicians often ask loaded questions such as:\n\n"How long will this EC interference in our affairs be allowed to continue?"\nor\n"Does the Chancellor plan two more years of ruinous privatization?"\n\nIGNORATIO ELENCHI\n\nThe fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument \nsupports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do\nwith that conclusion.\n\nFor example, a Christian may begin by saying that he will argue that the\nteachings of Christianity are undoubtably true. If he then argues at length\nthat Christianity is of great help to many people, no matter how well he\nargues he will not have shown that Christian teachings are true.\n\nSadly, such fallacious arguments are often successful because they arouse\nemotions which cause others to view the supposed conclusion in a more\nfavourable light.\n\nEQUIVOCATION\n\nEquivocation occurs when a key word is used with two or more different\nmeanings in the same argument. For example:\n\n"What could be more affordable than free software? But to make sure that it\nremains free, that users can do what they like with it, we must place a\nlicense on it to make sure that will always be freely redistributable."\n\nAMPHIBOLY\n\nAmphiboly occurs when the premises used in an argument are ambiguous because\nof careless or ungrammatical phrasing.\n\nACCENT\n\nAccent is another form of fallacy through shifting meaning. In this case,\nthe meaning is changed by altering which parts of a statement are\nemphasized. For example, consider:\n\n"We should not speak ILL of our friends"\nand\n"We should not speak ill of our FRIENDS"\n\nFALLACIES OF COMPOSITION\n\nOne fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property shared by the parts\nof something must apply to the whole. For example:\n\n"The bicycle is made entirely of low mass components, and is therefore very \nlightweight."\n\nThe other fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property of a number\nof individual items is shared by a collection of those items. For example:\n\n"A car uses less petrol and causes less pollution than a bus. Therefore cars\nare less environmentally damaging than buses."\n\nFALLACY OF DIVISION\n\nThe fallacy of division is the opposite of the fallacy of composition. Like\nits opposite, it exists in two varieties. The first is to assume that a\nproperty of some thing must apply to its parts. For example:\n\n"You are studying at a rich college. Therefore you must be rich."\n\nThe other is to assume that a property of a collection of items is shared by\neach item. For example:\n\n"Ants can destroy a tree. Therefore this ant can destroy a tree."\n\nTHE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT\n\nThis argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful\nevents. There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the\nfirst event.\n\nFor example:\n"If we legalize marijuana, then we would have to legalize crack and heroin\nand we\'ll have a nation full of drug-addicts on welfare. Therefore we cannot\nlegalize marijuana."\n\n"A IS BASED ON B" FALLACIES / "IS A TYPE OF" FALLACIES\n\nThese fallacies occur when one attempts to argue that things are in some way\nsimilar without actually specifying in what way they are similar.\n\nExamples:\n"Isn\'t history based upon faith? If so, then isn\'t the Bible also a form of\nhistory?"\n\n"Islam is based on faith, Christianity is based on faith, so isn\'t Islam a\nform of Christianity?"\n\n"Cats are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, dogs are a form of\nanimal based on carbon chemistry, so aren\'t dogs a form of cat?"\n\nAFFIRMATION OF THE CONSEQUENT\n\nThis fallacy is an argument of the form "A implies B, B is true, therefore A\nis true". To understand why it is a fallacy, examine the truth table for\nimplication given earlier.\n\nDENIAL OF THE ANTECEDENT\n\nThis fallacy is an argument of the form "A implies B, A is false, therefore B\nis false". Again, the truth table for implication makes it clear why this is\na fallacy.\n\nNote that this fallacy is different from Non Causa Pro Causa; the latter has\nthe form "A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false", where A does NOT in\nfact imply B at all. Here, the problem is not that the implication is\ninvalid; rather it is that the falseness of A does not allow us to deduce\nanything about B.\n\nCONVERTING A CONDITIONAL\n\nThis fallacy is an argument of the form "If A then B, therefore if B then A".\n\nARGUMENTUM AD ANTIQUITAM\n\nThis is the fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply\nbecause it is old, or because "that\'s the way it\'s always been."\n\nARGUMENTUM AD NOVITAM\n\nThis is the opposite of the argumentum ad antiquitam; it is the fallacy of\nasserting that something is more correct simply because it is new or newer\nthan something else.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD CRUMENAM\n\nThe fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of correctness; that those\nwith more money are more likely to be right.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD LAZARUM\n\nThe fallacy of assuming that because someone is poor he or she is sounder or\nmore virtuous than one who is wealthier. This fallacy is the opposite of the\nargumentum ad crumenam.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD NAUSEAM\n\nThis is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the\nmore often it is heard. An "argumentum ad nauseum" is one that employs\nconstant repetition in asserting something.\n\nBIFURCATION\n\nAlso referred to as the "black and white" fallacy, bifurcation occurs when\none presents a situation as having only two alternatives, where in fact other\nalternatives exist or can exist.\n\nPLURIUM INTERROGATIONUM / MANY QUESTIONS\n\nThis fallacy occurs when a questioner demands a simple answer to a complex\nquestion.\n\nNON SEQUITUR\n\nA non-sequitur is an argument where the conclusion is drawn from premises\nwhich are not logically connected with it.\n\nRED HERRING\n\nThis fallacy is committed when irrelevant material is introduced to the issue\nbeing discussed, so that everyone\'s attention is diverted away from the\npoints being made, towards a different conclusion.\n\nREIFICATION / HYPOSTATIZATION\n\nReification occurs when an abstract concept is treated as a concrete thing.\n\nSHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF\n\nThe burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or\nproposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad\nignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who\ndenies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is\nthe assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.\n\nSTRAW MAN\n\nThe straw man fallacy is to misrepresent someone else\'s position so that it\ncan be attacked more easily, then to knock down that misrepresented position,\nthen to conclude that the original position has been demolished. It is a\nfallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been\nmade.\n\nTHE EXTENDED ANALOGY\n\nThe fallacy of the Extended Analogy often occurs when some suggested general\nrule is being argued over. The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two \ndifferent situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a \nclaim that those situations are analogous to each other.\n\nThis fallacy is best explained using a real example from a debate about \nanti-cryptography legislation:\n\n"I believe it is always wrong to oppose the law by breaking it."\n\n"Such a position is odious: it implies that you would not have supported\n Martin Luther King."\n\n"Are you saying that cryptography legislation is as important as the\n struggle for Black liberation? How dare you!"\n\nTU QUOQUE\n\nThis is the famous "you too" fallacy. It occurs when an action is argued to\nbe acceptable because the other party has performed it. For instance:\n\n"You\'re just being randomly abusive."\n"So? You\'ve been abusive too."\n\nÿ\n',
'From: Kurt Godden <godden@gmr.com>\nSubject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car\nOrganization: GM R&D\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ksg.cs.gmr.com\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F46B03C301085E@ksg.cs.gmr.com>\nX-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:54:11 GMT\n\nThis appeared today in the \n\nThe Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car\nin the US for sale in Japan. Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate\nCommunications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith\nhad a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota. \nthis meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM\nexports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed\nvehicle sales,\nparts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an\narrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive\nvehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan. A working group has been\nformed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details.\n',
"From: shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite)\nSubject: Re: Searching for xgolf\nOrganization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville\nLines: 4\n\n The xgolf program was an April Fool's joke <sigh>.\n\nSteve Hite\nshite@sinkhole.unf.edu\n",
'From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Leaf slump over\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 79\n\nIn <1993Apr13.190225.29001@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n\n\n>On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham\n>Hudson):\n\n>>You don\'t think he is performing "under pressure" now? The major\n>>differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play-\n>>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You\n>>play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this\n>>what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you\n>>mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of\n>>this drivel, simply half-baked?\n\n>This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who\n>would like to check.\n\n>He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased]\n\n>>"Playoff hockey" is just an expression used by announcers to convince\n>>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better\n>>product than a regular-season game.\n\n>*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> \n>(Roger Maynard) writes:\n\n>>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters\n>>what playoff hockey is all about. \n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n>So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient\n>phrase to use in certain circumstances only?\n\n>You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later\n>it catches up with you....\n\nNice try Deepak, but "tough Whaler squad" should have clued you in to the\nfact that my Leaf woofing was tongue-in-cheek.\n\nIf playoff hockey is any more intense than the regular season variety then\nit is because the teams are facing each other at least 4 consecutive times\nin 7 days and hockey being the contact sport that it is, some things will\nbe carried over that might dissipate during the regular season. But that is\nonly for some of the players. Many of the rest, who have been playing with\ninjuries, who miss their families, or who, like Grant Fuhr, would really\nrather be playing golf, don\'t really give a damn. Of course I can\'t say this\nfor sure, but I believe that this is fairly typical of human nature and I\ndon\'t think that hockey players are above having what I consider typically\nhuman attitudes. \n\nWith the recent salary escalations the key players are actually losing \nmoney by participating in the playoffs. The ones who regard the playoff\n"take" as some kind of a bonanza are fringe players who are unlikely\nto consistently be a force in the playoffs. Now I know some of you are\ngoing to come back with "winning spirit" and all of that crap but these\nplayers are professionals after all. While they may love to play the \ngame that love is entirely incidental to their purpose, which is, to make\na decent living. \n\nOf course, the coach is a professional as well, and part of what he is \nbeing paid to do is motivate the players. So, if the coach does his\njob well enough the players may respond with a winning effort.\n\nThe second season, is after all, merely an exhibition. The true Champions\nof the league are the division winners, the teams that come out on top \nafter the long struggle of the season. The Stanley cup playoffs merely\naccord victory to the team that has remained healthy and "hot". The \nemphasis on the playoffs, with their "sudden death" appeal has been promoted\nby the media and the owners with profit purely in mind. Even if Pittsburgh\nloses the playoffs, we all know that they were really the best team in the\nleague over the year. They proved it.\n\ncordially, as always,\n\nrm\n\n-- \nRoger Maynard \nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n',
'From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Not the Omni!\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 18\n\nCharley Wingate (mangoe@cs.umd.edu) wrote:\n: \n: >> Please enlighten me. How is omnipotence contradictory?\n: \n: >By definition, all that can occur in the universe is governed by the rules\n: >of nature. Thus god cannot break them. Anything that god does must be allowed\n: >in the rules somewhere. Therefore, omnipotence CANNOT exist! It contradicts\n: >the rules of nature.\n: \n: Obviously, an omnipotent god can change the rules.\n\nWhen you say, "By definition", what exactly is being defined;\ncertainly not omnipotence. You seem to be saying that the "rules of\nnature" are pre-existant somehow, that they not only define nature but\nactually cause it. If that\'s what you mean I\'d like to hear your\nfurther thoughts on the question.\n\nBill\n',
'From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)\nSubject: Re: note to Bobby M.\nOrganization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre\nLines: 14\nDistribution: sfnet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi\n\nIn <1993Apr10.191100.16094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n>Insults about the atheistic genocide was totally unintentional. Under\n>atheism, anything can happen, good or bad, including genocide.\n\nAnd you know why this is? Because you\'ve conveniently _defined_ a theist as\nsomeone who can do no wrong, and you\'ve _defined_ people who do wrong as\natheists. The above statement is circular (not to mention bigoting), and,\nas such, has no value.\n-- \nSami Aario | "Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode\na137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."\n-------------------\' "Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"\nEros in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" DISCLAIMER: I don\'t agree with Eros.\n',
'From: egb7390@ucs.usl.edu (Boutte Erika G)\nSubject: M. contagiosem\nOrganization: The Wild Wacky World of Dolly Parton Clones in Zero Gravity \nLines: 16\n\n\nI was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem.\nI acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers\nin my mind: Where did it come from? The little bit of info that I have \nreceived about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but\nalso occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia.\n\nAny information will be greatly appreciated.\n\n\n\n"I grow old, I grow old;\nI shall wear my trousers rolled."\n\n -T. S. Eliot\n\n',
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'From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford)\nSubject: Selling Riding Lawn Mower\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: nj\nSummary: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale\nLines: 26\n\n\n\n\t1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER\n\n\tThis mower is in perfect condition and\n\tcontains the following features:\n\n\t- Electric Start\n\t- 26 inch cut\n\t- Double Rear Baggers\n\t- New Battery\n\t- New Engine (one year old)\n\t- Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride)\n\t- Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride)\n\n\tI am moving into a house that has a\n\tsmall area of grass to cut and does not\n\trequire such large mower. The engine was\n\treplaced, not rebuilt, last year due to\n\tsome faulty work done by a lawn mower\n\trepair shop.\n\n\tPRICE: $600.00\n\tPHONE: 908-582-7028 (Leave Message)\n\n\n',
'From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca\nSubject: Re: document of .RTF\nOrganization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <1993Mar30.113436.7339@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, tjyu@eve.kaist.ac.kr (Yu TaiJung) writes:\n> Does anybody have document of .RTF file or know where I can get it?\n> \n> Thanks in advance. :)\n\nI got one from Microsoft tech support.\n\n-- \nSterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA or bjorndahl@camrose.uucp\nAugustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1100\n',
"From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu\nSubject: My computer gets locked!! HELP!!!!!!\nOrganization: Western Michigan University\nLines: 17\n\n\nA weird thing has happened to my computer lately,\nit gets locked (stops doing anything) at any instance\nwithout any reason whatsover. I might be using \nEdit and gets locked, or i might be at the prompt\nat the same occurs. It happens almost once every 3 times\ni connect the computer, Does Anyone have the slight idea\nwhat's wrong with it?\n\n(If i try to use CTRL-ALT-DEL after that, no response. I have\nto turn it off and back on again)\n\nThanks. Any help will be really appreciated.\n\nE-mail if possible as sometimes i can't access this service.\n\nEnrique\n",
'From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)\nSubject: NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-19-93\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: Division semis game one\nLines: 77\n\n\n\nNHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/19/93.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS BEST OF SEVEN\n PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE\n \n NJ BUF (leads 1-0) STL (leads 1-0) WIN \n PIT (leads 1-0) BOS CHI VAN (leads 1-0)\n\n NYI MON TOR LA (leads 1-0) \n WAS (leads 1-0) QUE (leads 1-0) DET (leads 1-0) CAL \n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nToronto Maple Leafs 1 1 1 - 3\nDetroit Red Wings (leads series 1-0) 1 4 1 - 6\n\n1st period: DET, Yzerman 1 - (Gallant, Ciccarelli) 4:48\n\t TOR, Cullen 1 - (Clark, Gill) 10:44\n\n2nd period: DET, Sheppard 1 - (Probert, Coffey) (pp) 5:04\n\t DET, Burr 1 - (Racine) (sh) 6;42\n\t DET, Chiasson 1 - (Coffey) (pp) 11:00\n\t DET, Howe 1 - (Yzerman, Drake) 14;46\n\t TOR, Gilmour 1 - (Borschevsky, Ellett) (pp) 19:59\n\n3rd period: DET, Racine 1 - (Primeau, Drake) 5:10\n\t TOR, Lefebvre 1 - (Cullen, Pearson) 7:45\n\nPowerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 5\n\t\t\tRed Wings 2 of 6\n\nShots on Goal-\tMaple Leafs 5 9 9 - 23\n\t\tRed Wings 13 8 12 - 33\n\nToronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (0-1) (33 shots - 27 saves)\nDetroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (1-0) (23 shots - 20 saves)\n\nATT-19,875\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWinnipeg Jets 1 0 1 - 2\nVancouver Canucks (leads series 1-0) 2 0 2 - 4\n\n1st period: VAN, Adams 1 - (Linden, Bure) (pp) 1:23\n\t VAN, Craven 1 - (Bure, Murzyn) 9:56\n\t WIN, Steen 1 - (Shannon, Housley) (pp) 17:53\n\n2nd period: NONE\n\n3rd period: WIN, King 1 - (Barnes) 3:43\n\t VAN, Linden 1 - (Courtnall, McLean) 12:16\n\t VAN, Ronning 1 - (Courtnall) 18:31\n\nPowerplay Opportunities-Jets 1 of 3\n\t\t\tCanucks 1 of 6\n\nShots on Goal-\tJets 7 5 10 - 22\n\t\tCanucks 9 12 12 - 33\n\nWinnipeg Jets--Essensa (0-1) (33 shots - 29 saves)\nVancouver Canucks--McLean (1-0) (22 shots - 20 saves)\n\nATT-15,918\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\\|||||/\n-SPIKE-\n\n\n\n',
"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Minority Abuses in Greece.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 201\n\nIn article <C60B63.G2M@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:\n\n> Well, ZUMABOT claims just the opposite: That Greeks are not allowing\n>Turks to exit the country. Now, explain this: The number of Turks in\n>Thrace has steadily risen from 50,000 in 23 to 80,000, while the Greeks of\n\nDr. Goebels thought that a lie repeated enough times could finally \nbe believed. I have been observing that 'Poly' has been practicing \nGoebels' rule quite loyally. 'Poly's audience is mostly made of Greeks \nwho are not allowed to listen to Turkish news. However, in today's \ninformed world Greek propagandists can only fool themselves. For \ninstance, those who lived in 1974 will remember the TV news they \nwatched and the newspapers they read and the younger generation can \nread the American newspapers of July and August 1974 to find out what \nreally happened. \n\nThere are in Turkiye the Greek Hospital, The Greek Girls' Lycee \nAlumni Association, the Principo Islands Greek Benevolent Society, \nthe Greek Medical Foundation, the Principo Greek Orphanage Foundation, \nthe Yovakimion Greek Girls' Lycee Foundation, and the Fener Greek \nMen's Lycee Foundation. \n\nAs for Greece, the longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' \nin titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts \nhave ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, \nthe Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti \nTurkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks\nin Western Thrace. Such community associations had been \nactive until 1984. But they were first told to remove\nthe word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official\npapers and then eventually close down. This is also the \nfinal verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court.\n\nIn the city of Komotini, a former Greek Parliamentarian of Turkish\nparentage, was sentenced recently to 18 months of imprisonment\nwith no right to appeal, just for saying outloud that he was\nof Turkish descent. This duly-elected ethnic Turkish official\nwas also deprived of his political rights for a period of three \nyears. Each one of these barbaric acts seems to be none other than \na vehicle, used by the Greek governments, to cover-up their inferiority \ncomplex they display, vis-a-vis, the people of Turkiye. \n\nThe Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,' \nwhich demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference \nto 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the \nexistence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the \nessential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger \nTurkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the \nthree nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of \nthemselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized \naccording to the agreements? Poor 'Poly.'\n\nIt also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece \nand the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world.\nThe Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish\nminority. They pursue the same denial in connection with \nthe Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition,\nin 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091,\nvirtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and\nother charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting\nreligious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek \ngovernments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective\nof the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although\nthe Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in\nGreece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing\nits religious leaders. Talk about democracy.\n\nThe government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic \nconvention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an \nattitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a \nviolation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' \nGreek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection \nof historical monuments. \n\nThe government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new \nchurches in remote villages as a complementary step toward \nHellenizing the region.\n\nAnd you pondered. Sidiropoulos, the president of the Macedonian Human \nRights Committee, became the latest victim of a tactic long used by \nthe Greeks to silence critics of policies of forced assimilation \nof the Macedonian minority. A forestry official by occupation, \nSidiropoulos has been sent to 'internal exile' on the island of \nKefalonia, hundreds of kilometers away from his native Florina. \nHis employer, the Florina City Council, asked him to depart in \n24 hours. The Greek authorities are trying to punish him for his \ninvolvement in Copenhagen. He returned to Florina by his own choice \nand remains without a job. \n\nHelsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating \nthe plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their \nfindings were published in a report titled \n\n 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'\n\nThe report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the \nTurkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, \nthe Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in \nKomotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against \nthe Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the \nLausanne Convention. \n\nThe Turkish cemeteries in the village of Vafeika and in Pinarlik\nwere attacked, and tombstones were broken. The cemetery in\nKarotas was razed by bulldozers.\n\nShall I go on? Why not? The people of Turkiye are not going \nto take human rights lessons from the Greek Government. The \ndiscussion of human rights violations in Greece does not \nstop at the Greek frontier. In several following articles \nI shall dwell on and expose the Greek treatment of Turks\nin Western Thrace and the Aegean Macedonians.\n\nIt has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration \nhas an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made \nplans to supply it with the tanks and armored vehicles it \nhas to destroy in accordance with the agreement reached on \nconventional arms reductions in Europe. Meanwhile, Greek \nand Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have planned \nto take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the \ntransfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern \nCyprus, a process that will conflict with the spirit of \nthe agreement on conventional arms reduction in Europe.\n\nAn acceptable method may certainly be found when there\nis a will. But we know of various kinds of violent\nbehaviors ranging from physical attacks to the burning\nof buildings. The rugs at the Amfia village mosque were \ndragged out to the front of the building and burnt there. \nShots were fired on the mosque in the village of Aryana.\n\nNow wait, there is more.\n\n 'Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Inedited\n Documents and Evidence of English and French Officers,' Published by\n The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne, Lausanne,\n Imprimerie Petter, Giesser & Held, Caroline, 5 (1919).\n\n pages 82-83:\n\n<< 1. The train going from Denizli to Smyrna was stopped at Ephesus\n and the 90 Turkish travellers, men and women who were in it ordered\n to descend. And there in the open street, under the eyes of their\n husbands, fathers and brothers, the women without distinction of age\n were violated, and then all the travellers were massacred. Amongst\n the latter the Lieutenant Salih Effendi, a native of Tripoli, and a\n captain whose name is not known, and to whom the Hellenic authorities\n had given safe conduct, were killed with specially atrocious tortures.\n\n 2. Before the battle, the wife of the lawyer Enver Bey coming from\n her garden was maltreated by Greek soldiers, she was even stript\n of her garments and her servant Assie was violated.\n\n 3. The two tax gatherers Mustapha and Ali Effendi were killed in the\n following manner: Their arms were bound behind their backs with wire\n and their heads were battered and burst open with blows from the butt\n end of a gun.\n\n 4. During the firing of the town, eleven children, six little girls\n and five boys, fleeing from the flames, were stopped by Greek soldiers\n in the Ramazan Pacha quarter, and thrown into a burning Jewish house\n near bridge, where they were burnt alive. This fact is confirmed on oath\n by the retired commandant Hussein Hussni Effendi who saw it.\n\n 5. The clock-maker Ahmed Effendi and his son Sadi were arrested and\n dragged out of their shop. The son had his eyes put out and was then\n killed in the court of the Greek Church, but Ahmed Effendi has been\n no more heard of.\n\n 6. At the market, during the fire, two unknown people were wounded\n by bayonets, then bound together, thrown into the fire and burnt alive.\n\n The Greeks killed also many Jews. These are the names of some:\n\n Moussa Malki, shoemaker killed\n Bohor Levy, tailor killed\n Bohor Israel, cobbler killed\n Isaac Calvo, shoemaker killed\n David Aroguete killed\n Moussa Lerosse killed\n Gioia Katan killed\n Meryem Malki killed\n Soultan Gharib killed\n Isaac Sabah wounded\n Moche Fahmi wounded\n David Sabah wounded\n Moise Bensignor killed\n Sarah Bendi killed\n Jacob Jaffe wounded\n Aslan Halegna wounded....>>\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n",
'From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch)\nSubject: Glutamate\nOrganization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <lso15qINNkpr@news.bbn.com> sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes:\n> From the N.E.J.Med. editorial: "The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate\n> is not only an essential amino acid ...\n\nGlutamate is not an essential amino acid. People can survive quite well\nwithout ever eating any.\n-- \nKeith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com\n\nf p=2,3:2 s q=1 x "f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!\'q s q=p#f" w:q p,?$x\\8+1*8\n',
"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: Blast them next time\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 22\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:\n\n> The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored\n> transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use\n> more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to\n> do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they\n> must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.\n\nThe BATF is there to collect taxes, not to protect your sorry ass or mine.\n\n> With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed\n> more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is\n> the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. \n\nAll flame-bait, of course. If you really want to be flame bait, send me\nyour address and I'll tell the BATF about those automatic weapons you\nhave stockpiled. You'll be warm in no time.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n",
'From: un034214@wvnvms.wvnet.edu\nSubject: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ?\nOrganization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing\nLines: 21\n\nI am trying to convert an m-motion (IBM) video file format YUV to RGB \ndata...\n\nTHE Y portion is a byte from 0-255\nTHE V is a byte -127-127\nTHe color is U and V\nand the intensity is Y\n\nDOes anyone have any ideas for algorhtyms or programs ?\n\nCan someone tell me where to get info on the U and V of a television signal ?\n\nIF you need more info reply at the e-mail address...\nBasically what I am doing is converting a digital NTSC format to RGB (VGA)\nfor displaying captured video pictures.\n\nThanks.\n\n\nTHE U is a byte -127-127\n\n',
'From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....")\nSubject: Re: Israel\'s Expansion II\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 67\n\nwaldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:\n> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n> \n> > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:\n> > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n> > > \n> > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the\n> > > > Holocaust. I\'m not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more\n> > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). \n> > > \n> > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one\'s \n> > > "qualifications" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, \n> > > show it. If you don\'t, shut up. Simple as that.\n> > > \n> > > > \tI don\'t think the suffering of some Jews during WWII\n> > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any\n> > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is\n> > > > not appreciated.\n> > > \n> > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were \n> > > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against\n> > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy\n> > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to "cite qualifications" \n> > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go \n> > > back to the minors, junior.\n> > \tAll humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many\n> > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are\n> > so blinded by emotions that they can\'t see the facts. Thanks\n> > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of\n> > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since\n> > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could\n> > write. \n> \n> -----\n> When you\'re willing to actually support something you say with fact or \n> argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned \n> offense, let me know. Otherwise, back to your own league, son.\n I have never seen such immaturity among semitophiles. This\nAndi Beyer character shows no signs of anti semitism, yet\nbecause he deviates from the norm of accepted opinion, you\nattack him. Why did not anyone venture to answer Andi\'s\nquestion in an intelligent and unoffending manner? The only\nones guilty here of not backing up there viewpoints with fact\nare the Israelophiles. Now will we please start having some\nINTELLIGENT conversation? You all are an insult to you race!\n{assuming you are also semitic}\n\tNow I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism\nduring the 1930\'s and 1940\'s. The Hirgun, and other branch -\noff militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of\nPalestine. Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of\nterrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the\nArabs. These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British\nsoldiers, but not only thta also killed many Jews who were in\nfavor of a compromise with the Palestinians. In addition, they\nmassacred an entire Palestinian village in 1948, contributing\nto the exodus of the frightened Palestinians who feared their\nvery lives.\n\tI mention this not because I\'m anti semitic [I\'m part\nJewish] but because this self righteousness on the part of the\nIsraelites pisses me off so. I\'m not as critical of the\nPalestinians because they were indeed screwed over by the\nJews. It \'s a damn shame that the Palestinians had to pay for\nGerman and European anti semitism.\n\n\t\t\t\tPissed off at Immature,\n Closeminded, Self righteous\n\t\t\t\tSemites\n',
'From: kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny (Gene) Kilman)\nSubject: Re: USAToday ad ("family values")\nOrganization: Florida International University, Miami\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C4rzz2.47J@unix.portal.com> danb@shell.portal.com (Dan E Babcock) writes:\n>There was a funny ad in USAToday from "American Family Association".\n>I\'ll post a few choice parts for your enjoyment (all emphases is in\n>the ad; I\'m not adding anything). All the typos are mine. :)\n\n[Dan\'s article deleted]\n\nI found the same add in our local Sunday newspaper.\nThe add was placed in the ..... cartoon section!\nThe perfect place for it ! :-)\n\nY.K.\n\n\n\n',
'From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <C50wJJ.J4r@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:\n>In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:\n>>\n>>What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ??\n>\n>The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking\n>the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts.\n>If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit.\n\nThere certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of \na global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are, \nhowever, others (and, they are often far more visible/vocal than the \nformer) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force. \nI would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing \n"Islamicization" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same\napproach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side\'s\npower are certainly a threat.\n\nTo Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance\nof those *outside* its own "group". If I am told that "I am not one of\nyou" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat.\nIf I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic\nworld and *actively did not* accept my "minority" status, I *would also \ncertainly* see Islam\'s domination as having been acheived, and maintained, \nthrough the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities\nwithin their ranks.\n>>\n>>Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer.\n>\n>I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions:\n\nI am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian\nnationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way.\n>\n>1)why do jews who don\'t even believe in God (as is the case with many\n>of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more\n>than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land?\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t***\nFor the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous\nfor Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT. \n\n>2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of\n>the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel?\n\n[I refer to the "most" you also refer to] \nBecause they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that \nthis area *is* to some degree part of their belief/religion/heritage/\nidentity/etc.\n\nI too strongly object to those that justify Israeli "rule" \nof those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The "occupied territories" are not\nIsrael\'s to control, to keep, or to dominate.\n>\nTim\n\n\n',
'From: Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: none\nLines: 51\nIn-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au\'s message of 20 Apr 93 22:36:55 GMT\n\nIn article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:\n\n>Now, Space Marketing\n>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on\n>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth\n>orbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,\n>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates\n>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This\n>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of\n>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the\n>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone\n>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.\n\nHow could this possibly be "environmental vandalism" when there is no\n"environment" to vandalize up there?\n\nSince the advertising "is just to help defray costs", it\'s certainly no\nsurprise that "the taxpayers would bear most of the expense". Sounds\nlike a good idea to me, since the taxpayers would bear _all_ of the\nexpense if they didn\'t do the advertising.\n\n>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize\n>the night sky?\n\nGreat idea, they should have done it long ago.\n\n>What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that\n>it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).\n\nI can\'t believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant\neffect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day,\nbut nobody complains about that. Besides, it\'s in LEO, so it would only\nbe visible during twilight when the sky is already bright, and even if\nit would have some miniscule impact, it would be only for a short time\nas it goes zipping across the sky.\n\n>Are protesting groups being organized in the States?\n\nNo doubt. People are always looking for something to protest about, so\nit would be no surprise.\n\n>Really, really depressed.\n\nWell, look on the, er, bright side. Imagine the looks on the faces of\npeople in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up\nand see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D\n\n--\n\nJeff Cook Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\n',
'Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed\nFrom: oharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz\nDistribution: world\nLines: 28\n\n\nIn article <9304172194@jester.GUN.de>, michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) writes:\n> Holly KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote:\n>> My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with\n>> another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right \n>> on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ??\n> \n> The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. \n> \n> no jumper set: drive is alone\n> MA: drive is master\n> SL: drive is slave\n\nyo,yo,yo .\nthe western digital hd will hve it marked either s,m,a\nput jumper on the s "its printed on the circuitry underkneth it.\n\nhope i helped i had the same problem.\nbye..\nlater daze.\noharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz\n\n\n> \n> Michael\n> --\n> * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 *\n> * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 *\n',
'From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Installing RAM in a Quadra 800\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don\'t care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 55\n\ntruesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell) writes:\n\n>This is an aside to Brian Hughes\'s (please, let\'s lose the cute phony names\n>everybody) posting about adding memory to a Quadra 800.\n\n What phony names? My name is clearly visible in the headers, and I\nsing the post with my account name. If you have a problem with that,\nthen you will have to get over it. I\'ve used this account name for over\n10 years and the people who have been reading newsgroups for the last 7\ngenerally recognize "Hades" as my account name. I have no intention of\nchanging the way I post.\n\n>I installed a couple of 16MB SIMMs in my Quadra and was somewhat dismayed\n>by the general complexity of the operation compared to, for example, the\n>wonderfully designed LC III. It irritates me when Apple refuses to tell how\n>to do it in the User\'s Manual so you have to guess at how to disassemble\n>the devise in question (it\'s the same for adding memory to LaserWriter\n>Pro\'s).\n\n It isn\'t Apple\'s responsibility to tell its customers how to fool\naround with it\'s hardware. That is what Apple Service Techs get paid to\ndo. I personally like the design of the Q800, and applaud Apple for\ncoming up with a good way to make use of the front space for all of\nthose drive bays. I like it a lot better than the 900/950 design, except\nfor those people who need Drive Arrays. I do, however, agree with you\nabout the LW Pro design.\n\n>The operation isn\'t very complicated if even a minimal amount of help were\n>offered but Apple leaves you working blind.\n\n Again, its\'s not Apple\'s place to make it easy for non-certified\nservice people to fool around with Apple hardware, even if they did buy\nit. Of course you are free to do what you want to your Mac, just don\'t\nget upset when your Apple Service Rep tells you that your warranty is no\nlonger valid.\n\n>After the memory was installed I was distraught that the top of the SIMMs\n>came into contact with the plastic case frame. Mine actually contacted the\n>framework with quite a lot of pressure -- enough so that the assembly of\n>the board back to the proper position was rather difficult and required\n>some force. I could have filed a little excess material off the top of the\n>SIMM boards but chose to let it stand as is. I have not had problems with\n>RAM yet so I will consider the problem annoying but not catastrophic.\n\n This sounds like the kind of problem I had when I installed 4MB\nSIMMs into an LC, back before low-profile 4MB SIMMs were readily\navailable. The standard 4MB SIMMs would contact the top of the case and\nmake it a bit difficult to close the LC, but it did close and work just\nfine. One of the nice things about Logic-Boards is that they are\ngenerally quite flexible and can withstand a fair amount of pressure.\n\n-Hades\n\n\n\n',
'From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)\nSubject: What is REGLOAD.EXE?\nKeywords: regload\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 15\n\nPerusing through my Windows 3.1 directory, I came across a file\ncalled REGLOAD.EXE. I assume this is part of the registration\ndatabase, but neither my Windows manual, Win Resource Kit, nor\nPC Mag\'s description of files in the Windows directory had a\nreference to it. At least not one that I could find. Does\nREGEDIT.EXE use it? Or am I way off base?\n\n-- \n Peter Goudswaard _________ _________\n goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\\__ | |\n pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \\ / | |\n pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\\_\\ /_/\\_ | |\n | | > < | |\n "There\'s no gift like the present" | >_________< | |\n - Goudswaard\'s observation |_________| | |_________|\n',
'From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: [long]: Gun Hearings Day in Massachusetts (April 7)\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 263\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\n[This is a co-authored report from two of us who were there.]\n\nGun Owners Action League, our state rifle association, started the day\nwith a rally in the secluded courtyard behind the statehouse at 9:30.\nIt was looking sparse (about 40 people) until the speaker began,\nwhereupon about 120 more people followed the loudspeakers from\nwherever they had been lost, and filled out the area something proud.\n\nMike Yacino of GOAL spoke. One of his best throwaway lines was to\nremind us that all of us holders of carry permits there had been\nchecked and certified clear of all crimes by the state; while the\npeople in the Statehouse behind us only had to be certified clean of\n"election fraud" to hold their jobs.\n\nNancy Snow and Amos Hamburger were busy handing out ID buttons and\nsheets describing all the bills to be presented at the hearings, and\ntelling people where to find their own representatives (and in too\nmany cases, who they were).\n\nMike warned us that the committee was going to suspend its rules and\ndiscuss a bill that hadn\'t made it onto the official list. It seems a\ndelegation of students from Simon\'s Rock of Bard College (alma mater\nof Wayne Lo, who shot up the place with an SKS late last year) was\nbeing bussed in to testify for a bill to ban all sales of firearms or\nammo to anyone who is not a state resident.\n\nThe hearings were originally scheduled in the (large) Gardner\nAuditorium at 10:30, but that had been pre-empted by the Governor\'s\nhearings on the Framingham Eight (women in prison for killing abusive\nhusbands, and seeking release). So we had until 1:30 to buttonhole\nour representatives, after which we would be squashed into an\ninadequate hearing room.\n\nOne of my representatives\' staffers was somewhat offensively smarmy.\nHe said, "Oh, it must be gun hearings day again! The gun lobby is\nalways so organized every year." I got a little pissed, and replied,\n"I\'m not from the gun lobby -- I\'m from your district."\n\nAt 12:30, your second reporter arrived in time to notice a\ndemonstration going on in front of the statehouse (where the\npro-gunners weren\'t). Randy Price from the TV News was there, in his\nmirror reflective shades, talking to one of the anti-gun types, and\nseveral Simon\'s Rock anti-gun "close-the-loophole" protestors.\n(Earlier, Randy had covered the GOAL rally.)\n\nThe room we had been assigned seated about 50. Remember, there were\nabout 160 gun owners there, plus another 20-30 students and teachers\nfrom Bard. One of us had already reserved a seat; the other never got\ncloser than the atrium outside -- and there was a crowd behind HIM. A\ncop took up station at the entrance and prevented the rest of the\ncrowd from coming in. Soon after the debate started, a loudspeaker\nwas set up outside in the hall for the benefit of everyone else.\n\nEveryone who was there (inside and outside) got to sign up on a sheet\nsaying what their position was on which bills. Most of us signed up\nto "support GOAL\'s position" on "all bills."\n\nFirst, because of their time constraints, public officials got to\ntestify. And first up was the bill that nobody had seen (the students\nhad some curfew, I guess). \n\nCurrently, Massachusetts law allows a non-resident to purchase long\nguns or ammo from a local dealer provided he complies with the laws of\nhis own state. Previously, the law was similar, but applied only to\nnon-residents from states adjoining Massachusetts. The Simon\'s Rock\nfolks called the current law a "loophole" and wanted it closed.\n\nTwo of their reps spoke about Wayne Lo and his "SKS assault rifle."\nThe second one, Hodgekiss, a co-sponsor, had done his homework so well\nthat he kept confusing Montana (Wayne Lo\'s home state) with Missouri,\nand became belligerent when about five gun owners in the gallery\ncorrected him after his second muff. Carr, from Gloucester, claimed\nthat the new bill would put the law back the way it was, but he was\nlying: the new bill allows purchases by non-residents of adjoining\nstates ONLY if they have licensing in their own state "as strong as"\nthat in Massachusetts. Since none of them do, that\'s that.\n\nSome of the things these two said were really offensive. "In some of\nthese other states, anyone can buy a gun as long as he\'s breathing!"\n(Oooooo!) "We have some very, very good gun laws in Massachusetts; if\nonly the other states would adopt the same type of laws, we wouldn\'t\nbe having this situation -- but they won\'t." (Naughty, naughty!)\n\nNext up was Boston city councilman Albert "Dapper" O\'Neill. He was\nthere to testify pro-gun, but in some ways he was a liability. He\'s\nreasonably elderly and tends to wander and repeat himself, plus he\'s\nalmost a caricature of a law-n-order politician. He badmouthed the\nACLU, said violent criminals should be executed, and that if he were\njudge, he\'d give arrestees their "last rights" (pun intended) on the\nspot (at which many of the gun owners applauded, which bothered me.)\nHe said that all the proposed gun restrictions were a step in the\nright direction -- for the criminals. He said this FOUR times :-(\n\nTwo of the bills under consideration would allow police to rescind a\nCCW or FID, and confiscate all your guns, if someone had filed a\nrestraining order against you. (Note that the filing of a restraining\norder requires no warrant, no hearing, no evidence, and no conviction\n-- just an accusation.) Senator Barrett of Reading testified in favor\nof it, and patronized the pro-gunners there several times by saying,\n"I\'m sure all the gun owners here will agree with me that we have to\nget these weapons out of the hands of people that our courts have\nconvicted." I haven\'t seen such a disgustingly disingenuous\nperformance since Nixon whined that he wasn\'t a crook.\n\nBarrett also spoke in favor of the bill making the FID card renewable\nevery five years, instead of permanent as it is now. The stated\npurpose is to remove FID cards from those who have become ineligible.\n"Revenue has nothing to do with it." (Yeah, right.) Apparently, some\ncongressmen think we\'re stupid enough to swallow the argument that\nit\'s preferable to process 1.6 million renewals every cycle in the\nvague hope of catching a recent felon than to simply take the goddamn\ncard away from a criminal at conviction time. As usual, hassle the\nlaw-abiding instead of the crook.\n\nThe two co-chairs of the committee were Rep. Caron and Sen. Jujuga.\nJujuga didn\'t say much (he was a co-sponsor of both "restraining\norder" bills) but Caron struck me as a sharp guy that wouldn\'t let any\nbad logic or lies on the part of either side to go unchallenged. (He \nwas a co-sponsor of one of the "restraining order" bills as well.) One\nof the younger reps on the committee (forgot his name) was\nvociferously pro-gun, somewhat embarrassingly so. His heart was in\nthe right place, but his arguments seemed to be confined to, "every\nyear it\'s the same damn thing, you come in here with this crap..."\nIt\'s nice to have a friend on the committee, but he could have been\nmore effective.\n\nAt about 3:00, it was clear that the hall-jam couldn\'t continue.\nSomeone came out of another meeting hall and yelled at the cop because\nthe loudspeaker was disturbing their meeting, so the loudspeaker was\ndisconnected. So they found a bigger hall upstairs. One of us had\nto leave to catch his charter bus, and so missed the "public"\ntestimony; the other got a seat this time.\n\nCaron began by talking about how he got his FID 16 years ago, left the\nstate, and then returned without notifying them of his address change.\nHe complained that the state record system was not up-to-date and that\nhis PD back in his city of birth still thought he lived there. Great\nquote: "If you purchase a gun today, it will not get into the state\ncomputer system until 1999." (This was also an argument he used\nagainst the renewable FID card.)\n\nTestimony was heard from several "battered women," one of whom had\nbeen attacked by some guy in his 20\'s who had an FID card because he\ngot it when he was 15 or thereabouts. They used a lot of emotion and\nsaid how they were scared of these men. A staffer of Attorney General\nHarshbarger testified in favor of this anti-gun bill, saying how\n50,000 restraining orders were granted last year, and how these women\nneeded to be protected. Caron noted that a restraining order was\ngranted for 10 days, and then a hearing was held to determine whether\nthe order would be extended to a year. He asked whether she would be\nsatisfied if the FID were revoked at the time of this hearing rather\nthan after the initial issuance of the FID. She gave some long\nrambling circumlocution in response.\n\nThen testimony against the bill was heard. Mike Yacino (who looks\nsomething like Einstein) got up and made the point that restraining\norders were issued on too little evidence, that judges like to issue\nrestraining orders just to let things cool off no matter who they\nthink is right (man or woman), and that the hearings for restraining\norders are lightning sessions with little time to consider facts.\nAtty. Karen McNutt spoke with him a few times during his testimony.\n\nOther pro-gunners got up to testify. One said he had had to file a\nrestraining order against a tenant to clear her out, and that she\ncountered by filing one against him! He noted that this would have\nallowed the state to confiscate his guns if the new bill became law.\nOne of the junior reps noted that "this is America" and we have to be\ncertain that individual rights are respected. Senator Jujuga\nreiterated this, saying that "people who abuse smaller people can go\nto Hell as far as I care, but we have to be careful about equating\nconviction with a restraining order." (Point and match, Senator.)\n\nAnother pro-gunner got up and testified that he didn\'t know his\ncitizenship "expired every 5 years," and that a driver\'s license was a\nprivilege, not a right like the right to keep and bear arms.\n\nA third got up and said the problem was with the criminal justice\nsystem, and argued in favor of a death penalty bill and public\nhangings. Senator Jujuga said he had himself tried to get a death\npenalty bill passed, and joking responded that he, too, favored public\nhangings. The speaker then responded, "I\'ll make you a deal. You get\nme the rope, and I\'ll tie the noose."\n\nNext came public testimony on the Simon\'s Rock bill. A teacher\ntestified that she had been the teacher of Wayne Lo, and that "he\nwouldn\'t have been able to shoot people inside a building while he was\noutside" without his evil gun. She said that the "loophole" should be\nclosed to prevent something like this from "ever happening again".\n\nFour or five other kids testified in favor of this bill, one of\nspilling tears for the good legislators. One of the students actually\nshot by Wayne Lo was also there. Many of them had T shirts on,\nsaying, "As long as one person can buy a gun in anger, none of us are\nsafe -- support gun control." The committee was reluctant to grill or\ncorrect the kids, except for Caron, who corrected one student who had\nclaimed that anyone could apply for an FID. "Only residents can get\nFID\'s," he said. (How much do you want to bet that this kid had no\nidea he had been conned into testifying for a bill that would cut\nout-of-staters completely off?)\n\nYacino and McNutt spoke again, this time noting that the bill as\nwritten would affect both ammo AND ALL guns possessed by\nout-of-staters. Karen also noted that hunters in CT, NH, and VT could\nbe put away for a year if they wandered across the MA boundary\nsomewhere in the woods and got challenged by game wardens. Yacino\nunderscored the fact that Lo COULD have gotten an FID as a resident\nstudent -- and, hell, even an CCW, as he had NO criminal or mental\nrecord.\n\nOne junior rep was upset that it would take MA residents longer to buy\na gun than out-of-staters, and thought it was "elitist". Another\n(Caron?) said that we need the protection of preventing non-residents\nfrom buying without an FID because only two other states in the union\nhad "FID-type" cards, so complying with all the laws of one\'s home\nstate was "not enough." One pro-gun speaker replied that this\nresembled a mother watching her son in a marching band and exclaiming,\n"Everyone\'s out of step but Johnny!"\n\nAll the Bard College people were filing out as the pro-gun testimony\nfor this bill was made, and thus only pro-gunners were around when the\nother bills came under consideration. The main bills remaining (and\nGOAL\'s position) were:\n\no H.4375 and four others: Notify police chiefs so they can pull \n licenses when a holder is convicted (strongly supported)\n\no H.1732: Require trigger locks on all handguns sold (opposed)\n\no H.962: Require trigger locks on all loaded firearms (strongly\n opposed)\n\no H.1350: Allow every municipality to enact their own gun laws \n (opposed)\n\no H.1731: Fund bullet-proof vests for municipal police (supported)\n\no S.1097: State Constitutional Amendment for the RKBA (supported)\n\no Several on police discretion in the issuance of FID cards (opposed)\n\no Several altering non-resident license conditions (supported)\n\no H.1135: Ban damn near all guns everywhere in the state (guess!)\n\nSome of these took only 30 seconds to consider, as the remaining\npro-gunners raised hands in unison either for or against them.\n\nMike Yacino noted that, besides the danger in screwing with a trigger\nlock on a loaded gun, that bill would make it illegal for a licensee\nto carry his concealed handgun unless it were locked.\n\nCaron blew right through H.1350 when he saw that we opposed it.\nAgain, he brought up the state\'s archaic records capability and said,\n"This would create hundreds of different licensing systems."\n\nThe session ran late -- since it was the last scheduled hearing, it\ncould not be adjourned until everyone who wanted to had testified. It\nended at about 6:30.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n\n',
'From: wongda@eecg.toronto.edu (Daniel Y.H. Wong)\nSubject: LOOKING FOR THE LATEST ACTIX DRIVERS FOR WINDOWS\nOrganization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto, Canada\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 14\n\nHi, anyone have the latest drivers for the Actix Graphics Accelerator Card? \n(32 plus) The one I have (version 1.21) seem to have a lot of problems. \nI believe the latest version is 1.3 and would someone please \nupload it to some ftp site so that I can download it. \n\nThanks \n\n\n-- \n\n\nDaniel Y.H. Wong\t\t\t\t\tUofT:(416)978-1659\nwongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu\t\t\t\tElectrical Engineering\n--\n',
'From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay)\nSubject: Call for Votes - DTBL MVP and CY. Please vote!\nArticle-I.D.: ucdavis.C52s31.49q\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Harold Brooks Hot & Sour Soup Club, Ltd.\nLines: 79\n\nThe regular season of the 1992-93 Davis Tabletop Baseball League has\njust come to an end. To help us with next year\'s league, I would\nappreciate it if you would take a couple of minutes and vote for\nour league MVP and CY winners. These awards, and players\' standings\nin them, will inflate their salaries for next year\'s league.\n \nPlease vote for 5 in each category, in order. For example...\n \n1. Barry Bonds\n2. Frank Thomas\n3. Biff Pocoroba\n4. Shooty Babitt\n5. "Lips" Lundy.\n \nPlease do NOT vote for pitchers in MVP voting for this league. Each team\nin the league gets one candidate for MVP, and one for CY. Defensive\nposition is listed where applicable, along with an abbreviation of\ntheir performance there (E=Excellent, V=Very Good, A=Average, \nP=Poor, B=Very Poor) Thanks... please reply by April 10.\nFor the record - the season was 144 games long. Thanks for your help.\n \nMVP Candidates\n \nName G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI BB K SB CS IBB BA/OBP/SLG DEF\nGriffey 124 338 99 27 0 16 44 64 39 50 0 0 16 293/362/515 8-P\nEMartinez 139 562 176 55 3 14 85 87 44 77 14 5 6 313/359/496 5-A\nSandberg 137 559 163 35 6 20 100 102 64 67 4 1 2 292/360/483 4-V\nVentura 144 562 161 32 0 9 83 59 80 61 0 1 3 286/374/391 5-E\nMcGriff 148 533 150 25 1 33 89 98 102 132 0 3 20 281/398/518 3-P\nMcGwire 138 487 134 31 1 34 108 104 128 100 0 3 38 275/425/552 3-E\nRAlomar 127 515 159 23 8 5 85 34 70 67 54 11 1 309/389/414 4-P\nDykstra 144 582 157 27 1 3 94 60 65 67 89 20 3 270/339/335 8-A\nButler 137 534 158 13 13 1 82 50 83 69 13 19 0 296/386/375 8-B\nDeer 119 425 103 26 1 33 66 75 44 141 1 3 2 242/311/541 9-V\nBonds 145 465 143 39 4 33 128 101 187 62 23 5 68 308/502/622 7-E\nHrbek 129 423 112 21 0 12 62 52 80 77 1 0 2 265/380/400 3-P\nJGonzalez 135 543 121 17 1 38 59 85 28 146 0 0 2 223/259/468 8-B\n \nSome players missed time due to injuries, others were sat down at the end\nto avoid the possibility of injury. There are better players than those \non this list, but each team gets one and only one candidate. Some players\nplayed more than 144 games due to being traded to teams with more games\nleft in the same time span. Now, on to the pitchers...\n \nName ERA G W L S IP H BB K HR GS CG ShO WP\nDMartinez 3.01 30 15 8 0 209.1 173 76 124 12 30 2 0 2\nDibble 0.80 37 0 2 25 33.2 21 8 46 1 0 0 0 0\nRijo 3.40 26 13 7 0 177.1 175 56 133 12 26 5 1 5\nMussina 2.92 29 15 7 0 206.2 167 46 119 15 29 3 1 2\nBenes 3.24 28 14 9 0 194.1 172 53 127 13 28 4 1 1\nKHill 2.93 27 16 7 0 196.2 144 64 166 20 26 8 3 1\nSmoltz 3.62 28 11 11 0 186.1 177 66 158 9 28 6 1 7\nCone 3.46 28 14 7 0 197.2 152 103 193 10 28 7 1 5\nDrabek 2.79 29 13 10 0 206.2 166 55 131 16 29 4 0 2\nTewksbury 3.28 25 12 8 0 172.2 168 36 64 8 25 4 2 1\nClemens 2.94 31 16 11 0 223.1 198 71 178 13 31 17! 2 1\nTomlin 2.48 28 12 5 0 196.0 172 42 97 8 27 1 0 2\nFarr 0.81 38 4 1 17 55.1 28 25 38 1 0 0 0 0\n \nThere you have it. Curt Schilling threw a perfect game during the year,\nand Ken Hill threw a no-hitter. Rob Dibble had pitched 32 scoreless\ninnings to start the year, only to choke in the last two games to cost\nthe Perot\'s Giant Sucking Sounds a playoff spot. \n \nIf you want stats of more players, they are available by request. Please\ntake the time to reply if you can. Thanks.\n \n \n\n-- \n* Gary Huckabay * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90\'s! *\n* "A living argument for * If there\'s anything we love more than a huge *\n* existence of parallel * .sig, it\'s someone quoting 100 lines to add *\n* universes." * 3 or 4 new ones. And consecutive posts, too. *\n-- \n\t\t\t\t \'\'\'\n (o o)\n/----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\\\n| David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.|\n',
"From: trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell)\nSubject: HOT NEW 3D Software\nKeywords: Imagine,3d\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 20\n\nThere is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called\nIMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its\n3rd version....(1st) for the IBM.... it can do morphing, your standard key-framming animation, it is a raytracer (reflections & shadows), and can do/apply special FX to objects... (like ripple, explode, bounce) things of that nature. Also it has algorithmic texture maps....and your standard brushmapping also...\n\nyou can have animated brushmaps...(ie. live video mapped on the objs)...\nalso animated backdrops (ie. live video backgrounds)\nalso animted reflections maps....\n\nyou get the idea.... it will run for about 500$ retail (I think)...\n\ndont let the low price fool you.... this product can do it all when it\ncomes to 3D-animation and Renderering...!\n\nalso....does anyone here know how to get in the Imagine mailing list??\nplease e-mail me if you do or post up here....\n\noh...the number for IMPULSE is --->1 800 328 0184\n\ntrb3@ra.msstate.edu\n\n",
'From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher)\nSubject: PC Syquest on a Mac??\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIs it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to\nhook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac?\n\nIs there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it\njust cable differences?\n\nThanks.\n\nRob\n-- \nRob Sprecher\nrcs8@po.cwru.edu\n',
"From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)\nSubject: Re: Altitude adjustment\nOrganization: WINCO\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes:\n>I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities\n>quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000\n>feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted...\n\nMexico City, Bogota, La Paz?\n>\n>Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and\n>my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very\n>dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep\n>away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol.\n>\n\n>Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there\n>(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible?\n>Is there something else that I could do?\n\nGo three days early. Preliminary acclimatization takes 3-4 days. It\ntakes weeks or months for full acclimatization. Could you be\nexperiencing some jet lag, too?\n\n\n",
"From: zklf0b@wwnv28.hou.amoco.com (Fergason)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: Amoco Production\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1ql7ug$i50@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:\n>In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:\n>|> \n>|> \tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n>|> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n>|> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to\n>|> sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n>|> \n>|> \tSo, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy\n>|> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing\n>|> about it.\n>\n>The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-)\n>\n>JohnH\n\nI used a bunch as weights, when building a model airplane. Hung them\non the stringers, across the stringer, or whatever. Worked pretty well.\n\nKelly\n\n",
'From: wyatt@chem.nrl.navy.mil (JRW)\nSubject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor\nLines: 39\nOrganization: NRL\n\nIn article <1qjfa0INN6g5@titan.ucs.umass.edu> dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) writes:\n>From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd)\n>Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor\n>Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:01:20 -0400\n>In article <1qhppp$gha@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:\n>>Basically I\'m looking for a 15" SVGA (1024x768) non-interlaced\n>>monitor. The NEC 4FG is the one most of the computer mags use as\n>>their standard, and from what I\'ve seen and heard it looks pretty\n>>good, but it\'s a bit expensive (700 bucks is the best deal I\'ve seen).\n>>So I thought perhaps I might find something as good for less. Any\n>>recommendations? I also thought about the NEC 3FGx, which has the\n>>same specs as the 4FG except for the scan frequency, which is more\n>>limited; anybody have any comments on this one? Would it work with\n>\n>I believe that NEC is replacing the 4FG and 3FGx with 4FGe and 3FGe\n>models, reportedly being released at the end of this month. I\'m\n>waiting for a 4FGe, the main difference being a 3 year warranty and\n>higher refresh rates at the higher resolutions. It sounded from a PC\n>Magazine note that the 3FGe was being boosted in a number of ways.\n>Call the NEC 800 number and have them send you info.\n>\n>\n>|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|\n>|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA|\n>|Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ <David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU> ____ Fax: 413/545-0996|\n>\n>\n>\n>\nI have been using a NEC 3FGx for several months now. Several others here \nalso have this monitor. We have had no problems. Personally I would spend \nextra money for this monitor and sacrifice other features on a PC such as 33 \nMHz viz 50 Mhz. Based on the comments of others you might want to view the \n3FGX vs the 4 series on a PC running windows at 1024x768. The refresh rate \nappears ok for me, but you might feel differently. Finally speaking of \nspending money, with the size of today\'s files, etc, a tape backup is \ncertainly worth $200-$300. Recently I set up a friend\'s PC 50Mhz and VESA \nlocal bus. The redraw time for a graphics program was only a factor of 2 \nfaster which I doubt warrants the extra cost.\n',
"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work??\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\nI've seen several references to split- or separate-beam radars, which I\nclaimed didn't exist. Gotta eat some crow here - I wasn't aware of them.\nAll I really knew was that it can be done with one beam.\n\nI believe the rest of what I said is accurate, though.\n\nMmmmmmm....crow.... (oops-wrong group)\n",
'From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy\'s Sweetie)\nSubject: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: Rowan College of New Jersey\nLines: 114\n\nDean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of\nMoody Bible Institute:\n\n> The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing.\n> It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing\n> evangelical Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we\n> are the only ones who know what the absolutes are.\n\n> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed\n> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic\n> importance of those absolutes."\n\nThere has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on\nexactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.\n\nThe arrogance being attacked is that we "think we are the only ones who know\nwhat the absolutes are". In short, many evangelicals claim that they are\ninfallible on the matter of religious texts.\n\nIn particular, the problem is one of epistemology. As a shorthand, you can\nthink of epistemology as "how do you know?" That question, it turns out, is\na very troubling one.\n\nThe problem with `absolute certainty\' is that, at the bottom, at least some of\nthe thinking goes on inside your own head. Unless you can be certain that\neverything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to\ndiscover a source of truth is in question.\n\nAnd that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of\nauthority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty.\n\n\nLet\'s take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional\nInerrantist named Zeke. (The following arguments applies to the idea of\nPapal Infallibility, too.)\n\nZeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and\nseveral other topics. He has concluded, based on all these studies (and\npossibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute\nTruth.\n\nHe may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct.\nHis conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made\nmistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes. His\nconclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made\nmistakes. His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made\nmistakes. (Noticing a common thread yet? 8-)\n\nEverything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that\nhappened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking. No matter what\nhe does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own\ninfallibility. As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own\nreasoning, that belief cannot be considered "absolutely certain".\n\nZeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief\nis only as good as the quality of the search he made for it. Unless he can\nsay that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt.\n\nAny belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on\nyour own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop. Only an infallible\nthinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs.\n\n\nThis is easy to demonstrate. Let\'s go back to our shorthand method of doing\nepistemology: "how do you know?" Imagine a hypothetical discussion:\n\n A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth.\n\n B: How do you know?\n\n A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church\n teachings and came to this conclusion.\n\n B: How do you know you studied history correctly?\n\n A: Well, I double-checked everything.\n\n B: How do you know you double-checked correctly?\n\n A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed.\n\n B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn\'t mean it is\n true. How do you know THEY studied it correctly?\n\n A: ...\n\nAnd, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say "I\ncan\'t prove that there are no mistakes" -- and as long as you may have made a\nmistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain.\n\nThere is no way out of the loop.\n\n\nThis is where the "arrogance of Christians" arises: many people believe\nthat their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the\ndoctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are\ninfallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.\n\nClaiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led\nyou to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.\n\n *\n\nPeople who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to\nfind _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon. He is attacking\nthe idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well),\nbut the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is\nknowably Inerrant.\n\n\nDarren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\n"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."\n -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n',
'From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON?\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 27\n\nHal Heydt writes:\n\n>That was only the fall of the *Western* Empire. The *Eastern* Empire\n>continued for another 1000 years--and a key element in it\'s fall was\n>the *Christian* sack of Constantinople.\n\nNote that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire. The Roman Empire\nlasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople. The\nmain reason for it\'s fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by\nthe men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been\nexcommunicated down to the last man after attacking the Christian city\nof Zara in Croatia), but rather the disastorous defeat in the battle of\nMazinkert. After the Turks breached the frontier, it was only a matter\nof time before the Empire fell, the inability of the Empire to hold onto\nthe rim of Anatolia, with the Ottomans and Rum Seljuks in the middle\nshould be quite obvious to any student of history. The sack of\nConstantinople only hastened the inevitable along. For if the Greeks\nhad wanted to save their empire, why would they not cooperate with the\nCrusaders when they came to do battle with the Saracens in the 1st-3rd\nCrusades? Because of their obstinacy over cooperating with people they\nconsidered heretics, even though those "heretics" were fighting for the\ncause of the Empire and Christendom in doing battle with the Turkish\nhordes in Anatolia, Edessa, Lebanon, Palastine, and Syria, the some\nhordes who were to later sack Constantinople, and overrun a third of\nEurope (the Balkans, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.)\n\nAndy Byler\n',
'From: set@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (ViSioNary Gfx)\nSubject: ATTENTION SUPER NINTENDO AND GENESIS PLAYERS READ THIS\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 56\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\n\n\nIM pleased to announce a new revolutionary device that allows you to\ncopy super nintendo and genesis games to floppy disk. Then later\nplay from floppy disk with out the cart. This is a independent system\nthat interfaces with your SNES or Genesis.\n\nOTHER FEATURES\n\n*Store multiple copies of cart. save game to disk (up to 32 saves to disk)\n\n*Save your position in SNES games that don\'t norally have a save feature\n\n*Switch your SNES into slow motion mode\n\n*Use codes to get unlimited lives and other "cheats" in many games.\n\nThe Multi-Game Hunter is capable of copying both SNES and Genesis game \ncarts to standard IBM PC formated floppy disks. The games can them be played directly from the floppy disk. NOTE:IT does not require a PC\n\nFull color on-screen icons and menus make operation for the MGH so simple\nthat even a child could operate it. Options can be selected simply by choosing the selection with the game controller and pressin a button.\n\nAdd a Game saver adapter to your system for more game playing power. The\nGame saver allows you to save your position to disk in almost any SNES game!\nReload your saved position any time. Enable it\'s slow-motion feature for those really tough games.\n\nFor more control over game play, We have the Game finger software. The\ngame finger software can give you unlimited lives or warp you to new levels in\nyour favorite SNES games. Bring back to life those really frustrating games.\n\nAlso if you know how to program 6518 6502 ASM code you can create your own\nSNES demos or games.\n\nMGH includes\n\nBase unit,disk drive (high density 3.5 drive), 16megabit RAM, 256 SRAM,\nall adapters and comes ready to hook up to your gameing system.\n\nONly thing not included is the power supply which you can pick up at\nradio shack.\n\nAll for only $500\n\nDISCLAMER\n\nthe customer assumes all responsibility for the use and or misuse of this \nproduct. We in no way encourage nor condone the use of this product for\nsoftware piracy. This device is intended soley for making legal backup\ncopies. Neither Nintendo or Sega has giving official endorsement of the \nproducts described herein.\n\nEmail me for more info or to make a purchase\n.\n\n\n',
'From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)\nSubject: Re: "ELECTRONIC" ODOMETER\nOrganization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5Fp8B.2Co@megatest.com> alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:\n>If I\'m not mistaken, altering the odometer is *illegal*. Furthermore,\n>I surmise it\'ll be tough to alter BMW\'s odometer if you got at it.\n>Some of the newer BMW\'s have electronic odometers making it even\n>more tamperproof.\n\nOn the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80\'s the "electronic"\nodometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven\nby pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle. These pulses are \nconverted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer.\nNo way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage\nreading. It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to\nchange as any other mechanical odometer.\n\nOn the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor\nand run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple\nswitch will do the job. It also will disable the speed limiter,\nwhich will enable the car to reach it\'s full speed. ;-)\n\n\n-- \nAlan L. Peterman (503)-684-1984 hm & work\n al@qiclab.scn.rain.com\nIt\'s odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!\n',
'From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)\nSubject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 & Windows problems!!!\nSummary: Users complain of service from Diamond.\nReply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM, Austin\nKeywords: diamond video s3 windows\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1pifisINNhsr@dns1.NMSU.Edu> jdiers@dante.nmsu.edu (DIERS) writes:\n>\n>I own a Stealth 24 card from diamond. When using the 640X480x16.7mil win 3.1\n>driver the card and driver work but are not very fast. ALL of the other\n>windows drivers have a number of bugs. Shadows remain when windows are\n>erased and text boxes are often unreadable. All attempts to get help from\n>Diamond have failed. I have called the Tech support and never been able\n>to get past the hold line (a toll call) in a reasonable time (ie 10min).\n>Leaving voice mail has not helped either. The BBS is a joke! It always\n>has too many people on to download anything. You cannot even get a file\n>listing (it considers that a download!). I have faxed the tech support group.\n>All this with no reponse.\n>\n>The bottom line is if you are looking for a fast card and want to use it\n>for windows, DO NOT get a Diamond product. Try another vendor, I wish I had.\n\nWhile others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the\nsentiments posted above. Though I have the original Stealth/VRAM,\nit is only "relatively" recent that the Windows drivers for this card\nhave evolved to a point of decent performance. Note that there are\nSTILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing,\nmis-drawn check boxes, etc. I believe the version I have is 2.01.\nIf there\'s a more recent release, I\'d appreciate if someone would\ndrop me a note to let me know -- I haven\'t been able to get on their\nBBS lately to check again. Naturally, Diamond doesn\'t even bother\nnotifying me of fixes/releases.\n\nDiamond was helpful when I finally reached the "right" person in curing\nsome of my Windows\' problems due to an address conflict. The conflicting\naddresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the\nDiamond/VRAM manual. I hope it has been corrected by now. The tech rep\nexplained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses. I have not\nconfirmed the validity of that statement.\n\nWhen I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some\nform of local bus), I\'ll seek a video solution from someone other than\nDiamond.\n\nLance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)\n Yes, that IS a \'%\' (percent sign) in my network address.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nAll statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author\nand shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter.\n',
'From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)\nSubject: Re: Rejetting carbs..\nKeywords: air pump\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <jburney.734756216@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov> jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:\n>\n>If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust\n>pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the\n>exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder. I guess\n>there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out\n>but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the \n>canister. Meaning: would gases "so far" down the line (the canister)\n>really have an effect on the exhaust stroke? Do the gases really \n>compress that much?\n\n For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses\nin the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.\n\n1. Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force\nair into the intake tract is _atmospheric_. At the time the intake\nvalve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only\nthe difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after\nthe exhaust stroke) and atmospheric. As the piston decends on the\nintake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing\natmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract. At no time\ndoes the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good\nvacuum.\n\n2. At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the\ncombustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up\nto the first major flow restriction (the muffler). Note that the volume\nof gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume\nthat must flow through the intake, because of the temperature\ndifference and the products of combustion.\n\n3. In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started\npaying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty\nhorsepower. At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,\nsubstitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost\nzero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very\nwell anyway. Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make\nvery little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is\n_much_ louder than the stocker.\n\n4. On older bikes, exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.\nIf free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference\nwas noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.\n\n5. In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump. At any\ngiven RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it\non the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.\nPumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | "You can\'t wear out |\n| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |\n| \'88 K75S \'48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.|\n| \'75 R90S(#151) \'72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They\'re built like rocks |\n| \'65 R50/2/Velorex \'57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |\n| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It\'s the Harleys that |\n| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief." |\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality\nReply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England\nLines: 50\nNntp-Posting-Host: bangkok\n\nPaul Hudson Jr (hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu) writes:\n\n>I was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the existence\n>of God. Rather, I was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist\n>relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were\n>absolute. Man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong. We have\n>all inherited this knowledge. \n\nNo matter how "absurd" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by\nmankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common\nmoral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of\nany use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a\nworkable moral system created for everyday use.\n\nThe Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing\nevery word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of\nIsrael were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial\nLaws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance\nof moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better.\n\nIt seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo-\nChristian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from\nthe diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well\nbe an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to\nfollow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was\nwritten down by man.\n\nThis leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the\ndivine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many\ndifferent ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the\nfifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do\nthat to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an\nagnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit\nsociety (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take\nthe basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret/extend this to create\nand justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables\nthe people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers\nhave done).\n\nWhatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I\nthink the important aspect is the result.\n\nDavid.\n\n---\nOn religion:\n\n"Oh, where is the sea?", the fishes cried,\nAs they swam its clearness through.\n\n',
"From: ezzie@lucs2.lancs.ac.uk (One of those daze...)\nSubject: Borland turbo C libraries for S3 graphics card\nOrganization: Lancaster University Computer Society\nLines: 5\n\nI've recently got hold of a PC with an S3 card in it, and I'd like to do some\nC programming with it, are there any libraries out there that will let me\naccess the high resolution modes available via Borland Turbo C?\n\n\tAndy\n",
'From: swh@capella.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold)\nSubject: Re: Need Info on Diamond Viper Video Card\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino\nLines: 46\n\nExperiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card\n\nSeveral problems:\n\n1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB\n of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED\n with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K\n colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB\n VRAM.\n\n2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations:\n\n a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an\n Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often\n remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to\n be.\n\n b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the\n display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you\n shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK).\n\n3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development\n Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger\n icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the\n debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed\n to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The\n Turbo Debugger display is all garbled.\n\n Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen\n is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter\n "R". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it\n does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn\'t have to do this.\n\n The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive\n behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with\n Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles\n the VGA mode.\n \n The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use\n another monitor in place of my usual one.\n\nI still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be\nremedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty).\n\n---\nswh, 20apr93\n',
'From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)\nSubject: Re: The \'pill\' for Deer = No Hunting\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n} \tThe vast majority get through life without ever having to\n} \town, use or display a firearm.\n} ...\n} \n} Given society\n} \tas we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of\n} \tas many guns as possible.\n\nConsidering that the uses include self defense, hunting, target shooting\nand collecting, I don\'t buy the notion that the vast majority of people\ndon\'t "own, use or display a firearm".\n\nBut let\'s say your contention is true. What\'s the point of "get[ting]\nrid of as many guns as possible", if they weren\'t being used anyway?\n--\nDavid Olson dlo@drutx.att.com\n"Well, I did say we\'ll put it out and we\'ll put it out when we can.\n But I don\'t know what we can put out or when we can put it out."\n -- George Stephanopolous.\n',
'From: enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori)\nSubject: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia\nLines: 38\n\nFrom the article "What\'s New" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research:\n\n........\nWHAT\'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC\n\n1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED?\nIn 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The\nMan Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of\nrights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this\n hideous vision of the future. Observers were\nstartled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the\npad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the\nside of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged\nfor the ad to promote Arnold\'s latest movie. Now, Space Marketing\nis working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on\na plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth\norbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,\nsince NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates\n(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This\nmay look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of\nSpace Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the\nproject is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone\nmonitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.\n..........\n\nWhat do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize\nthe night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.\nWhat about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that\nit might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).\nIs NASA really supporting this junk?\nAre protesting groups being organized in the States?\nReally, really depressed.\n\n Enzo\n-- \nVincenzo Liguori | enzo@research.canon.oz.au\nCanon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61 2 805 2983\nPO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 | Fax +61 2 805 2929\n',
'From: khalsa@spartanSanDiego.NCR.com (G.K. Khalsa)\nSubject: Re: Options that would be great to have...\nReply-To: g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <93Apr16.185510.36600@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca\n(Charles Parr) writes:\n> \n> \n> \n> A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing\n> options on a car, or things you\'d like to have...\n> \n> 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of\n> mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...\n> \n> 2) Full size spare\n> \n> 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.\n> \n> 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with\n> the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment\n> and cabin.\n> \n> Feel free to add on...\n\nOK...\n\n5) How about a fuel gauge that *really* told you how much fuel was\n left. Like, "can I make it to where the gas is $1.14 or should\n I get gouged right here at $1.35?" Accurate to the tenth of a\n gallon would be great.\n\n...............................................................\n| | On Contract To: |\n| GK Khalsa | NCR Engineering and Manufacturing |\n|....................| 16550 W. Bernardo Dr. |\n| (619) 485-2460 | San Diego, CA 92127 |\n!....................!........................................!\n!.................g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com.................!\n\n',
"From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)\nSubject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nKeywords: catv cable television tvi\nArticle-I.D.: tvnews.1993Apr15.193218.13070\nOrganization: Tektronix TV Products\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <VL812B2w165w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca> jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) writes:\n>What happens when DVC (Digital Videon Compression) is introduced next \n>year and instead of just receiving squiggly lines on 2 or 3 channels \n>we'll be receiving sqigglies on, let's see 3*10 = 30 channels eventually.\n\nSince the digital transmission schemes include error correction and\nconcealment, the performance remains about the same down to a very low\ncarrier-to-noise ratio, below which it degrades very quickly. Hence,\ndigitally compressed TV is supposed to be less susceptible to interference\nthan amplitude modulated TV.\n\n-- \nBill McFadden Tektronix, Inc. P.O. Box 500 MS 58-639 Beaverton, OR 97077\nbill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill Phone: (503) 627-6920\nHow can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?\n",
'From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil)\nSubject: Re: Israel does not kill reporters.\nLines: 26\n\n>\n> Anas Omran has claimed that, "the Israelis used to arrest, and\n>sometime to kill some of these neutral reporters." The assertion\n>by Anas Omran is, of course, a total fabrication. If there is an\n>once of truth iin it, I\'m sure Anas Omran can document such a sad\n>and despicable event. Otherwise we may assume that it is another\n>piece of anti-Israel bullshit posted by someone whose family does\n>not know how to teach their children to tell the truth. If Omran\n>would care to retract this \'error\' I would be glad to retract the\n>accusation that he is a liar. If he can document such a claim, I\n>would again be glad to apologize for calling him a liar. Failing\n>to do either of these would certainly show what a liar he is.\n\nWhy retract your accusation that he\'s a liar? If Omran retracts his "verbal\ndiarrohea" doesn\'t that only prove the liar he *really* is? A retraction\nwould be pointless! Giving this guy the opportunity to "save face" after\nuttering such bullshit would just encourage him to do it again! I must say\nthat your style is very impressive, Mark. Keep it up!\n\n- Mike\n\n---\n MI KE MIK EMIK EMI K "Opinions expressed above\n M I K E M I K E M are my own and not that\n M I K E MIKEM I KEM I K of \'Big Blue\'"\n M I K E M IKE M IKE MIKE\n',
"From: jml@norman.vi.ri.cmu.edu\nSubject: Re: Radar Jammers And Stealth Cars\nNntp-Posting-Host: westend.vi.ri.cmu.edu\nReply-To: jml@visus.com\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 6\n\nEric H. Taylor writes\n> ... If you are determined\n> to go faster, get an airplane. They dont have speed limits.\n\nJust don't make a habit of buzzing your local airport at >200 knots\n(250 knots if you're flying a jet). :-)\n",
'From: jed@pollux.usc.edu (Jonathan DeMarrais)\nSubject: Crypto Conference\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu\n\nI need to know the following information about the upcoming\nCrypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the\nnumber of copies needed. Thanks,\n\t\t\t\tJonathan DeMarrais \n\t\t\t\tjed@pollux.usc.edu\n\n-- \n--- Jay jed@pollux.usc.edu (University of Southern California)\n\nWhat a depressingly stupid machine.\n Marvin\n',
"From: herzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SunSoft Product Engineering)\nSubject: Re: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic\nOrganization: Sun\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dogwalk\n\nIn article <1r3th9INNdtp@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> rank@winf.uni-passau.de (Christian Rank) writes:\n>I've installed X11R5 with patches for Solaris 2.1 on our SPARCstation LX /\n>SPARCclassic pool. On the LX, X11R5 runs fine, but on the classics,\n>after giving the command startx, Xsun prints the following messages:\n>\tWARNING: cg3_mmap: can't map dummy space!\n>\tMapping cg3c: No such device or address\n>and exits.\n>\n>Does anybody know how to fix this problem?\n\nI'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have\n1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is \n1024x768.\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDisclaimer: I do not represent SunSoft, Inc., Sun Microsystems, Inc., etc., etc.\nBrian Herzog, SunSoft herzog@Eng.Sun.COM ...!sun!eng!herzog\n",
'From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)\nSubject: Re: I\'ve found the secret!\nOrganization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.161730.9903@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n|> \n|> Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they\n|> already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts\n|> again tonight, on three days rest.\n\nHuh? Clemens pitched last on Saturday, giving him his usual four days\nrest. \n\n|> What\'s up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why\n|> Hesketh was used in relief last night?\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBrian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n "I didn\'t think I should\'ve been asked to catch\n when the temperature was below my age."\n - Carlton Fisk, Chicago White Sox catcher, \n on playing during a 40-degree April ball game\n',
'From: sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda)\nSubject: Royals final run total...\nOrganization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\nI\'ve been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the\nnet for a while I figured I\'d stick my neck out a bit...\n\nThe Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL\nteam since the inception of the DH rule. (p.s. any ideas what this is?)\n\nThey will fall easily short of 600 runs, that\'s for damn sure. I can\'t\nbelieve these media fools picking them to win the division (like our\nTom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of\ngenius for the trades/aquisitions he\'s made)\n\nc-ya\n\nSean\n\n\n--\nSean Sweda sweda@css.itd.umich.edu\nCSS/ITD Consultant\t\t\t President, Bob Sura Fan Club\nGM/Manager Motor City Marauders\nInternet Baseball League\t\t\t\t "play ball!"\t\n',
'From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)\nSubject: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)\nOrganization: University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <Apr.12.03.42.49.1993.18778@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_\n>paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans.\n>\n>Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions.\n>Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality.\n>\n>\n\n\tOne of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is\ntheir belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being\nbrought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God\nthe Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father\nusually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me. \n\tFortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not\nfall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both\nwithout gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both\na masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find\nsorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible\nfor a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat\neach other.\n-- \nTerrance Heath\t\t\t\theath@athena.cs.uga.edu\n******************************************************************\nYOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK!\n******************************************************************\n',
'From: khettry@r1w2.pub.utk.edu (23064RFL)\nSubject: Testing !!\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Computing Center\nDistribution: utk\nLines: 6\n\n\tJust Testing !!!\n\tNo flames please !\n\nBye\n\n\n',
"From: mycal@NetAcsys.com (Mycal)\nSubject: ATARI 2600 Processors \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: ACSYS, Inc.\nLines: 19\n\n\nFor all people that are interested in every aspect of the 2600 try the\nzine:\n\n2600 connection\n$1 cash to :\nTimothy Duarte\nPO Box N, 664\nWestport, MA 02790\n\nfor sample\n\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nPGP key on request. mycal@netacsys.com\n \\ //\nMycal's way of skiing moguls: // \\\nturn, turn, turn, air, survive, survive, survive... No Risk, No Rush\n",
'From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 14/15 - How to Become an Astronaut\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\nArticle-I.D.: cs.astronaut_733694515\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:01:55 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 313\nSupersedes: <astronaut_730956661@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\n\nArchive-name: space/astronaut\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:02 $\n\nHOW TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT\n\n First the short form, authored by Henry Spencer, then an official NASA\n announcement.\n\n Q. How do I become an astronaut?\n\n A. We will assume you mean a NASA astronaut, since it\'s probably\n impossible for a non-Russian to get into the cosmonaut corps (paying\n passengers are not professional cosmonauts), and the other nations have\n so few astronauts (and fly even fewer) that you\'re better off hoping to\n win a lottery. Becoming a shuttle pilot requires lots of fast-jet\n experience, which means a military flying career; forget that unless you\n want to do it anyway. So you want to become a shuttle "mission\n specialist".\n\n If you aren\'t a US citizen, become one; that is a must. After that,\n the crucial thing to remember is that the demand for such jobs vastly\n exceeds the supply. NASA\'s problem is not finding qualified people,\n but thinning the lineup down to manageable length.\tIt is not enough\n to be qualified; you must avoid being *dis*qualified for any reason,\n many of them in principle quite irrelevant to the job.\n\n Get a Ph.D. Specialize in something that involves getting your hands\n dirty with equipment, not just paper and pencil. Forget computer\n programming entirely; it will be done from the ground for the fore-\n seeable future. Degree(s) in one field plus work experience in\n another seems to be a frequent winner.\n\n Be in good physical condition, with good eyesight.\t(DO NOT get a\n radial keratomy or similar hack to improve your vision; nobody knows\n what sudden pressure changes would do to RKed eyes, and long-term\n effects are poorly understood. For that matter, avoid any other\n significant medical unknowns.) If you can pass a jet-pilot physical,\n you should be okay; if you can\'t, your chances are poor.\n\n Practise public speaking, and be conservative and conformist in\n appearance and actions; you\'ve got a tough selling job ahead, trying\n to convince a cautious, conservative selection committee that you\n are better than hundreds of other applicants. (And, also, that you\n will be a credit to NASA after you are hired: public relations is\n a significant part of the job, and NASA\'s image is very prim and\n proper.) The image you want is squeaky-clean workaholic yuppie.\n Remember also that you will need a security clearance at some point,\n and Security considers everybody guilty until proven innocent.\n Keep your nose clean.\n\n Get a pilot\'s license and make flying your number one hobby;\n experienced pilots are known to be favored even for non-pilot jobs.\n\n Work for NASA; of 45 astronauts selected between 1984 and 1988,\n 43 were military or NASA employees, and the remaining two were\n a NASA consultant and Mae Jemison (the first black female astronaut).\n If you apply from outside NASA and miss, but they offer you a job\n at NASA, ***TAKE IT***; sometimes in the past this has meant "you\n do look interesting but we want to know you a bit better first".\n\n Think space: they want highly motivated people, so lose no chance\n to demonstrate motivation.\n\n Keep trying. Many astronauts didn\'t make it the first time.\n\n\n\n\n NASA\n National Aeronautics and Space Administration\n Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center\n Houston, Texas\n\n Announcement for Mission Specialist and Pilot Astronaut Candidates\n ==================================================================\n\n Astronaut Candidate Program\n ---------------------------\n\n The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has a need for\n Pilot Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidates\n to support the Space Shuttle Program. NASA is now accepting on a\n continuous basis and plans to select astronaut candidates as needed.\n\n Persons from both the civilian sector and the military services will be\n considered.\n\n All positions are located at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in\n Houston, Texas, and will involved a 1-year training and evaluation\n program.\n\n Space Shuttle Program Description\n ---------------------------------\n\n The numerous successful flights of the Space Shuttle have demonstrated\n that operation and experimental investigations in space are becoming\n routine. The Space Shuttle Orbiter is launched into, and maneuvers in\n the Earth orbit performing missions lastling up to 30 days. It then\n returns to earth and is ready for another flight with payloads and\n flight crew.\n\n The Orbiter performs a variety of orbital missions including deployment\n and retrieval of satellites, service of existing satellites, operation\n of specialized laboratories (astronomy, earth sciences, materials\n processing, manufacturing), and other operations. These missions will\n eventually include the development and servicing of a permanent space\n station. The Orbiter also provides a staging capability for using higher\n orbits than can be achieved by the Orbiter itself. Users of the Space\n Shuttle\'s capabilities are both domestic and foreign and include\n government agencies and private industries.\n\n The crew normally consists of five people - the commander, the pilot,\n and three mission specialists. On occasion additional crew members are\n assigned. The commander, pilot, and mission specialists are NASA\n astronauts.\n\n Pilot Astronaut\n\n Pilot astronauts server as both Space Shuttle commanders and pilots.\n During flight the commander has onboard responsibility for the vehicle,\n crew, mission success and safety in flight. The pilot assists the\n commander in controlling and operating the vehicle. In addition, the\n pilot may assist in the deployment and retrieval of satellites utilizing\n the remote manipulator system, in extra-vehicular activities, and other\n payload operations.\n\n Mission Specialist Astronaut\n\n Mission specialist astronauts, working with the commander and pilot,\n have overall responsibility for the coordination of Shuttle operations\n in the areas of crew activity planning, consumables usage, and\n experiment and payload operations. Mission specialists are required to\n have a detailed knowledge of Shuttle systems, as well as detailed\n knowledge of the operational characteristics, mission requirements and\n objectives, and supporting systems and equipment for each of the\n experiments to be conducted on their assigned missions. Mission\n specialists will perform extra-vehicular activities, payload handling\n using the remote manipulator system, and perform or assist in specific\n experimental operations.\n\n Astronaut Candidate Program\n ===========================\n\n Basic Qualification Requirements\n --------------------------------\n\n Applicants MUST meet the following minimum requirements prior to\n submitting an application.\n\n Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate:\n\n 1. Bachelor\'s degree from an accredited institution in engineering,\n biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be\n followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,\n professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable and may be\n substituted for part or all of the experience requirement (master\'s\n degree = 1 year, doctoral degree = 3 years). Quality of academic\n preparation is important.\n\n 2. Ability to pass a NASA class II space physical, which is similar to a\n civilian or military class II flight physical and includes the following\n specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n\t 20/150 or better uncorrected,\n\t correctable to 20/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t 140/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches.\n\n Pilot Astronaut Candidate:\n\n 1. Bachelor\'s degree from an accredited institution in engineering,\n biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be\n followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,\n professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable. Quality of\n academic preparation is important.\n\n 2. At least 1000 hours pilot-in-command time in jet aircraft. Flight\n test experience highly desirable.\n\n 3. Ability to pass a NASA Class I space physical which is similar to a\n military or civilian Class I flight physical and includes the following\n specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n\t 20/50 or better uncorrected\n\t correctable to 20/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t 140/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n 4. Height between 64 and 76 inches.\n\n Citizenship Requirements\n\n Applications for the Astronaut Candidate Program must be citizens of\n the United States.\n\n Note on Academic Requirements\n\n Applicants for the Astronaut Candidate Program must meet the basic\n education requirements for NASA engineering and scientific positions --\n specifically: successful completion of standard professional curriculum\n in an accredited college or university leading to at least a bachelor\'s\n degree with major study in an appropriate field of engineering,\n biological science, physical science, or mathematics.\n\n The following degree fields, while related to engineering and the\n sciences, are not considered qualifying:\n - Degrees in technology (Engineering Technology, Aviation Technology,\n\tMedical Technology, etc.)\n - Degrees in Psychology (except for Clinical Psychology, Physiological\n\tPsychology, or Experimental Psychology which are qualifying).\n - Degrees in Nursing.\n - Degrees in social sciences (Geography, Anthropology, Archaeology, etc.)\n - Degrees in Aviation, Aviation Management or similar fields.\n\n Application Procedures\n ----------------------\n\n Civilian\n\n The application package may be obtained by writing to:\n\n\tNASA Johnson Space Center\n\tAstronaut Selection Office\n\tATTN: AHX\n\tHouston, TX 77058\n\n Civilian applications will be accepted on a continuous basis. When NASA\n decides to select additional astronaut candidates, consideration will be\n given only to those applications on hand on the date of decision is\n made. Applications received after that date will be retained and\n considered for the next selection. Applicants will be notified annually\n of the opportunity to update their applications and to indicate\n continued interest in being considered for the program. Those applicants\n who do not update their applications annually will be dropped from\n consideration, and their applications will not be retained. After the\n preliminary screening of applications, additional information may be\n requested for some applicants, and person listed on the application as\n supervisors and references may be contacted.\n\n Active Duty Military\n\n Active duty military personnel must submit applications to their\n respective military service and not directly to NASA. Application\n procedures will be disseminated by each service.\n\n Selection\n ---------\n\n Personal interviews and thorough medical evaluations will be required\n for both civilian and military applicants under final consideration.\n Once final selections have been made, all applicants who were considered\n will be notified of the outcome of the process.\n\n Selection rosters established through this process may be used for the\n selection of additional candidates during a one year period following\n their establishment.\n\n General Program Requirements\n\n Selected applicants will be designated Astronaut Candidates and will be\n assigned to the Astronaut Office at the Johnson Space Center, Houston,\n Texas. The astronaut candidates will undergo a 1 year training and\n evaluation period during which time they will be assigned technical or\n scientific responsibilities allowing them to contribute substantially to\n ongoing programs. They will also participate in the basic astronaut\n training program which is designed to develop the knowledge and skills\n required for formal mission training upon selection for a flight. Pilot\n astronaut candidates will maintain proficiency in NASA aircraft during\n their candidate period.\n\n Applicants should be aware that selection as an astronaut candidate does\n not insure selection as an astronaut. Final selection as an astronaut\n will depend on satisfactory completion of the 1 year training and\n evaluation period. Civilian candidates who successfully complete the\n training and evaluation and are selected as astronauts will become\n permanent Federal employees and will be expected to remain with NASA for\n a period of at least five years. Civilian candidates who are not\n selected as astronauts may be placed in other positions within NASA\n depending upon Agency requirements and manpower constraints at that\n time. Successful military candidates will be detailed to NASA for a\n specified tour of duty.\n\n NASA has an affirmative action program goal of having qualified\n minorities and women among those qualified as astronaut candidates.\n Therefore, qualified minorities and women are encouraged to apply.\n\n Pay and Benefits\n ----------------\n\n Civilians\n\n Salaries for civilian astronaut candidates are based on the Federal\n Governments General Schedule pay scales for grades GS-11 through GS-14,\n and are set in accordance with each individuals academic achievements\n and experience.\n\n Other benefits include vacation and sick leave, a retirement plan, and\n participation in group health and life insurance plans.\n\n Military\n\n Selected military personnel will be detailed to the Johnson Space Center\n but will remain in an active duty status for pay, benefits, leave, and\n other similar military matters.\n\n\nNEXT: FAQ #15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services\n',
'From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)\nSubject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 8\n\nI had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being\ninterested in Mark Davis, so it doesn\'t surprise me that a\nteam had to give up something and cash to actually get him.\n\nLynch "MOB"\n\nps. anyone else draft this guy? i really did and got a \n loud cry of "when will you ever give up on this guy" :-)\n',
"From: tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!)\nSubject: MR2 - noisy engine.\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: OPCO\n\n\nG'day people,\n\t\n\tAre there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why\nmy MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, \nbut not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. \n\tI do an oil change every 2-3 months, and for about 2 months the engine\nnoise sounds relatively quiet during driving and idling. At around the 3 month\nmark, after an oil change (I've been tracking this very thoroughly for months\nnow) it starts to get that very disgusting noise, not so much during driving,\nbut more so during idling. \n\tWhat's its problem? \n\tAlso.. I don't know if it's just me, but if noticed a little\nperformance drop. It just hasn't got the acceleration it used to. \n\n\tAny help/tips would be appreciated!!\n\n\nWorried.\n",
'From: der@anomaly.sbs.com (Admiral David E. Ryan)\nSubject: 144mhz/440mhz amps, 2mtr HT for sale\nOrganization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917\nLines: 18\n\nI have the following equipment for sale:\n\n1. Kenwood TH-28A 2mtr HT\t\t\t$250.00\n\n2. RF Concepts 2mtr Amp (45in->170out)\t\t$275.00\n\n3. Hamtronics Class C Continuous Duty\n\t440mhz 10watt-in ~40watt-out amp\t$250.00\n\nAll prices include shipping/insurance.\n\nFor additional information, contact me at the address below.\n\nDave\n-- \n| Admiral David E. Ryan \t |\n| der@anomaly.sbs.com | \n| ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!der |\n',
"From: wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands)\nSubject: request for video in Pittsburgh area\nKeywords: Sunday afternoon\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 11\n\n\n\tThere was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins' \nseason on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening \ngame against the Devils on Sunday. I only turned it on in time to \nwatch the credits. If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow \nit to dub it, I would appreciate it. I would be willing to come pick \nit up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer. Please \nrespond via e-mail. Thanks a lot.\n\tOh yeah. Was it any good?\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-Billy\n\n",
"From: ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu)\nSubject: Help! How to test SIMMs?\nNntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 10\n\n\nHello,\n I just got some SIMMs, at least one of which does not work. I don't know if \nthere is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the \nRAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead \nSIMM into an LC or an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on \nthe screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance\n\nYih-Tyng\nytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n",
'From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Christian\'s need for Christianity\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <Apr.19.05.12.31.1993.29175@athos.rutgers.edu>, lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:\n> In article <Apr.16.23.17.40.1993.1861@geneva.rutgers.edu<, mussack@austin.ibm.com writes...\n> << < For example: why does the universe exist at all? \n> \n> <Whether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal\'s(?) wager.\n> <If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely\n> <wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we\n> ..\n> I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad.\n> The idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator\n> does not seem like much of a basis for belief.\n\nPlease forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow\nthe argument.\n\nMy point is that "if life has meaning or importance then we should try\nto find that meaning or importance" which is almost a tautology. (I hope\nI\'m not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is "Creator",\nthough that is not obvious from my above argument.\n\n> And the logic is also appalling: "God must exist because I want Him to."\n\n(It\'s more like "I think, therefore I am, therefore God is.")\n\n> I have heard this line of "reasoning" before and wonder how prevalent\n> it is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is\n> hopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don\'t see\n> where this is a good reason to become religious. If you want \'meaning\'\n> why not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you\n> the security blanket you desire.\n\nUnfortunately the term "religious" is ambiguous to me in this context.\nI could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being\nreligious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on \nthe search.\n\nIf you want "meaning" why not search for the truth?\n\nSo far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding\nof truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions \nthat are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply\nthat I understand everything. \n\nChris Mussack\n',
'From: mccool@dgp.toronto.edu (Michael McCool)\nSubject: Apr 20 Toronto Siggraph Event\nOrganization: University of Toronto Dynamic Graphics Project\nDistribution: na\nLines: 48\n\n\nToronto Siggraph \n================\n\nWhat: ``Chance\'s Art\'\': 2D Graphics and Animation on the Indigo.\n\nBy: Ken Evans, Imagicians Artware, Inc. \n\nWhen: Tuesday 20 April 1993 7:00pm-9:00pm \n\nWhere: The McLuhan Centre for Culture and Technology\n University of Toronto\n 39A Queen\'s Park Crescent\n Toronto\n\nWho: Members and non-members alike \n (non-members encouraged to become members...)\n\nAbstract:\n\nImagicians Artware, Inc. is entering into early beta site testing on Silicon \nGraphics workstations of a new 2D abstract artwork and animation package called \nChance\'s Art. The package will be described and demonstrated, and some of the \ntechnical issues will be discussed. Marketing plans will be outlined. The \ntalk will also present some of the technical and business problems increasingly \nconfronting small startup software companies today, and some of the \nopportunities this situation presents.\n\nTime after the event will be allocated for hands-on demonstrations to \ninterested parties. Silicon Graphics is graciously providing an Indigo for \nthis event. Myck Kupka will also be demonstrating his computerized interactive \nreflective stereoscope, which is installed upstairs in the McLuhan Centre, so \nfeel free to drop by for a demonstration before or after the event. BTW, be \nsure to sing "Happy Birthday, Myck"...\n\nThe names of nominees for our Siggraph executive offices will be announced at \nthis meeting. Nominations will still be open until the election at our \nMay 18th event; call Myck Kupka at 465-0943 or fax to 465-0729. \n\nDirections: The McLuhan Coachhouse is on the east side of Queen\'s Park \nCrescent, just NORTH of Wellesley, SOUTH of St. Joseph St., BEHIND (EAST of) \n39 Queen\'s Park Crescent, which is the centre for Mediaeval Studies. \n\nFor information on Toronto Siggraph membership, contact Michael McCool via:\n\tInternet: mccool@dgp.utoronto.ca; \n\tVoice: 652-8072/978-6619/978-6027; \n\tFax: 653-1654\n\n',
'From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Flame Therapy\nArticle-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqdfrINN88e\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nI think it would be a great idea to have a new group created:\n\ncomp.sys.ibm.pc.flame.therapy\n\nanybody agree?\n',
'From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)\nSubject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 54\n\nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n\n>In article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n>>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on\n>>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that\n>>> ^^^^^\n>>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? \n>>\n>>>I\'m curious why you think that particular adjective is important.\n>>\n>>I\'m curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several\n>>different news groups, including something along the lines of \n>>alt.discrimination. \n\n>Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.\n>Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted\n>to two of those three (omitting soc.motss).\n\n>Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer \n>the question posed? If your statement is so "beign"(!?), you should have no\n>trouble politely responding to a polite query.\n\n Well, I don\'t think your query was exactly polite, but I will TRY to\ngive you a polite responce. Something atypical of the net, but here it goes.\n\n Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King. From many\nof the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective \nis commonly in front of his name. I have NEVER seen anyone complain about\nthe use of this adjective when used in a benign manner. I did not say that\nMr. King was a no good black! I do not know Mr. King and would not make this\nascertian without some evidence to this effect. I used it PURELY as a \ndescriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have\nused it in the past.\n\n\n The entire second trial was about race, Ted. I don\'t feel compelled to\ndiscuss Mr. King\'s racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would\nnot have been a second trial. You probably are saying that the beating would\nnot have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call\nto make. It is possible the case, but not definately. \n\n I still think your actions are crap, Ted. They are far more divisive than\nme using the adjective \'black\' in a non-derogenory manner. Would you have\nbeen happier if I had used \'African-american\' ? If so, then you really are\nlost in the world of PC. You have already been instrumental in getting one\npersons net access revoked, and I wonder if you have sent a copy of my \nmessage to my sys admin with a plea that I am not worthy of posting.\n\n The way you went about this \'polite\' inquiry makes me believe it was \nanything but.\n \n\n',
'From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: Creating application contexts multiple times???\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 94\n\nThe subject does not describe the problem I am having very well. Please read\non...\n\nI am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget,\ndisplays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns. The\nproblem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems\nincluding (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things):\n\n- Core Dump\n- BadPixmap X Error\n- Widget not unmapped\n\n\nHere is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem:\n\n#include <X11/Xlib.h>\n#include <Xm/Xm.h>\n#include <Xm/PushB.h>\n\nvoid bla()\n{\n XtAppContext app;\n Display *dis = XOpenDisplay("");\n int junk = 0;\n\n Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, "test", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,\n NULL, NULL, 0);\n\n Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("blaaa", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,\n top,\n XmNheight, 50,\n XmNwidth, 50,\n NULL);\n\n XtRealizeWidget(top);\n //Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents\n for (int i=0;i<=10;i++)\n {\n XEvent event;\n XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);\n XtDispatchEvent(&event);\n }\n\n// WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE???\n XtUnrealizeWidget(top);\n XtDestroyWidget(top);\n XtDestroyApplicationContext(app);\n XCloseDisplay(dis);\n// ???\n}\n\nmain()\n{\n for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)\n bla();\n}\n\nNote that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example,\nafter 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program.\nWith this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent)\nthe 5th call to bla():\n\nX Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)\n Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC)\n Resource id in failed request: 0xe0000d\n Serial number of failed request: 71\n Current serial number in output stream: 86\n\nIf I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the\nseconds call.\n\nFurthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I\nget:\n\nWarning: Initializing Resource Lists twice\nWarning: Initializing Translation manager twice.\n\n\nSo finally, my question is this:\n\nWhat needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates\nan XtAppContext and widgets multiple times?\n\nAny help would be greatly appreciated.\n\nPLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group.\n\nThanks very much.\n\n-davewood\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)\nSubject: Re: Israel\'s Expansion\nNntp-Posting-Host: supergas\nReply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 34\n\n\nIn article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n>Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there:\n>\n>1) Is Israel\'s occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr.\n>Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting\n>water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory).\n\nYes. As long as the goverment over there can force some authority and prevent\nterrorists attack against Israel. \n\n>\n>2) Is Israel\'s occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan\n>temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so\n>many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary,\n>let\'s hear it.\n\nSinai had several big cities that were avcuated when isreal gave it back to\nEgypth, but for a peace agreement. So it is my opinin that the settlers will not\nbe an obstacle for withdrawal as long it is combined with a real peace agreement\nwith the Arabs and the Palastinians.\n\n>\n>Steve\n>\n\n\nNaftaly\n\n---\nNaftaly Stramer \t\t\t | Intergraph Electronics\nInternet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A \nVoice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301\n"Quality is everybody\'s job, and it\'s everybody\'s job to watch all that they can."\n',
'From: piatt@gdc.COM (Gary Piatt)\nSubject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nOrganization: General DataComm Ind. Inc., Middlebury, CT 06762\nLines: 51\nNntp-Posting-Host: esun228\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nDov Bai-MSI Visitor (bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:\n: In article <C5FG7t.6At@exnet.co.uk> sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:\n\n: >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk,\n: >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. \n: But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically\n: on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ?\n\nSome say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of\nthe coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris. In either case,\nthe property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years.\n\n\n: It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not\n: provide us automatically with our needs,\n\nOh? When did She *stop*? Mother Nature has been automatically providing\nus with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze. It\nis not "produced": it produces itself, year after year. Last night, for\nexample, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an\nearlier time, one of them would have been dinner.\n\n: There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to \n: _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. \n: The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced\n: it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages\n: arrange their affairs.\n\nThe American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often\nfreely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and\nclothing for weapons or services. The Native Hawaiians, like their\nPolynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared\nmany things with the other Islanders. In fact, "hi\'ipoi", the Hawaiian\nword for "cherish" means "sharing food". The Great Mahele, in which\nthe Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and\nthe poor, was a white man\'s idea. In Africa, villagers will often\nshare tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village\nand neighboring villages. Every anthropologist who has ever been to\nAfrica has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so-\ncalled "theft" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which,\nuntil the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding.\n\nThese are the people we call "savages".\n\nOn the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year.\n\nDov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would\nbehoove you to study *all* of the facts.\n\n\n-garison\n',
"From: enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist)\nSubject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids\nNntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk\nOrganization: Coventry University\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <93089.204431GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja <GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n>I am a bit nervous about posting this beacause it is begining to\n>stray fron the topic of space but then again that doesn't seem to\n>stop alot of other people. :-)\n>\n>With all of this talk about breathing at high pressures, I began\n>to think about the movie Abyss. If you remember, in that movie one\n>of the characters dove to great depths by wearing a suit that used\n>a fluid that carries oxegen as opposed to some sort of gas. Now I\n>have heard that mice can breath this fluid but for some reason, humans\n>are unable to. Does anyone know more details about this?\n>\n>Gregson Vaux\n>\n\nI believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump\nthe liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes.\nSo if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on \nhold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times\nas dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas\nand liquid comparision of course!\n\nAcurist\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)\nSubject: Re: NRA Fucks Up Bigtime\nReply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com\nIn-reply-to: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 04:24:50 GMT\nOrganization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.\n\t<SLAGLE.93Mar29232337@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>\n\t<1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:\n\n> In article <SLAGLE.93Mar29232337@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:\n\n>>In article <xw1twyl@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:\n\n>>> No, actually I'm a lot more familiar with the libbers than I\n>>> care to be. I'm a bit hesitant to continue this thread because\n>>> it brings back horrible memories of my first encounter with the\n>>> libbers in the LaRouche branch. I made the mistake of buying a\n\n>>Any connection between Lyndon LaRouche and the Libertarian Party\n>>is a pure product of your own fertile imagination. \n\n> Naw, perhaps he reads Time magazine.\n\nIt's a fair stretch of anyone's imagination to expect them to\nattach any credibility to anything written in Time magazine in\nthe past twenty years, I'd imagine. The Enquirer at least gets\nthe names attached to the right body parts.\n\n=Mark\n--\n----\nMark E. Slagle PO Box 61059\nslagle@lmsc.lockheed.com Sunnyvale, CA 94088\n408-756-0895 USA\n",
"From: neuhaus@bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern))\nSubject: Re: PGP 2.2: general comments\nNntp-Posting-Host: bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de\nOrganization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany\nLines: 39\n\nneuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) writes:\n\n>[Lots of stuff.]\n\nI hate to follow up to my own posting, but I should perhaps clarify\nsome things so I won't get flamed.\n\nFirst of all, when I'm talking about ``factoring the modulus'' or a\n``breakthrough in factoring'', what I really mean is a breakthrough in\nthe cryptanalysis of RSA. I know that factoring and breaking RSA are\nnot proven to be equivalent; it's just so damn convenient not to\nrepeat this every time.\n\nI also have to admit that I don't really know if the ``non-group''\nproperty of a cipher is essential only for key chaining. I have\nthought about it a little while, but I can't find a way that a\ncryptanalyst could exploit a group structure. That, of course, means\nnothing at all.\n\nThen I wrote,\n\n>Please note that as long as it is much harder to factor a RSA modulus\n>than it is to generate it, the increase in computer speed alone will\n>keep key lengths and modulus factoring in lock-step, i.e., people will\n>simply start using longer moduli and still be safe.\n\nWhat I meant was that as long as the only advantage of the\ncryptanalyst is a faster computer, then we will probably have RSA for\na long time to come, because even if 1024-bit moduli somehow could be\nbroken with fast computers (not with a new algorithm), then people\nwould simply use longer moduli. Both users and cryptanalysts benefit\nfrom better technology in the same way.\n\nHope this keeps the flames away... Have fun.\n\n-- \nStephan <neuhaus@informatik.uni-kl.de>\nsig closed for inventory. Please leave your pickaxe outside.\nPGP 2.2 public key available on request. Note the expiration date.\n",
'From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle)\nSubject: Re: Colormaps and Window Managers\nOrganization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: isolar.tujunga.ca.us\nKeywords: twm tvtwm InstallWindowColormaps\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.155255.27034@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:\n>In article <C5DuHC.71p.1@cs.cmu.edu>, das+@cs.cmu.edu (David Simon) writes:\n>\n>>Can some one please explain to me why the following piece of code\n>>causes twm (or tvtwm) to dump core [...]\n>\n>>In particular, I am interested in knowing whether this behavior is\n>>caused by a bug in my reasoning, or if it is a bug in twm.\n>\n>If *anything* a client does causes twm to dump core, it\'s a bug in twm.\n>Window managers should never *ever* crash.\n\nWould if only it were true ...\n\nIf only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm "InstallWindowColormaps()" crash bug\nonce and for all, then I could say that I\'ve (almost) unable to crash either\n"twm" or "tvtwm", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to\nboot. I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ...\n\nNow *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 "xnews"\nserver at will? Just do an \'xbiff -xrm "XBiff*shapeWindow: on"\'. Blammo.)\n\n-- \n\t- Greg Earle\n\t Phone: (818) 353-8695\t\tFAX: (818) 353-1877\n\t Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US\n\t UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle\n',
"From: korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek)\nSubject: Re: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard\nKeywords: 486, motherboard\nOrganization: Network Management Technology Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5ovwv.LMo@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:\n>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with\n>HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?\n>Any information would be helpful!\n>thanks\n>Brian J Schaufenbuel\n\n\nI believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset\nis limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The\nHINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this\nreason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look-\ning to replace it for exactly this reason.\n\nPlease double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard\nmanufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA\nDMA.\n\nOther than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using\nmine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a\nEISA SCSI host adapter.\n\n-- \nGary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com)\nNetwork Management Technology Incorporated\nSugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357\n",
'From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine)\nSubject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corp.\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3\nLines: 28\n\nnstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes:\n: \n: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH\n: \n: (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training\n: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military\n\nAs opposed to Israel\'s many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery\nagainst Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal\nvariants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone\nthrowers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5\nminute evacuation warning. Using Shin Bit\'s "reasonable" physical\npressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past \npractices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the \nEgyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za\'bal factory in 1978,\nthe downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near\nthe same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla.\nThat is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs\nduring the British mandate period.\n\nIronically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly\ncopied this article was running another article next to it by A.M.\nRosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively\nsaying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring\nyour people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall\nwho never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.\n\nAlaa Zeineldine\n',
"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)\nSubject: Re: How is Cizeta V16T doing?\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 20\nReply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\n> cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw) writes:\n> \n>>Does anyone know what happpened to the venerable V16T!? Has Claudio\n>>done any enhancement to it? Are there any pictures of this beast I\n>>can ftp down somewhere?\n>>THanks\n>>p.s. Better, seen any RC model of this beauty? :)\n\n--AutoWeek had an article about the car within the past six weeks.\n It was the issue with the Diablo VT AWD on the cover. Naturally, I\n don't remember the date of the issue offhand, but I can check it if\n anyone is interested. \n\n--Aamir Qazi\n\n-- \n\nAamir Qazi\nqazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n--Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint.\n",
'From: spl@dim.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)\nSubject: Re: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere.\nOrganization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource\nLines: 326\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dim.ucsd.edu\n\nIn article <4615trd@rpi.edu> deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) writes:\n> Hello, I know that this has been discussed before. But at the time\n>I didn\'t need to teselate a sphere. So if any kind soul has the code\n>or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it\n>was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very \n>appreciative.\n\nHere is one by Andrew "Graphics Gems" Glassner that I got from a\ncollegue of mine. I think I fiddled with it a little bit to make it\ndeal with whatever bizarre problem I was working on at the time but it\nis known to work.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tspl\n\t\t\t - - - -\n/* spheres\n ASG 9 Feb 85\n spl Thu Mar 8 17:17:40 EST 1990\n*/\n#include <stdio.h>\n#include <math.h>\n\n#define PI 3.141592654\n\nstruct Point_struct {\n double x, y, z;\n};\n\nstatic double radius;\nstatic double xorg;\nstatic double yorg;\nstatic double zorg;\n\ndo_sphere( r, freq, x, y, z )\n\n double r;\n int freq;\n double x;\n double y;\n double z;\n\n {\n\n int pole;\n double northy, southy, poley;\n double rtheta, rtheta2, ntheta, ntheta2, magicangle;\n double theta, thetastart, thisy, den, t;\n struct Point_node *pnp;\n struct Point_struct p1, p2, p3, p4, n1, n2, n3, n4, pt;\n\n radius = r;\n xorg = x;\n yorg = y;\n zorg = z;\n\n/* north pole */\n\n magicangle = 30.0*PI/180.0;\n northy = radius*sin(magicangle);\n southy = -radius*sin(magicangle);\n for (pole=0; pole<2; pole++) {\n\n if (pole==0) {\n\n poley=radius; \n thisy=northy; \n thetastart=0.0; \n\n }\n else { \n\n poley= -radius; \n thisy=southy; \n thetastart=36.0; \n\n }\n for ( theta = thetastart; theta < 360.0; theta += 60.0 ) {\n\n rtheta = theta*PI/180.0;\n rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0;\n p1.x = 0.0; \n p1.y = poley; \n p1.z = 0.0; \n p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta);\n p2.y = thisy;\n p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta);\n p3.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);\n p3.y = thisy;\n p3.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);\n\n if (pole==0) {\n\n/* make ring go the other way so normals are right */\n\n pt.x = p3.x; \n pt.y = p3.y; \n pt.z = p3.z; \n p3.x = p2.x; \n p3.y = p2.y; \n p3.z = p2.z; \n p2.x = pt.x; \n p2.y = pt.y; \n p2.z = pt.z; \n\n }\n\n den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p1.x *= t; \n p1.y *= t; \n p1.z *= t;\n\n }\n\n den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p2.x *= t; \n p2.y *= t; \n p2.z *= t;\n\n }\n\n den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p3.x *= t; \n p3.y *= t; \n p3.z *= t;\n\n }\n\n subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);\n\n }\n\n }\n\n/* now the body */\n\n for (theta=0.0; theta<360.0; theta += 60.0) {\n\n rtheta = theta*PI/180.0; \n rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0;\n ntheta = (theta+36.0)*PI/180.0; \n ntheta2 = (theta+96.0)*PI/180.0;\n p1.x = radius*cos(rtheta); \n p1.y = northy; \n p1.z = radius*sin(rtheta);\n p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta2); \n p2.y = northy; \n p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);\n p3.x = radius*cos(ntheta); \n p3.y = southy; \n p3.z = radius*sin(ntheta);\n p4.x = radius*cos(ntheta2); \n p4.y = southy; \n p4.z = radius*sin(ntheta2);\n\n den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p1.x *= t; \n p1.y *= t; \n p1.z *= t;\n\n }\n\n den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p2.x *= t; \n p2.y *= t; \n p2.z *= t;\n\n }\n den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p3.x *= t; \n p3.y *= t; \n p3.z *= t;\n\n }\n den = (p4.x*p4.x)+(p4.y*p4.y)+(p4.z*p4.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den; \n p4.x *= t; \n p4.y *= t; \n p4.z *= t;\n\n }\n\n subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);\n subdivide_tri(&p3,&p2,&p4,freq);\n\n }\n\n return;\n\n }\n\n#define norm_pt(v) { register double r = sqrt( ( ( v )->x * ( v )->x ) + \\\n ( ( v )->y * ( v )->y ) + \\\n ( ( v )->z * ( v )->z ) ); \\\n ( v )->x /= r; \\\n ( v )->y /= r; \\\n ( v )->z /= r; \\\n }\n\nsubdivide_tri(p1,p2,p3,a)\n\n struct Point_struct *p1, *p2, *p3;\n int a;\n\n {\n\n struct Point_struct n1, n2, n3;\n struct Point_struct p12, p13, p23;\n double den, t;\n\n if (a>0) {\n\n p12.x = (p1->x+p2->x)/2.0;\n p12.y = (p1->y+p2->y)/2.0;\n p12.z = (p1->z+p2->z)/2.0;\n den = (p12.x*p12.x)+(p12.y*p12.y)+(p12.z*p12.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den;\n p12.x *= t; \n p12.y *= t; \n p12.z *= t;\n\n }\n p13.x = (p1->x+p3->x)/2.0;\n p13.y = (p1->y+p3->y)/2.0;\n p13.z = (p1->z+p3->z)/2.0;\n den = (p13.x*p13.x)+(p13.y*p13.y)+(p13.z*p13.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den;\n p13.x *= t; \n p13.y *= t; \n p13.z *= t;\n\n }\n p23.x = (p2->x+p3->x)/2.0;\n p23.y = (p2->y+p3->y)/2.0;\n p23.z = (p2->z+p3->z)/2.0;\n den = (p23.x*p23.x)+(p23.y*p23.y)+(p23.z*p23.z); \n den = sqrt(den);\n if (den != 0.0) {\n\n t = radius / den;\n p23.x *= t; \n p23.y *= t; \n p23.z *= t;\n\n }\n subdivide_tri(p1, &p12,&p13,a-1);\n subdivide_tri(&p12, p2, &p23,a-1);\n subdivide_tri(&p13,&p23, p3, a-1);\n subdivide_tri(&p12,&p23,&p13,a-1);\n\n } else {\n\n n1.x = p1->x; \n n1.y = p1->y; \n n1.z = p1->z; \n norm_pt(&n1);\n n2.x = p2->x; \n n2.y = p2->y; \n n2.z = p2->z; \n norm_pt(&n2);\n n3.x = p3->x; \n n3.y = p3->y; \n n3.z = p3->z; \n norm_pt(&n3);\n\n/* nothing special about this poly */\n\n printf( "%f %f %f %f %f %f\\n", p1->x + xorg,\n p1->y + yorg,\n p1->z + zorg,\n n1.x, n1.y, n1.z );\n printf( "%f %f %f %f %f %f\\n", p2->x + xorg,\n p2->y + yorg,\n p2->z + zorg,\n n2.x, n2.y, n2.z );\n printf( "%f %f %f %f %f %f\\n", p3->x + xorg,\n p3->y + yorg,\n p3->z + zorg,\n n3.x, n3.y, n3.z );\n\n }\n\n return;\n\n }\n-- \nSteve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu\nSan Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608\n"My other car is a car, too."\n - Bumper strip seen on I-805\n',
'From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)\nSubject: Re: christians and aids\nOrganization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 98\n\nIn article <Apr.8.00.57.49.1993.28271@athos.rutgers.edu> marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n>In article <Apr.7.01.55.33.1993.22762@athos.rutgers.edu> kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes:\n>>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome\n>>by desire. We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin). Last\n>>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff,\n>>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs. To even\n>>suggest that AIDS is "deserved" is ludicrous.\n>\n>Some rules are made because at some point man is too stupid\n>to know better. Yet, eventually man learns. But only after\n>getting a lesson from experience.\n\nYes, it\'s important to realize that all actions have consequences,\nand that "rules" were made for our own good. But to suggest that a\n*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is \ntaking things much too far. If we got some kind of mouth disease\nfor lying, would any of us have mouths left? What if we developed\nblindness every time we lusted after someone or something? I dare\nsay all of us would be walking into walls.\n>\n>I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn\'t get\n>involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who\n>received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes\n>to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few.\n\nYes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real*\ncareful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for \nsin. The Jews of Jesus\'s time believed that all sickness was the\nresult of a sin. Then Jesus healed a blind man and said that man was\nblind to show the glory of God, not because of sin. If AIDS, or any\nother STD is a *punishment" for sexual sin, what do we do with \ndiseases like cancer, or multiple sclerosis, which are just as\ndebilitating and terrible as AIDS, yet are not usually linked to a\nspecific behavior or lifestyle?\n>\n>In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things.\n>There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ?\n>I don\'t know.\n\nAtonement is *extremely* important, but I think you\'ve missed the mark\nabout as far as you can by suggesting that AIDS is an atonement for sin.\nThe atonement for sin is JESUS CHRIST - period. This is the central\nmessage of the Gospel. A perfect sacrifice was required for our sins,\nand was made in the Lamb of God. His sacrifice atoned for *all* of\nour sins, past present and future. God does not require pennance for\nour sins, nor does he require us to come up with our own atonement. He\nhas graciously already done that for us. To suggest that AIDS or \nsome other consequence is an atonement for sins is literally spitting\non the sacrifice that Jesus made.\n\nIn case you couldn\'t tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when\nI see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and\nphobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other\nsocially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through\ntheir own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus Christ,\nno more and no less than we do. I\'ve said this before, but I think\nit\'s a good analogy. People with AIDS are modern-day lepers. Jesus\nhealed many lepers. He can also heal people with AIDS, maybe not on\nthis earth, but in an ultimate sense. My next-door neighbor has AIDS.\nShe has recently come to have a much deeper and more committed \nrelationship with God. Her theology isn\'t what I would want it to be,\nbut God\'s grace covers her. The amazing thing is that she is gaining\nweight (she\'s had the disease for over 2 years) and her health is\nexcellent apart from occassional skin rashes and such. She attributes\nher improvement in her health to God\'s intervention in her life. Who\nare we to suggest that her disease is some kind of punishment? It\nseems to me that God is being glorified through her disease.\n\nPaul Overstreet, the country singer, has a good song title that I \nthink applies to all of us - But for the Grace of God, There Go I\n(or something like that).\n\nMay we all experience and accept God\'s grace.\n>\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed\n>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |here are my own; they do not\n>..!uunet!gcx1!marka |reflect the opinion or policies\n>The Lost Los Angelino |of Harris Corporation.\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n===============================================================================\nPaul Conditt\t\tInternet: conditt@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu\nApplied Research\tPhone:\t (512) 835-3422 FAX: (512) 835-3416/3259\n Laboratories\t\tFedex:\t 10000 Burnet Road, Austin, Texas 78758-4423\nUniversity of Texas\tPostal:\t P.O. Box 8029, Austin, Texas 78713-8029\nAustin, Texas <----- the most wonderful place in Texas to live\n\n\n TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT \n TTT TTT TTT \n TTT \n TTTTTTTTTTTTT Texas Tech Lady Raiders\n TT TTT TT 1992-93 SWC Champions\n TTT 1992-93 NCAA National Champions\n TTT\n TTTTTTT\n',
'From: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (Rich Long)\nSubject: Icom 02AT for sale\nReply-To: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations\nLines: 35\n\n\nI am looking to sell my ICOM IC-02AT and extras. I have the \nfollowing:\nCM-12 Battery\nHS-10 Headset\nHS-10SA VOX unit\nCigarette Adapter\nLeather Case\nBC-25V Wall Charger\nIC-BP3 Battery\t\tAlso have one that needs a new cell (i think, \nits been a while)\n\nIt is in good condition, has a scratch on the front that is not \nvisible when in the leather case.\n\nIf you are interested, make me an offer.\n\n--rich\n\n\n-- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting --\nM>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9G-W:7-S($AE;\'9E=&EC83M]"EQM\nM87)G;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7\'!A<F1<=\'@U,S-<=\'@Q,#8W7\'1X,38P,5QT\nM>#(Q,S5<=\'@R-C8X7\'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<=\'@T,C<P7\'1X-#@P,UQT>#4S\nM,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"DD@86T@;&]O:VEN\nM9R!T;R!S96QL(&UY($E#3TT@24,M,#)!5"!A;F0@97AT<F%S+B`@22!H879E\nM(\'1H92!F;VQL;W=I;F<Z7`I#32TQ,B!"871T97)Y7`I(4RTQ,"!(96%D<V5T\nM7`I(4RTQ,%-!(%9/6"!U;FET7`I#:6=A<F5T=&4@061A<\'1E<EP*3&5A=&AE\nM<B!#87-E7`I"0RTR-58@5V%L;"!#:&%R9V5R7`I)0RU"4#,@0F%T=&5R>0D)\nM06QS;R!H879E(&]N92!T:&%T(&YE961S(&$@;F5W(&-E;&P@*&D@=&AI;FLL\nM(&ET<R!B965N(&$@=VAI;&4I7`I<"DET(&ES(&EN(&=O;V0@8V]N9&ET:6]N\nM+"!H87,@82!S8W)A=&-H(&]N(\'1H92!F<F]N="!T:&%T(&ES(&YO="!V:7-I\nM8FQE(\'=H96X@:6X@=&AE(&QE871H97(@8V%S92Y<"EP*268@>6]U(&%R92!I\nK;G1E<F5S=&5D+"!M86ME(&UE(&%N(&]F9F5R+EP*7`HM+7)I8VA<"@I]"B!I\n`\n',
'From: censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn)\nSubject: Macintosh Lisa Dot Matrix Parallel Printer\nOrganization: Dept of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland\nLines: 15\n\nI have got a dot matrix printer that came with a Lisa (I think) I wish to attach it to a PC, but have no manual. I have been told that it is some sort of C.Itoh printer in disguise. Can anyone help with manuals or info about codes to send to select fonts, italics etc. I want to write a printer driver for Protext.\n\nThanks in advance\n\nStuart\n\n=========================================================================\nStuart Munn\t\tDOD# 0717\nHeriot-Watt University "The sky is BLACK . . .\nEdinburgh therefore GOD, he is a St Mirren\nScotland, EH14 4AS supporter!!!"\n031 451-3265\n031 451-3261 FAX God may have a Harley . . .\nE-Mail censwm@UK.AC.HW.CLUST (JANET) But the Pope rides a Guzzi! \n=========================================================================\n',
'From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.144533.6779@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes:\n>In <C5q0HK.KoD@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes:\n>\n>>Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number\n>>of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as\n>>things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, "APOLLO") rather than under\t\n>>the image subject.\t\n>>\n>For those of you who don\'t need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF\n>of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere.\n>E-mail me and I\'ll send it you...\n\nBeware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company\nthat generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took\nhundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images,\nso it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon.\n',
"From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu\n\n'>First off, with all these huge software packages and files that\n'>they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\n\n\tMicropolis seems to have broken this limit. They have IDE 560meg\n and 1050meg HD's available. \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tGreg Greene\n ggg@kepler.unh.edu\n\n\n'>Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'\n'>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |\n'>The Lost Los Angelino |\n",
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 170\n\n Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010\n Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n +-------------------------------------------------------+\n | |\n | On the way the driver says, "In fact there aren\'t any |\n | Armenians left. \'They burned them all, beat them all, |\n | and stabbed them." |\n |\t\t\t\t\t\t\t|\n +-------------------------------------------------------+\n\nDEPOSITION OF VANYA BAGRATOVICH BAZIAN\n\n Born 1940\n Foreman\n Baku Spetsmontazh Administration (UMSMR-1)\n\n Resident at Building 36/7, Apartment 9\n Block 14\n Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nDuring the first days of the events, the 27th and the 28th [of February], I\nwas away on a business trip. On the 10th I had got my crew, done the paper-\nwork, and left for the Zhdanov District. That\'s in Azerbaijan, near the\nNagorno Karabagh region.\n\nAfter the 14th, rumors started to the effect that in Karabagh, specifically\nin Stepanakert, an uprising had taken place. They said "uprising" in\nAzerbaijani, but I don\'t think it was really an uprising, just a \ndemonstration. After that the unrest started. Several Armenians living in the \nZhdanov District were injured. How were they injured? They were beaten, even \nwomen; it was said that they were at the demonstrations, but they live here, \nand went from here to Karabagh to demonstrate. After that I felt uneasy. There\nwere some conversations about Armenians among the local population: the\nArmenians had done this, the Armenians had done that. Right there at the site.\nI was attacked a couple of times by kids. Well true, the guys from my crew \nwouldn\'t let them come at me with cables and knives. After that I felt really \nbad. I didn\'t know where to go. I up and called home. And my children tell me,\n"There\'s unrest everywhere, be careful." Well I had a project going on. I told\nthe Second Secretary of the District Party Committee what had been going on \nand said I wanted to take my crew off the site. They wouldn\'t allow it, they \nsaid, "Nothing\'s going to happen to you, we\'ve entrusted the matter to the \npolice, we\'ve warned everyone in the district, nothing will happen to you." \nWell, in fact they did especially detail us a policeman to look after me, he \nknows all the local people and would protect me if something happened. This\nman didn\'t leave me alone for five minutes: he was at work the whole time and \nafterward he spent the night with us, too.\n\nI sense some disquiet and call home; my wife also tells me, "The situation is\nvery tense, be careful."\n\nWe finished the job at the site, and I left for Sumgait first thing on the\nmorning of the 29th. When we left the guys warned me, they told me that I\nshouldn\'t tell anyone on the way that I was an Armenian. I took someone else\'s\nbusiness travel documents, in the name of Zardali, and hid my own. I hid it \nand my passport in my socks. We set out for Baku. Our guys were on the bus, \nthey sat behind, and I sat up front. In Baku they had come to me and said that\nthey had to collect all of our travel documents just in case. As it turns out \nthey knew what was happening in Sumgait.\n\nI arrive at the bus station and there they tell me that the city of Sumgait is\nclosed, there is no way to get there. That the city is closed off and the \nbuses aren\'t running. Buses normally leave Baku for Sumgait almost every two\nminutes. And suddenly--no buses. Well, we tried to get there via private\ndrivers. One man, an Azerbaijani, said, "Let\'s go find some other way to get\nthere." They found a light transport vehicle and arranged for the driver to\ntake us to Sumgait.\n\nHe took us there. But the others had said, "I wouldn\'t go if you gave me a\nthousand rubles." "Why?" "Because they\'re burning the city and killing the\nArmenians. There isn\'t an Armenian left." Well I got hold of myself so I could\nstill stand up. So we squared it away, the four of us got in the car, and we \nset off for Sumgait. On the way the driver says, "In fact there aren\'t any\nArmenians left. \'They burned them all, beat them all, and stabbed them." Well \nI was silent. The whole way--20-odd miles--I was silent. The driver asks me, \n"How old are you, old man?" He wants to know: if I\'m being that quiet, not \nsaying anything, maybe it means I\'m an Armenian. "How old are you?" he asks \nme. I say, "I\'m 47." "I\'m 47 too, but I call you \'old man\'." I say, "It \ndepends on God, each person\'s life in this world is different." I look much\nolder than my years, that\'s why he called me old man. Well after that he was\nsilent, too.\n\nWe\'re approaching the city, I look and see tanks all around, and a cordon.\nBefore we get to the Kavkaz store the driver starts to wave his hand. Well, he\nwas waving his hand, we all start waving our hands. I\'m sitting there with\nthem, I start waving my hand, too. I realized that this was a sign that meant\nthere were no Armenians with us.\n\nI look at the city--there is a crowd of people walking down the middle of the \nstreet, you know, and there\'s no traffic. Well probably I was scared. They\nstopped our car. People were standing on the sidewalks. They have armature \nshafts, and stones . . . And they stopped us . . .\n\nAlong the way the driver tells us how they know who\'s an Armenian and who\'s \nnot. The Armenians usually . . . For example, I\'m an Armenian, but I speak \ntheir language very well. Well Armenians usually pronounce the Azeri word for \n"nut," or "little nut," as "pundukh," but "fundukh" is actually correct. The \npronunciations are different. Anyone who says "pundukh," even if they\'re not \nArmenian, they immediately take out and start to slash. Another one says, \n"There was a car there, with five people inside it," he says. "They started \nhitting the side of it with an axe and lit it on fire. And they didn\'t let the\npeople out," he says, "they wouldn\'t let them get out of the car." I only saw \nthe car, but the driver says that he saw everything. Well he often drives from\nBaku to Sumgait and back . . .\n\nWhen they stop us we all get out of the car. I look and there\'s a short guy,\nhis eyes are gleaming, he has an armature shaft in one hand and a stone in\nthe other and asks the guys what nationality they are one by one. "We\'re\nAzerbaijani,\' they tell him, \'no Armenians here." He did come up to me when \nwe were pulling our things out and says, "Maybe you\'re an Armenian, old man?" \nBut in Azerbaijani I say, "You should be ashamed of yourself!" And . . . he \nleft. Turned and left. That was all that happened. What was I to do? I had \nto . . . the city was on fire, but I had to steal my children out of my own \nhome.\n\nThey stopped us at the entrance to Mir Street, that\'s where the Kavkaz store \nand three large, 12-story buildings are. That\'s the beginning of down-town. I \nsaw that burned automobile there, completely burned, only metal remained. I \ncouldn\'t figure out if it was a Zhiguli or a Zaporozhets. Later I was told it \nwas a Zhiguli. And the people in there were completely incinerated. Nothing \nremained of them, not even any traces. That driver had told me about it, and I\nsaw the car myself. The car was there. The skeleton, a metallic carcass. About\n30 to 40 yards from the Kavkaz store.\n\nI see a military transport, an armored personnel carrier. The hatches are\nclosed. And people are throwing armature shafts and pieces of iron at it, the\ncrowd is. And I hear shots, not automatic fire, it\'s true, but pistol shots.\nSeveral shots. There were Azerbaijanis crowded around that personnel carrier. \nSomeone in the crowd was shooting. Apparently they either wanted to kill the \nsoldiers or get a machine gun or something. At that point there was only one \narmored personnel carrier. And all the tanks were outside the city, cordoning \noff Sumgait.\n\nI walked on. I see two Azerbaijanis going home from the plant. I can tell by \ntheir gait that they\'re not bandits, they\'re just people, walking home. I\njoined them so in case something happened, in case someone came up to us\nand asked questions, either of us would be in a position to answer, you see.\nBut I avoided the large groups because I\'m a local and might be quickly \nrecognized. I tried to keep at a distance, and walked where there were fewer\npeople. Well so I walked into Microdistrict 2, which is across from our block.\nI can\'t get into our block, but I walked where there were fewer people, so as \nto get around. Well there I see a tall guy and 25 to 30 people are walking \nbehind him. And he\'s shouting into a megaphone: "Comrades, the Armenian-\nAzerbaijani war has begun!"\n\nThe police have megaphones like that. So they\'re talking and walking around \nthe second microdistrict. I see that they\'re coming my way, and turn off \nbehind a building. I noticed that they walked around the outside buildings, \nand inside the microdistricts there were about 5 or 6 people standing on every\ncorner, and at the middles of the buildings, and at the edges. What they were \ndoing I can\'t say, because I couldn\'t get up close to them, I was afraid. But \nthe most important thing was to get away from there, to get home, and at least\nfind out if my children were alive or not . . .\n\n April 20, 1988\n Yerevan\n\n\t\t - - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 158-160\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
'From: kwyatt@ccscola.columbiasc.ncr.com (Kershner Wyatt)\nSubject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy\nOrganization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC\nLines: 79\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.27.1993.28403@athos.rutgers.edu> creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes:\n>In article <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu> jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes:\n>\n> On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were "invited" to take the role of\n>Jesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the\n>liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so\n>therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but\n>to no avail.\n>\n>>musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the\n>>liturgy and since no one knows what\'s happening, the new things have to be\n>>explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we\'re just\n>>sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about\n>>to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay\n>>people to be aware of the Lord\'s presence.\n\nAs a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the\n"innovations" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return\nto the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans.\n\nI spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in\nthe Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful. Our Lutheran parish just\ninstituted the "Tenebrae" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for \na paraphrased Passion which was exceptional. I heard and learned things\nthat I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those "facts" were\nalways there. As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about\nthe differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over\nbreakfast Easter Sunday.\n>\n> As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem\n>is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of\n>innovations. The priests don\'t seem even to _want_ to make any\n>decisions of their own in many cases. I guess it\'s easier to "try\n>something new" than it is to refuse to allow it.\n\nMy wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music\nand worship at our church). Our pastor does have control of this committee\nbut listens very carefully to the committee\'s suggestions. It needs a strong\nhand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong\nas it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year. Additional\nreason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual\nguidance by priests in my parishes. AKA "wishy-washy".\n \nAs you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir-\nregardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service/Mass which promotes\nthe true reason that we are gathered there. I am quite comfortable in a\ntraditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament\nof PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth.\nThe reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings\nare not shared by everyone.\n\nI want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don\'t want \nthem attending a show. It\'s not. My church works hard to have a meaningful\nservice during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of\nWorship guidelines. Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such\nas the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it\nis Not there.\n\nQuite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and "fit in".\nMy dear wife never could (former Methodist). And Holy Week Masses and Vigils\nwould intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic. Those Catholics who\nhave beared with me this far understand what I mean.\n\nPlease keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship. Not\nto worry about how something is done or not done. If there is something\nwrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or\npastor. I have only ever met one who wouldn\'t listen. They are there to \nprovide spiritual guidance and to help. Use them. My differences with\nthe Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change\nfaiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and\nministers.\n\nIn Christ,\nKershner\n-- \nKershner Wyatt\nkwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com\n\nMy opinions are my own and aren\'t necessarily my employer\'s.\n',
'From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:\n>\n>I\'m thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people\n>this I usually get an answer like "Why do you want to do that\n>My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle\n>and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?"\n>\n>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"? \n\nIt\'s exactly as dangerous as it looks. You\'re hard to see and have little\nprotection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your\nmachine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid\nmove that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it\'s fun, but\nstaying alive takes a conscious effort.\n\nI\'ve bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV\n got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n',
"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)\nSubject: Re: How many homosexuals are there?\nNntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <Apr.15.21.39.43.1993.8726@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:\n>Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study\n>(discrediting Kinsey) says so.\n\nWow, does this mean 2 out of 5 homosexuals will be at the March\non Washington? How *very* interesting.\n\ncpk\n-- \nIt's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is?\n\nSlick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid\nof what he might grab hold of.\n",
"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nNntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au\nOrganization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia\nLines: 27\n\ncfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:\n\n>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards\n>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation \n>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and \n>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. \n>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people \n>experience. \n\nI agree, I reckon it's television and the increase in fundamentalism.. You\nthink its the increase in pre-marital sex... others thinks its because\npsychologists have taken over the criminal justice system and let violent\ncriminals con them into letting them out into the streets... others think\nit's the increase in designer drugs... others think it's a communist plot.\nBasically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society\nare far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the\npanic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one\nthings for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not\ndue solely to sex out of marriage.\n\nJeff.\n\n>> \n>> Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view.\n>> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au \n\n>cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu \n",
'From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)\nSubject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard?\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 15\n\nsmith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith) writes:\n>Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of\n>command-option for desktop rebuilds.\n\nI tried the right set and it didn\'t work. I\'m on the phone to their\ntech support right now and the guys doesn\'t know what a desktop\nrebuild is!!! He\'s got me holding for someone else...............\nAnd holding, and holding, and holding.\n\nOk they finally got back to me and said basically "it should work".\nWell it doens\'t and they don\'t know why. Guess it will go back to\nMacConnection and I\'ll buy something else. I\'ve got better things\nto do than play musical keyboards.\n-Terry\n\n',
"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nSubject: Re: Davidians and compassion\nReply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nOrganization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <sandvik-190493200420@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire\n>on their house, killing most of the people inside.\n>\n>I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what\n>they were doing, and it's their own actions.\n>\n>What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside,\n>including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful\n>conditions.\n>\n>If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud\n>that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions.\n>\n>You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare\n>the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all.\n>\n>I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity\n>knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think \n>the actions today would produce a good picture of your \n>religion?\n>\n>\n>Kent\n>\n>---\n>sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n\n\nSurely you are not equating David Koresh with Christianity? The two are\nnot comparable.\n",
'From: bradd@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Brad A Davis)\nSubject: For Sale: 386/25MHz motherboard (or system) with 8 megabytes\nSummary: 386DX/25 system w/8Mb for $475; motherboard alone for $325\nArticle-I.D.: pdxgate.7251\nDistribution: or\nOrganization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 30\n\nI recently upgraded to a 486 and have found out I don\'t really have a need\nfor my old 386. I\'d prefer to sell just the motherboard and keep the case\netc, so I\'ll offer the motherboard and case separately and let you decide.\n\nI\'m asking $325 for the motherboard, which has:\n 25Mhz 386 DX (not SX)\n 8 megabytes of 32-bit, 70ns memory\n AMI BIOS\n based on C&T NEAT chipset\n \t(this means the motherboard and bus circuitry timings are\n\tprogrammable - the BIOS\' advanced configuration menus let you\n\tselect system, DMA, bus clock, wait states, command delays, etc.)\n "baby AT" sized - fits in mini-tower, full-sized or most any other case\n(Includes User\'s Guide and a copy of the BIOS reference manual)\n\nFor $150 more you could have the rest of the system too:\n full-size AT case with 200(?) watt power supply\n 2 serial, 1 parallel, 1 game ports\n 20Mb hard disk\n 1.2Mb floppy disk\n keyboard\n video card (choice of VGA or ???)\n\nIf you\'re interested, please give me a call. The system is set up at my house\nin Aloha, and you\'re welcome to come test drive it.\n\nRandom drivel from the keyboard of: +---+\n Brad Davis, NCD Inc, Beaverton OR | | Network Computing Devices\n bradd@pcx.ncd.com (503) 642-9927 |NCD| PC-XDivision\n (office)(503) 671-8431 +---+\n',
'From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Moonbase race\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 26\n\nFrom: Gene Wright <gene@theporch.raider.net>\n\n>With the continuin talk about the "End of the Space Age" and complaints\n>by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about\n>that might just work.\n\n>Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation\n>who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.\n>Then you\'d see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin\n>to be developed. THere\'d be a different kind of space race then!\n\nI\'ll say! Imagine that there were a couple groups up there, maybe landing\na few weeks apart. The year-mark starts coming on for the first group.\nIsn\'t a billion pretty good incentive to take a shot at a potential\nwinner? "Yeah, that\'s a shame that Team A\'s life support gave out\nso close to the deadline. Thanks for the billion."\n\nOn the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks\nin space, in 1970 dollars, then won\'t the reward have to be a lot more\nthan only 1 billion to get any takers?\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>I don\'t expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind.\n>In fact, I don\'t have any evidence that lions ever consider such \n>issues.\n>And that, of course, is why I don\'t think you can assign moral\n>significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions.\n\nWhat I\'ve been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.\nThat is, it doesn\'t take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to\nbe immoral (in some cases). Also, I\'ve said that morality is a remnant\nof evolution. Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in\nthe animal kingdom.\n\n>>So you are basically saying that you think a "moral" is an undefinable\n>>term, and that "moral systems" don\'t exist? If we can\'t agree on a\n>>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them?\n>No, it\'s perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral\n>is in *my* system, but that I can\'t speak for other people.\n\nBut, this doesn\'t get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant\nunless you can share them or discuss them...\n\nkeith\n',
"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)\nSubject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:\n>In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:\n\n>>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin\n>>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd\n>>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.\n>\n>Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in\n>12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is\n>a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @\n>103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.\n>\n>BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out\n>run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old\n>KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for\n>no-one...\n\nNot too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was\n3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a\n11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600\nthese days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the\nonly thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS\nacross three states than any of the 600's.\n\nI guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12\nsecond 400 didn't seem too far out of line.\n-- \nBlaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland\nbgardner@dsd.es.com\n",
'From: ricktait@bnr.co.uk (Rick Tait)\nSubject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me.\nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.20.192.158\nOrganization: Network Management Systems, Bell Northern Research.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nDistribution: na\nLines: 45\n\nNathaniel Sammons (ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu) wrote on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 02:36:36 GMT: \n> If the gov establishes a cryptography standard that has to be used by\n> everyone, and everyone\'s personal key is divided into two segments\n> and stored at two separate, albeit easy to find places, and that key is\n> only 80 bits to begin with, we are screwed (pardon the allusion to the \n> affore-mentioned article)!\n\n> The gov, I believe, as do many others probably already have the cracking chips\n> for this Clipper Chip made. Hell, they probably based the encoder on the \n> chip that cracks it, that way it\'s easier to break the code, but since it is a \n> classified algorythm, no one knows that they can crack it so easily.\n\nAgreed. No agency such as the NSA (or whoever) would approve the public \nrelease of a crypto-system, if they didn\'t already have the technical\nmeans or the know-how to decrypt everything at their whim. Surely the whole\npoint of all this madness is to make Joe Public think that his/her\ncommunications will be kept safe, while James Bond at the NSA can, if need\nbe, have full, decrypted access to someone\'s communications? That\'ll be\nquite a heist, if they can pull it off. \n\n\nI thought that the US Government were going to release the algorithm to a\npanel of "carefully chosen experts", who would then "study it deeply, and\nreport their findings"? Exactly who will these people be? Academics? Or\nGovernment-sponsored researchers? Tiny-toons?\n\n> I, for one, and quite scared of this kind of thing, and plan to support \n> organizations (and even disorganizations) who are fighting against this\n> Clipper Chip in any way that I can.\n\nI can only hope that the same sort of thing doesn\'t start filtering over\ninto the ears of the UK Government, and if the European Parliament gets\nwind of it, well, we can kiss goodbye to any form of Democracy in Europe \nat all.\n\n> I do not want the government to be able to have access, even with a search\n> warrant, to my keys... and I don\'t want those keys to be only 80 bits long\n> to begin with!\n\nHallelujah! :-)\n--\nRick M. Tait Bell Northern Research Europe\nTel: +44-81-945-3352, Fax: +44-81-945-3352 Network Management Systems\n<PGP 2.2 public key available on request> New Southgate, London. UK\nemail: ricktait@bnr.co.uk || rt@cix.compulink.co.uk || ricktait@bnr.ca\n',
'Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sun, April 4, 1993\nFrom: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nLines: 210\n\nNY Rangers 3 1 0--4\nWashington 0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n 1, NY Rangers, Graves 33 (Turcotte, Lowe) 9:13.\n 2, NY Rangers, Gartner 44 (Messier) 11:21.\n 3, NY Rangers, Olczyk 21 (Messier, Amonte) 14:57.\nSecond period\n 4, NY Rangers, Beukeboom 2 (unassisted) 3:30.\nThird period\n No scoring.\n\nNY Rangers: 4 Power play: 4-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAmonte 0 1 1\nBeukeboom 1 0 1\nGartner 1 0 1\nGraves 1 0 1\nLowe 0 1 1\nMessier 0 2 2\nOlczyk 1 0 1\nTurcotte 0 1 1\n\nWashington: 0 Power play: 3-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nBoston 0 2 1--3\nBuffalo 0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n No scoring.\nSecond period\n 1, Boston, Leach 24 (Wesley, Oates) pp, 1:03.\n 2, Boston, Oates 44 (Douris, Poulin) 9:00.\nThird period\n 3, Boston, Douris 4 (Bourque) sh, 0:55.\n\nBoston: 3 Power play: 5-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBourque 0 1 1\nDouris 1 1 2\nLeach 1 0 1\nOates 1 1 2\nPoulin 0 1 1\nWesley 0 1 1\n\nBuffalo: 0 Power play: 6-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nPittsburgh 1 3 1--5\nNew Jersey 0 1 1--2\nFirst period\n 1, Pittsburgh, Francis 23 (Lemieux, Tocchet) pp, 13:25.\nSecond period\n 2, Pittsburgh, Murphy 21 (Francis, Mullen) sh, 0:38.\n 3, Pittsburgh, Francis 24 (Tocchet, Lemieux) pp, 7:14.\n 4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 33 (Tocchet, Francis) pp, 15:22.\n 5, New Jersey, Zelepukin 17 (Driver, Lemieux) pp, 19:07.\nThird period\n 6, New Jersey, MacLean 23 (Nicholls, Stevens) 6:45.\n 7, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 62 (Jagr) en, 19:51.\n\nPittsburgh: 5 Power play: 9-3 Special goals: pp: 3 sh: 1 en: 1 Total: 5\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nFrancis 2 2 4\nJagr 1 1 2\nLemieux 1 2 3\nMullen 0 1 1\nMurphy 1 0 1\nTocchet 0 3 3\n\nNew Jersey: 2 Power play: 9-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nDriver 0 1 1\nLemieux 0 1 1\nMacLean 1 0 1\nNicholls 0 1 1\nStevens 0 1 1\nZelepukin 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nToronto 0 0 0--0\nPhiladelphia 2 1 1--4\nFirst period\n 1, Philadelphia, Dineen 31 (Beranek, Hawgood) 8:10.\n 2, Philadelphia, McGill 3 (Lindros, Recchi) 19:55.\nSecond period\n 3, Philadelphia, Lindros 38 (Recchi, Galley) 7:55.\nThird period\n 4, Philadelphia, Dineen 32 (Hawgood, Galley) pp, 18:39.\n\nPhiladelphia: 4 Power play: 4-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBeranek 0 1 1\nDineen 2 0 2\nGalley 0 2 2\nHawgood 0 2 2\nLindros 1 1 2\nMcGill 1 0 1\nRecchi 0 2 2\n\nToronto: 0 Power play: 6-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nVancouver 0 2 1--3\nOttawa 0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n No scoring.\nSecond period\n 1, Vancouver, Plavsic 6 (Craven) 13:05.\n 2, Vancouver, Momesso 17 (Nedved, Plavsic) pp, 15:52.\nThird period\n 3, Vancouver, Bure 57 (unassisted) 13:27.\n\nVancouver: 3 Power play: 4-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBure 1 0 1\nCraven 0 1 1\nMomesso 1 0 1\nNedved 0 1 1\nPlavsic 1 1 2\n\nOttawa: 0 Power play: 5-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nSt. Louis 2 0 2--4\nChicago 4 0 1--5\nFirst period\n 1, Chicago, Sutter 18 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 1:08.\n 2, St. Louis, Janney 20 (Shanahan, J.Brown) pp, 6:49.\n 3, Chicago, Roenick 44 (Chelios, Smith) pp, 8:20.\n 4, Chicago, Roenick 45 (Sutter, Chelios) pp, 13:14.\n 5, Chicago, Graham 19 (Gilbert, Ruuttu) 13:42.\n 6, St. Louis, Janney 21 (Shanahan, Crossman) 19:38.\nSecond period\n No scoring.\nThird period\n 7, Chicago, Murphy 5 (Chelios, Belfour) 0:20.\n 8, St. Louis, Miller 21 (Hull, Janney) pp, 7:04.\n 9, St. Louis, Janney 22 (Miller, Shanahan) 19:32.\n\nChicago: 5 Power play: 8-3\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBelfour 0 1 1\nChelios 0 4 4\nGilbert 0 1 1\nGraham 1 0 1\nMurphy 1 1 2\nRoenick 2 0 2\nRuuttu 0 1 1\nSmith 0 1 1\nSutter 1 1 2\n\nSt. Louis: 4 Power play: 4-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBrown J 0 1 1\nCrossman 0 1 1\nHull 0 1 1\nJanney 3 1 4\nMiller 1 1 2\nShanahan 0 3 3\n\n-----------------------------------------\nCalgary 1 2 1--4\nSan Jose 1 0 2--3\nFirst period\n 1, Calgary, Otto 19 (Yawney, Ashton) pp, 5:29.\n 2, San Jose, Odgers 10 (Pederson, Wilkinson) 18:33.\nSecond period\n 3, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 34 (Johansson, Reese) 2:03.\n 4, Calgary, Reichel 35 (Skrudland, Berube) 12:22.\nThird period\n 5, Calgary, Ashton 7 (Otto, Fleury) 1:30.\n 6, San Jose, Pederson 9 (Odgers, Evason) 2:24.\n 7, San Jose, Odgers 11 (Gaudreau, Evason) pp, 19:30.\n\nCalgary: 4 Power play: 5-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAshton 1 1 2\nBerube 0 1 1\nFleury 0 1 1\nJohansson 0 1 1\nNieuwendyk 1 0 1\nOtto 1 1 2\nReese 0 1 1\nReichel 1 0 1\nSkrudland 0 1 1\nYawney 0 1 1\n\nSan Jose: 3 Power play: 5-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nEvason 0 2 2\nGaudreau 0 1 1\nOdgers 2 1 3\nPederson 1 1 2\nWilkinson 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\n',
"From: schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nNntp-Posting-Host: silene\nOrganization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5LErr.1J3@rahul.net>, bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:\n|> In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:\n|> \n|> >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\n|> >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\n|> >Thanks!\n|> > \n|> \n|> Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do\n|> any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is\n|> so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND\n|> graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have\n|> X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like\n|> doc, image viewers like xv, etc.\n|> \n\nSorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes\nwith Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows.\nSo at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't\nthink that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is\nnot very nice.\n\nBest Regards,\n\nArno\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nArno Schaefer\t\t\t\tENSIMAG, 2e Annee\nEmail: schaefer@silene.imag.fr\nTel.: (33) 76 51 79 95\t\t\t:-)\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto)\nSubject: Re: X-server multi screen\nOrganization: be41t\nLines: 37\n\nrainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes:\n\n>Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you:\n\n>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing.\n>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean:\n\n>\t-) multi-screen\n>\t-) multi-headed\n>\t-) multi-display\n>\t-) X-Server zaphod mode\n\n>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle\n>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ?\n\n>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one\n>screen/display to another.\n\n>Any hints welcome.\n\n>Thanks, rainer.\n>-- \n>Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961\n>ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387\n>Penzingerstr. 76 |\n>A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at\n\nAs to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit\nwould be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the\nserver.\n\n\n-- \nIndecision is the key to | Timothy E. Neto (206) 655-5190 1 000\nflexibility, & you can't | Of B & T's Gadget & Widget Works 1 0. .0\nE-Mail God. | Flight Systems Lab, Boeing Comm. Aircraft 1 0 _ 0\nMy ideas not Boeing's | Internet: ten0772@aw401.fsl.ca.boeing.com 1 000\n",
"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes:\n>\n> Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of \n>the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why \n>bother.\n\nI'd be willing to make two wagers:\n1) Snow doesn't win ROY.\n2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.\n\nI'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a\nplayer, and he is on a losing team.\n\nI'm skeptical of the second because of his back. Mattingly is 32 this\nyear, and how many players play until they are 40? Not too many, and\nmost of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32.\n\nCould be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to\nbet...\n\nCheers,\n-Valentine\n",
'From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nOrganization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <1qp5juINNgu5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr14.135948.3024@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, \n> tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) said:\n> \n>> A good case? A F**KING GOOD CASE? The defense lawyer asked the victim\n>> questions like "what kind of sexual perversions do you participate\n>> in?" and you think he made a good case?????\n> \n> Speaking as someone who\'s only about six weeks and a $6,900 tuition bill\n> away from becoming an unemployed slob with a law degree, I\'d really like\n> to see a transcript of this trial. I\'d especially like to know what\n> happened immediately after the defense attorney asked that question\n> (assuming that the reports that he did so are accurate... I\'m not\n> accusing Tom Farrell of making anything up, but this _is_ the sort of\n> case that spawns garbled misquotes, false rumors and urban legends like\n> tribbles). It\'d be nice to think that the prosecutor objected\n> (irrelevant, prejudicial, inflammatory... take your pick) and that the\n> judge upheld the objection.\n>\nI did hear this question asked during a radio news update of the case. (They\nwere talking about the ongoing trial and had some audio clips). Immediately\nafter the defense attorney asked the question, there was an "Objection!" heard\nin the background. The clip ended at that point so I don\'t know if the\nobjection was upheld. I can\'t imagine NC is *that* bad. \n\n>> The arresting officer said the bastards told him they did it on\n>> purpose and hoped the victim would die, and you think the defense made\n>> a good case????? No wonder we\'re losing! We\'re aparently not trying\n>> to win!\n> \n> Again, I\'d like to see the transcript... I\'d read the latter bit of that\n> in the news media (the arresting officer testifying that one of the\n> defendants calmly asked him about the condition of the "homo" and said\n> that he hoped he\'d die) but this is the first I\'ve heard of the officer\n> testifying that one of the defendants actually said that he did anything\n> at all, let alone that he did it on purpose.\n>\nThis I didn\'t hear as an audio clip but heard it reported a number of times on\nnews stories both during and after the trial. Now the "we did it on purpose"\nthing is stretching, I think it was something more like--he had it coming. If\nsomebody else remebers better than I on this second point, feel free to\nclarify. \n \nFrank\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nFrank R. Chloupek \nCHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu \nDepartment of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University\n(Not just any Ohio State University) \n\n"There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: \nsomebody else\'s place."\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t--P.J. O\'Rourke\n\n\n',
'Subject: LCD Overhead Projectors\nFrom: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande)\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA\nNntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156\nLines: 13\n\nI am looking for one of those color LCD screens you\nplace on an overhead projector and control the presentation\nwith a Mac.\n\nCan you recommend me a particular brand?\nWhat price are we talking about?\n\nThanks, \n-- \nJan Vandenbrande\njan@ug.eds.com\t\t\t(New address)\njan@lipari.usc.edu\t\t(school address, forwards)\nUUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan\n',
'From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley)\nSubject: Re: Can I Change "Licensed To" Data in Windows 3.1?\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\n: write over the "Licensed to:", but you can\'t change the name underneth it. I\n: think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we\'re not\n: going to promote that here.\n: \n\nNot so! My computer was supplied with my name in an \'interesting\'\nmix of upper and lower case, and my workplace mis-typed. I\'m\ngetting fed up with being \'CMyearslEY\' at \'KEEL UNVERSITY\'!\nIt took me 20 (!) phone calls to the supplier to get the computer\nworking at all. I really can\'t face tackling them again....\n\n\nChris\n',
"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality \nOrganization: Microsoft Corp.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 103\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr02.025636.23256@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:\n>/Why would it be immoral to hurt someone else? \n>\n/(me)\n>Because you wouldn't want it to happen to you.\n\n/(hudson)\n/Why does that make something immoral?\n\n\n\nBecause you are not being consistent. Moral systems must be consistent.\n\nA person who thinks they can inflict pain on others, but doesn't want it \ninflicted upon themselves, has a double standard. And double standards are\na violation of *any* moral system.\n\n\n\n\n\n(me)\n>Morality defines how we interact with other people; the rules that we\n>use to guide our daily affairs. Our conduct towards our fellow man. By\n>realizing that we don't like pain, we can also realize that other people\n>don't like it, either. \n\n/(hudson)\n/Of course we don't like pain. I don't like brussel sprouts. Are brussel\n/sprouts immoral?\n\nPain isn't immoral, stupid. Pain itself is just a physiological\nreaction. \n\nWhat >>is<< immoral is subjecting unwilling individuals to pain.\n\nOr brussel sprouts, for that matter.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n(hudson)\n>/Is it immoral to produce these same chemical reactions in a test tube?\n>\n(me)\n>It isn't the chemical reaction that is wrong, bozo. It's making the human\n>being UNDERGO THE EFFECTS of the chemical reaction. Sorry; your cute\n>little analogy didn't survive for very long under scrutiny.\n\n/(hudson)\n/Why would it be wrong to make humans undergo the effects of the reactions\n/if humans are composed only of matter? \n\nWhat humans are composed of isn't the qualifying criteria of whether or\nnot something would be wrong. \n\n\n\n\n/(hudson)\n/Is it wrong to make matter undergo chemical reactions?\n\nYes, if it is sentient matter.\n\n\n\n/(me)\n/>Nature is not a sentient force; there is no choice involved. Therefore,\n/>no question of morality.\n\n\n/(hudson)\n/I actually heard a geologist entertain the notion that matter had a will.\n/There is some sentient force out there. \n\nFine. I have also heard that the government is encoding the DNA for \na new race of superhumans in ordinary drinking water. \n\nWhat's your point?\n\n\n\n/(hudson)\n/If humans are made only of matter, then choices are also chemical reactions,\n/so why is choice an important issue.\n\nAnd if that is the case, then god is only an idea contained in the minds\nof people (formed of matter) and on printed pages (also formed of matter)\nand does not really exist. \n\nI can do the argumentem ad absurdium just as well as you can, but it \nwon't prove any points for you or me. Got anything relevant you want to \ntalk about, or are you just playing cute little games?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)\nSubject: Re: Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed Legislation\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1psstg$bbe\nReply-To: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 83\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, nigel.allen@canrem.com ("nigel allen") says:\n\n>\n>Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc.\n>\n> Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed\n>Legislation\n> To: State Desk\n> Contact: Susan Whitmore of Handgun Control Inc., 202-898-0792\n>\n> WASHINGTON, March 25 -- Following is a statement of Sarah \n>Brady regarding Texas state carrying concealed legislation:\n>\n> "A handful of lawmakers in Austin today have told the public that\n>their safety is of less importance than the interests of the National\n>Rifle Association. This action comes as local, state and federal law\n>enforcement officials continue their stand-off with a religious cult\n>that has highlighted the need for tougher gun laws, not weaker ones\n>like the carry concealed bill.\n\n "A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their\nright to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of\nHandgun Control, Inc. This action comes as local, state and federal law\nenforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian\ncompound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one\ntwo year old child at the hands of federal agents. This has highlighted\nthe need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children\nagainst the excesses of their own government."\n\n> "Any suggestion by proponents that this bill will help to reduce\n>crime is a distortion of the facts, at best. This so-called\n>crime-fighting law has resulted in a 16 percent increase in violent\n>crime in the state of Florida, and I have never heard law enforcement\n>officials bragging that more guns on the streets is the way to reduce\n>crime.\n\n "Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a \ndistortion of the facts, at best. The aggressive outreach by officials\nin central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in\nthe level of assault and rape in that area. Of course, this program is\na rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an\nunarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter \nrestrictions."\n\n> "The vote today is an insult to the law enforcement officials who\n>are putting their lives on the line every day to end the standoff in\n>Waco. The entire country now knows just how easy it is for an\n>individual bent on destruction to amass an arsenal of weapons. Texas\n>lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total\n>disregard for those law officials on the front lines, and the\n>families of those who have fallen.\n\n "The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large\nwho are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their\nlawful affairs. The entire country knows how vulnerable the average \ncitizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our\nown police. Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have\nshown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the\nfront lines, and the families of those who have fallen."\n\n> "I urge the House of Representatives to listen to the 70 percent\n>of Texans that oppose this measure, and reject this ill-conceived\n>legislation."\n\n "I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs\nof their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments\nfrom ideological fanatics."\n\n> -30-\n>-- \n> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario nigel.allen@canrem.com\n>--\n>Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario\n>416-629-7000/629-7044\n>\nAin\'t propaganda fun?\n\n-- \n******************************************************************************\nThe opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very\ncarefully thought out. It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the\nUniversity of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University.\n',
"From: mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R. Haverstock)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: Educational Computing Network\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu\n\n>Well, you young fellers won't remember, but we used to have side vent\n>front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them. These were\n>separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors\n>that pivoted outward at the rear edge. Worked like a charm.\n \nYeah, I loved the vent windows on my 82 Escort (hell, the only thing I liked\nabout the car). One of the things I'd like to see brought back. Does\nanyone know if they're an option on the new Escorts?\n\nTRH\n",
'Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography\nFrom: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)\nDistribution: inet\nOrganization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.\nNntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5uprt.GMq@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:\n>\n>>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it\n>>was posted encrypted?\n>\n>>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.\n>\n>In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they\n>are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the\n>EFF.\n\n\nIt also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn\'t mean\nthe ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to \n"win the hearts and minds" in favor of access to cryptography. \n\nIt\'s precisely slogans like "cryptography makes censorship impossible"\nwhich stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor\nof encryption. It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it\nwould be a dangerous red herring. Advocates of strong crypto had better\nprepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople\nand politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about\nConstitutional amendments are not enough.\n\n\n\nTal kubo@math.harvard.edu\n',
'From: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich)\nSubject: Searching for a phonetic font\nOrganization: Institut f. Arbeitsphysiologie a.d. Uni Dortmund\nLines: 13\n\nI\'m searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If \nanybody knows one, please mail me!\n\nThanks.\n\ndw \n\n\n##################################################################\nDipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 #\nweidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 #\nPhone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: "Koennten Sie das #\nFax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?" << #\n',
'From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things\nLines: 40\n\ntimmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >\n\n>OK, you have disproved one thing, but you failed to "nail" me.\n>\n>See, nowhere in my post did I claim that something _must_ be believed in. Here\n>are the three possibilities:\n>\n>\t1) God exists. \n>\t2) God does not exist.\n>\t3) I don\'t know.\n>\n>My attack was on strong atheism, (2). Since I am (3), I guess by what you said\n>below that makes me a weak atheist.\n [snip]\n>First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy. Why not try to be more honest\n>and include my sentence afterwards that \n\nHonest, it just ended like that, I swear! \n\nHmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and\nrude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls\npeople names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr\n\n"Clam" Bake Timmons = Bill "Shit Stirrer Connor"\n\nQ.E.D.\n\nWhirr click whirr...Frank O\'Dwyer might also be contained\nin that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr\n\n"Killfile" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank "Closet Theist" O\'Dwyer =\n\nthe mind reels. Maybe they\'re all Bobby Mozumder.\n\n-- \nMaddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com\nCentigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553\n\nKids, please don\'t try this at home. Remember, I post professionally.\n\n',
'From: cak3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW KAUFFMAN)\nSubject: Car alarm info. (UNGO BOX)\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 12\n\n\n\n\n I want to get a car alarm and I am thinking about getting an Ungo Box.\n Does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of\n these alarms? How about price ranges for the different models?\n Are these good car alarms? Please email me any responces.\n\n cak3@ns3.lehigh.edu\n\n Chad\n Chad\n',
'Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC\'s (Was: Cryptography Patents)\nFrom: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)\nOrganization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com\nLines: 22\n\nIn <C5LJ0t.K52@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) writes:\n\n>FACT: It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license\n>to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it. Furthermore,\n>any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent\n>law, is similarly unlawful. Therefore, the "average citizen" cannot use\n>RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP.\n\nWRONG: I don\'t think even PKP claims this one. It is not unlawful to\ndistribute code implementing RSA. It appears to be unlawful to use it, so\nI agree with your last sentence.\n\n>FACT: There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under\n>US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change. The only\n>impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP\'s\n>patents.\n\nYes, that\'s correct.\n--\nArthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea\n216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)\nMy opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.\n',
"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)\nSubject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? \nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes:\n>Road and Track (2/88) BMW325is 0-60 7.5s, 1/4 mile 15.7s\n> (Road Test \n> Annual 1993) 0-60 8.3s, 1/4 mile 16.2s\n>\n>\n>Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the\n>newer.\n\n\nsure sounds like they got a ringer. the 325is i drove was definitely\nfaster than that. if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows\n0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9. it quotes Car and Driver's figures\nof 6.9 and 15.3. oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.\n\ni don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it.\nbut don't take my word for it. go drive it.\n\n-teddy\n",
"From: debrown@hubcap.clemson.edu (David E. Brown)\nSubject: Re: Drivers for Stealth 24\nOrganization: Clemson University\nLines: 16\n\nDoug Ward writes:\n\n>I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received\n>the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper\n>drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with\n>this video card. Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu\n\n>Thank you\n>Doug Ward\n\nIf you want to get them and get them now (also the most up to date) use\nthe BBS at 1-408-439-9096. They may take an hour to download so do it\nwhen rates are low. Yeah, I know it costs but locking up your system\ngets old quick. Maybe someone has them on the net. I've got the\nStealth drivers.\n\t\t\t\t\tDavid\n",
'From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)\nSubject: The Mystery in the Paradox\nReply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)\nOrganization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD\nLines: 9\n\nI have been looking for a book that specifically addresses\nthe mystery of God in the paradox. I have read some that touch\non the subject in a chapter but would like a more detailed read.\n\nIs anyone aware of any books that deal with this subject.\n\nPlease e-mail me. Thanks.\n\nBarbara\n',
'From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson)\nSubject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nKeywords: catv cable television tvi\nOrganization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS\nLines: 14\n\nvictor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes:\n\n)Do you know what frequencies chanels 17 to 19 use and what is usually \n)allocated to those frequencies for broadcast outside of cable?\n\n17 is air comm.\n18 is amateur\n19 is business and public service\n\n-- \nKen Thompson N0ITL \nNCR Corp. Peripheral Products Division Disk Array Development\n3718 N. Rock Road Wichita KS 67226 (316)636-8783\nKen.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com \n',
"From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)\nSubject: ATTENTION: ALL NEO-GEO OWNERS READ THIS!\nKeywords: neo-geo\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 25\n\nHello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)),\n\nI was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games. I\nmean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive. $184.99 is\na little too much to be spending on each game. But ahh, the quality...\nNow I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot.\n\nRight now, I have:\n\nCrossed Swords\nMagician Lord\nBaseball Stars 2\nFatal Fury\nNam-1975\n\nI am interested in buying more titles. If any of you have any interesting\ntrade ideas, please let me know.\n\n\nThanks\n\nTom\ntomcat@leland.stanford.edu\n\n\n",
"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 22\n\n\nIn article <C5LMtr.Mo7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Za\nuberer) writes:\n>>>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong\nLam) writes:\n>>>|> Hello,\n>>>|> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine\n>>>|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind\n>>>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!\n>>>|> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable\n>>>|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too\n>>>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak?\n>>>|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson\n\nDon't worry about leaks. Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing.\nTake a good claw hammer and pry it straight out. Now, you'll notice, after\nall the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be.\n\nThats why 'heli coils' were invented. Yes, buy a few of these gems, and\nrethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil.\nWhen the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy, its time to trade in\nthe car...\n",
'From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson)\nSubject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV\nOrganization: Color Computer 3: Tandy\'s \'game\' machine\nLines: 13\n\nkennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) says:\n>Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology\n>paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the\n>TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the\n\nTake a look over in alt.folklore.urban. There is a thread about subliminal\nmessages on TV. The fact that subliminal messages don\'t work aside, an image\ncan\'t be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed.\n-- \n Bob Billson, KC2WZ | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org\n $nail: 21 Bates Way, Westfield, NJ 07090 | uucp: ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob\n\n "Friends don\'t let friends run DOS" -- Microware\n',
"From: d12751@tanus.oz.au (Jason Bordujenko)\nSubject: DAC Circuit\nOrganization: Pro-Net Australia\nLines: 54\n\nG'day All,\n\nI was looking to build a Parallel Port Digital to Analogue Converter the other\nday and came across this schematic which I promptly threw together on a piece\nof VeroBoard:\n\n\n P2----22k----+\n P3----48k----|\n P4----100k---|\n P5----200k---|\n P6----400k---|\n P7----800k---| 10uf electrolytic\n P8----1M6----| +\n P9----3M2----+---||--+----------\n | +\n 47nF ceramic - \n -\n | -\n P25------------------+----------\n\n\n(Please excuse the obvious limits of the Lower ASCII char set :=)\n\nI have it all constructed here and sitting inside a nice little grey ABS box.\n\nUnfortunately I can't get it to work... I have a little demo here by the name\nof Cronologia (Which the schematic came from) and all I can get it to pump\nout of the box is data type hash/static with a small amount of music signal\nbehind it - it's even worse than the speaker inside the machine.\n\nDoes anybody out in net.colourful.computer.world have any ideas/suggestions/\nbetter designs/improvements/wastepaper bin... etc?\n\nMany thanks for a reply via this conference or email.\n\n //\n\\X/ Regards, Jason.\n---\n\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Jason Bordujenko Computer Department |\n| InterNet/UseNet: d12751@tanus.oz.au Townsville Grammar School |\n| FidoNet Node : 3:640/702 (Grammar BBS) 45 Paxton Street |\n| Data Phone No. : +61 77 72 6052 (Int.) Townsville Queensland 4810 |\n| : (077) 72 6052 (Aust.) Australia |\n| Facsimilie : +61 77 72 2340 (Int.) |\n| : (077) 72 2340 (Aust.) |\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| God made him simple, |\n| science made him god |\n| |\n| -Stephen King's `The LawnMower Man' |\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
'From: qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff)\nSubject: Tidying up after removing an OLE server\nKeywords: OLE, SPSS\nNntp-Posting-Host: chad3-22.liv.ac.uk\nOrganization: The University of Liverpool\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 16\n\nA while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once\nthe evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC.\n\nUnfortunately there is still a "ghost" of SPSS left: when I run\nsomething like "Write" and go to embed an object then "SPSS Chart"\nappears on the list of objects I\'m offered. I looked around all\nthe obvious "INI" files without success. The next thing I tried\nwas looking for the string "SPSS Chart" in every file in the \nWindows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or\nREG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn\'t feel\ninclined to edit it.\n\nI\'d welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers.\n\nChris Wooff\n(C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk)\n',
'From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: habu\nOrganization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.\nLines: 19\n\nIt might be nice to:\n\n1. cut out the ad hominem attacks on Prof. Denning, Mr. Sternlight,\netc. If you have something objective to say about their views, go\nahead and say it (subject to point 2.). Personal attacks reflect more\non the attacker more than on the attackee. Throw light, not heat!\n\n2. restrict the discussion to appropriate newsgroups. I submit that\ncomp.org.acm and comp.org.ieee are not appropriate for this\ndiscussion. You have now made subscribers to these newsgroups aware of\nthe issue. If they want to know more or participate in the discussion,\nthey can easily join sci.crypt, comp.security.misc, alt.security, or\ncomp.org.eff.talk.\n-- \n\n...Russ Schnapp\nEmail: netcom!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@Metaflow.com or rschnapp@BIX.com\nMetaflow Technologies Voice: 619/452-6608x230; FAX: 619/452-0401\nLa Jolla, California Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself!\n',
"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Dayton Hamfest\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 33\n\nYes,\n\nTake Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit. Go south on 48 about\n2-1/2 miles. Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road. The hamvention is\nat the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north\nside of the Road. Parking at the arena is limited. Lodging is\nprobably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius. Good luck.\n\n | |\n 48 I75\n | |\n----------I70----------....---------\n | |\n | |\n X | |\n(mall) --------| |\n S. Springs |\n\nIt is possible to park at the mall to the west. There are shuttle\nbusses running between the arena and the mall.\n\nIf possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA\noffice. It should be free if you are an AAA member.\n\nIf you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly\ngood time to start to think about going to the hamvention.\n\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED\n",
'From: Amruth Laxman <al26+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Surviving Large Accelerations?\nOrganization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nHi,\n I was reading through "The Spaceflight Handbook" and somewhere in\nthere the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them\nwhen and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to\nthe sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he\nestimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not\nbe a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published\nin 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very\nlong-winded but here\'s my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in\nfact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of\ncourse. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration?\nCan this be extended to larger accelerations?\n\nThanks is advance...\n-Amruth Laxman\n\n',
'From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit)\nSubject: Problems with Open Windows\nOrganization: Dept. of Statistics\nLines: 22\n\n\n\n\n\n After having OpenWindows \n(Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows\nrunning continuously on my machine for 3-4 days,\nthe following message appears when trying to open\na new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows.\n\nXView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server\npackage)\n\nI would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem.\n\nYali Amit\nDepartment of Statistics\nUniversity of Chicago \nChicago IL 60615\n\n\n\n',
'Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analy\nFrom: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Harding University, Searcy, AR\nNntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: sandvik@newton.apple.com\'s message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 00:06:17 GMTLines: 28\nLines: 28\n\nIn <sandvik-170493170457@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com writes:\n\n> In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis\n> Kriz) wrote:\n> > I\'m going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would\n> > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of\n> > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on\n> > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present\n> > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of\n> > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there. \n> \n> Dennis, I\'m astounded. I didn\'t know you were interested to even\n> study such filth as alt.sex.stories provide...\n> \n> Cheers,\n> Kent\n> ---\n> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n\n"Finally, brethern, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is\nright, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute,\nif there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your\nmind dwell on these things." Phil. 4:8.\n\nMore cheers,\nJohn\nNunnally@acs.Harding.edu\n\n',
"From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nNntp-Posting-Host: accord2\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 48\n\n\n>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?\n>>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?\n>>\n \nAs a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are\ntoo, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!!\n\nSomebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY! \n\nIS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF?\n\nIS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE FOOD IS POOR QUALITY?\n\nDO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK?\n\nDO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...)\n THAT MSG CORRECTS?\n\nI REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!\n\nALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp) and sulfites... Why them? There are\n safer ways to preserve food, wines, and beers!\n\nI think \n1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as\nlarge as those on cig. packages.\n2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these\nsubstances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and SULFITES on the package.\n3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5. For that matter why dye food? \n4) Take the dyes and flavorings out of vitamins. (In my OSCO only Stress\nTabs (tm) didn't have yellow dye #5) { My doctor says Yellow Dye #5 is\nresponsible for 1/2 of all nasal polyps !!! }\n\nKEEP FOOD FOOD! QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK!\n\nJUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH.\n\nSig: A person tired of getting sick from this junk!\n\n-- \nWalter Lundby\n\n\n\n-- \nWalter Lundby\n\n",
"From: darndt@nic.gac.edu (David Arndt)\nSubject: Johnny Hart's (B.C. comic strip) mailing address?\nOrganization: Gustavus Adolphus College\nLines: 17\n\nSubject pretty much says it all - I'm looking for Johnny Hart's (creator\nof the B.C. comic stip) mailing address.\n\nFor those of you who haven't seen them, take a look at his strips for Good\nFriday and Easter Sunday. Remarkable witness!\n\nIf anyone can help me get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate it! \nI've contacted the paper that carries his strip and -- they'll get back to\nme with it!\n\nThanks for your help,\n\nDave Arndt\nSt. Peter's Evangelical Lutheran Church\nSt. Peter, MN 56082\n\ndarndt@nic.gac.edu\n",
'From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Shell Oil\nLines: 109\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.35.1993.28412@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:\n>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:\n>>In article <Apr.10.05.32.29.1993.14388@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:\n>> > ...\n>> >\n>> >Are all truths also absolutes?\n>> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?\n>> >\n>> The answer to both questions is yes.\n>\n>Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then. To me,\n>an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture,\n>situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree\n>with this definition? I think you do:\n>\n>> Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a \n>> contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always\n>> true. Obviously, if a "truth" is not always "true" then we have a\n>> contradiction in terms. \n\nI agree with Carol here. Determining absolutes is, practically speaking, a\nwaste of time. And we easily forget that relative truth is, in fact relative.\n\nFor example, I recently was asking some children the question "What temperature\ndoes water boil at?" I got the answer 212 degrees consistently. I asked\nif they knew what scale, and was told "It\'s just 212 degrees. Any scale.\nThat\'s what all thermometers say." Well, that\'s sincere, and may be\ntrue in the experience of the speaker, but it is simply wrong. IT is NOT\nan absolute truth. Similarly, Scripture is full of Truth, which we should\nnurture and cherish, but trying to determine which parts are Absolute Truth\nand which parts are the manifestations of that in the context of the time\nand culture in which the text was penned is missing the point. Then religion\neasily becomes an intellectual head-trip, devoid of the living experience of \nthe indwelling Trinity and becomes dead scholasticism, IMO.\n \n[example of head-covering in Church deleted]\n\nThis was a good example. There may be an Absolute Truth behind the\nwriting, but the simplest understanding of the passage is that the\ninstructions apply to the Corinthians, and not necessarily elsewhere.\nThe instructions may reflect Absolute Truth in the context of first\ncentury culture and the particular climate at Corinth, which was having\na LOT of trouble with order. Is it Absolute Truth to me? No. And I \nsee no compelling, or even reasonable, reason that it should be.\n \n>Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture \n>to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.)\n>Can you reconcile this?\n\nEven the most die-hard literalists do not take all of the Bible literally.\nI\'ve yet to meet anyone who takes the verse "blessed is he who takes your\nbabies and smashes their heads against the rocks" literally. The Bible\nwas not printed or handed to us by God with color codings to tell us\nwhat parts should be interpreted which way. \n \n>> Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a\n>> statement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this\n>> way. If there are no absolutes, shouldn\'t we conclude that the statement,\n>> "There are no absolutes" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a\n>> contradiction here.\n>\n>I don\'t claim that there are *no* absolutes. I think there are very\n>few, though, and determining absolutes is difficult.\n\nI agree. Very few. And even if we knew them, personally, we may not be \nable to express that in a way that still conveys Absolute Truth to another.\nThe presence of absence of Absolutes may not make any difference, since I\nknow I can never fully apprehend an Absolute if it walks up and greets me.\n>\n>> >There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical \n>> >Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding \n>> >Biblical interpretation.\n>> \n>> So? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate \n>> the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe. \n\nI can\'t prove the existence of absolutes. I can only rely upon MY experience.\nI also trust God\'s revelation that WE cannot fully comprehend the infinite.\nTherefore we can\'t comprehend the Absolutes. So I don\'t need them. \nI can never know the essence of God, only the energies by and through which\nGod is manifested to God\'s creation. So the reality can be that there ARE\nabsolutes, but it is of no practical importance. It\'s like claiming that the\noriginal scriptural autographs were perfect, but copies may not be. Swell.\nWho cares? It doesn\'t affect me in any practical useful way. I might as \nwell believe that God has made a lot of electric blue chickens, and that they\nlive on Mars. Maybe God did. So what? Is that going to have ANY effect on \nhow I deal with my neighbor, or God? Whether or not I go to this or that\ncafeteria for lunch? No. \n\nThis attitude leads many non-Christians to believe that ALL Christians\nare arrogant idiots incapable of critical reasoning. Christianity is true,\nwonderful and sensible. It appeals to Reason, since Reason is an inner\nreflection of the Logos of God. Explanations that violate that simply\nappear to be insecure authoritarian responses to a complex world.\n\nNOTE: I\'m NOT claiming there is no place for authority. That\'d be silly.\n There IS a world of difference between authoritative and authoritarian.\n Authoritative is en expression of authority that respects others.\n Authoritarian is en expression of authority that fails to do that,\n and is generally agressive. Good parents (like God) are authoritative.\n Many Christians are simply authoritarian, and, not surprisingly, few \n adults respond to this treatment.\n\nLarry Overacker (llo@shell.com)\n-- \n-------\nLawrence Overacker\nShell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965\nllo@shell.com\n',
"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <1r3qab$o1v@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n>In article <930421.102525.9Y9.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n>#> In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew\n>#> <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>#> #This is complete nonsense. Relativism means saying that there is no absolut\n>#> #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality\n>#> #are equally good.\n>#> \n>#> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others?\n>#> How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference?\n>#\n\nEither Frank O'Dwyer or mathew said:\n\n[...stiff deleted...]\n\n>#Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail? How come you can answer that when\n>#Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference?\n\n[...stiff deleted...]\n\nSpeed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that\nwill result in the same value measured no matter the reference. A \nbullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph\nwill be moving at a speed of\n\n (a) 0mph to someone on the train.\n (b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train.\n\nThe reference frame makes the speed relative. But what's interesting\nhere is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet.\nEvery person off, a bullet moving 60mph. \n\nI know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is\nfilled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way.\n\n-- \n jim halat halat@bear.com \nbear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--\n nyc i speak only for myself\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: ctd2t@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Dong")\nSubject: WANTED:MEMPHIS SUBLET\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 6\n\n\nNon-smoking, normal law student needs furnished place to live in Memphis\nthis summer. I\'ll be working at a firm downtown and will have\nto pass the bar character examination, so you don\'t have to worry about \nyour stuff being broken or stolen. Call Chris at (804)979-2519\nor leave e-mail.\n',
"From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler)\nSubject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)\nKeywords: Zephyr stock forks BAD. Mushy. Dive.\nArticle-I.D.: jethro.1psrdn$g3r\nReply-To: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: SunConnect\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.eng.sun.com\n\nIn article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:\n>By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550\n>engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension\n>and frame is more modern. \n\nthe fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think. i don't\nknow about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability. the forks\nare crappy, they dive like MAD. i had progressive springs installed\nand it made a huge difference. cheap fix, MUCH improvement.\n\nelef\n",
'From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 \nNntp-Posting-Host: venus.iucf.indiana.edu\nReply-To: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu\nOrganization: IUCF\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes...\n>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:\n>> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n> \n>\tYes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.\n> See, it just HOPS into the air! Figure.\n>John Stafford \n\n Sure you can do wheelies with a shaft drive bike. I had a BMW R100RS\nthat was a wheelie monster! Of course it didn\'t have the initial power\nburst to just twist it into the air - I had to pop the clutch. I also\nhad to replace front fork seals a few times as well. The fairing is a \nbit heavy to be slamming down onto those little stantion tubes all the\ntime. But let me give you fair warning: I trashed the ring/pinion gear\nin the final drive of my K75 (I assume) doing wheelies. And this was \nNO cheap fix either!! There is some kind of "slip" device in the shaft\nto prevent IT from breaking. Unfortunately, it didn\'t save the gears!\n\n On the topic of wheelies, the other day I saw a kid on a big Hurricane\ndo a "stoppy"(?), or rear wheelie. Man, he had the rear end on this bike \nup about 2 feet off the ground at a traffic light. I don\'t recommend these\nactivities anymore (now that I\'m an "old guy" with kids of my own) but\nit looked damn impressive!!\n\n If you can\'t keep both tires on the ground, at least have \'em pointed\nin that direction! :-)\n\nCheers, \nB**2\n',
'From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch)\nSubject: Re: X11R5 and Open Look\nOrganization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.155820.82@aedc-vax.af.mil>, bonds@aedc-vax.af.mil writes:\n> I am reposting this because I am not sure my first post ever made it out.\n> I have built and installed X11R5 on my SPARCstation 2. My aim is to run\n> the MIT X server but retain the OpenLook Window Manager. I am sure this\n> is not uncommon, but I just want to make sure that I change and/or delete\n> everything that I need to. For instance, I can start xdm in rc.local, but\n> how do I get rid of Xnews?\n> \n\n The OpenLook window manager source is available on the MIT contrib tapes\n or from export.lcs.mit.edu .I would suggest building this too, rather than\n using the version from OpenWindows. It is olwm v3.\n\n\t\t\t\tRegards,\n\n\t\t\t\t\tRichard Gooch....\n',
'From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy)\nSubject: Madison WI summer sublet\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nDistribution: uwix\nLines: 35\n\n\n\n\nDowntown FURNISHED Summer Sublet\n\n May 15 thru Aug 15\n Great location at:\n 215 N. Frances St.\n & Johnson St. (Across Witte)\n Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson\n Near State Street & Near South East Dorms\n Near University Square & Near SERF\n Two bedroom\n Your own spacious room\n (the larger!)\n Laundry available\n Parking available\n Bathroom\n Kitchen\n Large Closet\n Dual Desks\n Just pay for electricity (~$7/month)\n\n Asking $500 for whole summer!\n\n Send inquiries to:\n Howard\n 608-255-6379\n moy@cae.wisc.edu\n\n-- \n-Howard\n_________________________________________________________\n! Howard Moy\t\t\t\t!\n! (608) 255-6379\t\t\t!\n',
'From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida\nLines: 61\n\ntobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:\n\n> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Vel\n> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five\n> >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck \n> >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don\'t recall if she \n> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and \n> >doctors weren\'t holding out hope that she\'d live.\n> >\n> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I\n> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n> >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??\n> >\n> >Erik velapold\n> \n> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason\n> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is\n> "No Big Deal". Kid\'s see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort \n> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised\n> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don\'t care because the\n> message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!\n> \n> AT\n\nWell people fortunatly or unfortunatly ,\nonly the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among \ndeveloped nations).\n\nI am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that \ncan happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket\npicked by Slaves or Russian refugees.\n\nOf cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare.\n\nI.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during\nthe night without even worrying.\n\nIn Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look \nbehind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a \nsparkling cleen.\n\nWhoever of you have been there you know what I am saying.\n\nI dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism\nwe might get somewhere.\n\nOf course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce\ncrime here it \'ll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend\nmore money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech \nrevelant).\n\nVlasis Theodore\n\n___________________\nSoftware Engineer\nIDB Mobile Communications.\n\nSig under development ...\n',
'From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)\nSubject: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 6\n\n;^)\n\nKevin L. Stamber\nPurdue University\n...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews.\n\n',
"From: hildjj@jupiter.fuentez.COM (Joe Hildebrand)\nSubject: Re: question regarding overlaying of graphics\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 30\nTo: venkatg@grace.cs.orst.edu (Gopal Venkatraman)\nCc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\n> Let's say I have two rectangles on the canvas(see above) \n> one intersecting the other...\n> Now, I would like to delete one of the rectangles.\n> The way I do it is to create another GC wherein I use the\n> GXxor logical function and simply redraw the rectangle using the\nnewly\n> created graphics context thus deleting it for all apparent purposes.\n> A problem with this approach is that at the points of intersection\nthe pixel \n> locations belonging to the other rectangle also become white, which\nis \n> something that should be avoided.\n\nYou could set up a bitmap with a mask in it. Clear the\nbitmap, draw the rectangle to be deleted with GXor. Draw the one\nthat is to stay with GXclear. Then GXxor the entire pixmap with\nthe screen. \n\nNote that this is a pretty effective way of animation, if you ever\nneed to do that (replace the GXclear with a GXxor).\n\n----------\nJoe Hildebrand\nhildjj@fuentez.com\nSoftware Engineer\nFuentez Systems Concepts\n(703)273-1447\n\nStandard disclaimers apply\n",
'From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds)\nSubject: CGA card/monitor wanted\nOrganization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated.\nLines: 4\n\nAnd again......\n title says it all. WHY?\n\n Lee (lee@tosspot.sv.com)\n',
'From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE\nNntp-Posting-Host: mushroom.psych.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Psych Department, Indiana University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 28\n\n<34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:\n>Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork\n>to defend the burning of the children.\n\n Actually all the liberals I\'ve seen have deplored the burning of \nchildren. I would far preferred that the Davidians had not set the \nfire that burned themselves and their children to death, but I don\'t \nbelieve that the responsibility for the fire (or the almost complete \nabsense of attempts to escape the blaze) can be placed at the door of \nthe Federal authorities.\n\n>Probably drooled all over themselves while watching the TV coverage.\n\n Not so. My wife got me a convenient plastic "drip pan" for Christmas...\n\n>Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.\n\n Yeah, those Nazis. You know how we liberals just love those Nazis.\n\n>Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are\n>a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.\n\n Yeah, as information trickles in... funny how that works...\n\n--\nNathan Engle Software Juggler\nPsychology Department Indiana University\nnate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu nengle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu\n',
"From: rjf@lzsc.lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343)\nSubject: Re: centrifuge\nOrganization: AT&T Middletown N.J. U.S.A.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\nMr. Blue (car@access.digex.com) wrote:\n: Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is\n: used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes\n: around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that?\n\n\nPurely recreational. They get bored sitting in that\nrack all the time.\n\n\n\n--\nbob.\t\t\t\t\t | I only smile when I lie,\nYou can learn more in a bar\t\t | And I'll tell you why...\n\tthan you can in a lawyer's office. |\nWere these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.\n",
"From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)\nSubject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nNntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.197\nOrganization: Texaco\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com>, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) writes:\n|> \n|> I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window\n|> of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application\n|> could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an \n|> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of\n|> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).\n|> \n|> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?\n|> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me\n|> with XOpenWindow?\n\nThere is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or\nGlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it\nallows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink,\nglxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages.\n\n|> I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first\n|> time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of\n|> the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this\n|> initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this\n|> true?\n\nThe GlxMDraw widget works pretty well. OpenGL will be an improvement.\n\n|> Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?\n\nI think GL is a little easier to use and a little more powerful, but\nthat's just an opinion. Mileage may vary.\n\n\n-- \nLarry D. Pyeatt The views expressed here are not\nInternet : pyeatt@texaco.com those of my employer or of anyone\nVoice : (713) 975-4056 that I know of with the possible\n exception of myself.\n",
'From: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)\nSubject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.\nReply-To: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corp.\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <79557@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n|>Xref: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com misc.invest:40997 misc.forsale:88577\n|>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!uvo.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm\n|>From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)\n|>Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.forsale\n|>Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.\n|>Message-ID: <79557@cup.portal.com>\n|>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 08:53:51 PDT\n|>Organization: The Portal System (TM)\n|>References: <ACpDgohaWA@commed.msk.su>\n|>Lines: 4\n|>\n|>I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union. Among the cars, dinette\n|>sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,\n|>RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc. Don\'t they\n|>have garage sales in Russia? :-)\n|>\n\nIt really doesn\'t strike me as very funny. It is rather indicative of what\na crisis their economy is in. I imagine they are in desparate need of\nmarkets to sustain industries and people which are nolonger under central\ncontrol of the government.\n--\nJim Rosenkranz\trosen@kranz.enet.dec.com\n\n"Never try to teach a pig to sing: it can\'t be done, and it annoys the pig."\n',
'From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God\'s Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <bskendigC5I9yH.ICp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n\n>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,\n>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.\n>Be warned, however, that I\'ve heard all the most common arguments\n>before, and they just don\'t convince me.\n\nBe warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of\nthe Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only\nhere to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am\n"out of the loop". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I\nindeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God.\n\n-------------\nBrian Ceccarelli\nbrian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu\n',
"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)\nSubject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\nOrganization: Apple Computer Inc.\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5115s.5Fy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> \njht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) writes:\n> I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg\n> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the\n> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that\n> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even\n> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4\n> meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might\n> want to know.....\n\nThere's absolutely no reason why differences in the DRAM access time \n_alone_ would cause an incompatibility. There would have to be another \ndifference between the SIMMs for there to be a problem. I've often used \nmemory of different speeds with no problems whatsoever. As long as it's\nas fast (or faster) than the minimum requirement you should be fine.\n\nJust out of curiosity, did you actually try this and see a problem, or \nwere you told it wouldn't work and so never tried it? Also out of \ncuriosity, do you know exactly who in Cupertino you dealer talked to (as \nI'd like to find out what they're basing this recommendation on).\n\n- Dale Adams\n Apple Computer, Inc.\n",
"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 34\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says:\n\n>>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear\n>>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using\n>>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush\n>>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.\n>\n>In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential. \n>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake\n>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. \n\njust to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems\nto me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need\nto calculate the future position. You need to look at your mirrors a little\nmore. If you glance around, you will be able to tell how much faster than you\nthe car is going. Maybe not precisely, but well enough to know if you should\nlet him around before you try to pass. I know what you are talking about,\nabout the other driver being startled, because i myself have been startled\nby drivers cruising by at around 90-100mph when i'm doin 55-65. The problem,\nthough, as i saw it, was not their fault for barreling around me, but my fault\nfor not paying the attention to my task-at-hand that i should have been.\nOddly enough, since the 2nd time(happened 2x in around 4 mo. when i'd had my\nliscence for around 6 mo), i haven't been startled..and i've been passed by\ncars doing roughly twice the speed of my car. Another odd occurance is the\nfact that this only seems to happen on LONG trips...and if i drive along with\nthem, it doesn't happen at all :-) even on the long trips! :-) (adrenaline\nwill do that to you...i've had bad cop experiences with speeding, so anything\nover the limit is adrenalizing for me...scared i'll get caught :-) Maybe\nthey should raise the limit, so we can pay better attention.....\n\njust curious, and my .otwo\n\nDREW\n",
"From: tapscott@adoc.xerox.com (Peter Tapscott)\nSubject: For Sale: Harvard Graphics for Windows\nKeywords: Harvard Graphics, sale\nOrganization: Xerox PARC\nDistribution: us\nLines: 17\n\n\nFor Sale:\n\tBrand new, shrinkwrapped\n\n\tHARVARD GRAPHICS FOR WINDOWS\n\n\tList Price: $500\n\tCheapest pince in Computer Shopper (mail order): $315\n\tMy Price: $250\n\nThis is really a slick package, but I won it in a bike race so I\ncan't return it for credit. My dilemma is your fire sale.\n\n-- \n** Peter Tapscott, Xerox - Palo Alto Research Center\n** Internet: tapscott.adoc@xerox.com XNS Net: Tapscott:PARC:Xerox\n** 415 813-6885\n",
'From: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger)\nSubject: Re: TIGER STADIUM GIF?\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu\nOriginator: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU\n\n\n\nI hate to be rude, but screw the seating chart, post the stadium instead.\n\n-- \n------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!----------------------\n|\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t |\n| GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! |\n-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------\n',
'From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo)\nSubject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives\nLines: 84\n\nIn article <May.5.02.52.15.1993.28800@athos.rutgers.edu> JEK@cu.nih.gov writes:\n>Gerry Palo writes:\n>\n> > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of\n> > repeated lives on earth.\n>\n>The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob\n>rather than Esau to be the ancestor of the Covenant People and\n>ultimately of the Messiah, and that He made this choice while the\n>two boys were still in their mother\'s womb, and therefore could not\n>possibly have done anything good or evil to deserve their appointed\n>destinies. If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous\n>lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of "karma")\n>their present lives are a reward or punishment for past behaviour,\n>this makes nonsense of Paul\'s whole point.\n>\n\nThe existence of repeated earth lives and destiny (karma) does not\nmean that everything that happens is predetermined by past deeds.\nThere is an oriental view of it that tends in that direction, but I\ndid not subscribe to that view. God may choose one individual over\nanother as the fit instrument for his plans, but that does not\npreclude that the development of that individual into what he is in\nthis earthly life is not the result of a longer course of development.\n\nI do not, and Rudolf Steiner did not, subscribe to the oriental view\nof an inexorable, mechanistic karma determining everything that\nbefalls one. This is a kind of shriveled caricature of a much greater\nlaw in the context of which the deed of Christ on Golgotha and the\nultimate salvation and freedom of the human being as a working of\nChrist can be seen as the master theme and, indeed, a new impulse that\nwas completely free of karma. Christ incarnated only once in the\nflesh, and in that he had no debt of karma or sin. The oriental\nconcepts of reincarnation and karma, which are even more trivialized\nand mechanized in some new age teachings, incorrectly assume Jesus\nChrist to have been the reincarnation of a master. avatar, etc.\nTheir teaching of reincarnation and karma also has no concept the\ncontinuing individuality from one life to the next (e.g. Buddhism).\nMore important, they have no concept of the resurrection of the body,\nthe ultimate continuity of the whole human being -- to ultimate\nresurrection and judgement on the Last Day.\n\nThere is another biblical passage that also has a bearing. It is the\ntenth chapter of John, devoted almost entirely to the man born blind.\nClearly here, Jesus tells the disciples that it was not his past karma\nor that of his parents that led to his blindness, but rather that a\nnew impulse is to be revealed through him. But note that he does not\nrefute the disciples\' question. In fact, they ask it as a matter of\ncourse, the question being stated as if it were self evident that only\none of two possibilities existed - it was either the sins of the man\nhimself, obviously not in this incarnation, or the sins of his\nparents. The fact that they even asked about the first possibility at\nall indicates an awareness of the idea on their part and the form of\nChrist\'s answer indicates that he did not disagree with it.\n\nThere is also Matthew 11:14, where Jesus says straight out about John\nthe Baptist,\n\n "If you care to accept it, he himself is Elias, who was to come."\n\nThis also emphasizes that the Gospels do not have a positive teaching\neither way about reincarnation -- or, in fact, about what happens to\nthe human being at all between death and the Last Day. Even Jesus did\nnot push this teaching on people who were not ready to embrace it ("If\nyou care to accept it"). So I took care to point out, not that the\nBible teaches reincarnation but that it does not deny it either, and\nthat much in both scripture and fundamental Christian doctrine becomes\nunderstandable if reincarnation is understood in the right way. I\npointedly used "repeated earth lives" to distinguish a little from the\noriental doctrines usually associated with the word "reincarnation".\nThe phrase is Rudolf Steiner\'s (wiederholte Erdenleben). He noted too\nthat the idea needed to arise as a new insight in the west, completely\nfree from eastern tradition. It did in the eighteenth and nineteenth\ncenturies, the most important expression of it being Lessing\'s "The\nEducation of the Human Race".\n\nTo return to your original point, Paul\'s statement about Jacob and\nEsau does not contradict the idea of repeated earth lives and karma.\nAnd both of these principles receive their fulfillment in the\nincarnation, death, and resurrection, ascension and return of Jesus\nChrist, in my view.\n\nRegards, \nGerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)\n',
"From: npm@netcom.com (Nancy P. Milligan)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 15\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nI'd dump him. Rude is rude and it seems he enjoys belittling and\nhumiliating you. But don't just dump him, write to him and tell\nhim why you are firing him. If you can, think about sending a copy\nof your letter to whoever is in charge of the clinic where he works, \nif applicable, or maybe even to the AMA. Don't be vindictive in\nyour letter, be truthful but VERY firm.\n\nBut don't be a victim and just put up with it. Take control! It'll\nmake you feel great!\n\nNancy M.\n-- \nNancy P. Milligan\t\t\t\t\tnpm@netcom.com\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t or\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tnpm@dale.cts.com\n",
"From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta)\nSubject: Master Cylinder\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu\n\n\nThanks to everyone who responded to my Honda Accord break question.\nIt does seem that the master cylinder is bad. I will have my\nmechanic double check and be sure it isn't something simpler\nand cheaper first, but from your responses it sounds like it\nis very likely to be the master cylinder.\n\nThanks everyone!!\n\nJoni\n",
'From: ka2czu@cbnewsh.att.com\nSubject: Christians in the Martial Arts\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 39\n\nGreetings and Salutations!\n\nI would like to get in touch with people who\n(a) consider themselves Christians (you define it), and\n(b) are in the Martial Arts\n\nSome topics for discussion:\n\t- your particular martial art\n\t- your view of the relationship between\n\t\tChristianity and your art\n\t- your view of the relationship between\n\t\t*your* Christianity and your art\n\t- why should a Christian participate in MA\n\t- why shouldn\'t a Christian participate in MA\n\t- Biblical views of MA; pro or con.\n\nFor example, I heard from one fellow:\n\t"...I tried the Karate for Christ thing and it wasn\'t for me..."\n\t- why or why not?\n\nAs an aside, I am involved (in *NO* official way) with an\norganization called the Christian Black Belt Association and\nI would also like to distribute info regarding upcoming events\nto *those who are interested*. No, you won\'t be put on any\n"mailing list" nor will your name be "sold".\n\nHowever, if you ARE intested in an email list, let me know.\n\nI am interested in email replies ONLY as this is cross-posted \nto groups I don\'t normally read. If anyone wants a summary\nor, of course, on-going discussion, then let me know.\n\n\nShalom,\nRobert Switzer\nka2czu@cbnewsh.att.com\n-- \nBell Labs, 200 Laurel Ave., 2b-334, Middletown, NJ 07748-4801 USA (908)957-2923\n...-.- Amateur Radio Operator KA2CZU Robert Switzer\n',
'From: dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Doug S. Caprette)\nSubject: CS chemical agent\nOrganization: CDP VLBI\nLines: 10\n\n\n\nCan anyone provide information on CS chemical agent--the tear gas used recently\nin WACO. Just what is it chemically, and what are its effects on the body?\n\ndsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov \n | Regards, | Hughes STX | Code 926.9 GSFC |\n | Doug Caprette | Lanham, Maryland | Greenbelt, MD 20771 |\n -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"A path is laid one stone at a time" -- The Giant\n',
"From: pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen)\nSubject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves\nNntp-Posting-Host: hutcs.cs.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.234409.18303@kpc.com> jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) writes:\n>In article <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl>, ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes:\n>|> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double\n>|> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n>|> \n>|> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated,\n>\n>There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of\n>Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of\n>the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the\n>reference here with me.\n\n\nStone, DeRose: Geometric characterization of parametric cubic curves.\nACM Trans. Graphics 8 (3) (1989) 147 - 163.\n\n\nManocha, Canny: Detecting cusps and inflection points in curves.\nComputer aided geometric design 9 (1992) 1-24.\n\nPekka Siltanen\n\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner)\nSubject: need a viewer for gl files\nOrganization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nHi, \n\nthe subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)?\n\nThanks\n\n\nDominik\n\n\n',
'From: DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: SouthWest Mo State Univ\nLines: 32\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu\nX-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2\n\n>>In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:\n>>>In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:\n>>>> Think about it -- shouldn\'t all drugs then be legalized, it would lower\n>>>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use.\n>>>\n>>> Yes.\n>>>\n>>>> I don\'t think we want to start using these criterion to determine\n>>>> legality.\n>>>\n>>> Why not?\n>>\n>>Where do they get these people?! I really don\'t want to waste time in\n>>here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we\n>>can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!\n \nYou think that you all have it bad....here at good ol\' Southwest Missouri\nState U., we have 2 parties running for student body president. There\'s the\ntoken sorority/fraternity faces, and then there\'s the president and vice\npresident of NORML. They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing\ntheir qualifications as,"I listen really well." It makes me sick to have\na party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like\nthey are. I think I\'ll run next year.:(\n \n Darin J Keener, dak988s@vma.smsu.edu\n PC-the idea that catering to splinter groups is the way to go.\n \n \n \n \n \n \n',
'From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 75\n\nIn article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La\nwrence C. Foard) writes:\n>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n>>\n>>\n>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:\n>>\n>> Male sex survey: Gay activity low\n>>\n>> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough\n>> examination of American men\'s sexual practices published since\n>> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2\n>> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and\n>> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.\n>>\n>> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday\n>> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than\n>> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional\n>> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.\n>\n>1) So what?\n\nSo there are less gays, then the gays claim.\n>\n>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers\n> gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of\n> us then this is an event unprecidented in history...\n>\n\nDream on. Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don\'t even bring\nin half of that.\n\n>>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.\n>>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.\n>\n>Don\'t forget that 25% had 20 or more partners....\n>\n\nI was wondering why I wasn\'t getting laid.\n\n>>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,\n>>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that\n>>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general\n>>male population.\n>\n>And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those\n>who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for\n>you....\n>\n\nIf it\'s more, then who cares?\n\n>>It\'s a shame that we don\'t have a breakdown for\n>>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically\n>>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.\n>\n>Fuck off\n>\n\nActually, I bet you more gay/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, \nbecause more of them could have the "option" of living a straight life, and \nwith social pressures, probably would at least try.\n\n>--\n>------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! .\n>\\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . .\n> \\ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .\n> \\/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .\n>\n\nDid you know that is is a fact that homosexuality was comparatively high in \nHitler\'s storm troopers (SA) before he came to power. I wonder if they got to \nput the triangles on themselves......\n\nRyan\n',
'From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God\'s Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 66\n\nBrian Kendig writes:\n\n> Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given\n> it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is\n> the blood that makes atonement for the soul.\n>\n>The Old Testament was very big on the "eye for an eye" business. It\n>makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to "repay"\n>moral wrongdoing.\n\nBrian K., guess what? You missed the point. On a scale from cold to\nhot, you are at 0 degrees Kelvin.\n\n>I know about sanctification. I\'ve been taught all about it in Sunday\n>school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all\n>that, I still can\'t accept it. Maybe I\'m still not understanding it,\n>or maybe I\'m just understanding it all too well.\n\nThen as you understand it, what is it?\n\n>From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent\n>man is wrong.\n\nYes. I agree with that. But what does that have to do with Jesus?\nPunishment you say? Jesus did not regard his death as punishment. \n\n>I\'ve tried repeatedly over the course of several years\n>to accept it, but I just can\'t. \n\nGood. I wouldn\'t either--not the way you understand it. \n\n>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,\n>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.\n>Be warned, however, that I\'ve heard all the most common arguments\n>before, and they just don\'t convince me.\n\nAsk Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It\nisn\'t a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for\na persuasive argument. Read Jesus\'s own reply to your\nquestion.\n\nJesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason\nwhy Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with\nhis punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that\nwe would "stop doubting and believe" (John 21:27). The fact\nthat Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise\nfrom the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it.\nWithout this obvious point, I would have no hope\nand my faith would be vanity.\n\nWhy did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus\nsays why in John 15:18-25. That\'s no mystery either. "The\nworld hates him without reason." It is a direct proclamation\nof how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we\nneed a Saviour.\n\nAnd why can\'t you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? "The\nworld cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows\nhim." (John 14:17). The animosity and the lack of knowledge\nthat comes out in your twistings of Robert\'s daily verses is\nvery convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25.\nI pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of\nknowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank\nGod that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I\'d also be\nbumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very\nPerson who created me and who loves me.\n',
'From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 159\n\n>In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu \n (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n>|> \n>|> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu \n (Tim Clock) writes:\n>|> \n>|> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, \n>|> Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with \n>|> attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the \n>|> other respects innocent lives?\n\n> Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are \n> using civilians for cover, \n\n"Assuming"? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in \nthis (or any) discussion, it doesn\'t help to bring up elements I never \naddressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is \n"right" or who is "wrong", only that civilians ARE being used as cover \nand that, having been placed "in between" the Israelis and the guerillas,\nthey *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight.\n \n\t[The *purpose* of an army\'s use of military uniforms \n\tis *to set its members apart* from the civilians so that \n\tcivilians will not be thought of by the other side as\n\t"combatants". So, what do you think is the "meaning behind", \n\tthe intention and the effect when an "army" purposely \n\t*does not were uniforms but goes out of its way to *look \n\tlike civilians\'? *They are judging that the benefit they will \n\treceive from this "cover" is more important that the harm\n\tthat will come to civilians.*\n\nThis is a comment on the Israeli experience and is saying\nthat the guerillas *do* have some responsibility in putting civilians\nin "the middle" of this fight. By putting on uniforms and living apart\nfrom civilians (barracks, etc.), the guerillas would significantly lower\nthe risk to civilians.\n\n\tBut if the guerillas do this aren\'t *they* putting themselves\n\tat greater risk? Absolutely, they ask themselves "why set \n\tourselves apart (by wearing uniforms) when there is a ready-made \n\tcover for us (civilians)? That makes sense from their point of \n\tview, BUT when this cover is used, the guerillas should accept \n\tsome of the responsibility for subsequent harm to civilians.\n\n> If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why\n> is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why \n> not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there \n> is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... \n> "GETTING BACK"..."GETTING EVEN". It doesn\'t make sense to shell the \n> villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli \n> government for the lives of civilians.\n\nI agree with you here. I have always thought that Israel\'s bombing\nsortees and bombing policy is stupid, thoughtless, inhumane AND\nineffective. BUT, there is no reason that Israel should passive wait \nuntil attackers chose to act; there is every reason to believe that\n"taking the fight *to* the enemy" will do more to stop attacks. \n\nAs I said previously, Israel spent several decades "sitting passively"\non its side of a border and only acting to stop these attacks *after*\nthe attackers had entered Israeli territory. It didn\'t work very well.\nThe "host" Arab state did little/nothing to try and stop these attacks \nfrom its side of the border with Israel so the number of attacks\nwere considerably higher, as was their physical and psychological impact \non the civilians caught in their path. \n>\n>|> What?So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states \n>|> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will\n>|> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the \n>|> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their \n>|> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some "guaratees"), there is no way\n>|> Israel is going to accept their "word"- not with their past attitude of \n>|> tolerance towards "anti-Israel guerillas in-residence".\n>|> \n> If Israel is not willing to accept the "word" of others then, IMHO, it has\n> no business wasting others\' time coming to the peace talks. \n\nThis is just another "selectively applied" statement.\n \nThe reason for this drawn-out impasse between Ababs/Palestinians and Israelis\nis that NEITHER side is willing to accept the Word of the other. By your\ncriteria *everyone* should stay away from the negotiations.\n\nThat is precisely why the Palestinians (in their recent PISGA proposal for \nthe "interim" period after negotiations and leading up to full autonomy) are\ndemanding conditions that essentially define "autonomy" already. They DO\nNOT trust that Israel will "follow through" the entire process and allow\nPalestinians to reach full autonomy. \n\nDo you understand and accept this viewpoint by the Palestinians? \nIf you do, then why should Israel\'s view of Arabs/Palestinians \nbe any different? Why should they trust the Arab/Palestinians\' words?\nSince they don\'t, they are VERY reluctant to give up "tangible assets \n(land, control of areas) in exchange for "words". For this reason,\nthey are also concerned about the sorts of "guarantees" they will have \nthat the Arabs WILL follow through on their part of any agreement reached.\n>\n>But don\'t you see that the same statement can be made both ways?\n>If Lebanon was interested in peace then it should accept the word\n>of Israel that the attacks were the cause for war and disarming the\n>Hizbollah will remove the cause for its continued occupancy. \n\nAbsolutely, so are the Arabs/Palestinians asking FIRST for the\nIsraelis "word" in relation to any agreement? NO, what is being\ndemanded FIRST is LAND. When the issue is LAND, and one party\nfinally gets HOLD of this "land", what the "other party" does\nis totally irrelevent. If I NOW have possession of this land,\nyour words have absolutely no power; whether Israel chooses to\nkeeps its word does NOT get the land back.\n\n>Afterall, Israel has already staged two parts of the withdrawal from \n>areas it occupied in Lebanon during SLG.\n>\n> Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been\n> disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does\n> not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up\n> Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. \n\nWhile the "major armaments" (those allowing people to wage "civil wars")\nhave been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still\nremain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and "commando"\nraids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard\nfor human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue.\n\n> Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon\n> and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn\'t\n> make the Lebanese so mad as to do that.\n\nBat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks\nwere commonplace.\n\n>Furthermore, with Hezbollah subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible.\n\nThere is NO WAY these groups can be effectively "disarmed" UNLESS the state\nis as authoritarian is Syria\'s. The only other way is for Lebanon to take\nit upon itself to constantly patrol the entire border with Israel, essentially\nmirroring Israel\'s border secirity on its side. It HAS TO PROVE TO ISREAL that\nit is this committed to protecting Israel from attack from Lebanese territory.\n>\n>|> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain \n>|> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel.\n>|> \n> Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border?\n> Not lately, eh?\n\nThat\'s what I said, ok? But, doesn\'t that mean that Syria has to "take over"\nLebanon? I don\'t think Israel or Lebanon would like that.\n> \nWhat both "sides" need is to receive something "tangible". The Arabs/\nPalestinians are looking for "land" and demanding that they receive it\nprior to giving anything to Israel. Israel has two problems: 1) if it\ngives up real *land* it IS exposing itself to a changed geostrategic\nsituation (and that change doesn\'t help Israel\'s position), and 2) WHEN\nit gives up this land IT NEEDS to receive something in return to\ncompensate for the increased risks\n\nTim\n\n\n',
"From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)\nSubject: 68040 Specs.\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nI'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following:\n(if you only know one, that's fine)\n1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium)\n2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc...\n\nI'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever),\ncosts, bus info, register info. All the technical info.\n\nI am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people.\n \n:) Thanks for any info you can give.\n\nThanks.\n-- \n-Lazer (Patrick Delahanty) |WARNING!: MST3K & Star Trek fan, Macintosh user,\nInterNet: patrickd@wpi.wpi.edu| and Co-sysop of L/A Blues BBS!\n lazer@lablues.UUCP | Call L/A Blues BBS (207-777-3465 or 777-7782)\n * MACINTOSH USER * | for Macintosh & MS-DOS files & *FREE USENET*!\n",
"From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)\nSubject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds\nReply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)\nOrganization: chevron\nLines: 24\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca>, \nab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes:\n\n> \n> \n> I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic \n> predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). \n> Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. \n> \n> Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger \n> brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their \n> nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin \n> that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, \n> or other techniques. \n> -- \n\n\nMy 6 year son is so plagued. Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems \nto keep it under control. But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for \ndays! Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute. But again, the \nvaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring.\n\n\nBev Zalan\n",
'From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 117\n\nIn article <16BB112949.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:\n>In article <115287@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n\n \n>>>>>A brutal system filtered through "leniency" is not lenient.\n\n\n>>>>Huh?\n\n\n>>>How do you rate public floggings or floggings at all? Chopping off the\n>>>hands, heads, or other body parts? What about stoning?\n\n\n>>I don\'t have a problem with floggings, particularly, when the offenders\n>>have been given a chance to change their behavior before floggings are\n>>given. I do have a problem with maiming in general, by whatever means.\n>>In my opinion no-one who has not maimed another should be maimed. In\n>>the case of rape the victim _is_ maimed, physically and emotionally,\n>>so I wouldn\'t have a problem with maiming rapists. Obviously I wouldn\'t\n>>have a problem with maiming murderers either.\n\n\n>May I ask if you had the same opinion before you became a Muslim?\n\n\n\nSure. Yes, I did. You see I don\'t think that rape and murder should\nbe dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for\nleniency\'s sake, apparently think that people should simply be\ntold the "did a _bad_ thing."\n\n\n>And what about the simple chance of misjudgements?\n\nMisjudgments should be avoided as much as possible.\nI suspect that it\'s pretty unlikely that, given my requirement\nof repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely.\n\n \n>>>>>>"Orient" is not a place having a single character. Your ignorance\n>>>>>>exposes itself nicely here.\n\n\n>>>>>Read carefully, I have not said all the Orient shows primitive machism.\n\n\n>>>>Well then, why not use more specific words than "Orient"? Probably\n>>>>because in your mind there is no need to (it\'s all the same).\n\n\n>>>Because it contains sufficient information. While more detail is possible,\n>>>it is not necessary.\n\n\n>>And Europe shows civilized bullshit. This is bullshit. Time to put out\n>>or shut up. You\'ve substantiated nothing and are blabbering on like\n>>"Islamists" who talk about the West as the "Great Satan." You\'re both\n>>guilty of stupidities.\n\n\n>I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers\n>not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran\n>allows that one beATs one\'s wife into submission. \n\n\nReally? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it.\n\n\n>Primitive Machism refers to\n>that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault).\n \n\nAgain, not all of the Orient follows the Qur\'an. So you\'ll have to do\nbetter than that.\n\n\nSorry, you haven\'t "put out" enough.\n\n \n>>>Islam expresses extramarital sex. Extramarital sex is a subset of sex. It is\n>>>suppressedin Islam. That marial sexis allowed or encouraged in Islam, as\n>>>it is in many branches of Christianity, too, misses the point.\n\n>>>Read the part about the urge for sex again. Religions that run around telling\n>>>people how to have sex are not my piece of cake for two reasons: Suppressing\n>>>a strong urge needs strong measures, and it is not their business anyway.\n\n>>Believe what you wish. I thought you were trying to make an argument.\n>>All I am reading are opinions.\n \n>It is an argument. That you doubt the validity of the premises does not change\n>it. If you want to criticize it, do so. Time for you to put up or shut up.\n\n\n\nThis is an argument for why _you_ don\'t like religions that suppress\nsex. A such it\'s an irrelevant argument.\n\nIf you\'d like to generalize it to an objective statement then \nfine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement\nthat sex is not the business of religion (one of your "arguments").\n\nThe urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong\nmeasures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so\nstrong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to\nfind a marriage partner.\n\n\n\nGregg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 18\n\nKent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote:\n: In article <11838@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert\n: Beauchaine) wrote:\n: > Someone spank me if I\'m wrong, but didn\'t Lord, Liar, or Lunatic\n: > originate with C.S. Lewis? Who\'s this Campollo fellow anyway?\n\n: I do think so, and isn\'t there a clear connection with the "I do\n: believe, because it is absurd" notion by one of the original\n: Christians (Origen?).\n\nThere is a similar statement attributed to Anselm, "I believe so that\nI may understand". In both cases reason is somewhat less exalted than\nanyone posting here could accept, which means that neither statement\ncan be properly analysed in this venue.\n\nBill\n\n\n',
'From: parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nKeywords: Success\nLines: 140\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu\nOrganization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT\n\nI told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead. The FBI and\nthe BATF could not let a man like that live. He was a testimonial to their\nstupidity and lies. \n\nNow before everyone gets crazy with me, let me say that Koresh was crazy as \na bed bug, but out government was crazier...and they lied to us.\n\nThey told us compound had been under survaillance for quite some time. Yet, \nwhoever was watching the place failed to see that Koresh went jogging and into\ntown on a regular basis. Everyone in the area claimed to have seen him and \nwondered why they didn\'t pick him up then. There are two possible answers.\nFirst, they didn\'t see him. What kind of survaillance is that? Second, they\ndidn\'t care. They wanted a confrontation. They wanted publicity and they got\nit.\n\nAfter the first battle, they told us that they did not know he knew they were\ncoming. They also said it would have been foolish to go in knowing that.\nWell, we know now that they intercepted the informants call and went in anyway.\n\nDid they explore all of the possibilities for ending the seige? According to\nthem they did, but according to the Hartford Courant, the woman that raised\nKoresh (His Grandmother) was not allowed to go in and see him. \n The FBI agent who she spoke with was Bob Ricks and according to the paper he\nsaid:\n\n"A lot of people think if you just talk to them logically they will come out.\nHis grandmother raised Vernon Howell; (Koresh\'s Real name) she didn\'t raise\nDavid Koresh."\n\nSomeone who raises you and loves you does not speak to you strickly on a\nlogical level. There is also an emotional level on which they can reach you.\n\nHere\'s another one. All during this operation the FBI has been claiming that\nthey feared a mass suicide and that is one of the reasons that something must\nbe done. Now they claim they never thought he would do it?\n\nI knew they were going to do something when they started talking about how\nmuch money this was costing. That was the start of the "Justification" part\npart of the plan. That\'s when I knew it would come soon.\n\nBut, back to the plan. It is considered "Cruel and Unusal Punishment" to\nexecute criminals in the minds of many people, but look at what\'s acceptable.\n\nThey knew the parents (adults) had gas masks. They did not know, or were not\nsure, if the children had them. So the plan was to pour the gas into the \ncompound. The mothers, seeing what the gas was doing to their children were\nsupposed to run out and that would only leave the men to deal with.\n\nI spent two years in the army and like everyother veteran I went through CBR\n(Chemical, Biological Radiological) warfare training. Part of that training\nis going into a room filled with the same stuff that the children were\nsubjected to. To make the stuff really interesting the gas also has a chemical \nagent that irritates the skin. You think its on fire.\n\nI have no doubts the children would become hysterical. Its not the kind of\nthing you never want to do again. This was the plan, the final solution.\n\nWe waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these\npeople 51 days. \n\nI stated on several occasions that there was absolutely nothing in this whole\nthing that the government could point to as a success. Well, FBI agent Ricks\nchanged my mind. Again a newclip from the Hartford Courant:\n\n"And while expressing regret at the loss of life, he suggested that the\noperation had been at least a modified success because not a single federal\nshot had been fired and not a single federal agent had been hurt."\n\nIt took 17 dead children to get us that new definition of success.\n\nOne more thought. The government claimed that they believed he had automatic\nweapons on the premises. \n \n HE HAD A LICENSE FOR THE 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN!\n\nTHEY KNEW DAMN WELL HE HAD ONE. THEY ALSO KNEW HE HAD IT LEGALLY!\n\nStill, without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him.\nFor all of this my President takes full responsibility. What a guy!\nI hope he gets it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn article <exuptr.1431.0@exu.ericsson.se>, exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) writes:\n> In article <11974@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:\n> \n>>Before you go absolving the BATF & FBI of all blame in this incident, you should\n>>probably be aware of two important facts.\n>>1. There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas. Tear gas is non-breathable\n>> remaining in it\'s presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually\n>> by siezures and death. Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people\n>> they exposed?? Any potential heart problems among the B-D\'s??\n> \n> No doubt it is dangerous stuff when concentrated.\n> \n>>2. Have you ever seen a tear gas canister?? Tear gas is produced by burning a\n>> chemical in the can. The fumes produced are tear gas. The canister has a \n>> warning printed on the side of it. "Contact with flamable material can result\n>> in fire." Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building \n>> they admited was a fire-trap??\n> \n> None. They used non-incindiary methods, which means they produced the gas \n> outside the building and pumped it in via the tanks.\n> \n> ---\n> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS-------\n> \n> ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible.\n> \n> Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138\n> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se "Don\'t let the .se fool you"\n',
'From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nReply-To: <news@opl.com>\nOrganization: HFSI\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.43.1993.1373@geneva.rutgers.edu> parkin@Eng.Sun.COM writes:\n\n>desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah. If\n>the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this\n>cup pass from him. Was this out of weakness. NEVER. Many men and\n>women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes.\n>Is Jesus less than these. No he is not. He knew the crucification\n>was NOT the will of GOD. God\'s will was that the Jewish people accept\n>Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on\n>the earth with Jesus as it\'s head. (Just like the Jewish people\n>expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what\n\t.\n\t.\n\t.\n\nWhy do you assume that Jesus\'s plea to His Father "to let this cup\npass from Him", was merely a plea to escape death? When I look at\nJesus in the garden, I see a Man-God, who all His life had had the\npresense of His Father with Him. As a result, He knew every\ndetail about His death long before the Agony in the Garden. But\nas that hour approached, He felt abandoned by His Father, His\npresense diminishing with each passing minute. In addition, it\nwas brought more and more to Jesus\'s attention (the betrayal of\nJudas was probably a big impact) that His suffering would be to no\navail for many people, especially those who would reject Him, not\nonly then but in the future. I truly believe that the majority of\nJesus\'s suffering was mental and spiritual, while the physical\nportion was only the tip of the iceburg.\n\nBTW, we know from John\'s account that Jesus *shunned* becomming an earthly\nking. From John:\n\nJOH 6:14 After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they\n began to say, "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the\n world."\nJOH 6:15 Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by\n force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.\n\nThis does not seem like a man who would regret not becoming an\nearthly king. No, Jesus knew His mission was to redeem all (Jew &\nGentile) people and establish His kingdom in the hearts of those\nwho would believe. This was utterly mistaken, much to Jesus\'s\ndismay, as an aspiration to some earthly kingdom. But He knew\nwhat His Father\'s will was and followed it obediently even in the\ndarkness of His Passion.\n\n-- \nJohn G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com\nHFS, Inc.\t\t VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata\n7900 Westpark Drive\t MS:601\t | Voice:\t(703) 827-6810\nMcLean, VA 22102\t | FAX:\t(703) 827-3729\n',
"From: ekalenda@netcom.com (Edward J Kalenda)\nSubject: Re: overlapped window without a title bar\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nFrom article <1rc07h$ern@olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com>, by manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das):\n> \n> I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc)\n> The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another \n> child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of\n> it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do\n> I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings.\n> I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening\n> is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes\n> behild it's siblings.\n\nThe window is probobly on top but the lower windows are drawing over it.\nTry using WS_CLIPSIBLING to keep the lower siblings from drawing on the\ntop sibling's space.\n-- \n\nEd\nekalenda@netcom.COM\n",
'From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)\nSubject: Re: Building a UV flashlight\nOrganization: RAND\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org\n\nIn article <C5r6Lz.n25@panix.com> jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:\n>One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV\n>light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone\n>know what he was referring to?\n\nI don\'t want to get into a semantic argument, but contrary to some other\npostings "near UV light" /is/ "actual UV light." The "near" means that\nit is close to the visible spectrum (i.e. of relatively long wavelength),\nnot that it is "nearly UV." (I\'m sure you can figure out now just what\n"far UV" is.)\n\nRegular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts of UV in the\nnear end of the spectrum, such that a filter can be used to remove the\nvisible light and thus create a weak UV source. Stronger sources are\ngoing to require gas (probably mercury vapor) discharge tubes (such as\nfluorescent tubes with UV phosphor). Be careful, though; strong UV\nsources can cause physiological damage, especially to the eyes. The\nshorter wavelengths are the most dangerous.\n\nIt wouldn\'t project a beam like a flashlight, but replacing the tubes\nin a portable fluorescent lantern with UV tubes would be a relatively\ncheap way to create a portable source. It would be bright enough to\nbe useful, but not dangerously so.\n\n\t\t-Ed Hall\n\t\tedhall@rand.org\n',
"From: warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven)\nSubject: Mel Hall\nOrganization: CS\nLines: 9\n\n\nHas anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't\nwith the Yankees any more. What happened to him?\n\n\t\t\t\tDoug Dolven\n-- \nDoug Dolven\nwarped@cs.montana.edu\ngdd7548@trex.oscs.montana.edu\n",
'From: pbenson@ecst.csuchico.edu (Paul A. Benson)\nSubject: CD-ROM Indexes available\nOrganization: California State University, Chico\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu\n\nThe file and contents listings for:\n\nKnowledge Media Resource Library: Graphics 1\nKnowledge Media Resource Library: Audio 1\n\nare now available for anonymous FTP from cdrom.com\n',
"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)\nSubject: *** NeXTstation 8/105 For Sale ***\nArticle-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.013611.3796\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 32\nNntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n\n NeXTstation 25MHz 68040 8/105\n Moto 56001 DSP \n Megapixel (perfect - no dimming or shaking)\n\n keyboard/mouse (of course :)\n\n 2.1 installed\n 2.1 docs\n Network and System Administration\n User's Reference\n Applications\n\n The NeXT Book, by Bruce Webster (New Copy)\n\n Black NeXTconnection modem cable\n 30 HD disks (10 still in unwrapped box, others for backing up\n apps)\n\nI NEED to sell this pronto to get a car (my engine locked up)!\nMachine runs great... only used in my house. Has been covered when\nnot in use on the days I wasn't around.\n\n$2,300 INCLUDING Federal Express Second Day Air, OR best offer, COD to\nyour doorstep (within continental US)!! I need to sell this NOW, so\nif you don't agree with the price, make an offer, but within reason.\n;)\n\nThanks,\nJT\n\n(please no letters asking me to donate for a tax break)\n",
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 191\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>Much though it might be fun to debate capital punishment itself,\n>this is probably the wrong group for it. The only relevance here\n>is that you don\'t seem to be able to tell us what capital punishment\n>actually is, and when it is murder. That is, when you tell us murder\n>is wrong, you are using a term you have not yet defined.\n\nWell, I\'ve said that when an innocent person has been executed, this is\nobjectively a murder. However, who is at blame is another question.\nIt seems that the entire society that sanctions any sorts of executions--\nrealizing the risks--is to blame.\n\n>There is a *probability* of \n>killing an innocent person by shooting at random into the air, and \n>there is a *probability* of killing an innocent person when the\n>state administers a system of capital punishment. So when you do\n>either, you know that they actions you are taking will sooner or \n>later result in the killing of an innocent person.\n\nYes, but there is also a probablity that you will kill someone doing\nany raondom activity. Presumably, you had not isolated yourself totally\nfrom the rest of society because of this.\n\n>>And, driving will kill people, as will airlines, but people continue to do\n>>both.\n>Driving and flying are not punishments inflicted on unwilling\n>prisoners by Courts. They are risks that we take upon ourselves\n>willingly.\n\nAnd I argue that our law system is a similar risk. Perhaps an innocent\nperson will be punished someday, but we work to prevent this. In fact,\nmany criminals go free as a result of our trying to prevent punishment\nof innocents.\n\n>If our own driving kills someone else, then sure, there is a moral\n>issue. I know at least one person who was involved in a fatal\n>accident, and they felt vey guilty afterwards.\n\nBut, such accidents are to be totally expected, given the numner of vehicals\non the road. Again, the blame is on society.\n\n>>No I\'m not. This is what you said. You were saying that if there were such\n>>a false witness that resulted in an innocent person being convicted and killed\n>>, it would still be the fault of the state, since it did the actual killing.\n>No, I just commented that the state does the killing. It does not\n>depend on there being false witnesses. How could it? The state\n>does the killing even in the case of sincere mistakes\n\nYes, but the state is not at fault in such a case. The state can only do\nso much to prevent false witnesses.\n\n>>It is possible. So, what are you trying to say, that capital punishment\n>>is always murder because of the possibilty of human error invalidating\n>>the system?\n>I\'m saying capital punishment is murder, period. Not because of\n>this that and the other, but because it involves taking human life.\n>That\'s *my* definition of murder. I make no appeals to dictionaries\n>or to "objective" morals.\n\nOkay, so this is what you call murder. But, the question is whether or not\nall such "murders" are wrong. Are you saying that all taking of human life\nis wrong, no matter what the circumstances?\n\n>If we, as a society, decide to murder someone, then we should say\n>that, and lists our reasons for doing so, and live with the moral\n>consequences. We should not play word games and pretend that\n>murder isn\'t murder. And that\'s *my* opinion about how society\n>ought to be run.\n\nBut, this is basically how it works. Society accepts the risk that an\ninnocent person will be murdered by execution. And, every member of\nsociety shares this blame. And, most people\'s definitions of murder\ninclude some sort of malicious intent, which is not involved in an\nexecution, is it?\n\n>>But, we were trying to discuss an objective moral system, or at least its\n>>possibilty. What ramifications does your personal system have on an\n>>objective one?\n>No, we were not discussing an objective moral system. I was showing\n>you that you didn\'t have one, because, for one thing, you were incapable\n>of defining the terms in it, for example, "murder".\n\nMurder violates the golden rule. Executions do not, because by allowing\nit at all, society implicitly accepts the consequences no matter who the\ninnocent victim is.\n\n>>We\'re not talking about reading minds, we are just talking about knowing the\n>>truth. Yes, we can never be absolutely certain that we have the truth, but\n>>the court systems work on a principle of knowing the "truth" "beyond a\n>>reasonable doubt." \n>Sorry, but you simply are not quoting yourself accurately. Here\n>is what you said:\n>\t"And, since we are looking totally objectively at this case,\n>\tthen we know what people are thinking when they are voting to\n>\texecute the person or not. If the intent is malicious and \n>\tunfair, then the execution would be murder."\n>What you are doing now is to slide into another claim, which is\n>quite different. The jury being *persuaded* beyond a serious\n>doubt is not the same as us knowing what is in their minds beyond\n>a serious doubt.\n\nReading the minds of the jury would certainly tell whether or not a conviction\nwas moral or not. But, in an objective system, only the absolute truth\nmatters, and the jury system is one method to approximate such a truth. That\nis, twelve members must be convinced of a truth.\n\n>Moreover, a jury which comes from a sufficiently prejudiced background\n>may allow itself to be persuaded beyond a serious doubt on evidence\n>that you and I would laugh at.\n\nBut then, if we read the minds of these people, we would know that the\nconviction was unfair.\n\n>>But, would it be perfectly fair if we could read minds? If we assume that\n>>it would be fair if we knew the absolute truth, why is it so much less\n>>fair, in your opinion, if we only have a good approximation of the absolute\n>>truth?\n>It\'s not a question of fairness. Your claim, which I have quoted\n>above is a claim about whether we can *know* it was fair, so as to\n>be able to distinguish capital punishnment from murder.\n\nYes, while we could objectively determine the difference (if we knew all\npossible information), we can\'t always determine the difference in our\nflawed system. I think that our system is almost as good as possible,\nbut it still isn\'t objectively perfect. You see, it doesn\'t matter if\nwe *know* it is fair or not. Objectively, it is either fair or it is not.\n\n>Now there\'s a huge difference. If we can read minds, we can know,\n>and if we cannot read minds, we can know nothing. The difference\n>is not in degree of fairness, but in what we can know.\n\nBut what we know has no effect on an objective system.\n\n>>I think it is possible to produce a fairly objective system, if we are\n>>clear on which goals it is supposed to promote.\n>I\'m not going to waste my time trying to devise a system that I am\n>pretty sure does not exist.\n\nWhy are you so sure?\n\n>I simply want people to confront reality. *My* reality, remember.\n\nWhy is *your* reality important?\n\n>In this case, the reality is that, "ideal theories\' apart, we can\n>never know, even after the fact, about the fairness of the justice\n>system. For every innocent person released from Death Row, there\n>may have been a dozen innocent people executed, or a hundred, or\n>none at all. We simply don\'t know.\n\nBut, we can assume that the system is fairly decent, at least most likely.\nAnd, you realize that the correctness of our system says nothing about a\ntotally ideal and objective system.\n\n>Now what are we going to do? On the one hand, we can pretend\n>that we have an \'ideal\' theory, and that we can know things we can\n>never know, and the Justie System is fair, and that we can wave a \n>magic wand and make certain types of killing not murder, and go \n>on our way.\n\nWell, we can have an ideal system, but the working system can not be ideal.\nWe can only hope to create a system that is as close an approximation to\nthe ideal system as possible.\n\n>On the other hand, we can recognize that all Justice has a small\n>- we hope - probability of punishing the innocent, and that in the\n>end we do bear moral responsibility even for the probabilistic\n>consequences of the systems we set up, and then say, "Well, here\n>we go, murdering again." Maybe some of us will even say "Gee, I\n>wonder if all this is strictly necessary?"\n\nYes, we all bear the responsibility. Most people seem willing to do this.\n\n>I think that the second is preferable in that if requires people\n>to face the moral consequences of what we do as a society, instead\n>of sheltering ourselves from them by magic ceremonies and word \n>games.\n\nWe must realize the consequences of all our actions. Why do you keep\nseparating the justice system from the pack?\n\n>And lest I forget, I also don\'t think we have an objective moral\n>system, and I believe I only have to take that idea seriously\n>when someone presents evidence of it.\n\nI don\'t think our country has an objective system, but I think such an\nobjective system can exist, in theory. Without omniscience, an objective\nsystem is not possible in practice.\n\nkeith\n',
'From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nOrganization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes:\n>\n>Just a question. \n>As a provider of a public BBS service - aren\'t you bound by law to gurantee\n>intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes\n>with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition\n>for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)\n\nThat sounds like an old _Dragnet_ episode.\n\n "Joe and I went to the apartment of Prime Suspect. Nobody answered the\n door, but his landlord gave us permission to search the apartment."\n\nPerhaps that worked in California in the 60\'s, but as I understand the\nlaw landlords do _not_ have authority to grant permission to search space\nrented by a third party, provided the lease is not in default, etc.\n(I\'m not even sure if they can provide the master key, when shown a search\nwarrant, since the _subject_ of the search is supposed to be notified).\n\nAt this point the question becomes: did the user "rent" the disk space\nher encrypted file occupies? If she did, it _should_ fall under the same\nbody of case law that applies to apartments, storage lockers, etc. (As\nto whether any court would recognize this fact....) If she did not (i.e.,\nno compensation exchanged), I don\'t know how it would be treated -- there\ndoesn\'t seem to be a non-cyberspace equivalent.\n\n-- \nBear Giles\nbear@fsl.noaa.gov\n',
"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: X-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <C5LxEw.9p0@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:\n\n> Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to\n>speak out? \n\nI sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must \nbe righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of \nUrartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to \nthe world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization.\n\nAll reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly\nexterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of \nEastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the \nOttoman Empire between 1914-1920.\n\nIt is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators\nof the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal/Nazi\nmembers of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate\nracism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples. \n\nAnd x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following \nways:\n\n1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide\nin order to shift international public opinion away from its political\nresponsibility.\n\n2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism \nTriangle and criminal/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the \nveracity of the Turkish Genocide.\n\n3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through\nthe ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to \nsilence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.\n\n4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet\nArmenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through\nterrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters\nof the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.\n\nUsing all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government \nis attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from\nmaking the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.\n\nYet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist\nand revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle \nof those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians,\nthe international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and \nconsequently a number of governments and organizations have become \nsupportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n",
'From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on \'90 Maxima?\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 78\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.000601.14223@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) writes:\n>\n>Hi, maybe someone can help me here...\n>I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now.\n\nSo its an automatic? Don\'t know if US spec=CDN spec. for Maximas.\n\n>The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it.\n>A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi).\n>The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification\n>he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced\n>to meet the legal standards. (He said he will replace the components before\n>selling the car to me.)\n>\n>Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don\'t know\n>what this could mean...\n>Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items?\n>Or is this an indication that the car was abused?\n\nIf it is the first set of brake pads on front, then this is fine. My car\neats a set every 15k miles or so. The fact that he is replacing the\nmuffler too is also ok.\n\n>Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon?\n\nThe mileage is fairly low - but typical fwd stuff is CV joints. Check\nthe maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve\nadjustments, timing belt changes and so on.\n\nThe 60k mile service is often expensive, so make sure he has done everything.\n\n\n>The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but,\n>I don\'t know how to verify this... I\'ve seen the paint chipped away\n>in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though.\n>\nWell, this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a\ncar with highway miles. \nMight check the gas pedal wear too. Ask him how many sets of tires he\nhas been through. A highway car might have squeezed by on 2 sets,\na hard driven car 6-10 sets.\n\n\n>Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and\n>well kept, it\'s currently out of warranty\n>(a similarly priced \'90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km\n>worth of warranty left) and I don\'t want to worry about paying for\n>any repair bills...\n\nWell, the Maxima should be pretty reliable - but if its out of warranty\nyou should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first. Stuff\nfor Japanese cars can be expensive.\n\n>But, I also need a car for 5 people... \n>\n>When will the new Maxima come out, by the way?\n\n1995 model year, I believe. \n>\n>I would very much appreciate your input in this.\n>Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup.\n\nCraig\n>Thanks!\n>\n>Ryan\n>\n>\n>\n>========\n>Ryan Kim\n>University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics rkim@eecg.toronto.edu\n>"Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."\n> - from the new British Highway Code\n> (Toronto Star April 3, 1993)\n>\n\n\n',
'From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu\nSubject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?!\nOrganization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.033843.26854@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:\n> There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from\n> wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and\n> is called "grfwk61t.zip." This program should od everthing\n> you need.\n> \n> -- \n> \n> TMC\n> (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)\n\n\nTHANKS! It did work, and it is just what I needed thanks...\n\nJoshuaf\n',
"From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)\nSubject: MS-Windows graphics viewer?\nKeywords: ms windows jpeg gif tiff \nLines: 31\nReply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)\nOrganization: Trent University\n\n\nHowdy all,\n\n\tI was wondering if people could e-mail me their opinions on\nthe various graphics viewers available for MS-Windows 3.x... I'm\nworking on a project to set up our scanner and write documentation on\nhow to use it and it would be nice to have a snazzy image viewer \nto look at (and maybe even edit?) the image you just scanned.\n\nThe file formats I'm looking for:\n\nGIF\nJPEG\nTIFF\nPCX\nwhatever other 'major' file formats there are.\n\nThanks a lot for your help\n\nGrant\n\n--\nGrant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario\nGTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246\n========================================================================\nIn the days of old,\nWhen Knights were bold,\n\tAnd women were too cautious;\nOh, those gallant days,\nWhen women were women,\n\tAnd men were really obnoxious ...\n",
"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.074836.6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes:\n>| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers.\n>| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard.\n>| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work\n>| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W).\n\n>I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is\n>DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of\n>the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between\n>5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the\n>interface between the controller and the memory.\n>\n>My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance.\n\nComputer: 286-25 mhz\nBus: ISA (12.5 mhz)\nDrive: Maxtor 7213A (213 mb)\n\n config.sys / autoexec.bat\n\n MS DOS 5 no WIN 3.1\n smartdrv.sys cache smartdrv.exe\n\nCORE (V 2.7) 6950 k/sec 1390 k/sec 1395 k/sec\nNorton SI (V 5.0) 730 k/sec 980 k/sec 982 k/sec\n\nI'd still like to here from people with VLB-IDE.\nI still want to know what VLB bus speed is used with IDE drives.\nI still want to know if some (most ?) IDE drives can handle bus speeds > 8 mhz.\n\nPS: A friend with a 286-20 and a new Maxtor 7245 (245 meg IDE) drive gets\nbetween 800 - 1000 k/sec (can't remember exactly). I think the bus is running\nat 8 mhz in this case. \n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:\n\n>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back\n>>>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it\n>>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that\n>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?\n>>>\n>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987\n>>>\n>>Hmmm. These don\'t look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive\n>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)\n>\n>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to\n>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.\n>\n\nGood story, Chuck, but it won\'t wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci\none (and have it). This AM I couldn\'t find any reference to\n"weight rebound". I\'m not saying it isn\'t there, but since you\ncited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there.\nThere is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base,\nas usual.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt)\nSubject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ\nLines: 78\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.162313.154828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes\n>:\n>>I\'ve recently been working on project to determine the greatest\n>>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball,\n>>James\' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of\n>>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions...\n>>\n>>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried\n>>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded\n>>for time/convience\'s sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average,\n>>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases\n>>(for curiosity\'s sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP.\n>>\n>>3B\n>> 1) Mike Schmidt\n>> 2) Ed Matthews\nOne "t" in "Eddie Mathews"!\n>> 3) George Brett\n>> 4) Wade Boggs\n>> 5) Ron Santo\n>> 6) Brooks Robinson\n>> 7) Frank Baker\n>> 8) Darrell Evans\n>> 9) Pie Traynor\n>>10) Ray Dandridge\n>>\n>How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.\n>\nBecause a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near\nmaking up for the large difference in hitting. Their average\nseasons, using their combined average 656 (AB + BB) per 162 games:\n\n Years AB H R 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB AVG OBP SLG OPS\nSanto 14.10 577 160 81 26 5 24 94 268 79 .277 .366 .464 .830\nRobinson 17.55 607 162 70 27 4 15 77 243 49 .267 .325 .401 .726\n\nFielding, we have, per 162 games at third,\n\n Years P A DP E PCT\nSanto 13.15 149 348 30 24 .954\nRobinson 17.72 152 350 35 15 .971\n\nEven if Robinson\'s extra 3 putouts, 2 assists, and 5 DPs are taken to mean\nhe was responsible for 10 more outs in the field, that doesn\'t make up\nfor the extra 28 outs he made at the plate, not to mention the fewer\ntotal bases. The difference of .104 in OPS should be decreased by about\n.025 to account for Wrigley, but a .079 difference is still considerable.\nThe Thorn & Palmer ratings are\n\n Adjusted Adjusted Stolen Fielding Total\n Production Batting Runs Base Runs Runs Rating\nSanto 123 284 -14 137 41.7\nRobinson 105 52 -5 151 19.8 (26.3)\nUsual disclaimers about T&P\'s FR apply, but they really shouldn\'t be\nway off the mark in this comparison. At least it\'s better than fielding\npercentage: Carney Lansford has a .966 , 10th best all-time, but -225 FR,\ndead last of all time. Also, since this total rating compares players\nto league average instead of replacement level, Robinson should be\nawarded an extra 6.5 or so for playing 653 more games. He had a great\ncareer, but I would prefer Santo\'s plus 4 years of a replacement level 3Bman.\n\nBut I would knock Traynor off the list and replace him by Stan Hack.\nThat\'s a similar story, Hack\'s far better hitting outweighs Traynor\'s\nsuperior fielding. Graig Nettles and Buddy Bell would also be better\nchoices (IMHO of course, though some recent net discussion supports\nthis point of view.)\n>\n>>CF\n>> 7) Andre Dawson\n\nShouldn\'t that be right field?\n\n-- \n+-----------------------+\n| Bob Holt |\n| rjh@allegra.att.com |\n+-----------------------+\n',
'From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base\nSummary: career defensive averages at third\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 68\n\nCompiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career\nDAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of\nSherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order.\n\nThird Basemen\n-------------\n\nName 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88-92\nMitchell, Kevin .690 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.690\nGonzales, Rene .685 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.685\nLeius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672\nPendleton, Terry .692 .685 .631 .689 .634 0.667\nVentura, Robin ---- ---- .641 .647 .677 0.657\nWallach, Tim .728 .674 .600 .630 .665 0.657\nGruber, Kelly .717 .657 .580 .630 .664 0.650\nPagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649\nHarris, Lance ---- ---- .642 .652 ---- 0.648\nHowell, Jack .656 .666 .609 ---- ---- 0.647\nWilliams, Matt ---- ---- .633 .653 .656 0.647\nCaminiti, Ken ---- .675 .630 .653 .596 0.642\nSabo, Chris .751 .626 .616 .613 .575 0.642\nGaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637\nBuechele, Steve .647 .616 .647 .681 .599 0.635\nSalazar, Luis ---- .617 .643 .637 ---- 0.632\nPecota, Bill ---- ---- ---- .629 ---- 0.629\nSchmidt, Mike .628 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.628\nRiles, Ernie ---- .627 ---- ---- ---- 0.627\nBoggs, Wade .643 .659 .550 .653 .634 0.626\nMartinez, Egdar ---- ---- .621 .645 .599 0.624\nMolitor, Paul .633 .617 ---- ---- ---- 0.624\nPhillips, Tony ---- ---- .623 ---- ---- 0.623\n*NL Average* .643 .625 .602 .623 .603 0.619\nBrookens, Tom .616 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.616\nKing, Jeff ---- ---- .616 ---- ---- 0.616\nSeitzer, Kevin .654 .583 .593 ---- .635 0.616\n*AL Average* .641 .612 .604 .620 .602 0.615\nJacoby, Brook .624 .621 .600 ---- .597 0.613\nHansen, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .611 0.611\nLaw, Vance .635 .576 ---- ---- ---- 0.611\nMagadan, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .609 0.609\nJefferies, Greg ---- ---- ---- ---- .606 0.606\nSharperson, Mike ---- ---- .606 ---- ---- 0.606\nZeile, Todd ---- ---- ---- .614 .593 0.605\nBaerga, Carlos ---- ---- ---- .604 ---- 0.604\nHayes, Chris ---- .601 .622 .606 .574 0.602\nLivingstone, Scott ---- ---- ---- ---- .597 0.597\nHamilton, J. .611 .584 ---- ---- ---- 0.595\nKelly, Pat ---- ---- ---- .595 ---- 0.595\nLyons, Steve .590 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.590\nOberkfell, Ken .590 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.590\nJohnson, Howard .628 .549 .611 .573 ---- 0.588\nBell, Buddy .587 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.587\nLansford, Carney .620 .578 .594 ---- .550 0.587\nPresley, Jim .643 .595 .530 ---- ---- 0.584\nSchu, Rick ---- .584 ---- ---- ---- 0.584\nWorthington, Cal ---- .583 .575 ---- ---- 0.580\nHollins, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .577 0.577\nSheffield, Gary ---- ---- .584 ---- .567 0.575\nBlauser, Jeff ---- .573 ---- ---- ---- 0.573\nFryman, Travis ---- ---- ---- .571 ---- 0.571\nGantner, Jim ---- ---- ---- .570 ---- 0.570\nGomez, Lee ---- ---- ---- .551 .542 0.546\nPalmer, Dean ---- ---- ---- ---- .520 0.520\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large\n\n "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball\n',
"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: Rockies need some relief\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 13\n\nOnce again, the Rockies bullpen fell apart. Andy Ashby pitched six (somewhat\nshaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three\npicthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning\nand blew the save opportunity. (Final was 4-2 vs Expos).\n\nDespite their problems in the pen, I think the Rockies are a team that wont\nbe taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading\nhitter and RBI man (Galarraga), two of the leaders in stolen bases (Young\nand Cole) and increasingly strong starting pitching.\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy)\nSubject: Re: Title for XTerm\nReply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: I-NET Inc.\nLines: 52\n\nIn article 1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE, markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes:\n|>In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes:\n|>|> \n|>|> In article <C5oL74.3B1@aeon.in-berlin.de>, thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes:\n|>|> |> >Hey guys!\n|>|> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname\n|>|> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it\'s open and a machine name only\n|>|> |> >when it\'s closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear\n|>|> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed.\n|>|> |> >How can I do it?\n|>|> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support\n|>|> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your\n|>|> |> .login (if you\'re using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it.\n|>|> |> \n|>|> |> if ( "$term" == "xterm" ) then\n|>|> |> \techo "^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"\n|>|> |> endif\n|>|> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm.\n|>|> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ?\n|>|> Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they\n|>|> are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced,\n|>|> but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ?\n|>|> This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work\n|>|> on xterms.\n|>It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original\n|>question:\n|>\n|>I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop\n|>menu. Here is a sample command:\n|>\n|>\txterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i &\n|>\n|>The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the\n|>tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following:\n|>\n|>I have an\n|>\n|>\talias precmd echo -n \'^[]2\\;${HOST}:$cwd^G\'\n|>\n|>in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time\n|>before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current\n|>directory path in the title bar of my xterms.\n\nHave you gotten an answer yet? Using your variables, this is what I would do:\n\txterm -T "$HOST - $LOGNAME" -n "$HOST"\n\n---\nDaniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc.\nNASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950\nNASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698\nHouston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\n\n',
"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic?\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr2.125134.3780@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Ben's dad) writes:\n\n|In article <C4tAuw.Mrz@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n|> In article <1pasrg$ife@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:\n|> \n|> |\tThe title is self-explanatory; Isaac Asimov once pointed out\n|> |that curious fact.\n|> \n|> Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give\n|> everything you own to the state.\n\n|Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give\n|your *life* in battle for the state? The PC (Patrioticly Correct) certainly\n|think so.\n\n|> I thought that kind of system collapsed\n|> when the Soviet Union did.\n\n|No, the pentagon is still standing and collecting names for the draft.\n\n|> If that's not what you meant. At what point does paying more taxes cease\n|> being patriotic?\n\n|Your money or your life. Which is more important?\n\nNice dodge. I give it a 9.2.\n\nNow to answer your questions. I do not believe that there should be a\ndraft. The armed services should be voluntary. Can you say the same\nabout taxes.\n\nI've answered your question. Would you now answer mine.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n",
"From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu ( )\nSubject: Re: Cubs behind Marlins? How?\nArticle-I.D.: agate.1pt592$f9a\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\n\ngajarsky@pilot.njin.net writes:\n\nmorgan and guzman will have era's 1 run higher than last year, and\n the cubs will be idiots and not pitch harkey as much as hibbard.\n castillo won't be good (i think he's a stud pitcher)\n\n This season so far, Morgan and Guzman helped to lead the Cubs\n at top in ERA, even better than THE rotation at Atlanta.\n Cubs ERA at 0.056 while Braves at 0.059. We know it is early\n in the season, we Cubs fans have learned how to enjoy the\n short triumph while it is still there.\n",
'From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nSummary: More on limiting libertarians\nOrganization: Free the Barbers, Inc.\nLines: 100\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <18APR199320091677@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>> \n>\n>Okay, let me try to explain this.\n>\n>When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President,\n>one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover\n>all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one\'s influence is highly diluted.\n>I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations,\n>the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation,\n>combined with the very small chance of one\'s vote making a difference, would\n>make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision\n>with respect to specific regulations. \n\nI\'m afraid that I\'ve lost the thread here. I didn\'t suggest that all \ngovernment regulations be subject to referenda. So I don\'t follow the \ncomments above.\n\n>> \n>> \n>:Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only "feasible" approach. What is\n>:not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and \n>:licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent\n>:tasks.\n>\n>I\'m not sure what you mean by "feasible" in this case. Do you mean that\n>[] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in\n>fact?\n\nI mean that an ideology that treats all government regulation as equally\nundesirable and seeks to abolish all regulations is unlikely to draw\nsupport among more than a miniscule portion of the electorate.\n\nFurthermore, I am suggesting that such a plan is not feasible in an\nindustrial society because the weight of litigation and/or misery it\nwould produce would effectively crush productive effort.\n>\n>\n>:Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as \n>:generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense.\n>:(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to\n>:be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending\n>:that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...)\n>\n>You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence\n>of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt \n>with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to\n>the state are the coersive ones.\n\nNo, I\'m not surprised. I just think it\'s interesting that on one hand\nlibertarians assume a limited government can be decreed, yet on the other\nposit an entire government made up of people who carry guns. (I realize\nthat many libertarians assume that such a government will be \ncounterbalanced by a fully armed citizenry, but it is worth noting that\nwidespread civilian ownership of guns does not necessarily prevent the\nestablishment of totalitarian government, e.g. Iraq.)\n>\n>> \n>:Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries\n>:frequently generate support by acting as protectors of "geezers," \n>:mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds\n>:that "we don\'t have much to fear" from them do so at their own peril.\n>\n>Much more likely it\'s drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more \n>likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. \n>In the unlikely\n>event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly:\n>The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered\n>"defense" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is\n>so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously\n>dispute this?\n\nYup, sure do. But since I also support the constitutional requirement\nthat the government provide for the general welfare (Article I section 8),\nI\'m willing to justify such programs on that basis.\n>\n>\n>\tI don\'t want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring\n>under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably\n>intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions.\n>I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be\n>ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don\'t expect you to agree\n>with me, but you explain why you feel I\'m wrong?\n\nWell, in the first place, I don\'t support a "socialized economic system."\nI think within limits that capitalism is a fine idea. But it is not\nthe case that "any third party...is...as likely to be ignorant or corrupt\nas the buyer or seller." There are multitudes of examples where such a\nstatement is demonstrably false. Regulation of stock market transactions\nthat provide a reasonable basis for buyers to avoid fraud is only one\nexample.\n\njsh\n\n>Mr. Grinch\n--\nSteve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM \n"One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n',
'From: crichar@eskimo.com (Craig S. Richardson)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nArticle-I.D.: eskimo.C5JCK0.DEA\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Eskimo North (206) 367-3837 {eskimo.com}\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>|> In article <rudyC5Fr3q.1CL@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes:\n>|> >In article <C5FMxD.2pM@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes:\n>|> >>. He probably didn\'t even have as good a season as\n>|> >>Alomar last year.\n>|> > \n[snip]\n>|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter\n>|> last year.\n>|> \n[stats deleted - we\'ve all seen them by now]\n>This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last \n>year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga\n>had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage\n>for Alomar is OBP.\n\nI nominate this last bit for "Anti-Stathead Quote of the Week".\n\nAlomar only has a 50 point advantage in the most important offensive\ncategory, while Baerga, who studied in the Joe Carter School of Out-Burning,\nhas more impressive mediot stats, largely due to opportunities rather\nthan quality.\n\nThe lines are fairly close in value, but edge to Alomar.\n\nNow Baerga ain\'t chopped liver, but Alomar is still the man to beat among\nAL second basemen...\n\n--Craig\n-- \nCraig S. Richardson (crichar@eskimo.com - formerly eskimo.celestial.com))\nGM - Pullman Sleepers (OBFBL) GM - Seattle Rainiers (IFL) \nGM/Manager - Tacoma Black Adders (IBL) GM - New Jack City Highlanders (KL)\nTacoma Black Adders - A Growing, Excited Team! - "The Future Begins Tomorrow"\n',
'From: gt0463b@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Davis Smith)\nSubject: REAL ESTATE SALE\nArticle-I.D.: hydra.91506\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 71\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR SALE\n\n\n\n\n\n I have a nice residential lot available. It is approx-\n imately 1/2 acre in size. It is located in the development\n called Belvedere Plantation in Pender County, eastern North\n Carolina, north of Wilmington. The lot is near the Intra-\n Coastal Waterway. Golf and tennis are located on the\n development property. Belvedere Plantation also has a mar-\n ina facility on the ICW. This lot is nearby to all of the\n facilities mentioned.\n\n\n\n I own the lot outright but it does not look like I will\n get back to the area anytime soon. I would like to sell it\n for that reason. Make an offer.\n\n\n\n If interested please send E-mail.\n gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu. - Mike Smith\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \nMichael Davis Smith\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0463b\nInternet: gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu\n',
"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu \nwrites:\n>Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter\n>how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. \n\nNope. Here in Northern California, a newspaper recently did a survey,\nasking if people favored stricter gun controls. A full 40% said no.\nHere, in one of the most Liberal (it wasn't always a swear word :( areas\nof the country, nearly half the people don't want additional controls, let\nalone revocation of RKBA...\n\n>This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your\n>RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty.\n\nMisguided dolt though he may be (though, I still maintain, less dangerous\nthan Bush), Clinton does not publicly support revoking the second amendment.\n\n>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect\n>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time.\n>Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an\n>immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. \n\nWell, I'll help MY neighbors...\n\n>Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions\n>are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will\n>be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...\n\nViolent solutions are passe'? I take it you propose disarming the police,\nthen?\n\nPlease don't mention RKBA in the same breath as the KKK. RKBA is about\nbeing able to defend yourself and others, not about killing the innocent.\nActually, your mention of the KKK is rather funny, considering that the\nfirst gun control law in the US were created specifically to disarm black\npeople...\n\n don\n\n\n\n",
'From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Assistance to Palest.people\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500359:000:3036\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 15:00:00 1993\nLines: 78\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Assistance to Palest.people\n\n\nU.N. General Assembly Resolution 46/201 of 20 December 1991\n\nASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE\n---------------------------------------------\nThe General Assembly\n\nRecalling its resolution 45/183 of 21 December 1990\n\nTaking into account the intifadah of the Palestinian people in the\noccupied Palestinian territory against the Israeli occupation,\nincluding Israeli economic and social policies and practices,\n\nRejecting Israeli restrictions on external economic and social\nassistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian\nterritory,\n\nConcerned about the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a\nresult of the Gulf crisis,\n\nAware of the increasing need to provide economic and social\nassistance to the Palestinian people,\n\nAffirming that the Palestinian people cannot develop their\nnational economy as long as the Israeli occupation persists,\n\n1. Takes note of the report of the Secretary-General on assistance\nto the Palestinian people;\n\n2. Expresses its appreciation to the States, United Nations bodies\nand intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations that have\nprovided assistance to the Palestinian people,\n\n3. Requests the international community, the United Nations system\nand intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations to\nsustain and increase their assistance to the Palestinian people,\nin close cooperation with the Palestine Liberation Organization\n(PLO), taking in account the economic losses of the Palestinian\npeople as a result of the Gulf crisis;\n\n4. Calls for treatment on a transit basis of Palestinian exports\nand imports passing through neighbouring ports and points of exit\nand entry;\n\n5. Also calls for the granting of trade concessions and concrete\npreferential measures for Palestinian exports on the basis of\nPalestinian certificates of origin;\n\n6. Further calls for the immediate lifting of Israeli restrictions\nand obstacles hindering the implementation of assistance projects\nby the United Nations Development Programme, other United Nations\nbodies and others providing economic and social assistance to the\nPalestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory;\n\n7. Reiterates its call for the implementation of development\nprojects in the occupied Palestinian territory, including the\nprojects mentioned in its resolution 39/223 of 18 December 1984;\n\n8. Calls for facilitation of the establishment of Palestinian\ndevelopment banks in the occupied Palestinian territory, with a\nview to promoting investment, production, employment and income\ntherein;\n\n9. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General\nThe General Assembly at its 47th session, through the Economic and Social\nCouncil, on the progress made in the implementation of the present\nresolution.\n-----------------------------------------------\n\nIn favour 137 countries (Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,\nJapan, Africa, South America, Central America and Asia) Against:\nUnited States and Israel Abstaining: None\n\n\n',
'From: sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen)\nSubject: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: University of Tromsoe, Norway\nLines: 6\n\nI nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. \n\nDo I find it on any FTP host?\n\nSvein\n\n',
'From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng)\nSubject: 1990 Integra LS for sale\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nDistribution: nj\nKeywords: for sale integra\nLines: 15\n\n\n\n********* 1990 Integra LS for Sale *********\n\n5 speed, sunroof, rear spoiler, new tires\n59.7K miles\n\n$ 7950 or best offer.\n\ncall 908-949-0878\n 908-938-4101\n\nemail att!hotsoup!peng\n\n*********************************************\n',
"From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)\nSubject: compiling clients on a Sun IPX\nOrganization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.\nLines: 19\nNntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu\nOriginator: ndd@bal1\n\nI'm trying to set up an IPX for another group. I copied all the\nX stuff that I compiled on my 4/280 (which runs SunOS 4.1.1) using\ngcc 2.1, and most things run just fine. however, I did find a\ncouple of bugs, and when I try to recompile those clients on the IPX\n(which runs 4.1.3), I get\n\nld: Undefined symbol\n _XShapeQueryExtension\n _XShapeCombineMask\n\nI know that I can include libXext and get rid of those messages,\nbut I can't figure out why I get them on the IPX and not on the\n4/280. any ideas?\n\n-- \nNed Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)\nBasic Arrhythmia Laboratory\nBox 3140, Duke University Medical Center\nDurham, NC 27710 (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100\n",
'From: umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command)\nSubject: 256 Color Drivers\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1r2p1pINNp6\nReply-To: umeister@u.washington.edu\nDistribution: pnw\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu\n\nI would appreciate the driver name from CICA which functions as a 256\ncolor driver for a Quadtel video card. The type of chip or chipset used\nwould suffice as well.\n\n umeister@u.washington.edu\n',
"From: jslam@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.lam)\nSubject: Re: Request for Islanders e-mail list\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr5.183014.16567\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.014237.20959@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes:\n>In article <16b5xvf@rpi.edu> wangr@rpi.edu writes:\n>>>If anyone out there is keeping an Islanders e-mail list, could you\n>>>please add me to it? Thanks in advance.\n>>\n>>>Ercu\n>>\t\n>>\tCan u add me onto the list too....Thanks...\n>>\n>>Rex\n>\n>Count me IN !!!!\n>\n>Go Isles!\n>\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t-Don\n>\n>bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca\n>\n\nPlease count me in also...\n\nJust can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers\nin overtime on last Friday!!!\n\nGo Isles!\n",
'From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>\nSubject: 16 bit serial converters\nX-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 06:56:45 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-34.gw.umn.edu\nOrganization: persian cat & carpet co.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7\nLines: 2\n\nSomeone was looking for these a few weeks ago - check out comp.dsp\nMike.\n',
"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Q the Lost Gospel\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 5\n\nJust finished reading Burton Mack's new book, _The Lost Gospel, Q and Christian\nOrigins_. I thought it was totally cool. Anyone else read it and want to \ntalk?\n\nRandy\n",
"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)\nSubject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??\nNntp-Posting-Host: opal12\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 39\n\njlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long) writes:\n\n>In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com> tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com \n>(Tommy Szeto) writes:\n>> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every\n>> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water\n>> under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually \n>happens\n>> after a good thunder storm. A few Qs:\n>> \n>> 1) Is this a common problem?\n>> 2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?\n\n>I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back. I \n>think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the \n>spare. Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage above \n>the level of the spare area. \n\n>This has taken a low priority since I just found out (while rotating my tires) \n>that I have a torn CV boot - ugh!!\n\nI've got an 89 GT. It has the smoked taillight assembly. I think this is where\nthe water is getting in. When I first got it (had it for a month), one of the rear\ntaillights fogged up with moisture. I took it in to the dealer and they replaced\nthe entire assembly. It happened to the other one about 3 months later. This time\nI happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there. The\ndealer was more reluctant this time to replace it. But I convinced them to\nfix it. (They must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same\nproblem.) I haven't noticed water in the taillamps (or the trunk) for the last 2.5\nyears, but just last month, the taillamp just fogged up again. I'm going to try\nto take it back to get them to fix it again. I'm real tempted to drill some vent\nand drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it. This is\ngetting very annoying. (Almost every other `89 GT I've seen has had this problem.)\n\nVel\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- Vel Natarajan nataraja@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL --\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)\nSubject: Hey, What about teh Cannucks?\nReply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)\nOrganization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center\nLines: 13\n\nHi all,\n\nDue to living in the Bay Area, I as unable to see Vancouver's victory over\nthe Jets last night. I know the score, but that rarely describes the game.\nCould someone please post a brief sonapsis (sp?) of waht happened. How well\ndid each team play? Were the cannucks deserving of the victory?\n\nAlso, could some kind soul please email me the end of season, individual\nplayer stats?\n\nGreg\n\n-- Vancouver for the cup (in a virtual reality)--\n",
"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Islam is caused by believing (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism)\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 40\n\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.173100.29861@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n>>I'm only saying that anything can happen under atheism. Being a\n>>beleiver, a knowledgeable one in religion, only good can happen.\n\nThis is becoming a tiresome statement. Coming from you it is \na definition, not an assertion:\n\n Islam is good. Belief in Islam is good. Therefore, being a \n believer in Islam can produce only good...because Islam is\n good. Blah blah blah.\n\nThat's about as circular as it gets, and equally meaningless. To\nsay that something produces only good because it is only good that \nit produces is nothing more than an unapplied definition. And\nall you're application is saying that it's true if you really \nbelieve it's true. That's silly.\n\nConversely, you say off-handedly that _anything_ can happen under\natheism. Again, just an offshoot of believe-it-and-it-becomes-true-\ndon't-believe-it-and-it-doesn't. \n\nLike other religions I'm aquainted with, Islam teaches exclusion and\ncaste, and suggests harsh penalties for _behaviors_ that have no\nlogical call for punishment (certain limits on speech and sex, for\nexample). To me this is not good. I see much pain and suffering\nwithout any justification, except for the _waving of the hand_ of\nsome inaccessible god.\n\nBy the by, you toss around the word knowledgable a bit carelessly.\nFor what is a _knowledgeable believer_ except a contradiction of\nterms. I infer that you mean believer in terms of having faith.\nAnd If you need knowledge to believe then faith has nothing\nto do with it, does it?\n\n-jim halat\n \n\n",
'From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara\nLines: 35\nNntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.055039.29715@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au>\n oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) writes:\n [stuff deleted]\n>Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a \n>clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock\n>hardware interrupt and BIOS don\'t do this (date advance) automatically. The\n>Get Date call notices that a "midnight reset" flag has been set, and then\n>then advances the date.\n>\n>Anybody with more info?\n\nThere are two \'problems\':\n(1) the BIOS TOD routine which updates the BIOS clock uses only 1 bit\n for day increment, so a second wrapping of the clock past midnight\n will get lost if no one calls the BIOS to read the clock in the\n meantime, and\n(2) the BIOS resets the day wrap indicator on the first \'get date\'\n call from ANYBODY (after the wrap indicator has been set). So\n unless the first BIOS \'get date\' call after midnight is done by\n the DOS \'kernel\' (which is the only part of DOS which knows how to\n increment the date, the day wrap indication is normally lost.\nMy guess is that Kevin\'s \'menu\' system uses BIOS calls to read the\nclock (in order to display the time), and is hence the entity which\ncauses the day wrap indication to get lost. Even if the \'menu\' system\n\'notices\' the day \'wrap\' (which I think is indicated by a non-zero\nvalue in AL), there really isn\'t any particularly good way to tell DOS\nabout it, so that DOS can update the day. The menu system \'should\' use\nDOS calls to get the time, which would cause the DOS \'kernel\' to do\nthe BIOS call, and the wrap indicator would hence be processed\nproperly. Possibly, though, the \'menu\' system can\'t easily use DOS\ncalls for time, because DOS is not reentrant, and perhaps time\nincrementing ofters occur while the \'menu\' system is \'inside\' some\nother DOS call.\n\nWally Bass\n',
"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <C5JCH1.FrC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:\n>|> >\tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n>|> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n>|> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to\n>|> >sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n>\n>We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these.\n\nYes, but they don't look appropriate. I much prefer used 833 tubes on\nmy tree.\n--scott\n",
"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit)\nSubject: Re: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Lie Through Their Teeth! \nIn-Reply-To: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20: 45:12 GMT\nOrganization: York U. Student Information Systems Project\nLines: 15\n\nDavidian-babble:\n\n>The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra-\n>nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its \n>revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the \n>world. \n\nTurkish government on usenet? How long are you going to keep repeating\nthis utterly idiotic [and increasingly saddening] drivel?\n\noz\n---\n life of a people is a sea, and those that look at it from the shore \n cannot know its depths.\t\t\t -Armenian proverb \n\n",
"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Just what is in the Jobs/Pork bill?\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\nThis was in Wed. WSJ.\n\n[start]\nThe white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded\nnews outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that\ncertain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't\npassed.\n\nNone of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are\npart of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in\nCommunity Development Block Grants.\n\n...\n\n[end]\n\nI could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving\nabout how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this\nwish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that\nsame list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to\ndo the honarable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n",
'From: news@cbnewsk.att.com\nSubject: Re: anger\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Labs\nLines: 31\n\n>Paul Conditt writes:\n>>In case you couldn\'t tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when\n>>I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and\n>>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other\n>>socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through\n>>their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus...\n\nAaron Bryce Cardenas) writes:\n>The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is "obvious"ly wrong to\n>be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry\n>which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us\n>for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was "forgive\n>them Father, they know not what they do." ...\n\nI don\'t know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the \nflesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves\nmoral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is\nnot to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that\nwe hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God\naccepts us. It seems that Paul\'s anger he has accepted and channeled\nit to a plea to all of us to refrain from passing judgement on those\nafflicted with a disease and to reach out to others. Give in? Calling\nhis arguments foolish, belittling them to only quarrels, avoiding action\nbecause of fear to give others a bad feeling, he\'s not forgiving?\n\nRe-think it, Aaron. Don\'t be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with\nAIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made\nappropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to\nhis anger.\n\nJoe Moore\n',
' cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nFrom: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\n <930401.112329.0u1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> <11710@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\nLines: 17\n\nbobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n\n> And in the US, even that argument doesn\'t stand. It costs far\n> more to execute a criminal in this country than it does to feed,\n> clothe, and shelter them for the remainder of their natural life.\n> Some people believe this is a fault of our judicial system. I\n> find it to be one of it\'s greatest virtues.\n\nI assume that you are talking about the appeals processes, etc.?\nWell, it should be noted that people who are imprisoned for life\nwill also tend to appeal (though not quite as much in the "final\nhours."\n\nAnyway, economics is not a very good reason to either favor or oppose\nthe punishment.\n\nkeith\n',
'From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....")\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 32\n\neshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu writes:\n> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n> \n> >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in\n> >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering\n> >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is\n> >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda.\n> \n> If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then \n> consider the Washington Post\'s handling of American events to be propoganda\n> too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I\n> wouldn\'t compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide\n> some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you \n> keep your mouth shut. I\'m sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing\n> Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis\n> you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn\'t true and you are\n> just trying to discredit Israel).\n> \n> Ed.\n> \nYou know ed,... You\'re right! Andi shouldn\'t be comparing\nIsrael to the Nazis. The Israelis are much worse than the\nNazis ever were anyway. The Nazis did a lot of good for\nGermany, and they would have succeeded if it weren\'t for the\ndamn Jews. The Holocaust never happened anyway. Ample\nevidence given by George Schafer at Harvard, Dept. of History,\nand even by Randolph Higgins at NYU, have shown that the\nHolocaust was just a semitic conspiracy created to obtain\nsympathy to piush for the creation of Israel.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n',
"Subject: CHRISTIAN DEVIL REVEALED!\nFrom: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.\nLines: 56\n\n>For a while I was puzzled by the the concept of Adam and Eve coming to\n>know good and evil. This is how I resolved it. Within God's universe\n>each action evokes an equal and opposite reaction. There can be no good\n>without evil as an opposite. So the issue is not what you do but to whom\n>you give your allegiance. That is why, even in this sinful state, when we\n>perform an evil act while we are submitted to God He does not place that\n>sinful act to our account (Rom 4:8) In the same vein you can perform all \n>the good deeds in the book, if your life is not under God's control you are \n>still sinning (see Rom 14:23).\n\nNow, take a good look at at, an tell me man, there is no Christian\nDevil? There is, is real, is a virus, a meme, infecting and possessing\nthe good people and keep 'em from becoming human beings with emphasis on\nthe being! Is not a matter of good people an evil people, is all good\npeople see, but some good people vexed of the Christian Devil. An it\ncan't be burn out or lynch out or rape out. Only wise up let I rise up.\nChristian Devil is real man, how else can you explain five hundred years\nof history, even more? Can only be explained by Christians invoke\nChristian Devil.\n\nyou keep on knocking but you can't come in, i got to understand you've\nbeen living in sin, but walk right in and sit right down, i'll keep\non loving you, i'll play the clown, but bend down low, let i tell you\nwhat i know yah\n\ni've been 'buked brothers and i've been stoned, woe, woe, woe, now i'm\nhung by a tree in the the ganging on a few, woe, woe, woe, it doesn't\nmatter who the man is who lives the life he loves, it doesn't matter\nwhat the man does or the honest life he loves, i want somewhere, i want\nsomewhere, hallelujah, hallelujah, somewhere to lay my head, woe is me\n\nonly ska beat in 'eaven man\n\nstiff necked fools, you think you're cool, to deny me for simplicity, yes\nyou have gone, for so long with your love for vanity now, yes you have\ngot the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain imagination, so take jah\nsun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars, and forever yes erase your\nfantasy, yeah, the lips of the righteous teach many, but fools die for\nwant of wisdom, the rich man's wealth is in his city, the righteous\nwealth is in his holy place, so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain\nand jah stars, and forever yes erase your fantasy, destruction of the\npoor is in their poverty, destruction of the soul is vanity, yeah, but i\ndon't want to rule ya, i don't want to fool ya, i don't want to school\nya, things you, you might never know about, yes you have got the wrong\ninterpretation mixed up with vain, vain imagination, stiff necked fools,\nyou think you're cool, to deny me for, oh simplicity\n\nlove to see, when yah move in the rhythm, love to see when you're\ndancing from within, it gives great joy to feel such sweet togetherness,\neveryone's doing and they're doing their best, it remind i of the days\nin jericho, when we trodden down jericho wall, these are the days when\nwe'll trod true babylon, gonna trod until babylon fall\n\nthen I saw the angel with the seven seals saying, babylon throne going down\n\nwe weeping and we wailing tonight\n",
'From: chen@protostar.harvard.edu\nSubject: re: BBBBIG problem with W4W print file. Help!!!!\nOrganization: Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics \nDistribution: world \nLines: 34\n\n\nIn article <1993Mar31.014237.28478@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> dwoo@unb.ca writes:\n>To all the W4W experts:\n>\n>I have a file that is three pages long with 10 to 12 1-line equations\n>plus a 5"by 2" diagram. The size of this file is about 81KB before\n>unlinking all the embedded objects and 30KB after unlinking all the\n>embedded objects. Well, when I print it (since I don\'t have a laser\n>printer, I have to send it to a print file), W4W gives me back a\n>BBBBBBIG file that is well over 6MB long. I just fail to see how a 81K\n>file can be boosted to a 6MB file. Obviously, I will not able to carry\n>this 6MB+ file to the public printer unless I find myself a network\n>card, a cable etc.\n>\n>Could anyone please enlighten me with a solution? (I already try to\n>print a page at a time, it still won\'t fit into a HD floppy)\n>\n>Thanx a mil.\n>\n>\n>\n>*****************************************************************\n>* Dennis Woo Department of Mechanical Engineering *\n>* E-mail: dwoo@unb.ca University of New Brunswick *\n>* Tel: (506) 453-4513 *\n>*****************************************************************\t\n> \n>\nI once had this problem. All I did was to copy the whole doc to a new file. The problem \nwas gone. Hope this helps.\n\nHua\n\n\n',
'From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: "Clipper" an Infringement on Intergraph\'s Name?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nLines: 28\n\nBesides being an infringement on our civil liberties (not the subject\nin this post), the name "Clipper Chip" seems very confusable with the\n"Clipper" chip of Intergraph.\n\nOriginally designed by a team at Fairchild Semiconductor, Clipper was\na 32-bit RISC microprocessor. It is still used in some workstations,\nnotably those from Intergraph, the supplier of CAD tools. Intergraph\nacquired the Clipper product line when Fairchild was sold to National\nSemiconductor several years back.\n\nWhen I first saw "Clipper Chip" in the announcement, I immediately\nthought the article was referring to the Clipper chip I know.\n\nThis seems to be grounds for Intergraph to sue, but then I\'m not a\nlawyer. I\'d say I\'m a cryptologist, but I don\'t want to incriminate\nmyself under the laws of the new regime.\n\n-Tim May\n\n\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, \ntcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n',
'From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor)\nSubject: Re: HELP_WITH_TRACKING_DEVICE\nSummary: underground and underwater wireless methods\nKeywords: Rogers, Tesla, Hertz, underground, underwater, wireless, radio\nNntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org\nOrganization: 4-L Laboratories\nExpires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <00969FBA.E640FF10@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> mcdonald@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU writes:\n>[...]\n>There are a variety of water-proof housings I could use but the real meat\n>of the problem is the electronics...hence this posting. What kind of\n>transmission would be reliable underwater, in murky or even night-time\n>conditions? I\'m not sure if sound is feasible given the distortion under-\n>water...obviously direction would have to be accurate but range could be\n>relatively short (I imagine 2 or 3 hundred yards would be more than enough)\n>\n>Jim McDonald\n\nRefer to patents by JAMES HARRIS ROGERS:\n958,829; 1,220,005; 1,322,622; 1,349,103; 1,315,862; 1,349,104;\n1,303,729; 1,303,730; 1,316,188\n\nHe details methods of underground and underwater wireless communications.\nFor a review, refer to _Electrical_Experimenter_, March 1919 and June 1919.\n\nRogers\' methods were used extensively during the World War, and was\nunclassified after the war. Supposedly, the government rethought this\nsoon after, and Rogers was convieniently forgotten.\n\nThe bottom line is that all antennas that are grounded send HALF of\ntheir signal THRU the ground. The half that travels thru space is\nquickly dissapated (by the square of the distance), but that which\ntravels thru the ground does not disapate at all. Furthermore,\nthe published data showed that when noise drowned out regular\nreception, the underground antennas would recieve virtually noise-free.\n\nIF you find this hard to believe, then refer to the work of the\nman who INVENTED wireless: Tesla. Tesla confirmed that Rogers\' methods\nwere correct, while Hertzian wave theory was completely "abberant".\n\n----\n ET "Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes."\n----\n',
'From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)\nSubject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman )\nNntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg\nOrganization: TECHNET, Singapore\nDistribution: na\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Ufk_Gqu00WBKE7cX5V@andrew.cmu.edu> Ashish Arora <ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po..\n>by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig \n>[...]\n>\n>> The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before \n>> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend.\n>> \n>> Brett\n>Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated.\n\nYes, sadly, this is true. The primary reason, and the essence of the\ndetails that you are seeking, is that the Grahm-Rudman budget controls\nwere working. In fact, they were working so well that unless the feds\ndid something, they were going to have to start cutting pork. So Bush\nand the Democrats got together in a Budget Summit and replaced\nGrahm-Rudman with the now historic Grand Compromise in which Bush\n"consented" to raise taxes in exchange for certain caps on spending\nincreases.\n\nAs it turned out, the taxes killed the Reagan expansion and the caps\non spending increases were dispelled by Clinton in his first act as\nPresident (so that he could create his own new plan with more tax\nincreases).\n\nThe result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level \nABOVE where it was when Reagan left office.\n\nChew on that awhile.\n',
'From: sschaff@roc.slac.stanford.edu (Stephen F. Schaffner)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.47.1993.14396@athos.rutgers.edu>, \nwhheydt@pbhya.pacbell.com (Wilson Heydt) writes:\n\n|> As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT.... How would\n|> you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the\n|> only extant text was written about *now*? Now adjust for a largely\n|> illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is\n|> done by hand....\n\nConsiderably better than I feel about, say, the Punic Wars, or the \nPeloponnesian War (spelling optional), or almost any other event in \nclassical history. How close to the events do you think the oldest \nextent manuscripts are in those cases?\n\n-- \nSteve Schaffner sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu\n\tThe opinions expressed may be mine, and may not be those of SLAC, \nStanford University, or the DOE.\n',
'From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)\nSubject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?!\nOrganization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 10\n\nThere is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from\nwuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and\nis called "grfwk61t.zip." This program should od everthing\nyou need.\n\n-- \n\nTMC\n(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)\n\n',
"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 24\n\nak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:\n\n\n>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)\n\nThis is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without\nspilling or having someone hold on to them.\n\n>Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)\n\nFax machines, yes. Cellular phones: Why not get a hands-free model?\n\n>Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.\n\nSeemingly unique to American luxury cars. The Big Three haven't yet realized\nthat the 1970s are over.\n\n>Any gold trim.\n\nI agree. Just another display of Yuppie excess.\n\n>Jon Dunn<\n\n\n",
'From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)\nSubject: The OTIS Project (FTP sites for original art and images)\nKeywords: Mr.Owl, how many licks...\nOrganization: University of Nebraska at Omaha\nLines: 227\n\n\n\t-------------------------------------\n\t+ ............The OTIS Project \'93 + \n\t+ "The Operative Term Is STIMULATE" + \n\t-------------------------------------\n\t---this file last updated..4-21-93---\n\n\nWHAT IS OTIS?\n\nOTIS is here for the purpose of distributing original artwork\nand photographs over the network for public perusal, scrutiny, \nand distribution. Digital immortality.\n\nThe basic idea behind "digital immortality" is that computer networks \nare here to stay and that anything interesting you deposit on them\nwill be around near-forever. The GIFs and JPGs of today will be the\nartifacts of a digital future. Perhaps they\'ll be put in different\nformats, perhaps only surviving on backup tapes....but they\'ll be\nthere...and someone will dig them up. \n \nIf that doesn\'t interest you... OTIS also offers a forum for critique\nand exhibition of your works....a virtual art gallery that never closes\nand exists in an information dimension where your submissions will hang\nas wallpaper on thousands of glowing monitors. Suddenly, life is \nbreathed into your work...and by merit of it\'s stimulus, it will \ntravel the globe on pulses of light and electrons.\n \nSpectators are welcome also, feel free to browse the gallery and \nlet the artists know what you think of their efforts. Keep your own\ncopies of the images to look at when you\'ve got the gumption...\nthat\'s what they\'re here for.\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWHERE? \n\nOTIS currently (as of 4/21/93) has two FTP sites. \n \n \t141.214.4.135 (projects/otis), the UWI site\n\t\t\n\tsunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS), the SUNsite \n\t(you can also GOPHER to this site for OTIS as well)\n\nMerely "anonymous FTP" to either site on Internet and change to the\nappropriate directory. Don\'t forget to get busy and use the "bin"\ncommand to make sure you\'re in binary.\n\nOTIS has also been spreading to some dial-up BBS systems around North\nAmerica....the following systems have a substancial supply of\nOTIStuff...\n\tUnderground Cafe (Omaha) (402.339.0179) 2 lines\n\tCyberDen (SanFran?) (415.472.5527) Usenet Waffle-iron\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n \nHOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE?\n \nWhat happens is...you draw a pretty picture or take a lovely \nphoto, get it scanned into an image file, then either FTP-put\nit in the CONTRIB/Incoming directory or use UUENCODE to send it to me\n(email addresses at eof) in email. After the image is received,\nit will be put into the correct directory. Computer originated works\nare also welcome.\n\nOTIS\' directories house two types of image files, GIF and JPG. \nGIF and JPG files require, oddly enough, a GIF or JPG viewer to \nsee. These viewers are available for all types of computers at \nmost large FTP sites around Internet. JPG viewers are a bit\ntougher to find. If you can\'t find one, but do have a GIF viewer, \nyou can obtain a JPG-to-GIF conversion program which will change \nJPG files to a standard GIF format. \n\nOTIS also accepts animation files. \n\nWhen you submit image files, please send me email at the same time\nstating information about what you uploaded and whether it is to be\nused (in publications or other projects) or if it is merely for people\nto view. Also, include some biographical information on yourself, we\'ll\nbe having info-files on each contributing artist and their works. You \ncan also just upload a text-file of info about yourself (instead of \nemailing).\n\nIf you have pictures, but no scanner, there is hope. Merely send\ncopies to:\n\nThe OTIS Project\nc/o Ed Stastny\nPO BX 241113\nOmaha, NE 68124-1113\n\nI will either scan them myself or get them to someone who will \nscan them. Include an ample SASE if you want your stuff back. \nAlso include information on each image, preferably a 1-3 line \ndescription of the image that we can include in the infofile in the\ndirectory where it\'s finally put. If you have preferences as to what\nthe images are to be named, include those as well. \n \nConversely, if you have a scanner and would like to help out, please\ncontact me and we\'ll arrange things.\n\nIf you want to submit your works by disk, peachy. Merely send a 3.5"\ndisk to the above address (Omaha) and a SASE if you want your disk back.\nThis is good for people who don\'t have direct access to encoders or FTP,\nbut do have access to a scanner. We accept disks in either Mac or IBM\ncompatible format. If possible, please submit image files as GIF or\nJPG. If you can\'t...we can convert from most formats...we\'d just rather\nnot have to.\n\nAt senders request, we can also fill disks with as much OTIS as they\ncan stand. Even if you don\'t have stuff to contribute, you can send\na blank disk and an SASE (or $2.50 for disk, postage and packing) to \nget a slab-o-OTIS.\n\nAs of 04/21/93, we\'re at about 18 megabytes of files, and growing. \nEmail me for current archive size and directory.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDISTRIBUTION?\n\nThe images distributed by the OTIS project may be distributed freely \non the condition that the original filename is kept and that it is\nnot altered in any way (save to convert from one image format to\nanother). In fact, we encourage files to be distributed to local \nbulletin boards and such. If you could, please transport the\nappropriate text files along with the images. \n \nIt would also be nice if you\'d send me a note when you did post images\nfrom OTIS to your local bbs. I just want to keep track of them so\nparticipants can have some idea how widespread their stuff is.\n\nIt\'s the purpose of OTIS to get these images spread out as much as\npossible. If you have the time, please upload a few to your favorite\nBBS system....or even just post this "info-file" there. It would be\nkeen of you.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nUSE?\n\nIf you want to use any of the works you find on the OTIS directory,\nyou\'ll have to check to see if permission has been granted and the \nstipulations of the permission (such as free copy of publication, or\nfull address credit). You will either find this in the ".rm" file for \nthe image or series of images...or in the "Artists" directory under the \nArtists name. If permission isn\'t explicitly given, then you\'ll have \nto contact the artist to ask for it. If no info is available, email\nme (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu), and I\'ll get in contact with the artist for \nyou, or give you their contact information.\n \nWhen you DO use permitted work, it\'s always courteous to let the artist\nknow about it, perhaps even send them a free copy or some such\ncompensation for their files.\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nNAMING IMAGES?\n\nPlease keep the names of your files in "dos" format. That means, keep\nthe filename (before .jpg or .gif) to eight characters or less. The way\nI usually do it is to use the initials of the artist, plus a three or\nfour digit "code" for the series of images, plus the series number.\nThus, Leonardo DeVinci\'s fifth mechanical drawing would be something\nlike:\n \n\tldmek5.gif OR ldmek5.jpg OR ldmech5.gif ETC\n\nKeeping the names under 8 characters assures that the filename will\nremain intact on all systems. \n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------- \n\nCREATING IMAGE FILES?\n\nWhen creating image files, be sure to at least include your name\nsomewhere on or below the picture. This gives people a reference in\ncase they\'d like to contact you. You may also want to include a title,\naddress or other information you\'d like people to know.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nHMMM?!\n\nThat\'s about it for now. More "guidelines" will be added as needed.\nYour input is expected.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project has no connection to the Church of OTIS \n \t (a sumerian deity) or it\'s followers, be they pope, priest,\n\t or ezine administrator. We do take sacrifices and donations\n\t however.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project is here for the distribution of original \n \t image files. The files will go to the public at large. \n\t It\'s possible, as with any form of mass-media, that someone\n\t could unscrupulously use your images for financial gain. \n \t Unless you\'ve given permission for that, it\'s illegal. OTIS\n\t takes no responsibility for this. In simple terms, all rights\n\t revert to the author/artist. To leave an image on OTIS is to \n\t give permission for it to be viewed, copied and distributed \n\t electronically. If you don\'t want your images distributed \n\t all-over, don\'t upload them. To leave an image on OTIS is\n\t NOT giving permission to have it used in any publication or\n\t broadcast that incurs profit (this includes, but is not \n\t limited to, magazines, newsletters, clip-art software, \n\t screen-printed clothing, etc). You must give specific\n\t permission for this sort of usage. \n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nRemember, the operative term is "stimulate". If you know of people\nthat\'d be interested in this sort of thing...get them involved...kick\'m\nin the booty....offer them free food...whatever...\n\n....e (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu)\n (ed@sunsite.unc.edu)\n\n--\nEd Stastny | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts \nPO BX 241113\t | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS)\nOmaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis)\n---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu\n',
'From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nArticle-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.200429.21424\nOrganization: Western Washington University\n \n The 250 ninja and XL 250 got ridden all winter long. I always wave. I\nLines: 13\n\nam amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly\nbaby ninja. Let\'s keep up the good attitudes. Brock Yates said in this\nmonths Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather\nwe all rode busses). We bikers should be too.\n\nIt\'s a freedom that we all wanna know\nand it\'s an obsession to some\nto keep the world in your rearview mirror\nwhile you try to run down the sun\n\n"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart\nMarty O.\n87 250 ninja\n73 XL 250 Motosport\n',
'From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)\nSubject: Re: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY\nOrganization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7\nIn-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu\'s message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400\nNntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.182327.3420@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:\n\t[Prof. Denning\'s description of SkipJack mostly omitted]\n\n\tCHIP STRUCTURE\n\tThe Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption\n\talgorithm called "Skipjack." The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared\n\twith 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16\n\tfor the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. Throughput is\n\t16 Mbits a second. [...]\n\n\tF, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips\n\tN, a 30-bit serial number\n\tU, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted\n\t\t with the chip\n\tThe key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then\n\tfed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values:\n\n \t E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and \n\t E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block. \n\nThree questions:\n1) It looks like each 64 bits of input gives you 4*64 bits of output:\n\t\tE[M;K] = 64 bits\n\t\tE[K;U] = E[ 80 bits ] = 128 bits\n\t\tE[ E[K;U], N ; F ] = E[ 128 + 30 bits ] = 192 bits\n Do you really need to transmit all 256 bits each time,\n or do you only transmit the 192 bits of wiretap block at the beginning? \n All 256 would be really obnoxious for bandwidth-limited applications\n like cellular phones (or even regular phones over \n\n2) how do the 4 DES modes interact with the two-part output?\n Do the various feedback modes only apply to the message block,\n or also to the wiretap block? Or, if the wiretap block is only\n transmitted at the beginning, does it get incorporated into\n everything through feedback modes, but not during ECB mode?\n\n3) Does the Clipper Chip check the wiretap block itself?\n Does the block have to be present at all?\n Since the receiving chip doesn\'t know the transmitter\'s U,\n it presumably can\'t check the validity of E[K;U], so it\'s \n limited to checking the *form* of the wiretap block,\n and maybe checking the serial number for reasonableness\n (unless there\'s some sort of back-door structure that lets\n it recognize a valid E[K;U].)\n \n In that case, can you replace the wiretap block with a DIFFERENT\n wiretap block, presumably an old valid one to avoid attracting attention?\n (The chip won\'t do it, so you postprocess the output.)\n Regular people can do one with their own serial number and a dummy key;\n paranoid people can use someone else\'s serial number.\n\n On the other hand, if I could think of that solution so easily,\n presumably the NSA could too - have they done something to block it,\n like use message encryption that\'s really E[M; K,U,N] ?\n\n\n\tThanks!\n--\n#\t\t\t\tPray for peace; Bill\n# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ\n#\t No, I\'m *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....\n# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461\n',
"From: sdr@llnl.gov (Dakota)\nSubject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............\nOrganization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eet1477-10780-t1477r1104.llnl.gov\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> \npk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:\n> My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she \nhas no\n> medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.\n> \n> My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least \nmitigate\n> their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to \nliterature,\n> etc...)\n> \n> Thank you,\n> \n> Dave Carvell\n> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu\n\nFirst, let me offer you my condolences. I've had kidney stones 4 times \nand I know the pain she is going through. First, it is best that she see \na doctor. However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the\nonly thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a\nurinary tract infection. The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones\nare extremely painful. My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it\nout. However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun. Anyway, if she\nabsolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps\nan over the counter sleeping pill. But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor.\nKidney stones are not something to fool around with. She should be x-rayed \nto make sure there is not a serious problem.\n\nSteve\n",
'From: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PIEMAN)\nSubject: MacPlus Home brew Acceler question??\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nLines: 16\n\nha... all this talk about changing the clock speed of the q700 makes me ask??\n if i replaced the 8mhz 68000 in my plus with a 16mhz 68000 with a 16mhz\nclock occilater of its own( not shared by the rest of the mac... just the new\n16mhz68000) would my mac work..... and if it would work.. would you think there\nwhere be any problems with sound, vidio,scsi........\n\nit seems like a simple solution to keepa dead slow mechine a\nlive a little longer..\n Oh if this would not work any idears on how to make it work???\n\t\tthanks\n\t\t\n\t\t alex\n\nARP0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\n\n\n',
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: Professors Whining About Pay\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1qf2kqINNrkd@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:\n> In article <15320@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n> |>In article <1q4k3bINNe6k@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:\n> |>> In article <15307@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# |## |#2. Professors get summers off; industry employees don\'t.\n# |## \n# |## What professor gets the summer off ? The primary purpose of a professor\n# |## at a university is to publish. Teaching is secondary. The summer\n# |## is when professors are able to do the research required for their\n# |## papers.\n# |#\n# |#I\'m told by my advisor that only at some universities is publishing\n# |#the primary emphasis; many professors in the Cal State University\n# |#system don\'t publish at all. Those that prefer teaching are under\n# |#no pressure to publish.\n# |#\n# \n# When discussing and issue, it helps that all participants use the same\n# definitions, although this rarely occurs on Usenet.\n# \n# When I use the term "university", I think of an organization that has\n# a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD program. I believe that Cal State schools\n# do not. I call them colleges. UC schools are universities. At a univeristy\n# the number one goal is to publish.\n\nCal State University system offers bachlors and masters degrees. The\nPh.D. is not offered, because of opposition from UC.\n\n# At the Cal State schools, do the professors you speak of have PhDs? At\n\nNearly all the professors have PhDs. I haven\'t had a professor who didn\'t,\nthough my wife has had a couple of professors with just an M.A. A friend\nhad an instructor who didn\'t have a degree at all, but because he had\nbeen Minister of Culture for the Black Panthers, he was teaching anyway.\nHe had a bad habit of usually not showing up to teach the class, and\nfinally quit in disgust at the racism of a university that expected him\nto show up to teach.\n\n# a university you have professors with PhDs and then Teaching Assistants (TAs).\n# TAs were the slave labor, graduate students who got their tuition paid, and\n# a few hundred a month for living expenses in exchange for doing all the grunt\n# work. The professors taught the lectures, with 100 to 500 students per class,\n# then the TAs taught the labs, with 20 to 30 per class.\n# \n# Tim Fogarty (FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV)\n\nAt Sonoma State University, typical class size is 20 to 30 per class.\nTeaching is definitely more the goal, and sometimes, it actually happens.\nThe best professors at Sonoma State U. are equivalent to the best \nprofessors I had at UCLA and USC.\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)\nSubject: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor)\nOrganization: MIT Media Laboratory\nLines: 40\n\nI'm trying to write some code that lets me draw lines and do rubber-band\nboxes in Motif/X. I'm running on an 8-bit display for which I've created a\ncolormap and am using almost all of the colors. I want to draw the lines\nin a drawing area widget -- a widget in which I'm displaying a bitmap using\nXPutImage(). If doesn't matter if the lines I draw interactively stay\naround when the window is refreshed.\n\nCurrently, to draw interactively, I begin with:\n\n /* drawIndex is an colortable index I reserve for the Foreground */\n /* my_default_bg_color is the color index for the background of my image */\n palette_colors[drawIndex].red = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].red;\n palette_colors[drawIndex].green = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].green;\n palette_colors[drawIndex].blue = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].blue;\n XStoreColors( myDisplay, my_cmap, &palette_colors[DrawIndex], 1);\n XFlush( myDisplay);\n\n XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor);\n XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex);\n\nThen to draw I do:\n\n XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2);\n XFlush( myDisplay);\n\nAnd when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do:\n\n XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy);\n\n\nWhat I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of\nwhatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If\nthe lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are\nover a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor\nfunction seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and\nredraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image).\n\nAny suggestions what I'm doing wrong?\n\ndavid\n",
'From: ejalbert@husc3.harvard.edu\nSubject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker\nOrganization: Harvard University Science Center\nLines: 113\n\nIn article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu>, db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:\n>>\t\t- Mike Walker \n>> \n>>[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human,\n>>that I\'m not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human. I\n>>think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic\n>>definition of humanity. It\'s a consequence of the fall. Jesus is\n>>human, but not a fallen human. --clh]\n> \nI differ with our moderator on this. I thought the whole idea of God coming\ndown to earth to live as one of us "subject to sin and death" (as one of\nthe consecration prayers in the Book of Common Prayer (1979) puts it) was\nthat Jesus was tempted, but did not succumb. If sin is not part of the\nbasic definition of humanity, then Jesus "fully human" (Nicea) would not\nbe "subject to sin", but then the Resurrection loses some of its meaning,\nbecause we encounter our humanity most powerfully when we sin. To distinguish\nbetween "human" and "fallen human" makes Jesus less like one of us at the\ntime we need him most.\n\n> [These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different\n> things it\'s often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously\n> different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I\n> don\'t think there\'s any question that there is a problem with\n> Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form\n> without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I\'d like to be\n> a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions\n> suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from\n> orthodoxy as many had thought. Nestorius was an extreme\n> representative of one of the two major schools of thought. More\n> moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of\n> Mopsuestia. My impression is that the modern monophysite groups\n> inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius\' version, and that\n> some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as\n> orthodox. --clh]\n\nFirst, the Monophysites inherited none of Nestorius\'s version -- they \nwere on the opposite end of the spectrum from him. Second, the historical\nrecord suggests that the positions attributed to Nestorius were not as\nextreme as his (successful) opponents (who wrote the conventional history)\nclaimed. Mainly Nestorius opposed the term Theotokos for Mary, arguing\n(I think correctly) that a human could not be called Mother of God. I mean,\nin the Athanasian Creed we talk about the Son "uncreate" -- surely even \nArians would concede that Jesus existed long before Mary. Anyway, Nestorius\'s\nopponents claimed that by saying Mary was not Theotokos, that he claimed\nthat she only gave birth to the human nature of Jesus, which would require\ntwo seperate and distinct natures. The argument fails though, because\nMary simply gave birth to Jesus, who preexisted her either divinely,\nif you accept "Nestorianism" as commonly defined, or both natures intertwined,\na la Chalcedon.\n\nSecond, I am not sure that "Nestorianism" is not a better alternative than\nthe orthodox view. After all, I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation\nthat Jesus\'s human nature was in heaven; likewise post-Ascension. I think\nrather that God came to earth and took our nature upon him. It was a seperate\nnature, capable of being tempted as in Gethsemane (since I believe the divine\nnature could never be tempted) but in its moments of weakness the divine nature\nprevailed.\n\nComments on the above warmly appreciated.\n\nJason Albert\n\n[There may be differences in what we mean by "subject to sin". The\noriginal complaint was from someone who didn\'t see how we could call\nJesus fully human, because he didn\'t sin. I completely agree that\nJesus was subject to temptation. I simply object to the idea that by\nnot succumbing, he is thereby not fully human. I believe that you do\nnot have to sin in order to be human.\n\nI again apologize for confusing Nestorianism and monophysitism. I\nagree with you, and have said elsewhere, that there\'s reason to think\nthat not everyone who is associated with heretical positions was in\nfact heretical. There are scholars who maintain that Nestorius was\nnot Nestorian. I have to confess that the first time I read some of\nthe correspondence between Nestorius and his opponents, I thought he\ngot the better of them.\n\nHowever, most scholars do believe that the work that eventually led to\nChalcedon was an advance, and that Nestorius was at the very least\n"rash and dogmatic" (as the editor of "The Christological Controversy"\nrefers to him) in rejecting all approaches other than his own. As\nregular Usenet readers know, narrowness can be just as much an\nimpediment as being wrong. Furthermore, he did say some things that I\nthink are problematical. He responds to a rather mild letter from\nCyril with a flame worthy of Usenet. In it he says "To attribute also\nto [the Logos], in the name of [the incarnation] the characteristics\nof the flesh that has been conjoined with him ... is, my brother,\neither the work of a mind which truly errs in the fashion of the\nGreeks or that of a mind diseased with the insane heresy of Arius and\nApollinaris and the others. Those who are thus carried away with the\nidea of this association are bound, because of it, to make the divine\nLogos have a part in being fed with milk and participate to some\ndegree in growh and stand in need of angelic assistance because of his\nfearfulness ... These things are taken falsely when they are put off\non the deity and they become the occasion of just condemnation for us\nwho perpetrate the falsehood."\n\nIt\'s all well and good to maintain a proper distinction between\nhumanity and divinity. But the whole concept of incarnation is based\non exactly the idea that the divine Logos does in fact have "to some\ndegree" a part in being born, growing up, and dying. Of course it\nmust be understood that there\'s a certain indirectness in the Logos\'\nparticipation in these things. But there must be some sort of\nidentification between the divine and human, or we don\'t have an\nincarnation at all. Nestorius seemed to think in black and white\nterms, and missed the sorts of nuances one needs to deal with this\narea.\n\nYou say "I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus\'s\nhuman nature was in heaven." I don\'t think that\'s required by\northodox doctrine. It\'s the divine Logos that is eternal.\n\n--clh]\n',
"From: detroch@imec.be (Stefan De Troch)\nSubject: virtual mwm ? \nNntp-Posting-Host: nemesis\nReply-To: detroch@imec.be\nOrganization: IMEC, Kapeldreef 75 3001 Leuven Belgium\nLines: 12\n\n\n-- \nHi netland,\n\nI thought that I once read about the existance of a virtual mwm like vtwm.\nOn the usual ftp sites (gatakeeper.dec.com, export.lcs.mit.edu) I can't find\nany trace of this program. Could anybody give me a hint where to find this\nprogram or confirm/deny the existance of this program.\n\nRegards,\n\n Stefan\n",
"From: weber@sipi.usc.edu (Allan G. Weber)\nSubject: Need help with Mitsubishi P78U image printer\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 26\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sipi.usc.edu\n\nOur group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some\nhelp with it. We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in\naddition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray\nlevel images. However, the manual that came with it only describes how to\nformat the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images. After some initial\nproblems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a\nparallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4\nbit/pixel images just fine. I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the\n256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video\nsignal inputs. This was not mentioned in the sales literature. However they\ndid say the P78U can do 6 bit/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but\nthey didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they\nwould call Japan, etc.\n\nFrankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit/pixel images\nfrom the video source, it can't store 8 bits/pixel in the memory. It's not\nlike memory is that expensive any more. If anybody has any information on\ngetting 6 bit/pixel (or even 8 bit/pixel) images out of this thing, I would\ngreatly appreciate your sending it to me.\n\nThanks.\n\nAllan Weber\nSignal & Image Processing Institute\nUniversity of Southern California\nweber@sipi.usc.edu\n",
"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n>\n>Greetings!\n> \n> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't\n> know the number of the line. And I don't want\n> to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n>\n> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can\n> use to find out the number to the line?\n\n\nCall a friend long distance, collect. Ask to speak with yourself. When\nthe operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave\nyour number. She'll read it out in the clear.\n--scott\n",
"From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)\nSubject: HDF readers/viewers\nOrganization: Australian National University, Canberra\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35\nOriginator: markus@octavia\n\n\n\nG'day all,\n\nCan anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/\ndisplay HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA \nand it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage\napproaches and minimalist documentation :-)\n\nPart of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and\ncrop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from\nwhich I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped\npart into another format for viewing/animation.\n\nOtherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S/W\nfor HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping/etc. This is for\nSuns with SunOS 4.1.2.\n\nAny help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly !\n\nCheers,\n\tMarkus\n\n-- \nMarkus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility\nemail = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au\nAustralian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.\n[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]\n-- \nMarkus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility\nemail = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au\nAustralian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.\n[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]\n",
'Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nFrom: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com\nLines: 33\n\nIn <strnlghtC5uIJ4.76t@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n\n>In article <ELEE9SF.93Apr21095141@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU>\n>elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes:\n\n>>\n>>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an "open system" from\n>>elsewhere?\n\n>Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was\n>more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like\n>to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my\n>services can\'t read my traffic. I\'d like to be sure that competitive bid\n>information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments\n>which would aid them.\n\n>I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.\n>The President and many other senior government officials have made it very\n>clear that they share these motivations. Thus I\'d trust them on the\n>"coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their\n>professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.\n\n>David\n>-- \n>David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n> our information, errors and omissions excepted. \n\nNothing but errors and omissions here!\n\n--\nArthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea\n216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)\nMy opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.\n',
'From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok)\nSubject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.114028.17633@bernina.ethz.ch>, queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes:\n> Hi netlanders,\n> \n> Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX \n> platform?\n> \n> \n> Thanks in advance\n> \n> \n> Ron.\n\n-- \n\nTry MetaCard - a HyperCard-like programming environment on X.\n\n\nChun Hong\n',
'From: cobra@ravel.udel.edu (KING COBRA)\nSubject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\n>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\n>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do\n>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\n>captain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see\n>for yourselves.\n\n Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think\n all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams\n before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had\n expected.\n\n COBRA\n\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n** ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ** **\n** / / / /___/ /___/ /___/ ** Sex is not the answer, sex is the **\n** /___ /___/ /___/ / \\_ / / ** question. Yes is the answer. **\n** ** **\n** E-mail: cobra@chopin.udel.edu ** **\n** ** **\n*******************************************************************************\n\n',
'From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nReply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 22\n\nIn a previous article, mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu) says:\n\n>\n>Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end,\n>aren\'t we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have\n>the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as\n>false?\n>\n\nIf I don\'t think my belief is right and everyone else\'s belief is wrong,\nthen I don\'t have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does\nthe authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself\nauthoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find\nauthority for my belief in the legitimacy of the authority. In short, \nthe mind has to start somewhere. (By the way, the majority of Christians,\ni.e. Catholics, believe in the authority of the Church, and derive the\nauthority of the Bible from its acceptance by the Church.)\n-- \n==============================================================================\nMark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but \naa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis\n==============================================================================\n',
'From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 51\nIn-Reply-To: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu\'s message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:32:04 GMT\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\n\nIn <C5L1tG.K5q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu writes:\n\n> If some society came up with a good reason for why rape and murder are ok I \n> would be consistent with my position and hold that it was still wrong. My \n> basis of morality is not on societal norms, or on current legalities. My\n> basis is, surprise surprise, on both the Bible and on inherent moral\n> abhorrences,\n\n AH! But what, exactly, is "inherently abhorrent" and WHY is it so?\nWhat you\'re saying is, in effect, "I think some things are repulsive,\nand I know a whole bunch of other people who agree with me, so they\nshould be deemed absolutely immoral now and forever, period".\n\n Which in and of itself is nice enough; to some extent I agree with\nyou. But I do _not_ agree that things are \'inherently\' or \'absolutely\'\nimmoral; they are labeled \'immoral\' each for its own good reason, and if\nthe reason can even theoretically change, then so can the label.\n\n[...]\n> Yes, that\'s vague, and the only way I know off the top of my head to\n> defend it is to say that all humans are similarly made. Yes, that falls\n> into the trap of creation,\n\n No it doesn\'t. Humans are to some extent similar, because we all\nbelong to the same species; that that species has evolved is another\nstory altogether. To a certain extent evolution can even lend credence\nto moral absolutism (of a flavour).\n\n[...]\n> My arguments are that it is better to exhibit trust, goodness, \n> love, respect, courage, and honesty in any society rather than deceipt,\n> hatred, disrespect, "cowardness", and dishonesty.\n\n You\'re saying morality is what\'ll keep society alive and kicking.\nIt is, I think, up to a point; but societies are not all alike, and\nneither are their moralities.\n\n> No, I haven\'t been everywhere and \n> seen everyone, but, according to my thesis, I don\'t have to, since I hold that\n> we were all created similarly.\n\n Similar != identical.\n\n> If that makes an unfalsifiable thesis, just say\n> so, and I\'ll both work out what I can and punt to fellow theists.\n\n No, it\'s falsifiable through finding someoe who was "created\ndifferent", whatever that might be in the "real" world.\n\n-- \n Disclaimer? "It\'s great to be young and insane!"\n',
'From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com\nSubject: Re: Need Info on DSP project\nNf-ID: #R:ee.ualberta.ca:735344986:trsvax:288200082:000:164\nNf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls Apr 21 09:31:00 1993\nLines: 6\n\n\nMotorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It\ncould be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K\ndevelopment system.\n\n\n',
'From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: National Association for the Disorganized\nLines: 35\n\nmhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) writes:\n\n>I\'d like to share my thoughts on this topic of "arrogance of\n>Christians" and look forward to any responses. In my\n>encounters with Christians, I find myself dismayed by their\n>belief that their faith is total truth. According to them,\n>their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of\n>God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance\n>makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own\n>hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way.\n>Their way is the \'truth.\'\n\n>But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe\n>a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason,\n>but it seems to me a choice.\n\n >[I\'m sort of mystified about how a Christian might respond to this.]\n\n I\'ll start with a parable.\n \n A Christian woman hires a carpenter to build her a birdhouse. When he comes\nover, they begin talking about religion. "So you believe that you understand\nGod?" he asks. "Yes, I do," she replies. "Then have him build you the \nbirdhouse."\n\n I don\'t think that Melinda is complaining about the basis of Christian \nbelief. However, there is a tendency among Christians to say, "I have all the \nanswers because God gave them to me." This is simply not the case.\n I believe that the Bible is inerrant. However, our HUMAN interpretations of\nthe Bible are necessarily in error, because we are human and imperfect. We\nhave to remember that we ALL make mistakes in faith, and that because we are\nhuman we have an imperfect understanding of the mind and will of God. To\nclaim, as so many people do, that the existence of the Bible allows us to\ndetermine the answers to all questions is to claim that we humans can fully\nunderstand God\'s will. This is hubris.\n',
'From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: National Association for the Disorganized\nLines: 20\n\ncobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:\n\n>If I talk with an atheist and tell him the New Testament is an historically \n>reliable document, what reasons would I give him?\n\n I have found that this isn\'t a very effective argument. Most atheists are\nperfectly willing to acknowledge the existence and ministry of Jesus--but are\nquite capable of rationalizing the miracles and the resurrection into \nmisunderstandings, hoaxes, or simple fabrications. They can always make an\nanalogy with the _Iliad_, a book that tells the story of the historical Trojan\nWar, but also talks about gods and goddesses and their conversations.\n I don\'t think it\'s possible to convince atheists of the validity of \nChristianity through argument. We have to help foster faith and an\nunderstanding of God. I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here who\nwere led to Christianity by argument?\n\nAlan Terlep\t\t\t\t "Incestuous vituperousness"\nOakland University, Rochester, MI\t\t\t\natterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu\t\t\t\t --Melissa Eggertsen\nRushing in where angels fear to tread.\t\t\n',
'From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan)\nSubject: Game Score Report\nOrganization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto\nLines: 12\n\nJust out of curiosity, what happened to the weekly AL and NL Game\nScore Reports? I used to enjoy reading them throughout the summer\nfor the last two years.\n\nInquisitively yours,\n\nJoel\n-- \nJoel Chan <joel@math.toronto.edu>, Dept. of Mathematics, University of Toronto\nToronto Blue Jays -- 1992 World Series Champs!\n"History: Those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it. Math, too."\n\t\t\t\t\t- From the comic strip "Betty"\n',
"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)\nSubject: 17 Apr 93 God's Promise in Luke 11:28\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 8\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\n\tBut he said,\n\tYea rather,\n\tblessed are they\n\tthat hear the word of God,\n\tand keep it.\n\n\tLuke 11:28\n",
"From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)\nSubject: Re: Quick question\nKeywords: Removing panels.\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:\n> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside\n>on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want\n>to access its pins.\n>\n\nThere is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW\ngroup must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I\nwould like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of\nHonda. Thank you.\n\n-andy\n",
'From: jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson)\nSubject: Re: Point within a polygon\nKeywords: point, polygon\nOrganization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping\nLines: 129\n\nscrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:\n\n>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a \n>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing\n>information on the subject ?\n\nWell, it\'s been a while since this was discussed so i take the liberty of\nreprinting (without permission, so sue me) Eric Haines reprint of the very\ninteresting discussion of this topic...\n\n /Jonas\n\n O / \\ O\n------------------------- X snip snip X ------------------------------\n O \\ / O\n\n"Give a man a fish, and he\'ll eat one day.\nGive a man a fishing rod, and he\'ll laze around fishing and never do anything."\n\nWith that in mind, I reprint (without permission, so sue me) relevant\ninformation posted some years ago on this very problem. Note the early use of\nPostScript technology, predating many of this year\'s papers listed in the\nApril 1st SIGGRAPH Program Announcement posted here a few days ago.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\nIntersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??),\n\tby Dave Baraff, Tom Duff\n\n\tFrom: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu\n\tNewsgroups: comp.graphics\n\tKeywords: P, NP, Jordan curve separation, Ursyhon Metrization Theorem\n\tOrganization: Program of Computer Graphics\n\nIn article [...] ncsmith@ndsuvax.UUCP (Timothy Lyle Smith) writes:\n>\n> I need to find a formula/algorithm to determine if a line intersects\n> a polygon. I would prefer a method that would do this in as little\n> time as possible. I need this for use in a forward raytracing\n> program.\n\nI think that this is a very difficult problem. To start with, lines and\npolygons are semi-algebraic sets which both contain uncountable number of\npoints. Here are a few off-the-cuff ideas.\n\nFirst, we need to check if the line and the polygon are separated. Now, the\nJordan curve separation theorem says that the polygon divides the plane into\nexactly two open (and thus non-compact) regions. Thus, the line lies\ncompletely inside the polygon, the line lies completely outside the polygon,\nor possibly (but this will rarely happen) the line intersects the polyon.\n\nNow, the phrasing of this question says "if a line intersects a polygon", so\nthis is a decision problem. One possibility (the decision model approach) is\nto reduce the question to some other (well known) problem Q, and then try to\nsolve Q. An answer to Q gives an answer to the original decision problem.\n\nIn recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a\nnew language called PostScript. (See "PostScript Language", by Adobe Systems\nIncorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985).\n\nSo, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that\ndraws the line L and the polygon P, and then "outputs" the answer. By\n"output", we mean the program executes a command called "showpage", which\nactually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick\nexamination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus\nthe original problem.\n\nThere are two small problems with this approach. \n\n\t(1) There is an infinite number of ways to encode L and P into the\n\treduced problem Q. So, we will be forced to invoke the Axiom of\n\tChoice (or equivalently, Zorn\'s Lemma). But the use of the Axiom of\n\tChoice is not regarded in a very serious light these days.\n\n\t(2) More importantly, the question arises as to whether or not the\n\tPostScript program Q will actually output a piece of paper; or in\n\tother words, will it halt?\n\n\tNow, PostScript is expressive enough to encode everything that a\n\tTuring Machine might do; thus the halting problem (for PostScript) is\n\tundecidable. It is quite possible that the original problem will turn\n\tout to be undecidable.\n\n\nI won\'t even begin to go into other difficulties, such as aliasing, finite\nprecision and running out of ink, paper or both.\n\nA couple of references might be:\n\n1. Principia Mathematica. Newton, I. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge,\n England. (Sorry, I don\'t have an ISBN# for this).\n\n2. An Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation. Hopcroft, J\n and Ulman, J.\n\n3. The C Programming Language. Kernighan, B and Ritchie, D.\n\n4. A Tale of Two Cities. Dickens, C.\n\n--------\n\nFrom: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff)\nSummary: Overkill.\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ\n\nThe situation is not nearly as bleak as Baraff suggests (he should know\nbetter, he\'s hung around The Labs for long enough). By the well known\nDobbin-Dullman reduction (see J. Dullman & D. Dobbin, J. Comp. Obfusc.\n37,ii: pp. 33-947, lemma 17(a)) line-polygon intersection can be reduced to\nHamiltonian Circuit, without(!) the use of Grobner bases, so LPI (to coin an\nacronym) is probably only NP-complete. Besides, Turing-completeness will no\nlonger be a problem once our Cray-3 is delivered, since it will be able to\ncomplete an infinite loop in 4 milliseconds (with scatter-gather.)\n\n--------\n\nFrom: deb@svax.cs.cornell.edu (David Baraff)\n\nWell, sure its no worse than NP-complete, but that\'s ONLY if you restrict\nyourself to the case where the line satisfies a Lipschitz condition on its\nsecond derivative. (I think there\'s an \'89 SIGGRAPH paper from Caltech that\ndeals with this).\n\n--\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n J o n a s Y n g v e s s o n email: jonas-y@isy.liu.se\nDept. of Electrical Engineering\t voice: +46-(0)13-282162 \nUniversity of Linkoping, Sweden fax : +46-(0)13-139282\n',
'From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nReply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY\nLines: 57\n\nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>It sure does. And it all depends on the definition that you use for "better".\n>Yours is based on what could have been and mine is based on what really\n>happened.\n\nWell, actually, most of ours is based on what really happened and yours is\nbased on some fantasy of how it happened. But that\'s OK, I understand you\nhave a hockey background. Stats like "plus/minus" make RBI look good.\n\n>>Is it Viola\'s fault that Boston had no offense? Is it *because* of Morris that\n>>the Blue Jays had such a strong offense? Don\'t tell me that Morris has this\n>>magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs.\n>This is the perfect example of your problem. You are isolating Viola\'s\n>contribution from the rest of the team\'s efforts. You can only do\n>this if you can say for sure what the team would have done without \n>Viola. Only then can you compare. But you cannot know how the team\n>would have done without Viola. Your analysis is fallacious.\n\nOK, how about a straigh answer, then. Here\'s a very simele question to which\nI\'m sure a fair number of us are very interesed in the answer to. Please\nanswer yes or no, Roger:\n Can a pitcher cause the offensive players on his team to score more runs?\nAL only, please.\n\nFor anyone else following along, it is a well-known and demonstrable fact\nthat a team\'s win-loss record is closely related to the number of runs the\nteam scores and the number the team allows. It\'s not a definite,\nhard-and-fast function, but there is definitely a correlation. In fact, as a\nrule of thumb, if teams A and B both score X runs and team A allows Y runs,\nfor every 10 runs fewer than Y that team B allows, it will win another game.\nSo, for instance, if we look at the 1991 Toronto Blue Jays, we find that\nthey scored 780 runs and allowed 682, of which Morris allowed 114. All other\nthings being equal, if Frank Viola, with his 3.44 ERA had replaced Jack\nMorris for the 240.2 innings Morris threw (plausible, since Viola threw 238\nfor Boston), the "Red Jays" would have allowed about 15 fewer runs, or\nenough for 1-2 more wins. Now, that doesn\'t take into account that Viola\npitched half his innings in Fenway, which is a harder park to pitch in\n(particularly for a lefthander) than Skydome. So, um, Roger. Unless you\nreally do believe that a pitcher can somehow affect the number of runs\nhis team scores, could you enlighten us to the fallacy in this\nanalysis? Clearly, it would be foolhardy to claim that Viola would\nnecessarily have put up a 3.44 if he had been on the Jay last year, but\nthat is not the claim. We look at what the actual performances were and\nevaluate Viola\'s as better than Morris\' in the sense that "had Morris\nperformed as Viola did, his team would have been better off."\n\n>It takes an open mind to really truly understand what is happening out\n>here in the real world guys.\n\nThis is true, but not so open that your brain falls out.\n\n Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\n\nComputer...if you don\'t open that exit hatch this moment I shall zap straight\noff to your major data banks and reprogram you with a very large ax. Got\nthat?\n\t- Zaphod Beeblebrox\n',
'From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nSummary: More on failed governments\nOrganization: Failed Libertarian Opportunities, Inc.\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <18APR199314034390@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>> \n>:It would seem that a society with a "failed" government would be an ideal\n>:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose\n>:that never seems to occur?...\n>\n>\n>I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant\n>combat isn\'t particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also,\n>they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable\n>society anyway. \n\nAnd the reason that the Soviet Union couldn\'t achieve the ideal of pure\ncommunism was the hostility of surrounding capitalist nations...Uh huh.\nSomehow, this all sounds familiar. Once again, utopian dreams are \nconfronted by the real world...\n\n>\n>Mr. Grinch\n--\nSteve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM \n"One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n',
'From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\nSubject: mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed?\nOrganization: Jack\'s Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures\nLines: 18\n\nI just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable \n(backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put \nthe machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just \nfreeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset \nswitch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error \nmessage of "Co processor not installed". \n\nI know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone \nhave any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix \nit? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That \nprobably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not \nkingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine. \n\nAny Ideas? -- Gene Wright.\n\n--\n gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\n------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------\n',
'From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Atheist\'s views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...") - soc.religion.christian #16242\nReply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.22.1993.28397@athos.rutgers.edu>, trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:\n> norris@athena.mit.edu writes:\n> > For example: why does the universe exist at all? \n> \n> Must there be a "why" to this? I ask because of what you also\n> assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no "why"\n> to His existence. So the question is reversed, "Why can\'t\n> we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to\n> "just exist"? Why must there be a "why" to the universe?"\n\nWhether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal\'s(?) wager.\nIf there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely\nwasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we\ndon\'t search for it, then we have wasted our potentially meaningful lives.\nSuppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another\n5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small\nthat it is scary. So by searching for the "why" along with my friends here\non earth if nothing else we aren\'t so scared.\n\nWhat if you woke up at a party, with no memory, and everyone was discussing\nwho the host might be? There might not be a host, you say. I say let\'s go\nfind him, the party\'s going to be over sometime, maybe he\'ll let us stay.\n\nBecause we recognize our own mortality we have to find the "why".\n\n> ...\n> Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,\n> Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic\n> quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values,\n> thus all must be true...\n\nThis is a good point. But more of a good point for studying religion\nthan ignoring it. Some Christians disagree with me, but it is worthwhile\nto study different religions and philosophies and glean the truth from\nthem. To quote (of course out of context) "Test everything and keep what is\ntrue."\n\nChris Mussack\n',
"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it\nOriginator: rja@mahogany126\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126\nOrganization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!\nDistribution: usa\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:\n> > \n> > In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n> >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for\n> >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.\n> >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)\n> >> \n> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except\n> >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that\n> >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to\n> >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.\n> >> \n> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the\n> >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.\n> > \n> > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening \n> > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that\n> > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.\n> \n> It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?\n\nWho compared Quayle to Gore? Mark said he had never heard of any incident\nin which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before. I mentioned\nanother incident. (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would\nhave heard of the Quayle incident.)\n\nIf I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd.\n\n> I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.\n> dan-quayle! Begone!\n\n-- \nRuss Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect\n------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993\nEX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)\n",
'From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 121\n\ndyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n\n>In article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n>>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.\n>>There\'s a lot of evidence, it just hasn\'t been adequately gathered and\n>>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics\n>>who quiver everytime the word \'anecdote\' or \'empirical\' is used.\n\n>Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again.\n\n>>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book "Sinus Survival", always gives,\n\n>Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!\n\n>>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his\n>>new patients IF they\'ve been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times\n>>in the last two years. He\'s kept a record of the results, and for over \n>>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief\n>>of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his\n>>program.\n\n>Yeah, I\'ll bet. Tomorrow, the world.\n\n>Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.\n\n>>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic\n>>symptoms outlined in \'The Yeast Connection\' (I agree it is a poorly \n>>written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which\n>>I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage\n>>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can\n>>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I\'m also\n>>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.\n\n>I\'m sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who\n>responds to "miracle cures."\n\n>>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to\n>>molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure out that\n>>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a\n>>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you\n>>would have perceptible symptoms.\n\n>Yeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.\n>Snort.\n\n>>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various\n>>sorts, and again, you don\'t have to be a rocket scientist to realize that\n>>such toxins can cause problems in some people.\n\n>Yeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".\n\n>>Of course, the $60,000\n>>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was\n>>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the\n>>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),\n\n>Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass.\n>More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome.\n\n>>can develop excessive yeast\n>>colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since\n>>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to\n>>take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively\n>>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there\'s\n>>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.\n\n>You know, it\'s a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused\n>in this way. It\'s ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.\n>The trouble is that it isn\'t toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.\n\n>>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae\n>>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You\'ll find\n>>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.\n\n>The only good thing about nystatin is that it\'s (relatively) cheap\n>and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any\n>systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without\n>any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use\n>IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve\n>the "yeast" problem once and for all.\n\n>>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep\n>>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly\n>>to the party line are academics who haven\'t been in the trenches long enough\n>>actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my\n>>face that there is no evidence of the \'yeast connection\', I cannot guarantee\n>>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as\n>>far as I am concerned.\n\n>Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating\n>your symptoms.\n\n>Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I\'d hate\n>to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.\n\n>Steve Dyer\n\nDyer, you\'re rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It\'s\noften practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of\nnon-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal\nevidence given by the patient. It\'s an educated guess, by a trained person,\nbut it\'s still no more than a guess.\nIt\'s cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those\npeople who don\'t respond.\n\nThere are diseases that haven\'t been described yet and the root cause of many\ndiseases now described aren\'t known. (Read a book on gastroenterology\nsometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After scientific methods have\nrun out then it\'s the patient\'s freedom of choice to try any experimental\nmethod they choose. And it\'s well recognized by many doctors that medicine\ndoesn\'t have all the answers.\n\nThis person said that they had relief by taking the medicine. Maybe it\'s a\nmiracle cure, maybe it\'s valid. How do you know? \n\nYou might argue with the reasoning, the conclusions. But your disparaging\nattack is unwarranted. Why don\'t you present an convincing argument for you\nr beliefs, instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack.\n\n-Jackie-\n \n',
'From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle)\nSubject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd.\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: boyle@bbsls23.bnr\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bbsls23.bnr.co.uk\n\n> And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of\n> a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating\n> life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn\'t is it has\n> a 120 MPH speedo...\n> What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized\n> by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what?\n\n740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I\nbelieve the Beetle corners better. \n\nI can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever.\nI\'ve been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who \'only thought they\'d be a few minutes\'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.\n\nNot sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something\nfrom the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I\'ve only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go\nfor a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 5.\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 94\n\nNote: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the\n_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television\nstation, KTVB Channel 7.\n\nRandy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 5.\n\nMonday, April 19, 1993 was the fifth day of the trial.\n\nSynopsis: Government informant Kenneth Fadeley testified that\nRandy Weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the National\nFirearms Act of 1934. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge\nasks jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because\nof possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case.\n\nThe testimony of FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton apparently\nended without further incident, as it was mentioned neither\nby KTVB nor the _Idaho Statesman_.\n\nThe day was highlighted by the testimony of Kenneth Fadeley,\nwho had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person\nnamed Gus Magiosono. Fadeley testified that he was acting as\nan informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms\nin his dealings with Randy Weaver.\n\nFadeley began by stating that he had met Weaver in 1987 at an\nAryan Nations summer conference in Hayden Lake, Idaho. The two\nthen met again October 11, 1989 (note the huge separation in\ntime) at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, to begin a weapons\ntransaction. He stated that Weaver had said, "He felt like he\n(Weaver) was being prepared to do something dangerous for the\nWhite cause."\n\nThe two later met October 24, 1989 behind the restaurant and\nlater went to a city park to make the sale. During this second\nmeeting, Fadeley was wearing a small recording device to\ntape the conversation. Weaver allegedly showed him an H&R 12-\ngauge shotgun with a 13-inch barrel and an overall length of\n19.25 inches. He additionally showed a Remington 12-gauge\nshotgun with a 12.75-inch barrel and an overall length of\n24.5 inches (NFA requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel\nlength and an overall length of 26 inches). On tape, Weaver\nis reported to have said that he could perform better work once\nhis machine shop is set up. The two then discuss the possibility\nof future sales. Fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars\nfor the two guns and promises the balance of one-hundred fifty\ndollars when they next meet. (Note that the ATF could have\nsimply arrested him here. Why did they wait until January 1991 -\nover a year later - to arrest him? This is not explained).\n\nThe next meeting took place on Nov 30, 1989. Fadeley stated that\nhis "source" had only come up with one hundred dollars instead\nof the one-hundred fifty he\'d promised. At this point, Weaver\nsuspected he was dealing with an informant, "I had a guy in\nSpokane tell me you were bad." Fadeley managed to convince\nWeaver otherwise.\n\nThe _Idaho Statesman_ states explicitly that three tapes were\nmade of conversations with Randy Weaver. Thus, each of these\nmeetings must have been recorded. However, the _Statesman_ also\nreported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving Vicki\nWeaver (Randy Weaver\'s wife) was played to the court. There must\nhave also been phone taps.\n\nThese tapes were played to the court via both headphones and\nloudspeakers under the objections of Gerry Spence, Weaver\'s\nattorney. Spence said to a KTVB reporter that he wanted to\nmake sure that the government proved its case, "...if it has a\ncase at all..." according to the rules.\n\nRandy Weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his\nwife\'s voice on the tape.\n\nU.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asked jurors not to hear\naccounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the\nWeaver/Harris case. Exactly how such information could affect\nthis trial is not explained.\n\nOther notes: Sunday evening there was a report on KTVB concerning\nKevin Harris. Unnamed agents within the FBI admit that they are\nsurprised that Kevin Harris is still alive. First, they were\nsurprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound(s) sustained\nin the initial firefight at the Y-junction. Later, when Randy\nWeaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that\nHarris had been struck (not Weaver). Finally, there was a report\nthat the FBI agent who killed Vicki Weaver believed he was aiming\nat Kevin Harris instead. (This is what was reported). Critics\nare charging that the FBI was blatantly trying to eliminate the\nonly non-government witness to the deaths of Samuel Weaver and\nDeputy Marshal William Degan. Some local people believe that\nHarris\'s survival is simply due to divine intervention.\n\nTuesday, April 20, 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial. \nKenneth Fadeley\'s testimony is scheduled to continue. \n\n',
'From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk ("Paul L. Allen")\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nReply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk\nOrganization: Chaos\nLines: 76\nX-Newsreader: Archimedes ReadNews\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\n\nIn article <PMETZGER.93Apr18141006@snark.shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:\n\n> In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:\n> \n> From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\n> \n> jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:\n> > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. \n> \n> Hey, it\'s better than the status quo.\n> \n> I am far less worried about "the feds" tapping my phone than high school \n> scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and \n> cordless phone calls.\n> \n> I\'m a political dissident. I\'m scared shitless of the feds listening\n> in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me\n> "disappeared" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what\n> sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who\n> have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me.\n> \n> As for "its better than the status quo", well, first of all, you can\n> get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work\n> well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building\n> software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and\n> they are all working in overdrive mode.\n> \n> And yes, I\'d rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at \n> least an incrememental improvement for certain applications...\n> \n> There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want\n> RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right.\n\nThe point you all seem to have missed was covered when the UK cellphone\nscrambling system was discussed. Incidentally, my MP has responded to\nmy questions on that issue, and it appears that the UK and other `approved\'\ncountries will get the secure A5 encryption, and `dodgy\' countries will\nget A5X. Existing mobile equipment will drop to clear mode when used with\nA5X systems, but newer equipment will use A5/A5X/clear depending on the\ncapabilities of the base station.\n\nThe cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to\nlisten in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but \ncellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users\nand fixed installations can talk to each other. For cellular to cellular\ncalls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another\nbase-station and re-encrypted. The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled\ncall *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider\'s\nequipment. The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can\nlisten without having to obtain a warrant.\n\nBut, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant\nto get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see\nabove - they don\'t *have* to go down this route anyway). I have my doubts,\nbut even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a\nwarrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want. `Well, Judge,\nit appears he wasn\'t a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we\'ll stop\nlistening in\'...\n\nYou have every reason to be scared shitless. Take a look at the records\nof McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at\nsucking) and Nixon.\n\n- --Paul\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: 2.2\n\niQCVAgUBK9IAl2v14aSAK9PNAQEvxgQAoXrviAggvpVRDLWzCHbNQo6yHuNuj8my\ncvPx2zVkhHjzkfs5lUW6z63rRwejvHxegV79EX4xzsssWVUzbLvyQUkGS08SZ2Eq\nbLSuij9aFXalv5gJ4jB/hU40qvU6I7gKKrVgtLxEYpkvXFd+tFC4n9HovumvNRUc\nve5ZY8988pY=\n=NOcG\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n\n',
"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: York University, Toronto, Canada\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes:\n>>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes:\n>>\n>>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had?\n>>\n>>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above\n>>average year in the last 5.\n>\n>Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can\n>count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a\n>bad finish last year :-).\n>\n>(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said\n>Morris was a better signing than Viola?)\n>\n>Cheers,\n>-Valentine\n\nHey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their\nfingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \nfuture. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best \nsigning. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't \neven be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.\n\nShawn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nOrganization: The University of Adelaide\nLines: 123\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\n\nbissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>\tFirst I want to start right out and say that I\'m a Christian. It \n>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo\'s book- liar, \n>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he \n>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, \n>in the process he became a Christian himself.\n\nI assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has\nTony Campello read? Not much it seems. \n\n>\tThe arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether \n>Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don\'t believe, but listen to a \n>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what \n>others have to say. \n\nIt is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about.\nIf only those christian "scientists" would take note.\n\n(In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian \nscientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly\ntrue, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified\nby using the laws of physics. For example, there are a few chaps who are \ntrying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the\nerror in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed \nlight has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been \naccounted for. :-] )\n\n>\tThe book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a \n>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.\n\nOr (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never \nintended to become a manifesto for a billion people. Did Tony follow that one\nup?\n\n>\tSome reasons why he wouldn\'t be a liar are as follows. Who would \n>die for a lie? Wouldn\'t people be able to tell if he was a liar? People \n>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing \n>someone who was or had been healed. \n\nMillions of people have "died for a lie". This point is difficult to \nsubstantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments\nwork in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed \nthemselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory\nof the Spanish invaders. The list is endless. The Aztecs lost, BTW.\n\n>Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people.\n \nThat is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone)\nto become a christian. More to the point, it does not add weight to\nthe claim that Jesus was the "real thing".\n\n\n>\tNiether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn \n>to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example \n>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see \n>this right away.\n\nHave you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany? More to the\npoint, did Tony mention this? One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his\nmany colleagues fools, or illogical men, their support of Hitler was based \n(I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with \nhis principles. Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler\nwas sane....\n\n \n\n>\tTherefore since he wasn\'t a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the \n>real thing. \n\nHmmm.... I don\'t think his arguments warrant the use of a "Therefore..."\n\n>\tSome other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in \n>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal \n>and Crucifixion. I don\'t have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I \n>write I will use it.\n\nThis is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with\npeople result in - quoting the bible. The only reasonable way I think\npeople can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of\nmetaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to\npresent. If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or\nshe will end up in all sorts of shit. \n\nTony\'s argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe\nthe events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone, \nwho thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the\nbook is totally pointless. For example, in mathematics you cannot say "a is\nequal to b because a is equal to b".\n\n \n\n>\tI don\'t think most people understand what a Christian is. \n\nThat would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed \nin religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all\nclaiming to be correct. \n\nIt \n>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it \n>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God\'s \n>sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the \n>same. Hey we can\'t do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives \n>over to him. That\'s tuff and most people don\'t want to do it, to be a \n>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But \n>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes \n>time. We don\'t rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. \n>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in \n>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this \n>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be \n>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for \n>ourselves. \t \n\nI think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames\nthan here :-). I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments\nof a stranger should be of interest to other people. \n\nSomeone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one\nrules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead. If I am pressed I\ncould probably find the exact quotation.\n\nCheers,\nCharles.\n',
'From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange)\nSubject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nReply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\nOrganization: ParcPlace Boulder\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <BADING.93Apr21134939@athene.cs.tu-berlin.de>, bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias \'Doping\' Bading) writes:\n|> \n|> try this after XCreateWindow:\n|> -----------------------------\n|> \n|> #include <X11/Xutil.h>\n|> \n|> Display display;\n|> Window window;\n|> \n|> {\n|> XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints ();\n|> xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize;\t/* or = PPosition | PSize */\n|> xsizehints->x = 42;\n|> xsizehints->y = 42;\n|> xsizehints->width = 100;\n|> xsizehints->height = 100;\n|> XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints);\n|> XFree (xsizehints);\n|> }\n|> \n|> These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window\n|> are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these\n|> values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window\n|> manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user.\n|> I don\'t know a window manager that doesn\'t place the window like you prefer if\n|> you specify the position and size like above.\n\n\nYou are right but PLEASE DON\'T DO THIS. It makes my brain hurt.\nUSPosition and USSize should ONLY be set if the USER specified the\nposition and size.\n\nYou say: "Tom, don\'t blow a gasket, what\'s the harm?"\n\nSome window managers do very different things (besides positioning the window)\nwhen they see USPosition rather than PPosition.\n\n--\nTom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\n',
"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)\nSubject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:\n> \n> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since\n> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball\n> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.\n\nWhat, did you leave the room each of the 100 or so times they said that\nthere WERE NO OTHER NIGHT BASEBALL GAMES? Every break they took back at\nthe studio mentioned it, followed by 'so...we're gonna show you hockey\ninstead.' My wife and I are hoping for rain at every baseball game they\nhave a feed for tommorrow night...\n\nPoint is, be glad they showed hockey, but if baseball was available\nanywhere else you can bet you would've watched baseball last night.\n\npete clark\n",
"From: mlf@unl.edu (mary flaglelee)\nSubject: Wanted:Singer Featherweight 221\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\nKeywords: Singer sewing machine\n\nI'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black \nsewing machine in black case).\n\nPlease contact:\n\nMary Flagle-Lee\nmlf@unlinfo.unl.edu\n",
"From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon)\nSubject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on...\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu\nLines: 7\n\nI've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first\nhappened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately...\n\n\n\t\t\tT.J. Pilon\n\t\t\tpilon@rpi.edu\n\n",
'From: vek@allegra.att.com (Van Kelly)\nSubject: Re: Prayer in Jesus\' Name\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ, USA\nLines: 39\n\nAccording to what I have read on Biblical idioms, speaking "in X\'s\nname" is a standard Aramaic/Hebrew legal idiom for what we today\nwould call Power of Attorney. A person from Jesus\' culture authorized\nto conduct business "in John\'s name" had full authority over John\'s\nfinancial affairs, but was held under a solemn fiduciary obligation to\nwork only for John\'s benefit and consonant with John\'s wishes. It was\nnot required for the steward to preface each business transaction with\n"in John\'s name"; it was sufficient to have valid power of attorney\nand be operating in good faith. (Note the overlap here between legal\nand religious definitions of "faith".)\n\nWith this cultural background, praying "in Jesus\' name" does not\nmandate a particular verbal formula; rather it requires that the\npetitioner be operating faithfully and consciously within an analogous\n"fiduciary" relationship with Jesus and for the purposes of His\nKingdom. The message of "praying in Jesus\' name" is thus closely\naligned with the parable of the talents and other passages about God\'s\ndelegation of Kingdom business to his stewards, both resources and\nresponsibilities. This idea of praying "in Jesus\' name" is not only\npresent but prominent in the Lord\'s Prayer, although the verbal\nforumula is absent.\n\nThe act of praying the words "In Jesus\' Name" may be beneficial if\nthey cause us to clarify the relationship of our requests to the\nadvancement of God\'s Kingdom. For that reason, I\'m not quite ready\nto say that the praying the formula is without meaning.\n\nPrayers to God for other purposes (desperation, anger, thanksgiving,\netc.) don\'t seem to be in this category at all, whether uttered by\nChristian or non-Christian, whether B.C. or A.D. (that\'s B.C.E. or\nC.E. for you P.C. :-). I don\'t see anything in Christ\'s words to\ncontradict the idea that God deals with all prayers according to His\nomniscience and grace.\n\nVan Kelly\nvek@research.att.com\n\n\nThe above opinions are my own, and not those of AT&T.\n',
"From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)\nSubject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement\nOrganization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC\nLines: 65\n\nIn <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)\nwrites:\n\n>Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer\n>recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands...\n\n> telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp\n> Trying 129.6.54.11...\n> Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.\n> Escape character is '^]'.\n> 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT\n> expn clipper\n> 500 Command unrecognized\n\n>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.\n\nThen it is a good thing we already have this:\n\nThe csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on\nthe clipper mailing list, seems to contain basically the members of\nthe NIST security board.\n\nIn addition to the names already posted, their true names are as\nfollows:\n\nburrows@ecf = James Burrows a director of NIST's National Computer\nSystems Laboratory\n\nmcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer\nsecurity at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's\nComputer Systems Laboratory\n\nGangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Gaetano Gangemi is director of the\nsecure systems program at Wang Laboratories Inc. He wrote: Computer\nSecurity Basics by Deborah Russell and G. T. Gangemi, Sr. -1991,\nO'Reilly and Associates\n\nslambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com = Sandra Lambert is vice-president of\ninformation security at Citibank, N.A.\n\nlipner@mitre.org = Lipner is Mitre Corp.'s director of information\nsystems.\n\ngallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Patrick Gallagher, director of the\nNational Security Agency's National Computer Security Center and a\nsecurity board member\n\nwalker@tis.com = Stephen Walker a computer security expert and\npresident of Trusted Information Systems, Inc. in Glenwood, Md\n\nwillis@rand.org = Willis H. Ware a the Rand Corp. executive who\nchairs the security board.\n\nwhitehurst@vnet.ibm.com = William Whitehurst is a security board\nmember and director of IBM Corp.'s data security programs.\n\n-- \nHarry Shapiro \t\t\t\t habs@panix.com\nList Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List\nPrivate Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991\n\n-- \nHarry Shapiro \t\t\t\t habs@panix.com\nList Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List\nPrivate Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991\n",
'From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)\nSubject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ?\nKeywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.\nDistribution: rec.motorcycles\nOrganization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <C5JF22.DJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes:\n>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One\n>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well,\n>I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-\n>fires...." Well, here\'s some additional insight and some theories\n>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.\n>\n>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and\n>increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires\n>\n>Now I don\'t know about all of this (and I\'m trying to catch up with\n>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than\n\nSplitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the\ncombustion chamber. If an engine\'s cylinder head design can benefit from this,\nthen the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably\nin lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn\'t do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC\npickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley\nSportster 1200 and my best friend\'s 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who\'ve\ntried them in 1340 Evo motors can\'t tell any performance boost over plain\nplugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers\nare pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who\nhave shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead,\nI\'d dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make\nthe machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look\nreally cool with a spark plug on each side of each head)\n-- \n=============================================================================\nNeal Howard \'91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)\n\t doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org\n\t Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac\'s.\n "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps\n we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule\' (1890)\n=============================================================================\n',
'From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)\nSubject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)\nOrganization: USC Department of Computer Science\nLines: 146\n\nMost of the key issues in the 284 line post to which I am following up are\ndealt with in the following post I made on talk.abortion yesterday,\nmodified to correct the next to last paragraph.\n\nMessage-ID: <nyikos.734890344@milo.math.scarolina.edu>\n\nReferences: <nyikos.734360987@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <nyikos.734640769@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>\n\nIn <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:\n\n>In article <nyikos.734640769@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:\n>> In <CS132073.93Apr9160836@cslab1g.cs.brown.edu> cs132073@cs.brown.edu (John Bates) writes:\n>> \n>> >In article <nyikos.734360987@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:\n>> > perhaps out\n>> >of dedication to your convictions. I never, *never*, thought that you\n>> >would be consciously intellectually dishonest, though.\n>> \n>> I am not. Can you show me anything that would lead you to think \n>> otherwise?\n\n>See the "Spreading Christianity" thread, in which he says I\n>ignore certain statements that I specifically acknowledged and\n\nDean did not. He called them "the Great Commission" but this is NOT\ndescriptive of Jesus\'s words in Matt. 10:15.\n\nMatt. 10:14, Jerusalem Bible translation:\n\n\t"And if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have\n\tto say, as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust\n\tfrom your feet."\n\nMatt. 10:15:\n\n \t"I tell you solemnly, on the day of Judgment it will not \n \tgo as hard with the land of Sodom and Gomorrah as with \n \tthat town."\n\nIn the post to which Dean is referring above, I said:\n\n"> The above is a good description of Kaflowitz, who keeps harping on\n > shaking the dust off the feet but ignoring what Christ said next."\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^\n\nThe highlighted words refer to Matt 10:14 and 10:15 respectively.\n\nAnd Dean countered:\n\n"Actually, this comment of your\'s is a perfect example of what an\nintellectually dishonest little sparrowfart you are, since I\nspecifically acknowledged the Great Commission and the entreaty\nto spread the word. In fact, it is the combination of the two\nstatements I was addressing, and not just the one, and for you to\ncharacterize that as "ignoring" the instruction to spread the\nword is a good example of what a dishonest little fellow you are."\n\nOf course, Matt 10:15 [quoted above] makes no mention of "instruction\nto spread the word."\n\nAll these quotes btw are from:\n\nMessage-ID: <1993Apr13.121624.3400@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>\n\n>in which, at the end, he claims I did not answer a question\n>which I answered, and which he deleted (to get the chronology\n>right, he deleted the answer and then said I didn\'t answer).\n\nAnd I claim it correctly, because my question went:\n\n"Do you, too, measure\nthe goodness of a post by its entertainment value, and care not\na whit for such mundane things as truth and falsehood?"\n\nand the closest Dean came to an answer was:\n\n"Peter, Peter, Peter. You\'re just so stupid, pretentious, dull,\nand generally unworthy of the value you place on yourself that\nthe sport is all there is."\n\nOf course, this does NOT answer my question, which has to do with posts\nin GENERAL and not my posts in particular. Surely even Dean knows this,\nyet he brazenly asserts otherwise, reinforcing his claim with an insult:\n\n"So I now restore the answer to your question\nthat you deleted. If you\'re still unable to figure it out, ask\na nice kid at the local junior high to help you. It really\ndoesn\'t take much sophistication to understand."\n\nOn top of which, I doubt that the "answer" is at all representative\nof Dean\'s true frame of mind. The insults you have seen quoted thus\nfar are but a small sample of the stream that oozes out of Dean\'s \nmind throughout the 284-line post from which these quotes were taken.\nOne wonders whether Dean\'s mind is so warped as to find sport in all\nthis.\n\nHe even dredges up a falsified account of\nevents that transpired earlier on another thread:\n\n"You made an ass of yourself by claiming that it\n\t\t\t\t^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nwas in the tradition of Lent to make public announcements of\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nthe "sins" of other individuals."\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nFalse. I said it was the tradition to recall and atone for one\'s sins.\nThat I made public announcements of the "sins" of others\n--"sins", BTW, that were a matter of public record, documented in\nthe posts of others-- is a different matter.\n\nMany of the individuals involved are so nearly amoral that\nthey do not see as sins what morally upright people see as sins, so\nI pointed some of them out. And I expressly set up a whole thread,\nYOUR TURN, to let people point out MY sins to me.\n\nDean again:\n\n"You made an ass of yourself\nby saying that my statement of the tradition of tzedukkah was\nsomehow an attempt to "paint Jews as plaster saints," thereby\nrevealing your inability to understand the discussion as well\nas showing your dislike for people saying positive things\nabout Jews, and now you show your intellectual dishonesty by\nrepeatedly ignoring the simple argument being made, and then\nclaiming I am ignoring the very argument I acknowledge."\n\nActually, what happened was that Dean made it seem like ANY Jew\nwho gave alms or did other acts of charity in public was a hypocrite\naccording to Jewish customs. In doing so, he was caricaturing\nJewish customs as being almost impossibly demanding, as well as\nimplicitly slandering all Jews who make public their acts of charity.\n\nI went very easily on Dean for this, giving him the benefit of\nthe doubt in a post following my initial crack about "plaster saints", \nsuggesting that he had been merely careless in his wording.\n\nIn an astonishing act of ingratitude, Dean now serves up an incredibly\ndistorted picture of what took place between us, and using it as\nthe basis of one insult after another.\n\nPeter Nyikos\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau)\nSubject: Looking for updated XView textedit source (w/d-n-d support)\nArticle-I.D.: armory.1ri2o2$3hm\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32\n\nThe XView version 3 source distribution included in the contrib section \nof X11R5 included the source to the textedit program. I'd like to take \nthe sources and modify them to add support for a ToolTalk-like message \nserver, and maybe for ToolTalk while I'm at it, since the Sun-supplied\ntextedit binary doesn't seem to speak tooltalk.\n\nHowever, the sources in the R5 contrib area seem to be for an older\nversion of textedit than the version shipped with OpenWindows 3. For\nexample, the OWN 3.0 textedit includes drag and drop support and a \ndropsite in the main control area, while the source in contrib/xview\nknows nothing about drag and drop.\n\nThe textedit.c included in the xview sources says it's version 15.50,\ndated 5/22/90, while doing a 'what textedit' on the OWN 3.0 binary says:\n\n textedit.c 2.62 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n dragdrop.c 1.26 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n tooltalk.c 2.16 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n ds_relname.c 1.7 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n\nSo, does anyone know if the 9/14/91 sources to textedit are available?\nI'd really like to work from the latest source if possible.\n\nPlease reply by email, and I'll post a summary if there's enough \ninterest.\n--\n Matt Landau\t\t\tWaiting for a flash of enlightenment\n matt@centerline.com\t\t\t in all this blood and thunder\n",
'From: kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin)\nSubject: thinning algorithm\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu\n\nHi, netters\n\nI am looking for source code that can reads the ascii file\nor bitmap file and produced the thinned image.\nFor example, to preprocess the character image I want to\napply thinning algorithm.\n\nthanks\nkevin\n.\n',
'From: brentw@netcom.com (Brent C. Williams)\nSubject: Re: Colorado Jumbo 250 for Gateway 2000?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 59\n\npd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes:\n\n>I\'ve just installed a new Colorado Jumbo 250 tape backup unit from\n>Gateway, and I have a couple of complaints with it. I don\'t know how\n>common or serious these problems may be. I would appreciate some\n>feedback from others who have used this system. (BTW, This is on a\n>4DX2-66V tower system.)\n\n\tI have a similar configuration: Colorado 250mb on 66 DX/2 tower.\n\n>The problems are:\n\n> o\tFirstly, Gateway shipped me only 120 Mb tapes, even though the\n>\tdrive is a 250 Mb unit. When I called to complain, they only\n>\tsaid: "That\'s all we carry," and "With compression, you can\n>\tfit 250 Mb on one tape." Maybe so, but then why did I pay\n>\textra for the large capacity tape drive?\n\n\tYou got suckered in the same way I did. Silly me, believing\n\tthat the "250" logo on the front meant actual carrying capacity.\n\tThe people who do this sort of thing for a living call it \n\t"marketing." Lawyers who prosecute it call it "fraud."\n\tPerhaps we can have a bunch of other duped buyers march on \n\ttheir corporate headquarters.\n\n> o\tI have about 230 Mb of data on my C: drive. I choose the\n>\tspace-optimizing compression scheme and started a full backup.\n>\tThe software estimated it would take about 22 minutes. It\n>\ttook 4 1/2 hours. Does this sound about right?\n\n\tThis is a bit long. My system takes about 45 minutes to do \n\tthe same thing. Usually 4.5 hours, particularly if the tape \n\tis grinding away the whole time means that your block size for \n\tthe write is too small. Is there any way to change the block \n\tsize or write buffer size so it\'s bigger?\n\n> o\tDuring the backup, about a dozen files came up with "access\n>\tdenied" errors. Most of these were in C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\n>\t(COMM.DRV, KEYBOARD.DRV, SHELL.DLL, etc.), but also\n>\tC:\\WINDOWS\\PROGMAN.EXE and a couple of files in the C:\\TAPE\n>\tdirectory. Anyone else had this happen?\n\n\tThis is because the files are opened by DOS. The files in the \n\tTAPE directory are likely the executable file or the configuration\n\tfile for the tape system. I would recommend running the backup\n\tfrom DOS so it will make a complete backup of the TAPE directory.\n\n>Thanks for any and all feedback on this system. I\'d also appreciate\n>hearing of good sources for blank tape cartridges, preferably 250 Mb\n>size.\n\n\tThe 250mb cartridges won\'t do you any good since the drive\n\twon\'t write 250mb of physical data on the tape. \n\n>Thanks.\n>-pd\n\n-- \n-brent williams (brentw@netcom.com) san jose, california\n',
'From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)\nSubject: Re: More Cool BMP files??\nOrganization: George Washington University\nLines: 15\n\n> \n>I downloaded the CompuServe GIF of the month. A raytraced image of\n>a golf ball next to a hole. Very nice, 640x480x256 bitmap, easily\n>converted to a Windows BMP. If anyone wants, I could upload a copy\n>on Cica...\n>\n\nPlease do...and let us know specifics. (lest I\'m the only one on this).\n\nMickey\n-- \npe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu \nace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray\n|||| \\/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*\n\\\\\\\\ | "well I ain\'t always right, but I\'ve never been wrong.."(gd)\n',
'From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 93\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1qlettINN8oi@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> >>>Explain to me\n|> >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen.\n|> >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder...\n|> >\n|> >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there\n|> >would be nothing voluntary about it.\n|> \n|> See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant\n|> if it is "voluntary." Why do you think this?\n\nIf you force me to do something, am I morally responsible for it?\n\n|> \n|> And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts.\n\nWell, make up your mind. Is it to be "instinctive not to murder"\nor not?\n\n|> \n|> >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other\n|> >>beings mimics theirs?\n|> >\n|> >You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the \n|> >same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying "Pretty Polly" \n|> >isn\'t necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly.\n|> \n|> You are attaching too many things to the term "moral," I think.\n|> Let\'s try this: is it "good" that animals of the same species\n|> don\'t kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? \n\nIt\'s not even correct. Animals of the same species do kill\none another.\n\n|> \n|> Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do\n|> is either right nor wrong?\n\nSigh. I wonder how many times we have been round this loop.\n\nI think that instinctive bahaviour has no moral significance.\nI am quite prepared to believe that higher animals, such as\nprimates, have the beginnings of a moral sense, since they seem\nto exhibit self-awareness.\n\n|> \n|> \n|> >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but \n|> >>they don\'t.\n|> >\n|> >They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly\n|> >this, but you seem to have a very short memory.\n|> \n|> Those weren\'t arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some \n|> sort of mating ritual or whatnot.\n\nSo what? Are you trying to say that some killing in animals\nhas a moral significance and some does not? Is this your\nnatural morality>\n\n\n|> \n|> >>Are you trying to say that this isn\'t an act of morality because\n|> >>most animals aren\'t intelligent enough to think like we do?\n|> >\n|> >I\'m saying:\n|> >\t"There must be the possibility that the organism - it\'s not \n|> >\tjust people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."\n|> >\n|> >It\'s right there in the posting you are replying to.\n|> \n|> Yes it was, but I still don\'t understand your distinctions. What\n|> do you mean by "consider?" Can a small child be moral? How about\n|> a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does\n|> the being need to be self aware?\n\nAre you blind? What do you think that this sentence means?\n\n\t"There must be the possibility that the organism - it\'s not \n\tjust people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."\n\nWhat would that imply?\n\n|> \n|> What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of\n|> the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don\'t\n|> you find the fact that they don\'t at all significant?\n\nI find the fact that they do to be significant. \n\njon.\n',
'From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)\nSubject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me.\nOrganization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <Apr.14.03.07.55.1993.5435@athos.rutgers.edu> wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes:\n>In article <Apr.11.01.02.39.1993.17790@athos.rutgers.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n>\tMy problem with Science is that often it allows us to\n>assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us\n>with the ability to produce life through sexual relations,\n\nYou assume this because you believe in a designing creator,\nand you observe our ability to procreate...\n\n>for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone.\n>Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God\'s decision\n>through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power\n>to decide who should and should not be able to have \n>children?\n\n.... But then you observe our ability to modify fertility\nthrough intelligence & experiment, and draw no similar conclusions\nabout God designing us for scientific inquiry & the use of the\ntechnology that it produces. How is it that one ability is "obviously\nfrom God", and the other not?\n\n>\tI cannot draw a solid line regarding where I\n>would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not,\n>but I will say this: Before one experiments with the\n>universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask\n>why they want this knowledge.\n\nI want to know the truth, and hold the Truth as the most\nbasic of all ethical values, because correct moral judgement\nrelies on knowing the truth, not vice versa. Moralities that\nassert that assent to a belief is a moral choice, and not\ncompelled by evidence inevitably cut off the limb they sit upon.\nFalsification of evidence, conscious and unconscious, follows\ncorrupting both the intellect and the heart.\n\n>I will say that each person should pray for guidance\n>when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and\n>should cease their unravelling if they have reason to \n>believe their search is displeasing to God.\n>\n>\t\t\t---Malcusco\n\nIf there is a God, he has nothing to fear from truth.\nAs to imaginary gods and there followers: Be afraid. Be very\nafraid.\n\n\tMax\n',
'From: ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator)\nSubject: A Moment Of Silence\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 14\nNntp-Posting-Host: sdcc14.ucsd.edu\n\n\n April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world\nare getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members\nby the Turkish government between 1915 and 1920. \n At least 1.5 Million Armenians perished during that period,\nand it is important to note that those who deny that this event\never took place, either supported the policy of 1915 to exterminate\nthe Armenians, or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan,\nwould like to see it happen again...\n Thank you for taking the time to read this post.\n\n -Helgge\n\n\n',
'From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nSubject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter Part 1/4\nReply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY\nLines: 708\n\n\n------------- cut here -----------------\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n +------------------------------------------------+\n ! !\n ! Health Info-Com Network !\n ! Medical Newsletter !\n +------------------------------------------------+\n Editor: David Dodell, D.M.D.\n 10250 North 92nd Street, Suite 210, Scottsdale, Arizona 85258-4599 USA\n Telephone +1 (602) 860-1121\n FAX +1 (602) 451-1165\n\nCompilation Copyright 1993 by David Dodell, D.M.D. All rights Reserved. \nLicense is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no \nfees are charged, so long as the text of this copyright notice and license \nare attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions. \n\nThe Health Info-Com Network Newsletter is distributed biweekly. Articles \non a medical nature are welcomed. If you have an article, please contact \nthe editor for information on how to submit it. If you are interested in \njoining the automated distribution system, please contact the editor. \n\nE-Mail Address:\n Editor: \n Internet: david@stat.com\n FidoNet = 1:114/15\n Bitnet = ATW1H@ASUACAD \nLISTSERV = MEDNEWS@ASUACAD.BITNET (or internet: mednews@asuvm.inre.asu.edu) \n anonymous ftp = vm1.nodak.edu\n Notification List = hicn-notify-request@stat.com\n FAX Delivery = Contact Editor for information\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S\n\n\n1. Comments & News from the Editor\n OCR / Scanner News ................................................... 1\n\n2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR\n [16 April 1993] Emerging Infectious Diseases ......................... 3\n Outbreak of E. coli Infections from Hamburgers ....................... 5\n Use of Smokeless Tobacoo Among Adults ................................ 10\n Gonorrhea ............................................................ 14\n Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Children less than 11 years Age ... 17\n Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ............................ 21\n\n3. Clinical Research News\n High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies ......................... 24\n\n4. Articles\n Low Levels Airborne Particles Linked to Serious Asthma Attacks ....... 29\n NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma ..................... 31\n National Cancer Insitute Designated Cancer Centers ................... 32\n\n5. General Announcments\n UCI Medical Education Software Repository ............................ 40\n\n6. AIDS News Summaries\n AIDS Daily Summary April 12 to April 15, 1993 ........................ 41\n\n7. AIDS/HIV Articles\n First HIV Vaccine Trial Begins in HIV-Infected Children .............. 47\n New Evidence that the HIV Can Cause Disease Independently ............ 50\n Clinical Consultation Telephone Service for AIDS ..................... 52\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page i\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n Comments & News from the Editor\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\nI would like to continue to thank everyone who has sent in a donation for the \nMednews OCR/Scanner Fund. We have reached our goal! A Hewlett Packard\nScanjet IIp was purchased this week.\n\nThank you to the following individuals whose contributions I just received:\n\nJohn Sorenson\nCarol Sigelman\nCarla Moore\nBarbara Moose\nJudith Schrier\n\nAgain, thank you to all who gave!\n\nI have been using Wordscan Plus for the past couple of weeks and would like to \nreview the product. Wordscan Plus is a product of Calera Recognition Systems. \nIt runs under Windows 3.1 and supports that Accufont Technology of the Hewlett \nPackard Scanners. \n\nWhen initially bringing up the software, it lets you select several options; \n(1) text / graphics (2) input source ie scanner, fax file, disk file (3) \nautomatic versus manual decomposition of the scanned image. \n\nI like manual decomposition since the software then lets me select which \nparts of the document I would like scanned, and in what order.\n\nOnce an image is scanned, you can bring up the Pop-Up image verification. The \nsoftware gives you two "errors" at this point. Blue which are words that were \nconverted reliability, but do not match anything in the built-in dictionary. \nYellow shade, which are words that Wordscan Plus doesn\'t think it converted \ncorrectly at all. I have found that the software should give itself more \ncredit. It is usually correct, instead of wrong. If a word is shaded blue, \nyou can add it to your personal dictionary. The only problem is the personal \ndictionary will only handle about 200 words. I find this to be very limited, \nconsidering how many medical terms are not in a normal dictionary. \n\nAfter a document is converted, you can save it in a multitude of word \nprocessor formats. Also any images that were captured can be stored in a \nseperate TIFF or PCX file format.\n\nI was extremely impressed on the percent accuracy for fax files. I use \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 1\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nan Intel Satisfaxtion card, which stores incoming faxs in a PCX/DCX format. \nWhile most of my faxes were received in "standard" mode (200x100 dpi), the \naccuracy of Wordscan Plus was excellent. \n\nOverall, a very impressive product. The only fault I could find is the \nlimitations of the size of the user dictionary. 200 specialized words is just \ntoo small. \n\nIf anyone has any specific questions, please do not hesitate to send me email.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 2\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n Emerging Infectious Diseases\n ============================\n SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n Introduction\n\n Despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would \nsoon be eliminated as a public health problem (1), infectious diseases remain \nthe major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in \nthe United States. Since the early 1970s, the U.S. public health system has \nbeen challenged by a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes (e.g., \nEscherichia coli O157:H7, hepatitis C virus, human immunodeficiency virus, \nLegionnaires disease, Lyme disease, and toxic shock syndrome). The incidences \nof many diseases widely presumed to be under control, such as cholera, \nmalaria, and tuberculosis (TB), have increased in many areas. Furthermore, \ncontrol and prevention of infectious diseases are undermined by drug \nresistance in conditions such as gonorrhea, malaria, pneumococcal disease, \nsalmonellosis, shigellosis, TB, and staphylococcal infections (2). Emerging \ninfections place a disproportionate burden on immunocompromised persons, those \nin institutional settings (e.g., hospitals and child day care centers), and \nminority and underserved populations. The substantial economic burden of \nemerging infections on the U.S. health-care system could be reduced by more \neffective surveillance systems and targeted control and prevention programs \n(3). \n This issue of MMWR introduces a new series, "Emerging Infectious \nDiseases." Future articles will address these diseases, as well as \nsurveillance, control, and prevention efforts by health-care providers and \npublic health officials. This first article updates the ongoing investigation \nof an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 in the western United States (4). \n\nReferences\n\n1. Burnet M. Natural history of infectious disease. Cambridge, England: \nCambridge University Press, 1963. \n\n2. Kunin CM. Resistance to antimicrobial drugs -- a worldwide calamity. Ann \nIntern Med 1993;118:557-61. \n\n3. Lederberg J, Shope RE, Oaks SC Jr, eds. Emerging infections: microbial \nthreats to health in the United States. Washington, DC: National Academy \nPress, 1992. \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 3\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n4. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 \ninfections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 4\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n Update: Multistate Outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7\n Infections from Hamburgers -- Western United States,\n 1992-1993\n =======================================================\n SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n From November 15, 1992, through February 28, 1993, more than 500 \nlaboratory-confirmed infections with E. coli O157:H7 and four associated \ndeaths occurred in four states -- Washington, Idaho, California, and Nevada. \nThis report summarizes the findings from an ongoing investigation (1) that \nidentified a multistate outbreak resulting from consumption of hamburgers from \none restaurant chain. Washington \n On January 13, 1993, a physician reported to the Washington Department of \nHealth a cluster of children with hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) and an \nincrease in emergency room visits for bloody diarrhea. During January 16-17, a \ncase-control study comparing 16 of the first cases of bloody diarrhea or \npostdiarrheal HUS identified with age- and neighborhood-matched controls \nimplicated eating at chain A restaurants during the week before symptom onset \n(matched odds ratio OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=3.5). On January \n18, a multistate recall of unused hamburger patties from chain A restaurants \nwas initiated. \n As a result of publicity and case-finding efforts, during January-\nFebruary 1993, 602 patients with bloody diarrhea or HUS were reported to the \nstate health department. A total of 477 persons had illnesses meeting the case \ndefinition of culture-confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection or postdiarrheal HUS \n(Figure 1). Of the 477 persons, 52 (11%) had close contact with a person with \nconfirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection during the week preceding onset of \nsymptoms. Of the remaining 425 persons, 372 (88%) reported eating in a chain A \nrestaurant during the 9 days preceding onset of symptoms. Of the 338 patients \nwho recalled what they ate in a chain A restaurant, 312 (92%) reported eating \na regular-sized hamburger patty. Onsets of illness peaked from January 17 \nthrough January 20. Of the 477 casepatients, 144 (30%) were hospitalized; 30 \ndeveloped HUS, and three died. The median age of patients was 7.5 years \n(range: 0-74 years). Idaho \n Following the outbreak report from Washington, the Division of Health, \nIdaho Department of Health and Welfare, identified 14 persons with culture-\nconfirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection, with illness onset dates from December \n11, 1992, through February 16, 1993 (Figure 2A). Four persons were \nhospitalized; one developed HUS. During the week preceding illness onset, 13 \n(93%) had eaten at a chain A restaurant. California \n In late December, the San Diego County Department of Health Services was \nnotified of a child with E. coli O157:H7 infection who subsequently died. \nActive surveillance and record review then identified eight other persons with \nE. coli O157:H7 infections or HUS from mid-November through mid-January 1993. \nFour of the nine reportedly had recently eaten at a chain A restaurant and \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 5\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nfour at a chain B restaurant in San Diego. After the Washington outbreak was \nreported, reviews of medical records at five hospitals revealed an overall 27% \nincrease in visits or admissions for diarrhea during December 1992 and January \n1993 compared with the same period 1 year earlier. A case was defined as \npostdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, \nor any diarrheal illness in which stool culture yielded E. coli O157:H7, with \nonset from November 15, 1992, through January 31, 1993. \n Illnesses of 34 patients met the case definition (Figure 2B). The \noutbreak strain was identified in stool specimens of six patients. Fourteen \npersons were hospitalized, seven developed HUS, and one child died. The median \nage of case-patients was 10 years (range: 1-58 years). A case-control study of \nthe first 25 case-patients identified and age- and sex-matched community \ncontrols implicated eating at a chain A restaurant in San Diego (matched \nOR=13; 95% confidence interval CI=1.7-99). A study comparing case-patients \nwho ate at chain A restaurants with well meal companions implicated regular-\nsized hamburger patties (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=1.3). \nChain B was not statistically associated with illness. Nevada \n On January 22, after receiving a report of a child with HUS who had eaten \nat a local chain A restaurant, the Clark County (Las Vegas) Health District \nissued a press release requesting that persons with recent bloody diarrhea \ncontact the health department. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody \ndiarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness \nwith a stool culture yielding the Washington strain of E. coli O157:H7, with \nonset from December 1, 1992, through February 7, 1993. Because local \nlaboratories were not using sorbitol MacConkey (SMAC) medium to screen stools \nfor E. coli O157:H7, this organism was not identified in any patient. After \nSMAC medium was distributed, the outbreak strain was detected in the stool of \none patient 38 days after illness onset. \n Of 58 persons whose illnesses met the case definition (Figure 2C), nine \nwere hospitalized; three developed HUS. The median age was 30.5 years (range: \n0-83 years). Analysis of the first 21 patients identified and age- and sex-\nmatched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant during \nthe week preceding illness onset (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence \nlimit=4.9). A case-control study using well meal companions of case-patients \nalso implicated eating hamburgers at chain A (matched OR=6.0; 95% CI=0.7-\n49.8). Other Investigation Findings \n During the outbreak, chain A restaurants in Washington linked with cases \nprimarily were serving regular-sized hamburger patties produced on November \n19, 1992; some of the same meat was used in "jumbo" patties produced on \nNovember 20, 1992. The outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 was isolated from 11 \nlots of patties produced on those two dates; these lots had been distributed \nto restaurants in all states where illness occurred. Approximately 272,672 \n(20%) of the implicated patties were recovered by the recall. \n A meat traceback by a CDC team identified five slaughter plants in the \nUnited States and one in Canada as the likely sources of carcasses used in the \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 6\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\ncontaminated lots of meat and identified potential control points for reducing \nthe likelihood of contamination. The animals slaughtered in domestic slaughter \nplants were traced to farms and auctions in six western states. No one \nslaughter plant or farm was identified as the source. \n Further investigation of cases related to secondary transmission in \nfamilies and child day care settings is ongoing. \n\nReported by: M Davis, DVM, C Osaki, MSPH, Seattle-King County Dept of Public \nHealth; D Gordon, MS, MW Hinds, MD, Snohomish Health District, Everett; K \nMottram, C Winegar, MPH, Tacoma-Pierce County Health Dept; ED Avner, MD, PI \nTarr, MD, Dept of Pediatrics, D Jardine, MD, Depts of Anesthesiology and \nPediatrics, Univ of Washington School of Medicine and Children\'s Hospital and \nMedical Center, Seattle; M Goldoft, MD, B Bartleson, MPH; J Lewis, JM \nKobayashi, MD, State Epidemiologist, Washington Dept of Health. G Billman, MD, \nJ Bradley, MD, Children\'s Hospital, San Diego; S Hunt, P Tanner, RES, M \nGinsberg, MD, San Diego County Dept of Health Svcs; L Barrett, DVM, SB Werner, \nMD, GW Rutherford, III, MD, State Epidemiologist, California Dept of Health \nSvcs. RW Jue, Central District Health Dept, Boise; H Root, Southwest District \nHealth Dept, Caldwell; D Brothers, MA, RL Chehey, MS, RH Hudson, PhD, Div of \nHealth, Idaho State Public Health Laboratory, FR Dixon, MD, State \nEpidemiologist, Div of Health, Idaho Dept of Health and Welfare. DJ Maxson, \nEnvironmental Epidemiology Program, L Empey, PA, O Ravenholt, MD, VH Ueckart, \nDVM, Clark County Health District, Las Vegas; A DiSalvo, MD, Nevada State \nPublic Health Laboratory; DS Kwalick, MD, R Salcido, MPH, D Brus, DVM, State \nEpidemiologist, Div of Health, Nevada State Dept of Human Resources. Center \nfor Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration. Food \nSafety Inspection Svc, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Svc, US Dept of \nAgriculture. Div of Field Epidemiology, Epidemiology Program Office; Enteric \nDiseases Br, Div of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for \nInfectious Diseases, CDC. \n\nEditorial Note: E. coli O157:H7 is a pathogenic gram-negative bacterium first \nidentified as a cause of illness in 1982 during an outbreak of severe bloody \ndiarrhea traced to contaminated hamburgers (2). This pathogen has since \nemerged as an important cause of both bloody diarrhea and HUS, the most common \ncause of acute renal failure in children. Outbreak investigations have linked \nmost cases with the consumption of undercooked ground beef, although other \nfood vehicles, including roast beef, raw milk, and apple cider, also have been \nimplicated (3). Preliminary data from a CDC 2-year, nationwide, multicenter \nstudy revealed that when stools were routinely cultured for E. coli O157:H7 \nthat organism was isolated more frequently than Shigella in four of 10 \nparticipating hospitals and was isolated from 7.8% of all bloody stools, a \nhigher rate than for any other pathogen. \n Infection with E. coli O157:H7 often is not recognized because most \nclinical laboratories do not routinely culture stools for this organism on \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 7\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nSMAC medium, and many clinicians are unaware of the spectrum of illnesses \nassociated with infection (4). The usual clinical manifestations are diarrhea \n(often bloody) and abdominal cramps; fever is infrequent. Younger age groups \nand the elderly are at highest risk for clinical manifestations and \ncomplications. Illness usually resolves after 6-8 days, but 2%-7% of patients \ndevelop HUS, which is characterized by hemolytic anemia, thrombocytopenia, \nrenal failure, and a death rate of 3%-5%. \n This report illustrates the difficulties in recognizing community \noutbreaks of E. coli O157:H7 in the absence of routine surveillance. Despite \nthe magnitude of this outbreak, the problem may not have been recognized in \nthree states if the epidemiologic link had not been established in Washington \n(1). Clinical laboratories should routinely culture stool specimens from \npersons with bloody diarrhea or HUS for E. coli O157:H7 using SMAC agar (5). \nWhen infections with E. coli O157:H7 are identified, they should be reported \nto local health departments for further evaluation and, if necessary, public \nhealth action to prevent further cases. \n E. coli O157:H7 lives in the intestines of healthy cattle, and can \ncontaminate meat during slaughter. CDC is collaborating with the U.S. \nDepartment of Agriculture\'s Food Safety Inspection Service to identify \ncritical control points in processing as a component of a program to reduce \nthe likelihood of pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7 entering the meat supply. \nBecause slaughtering practices can result in contamination of raw meat with \npathogens, and because the process of grinding beef may transfer pathogens \nfrom the surface of the meat to the interior, ground beef is likely to be \ninternally contaminated. The optimal food protection practice is to cook \nground beef thoroughly until the interior is no longer pink, and the juices \nare clear. In this outbreak, undercooking of hamburger patties likely played \nan important role. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued interim \nrecommendations to increase the internal temperature for cooked hamburgers to \n155 F (86.1 C) (FDA, personal communication, 1993). \n Regulatory actions stimulated by the outbreak described in this report \nand the recovery of thousands of contaminated patties before they could be \nconsumed emphasize the value of rapid public health investigations of \noutbreaks. The public health impact and increasing frequency of isolation of \nthis pathogen underscore the need for improved surveillance for infections \ncaused by E. coli O157:H7 and for HUS to better define the epidemiology of E. \ncoli O157:H7. \n\nReferences\n\n1. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 \ninfections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6. \n\n2. Riley LW, Remis RS, Helgerson SD, et al. Hemorrhagic colitis associated \nwith a rare Escherichia coli serotype. N Engl J Med 1983;308:681-5. \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 8\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n3. Griffin PM, Tauxe RV. The epidemiology of infections caused by Escherichia \ncoli O157:H7, other enterohemorrhagic E. coli, and the associated hemolytic \nuremic syndrome. Epidemiol Rev 1991;13:60-98. \n\n4. Griffin PM, Ostroff SM, Tauxe RV, et al. Illnesses associated with \nEscherichia coli O157:H7 infections: a broad clinical spectrum. Ann Intern Med \n1988;109:705-12. \n\n5. March SB, Ratnam S. Latex agglutination test\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 9\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n Use of Smokeless Tobacco Among Adults -- United States,\n 1991\n =======================================================\n SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n Consumption of moist snuff and other smokeless tobacco products in the \nUnited States almost tripled from 1972 through 1991 (1). Long-term use of \nsmokeless tobacco is associated with nicotine addiction and increased risk of \noral cancer (2) -- the incidence of which could increase if young persons who \ncurrently use smokeless tobacco continue to use these products frequently (1). \nTo monitor trends in the prevalence of use of smokeless tobacco products, \nCDC\'s 1991 National Health Interview Survey-Health Promotion and Disease \nPrevention supplement (NHIS-HPDP) collected information on snuff and chewing \ntobacco use and smoking from a representative sample of the U.S. civilian, \nnoninstitutionalized population aged greater than or equal to 18 years. This \nreport summarizes findings from this survey. \n The 1991 NHIS-HPDP supplement asked "Have you used snuff at least 20 \ntimes in your entire life?" and "Do you use snuff now?" Similar questions were \nasked about chewing tobacco use and cigarette smoking. Current users of \nsmokeless tobacco were defined as those who reported snuff or chewing tobacco \nuse at least 20 times and who reported using snuff or chewing tobacco at the \ntime of the interview; former users were defined as those who reported having \nused snuff or chewing tobacco at least 20 times and not using either at the \ntime of the interview. Ever users of smokeless tobacco included current and \nformer users. Current smokers were defined as those who reported smoking at \nleast 100 cigarettes and who were currently smoking and former smokers as \nthose who reported having smoked at least 100 cigarettes and who were not \nsmoking now. Ever smokers included current and former smokers. Data on \nsmokeless tobacco use were available for 43,732 persons aged greater than or \nequal to 18 years and were adjusted for nonresponse and weighted to provide \nnational estimates. Confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by using \nstandard errors generated by the Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) \n(3). \n In 1991, an estimated 5.3 million (2.9%) U.S. adults were current users \nof smokeless tobacco, including 4.8 million (5.6%) men and 533,000 (0.6%) \nwomen. For all categories of comparison, the prevalence of smokeless tobacco \nuse was substantially higher among men. For men, the prevalence of use was \nhighest among those aged 18-24 years (Table 1); for women, the prevalence was \nhighest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. The prevalence of \nsmokeless tobacco use among men was highest among American Indians/Alaskan \nNatives and whites; the prevalence among women was highest among American \nIndians/Alaskan Natives and blacks. Among both men and women, prevalence of \nsmokeless tobacco use declined with increasing education. Prevalence was \nsubstantially higher among residents of the southern United States and in \nrural areas. Although the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was higher among \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 10\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nmen and women below the poverty level, * this difference was significant only \nfor women (p less than 0.05) (Table 1). \n Among men, the prevalence of current use of snuff was highest among those \naged 18-44 years but varied considerably by age; the prevalence of use of \nchewing tobacco was more evenly distributed by age group (Table 2). Although \nwomen rarely used smokeless tobacco, the prevalence of snuff use was highest \namong those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. \n An estimated 7.9 million (4.4% 95% CI=4.1-4.6) adults reported being \nformer smokeless tobacco users. Among ever users, the proportion who were \nformer smokeless tobacco users was 59.9% (95% CI=57.7-62.1). Among persons \naged 18-24 years, the proportion of former users was lower among snuff users \n(56.2% 95% CI=49.4-63.0) than among chewing tobacco users (70.4% 95% \nCI=64.2-76.6). Among persons aged 45-64 years, the proportion of former users \nwas similar for snuff (68.9% 95% CI=63.1-74.7) and chewing tobacco (73.5% \n95% CI=68.9-78.1). \n Among current users of smokeless tobacco, 22.9% (95% CI=19.9-26.0) \ncurrently smoked, 33.3% (95% CI=30.0-36.5) formerly smoked, and 43.8% (95% \nCI=39.9-47.7) never smoked. In comparison, among current smokers, 2.6% (95% \nCI=2.3-3.0) were current users of smokeless tobacco. \n Daily use of smokeless tobacco was more common among snuff users (67.3% \n95% CI=63.2-71.4) than among chewing tobacco users (45.1% 95% CI=40.6-\n49.6). \n\nReported by: Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease \nPrevention and Health Promotion; Div of Health Interview Statistics, National \nCenter for Health Statistics, CDC. \n\nEditorial Note: The findings in this report indicate that the use of smokeless \ntobacco was highest among young males. Adolescent and young adult males, in \nparticular, are the target of marketing strategies by tobacco companies that \nlink smokeless tobacco with athletic performance and virility. Use of oral \nsnuff has risen markedly among professional baseball players, encouraging this \nbehavior among adolescent and young adult males and increasing their risk for \nnicotine addiction, oral cancer, and other mouth disorders (4). \n Differences in the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among \nracial/ethnic groups may be influenced by differences in educational levels \nand socioeconomic status as well as social and cultural phenomena that require \nfurther explanation. For example, targeted marketing practices may play a role \nin maintaining or increasing prevalence among some groups, and affecting the \ndifferential initiation of smokeless tobacco use by young persons (5,6). \n In this report, one concern is that nearly one fourth of current \nsmokeless tobacco users also smoke cigarettes. In the 1991 NHIS-HPDP, the \nprevalence of cigarette smoking was higher among former smokeless tobacco \nusers than among current and never smokeless tobacco users. In a previous \nstudy among college students, 18% of current smokeless tobacco users smoked \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 11\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\noccasionally (7). In addition, approximately 7% of adults who formerly smoked \nreported substituting other tobacco products for cigarettes in an effort to \nstop smoking (8). Health-care providers should recognize the potential health \nimplications of concurrent smokeless tobacco and cigarette use. \n The national health objectives for the year 2000 have established special \npopulation target groups for the reduction of the prevalence of smokeless \ntobacco use, including males aged 12-24 years (to no more than 4% by the year \n2000 objective 3.9) and American Indian/Alaskan Native youth (to no more \nthan 10% by the year 2000 objective 3.9a) (9). Strategies to lower the \nprevalence of smokeless tobacco use include continued monitoring of smokeless \ntobacco use, integrating smoking and smokeless tobacco-control efforts, \nenforcing laws that restrict minors\' access to tobacco, making excise taxes \ncommensurate with those on cigarettes, encouraging health-care providers to \nroutinely provide cessation advice and follow-up, providing school-based \nprevention and cessation interventions, and adopting policies that prohibit \ntobacco use on school property and at school-sponsored events (5). \n\nReferences\n\n1. Office of Evaluations and Inspections. Spit tobacco and youth. Washington, \nDC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Inspector \nGeneral, 1992; DHHS publication no. (OEI-06)92-00500. \n\n2. National Institutes of Health. The health consequences of using smokeless \ntobacco: a report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General. Bethesda, \nMaryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, \n1986; DHHS publication no. (NIH)86-2874. \n\n3. Shah BV. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.30 Software \ndocumentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle \nInstitute, 1989. \n\n4. Connolly GN, Orleans CT, Blum A. Snuffing tobacco out of sport. Am J Public \nHealth 1992;82:351-3. \n\n5. National Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco or health: an international \nperspective. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, \nPublic Health Service, National Institutes of Health, 1992; DHHS publication \nno. (NIH)92-3461. \n\n6. Foreyt JP, Jackson AS, Squires WG, Hartung GH, Murray TD, Gotto AM. \nPsychological profile of college students who use smokeless tobacco. Addict \nBehav 1993;18:107-16. \n\n7. Glover ED, Laflin M, Edwards SW. Age of initiation and switching patterns \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 12\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nbetween smokeless tobacco and cigarettes among college students in the United \nStates. Am J Public Health 1989;79:207-8. \n\n8. CDC. Tobacco use in 1986: methods and tabulations from Adult Use of Tobacco \nSurvey. Rockville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, \nPublic Health Service, CDC, 1990; DHHS publication no. (OM)90-2004. \n\n9. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and \ndisease prevention objectives. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and \nHuman Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91-\n50213.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--------- end of part 1 ------------\n\n---\n Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165\n Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15\n Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na\n',
'From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)\nSubject: To Rob Lanphier\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 82\n\nDear Rob,\n\n>When I read Brian K.\'s postings, I find someone who is honestly seeking\n>the truth. When I read your response here, I see condescension. When you\n>reply to a post, reply to the post you quote. This statement undermines\n>any good points you might have had (it was enough to make me stop reading).\n\nSometimes I do come across condesending, and I am sorry I come across that\nway at times. Thank you for the reproach, I really do appreciate it. I\'ll\ntry to get better.\n\nRob, at the same time, I have also learned that some people respond to the gentle\napproach while others respond only at a harsh rebuke. Brian K., so far,\nonly responds to the latter. And I am glad he responds at all. In both\ncases of approach, my intention is to be loving. I am making no excuse\nfor myself if I am coming across condesending. I apologize for that.\n\nRob, sometimes Brian K. comes across as honest. I know this. But Brian K. \nvasillates back and forth. One post looks honest; the next is\nan excuse. Now he wants me to explain the universe in 50 words or less. \nI think Brian Kendig is really trying but he is too comfortable with\nhis set of excuses. \n\nI just want Brian K. to be honest with himself. If he really wants\nto know, he will ask questions and stop asserting irrelevant excuses\nwhich have nothing to do with my God. I wish Brian would read the\nBible for himself and come to his own decisions without being\nsidetracked with the temptation to mock God.\n\nFrom my perspective Rob, when I look at Brian Kendig, I see a man\nstanding out in the middle of a highway. Off into the distance I \nsee a Mack truck heading right for him, but Brian K. is faced away\nfrom the oncoming truck. He doesn\'t see it. Here\'s is how I see\nthe dialog:\n\n\nMe: "Brian K, please step aside before you get run over." \n\nBK: "There is no truck."\n\nMe: "Turn around at look."\n\nBK: "No."\n\nMe: "Look! You will be healthier if you do take a look at\n the oncoming truck."\n\nBK: "No. Explain to me why trucks exist."\n\nMe: "Turn around or you will run over."\n\nBK: "No. I won\'t because I like hiking and tomorrow is Tuesday."\n\nMe: "You blind fool! Why do you choose ignorance? You have nothing\n to lose if you look. But if do not look, you will certainly lose your life."\n I do not want to see you squashed all over the road.\n\nBK: "It is my life to lose. I rather not look.\n Besides, a truck running over me will not harm me."\n And by the way, I really have an open mind."\n\n\nSo is my motivation to belittle Brian, or to love Brian the best I know how? \n\nI do not wish to single Brian Kendig out. Because millions if not\nbillions of people fall into the same category. Perhaps all people\nfall have fallen into this category at one time in their lives. I have.\nI can now see the truck behind Brian.\n\nMy hope is that Brian will look and will see the ramifications of the\ntruck coming towards him. My hope is that Brian will want to step out\nof the way. My fear, though, is that Brian will instead choose to glue himself\nto the middle of the highway, where he will certainly get run over. But if\nhe so chooses, he so chooses, and there is nothing I can do beyond that\nto change his mind. For it is his choice. But at this very moment,\nBrian hasn\'t gotten even that far. He is still at the point where he\ndoes not want to look. Sure he moves his eyeball to appease me, but his\nhead will not turn around to see the entire picture. So far he is\nsatisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance. \n\nThank you again Rob for your reproach. I really do appreciate it. (My\nwife tells me the same thing at times.) :-) I will try to do better.\n',
"From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)\nSubject: SE/30 acc & graphics card?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bonnie.ics.uci.edu\nReply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)\nOrganization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.\nLines: 9\n\nAre there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040\naccelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for\nthe _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30.\n\nThanks\n\nMatt Madsen\nmmadsen@ics.uci.edu\n\n",
"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)\nSubject: Re: ESPN and Expansion\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5109u.7C0@ucdavis.edu> itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:\n>I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little\n>confused.\n>\n>While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit\n>from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs,\n>Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was,\n>of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball\n>has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's).\n>\n>What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would\n>do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the\n>likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs.\n>\n>My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The\n>last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I\n>miss something?\n>\n>Dennis Cleary\n>dfcleary@ucdavis.edu\n>\n\nI wondered the same thing. When he first mentioned it, I thought he was\njust making a mistake but then he said it over and over. And then in the\nexamples from other years, he gave stats for players from both leagues even\nwhen only one league expanded.\n\nSo (since stats *NEVER* lie :-) ), I guess there is an effect on both leagues\nbecause the expansion draft takes talent from both leagues equally making \nevery team in both leagues dilute their major league talent by calling up\nplayers that, normally, they would not have had there not been expansion.\n\nMake sense?\n",
"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)\nSubject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?)\nOrganization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) writes:\n> That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have\n> a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally\n\n\tI have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make\nthis noise.\n\n\n\n",
"From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu\nSubject: KREME\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Cornell University\nLines: 8\n\nHi folks!\t\t\n\nRecently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only\t\none man's opinion. \t\n\nAny one else have any experience with the stuff?\t\n\n\n",
'From: feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman)\nSubject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610???\nKeywords: Centris\nNntp-Posting-Host: charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com\nOrganization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5HvJx.DJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\t(David L. Berk) writes:\n> I recently purchased a Centris 610 and a Mirror Technologies 19 inch\n> Mono monitor. I\'m wondering if it is OK to set the monitor on top\n> of the CPU. The monitor weighs 54 lbs.\n>\n> I\'ve called Apple. The person I spoke with was not sure but was\n> going to find out and call me back in a couple of days. That was\n> over a week ago....\n>\n> If anybody knows, please respond via email as I don\'t always have time\n> to read this group. Thanks.\n>\n> David Berk\n> d-berk@uiuc.edu\n\nYea, thanks to lots of good information in this newsgroup, I was prepared\nfor lots of details (even shipping time ... got my C610 8/230/CD in 5 weeks).\nI guess my biggest disappointment is the lack of detail in the written\nspecs and documentation. The case load spec is an example -- the setup\nsection says Apple 14" and 16" monitors can go on top, but 21" and other\nbig ones can\'t. Why couldn\'t they publish a maximum load?\n\nNow if I can figure out if there\'s any hope using the "partition" button\non the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?),\nthen maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more\nsecurly. The "getting more information" section of the manual suggested\ntrying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn\'t mention the net.\n-- \nMike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550\n1101 East University Avenue\t Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009\nUrbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com\n',
"From: bjones@TrentU.CA (NAME)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nReply-To: bjones@TrentU.CA\nOrganization: Trent University, Peterborough\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.091938.6821@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:\n>\n>In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:\n>|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:\n>|> \n>|> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to\n>|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,\n>|> : and take the truck. \n>|> : \n>|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!\n>|> \n>|> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida\n>|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers\n>|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.\n>\n>Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning\n>holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)\n>destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world\n>countries - but not the US!\n\n>In response to this and other articles that have been written on this \nsubject, I would like to say that it is not just a US problem. In southern \nOntario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people \n(mainly truckers) were shot at from overpasses. There are many sick people \nout there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to.\n>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch\n",
"From: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM (Alan Monday-WWCS Business Mgt. Group)\nSubject: Re: Solar Sail Data\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: packmind.ebay.sun.com\n\nHey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be\nfor Columbus+500?\n\nIn article 29848@news.duc.auburn.edu, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes:\n>\n>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar\n> Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject\n> back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information.\n>\n>Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ?\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: FNAL/AD/Net\nLines: 70\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.33.1993.28409@athos.rutgers.edu>\nkilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy\'s Sweetie) writes:\n>\n>There is no way out of the loop.\n\nOh contrer mon captitan! There is a way. Certainly it is not by human reason.\n Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!) To paraphrase\nSartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point. It\nis only because of God\'s own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing. \nYour logic comes to fruition in relativism. \n>\n>"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."\n> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n\nAh, now it is clear. Ludwig was a desciple of Russell. Ludwig\'s fame is often\nexplained by the fact that he spawned not one but two significant movements in\ncontemporary philosophy. Both revolve around Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus\n(\'21) and Philosophical Investigation (\'53). Many of Witt\'s comments and\nimplicit conclusions suggest ways of going beyond the explicit critique of\nlanguage he offers. According to some of the implicit suggestions of Witt\'s\nthought, ordinary language is an invaluable resource, offering a necessary\nframework for the conduct of daily life. However, though its formal features\nremain the same, its content does not and it is always capable of being\ntranscended as our experience changes and our understanding is deepened, giving\nus a clearer picture of what we are and what we wish to say. On Witt\'s own\naccount, there is a dynamic fluidity of language. It is for this reason that\nany critique of language must move from talking about the limits of language to\ntalking about its boundaries, where a boundary is understood not as a wall but\na threshold.\n vonWrights\'s comment that Witt\'s "sentences have a content that often lies\ndeep beneath the surface of language." On the surface, Witt talks of the\ninsuperable position of ordinary language and the necessity of bringing\nourselves to accept it without question. At the same time, we are faced with\nWitt\'s own creative uses of language and his concern for bringing about changes\nin our traditional modes of understanding. Philosophy, then, through more\nperspicacious speech, seeks to effect this unity rather than assuming that it\nis already functioning. Yes? The most brilliant of scientists are unable to\noffer a foundation for human speech so long as they reject Christianity! In his\nTractatus we have the well nigh perfect exhibition of the nature of the impasse\nof the scientific ideal of exhaustive logical analysis of Reality by man. \nPerfect language does not exist for fallen man, therefore we must get on about\nour buisness of relating Truth via ordinary language.\n\n This is why John\'s Gospel is so dear to most Christians. It is so simple in\nit conveyance of the revealation of God, yet so full of unlieing depth of\nunderstanding. He viewed Christ from the OT concept of "as a man thinketh, so\nhe is." John looked at the outward as only an indicator of what was inside,\nthat is the consciousness of Christ. And so must we. Words are only vehicals\nof truth. He is truth. The scriptures are plain in their expounding that\nthere is a Truth and that it is knowable. THere are absolutes, and they too\nare knowable. However, they are only knowable when He reveals them to the\nindividual. There is, and we shouldn\'t shy from this, a mysticism to\nChristianity. Paul in ROm 8 says there are 3 men in the world. There is the\none who does not have the Spirit and therefore can not know the things of the\nSpirit (the Spirit of Truth) and there is the one who has the Spirit and has\nthe capacity to know of the Truth, but there is the third. THe one who not\nonly has the Spirit, but that the Spirit has him! Who can know the deep things\nof God and reveal them to us other than the Spirit. And it is only the deep\nthings of GOd that are absolute and true.\n There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be experienced\nand it is verifiable. I disagree with Dr Nancy\'s Sweetie\'s conclusion because\nif it is taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair. \n\n"I would know the words which He would answer me, and understand what He would\nsay unto me." Job 23ff\n\n--Rex\n\nsuggested, easy reading about epistimology: "He is there and He is not Silent"\n by Francis Schaeffer.\n',
'From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)\nSubject: Re: Debating special "hate crimes" laws\nOrganization: Northeastern Law, Class of \'93\nLines: 61\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu\nIn-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr4.235546.6450@midway.uchicago.edu>, \nthf2@midway.uchicago.edu said:\n\n> > This sort [of] separate treatment by the law has no place in an\n> > equal society; the solution to the fact that some classes are more\n> > vulnerable to attack or discrimination is to do what has always\n> > been done in response to imbalances in criminal activity and\n> > citizen protection: to allocate _law enforcement_ resources to\n> > more efficiently and effectively deal with the problems, not to\n> > rewrite the _law_ itself. [wdstarr]\n>\n> So how do you feel about increased penalties for killing a policeman?\n> A federal employee? Or to use both Scalia\'s and Stevens\'s example,\n> increased penalties for threatening the president? (I\'m assuming\n> that, like all good people, you oppose the marital exemption for rape,\n> so I won\'t bring that up.)\n\nIn order of your questions, I oppose it, I oppose it, I oppose it and\n(Huh? Wha? Where did _that_ topic come from and what\'s it got to do\nwith the discussion at hand? :-)\n\nWhen I was discussing the concept of different criminal laws for crimes\nagainst different classes of people (and yes, I do consider laws which\nallow/mandate enhanced penalties following conviction based upon the\nconvict\'s attitudes towards the class membership of the victim to fit\ninto that category), the category of classes I had in mind was that of\nthe standard civil rights discussion -- classes based upon race, gender,\nethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Having you ask about\nclasses based upon one\'s _profession_ rather than one\'s personal\ncharacteristics caught me off guard, and I had to think out the question\nfrom scratch.\n\nWhat I finally decided was that the law should not recognize such\nclasses because to do so would be to formally and officially declare\nsome people to be of more worth than others, and that would be anathema\nto the underlying American concept of equal treatment under the law.\n\nLast year, when a federal crime bill was under consideration which would\nhave expanded the federal death penalty to an additional fifty-plus\ncrimes, including the murder of various federal officers hitherto not\nprotected by that "aura of deterrence," critics pointed out the\nabsurdity of having laws which made the death penalty available for the\nmurder of a federal postal inspector but not for ther murder of a\ncivilian teacher, when the latter [arguably] provided a much more\nvalueable service and therefore would be the greater loss to society.\nThis was an emotionally compelling argument, but even the proponents of\nthat viewpoint appeared to tacitly assume that the state should judge\nsome lives as being more valuable than others on the basis of their\n"contribution to society." I view that doctrine as being both (a)\npersonally repugnant and (b) repugnant to the Equal Protection clause of\nthe 14th Amendment.\n\nAccordingly, I believe that there should be no laws which give any\nprofession-based class of people special protection (via the mechanism\nof supplying stronger statutory deterrence of crimes against members of\nthat class), not even police officers, federal officers or high-ranking\nmembers of the Executive Branch of the federal government.\n\n-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>\n\n',
"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.175557.20296@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:\n\n>Sorry to insult your homestate, but coming from where I do, Wisconsin\n>is _very_ backwards. I was never able to understand that people actually\n>held such bigoted and backwards views until I came here.\n\nI have never been to Wisconsin, though I have been to\nneighbor Minnesota. Being a child of the Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA)\nI found that there were few states in the provences that stood\nout in this youngster's mind: California, Texas, and Florida to \nname the most obvious three. However, both Minnesota and Wisconsin\nstuck out, solely on the basis of their politics. Both have \nalways translated to extremely liberal and progressive states.\nAnd my recent trip to Minnestoa last summer served to support that\nstate's reputation. My guess is that Wisconsin is probably the\nsame. At least that was the impression the people of Minnesota left\nwith me about their neighbors.\n\nThe only question in my head about Wisconsin, though, is \nwhether or not there is a cause-effect relationship between\ncheese and serial killers :)\n\n-jim halat\n",
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: japanese moon landing?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:\n>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention\n>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just\n>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.\n\nTheir Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric\nEarth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit\nusing some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that\nit would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as\na stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall\nhearing recently that it was about to happen.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
"From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121)\nSubject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently\nNntp-Posting-Host: st83.ericsson.se\nReply-To: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se\nOrganization: Ericsson Telecom AB\nLines: 50\n\nIn article 2211@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Mar20.050303.8401@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:\n>\n>|> Q: What is Ka band radar? Where is it used? Should a radar detector be\n>|> able to handle it? \n>|> \n>|> A: Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US\n>|> in so-called photo-radar installations. In these installations, a\n>|> low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the\n>|> direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the\n>|> radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit.\n>|> Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle. Because of the low\n>|> power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar\n>|> detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit,\n>|> although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such\n>|> capability anyway. The number of locales where photo-radar is in use\n>|> is limited, and some question the legality of such units. Best advice:\n>|> learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they\n>|> are used (or else, don't speed.)\n>\n>Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving \n>violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a \n>rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long\n>as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally\n>or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does.\n>The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent. \n>I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would \n>stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist \n>way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety.\n>\n>- BK\n>\n\n\nWe had those f*****g photo-radar things here in Sweden a while ago.\nThere was a lot of fuzz about them, and a lot of sabotage too (a spray-can\nwith touch-up paint can do a lot of good...).\n\nEventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court-cases\nwhere the owner of the car could prove he didn't drive it at the time\nof speeding.\n\nI especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car-thief that\nhad stolen a car and made false plates. He, ofcourse, chose a license number\nof a identical car, so the photo seemed correct...\n\nIn conclosion: Photo-radar sucks, every way you look at it!\n\n/ Markus \n",
'From: koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc)\nSubject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems\nOrganization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University\nLines: 32\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rize.ece.orst.edu\n\n> Problem 1\n> \n> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the \n> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary \n> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. \n> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, \n> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third \n> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were \n> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from \n> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the \nmassacre.\n> \n\nAnswer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760\n\nCorollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all,\n they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)\nSubject: FORSALE: RADIUS Precision Color 24x Video Card\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsrc13.col.hp.com\n\n I have a Radius Precision Color 24x video card for the Mac that fits in a \nNuBus slot. The card has 3 Mb of VRAM on it, which means that 24-bit color \nis possible on the card! The card supports just about any monitor scan\nrate you can think of (I used it at 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, but it\ncan go higher). You can switch resolutions and depth on the fly with a\nsoftware control panel.\n\n This is the ACCELERATED version of the card, which means all QuickDraw \ncalls are not executed by the CPU but taken over by the video card, freeing\nup the mac processor for other tasks. \n\n The cheapest I could find this card for when I called around last night\nwas $1738 at Mac's Place. I will sell it for $1250 + shipping. It is just\nover a year old and never been any problem. It comes with software and the\noriginal manuals.\n\n Hurry!\n\nChris Magnuson\nchrism@col.hp.com\nHewlett-Packard Company\n(719) 590-2963\n",
'From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)\nSubject: Re: Young Catchers\nArticle-I.D.: blue.8007\nOrganization: Department of Industrial Engineering\nLines: 81\n\nmss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:\n>In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n>>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:\n>>>\n>>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact\n>>>in the bigs, especially when they haven\'t even played AAA ball. \n>>\n>>Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You\'re talking about averages, when we\n>>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our\n>>decisions on.\n>\n>Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really?\n\nI don\'t personally, but Clay just posted it. Yes, we do. \n\nUnfortunately, it shows that Lopez wasn\'t as good an example as Nieves would\nhave been, since his last year numbers were out of line with the previous\nyears (which I didn\'t have access to).\n\nThe point remains, though; knowing a guy\'s minor league history is as good\nas knowing his major league history, if you know how to read it.\n\n>>Why isn\'t Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after\n>>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an\n>>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot.\n>\n>I don\'t know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or \n>exceed their MLE\'s *in their rookie season*? We\'re talking about\n>1993, you know.\n\nThe MLE is not a *projection*, it\'s an *equivalence*. It\'s a "this is how\nwell he hit *last* year, in major league terms" rating. So, in essence, he\nhas *already* reached it. I would guess (Bob? Clay?) that essentially half\nof all players surpass their previous MLEs in their rookie seasons. Maybe\nmore than half, since all of these players are young and improving.\n\n>If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting \n>acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price\n>that season. \n\nDid they? Offerman may have been the difference between 4th or 5th place\nand last place, but no more.\n\n>Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road.\n>Do you really think they would have done what they did if they\n>were competing for a pennant?\n\nSure; they didn\'t have anyone better. I suppose they might have gutted the\nfarm system to acquire Jay Bell or Spike Owen or somebody if they were really\nin contention. \n\n>>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he\n>>hadn\'t done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager\n>>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him\n>>down "until he gets warmed up".\n>\n>For a stat-head, I\'m amazed that you put any credence in spring\n>training. \n\nIf you\'d read what I wrote, you\'d be less amazed. Nowhere do I claim to put\nany credence in spring training. Quite the contrary; I said that Lopez hadn\'t\ndone anything that even the bozos who *do* put credence in spring training\ncould interpret as "failure". Just because I think spring training numbers\nare meaningless doesn\'t mean that Bobby Cox does; it\'s just a case of ruling\nout one possible explanation for sending Lopez down.\n\n>>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, \n>>\n>>Just like Keith Mitchell did?\n>\n>Wait a minute. I missed something here. \n\nKeith Mitchell did very very well at AA, AAA, and the majors over a season,\nthen did very, very poorly for a year in AAA.\n\n\n-- \n David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes\n posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands\n e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose\'s)\n dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands\n',
"From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)\nSubject: Re: Conductive Plastic, what happened?\nOrganization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT\nLines: 7\n\nIf you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe\ncontau\x08iners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with\na resistance less than 10 to the fouth\x08\x08rth power ohms per cubic measure\nis classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02\n($0.016 US).\n\nBob.\n",
"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)\nSubject: Re: transparent widgets--how?\nReply-To: klee@synoptics.com\nOrganization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com\n\nIn article AA16720@ntep2.ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp, cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) writes:\n>I need to write an application which does annotation notes\n>on existing documents. The annotation could be done several\n>times by different people. The idea is something like having\n>several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other\n>so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen\n>something like this being done by the oclock client.\n>Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt?\n>Thank you very much.\n\nThe oclock widget was written using the SHAPE extension.\nYou can do the same in your widgets. Few current widgets\nsupport SHAPE, so you'll have to subclass them to add that\nfunctionality.\n\n---\nKen Lee, klee@synoptics.com\n",
'Subject: WIN/DOS Misc. Software\nFrom: michael.leonard@exchange.wyvern.com (Michael Leonard)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: EXCHANGE BBS *21 Nodes* Tidewaters "Window to the World" 14.4bis (804)552-1010\nLines: 75\n\n Help me make money for a new modem\n $180.00 takes it ALL\n\n ***** SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED IN PRICE *****\n\n * All original documentation & disks are include.\n Some software unregistered, others will have letter for transfer\n of ownership.\n\n * Will sell software seperately, purchase must be greater than\n $30.00.\n\n * Purchases over $60.00 get choice of two (2) software selections\n with "*" footnote\n\n W - Windows 3.x version\n D - DOS version\n R - Registered (letter of transfer)\n U - Unregistered\n * - Special offer\n\nMS Windows 3.0\nMS Windows 3.0 Resource Kit (bound ed.). . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 WR\n\nNorton Desktop for Windows 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WR\n\nMS Excel 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 70.00 WR\n Gateway 2000 version (all docs & disks MS)\n This is the real thing, it only shipped\n with my computer!!\n\nMicroCourier 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WU\n Communucations software\n\nMS Entertainment Pack I. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 10.00*WR\n\nMicroProse\'s Gunship 2000 (VGA only). . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DU\n\nLinks 386-PRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 25.00 DR\n Includes Bountiful Golf Course\n\nWing Commander II\n(Vengeance of the Kilrathi!). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DR\n\nF-15 Strike Eagle II. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR\n\nRisk (EGA). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 8.00*DU\n\nEasyFlow 6.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 35.00 DU\n Brand new - Never used\n\nQuicken 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 DR\n\nFranklin Language Master. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR\n Not a spell checker, but a dictionary\n TSR that pops up for any DOS app.\n Each word has direct link to the thesaurus\n\nIBM DOS 4.00. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR\n\n TOTAL. . . . . $313.00\n - DISCOUNT. . . .$133.00\n -------\n YOUR COST. . . $180.00\n\n\n\n\n\nCall Michael @ (804) 486-7018 any day between 10a & 10p est. or leave\nE-mail. Thanks!\n\n \n---\nþ VbReader V1.4 þ*** BUSH Presidency ABORTED - RECOVERY Hopeful!!! ***\n',
'From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 4.\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 87\n\nNote: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the\n_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television\nstation, KTVB Channel 7.\n\nRandy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 4.\n\nFriday, April 16, 1993 was the fourth day of the trial.\n\nSynopsis: Defense attorney Gerry Spence cross-examined agent\nCooper under repeated objections from prosecutor Ronald\nHowen. Spence moved for a mistrial but was denied.\n\nThe day was marked by a caustic cross-examination of Deputy\nMarshal Larry Cooper by defense attorney Gerry Spence. Although\nSpence has not explicitly stated so, one angle of his stategy\nmust involve destroying the credibility of agent Cooper. Cooper is\nthe government\'s only eyewitness to the death of agent Degan.\nSpence attacked Cooper\'s credibility by pointing out discrepancies\nbetween Cooper\'s statements last September and those made in court.\nCooper conceded that, "You have all these things compressed into\na few seconds...It\'s difficult to remember what went on first."\n\nCooper acknowledged that he carried a "9mm Colt Commando submachine\ngun with a silenced barrel." [I thought a Colt Commando was a revolver!]\nCooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific\nplans to use the weapon when they started to kill Weaver\'s dog.\n\nWhen Spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by Degan\'s\nM-16 rifle when Degan was apparently dead, Cooper could not say for\nsure that Degan did not return fire before going down.\n\nSpence continued by asking with how many agents (and to what extent)\nhad Cooper discussed last August\'s events, Cooper responded, "If\nyou\'re implying that we got our story together, you\'re wrong,\ncounselor." Spence continued to advance the defense\'s version of\nthe events: Namely, that a marshal had started the shooting by\nkilling the Weaver\'s dog. Cooper disagreed.\n\nAssistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Howen repeatedly objected to Spence\'s\nvirulent cross-examination of agent Cooper, arguing that the questions\nwere repetitive and Spence was wasting time. Howen also complained \nthat Spence was improperly using a cross-examination to advance the\ndefense\'s version of the events. U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge\nsustained many of the objections; however, both lawyers persisted\nuntil Judge Lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to\nadmonish both attorneys. "I\'m not going to play games with either\ncounsel. This has been a personality problem from day 1, so start\nacting like professionals."\n\nSpence told the judge that, "When all the evidence is in, we\'ll see\nthat ... his [agent Larry Cooper] testimony is not credible, that\nhe was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events." \nSpence continued, "We\'re going to find...that there is a very unlikely\nsimilarity - almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter - between\nthe testimony of Mr. Cooper and the other witnesses."\n\nSpence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that Howen\'s repeated\nobjections would prevent a fair trial, "We can\'t have a fair trial if the\njury believes I\'m some sort of charlatan, if the jury believes I\'m\nbending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that I\'m\nviolating court orders."\n\nJudge Lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of Howen\'s\nobjections had somehow prejudiced the jury was "preposterous" and\ndenied the motion for a mistrial. Lodge did tell Howen to restrict\nhis comments when objecting.\n\nThe trial resumed with the prosecution calling FBI Special Agent Greg\nRampton. The prosecution\'s purpose was simply to introduce five\nweapons found in the cabin as evidence: However, the defense seized\non the opportunity to further address Cooper\'s credibility.\n\nDefense attorney Ellison Matthews (Harris\' other attorney) questioned\nRampton about the dog. Rampton stated that there were no specific\nplans to kill the Weaver\'s dog without being detected. Matthews then\nhad Rampton read a Septtember 15, 1992 transcript in which Rampton\nhad said that Cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon\nwas to kill the dog without being detected, if the dog chased them.\nRampton then acknowledged that he believed that Cooper had said that,\nbut he could not remember when. He then stated that, "I did not conduct\nthe primary interview with Deputy Cooper, but I have had conversations\nwith him since the interview was conducted."\n\nMonday, April 19, 1993 will begin the fifth day of the trial. Scheduled\nis the continued cross-examination of FBI agent Greg Rampton.\n\n\n',
'From: daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS)\nSubject: Re: Integra GSR\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.234729.100387\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J\non Cochran) writes:\n>> > I\'d like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt\n>> >anyday, and it\'s a lot cheaper to boot\n>>\n>> I will take this one with a definate grain of salt. Performance data shows a\n>>\n>> If this poster has some proof(other than "my friend blew one away last week"\n>\n>\n> Want proof? Here is some data on acceleration and handling from\n>Motor Trend (apr \'93).\n>\n> Integra GS-R Beretta GTZ\n>\n>0-60 7.7 7.7\n>1/4 mile 16.0/88.1 16.1/87.8\n>L acc (g\'s) .84 .86\n>Slalom 63.7 68.4\n>***WRONG***\nWhy don\'t you look again at Motor Trend\'s, slalom times, they are 67.9, right\nalong with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that\nare all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than\na Beretta.\nYour acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine\nRoad & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.\nAlso Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1\nYou can\'t tell exactly by the numbers. Furthermore, the Integra will\ndefinately outrun the Beretta on the high end. Car & Driver and Road & track\nhave the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast.\n\n\n> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep\n>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top\n>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the\n>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).\n***You always believe those exact numbers, why don\'t you drive a GS-R, and see\nfor your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000\nrpm make up for the difference (still wouldn\'t call it a torque moster though!)\n\n> The biggest advantage would have to be the price. The Integra costs\n>$19,111 (as tested Motor Trend), the GTZ costs $16,134 (as tested). The\n>GTZ also has standard nicities and Airbag and Antilock brakes. An airbag\n>is not available on the Integra and lower models do not have ABS.\n>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4\n>is a reliable engine, it doesn\'t make sense to get the Integra as a\n>performance coupe, which is what people have been trying to make it out\n>to be.\n>\n\nQuad 4 reliable, yeah, what\'s your definition of reliable- if that\'s reliable,\nthen its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect\n (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine\n wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,\nand you\'ll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak\nfrom expierence!)\nI\'m not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don\'t highlight reliability when you\ncomparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a\nbetter investment since it will hold its value considerably much better. And\ndoes a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time.\n\nNOTE: this isn\'t a flame on the GTZ, or other GM Quad 4 products. THe Berreta\nis a nice car, and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable\nprice not to mention, it has an Airbag. But to start quoting figures from one\nsource, isn\'t too reliable. Read other sources, and drive both cars. While I\nhaven\'t driven a GTZ, I have driven GTs, and Grand Ams with Quad 4 engines,\n(so they are similair.)\n',
'From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)\nSubject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 23\n\ndil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:\n\n>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this\n>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on \n>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors\n>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup.\n>I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors\n>in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible\n>quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs.\n>What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50.\n>Thx Dave L\n\nMight the problem not be with the video monitor instead? Many of our\nmonitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors.\n\n-- \n Peter Goudswaard _________ _________\n goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\\__ | |\n pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \\ / | |\n pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\\_\\ /_/\\_ | |\n | | > < | |\n "There\'s no gift like the present" | >_________< | |\n - Goudswaard\'s observation |_________| | |_________|\n',
"From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)\nSubject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion\nIn-Reply-To: rwert@well.sf.ca.us's message of 21 Apr 93 01:07:56 GMT\nOrganization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center\nReply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov\nDistribution: na\nLines: 22\n\n\nIn article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:\n\n I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.\n This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride\n (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, \n fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).\n\nI'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something\nmuch mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.\nThat particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of\nthing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.\n\nOnce you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do\nsomething longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road\nlike Mines-Mt. Hamilton.\n\nIn any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she\nhas proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport\nriding.\n\n- Eric\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:\n>My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no\n>medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.\n>\n>My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate\n>their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature,\n\nMorphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain\nthat severe. Obviously, she\'ll need a prescription to get such drugs.\nCan\'t she go to the county hospital or something?\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)\nSubject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 14\n\nJohn Berryhill, Ph.D. writes\n\n>I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses\n>while driving. \n\numm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant,\nfundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of\nus try very hard to be discreet and stay alert.\n\n--\nPeter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!\nAcademic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...\nUniversity of Virginia | Companion keyboard.\npmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho\n",
"From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu\nSubject: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!!\nOrganization: Texas A&M University\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu\n\n Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into\na wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and\nthe code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using\nforms a rectangular grid.\n Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this\nis a general interest question.\n Thank you!!!!!!\n",
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series)\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: na\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5JqBy.M7A@news.rich.bnr.ca> bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes:\n>RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You\n>can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:\n>\n>\tThe team that scores more runs wins the game!\n>\t---------------------------------------------\n>\n>Flame Away\n\nSo what does that have to do with RBI\'s? The team with the most RBI\'s\ndoesn\'t necessarily win the game.\n\nYes, runs are the most important statistice -- for a *team*. (So why does\nevery newspaper rank team offense by batting average?)\n\nBut for an individual player, runs and RBIs are context-dependent, and tell\nus very little about the player himself, and more about his teammates and\nposition in the batting order.\n-- \nted frank | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I\'m sorry, the card says "Moops."\nthe u of c law school | \nstandard disclaimers | \n',
'From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw)\nSubject: Newsgroup Split\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po.engin.umich.edu\n\nConcerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of\ndoing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading\nthis group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5\ndifferent groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts\na week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum\nfor discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?\nJust curious.\n\n\nDaemon\n\n',
'From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee)\nSubject: S3 86c805 w/2MB = 1024x768x32k colors = Orchid Pipe Dream?\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 36\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu\n\nHi\n\tI have an Orchid Fahrenheit VLB with 2MB of DRAM. It is an S3\n86c805 based card. I had a problem for a while after installing my\nsecond meg of DRAM for the video, and thanks to Orchid, I got a fix\nfrom their tech support (it was jumper settings not given in the\nordinary manual. I assume it would come with memory ordered from\nthem, so I guess I should be glad they didn\'t just say "Buy the memory\nfrom us" or something like that.)\n\n\tThe one thing that I was puzzled by was why there was not a\n1024x768x32k color mode on the thing, either in full screen or\nenlarged desktop mode. My ATI Ultra Plus can handle that, given 2MB\nof memory. All the 2MB buys you on the Fahrenheit is 1280x1024x256.\nJust ONE more mode. GEEZ. Had I known, I wouldn\'t have bothered. I\nasked them why, and all I got was "Your point is well taken, but\nOrchid\'s software developers are busy with other projects."\n\n\tSo, to get to the point, finally, ARE there any s3 86c805\ndrivers out there that can handle high res hicolor modes? I\'d love to\nget another card, but perhaps it will have to wait until the next\ngeneration of cards comes out, since this card came bundled with my\nsystem and it\'s not so easy to exchange these things unless they\'re\nbroken.\n\n\tIf you want these modes, steer away from Orchids s3 86c805\ncards (ie. VLB or VA/VLB), at least until their developers are "less\nbusy". If the magazines are to believed, I\'ve only seen one s3 86c805\nproduct thus far which can handle 1024x768x32k color (Genoa?),\nalthough evenn that might be a misprint.\n\n\tPlease, if there are generic or semi-generic drivers out\nthere, let me know where I can get them. 800x600x32k is OK, but I\ncoulda gotten that with my ATI VGA Wonder XL.\n\nThanks.\ndonyee@athena.mit.edu\n',
'Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3)\n <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony\nMichael Jivoin) says:\n>\n>With the "HAWK", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the\n>east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to\n>the park each day.\n>\n\ntoo bad he doesn\'t bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n',
'From: Robert Andrew Ryan <rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <BUZZ.93Apr19125438@lion.bear.com>\n\nExcerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 19-Apr-93 Monthly Question about\nXCop.. Buzz Moschetti@bear.com (1055) \n\n> A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the\n> Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() \n> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the\n> new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler\n> that handles "regular" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven\n> exposures) take care of rendering the new image. \n\nHmmm.... Clearly? Depends on your programming model. It is not at all\nforbidden to draw outside the context of an expose event. Certainly any\ninternal data structures should be maintained such that the visual\nappearance would be maintained properly whenever an expose event happens\nto be generated. This doesn\'t preclude drawing immediately after\nupdating the datastructures though... \n\n-Rob \n \n',
'From: littaum@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)\nSubject: Final Public Dragon Magazine Update (Last chance for public bids)\nKeywords: Dragon Magazine Auction Bid\nArticle-I.D.: leela.1qs7o4$c2r\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.\nLines: 170\nNNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu\n\nThis is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction. If there\nare no new bids then the current bids stand (like that\'s gonna happen. :) ).\nAfter this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*. The entire auction \nwill end as soon as the bids stop coming in. So if you want to get in\non this, be sure to bid now. All bids must be made in *AT LEAST*\n25 cent increments. Buyer will pay shipping. (Unless you have any\nparticular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of\npadding). \nAll dragons are bagged. The condition of them vary quite a bit, \nso I\'ve come up with my own condition system. Some dragons may be missing \nitems like the inserts. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.\n*\nCondition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as\nmost of the material inside is in great shape.\nExcellent - IE-"As you find them in the store"\nVery Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it\'s been boughten\nGood - On down the line\nVery Fair/fair - indicates lots of use (But still "decent")\nPoor - Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by\nscissors). \nA * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is \nmissing (usually the insert)\nI\'ll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the\nfinal public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until\nthe bidding stops)\n*\nAgain if you have any questions, ask away.\n*\narrow $2.50 056 - Fair *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes - \nreal maps\nTN.DE7 $3.0 073 - Good - Forest of Doom module (detached but \nincluded) - inner planes\nykchev $1.75 074 - Good *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons \nTN.DE7 $1.50 078 - Good/VG - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached \nbut included) - Language lesson\ngeoffrey $1.50 079 - Good/VG - top secret module (detached but \nincluded) - magic resistance\nmayla $2.50 081 - Fair - High level AD&D module (detached but \nincluded) - poison - material spell components\nUCCXKVB $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell \nresearch\nTN.DE7 $1.50 083 - Good/VG - Babba Yagga\'s Hut module (detached but \nincluded) - unarmed combat\ngeoffrey $1.50 084 - Fair *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module\nsquidly $1.75 085 - Good - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics\nsquidly $1.75 087 - Good - Top secret module - Wildernes\ngeoffrey $1.50 088 - Good *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling \ndamage - MARVEL-Phile\ngeoffrey $1.50 089 - Good *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi\nTN.DE7 $1.5 094 - Good - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II \n(detached but included)\ngeoffrey $1.50 095 - Fair *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms \nmodule, detached but included\nykcheu $2.75 098 - Fair - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual\nUCCXKVB $1.75 099 - Poor *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some \npictures cut out\nthedm $2.50 100 - Good *- poster missing - city beyond the gate \nmodule (detached but included) - "raised dragon" texture on cover\ngeoffrey $1.50 101 - Fair *- Cover missing - creature catalog III \n(detached but included)\ngeoffrey $1.50 102 - Fair *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother \nmiddle level module (detached but included)\ngeoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana \nupdate missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers\ngeoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Unearth arcana update missing \ngeoffrey $1.50 104 - Fair/VF - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached \nbut included \ngeoffrey $1.50 105 - Fair - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back \ncover detached but included \nUCCXKVB $2.00 106 - Fair - Cover 1/2 on - variations of paladins - \nmore skills 4 rangers\nykcheu $2.75 106 - Good/VG - Variations of paladins - more skills for \nrangers \narrow $2.50 107 - Fair *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory \nsupplement/questionaire\ngeoffrey $1.50 108 - Good - Mutant manual II - environmental \neffects - cover taped reinforced\nthedm $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects \nykcheu $2.25 109 - Good - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster\ngeoffrey $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster \nmissing\ngeoffrey $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv\nsquidly $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv\ngeoffrey $1.50 111 - Good - Murder Mystery AD&D module\nykcheu $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters\nmayla $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class\nykcheu $1.75 115 - Good - Theives - harpies & snakes\nsquidly $1.75 116 - Good/VG - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild \nanimals - dr who\nUCCXKVB $2.50 117 - Good/VG - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage \nadvice - bazaar\ngeoffrey $1.50 118 - Good - Tournaments/Competitions - Nibar\'s keep game\nUCCXKVB $2.00 120 - VG/EX - April fool\'s issue\nUCCXKVB $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle \ninsert\ngeoffrey $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids\nUCCXKVB $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry\nthedm $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry\narrow $2.5 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire\nUCCXKVB $2.25 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire\ngeoffrey $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals\ngeoffrey $1.50 125 - VG/EX - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals\nUCCXKVB $2.50 126 - VG/EX - Undead\nUCCXKVB $2.00 127 - Very Good - Fighters\n2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good - King\'s Table insert game\n2FVPMANTEL $3.00 129 - Excellent - Demi-humans\nUCCXKVB $2.50 130 - VG/EX - The arcane arts\nTFPAYN01 $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth\narrow $1.5 131 - VG/EX - Deepearth\nUCCXKVB $2.0 132 - Very Good - ORCWARS! board game missing\narrow $1.5 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index\ngeoffrey $1.50 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index\n2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG/EX - 12 anniversary - Dragons \ntbh1 $2 135 - Very Good - Archers - Space sage advice\nUCCXKVB $2.0 135 - Very Good - Archers - Space Sage advice\ntbh1 $4.0 136 - Very Good - Cities & Urban adventures\ntbh1 $3 137 - Excellent - Wilderness\narrow $1.5 138 - Very Good - Horror (Haloween)\nUCCXKVB $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages\nUCCXKVB $3.5 140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers\ntbh1 $3 141 - Good - Humanoids\ntbh1 $2 142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview\nUCCXKVB $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM\'s issue\nUCCXKVB $2.00 145 - Very Good*- Poster missing - castles\nthedm $2.5 146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons\ntbh1 $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic\ntbh1 $3.5 148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert\nTN.DE7 $2.0 149 - Excellent - (No particular feature)\nTN.DE7 $2.00 150 - Excellent - Horror (Halloween issue)\nTN.DE7 $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures/Eastern \nTN.DE7 $2.00 152 - Good *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside-\nslight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection\nTN.DE7 $2.0 153 - Very Good - Gods\nTN.DE7 $1.75 154 - Good/VG - Poster - Dragonlance story - War\nTN.DE7 $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module\nTN.DE7 $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers\nthedm $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons\nUCCXKVB $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing\nkohlmaas $2.00 160 - Good/VG *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card \ninsert missing\nUCCXKVB $2.25 161 - Very Good - DM issue\nTN.DE7 $1.75 162 - Good - Haloween - Poster missing\nthedm $2.0 163 - Excellent - Monsterous compendum insert - Magic\nTN.DE7 $2.0 164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures\nTN.DE7 $1.75 165 - VG/EX - Sea/Undersea\nTN.DE7 $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert \nmissing\nTN.DE7 $1.75 167 - Excellent - Nature/Wilderness\nUCCXKVB $2.5 169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc \nitems featured\nthedm $2.5 170 - Good - Slight crease in cover - Dragon kings game \ninsert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue\nUCCXKVB $2.00 171 - Excellent*- Missing poster & trading cards (ARGH!)\nCfrye $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark\nhachiman $2 173 - Excellent - Dark Sun\nintravai $2 174 - Excellent - Horror\nintravai $3.00 175 - Excellent - World building - Campaign help\nTN.DE7 $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside\nTN.DE7 $1.5 177 - Very Good - Calender poster - DM help (gunpowder too)\nintravai $3.0 178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class\nTN.DE7 $2.50 179 - Excellent - GENCON form - Magic items featured\nTN.DE7 $2.50 181 - Excellent - Calendar Poster - Mages/Sorcerors\nTN.DE7 $2.50 182 - Excellent - 16 anniversary issue - Dragons\nTN.DE7 $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement\nTN.DE7 $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun\ngeoffrey $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror\nTN.DE7 $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors\n\nIf you notice any errors, please let me know (other than slight name \nmisspellings, if it\'s close to your name, that\'s you. :) )\n',
'From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 48\n\nResponding to the moderator:\n\n>In article <Apr.14.03.09.07.1993.5494@athos.rutgers.edu> alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) writes:\n>>\n>>Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal \n>>sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these \n>>matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them \n>>but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this\n>>that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus \n>>anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing\n>>the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the\n>>honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.\n>\n>[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own\n>ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some\n>areas of practice. But I\'d like to see more clarification about what\n>you mean when you reject the idea of saying "their specific beliefs\n>are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on\n>others." If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that\n>the belief is something about God, history, etc....\n\nYes, I agree. What I\'m trying to point out is that, in matters of faith\n(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced\nof the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal\nrevelation. And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those\nbeliefs with others. And I don\'t think that its arrogant, persay, to\naccepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself. Where I think the\nconflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs\narise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God \nmust reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would \nhonestly agree. I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone \nwho disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are \nrejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient \nfor them, or because they wish to spurn God.\n\nI would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one \nholds are universal and absolute. And the problem I see with this is \nthat it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with\nGod. This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas\nof doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or \nrevealed that truth. \n\n-- \ncomments, criticism welcome...\n-Ken\nalvin@ucsu.colorado.edu\n\n[I agree with you. --clh]\n',
'From: lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang)\nSubject: Re: Objective Values \'v\' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is)\nOrganization: Nottingham University\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <C5J718.Jzv@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) wrote:\n> In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes:\n> \n> >Science ("the real world") has its basis in values, not the other way round, \n> >as you would wish it. \n> \n> You must be using \'values\' to mean something different from the way I\n> see it used normally.\n> \n> And you are certainly using \'Science\' like that if you equate it to\n> "the real world".\n> \n> Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe\n> and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning\n> those perceptions.\n\nScience is the process of modeling the real world based on commonly agreed\ninterpretations of our observations (perceptions).\n\n> It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.\n> Values are ... well they are what I value.\n> They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience\n> rather than not, and so on.\n\nValues can also refer to meaning. For example in computer science the\nvalue of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE. Science is based on commonly agreed\nvalues (interpretation of observations), although science can result in a\nreinterpretation of these values.\n\n> Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are\n> applicable to everyone.\n\nThe values underlaying science are not objective since they have never been\nfully agreed, and the change with time. The values of Newtonian physic are\ncertainly different to those of Quantum Mechanics.\n\nSteve Lang\nSLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK\n',
'From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ)\nSubject: Re: Searching for a phonetic font\nOrganization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam\nLines: 23\n\nweidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes:\n: I\'m searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If \n: anybody knows one, please mail me!\n: \n: Thanks.\n: \n: dw \n: \n: \n: ##################################################################\n: Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 #\n: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 #\n: Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: "Koennten Sie das #\n: Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?" << #\n\nYes, I\'m looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one,\nplease mail me too!\n\nThanks in advance\nPatrick Hudepohl\nVU Amsterdam\nThe Netherlands\n\n',
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SOLD 400 TONES OF ARMENIAN BONES IN 1924. \nKeywords: April 24, 1993, 78th Anniversary of the Turkish Genocide of Armenians\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 68\n\n\t\t\tYarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]\n\t\n\t\tCopyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company\n\t\t\tSpecial Cable to The New York Times\n\n PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in\nthat port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a\nmysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.\nThe bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and\nto be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the\nrumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.\n\n\t\t\t- - - Reference - - -\n\n[1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)\n\n\t\t\t- - - - - - - - - - - -\n\nOn the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians,\nwe remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an \nemerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice.\n\nIn April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed \nde-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a \ngenocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively\nruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The \nresult: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen\nand plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization\non those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any\nvestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today\'s Turkish\ngovernmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture\ndistortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In \nthe face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies \nshamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy \nmerely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state \npolicy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a \ncrime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the \nsuccessful genocide of the Armenians.\n\nTurkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet...\nArmenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of \nTurkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as \n"rebels".\n\nTurkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...Turkish population\nfigures today show zero Armenians in eastern Turkey, the Armenian homeland.\n\nTurkey claims Armenians were always a small minority, yet...Turkey claims \nArmenians were a "threat".\n\nIn a final insult to the victims, the Republic of Turkey sold the bones of \napproximately 100,000 murdered Armenians for profit to Europe.\n\nToday, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. The\nsuccess of this genocide is hangs over the heads of Turkey\'s Kurdish\npopulation.\n\nThe Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and\nproperty lost as a result of this genocide.\n\nARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the \nP.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93\nCambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal \n',
'From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic?\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 32\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nforgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:\n> From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com \n> (Jon Livesey):\n> > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why\n> > are so many children dying all over the world?\n> \n> The majority of the world isn\'t "Western".\n\nSuperficially a good answer, but it isn\'t that simple. An awful lot of the\nstarvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic\npolicies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical\nWesterner. For instance, some third-world countries with terrible\nmalnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can\nbe fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers. They\nhave to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans\nwe encouraged them to take out. Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre\nidea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they\'ve got.\n\nPerhaps it\'s more accurate to say that there\'s a Western ethic against\nWestern infanticide. All the evidence suggests that so long as the children\nare dying in the Third World, we couldn\'t give a shit. And that goes for the\nsupposed "Pro-Life" movement, too. They could save far more lives by\nfighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against\nabortion. Hell, if they\'re only interested in fetuses, they could save more\nof those by fighting for human rights in China.\n\nAnd besides, Suzanne\'s answer implies that non-Western countries lack this\nethic against infanticide. Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory\nforced abortion in Tibet, I don\'t believe this to be the case.\n\n\nmathew\n',
"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 24\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu\n\ncdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n:mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n:\n:> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day\n:> in Texas. \n:\n:Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n\nThank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it.\nI can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.\n\nMr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart\nof the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.\n\nMike Ruff\n\n\n-- \n- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * *\nThose who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** *\n liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * *\n safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * **\n nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *\n",
"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit)\nSubject: Re: List of large integer arithmetic packages\nIn-Reply-To: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 16: 47:03 GMT\nOrganization: York U. Student Information Systems Project\nLines: 18\n\nMark Riordan writes:\n\n\t[a list of large-integer arithmetic packages elided]\n\nI thought I would note that except Lenstra's packages, none of the\nlarge-integer packages are in the public domain. As an alternative,\na straightforward *PD* implementation of Knuth's algorithms may be\nfound as a part of Uof Arizona's ICON distribution.\n\noz\n---\nWith diligence, it is possible to make | electric: oz@sis.yorku.ca\nanything run slowly. --Tom Duff | ph:[416] 736 2100 x 33976\n\n\t\t\t\n\n\n\n",
'From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: Blast them next time\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:\n\n [flame-bait, pure and simple]\n\n\n\n-- \n\n\n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups\n>>as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.\n>So, why "must" they have such laws?\n\nThe quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must."\n\nIf there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones,\netc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society\ninto chaos.\n\nkeith\n',
'From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...)\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1qpakjINNiq2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil\nliam December Starr) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,\n>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:\n>\n>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to\n>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never\n>> heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal\n>> meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine"\n>> cigarettes, pot and heroin.\n>\n>Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea\n>that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply\n>decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why\n>the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like cigarettes"\n>is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for nicotine...\n>\n\nYeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn\'t it.\n\nRyan\n',
"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)\nSubject: NEED HELP ON SCARING PLEASE\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nDistribution: sci.med\nLines: 18\n\nHi...\n\nI need information on scaring. Particularly as a result of grazing the skin\nI really wanted to know of \n\n\t1. would a scar occur as a result of grazing\n\t2. if yes, then would it disappear?\n\t3. how long does a graze take to heal?\n\t4. will hair grow on it once it has healed?\n\t5. what is 'scar tissue'?\n\t6. should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly?\n\t7. is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it?\n\nPlease help - any info - no matter how small will be appreciated greatly. \n\nBUT PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY because I dont read this newsgroup often (this\nis my first time). \n \t\t\t\t\t\t....Shaz....\n",
"From: Craig.Landgraf@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Landgraf)\nSubject: NEW CD-DISK'S\nLines: 26\n\n For CD-Disk USERS\n ----------------------\n This is NOT a COMMERCIAL AD!\n\n I have alot of NEW CD-Disks\n If You have a CDROM and are interested in purchasing\n some of these disks Please download the list mentioned below:\n\n CD NIGHT OWL'S V8.0 $35.00\n\n Download the File----> CDROMCAT.ZIP\n\n or the Freq the MAGIC NAME of----> CATALOG\n -----------------------------------------------------------\n Craig landgraf Buckwheats Pleasure Dome 713-855-1701\n INTERnet/USENET: landgraf@p2.f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org\n -----------------------------------------------------------\n PODNET 93:9008/5 FIDONET 1:106/88.1 ITCNET 85:841/803 KINKNET 69:1700/3\n SGANET 30:301/0\n BBS Number (713) 855-1701\n\nP.S. If you send me Email with Your Home Address I will mail you a list\nto your house.......The list is 12 pages long...this is if you do not\nhave a Computer that you can call and get the List faster.....\n\n\n",
'From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: Spark Plug question?\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <mgolden.733994052@cwis> mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:\n> The nice thing about REAL platinum plugs is that you don\'t have to change\n>them very often at all. (I think like 50,000 miles!!) They might cost $10\n>each, but they would save for themselves in the long run.\n\nMy T-Bird SC\'s manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi.\nWal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these "real"\nplatinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my \'80 Fiesta and my dad\nhad \'em in his \'84 Bronco--note the keyword "had." They didn\'t last\nvery long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced.\nI agree that they weren\'t the greatest.)\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu \nDISCLAIMER: I\'m not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...\'89 T-Bird SC\n "It\'s a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he\'s ever gonna have." \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"\n',
'From: wirehead@cheshire.oxy.edu (David J. Harr)\nSubject: Any Nanao 750i compatible Mac video cards?\nSummary: I can get ehe monitor, but can I drive it?\nKeywords: 21" monitor, 24 bit video, Macintosh\nOrganization: The programmers who say NEE!\nLines: 15\n\nDoes anyone know if a Nanao 750i is compatible with any\npopular Mac video cards? I have an oppurtunity to get a brand\nnew one, cheap, and I am very tempted, but it will be a waste\nof time if I can\'t drive it using a standard video card.\n\nWhile I\'m on the subject, what\'s everybody\'s reccomendations for\na 21" color monitor. I\'ve heard good things about the NEC 6FG, and\nof course, there is always the reliable old Macintosh 21" display,\nbut what are YOUR experiences.\n\nDavid J Harr\nCyberpunk Software.\n\n"My definition of happiness is being famous for your financial\nability to indulge in every form of excess." -- Calvin\n',
"From: tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell)\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nArticle-I.D.: lynx.1993Apr15.222023.1521\nOrganization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5HFr2.CpA@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>\n>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the\n>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights.\n\nI don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been\nconvicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite\nsufficient.\n\n\t\t\tTom\n",
'From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nOrganization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.\nLines: 29\n\nIn <ednclark.734054731@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:\n\n>cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:\n\n>>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards\n>>depression? You can\'t just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation \n>>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and \n>>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. \n>>At best it\'s a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people \n>>experience. \n\n[...]\n>Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society\n>are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the\n>panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one\n>things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not\n>due solely to sex out of marriage.\n\nNote that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the\nnuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex. I specifically\nsaid that it was "a prime cause" of this, not "the prime cause" or "the\nonly cause" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors\ntoo, but I think that extra-marital sex and subsequent destabilization\nof the family is probably a significant factor to the rise in\npsychological problems, including depression, in the West in the 20th\ncentury.\n\n Fred Rice\n darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au \n',
'From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov\nSubject: Re: NASA "Wraps"\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 86\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <1993Apr10.145502.28866@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes...\n>In article <9APR199318394890@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:\n> \n>>>BTW, universities do the same thing. They however, have a wrap of\n>>>10% to 15% (again, this is over and above any overhead charge).\n> \n>>Wrong Allen. The max overhead charge is ALL of the charge. There is no\n>>seperately budgeted overhead in any shape size form or fashion. \n> \n>A professor at the University of Virginia told me their wrap was about\n>15%. The subcontracts I have let out and worked on for other universities\n>are about the same. My employer (a non-profit research institute) does\n>the same. This is generally reffered to as the fee.\n> \n\nI don\'t care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single\nline item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as\nwrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at \nMarquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or\nEmbry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance\nthat I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our\nUniversity who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did\nnot happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead\nto be a legitimate charge.\n\n>>How do \n>>I know? I write proposals and have won contracts and I know to the dime\n>>what the charges are. At UAH for example the overhead is 36.6%.\n> \n>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your\n>costing people how much fee they add to a project.\n>\n\nI did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that\nany percentage number like this is included in the overhead.\n\n>>If you have some numbers Allen then show them else quit barking. \n> \n>I did Dennis; read the article. To repeat: an internal estimate done by\n>the Reston costing department says Freedom can be built for about $1.8B\n>a year and operated for $1B per year *IF* all the money where spent on\n>Freedom. Since we spend about half a billion $$ more per year it looks\n>like roughly 25% of the money is wasted. Now if you think I\'m making\n>this up, you can confirm it in the anonymous editorial published a few\n>weeks ago in Space News.\n>\n\nNo Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee\nof the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont\nbetter or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on.\nKinda funny isn\'t it that someone who talks about a problem like this is\nat a place where everything is overhead.\n\n>This Dennis, is why NASA has so many problems: you can\'t accept that\n>anything is wrong unless you can blame it on Congress. Oh, sure, you\'ll\n>say NASA has problems but do you believe it? Remember the WP 02\n>overrun? You insisted it was all congresses fault when NASA management\n>knew about the overrun for almost a year yet refused to act. Do you\n>still blame Congress for the overrun?\n>\n\nWhy did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally\ndemanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being \nselective with the facts again.\n\n>>By your own numbers Allen, at a cost of 500 million per flight the\n>>service cost of flying shuttle to SSF is 2 billion for four flights, so how\n>>did you get your one billion number?\n> \n>I have no idea what your trying to say here Dennis.\n> \n> Allen\n>-- \n\nIf it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost\nof 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your\n"friend" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it\nfor a billion a year "if the wrap were gone". This merely points out a \nblatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.\n\nDennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville.\n\nSorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going\nto have to do Allen\'s math for him for a while. I will have little chance to\ndo so.\n\n',
'From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)\nSubject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323\nOrganization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics\nDistribution: na\nLines: 1\n\n\n',
'From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland)\nSubject: Re: Help\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n>Hi everyone, \n>\t I\'m a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know\n>that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet\n>hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying\' You fools,\n>do you still think that just believing is enough?\'\n\nsome deleted\n\n>Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)\n>as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James\n>in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being \'spat-out\'\n>\n>Can anyone help me, this really bothers me.\n\nDear Will,\n\nI\'ve never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok.\nI had a few thoughts!:\n\n"Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead" - James 2:17\n\nFaith is both belief and action.\nIf I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a\nswimmer? and will people believe that I am?\nLikewise if I say I\'m a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a\nChristian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to\nGod proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him!\n\nIn a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6\nv3 says "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands"\nI find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that \'if we have\ncome to know Him, then we\'ll obey His commands\' cos He lives within us and\nwe cannot help but obey what He says.\nI tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing\nus into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically\nproduced in our lives.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nJames Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk)\n',
'From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar)\nSubject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only\nOrganization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia\nLines: 46\nNNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au\n\nIn article <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:\n>The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and\n>tell people, you are likely to go to jail.\n\nI don\'t find this a credible argument, for two reasons. One you have\nsupplied below: unless I care about entering the USA at any time in the\nfuture (eg. the Taiwanese backyard cloners - who BTW have been known to\ndecap custom silicon and reproduce it on daughterboards when pirating\nhigh-profit arcade machines and the like - who wouldn\'t care less), I am not \ngoing to care much about US confidentiality, am I? Only people like the\nreal me, who does care about travelling to various countries for business\nreasons, will sit up and follow laws like this, but I would contend that\nwe\'re not the main threat.\n\nI also have grave doubts whether an algorythm widely distributed in silicon\ncould possibly be called "classified." It\'s like handing out military\nsecrets to the whole world in envelopes marked "don\'t open me." I can\nimagine several credible defences which could be employed if it came to\na trial. One would be the stupidity of the government\'s actions.\n\n>Perhaps some foreign governments or corporations could help us out by\n>cracking the system outside the USA. The US government could probably\n>stop importation of clone hardware, but a software implementation\n>should be practical.\n\nAmusing thought: could they have employed an algorythm which is infeasable\nfor a fast software implementation, but which is easy in custom hardware?\nIn DES, the extensive use of permutation tables (trivial in hardware: you\njust swap bus lines), but relatively slow in software have had a big effect\non the speed difference between hardware and software implementations of\nthat cipher (indeed, I suspect that Lucifer\'s designers were well aware that\nit would be, and approved.) Certain algorythms (usually parallel search\nalgorythms) can be very slow in software, yet can fly in custom hardware.\nI have no proof of their employment in Clipper -- it is pure conjecture. \nHowever, as a software implementation of this cipher is something that its \ndesigners would have been trying to avoid at all costs, then the inclusion \nof such techniques seems credible.\n\nHmmm... I also wonder what Intergraph thinks about the use of the name\n"Clipper" for this device. :)\n\n--\nIan Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400\nOffice of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433\nMacquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420\nAustralia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au.\n',
"From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang)\nSubject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...\nOrganization: San Francisco State University\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <C64n5K.L45@vcd.hp.com> robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes:\n>Justin Whitton (ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk) wrote:\n>: In article <C60EKI.Kvp@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:\n>: \n>: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote:\n>: \n>: I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. \n>: \n>: I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures\n>: from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-)\n>\n>The black ink is waterfast, but the color isn't\n>\n>: \n>: I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet.\n>: \n>: --\n>: /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n>: |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..|\n>: |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \\------------------------------|\n>: |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. |\n>: |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. |\n>: \\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/\n>\n>Bob Taylor\n>HP Vancouver\n>\n\n\n",
'From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini)\nSubject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1r25nt$oa5@ratatosk.uninett.no> hktth@nho.hydro.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes:\n>|> Hi!\n>|> \tI recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B\n>|> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It\n>\n>One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it\'s the ASPICD) supports a /NORST\n>paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This\n>fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh \n>3401.\n>\n>Regards,\n>\n> -Terje\nIt worked!!!\nThank you very much!\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n* imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\t\t\t Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini *\n* The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. *\n*******************************************************************************\n',
'From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Sin\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Apr.8.00.59.20.1993.28493@athos.rutgers.edu>, jadaley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jill Anne Daley) writes:\n> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does a\n> person know when they are committing sin?\n> \n\nAnything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin. \n(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)\n\nThis implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should\nnever be satisfied. It does not imply that\nhaving fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.\nIt does imply that I sin every day.\n\nA perhaps simpler definition:\nAnything that is counter to the two Great Commandments: \nlove God, love your neighbor, is a sin.\nAnything I do that is not from love is a sin.\n\nThe same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes.\n\nI could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them,\nconsidering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my\nkids out of anger or selfishness.\n\nI could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing\nmy opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an\narticle because I want everyone to realize how wise I am.\n\nChris Mussack\n',
'From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)\nSubject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they.\nOrganization: Lick Observatory/UCO\nLines: 56\nNNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu\nIn-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com\'s message of 23 Apr 1993 23:58:19 -0400\n\nIn article <1radsr$att@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away?\n\nTheir distribution is very isotropic and the intensity distribution,\ncrudely speaking, indicates we\'re seeing an edge to the distribution.\n\n Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are\n quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by?\n\n Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? \n\nNow, in the good old days before GRO data, it was thought the\ngamma bursters were neutron stars in the galaxy, it was expected that\nGRO would confirm this by either showing they were a local population\n(within a few hundred light years) or that they were in the galactic\nhalo. (Mechanism was not known but several plausible ones existed)\n(also to be fair it was noted that the _brightest_ burster was\nprobably in the LMC, suggesting theorists might be wrong back then...)\n\tAs the Sun is not at the center of the galaxy a halo\npopulation should show anisotropy (a local disk population is\nruled out completely at this stage) - to avoid the anisotropy you\nhave to push the halo out, the energy then gets large, the mechanism\nof getting NS out that far becomes questionable, and we should start\nto see for example the Andromeda\'s bursters.\n\tThe data is consistent with either a Oort cloud distribution\n(but only just) - but no one can think of a plausible source with\nthe right spectrum. Or, it can be a cosmological distances (hence\nisotropy) and the edge is "the edge of the Universe" ;-)\nIf at cosmological distances you need very high energy (to detect)\nand a very compact source (for spectrum), ergo a neutron star\ncolliding with another neutron star or black hole. Even then getting\nthe spectrum is very hard, but conceivable.\n\n\tIf we know anything about physics at that level,\nthe bursters are not due to quantum black holes or cosmic\nstrings, wrong spectrum for one thing.\n\nThe situation is further complicated by recent claims that\nthere are two classes of sources ;-) [in the colliding NS\nthey\'d actually probably fit relatively easily into the\nNS-NS and NS-BH collision scenarios respectively]\n\n my own pet theory is that it\'s Flying saucers entering\n hyperspace :-)\n\n but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they\n are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered\n if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in.\n\nIf you can think of one, remember to invite me to Stockholm...\n\n* Steinn Sigurdsson \t\t\tLick Observatory \t*\n* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu\t\t"standard disclaimer" \t*\n* The laws of gravity are very,very strict\t\t\t*\n* And you\'re just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*\n',
"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of\nthe time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio\nand everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n",
'From: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner)\nSubject: Apple IIgs\nArticle-I.D.: gap.1qkm6lINNrc6\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 29\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nI have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell. Everything comes with\noriginal boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition. Make an\noffer; I\'ll consider anything:\n\nApple IIgs 1 meg\n3.5" drive\n13" AppleColor RGB monitor\nkeyboard/mouse/mousepad/dustcovers/1200 baud Applemodem/random other worthless\n stuff.\n\nHere\'s a list of the games/apps:\n\n Games:\t\t\t\t Applications:\n\nBattleChess\t\t\t\tSystem Disk\nDefender of the Crown\t\t\tSystem Tools IIGS\nArkanoid II\t\t\t\tWordPerfect\nBubble Ghost\t\t\t\tAppleworks\nShadowgate\t\t\t\tWriter\'s Choice elite\nBalance of Power\t\t\tDraw Plus\nMarble Madness\t\t\t\tCopy II Plus\nZany Golf\t\t\t\tProTERM communications software\nChessmaster 2100\n\nIf interested, contact:\n\nsunshine@cco.caltech.edu\n\n*******************************************************************************\n',
'From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 13\n\n> [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law,\n> and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to\n> decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on\n> the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if\n> you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on\n> Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh]\n\nI totally agree with that sentiment. But why do you have to go further\nand advocate violating what God has set up? That is the question which\nyou have not answered from Scripture. You can worship on every day, as\nlong as you work. But God says the Sabbath is all mine.\n\nDarius\n',
'From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)\nSubject: Re: \'93 Grand Am (4 cyl)\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <HOLCOMB.93Apr19073907@wgermany.ctron.com> holcomb@ctron.com (Edgar W. Ii Holcomb) writes:\n>In article <Apr.18.12.24.26.1993.19337@remus.rutgers.edu> wilmott@remus.rutgers.edu (ray wilmott) writes:\n>\n> Hi all. A while back I was asking for info about a few different\n> models, the Grand Am being one of them. Response was generally\n> favorable; one thing often repeated was "go for the V6 for some\n> real power". Point well taken, but...does anybody have any input\n> on the 4 cylinders (both the standard OHC, and the "Quad 4")?\n>Ray,\n>\n>The High-Output Quad 4 delivers 175 hp (185 for the WF41 Quad 4), whereas\n>the 3.1L V6 offered in the Grand Am delivers 140 hp. I own a Beretta GTZ\n\nooppss...the v6 in the grand am is the 3.3. litre, not the 3.1. the 3.3 is\na downsized version of buicks 3.8 litre v6. the 3.1 v6 goes in the beretta \nand corsica.\n',
'From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)\nSubject: Objective Values \'v\' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is)\nReply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)\nOrganization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U\nLines: 54\n\nFrank, I tried to mail this but it bounced. It is fast moving out\nof t.a scope, but I didn\'t know if t.a was the only group of the three\nthat you subscribed to.\nApologies to regular t.a folks.\n\nIn article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes:\n\n>Science ("the real world") has its basis in values, not the other way round, \n>as you would wish it. \n\nYou must be using \'values\' to mean something different from the way I\nsee it used normally.\n\nAnd you are certainly using \'Science\' like that if you equate it to\n"the real world".\n\nScience is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe\nand the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning\nthose perceptions.\n\nIt has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.\nValues are ... well they are what I value.\nThey are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience\nrather than not, and so on.\n\nObjective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are\napplicable to everyone.\n\n>If there is no such thing as objective value, then science can not \n>objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head.\n\nI don\'t agree.\nScience is useful insofar as it the predictions mentioned above are\naccurate. That is insofar as what I think *will be* the effect on\nmy perceptions of a time lapse (with or without my input to the Universe)\nversus what my perceptions actually turn out to be.\n\nBut values are about whether I like (in the loosest sense of the word) the \nperceptions :-)\n\n>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said\n>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. \n\nI don\'t see why.\n\'Usefulness\' in science is synonomous with \'accuracy\' - period.\nTarot predictions are not useful because they are not accurate - or\ncan\'t be shown to be accurate.\nScience is useful because it is apparently accurate.\n\nValues - objective or otherwise - are beside the point.\n\nNo?\n\ntommy\n',
'From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)\nSubject: Blue Ribbon Panel Members Named\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nNntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio\nLines: 71\n\nThe following press release was distributed April 1 by\nNASA Headquarters.\n\nSpace Station Redesign Advisory Members Named\n\nAlong with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President\nAlbert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the\nSpace Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives\nfrom government and industry and academic experts from across the\ncountry to participate in an independent review of the redesign\noptions being developed by NASA.\n\n"I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this\nimportant review panel. America\'s future in science and\ntechnology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost\nattention and care," said Vest. "We have assembled a diverse\npanel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate\nmeasures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical\ntask."\n\nThe advisory committee is charged with independently assessing\nvarious redesign options of the space station presented by NASA\'s\nredesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve\nefficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space\nstation international partners also are being asked to \nparticipate and will be named at a later date. The advisory\ncommittee will submit its recommendations in June.\n\nAdvisory committee members named today include:\n\nDr. Charles Vest Dr. Bobby Alford\nPresident, MIT Executive VP & Dean of Medicine\n Baylor College of Medicine\n\nMr. Jay Chabrow Dr. Paul Chu\nPresident, JMR Associates Director, Texas Center for\n Superconductivity\n University of Houston\n\nDr. Ed Crawley Dr. John Fabian\nProf of Aero & Astro President & CEO\nMIT ANSER\n\nMaj. Gen. James Fain Dr. Edward Fort\nDeputy Chief of Staff for Chancellor\nRequirements; Headquarters North Carolina AT&T\nUSAF Materials Command State University\n\nDr. Mary Good Mr. Frederick Hauck\nSenior VP of Technology President, International Technical\nAllied Signal, Inc. Underwriters\n\nDr. Lou Lanzerotti Mr. William Lilly\nChair, Space Sciences National Academy of Public\nBoard, National Research Administration\nCouncil\n\nMr. Duane McRuer Dr. Brad Parkinson\nPresident Systems Technology Prof of Astro & Aero\n Stanford University\n\nDr. Robert Seamans Dr. Lee Silver\nFormer NASA Deputy Admin. W.M. Keck Foundation Professor\n for Resource Geology\n California Institute of\n Technology\n\nDr. Albert "Bud" Wheelon\nRetired CEO\nHughes Aircraft\n\n',
"From: lingeke2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger)\nSubject: 32 Bit System Zone\nOrganization: Purdue University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 32\n\nA week or so ago, I posted about a problem with my SE/30: I have 20 megs\nor true RAM, yet if I set my extensions to use a large amount of memory\n(total of all extensions) then my system will crash before the finder\ncomes up. What I meant was having a large amount of fonts load, or\nsounds, or huge disk caches with a control panel other than Apple's\nmemory control panel. Apple's cache is at 64K, mode 32 is on, and\nso is 32 bit addressing. All extensions work by themselves or with the\nothers until I increase the memory used by some of them (with methods\nmentioned above).\n\nWell, here's my latest followup... I ran NOWs System Profile and got\nthis information:\n\n%%% Memory info %%%\n\nPhysical RAM size: 20480K.\nLogical RAM size: 20480K.\nSize of Low Memory Area: 8K.\nVirtual Memory: Inactive.\nAddressing mode: 32bit mode in use.\n32 bit System zone: Absent.\nParity RAM: Not capable.\nGrowable System Heap: True.\nTemporary memory support: Present.\nTempory Memory Support: Real and tracked.\n\nNote that 32 bit System zone is absent. Could this be the problem?\nHow can I turn this on? Any ideas?\n\nCan anyone help?\n\nKen\n",
'From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray)\nSubject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nDaniel Prince (Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com) wrote:\n\n: ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX!\n\nI know it is just a joke, but please remember: the people of Waco\ndid not ask David Koresh to be a lunatic there, he just happened.\nWaco is a lovely town. I would think someone living in the home\nof flakes and nut would be more sensitive :-)\n',
'From: kerney@ecn.purdue.edu (John Kerney)\nSubject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/17\nKeywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 17\n\n\n\nCould someone post the Flyers record with and without Eric Lindros in\nthe lineup\n\n\nI have a guy that is trying to compare the Quebec/Flyers trade to the \n\nDallas/Minnesota trade in the NFL(Hershel Walker)\n\nI just need the stat to back up my point that Eric will be one of the next\n\ngreat players\n\nthanks\n\njohn\n',
"From: Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de>\nSubject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's?\nOriginator: guckes@medusa\nX-Mail-Reader: Elm 2.4 PL21\nOrganization: Free University of Berlin, Germany\nX-News-Reader: NN 6.4.13 #13\nLines: 18\n\nsunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes:\n\n>The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for\n>quite awhile now.\n>Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare.\n\nHm, I've got my CD drive since 921230.\n\n>I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, \n>but I can't confirm it.\n\nIndeed, CDs are bundled with it.\nYou usually get nine CDs with demos of applications, games, photos, etc.\n\nI have compiled a list of these and posted it to alt.cdrom.\nI will post an updated version of this list RSN.\n\nSven :)\n",
'From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)\nSubject: FBI Murders (was Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN )\nOrganization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.\nLines: 87\n\njmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:\n\n>I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the \n>embarrassment to the BATF and the FBI would\'ve been too severe.\n\n>Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no \n>witnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All \n>they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed \n>near the building, and the press could\'ve done their job, and would\'ve \n>been able to back the FBI\'s story with close up video, while incurring no \n>risk to the press. Unless they did not want the public to see something. \n>The complete lack of any other source of information other than the \n>FBI really causes me concern. \n\n>Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists\n\nWell put, Jim. I am as concerned about the media\'s complicity in this\ngrowing coverup. Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the\ninvestigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from\nany other story? Particularly if a Republican administration had been\nbehind it. What\'s going on here?\n\nLet\'s look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next.\nI\'m a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops\nbecause I\'ve found some of the techniques to be useful in business\nnegotiations. That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks. This AMATEUR\nknows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a\npsychological profile on him. You can bet your ass the FBI had\nprofessionally done profiles on Koresh. Koresh\'s behavior was\nemminently predictable. It is typical of people who move away from\ncivilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their\nisolation. It would also be typical, given Koresh\'s religious\norientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as\nthe apocalypse. Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being\nconsumed in the apocalypse.\n\nIMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated\npsy-ops to initiate that apocalypse. I believe they chose a course of\naction designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly\nappearing to be acting reasonably. They KNEW that Koresh considered the\ntanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations.\nThey KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles,\nobstensibly to perform "gas insertions" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push\nhim over the edge.\n\nLook at some supporting evidence. Koresh\'s attorney mentioned on TV\nearlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh\'s major concern was the biblical\nrole of the tanks stationed around the compound. The FBI (through Reno\non Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning)\nclaimed to have listening devices in the compound. If that was true\nthey KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink. They KNEW they\nwere pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide. Any rational and\nreasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at\nthe first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and\nwould have gotten rid of all the armor. Instead they continued with the\n"gas insertion" right up to the point where flames appeared. The image\nthat will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back\nand forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill.\n\nLet\'s step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without\nbloodshed. This technique would have required a law enforcement agency\ninterested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation\nof life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence.\n\nThe way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back,\nabandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the\narmor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited\nhis ego to flush him out. Exploiting his ego would have been simple. A\nsimple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell\nhow he whipped the US government would have been something he could not\nhave resisted. He could have then been nabbed when he left the\ncompound. Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the\nFBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the\nrevenge they sought, it was totally out of the question. Not without\nall that testesterone floating around. After all Jannet Reno had to\nshow the world how big her balls are.\n\nYesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system. I am sick to my \nvery soul.\n\nJohn\n-- \nJohn De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? \nPerformance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? \nMarietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to \njgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag\nLee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?\n',
'From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\n\nIn article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.\n>There\'s a lot of evidence, it just hasn\'t been adequately gathered and\n>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics\n>who quiver everytime the word \'anecdote\' or \'empirical\' is used.\n\nSnort. Ah, there go my sinuses again.\n\n>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book "Sinus Survival", always gives,\n\nOh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!\n\n>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his\n>new patients IF they\'ve been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times\n>in the last two years. He\'s kept a record of the results, and for over \n>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief\n>of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his\n>program.\n\nYeah, I\'ll bet. Tomorrow, the world.\n\nListen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.\n\n>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic\n>symptoms outlined in \'The Yeast Connection\' (I agree it is a poorly \n>written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which\n>I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage\n>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can\n>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I\'m also\n>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.\n\nI\'m sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who\nresponds to "miracle cures."\n\n>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to\n>molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure out that\n>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a\n>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you\n>would have perceptible symptoms.\n\nYeah, "it makes sense to me", so of course it should be taken seriously.\nSnort.\n\n>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various\n>sorts, and again, you don\'t have to be a rocket scientist to realize that\n>such toxins can cause problems in some people.\n\nYeah, "it sounds reasonable to me".\n\n>Of course, the $60,000\n>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was\n>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the\n>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),\n\nOh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass.\nMore like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome.\n\n>can develop excessive yeast\n>colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since\n>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to\n>take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively\n>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there\'s\n>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.\n\nYou know, it\'s a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused\nin this way. It\'s ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.\nThe trouble is that it isn\'t toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.\n\n>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae\n>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You\'ll find\n>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.\n\nThe only good thing about nystatin is that it\'s (relatively) cheap\nand when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any\nsystemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without\nany effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use\nIV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve\nthe "yeast" problem once and for all.\n\n>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep\n>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly\n>to the party line are academics who haven\'t been in the trenches long enough\n>actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my\n>face that there is no evidence of the \'yeast connection\', I cannot guarantee\n>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as\n>far as I am concerned.\n\nPerhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating\nyour symptoms.\n\nAre you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I\'d hate\nto think my insurance premiums are going towards this.\n\n-- \nSteve Dyer\ndyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n',
"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)\nSubject: Re: Change of name ??\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes:\n:\n:\n:\t1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or \n:\ttalk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY\n:\n:\t2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..\n:\n:\t3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup\n;\n:\tWe are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil \n:\tgoverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to\n:\tlet's say 1000 people ????\n:\t\n:\n: Thomas Parsli\nAnd everybody who talked about the evil arising in Europe was labeled \nreactionary in the late 1930's... after all, we could negotiate with Hitler and\ntrust him to keep his end of the bargain... at least that's what Stalin and\nChamberlin thought... I guess they forgot to teach you about your country being\noverrun by the Germans in WWII, 'eh Thomas? And I'm sorry you consider outrage\nat government excesses to be ####... Everytime the Israelis conduct a mass \noperation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and\nsoldiers, the world gets indignant, but it's ok for the US to assault it's own\ncitizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and \nhoarding weapons... I find it real ironic this happened the same day Al Gore\narrived in Poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the Warsaw Ghetto where\nthe same 'justifications' were raised for an armed assault by black-clad troops\nwith armor support... \n\n-- \n********************************************************************************\nJames S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space \ngt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent\n********************************************************************************\n",
'From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)\nSubject: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.{misc,setup}\nOrganization: Software Metrics Inc.\nLines: 76\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net\n\nThis is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two\nnew newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT. This is a second RFD, replacing\nthe one originally posted in January \'93 (and never taken to a vote). The\nproposed groups are described below:\n\nNAME: \t comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup\nSTATUS: Unmoderated.\nPURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about\n\t system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT.\n\nNAME:\t comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc\nSTATUS:\t Unmoderated.\nPURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT,\n\t including issues such as security, networking features, console\n\t mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability.\n\nRATIONALE:\n\tMicrosoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family\n\tof operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish\n\tto argue about the meaning of an "OS"). The family ranges from\n\tModular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to\n\tWindows NT at the high end. To date, Microsoft has shipped over\n\t50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the\n\tactual release is slated for May/June \'93.\n\n\tWhile Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares\n\tan application programming interface with the other members of the\n\tWindows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win-\n\tdows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking\n\tand security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for\n\tWindows 3.1.\n\n\tThe user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows\n\t3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features. It uses\n\tProgram Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre-\n\tsents an identical appearance to the user. Many of the announced\n\tWindows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and\n\tNT also runs existing 3.1 applications.\n\n\tThus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following\n\tgroups with the other members of the Windows family:\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.apps\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32\n\t\n\tThe following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as\n\twell as Windows 3.1:\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.announce\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.advocacy\n\t\n\tIn conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the\n\tWindows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal\n\tstructures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT. And yet operating\n\tsystems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have\n\tundergone major rewrites without having been split into separate\n\tnewsgroup hierarchies.\n\n\tFurther, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 --\n\twhen the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next-\n\tgeneration Windows, "Chicago", debuts next year, surely it should\n\tremain in the same hierarchy. And what, then, would be the jus-\n\ttification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions?\n\n\nDISCUSSION PERIOD:\n\tThe discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993. \n\nVOTING:\n\tThe CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on\n\tthe feedback received during the discussion period. No votes will\n\tbe accepted prior to the CFV.\n-- \n[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]\n[ "stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ]\n[ up. that\'s how the corrado makes you feel." -- car, january \'93 ]\n',
'From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)\nSubject: Re: BMW battery\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 31\n\nKeith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:\n: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:\n: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW\'s come with those expensive,\n: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is \'cause BMW owns\n: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. \n\n: What\'s wrong with the BMW battery? I\'ve never had problems and I know\n: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there\n: 8-10 year old beemers.\n\n\nKay, my \'86 K100RS still has her original battery in. She\'s OK\n--\n\nNick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford\n\nM\'Lud.\n\n ___\t___ ___ ___\n {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}\t Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.\n \' `\t` \' \' ` ` \'\t\t Currently incarcerated at BNR,\n ___\t___ ___ ___\t\t Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.\n |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|\t npet@bnr.ca \'86 BMW K100RS "Kay"\n ` \'\t\' ` ` \' \' `\t\t Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002\n\t .\n _ _\t\t_ __ .\n / ~ ~~\\ | / ~~ \\\n |_______| [_______|\n\t _:_\n\t |___|\n\n',
'From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)\nSubject: WANTED: Symantec address\nOriginator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl\nOrganization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands\nLines: 5\n\n-- \n*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***\n*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 ***\n*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands ***\n*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl ***\n',
'From: breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Tempest and Cyclone info. NEEDED\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 8\n\nIf anyone has any information about the upcoming new computers\n(Cyclone and Tempest), I am in need of some info. Anything would be\ngreatly appreciated.\n\nThanks,\n\n-Shawn\nbreedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet\n',
'From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)\nSubject: Re: Non-turbo speed\nOrganization: The University of Western Australia\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nNic Percival (x5336) (nmp@mfltd.co.uk) wrote:\n: \n: Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too.\n: One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz\n: - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its\n: 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button\n: that turns it into a skateboard.\n: \n: Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of\n: turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of\n: about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off.\n: \n: Cheers,\n: \n\nIt should be halved that of turbo (ie 33Mhz).\n\n',
'From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji)\nSubject: HELP: PowerBook 160 and Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner\nArticle-I.D.: castle.33950\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nLines: 43\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\n\n\t|\n\t|| edited and forwarded by the csm.announce moderator;\n\t|| please respond to the originator by email ALSO; what he\n\t|| needs, besides a cable that works, is a phone-number and\n\t|| AppleLink address for Caere - and a smile and a pat on the\n\t|| back... :-)\n\t|\n\nPlease, I beg you. If you know anything about the Caere Typist Plus\nGraphics Hand Scanner, Please read and solve my problem. I will be\ntruely grateful for the rest of my life!\n\nThe problem is that My Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not\nconnect to my PowerBook 160. The Cable on the Scanner will not fit into\nthe SCSI port on the PowerBook.\n\nI then got a cable assembled to adapt the original cable to fit the SCSI\nport. This, however, turned the computer into SCSI mode and treated it\nas a hard disk.\n\nI have asked an engineer in London to assembled a new cable. The idiot,\nout of sheer laziness has taken 14 weeks and has yet to solve the\nproblem. \n\nI am aware that Caere Co. in the US have a solution.\n\nDo you know of a cable that will solve this problem. Please help me if\nyou know the solution. I will be forever grateful to you.\n\nMy e-mail address is:\n\n\t\t\tzia@uk.ac.ed.castle\n\n\t|\n\t|| "wrong side of the road" syndrom;\t\t:-))\n\t||\n\t|| for us, that\'s zia@castle.ed.ac.uk\n\t|\n\nThanking you in advance,\n\nZia.\n',
"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)\nSubject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra\nOrganization: NASA Science Internet Project Office\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>, \ncjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:\n\n|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked\n|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.\n\nHey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look \nat your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.\n\nReally, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...\n\n(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)\n\n",
'From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com\nOrganization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:\n>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):\n>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five\n>>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n>\n>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau\n>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a\n>schoolteacher from Minnesota.)\n\nHere in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed\nin a similar manner.\n',
'From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nDistribution: na\nLines: 26\n\nTed Dunning (ted@nmsu.edu) wrote:\n: \n: nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been\n: under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that\n: clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing\n: choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has\n: been in the works for some time.\n\nActually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program\nstarted at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology\nand Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the\nchips is well underway, and so forth.\n\nNobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose\nto go ahead with it.\n\n\n-Tim May\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, \ntcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n',
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Fundamentalism - again.\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <khan0095.734814178@nova> khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes:\n>One of my biggest complaints about using the word "fundamentalist"\n>is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime\n>fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim\n>but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is.\n>I wonder what an equal definition would be..\n>any takers..\n\n\tThe American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to\nrefer to both Christians and Jews. Christian fundementalists are\noften refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests. The\nAmerican media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in\nJudea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah.\n\nAdam\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
'From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)\nSubject: Misc Stuff for Sale\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science\nLines: 38\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu\n\nMisc. Items for sale:\n\n\nMount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players\nfor Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony\nCD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a \n\t cassette adapter in SO SO condition.\n\t Paid $45...............Asking $30.\n\nCar Speakers:\tSherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,\n5 1/4 inch:\texcellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40.\n\n4 inch:\t Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20.\n\n\nNintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land, \nGameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years\n+ games: old\tall in working condition, Asking $70.\nAccessories:\n\n\nWhole Internet:\tThe Whole Internet: User\'s Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,\nbook:\t\tguide to using the internet, where to fing information and \n\t\tresources. Paid $30..........Asking $20.\n\nMicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30.\nVisual Basic:\n\nMicroSoft: \t Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100.\nWord for Windows:\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\tThanks,\n\n\t\t\t\t\tJonathan D. Fields\n\t\t\t\t\tfields@cis.ohio-state.edu\n\n\n',
"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nIn-Reply-To: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 07:30:17 -0400\nLines: 12\nOrganization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.\n\t<1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>\n\nIn article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n\n> First off, with all these huge software packages and files that\n> they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\n\nI've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.\n\n> Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI\n> and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.\n\nWindows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,\ntape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0.\n-- \nRichard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com\nOS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: 2.5 million Muslims perished of butchery at the hands of Armenians.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 92\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.015551.23259@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:\n\n>\tActually, Jarmo is a permanent resident of my killfile\n\nAnyone care to speculate on this? I\'ll let the rest of the net judge\nthis on its own merits. Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished \nof butchery at the hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only \nthe killing of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian \nArmenia. They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of \nOttoman Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines \ngenocide as acting with a \n\n \'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a \n national, ethnic, racial or religious group.\' \n\nHistory shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate \nthe Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the \nArmenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including \nU.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government\'s policy \nas a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of \nthe x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the \nextermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor \nthose who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians. \n\nThe eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established,\nbeyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people\nduring the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy\nwas clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian \nterritories.\n\nThe Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and\ntheir wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed.\nThe massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and\nperpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian \nGovernment.\n\nThe principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were\nDro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri,\nKarakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.\n\nSource: "Bristol Papers", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol\n to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.\n\n"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in \n the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly \n defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder\n the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."\n\n\nSources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin \nDucar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918). \nThe French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens\nsur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.\nTurkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,\n1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,\n1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -\nDerlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83\n(December 1983), document numbered 1881.\n"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....," Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document\n numbered 1869.\n\n"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning\n with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken\n in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army\n withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian\n massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked\n in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places\n selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs\n were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after\n being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part \n of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the\n cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering\n from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived\n in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.\n Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not\n exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in\n Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything\n that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them\n in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting\n on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages\n left behind after their occupation of this area."\n \nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\nOrganization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things\nLines: 28\n\n1. Did you read the FAQs?\n\n2. If NO, Read the FAQs.\n\n3. IF YES, you wouldn\'t have posted such drivel. The "Lord, Liar\n or Lunatic" argument is a false trilemma. Even if you disprove\n Liar and Lunatic (which you haven\'t), you have not eliminated\n the other possibilities, such as Mistaken, Misdirected, or\n Misunderstood. You have arbitrarily set up three and only\n three possibilities without considering others.\n\n4. Read a good book on rhetoric and critical thinking. If\n you think the "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" discussion is an\n example of a good argument, you are in need of learning.\n\n5. Read the FAQs again, especially "Constructing a Logical\n Argument."\n\nIgnore these instructions at your peril. Disobeying them\nleaves you open for righteous flaming.\n\n\n-- \nMaddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com\nCentigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553\n\nKids, please don\'t try this at home. Remember, I post professionally.\n\n',
'From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Re: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5\nOrganization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.130259.3773@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:\n>Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX/X11R5??\n>\n\nxdtm is working looking at, as is ftptool. There really isn\'t anything of\nany quality that I\'ve seen though, and I\'m seriously considering writing one\non my own.\n\n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class." -Unknown\n',
'From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ?\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nYes, you increase the RPM slip of a "boxer" type fan by installing\na capacitor in series with the fan\'s power supply. The air flow of\nsmall 3.5 inch fans can be reduced by about 50% by using a 1 to 4\nuF capacitor. Use a good grade nonpolarized unit with working\nvoltage rating around 250 volts. Note that some impriical study is\nusually required to experimentally determine the best size\ncapacitor for a given application.\n\nFor DC powered applications, try the Radio Shack 12 volt box fan.\nIt can run and start reliably from as low as about 4.5 VDC. It is\nexceptionally quiet, but at admittedly low flow. I wish I knew who\nmade the fans for Radio Shack.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED\n',
'From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng)\nSubject: Re: Identifying / Securing Files\nOrganization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <2bb29f4c@mash.boulder.co.us: rmashlan%mash@csn.org (Robert Mashlan) writes:\n:tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) said in article <19930322.101356.617@almaden.ibm.com>:\n:>It\'s OK as long as you trust the end-user to stay out of your application\n:>program - or as long as it runs in a system where the user can\'t get to it.\n:>Otherwise, you can\'t stop him from finding the "load a module" code in your\n:>program, and simply bypassing the check for a valid module. The devious user\n:>can either modify the object code before running the program, or he can run\n:>the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory.\n:There is a way to foil debuggers, by clearing the single step \n:interrupt, on which a debugger depends, every few instructions in \n:the sensitive areas of the code.\n\nThis assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an X86\ntype processor. It can be negated by NOP\'ing the clear debug instruction,\nor by running the code on a machine simulator, like one I wrote as a senior\nproject in college. It can bypass and trace practically anything one could\nwrite in software. Kind of like being on a Star Trek Holideck :-).\n\n-- \nKenneth Ng\nPlease reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now.\n"All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting\non someone\'s table" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG\n',
"From: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega) \nSubject: PC PAINTBRUSH IV+\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA 619-728-4318\nReply-To: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega) \nLines: 11\n\nI am trying to configure Zsoft's PC Paintbrush IV+ for use with my\nLogitech Scanman 32 (hand scanner), but I can't get Paintbrush to\nacknowledge the scanner. Is there anybody out there using Paintbrush\nwith a scanner, if so, can you help me out?\n Thanks Luis Nobrega\n \n----\n*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*\n| The File Bank BBS - 619-728-4318 - PCBoard v.14.5a/E10 - USR HST & DS |\n| 8 nodes / RIME / Internet / Largest Clipper file collection in the world |\n*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*\n",
'From: gurakl@aix.rpi.edu (Laura J. Gurak)\nSubject: XT clone for sale\nArticle-I.D.: rpi.+zt5m5_\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY\nLines: 35\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu\n\nFOR SALE:\n \nIBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS)\nBrand: Acer\nAge: 4.5 years\nSpecs: 640K RAM\n 20 meg hard drive\n 5 -1/4 floppy drive\n Color monitor\n 2400 baud USRobotics internal modem\n \nBundled with loads of software: word processing, \ncommunications, spreadsheet, games.\n \nA good computer that successfully got me through \nall of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to \nswitch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for \nhigh school student, college student, or person who \nneeds basic word processing, spreadsheet, and/or \ndatabase capabilities.\n \nBest offer.\n \n \nReply to\nLaura Gurak\nuserglub@mts.rpi.edu\n \n \n\n-- \n*****************************************************************************\nLaura J. Gurak/PhD candidate/Dept. Language, Literature, and Communication\nRensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180/gurakl@rpi.edu\nrhetorics of science & technology/social aspects of computing/rhet. criticism\n',
'From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How?\nNntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1qrohrINNipe@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil\nliam December Starr) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr18.003848.21571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,\n>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:\n>\n>>>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to\n>>>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. [Ryan C Scharfy]\n>>>\n>>> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican\n>>> idea that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and\n>>> simply decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please\n>>> explain why the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like\n>>> cigarettes" is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for\n>>> nicotine... [wdstarr]\n>>\n>> Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn\'t it.\n>\n>Ryan, please explain how the "coolness" or lack thereof of cancer is\n>relevant to a discussion of the legalization of currently illegal\n>recreational drugs. For that matter, please explain how it\'s even\n>relevant to a discussion of currently _legal_ recreational drugs such as\n>tobacco. [wdstarr]\n\nYou said it worked so well with tobacco. I was being fascisious(I can\'t spell \nworth a damn)\n\nLook, this is getting ridiculous, first, I think tobacco should be legal. \nAnybody who can\'t see the difference between tobacco and marijuana has got to \nbe high.\n\nRyan\n',
'From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")\nSubject: Stuff for sale- music\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 19\n\nCDs ($9 ea inc shipping)\n---\nJesus Jones, DOUBT\nResidents, HEAVEN?\nREM, DOCUMENT\nNymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single\n\nTapes\n-----\nRobert Plant, all solo stuff\nLed Zeppelin IV\n\nTshirts\n-------\nRobert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour\nLed Zeppelin, Symbols/Swansong black\nBob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye\n\nAll offers accepted. Mail to jac2y@virginia.edu\n',
'Subject: Snooper..any opinions\nFrom: Keith Whitehead <sir@office.acme.gen.nz>\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Apple Source BBS\nX-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version\nLines: 16\n\n\nHas anyone use Snooper or MacEKG or any other similar diagnostic \nsoftware.Any comparisons/reviews on these products would be very much \nappreciated.\n\nThanks in advance for your help\n\nCheers\n--\n\n\n==========================================================================\n: Sir@office.acme.gen.nz :\n: :\n: Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for! :\n==========================================================================\n',
'From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\nIn PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,\n20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has\nlong been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."\nnote what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE.\nint eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the\narticle it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL\nimplimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.}\nSCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play\nprogram.\n',
"From: baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari)\nSubject: *]] MOSFET help...\nOrganization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607\nLines: 28\n\n \n Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm \nasking for help. I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to \none, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v \nstepper. What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a \nsmall schematic would probably be helpfull). \n Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering \nif I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message) \ncurrent limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as \nthat illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully \nhelp me with).\n \n ... hmm... different request... \n \n Thanks.\n\n \n _________________________________________________\n Inspiration | ___ |\n comes to | \\ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |\n those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |\n seek the | /-\\ =] Baden de Bari [= |\n unknown. | |\n ------------------------------------------------- \n \n\nbaden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca\nThe Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607\n",
'From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nOriginator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com\nOrganization: SAS Institute Inc.\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.163923.25120@microsoft.com>, tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) writes:\n|> OK, just for grins:\n|> - Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene\n|> ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail.\n|> - Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in\n|> his bath.\n\nWell, certainly in Archimedes case the description "while observing the\nphenomena in his bath" seems more accurate than "while meditating in\nhis bath" -- it was, after all, a rather buoyancy intense environment.\n-- \nGary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]\nSAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000\nsasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm\n',
'From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to...\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.000021.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 55\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:\n> In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund\n> such a contest without delving to deep into the budget. I mentioned\n> granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, "mining\n> rights.) Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are\n> not anybody\'s to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli\n> situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group\n> (I can\'t see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year\n> moratorium on taxes.\n> \n> Tom Freebairn \n\n\nWho says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US\nGovernment? \nMajor question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?\nThe UN can\'t other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?\n\nIf you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will\nstop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? \n\nWhy can\'t a small company or corp or organization go an explore the great\nbeyond of space? what right does earth have to say what is legal and what is\nnot.. Maybe I am a few years ahead on this.. It is liek the old Catholic Church \nstating which was Portugals and what was Spains, and along came the Reformation\nand made it all null and void.. \n\nWhat can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your\nservices as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what\never.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..\nBasically find a country who wants to go into space, but can\'t for soem reason\nor another, but who will give you a "home".. Such as Saudia Arabia or\nwhatever..\nThere are nations in the World who are not part of the UN, got to them and\noffer your services and such.. I know that sound crazy, but. is it..\nAlso once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it.\nThe UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will\nnot care.. \nIf your worried about the US, do the same thing..\n\nWhy be limited by the short sighted people of earth.. After all they have many\nother things to worry about that if someone is mining the Moon or MArs or what\never..\nBasically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a\nlittle bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to\npiss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born\nin Central Europe just north of the Black Sea..\n\nI just read a good book, "Tower of the Gods" Interesting..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I\'m not high, just jacked\n\n\n \n',
'From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)\nSubject: dodge wagon for sale\nSummary: 1964 Dodge Dart V8 wagon $300/negotiable\nKeywords: 1964 Dodge Dart wagon 273ci v8 sale 300 $ for california cal CAL Bay Area bay area Cal\nArticle-I.D.: tymix.3647\nOrganization: 2M&I\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: copernicus\n\nTo: Dodge Dart collectors\n\nI have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash.\nMy asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate. The car currently\nresides in Union City, California. Thats on the east side of the San Francisco\nBay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the\ncontinent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from\nSol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway\nGalaxy.\n\ntoowhit: north of Silicon Valley\n\nif interested pleas contact Scott by the following means:\n internet sbrogii@tymnet.com\n home answering machine 510.489.6165\n business voice mail 408.922.6547\n loud yell & wave money out the window\n ^(not recommended in downtown urban environment)\n\nps. I also have a `72 BMW r60/5 for sale, $700.00.\n',
'From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,)\nSubject: Re: Soviet Space Book\nReply-To: landis@stsci.edu\nOrganization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD\nLines: 9\n\nWhat in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang\ndown in Alabama? I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that\nAerospace Ambassadors have disappeared. Can anyone else\nconfirm??\n\n++Rob Landis\n STScI, Baltimore, MD\n\n\n',
'From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood)\nSubject: Request for Support\nOrganization: Software Engineering Institute\nLines: 35\n\n\n\nI have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate\nrespond to the "Charley Challenges" (and judging from my e-mail, there\nappear to be quite a few of you.) \n\nIt is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or\nunrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between\nthe last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or\nmore posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge. \n\nIt seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions\nwill just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the\nsubject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I\nwould like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers,\nin the following manner:\n\n1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the\nChallenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he\nrefuses to do so.\n\n--or--\n\n2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it\nsomething similar to the following:\n\n "Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."\n\nReally, I\'m not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some\nhonest answers. You wouldn\'t think that honesty would be too much to\nask from a devout Christian, would you? \n\nNevermind, that was a rhetorical question.\n\n--Dave Wood\n',
"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)\nSubject: How to interview a doctor\nNntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com\nOrganization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA\nLines: 11\n\n\nMy insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm\nthinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea. Therefore,\ni'm shopping for a GP. Might as well get a good one.\n\nCould the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to\nthe FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one? \n\nPlease EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait.\n\n-dk\n",
"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)\nSubject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30\n\n\nIn article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:\n>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful\n>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle \n>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this \n>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.\n>\n>\t\t\t\teric\n\nHmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off?\n",
'From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)\nSubject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question\nOrganization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <15APR199320340428@stdvax> abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) writes:\n>In article <C5JLwx.4H9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes...\n>>There has been something bothering me while watching\n>>NASA Select for a while. Well, I should\'nt say\n>>bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When\n>>they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget\n>>exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think)\n>>"Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected\n>>errors. ...". I am wondering what an "expected error" might\n>>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but\n>\n>\n>In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous\n>pre-launch ops would qualify. Something like "Caution: SRBs\n>have just been armed." \n\nAlso in pure speculation:\n\nParity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.\n "Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"\n\nAny problem where they decided a backup would handle it.\n\nAny problem in an area that was not criticality 1,2,3..., that is, any\n problem in a system they decided they could do without.\n\nI\'d be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.\n\ntom\n',
'From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David "Go-Go" Kitaguchi)\nSubject: Re: A Little Too Satanic\nNntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu\nReply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu\nOrganization: Welch Medical Library\nLines: 21\n\nIn article 65934@mimsy.umd.edu, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n:PNanci Ann Miller writes:\n:P\n:P>My favorite reply to the "you are being too literal-minded" complaint is\n:P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT\n:P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and\n:P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right,\n:P>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something\n:P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was\n:P>originally inspired by God?\n:P\n:PThe "corrupted over and over" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the\n:Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text\n:Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This\n:Pshouldn\'t be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner\n:Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies.\n\nWell corrupted the first time is good enough. Seeing that the bible was constructed\n400 years after Jesus\'s death, in the text of merchants (ie-owe this and owe that) I wonder how anyone can take the literal word seriously. Obviously it was not intended for such nonsense, otherwise the authors of the bible would not need to plagerize (sp)\noff of the Asians for most of the contents that can be interperated to make sense.\n\n',
'From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nSubject: Cryptography FAQ 09/10 - Other Miscellany\nOrganization: The Crypt Cabal\nLines: 174\nExpires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT\nReply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Part 9 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Other Miscellany.\n National Security agency. US export restrictions. TEMPEST \n electromagnetic interference monitoring. Beale ciphers, a hoax?\n American Cryptographic Association. RSA public-key patents.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16\n\nArchive-name: cryptography-faq/part09\nLast-modified: 1993/4/15\n\n\nFAQ for sci.crypt, part 9: Other Miscellany\n\nThis is the ninth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are\nmostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.\nWe don\'t have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don\'t ask.\nNotes such as ``[KAH67]\'\' refer to the reference list in the last part.\n\nThe sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu \nas /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography \nFAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers \nevery 21 days.\n\n\nContents:\n\n* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?\n* What are the US export regulations?\n* What is TEMPEST?\n* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?\n* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?\n* Is RSA patented?\n* What about the Voynich manuscript?\n\n\n* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?\n\n The NSA is the official security body of the U.S. government. It\n was given its charter by President Truman in the late 40\'s, and\n has continued research in cryptology till the present. The NSA is\n known to be the largest employer of mathematicians in the world,\n and is also the largest purchaser of computer hardware in the\n world. Governments in general have always been prime employers of\n cryptologists. The NSA probably possesses cryptographic expertise many\n years ahead of the public state of the art, and can undoubtedly break\n many of the systems used in practice; but for reasons of national\n security almost all information about the NSA is classified.\n\n Bamford\'s book [BAMFD] gives a history of the people and operations of\n the NSA. The following quote from Massey [MAS88] highlights the\n difference between public and private research in cryptography:\n\n ``... if one regards cryptology as the prerogative of government,\n one accepts that most cryptologic research will be conducted\n behind closed doors. Without doubt, the number of workers engaged\n today in such secret research in cryptology far exceeds that of\n those engaged in open research in cryptology. For only about 10\n years has there in fact been widespread open research in\n cryptology. There have been, and will continue to be, conflicts\n between these two research communities. Open research is common\n quest for knowledge that depends for its vitality on the open\n exchange of ideas via conference presentations and publications in\n scholarly journals. But can a government agency, charged with\n responsibilities of breaking the ciphers of other nations,\n countenance the publication of a cipher that it cannot break? Can\n a researcher in good conscience publish such a cipher that might\n undermine the effectiveness of his own government\'s code-breakers?\n One might argue that publication of a provably-secure cipher would\n force all governments to behave like Stimson\'s `gentlemen\', but one\n must be aware that open research in cryptography is fraught with\n political and ethical considerations of a severity than in most\n scientific fields. The wonder is not that some conflicts have\n occurred between government agencies and open researchers in\n cryptology, but rather that these conflicts (at least those of which\n we are aware) have been so few and so mild.\'\'\n\n* What are the US export regulations?\n\n In a nutshell, there are two government agencies which control\n export of encryption software. One is the Bureau of Export\n Administration (BXA) in the Department of Commerce, authorized by\n the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). Another is the Office\n of Defense Trade Controls (DTC) in the State Department, authorized\n by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). As a rule\n of thumb, BXA (which works with COCOM) has less stringent\n requirements, but DTC (which takes orders from NSA) wants to see\n everything first and can refuse to transfer jurisdiction to BXA.\n\n The newsgroup misc.legal.computing carries many interesting\n discussions on the laws surrounding cryptographic export, what\n people think about those laws, and many other complex issues which\n go beyond the scope of technical groups like sci.crypt. Make sure to\n consult your lawyer before doing anything which will get you thrown in\n jail; if you are lucky, your lawyer might know a lawyer who has at\n least heard of the ITAR.\n\n* What is TEMPEST?\n\n TEMPEST is a standard for electromagnetic shielding for computer\n equipment. It was created in response to the discovery that\n information can be read from computer radiation (e.g., from a CRT) at\n quite a distance and with little effort.\n\n Needless to say, encryption doesn\'t do much good if the cleartext\n is available this way.\n\n* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?\n\n (Thanks to Jim Gillogly for this information and John King for\n corrections.)\n\n The story in a pamphlet by J. B. Ward (1885) goes: Thomas\n Jefferson Beale and a party of adventurers accumulated a huge mass\n of treasure and buried it in Bedford County, Virginia, leaving\n three ciphers with an innkeeper; the ciphers describe the\n location, contents, and intended beneficiaries of the treasure.\n Ward gives a decryption of the second cipher (contents) called B2;\n it was encrypted as a book cipher using the initial letters of the\n Declaration of Independence (DOI) as key. B1 and B3 are unsolved;\n many documents have been tried as the key to B1.\n\n Aficionados can join a group that attempts to solve B1 by various\n means with an eye toward splitting the treasure:\n\n The Beale Cypher Association\n P.O. Box 975\n Beaver Falls, PA 15010\n\n You can get the ciphers from the rec.puzzles FAQL by including the\n line:\n\n send index\n\n in a message to netlib@peregrine.com and following the directions.\n (There are apparently several different versions of the cipher\n floating around. The correct version is based on the 1885 pamphlet,\n says John King <kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>.)\n\n Some believe the story is a hoax. Kruh [KRU88] gives a long list of\n problems with the story. Gillogly [GIL80] decrypted B1 with the DOI\n and found some unexpected strings, including ABFDEFGHIIJKLMMNOHPP.\n Hammer (president of the Beale Cypher Association) agrees that this\n string couldn\'t appear by chance, but feels there must be an\n explanation; Gwyn (sci.crypt expert) is unimpressed with this\n string.\n\n* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?\n\n The ACA is an organization devoted to cryptography, with an emphasis\n on cryptanalysis of systems that can be attacked either with\n pencil-and-paper or computers. Its organ ``The Cryptogram\'\' includes\n articles and challenge ciphers. Among the more than 50 cipher types in\n English and other languages are simple substitution, Playfair,\n Vigenere, bifid, Bazeries, grille, homophonic, and cryptarithm.\n\n Dues are $15 for one year (6 issues); more outside of North America;\n less for students under 18 and seniors. Subscriptions should be sent\n to ACA Treasurer, 18789 West Hickory St., Mundelein, IL 60060.\n\n* Is RSA patented?\n\n Yes. The patent number is 4,405,829, filed 12/14/77, granted 9/20/83.\n For further discussion of this patent, whether it should have been\n granted, algorithm patents in general, and related legal and moral\n issues, see comp.patents and misc.legal.computing. For information\n about the League for Programming Freedom see [FTPPF]. Note that one of\n the original purposes of comp.patents was to collect questions such as\n ``should RSA be patented?\'\', which often flooded sci.crypt and other\n technical newsgroups, into a more appropriate forum.\n\n* What about the Voynich manuscript?\n\n nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) says there is a mailing list on the\n subject. the address to write to subscribe to the VMS mailing list\n is: <voynich-request@rand.org>\n\n the ftp archive is: rand.org:/pub/voynich\n\n There\'s all sorts of information about the manuscript itself, of\n course. A good bibliography can be found on the ftp site. Kahn\'s\n "The Codebreakers" gives a good introduction.\n',
"From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)\nSubject: need help getting saddle bags!! \nNntp-Posting-Host: jh224-695078.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 15\n\nhey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just\nbought\na used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of\n\nsaddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them) are there\nbags for the gas tank? how much would some cost, and how much do they\nhold?\nthanks for your advice!!! I may be new to riding, but I love it\nalready!!!!\n:)\n\n\n-----\njbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu\n(DoD #55,555)\n",
"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nDistribution: usa\n <1qm7qoINNqnv@clem.handheld.com> <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU\n(Frank Crary) says:\n>\n>>>>...I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by\n>>>> taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting.\n>\n>>>That is the recommended way to practice with a CCW, too. Aim alone is no d\n>goo\n>>>for defense, if you can't get the gun rapidly.\n>\n>>Very true but the way it was being done was just a little unusual. It looked\n>>to me like they were practicing to shoot someone...\n\nThe point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with being\na gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this\narea (or in the state of illinois for that matter). This is not to say that\npeople in Illinois don't carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like\nthat when there are other people around wasn't too bright of an idea.\n\n>\n>There isn't necessarily a conflict between practicing with a concealed\n>weapon for self-defence and practicing to shoot someone. Armed\n>self-defence does occasionally involve shooting an attacker.\n>\n> Frank Crary\n> CU Boulder\n\nI agree. If you don't practice at all and carry a gun for self-defense you\nmost likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise.\n\nJason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu\n",
'From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)\nReturn-Path: <news>\nSubject: Paint jobs in the UK\nNntp-Posting-Host: baldrick\nOrganization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England\nLines: 11\n\nCan anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. \n\nThanks \n\nLisa Rowlands\n-- \nAlex Technologies Ltd\t\tCP House\n\t\t\t\t97-107 Uxbridge Road\nTel: \t+44 (0)81 566 2307\tEaling\nFax: \t+44 (0)81 566 2308\tLONDON\nemail:\tlisa@alex.com\t\tW5 5LT\n',
"From: v119matc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Claus Schwinge)\nSubject: Needed, large, fast backup utility\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 15\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\nI'm looking for a better method to back up files. Currently using a MaynStream\n250Q that uses DC 6250 tapes. I will need to have a capacity of 600 Mb to 1Gb\nfor future backups. Only DOS files.\n\nI would be VERY appreciative of information about backup devices or\nmanufacturers of these products. Flopticals, DAT, tape, anything. \nIf possible, please include price, backup speed, manufacturer (phone #?), \nand opinions about the quality/reliability.\n\nPlease E-Mail, I'll send summaries to those interested.\n\nThanx in advance,\n\n-Claus Schwinge\n-SUNYAB Student Finances and Records\n",
'From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:\n>|>\n>|>..[cancellum]... \n>|>\n>\n>\n>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;\n>\n>ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE\n>WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS \n>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of\n>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. \n>\n>\n\nIt is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in\ntheir signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your\nposting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid\naddressing ladies with "Mr.", as you have done.\n\nSecondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has\nnever been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed\nof Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and\nthe demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey\'s \nmilitary intervention to it under international agreements.\n\nBe that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what\nis going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist\npolicy that Armenia is now pursuing.\n\nBut, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political\nconduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as\n"itchy-bitchy"... \n\nOnur Yalcin\n\n-- \n',
'From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett)\nSubject: Computers for sale ( PC and amiga )\nArticle-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.151726.26547\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.\nLines: 57\nNntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com\n\nIts time for a little house cleaning after my PC upgrade. I have the following\nfor sale:\n\nLeading Technology PC partner (286) sytsem. includes\n\t80286 12mhz intel cpu\n\t85Mb IDE drive (brand new - canabalized from new system)\n\t3.5 and 5.24 floppies\n\t1 Meg ram\n\tvga congroller\n\tkb\n\t5.0 dos on hard drive\nneed to get $300 for system\n\nAT style kb - $20\nLogitech serial trackman with latest drivers $45\n\nAmiga 500 with 2.0 roms installed and 1Mb video ram and 4Mb addon ram\n\t501 clone (512K ram and clock)\n\tRoctec addon disk IDE disk controller includes SCSI option\n\tQuantum 105mb SCSI drive with lots of software\n\t4mb ( 4 x 1mb simm) installed in roctec\n\tAmiga DOS 2.04\n\tICD Flicker Fixer II\nAsking $500 for system, \n\nI will part out the amiga, make an offer!\n\namiga Software\n\tCando\t\t\t\t- $25\n\tTextcraft Plus\t\t\t- $5\n\ttetris & welltris\t\t- $5 for both\n\tSword of Sodam\t\t\t- $5\n\tQix\t\t\t\t- $5\n\tCarmen Sandiego\t\t\t- $5\n\tCrossword Construction Kit\t- $10\n\n\tCanadian Prototype Replicas\n\tCD rom Fast File System\t\t- $30\n\n\tHypermedia CD rom containing fred fish disks 1-480\n\tincludes registration card, low cost upgrades.\t$20\n\n\tAmiga hardware Reference Man\t- $5\n\tAmiga to vga monitor cable\t- $5\n\ttwo joysticks\t\t\t- $5 each\n\t\n\nPrices DO NOT include shipping.\n\nContact Rich Garrett\nEmail - richg@sequent.com\nHOME (503) 591-5466\tWORK (503) 578-3822\n-- \n OOo O Rich Garrett\n O oO richg@sequent.com\n o WORK (503) 578-3822\n _____ o o\t\t \n',
"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <C5HIyr.327@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n\n>Brad, You're a very sick son-of-a-bitch. Wishing for someone's death, even if\n>they are your enemy, is very deranged. I really have pity for you and those\n>like you. Did you acquire this philosophy from Islam?\n\n>>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)\n>Ed.\n\nThis is an interesting question to ponder. Did Brad/Ali's sickness\nmake Ayatollah-style Islam attractive to him or did this new religion \nthat Brad/Ali has formally adopted give him this sickness?\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n",
"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls)\nSubject: Re: Biosphere II\nReply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nX-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com\n <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net>\nLines: 18\n\nIn <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net> Pat writes:\n>In article <19930408.043740.516@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:\n>>In <1q09ud$ji0@access.digex.net> Pat writes:\n>>>Why is everyone being so critical of B2?\n>> Because it's bogus science, promoted as 'real' science.\n>It seems to me, that it's sorta a large engineering project more\n>then a science project.\n Bingo.\n>B2 is not bench science, but rather a large scale attempt to\n>re-create a series of micro-ecologies. what's so eveil about this?\n Nothing evil at all. There's no actual harm in what they're doing, only\nhow they represent it.\n\n -----------------------------------------------------------------\n .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.\n\nGreg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or\n nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private)\n",
'From: Harry Powell Watson <hw26+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Boss Guitar Pedal\nOrganization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C4vu72.D18@smsc.sony.com>\n\nFor Sale:\n One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35\nor best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841. \n \n Harry\n',
"From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN)\nSubject: Keenan signs with the Rangers!!\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 11\n\nJust heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,\nand General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The\nRangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the\nend of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.\nThe Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because\nthey were very interested in him. Oh well.\n\nGo CAPS!!!!!!!\n\nConnin\n-- \n",
"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n>>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! \n>>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !\n\n>I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption\n>would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the\n>net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't\n>conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...\n\nI was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive\nevidence that the puck _did_ cross the line. And, the replays I saw showed \nfairly conclusively that the puck did _not_ cross the goal line at any\ntime anyway. Somebody screwed up. \n\n\ndchhabra@stpl.ists.ca\n\n",
'From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 53\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu\nKeywords: science errors Turpin\n\n-*----\nI agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in\nthis thread. In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand\non two of her comments.\n\nIn article <C5JoDH.9IG@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:\n> Avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable. However it is also \n> widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity. \n> ... In the extreme case, a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all\n> the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave\n> the house. \n\nOne of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning\nabout empirical investigation lies in understanding the context,\nscope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of\nevidence that are marshalled for a claim. Some errors break the\nback of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be\nfilled in, and some are trivial in their importance. It is a\ngrave mistake to confuse these.\n\nPast snippets from this thread:\n\n>>> I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology. ....\n\n>> He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would\n>> distinguish a universe in which special relativity holds from\n>> one in which it does not. ...\n\nBack to Lee Lady:\n\n> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and\n> sci.psychology. According to these posters "If it\'s not supported by\n> carefully designed controlled studies then it\'s not science."\n\nThese posters are making the mistake that I have previously\ncriticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A "carefully\ndesigned and controlled study" is neither always possible nor\nalways important. (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a\nremedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we\nhave enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind\nof claim to ask for a "carefully designed and controlled study"\nto alleviate our skepticism.)\n\nRules such as "support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and\ncontrolled study" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation.\nI think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be\nconvincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have\noccurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To\nreuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from\nuncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical\nproblems are notoriously problematic.) \n\nRussell\n',
'From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: (new) reason for Clipper alg\'m secrecy\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.155924.29995@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes:\n> First, note that the "experts" will only look at "details", and of just \n> the algorithm:\n> \n> In addition, respected experts from outside the\n> government will be offered access to the confidential details of\n> the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report\n> their findings.\n> \n> Why not the chip design? Well, here\'s the possiblity: in addition to\n> encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier\n> to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might\n> effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for "voice-\n> grepping" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons\n> thereof).\n\nFirst of all, the chip doesn\'t do that. It runs at 16 megabits/second,\nwhich is far beyond what you need for voice. It\'s obviously intended\nfor data as well, and on high-speed lines at that.\n\nSecond -- what advantage is there to doing the processing in the phone?\nI don\'t care how fancy that chip is; it\'s not as fancy as the roomful\nof analyzers at Fort Meade running the program they\'ll have 5 years from\nnow. They can\'t update every Clipper chip that\'s out there.\n\nThird -- if they did do this preprocessing in the chip, it would probably\nhave a serious effect on recognizability of the voice patterns. If\nnothing else, that would hurt the acceptability of the product. The\nV.32bis modems are just barely fast enough to do a good job on properly-\nmassaged voice as is; add any more to the mix, and you\'re completely out\nof the ballpark.\n',
'From: sylvain@netcom.com (Nicholas Sylvain)\nSubject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <DLB.93Apr15130411@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:\n>For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time\n>readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA.\n\nA long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet\nI own no firearms.\n\n>This is not about toys. It is about freedom.\n\nAmen, brother.\n\n--\nNicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA\n\n\n-- \nNicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA\n',
'From: luke@aero.org (Robert A. Luke)\nSubject: Help! Installing old HD on older Compaq XT\nOrganization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org\n\nWe are trying to install a donated hard disk (Miniscribe\nvintage 1988) on a supercheap ancient Compaq XT for\nuse in education. The only problem is that the\nsupercheap Compaq didn\'t come with the manual and I\nhaven\'t been able to figure out how to start the SETUP\nprogram.\n\nI began using PCs after 286s were invented, so I have\na couple of basic questions:\n\n1. Did XT-class computers even *have* SETUP programs?\n\n2. If they did (or, do), how do I access it?\n\nIf anybody has any good advice on how to proceed or\nwhat to do next or what to look out for, please let me\nknow. E-mail is best, but I\'ll also be watching the\nnewsgroup postings.\n\nThanks in advance,\n-Robert\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nRobert Luke Internet: luke@aero.org \nThe Aerospace Corporation CompuServe: 71155,3011\n"Danger, Will Robinson!" \n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Travel outside US (Bangladesh)\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1p7ciqINN3th@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Just George) writes:\n>I will be traveling to Bangaldesh this summer, and am wondering\n>if there are any immunizations I should get before going.\n>\n\nYou can probably get this information by calling your public health\ndepartment in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free,\nas well). There are bulletins in medical libraries that give\nrecommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section\nof the medicine department of your local medical school. You also\nwill probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis. You will\nneed your doctor to get the prescription. \n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'Subject: College Hockey All-Star Roster\nFrom: bdhissong@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu\nOrganization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"\nLines: 2\n\nCould someone please post the rosters for the College Hockey All-Star game East\nand West Rosters? Thanks in advance.\n',
'From: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Andrew Leahy)\nSubject: Running dxterm\'s onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240\nOrganization: University of Western Sydney, Nepean\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 36\n\n\nHelp!\n\nI\'m trying to run dxterm\'s (DECs\' xterm) on a DECstation 5000/240\n(Ultrix 4.3, X11R4, Motif 1.1.3) with the DISPLAY variable set to an\nApollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?).\n\nI get these errors appearing on the DECstation:\n\n> dxterm\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCharDel " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCopy " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCut " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apPaste " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apUpBox " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apDownBox " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apRightBar " to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apLeftBar " to type VirtualBinding\nSegmentation fault\n>\n\nAny ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif\nincompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB?\n\n(xterms run fine on DEC displaying on Apollo..arggh)\n\nI need to run dxterm because the package we are using on the DEC\'s, Oracle Case,\nuses dxterm by default, and we have a lab of Apollo workstations we would like\nto run Oracle from.\n\nAndrew "Alf" Leahy, alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au\n--\n__________________________________________________________________________\nAndrew "Alf" Leahy phone: (047) 360771 (W) irc: pepsi-alf\nUni. Western Sydney, Nepean. Remote-email: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au\nSydney, Australia. Local-email: alf\n',
"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n\n>>To borrow from philosophy, you don't truly understand the color red\n>>until you have seen it.\n>Not true, even if you have experienced the color red you still might\n>have a different interpretation of it.\n\nBut, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge\nit subjectively. And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting\nto discuss the merits of red.\n\nkeith\n",
'From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace)\nSubject: ORION space drive\nReply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 16\n\nAn excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is\n"The Starflight Handbook", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN\n0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion.\n\nThe book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically\ninclined. \n\nEnjoy!\n---\nC/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/\nC/ Nathan F. Wallace C/C/ "Reality Is" C/\nC/ e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu C/C/ ancient Alphaean proverb C/\nC/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/\n \n\n\n',
'From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)\nSubject: Foot switches for sale\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 11\n\n\n\tI have 2 foot switches for sale. They\'re great for guitar\namps, and keyboards. Each is about 1" in diameter with a 6\' (or so)\ncable. I\'d like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows...\n\n-Jason\n-- \nSettle down, raise a family join the PTA, \nbuy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet\nAnd party \'till you\'re broke and they drag you away. It\'s ok.\n\t\t\t\t\tAl Yankovic\n',
'From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)\nSubject: Re: Small Astronaut (was: Budget Astronaut)\nOrganization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1pfkf5$7ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n>Only one problem with sending a corp of Small astronauts.\n>THey may want to start a galactic empire:-) Napoleon\n>complex you know. Genghis Khan was a little guy too. I\'d bet\n>Julius caesar never broke 5\'1".\n\nI think you would lose your money. Julius was actually rather tall\nfor a Roman. He did go on record as favouring small soldiers though.\nThought they were tougher and had more guts. He was probably right\nif you think about it. As for Napoleon remember that the French\navergae was just about 5 feet and that height is relative! Did he\nreally have a complex?\n\nObSpace : We have all seen the burning candle from High School that goes\nout and relights. If there is a large hot body placed in space but in an\natmosphere, exactly how does it heat the surroundings? Diffusion only?\n\nJoseph Askew\n\n-- \nJoseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,\njaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.\nDisclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,\nActually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.\n',
"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: station wagons (was Open letter to NISSAN\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 30\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.052013.23517@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:\n>>but you'll\n>>never catch me dead in a minivan!\n\n>even a minivan based on viper running gear?\n\nhmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another\nthough.. you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either,\n1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one. just\nmy taste, no rational reasons for it.\n\n>-teddy\n>p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year.\n\nCAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual. Rave\nreview except for Servotronic.. Audi is trying to recoup the\ndevelopment costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well,\nthey are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick,\neh? yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the\nupcoming bimmer 530/540i would it? maybe they can use a 3.6 liter\nversion to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the\nluxo-garbage. let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires\nto go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump\nbhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes\n500E style subtlety.\n\nblah blah blah....\n\n\neliot\n",
'From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 108\n\nIn article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n\n[stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted]\n>The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power\n\nThe Mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the\nSHO. \n>plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.\n>I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a\n>brick (except when you\'re invoking oversteer, of course, something I\n\nIts hard to predicatbaly drift a stock Mustang because\nof the suspension.\n\n>personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is\n>inadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of\n>the car is not up to par.\n\nYes. When i think Mustang, I think school-bus + F16 motor. In\nmy mind the Mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80-90\nor so. It just isn\'t safe, check out your local junkyard, Mustangs\noutnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in\njunkyards.\n\nI find it astonishing the CU or somesuchlike has not jumped on the\nMustang for poor brakes in relation to power. Ford should at least\nstandardize on the SVO rear brakes for all 5.0\'s.\n\n\n\n>\n>I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in\n>mind. It didn\'t have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much\n>cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these\n>cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them\n>drivable at high speed. This should be elementary.\n>\n>There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought\n>it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe\n>the following to be true:\n>\n>1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.\n\nTrue of Northern Europe, latin countries are something else.\n\n>2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than\nKindof true. remember they were build by adolf in the \'30\'s.\n\n> they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them\n> far more predictable than most US highways.\n\nYes.\n\n>3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have\n\n"Autobahn" is the german word for freeway. Other countries have\ndifferent names for loose equivalents; autostrada, autoroute, motorway\netc.\n\n> speed limits that aren\'t out-of-line with what we used to have in\n> the US -- if my friends weren\'t lying to me they\'re typically not\n> much higher than 120km/h.\n\nEurope did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit. It hasn\'t passed as\nfar as I know. typical speeds in western europe are much higher than\nthe US. Law enforcement is negligible in my experience (comapred\nto the US) as there is no revenue enhancement motivation. The things\nyou really notice are the higher speed differentials, and the more\nprofessional attitude to driving. You just never see two cars\nrunning parallel at 55.1 mph oblivious to all around them.\n\n>\n>I strongly suspect you won\'t find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph\n>(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people\n\nYou\'re wrong. GTI\'s go this fast. Just kind of noisy, not the ideal\n\nautobahn car. A lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers\nfoot on the floor. How do I know? - when you\'re not making any ground\non the identical car in front of you!\n\n>have no respect for their own lives.\n\nIf something happens at 130-150 you\'re dead, but the same goes for much\nover 35. Driving at high speed forces you to concentrate. I feel much\nsafer driving 130+ on the autobahn than 60-80 in typical US traffic\nbecause most people seem to be awake. I\'ve never seen any driver reading\na book on an autobahn, I see it all too often in the US.\n\nCraig\n\nIt just doesn\'t *seem* fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation. everybody\ndrives that fast, no big deal. \n\nCraig\n>\n>>>You certainly haven\'t convinced me.\n>\n>>\tOf course not. "Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. \n>>I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother." You had your mind made up\n>>already.\n>\n>If you think so you sure don\'t pay attention to my postings.\n>\n>jim frost\n>jimf@centerline.com\n\n\n',
"From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)\nSubject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com\nOrganization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:\n>\n>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky\n>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including\n>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what?\n>\n>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery \n>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe\n>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians\n>in a military bunker. \n>\n>Ed.\n\nWho is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you\nare assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you\nare brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The\nbombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is\nvery consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only\npolicy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in\nthe middle east!\n\nI was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering.\nLike I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet\nI would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.\n",
"From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au)\nSubject: Reboot problem\nOrganization: University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 38\n\nFrom x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU Tue Apr 20 10:28:47 1993\nReceived: from usma1.usma.edu by trotter.usma.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-eef)\n\tid AA01628; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:27:50 EDT\nReceived: by usma1.usma.edu (5.51/25-eef)\n\tid AA03219; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:18 EDT\nMessage-Id: <9304201520.AA03219@usma1.usma.edu>\nDate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:17 EDT\nFrom: x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU (Peckham David CDT)\nTo: cs1442au@decster.uta.edu\nSubject: Problem.\nStatus: OR\n\n--------------------\n\nI am running a Unisys PW2 386SX20 with DOS 6. My problem, even when I had DOS\n5.0, is that when I have EMM386 loaded I can't CTL-ALT-DEL. If I do, the\ncomputer beeps a few times rapidly and hangs. Then I have to use the obscure\nreset (requires a screwdriver or pencil) or the power switch to reboot. Does\nanyone have a solution to this problem?\n\nE-mail me at x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu\n\nDave\n---------------------\n\nThanks,\n\ndave\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid S. Peckham | Internet : x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu\nU.S. Military Academy |\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-- \n Jason Brown\ncs1442au@decster.uta.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFav player Ruben Sierra\n",
'From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)\nSubject: Re: Whats wrong with my cordlessphone?\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 8\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\n\nI\'ve also found that the electronic starters on these "instant-on" \ncompact fluourescent lamp fixtures kick out interference that nukes\nmy cordless phone. (I can hear it in my guitar amplifier, too...)\n--\npaul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... \n .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . .\n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . \n . . . . . . . . happens . \n',
'From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic)\nSubject: Re: 14" monitors\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1pt3oe$li6\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7E78A881501F839@b63545.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:29:12 GMT\n\nIn article <1pco6eINN99i@corona.hsc.usc.edu> Daniel S. Chen,\ndschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu writes:\n>\tI\'m interested in getting a 14" color monitor for my new LCIII.\n>Unfortunately, I\'m really quite confused with the Sony monitors.\n>Could someone please compare the Sony 1320, 1304 and the Apple 14"? \n>\t\t\t\t\tThanks. Dan\n\nJust thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD-\n1304 because of several manufacturing flaws. The new model is now the\n1430, which just like Apple\'s new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches.\nI\'m not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools\nbookstore\nand can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of \ndefect or another.\n\nJust my two cents worth.\n',
'From: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu (Jose Unpingco)\nSubject: FOR SALE: ULTRABOTS PC GAME\nKeywords: ULTRABOTS,video game, pc game\nLines: 6\n\nElectronics Art\'s Ultrabots game for sale with book and original\n3.5" disks in the original box. \n\n\t- $22 or best offer.\n\ncontact: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu \n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 54\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\n(reference line trimmed)\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n[...]\n\n>There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the \n>assertion that there was some "objective" morality, and as you admit\n>here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is \n>"objectively" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself\n>requires an appeal to morality.\n\nYes.\n\n>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are\n>asking what is the "goal"? What do you mean by "goal?". Are you\n>suggesting that there is some "objective" "goal" out there somewhere,\n>and we form our morals to achieve it?\n\nWell, for example, the goal of "natural" morality is the survival and\npropogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is\npresented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we\nshould be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see,\nto have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is,\nwe shall be moral unto what end?\n\n>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had\n>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will.\n>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an\n>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not.\n>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our\n>>system of morality was an objective one.\n>I thought that was your very first claim. That there was\n>some kind of "objective" morality, and that an example of that was\n>that murder is wrong. If you don\'t want to claim that any more,\n>that\'s fine.\n\nWell, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most\nevery moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system\nand the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that\nit is a very good approximation, but we can\'t be perfect.\n\n>And by the way, you don\'t seem to understand the difference between\n>"arbitrary" and "objective". If Keith Schneider "defines" murder\n>to be this that and the other, that\'s arbitrary. Jon Livesey may\n>still say "Well, according to my personal system of morality, all\n>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what\n>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi\n>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me".\n\nWell, "objective" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental\nconcepts, while "arbitary" implies no clear line of reasoning.\n\nkeith\n',
'From: sasst11+@pitt.edu (Scott A Snowiss)\nSubject: IMAGINE\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 16\n\nHello again netters,\n\tI finally received the information about Imagine for the PC. They are presently shipping Version 2.0 of the software and will release Version 3.0 in the first quarter of 1993 (or so they say). The upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 is $100.00. To purchase Imagine 2.0, it costs $495.00 or if you are upgrading from another eligible (call them for info) modeler, it is only $200.00 plus shipping & handling. It requires a PC with 4 Megs a Math Coprocessor, and Dos 5.0 or up and a Microsoft Mouse and SVGA card.\n\tThanks for all your replies about the product. I have received many contrasting replies, but once I scrounge the money together, I think I will take the plunge. Thanks again.\n\tHere is the info for Impulse if you want to find out more or get the sheet they sent.\n\tImpulse Inc.\n\t8416 Xerxes Avenue North\n\tMinneapolis, MN 55444\n\t1-800-328-0184\n\nThanks again for all your replies.\nScott\n-- \nScott Snowiss\nsasst11+@.pitt.edu\n\n--Turn on...Jack in...Jack out...\n',
'From: dpalmer@mcnc.org (W. Dev Palmer)\nSubject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC\nArticle-I.D.: mcnc.1993Apr6.220327.4042\nOrganization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.053736.23113@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:\n>>In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes:\n>>\n>>>\tIf you know much about PC\'s (IBM comp) you might try the joystick\n>>>port. Though I haven\'t tried this myself, I\'ve been told that the port\n>\n>I believe that the "A-D converters" found on a joystick port are really\n>timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your\n>paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc. For games this works\n>pretty well, but you certainly wouldn\'t want to try to take lab\n>measurements off something as non-linear as that.\n\nThe best info I have seen so far is the article "Joystick Metrics:\nMeasuring physical properties through the PC\'s joystick port" by\nMichael Covington in the May 1985 issue of PC Tech Journal. It talks\nabout how to read all kinds of things (voltage, current, resistance) in\nBASIC, and even includes code for a simple "oscilloscope" display.\n\nIt\'s possible to read the joystick port directly if you don\'t want to\nuse BASIC. The detailed information for this is in the PC Technical\nReference under Options and Adapters. You have to provide some\nmillisecond resolution timing functions, but that\'s a subject which has\nappeared many times in articles from Dr. Dobb\'s, Circuit Cellar Ink,\netc. Look for the public domain ztimer package on wuarchive.\n\nGood Luck,\n\nDev Palmer\ndpalmer@mcnc.org\nMCNC Room 212\nP.O. Box 12889\nRTP, NC 27709-2889\n(919) 248-1837\n(919) 248-1455 FAX\n',
'From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu (Carol A. Bocher)\nSubject: Re:Major Views of the Trinity\nLines: 28\n\nAnn Jackson (ajackson@cs.ubc.ca) wrote on 5 May:\n\n>In article <May 2.09.50.06.1993.11776@geneva.rutgers.edu>\n>Jim Green writes:\n\n>>Can\'t someone describe someone\'s Trinity in simple declarative\n>>sentences with words that have common meaning?\n\n>The answer to this question appears to be "no".\n\nI would like to submit the following which helped me enormously.\nIf it has already been posted, I apologize.\n\nIt seems that during the Middle Ages, it was customary for pastors to \nexplain the Trinity to their parishoners by analogy to water.\nWater is water, but can exist in three forms--liquid, ice and vapor.\nThus it is possible for one essence to exist in three forms.\n\nAnd recently, the pastor of my church drew an analogy, which I\nalso found useful--A woman is often percieved by others in three\nways, depending on their relationship to her--a mother, a wife and\nan employee in a business.\n\nThus, it seems clear to me that the essence of God can subsist in\nthe Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or, depending on one\'s particular\nneed for Him.\n\nCarol Bocher\n',
"From: webster@ucssun1.sdsu.EDU (paolini p)\nSubject: ftp:UNIX-dos-UNIX\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 13\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nI'm an new to this. Having found some files (public) to look into, I\nftp'ed them to a system I have access to. I then used kermit to transmit\nthem via modem to my host computer, a PC-based file system. I access\ninternet through modem access to a university mainframe. From the PC\nfile server, I pull the files to a disk, and then pull them from disk\nto a SGI Indigo (the SGI is not networked yet). When I try to uncompress\nand un-tar the files, they either come out as garbage or I get an error\nin the tar process about directories being invalid.\nWhat I'm wondering about is the transfer of UNIX files (compressed,\nbinary,ascii) about multiple platforms. My guess is that it is the copy\nto a 'dos' disk that is screwing things up. Any help is appreciated.\nbob\n",
'From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)\nSubject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet\nArticle-I.D.: rwing.2087\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Totally Unorganized\nLines: 52\n\nIn article <19APR199313020883@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov> paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:\n>In article <1qnav4$r3l@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes...\n>>In article <C5LGAz.250@dove.nist.gov> clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:\n>> \n>>>Further, the Attorney General\n>>\n> [ ... good post describing what is in store for us deleted ... ]\n>\n>It\'s also interesting to note that two months ago Rush Limbaugh said that\n>Clinton would have the "plumbers" out in force shortly. Clinton and his\n>henchmen firmly believe in strong ubiquitous government control. Anytime a\n>leader believes in that, the leader will use every means possible to retain\n>that control and take more.\n>\n>WE have to take OUR government back. Otherwise we will end up living in the\n>equivalent of a high-tech third world dictatorship. We have to take\n>responsibility for ourselves, our personal welfare, and our actions.\n\nI totally agree. But how do you propose we take government back? They\nobviously don\'t listen to the people or want the people to know who is\nresponsibile for what (a person telnetted the site of the Clipper chip\nrelease, to see what the entity \'clipper\' was, and got a few lists.\nBUt when another person tried a bit later, the commands were disabled)\nDoes not sound like an Administration that wants to have any accountability\nor information they don\'t control given to the people. The secret\ndevelopment and implimentation of the Clipper Chip decision further\nbacks that up. You can bet unaurhorized encryption methods and software\nwill be considered \'terrorist tools\' and also subject to civil forfeiture,\nalong with the systems that are running it. YOU WATCH, SEE IF I AM WRONG.\n\nThe government is not going to be very cooperative about the people taking\nit back. And they have all the resources, unlimited access to the media\nfor propeganda, and almost all the guns (soon to be ALL the guns if\nClinton\'s agenda succeeds)... Those that do not play ball? Waco\nmight be a good example of what to expect... The warrant (just released)\nstated the reason for the raid was the BDs spent a very large sum\nfor weapons, over an undetermined amount of time. I don\'t recall\nspending a lot of money on guns, etc being illegal ... yet, that is.\n\nClinton might go down in history as the worst thing to ever happen to\nthe US of A. ... Now to be known as the \'Peoples Socalist Democratic\nRepublic of America\' (PSDRA).\n\nBig Brother is LISTENING!!!\n\nHail Big Brother... (and Sister...?) only ten years late!!!\n\n-- \npat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\nWISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien\n',
'From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)\nSubject: Re: Help\nReply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)\nOrganization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu>, \nlmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n> Hi everyone, \n> \t I\'m a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I \n> know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our \n> deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, \n> saying\' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?\' \n> \n> Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by \n> themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still \n> saved by there faith.\n\nmy $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible. \nEither they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else \nthey are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough.\n Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are \nso committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can \ncome to know someone\'s situation is listening to their own statements. This \ncan be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another.\n\n> But then there is the bit which says that God \n> preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn\'t know him - condemned) \n> so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn\'\n> t make any attempt to live by the bible. \n\nRegarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church \n(at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks \nabout their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of \nconcern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up).\n\n> Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what \n> you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the \n> teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being \'\n> spat-out\'\n Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if \nyou catch the two meanings.\n I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either "on fire \nfor Him" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made \naware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal \ndamnation.\n\n\n\n| "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." |\n| "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." |\n| (proverbs 26:4&5)\n',
'From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)\nSubject: Re: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock)\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab\nLines: 23\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tahma.cs.hut.fi\n\nIn <9304211637.AA03386@blue.arbortext.com> rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) writes:\n\n>My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state\n>of CapsLock and/or NumLock is?\n\nI don\'t know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th\nKeypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to\nalways know the state of modifiers even if your windows don\'t have the\nkeyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root\nwindow. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have\nbeen pressed.\n\n>An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X\n>keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user\n>presses shift-a, I\'d like to get a lowercase \'a\' instead of \'A\'.\n\nI think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString.\nYou can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses\nas you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from\nthe Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit.\n-- \n Sami.Tikka@hut.fi | /G=Sami/S=Tikka/O=hut/ADMD=fumail/C=fi/\n "Live Long and Prosper!"\n',
'From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser)\nSubject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")\nOrganization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.\nLines: 14\n\n[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used\nthe phrase "God-shaped hole". --clh]\n\n"There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us" (or something to that effect) is\ngenerally attributed to Blaise Pascal.\nWhat I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if\nGod is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)?\n\n=========================================================================\n|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk ||\n|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow.\t\t\t ||\n|| Standard disclaimers... ||\n\n[Don\'t you think you\'re being a tad too literal with this metaphor? --clh]\n',
"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru)\nSubject: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 35\n\n\n\nHossien Amehdi writes:\n\n>I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not\n>be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across\n>as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. \n\n>The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace\n>after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:.\n\n> 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently\n > most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or\n> dictators.\n\n> 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising.\n\n\n\nIt's not relevant whether I agree with you or not, there is some reasonable\nthought in what you say here an I appreciate your point. However, I would make 2\nremarks: \n\n - you forgot about hate, and this is not only at government level.\n - It's not only 'arab' governments.\n\nNow, about taugh talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen \nto tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? \nI would rather be 'intimidated' by some dummy 'talking tough' then by a \nbomb ready to blow under my seat in B747.\n\n\n\nDorin\n\n",
'From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)\nSubject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase "loses" money\nOrganization: NWO Steering Committee\nDistribution: na\nLines: 46\n\nIn <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez:\n>In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>>\n>>\tNo, I\'m saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large\n>>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a)\n>>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by\n>>accumlated gains.\n>\n>To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains\n>taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren\'t for there\n>to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised.\n> I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that\n>more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort\n>"trends".\n\nEven if Brett\'s eventual-return figures were correct -- and they\nclearly weren\'t -- he\'d still be wrong about the cause for the \'86\nblip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors:\n\n1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find\noneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term\nthat require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a\nfew weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with\npreferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former.\n\n2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of\nwhat would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects\nbeside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to\nunsophisticated investors in late 1986 to "sell now and save on\ntaxes." In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar\nadvice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice\nwas based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986),\nbut merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates\n(without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal).\n\nIt\'s nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal\neconomic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless\npulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe\naccurately what happens in the real world.\n\n\n-- \nMORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents \n Before You Start in to be Rough\n - George Ade\n\tMark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck\n',
'From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n>\n>Esin Terzioglu] Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. \n>Esin Terzioglu] 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek \n>\t\t inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant \n>\t\t\tposting claims)\n>Esin Terzioglu] 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English)\n>Esin Terzioglu] next time read and learn before you post. \n>\n>\n>\n>Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your\n>past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too\n>bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ?\n>Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ?\n>\n\nThe Greeks did try to invade Cyprus just before the Turkish intervention: They\nfailed. Just for your info. \n\nEsin. \n',
"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)\nSubject: header paint\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 8\n\nit seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers.\nthe metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and\nrepaint the pipes black. any recommendations for paint and application\nof said paint?\n\nthanks!\n\naxel\n",
'From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange)\nSubject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nOrganization: ParcPlace Boulder\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5r25y.HFz@cs.columbia.edu> ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:\n|>\n|>\tHi. I\'m trying to figure out how to make a window manager\n|>place the window where the create window command tells it,\n|>regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has\n|>reason to know better)\n|>\n|>\tI don\'t want to set the override-redirect because I do\n|>want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just\n|>want the wm to accept my choice of location.\n\n\nWhat "it may think is right" may be exactly what the user wants.\nAssuming that your application "has reason to know better" is, IMHO,\nanti-social. If I start your application with a -geometry option are\nyou going to ignore that as well?\n\nThere\'s really no way to force a window manager to do much of anything\nif it\'s managing your window. You can ask, you can hint, but there\'s\nno guarantee that you\'re going to get what you want.\n\n--\nTom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\n',
'From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine)\nSubject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC\nOrganization: URI Department of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 12\n\n\n\nFor sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition.\nGood condition. Many extras. Asking $7500.\nLocated in Rhode Island.\n\n Peter Levine\tplevine@ele.uri.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people. Denying the obvious?\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 109\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.122146.23931@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gassan@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu writes:\n\n>After having read this group for some time, I am appalled at its lack of\n>scholarship, its fuzzy-thinking, reliance on obsessed and obnoxious posters\n\nWell, these are Armenian and Jewish scholars, not me. Denying the obvious?\n\n\nSource: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.\nUniversity of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.\n\n"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the\n area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population\n of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were\n Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.\n Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third\n of Transcaucasia\'s Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the \n Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan\n uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians\n as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,\n however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the\n guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000\n inhabitants. This impressive change in the province\'s ethnic character \n notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian \n Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the \n southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia." \n (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of \n Transcaucasia).\n\nIn 1920, \'0\' percent Turk. \n\n"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as \n ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work \n of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. \n Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts \n into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable \n and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets \n completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They \n found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border \n into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole \n length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to \n Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain \n plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of \n Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for \n howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the \n scattered bones of the dead." \n\n Ohanus Appressian\n "Men Are Like That"\n p. 202.\n\n\n "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.\n It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us\n create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial\n life-support system of an imagined \'ethnic purity\' that some of us\n falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats \n in this alien land."\n (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity") \n\n\n<1993Apr24.042427.29323@walter.bellcore.com>\nddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Dusan Chukurov 21324)\n\n> The world\'s inaction when the conflict began over the mostly\n>Christian Armenian enclave inside Muslim Azerbaijan might have\n>encouraged the conflict in Bosnia-Herzegovina, said the\n>Moscow-based activist, who\'s part Armenian.\n\nNo kidding. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire\'s eastern provinces,\nmassacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly \npeople, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated \nthe entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between \n1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today \nin Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide \nthat is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought \nthey could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the \nRussian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian \nterror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle \nresorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent\nTurks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that \nthey are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia \ntoday.\n\nA merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri \ntown of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to \nhave taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military \noperation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the \nArmenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been \nmassacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten \nand shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed \nthe Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian \ninsurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the\nKarabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City \nhospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant \nwere killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to \ncondemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its \nsovereignty.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.192207.413@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n\n>I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on\n>in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. \n\nThank you, Brad/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda.\nIt\'s funny, though, coming from you.\n\n>There are no a priori\n>black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in \n>retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the\n>Lebanese terrorists.\n\nWho is it that executes these "pin-point attacks" on Israelis? The\nguys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats? Neither? You\nmean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children?\nWell, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all? And maybe that\n"propaganda" was correct, too? Hmm?\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
'From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] "Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr6.041343.24997\nOrganization: Summit NJ\nLines: 39\n\nstudent writes:\n\n>Somewhere, roger colin shouse writes about "radical gay dogma." Somewhere else\n>he claims not to claim to have a claim to knowing those he doesn\'t know.\n>There are at least twenty instances of this kind of muddleheaded fourth-\n>reich-sophistique shit in his postings. Maybe more. In fact I\'m not sure\n>the instances could be counted, because they reproduce like a virus the more\n>you consider his words.\n>\tMy question is this: what is the best response to weasels like\n>shouse and Stan Krieger? Possibilities:\n>\t(a) study them dispassionately and figure out how they work, then\n>(1) remember what you\'ve learned so as to combat them when they or their clones\n>get into office\n>(2) contribute your insights to your favorite abnormal psych ward\n>\t(b) learn to overcome your repugnance for serial murder\n\nThis posting is totally uncalled for in rec.scouting.\n\nThe point has been raised and has been answered. Roger and I have\nclearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue;\nspecifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of\nthe Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live "morally straight").\n\nThere is really nothing else to discuss. Trying to cloud the issue\nwith comparisons to Blacks or other minorities is also meaningless\nbecause it\'s like comparing apples to oranges (i.e., people can\'t\ncontrol their race but they can control their behavior).\n\nWhat else is there to possibly discuss on rec.scouting on this issue?\nNobody, including BSA, is denying anybody the right to live and/or\nworship as they please or don\'t please, but it doesn\'t mean that BSA\nis the big bad wolf for adhering to the recognized, positive, religious\nand moral standards on which our society has been established and on\nwhich it should continue to be based.\n-- \nStan Krieger All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even\nUNIX System Laboratories if related to my employment, are my own.\nSummit, NJ\nsmk@usl.com\n',
'From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 29\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1pigidINNsot@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n\n>mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist?\n>\n>Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you\n>blame the tiger?\n\n\tA human has greater control over his/her actions, than a \npredominately instictive tiger.\n\n\tA proper analogy would be:\n\n\tIf you are thrown into a cage with a person and get mauled, do you \nblame that person?\n\n\tYes. [ providing that that person was in a responsible frame of \nmind, eg not clinicaly insane, on PCB\'s, etc. ]\n\n---\n\n "One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that \n say "Mom", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more \n virile men."\n\n Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )\n April 4, 1993\n\n The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. \n',
'From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin)\nSubject: FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card\nArticle-I.D.: umr.1993Apr17.080644.2922\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu\nOriginator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu\n\nFOR SALE:\n\tParadise SVGA accelerator card\n\t-800x600x32768\n\t-1240x1024x16\n\t-up to 15 times faster than vga\n\t-manual, drivers\n\t-used for 5 months, perfect condition\n\t-WD chipset\n\n $120 OBO\n\nfor more info THOUCHIN@CS.UMR.EDU\nT.J. HOUCHIN\n',
'From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)\nSubject: Benediktine Metaphysics\nLines: 24\n\nBenedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority:\n\n> IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST.\n\n"Contradictory" is a property of language. If I correct this to\n\n\n THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST\n\nI will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to\n\n THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST\n\nthen we\'ve come to something which is plainly false. Failures in\ndescription are merely failures in description.\n\n(I\'m not an objectivist, remember.)\n\n\n-- \nC. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,\n + but strife closed in the sod.\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:\ntove!mangoe + the marv\'lous peace of God."\n',
"From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) \nSubject: RE: MILITECH\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569\nReply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) \nLines: 22\n\njchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:\n\n-> I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to hear\n-> your comments.\n->\n-> MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of\n-> this product really impressive, if it didn't cheat.\n\n Well, I heard that Militech stuff works pretty good too.. One of my\nfriends who races in SCCA sanctioned events and all that stuff got the\nMilitech stuff early as a trial thing, and he put it in his CRX.. He\nsays it worked great, but I didn't ask him for any details.\n\n\n-Erich\nerich.lim@yob.sccsi.com\n \n----\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) |\n| Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
'From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 12\n\nIn <Apr.22.00.57.03.1993.2118@geneva.rutgers.edu> jprzybyl@skidmore.edu writes:\n\n> I may be wrong, but wasn\'t Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He\'s a\n> MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and\n\n Why should he have been any different "then"? Ozzy Osbourne,\nex-singer and main character of the Black Sabbath of good ole days past,\nis and always was a devout catholic. Or so I\'ve heard over on the\nalt.rock-n-roll.metal newsgroups, an\' I figure those folks oughta know..\n\n-- \n Disclaimer? "It\'s great to be young and insane!"\n',
'From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: Israel\'s Expansion\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 39\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n|> Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there:\n|> \n|> 1) Is Israel\'s occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr.\n|> Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting\n|> water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory).\n\nYes it is, as has been evidenced by the previous two stages\nof withdrawal from the area and by the reductions in troops.\nCurrently the troops are kept at a level consistent with light\nand armored patrols. No permanent installations have been\nbuilt in the area, nor are any planned.\n\nAs to the prodigal "water question", you can continue to waste\nyour time looking for non-existent proof, or you can accept the\ntestimony of people here, some Lebanese, who have acknowledged\nthat they know of no evidence for these allegations.\n\n|> 2) Is Israel\'s occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan\n|> temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so\n|> many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary,\n|> let\'s hear it.\n\nIt depends which of those territories you refer to.\nIn general, settlers were moved into the territories because\nat the time, in the context of the situations, it seemed the\nlogical move. This is not to say that views don\'t change\nor that mistakes are not made. Currently, I would say that\nthe only "disputed territory" that does not appear to be temporary\nis that of Eastern and northern Jerusalem.\n\n|> Steve\n|> \n\n-- \nShai Guday | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninjas of the skies.\nCambridge, MA |\n',
'From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nNntp-Posting-Host: euas27c42.eua.ericsson.se\nNntp-Posting-User: euatno\nOrganization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 78\n\nrauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:\n\n\n\n> Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter\n>of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on\n>NHL teams have escalated to the following stats:\n\n>Canadians: 400\n>Americans: 100\n>Europeans: 100\n\n> Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top\n>25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun.\n\n> Here\'s the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick\n>of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let\'s say, the\n>Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and\n>"Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn\'t it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,\n>and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other\n>teams is getting worse as well. \n\nIs the answer as simple as that you dislike russians???\n\n> I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about "Pavel Bure, the\n>Russian Rocket" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see\n>the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the \n>plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, \n>I\'m not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). \n\n>Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that\n>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and\n>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR\n>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren\'t even\n>better hockey players. It\'s all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening,\n>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue\n>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.\n\n> With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly\n>only getting worse.\n\nAnd where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans?? Dont say\nthat the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game.\nI mean, look at the way you play these days. Less fights and more hockey.\nImho, canadian hockey has had a positive curve of development since the\n70\'s when the game was more brute than beauty......\n\n> I\'m all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures\n>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.\n\nOh, look!! You don\'t like Finns either....\n\n> I just don\'t want them on mine.\nToo bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe.....\n\nHmmm... And what kind of a name is Rauser. Doesn\'t sound very "canadian" to\nme. ;-)\n\nPS. When analyzing teams like Italy, France and Great Britain you find that\na lot of their players are "Canadians" with double citizenship... DS\n> \n> \n>-- \n>Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you\'re doing."\n>rauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don\'t worry about that. We\'re professional\n>WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."\n>-----------------\n>"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai\n _________________ __________\n / _ , /l /\n _/__()_/))_(/_/)_ _/ L/_()_/)_/)_\n / /\n********************************************************************\n* Tomas Nopp Tel : +46 8 727 33 24 *\n* Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs Fax : +46 8 647 80 59 *\n* Box 1505 Email : Tomas.Nopp@eua.ericsson.se *\n* S-125 25 ALVSJO <------ Snailmail *\n********************************************************************\n',
"From: anthonyp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Pun)\nSubject: Re: Why HP printers rated so low?\nArticle-I.D.: extro.anthonyp.735036446\nOrganization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia\nLines: 16\nNntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au\n\negaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes:\n\n>I'm about to purchase a laser printer for my Mac and I read the MacUser\n>Buying Guide special issue. All HP printers (except IIISI) are rated very low\n>compared to other noname bargain-priced printers. Why is that so? On the PC,\n>HP printers are THE standard amongst printer manufacturers.\n\n>PS: My personnal favorite -budgetwise- would be the IIIP.\n\nThe IIIP has just been superseded by the 4M, which is the one I am using at\nwork. The quality of the print is execellent, beating 300 dpi printers hands\ndown. In Australia the price of the 4M is about comparable with that of the\nIII-series, so HP are trying to get people to buy the new one !!!\n\nAnthony Pun\nanthonyp@extro.ucc.su.oz.au\n",
'From: mike@avon.demon.co.uk ("Mike H.")\nSubject: Re: Another data hiding scheme... \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: boring\nReply-To: mike@avon.demon.co.uk\nX-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.225348.6511@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU writes:\n\n>since the price of 1.44 M 3.5" floppies were still high until the last\n>few years. If you store "old" data, with old file times, in the public\n>filesystem the casual observer may miss the "HD"... especially if you \n>"accidently" cover it with something).\n>\n>-- \n>Bear Giles\n>bear@cs.colorado.edu/fsl.noaa.gov\n>\n\nIt has been done already!\n\nIn the UK the Atari ST box was shipped with 360K disks in the first few\nyears and then later 720K disks. In order to make life less complicated,\nmany freebie disks on mags were double formatted like this. Side 0 of the\ndisk had 360K on it and could be read by any ST. It also had a flip-side\nprogram. This would swap the sides around so that side 1 became side 0.\n\n-- \n\n Mike (mike@avon.demon.co.uk)\n',
'From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)\nSubject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1r0vk6INNaft@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:\n>>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that\n>>Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in\n>>the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca\'s statistics\n>>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.\n>\n>Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new \n>"nameplates." I guess Nissan doesn\'t even sell as many Altimas as\n>Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no "nameplate" qualifier.\n\nBut waiiiiiit, isn\'t Nissan officially registering the car as far as\ngovernment paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and\nlengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone\nactually may have said there\'s a little Stanza logo on the Altima\nsomewhere.\n\nYou *can* have it both ways :-)\n\nSpiros\n-- \nSpiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com\nSoftware Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815\nGM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 "I post, therefore I ARMM"\n',
"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.164811.21637@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n\n\n>[...] and I'll give Fuhr's new one an honourable mention, although I haven't\n>seen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!). \n\nThis is the new Buffalo one, the second since he's been with the\nSabres? I recall a price tag of over $700 just for the paint job on\nthat mask, and a total price of almost $1500. Ouch. \n\n\n\n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\tBirtday -(n)- An event when friends get \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\ttogether, set your dessert on fire, then\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tlaugh and sing while you frantically try \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. \n",
'From: slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport"\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 24\n\n\nThe idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I\'m curious to know, do \nthey plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it \nonly going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n\nBTW, anybody planning on shaving Hillary\'s head to look for *666*? 8^)\n\nLater Dave,\nDays\n\n^^^^^^^^\nGoverment logic or just the Clintons?\n\n\n--\n ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | David H. Slack |\n |_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ | Boise Surface Mount Center |\n |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | email: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com |\n | _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ | telnet: 323 4019 |\n |_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _ _/_/ _/ _/ | phone: (208) 323 4019 |\n |------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n | Hewlett-Packard, 11213 Chinden Blvd., Boise Idaho 83714-1023, M/S #625 |\n ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n',
'From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)\nSubject: Nostalgia\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 1049\n\n\n The recent rise of nostalgia in this group, combined with the\n incredible level of utter bullshit, has prompted me to comb\n through my archives and pull out some of "The Best of Alt.Atheism"\n for your reading pleasure. I\'ll post a couple of these a day\n unless group concensus demands that I stop, or I run out of good\n material.\n\n I haven\'t been particularly careful in the past about saving\n attributions. I think the following comes from John A. Johnson,\n but someone correct me if I\'m wrong. This is probably the longest\n of my entire collection.\n\n________________________________________________________\n\n\n So that the\n Prophecy be\n Fulfilled\n\n * * *\n\n In considering the Christian religion, and judging it\naccording to its claims, it is important to look at its claims at\nfulfilling earlier Jewish prophecy. The scribe Matthew is perhaps\nthe most eager to draw out what he thinks are prophetic answers in\nthe career of Jesus of Nazareth. As you will see, Matthew\'s main\nstrategy is to take various Old Testament passages, often not even\nabout the promised Messiah, and apply them to the circumstances in\nthe New Testament. We must also bear in mind the question of the\nauthenticity of the accounts. Since the gospels were written at\nleast 35 years after Jesus was executed, we do not know how much\nhappened exactly as stated. But, for purposes of analysis, we\nwill take particular claims at face value.\n\nImmanuel:\n\n We begin, of course, at the beginning.\n\n (Mt 1.21-22): "[Mary] will bear a son, and you,\n Joseph, will name him \'Jesus\' (which means G\'d is\n salvation), for he will save his people from their\n sins." All this happened to fulfil what the lord had\n spoken by a prophet:\n\n [Isaiah 7.1-16]: In the days of Ahaz (c. 750 BCE),\n king of Judah, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel made\n war on Jerusalem (capitol of Judah), but could not\n quite conquer it. When the house of David (i.e. Ahaz\n and his court in Judah) were told of this, ...its\n heart and the heart of its people shook... And, the\n lord G\'d said to Isaiah, "go to meet with Ahaz..." \n ...And the lord spoke to Ahaz (through prophet Isaiah,\n naturally) saying, "Ask a sign of G\'d your lord. It\n can be as deep as Sheol or as high as heaven." But,\n Ahaz said, "I won\'t ask; I will not put the lord to a\n test." Then (Isaiah) said, "Hear then, O house of\n David. Is it not enough for you to weary men, that\n you must weary my god too? Therefore, the lord\n himself will give you a sign: Behold, a young woman\n is with child and will bear a son, and name him\n "Immanuel," which means, "G\'d is with us." He will\n eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse evil\n and choose good. For, before the child knows how to\n refuse evil and choose good, the land of the two kings\n you dread will have been deserted...\n\nMatthew homes in on just the sentence that is in italics. \nFurther, he the Hebrew word "almah," (young woman), as\nspecifically, "virgin." But, this is not a prophecy about the\nMessiah. It is not a prophecy about an event to happen 750 years\nlater. It is not a prophecy about a virgin (bethulah) mother. In\nshort, it not about Jesus. Matthew has made use of a verse out of\ncontext, and tries to make it fit the specific case of Mary. It\nshould be noted that if we want to read the prophecy in a general\nmanner, a very general one, it can be made to fit Mary. Mary,\nvirgin or not, was indeed a young woman with child. Of course,\nthe fit is shady and has problems. Jesus, while thought of by\nlater Christians to be G\'d walking among men, was never called by\nthe name, Immanuel. If Christianity wished to claim this prophecy\nfor Jesus, it becomes at best a cut-and-paste prophecy... a second\nclass prophecy. Not too convincing.\n\nEgypt:\n\n After Jesus\'s birth in Bethlehem, Matthew tells about a\nquick (and elsewhere unmentioned) excursion to Egypt, as if he\nwishes to liken Jesus to Moses. This was done to escape an\nalleged infanticidal rampage of the king, Herod.\n\n [Mt 2.15] ...and remained there until the death of\n Herod. This was to fulfil what the lord had spoken:\n "Out of Egypt I have cal-led my son."\n\n\nWhat the lord really said was this.\n\n [Hosea 11.1] When Israel was a child, I loved him. \n And, out of Egypt I called my son. The more I called\n them (my people), the more they went from me; they\n kept sacrificing to the Ba\'als, and kept burning\n incense to idols.\n\nMatthew conveniently omits the rest of Hosea\'s oracle. But, it\nwas indeed Israel that, once called out of Egypt, wanted to\nreturn. This is history. Jesus is certainly not being spoken of\nhere. And, if we are to draw some kind of parallel here, we wind\nup with a Jesus that flees and resists G\'d. Again, this prophecy\nis just not as convincing as Matthew probably had hoped.\n\nRachel Weeps:\n\n While Jesus is off vacationing in Egypt, Matthew says that\nKing Herod sought to kill him, and thus ordered the executions of\nall young male children. Matthew then writes,\n\n [Mt 2.17-18] By this, that which was spoken by the\n prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:\n\n "A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud\n lamentation-- Rachel weeping for her children;\n she refused to be consoled, because they were\n no more." \n\nThe reference is to a passage in Jeremiah 31.15, referring to the\ncarrying off of Israel into exile by Sargon (of Assyria) in 722\nBCE. Rachel, the ancestor of the major tribes of Israel, Ephraim,\nand Manasseh, is said to weep for her descendants who are "no\nmore." It is metaphorical, of course, since Rachel lived and dies\nbefore the Hebrews were even in the Egyptian exile.\n It is interesting to note that it was Leah, not Rachel, who\nwas the ancestor of the Judeans (the land where Jesus and\nBethlehem were). If anyone should do weeping for her "children,"\nit is Leah. The only connexion that Rachel has with Bethlehem is\nthat the legends have it that she was buried north of the city,\n"on the way to Ephrath, (Bethlehem)."\n As for Herod and his infanticide, it is rather unlikely\nthat such an event actually occurred. One never knows, but the\nevent is not mentioned or alluded to anywhere else in the Bible,\nnor is it mentioned in any of the secular records of the time. \nHerod was particularly unliked in his reign, and many far less\nevil deeds of Herod were carefully recorded. This might be a\nprime example of how events were added to Jesus\'s life to enhance\nthe message of the church\'s gospel.\n Because of the whole story\'s similarity to the tale of the\ninfant Moses in Egypt, it is highly likely that it is a device set\nup by Matthew to add prophetic, yet artificial, approval of Jesus.\nIt is not surprising that Matthew conveniently neglects to mention\nthe rest of the Jeremiah quote. The "children" the prophet\nspeaks of are not dead, but exiled in the Assyrian Empire. G\'d\ncomforts the weeping Rachel, saying that the children will be\nreturned-- he will gather them back together. Of course, this\nwould not suit Matthew\'s purpose, as the children he speaks of are\ndead for good. Again, the "prophecy" Matthew sets up is not even\nthat, and to anyone who bothers to check it out, is not too\nconvincing.\n\nThe Nazarene:\n\n We do not even have to go to the next chapter to find\nanother Matthean prophecy. After leaving Egypt, Joseph & wife\ntake the infant Jesus to live in the city of Nazareth, \n\n [Mt 2.23] ...that what was spoken of by the prophets\n might be fulfilled, "He shall be called a Nazarene."\n\nFirst thing we notice is that Matthew does not mention the name of\nthe prophet(s) this time. Second, we have to ask who "He" is. \nThere are no Messianic prophecies speaking of a Nazarene. Worse,\nthere are no prophecies, period, mentioning a Nazarene. Still\nworse, there are no Nazarenes mentioned in the Old Testament at\nall. In the book of Judges, an angel tells Samson\'s mother that\nshe will,\n\n [Judges 13.5] "...conceive and bear a son. No razor\n shall tough his head, for he will be a Nazirite to his\n god from the day of his birth. He will deliver Israel\n from the hands of the Philistines."\n\nThis is of course not a prophecy of Jesus, or the messiah of G\'d. \nBut, it is the best that can be found. Obviously, Matthew has\nbegun to go overboard in cut-and-paste prophecies, in that he is\nsimple making them up now.\n\nBearing our\nDiseases:\n\n Jesus next goes around healing people of physical illnesses\nand disabilities.\n\n [Mt 8.17] This was to fulfil what was spoken by the\n prophet Isaiah, "He took our infirmities and bore our\n diseases."\n\nAs expected, the verse quoted in Isaiah is quoted out of context,\nand a few words are skewed to fit the Christian scheme. We have,\n\n [Is 53.4] Surely he, [the suffering servant], has\n borne our sickness, and carried our pains.\n\nFrom a reading of the surrounding passages in Isaiah, we know that\nthe prophet is speaking in present tense of the collective nation\nof Israel, Jehovah\'s chosen servant and people. He speaks to the\nIsraelites suffering in exile, in the voice of the gentile nations\nthat look upon it. This image is deeply ingrained in Jewish\nidentity --an image of a chastised, yet cherished, Israel as the\ninstrument of the nations\' salvation by G\'d.\n The verses speak of Israel taking on the sicknesses which\nare the literal and metaphorical manifestations of guilt and\ndiscipline. They do not speak of a "servant" going around and\nhealing people. Notice that the servant in Isaiah takes on the\nsicknesses and pains of the nations (and individual Jews). Jesus,\nas we all know, did not take the diseases onto himself. The\nverses here in Isaiah are not a prophecy of something to come, but\nrather something that had already happened. While it is believed\nthat Jesus took on the eternal punishment of hell, he did not bear\nthe illnesses he healed. So, while someone might want to say\nthat, figuratively, Jesus reenacted the deeds of Israel in his\nspiritual atonement, he has to admit that Matthew\'s parallel\nmisses where he intended it to have its effect.\n\n\nSilent Messiah:\n\n Upon healing multitudes of commoners, it is said that Jesus\nordered them to keep quiet, presumable so that he wouldn\'t arouse\nthe attention of the local rulers.\n\n [Mt 12.15-21] This was to fulfill what was spoken by\n the prophet Isaiah. \n\n "Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved,\n with whom my soul is pleased. I will put my spirit on\n him, and he will announce justice to the Gentiles. He\n will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear\n his voice in the streets. He will not break a bruised\n reed or quench a smoldering wick until he brings\n justice to victory, and the gentiles will hope in his\n name."\n\nThe Isaiah passage quoted reads,\n\n [Is 42.1-4] Behold my servant whom I uphold, my\n chosen, in whom my soul delights. I have put my\n spirit on him, and he will bring forth justice to the\n nations. We will not cry or lift up his voice, or\n make it heard in the street. He will not break a\n bruised reed, or quench a smoldering wick. He will\n faithfully bring forth justice. He will not fail\n (burn dimly) or be discouraged (bruised) until he has\n established justice in the earth. And the coastlands\n await his law.\n\nYou see, Matthew has conveniently left out part of the passage,\nbecause it does not suit the dealings of Jesus. Christians could\nnever think of Jesus failing, never would the "light" of mankind\nburn dimly. But, the servant nation of Israel will indeed come to\nan end when its job is done. When the gentiles come to embrace\nG\'d there will no longer be a chosen people, but rather all will\nbe the children of G\'d. Also, the ending phrase has been changed\nfrom the Judaic "...the coastlands await his law." to the\nChristologic, "the Gentiles will hope in his name." While the\noriginal proclaims the Torah law of Jehovah, the other rewrites it\nto fit its strange doctrine of "believing in the name." If one\nhas any doubt the servant referred to is not Jesus, one has only\nto read the whole chapter, Isaiah 42, and hear about the beloved\nbut blind and imperfect servant, "a people robbed and\nplundered..." So, we see that when Matthew\'s attempt at\n"prophecy" is examined, it crumbles.\n\nThree Days and\nThree Nights:\n\n Now we come upon a prophecy supposedly uttered by the very\nmouth of the god Jesus himself. He speaks of his crucifixion and\nresurrection.\n\n [Mt 12.40] For as Jonah was in the belly of the\n whale for three days and three nights, so will the Son\n of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and\n three nights.\n\nBefore any further discussion can occur, it is necessary to know\nhow the Jews understood days. As far as day names went, each was\n24 hours long, lasting from sunset 6pm to the following sunset\n6pm. What was referred to as a "day" was the period of light from\n6am to the ending sunset at 6pm. Thus, according to our time\nscale, a sabbath day began at 6pm Friday evening, and lasted until\n6pm saturday evening. This is why the Jews celebrate their\nsabbath on the daylight portion of Saturdays, instead of Sundays. \n(It seems like a real miracle that Christians didn\'t forget that\nSaturday was indeed the seventh and last day of the week!) Thus,\nwhen days and nights are referred to together, 12 hour daylight\nportions and 12 hour night periods are being spoken of. Thus,\nJesus says that he will be in the grave, or in hell, or otherwise\nunresurrected for three days and three nights.\n\n As the good book tells us, Jesus was crucified on the "ninth\nhour," which is 3pm, Friday afternoon. He then was put into the\ngrave sometime after that. Then, Jesus left the grave, "rose,"\nbefore dawn of what we call Sunday (The dawn after the sabbath was\nover). What this means is that Jesus was, using our time for\nclarity, in the grave from 6pm Friday night to some time before\n6am Sunday morning. We could also add a little time before 6pm\nFriday, since the bible is not specific here. What this means\nusing Jewish time is that he was in the grave for one day, two\nnights, and possibly a couple of hours of one day. Certainly this\nis a problem for Jesus prediction. There is absolutely no way we\nare even able to have his death involve three days and three\nnights --even using modern time measurements. We then are led to\nsuspect that this error is another one of Matthew\'s little\nmistakes, and that the gospel writer put false words into his\ngod\'s mouth. And no matter who made the prediction, it is more\nthan unconvincing... it is counter-convincing.\n\nHearing &\nUnderstanding:\n\n Jesus tool on a habit of speaking to his vast audiences in\nparables-- stories in which a deeper meaning could be found, if\nyou were already one of the elect, those chosen to understand the\nmessage of Jesus. He reasons that those who can understand the\nparables are the ones he wants. If the people cannot understand\nthem, there is no need to bother with them, since they will not\naccept the "plain" message any better. Matthew says,\n\n [Mt 13.14-16] With them [the audience] indeed in\n fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, \n\n "You will indeed hear but never understand; and you\n will indeed see, but never perceive. Because this\n people\'s heart has grown dull, their ears are heavy of\n hearing, and they have shut their eyes so the they\n would not perceive with them, her with their ears, and\n understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal\n them."\n\nThe original Isaiah passages are part of his earlier works, his\ncall to the ministry. This is in 740 BCE, when Israel is\nflourishing, right before it falls under the authority of Assyria. \nIsaiah sees the good times ending, and also a vision from G\'d,\ncalling him to bring reform to Israel and Judah.\n\n [Is 6.9-13] And G\'d said, "Go, and say to this\n people, `Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and\n see, but do not perceive.\' Make the heart of this\n people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their\n eyes, so they will not see with their eyes, or hear\n with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and\n turn and be healed." Then Isaiah said, "How long,\n lord?" And he said, "Until the cities lie waste\n without inhabitant, and houses without men, and the\n land is utterly desolate, and the G\'ds take men far\n away, and forsaken places are many in the land. And\n though a tenth will remain in it, it will be burned\n again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump still\n stands when the tree is felled." The holy seed is its\n stump.\n\nHere we see that it is really G\'d who causes the people of Israel\nto stop listening to the prophet\'s warnings, but reaffirms the\npromise made to Solomon\'s (and David\'s) seed/lineage. If you read\nthe rest of Isaiah, you find that this is done to fulfil the plan\nof G\'d to use Israel as a servant, a light to the nations. (Look\nat Isaiah 42.18-25, 48.20, 49.3)\n We see that Matthew has cut-and-pasted just a little portion\nof Isaiah\'s verse, to suit his own gospel needs. More than that,\nhe has altered the words, to make it fit the people who didn\'t\nunderstand Jesus\'s stories. And, as we see, Isaiah\'s verses are\nnot prophecies, but rather commands from G\'d to him, in the\npresent. Once again, Matthew\'s prophecy falls flat on its face. \n\n Matthew tries again to make Jesus\'s parables look like they\nhave the prophetic approval.\n\n [Mt 13.35] ...he said nothing to them without a\n parable. This was to fulfil what was spoken of by the\n prophet, "I will open my mouth to them in parables. I\n will utter that which has been hidden since the\n foundation of the world."\n\nMatthew really botches up here. He attempts to quote not from a\nprophet, but from the Psalms.\n\n [Ps 78.2-4] I will open my mouth in parable. I will\n utter dark sayings of old, things that we all have\n heard and known, things that our fathers have told us. \n We will not hide them from their children, but tell to\n the coming generation the glorious deeds of the\n lord...\n\nAs was pointed out, the verses in the Psalms do not really come\nfrom a prophet. You might also want to know that earlier copies\nof Matthew\'s gospel even inserted Isaiah\'s name as this prophet. \nApparently, later scribes caught the error and tried to cover some\nof it up.\n Perhaps the most significant part of this is that, once\nagain, Matthew has altered the Old Testament Scriptures. As Jesus\nhas said earlier, he speaks in parables so that some will not\nunderstand them. The parables in the Psalms are not to be hidden. \nFurther, they speak of things "known, that our fathers have told\nus." Jesus deals with things "hidden since the foundation of the\nworld." Indeed Jesus dealt in a lot of secrecy and confusion. \nThis is in direct opposition to the parables in the Psalms. No\nwonder Matthew had to rewrite them! And still once again,\nMatthew\'s artificial prophecies fall flat on their face. But,\nChristians rarely look at this. Matthew\'s prophecies aren\'t the\nonly things about Christianity that are beginning to look bad.\n\n\nExcuses of\nLittle Faith:\n\n In Mt. 17.14-21, we see that the disciples are able to go\naround casting out demons, except in one case. Not knowing what\nepilepsy was, the people thought those with the disease were\npossesed with demons. It is no wonder that the disciples were\nunable to "dispossess" the epileptic. But, Jesus, perhaps no more\nenlightened than they, is reported to have rebuked them, saying\nthey didn\'t have enough faith. This seems strange. Why was this\ndemon special? It seems that either a true believer has faith or\nhe does not. Apparently, enough faith will allow someone to move\nmountains. Of course, you will find no one, these days that can\nmove real mountains. No one parts seas. The only miracles the\nCharismatics can speak of are those rumoured to happen on trips to\nMexico or some faraway place. Major miracles are making some old\nwoman\'s arthritis feel better on Sunday morning T.V.\n\n And the gods, including Jesus, are always shrouded in\nancient lore and writings, protected from the skeptics in their\nsacred pasts. They are either dead, sleeping, or hiding in\nheaven, with people rumouring about their imminent return and\ntheir great miracles of days long gone. Yet, life goes on. \n\n Tales of mystics, stories of miracles-- all in a distant time\nor a distant place. Gods used to reveal themselves to men in the\nold days, Jehovah too. But, now they are silent. All the\ntheologians give are various excuses as to why we don\'t get to see\nGod anymore.\n\n We\'re too lazy; we\'re not zealous enough; we\'re\n sinful; it\'s just his "plan"; we put too many of our\n own demands on G\'d\'s appearance; if we had the right\n faith, if we were willing to meet G\'d on his terms...\n\n Yet, even the most pious of men have not seen G\'d. You, dear\nreader, have not seen G\'d. Not literally, you know that to be\ntrue. (I know that\'s presumptuous and bold. But, searching your\nheart, you know what I mean.) All that we\'ve seen religions do is\nmake people feel good and content about not seeing G\'d. They say\nour little faith does not merit us to see G\'d. Sometimes, they\nsay, "See the love in these people you worship with... see the\nlives of people change... that is seeing G\'d." Thus people get\nlulled to sleep, satisfied with turning G\'d into the everyday\nsights. But, that is not seeing G\'d as I am speaking of... it is\nnot seeing G\'d the way people used to see. \n What we see in the world that is good, is the compassion of\nhuman hearts, the love given and taken by men and women, the\nforgiveness practised by Christian & Atheist alike, beauty created\nby the mind of man. These are the things that are done; these are\nwhat we see. But, it is said this is so only because everybody\nhas little faith.\n\x0c\nJesus Rides on\nan Ass:\n\n Shortly after accepting the role of the Jewish messiah\nking, Jesus requests a donkey be brought in for him to ride into\nJerusalem. \n\n [Mt 21.5] This took place to fulfil what was spoken\n by the prophet, saying,\n\n Tell the daughter of Zion, "Behold, your king is\n coming to you, humble, mounted on an ass, and on a\n ass-colt."\n\nOf course, the passage quoted from Zechariah 9.9 reads a little\ndifferently.\n\n Lo, your king comes to you; he is triumphant and\n victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, on an ass-\n colt... he will command peace to the nations.\n\nThere isn\'t all that much difference here, except that Zechariah\nonly involves one animal --an ass-colt-- while Matthew reads the\npoetic wording slightly differently. Thus, he has Jesus call for\nboth a colt and an adult ass. From Matthew\'s version, we get a\ncomical picture of the divine Christ sweating it to straddle two\ndonkeys. This could inevitably lead to a theological,\nproctological dilemma! We find that in the account written\nearlier by St. Mark, only the colt was called for and brought to\nJesus. This indeed fits the verses of Zechariah properly, and\nshows us that in Matthew attempt to use prophetic verses, he has\nbungled. Now, excluding many respectable Christians I have met, I\nhave noticed that while Christ is thought to have ridden on asses,\nthe situation is often reversed nowadays...\n\n Then, entering the Jerusalem temple, the priests were\nangered at people and youngsters calling Jesus the messiah. But,\nJesus replied as we might expect Matthew to have done,\n\n [Mt 21.16] Haven\'t you read? `Out of the mouth of\n babes and sucklings thou has brought perfect praise.\'\n\nIt is more likely that Matthew made this response up since Jesus\nwas never one to point out such little "prophetic" things AND\nsince, as we might expect, the quote is in error, which seems to\nfit Matthew\'s track record quite well. We might ask Jesus or\nMatthew, "Haven\'t you read?" for the source reads,\n\n [Psalms 8.1-2] O YaHWeH our lord, how majestic is\n your name in the whole world! You, whose glory is\n chanted above the heavens by babes and infants, you\n have founded a bulwark against your foes to still the\n enemy and the avenger.\n\nThe passages hardly need comment. There is no "perfect praise"\nspoken of in the psalm, and what praise is there is given to G\'d,\nnot his messiah king, and not Jesus. As mentioned, it seems to be\njust one more case of Matthew\'s pen making up convenient prophetic\nscripture.\n\nYHVH said to \nmy lord...:\n\n Jesus is said to have asked from whom the promised Jewish\nmessiah-king is to be descended. The Jews agree-- it is king\nDavid. But, then Jesus counters by quoting Psalms 110,\n\n "The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until\n I put your enemies under your feet."\n\nTaken at face value, Jesus is denying the necessity of Davidic\ndescent. One assumes he is in opposition to their answer. Of\ncourse, the Christian answer is that he agrees, but is trying to\nmake some hidden point, to reveal some mystery about the divine\nnature of the messiah-king. It\'s tempting to believe this, if one\nis a Christian and not interested in matters of investigation. \nBut, there are problems.\n In Jesus\'s time, the psalm was thought to be about the\nmessiah. And, it is easy to see why David might refer to the\nmessiah as his superior. We need only look at the scriptures\nabout the messiah to see that he is expected to be a great king,\nbringing the Jews to times even better than those under David\'s\nrule. Of course, the Jews listening had no good answer, and the\npassage could indeed refer to a divine messiah, such as the\nChristians worship. The problem lies in the meaning of this\npsalm, an error that apparently several Jews of Jesus\'s time had\nalso made. One must remember that there were various factions\namong the Jews, often as a result of different expectations of the\nmessiah-king. Jesus was apparently one of these adventists, like\nhis audience, who thought the messiah\'s advent was imminent, and\nwho interpreted Psalms 110, among others, as being messianic.\nWhat is the problem, then? Psalm 110 literally reads,\n\n YHVH\'s utterance to my lord:\n\t"Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your\n footstool."\n\n YHVH sends forth your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule\n in the midst of your foes! Your people will offer\n themselves freely on the day you lead your host on the\n holy mountains. \n\n "You are a priest of the order of Melchizedek\n forever."\n\nThe word "lord" is often mistakenly capitalised by Christian\nbibles to denote divinity in this lord. But, in the Hebrew, the\nword is "adoni," and no capitalisation exists. Adoni simply means\n"lord," a generic term as we would use it. It is used often in\nthe scriptures to refer to kings and to G\'d. It is merely an\naddress of respect. \n There is nothing in the text itself to imply that the word\nrefers either to divinity or to the messiah-king. That this is\nsupposed to be written by David is not certain. The title of the\npsalm translates to either "a psalm of David," or "a psalm about\nDavid." It seems fitting to assume it to be written by a court\npoet, about David\'s covenant and endorsement from G\'d. If the\npsalm had been written by David, it is unlikely that he would be\ntalking about the messiah. The idea of a perfect king, descended\nfrom David, was not present in David\'s age. We have extensive\ntales of David\'s doings and sayings-- none of which include any\npraises of a messiah.\n Many of the psalms show evidence of being written long after\nDavid was dead, in times of the exile when G\'d had put his show of\nfavour for David\'s kingdom on hold. \n The description in the psalm fit David very well. David was\npromised by G\'d a rise to power, victory over his enemies,\nsuccessful judgement among the nations he conquered. He achieved\nthe priesthood common to Melchizedek in being a righteous king,\nenabled to bless the people. It all fits.\n We do not have to blame this problem on Matthew alone,\nthough. Here, there is not artificial prophecy alluded to, though\nhis use of the scripture is rather questionable. Still, this\nevent is common to the other gospels too. So, we let Matthew off\na little more easily this time. It is interesting to note,\nthough, how Matthew dresses up the event. The earlier gospel of\nMark tells the tale with Jesus simply speaking to a crowd. \nMatthew has the Pharisees, who became the religious competition of\nan infant Christianity, be the target of Jesus\'s question. As we\nmight expect, Matthew writes that the event ends up by\nembarrassing the Pharisees. Such power is the pen.\n\nMoses & Jesus,\nHad it Together\nAll Along...:\n\n We leave the gospel story of Matthew momentarily to see a\npseudo-prophecy in John\'s gospel. The gospel story of John\ndeserves special treatment, because it seems to be so far removed\nfrom the real events of Jesus\'s career as told by even Matthew. \nBut, for the moment, we will just look at one verse. The early\nchurch leaders founded a religion on the Jewish hopes of a messiah\nking, and on an artificial extension of the original promises made\nby G\'d. When constructing the history of Abraham, Moses wrote of\na promise of land and nationhood to the Jewish people. While this\nwas accomplished eventually, under the rule of king David, the\nChristians who came along later decided that they would claim the\nfulfillment of the promise. But, to do so, they expanded on the\npromise, preaching about a heavenly kingdom.\n\n [John 8.56] (J.C. speaking) Your father, Abraham,\n rejoiced to see My day. He say it and was glad.\n\nIt would be nice to tie in approval for Jesus from Abraham, but,\nAbraham knew nothing of Jesus or a messiah, or anything Christian. \nI have tried, and failed to find any event in the Old Testament\nwhich corresponds to John\'s little prophecy. It is par for the\ncourse to see St. John making up Old Testament backings, just like\nhis forerunner Matthew. Many Christians know that their faith has\nmany of its foundations in such fraud, and it is surprising they\nstill cling to it.\n\nThe Potter\'s\nField:\n\n We are told that Jesus was betrayed while in Jerusalem by\none of his followers, Judas Iscariot. Matthew writes,\n\n [Mt 27.5-10] And throwing down the pieces of silver\n in the temple, [Judas] departed... But, the chief\n priests, taking the silver, said, "It isn\'t lawful for\n us to put it in the treasury, since it is blood\n money." So they... bought a potter\'s field with it to\n bury strangers in... Then was fulfilled what was\n spoken by the prophet Jeremiah,\n\n "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price\n of him on whom a price had been set by some of the\n sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter\'s\n field, as the lord directed me."\n\nThis prophecy is an utterly gross bastardisation of Old Testament\nScripture. First, Matthew has made a mistake regarding the name\nof the prophet. It is Zechariah who utters the verses which\nMatthew makes use of.\n\n [Zech. 11.12-13] ...And they weighed out my wages,\n thirty shekels of silver. Then YHVH said to me, "Cast\n them to the treasury," --the lordly price at which I\n was paid off by them. So I took the thirty shekels of\n silver and cast them into the treasury in the house of\n YHVH.\n\nFirst of all, the verses of Zechariah do not deal with a betrayer\nof the messiah, or of G\'d. The deal with a shepherd, most likely\na priest, chosen to serve a function of presiding over the people\nshortly before G\'d would send Judah and Israel into conflict with\none another. The word, "treasury," had been replaced by the King\nJames Scholars with "to the potter," precisely because this made\nMatthew\'s quote fit better. But, this is a blatant error. The\ncorrect translation of the Hebrew is indeed "treasury," which also\nmakes perfect sense in Zechariah\'s context, whereas "potter\'s\nfield" is totally unrelated. Whether the mistranslation was\nintentional or not seems to be beyond speculation. However, given\nMatthew\'s track record, one finds it hard to resist the notion of\nintentional dishonesty.\n Of course, Matthew would have ample reason for altering the\ntext. The thirty pieces of silver match Judas\'s situation, and if\nas most Christians seem to be, the reader is willing to disregard\nthe contextual incongruity, Matthew might have another prophecy to\ntoss around. However, the correct translation of Zechariah\ndirectly contradicts the situation with Judas and the high\npriests. The high priests would not put the money in the\ntreasury. The worthless shepherd of Zechariah does exactly the\nopposite! Of course, to the average Thursday-Night Bible student,\nthe "prophecy" as presented by Matthew would be taken at New\nTestament face value. To those, Matthew\'s work is convincing\nenough.\n\nWine, Vinegar,\n& Casting Lots:\n\n Then, Jesus is led away to be crucified.\n\n [Mt 27.34-35] ...they gave him vinegar to drink,\n mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not\n drink it. And, when they had crucified him, they\n divided his garments among them by casting lots: that\n it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet,\n\n "They parted my garments among them, and upon my\n vesture did they cast lots."\n\nFirst of all, the vinegar offered to Jesus is actually common sour\nwine, of the type that Roman soldiers drank regularly. We find\nthat right before Jesus dies, the soldiers themselves give him\nsome to drink --not polluted with gall.\n\n [Jn 19.28-30] Jesus... said, "I thirst." A bowl of\n vinegar stood there, so they put a sponge full of the\n vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he\n had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished;"\n\nBut, Matthew seems to be drawing on, not a passage from the\nprophets, but one from the Psalms.\n\n [Ps 69.20-28] I looked for pity, but there was none;\n and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me\n poison for food (lit. they put gall in my meat), and\n for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink... Add\n to them punishment upon punishment, may they have no\n acquittal from thee. Let them be blotted out of the\n Book of the Living.\n\nOf course, the sour wine offered to Jesus is done at his request\nof drink. This does indeed seem to be a show of pity. The psalm\nquoted is about David and his political and military enemies. It\nis not about the messiah or Jesus. It is then not surprising that\nwe run into further problem when we see that the "Jesus" in the\npsalm asks G\'d for the damnation of the "crucifiers," whereas the\nJesus of the gospels says,\n\n [Lk 23.34] Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, the\n don\'t know what they do!"\n\nFurther, Matthew misses with his attempt to create prophecy by\nhaving gall (a bitter substance) put into Jesus\'s drink, not his\nmeat, as the psalm stipulates.\n\n With the "prophecy" of the vinegar faulty, we naturally\nask, "What of the casting of lots?" This brings up the 22nd\nPsalm, which deserves discussion all by itself. Suffice it now to\nsay that the fact that Jesus\'s clothes were divided as told is no\ngreat thing. It turns out that this happened often to any felon\nin those days. As we will soon see, it is perhaps the least\nerroneous passage of the psalm when applied to Jesus. It does\nindeed bring up the interesting question as to the quality of\nJesus\'s clothes. For a man so removed from worldly possessions,\nhis ownership of clothes worthy of casting lots raises some\nsuspicions.\n\nThe 22nd Psalm:\n\n This psalm is attributed to David, as a lament of his\ncondition under the attack of his enemies. It becomes a song of\npraise to YHVH and of hope. Taken out of context, parts of it\nseem to fit the plight of Jesus at the crucifixion quite well. We\nwill examine the primary passages.\n\n Verse 1-2: My god, my god! why have you forsaken me?! \n Why are you so far from helping me, far from the words\n of my groaning? Oh, my god, I cry by day, but you\n don\'t answer, and by night, but find no rest.\n\nJesus is said to have cried the first sentence while on the cross. \nThis suggests that the whole psalm is really about Jesus, rather\nthan king David. Of course, the rest of the first stanza does not\nfit as nicely to Jesus or his execution. Jesus is not pictured as\ncomplaining about the whole ordeal, he is supposed to be like "the\nlamb led mute before its shearers." Indeed, Jesus doesn\'t do much\ngroaning, even when on the cross. He certainly does not cry by\nboth day and night on the cross.\n\n 6-8: But, I am a worm, and no man-- scorned by men... \n All who see me mock at me. They make faces and wag\n their heads; "He committed his cause to YHVH. So let\n him deliver him... for he delights in him."\n\nThis seems to fit Jesus\'s execution pretty well, with the\nexception of the Holy messiah being called a worm.\n\n 12-13: Many bulls encompass me... they open their\n mouths widely at me like a ravening and roaring lion.\n\n 16-18: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of\n evildoers encir-cle me, they have pierced my hands and\n feet. I can see all my bones... They divide my\n garments among them, and cast lost for my raiment.\n\n 19-21: But you, YHVH, be not far away! ...Deliver my\n soul from the sword, my life from the power of the\n dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion, and my\n afflicted soul from the horns of the wild bull!\n\nIt would seem quite convincing, and I\'m sure the early Christian\nfathers who wrote of this prophecy thought so too. Unfortunately,\nthis prophecy has a fatal flaw. The words "have pierced" really\ndo not exist in the psalm. The correct Hebrew translation is,\n\n 16: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of\n evildoers encircles me, like the lion, they are at my\n hands and feet...\n\nIn Hebrew the phrase "like the lion" and a very rare verb form\nwhich can mean "pierced" differ by one phonetic character. The\nword in the Hebrew text is literally, "like the lion" (ka\'ari),\nwhich makes sense in the context, and even further fits the animal\nimagery employed by the psalm writer. It is convenience that\nwould urge a Christian to change the word to "ka\'aru." But, to\nadd the needed (yet artificial) weight to the "prophecy" this is\njust what the Christian translators have chosen to do. While the\ncorrect translation does not eliminate the psalm from referring to\nJesus, its absence does not say much for the honesty of the\ntranslators.\n\n Apart from the erroneous verse 16, the psalm does not lend\nitself to Jesus so easily. Verse 20 speaks of the sufferer being\nsaved from a sword rather than a cross. This naturally fits the\npsalm\'s true subject, king David. As a side note, we now know\nthat crucifixions did not pierce the hands, the palms, but rather\nthe forearms. This doesn\'t say much in favour of the traditional\nthought of a resurrected Jesus showing his disciples the scars on\nhis palms. But then, facts aren\'t bound by our religious beliefs.\n\n Matthew escapes culpability this time, as he does not\nattempt to draw many direct links between this psalm and his lord\nJesus. But the psalm, like many others, was on the minds of all\nthe gospel writers when they compiled the stories and\ninterpretations of Jesus\'s life and death. How much these\nscriptures may have contributed to what actually got written down\nis a question that has serious repercussions for Christian\ntheology. It is easy to see, for those who are not faithful\nfundamentalists, how some of the events in the New Testament might\nhave been "enhanced" by scribes such as the eager Matthew. But,\nit does less to speculate than to simply investigate scriptural\nmatters and prophetic claims. So far, this has not said good\nthings for St. Matthew.\n\nThe reference to the piercing looks a lot like Jesus\'s\ncrucifixion. John\'s gospel recount, written about 70 years after\nthe fact, tells us at Jesus\'s execution,\n\n [Jn 19.34,37] But one of the soldiers pierced his\n side with a spear, and out came blood and water...\n these things took place that Scripture be fulfilled...\n "The will look on him whom they\'ve pierced."\n\nOf course, this is built on a passage taken blatantly out of\ncontext. Prophet Zechariah tells us how much of the nation of\nIsrael will split off from Jerusalem and Judah and go to war with\nthem.\n\n [Zc 12.7-10] And YHVH will give victory to Judah...\n And on that day, I will seek to destroy the nations\n that come against Jerusalem (in Judah). And I will\n pour a spirit of compassion and supplication... on\n Jerusalem so that when they look on him who they have\n pierced, they will mourn, and weep bitterly over him\n like you weep over a firstborn child.\n\nJohn\'s attempt to make up prophecy is perhaps weaker that\nMatthew\'s attempts. Matthew, at least, usually excontexts more\nthan just one passage. John\'s errors are grossly obvious and\nblatant here. It does not speak well for any of the gospel\nwriters, as it helps to show how the prophetic aspects of their\nreligion were founded.\n\n\x0c\nReckoned with\nTransgressors:\n\n After his arrest, Jesus is quickly executed for claiming\nthe Jewish kingship, messiahship. According to one version of\nthe gospel tale, Jesus gets executed along with two thieves.\n\n [Mk 15.27] And with him they crucified two robbers,\n one on his right, one on his left. And so the\n scripture was fulfilled which says,\n\n "He was reckoned with the transgressors."\n\nHere, Mark is trying to link Jesus to a passage in Isaiah 53,\nabout the servant nation of Israel. The passage is not about the\nmessiah, for if one reads the whole chapter of Isaiah 53, and its\nsurrounding chapters, one sees that the servant is a nation. The\nverses are also about what this servant has gone through in the\npast, not a prediction of what is to come, in any event. The\nservant is thought of as a criminal. This also happens to fit the\ndescription of Jesus. Had the passage really been about the\nmessiah, it still is not at all clear why executing Jesus between\ntwo thieves would fulfill the "prophecy" in Isaiah. Jesus would\nmore fittingly fulfill it with his whole ministry. He was\nconsidered a blasphemer and troublemaker all throughout his\ncareer. Locking onto a single event is a rather poor way to\nsteal prophecy, at least in this case, as we see that Mark could\nhave had made a better analogy with general comparisons.\n\n Mark goes on to tell us how "those who were crucified with\n[Jesus] also reviled him." [15.32] This is to be expected from a\ncouple of robbers. Of course in his later recount, St. Luke\ndecides to change some things. Luke tells us,\n\n [Lk 23.39-43] And one of the criminals who was hanged\n with him railed, "Aren\'t you the messiah?! Save\n yourself, and us!"\n\nThis certainly fits with Mark\'s recount, which tells how the\npeople who crucified Jesus said, "Save yourself!" and that the\nrobbers did the same. But then Luke goes on,\n\n But the other [criminal] rebuked [the first] saying,\n "Don\'t you fear G\'d, since you are under the same\n sentence of condemnation? And we, indeed justly so,\n for we are receiving the due reward for our deeds. \n But, this man has done nothing wrong. And he said,\n "Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom." \n And Jesus answered, "Verily I say to you, today you\n will be with me in paradise."\n\nNow, this little dialogue seems highly contrived. It stretches\nthe imagination a bit to see this picture of one ruffian rebuking\nhis fellow criminal with such eloquent speech. We have a rather\nstrange picture of a criminal lamenting over the goodness of his\npunishment and the justness of his suffering. Such a man,\napparently noble and of principle, doesn\'t seem likely to have\nbeen a robber. We wonder at the amount of theatrics created by\nLuke. Of course, Luke\'s recount also disagrees with Mark\'s. \nLuke has only one criminal revile Jesus, not both. It is easy\nenough to discount the discrepancy because the account was made\nup, but those who wish to believe it is all part of the error free\nwords of G\'d do not have this avenue open. This is yet another\nexample of a writer trying to take an Old Testament passage and\nexpand it and reinterpret it to suit his theology. In this case,\nthe embroidery creates some embarrassing problems, as we have\nseen.\n\nThe End of the\nWorld--\n Mt. 24:\n\n Now comes perhaps one of the most extraordinary and\nembarrassing passages in the New Testament. It is found in all\nthree of the synoptic gospel stories, and casts some of the most\nunfavourable doubt on the whole theory of Christianity. Jesus\nmentions the destruction of the Jewish temples and buildings, and\nhis disciples ask him about this, and about the end of the world\nwhich he has been warning about.\n\n The disciples: Tell us, when will this [the temple\'s\n destruction] be, and what will be the sign of your\n coming, and of the close of the age?\n\n Jesus: Take care that no one leads you astray, for\n many will come in my name, saying, "I am the christ." \n ...you will hear of wars and rumours of wars... for\n this must take place, but the end is not yet. For,\n nation will rise against nation... all this is but the\n beginning of the birthpangs.\n They will deliver you up... put you to death,\n and false prophets will arise and lead many astray.\n ...But he who endures to the end will be saved. This\n gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, a\n testimony to the nations, and then the end will come.\n So, when you see the desolation spoken of by the\n prophet Daniel, ...let those who are in Judea flee to\n the mountains.\n\n Immediately after the tribulation of those days,\n the sun will be darkened... the stars will fall from\n heaven... then will appear the sign of the Son of Man\n in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn,\n and see the Son of Man coming... and he will send out\n his angels... and gather his elect...\n Learn the lesson of the fig tree: as soon as its\n branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know\n that summer is near. So also, when you see all these\n things, you will know that He is near, at the very\n gate. Truly I say to you, this generation will not\n pass away until all these things take place...\n But, of the day and hour, no one knows; not the\n angels, not the Son, but only the Father... Therefore,\n you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming\n at an hour you do not expect.\n\nFrom this, it is clear that Jesus thought the world would in\nwithin the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples. He tells\nthem that although he doesn\'t know the exact day or hour, that it\nwill come, and thus they must be ready. Theologians have wet\ntheir pants in panic to find some way out of this Holy Error. \nBut, unfortunately, Jesus made himself to explicit. He told his\ndisciples that their generation would still be around at the End,\nand that they in particular should prepare for it, prepare to be\nswept away.\n There have been some who resorted to removing the inerrant\nnature of the Bible, and said that the phrase, "this generation\nshall not pass away..." really means "this race of people will not\npass away..." Of course, the word for generation is used many\ntimes to refer to exactly that, the generation of the disciples. \nIt is an interesting notion that when God decided to learn Greek,\nhe didn\'t learn it well enough to make himself clear. But. it is\nquite obvious from the rest of the dialogue that the disciples (at\nleast some of them) are supposed to live to the End of the World. \nThe charge of mistranslation is completely blown away by looking\nat the Apostles\' responses. It becomes abundantly clear from\nRev. 22.7, 1 Peter 4.7, 1 John 2.18, and Rev. 22.20, that Jesus\nmeant exactly what he said. The End was very near.\n\n For 2,000 years, Christians have rationalised this 24th\nchapter of Matthew, or ignored its meaning altogether. For 2,000\nyears, they have waited for their executed leader to come back,\nhearing of wars, and rumours of wars, sure that He is coming soon. \nSurely He must be. All we must do is wait. Can you imagine how\ntired He must be, sitting around up there, being holy, waiting for\njust the right moment to spring?\n\n\n So, shortly after his crucifixion, Jesus of Nazareth,\n(Joshua-ben-Joseph), died. It is said that after three days, or\nthree days and three nights, or three periods of time, or three\neternal seconds --or three of whatever they can decide makes for\nless trouble-- he was seen again, resurrected, glowing with divine\nradiance. Then the Saviour decided it wasn\'t in the best\ninterests of his new religion to stick around, and therefore\ndisappeared from sight into heaven. So the story goes, anyway. \nAs has been seen, there were many things attributed to Jesus when\npeople got around to writing the gospel stories down. To them,\nJesus was the fulfiller of all prophecy and scripture. We have\nseen, though, that this matter is quite shaky. But, throughout\nChurch history, Christians have held fast to faith, in simple\nbelief. What doctrinal objections could not be solved with\nargumentation or brute force, faith and forgetfulness kept away\nfrom question. To question and investigate has never been the\neasiest way to treat matters. Thus for 2,000 years, the\nprophecies cited in the New Testament have gone on largely\naccepted. Things may well continue that way for some time. \nPausing a moment to consider the way the doctrines of Christianity\nhave been accepted and used (properly or improperly) to support\nwars and persecution, I suppose there is one prophecy of which\nChristianity can securely keep hold.\n\n [Mt 10.34] Jesus: "Don\'t think that I have come to\n bring peace on earth. I haven\'t come to bring peace,\n but rather a sword."\n\n\n\n',
'From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n>>\n>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day \n>>> in Texas. \n>>\n>>Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n>\n>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.\n>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.\n\nEver hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done.\nHow effective is an electric stove then?\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n',
"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nDistribution: na\nLines: 25\n\nDave Ihnat (ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us) wrote:\n: In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:\n: >\tNot to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this\n: >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor\n: >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt\n: >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings.\n: \n: But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.),\n: the domino theory wasn't disproved at all.\n\nIronically, the domino theory in fact *was* a reasonable metaphor for\nthe collapse of communism, from the liberalizations in Poland and\nHungary to the border crossings in the summer of '89 to the fall of\nthe Wall later that year....and then to the ultimate collapse of the\nUSSR.\n\n-Tim May\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, \ntcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n",
'From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr10.125109.25265@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:\n\n>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:\n\n>>Could you please explain in what way the Qur\'an in your eyes carries\n>>"the excess baggage of another era"? The Qur\'an in my opinion carries\n>>no such baggage. \n\n>How about trying to run a modern economy without charging interest on\n>loans. From what I hear, even fundamentalist Iran is having to\n>compromise this ideal.\n\nWhich sort of loans and what have you heard exactly?\n\n\nGregg\n',
'From: john@wa3wbu.UUCP (John Gayman)\nSubject: Re: ATI build 59 drivers "good"?\nSummary: ATI\nOrganization: WA3WBU, Marysville, PA\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <C5FoMu.267o@austin.ibm.com>, larryhow@austin.ibm.com writes:\n> \n> How stable are the build 59 drivers? Are people having success installing\n> and running with these?\n> \n\n\n I\'ve been using the Build59 drivers on a GW2K 4DX2-66V for several\nweeks with no problems. I\'m running Windows in 1024x758 and all software\nI\'ve run has worked fine. This includes many games and the CD-based \nmulti-media encyclopedia, on which the full-motion video works fine.\nI\'d recommend you give them a try.\n\n\n-- John\n\n\n\n-- \nJohn Gayman, WA3WBU \nUUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john\nPacket: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH \n',
"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)\nSubject: USENET Playoff Pool\nOrganization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard\nLines: 15\n\nAs I've mentioned in the rules posting, I will be out of town until the\nday before the entry deadline, so I won't be able to respond to your\nmessages until April 18.\n\nI would be grateful if someone could repost the rules and instructions for\nthe playoff pool sometime next week, for the benefit of those who missed the\nfirst two postings.\n\nThanks.\n\n-- \nAndrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com\nHP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253\n\nDuring the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...\n",
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 262\n\n Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009\n Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n +-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n | |\n | There were about six burned people in there, and the small |\n | corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a |\n | tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the |\n | doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being |\n | taken to Baku. There was a woman\'s corpse there too, she had |\n | been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a |\n | hacked-off part of a woman\'s body. It was something terrible. |\n | |\n +-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n\nDEPOSITION OF ROMAN ALEKSANDROVICH GAMBARIAN\n\n Born 1954\n Senior Engineer\n Sumgait Automotive Transport Production Association\n\n Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 40\n Microdistrict No. 3\n Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nWhat happened in Sumgait was a great tragedy, an awful tragedy for us, the \nArmenian people, and for all of mankind. A genocide of Armenians took place\nduring peacetime.\n\nAnd it was a great tragedy for me personally, because I lost my father in\nthose days. He was still young. Born in 1926.\n\nOn that day, February 28, we were at home. Of course we had heard that there \nwas unrest in town, my younger brother Aleksandr had told us about it. But we \ndidn\'t think . . . we thought that everything would happen outdoors, that they\nwouldn\'t go into people\'s apartments. About five o\'clock we saw a large crowd \nnear the Kosmos movie theater in our microdistrict. We were sitting at home \nwatching television. We go out on the balcony and see the crowd pour into Mir \nStreet. This is right near downtown, next to the airline ticket office, our \nhouse is right nearby. That day there was a group of policeman with shields\nthere. They threw rocks at those policemen. Then they moved off in the \ndirection of our building. They burned a motorcycle in our courtyard and \nstarted shouting for Armenians to come out of the building. We switched off \nthe light. As it turns out, their signal was just the opposite: to turn on the\nlight. That meant that it was an Azerbaijani home. We, of course, didn\'t know \nand thought that if they saw lights on they would come to our apartment.\n\nSuddenly there\'s pounding on the door. We go to the door, all four of us:\nthere were four of us in the apartment. Father, Mother, my younger brother\nAleksandr, and I. He was born in 1959. My father was a veteran of World War \nII and had fought in China and in the Soviet Far East; he was a pilot.\n\nWe went to the door and they started pounding on it harder, breaking it down \nwith axes. We start to talk to them in Azerbaijani, "What\'s going on? What\'s \nhappened?" They say, "Armenians, get out of here!" We don\'t open the door, we \nsay, "If we have to leave, we\'ll leave, we\'ll leave tomorrow." They say, "No, \nleave now, get out of here, Armenian dogs, get out of here!" By now they\'ve \nbroken the door both on the lock and the hinge sides. We hold them off as best\nwe can, my father and I on one side, and my mother and brother on the other. \nWe had prepared ourselves: we had several hammers and an axe in the apartment,\nand grabbed what we could find to defend ourselves. They broke in the door and\nwhen the door gave way, we held it for another half-hour. No neighbors, no\npolice and no one from the city government came to our aid the whole time. We \nheld the door. They started to smash the door on the lock side, first with an \naxe, and then with a crowbar.\n\nWhen the door gave way--they tore it off its hinges--Sasha hit one of them \nwith the axe. The axe flew out of his hands. They also had axes, crowbars, \npipes, and special rods made from armature shafts. One of them hit my father \nin the head. The pressure from the mob was immense. When we retreated into the\nroom, one of them hit my mother, too, in the left part of her face. My brother\nSasha and I fought back, of course. Sasha is quite strong and hot-tempered, he\nwas the judo champion of Sumgait. We had hammers in our hands, and we injured \nseveral of the bandits--in the heads and in the eyes, all that went on. But \nthey, the injured ones, fell back, and others came to take their places, there\nwere many of them.\n\nThe door fell down at an angle. The mob tried to remove the door, so as to go \ninto the second room and to continue . . . to finish us off. Father brought \nskewers and gave them to Sasha and me--we flew at them when we saw Father \nbleeding: his face was covered with blood, he had been wounded in the head, \nand his whole face was bloody. We just threw ourselves on them when we saw \nthat. We threw ourselves at the mob and drove back the ones in the hall, drove\nthem down to the third floor. We came out on the landing, but a group of the \nbandits remained in one of the rooms they were smashing all the furniture in \nthere, having closed the door behind them. We started tearing the door off to \nchase away the remaining ones or finish them. Then a man, an imposing man of \nabout 40, an Azerbaijani, came in. When he was coming in, Father fell down and\nMother flew to him, and started to cry out. I jumped out onto the balcony and \nstarted calling an ambulance, but then the mob started throwing stones through\nthe windows of our veranda and kitchen. We live on the fourth floor. And no \none came. I went into the room. It seemed to me that this man was the leader \nof the group. He was respectably dressed in a hat and a trench coat with a \nfur collar. And he addressed my mother in Azerbaijani: "What\'s with you, \nwoman, why are you shouting? What happened? Why are you shouting like that?"\nShe says, "What do you mean, what happened? You killed somebody!" My father \nwas a musician, he played the clarinet, he played at many weddings, Armenian \nand Azerbaijani, he played for many years. Everyone knew him. Mother says, \n"The person who you killed played at thousands of Azerbaijani weddings, he \nbrought so much joy to people, and you killed that person." He says, "You \ndon\'t need to shout, stop shouting." And when they heard the voice of this \nman, the 15 to 18 people who were in the other room opened the door and \nstarted running out. We chased after them, but they ran away. That man left, \ntoo. As we were later told, downstairs one of them told the others, I don\'t \nknow if it was from fright or what, told them that we had firearms, even\nthough we only fought with hammers and an axe. We raced to Father and started \nto massage his heart, but it was already too late. We asked the neighbors to \ncall an ambulance. The ambulance never came, although we waited for it all \nevening and all through the night.\n\nSomewhere around midnight about 15 policemen came. They informed us they were \nfrom Khachmas. They said, "We heard that a group was here at your place, you \nhave our condolences." They told us not to touch anything and left. Father lay\nin the room.\n\nSo we stayed home. Each of us took a hammer and a knife. We sat at home. Well,\nwe say, if they descend on us again we\'ll defend ourselves. Somewhere around \none o\'clock in the morning two people came from the Sumgait Procuracy, \ninvestigators. They say, "Leave everything just how it is, we\'re coming back \nhere soon and will bring an expert who will record and photograph everything."\nThen people came from the Republic Procuracy too, but no one helped us take \nFather away. The morning came and the neighbors arrived. We wanted to take \nFather away somehow. We called the Procuracy and the police a couple of times,\nbut no one came. We called an ambulance, and nobody came. Then one of the \nneighbors said that the bandits were coming to our place again and we should \nhide. We secured the door somehow or other. We left Father in the room and \nwent up to the neighbor\'s.\n\nThe excesses began again in the morning. The bandits came in several vehicles,\nZIL panel trucks, and threw themselves out of the vehicles like . . . a \nlanding force near the center of town. Our building was located right there. A\ncrowd formed. Then they started fighting with the soldiers. Then, in Buildings\n19 and 20, that\'s next to the airline ticket office, they started breaking \ninto Armenian apartments, destroying property, and stealing. The Armenians \nweren\'t at home, they had managed to flee and hide somewhere. And again they \npoured in the direction of our building. They were shouting that there were \nsome Armenians left on the fourth floor, meaning us. "They\'re up there, still,\nup there. Let\'s go kill them!" They broke up all the furniture remaining in \nthe two rooms, threw it outside, and burned it in large fires. We were hiding \none floor up. Something heavy fell. Sasha threw himself toward the door \nshouting that it was probably Father, they had thrown Father, were defiling \nthe corpse, probably throwing it in the fire, going to burn it. I heard it, \nand the sound was kind of hollow, and I said, "No, that\'s from some of the \nfurniture." Mother and I pounced on Sasha and stopped him somehow, and calmed \nhim down.\n\nThe mob left somewhere around eight o\'clock. They smashed open the door and \nwent into the apartment of the neighbors across from us. They were also\nArmenians, they had left for another city.\n\nThe father of the neighbor who was concealing us came and said, "Are you \ncrazy? Why are you hiding Armenians? Don\'t you now they\'re checking all the \napartments? They could kill you and them!" And to us :" . . . Come on, leave \nthis apartment!" We went down to the third floor, to some other neighbors\'. At\nfirst the man didn\'t want to let us in, but then one of his sons asked him and\nhe relented. We stayed there until eleven o\'clock at night. We heard the sound\nof motors. The neighbors said that it was armored personnel carriers. We went \ndownstairs. There was a light on in the room where we left Father. In the \nother rooms, as we found out later, all the chandeliers had been torn down. \nThey left only one bulb. The bulb was burning, which probably was a signal \nthey had agreed on because there was a light burning in every apartment in our\nMicrodistrict 3 where there had been a pogrom.\n\nWith the help of the soldiers we made it to the City Party Committee and were \nsaved. Our salvation--my mother\'s, my brother\'s, and mine,--was purely \naccidental, because, as we later found out from the neighbors, someone in the \ncrowd shouted that we had firearms up there. Well, we fought, but we were only\nable to save Mother. We couldn\'t save Father. We inflicted many injuries on \nthe bandits, some of them serious. But others came to take their places. We \nwere also wounded, there was blood, and we were scratched all over--we got our\nshare. It was a miracle we survived. We were saved by a miracle and the \ntroops. And if troops hadn\'t come to Sumgait, the slaughter would have been \neven greater: probably all the Armenians would have been victims of the \ngenocide.\n\nThrough an acquaintance at the City Party Committee I was able to contact the \nleadership of the military unit that was brought into the city, and at their \norders we were assigned special people to accompany us, experts. We went to \'\npick up Father\'s corpse. We took it to the morgue. This was about two o\'clock \nin the morning, it was already March 1, it was raining very hard and it was \nquite cold, and we were wearing only our suits. When my brother and I carried \nFather into the morgue we saw the burned and disfigured corpses. There were \nabout six burned people in there, and the small corpse of a burned child. It \nwas gruesome. I suffered a tremendous shock. There were about ten people \nthere, but the doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being\ntaken to Baku. There was a woman\'s corpse there too, she had been . . . well, \nthere was part of a body there . . . a hacked-off part of a woman\'s body. It \nwas something terrible. The morgue was guarded by the landing force . . . The \nchild that had been killed was only ten or twelve years old. It was impossible\nto tell if it was a boy or a girl because the corpse was burned. There was a \nman there, too, several men. You couldn\'t tell anything because their faces \nwere disfigured, they were in such awful condition...\n\nNow two and a half months have passed. Every day I recall with horror what \nhappened in the city of Sumgait. Every day: my father, and the death of my \nfather, and how we fought, and the people\'s sorrow, and especially the morgue.\n\nI still want to say that 70 years have passed since Soviet power was\nestablished, and up to the very last minute we could not conceive of what \nhappened in Sumgait. It will go down in history.\n\nI\'m particularly surprised that the mob wasn\'t even afraid of the troops. They\neven fought the soldiers. Many soldiers were wounded. The mob threw fuel \nmixtures onto the armored personnel carriers, setting them on fire. They \nweren\'t afraid. They were so sure of their impunity that they attacked our \ntroops. I saw the clashes on February 29 near the airline ticket office, right\nacross from our building. And that mob was fighting with the soldiers. The \ninhabitants of some of the buildings, also Azerbaijanis, threw rocks at the \nsoldiers from windows, balconies, even cinder blocks and glass tanks. They \nweren\'t afraid of them. I say they were sure of their impunity. When we were \nat the neighbors\' and when they were robbing homes near the airline ticket \noffice I called the police at number 3-20-02 and said that they were robbing \nArmenian apartments and burning homes. And they told me that they knew that \nthey were being burned. During those days no one from the police department \ncame to anyone\'s aid. No one came to help us, either, to our home, even though\nperhaps they could have come and saved us.\n\nAs we later found out the mob was given free vodka and drugs, near the bus \nstation. Rocks were distributed in all parts of town to be thrown and used in \nfighting. So I think all of it was arranged in advance. They even knew in \nwhich buildings and apartments the Armenians lived, on which floors--they had\nlists, the bandits. You can tell that the "operation" was planned in advance.\n\nThanks, of course, to our troops, to the country\'s leadership, and to the\nleadership of the Ministry of Defense for helping us, thanks to the Russian\npeople, because the majority of the troops were Russians, and the troops \nsuffered losses, too. I want to express this gratitude in the name of my \nfamily and in the name of all Armenians, and in the name of all Sumgait\nArmenians. For coming in time and averting terrible things: worse would\nhave happened if that mob had not been stopped on time.\n\nAt present an investigation is being conducted on the part of the USSR\nProcuracy. I want to say that those bandits should receive the severest\npossible punishment, because if they don\'t, the tragedy, the genocide, could \nhappen again. Everyone should see that the most severe punishment is meted\nout for such deeds.\n\nVery many bandits and hardened hooligans took part in the unrest, in the mass \ndisturbances. The mobs were huge. At present not all of them have been caught,\nvery few of them have been, I think, judging by the newspaper reports. There \nwere around 80 people near our building alone, that\'s how many people took \npart in the pogrom of our building all in all.\n\nThey should all receive the most severe punishment so that others see that \nretribution awaits those who perform such acts.\n\n May 18, 1988\n Yerevan\n\n\t\t - - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 153-157\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
"From: peterson@pms001.pms.ford.com (Doug Peterson)\nSubject: NCAA Hockey Final\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company\nLines: 34\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: peterson@pms860.pms.ford.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pms001.pms.ford.com\nKeywords: college\n\nI haven't seen anyone post this so I will do the honors.\n\nMaine beat LSSU 5-4 in Milwaukee on Saturday night. It was quite a game.\nMaine stormed to a 2-0 lead in the first and looked like they might run away\nwith it. Maine's first goal came inside the first thirty seconds of the game.\nLSSU came back at the end of the period to cut the lead to 2-1.\n\nLSSU came out in the second dominating the play particularly along the boards.\nThe play went quickly with the refs running a no-holds-barred type of game.\nLSSU scored three more unanswered goals to lead 4-2 at the end of the second.\nNow it looked like LSSU might just walk away with the game.\n\nCoach Walsh, of Maine, replaced the starting goalie Dunham with Snow, who won\nthe game against Michigan. Snow proved to be a much more aggressive goalie.\nThe third period, like the second, belonged to the team behind. Maine scored\nthree unanswered goals in a span of five minutes after the four minute mark.\nThey were all scored by Jim Montgomery, the tournament MVP, and all assisted by\nPaul Kariya.\n\nThe last minute of the game bears highlighting. The change to Snow also\nproved the difference in the end. With one minute to go and with the LSSU\ngoalie pulled, Snow dueled with a LSSU forward in a amazing set of moves by\nboth. Snow won. It was a great way to end the game.\n\nThis year's three championships games were sold out last year in about one\nmonth. The Bradley Center holds approximately 17,700. \n\n-- \n+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\nDouglas J. Peterson Have _--____ ____\npeterson@pms860.pms.ford.com you ` / ---- / \nSafety Laboratories Department driven -/- __ ____ _ /\nFord Motor Company a . / / \\--/___/ \\/\n(313) 390-8089 \\_/ ,\\_/ / \\_/_ lately?\n",
'From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: National Crime Survey\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\nLines: 19\n\n Well, I dropped by the library yesterday, and picked up back copies\nof the National Crime Survey (1986-1990) in an effort to examine what\nit said about self-defense with a firearm.\n\n I haven\'t ground through much in the way of numbers yet, but a couple\nof things jumped out at me. First only 1986 and 1987 specify the type of\nweapon used in self defense. 1988, 1989, and 1990 refer only to "weapon."\nThe second is that while assaults rose about 3% from 1986 to 1987, w/gun\ndefenses reported *fell* by almost 25%. Unless there\'s an explanation for\nthis, I\'m tempted to mark it as a reporting problem, and as such going \nahead with any examination of the numbers would be a waste of time.\n\n Anybody have an idea what might have cause a real difference, and\nnot just a reporting difference? The survey doesn\'t appear to have\nchanged significantly between 1986 and 1987.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu \n',
"From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)\nSubject: BMWMOA Controversy \nSummary: Request for _brief_ overview\nKeywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps\nOrganization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:\n>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:\n>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. \n>\n> [...] while I agree with you that the current\n>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash \n>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? \n\nYo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?\n\nIf there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of\nus please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your\nesteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you\ngot to the above contretemps?\n\nPoints will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area.\n\n-Pete Ahrens\n",
'From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nReply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY\nLines: 97\n\nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>In <1993Apr19.053221.11240@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:\n>>>Hey Valentine, I don\'t see Boston with any world series rings on their\n>>>fingers.\n>>Yah. So?\n>>>Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \n>>>future.\n>>He certainly didn\'t earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow\n>>in the World Series? All of the ones he started?\n>He certainly did earn it! He was a valuable member of the Blue Jay team. \n\nNot particularly *in* the World Series. During the season, he was probably\nmore valuable than, say, putting Olerud out there to pitch, but yeah, he\n*was* valuable in getting them there. In the postseason, he sucked dirty\ncanal water through a straw. The Jays won *in spite* of Morris much more\nthan *because of* him.\n\n>>>Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing.\n>>Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens.\n>Your definition of "better" refers to some measurement on a scale that\n>has nothing to do with winning WS rings.\n\nUmm, Roger? Return with us to those halcyon days of a few postings ago,\nwhere the poster Valentine was replying to used # of WS rings as a measure\nof better. The concept is called "context", and you should really become\nfamiliar with it someday.\n\n>The facts are that Morris\n>has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club.\n>Clemens hasn\'t.\n\nUnless this transaltes to "Clemens hasn\'t gone into Lou Gorman\'s office with\na large caliber handgun and refused to come out until he\'d been traded to\nthe Jays," I\'m at a complete loss as to any possible meaning for it.\n\n>You can go on about what Clemens has done in the \n>past and claim that he is "better" than Morris if you want to. But \n>the facts are that Morris has shown us that he can win and Clemens\n>hasn\'t.\n\nWhat on earth does this mean? Over their careers, Clemens has "won" 68% of\nthe games he\'s started, Morris 58%. Per year, Clemens has averaged nearly 17\nwins, Morris just under 15. Would you grant the proposition that preventing\nthe other team from scoring increases your chances of winning a game? If\nso, then consider that Clemens allows 2.8 runs/9 innings pitched. Morris\nallows nearly a run more per nine innings. In fact, Jack Morris has never in\nhis career had an ERA for a single year as good as Clemens\' career ERA. But\nI forget, in the Maynardverse there was obviously some mystical significance\nto Buckner missing that grounder in 1986; had Morris been on the Sox, it\nwould have been a routine groundout, right?\n\n>Whether or not Clemens is better by your standard of measurement\n>is totally meaningless. The object of the game is not to compile \n>high figures in statistics that you have chosen to feel are important.\n>The object of the game is to contribute to WS victories. But this\n>has been patiently explained to you many, many times and you are \n>either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it.\n\nSpeaking of stupid, it has been patiently (and not-so-patiently) explained to\nyou many times that attributing greatness to players based on the\naccomplishments of their teams makes about as much sense as claiming that\na racecar has the most attractive paint job because it won the race. Your\ncontinued failure to not only understand but even to intelligently reply to\nany of the arguments presented leads me to the conclusion that you must have\nspent a few too many games in goal without a mask.\n\n>>Don\'t give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and\n>>Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would\n>>have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is\n>>due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick.\n>Yes and the dog would have caught the rabbit too...forget about what\n>didn\'t happen and open your eyes, for once, and look out there and\n>see what is REALLY happening. Forget about how Morris "shouldn\'t"\n>have won 21 with an ERA over 4. \n>When Morris pitched, last year, the Jays won. Stop crying about it and\n>get on with life.\n\nNo one is crying; the Jays won, and as a team they certainly deserved to win\nat least the AL East. They performed well in two short series and won the\nWorld Series, and I congratulate them for it. As a Red Sox fan, I hope they\nkeep Morris. I was happy when they picked up Stewart, and elated when they\ntraded for Darrin Jackson. You see, unless you believe in some mystical link\nbetween Morris and the offense, you can hardly help but believe that the man\nwas credited with so many wins last year because he got lucky. Luck runs\nout, just like it did in 1982 when he pitched 50-odd more innings than 1992,\ngave up exactly *one* earned run more than in 1992, and went 17-16.\n\nSeriously, Roger, I\'d really like to hear your explanation of the difference\nbetween the 1982 Morris and the 1992 Morris. Which one was a better pitcher,\nand why? Did Morris somehow "learn how to win" in the intervening ten years?\nIf so, then why did he go 18-12 in 1991 with Minnesota with an ERA over half\na run lower than 1992?\n\n Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\n\nDon\'t be humble, you\'re not that great.\n',
"From: hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi)\nSubject: Re: Honda Accord Brake Problem\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 32\n\nJoni Ciarletta writes\n> My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now\n> all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem\n> I am experiencing is with my brakes. They still stop the\n> car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal\n> will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself. If feels really\n> strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of\n> these days.\n> \n> I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the\n> fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil). I called\n> my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder,\n> which will cost me a whopping $250-300.\n\nYou are not alone. My '79 Honda Accord with 110,000 miles on it started \nshowing the same behavior.\n\nI replaced the brake master cylinder myself. It took about an hour and cost \nabout $45. Sure beats paying $300 to have someone else do it! If I wanted to \nrebuild my own master cylinder instead of putting in a rebuilt one, it would \nhave cost only $20 to $30 for the rebuild kit.\n\nThe Honda brake master cylinder is easy to get to. Two bolts attach it to the \nengine compartment. Two brake lines enter the master cylinder. The tricky \npart was that the brake lines were stuck tight. My Craftsmen open end wrench \nrounded off the bolt heads! I had to use Vise Grips to loosen those suckers. \nWow! Best invention since sliced bread. After that it was very easy. Bolt \nthe new part in place, add new brake fluid, and bleed the brakes.\n\nThis is quite easy even for a beginner. My local auto parts store had a repair \nmanual for the Honda Accord; it had detailed diagrams of the master brake \ncylinder and a step-by-step procedure for replacing it.\n",
"From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)\nSubject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing\nOrganization: Trivializers R Us\nLines: 16\n\nIn <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:\n>In article <C513wI.G5A@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times\n>|> or something like that.\n>... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a\n>mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the\n>compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency.\n \nYes, but in a fairly reproducible way. -40 is only a smidgen of the\ndistance to absolute zero. And in any case you're going to have to\nborrow freezer space from a bio lab or someone to test/calibrate this\ndarling anyway. Btw, you're probably going to want those big capacitors\nyou found to fire the solenoid -- High current drain on frozen batteries\ncan be an ugly thing.\n\npaul\n",
'From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Some more about gun control...\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <2071@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n>What I find so hard to understand is how come some people, apparantly\n>NOT connected with government or otherwise privileged, will\n>go to great lengths, redefinitions, re-interpretations, in a full-bore\n>attempt to THROW AWAY THE PROTECTION OF THEIR OWN RIGHTS under the\n>Constitution!!!\n>Almost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming\n>year...\n>I really wonder that Jefferson and Madison would say to these folks?\n\nThey\'d probably quote Montesque (sp?) who was once asked if Russia\nwas likely to become a democracy any time soon: "No, because\nRussia is a nation of slaves and the people get what they deserve."\nSince he said that, Russia has changed a great deal. But so, \nunfortunately have other nations.\n\n Frank Crary\n CU Boulder\n',
"From: cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Sawran)\nSubject: Bernoulli 44 Removeable SCSI Drive & Disks\nNntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nDistribution: usa\n\n \n Storage space for sale:\n \n Iomega 44 MB removeable HD for sale w/ 16 cartridges.\n \n Total storage space comes out to be about 750 MB. 6 cartridges still in\n original shrinkwrapping, unused. Note: this is NOT compatible with\n SysQuest 45 cartridges.\n \n SCSI interface required... plugs right into the back of Macintoshes,\n but I don't have a controller for the IBM. All utilities I have for it\n are for the Mac. If you have a Mac, then this is for you! I have a\n ton of software on these disks that I don't use anymore, because I sold\n my mac system. Stuff included: Most of the PD stuff from info-mac\n site, LOTS of GIF's, and LOTS of sound effects. (1 entire disk with\n just sounds)\n \n I am asking $900 for all, plus shipping.\n\n For more information, send me mail (cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu) or call\n (716) 427-0701... ask for Sawran\n \n cheers\n \n chris\n cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu\n cxs2341@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <48095@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes:\n\n> "Turkey must bare its teeth to Armenia."\n\nSooner than you expect. Remember \'Cyprus\'?\n\n> I have to say I vehemently disagree with you, I have seen\n\nToo bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established \na vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two \ncontinents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and \nWaffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in \nespionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and \nArabian Peninsula. They were promised an \'independent\' state under \nGerman \'protection\' in an agreement signed by the \'Armenian National \nCouncil.\' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the \'Congressional \nRecord,\' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, \nNazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often \nexpressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary,\nduring World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and\ncringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication\nin Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]\n\n"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)\n when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it \n becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon\n method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical\n operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." \n\nNow for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -\nextracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San\nFrancisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published\nin the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.\n\n "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities\n against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the \n murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian \n neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish \n and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see \n the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...\n Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise \n to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would \n help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of\n the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!\n I don\'t need your bias." \n\n Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.\n\n[1] James G. Mandalian, \'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,\' in the \'Armenian\n Review,\' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:\n June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: thorf@csa.bu.edu (Thor Farrish)\nSubject: Maxtor drive geometry/jumpers\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 1\n\n\n',
'From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford)\nSubject: Ryno correction\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\n\nI made a mistake on the posted article [been fighting food\npoisoning for last 24 hours...]\n\nThe second paragraph should state the following...\n\n"Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball\non a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand."\n\nSorry for the error, didn\'t know it until after posting.\n\nJeffery\n\n',
'From: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>\nSubject: "clipper chip"\nReply-To: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>\nOrganization: Canada Remote Systems\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 30\n\n I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is\nunknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I\nfound in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star:\n\n \'CLIPPER CHIP\' to protect privacy\n\n Washington (REUTER) - President Bill CLinton announced yesterday a\nplan to plant a new "Clipper Chip" in every government telephone and\ncomputer line to prevent eavesdropping.\n\n Eventually the chips, developed by the government\'s National\nInstitute for Standards and Technology, would be used by commercial and\nprivate electronics communication users.\n\n The White House said that to assure privacy, each device containing\nthe encryption devices would be assigned two unique "keys" - numbers\nthat will be needed by government agencies to decode messages.\n\n The attorney-general has been assigned the task of arranging that the\nkeys are deposited in two "key-escrow" data bases. Access to them would\nbe limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a\nwiretap, the White House said in a statement.\n\n -30-\n\n\n Dan McKinnon\n--\nCanada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario\n416-629-7000/629-7044\n',
'From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Hamas methods of Murder\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 9\n\n\n\nIf anyone gets the New York Times, the Edit page has a transcript\nof a VHS from Hams describing their methods of torture and \nexecution. I will post it later on.\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen)\nSubject: Forsale Sony D-22 discman\nArticle-I.D.: phakt.1pqnsjINNlmd\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu\n\n\n \n Sony D-22 portable Diskman forsale\n \n Good condition, flawless.\n \n Costomer AC adapter : 6v DC power supply ( tested 9v DC)\n \n * The factory adapter was tested 12v DC (AC 110v input) at the \n time I bought it three years ago. When using it, a lot of heat \n was generated inside the CD machine. Of course I wouldn't use \n it to risk this baby's life. Maybe that's why so many owners \n always complain about their portable machine going kaput after \n a short time usage. \n\n * 9v DC factory suggested\n \n LED display\n\n\n asking $ 55 plus shipping, contact Harry if interested\n",
'From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nDistribution: na\nLines: 33\n\nIn <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n>In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace <ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:\n>>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!!\n>>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge...\n>>on all replays, joe murphy\'s goal shouldn\'t have counted ! it didn\'t go in net\n>>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he\n>>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in!\n>>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn\'t occur in the playoffs!\n>>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !\n\n>I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption\n>would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the\n>net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn\'t\n>conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...\n\nIt seemed pretty conclusive to me. The puck clearly hit the crossbar\nand then came down on the line. And the announcers, admittedly homers,\nkept harping about how they "must have had a different view upstairs"\nbecause it was obvious to them, and, I would have thought, to anyone who\nsaw the replay, that the puck didn\'t go in. The referee originally \nsignalled no goal but the video replay "judges" initiated contact with\nthe referee to claim that a goal was in fact scored. This, to me, is\nunheard of. Seeing stuff like this happen gives me a bad feeling about\nthe Leaf chances this year.\n\ncordially, as always,\n\nrm\n\n-- \nRoger Maynard \nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n',
"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>,\nmlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:\n> These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had\n> expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a\n> direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God\n> is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable.\n> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to \n> God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the\n> age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is\n> repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just\n> for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile\n> alike.\n\nJews won't agree with you, Malcolm.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n",
'From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God\'s Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco\nLines: 33\n\nbrian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:\n>\n>Be warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of\n>the Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only\n>here to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am\n>"out of the loop". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I\n>indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God.\n\nI\'ve asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me. I\nreally wish I could believe in him, \'cos no matter how much confidence\nI build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be\nso nice to know I have someone watching over me in it...\n\nI\'ve gone into this with an open mind. I\'ve layed my beliefs aside\nfrom time to time when I\'ve had doubt, and I\'ve prayed to see what\ngood that would do. I don\'t see what more I can do to open myself to\nyour god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason. And\nif I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some\nother god? Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate...\n\nAll I know is that in all my searching, even though I\'ve set aside my\npride and decided that I want to know the truth no matter how\ndifficult it may be to accept, I have never had any encounter with any\ndeity, Christian or otherwise.\n\nPlease tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself.\n\n-- \n_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun\n/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j\'ai vus; j\'ose croire\n_/_/ n\'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.\n / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.\n / is that it ends. -- Rousseau\n',
'From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran)\nSubject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted\nKeywords: tires recomend CB400T\nOrganization: NCR E&M San Diego\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes:\n|> \n|> I\'ve got a \'81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it.\n|> I got it with these tires on it! The only reason I need new tires \n|> is beacuse I hate (and don\'t feel safe on) these.\n|> \n|> I\'d appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!).\n|> \n|> Thanks,\n|> Tony\n\nI\'ll throw in a vote for a Metzler "economy" tire, the ME77. Good\nfor mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles\nmy 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit \nmore than the Chengs/IRC\'s etc, but still less than the Sport\nMetzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the\nfront, and $70 for the rear.\n-- \n Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM> \n\t\t \'78 Yamaha SR500 - \'72 Honda XL250 - \'70 Husky 400 Cross\n',
"From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)\nSubject: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic\nSummary: :-P\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.C5uvBM.MzE\nOrganization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu\n\n\nIn article <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:\n (a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate)\n\n[Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted \nwisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.]\n\n\nWHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT?\n\n--The Friendly Neighborhood Alien--\n\nLife just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died...\n",
'From: mryan@stsci.edu\nSubject: Should I be angry at this doctor?\nLines: 26\nOrganization: Space Telescope Science Institute\nDistribution: na\n\nAm I justified in being pissed off at this doctor?\n\nLast Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife.\nI took him to a local "Urgent and General Care" clinic at 5:50 pm. The \nclinic was open till 6:00 pm. The receptionist went to the back and told the \ndoctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not \nsee us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed \nhere. During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several \ntrips to the back room, the receptionist told me:\n\t- the doctor was doing paperwork in the back,\n\t- the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going\n\t to the emergency room;\n\t- the doctor would not even speak to me;\n\t- she would not tell me the doctor\'s name, or her own name;\n\t- when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said "I don\'t know."\n\nI realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but\nI was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to\nbe bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I\'m still \ntrying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a \nletter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMary Ryan\t\t\t\tmryan@stsci.edu\nSpace Telescope Science Institute\nBaltimore, Maryland\n',
'Subject: Mives 4 Sale (update)\nFrom: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)\nOrganization: Hiram College\nNntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu\nLines: 15\n\nVHS movie for sale\n\nKevin Costner\tDances withs Wolves\n\nJust open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have\nto pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping)\n\nLet me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this\ne-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu\n\nthanks,\n\nDouglas Kou\nHiram College\n\n',
'From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes:\n>\n>In article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La\n>wrence C. Foard) writes:\n>>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n>>>\n>>>\n>>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:\n>>>\n>>> Male sex survey: Gay activity low\n>>>\n>>> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough\n>>> examination of American men\'s sexual practices published since\n>>> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2\n>>> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and\n>>> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.\n>>>\n>>> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday\n>>> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than\n>>> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional\n>>> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.\n>>\n>>1) So what?\n>\n>So there are less gays, then the gays claim.\n\nLast I checked I was one person, I haven\'t even been elected\nas a representative for "gaydom". Should I ascribe every thing\nyou say as representing every member of the straight community?\n\n>>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers\n>> gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of\n>> us then this is an event unprecidented in history...\n>>\n>\n>Dream on. Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don\'t even bring\n>in half of that.\n\nThats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better\nstart wondering about the validity of the study.\n\n-- \n------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! .\n\\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . .\n \\ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .\n \\/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .\n \n',
"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qp9d1$e37@dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:\n> Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there\n> that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of\n> applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they\n> intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption.\n\nUmm... I beg to differ with the phrase ``only conceivable meaning''.\nThe SDNS protocols, for example, make explicit provision for multiple\nencryption systems, as does PEM. (And I'd love to see how they'd\nmandate this new system for PEM without disclosing it....)\n\nMind you, I'm not saying that multiple algorithms will actually be\nused -- but the relevant technologies certainly provide for them, which\ncertainly casts doubt on your choice of words.\n",
"Subject: Re: Date is stuck\nFrom: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz\nOrganization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand\nNntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.132300.27816@kosman.uucp>, kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:\n> Anybody seen the date get stuck?\n> \n> I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine\n> is left running all the time.\n> \n> Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate\n> allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves\n> exiting the menu system to get to DOS.\n> \n> Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether\n> the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken?\n\nI bet it suddenly started sticking when you started leaving the PC running the\nmenu all night. There is a limitation/bug in the date roll-over software in\nPC's that means you have to be doing something like waiting for keyboard input\nvia a DOS call rather than a BIOS call (as menus often use) otherwise the code\nto update the date after midnight never gets called. \n\nSomebody might be able to correct the details in case I've mis-rememberred\nthem, but I think you have to change the menu program (if you have the sources)\nor add a TSR or system patch or something. As far as I know the CMOS clock\nkeeps the right time (in fact about 7 seconds/day better than DOS's clock).\n\nMark Aitchison, University of Canterbury.\n",
'From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)\nSubject: Re: electronic parts in NYC?\nOrganization: Why me?\nLines: 19\n\nTaft Electronics, 45th Street between 5th & 6th -- the only one left in\nwhat was once an entire district of electronics stores. A little expensive.\n\nTrans-Am Electronics, Canal Street near 7th Ave -- lots of surplus type\nstuff.\n\nSeveral other electronics or "surplus" type places are still on Canal\nStreet.\n\nI think Bronx Wholesale Radio is still in business -- Fordham Road not\ntoo far from Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. Also in the Bronx is NorthEastern\n(or was it Northwestern? Northeast Electronics?) on Jerome Avenue near\nBedford Park Boulevard. They\'re mostly a TV parts supply house, but when\nI was building CB radio projects, they were quite handy..\n-- \nEd Ravin | "A TV cop fires a gun three times an hour. A real cop\nProdigy Services Co. | fires a gun only once every five years."\nWhite Plains, NY 10601 |------------d i s c l a i m e r - w a s - h e r e -----\n+1-914-993-4737 | elr@trintex.uucp or elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net\n',
"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:\n>\tHmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record-\n>players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower\n>per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems.\n>\n\n\nI don't think so at first, but solid state offered better reliabity,\nid bet, and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up.\n\npat\n\n",
"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Re: best homeruns\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 5\n\nOn two separate occasions I saw Dick Allen (back when he was Richie)\nhomer at Shea off the middle of the black centerfield hitter's\nbackground screen. I think both shots would have traveled 500 feet.\n\nJay\n",
'From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 66\n\nPlease realize that I am frequently getting in trouble for\nstraying from orthodoxy, but here is my opinion:\n\nIn article <Apr.17.01.10.58.1993.2246@geneva.rutgers.edu>, mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes:\n> ... Moreover the Buddha says that we are \n> intrinsically good (as against Christ\'s "we are all sinners").\n\nI never thought of these two ideas being "against" each other.\nPeople might quibble about what "intrinsically" means but the\nreason we are sinners is because we do not behave as good as we\nare. The message of Christ is that each of us are not only good,\nbut great, that we can approach perfection, albeit perhaps through a \ndifferent technique than you claim Buddhism teaches. Because we do\nnot realize our greatness, we sin. Peter had no problem walking \non water until a little doubt crept in.\n\nDoesn\'t David ask in the 8th Psalm "what is man that you [God] \nshould care for him, but you have made him just a little lower \nthan the angels"?\n\nI probably exagerate in my mind what a scrawny little kid David\nwas, just as I probably exagerate what a gigantic monster Goliath\nwas, but David\'s power easily defeated Goliath\'s.\n\nRemember the rich young man who comes up to Jesus and asks what\nhe can do to enter the Kingdom, Jesus says follow the commandments.\nI always picture the smug look on his face as he says he\'s done that\nhis whole life, probably anticipating an "attaboy" from the \nMessiah. Instead Jesus gives him a harder task, sell everything\nand follow Him. Jesus is raising the bar. The desciples say\nhow can anyone do this if it\'s so hard even for rich people.\nJesus says anyone can do it, with God\'s help.\n\nJesus says not only can we avoid killing people, we can avoid\ngetting angry at people. Not only can we avoid committing\nadultery, we can control our own desires. \n\nI realize this was not your main point, but I wonder how other\npeople see this. \n\n> ...\n> \tParting Question:\n> \t\tWould you have become a Christian if you had not\n> been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about\n> any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim\n> you are brain washed.\n\n(Please forgive any generalizations I am about to make.)\n\nYour point about how "hard" other religions are is a good one, just \nas your "Parting Question" is a tough question. I think that Muslims\nworship the same God as I do, we can learn from their name "submission".\nHindus and Buddhists and Taoists, etc. claim that "God" is impersonal. \nIs God personal or impersonal? I say yes, but if I think a little\nmore my answer is whichever is greater. I think it is greater \nto be a personal entity, with an individual consciousness, but\nyou\'re right that that might be a cultural bias. If I think more\nI must admit that God\'s personal nature is as far beyond my\nconception as His impersonal nature is beyond the Hindu\'s\nconception. If somehow Jesus could fit into Hindu cosmology\nthen maybe I wouldn\'t have a problem, though that is hard to imagine.\n\nAre there any former (or present) "Eastern Religion" members here \nwho could comment?\n\nChris Mussack\n',
'From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 19\n\nI\'ve had my Fluke 8060A here at work for just over 10 years now.\nIt is a wonderful meter. Several colleagues here have some of the\nnewer Fluke meters, though I still would just as soon hang on to my\n8060. The 8060 a is the 1980s digial "analog" to the Simpson 260\nanalog DMM of the 1950-1960s. There was/is (?) an 8060B that had\nextended frequency response.\n\nI\'ve got a nifty little pen shaped meter made by Soar that I keep\nin my toolbox at home. I\'ve had that for six or seven years now\nand only replaced the batteries a couple of timees; it is more than\nadequate for day-to-day hobby use. I think Soar OEMs their stuff\nfor a number of vendors. Some of JDR Microdevices\' stuff looks\nrather similar to Soar\'s.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED\n',
"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)\nSubject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Thur, April 15, 1993\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nLines: 278\n\nPhiladelphia 1 2 4--7\nBuffalo 0 3 1--4\nFirst period\n 1, Philadelphia, Recchi 52 (Galley, Lindros) 0:18.\nSecond period\n 2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 11 (Dineen, Eklund) pp, 2:15.\n 3, Philadelphia, Dineen 33 (McGill) sh, 5:40.\n 4, Buffalo, Barnaby 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) pp, 7:48.\n 5, Buffalo, Wood 18 (LaFontaine, Ledyard) pp, 17:34.\n 6, Buffalo, Mogilny 75 (Hawerchuk, Carney) pp, 18:56.\nThird period\n 7, Philadelphia, Eklund 11 (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42.\n 8, Buffalo, Mogilny 76 (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24.\n 9, Philadelphia, Dineen 34 (Brind'Amour) pp, 6:44.\n 10, Philadelphia, Dineen 35 (Brind'Amour, Galley) sh, 8:39.\n 11, Philadelphia, Acton 8 (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48.\n\nPhiladelphia: 7 Power play: 5-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 2 Total: 4\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nActon 1 0 1\nBeranek 0 1 1\nBrind'Amour 0 3 3\nDineen 3 3 6\nEklund 1 1 2\nGalley 0 2 2\nHawgood 1 0 1\nLindros 0 1 1\nMcGill 0 1 1\nRecchi 1 0 1\n\nBuffalo: 4 Power play: 10-3\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBarnaby 1 0 1\nCarney 0 1 1\nErrey 0 1 1\nHawerchuk 0 2 2\nLaFontaine 0 2 2\nLedyard 0 1 1\nMogilny 2 0 2\nSmehlik 0 1 1\nWood 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nMinnesota 1 1 1--3\nDetroit 0 2 3--5\nFirst period\n 1, Minnesota, McPhee 18 (Ludwig) 1:23.\nSecond period\n 2, Minnesota, Dahlen 34 (Courtnall, Gagner) pp, 0:31.\n 3, Detroit, Drake 18 (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14.\n 4, Detroit, Ysebaert 34 (Lidstrom, Howe) pp, 17:37.\nThird period\n 5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 41 (Coffey, Chiasson) pp, 0:32.\n 6, Detroit, Kennedy 19 (Burr, Probert) 3:42.\n 7, Detroit, Yzerman 58 (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17.\n 8, Minnesota, Dahlen 35 (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11.\n\nDetroit: 5 Power play: 4-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBurr 0 1 1\nChiasson 0 1 1\nCiccarelli 1 1 2\nCoffey 0 1 1\nDrake 1 0 1\nGallant 0 1 1\nHowe 0 2 2\nKennedy 1 0 1\nLidstrom 0 1 1\nOgrodnick 0 1 1\nProbert 0 1 1\nYsebaert 1 0 1\nYzerman 1 0 1\n\nMinnesota: 3 Power play: 2-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nCourtnall 0 2 2\nDahlen 2 0 2\nGagner 0 2 2\nLudwig 0 1 1\nMcPhee 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nEdmonton 0 0 0--0\nWinnipeg 1 2 0--3\nFirst period\n 1, Winnipeg, Shannon 20 (Steen, Davydov) pp, 2:08.\nSecond period\n 2, Winnipeg, Selanne 76 (Olausson) 5:25.\n 3, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 25 (Selanne) 19:42.\nThird period\n No scoring.\n\nWinnipeg: 3 Power play: 6-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nDavydov 0 1 1\nOlausson 0 1 1\nSelanne 1 1 2\nShannon 1 0 1\nSteen 0 1 1\nZhamnov 1 0 1\n\nEdmonton: 0 Power play: 3-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nToronto 1 1 0--2\nChicago 0 2 1--3\nFirst period\n 1, Toronto, Baumgartner 1 (unassisted) 18:40.\nSecond period\n 2, Chicago, Roenick 50 (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29.\n 3, Toronto, Andreychuk 55 (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22.\n 4, Chicago, Murphy 7 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 19:05.\nThird period\n 5, Chicago, Matteau 15 (unassisted) 10:51.\nError: Power play goal mismatch. Assuming calc value.\nError: Team: Toronto Calc: 0 Read: 1\n\nChicago: 3 Power play: 7-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nChelios 0 2 2\nMatteau 1 0 1\nMurphy 1 1 2\nRoenick 1 1 2\n\nToronto: 2 Power play: 3-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAndreychuk 1 0 1\nBaumgartner 1 0 1\nLefebvre 0 1 1\nMironov 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nFirst period\n 1, St Louis, Shanahan 50 (Brown, Felsner) 10:44.\n 2, St Louis, Miller 23 (Bassen, Brown) 19:38.\n 3, St Louis, Bassen 8 (Zombo) 19:48.\nSecond period\n 4, St Louis, Bassen 9 (Hedican, Miller) 0:14.\n 5, St Louis, Miller 24 (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09.\n 6, Tampa Bay, Maltais 7(Hamrlik) 11:27.\n 7, Tampa Bay, Bergland 3 (Hervey, Gilhen) 17:16.\n 8, St Louis, Shanahan 51 (Emerson) 19:38.\nThird period\n 9, Tampa Bay, Creighton 19 (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40.\n 10, Tampa Bay, Chambers 10 (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37.\n 11, Tampa Bay, Cole 12 (Beers, Bradley) 11:58.\n\nSt Louis: 6 Power play: 4-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBassen 2 1 3\nBrown 0 2 2\nEmerson 0 1 1\nFelsner 0 1 1\nHedican 0 2 2\nMiller 2 1 3\nShanahan 2 0 2\nZombo 0 2 2\n\nTampa Bay: 5 Power play: 3-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBeers 0 1 1\nBergevin 0 1 1\nBergland 1 1 2\nBradley 0 1 1\nChambers 1 0 1\nCole 1 1 2\nCreighton 1 0 1\nGilhen 0 1 1\nHamrlik 0 1 1\nHervey 0 1 1\nMaltais 1 0 1\nZamuner 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nSan Jose 0 1 2--3\nCalgary 0 4 3--7\nFirst period\n No scoring.\nSecond period\n 1, San Jose, Garpenlov 22 (Odgers, Gaudreau) pp, 3:37.\n 2, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 38 (MacInnis, Suter) pp, 5:26.\n 3, Calgary, Ranheim 21 (Otto, Suter) 10:43.\n 4, Calgary, Yawney 1 (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26.\n 5, Calgary, Berube 4 (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45.\nThird period\n 6, San Jose, Wood 1 (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00.\n 7, Calgary, Reichel 40 (unassisted) 9:26.\n 8, Calgary, Roberts 38 (Musil, Paslawski) pp, 12:27.\n 9, San Jose, Kisio 26 (unassisted) 13:10.\n 10, Calgary, Paslawski 18 (Ashton, Stern) 16:16.\n\nCalgary: 7 Power play: 4-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAshton 0 1 1\nBerube 1 0 1\nMacInnis 0 1 1\nMusil 0 1 1\nNieuwendyk 1 1 2\nOtto 0 1 1\nPaslawski 1 2 3\nRanheim 1 0 1\nReichel 1 0 1\nRoberts 1 1 2\nSkrudland 0 1 1\nStern 0 1 1\nSuter 0 2 2\nYawney 1 0 1\n\nSan Jose: 3 Power play: 3-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nGarpenlov 1 0 1\nGaudreau 0 1 1\nKisio 1 1 2\nOdgers 0 2 2\nWood 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nVancouver 1 2 5--8\nLos Angeles 2 3 1--6\nFirst period\n 1, Los Angeles, Robitaille 63 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39.\n 2, Vancouver, Babych 3 (Craven, Nedved) pp, 9:43.\n 3, Los Angeles, Sandstrom 25 (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06.\nSecond period\n 4, Vancouver, Linden 32 (Ronning, Courtnall) pp, 0:54.\n 5, Vancouver, Ward 22 (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24.\n 6, Los Angeles, Gretzky 16 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57.\n 7, Los Angeles, Zhitnik 12 (Kurri, Robitaille) pp, 14:02.\n 8, Los Angeles, Millen 23 (Hardy) pp, 16:57.\nThird period\n 9, Vancouver, Ronning 27 (Dirk) 5:28.\n 10, Vancouver, Ronning 28 (Courtnall, Linden) pp, 11:15.\n 11, Vancouver, Linden 33 (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27.\n 12, Los Angeles, Donnelly 29 (Millen, Granato) pp, 14:35.\n 13, Vancouver, Courtnall 31 (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54.\n 14, Vancouver, Ronning 29 (Linden, Diduck) en, 18:47.\n\nVancouver: 8 Power play: 6-3 Special goals: pp: 3 en: 1 Total: 4\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBabych 1 0 1\nCourtnall 1 3 4\nCraven 0 1 1\nDiduck 0 1 1\nDirk 0 1 1\nHunter 0 1 1\nLinden 2 2 4\nNedved 0 2 2\nRatushny 0 1 1\nRonning 3 3 6\nWard 1 0 1\n\nLos Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-3\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nDonnelly 1 0 1\nGranato 0 1 1\nGretzky 1 2 3\nHardy 0 1 1\nKurri 0 1 1\nMillen 1 1 2\nRobitaille 1 3 4\nSandstrom 1 2 3\nZhitnik 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\n",
'From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We\'re Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nDistribution: na\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 44\n\nJim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote:\n: In article <C4u3x5.Fw7@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve \n: Manes) writes:\n: [...]\n: > I don\'t know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO\n: > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun\n: > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More\n: > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15)\n: > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National\n: > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs\n: > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They\'re offered for emphasis, not comparison).\n: > \n\n: You\'re a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them\n: to be superior,\n\nI\'ve made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any\nposting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information.\nIt\'s probably because I bothered to post any references at all while\nothers seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that\nyou\'ve confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize. \n\n: then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying \n\nWell then, here\'s fair opportunity for you to prove that I\'ve "twisted\nnumbers." On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have\nany citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar\ngratuitous shots at?\n\n: to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population \n: differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might \n: attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for "emphasis, not \n: comparison"? Emphasis of what?\n\nNitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim.\n\n: Anything else is blowing smoke.\n\nYou seddit, brudda.\n \n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t New York, NY, USA =o&>o\n\n',
"From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King)\nSubject: A Move we won't see (was Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win.....)\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu\nSummary: it would be tragic if ted simmons were to pick up mo vaughn\n\nstwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly) writes:\n>1. Mo Vaughn CAN hit .400 in the spring.\n>1b. Mo Vaughn CAN Only hit .230 during the season.\n\nExcellent point. I hope to God that Ted Simmons doesn't get the weird\nidea of trading for the guy. And if he does, he had better not\ninclude Jeff King in the deal. Oh God--what if he traded Zane Smith\nand Jeff King for Vaughn and Greg Blosser? It would be worse than The\nNichols Curse!\n\nHmm, I guess that doesn't sound sincere enough. Oh well, at least I\ntried...\n\njking\n",
'From: Aaron Herskowitz <aherskow@alleg.edu>\nSubject: For Sale: Borland C++ w/ Application Frameworks 3.1\nReply-To: aherskow@alleg.edu\nOrganization: Allegheny College\n\n[Please excuse me if this is inappropriate to post here, but I do not read \nthese groups normally and I did not see any PC related marketplace \nnewsgroups]\n\nFOR SALE: Borland C++ with Application Frameworks 3.1 (Full Professional \nDeveloper Kit)\n\nBorland C++ Programming Package including unopened software, unopened \nmanuals, and registration card.\n\nSOFTWARE INCLUDES:\n1. *Still plastic wrapped* high density 5.25 inch disks for Borland C++:\n\ttotal of 18 diskettes in 2 individually wrapped packages, each\n\tdisk has "Borland C++" and "BC++ & APP. FRAMEWORKS 3.1" on label\n2. Amish System Utilities for Windows (one 5.25" high density disk):\n\tAmish Launch\n\tAmish Desk Utilities for Windows\n3. Phar Lap\'s 286|DOS-Extender Lite Version 2.5 (one 5.25" HD disk)\n\nMANUALS INCLUDE:\n1. *Still Plastic Wrapped* Manuals include (i.e. unopened):\n\tA. Boland Windows API Volumes:\n\t\tI: Reference Guide\n\t\tII: Reference Guide\n\t\tIII: Windows 3.1 Reference Guide\n\tB. Borland Turbo Debugger 3.0 User\'s Guide\n\tC. Borland Turbo Profiler 3.0 User\'s Guide\n\tD. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Users Guide\n\tE. Borland C++ 3.1 User\'s Guide:\n\t\tintegrated environment\n\t\toptimization\n\t\tcommand line compiler\n\t\tinstallation\n\tF. Borland C++ 3.1 Programmer\'s Guide:\n\t\tlanguage structure, class libraries, advanced prgramming\n\t\ttechniques, anci c implementaion\n\tG. Borland C++ 3.1 Library Reference:\n\t\truntime library, global variables, cross-reference\n\tH. Borland C++ 3.1 Tools and Utilities Guide:\n\t\terror messages, winsightm make, help/resource compilers,\n\t\ttlink\n\tI. Borland Object Windows for C++ User\'s Guide:\n\t\ttutorials, class reference\n\t\t\n2. Opened (no plastic wrapping, but unread) Manuals include:\n\tA. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Quick Reference Guide\n\tB. Borland Turbo Vision for C++ User\'s Guide\n\tC. Borland Resource Workshop User\'s Guide\n\nThis package was purchased by a former employee of my father\'s and my \nfather has asked me to try and sell it since neither of us have any use \nfor it.\n\nRetails for $749, most software houses have it for approx. $480. I am \nasking $400.\n\nIf you are interested, please e-mail me directly because I do not normally \nread this newsgroup.\n\n--\nAaron Herskowitz [aherskow@alleg.edu]\nAllegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania\n',
'From: PPORTH@hq.nasa.gov ("Tricia Porth (202")\nSubject: Remote Sensing Data\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nMmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 137\n\n=================================================================\nI am posting this for someone else. Please respond to the \naddress listed below. Please also excuse the duplication as this \nmessage has been crossposted. Thanks!\n=================================================================\n \n \n REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES \n VIA THE INTERNET\n \nNASA is planning to expand the domain of users of its Earth and space science\ndata. This effort will:\n \n o Use the evolving infrastructure of the U.S. Global Change Research \n Program including the Mission To Planet Earth (MTPE) and the Earth \n Observing System Data and Information System (EOSDIS) Programs.\n \n o Use the Internet, particularly the High Performance Computing and \n Communications Program\'s NREN (National Research and Education \n Network), as a means of providing access to and distribution of \n science data and images and value added products.\n \n o Provide broad access to and utilization of remotely sensed images in \n cooperation with other agencies (especially NOAA, EPA, DOE, DEd, \n DOI/USGS, and USDA). \n \n o Support remote sensing image and data users and development \n communities. \n \nThe user and development communities to be included (but not limited to) as\npart of this effort are educators, commercial application developers (e.g., \ntelevision weather forecasters), librarians, publishers, agriculture \nspecialists, transportation, forestry, state and local government planners, and\naqua business.\n \nThis program will be initiated in 1994. Your assistance is requested to \nidentify potential applications of remote sensing images and data. We would \nlike your ideas for potential application areas to assist with development of\nthe Implementation Plan.\n \nPLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. \n \nWe are seeking your ideas in these areas: \n \n (1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images; \n \n (2) Potential noncommercial use of remote sensing data and images in \n education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas;\n \n (3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data more \n accessible;\n \n (4) Additional points of contacts for ideas; and \n \n (5) Addresses and names from whom to request proposals. \n \nFor your convenience, a standard format for responses is included below. Feel\nfree to amend it as necessary. Either e-mail or fax your responses to us by\nMay 5, 1993.\n \nE-MAIL: On Internet "rsdwg@orion.ossa.hq.nasa.gov" ASCII - No binary \nattachments please\n \nFAX: Ernie Lucier, c/o RSDWG, NASA HQ, FAX 202-358-3098\n \nSurvey responses in the following formats may also be placed in the FTP \ndirectory ~ftp/pub/RSDWG on orion.nasa.gov. Please indicate the format. \nAcceptable formats are: Word for Windows 2.X, Macintosh Word 4.X and 5.X, and \nRTF. \n \n \n \n----------------------------RESPONSE FORMAT--------------------------\n \nREQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET\n \n(1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images (if possible,\nidentify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and\nstandards).\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(2) Uses of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels\nK-12) and other noncommercial areas (if possible, identify the relevant types\nof data or science products, user tools, and standards). \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data and images\nmore accessible (if possible, identify relevant types of formats, standards,\nand user tools)\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(4) Additional suggested persons or organizations that may be resources for \nfurther ideas on applications areas. Please include: Name, Organization, \nAddress and Telephone Number.\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(5) Organizations, mailing lists (electronic and paper), periodicals, etc. to\nwhom a solicitation for proposals should be sent when developed. Please \ninclude: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number.\n \n \n \n(6) We would benefit from knowing why users that know about NASA remote \nsensing data do not use the data. Is it because they do not have ties to NASA\ninvestigators, or high cost, lack of accessibility, incompatible data formats,\npoor area of interest coverage, inadequate spatial or spectral resolution, ...?\n \n \n \n \n \n(7) In case we have questions, please send us your name, address, phone number\n(and e-mail address if you have one). If you don\'t wish to send us this\ninformation, feel free to respond to the survey anonymously. Thank you for\nyour assistance. \n \n \n',
'From: grantk@nosc.mil (Kelly J. Grant)\nSubject: Strange 386 enhanced behavior...\nKeywords: 386 enhanced, Paradox\nOrganization: Computer Sciences Corporation\nLines: 45\n\nHowdy\n\nWe have been having a real problem with an AST 386sx/16 machine with\n4mb of RAM. We installed Paradox for Windows, (but I don\'t think \nParadox is the real problem here), and the installation went ok\n(windows is installed on a local drive, paradox installed on a novell\nnetwork (netware 386 v3.26 or greater), DOS 5, Win 3.1) but the program\nwill not load in 386 enchanted mode. The thermometer bar goes to 60%\nand we then either get a \'invalid command.com\' or a windows nastygram\ntalking about an illegal instruction. I\'ve checked out the command.com\nthing, but as a long-time C programmer, I\'ve crashed my share of machines\nwith pointer problems and this is a standard behavior :-)\n\nAnyway, paradox will run in standard mode, but not enhanced. We also have\nquattro pro windows, exhibiting the same behavior. Spent about 2 hours\nwith Borland\'s tech people, with no avail. The guy I talked to a microsoft\ndidn\'t want to really dig in and help, as he gave up pretty quickly.\nSomewhat disappointing, really. I expected more from Microsoft. You\'d think\nwith all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all\nthe possible problems, but I guess not...\n\nMicrosoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing UAE and General\nProtection faults (sorry, I can\'t fax anything out of here so please\ndon\'t ask, try Microsoft), which we tried. We did *everything* they\nsaid, and still no luck.\n\nSo. If you can help, please mail me. This problem is driving us nuts.\nI will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on.\n\nThanks\n\nKelly\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTHIS IS THE REAL SIGNATURE...Please ignore the following demon signature..\n\nKelly J. Grant grantk@nosc.mil\n4045 Hancock St (619) 225-2562 "The next time someone asks you if you\nSan Diego, CA 92110 are a god, you say YES!" :-)\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-- \nKelly Grant grantk@manta.nosc.mil (619) 553-0850\nComputer Sciences Corp ^^^^^^^^ Important: manta.UUCP won\'t get to me\n4045 Hancock Street "If you are given lemons.....see if you can trade for\nSan Diego, CA 92110 chocolate" - me\n',
'From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: Partnership for an America Free Drug\nDistribution: na\nLines: 104\n\nrlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:\n>In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:\n>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American\n>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of\n>\n>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN \n>CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.\n>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals \n>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. \n\nThe Supreme Court seems to disagree with you -- they have stated that\n"the people" is a term of art refering to an individual right, and\nhave explicitly mentioned the second amendment as an example.\n\nI quote:\n\n "... \'the people\' seems to have been a term of art employed in\n select parts of the Constitution. The Preamble declares that the\n Constitution is ordained, and established by \'the people of the\n the U.S.\' The Second Amendment protects the right of the people\n to keep and bear Arms ...."\n\t- Supreme Court of the U.S., U.S. v. Uerdugo-Uriquidez (1990).\n\nFurthermore, in the Miller decision, they only permitted prosecution\nfor possession of a sawed-off shotgun because the defense had not\npresented testimony and they therefore accepted the argument of the\ngovernment that such weapons have no military value -- they held that\nthe amendment protected the individual right to possess military\nweapons. Unfortunately, no second amendment case has successfully\ngotten to the court in fifty years. However, that does not change the\ninterpretation.\n\nFurthermore, it appears that others disagree with you as well, vis:\n\n "The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept,\n and wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the\n United States, as well as its interpretation by every major\n commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratifi-\n cation, indicates that what is protected is an individual right\n of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."\n - Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the\n Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate,\n 97th Congress, Second Session ( February 1982 )\n\nYou might rightfully ask "well then, what does that first bit about\nmilitias mean?"\n\nWell, "militia" in historical context basically means the whole of the\nadult males of the country. (Indeed, the U.S. Code still defines\n"militia" as all armed men over the age of 17).\n\n "The Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting\n in concert for the common defense .... And ... these men were\n expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of\n the kind in common use at the time."\n\t- Supreme Court of the United States, U.S. v. Miller (1939).\n\nThe reason for the phrase being there was to explain the rationale\nbehind the amendment, which was this: by depending on the people to\nbear arms in defense of the country, no centralization of military\npower could ever occur which would permit tyranny -- in short, the\ngovernment would remain perpetually in fear of the people, rather than\nthe other way around.\n\n "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason\n for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last\n resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."\n - Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776\n 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).\n\n "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not\n warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of\n resistance ? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be\n refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."\n - Thomas Jefferson (letter to William S. Smith, 1787, in\n Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover, ed., 1939).\n\n "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed;\n as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme\n power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword;\n because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute\n a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on\n any pretense, raised in the United States."\n - Noah Webster, "An Examination into the Leading Principles\n of the Federal Constitution" (1787), in Pamphlets on the\n Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888).\n\nYou may disagree with the second amendment, and wish that it be\nrepealed, but please do not pretend that it isn\'t there and that it\ndoesn\'t mean what it says. You might argue that conditions have\nchanged and that it should no longer be present, but you can\'t imagine\nit away.\n\nI could fill a book with detailed argumentation. Many have already.\n\nHowever, none of this has anything to do with cryptography. Lets get\nit out of here. If you insist on discussing this, please do it in\ntalk.politics.guns, where people will gladly discuss this matter with\nyou.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n',
"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nArticle-I.D.: cnsvax.1993Apr17.012019.6087\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 12\n\n[reply to mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)]\n \n>Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at\n>expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.\n>Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...\n \nThe guy didn't sound too shy to me. He sounded like a jerk. I say ditch\nhim for someone more knowledgeable and empathetic.\n \nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI\nThis is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher\nmust learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell\n",
"From: spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)\nSubject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage)\nOrganization: Personal Opinions Inc.\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.031840.18636@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>In <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:\n>\n>>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit\n>>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not\n>>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game\n>>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for\n>>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for\n>>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever\n>>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the\n>>Red Wings win?\n>\n>Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that\n>Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired\n>San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only\n>coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be\n>expected to quarterback the powerplay.\n\n\tClose Roger, but no banana, er avocado or is it artichoke ?!?\n\n\tGeracie in the Murky News said Kingston will be the new 49ers\n\tquarterback. I'm still trying to determine if he is kidding\n\tor not :). If I happen to pound down enuff pints sometime \n\tthis week I'll go back and check what stooper idiot Purdy\n\tsaid in his column. That ought to be worth a few Leafs, I\n\tmean Laughs. If I'm really depressed I'll read the SF Comicle.\n\n\tmark\n\n just say\n\n ##### # # # ###### # # ##### ____ \n# # # # # # # # # # # # -_ --__ \n# # # # # # # # # # \\ --_ \n ##### ####### # # ###### ### ##### \\ -_ \n # # # ####### # # # # # | \\ \n# # # # # # # # # # # # __________ / \\_____ \n ##### # # # # # # # # ##### ___________ / \\_____\n______________________________________________________________________________\nMark Spiegel spiegel@lmsc.lockheed.com Cow Palace:108/K/8 Epicenter: ?\n\n",
"From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)\nSubject: Re: WHAT car is this!?\nArticle-I.D.: reed.1993Apr21.032905.29286\nReply-To: rseymour@reed.edu\nOrganization: Reed College, Portland, OR\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my \nthing) writes:\n> \n> I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw\n> the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/\n> early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In \naddition,\n> the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is \n> all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years\n> of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you\n> have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.\n\nBricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford. They are rather \nodd looking with the encased front bumper. There aren't a lot of them around, \nbut Hemmings (Motor News) ususally has ten or so listed. Basically, they are a \nperformance Ford with new styling slapped on top.\n\n> ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----\n\nRush fan?\n\n--\nRobert Seymour\t\t\t\trseymour@reed.edu\nPhysics and Philosophy, Reed College\t(NeXTmail accepted)\nArtificial Life Project\t\t\tReed College\nReed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)\tPortland, OR\n",
'From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 33\n\ncjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:\n: Help: I am running some sample problems from O\'Reilly volume 4,\n: Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup\n: dialog boxes and so on.\n: \n: In example 3.5, page 76 : "Creating a pop-up dialog box"\n: \n: The application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me".\n: The button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of\n: this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the\n: first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), \n: it is *much* slower.\n: \n: Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get\n: this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response\n: time from 2nd time onwards ?\n: Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time\n: they popup in reasonable fast response time ?\n: \n: Thankyou - Shirley\n\nThanks to those who responded.\n\nWe were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods:\n\n1) running twm rather than olwm\n2) keeping olwm, but putting "wmTimeout: 10" in the resources\n\nIt has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the\nwindow manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse\nwhat is going on from this information, please post and let us know.\n\nThanks -- Shirley\n',
'From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: SHO and SC\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 53\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says:\n\n>In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:\n>>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:\n>>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:\n>>>>\n>>\n>>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is\n>>beyond me; if you can\'t handle a stick, you should stick with a\n>>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to\n>>say that there aren\'t real drivers who can\'t use the stick (eg\n>>disabled persons), but they aren\'t in any position to use an\n>>SHO anyway. \n>>\n>>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic\n>>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l\n>>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we\'d cut down on the number of\n>>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,\n>>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.\n>>\n>>\t\t\t\tJames\n>>\n>I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto\n>w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned\n>for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live \n>in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic \n>here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be\n>more fun. \n>\n>Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be \n>shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.\n>Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0\n>Camaro w/ a five speed. \n>\n>All of this IMHO... :)\n\nall of my HO\'s disagree with your HO\'s. I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick..\ndetested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...). Of course,\nDalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might\nbe of a different persuasion. And, just for the record, rarely do you shift\ngears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is\ngood up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out..\nit\'s not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway..\nonly shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare,\nunless you drive a ferrari or some such, i\'d bet) or when you hit cruising \nspeed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the \npassanger seat complaining about how you wind her "poor little engine" way\ntoo hi :-)\nJust my HO\'s..\n\nDREW\n',
'From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! (NOT!)\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as \'guest\'.\n\t<sandvik-150493181533@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \n\t<1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca> \n\t<sandvik-160493205451@sandvik-kent.apple.com>\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <sandvik-160493205451@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca>,\n>mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:\n>> This brings up another question I still have to ponder: why is there so \n>> much anti-Semitism? Why do people hate Jews? I don\'t hate Jews. I consider\n>> them to be like anyone else, sinners we all are.\n>I don\'t know, I don\'t care about ethnical rights and wrongs myself,\n>but it\'s evident that Christians consider Jews no longer to be the \n>sole selected group of God\'s people -- while Jews consider this to\n>be the case.\n\nChristian anti-Semitism comes from the obvious fact that the Jews should\nknow the Hebrew Scriptures better than anyone else, yet they did not\nconvert to Christianity en mass, thus rejecting "Christian Love."\n\n>No wonder this caused anti-Semitism. One might even\n>wonder that if Christianity didn\'t do this separation, would anti-Semitism\n>have even started?\n\nI don\'t see why not. Where are the rest of the tribal people? What\nhappened to the tribes of the Americas? Culture is seen as different and\nundesirable in the West, particular in the US with its failed "melting\npot concept." Most tribes have been hunted to extinction, the Hebrew\ntribe is one of the few survivers from the Neolithic. Of course it\nbecomes difficult at times to separate Christianity from the Western\nexperience, so perhaps you are right, perhaps it would have been a better \nworld if the cultural experiment in Christianity never happened.\n',
'From: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman)\nSubject: Re: 17" Monitors\nReply-To: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com\nOrganization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research\nLines: 11\n\nHas anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz.\nHow does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display?\n\n\n|-----| Living on Tulsa time..... \n | \n | Rusty Foreman - - - - - - - - rforeman@trc.amoco.com\n | Amoco Production Research {...uunet}!apctrc!zrdf01\n | P.O. Box 3385 phone: (918) 660-3488\n | Tulsa, OK 74102 fax: 918-660-4163\n\n',
'From: gwieman@unl.edu (Gary Wieman)\nSubject: Cards sweep LA, Mets lose, Life is GOOD!\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\nKeywords: Cardinals\n\nJust a few lines about my favorite team sweeping the Dodgers (one of \nmy least favorite) in LA (Sweet!). Also the Mets (my other least \nfavorite team) loss to the Rockies made this this a great day and a \ngreat start to the weekend as the Cardinals are on the ESPN tonight.\n\nBig Lee Smith is having a great start and the Cardinals seem to be\nhitting in the clutch even though they have had a few games with lots\nof hits and not many runs. Hopefully with the coaches stress on\nsituational hitting in spring training, the runners LOB will be lower\nthis year (probably due to the high strikeout numbers by Jose and\nLankford and Zeile\'s off year).\n\nI don\'t know why all the fuss about the Fillies. The media and all the \nFilly fans on r.s.b forget who is right behind them in the standings. \nGive the Wild Thing a week or two before he starts blowing some games \nand we\'ll see who is in first then. I believe the Cardinal pitching \nstaff is more complete than the Filly staff and that will make the\ndifference.\n\nOn a side note, a few years ago (5-6), a comment was made by some \nbaseball player or manager about the Dodger defense. He was asked \nwhere to hit the ball against the Dodgers and he replied "Fair." I \nremember it being in the "They Said It" section of Sports Illustrated.\nI would like to know who said it and what issue it was in.\n\nGO REDBIRDS!!\n\nGary Wieman\n',
"From: baileyc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Christopher R. Bailey)\nSubject: How do I cause a timeout?\nSummary: how can I force a strip chart to update\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 20\n\n\nI have a problem where an Athena strip chart widget is not calling it's\nget value function. I am pretty sure this is happening because I am\nnot using XtAppMainLoop, but am dealing with events via sockets. (ya ya).\n\nAnyway, I want to cause a timeout so that the strip chart widget(s) will\ncall their get value callback. Or if someone knows another FAST way around\nthis (or any way for that matter) let me know. I cannot (or I don't think)\ncall the XtNgetValue callback myself because I don't have the value for\nthe third parameter of the get value proc (XtPointer call_data). \n\nIn other words, I want to force a strip chart widget to update itself.\n\nAny ideas anyone? \n\n-- \nChristopher R. Bailey |Internet: baileyc@dendrite.cs.colorado.edu\nUniversity of Colorado at Boulder|CompuServe: 70403,1522\n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\\nRide Fast, Take Chances!\n",
'From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: This year\'s biggest and worst (opinion)...\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nArticle-I.D.: hydra.91528\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <C51CJB.L5z@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:\n>They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I\'d rework\n>that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here,\n>only 5 goals.\n\n\tWell, Druce pretty much sucked when he was with the Caps. He had one\ngood **playoffs** (not season). oh well. The Caps are notorious for making\nstupid trades anyway, as can be seen with the Cicarelli and Hrivnak trades.\nSigh.\n\tIn another note... I\'d have to say the Caps biggest surprise was \nCote, as many Caps fans had been expecting a lot from Bondra already.\n \n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS! ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n',
"From: JBF101@psuvm.psu.edu\nSubject: same-sex marriages\nOrganization: Penn State University\nLines: 17\n\nThere has been some talk recently of Latin rites from the early Church used to\nbless same-sex unions.If anyone has any idea where copies of these rites\nexist (in whole or in part), please notify me by e-mail. (I understand that\nsimilar ceremonies written in Slavonic exist as well. Let me know where I can\nfind these.) It doesn't matter whether the Latin rite is in the original or a\ntranslation. However, I would prefer to have an English version of the Slavon-\nic rite, if it exists. Thanks in advance.\n\nDoug Hayes @ PSU\n\n[We've had questions about this in the past. The only source I know\nof is claims by John Boswell in some talks. He is said to be working\non publication, but as far as I know, nothing is published yet. I\nhaven't heard of any other source. If anyone knows of another source,\nplease tell us. But I think we're going to have to wait for Boswell's\npublication to appear in order to see what he's really talking about.\n--clh]\n",
'From: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole)\nSubject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: The Society for the Preservation of Cruelty to Homophobes.\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:\n\n>I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior\n>from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We\'re-\n>The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought \n>that Catholics behaved better than this.\n> Please do not stoop to the\n>level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think\n>that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,\n>insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.\n\n(Pleading mode on)\n\nPlease! I\'m begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop\nmaking generalizations! I\'m a Protestant! I\'m an evangelical! I don\'t\nbelieve that my way is the only way! I\'m not a "creation scientist"! I\ndon\'t think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! \n\nIf you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling\nout (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you\ncompared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern \nBaptists, you would think that they were different religions!\n\nPlease, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the\nsame, so please don\'t write off all Protestants or all evangelicals!\n\n(Pleading mode off.)\n\nGod.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......\n--\n\t"Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer\'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq\nnyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh\'er \nnyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."\n\t\t\t--Yvan Jregzhyyre\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research\n dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu\n',
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Best Second Baseman?\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1pqvusINNmjm@crcnis1.unl.edu> horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan) writes:\n>Sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases. What competition did \n>Alomar have? Sandberg came in a year after Ripken, and the same year as Boggs,\n>Gwynn, and the other magicians. So less attention was given to Sandberg. \n>Alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre. Besides the \n>numbers don\'t count. National league pitchers are much better pitchers. \n\nYou\'re right: Thomas, Gonzalez, Sheffield, and Griffey don\'t even begin\nto compare with Ripken, Boggs, and Gwynn, so no wonder Alomar gets so\nmuch attention.\n\nSandberg got no attention his rookie year because his rookie year was\nterrible. So was his sophomore year.\n\nNational League pitchers are "much better pitchers"? That certainly explains\nSheffield\'s 1993, hm? Are you confusing "have ERA\'s that are 0.40 lower\nbecause they don\'t face DH\'s" with "much better"?\n-- \nted frank | "However Teel should have mentioned that though \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it \nthe u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."\nstandard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal\n',
'From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu)\nSubject: 512 kb VRAM SIMMs?\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi\nReply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 12\n\n\nHi there!\n\nCould some kind soul tell me what is the price of LC/IIvi/IIvx\ncompatible 512kb VRAM SIMMs in the US nowadays? The price over here\n(Finland) is so ridiculously high (about $185 each in USD) that I\nthink it is worth the trouble to try to get them overseas.\n\nThanks\n\n--\nJartsu\n',
'From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: Selective Placebo\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 34\n\n From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:\n\nJB> RR> "I don\'t doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with\nJB> RR> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%,\nJB> RR> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional\nJB> RR> medicine?"\nJB> \nJB> Because most the the time, closer to 90% in my experience, there is no\nJB> substance to the \'alternative\' intervention beyond the good intentions of the\nJB> practitioner, which in itself is quite therapeutic. [.......]\nJB>\nJB> John Badanes, DC, CA\nJB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu\n\n Well, if that\'s the case in YOUR practice, I have a hard time \n figuring out how you even managed to make it into the bottom half\n of your class, or did you create your diplomas with crayons?\n \n If someone runs a medical practice with only a 10% success rate,\n they either tackle problems for which they are not qualified to\n treat, or they have no conscience and are only in business for\n fraudulent purposes.\n\n OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984\n ran the heading: "Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by\n Drugs or Surgery," which has been echoed by several other reports.\n No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since\n the 20% magic of the "placebo effect" would award alternative \n practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine...\n\n --Ron--\n---\n RoseReader 2.00 P003228: Purranoia: the fear your cat is up to something\n RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n',
'From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu\nSubject: last\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA\nLines: 20\n\nI have two questions:\n\n1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows.\n When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text\n disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second\n line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not\n know how to correct it.\n\n2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go?\n\nE-mail prefered...\n\n _____\nWho else is still waiting for "Naked Gun Part (Pi) | | "\n\n\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\n\'/\'\'/\'Nathan\'Narloch\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'"Alumn122@whscdp.whs.edu"/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\n/\'\'/\'(Enforcer\'Burp)\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'or\'/\'"NARLOCHN@KIRK.MSOE.EDU"\'/\'\'/\'\'\n\'\'/\'\'/Milw,/WI/53207/\'\'/\'"Join\'the\'Official\'Psycho/Team..."/\'\'/\'\'/\n\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\'/\'\n',
"From: A. Charles Gross <acg@eff.org>\nSubject: I have seen the lobby, and it is us\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7FAF1313A01AC87@l-b-johnson.eff.org>\nX-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 17:40:17 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: l-b-johnson.eff.org\nOrganization: Electronic Frontier Foundation\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.113152.395@gems.vcu.edu> , langford@gems.vcu.edu\nwrites:\n>However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it\n>is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly\n>restricting. Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization?\n>(Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too\nlong\n>to start up. I would certainly join.)\n\nThe NRA is successful because (among a number of things), on the drop of\na hat, they can get a congresspersons office flooded with postcards,\nfaxes and phone calls. Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of\norganization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate.\n\nAs long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make\na call to action. Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on\nthose calls. I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is\nworking in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the\npotential of the net for political action.\n\nAdam\n* I speak for myself\n",
"From: swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-)\nSubject: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: University of Technology, Sydney\nLines: 12\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au\nSummary: Cooling Towers?. Anyone know how they work?\nKeywords: Nuclear\nOrganisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia\n\n\n\nI really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\nthis board would be most appropriate.\nI was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\nare ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\nthat have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\nactual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\nI hope someone can help \n\n\n",
'From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: Cannanite genocide in the Bible\nLines: 6\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 6\n\nexcuse me for my ignorance. But I remember reading once that the \nBiblical tribe known as the Philistines still exists...they are the modern \nday Palestinians.\nAnyone out there with more info, please post it!!!\n\nTammy\n',
'From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels)\nSubject: Fresco status?\nOrganization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900\nLines: 15\n\nI\'ve been hearing rumblings about Fresco, and it sounds like it may be\nwhat I\'m looking for, but how far is it from release, or at least some kind\nof availability? How similar is it to InterViews? If I code to InterViews,\nwill my code work with Fresco? How about Motif? I\'ve heard some mention\nof versions of InterViews which support Motif. Will it be feasible to use\nMotif with Fresco?\n\nAny information would be much appreciated.\n\n- Brad\n-- \nBrad Daniels\t\t`\t| "If money can\'t buy happiness,\ndaniels@neosoft.com\t\t| I guess I\'ll have to rent it."\nI don\'t work for NeoSoft, and\t|\t\t- Weird Al Yenkovic\ndon\'t speak for my employer.\t|\n',
"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>\nSubject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?\nDistribution: world\nLines: 4\n\nAs a minor point of interest, earlier news reports claim to have\nbeen quoting the Governor of Texas when Her Holiness referred to\nthe Dividians as _Mormons_ and called for their expulsion\nfrom TX. Any Texans have details?\n",
"From: nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz)\nSubject: First bike: Honda Ascot?\nOrganization: CompuServe Incorporated\nLines: 10\n\nHi folks.\n \nI'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82\nHonda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a\nreasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?\n \nThanks.\n \n-Nathan\n\n",
"From: sra@idx.com\nSubject: Help w/ Greenleaf CommLib 4.0?\nOrganization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT\nLines: 8\n\nHas anyone had experience with the new Greenleaf CommLib 4.0? I can't even\nget their demo winterm to run at 4800 baud without dropping characters.\n\ntnx, steve\n\n /------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n > Steve Alpert (W1GGN) IDX Systems Corp. Boston, Massachusetts <\n \\--------------------------- sra @ idx.com ------------------------------/\n",
'From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)\nSubject: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: itchub21.cs.itc.hp.com\n\nMy wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model.\nIt was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the\nmountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I\nhave read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine. \n\nI\'m quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said "once\nit\'s broken in it will feel more powerful". I had been used to driving a\nJeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92\'s Land Cruisers (Land Yachts)\nwere 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my\nown personal opinion). \n\nThey are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular.\n\n\n( ___ )-----------------------------------------------------------( ___ )\n | / | Tom Vervaeke Email: tvervaek@cs.itc.hp.com | \\ |\n | / | Hewlett Packard Co. Phone: 719-590-2133 | \\ |\n | / | | \\ |\n |___| I love animals. They taste delicious. |___|\n(_____)-----------------------------------------------------------(_____)\n',
'From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only\nOrganization: DSI/USCRPAC\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <WARLORD.93Apr20175546@deathtongue.mit.edu> warlord@MIT.EDU\n(Derek Atkins) writes:\n\n\n>\n>The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip.\n>Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a\n>copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you\n>that "they wont use them unless its totally neccessary." I sure\n>wouldn\'t want that. Why should encryption be any different?\n\nActually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their\n"product" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some "trusted" pair\nof escrow agencies) has to have the key.\n\nMost of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our\ncars (or can get them quickly from the VIN number), and I have no doubt\nthat if presented with a court order, they\'d surrender copies to the\ngovernment.\n\nChances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks\nthey\'ve installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they\'d also\nprovide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order.\n\nThe state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they\nhave a court order.\n\nBad analogy.\n\nThis is not to argue for or against the proposal, but rather better\ndistinctions are required in thinking about it than "house key, safe-deposit\nkeys, etc.".\n\nDavid\n-- \nDavid Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n our information, errors and omissions excepted. \n\n\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 297\n\nIn article <C5y56o.A62@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes:\n\n>article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know\n>what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =)\n\nVery simple.\n\n"X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide \n against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making \n reparations to the Turks and Kurds."\n\nAfter all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim\npeople between 1914 and 1920.\n\n\n<C5yyBt.5zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nhovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\n\n>To which I say:\n>Hear, hear. Motion seconded.\n\nYou must be a new \'Arromdian\'. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF \ncrooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in \nsuch a mess. That criminal idiot and \'its\' forged/non-existent junk has \nalready been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer \nand hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible \nfor the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering \nTurkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically \ncalls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian \nand criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government \nas merely a step on the road to said genocide. \n\nNow where shall I begin?\n\n#From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)\n#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN\n#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar\n#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>\n\nFollowing is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:\n\n>From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)\n>Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org>\n\n>In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto.\n>edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question:\n\n>[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other\n>[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of\n>[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna.\n\n>The obvious ridiculous "Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems" is the most\n>outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this \n>net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one\n>day!\n\n>\t\t\t- - - start yalanci.txt - - -\n\n[some parts are deleted]\n\n>In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the \n>Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to\n>revise the history of the Armenian people. Let\'s witness the operational\n>definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish):\n\n>[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1]\n>[Yalanci]\n>[Yalanci] "The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks\n>[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding\n>[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed,\n>[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of \n>[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and \n>[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks \n>[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."\n>[Yalanci] \n>[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, "Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"\n>[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157.\n\n>This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On\n>page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the\n>chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub-\n>Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on\n>Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia.\n>There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above.\n\n\t\t\t\t- - -\n\n>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!\n\n>The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while\n>covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the \n>ridiculous "historical" material publicly displayed!\n\n>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org> | The life of a people is a sea, and \n\nReceiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,"Genocide..." and\nwhat I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book\nwas like "voice of Armenian revolutionists" and although I read the whole book,\nI could not find the original quota.\nBut there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found \nthe original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:\n\n> According to Leo:[1]\n\n>"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on\n> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own \n> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was\n> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the\n> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party\n> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian\n> bayonets for their success." \n\n>[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,\n ======================================================================\n> p. 157.\n ======\n\nQUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !\n\nDAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU\nJUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.\n\nDavidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...\n\nYou are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow\nyou can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided\nnot to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise\nall the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least\nwe may save time by not dealing with your lies.\n\nAnd for the following line:\n>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!\n\nI also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.\nI hope you will be drowned in your lies.\n\nAhmet PARLAKBILEK\n\n#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan)\n#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>\n\nIn article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\n>(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu.\n>11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>\n \n>[(*] Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,\n>[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) \n>[(*] (287 pages).\n>\n>[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published\n>[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page \n>[DD] 178, we are asked to believe:\n> \n>[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... \n> \n>[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) \n>[VD] ********\n> \n>[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you\n>[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?..\n> \n>Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the \nn>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!\n \n o boy! \n \n Please, can you tell us why those quotes are "crap"?..because you do not \n like them!!!...because they really exist...why?\n \n As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source \n given by Serdar Argic .. \n \n You couldn\'t reject it...\n \n>\n>In addition, the Author\'s Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK\n>was published in 1924.\n \n Here we go again..\n In the book I have, both the front page and the Author\'s preface give \n the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!\n (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of\n pages, please ask by sct) \n \n \nI really don\'t care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)\nWhat I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in\nthe given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your\ngroundless accussations, etc. \n \n>\n[...]\n> \n>[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim!\n> \n>[VD] what is new?\n> \n>I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there \n>is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time!\n \n \n I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)\n and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published\n in 1934(Serdar Argic\'s Reference) has..You couldn\'t reject it..but, now you\n are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..\n \n Let\'s see how you lie!..(from \'non-existing\' quotes to re-publication)\n \n First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You\n called Serdar Argic a liar!..\n I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...\n (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could\'t reject it.)\n \n And now, you are lying again and talking about "modified,re-published book"\n(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..\n (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was\n first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some \'pretty \n well suited theories\', as usual)\n \n And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who\n wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian\'s lies...I also give the call number\n and page numbers again for the library use, which are: \n 949.6 R 198\n \n and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215\n \n \n \n> \n>It is not possible that [(*]\'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has\n>377!\n \n Now, are you claiming that there can\'t be such a reference by saying "it is\n not possible..." ..If not, what is your point?\n \n Differences in the number of pages?\n Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic\'s was in 1934..\n No need to use the same book size and the same letter \n charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!\n \n The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year\n first published.. \n And you tried to hide the whole point..\n the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about\n how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given \n by Serdar Argic exist!! \n It was the issue, wasn\'t-it? \n \n you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? \n \n You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a "crap"..\n People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still\n has so many "craps" in the 1993. \n \n Any question?\n \n\n<C5wwqA.9wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nhovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\n\n> Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to\n>lose count around 1.5 million.\n\nWell, apparently we have another son of Dro \'the Butcher\' to contend with. \nYou should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on\ndistortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel \nthat you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum \nyou will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to \nanother historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.\n\nI will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, \nlie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan \nto \'prove\' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is \nnothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in \nx-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, \nthat employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel \nfree to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,\nthe Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian\ncriminal organizations.\n\nArmenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,\nwomen and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and \nthose like you, will not get away with the genocide\'s cover-up.\n\nNot a chance.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n',
'From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nSubject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.225127.25062@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:\n>You exagerate to the point of libel. I gave only unpopular reasons\n>deliberately. Or do you think that we should have let Iraq absorb Kuwait?\n>I could make the tired old 1939 Poland comparison, but I think you\'ve\n>heard it. But the principle aplies, never play a Chamberlain and\n>roll over to another country being invaded. That only invites further \n>invasions.\n\n\tPerhaps we ought not to have supported a known genocidist?\n\tProvided him with weapon systems, tactical support, technology,\netc.\n\n\tWe made Suddam Hussein.\n\n\tWhat did Bush call him? Oh yes, an ally and a freind.\n\n\n--- \n\n " I\'d Cheat on Hillary Too."\n\n John Laws\n Local GOP Reprehensitive\n Extolling "Traditional Family Values."\n\n\n\n\n',
"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin\nFrom: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)\nDistribution: world,local\nOrganization: University of Arizona\nNntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nLines: 53\n\nIn article <C5p660.36t@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes...\n>In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:\n>>|> >|> \n>>|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally \n>>|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic\n>>|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more \n>>|> objective sources and isnt even accepted by those who's messiah this creature \n>>|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many\n>>|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of \n>>|> guano...\n>>\n>> Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring\n>> to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if\n>> you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and\n>> well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian,\n>> who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts\n>> are very much in harmony. \n> \n>Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the\n>Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical scholar I mean\n>an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let the\n>chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may otherwise be\n>defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. They are\n>not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others).\n> \n>Why an insert? Read it - I have, a number of times. The passage is glaringly\n>out of context, and Josephus, a superb writer, had no such problem elsewhere \n>in his work. The passage has *nothing* to do with the subject matter in which \n>it lies. It suddenly appears and then just as quickly disappears.\n\nI think this is a weak argument. The fact is, there are *two* references to\nJesus in _Antiquities of the Jews_, one of which has unquestionably at least\nbeen altered by Christians. Origen wrote, in the third century, that\nJosephus did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, while the long passage\nsays the opposite. There is an Arabic manuscript of _Antiquities of the\nJews_ which contains a version of the passage which is much less gung-ho\nfor Jesus and may be authentic.\n There is no question that Origen, in the third century, saw a reference\nto Jesus in Josephus. There are no manuscripts of _Antiquities_ which\nlack the references.\n\nIt is possible that it was fabricated out of whole cloth and inserted, but\nI don't think it's very likely--nor do I think there is a consensus in\nthe scholarly community that this is the case. (I know G.A. Wells takes\nthis position, but that's because he takes the very small minority view\nthat Jesus never existed. And he is a professor of German, not of\nbiblical history or New Testament or anything directly relevant to\nthe historicity of Jesus.)\n\nJim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU\nDept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET\nUniversity of Arizona\nTucson, AZ 85721\n",
'From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)\nSubject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [still not] ANSWERED (Judas)\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.\nLines: 180\n\nMr DeCenso, in spite of requiring Scholarly opinion on the hanging of Judas,\nrejects that the scholarly opinion of the those scholars and then rephrases\nthose scholars opinion on the subject:\n\n> ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records\n> his death. Although it\'s possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging\n> and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be\n> the case. Therefore, no contradiction. Matthew did not say Judas died as a\n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he iprobably did, but..?\n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> \n> I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars\' explanations, but\n> in looking at the texts initially, we can\'t assume Judas died. It is, \n> however, highly probable. ^^^^^^\n\nand \n\n> Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply\n> means "hang oneself".\n\nActually, if you do further research as to the Greek word "apacgw," you will\nfind that it does denote success. Those scholars did indeed have an excellent\nreason to assume that the suicide was successful. As I pointed out, I\nrecently checked several Lexicons:\n\n\t"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Louw and Nida\n\t"Robinson\'s Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"\n\t"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament," Grimm\n\t"Word study Concordance," Tynsdale\n\t"A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other \n\t early Christian Writings," Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich\n\t"The New Analytical Greek Lexicon," Perschbacher\n\nA couple simply stated "hanged oneself", and a couple were more explicit \nand stated that "apacgw" means specifically "kill yourself by hanging." A\ncouple also noted that the meaning of one the root words for "apacgw" is\n"strangle, throttle or choke" (which pretty much invalidates the guy who\nsuggested to David Joslin that Judas was hung upside down). One of the best\nreferences though, "Robinson\'s Greek and English Lexicon of the New\nTestament," not only stated the translation, it gave both the root words, the\nliteral translation, related greek words which use the same roots, and also\nother presented specific examples of the word in greek literature (to give\nfurther context). \n\nThe word "apagchw" has two root words: "gchw" is the "to strangle" root, and\nthe root word "apo" means literally "away." This root words is included in\nwords which denote a transition. It can mean a transition in place (eg: the\ngreek word "apagello" means to send a message). "Apo" can also denote a\nchange in state and specifically the change from life to death. Robinson\nspecifically makes comparison to the word "apokteiuo," which means "to kill."\nIn literal meaning the word "apacgw" means "to throttle, strangle to put out\nof the way," and implicitly denotes a change in life state (ie: away from\nlife, to death). So while the word "apacgw" does mean "to hang," it\nspecifically denotes a death as well. Thus Robinson is quite specific when he\nstate that it means "to hang oneself, to end one\'s life by hanging." He then\nnotes the the use of "apacgw" in Homers Odessy 19:230 to denote context. He\npresents that example of "apacgw" as being used to explicitly mean "suicide by\nhanging." Now since there is a perfectly good word for strangling, without the\nadded denotation of "death," and as you insist that the Bible was written by\nGod, and every word is precicely correct, you are stuck with the complete\nmeaning of "apacgw" (ie: Since the word "apacgw" was used, then death is\ndenoted as the result). \n\nBy the way, I note that Mr DeCenso also presents an example of "apacgw":\n\n> In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus),\n> it\'s only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : "Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice \n> was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house,\n> to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and \n> died; and he was buried in his father\'s tomb." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> ^^^^ \n> Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel "hanged himself" [Gr. Sept.,\n> APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, "and died". Here we have no doubt of the\n> result.\n> In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died.\n\nNote Mr DeCenso, as you say, the Septuagint was a translation from Hebrew to\nGreek, and you have not shown the original meaning of the Hebrew (ie" the the\nHebrew say "and died"), and thus whether it was simply echoed in the Greek. \nIt should also be pointed out that, regardless of the added "and died", the\ncorrect translation would still be "apacgw," as the man did indeed die from\nstrangulation (redundant, but correct). Further, we have evidence that the\nSeptuagint was repeatedly rewritten and reedited (which included versions\nwhich contradicted each other), and such editing was not even necessarily\nexecuted by Greeks. Thus I am not sure that you can use the Septuagint as it\nnow stands, as a paragon of ancient greek. So, what you really need to prove\nyour point Mr DeCenso, is an example, in ancient greek, of someone committing\n"apacgw" and surviving. Otherwise I would see you as simply making worthless\nassertions without corresponding evidence. \n\nNow I would note Mr DeCenso, that everytime I go out of my way to research it\none of your apparently contrived exegisis, I pretty much find it false. Thus,\nI think that if you are going to add to the text, something over and above\nwhat the source clearly says, then you had better have an explicit Greek or\nhistorical source to justify it. \n\nBy the way, as to Mr Rose\'s statement about trees around the Potter\'s Field:\n\n> There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom.\n\nUnless Mr Rose can show that these trees are two thousand years old, or that\nthere are 2000 year old stumps there, or has a 2 thousand year old description\nof the area which mentions such trees, then it is inappropriate for him to\nassert that the present placement of trees prove the location of the trees two\nthousand years ago (after all, things change). \n\nNow as to your other argument, ie: that the money Judas used is not the same\nas the 30 silvers:\n\n> As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the\n> money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather\n> than some other source. I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically\n> mention "the reward of iniquity" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions\n> what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 "...concerning\n> Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus."). Now I would point out\n> that when the Bible describes an act of "iniquity," and then immediately\n> discusses "*the* reward of iniquity," it would be rather inane to suggest that\n> it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed."\n> \n> \n> Notice that in verse 16, the word "iniquity" is not used. Rather, it states\n> that Judas "became a guide to those who arrested Jesus".\n> But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, "for he was numbered with us and\n> obtained a part in this ministry." What part did Judas play in their ministry?\n> ^^^^^^\n\nTrue, Peter (or the author of Acts) does not specifically call Judas\' betrayal\n"an iniquity," but for that matter, neither does John specifically call Judas\'\nactions "an iniquity" either. Further John 13:29 did not say that Judas took\nthe money box, but rather said:\n\n "Some thought that because, Judas had the money box, Jesus was telling\n him "Buy what we need for the feast"; or that he should give something\n to the poor, So after receiving the morsel he immediately went out, and\n it was night."\n\nNote that it is said that Judas left, it does not say that he took the money\nbox. Thus when I see your explanation it still seems to me you would choose\nthe a an unproven iniquity, mentioned by another author, in a different\nbook, written at a different time, over the iniquity explicitly mentioned by\nthe author of acts. I find this forced and contrived. \n\nOf course this particular argument becomes moot, since we have have seen\nevidence that "apacgw" means suicide. You see, since Judas\' hanging was\nsuccessful, he could not have spent the money mentioned in John 13:29, because\nMatthew and Mark explicitly say the betrayal was on the high holy day (ie:\nPassover), and thus he could not have spent the money before killing himself\nthe next day. Thus the money which bought the "Field of Blood" would have to\nhave been the 30 pieces of silver (Of course he got the 30 pieces of silver\nthat night as well, and thus couldn\'t have spent that either. Oh dear, I\nbelieve that the house of cards is comming down). \n\nMaybe we should at this point, discuss now whether Jesus was crucified on\nFriday or Saturday as that is now part of the argument about Judas.\n\nBy the way, as to where the prophesy of the Potter\'s field came from (ie: the\nmention of it in Matthew), you say:\n\n> Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss\n> this with you.\n\nI am reminding you now to discuss it now. It\'s all part of the same verse we\nare discussing, and I wish you would quit procrastinating and sidestepping \nthese issues.\n \n\t\t\t\tLater,\n\n\t\t\t\tDave Butler\n\n\tA wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.\n\t\t\t\tDavid Hume, Philosopher\n\t\t\t\tAn Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding\n\n PS. I would note again, that you are not stating that that Bible\n is not possibly inerrant; you are stating that it *IS* inerrant.\n Since you have been, by your own admission, presenting merely "possible"\n reconciliations (I of course don\'t rate them that highly), then the \n best you can do is say that the Bible is "possibly" inerrant, not that \n it *is* inerrant.\n',
'From: august1@server.uwindsor.ca (AUGUSTYN ROBERT )\nSubject: Address interliving?\nOrganization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada\nLines: 4\n\nWhat is address interliving? and memmory modules interliving?\nThanks in advance for the info.\nRobert.\n\n',
'From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)\nSubject: Pens box score 4/14\nNntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 44\n\nPens-6 NJ Devils-6\n\nFIRST PERIOD: SCORING: 1, Pittsburgh, Daniels(Needham, Tippett)4:14.\n2, NJ Devils, C. Lemieux(Semak, Driver)10:19. 3, Pittsburgh, Stevens\n(Tocchet, Murphy)12:40ppg. 4, NJ Devils, Zelepukin(Driver, Niedermayer)\n17:26. PENALTIES: PGH, Stevens(roughing)1:30. NJD, Pellerin-double\nminor(cross-checking)1:30. NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)7:21. NJD,\nStasny(holding)11:15. PGH, Taglianetti(roughing)13:51. NJD, Lemieux\n(roughing)13:51. PGH, Jagr(tripping)15:23.\n\nSECOND PERIOD: SCORING: 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux(Murphy, Tocchet)1:42.\n6, NJ Devils, Semak(Lemieux, Zelepukin)2:27. 7, Pittsburgh, McEachern\n(Jagr, Barrasso)4:24. 8, NJD, Stevens(Guerin, Pellerin)5:45. 9,\nPittsburgh, Lemieux(unassisted)12:40shg. 10, NJ Devils, Richer\n(Nicholls)15:53. 11, NJ Devils, Lemieux(Zelepukin)17:40. PENALTIES:\nPGH, Stevens(roughing)3:06. NJD, McKay(roughing)3:06. PGH, Mullen\n(hooking)10:42. PGH, Tocchet(roughing)12:06. NJD, Stevens(slashing)\n12:06. NJD, Lemieux(unsportsmanlike conduct)12:40. PGH, U.\nSamuelsson(cross checking)20:00. PGH, Barrasso-double minor(spearing)\nserved by McEachern, 20:00. NJD, Holik(cross checking)20:00. NJD,\nLemieux(roughing)20:00.\n\nTHIRD PERIOD: SCORING: 12, Pittsburgh, Mullen(Jagr, Lemieux)18:54.\nPENALTIES: NJD, Daneyko(interference)3:37. PGH, Stevens(roughing)\n9:18. NJD, Holik(roughing)9:18. PGH, match penalty-game misconduct,9:50.\nNJD, Zelepukin(tripping)12:01. PGH, Stevens(roughing)18:41. NJD,\nDaneyko(roughing)18:41.\n\nOVERTIME: SCORING: No scoring. PENALTIES: No penalties.\n\nSHOTS ON GOAL:\nPittsburgh: 9-11-8-2=30\nNJ Devils: 12-15-9-3=39\n\nGOALIES:\nBarrasso(39 shots, 33 saves. 43-14-5)\nBillington(30 shots, 24 saves)\n\nREF: Devorski Linesmen: Gauthier, Vines\n\nLori\nContact for the Penguins\nlli+@cs.cmu.edu\n\n',
"From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn)\nSubject: Re: Tigers-A's\nOrganization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)\nLines: 11\nNntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.185317.12231@sbcs.sunysb.edu> wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) writes:\n>\n>Weird thing: Leading 20-4 going into the top of the ninth, Sparky\n>\t used his ace closer, Henneman. The tigers have 8 relievers\n>\t and at least 6 were rested/available. Does Sparky trust\n>\t them that little ?\n\nI think he just wanted to get Henneman some work, because the \nTigers had days off both the day before and the day after.\n\nJim\n",
'From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: army in space\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\n\nLast I had heard because of budget and such the Air Farce is the only "Space\nCommand" left.. The rest missions were generally given to the Air Farce..\n\nProbably a good reason for me to transfer from the Army Guard to the Air\nGuard..\n\nI hate walking with a pack on my back, and how do you put on your application\nfor a job as a kitchen worker, that you have done a lot of KP (Kitchen\nPolice)..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I\'m not high, just jacked\n\n',
'From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons)\nSubject: Re: MAIL ORDER\nArticle-I.D.: iat.C535JA.Fvx\nOrganization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem\nLines: 24\n\n>If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise\n ^^^^^^^\n>in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and/or friendly sales\n ^^^^^^^^\n>staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business\n>with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and\n>available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item\n>than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of\n>your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered\n>elsewhere.\n\n\nSounds pretty lame to me.\n\nLet me see if I understand now. Your "friends" charge you extra?\nJust how much do you usually have to pay for a little\nfriendliness? Seems like you\'re being "serviced" by some\n"friendly" sales people.\n\n\n \nRobert Emmons Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity\nCalcShop Inc. and maintainability to save precious\nremmons@holonet.net picoseconds during program execution. \n',
"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 19\n\nnwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes:\n\n>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)?\n>Mine lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what\n>I can tell, it looks like Apple welded it shut.\n\n You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2\nseconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open\nmuch like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn\nat first but it is quite simple to open.\n\n>Also, does anyone know about installing FPUs in a Mac LC III? I've heard some\n>people saying it has fried the motherboard of the LC III.\n\n Well, if you don't match up the pins correctly you will have some\nproblems. A close look at the socket should give you an idea of the\nproper orientation of the chip.\n\n-Hades\n",
'From: rvpst2+@pitt.edu (Richard V Polinski)\nSubject: Re: Winning Streaks\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes:\n \n>\n> The Penguins 18 game unbeaten streak carries over to next season.\n>Meaning, if they start the season with another 18 game unbeaten streak, they\n>will have eclipsed the Flyers record. Right now, the Penguins are on an 11\n>game winning streak, as streaks carry over from one year to another.\n\nHmmmm, I\'m not sure this is true. According to Mike Lang and good old\nStagie, along with the rest of the TV crews in pittsburgh, they \nwinning streak could have stopped because it is a regular season mark.\nI would think this would also hold with an unbeaten streak for regular\nseason games.\n\nHowever, you are right that the playoff streak does carry over from\nlast year. And with 1 more win, I believe they tie an Edmonton record\n(but don\'t quote me on that one).\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! "It won\'t be easy, but it\n>Contact for the \'93-\'94 \'91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards.\n>Penn State Lady Lions \'92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are\n>rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"\n\n\n',
"From: domain@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (george.d.hodge)\nSubject: Dayton Hamfest\nSummary: Where and when is Dayton Hamfest\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 14\n\n\nSome weeks ago, someone posted an article telling when and where\na hamfest and computerfest was going to be help in Dayton, OH.\nUnfortunately, I lost the article and I was wondering if someone\ncould repost it.\n\nI believe it was being held the 23,24,and 25 of this month at\nthe Dayton convention center but I'm not sure.\n\nAny help and more details would be greatly appreciated.\n\n\t\tgeorge.d.hodge\n\t\tdomain@cbcat.att.com\n\n",
'From: kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Whoosh......\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu\n\nIn article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:\n>+\n>Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance\n>which expanded in vacuum. \n\nCalled "gas".\n\n>Once inflated the substance was no longer\n>needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse.\n>This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no \n>disastrous deflation.\n\nThe balloons were in sufficiently low orbit that they experienced\nsome air resistance. When they were finally punctured, this \npreasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain\na spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to\ncatastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards\nthat remained were easily visible for some time before\nreentry, though no longer useful as a passive transponder.\n\nThe billboard should pop like a dime store balloon.\n\n',
"From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)\nSubject: Re: Octopus in Detroit?\nReply-To: gak@wrs.com\nOrganization: Wind River Systems, Inc.\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: gakbox\n\nIt's in the FAQ.\n\nhave fun\ngak\n\n---\nRichard Stueven AHA# 22584 |----------| He has erected a multitude of new\nInternet: gak@wrs.com |----GO----| offices, and sent hither swarms\nATTMAIL: ...!attmail!gakhaus!gak |---SHARX--| of officers to harass our people,\nCow Palace: 107/H/3-4 |----------| and eat out their substance.\n",
'From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim)\nSubject: Terminal for sale\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 5\n\nI have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal\nwith 1200 external hyess modem\namber screens 101 keyboard,cable\nmake an offer\n0\n',
'From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)\nSubject: Re: Remember those names come election time.\nKeywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:\n> \n> BTW, with Bosnia\'s large Moslem population, why have nations like \n> Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money \n> or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered \n> to help out Bosnia? \n\nObviously, you really don\'t know.\n\nThey *have* spoken out (cf Sec\'y of State Christopher\'s recent trip to the ME),\nthey have provided millions in aid, and they have participated in the airlifts\nto Sarajevo. They *would* supply military aid, if the UN would lift the embargo \non arms sales. \n\n> The Turkish ambassador has ocassionally said\n> a thing or two, but that\'s all; I see no great enthusism from any \n> of those places to get *their* hands dirty. Why does the US always\n> get stuck with this stuff?\n>\n\nSee above. (Kuwait has directly participated in the airlift of food to\nSarajevo.)\n\n> Besides, there\'s no case that can be made for US military involvement\n> there that doesn\'t apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or\n> (it appears with the Khmer Rouge\'s new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites\n> don\'t count?\n\nHmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are\n"oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don\'t count.\n\n>\n>\n>---peter\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n',
'From: DJCOHEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Daniel Cohen)\nSubject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650\nNntp-Posting-Host: yalevm.ycc.yale.edu\nOrganization: Yale University\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>\nldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D\'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:\n \n>I\'ve noticed an interesting phenomenon on my Centris 650. If I unplug the\n>keyboard and mouse and plug them in again without turning the power off,\n>the mouse suddenly switches to about half its normal movement speed. I check\n>the "Mouse" control panel, and there\'s no change in its setting there--it\'s\n>still on full speed, the way I like it. Restarting the machine restores the\n>normal mouse speed.\n>\n>By the way, it happens with both the newer-style mouse that came with the\n>Centris, and the older-style mouse from my IIfx at work. Thus I don\'t think\n>it has anything to do with the resolution setting in the mouse--it\'s\n>definitely a quirk of the ADB interface (either hardware or software) in the\n>Centris itself.\n \nI have noticed this exact same phenomenon occurs with my LCIII. Perhaps it is\na quirk of the new machines?\n \n--Dan\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: request for information on "essential tremor" and Indrol?\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1q1tbnINNnfn@life.ai.mit.edu> sundar@ai.mit.edu writes:\n\nEssential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse\nwhen the patient tries to use the effected member. All limbs, vocal\ncords, and head can be involved. Inderal is a beta-blocker and\nis usually effective in diminishing the tremor. Alcohol and mysoline\nare also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler)\nSubject: Re: Christian Parenting\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 83\n\n\n Sorry for posting this, but my e-mail keeps bouncing. Maybe it will\nhelp others here, anyway, and therefore I pray others will read this. It is\nactually a response from my Aunt, who has 5 kids, since I have none yet.\n\n>Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into\n>young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of\n>children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating\n>information on discipline within the Christian home.\n>\n>Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me\n>your response to the following questionaire. All responses\n>will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare\n>stats.\n I\'m posting this for a good Christian relative who does not have e-mail\naccess. Since this aunt and uncle have 5 kids I felt they would be more\nrelevant than I, who have none (yet).\n\n>1. Ages & sexes of children\n 13-year-old (13YO) twins, 10YO boy, 6.5YO boy, 2YO girl\n\n>2. Do you spank your kids?\n I don\'t call it spanking, but they do, so yes, very rarely.\n\n>3. If so how often?\n I don\'t call it spanking because it\'s more of a reaction to something\nvery dangerous, such as trying to stick their finger in a fan or running\ninto the road. Maybe 3-4 times for each except for the 2YO girl, who has\nnot been spanked yet.\n They call it that because it *does* hurt their feelings, and of course\nI give all the hugs and stuff to ensure they know they\'re still loved.\n\n>4. Do you use an implement to spank with?\n No, that would be too painful. If it\'s too traumatic they never recall\nwhy they were punished. Besides, it must be immediate, and taking the time\nto go get a toolmeans you\'re not doing it right away, and that lessens the\nimpact. It\'s very emotional for a child as it is - which is evidenced by the\nfact that a little slap on the rear - which hurts for perhaps 5 seconds -\nis called a spanking.\n>\n>5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use?\n Lots of logical consequences - for instance, when 4YO Matthew dared\na good friend to jump out of his treehouse or he would push him out, I made\nsure they didn\'t play together for 5 days so he\'d know that would make him\nlose friends very quickly. He\'s never done anything like that since.\n We also use time-out in their rooms - I use a timer so they don\'t keep\narguing with me over leaving, since it\'s hard to argue with a macine.\nI will go to the closed door and tell them timeout won\'t be over until they\ncalm down if they\'re too tantrumy. I use the top of the stairs when they\'re\nreally young.\n\n>6. Your age?\n 40\n\n>7. Your location\n Bath, Ohio. It\'s right outside of Akron, in the northeast part of Ohio.\n\n>8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal\n>offence?\n No, and none of my kids would dream of it. I hope you can use this to\nteach all parents that physical punishment isn\'t always required - parents use\nthat as an excuse to hit too hard.\n\n>9. How ere you disciplined as a kid\n Lots of timeouts, same as I use. Our family and my husband\'s have never\nused spankings. In fact, my grandmother in law was one of 11 kids, and they\nwere almost never spanked. This was around the turn of the century. And,\nnone of us has ever been afoul of the law - man-made or God\'s law.\n Jesus says, referring to a small child whom he is holding, that "what\nye do to the least of these, ye do also to me." The Bible also says in all\nthings to be kind, and merciful, and especially loving. (Colossians 3:12-15.)\nThere is no room for selfish anger, which I\'ll admit I\'ve been tempted with\nat times. When I\'ve felt like spanking hard in anger, maybe the kid deserved\na little slap on the rear, but what I would have given would have been the\ndevil\'s work. I could feel the temptation, and just angrily ordered the kid\nto his/her room and went to my room myself. After praying and asking God\'s\nforgiveness, I was much calmer, and did not feel like spanking, but felt that\nwhat I had done was enough punishment.\n-- \nDoug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other\n Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love\nmissed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, \'cause Heaven is just a great\nhe ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"\n',
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'DESCR': '.. _20newsgroups_dataset:\n\nThe 20 newsgroups text dataset\n------------------------------\n\nThe 20 newsgroups dataset comprises around 18000 newsgroups posts on\n20 topics split in two subsets: one for training (or development)\nand the other one for testing (or for performance evaluation). The split\nbetween the train and test set is based upon a messages posted before\nand after a specific date.\n\nThis module contains two loaders. The first one,\n:func:`sklearn.datasets.fetch_20newsgroups`,\nreturns a list of the raw texts that can be fed to text feature\nextractors such as :class:`~sklearn.feature_extraction.text.CountVectorizer`\nwith custom parameters so as to extract feature vectors.\nThe second one, :func:`sklearn.datasets.fetch_20newsgroups_vectorized`,\nreturns ready-to-use features, i.e., it is not necessary to use a feature\nextractor.\n\n**Data Set Characteristics:**\n\n ================= ==========\n Classes 20\n Samples total 18846\n Dimensionality 1\n Features text\n ================= ==========\n\nUsage\n~~~~~\n\nThe :func:`sklearn.datasets.fetch_20newsgroups` function is a data\nfetching / caching functions that downloads the data archive from\nthe original `20 newsgroups website`_, extracts the archive contents\nin the ``~/scikit_learn_data/20news_home`` folder and calls the\n:func:`sklearn.datasets.load_files` on either the training or\ntesting set folder, or both of them::\n\n >>> from sklearn.datasets import fetch_20newsgroups\n >>> newsgroups_train = fetch_20newsgroups(subset=\'train\')\n\n >>> from pprint import pprint\n >>> pprint(list(newsgroups_train.target_names))\n [\'alt.atheism\',\n \'comp.graphics\',\n \'comp.os.ms-windows.misc\',\n \'comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware\',\n \'comp.sys.mac.hardware\',\n \'comp.windows.x\',\n \'misc.forsale\',\n \'rec.autos\',\n \'rec.motorcycles\',\n \'rec.sport.baseball\',\n \'rec.sport.hockey\',\n \'sci.crypt\',\n \'sci.electronics\',\n \'sci.med\',\n \'sci.space\',\n \'soc.religion.christian\',\n \'talk.politics.guns\',\n \'talk.politics.mideast\',\n \'talk.politics.misc\',\n \'talk.religion.misc\']\n\nThe real data lies in the ``filenames`` and ``target`` attributes. The target\nattribute is the integer index of the category::\n\n >>> newsgroups_train.filenames.shape\n (11314,)\n >>> newsgroups_train.target.shape\n (11314,)\n >>> newsgroups_train.target[:10]\n array([ 7, 4, 4, 1, 14, 16, 13, 3, 2, 4])\n\nIt is possible to load only a sub-selection of the categories by passing the\nlist of the categories to load to the\n:func:`sklearn.datasets.fetch_20newsgroups` function::\n\n >>> cats = [\'alt.atheism\', \'sci.space\']\n >>> newsgroups_train = fetch_20newsgroups(subset=\'train\', categories=cats)\n\n >>> list(newsgroups_train.target_names)\n [\'alt.atheism\', \'sci.space\']\n >>> newsgroups_train.filenames.shape\n (1073,)\n >>> newsgroups_train.target.shape\n (1073,)\n >>> newsgroups_train.target[:10]\n array([0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0])\n\nConverting text to vectors\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\nIn order to feed predictive or clustering models with the text data,\none first need to turn the text into vectors of numerical values suitable\nfor statistical analysis. This can be achieved with the utilities of the\n``sklearn.feature_extraction.text`` as demonstrated in the following\nexample that extract `TF-IDF`_ vectors of unigram tokens\nfrom a subset of 20news::\n\n >>> from sklearn.feature_extraction.text import TfidfVectorizer\n >>> categories = [\'alt.atheism\', \'talk.religion.misc\',\n ... \'comp.graphics\', \'sci.space\']\n >>> newsgroups_train = fetch_20newsgroups(subset=\'train\',\n ... categories=categories)\n >>> vectorizer = TfidfVectorizer()\n >>> vectors = vectorizer.fit_transform(newsgroups_train.data)\n >>> vectors.shape\n (2034, 34118)\n\nThe extracted TF-IDF vectors are very sparse, with an average of 159 non-zero\ncomponents by sample in a more than 30000-dimensional space\n(less than .5% non-zero features)::\n\n >>> vectors.nnz / float(vectors.shape[0])\n 159.01327...\n\n:func:`sklearn.datasets.fetch_20newsgroups_vectorized` is a function which\nreturns ready-to-use token counts features instead of file names.\n\n.. _`20 newsgroups website`: http://people.csail.mit.edu/jrennie/20Newsgroups/\n.. _`TF-IDF`: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tf-idf\n\n\nFiltering text for more realistic training\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\nIt is easy for a classifier to overfit on particular things that appear in the\n20 Newsgroups data, such as newsgroup headers. Many classifiers achieve very\nhigh F-scores, but their results would not generalize to other documents that\naren\'t from this window of time.\n\nFor example, let\'s look at the results of a multinomial Naive Bayes classifier,\nwhich is fast to train and achieves a decent F-score::\n\n >>> from sklearn.naive_bayes import MultinomialNB\n >>> from sklearn import metrics\n >>> newsgroups_test = fetch_20newsgroups(subset=\'test\',\n ... categories=categories)\n >>> vectors_test = vectorizer.transform(newsgroups_test.data)\n >>> clf = MultinomialNB(alpha=.01)\n >>> clf.fit(vectors, newsgroups_train.target)\n MultinomialNB(alpha=0.01, class_prior=None, fit_prior=True)\n\n >>> pred = clf.predict(vectors_test)\n >>> metrics.f1_score(newsgroups_test.target, pred, average=\'macro\')\n 0.88213...\n\n(The example :ref:`sphx_glr_auto_examples_text_plot_document_classification_20newsgroups.py` shuffles\nthe training and test data, instead of segmenting by time, and in that case\nmultinomial Naive Bayes gets a much higher F-score of 0.88. Are you suspicious\nyet of what\'s going on inside this classifier?)\n\nLet\'s take a look at what the most informative features are:\n\n >>> import numpy as np\n >>> def show_top10(classifier, vectorizer, categories):\n ... feature_names = vectorizer.get_feature_names_out()\n ... for i, category in enumerate(categories):\n ... top10 = np.argsort(classifier.coef_[i])[-10:]\n ... print("%s: %s" % (category, " ".join(feature_names[top10])))\n ...\n >>> show_top10(clf, vectorizer, newsgroups_train.target_names)\n alt.atheism: edu it and in you that is of to the\n comp.graphics: edu in graphics it is for and of to the\n sci.space: edu it that is in and space to of the\n talk.religion.misc: not it you in is that and to of the\n\n\nYou can now see many things that these features have overfit to:\n\n- Almost every group is distinguished by whether headers such as\n ``NNTP-Posting-Host:`` and ``Distribution:`` appear more or less often.\n- Another significant feature involves whether the sender is affiliated with\n a university, as indicated either by their headers or their signature.\n- The word "article" is a significant feature, based on how often people quote\n previous posts like this: "In article [article ID], [name] <[e-mail address]>\n wrote:"\n- Other features match the names and e-mail addresses of particular people who\n were posting at the time.\n\nWith such an abundance of clues that distinguish newsgroups, the classifiers\nbarely have to identify topics from text at all, and they all perform at the\nsame high level.\n\nFor this reason, the functions that load 20 Newsgroups data provide a\nparameter called **remove**, telling it what kinds of information to strip out\nof each file. **remove** should be a tuple containing any subset of\n``(\'headers\', \'footers\', \'quotes\')``, telling it to remove headers, signature\nblocks, and quotation blocks respectively.\n\n >>> newsgroups_test = fetch_20newsgroups(subset=\'test\',\n ... remove=(\'headers\', \'footers\', \'quotes\'),\n ... categories=categories)\n >>> vectors_test = vectorizer.transform(newsgroups_test.data)\n >>> pred = clf.predict(vectors_test)\n >>> metrics.f1_score(pred, newsgroups_test.target, average=\'macro\')\n 0.77310...\n\nThis classifier lost over a lot of its F-score, just because we removed\nmetadata that has little to do with topic classification.\nIt loses even more if we also strip this metadata from the training data:\n\n >>> newsgroups_train = fetch_20newsgroups(subset=\'train\',\n ... remove=(\'headers\', \'footers\', \'quotes\'),\n ... categories=categories)\n >>> vectors = vectorizer.fit_transform(newsgroups_train.data)\n >>> clf = MultinomialNB(alpha=.01)\n >>> clf.fit(vectors, newsgroups_train.target)\n MultinomialNB(alpha=0.01, class_prior=None, fit_prior=True)\n\n >>> vectors_test = vectorizer.transform(newsgroups_test.data)\n >>> pred = clf.predict(vectors_test)\n >>> metrics.f1_score(newsgroups_test.target, pred, average=\'macro\')\n 0.76995...\n\nSome other classifiers cope better with this harder version of the task. Try\nrunning :ref:`sphx_glr_auto_examples_model_selection_grid_search_text_feature_extraction.py` with and without\nthe ``--filter`` option to compare the results.\n\n.. topic:: Data Considerations\n\n The Cleveland Indians is a major league baseball team based in Cleveland,\n Ohio, USA. In December 2020, it was reported that "After several months of\n discussion sparked by the death of George Floyd and a national reckoning over\n race and colonialism, the Cleveland Indians have decided to change their\n name." Team owner Paul Dolan "did make it clear that the team will not make\n its informal nickname -- the Tribe -- its new team name." "It’s not going to\n be a half-step away from the Indians," Dolan said."We will not have a Native\n American-themed name."\n\n https://www.mlb.com/news/cleveland-indians-team-name-change\n\n.. topic:: Recommendation\n\n - When evaluating text classifiers on the 20 Newsgroups data, you\n should strip newsgroup-related metadata. In scikit-learn, you can do this\n by setting ``remove=(\'headers\', \'footers\', \'quotes\')``. The F-score will be\n lower because it is more realistic.\n - This text dataset contains data which may be inappropriate for certain NLP\n applications. An example is listed in the "Data Considerations" section\n above. The challenge with using current text datasets in NLP for tasks such\n as sentence completion, clustering, and other applications is that text\n that is culturally biased and inflammatory will propagate biases. This\n should be taken into consideration when using the dataset, reviewing the\n output, and the bias should be documented.\n\n.. topic:: Examples\n\n * :ref:`sphx_glr_auto_examples_model_selection_grid_search_text_feature_extraction.py`\n\n * :ref:`sphx_glr_auto_examples_text_plot_document_classification_20newsgroups.py`\n'}
type(newsgroups)
# The sklearn.utils.Bunch is a simple container object in scikit-learn (sklearn) that is commonly used to store datasets or other collections of data. It is a dictionary-like object with attributes that can be accessed using dot notation.
# The Bunch class is designed to be lightweight and straightforward, providing a convenient way to store and pass around data within the scikit-learn ecosystem. It is often used to hold the features (data) and target (labels) of a dataset, but it can also be used to store other related information, such as metadata or additional attributes.
sklearn.utils.Bunch
categories = newsgroups.target_names
categories
# the names or the labels associeted with the target variable in the dataset. common in supervised learning where you have a set of inputs features (data) corresponding target label. you can find it in text editor
# provides a way to associated human readable names or label with the numeric or categorical values of the target variable
['alt.atheism', 'comp.graphics', 'comp.os.ms-windows.misc', 'comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware', 'comp.sys.mac.hardware', 'comp.windows.x', 'misc.forsale', 'rec.autos', 'rec.motorcycles', 'rec.sport.baseball', 'rec.sport.hockey', 'sci.crypt', 'sci.electronics', 'sci.med', 'sci.space', 'soc.religion.christian', 'talk.politics.guns', 'talk.politics.mideast', 'talk.politics.misc', 'talk.religion.misc']
# .data return the data only not subject and any other hash
# [0] return the first tweet
newsgroups.data[0]
"From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing)\nSubject: WHAT car is this!?\nNntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 15\n\n I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw\nthe other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/\nearly 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition,\nthe front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is \nall I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years\nof production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you\nhave on this funky looking car, please e-mail.\n\nThanks,\n- IL\n ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----\n\n\n\n\n"
newsgroups.target
# ther's contain of 20 number (0 - 19) each number represent the category of the news
array([7, 4, 4, ..., 3, 1, 8])
Counter(newsgroups.target)
# count the occurenes of the element in a collection
Counter({7: 594,
4: 578,
1: 584,
14: 593,
16: 546,
13: 594,
3: 590,
2: 591,
8: 598,
19: 377,
6: 585,
0: 480,
12: 591,
5: 593,
10: 600,
9: 597,
15: 599,
17: 564,
18: 465,
11: 595})
newsgroups.target
array([7, 4, 4, ..., 3, 1, 8])
inputs = newsgroups.data
target = newsgroups.target
# the number of a news sample
len(target)
11314
x_train, x_test, y_train, y_test = train_test_split(
inputs, target,
test_size=.2,
random_state=44,
stratify= target
)
x_train, x_test, y_train, y_test
(['From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)\nSubject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...\nNntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7\nReply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com\nOrganization: SPS\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.234508.20032@slcs.slb.com> \ndcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:\n> ...(relates an experience similar to mine) ...\n> Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped. As we go out\n> the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom,\n> customers and all, "Go ahead! You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"\n> So my friend bought a Sentra.\n> ...\n\nThis kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my \'experience\'. For \ncrying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers \nthis way and still stay in business? Again, I don\'t expect sales people to \nbow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don\'t expect to be \nabused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to \nme and in other \'negotiating\' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales \ncubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue \nto do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are \neasy to intimidate.\n\nOn the other hand, I\'m not sure about the \'one price, no haggling\' \napproach that Saturn and other are starting to use. I guess if their fixed \nprice is fair it\'s OK. Maybe the best approach is to do your homework \nbefore you go in. Find out the invoice prices of the car, add a reasonable \nprofit for the dealer ($200-$300??), offer them that price and stick to \nit. If they get abusive, just leave. Then, don\'t let them try to screw you \nafter the deal is agreed on.\n\nMark\n',
'From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Gospel Dating\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 93\n\nIn article <65974@mimsy.umd.edu>\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n \n>>Well, John has a quite different, not necessarily more elaborated theology.\n>>There is some evidence that he must have known Luke, and that the content\n>>of Q was known to him, but not in a \'canonized\' form.\n>\n>This is a new argument to me. Could you elaborate a little?\n>\n \nThe argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in\nthe almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are\nconsidered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and\nnot an entirely different source.\n \n \n>>Assuming that he knew Luke would obviously put him after Luke, and would\n>>give evidence for the latter assumption.\n>\n>I don\'t think this follows. If you take the most traditional attributions,\n>then Luke might have known John, but John is an elder figure in either case.\n>We\'re talking spans of time here which are well within the range of\n>lifetimes.\n \nWe are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual\nexplanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider\ntheir respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke\nthat of Matthew (and probably that of Mark).\n \nAs it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke\'s text. The evidence\nfor that is not overwhelming, admittedly.\n \n \n>>>(1) Earlier manuscripts of John have been discovered.\n>\n>>Interesting, where and which? How are they dated? How old are they?\n>\n>Unfortunately, I haven\'t got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late\n>\'70s or early \'80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200.\n>\n \nWhen they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on\nputting John after the rest of the three?\n \n \n>>I don\'t see your point, it is exactly what James Felder said. They had no\n>>first hand knowledge of the events, and it obvious that at least two of them\n>>used older texts as the base of their account. And even the association of\n>>Luke to Paul or Mark to Peter are not generally accepted.\n>\n>Well, a genuine letter of Peter would be close enough, wouldn\'t it?\n>\n \nSure, an original together with Id card of sender and receiver would be\nfine. So what\'s that supposed to say? Am I missing something?\n \n \n>And I don\'t think a "one step removed" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark\n>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really\n>cannot believe in the sort of "big transformation from Jesus to gospel" that\n>some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better\n>information than this.\n>\n>And if John IS a diciple, then there\'s nothing more to be said.\n>\n \nThat John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language\ntogether with the theology are usually used as counterargument.\n \nThe argument that John was a disciple relies on the claim in the gospel\nof John itself. Is there any other evidence for it?\n \nOne step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that\nto reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies.\nNot even to speak off that believers are not necessarily the best sources.\n \n \n>>It is also obvious that Mark has been edited. How old are the oldest\n>>manuscripts? To my knowledge (which can be antiquated) the oldest is\n>>quite after any of these estimates, and it is not even complete.\n>\n>The only clear "editing" is problem of the ending, and it\'s basically a\n>hopeless mess. The oldest versions give a strong sense of incompleteness,\n>to the point where the shortest versions seem to break off in midsentence.\n>The most obvious solution is that at some point part of the text was lost.\n>The material from verse 9 on is pretty clearly later and seems to represent\n>a synopsys of the end of Luke.\n>\nIn other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like\nand arguments based on Mark are pretty weak.\n \nBut how is that connected to a redating of John?\n Benedikt\n',
"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: Re: Shipping costs\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 71\n\nIn article <1pd24e$745@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes:\n|> \n|> In a previous article, tomc@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Tom Carlino) says:\n|> \n|> >Recently I bought a musical instrument through the internet and had\n|> >it shipped to me via UPS ground. The shipping was done through a\n|> >mail box service, Mailboxes, Etc. Being somewhat surprised at the\n|> >price, I compared prices of shipping this way to shipping directly\n|> >through UPS and this is a summary. I am not making any endorsements\n|> >or condemnations but merely presenting the facts from which you may\n|> >draw your own conclusions.\n|> >\n|> \n|> I've encountered the same thing with Mailboxes, Etc. and I suggest\n|> anyone to use the original UPS service if at all possible. Shipping\n|> to Virginia from Cleveland was around $20 for 12 pounds, and C.O.D.\n|> was $8.00, as opposed to $4.50 for UPS.\n\nI'll third the opinion about this outfit/franchise. Now, when I\nbuy over the net and pick up the shipping costs, I'll specify that I\nonly pick up the normal UPS charges (as if delivered directly to\nUPS), as I've been burned by $10 shipping charges for a $2.49 pkg.\nI will never use a mailing service unless I don't have the\nright box and the buyer needs whatever IMMEDIATELY. I'll also\ntell the person, if they agreed to pick up shipping, what is going on.\n\nOther things to watch out for/consider:\n\n\tThe rates are $5 to $30 higher than UPS direct.\n\n\tFor a non-UPS (truck) package, they quoted a rate\n\tof $85. Fed Ex economy air was only $85 for the\n\tsame weight! RPS (a trucking package company, in many\n\tcities) only wanted $18. Guess who got it. The Mailbox\n\toperator told me I was not telling the truth about\n\tcompetitors' rates, said RPS was unreliable (I've used them\n\tbefore with NO problems), etc. Right.\n\n\tA COD check goes to the mailing service. Our local\n\tMailbox then takes its sweet time mailing me the\n\tremade check. All this for an additional $3.00 over the\n\tUPS COD charge. What a deal.... :-)\n\n\tFor packages over $100, they charge you about double over\n\twhat UPS charges them for insurance. I've never had\n\ta claim, but other netters (is Ralph Seguin out there?)\n\thave told horror stories about them...\n\n\tAll package traces have to be done through Mailbox by\n\tMailbox.\n\n\tOur local Mailbox operator told me I was lying when I\n\tasked him why their rates were stratospheric compared\n\tto direct UPS. Does he ever check? Probably not...\n\n\tTheir UPS ground rates come close to Fed Ex's economy\n\tair rate, and Fed Ex will pick up!\n\n\tUPS will pick up for a $5 charge in most areas!\n\t\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n Intergraph Corp.\n M/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n",
"From: ianhogg@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ian J. Hogg)\nSubject: Re: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment?\nNntp-Posting-Host: milli.cs.umn.edu\nOrganization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.200740.17615@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan) writes:\n>\n>has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there\n>is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes\n>when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in\n>HP X/motif that perform the same function.\n>\n\nI've been using the xrpc package for about a year now. I believe I got it from\nexport. \n\n--\n===============================================================================\nIan Hogg\t\t\t\t\t\tianhogg@cs.umn.edu\n (612) 424-6332\n",
'From: gnohmon@ssiny.UUCP (Ralph Betza)\nSubject: dynamic SqueezeTitle configuration in *twm\nKeywords: TWM, twm, vtwm, tvtwm, ctwm\nOrganization: Systems Strategies, Inc., NY, NY\nLines: 123\n\nI consider TWM-style Squeezed Titles indispensable in a window\nmanager. I like to have two tall xterm windows visible at the same\ntime, with no overlap; and since two windows aren\'t enough, I have\nother xterm windows underneath them, with exactly the same positioning.\n\nIn case you\'re not familiar with Squeezed Titles, here\'s a crude\npicture:\n\n ====================== Figure 1 ====================================\n |\n | +---------+ +---------+ +=========+\n | + title A + + title B + + title C +\n | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+\n | + this is the + + window B hides window C, but +\n | + body of the + + you can still see C\'s title +\n | + window, window A + + which is squeezed right. +\n | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+\n |\n ====================== Figure 1 ====================================\n\nSqueezed titles allow me to have about 5 such windows in each stack,\nwith easy access; and 3 per stack is usually more than I really\nneed, since I also insist on having a virtual WM.\n\nThe only problem is that the title location is static, that is, it\nis configured in .twmrc, and in order to change it you have to edit\nthat file and restart the window manager. Doing so is cumbersome and\ntime-consuming.\n\nTherefore, I have implemented f.squeeze{ left, center, right }\nfunctions in my own copy of vtwm; the idea being that with one click\nof a button, you can change this:\n\n +---------+\n + title A +\n +------------------------+\n + this is the +\n + body of the +\n + window, window A +\n +------------------------+\n\nto this:\n\n +---------+\n + title A +\n +------------------------+\n + this is the +\n + body of the +\n + window, window A +\n +------------------------+\n\n ===============\n\nOkay. So far, so good. Now, how the heck do I get them to put this\ninto the next "official" twm, and the next tvtwm, and the next vtwm,\nand the next ctwm? And the next xyztwm that I never heard of?\n\nOne way would be to post, in comp.windows.x, a description of this\nenhancement, together with an explanation of why I think it is a\nVery Good Thing, and hope that someone reads it. :-)\n\nIn case it isn\'t already clear why I think it\'s a Very Good Thing,\nlook back up at Figure 1, and picture window A moved over on top of\nwindows B and C; now window A\'s title hides Window B\'s title;\nbut when you hit f.squeezecenter, the result is:\n\n +=========+ +---------+ +=========+\n + title B + + title A + + title C +\n +-------------------------------------+\n + this is the body of the window, +\n + window A, which is on top. +\n +-------------------------------------+\n\n ===================\n\nThe rest of this posting explains how to implement it, based on my\nX11R4 copy of vtvwm.shar; it\'s just a sketch because posting the\nfull diffs would be too long.\n\nThe key to this enhancement is to add the following lines in the\nExecuteFunction() routine in menus.c:\n\n#ifdef SHAPE\n\tcase F_SQUEEZELEFT:\n\t{\tstatic SqueezeInfo left_squeeze = { J_LEFT, 0, 0 };\n\t\tif (DeferExecution (context, func, Scr->SelectCursor))\n\t\t return TRUE;\n\n\t\ttmp_win->squeeze_info = &left_squeeze;\n\t\tSetFrameShape( tmp_win );\n\t\tbreak;\n\t}\n\t.... and similarly for squeezeright ( J_RIGHT ) and\n\tsqueezecenter ( J_CENTER ) ...\n#endif\n\n( Of course, you also have to define F_SQUEEZELEFT in parse.h\n and add\n { "f.squeezeleft", FKEYWORD, F_SQUEEZELEFT },\n ... and so forth ...\nto parse.c\n\nIn order to use these functions, add something like the\nfollowing to your .twmrc file:\n\nButton2 = m | s : w|v|d|r|i|t|door : f.squeezecenter\n\n =================\n\nAbout a year ago, I posted this, but our news was broken and I\n*think* it didn\'t get out.\n\nSince then, "blast" has appeared in comp.sources.x, Volume 19,\nIssue 41; you could use blast to achieve a similar effect, by\nchiseling away at an mwm-style wide title. Better to have a\ntwm-style window manager, I think.\n\n--\nRalph Betza (FM),\nuunet!ssiny!gnohmon gnohmon@ssiny.com\n\n"The question of whether a computer can swim is more interesting\n than the question of whether a submarine can think" - Lenny Dykstra\n',
"From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch)\nSubject: Food Dehydrators\nNntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com\nOrganization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 9\n\n Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing\nall over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat,\nor both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at?\nMy wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan\nand a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together\nfor just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old?\n\nJohn\n\n",
'From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)\nSubject: Various COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO items wanted as of 4/16\nLines: 63\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 63\n\nUnless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.\nIf you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:\n EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu\n Phone (703)552-4381\n USMail Michael Beck\n 1200 Progress Street #5500E\n Blacksburg, Virginia 24060\n \nPlease give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)\n~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~\n \nCOMPUTER EQUIP:\n \n1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used)\n \n1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)\n \n1 Macintosh computer\n \n1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used)\n \n1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used)\n \n1 101 key-AT keyboard\n \n1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive\n \n1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series\n \n1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET\n \n1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL\n \n1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used)\n \n1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386 \n \n1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive\n \n2 17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital\n \nmult. XT\'s, AT\'s and laptop systems to go to Russia\n \n \n \nNON-COMPUTER EQUIP:\n \n1 drum set \n \nmult. amps for a band\n \n1 TV - 27" or bigger, stereo\n \n1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo\n \n1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound\n capability\n \n1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please\n \n1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints\n \n\n',
'From: Amruth Laxman <al26+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Surviving Large Accelerations?\nOrganization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nHi,\n I was reading through "The Spaceflight Handbook" and somewhere in\nthere the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them\nwhen and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to\nthe sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he\nestimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not\nbe a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published\nin 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very\nlong-winded but here\'s my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in\nfact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of\ncourse. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration?\nCan this be extended to larger accelerations?\n\nThanks is advance...\n-Amruth Laxman\n\n',
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5I7J7.F7A@eis.calstate.edu> mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:\n\n>resistance fighters. Don\'t forget that it was the French Resistance to the\n>Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the\n>hostile occupiers in WWII.\n\n\tAnd all this time I thought it was the US & Britian invading\nNormandy, the constant, round the clock bombing, and the fact that the\nGermans were fighting on two fronts. How silly of me. :)\n\n\tThis is not to devalue the actions of the resistance\nmovements, but resistance movements did not defeat the Nazis.\n\n>Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the\n>Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the\n>only option they see as viable. (Don\'t forget that it worked in driving\n>out the US)\n\n\tIsrael has repeatedly stated that it will leave when the\nLebanese government shows that it can prevent attacks on Israel, and\nwhen the Syrians agree to leave.\n\n\tThe Lebanese have not tried diplomacy for very long, or maybe\nthey\'re not capable of getting rid of the Syrians and Iranians who\noccupy their land. If they closed down the Hezbolah, and negotiated a\nwithdrawl of Syrian forces, Israel would be happy to leave.\n\nAdam\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: thoughts on christians\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 17\n\nEd McCreary (edm@twisto.compaq.com) wrote:\n: >>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said:\n\n: RB> In article <ofnWyG600WB699voA=@andrew.cmu.edu> pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes:\n: >EVER HEAR OF\n: >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what\n: >is...\n: >\n: RB> \n: RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes\n: RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the\n: RB> priest really wears under that chasible.\n\nDoes this statement further the atheist cause in some way, surely it's\nnot intended as wit ...\n\nBill\n",
'From: pamuelle@ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )\nSubject: Re: Used BMW Question ..... ???\nOrganization: Intergraph\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.230031.160616@ua1ix.ua.edu> rpaturi@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Ravi) writes:\n>\n>Hi,\t\n>I am dying to get the answer for the pricing polocy of a dealer\n>here in San Jose, California (I moved to caal from AL)\n\nYou moved from Alabama to California? My sympathies.\n\n>Year\tModel\tDescription\t\tMilage\tPrice\n>1991\t318\tBlack, "Looks" good 46K\t10.6K\n>\t\t5sp manual, AC, \n>\t\tCassette, Sun roof \n>\n>1989\t318\tWhite same as aboove 50K\t 9.6K\n>\n\nMake sure that they have all maintenance records. Oil should be changed\nevery 3 months. The mileage on the cars is fine.\n\nBe sure that these have the 16 valve engine. The 8 valve 318 is a \nBMW in name only. \n\nDidn\'t you have a line on a \'89 325i for 12K? Jump on it.\n\n\n-- \nPhil Mueller pamuelle@ingr.com -OR- pamuelle@nc2145.b30.ingr.com\nAMA: 686532 DOD: 132569 1991 Suzuki Bandit 1977 BMW R100/7\n\n',
'From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle)\nSubject: Re: PEM and MIME\nOrganization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA\nLines: 54\nDistribution: world\n\nIn article <1qg8m2$2e5@nigel.msen.com> emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:\n>W C Newell Jr (wcn@u.washington.edu) wrote:\n>\n>>Before we can have a global multimedia e-mail solution, there must be some\n>>definition of a minimum service level, and MIME does not provide for this\n>>(yet). \n>\n>Before the Internet will invest in software, people need to see content. \n>I would suggest that 50 attractive MIME formatted news messages a day would be\n>sufficient to get a few people thinking about adding MIME support to news\n>readers, esp if the content is really worth it.\n>\n>>IMHO, we have a long way to go before the Unix-specific MUAs, newsreaders, etc\n>>reach the service levels of the other commercial platforms. There ought to be\n>>such a definition, consisting of known object data types and rules for their\n>>handling, included in the transport specification document.\n>\n>Yes. But there is also a long way to go before most Mac, PC, and Windows\n>MUAs and newsreaders are ready to handle the sheer volume of news and mail\n>that many Unix specific tools are able to cope with. When the choice is\n>"more feechurs" or "make the damn thing fast enough to keep up with the\n>flood", you have to bet that "fast enough" wins.\n\nEd, as usual, makes a very good point.\n\nOne time a friend of mine at Sun sent me an e-mail. He composed it using the\nSun OpenWindows 3 "mailtool" which handles (non-MIME) "attachments" and the\nlike.\n\nSince I don\'t use "mailtool", I had to manually save it, cut & paste, and\nthen "uudecode" the actual attachment. What I got - after a not-inconsiderable\namount of time spent doing this - was an audio file. The original message\nwas over 32Kb of mail headers and uuencoded data; the resulting audio message\nwas a single sentence that I transcribed as a 135 character message.\n\nIf he had sent me the sentence in plain text, the e-mail would have been\naround 250 bytes, and it would have taken me about 3 seconds to process it at\nmost. Instead, it was 32k and it took at least a minute. A complete waste of\n(my) time and bandwidth, as far as I\'m concerned. Sending plain text is still\nthe most efficient method of transmission, given the same transport mechanism.\nI shudder to think what would happen if everyone started posting their Usenet\narticles as audio files instead of plain text! Meltdown of the Net predicted!\nFilm at Eleven!\n\nBack to Mono!\t(-:\n\n[This sub-thread no longer has anything to do with PEM or administrative]\n[policy, so I\'ve redirected followups back to comp.mail.mime ... - Greg ]\n\n-- \n\t- Greg Earle\n\t Phone: (818) 353-8695\t\tFAX: (818) 353-1877\n\t Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US\n\t UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle\n',
'From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nDistribution: na\nLines: 10\n\n\n>security of the key-escrow system. In making this decision, I do\n>not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the\n>government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that\n>are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key-\n>escrow system.\n\nYeah, but does he intend to prevent the private sector from\ndeveloping other applications that are equally effective in \nassuring privacy, but do not have a key escrow system?\n',
"From: neil@stone.oz.au (Neil Watkinson)\nSubject: COM3 COM4 is there a hardware standard ?\nOrganization: Stone Microsystems, NSW, Australia\nKeywords: COM3 COM4\nLines: 19\n\nHelp....\n\nI need to implement COM3 and COM4 on a board that I'm designing and I'm\nfinding it dificult to track down a definition (hardware that is) of COM3\nand COM4.\n\nI have the IO adresses and the fact that COM3 shares IRQ4 with COM1 and COM4\nshares IRQ3 with COM2, except exactly how this IRQ sharing is done is not\nclear especially if the existing COM1/2 does not allow IRQ sharing. Does the\nstandard??? allow for a different IRQ to be used and if so how.\n\nPlease answer by email to :-\n\n neil@stone.oz.au\n\nthanks in advance\n\nNeil Watkinson.\n\n",
'From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nOrganization: Dundee Institute of Technology\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu>, betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:\n> In article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their \n>>hands up while national tv cameras watch.\n>>\n> Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever\n> really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of\n> a humiliated agency that said (quote!) "Enough is enough."\n\nAs I understand it was considered unsafe for the tv networks to get\nany closer. Surely the networks can judge the risks of reporting\nfor themselves. I haven\'t noticed CNN being banned from Baghdad\nhotels yet despite the (all too real) risk of having a cruise\nmissile land in the lobby. Incidentally has that ever been explained\nor are we to assume that out of the whole of the city an off-course\nmissile just happened to hit that hotel at a probability of about\n1 in some very large number?\n\nUnsafe for who I wonder?\n-- \nAlan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct\nDundee Institute of Technology\t Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk\nTel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810)\n ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity **\n',
"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Whoosh......\nOrganization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1r6mcgINNe87@gap.caltech.edu+ kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes:\n+In article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM+ wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:\n+++\n++Once inflated the substance was no longer\n++needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse.\n++This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no \n++disastrous deflation.\n+\n+preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain\n+a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to\n+catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards\n+\n+The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon.\n\nNo, you're wrong about this. Give me some time to get my references.\n\n\n-- \nBruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) \n",
'From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)\nSubject: Plus minus stat\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca\nLines: 144\n\n>Post: 51213 of 51227\n>Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey\n>From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\n>Subject: Re: Plus minus stat...\n>Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University,\n>Sudbury, ON Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:41:29 GMT\n \n>In <4LD32B2w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca>\n>j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes:\n \n>>It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious\n>>\'boarding\' from behind...Trottier was given a major.\n \n>Perhaps it was Trottier. It happened behind the Habs goal if\n>I recall. Gainey simply didn\'t have his head up as he was\n>picking up the puck.\n \n>But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey\'s\n>skill as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour\'s head\n>into the boards next week, will that diminish your assessment\n>of Gilmour\'s skills?\n \n>If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then\n>yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn\'t playing\n>"technically" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did,\n>that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely\n>ludicrous.\n \nLater on, in your posting, you make reference to "putting words\ninto other people\'s mouths"...I would suggest that your last\nparagraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I,\nalong with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical\nmistake. If you actually read what I\'ve written, you will find\nthat I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well,\nyou\'re contradicting yourself.\n \n>>>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things\n>>>to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the\n>>>pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob\n>>>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne\n>>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri\n>>>Richard, Dick Duff...and so on...\n \n>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter.\n \n>Good for you. You\'d only be displaying your ignorance of\n>course, but to each his own...\n \nRoger, I\'m not sure here, but I think "ignorance" is really a\nfunction of "a lack of knowledge" and not "formulating an\nopinion"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all\nmeans go ahead...that\'s if it makes you feel better.\n \n>>I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you\'ve included\n>>him\n \n>I think Gainey should feel honoured to know that he is\n>remembered at all.\n \n \nMy word, such vehemence against poor ol\' Bob Gainey. Why does\nhe bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style\nof play.\n \n>>on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view\n>>about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part\n>>of\n \n>Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team. And that\n>is simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to\n>go around. Who would you rather have as your "checking"\n>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would\n>take either Gretzky or Mario as my "checking" centres. Do you\n>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? \n \nI\'m really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. \nWhy don\'t you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ,\nhimself, in nets?\n \nNow, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy\nCarbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison.\n \n>>any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their\n>>contribution...I think that most people understand that it\'s\n>>not the Nobel Prize...so settle down.\n \n>You\'re wrong again. The Selke is awarded to the forward that\n>does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the\n>best plugger. If Gilmour does the best defensive job in the\n>league I don\'t see why he should be out of the running simply\n>because he also contributes offen-sively.\n \nI\'m wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let\'s see...where was I wrong in the\nfirst place? I\'m only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling\nthat you\'ve setup a "You\'re wrong again" macro key on your\nmachine.\n \nI agree that my use of the word plugger is simplistic...but I\nthink you know what I\'m getting at. I would also like to point\nout that Gilmour\'s potential as a Selke-winner was never part of\nthe debate...are you asking me for an opinion? If so, I think\nthere are far too many other deserving players to include Gilmour\namong the candidates.\n \n>>Settle down? If you think that I have likened the Selke to the\n>>Nobel prize then I suggest that you had best "settle down". \n>>And if you are going to try to put words in my mouth, let me\n>>suggest that you "settle down" before you bother following up\n>>on my postings. \n \nI would suggest that your comment: "And when the press runs out\nof things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype\nthe pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob\nNystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman,\nBob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick\nDuff...and so on..." demonstrates a blanket disregard for these\nindividuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle\ndown...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods.\n \n>>congenially, as always,\n>> \n>>jd\n>> \n>>--\n>>James David\n>>david@student.business.uwo.ca\n \n>You might consider developing your own style. After all,\n>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure\n>that flattery is not your intention.\n \nC\'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good\nlaugh.\n \ncongenially, as always,\n \njd\n \n--\nJames David\ndavid@student.business.uwo.ca\n\nj3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)\nWestern Business School -- London, Ontario\n',
'From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services\nSupersedes: <launchers_730956689@cs.unc.edu>\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 195\nDistribution: world\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:02:47 GMT\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\n\nArchive-name: space/launchers\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:11 $\n\nORBITAL AND PLANETARY LAUNCH SERVICES\n\nThe following data comes from _International Reference Guide to Space Launch\nSystems_ by Steven J. Isakowitz, 1991 edition.\n\nNotes:\n * Unless otherwise specified, LEO and polar paylaods are for a 100 nm\n\torbit.\n * Reliablity data includes launches through Dec, 1990. Reliabity for a\n\tfamiliy of vehicles includes launches by types no longer built when\n\tapplicable\n * Prices are in millions of 1990 $US and are subject to change.\n * Only operational vehicle families are included. Individual vehicles\n\twhich have not yet flown are marked by an asterisk (*) If a vehicle\n\thad first launch after publication of my data, it may still be\n\tmarked with an asterisk.\n\n\nVehicle | Payload kg (lbs) | Reliability | Price | Launch Site\n(nation) | LEO\t Polar GTO |\t\t|\t| (Lat. & Long.)\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nAriane\t\t\t\t\t 35/40 87.5%\t Kourou\n(ESA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t (5.2 N, 52.8 W)\n AR40\t\t4,900\t 3,900 1,900 1/1\t\t $65m\n\t (10,800) (8,580) (4,190)\n AR42P\t\t6,100\t 4,800 2,600 1/1\t\t $67m\n\t (13,400) (10,600) (5,730)\n AR44P\t\t6,900\t 5,500 3,000 0/0 ?\t $70m\n\t (15,200) (12,100) (6,610)\n AR42L\t\t7,400\t 5,900 3,200 0/0 ?\t $90m\n\t (16,300) (13,000) (7,050)\n AR44LP\t8,300\t 6,600 3,700 6/6\t\t $95m\n\t (18,300) (14,500) (8,160)\n AR44L\t\t9,600\t 7,700 4,200 3/4\t\t $115m\n\t (21,100) (16,900) (9,260)\n\n* AR5\t 18,000\t ???\t 6,800 0/0\t\t $105m\n\t (39,600)\t\t (15,000)\n\t [300nm]\n\n\nAtlas\t\t\t\t\t 213/245 86.9%\t Cape Canaveral\n(USA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t (28.5 N, 81.0W)\n Atlas E\t --\t 820\t -- 15/17\t $45m\t Vandeberg AFB\n\t\t\t (1,800)\t\t\t\t(34.7 N, 120.6W)\n\n Atlas I\t5,580\t 4,670 2,250 1/1\t\t $70m\n\t (12,300) (10,300) (4,950)\n\n Atlas II\t6,395\t 5,400 2,680 0/0\t\t $75m\n\t (14,100) (11,900) (5,900)\n\n Atlas IIA\t6,760\t 5,715 2,810 0/0\t\t $85m\n\t (14,900) (12,600) (6,200)\n\n* Atlas IIAS\t8,390\t 6,805 3,490 0/0\t\t $115m\n\t (18,500) (15,000) (7,700)\n\n\nDelta\t\t\t\t\t 189/201 94.0%\t Cape Canaveral\n(USA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t Vandenberg AFB\n Delta 6925\t3,900\t 2,950 1,450 14/14\t $45m\n\t (8,780)\t (6,490) (3,190)\n\n Delta 7925\t5,045\t 3,830 1,820 1/1\t\t $50m\n\t (11,100) (8,420) (2,000)\n\n\nEnergia\t\t\t\t\t 2/2 100%\t\t Baikonur\n(Russia)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t (45.6 N 63.4 E)\n Energia 88,000\t 80,000 ??? 2/2\t\t $110m\n\t (194,000) (176,000)\n\n\nH series\t\t\t\t 22/22 100%\t\t Tangeshima\n(Japan)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t(30.2 N 130.6 E)\n* H-2\t 10,500\t 6,600\t 4,000 0/0\t\t $110m\n\t (23,000)\t(14,500) (8,800)\n\n\nKosmos\t\t\t\t\t 371/377 98.4%\t Plestek\n(Russia)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t (62.8 N 40.1 E)\n Kosmos 1100 - 1350 (2300 - 3000)\t\t $???\t Kapustin Yar\n\t [400 km orbit ??? inclination]\t\t\t (48.4 N 45.8 E)\n\n\nLong March\t\t\t\t 23/25 92.0%\t\t Jiquan SLC\n(China)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t (41 N\t100 E)\n* CZ-1D\t\t 720\t ???\t 200 0/0\t\t $10m\t Xichang SLC\n\t\t(1,590)\t\t (440)\t\t\t (28 N\t102 E)\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t Taiyuan SLC\n CZ-2C\t\t3,200\t 1,750 1,000 12/12\t $20m\t (41 N\t100 E)\n\t (7,040)\t (3,860) (2,200)\n\n CZ-2E\t\t9,200\t ???\t 3,370 1/1\t\t $40m\n\t (20,300)\t\t (7,430)\n\n* CZ-2E/HO 13,600\t ???\t 4,500 0/0\t\t $???\n\t (29,900)\t\t (9,900)\n\n CZ-3\t\t???\t ???\t 1,400 6/7\t\t $33m\n\t\t\t\t (3,100)\n\n* CZ-3A\t\t???\t ???\t 2,500 0/0\t\t $???m\n\t\t\t\t (5,500)\n\n CZ-4\t\t4,000\t ???\t 1,100 2/2\t\t $???m\n\t (8,800)\t\t (2,430)\n\n\nPegasus/Taurus\t\t\t\t 2/2 100%\t\tPeg: B-52/L1011\n(USA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tTaur: Canaveral\n Pegasus\t 455\t 365\t 125 2/2\t\t $10m\t or Vandenberg\n\t\t(1,000) (800) (275)\n\n* Taurus\t1,450\t 1,180 375 0/0\t\t $15m\n\t (3,200)\t (2,600) (830)\n\n\nProton\t\t\t\t\t 164/187 87.7%\t Baikonour\n(Russia)\n Proton 20,000\t ???\t 5,500 164/187\t $35-70m\n\t (44,100)\t\t (12,200)\n\n\nSCOUT\t\t\t\t\t 99/113 87.6%\tVandenberg AFB\n(USA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tWallops FF\n SCOUT G-1\t 270\t 210\t 54\t 13/13\t $12m\t(37.9 N 75.4 W)\n\t\t(600)\t (460) (120)\t\t\tSan Marco\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t(2.9 S\t40.3 E)\n* Enhanced SCOUT 525\t 372\t 110\t 0/0\t\t $15m\n\t\t(1,160) (820) (240)\n\n\nShavit\t\t\t\t\t 2/2 100%\t\tPalmachim AFB\n(Israel)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t( ~31 N)\n Shavit\t ???\t 160\t ???\t 2/2\t\t $22m\n\t\t\t (350)\n\nSpace Shuttle\t\t\t\t 37/38 97.4%\tKennedy Space\n(USA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tCenter\n Shuttle/SRB 23,500\t ???\t 5,900 37/38\t $248m (28.5 N 81.0 W)\n\t (51,800)\t\t (13,000)\t\t [FY88]\n\n* Shuttle/ASRM 27,100\t ???\t ???\t 0/0\n\t (59,800)\n\n\nSLV\t\t\t\t\t 2/6 33.3%\tSHAR Center\n(India) (400km) (900km polar)\t\t\t\t(13.9 N 80.4 E)\n ASLV\t\t150\t ???\t ??? 0/2\t\t $???m\n\t (330)\n\n* PSLV\t\t3,000\t 1,000 450 0/0\t\t $???m\n\t (6,600)\t (2,200) (990)\n\n* GSLV\t\t8,000\t ???\t 2,500 0/0\t\t $???m\n\t (17,600)\t\t (5,500)\n\n\nTitan\t\t\t\t\t 160/172 93.0%\tCape Canaveral\n(USA)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tVandenberg\n Titan II\t ???\t 1,905 ??? 2/2\t\t $43m\n\t\t\t (4,200)\n\n Titan III 14,515\t ???\t 5,000 2/3\t\t $140m\n\t (32,000)\t\t (11,000)\n\n Titan IV/SRM 17,700\t 14,100 6,350 3/3\t\t $154m-$227m\n\t (39,000)\t(31,100) (14,000)\n\n Titan IV/SRMU 21,640\t 18,600 8,620 0/0\t\t $???m\n\t (47,700)\t(41,000) (19,000)\n\n\nVostok\t\t\t\t\t 1358/1401 96.9%\tBaikonur\n(Russia)\t\t [650km]\t\t\t\tPlesetsk\n Vostok\t4,730\t 1,840 ??? ?/149\t $14m\n\t (10,400)\t(4,060)\n\n Soyuz\t\t7,000\t ???\t ??? ?/944\t $15m\n\t (15,400)\n\n Molniya\t1500kg (3300 lbs) in\t ?/258\t $???M\n\t\tHighly eliptical orbit\n\n\nZenit\t\t\t\t\t 12/13 92.3%\tBaikonur\n(Russia)\n Zenit 13,740\t 11,380 4,300 12/13\t $65m\n\t (30,300)\t(25,090) (9,480)\n',
'From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nOrganization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nAs a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but\nright now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money\ndown a rathole.\n When you guys sort this out let me know.\n\n--\n*******************************************************************************\n* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *\n* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. *\n*******************************************************************************\n',
"From: bshelley@ucs.indiana.edu ()\nSubject: Xanax...please provide info\nNntp-Posting-Host: jh224-718622.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 9\n\nI am currently doing a group research project on the drug Xanax. I would\nbe exponentially gracious to receive any and all information you could\nprovide\nme regarding its usage, history, mechanism of reaction, side effects, and\nother pertinent information. I don't care how long or how short your \nresponse is.\n\nThanks in advance!\nBrent E. Shelley\n",
"From: 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu\nSubject: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot.\nOrganization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's\nLines: 14\n\nI just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have\nfor Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he\nstart Maldonado over May. After the way May played at the end of last year and\nthe way he tore up the Cactus League how could you let him sit the bench? Not\nto mention that a right hander (Maddux) started. I really blew my top when\nLefebvre pinch hit for Rick Wilkins with TOMMY SHIELDS! How can you do that\njust because of the lefty-righty thing, too much is made of that. Wilkins is\ntwice the hitter that Shields is. Then the next batter was Jose Vizcaino, one\nof the weakest hitters I have ever seen, and who had looked terrible at bat all\nday, and Lefebre let him hit, while May still sat the bench. I think even Arnie\nHarris was stunned by this because he showed May sitting in the dugout while\nVizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in\nbaseball.\n\t\t\t\t\t\tA dishard Cub fan\n",
'From: lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu (L Clator Butler Jr)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: Clemson University\nLines: 11\n\nmcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the\n>Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so\n>(it would have discredited the Christians).\n\nIt is told in the Gospels that the Pharisees (sp.?) and scribes bribed\nthe Roman soldiers to say that the Diciples stole his body in the night.\nGood enough excuse for the Jewish and Roman objectives (of that day).\n\n--Clator\n--lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu\n',
'From: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (George Kirkaldie)\nOrganization: Sanitarium BBS - Cambridge, Ontario, Canada\nSubject: Re: birds - are they physics majors?\nReply-To: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca\nX-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep 5 1992\nLines: 28\n\nIn <C5pn2p.L44@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, Operator writes:\n}Crazy question: "Anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car\n}going over 65 MPH" ? \n}\n}I took a non-stop trip, got shitted on FOUR times (every time hitting the \n}windshield, not even the open sunroof! Guess we have conscientious birds ;)\n}Was going 75 MPH.\n}\n}\n\nI used to have a \'67 Galaxie convertible, was sitting at a light waiting\nfor it to turn green. It turned green, but I hesitated a little (sleeping I\nguess) and a bird bombed me, it landed directly in front of me at eye\nlevel, I guess the bird miscalculated and thought I was going to take off\nright away.\n\nAnd I\'m still trying to figure out the one I got under my rear bumper as\nwell ?!?!?! Was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and\ndecided to drop one while executing a perfect loop??\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n TT030 |\'87 Mustang GT |George Kirkaldie\n ||| |Pioneer, Audio Control |gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca\n ||| |Phoenix Gold, Kicker |\n / | \\ |Flowmaster, Motorsport |Cambridge, Ontario, Canada\nA T A R I | |\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nSubject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets\nReply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nLines: 14\n\nIf "I forgot" doesn\'t have as much credibility as you\'d like, consider\nthis alternative. Somewhere on the hard disk, duplicated a few times,\nkeep a 128-bit random number. When the 128-bit digest of your\npassphrase is computed, it is XORred with the random number before being\nused as the key for your hard disk. Writing random junk over the random\nnumbers makes the hard disk unreadable by anyone.\n\nNow, if you were merely to *claim* that you have written random junk\nover the XOR key, no-one would be able to tell whether or not you were\ntelling the truth. This is (a) perjury, and (b) vunerable to\nrubber-hose cryptography, but otherwise effective.\n __ _____\n\\/ o\\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\\\ //\n/\\__/ Trust me. I know what I\'m doing. \\X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!\n',
'Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE\nFrom: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu\nReply-To: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu\nOrganization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN\nNntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2\nLines: 14\n\n\n\n\nIn article <ekdfc.14.0@ttacs1.ttu.edu>, ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu \n>writes:\n>>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION\n>>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE "MAGIC"\n>\n>Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of \n>nine players each. Let\'s keep it that way.\n\nLast weeks Sports Illustrated has a couple of big articles on the designated\nhitter. It is the 1993 baseball issue. Th is weeks Sports Illustrated\n',
'From: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)\nSubject: Re: Lots of runs\nReply-To: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)\nOrganization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD\nLines: 18\n\nIn rec.sport.baseball, CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) writes:\n>I have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games (at least the\n>NL has). I believe one reason are the expansion teams. Any thoughts?\n>\n\n Except for the fact that there seems to be a lot of high scoring AL\ngames also and I don\'t think the expansion teams directly affect them.\n\nK. Scott Day (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil)\nCarderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center\nCode 1252\nBethesda, Maryland 20084-5000\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n* "The point to remember is that what the government gives \n* it must first take away."\n* -John S. Coleman \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center\nFrom: <RCB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>\nSubject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?\nDistribution: world\nLines: 21\n\n\n> From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson)\n\n> Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is,\n> cnter and radius, exactly fitting those points?\n\nThe equation of the sphere through the 4 points (x1,y1,z1),...,(x4,y4,z4) is\n | x^2+y^2+z^2 x1^2+y1^2+z1^2 ... x4^2+y4^2+z4^2 |\n | x x1 ... x4 |\n | y y1 ... y4 | = 0\n | z z1 ... z4 |\n | 1 1 ... 1 |\nWhen this 5 by 5 determininant is expanded on its first column you get the\nequation in the form\n A(x^2+y^2+z^2) + Bx + Cy + Dz + E = 0\nIf you need the center and radius, jyst divide through by A (it cannot be\nzero if the 4 given points form a non-degenerate tetrahedron) and complete\nthe square on x, y, and z to obtain\n (x-xc)^2 + (y-yc)^2 + (z-zc)^2 = r^2\n\nrcb@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Bob Beach)\n',
'From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin)\nSubject: Christians that are not church members\nReply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 13\n\nOver the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with\nany local church and are not members of any local church. This is\nan issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does\nthe Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with\nregard to this issue?\n\n|-------------------|\n| Gary Chin |\n| Staff Engineer |\n| Sun Microsystems |\n| Mt. View, CA |\n| gchin@Eng.Sun.Com |\n|-------------------|\n',
'From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)\nSubject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1026\nOrganization: Stanford University\nLines: 19\n\nfarzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:\n\n>From: Kayhan Havai # 1026\n>--------------------------\n> \n> [...]\n>\n>o Dr. Malekzadeh, the minister of health mentioned that\n> the population growth rate in Iran at the end of 1371\n> went below 2.7\n\nI know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the\nrelatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period\nis so small (at the end of 1371)? Is it adequete to suggest a trend or\nis it just noise?\n\n> - Farzin Mokhtarian\n\n --mack\n',
'From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck)\nSubject: Daily Verse\nLines: 5\n\n\n When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives,\nthe whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for\nall the miracles they had seen: \nLuke 19:37\n',
"From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)\nSubject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC\nLines: 27\n\n<lots of pretty good stuff about how the huge towers near most nuclear\npower plants are there to cool the used steam back into near ambient\ntemperature water deleted>\n\n>>water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many\n>>fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive\n>>contamination.\n\n> Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual \n>boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry\n>that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's\n>more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system\n>as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. \n\n as a point of info, some of the early nuclear power plants in this\ncountry used the fission pile as a first stage to get the water hot, and\nthen had a second stage -fossil fuel- step to get the water (actually\nsteam) VERY HOT.\n\n I remember seeing this at Con Edison's Indian Point #1 power plant,\nwhich is about 30 miles north of NYC, and built more or less 1958.\n\n\ndannyb@panix.com\n\n(all the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be)\n\n",
"From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce)\nSubject: Need pinouts for a G8870 dtmf decoder chip\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 19\n\n\nI bought this chip from Suncoast Technology and tried to build their\ndtmf decoder circuit. But it's not working...\n\nIf anyone has the pinouts and possibly the voltage specs I'd sure\nappreciated it. If someone could fax, email, or snail mail a copy\nof the spec sheet for this chip that would be even better. :)\n\nPlease email me if you can help. \n\nThanks in advance,\n-- \nMont Pierce\n\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com |\n| bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com |\n| modes: cw,ssb,fm |\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
"From: jeffcop@i88.isc.com (Jeff Copeland)\nSubject: HP Interface Architect\nNntp-Posting-Host: laila.i88.isc.com\nOrganization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 15\n\nHey GUI folks,\n\nDoes anyone out there have experience with the HP Interface Architect\n(GUI dev tool)? If so, can I call you and ask a couple of quick\nquestions? I promise I'll be brief, the questions are simple, and of\ncourse I'll call on my nickel.\n\nJeff Copeland\njeffcop@i88.isc.com\n\n708-505-9100 x330\nINTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (now a Systemhouse co.)\n-- \nJeff Copeland\njeffcop@i88.isc.com 708-505-9100 x330\n",
'From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nOrganization: /usr/local/rn/organization\nDistribution: na\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.081214.3921@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:\n>>>>>second basemen in history. He probably didn\'t even have as good a season as\n>>>>>Alomar last year.\n>>>\n>>>Guess which line is which:\n>>>\tBA\tOBP\tSLG\tAB\tH\t2B\t3B\tHR\tBB\n>>>X\t.310\t.405\t.427\t571\t177\t27\t8\t8\t87\n>>>Y\t.312\t.354\t.455\t657\t205\t32\t1\t20\t35\n>>\n>>>The walks should give it away. OBP\'s, in general, somewhat more valuable than\n>>>slugging, and Alomar\'s edge in OBP was quite a bit larger than Baerga\'s edge\n>>>in slugging.\n>>\n>>I\'m no SDCN, but what\'s more valuable:\n>>\n>>28 hits w/5 more doubles, 12 more HRs OR\n>>7 more triples and 52 BBs? (Let\'s not forget the 39 extra SBs. How many CS?)\n>\n>Of course the 28 hits and 12 homers are more valuable.\n>\n>But don\'t forget the 58 outs. You can\'t have it both ways; Baerga\'s higher\n>raw numbers are due to him having more playing time, and thus he had more\n>hits and homers, but don\'t forget the cost of those outs.\n>\n>(BTW, just to answer your question, Alomar had 49 SB and 9 CS; Baerga had\n>10 SB and 2 CS, which gives a minute plus on Alomar\'s side.)\n\nSomething else to consider:\n\nAlomar\'s H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga\'s was .486-.424\nand .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park.\n\nI\'d say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P\nrated Baerga higher, actually.\n\nMike\n-- \nDisclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^?\nexit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT\n^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !!\nman help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel "Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."\n',
"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)\nLines: 9\n\n\t\tI think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines\n\tare known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart\n\thardware?)\n\nAssume the ton of smart hardware. It doesn't really have to be that smart.\n\nG\n\n\n",
'From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat)\nSubject: Keith IS a relativist!\nOrganization: Cured, discharged\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1pigidINNsot@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n\n> Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you\n> blame the tiger?\n\nAHA! He admits it! He IS a moral relativist!\n\nKeith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human\nto maul someone thrown into it\'s cage (so to speak), you\'d better start\nposting tome decent evidence or retract your \'I think there is an absolute\nmorality\' blurb a few weeks ago.\n\n> keith\n\nThe Desert Brat\n-- \nJohn J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________\n9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \\/Darwin o\\\nFor replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\\________/\nDisclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb\n+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+\n|"It doesn\'t make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | "God\'s name is smack |\n|understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some." |\n|produce it." - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains |\n+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+\n',
"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)\nSubject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:\n|> \n|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about\n|> it!\n|> \n|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles\n|> according to my odometer!\n|> \n\nmark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in\nmassachusetts (or was it connecticut?).\n\naxel\n\n",
'From: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw)\nSubject: Ray tracer for ms-dos?\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu\nOriginator: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu\n\n\nSorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good\nfree/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save\nthem as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =)\n\nThanks in advance\n\nDaemon\n\n',
'From: jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <115571@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n>In article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:\n>\n>>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n>\n>>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini\n>>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution\n>>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie\'s\n>>>behavior was not completely excusable.\n\nAs much as I considered some of the (so-called) Islam-related dialogue\nhere a total waste of time, I somehow can\'t restrain myself in this\ninstance, so, Gregg, try this:\n\n20:52 P.S.T. I come to my senses and accept the all-knowing\nwisdom and power of the Quran and Allah. Not only that, but Allah \nhimself drops by to congratulate me on my wise choice. Allah rolls a\nfew bones and we get down. Then Allah gets out the Crisco, bends \nover, and invites me to take a spin around the block. Wow.\n\n20:56 P.S.T. I realize that maybe Allah is looking for more of a \ncommitment than I\'m ready for, so I say "Man, I\'ve got some\nprogramming to do. Gotta go. I\'ll call you."\n\n20:59 P.S.T Thinking it over, I renounce Islam.\n\nBTW, Gregg, Allah said he still thinks of you.\n\nJim\n\n',
'From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)\nSubject: Re: Ranger vs. S-10 opinions\nArticle-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.203313.24290\nOrganization: Western Washington University\nLines: 16\n\nIf your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months\nfor the 1994 GMC sonoma. Magazines are saying it is day and night over the\ncurrent truck. It\'s georgeous, solid, and fast (200hp Vortec 4.3 V-6).\nShould whip the Ranger in every area too (accept maybe payload). And always\npick a GMC over a Chevy. GMC\'s are always so much better looking. Man, I \nmiss the Comanche.\n\nMarty and Matt Owings\n\'87 250 ninja type rider dudes\n\n"It\'s a feeling that we all wanna know\nand it\'s an obsession to some\nto keep the world in you rearview mirror\nwhile you try to run down the sun"\n\n"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart.\n',
'From: rdell@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.b.dell)\nSubject: Re: Fujitsu 8" HDD\nKeywords: M2321K, M2322K, Fujitsu, Microdisk (-:\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.204351.2256@aber.ac.uk> cjp1@aber.ac.uk (Christopher John Powell) writes:\n\n[deletions]\n\n>It appears to use two balanced-line connections, but what each connection\n>corresponds to I know not. One connection is a 30-way IDC, the other a\n>60-way IDC.\n\nSounds like it is an SMD interface to me, not being at work now\nto actually count pins. there are two varients, SMD and\nSMDC (I think), only minor differences between them. Widely used\nprior to the advent of SCSI for large drives (or all drives) on minis\n(and mainframes(?) no experience on those).\n\nRichard Dell\n',
'From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan)\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\nReply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan)\nOrganization: Iowa State University\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.143453.3127@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau\nNapoleon) writes:\n> From article <1qvgu5INN2np@lynx.unm.edu>, by osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek\nOsinski):\n> \n> > Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in\n> > requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters. \n> > So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul?\n> > \n> > Marek Osinski\n> \n> Thessaloniki is called Thessaloniki by its inhabitants for the last 2300\nyears.\n> The city was never called Solun by its inhabitants.\n> Instabul was called Konstantinoupolis from 320 AD until about the 1920s.\n> That\'s about 1600 years. There many people alive today who were born in a\ncity\n> called Konstantinoupolis. How many people do you know that were born in a city\n> called Solun.\n> \n> Napoleon\n\nAre you one of those people who were born when Istanbul was called \nKonstantinopolis? I don\'t think so! If those people use it because\nthey are used to do so, then I understand. But open any map\ntoday (except a few that try to be political) you will see that the name \nof the city is printed as Istanbul. So, don\'t try to give\nany arguments to using Konstantinopolis except to cause some\nflames, to make some political statement. \n\n\n--\nTankut Atan\ntankut@iastate.edu\n\n"Achtung, baby!"\n',
'From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com\n\nIn article <C5wpAD.74K@specialix.com> jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes:\n>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:\n>>>\n>\n>\n>>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In\n>\n>The donations are tax deductible like any donations to a non-profit\n>organization. I\'ve donated money to a group restoring streetcars\n>and it was tax deductible. Why don\'t you contribute to a group\n>helping the homeless if you so concerned?\n\nI do (did) contribute to the ARF mortgage fund but when interest\nrates plumetted, I just paid it off.\n\nThe problem is, I couldn\'t convince Congress to move my home to \na nicer location on Federal land.\n\nBTW, even though the building is alleged to be funded by tax exempt\nprivate funds, the maintainence and operating costs will be borne by \ntaxpayers forever.\n\nWould anyone like to guess how much that will come to and tell us why\nthis point is never mentioned?\n\njs\n',
"From: rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter)\nSubject: How do I put an HD on an XT?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nLines: 12\n\nThis may be a dumb question, but I need to put a hard drive on my father's\nPC/XT, either MFM, RLL, or IDE. I know how to hook it up, but how do I tell\nthe computer the geometry of the drive. On my 386, you set it in the BIOS, but\nI doubt that's how it's done on an XT. I thought it might be software with\nthe controller card, but the IDE card for XT's that I saw didn't come with\nany. Also, how do I low level format it once it's on the computer? (Assuming\na drive which needs formatting)\n\nadvTHANKSance,\n\nRob\nrxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu\n",
"From: neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern))\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nNntp-Posting-Host: vier.informatik.uni-kl.de\nOrganization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany\nLines: 39\n\ngtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:\n\n>Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run\n>digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets\n>say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate\n>be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?\n\nNote: I am *not* a cable freak, so I might have completely\nmisunderstood what you said. Also, my math is frequently noted for\nbeing wrong, so you'll better check the calculations yourself.\n\nI assume that 14.4K means 14.4K Bits. So if we assume one start and\none stopbit, and no protocol overhead, the effective number of bytes\nper second is 1.44K.\n\nLet's also assume that you do not want to transmit your speech in\nstereo, so that you can send 1,440 samples/sec. This corresponds to a\nNyquist frequency of 720 Hz, which should be too low, especially if\nyou think about the 8-bit low quality sound. Furthermore, your D/A\nconverter will probably not present you with a signal that has been\ncut off at 720 Hz, but will instead alias in all the higher\nfrequencies. (Although you can definitely build a filter to overcome\nthat problem.)\n\nOn the other hand, speech should be easily compressible. For example,\nyou could form power spectra, or you could simply band-pass filter and\nthen linearize the fourier transforms. It won't be CD quality sound,\nbut it'll be discernible. The power spectrum method is very good in\nthat respect. I have once programmed such a software compressor, and\ncompression rates of 90% with relative errors due to linearization of\nless than 5% were common. Although I must say that these were musical\nsounds, not speech.\n\nHave fun.\n\n-- \nStephan <neuhaus@informatik.uni-kl.de>\nsig closed for inventory. Please leave your pickaxe outside.\nPGP 2.2 public key available on request. Note the expiration date.\n",
"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Re: Rodney King Trial, Civil Rights Violations, Double Jeopardy\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr2.182942.22445@husc3.harvard.edu> spanagel@husc11.harvard.edu (David Spanagel) writes:\n\n|Recently it's occured to me that I've never heard of any PERSON ever being\n|tried in Federal Court for violating someone's civil rights. Of course\n|there have been cases before the Supreme Court in which it was decided\n|that someone's civil rights had been violated (e.g., Miranda, Escobedo,\n|etc.), but institutions were, de facto, the defendants, not individuals. Am I\n|mistaken? Have there been similar cases against individuals in the past? \n\nI know it was used several times in the south, to prosecute the murders of\nblacks, after all white juries had cleared the accussed.\n\n|Furthermore, what are the specific charges against the four LAPD officers? \n|Which civil rights or laws are they accused of violating? \n\nI believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned.\n\n|What about double jeopardy? Has there been any concern that a verdict\n|against Koon, et al. might be overturned upon appeal because they're being tried\n|again for the same actions? (I thought I heard something on the news about \n|this.)\n\nThe SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in\nessence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply.\n\n(If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and\ncounty governments?)\n\nThis mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its\nopposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their\nopposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope\nfor the ACLU after all.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n",
'From: hgn@pmw1.nuclint.NL (Hans Geurtsen)\nSubject: Cursors\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 19\nTo: motif@alfalfa.com, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nAccording to the OSF/Motif Style Guide, one should use cursor shapes to give\nthe user a visual clue of what is happening or what is expected of him. So\na "hourglass" cursor should be shown when the application is busy, or a\n"caution" cursor should be shown over an area when input is expected in\nanother. Defining cursors for widgets has to be done at rather low level.\nSo defining a cursor for all widgets in an application but not for a certain\nsubpart of it, is a rather complicated matter. When cursors have been defined\nfor some windows, e.g. a "crosswire" cursor for a DrawingArea, things get even\nmore complicated. My intuition says that things should be easier, but is this\nso? If anyone has a solid and complete solution to my problem, please let me\nknow. The topics on "busy cursors" in the several FAQ\'s are not helpful, since\nthey only work for applications where all windows have the cursor window\nattribute set to \'None\'.\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nHans Geurtsen Phone: (31) (0) 8385 - 33157\nNucletron Research BV. e-mail: hgn@nuclint.nl\n Surface: Waardgelder 1\n NL-3905 TH Veenendaal\n\n',
"From: blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli)\nSubject: Re: New to Motorcycles...\nOrganization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8]\nLines: 15\n\nGregory Humphreys (gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote:\n\n\n\nGreg,\n\nI'm very new to motorcycles. Haven't even bought one yet. I was in the same\nposition about you. How do you learn if you've never ridden.\n\nI took a class put on by a group called the Motorcycle Safety Foundation\nin California. They might have something similar in Washington.\n\nTry calling a motorcycle dealer in your area and asking. It's a good first \nstart on how to ride a motorcycle correctly.\n\n",
'From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)\nSubject: Re: Schedule...\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: teal\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.052907.1625@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:\n>I can\'t believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good.\n\nBut only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only\nreason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts.\nAnd local baseball pre-empted the NHL playoffs. Thus far into this\nplayoff season, ESPN/ABC has given me more hockey in 2 days (1 game)\nthan SportsChannel did (0 games).\n\nIf people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet the\nratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. Next week, there\nwill be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey.\n\nSomeone in this thread said that he wouldn\'t watch the games even if\nthey were on TV, and this is a r.s.h. regular contributor!\n\nXenophobes north of border needn\'t fear the US-Americanization of "our"\ngame, because US-Americans will never figure out how to market hockey\nhere. Support your team; support your game.\n-- \n Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but\n their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh\'s. Their\n players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his\n wallet back, right?\'\' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in\n rec.sport.hockey\n',
"From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark)\nSubject: Re: DSP or other cards for FFT's, anyone?\nNntp-Posting-Host: elvex33.acns.nwu.edu\nOrganization: Northwestern University\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1qjnpi$bsj@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>,\nig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) wrote:\n> \n> We are doing heavy - duty image processing with some seriously\n> underpowered Mac's (Mac IIsi, for example). Most of the CPU time is\n> burned in doing FFT's.\n> \n> What cards are out there which would allow us to take away that part\n> of the load from the CPU? Any DSP 56001 or i860 cards out there,\n> for example? They'd have to be callable from Think Pascal, to\n> replace the one - and two - dimensional FFT's routines in an already\n> existing program.\n\nCheck out the National Instruments NB-DSP2300. This uses the Texas\nInstruments TMS320C30 chip, which is a true 32 bit floating point DSP. It's\npricey, however.\n",
'Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nFrom: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Winona State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu>, ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nwrote:\n> \n> \n> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:\n> \n> Mike Terry asks:\n> \n> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n> >\n> No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects\n> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift\n> off the ground.\n\n\tThis is true as evinced by the popularity of shaft-drive drag bikes.\n\n====================================================\nJohn Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona\n All standard disclaimers apply.\n',
"From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)\nSubject: David Koresh - Messianic Cult???\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 12\n\nHello.\n\n\nI just read my first newspaper in a while and noticed an article on a\n'messianic cult' leader named 'David Koresh'.\n\nI'd like to know more about this and what is going on with them.\n\nPlease email me as I don't normally read this newsgroup. Thanks.\n\n\nThyagi@HouseofKaos.Abyss.com\n",
"From: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu (John Horstman)\nSubject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt\nArticle-I.D.: news.1993Apr15.181531.26088\nReply-To: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 38\nNntp-Posting-Host: dead.duc.auburn.edu\n\nIn article KKq@acsu.buffalo.edu, v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes...\n>> \n>>If the Penguins get out of the Patrick, they will win the\n>>cup. However, their hardest task is to get out of that division.\n>>I'm sure that Washington will most definitly throw a rench into the\n>>Penguin plans. I'm a Canucks fan (not that I think much of their\n>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY\n>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup.\n>\n>I was under the impression that the Penguins has had the Caps number for \n>most of the season.\n>\n>> \n>> \n>> \n>>=============================================******>>\n>> \n>> Mathew Tasalloti\n>> MPR Teltech Ltd.\n>> Vancouver, BC, Canada \n>> \n>> <<******==================================================\n>********************************************************************************\n>Of course no one asked me, I always interject my opinions on matters I have no\n>concern over.\n>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Go Islanders, Playoffs here we come\n>Go Jets for '93\n>********************************************************************************\n\n\nAnd last year the Capitals had the Pens number up until about game 3 of the playoffs.\n\n\n\n\nJohn Horstmann\n",
'Subject: Re: "Imaginary" Friends - Info and Experiences\nFrom: patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan)\nOrganization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs195.bnr.co.uk\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.041929.24320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto) writes:\n>\n>Concerniong this thread...\n>\n>Has anyone ever seen "Drop Dead Fred" ?? THis movie seems to tipify the\n>"imaginary friend" theme rather well. I LOVED the movie, as i had an\n>imaginary friend when i was a kid and it borught back great memories. \n>\n>Seriously, if you have a chance, see "Drop Dead Fred". It\'ll make ya\n>think. especially the end.\n>\n>Blessings!\n>--Kim\n>\n\n\n-- \nPatrick Brosnan. <patb@bnr.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!patb\nNorthern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. \nPhone : +44 81 945 2135 or +44 81 945 4000 x2135\n"Oh, Flash, I love you - but we\'ve only got 14 hours to save the universe."\n',
'From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba)\nSubject: Re: BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS and Archer\nNntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com\nOrganization: Medtronic, Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 27\n\nJenny Anderson (jennya@well.sf.ca.us) wrote:\n\n: medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous\n: posting, in which I wrote:\n\n: : firmly on the western coast of the Med. You can bet IUm gonna keep this\n: baby\n\n: >My my my, such double standards. You neglected to give any primary sources\n: >for your book, _Encyclopedia of the Bible_. Are we to expect that source\n: >to be as unbiased as the other sources... MR. Butler *DID* give at least\n: >one source, you have given none.\n\n: REPLY\n\n: It was a JOKE. The Readers digest _Encyclopedia of the Bible_ was the most\n: outrageously bogus *authority* I could dredge from my shelves.\n: I was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia, rather than\n: original or scholarly sources is a BIG MISTAKE in procedure. I am glad\n: to note that Butler and DeCesno are arguing about substance now,\n: rather than about arguing.\n\nI guess the joke was on me... I am so used to seeing bogus stuff\nposted here that I assumed that yours was necessarily the same.\n\n--\nDale Skiba\n',
'From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nSubject: Re: An invisible God!\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as \'guest\'.\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.152833.7811@maths.tcd.ie> \npmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:\n>jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) writes:\n>> God CAN be seen:\n>> "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."\n>Wot? God\'s a mooner? \n\nSuch lunacy!\n\n>(Gee, maybe there\'s something in this Christianity thing after all -\n>maybe God is John Belushi from "Animal House")\n\nThe SuperNatural One wants to have a personal relationship with you.\nJHVH-1, come quick!\n',
"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)\nSubject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 37\n\n[reply to Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince]\n \n>There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was cured of\n>CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are using it in the\n>treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you using accutane in the\n>treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome?\n \nYes.\n \n>Have you used it for CFS?\n \nIt seems to work equally well for CFS, another hint that these may be\ndifferent facets of the same underlying process.\n \n>Have you gotten good results with it?\n \nYes. The benefit is usually evident within a few days of starting it.\nMost of the patients for whom it has worked well continued low-dose\namitriptyline, daily aerobic excersise, and a regular sleep schedule\n(current standard therapy). Because of the cost (usually > $150/mo.,\ndepending on dose) and potential for significant side effects like\ncorneal injury and birth defects, I currently reserve it for those who\nfail conventional treatment. It is important that the person\nprescribing it have some experience with it and follow the patient\nclosely.\n \n>Are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in\n>these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies.\n \nAs far as I know, I am the only person looking at it currently. I\nshould get off my duff and finish writing up some case reports. I'm not\nan academic physician, so I don't feel the pressure to publish or perish\nand I don't have the time during the work day for such things.\n \nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI\nThis is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher\nmust learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell\n",
'From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)\nSubject: Re: Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <C5xuGL.Jow@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>, xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes...\n>Writer Kathy Sawyer reported in today\'s Washington Post that Joseph Shea, the \n>head of the space station redesign has resigned for health reasons.\n> \n>Shea was hospitalized shortly after his selection in February. He returned\n>yesterday to lead the formal presentation to the independent White House panel.\n>Shea\'s presentation was rambling and almost inaudible.\n\nI missed the presentations given in the morning session (when Shea gave\nhis "rambling and almost inaudible" presentation), but I did attend\nthe afternoon session. The meeting was in a small conference room. The\nspeaker was wired with a mike, and there were microphones on the table for\nthe panel members to use. Peons (like me) sat in a foyer outside the\nconference room, and watched the presentations on closed circuit TV. In\ngeneral, the sound system was fair to poor, and some of the other\nspeakers (like the committee member from the Italian Space Agency)\nalso were "almost inaudible."\n\nShea didn\'t "lead the formal presentation," in the sense of running\nor guiding the presentation. He didn\'t even attend the afternoon\nsession. Vest ran the show (President of MIT, the chair of the\nadvisory panel).\n\n> \n>Shea\'s deputy, former astronaut Bryan O\'Connor, will take over the effort.\n\nNote that O\'Connor has been running the day-to-day\noperations of the of the redesign team since Shea got sick (which\nwas immediately after the panel was formed).\n\n',
'From: tommc@hpcvusj.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland)\nSubject: Re: Mysterious beeping\nNntp-Posting-Host: hpcvusj.cv.hp.com\nReply-To: tommc@cv.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard UTD-Corvallis\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <C5qtKK.wp@cup.hp.com>, defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes:\n|> [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ]\n|> [ Author was Andy DeFaria ]\n|> [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ]\n|> \n|> For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I\n|> intercept a keystroke and change it\'s meaning. The intent of this code it to\n|> allow "date" fields the following special keys:\n|> \n|> \t[Tt]:\tInsert today\'s date\n|> \t[+=]:\tBump day up by one\n|> \t[-_]:\tBump day down by one\n|> \n|> I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn\'t be using an\n|> XmText field for this.\n|> \n|> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \n|> // \n|> // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys\n|> // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these\n|> // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get\n|> // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I\'m not doing the beep and \n|> // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring.\n|> // \n|> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \n\n\ncode deleted...\n\n>From the XmTextField man page (during discussion of resources):\n\n XmNverifyBell\n\n Specifies whether a bell will sound when an action is reversed\n during a verification callback.\n\nYou are setting doit to false in the callback, and Text[Field] is beeping\nas it should. To turn off this behavior, set this boolean resource to false.\n\nTom McFarland\n<tommc@cv.hp.com>\n',
'From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)\nSubject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nOrganization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK\nLines: 68\n\nIn article <1993Apr03.102200.4802@armory.com> rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:\n>In article <C4tI6G.8C3@exnet.co.uk> sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:\n>>In article <C4oBCK.761@unix.portal.com> drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes:\n>>>There is something that bothers me about this whole arguement.\n>>>\n>>>\n>>>5) Could someone please CALMLY explain why homosexuality is such a great sin?\n>>> Without giving the standard "Just because God sez so". Almost all of Judeo-\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>Thanks for your posting, I enjoyed it.\n>>\n>>The reason Homosexuality is a sin is because the Jews were a struggling\n>>group of people trying hard to survive and differentiate between\n>>themselves and their oppressors. This led to several things.\n>>\n>>1. Worshipping one god. All their foes were polytheistic.\n>>\n>>2. All sex was put in to a moral context. All their foes were perverts\n>> and spilled their seed liberally. \n>--------------------------------\n>It\'s just as easy to spill seed or spread it thin heterosexualy, why then\n>the specific prohibition on homosexuals, especially since the answer to\n>everything back then was stoning to death, doesn\'t help population growth\n>much. Also to just say that "their foes were perverts" begs the question,\n\nThe key word is `spilled\'. If semen was spilled anywhere where there\nwas a chance of procreation it was OK. If it was spilt on the ground or\nin to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro-\ncreation.\n\nHomosexuals didn\'t breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned\nto death. \n\n\n>\n>>3. All sex was directed towards breeding. The jews were few in number\n>> and their foes many. To survive everything had to go into multiplication.\n>--------------------------------------\n>Like I said, stoning to death doesn\'t help population much. It sounds more\n>like a set of prejudices that already existed and were blown into a religion\n>to emphasize the differences of Jewish culture and enshrine some pretty\n\n\nStoning non-breeding population was fine. Only the breeders were\nconsidered to be worth much.\n\n>> 1% Jesus, 70% Judaism, 29% original (prejudiced) Bullshit.\n>-------------------------------\n>I\'ll buy the bullshit. He was a profound misogynist as well. He might have\n>been bitterly gay himself. No record of marriage.\n>-RSW\n>\n>>>Ben Gibson\n>>Xavier\n>\n>\n>-- \n>* Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 *\n\n\nXavier\n-- \n* Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play ***************************\n* Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ******\n* World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email ***************************\n* Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\n',
"From: lgardi@uwovax.uwo.ca\nSubject: Re: Long distance IR detection\nOrganization: University of Western Ont, London\nNntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.183416.18744@dres.dnd.ca>, sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes:\n> \n> --\n> \n> I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an\n> IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in\n> daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward\n> 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle.\n> \n> I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give\n> information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the\n> angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s),\n> possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp\n> current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I\n> would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required.\n> \n> Has anyone done something like this?\n>\nWhy don't you just run one LED at 60 KHz and use a flip flop at the receiving\nend to divide by 2 and give you a good square 30KHz signal.\nJust a thought.\nLORI\n \n> Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca\n> (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6\n-- \n<<<RED FISHY WINS>>>\nLori Gardi\t\t\t\t(519) 661-2111 ext 8695\nDept. of Astronomy,\t\t\tlgardi@uwovax.uwo.ca\nUniversity of Western Ontario\nLondon, ON, CANADA, N6A 3K7\n",
"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)\nSubject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 44\n\namehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:\n\n>In article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n>>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:\n>>\n>>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky\n>>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including\n>>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what?\n>>\n>>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery \n>>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe\n>>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians\n>>in a military bunker. \n>>\n>>Ed.\n\n>Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you\n>are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you\n>are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The\n>bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is\n>very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only\n>policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in\n>the middle east!\n\nWhat the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat\nto look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation'\nbeen published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs,\nspecifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My\nbrain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and \nmake Israeli policy for them!\n\n>I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering.\n>Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet\n>I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.\n\nYeah, yeah, yeah. We all suffer. It's too bad that civilians get killed but\nI will blame their Arab leaders who put them in positions of danger before I\nwill blame the Israelis. Just like Palestinians who send their children into\nwarzones to throw rocks at armed Israeli soldiers. What irresponsible parents!\nAs Golda Meir said, peace will only come when the Arabs start loving their\nchildren more than they hate the Jews.\n\nEd.\n\n",
'From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)\nSubject: Re: SSPX schism ?\nOrganization: none\nLines: 138\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.03.06.1993.3836@geneva.rutgers.edu> shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes:\n\n You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I\'m not trying to be\n contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction\n and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions?\n What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that\n Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time?\n This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically\n stood by the Pope.\n\nThe ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church. This\nis the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his\ndeparture from the traditional doctrine of the Church. If commands\nfrom *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be\ndisobeyed.\n\nMy own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major\nway. God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it\nwould be too complex for people to figure out. I don\'t view the\npresent situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated.\nRun through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the\nCatholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast.\n\n It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is\n disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over\n authority and discipline. \n\nThe problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic\nFaith, in my opinion. Most Catholics know about zilch about the\nCatholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring\nbishops. It\'s basically the Reformation part II.\n\nThere is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the\nshards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the\nCatholic hierarchy. I could go on listing shocking things for an\nhour, probably.\n\nTake the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example. I\'m reading a book\non what happened there after Vatican Council II. The bishop, Antonio\nde Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the\nwake of Vatican II. He kept the traditional Mass, the same old\ncatechisms, etc. He made sure the people knew their faith, the\nCatholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc. He\ninnoculated the people against what was coming.\n\nWell, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement. It came\nwhen the Pope was sick. Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope\nrecovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really\nwanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence.\nThe Pope confirmed the decision. So the good bishop retired.\n\nThe injustice that followed was completely incredible. A new bishop\nwas installed. He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer\'s\nclergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New\nMass. The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass.\nThe people would promptly walk out of the church en masse. The bishop\nwas *enraged* by this. He usually resorted to enlisting the help of\nthe secular authorities to eject the priest from the church. The\npriests would just start building new churches; the people were\ncompletely behind them. The old parishes had the New Mass, as the\nbishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners.\n\nThe prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to\ncanon law. No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the\ntraditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V.\nNor is there any obligation to say the New Mass.\n\nDuring all this process, the people of Campos, not just private\nindividuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending\npetitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist\nbishop. NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome.\nEventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people.\n\n My question to the supporters of SSPX is this:\n\n\t Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms\n\t could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that\n\t the Pope\'s position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX\n\t don\'t jointly make such choice.)\n\n If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority.\n If I adopt the view that "I\'m NOT wrong, I CAN\'T be wrong, and\n there\'s NO WAY I\'ll change my mind, YOU must change yours", that\n I\'ve either left the Catholic Church or it has left me.\n\nIf the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end\nof the controversy. That process is all very well understood in\nCatholic theology, and anyone who doesn\'t go along with it is an\ninstant non-Catholic.\n\nThe problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in\nthe Catholic world. If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are\ndoing, they would be shocked!\n\n We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the "real"\n traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter\n East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years.\n\nThis isn\'t the case in the Catholic Church. There is a massive body\nof traditional teaching. The Popes of the last 150 years are\nespecially relevant. There is no question at all what the traditional\ndoctrine is.\n\n I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow\n error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.`\n I may be wrong here, I\'m not Roman Catholic. :-)\n\nThat\'s heresy, more or less. Although they have done a great job\nsince the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors\nspread that it\'s pitiful.\n\nInfallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole. In the\nshort term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray. In\nfact, that\'s what usually happens during a major heresy: large\nsections of the Church go astray. (The Pope historically has been\nmuch more reliable.) Everything will always come back in the long\nrun.\n\n What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement\n regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how\n do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility?\n Again, I\'m not trying to be contentions, I\'m trying to understand.\n Since I\'m Orthodox, I\'ve got no real vested interest in the outcome,\n one way or the other.\n\nYes, it would be honored. Infallibility is infallibility. But what\nis he going to define? That the New Mass is a better expression of\nthe Catholic Faith than the old? That sex education in the Catholic\nschools is wonderful? That all religions are wonderful except for\nthat professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II?\n\n It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the\n Pope\'s commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope.\n\nNot really; start studying the major Catholic theologians of the last\n300 years. Everything is very well spelled out. The West excels at\ncritical thought, remember? That\'s what Catholic theologians have\nbeen busy at for centuries.\n',
'From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)\nSubject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article\nArticle-I.D.: prcrs.5914\nOrganization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA\nLines: 31\n\n\n <jlp.733424226@wink>, jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:\n> \n> Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member\n> of the non-motorcycling public and they\'ll buy right into it.\n> \n> Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless\n> riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles.\n> It\'s just a matter of degree.\n\nThat\'s absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor\nof seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles. Any argument\nfor lifeguards is an argument against swimming. It says that any agrgument\nin favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to \nwhich the precautions apply. Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous,\nthere wouldn\'t be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is\na non-seqitur.\n\nAlso, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail,\njetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike,\nskate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire\nthe basement, operate heavy machinery, and do a host of other \'dangerous\'\nthings that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban.\nYour little homily applies to all those things, and the general public\nbuying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity\nwould be next is unlikely.\n\n-- \n | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Donuts! Is there anything they |\n | DoD# 541 Diviner of Dreams | can\'t do? " Homer |\n | HIFI# 2 | |\n',
"From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen)\nSubject: Re: Pens Info needed\nNntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi\nOrganization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.171319.13467@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes:\n>\n>>Coaching news: \n>>\t Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks \n>Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda\n>hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any\n>of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov?\n\nThe first time I heard this piece of news was on the post game radio\ninterview here in Jyvaskyla. That was the bronze medal game in the \nSM-liiga which Tichonov's team Porin Assat (the Aces of town Pori:)\nlost. Vasili, the son of Victor Tichonov (the famous Soviet coach),\nsaid that for a long time the Sharks have been persuading him to\ntake the assistant coach post. But he wants to be the head coach where\never he goes. He definitely won't be coaching Assat anymore (after\nthree? seasons). I don't know why.\n\nVasili is a good coach I believe. Assat was a good team, produced many\nplayers to our national team. Assat wasn't a skilled team (IMHO) but\nthey had the fighting spirit. After all, they butchered Jokerit in the\nplayoffs and gave hard time to TPS, the champs. But Assat wasn't\nconsistent, only when they were in the right mood they could beat any\nteam in the SM-liiga.\n\nI am not 100% sure about the deal with the Sharks. As I said, he wants\nto be the head coach. But he and the Sharks are going to negotiate and\ndecide during the WC. I doubt that he will be the head coach but\nmaybe they'll do some compromise.\n\nCould somebody post more information about Vasili? I know he was coaching\nin the former Soviet league; teams, results? His character as a coach?\n\n",
'From: karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination)\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\nNntp-Posting-Host: scsu1.ctstateu.edu\nOrganization: Southern Connecticut State University, New Haven\nLines: 35\n\n\n\tOk. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was\ntorched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5\nyears ago in Instanbul.\n\tWhat about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they\nare not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has\nturned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too.\n\tWhat about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta,\nwhat you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod\nlanguage, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised?\n\tBefore we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting\nArgic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it\nis a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless.\n\tIf Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they\nelected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government?\nHow come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education?\nDo the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right\nto shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those\nprivileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university,\nsome poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat.\n\tBTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I\'d like to read some\nof his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote "On the mountains of\nTayros." ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am\ninterested in finding more books from these two people.\n\t\n\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\nYeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else\'s but\nAngelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$%\nLive long & Prosper | NO CARRIER\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n> Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner <\n> whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole <\n> messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech <\n> and don\'t send me anything. <\n',
"From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: rs43873.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of\n|> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading\n|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5\n|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts\n|> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum\n|> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?\n|> Just curious.\n|> \n|> \n|> Daemon\n|> \n\n I agree with you.\n\n--------------------------------------\nRaist New A1200 owner 320<->1280 in x, 200<->600 in y\nin 256,000+ colors from a 24-bit palette. **I LOVE IT!**<- New Low Fat .sig\n*don't e-mail me* -> I don't have a valid address nor can I send e-mail\n\n \n",
'From: a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper)\nSubject: Re: SHO and SC\nNntp-Posting-Host: sun278.dseg.ti.com\nOrganization: Forest Lane Design Center\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:\n>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:\n>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:\n>>>\n>\n>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is\n>beyond me; if you can\'t handle a stick, you should stick with a\n>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to\n>say that there aren\'t real drivers who can\'t use the stick (eg\n>disabled persons), but they aren\'t in any position to use an\n>SHO anyway. \n>\n>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic\n>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l\n>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we\'d cut down on the number of\n>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,\n>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.\n>\n>\t\t\t\tJames\n>\nI have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto\nw/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned\nfor their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live \nin the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic \nhere. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be\nmore fun. \n\nSafety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be \nshifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.\nPerformance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0\nCamaro w/ a five speed. \n\nAll of this IMHO... :)\n\n\n\n\n-- \n* Robert L. Loper * - Infinity is a notion best contemplated *\n* ROBERTLL@FLOPN2.dseg.ti.com * in a warm bed. *\n* Texas Instruments, Inc. * - My opinions are my own, not TI\'s. *\n',
'From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel)\nSubject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210\nArticle-I.D.: agate.1qo9c6$8oj\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\njmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:\n\n>Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if\n>they want to go at least 9600 baud)?\n\n>Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason\n>I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from\n>wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get\n>a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud.\n\nYou\'re not going to like this, but if memory serves me, postings\nI\'ve read in this newsgroup and elsewhere indicate that there are\nno, repeat no, internal modems for the Duo besides the Express\nModem... at _any_ speed. Something having to do with the modem\nusing the main CPU for some of its tasks, and Apple not releasing\ndetails on the architecture, or something. I\'m vague on the\ndetails, but the gist was that there are going to be no\nthird-party internal Duo modems. If I\'m wrong, somebody please\ncorrect me on this. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.\n\nJoel\n\n-- \nJoel Siegel <jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu>\n"I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is: I\nonly know that I am called a feminist whenever I express\nsentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." -Rebecca West, 1913\n',
'From: dwayne@stratsft.uucp (Dwayne Bailey)\nSubject: Need help identifying Serial board\nOrganization: Strategic Software, Redford, Michigan\nLines: 26\n\nI need some help with a multi port serial board of unknown origin. I\'m\nhoping someone knows what this board is, or, even better, what the various\nswitches and jumbers are used for.\n\nAnyway, here\'s description of the card: It is a 16-bit card, although\nI noticed that none of the contacts in the 16-bit extension are connected\nto anything. It has 4 NS16550AN chips in sockets, and 4 corresponding\nconnecters labeled COM1 - COM4. There is also an external female connector\nwith 37 pins. There are 8 banks of 8 switches, 2 banks of 4 switches, and\n7 jumpers. I believe that I have determined, by following traces, that\nSW5 and SW6 (12 switches in all) control the interrupt level for each of\nthe COM ports. SW5[1-4] are for IRQ3, SW5[5-8] are for IRQ4, and SW6[1-4]\nare for IRQ5. The other switches are beyond my meager ability to follow.\n\t \nThe only identification printed on the board is "MULTI SERIAL PORT BOARD"\nacross the bottom. There is a box for serial number, but it is blank.\nImmediately below the words "SERIAL NO", but not in the box left for\nthe S/N, are the numbers "1990 2 8".\n\nAnyone have any clues? Your help is greatly appreciated.\n\n-- \ndwayne@stratsft.UUCP + "We have ways to make you scream." \nDwayne Bailey + -- Intel advertisement,\nStrategic Software + in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal\nRedford, Michigan + \n',
'From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)\nSubject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL\nOrganization: California State University Sacramento\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> <BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> writes:\n>The trackbal on my PB140 no longer moves in the horizontal direction. When I\n>called the nearest Authorized Apple Service person I was told that it probably\n>needed replacing and that would cost me over $150! Ouch!\n> Can anyone recommend a less expensive way to fix this problem? One strange\n>symptom of the problem is that when I take the ball out of the socket and shine\n>a light into the hole I can make the cursor move horizontally by moving the\n>wheel with my finger, it works fine that way but won\'t work if I turn off the\n>light. Any suggestions or comments?\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Ben Roy .......just a poor college student.......internet<br4416a@american.edu>\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nBen,\n\nSince you\'re obviously adept enough to understand how the trackball works,\nthe only thing short of repairing it that I can think of is a thorough\ncleaning of all the parts, and then checking for the proper placement of\nthe little blue rollers. Since they aren\'t fixed in position on their\nstainless steel pins, you might try sliding them into a slightly different\nposition. On my PowerBook 100, I can slide them almost completely out of\ncontact with the trackball. In fact, one of the notes from sumex on fixing\nthe trackball advocates sliding the roller so that its _edge_ contacts the\nball, not the center cylindrical area.\n\nI\'ve done this with my PB100, and it does seem to improve the feel, but\nneeds to be adjusted from time to time. I just popped open one of our\noffice\'s PB170s, and while there isn\'t as much latitude for movement, one\ncould still adjust the roller slightly. If your PB140 is the same it might\nhelp.\n\nI would suspect the most likely culprit to be a slippery blue roller. If\nyou can take it out, clean it with a mild soapy solution, or isopropyl \nalcohol. Also, be sure the ball is grease-free.\n\nIf you drop the ball in minus the retaining ring, roll the ball and see\nif it is actually causing the axle to spin. \n\nIf all this still doesn\'t solve it, then maybe a new one is in order. :-(\nIt could be an electrical connection, in which case replacement would be\nnecessary. But my experience with both mice and trackballs has been that\ndirt has been the normal problem, not an electrical malfunction.\n\nHope this helps,\n\nMurray\n \n\n-- \nMurray M. Altheim "Ils ont l\'orteil de Bouc, & d\'un Chevreil l\'oreille,\nInstructional Consultant La corne d\'un Chamois, & la face vermeille\nCSU, Sacramento Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict\naltheimm@csus.edu Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d\'une eau qui bruict."\n',
"From: disham@cymbal.calpoly.edu (David Isham)\nSubject: Cobra 146GTL SSB/CB FOR SALE!\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 13\n\nWell, I have it forsale again (the last deal didn't work out) and I lowered\nthe price again! \n\nCobra 146 GTL Single side band w/mike --> $75 or best offer!\n\n\ndave\n\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cal Poly, \t\tLife, Liberty, and the\nSLO, CA 93401\t\tPursuit of Land Speed Records.\n\t\t\t\t-Autobahn Commuters\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nSummary: Limited governments versus failed governments\nOrganization: Just a Boomer, Inc.\nLines: 49\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <16APR199317110543@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>\n>> \n>:This is a strawman argument and fails on several grounds. In this case,\n>:"limited" and "big" government are not defined. I would point out that\n>:Lebanon, Somalia, and the former Yugoslavia are by some definitions nations\n>:with "limited" government, while the US, Canada, and nations in Western \n>:Europe (where "people would rather live") are often pointed out as \n>:nations with "big government" from a libertarian point of view. \n>\n>Well, let me help by explaining the difference between a linited government\n>and a failed government. A limited government has its powers clearly\n>circumscribed, but is fully capable of enforcing its decisions within\n>those circumscribed areas. A failed government is incapable of\n>enforcing its decisions except sporadicly. Two completely different beasts.\n\nOf course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government\npower (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the \ninterest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using \ngovernment power for their own ends. But apart from that little \nconundrum...\n\nIt would seem that a society with a "failed" government would be an ideal\nsetting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose\nthat never seems to occur?...\n>\n>> \n>:The argument is not between those who want "limited" government and those\n>:who want "unlimited" government. It is between those who believe\n>:government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and\n>:those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical \n>:grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds.\n>\n>\n>..."regulation" is such a vauge word... \n\nI wouldn\'t call it "vague." I\'d call it elastic. All "regulation" is \nnot necessarily the same. By opposing all government regulation, some \nlibertarians treat every system from a command economy to those that\nregulate relatively free markets as identical. That\'s one reason\nmany of the rest of us find their analysis to be simplistic. \n\njsh\n>Mr. Grinch\n--\nSteve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM \n"One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n',
'From: stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith)\nSubject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians\nOrganization: University of Missouri\nLines: 63\n\nIn <Apr.22.00.55.06.1993.2048@geneva.rutgers.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) writes:\n\n>In article <Apr.20.03.02.42.1993.3815@geneva.rutgers.edu>,\n>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote:\n>>\n>>\n>> I think it\'s really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere\n>> man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet.\n\n>I\'ll pose a question here that\'s got me thinking: what distinguishes\n>"true" religion from cults (I\'m speaking generally here, not specifially\n>about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on \n>Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that\n>true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person.\n>But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity\n>IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the\n>Branch Davidian "cult" from the Presbyterian "church"? Doctrinal\n>differences don\'t answer the question, IMHO, so don\'t use them as\n>an answer.\n\n\nAs far as I can see, one of the big differences between Davidians and\nChristians is in who they follow. I have sometimes tried to put myself\nin the feet of one of Jesus\'s disciples. Basically, they gave up a\nlot --- career, possibly family, and well, a whole bunch, to follow\nJesus.\n\nSo what is the difference? It is quite plain. Jesus was good and\nDavid Koresh was not.\n\nThe problem is, I think, is that we try to legislate what is good\nand what is bad in terms of principles. For instance, there are thousands of \nlaws in the U.S. governing what is legal and what is not. Often, it is hard\nto bring people to justice, because it is not possible to find\na legal way to do it. If only we could trust judges to be just,\nthen we could tell them to administer justice fairly, and justice\nwould be followed. But since judges don\'t always get it right,\nwe have a complicated system involving precedent and bunches\nof other stuff which attempt to make the imperfect (the justice\nof man) into something perfect. But what I hear about the justice\nsystem in the U.S. tells me that quite the opposite is true.\n\nThere is also a problem that we tend to judge the presentation\nmore than the material being presented. So we might consider \na ranting Christian to be bad, but an eloquent person from another\nreligion to be good. This goes along with the American desire\nto protect the Constitution at all costs, even if it allows\npeople to do bad things. \n\nI think that it is the message that is important. If a man is\npresenting a false message, even if he is ever ever so mild mannered,\nthen that man is performing a tremendous disservice.\n\nI know that I am rambling here. I guess that what I am trying to\nsay is that we shouldn\'t be looking for principles that tell us\nwhy the Davidians got it wrong. It is not wrong to follow and\nworship a person. But it is important to choose the right person.\nIt is simple. Choose Jesus, and you got it right. Choose\nanyone else, and you got it wrong. Why? Because Jesus is the\nbegotten son of God, and nobody else is. Jesus was without sin, and\nnobody else was.\n\nStephen\n',
'From: tim@hssc.scarolina.edu (Tim White)\nSubject: Re: X11 load on the Network\nOrganization: USC Department of Computer Science\nLines: 18\n\nbkline%occs.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline) writes:\n\n>Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily\n>formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate\n>for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps \n>over telnet? Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard\n>input a line at a time? Can the X client control this, asking for\n>keystrokes immediately? Thanks in advance for any feedback!\n\n\n Ncd has an excellent document titled "Host Loading Considerations in the X \n environment". I received my copy by emailing support@ncd.com. This may\n help out.\n--\n==============================================================================\nTim White\t\t\t\t University of South Carolina\ntim@otis.hssc.scarolina.edu\t Humanities and Social Sciences Laboratory\n(803)-777-7840 \t\t \t\t Columbia, S.C. 29208\n',
'From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits)\nSubject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <Apr.22.00.57.03.1993.2118@geneva.rutgers.edu>, jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) writes:\n> Hey...\n> \n> I may be wrong, but wasn\'t Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He\'s a\n> MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and\n> he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the\n> gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he\n> was in a similar band if it wasn\'t that particular group...\n> \n\nJeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath.\nHe was never ever a musician in the band. He was in St. Louis several\nmonths back. The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent\nreally turned me off. It was addressed to all "Homosexuals, prostitutes,\ndrug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..." or something like that.\n\nWell, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I\nwould have felt a little pre-judged. As a Orthodox Christian, and\na "headbanger" I was slightly insulted at being lumped together with\ndrug addicts and alcoholics. Oh yes, I suppose since I drink a good\nGerman beer now and then that makes me an alcoholic. NOT!\n\n\n--\nSteven C. Salaris We\'re...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew\nsalaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because\n\t\t\t\t we have ideas. We have a philosophy.\n\t\t\t\t\t Geoff Tate -- Queensryche\n',
"From: ayim@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim)\nSubject: Re: Blackhawks win!!! \nLines: 15 \nOrganization: University of Waterloo\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:\n> The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the\n> Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the\n> Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against\n> the Wings. \n> \n> Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!!\n> \n> GO HAWKS!!!\n> \n> JB\n\nBut I gotta tell ya,\n\nIf the Hawks can't beat the Blues in a game that\nIS significant I can't wait to see how the Blues\nmight do against Toronto ;)\n\nBTW, if you think that the Hawks deserved to win that game\nI think you were not watching the same one everyone else\nwas.\n\nROAR'IN LEAF FAN\n-- \n****************************************** \n* Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim * \n* 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) * \n* University of Waterloo, Canada. * \n* E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu * \n*****************************************************************************\n",
'Subject: IDE Cable\nFrom: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU\nReply-To: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU\nOrganization: Cal State Northridge\nLines: 12\n\nI just bought a new IDE hard drive for my system to go with the one\nI already had. My problem is this. My system only had a IDE cable\nfor one drive, so I had to buy cable with two drive connectors\non it, and consequently have to switch cables. The problem is, \nthe new hard drive\'s manual refers to matching pin 1 on the cable\nwith both pin 1 on the drive itself and pin 1 on the IDE card. But\nfor the life of me I cannot figure out how to tell which way to plug\nin the cable to align these. \nSecondly, the cable has like a connector at two ends and one between them.\nI figure one end goes in the controler and then the other two go into\nthe drives. Does it matter which I plug into the "master" drive\nand which into the "Slave"? any help appreciated. thanks...\n',
"From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel)\nSubject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms\nArticle-I.D.: news.1993Apr06.090626.21880\nOrganization: Mentor Graphics\nLines: 14\nOriginator: drickel@bounce\nNntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com\n\n\nIn article <C512wC.B0M.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:\n|> Oh, and the other advantage is that you don't have shit constants like\n|> 32.??? hanging around.\n\nNo, instead you have stupid things like 3600 and 86400 and 31556925.9747 and\n299792.458 and 9.80665 and ...\n\nHow many cc's in a ml anyway? The metric system has its problems, just not\nas many of them.\n\n\ndavid rickel\ndrickel@sjc.mentorg.com\n",
"From: jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman)\nSubject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth, film at 11\nOrganization: The Zets at the University of Pittsburgh (aka The Pitt)\nLines: 17\n\n\nI have also heard about HCI claiming thant anyone they get an address\nfrom is a member. If this is the case their membership rolls are\ngrossly inflated and we should not call them and give them a name\nand address to add to their already false rolls. Perhaps\nif you could get a copy of their existing membership, then pretend to\nbe an existing member, do that several thousand times, you could\nhurt HCI. But names are power. Remeber the NRA uses the fact\nthat it has 3 million paid members in order to flex its muscles.\n\nPerhaps politicians don't realize the lying tactics of HCI, wait a\nminute, HCI learned it from politicians....\n\nLater,\nJosh\n\n\n",
'From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi)\nSubject: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nOrganization: NC State University\nLines: 13\n\n\n\tI have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode \n\t(normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode\n\tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a \n\tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You\'ll have to \n\texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n\tMS Windows world.\n\n\tThanks.\n\n\t(Please include this message for reference)\n\t====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========\n\t\t\t\t\t\t (919)515-8063 (W)\n',
"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 38\n\n\nIn article 20009@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:\n\n>>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment.\n>>He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you\n>>ever watch him play? He never made a technical error.\n>\n>I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that\n>includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as\n>Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey\n>with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey.\n>\n>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about \n>the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa\n>Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek\n>Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri\n>Richard, Dick Duff...and so on...\n\nThese players all are pretty good players. They are the depth that the\ndynasties had to win Stanley Cups. They tend to be the very good second\nline guys- who would be first liners on most weaker clubs in the NHL.\nThey were all important to their clubs. Probably, several of these\nStanley Cup winning teams would not have won the cups they did if it\nwere not for the depth provided by these players.\n\nThey compare to Rick Tocchet and Ron Francis of the Penguins. Very good\nplayers who can lead lesser teams (Francis-Hartford, Tocchet-Philly) who\nprovide the depth to the team that is currently best in the NHL.\n\nAs a defensive forward, there have been none better than Bob Gainey. That\ndoesn't mean he was the best player (or even the best forward) the Canadians\nhad at that time, but he was excellent at what he did. Gainey could\ndominate games with his defence. He didn't need to get goals to dominate.\nHe shut down the opposition and was thus valuable. There has never been\nanyone any better at doing this. Not ever.\n\nGregmeister\n",
"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)\nSubject: Re: More technical details\nOrganization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH\nLines: 120\n\nHmm, followup on my own posting... Well, who cares.\n\nFirst let me try to work out the facts that we get to know about the\nClipper-Chip, from what Hellman and Denning were able to tell us:\n\nThe chip itself is not confined to (digital) telephony, but performs\ngeneral encryption in a symmetric manner. The chip supports CFB OFB\nECB (and whatever the fourth mode of operation for DES is), the algorithm\nconsists of 32 rounds of *whatever*, and takes 80-Bit keys. Input data\nseems to be 64 Bit? Yes.\nSo if two people want secure communication (whatever that means when \nClipper is involved) they have first to agree on ONE secret key. \n(Or is it one key per direction ?)\nThey can exchange this key via DH-schemes or however.\nSomehow the two feed their so won secret key into the Clipper-chip\nwhich is now ready to work.\nThe clipper chip carries an unique Serial-Number (30 Bit's), and 160 Key-Bits.\nThese 160 key-bits seem to have been gained by encrypting the serial-number\nwith 160 seed-bits. (The seed-bits seem not to be stored in the chip)\nAt beginning of communication (and perhaps at certain invtervals whithin??)\nbefore sending the fist real 64-bit output of the first encryption the Clipper\nchip put's out packets (I guess 3) which represent the serial number,\nand the session key. This might look like\nX{ E[K; chipkeyK1+K2], serial number}\nwhere X is a transformation of these 3? Packets involving a family-key.\nThis family(sp?)-key is equal for ALL chips. (X might be a simple XOR ???)\nAfter that, the (digital?) phone-call can be done as usual, every packet\nbeing encrypted and decrypted by Clipper.\n\nDenning describes how K1 and K2 shall be generated, using a seed of 160\nBit's.\n\nNow, leaving alone politics, which does not concern me as much as you, not\nbeing an American Citicien(tm) [ :-) ] , there are some weak points in this\nscheme, which might be exploited by several parties.\n\nAs far as I know about the generation of K1,K2 ; S1 and S2 look like the \nobvious backdoor. They could be used to generate the chip-keys by knowing\nthe serial-number (and also the family-key) of the chip. I really can't\nimagine why these seeds would be needed otherwise, as true random-sources\nfor the generation of the K1,K2 can be bought for not to much money.\n\nThen, the escrows. Each of them will get 80 bit of a 160-Bit key. Security\ncould (as little as existant) be maximized by giving them 160-bits\neach, which have to be xored together to give the K1,K2. Now let's simply\nassume the escrows are trustworthy, and can't be fooled by criminals or\nlaw enforchemnt agencies. (And there will be no quarrel between escrows\nand l.e.a which would hinder the l.e.a in doing their duties, and so on\nand so on) Once the keys are surrendered, the corresponding\nchip is compromised forever. Not very clever, IMHO [ :-)) ].\nHow about sending in the encrypted session-keys for each phone-call that\nthe police (or whoever) want's to listen to? Escrows could then simply decode\nthis session-key and send it back to police. (And would naturally not do this\nafter the warrant has expired...) This would be a better technical solution,\nbut I guess politics will not work that way.\n\nApparently (as Miss Dennings stated) the only one performing actually decodes\nof intercepted messages shall be the FBI. Great. So local guys can not inter-\ncept (understand) your traffic anymore. Does this mean that the FBI monopolizes\nthe right to do legal wiretaps ? (How is law over there, I have no idea who\nis allowed to tap, and who not) This certainly means that watched communi-\ncations will be routed automatically from the service-providing company\nto the FBI, if the communicaiton is a watched one. And this means as far\nas I understand it that the family-key has to be known by each switching-\ncompany, and those providing cellular-phone servies etcetc. So the family-key\nwill not be very secret, and thus serial-numbers of calls will be readable\nby anybody who cares. I _like_ traffic-analysis!\n\nWhat do you guess, what happens, if you use the chip in ECB mode, and the\nfirst few packets of the chip are somehow lost or garbled? So the session\nkey would not be actually broadcasted over the line? Hmmm. Shouldn't be so\ndifficult to do *that* :^)\n\nAnd now a last point, for the other side. After all I have read and heard about\nClipper (not the programming language for dBase, is it ? [:-)]) it seems\nto have many advantages, which shold not be overseen!\n\n\nNow an afterthought to your rights. Please note that I have no idea what I am\ntalking about!!!\n\nFrom: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221)\n> Amendment 1 \n> \n> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or\n>prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,\n>or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to \n>petition the Government for a redress of grievances.\n\nIf this text is actually in your Bill of Rights, who can overrule this ?\nBut: 'Freedom of speech' is not 'Secrecy of speech'\n\nMaybe you need to extend your Amendment #4 to cover information and\ncommunication too ?\n\nI am not very sure in what position your government actually is *legally*\nwhen it tries to ban cryptography (and arms) Amendment say you may have them,\nbut not under what conditions. Hmm, tricky situation :-(\n\nActually it will make not much sense to discuss that topic in sci.crypt...\nDiscussion of technical details and vulnerabilites of the system are highly\nsuggested and appreciated :-)\n\nFriendly greetings,\n\n\tGermano Caronni\n\n\nDISCLAIMER: Everything in here is derived from things I heard and read from\nother persons, so everything could be wrong. All opinions and thoughts in here\nare mine, and subject to change without further notification. No warranty,\nneither implicit not explicit etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam.\n\np.s. Please don't ask me about political opinions, as I might not bother to re-\n ply. (For further information read the last line of P. Metzgers signature)\n-- \nInstruments register only through things they're designed to register.\nSpace still contains infinite unknowns.\n PGP-Key-ID:341027\nGermano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F\n",
'From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller)\nSubject: Re: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE )\nNntp-Posting-Host: irlsp\nOrganization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.174304.26360@ra.msstate.edu> fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:\n>muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:\n>>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:\n>>>>\n>>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. \n>>>\n>>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........\n>>\n>>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s\n>>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the \n>>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.\n>\n>I do read Av Week and don\'t remember this. Could you supply the date\n>of the magazine? \n\nAviation Week March 15 1993 p.48\n\n"the CBO estimates that matching the capability of 100 C-17s would\nrequire 70 C-5s at a total cost of $14.4 billion. This option is still\nmore than $10 billion cheaper than completing the C-17 program, which\nthe CBO estimates will cost $24.7 billion."\n\nSorry, I was nine billion off. The C-5s would be ten billion cheaper.\n> As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can\'t carry as much\n>but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which\n>there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends\n>on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now,\n>I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many \n>people are out of work. \n>\nWell, California voted overwhelmingly for change, right?\nThe argument to continue military programs just to support jobs is\na poor one. It\'s kept quite a few bases open that should have been closed\nyears ago, wasting billions of taxes.\n\n>>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\n>>a pork happy Congress.\n>>\n>>-- Marc Mueller\n>\n>Huh? Shouldn\'t that read "The question is whether a social-pork happy\n>Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy\n>Congress."\n>\n>fpa\n>\n\n-- Marc Mueller\n',
"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: army in space\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\nThere is the Army Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.\n\nThey were the precursors to SDIO. and still exist under\nthat umbrella. Army Signal Corp's and DCA defense Comm Agency\noops DISA, they just changed names do space work. that's\nthe point of all those defense comm sats. \n\nBut don't worry, there are lots of jobs that need ditch digging,\nsomehow you'll end up there ;-)\n",
"From: mallen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Allen)\nSubject: Amiga's for sale\nKeywords: Amiga\nDistribution: pa\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\nFor Sale:\n\n\t2 Amigas!\n\n\tCommodore Amiga 1000\tBest offer\n\t512k Ram\n\t1 Internal Floppy drive\n\tDetachable Keyboard\n\t2 Button Mouse\n\n\tCommodore Amiga 500\tBest offer\n\t1024k Ram\n\t1 Internal Floppy drive\t\n\t2 Button Mouse\n\n\t1 RGB Monitor\t\tBest offer\n\t1 External Floppy drive\tBest offer\n\n\tCall Brian Dickman at (717)872-1719 or send e-mail to dickman_con@huey.\nmillersv.edu.\n",
'From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca\nSubject: European expansion and our f*cked system\nOrganization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada\nLines: 36\n\nEveryone keeps talking about European expansion by 2010 thinking\nwishful thoughts, but being totally off the ball.\n\nThe league format we use here is incompatible with that in Europe.\n(for those that don\'t know, the best teams from lower divisions get\npromoted and the worst get demoted).\n\nWould European fans put up with our "if you\'ve paid, you can play" \nattitude??\n\nHow long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based \ncorporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don\'t need a good\nproduct because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa\'s\nrecord every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)).\n\nIf hockey (and other pro sports) had a similar system to Europe, maybe\nteams like the Rangers would be forced to compete (or get demoted the fourth \ndivision). We\'d have many more teams...centres that aren\'t as big (like\nHalifax or Adirondack....ok, so Halifax isn\'t a good example) would \neventually get promoted, and every team would be somewhat competetive within\nits own division (unlike Ottawa, SJ, Edmonton, etc.). Fans would eventually\nget rewarded for their loyalty (or penalized for their neglect), and the\nleague would be more interesting and dynamic every year because of the influx\nof newly promoted teams (and the Halifax Citadels win the Stanley Cup...I can\ndream, can\'t I??)\n\nLook at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan\nproblems).\n\nJust someone who thinks our system really sucks\n\nBarfly\n\n(feel free to flame me, my account ends today...hahahaha)\n\n1940!!\n',
'From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)\nSubject: 1.44Mb F/D WANTED\nOrganization: The University of Western Australia\nLines: 2\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nSubject says it all. Please email soon. \nskcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au\n',
'From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford)\nSubject: ATI Ultra Pro Confirmation\nReply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca\nOrganization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 25\n\nI have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have\nbeen positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm\nthese? (I am interested in the EISA version in particular).\n\n1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM.\n\n2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches\n set but it is much slower.\n\n3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes.\n\n4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many\n cases.\n\n5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money.\n\n6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-)\n\nThanks for your feedback. I will summarize.\n\nAl\n\n-- \nAlan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655\naew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew \n',
"From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)\nSubject: Re: Kevin Rogers\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 14\n\n>/ hpcc01:rec.sport.baseball / pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu / 12:23 pm Apr 14, 1993 /\n>\n>What's up with Kevin Rogers of San Francisco?? I thought he was slated to be\n>the fifth starter, but he's only gotten a few relief appearences. Are they\n>going with four starters for now, or is someone else the fifth?\n>\n> Thanks,\n> P. Tierney\n>----------\n>\nGiant's have a five man rotation of John Burkett, Trevor Wilson,\nBill Swift, Jeff Brantley, and Bud Black/Dave Burba. Black has\nbeen put on the 15 day disables and Dave Burba will take his starts.\n\n",
'From: jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson)\nSubject: Re: Point within a polygon\nKeywords: point, polygon\nOrganization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping\nLines: 129\n\nscrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:\n\n>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a \n>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing\n>information on the subject ?\n\nWell, it\'s been a while since this was discussed so i take the liberty of\nreprinting (without permission, so sue me) Eric Haines reprint of the very\ninteresting discussion of this topic...\n\n /Jonas\n\n O / \\ O\n------------------------- X snip snip X ------------------------------\n O \\ / O\n\n"Give a man a fish, and he\'ll eat one day.\nGive a man a fishing rod, and he\'ll laze around fishing and never do anything."\n\nWith that in mind, I reprint (without permission, so sue me) relevant\ninformation posted some years ago on this very problem. Note the early use of\nPostScript technology, predating many of this year\'s papers listed in the\nApril 1st SIGGRAPH Program Announcement posted here a few days ago.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\nIntersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??),\n\tby Dave Baraff, Tom Duff\n\n\tFrom: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu\n\tNewsgroups: comp.graphics\n\tKeywords: P, NP, Jordan curve separation, Ursyhon Metrization Theorem\n\tOrganization: Program of Computer Graphics\n\nIn article [...] ncsmith@ndsuvax.UUCP (Timothy Lyle Smith) writes:\n>\n> I need to find a formula/algorithm to determine if a line intersects\n> a polygon. I would prefer a method that would do this in as little\n> time as possible. I need this for use in a forward raytracing\n> program.\n\nI think that this is a very difficult problem. To start with, lines and\npolygons are semi-algebraic sets which both contain uncountable number of\npoints. Here are a few off-the-cuff ideas.\n\nFirst, we need to check if the line and the polygon are separated. Now, the\nJordan curve separation theorem says that the polygon divides the plane into\nexactly two open (and thus non-compact) regions. Thus, the line lies\ncompletely inside the polygon, the line lies completely outside the polygon,\nor possibly (but this will rarely happen) the line intersects the polyon.\n\nNow, the phrasing of this question says "if a line intersects a polygon", so\nthis is a decision problem. One possibility (the decision model approach) is\nto reduce the question to some other (well known) problem Q, and then try to\nsolve Q. An answer to Q gives an answer to the original decision problem.\n\nIn recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a\nnew language called PostScript. (See "PostScript Language", by Adobe Systems\nIncorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985).\n\nSo, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that\ndraws the line L and the polygon P, and then "outputs" the answer. By\n"output", we mean the program executes a command called "showpage", which\nactually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick\nexamination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus\nthe original problem.\n\nThere are two small problems with this approach. \n\n\t(1) There is an infinite number of ways to encode L and P into the\n\treduced problem Q. So, we will be forced to invoke the Axiom of\n\tChoice (or equivalently, Zorn\'s Lemma). But the use of the Axiom of\n\tChoice is not regarded in a very serious light these days.\n\n\t(2) More importantly, the question arises as to whether or not the\n\tPostScript program Q will actually output a piece of paper; or in\n\tother words, will it halt?\n\n\tNow, PostScript is expressive enough to encode everything that a\n\tTuring Machine might do; thus the halting problem (for PostScript) is\n\tundecidable. It is quite possible that the original problem will turn\n\tout to be undecidable.\n\n\nI won\'t even begin to go into other difficulties, such as aliasing, finite\nprecision and running out of ink, paper or both.\n\nA couple of references might be:\n\n1. Principia Mathematica. Newton, I. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge,\n England. (Sorry, I don\'t have an ISBN# for this).\n\n2. An Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation. Hopcroft, J\n and Ulman, J.\n\n3. The C Programming Language. Kernighan, B and Ritchie, D.\n\n4. A Tale of Two Cities. Dickens, C.\n\n--------\n\nFrom: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff)\nSummary: Overkill.\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ\n\nThe situation is not nearly as bleak as Baraff suggests (he should know\nbetter, he\'s hung around The Labs for long enough). By the well known\nDobbin-Dullman reduction (see J. Dullman & D. Dobbin, J. Comp. Obfusc.\n37,ii: pp. 33-947, lemma 17(a)) line-polygon intersection can be reduced to\nHamiltonian Circuit, without(!) the use of Grobner bases, so LPI (to coin an\nacronym) is probably only NP-complete. Besides, Turing-completeness will no\nlonger be a problem once our Cray-3 is delivered, since it will be able to\ncomplete an infinite loop in 4 milliseconds (with scatter-gather.)\n\n--------\n\nFrom: deb@svax.cs.cornell.edu (David Baraff)\n\nWell, sure its no worse than NP-complete, but that\'s ONLY if you restrict\nyourself to the case where the line satisfies a Lipschitz condition on its\nsecond derivative. (I think there\'s an \'89 SIGGRAPH paper from Caltech that\ndeals with this).\n\n--\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n J o n a s Y n g v e s s o n email: jonas-y@isy.liu.se\nDept. of Electrical Engineering\t voice: +46-(0)13-282162 \nUniversity of Linkoping, Sweden fax : +46-(0)13-139282\n',
"From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)\nSubject: Re: Sales of PowerBook slowing down...\nReply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)\nOrganization: Peirce Software\nLines: 27\nX-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2\n\n\nIn article <martin.733762199@tohi> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), martin@tohi (Jean-francois Martin) writes:\n> First, this is not an April 1 joke.\n> \n> A dealer in my town told me that the PowerBook don't sell as they use to sell.\n> The guy told me that Apple is having the same problem it has when the desktop\n> Mac was too expensive ; the PowerBook are too expensive in comparison to what\n> you can get on the DOS side. What do you think of this? Do you feel the same\n> thing about it? Just curious.\n\nSounds about right.\n\nIf there is high demand for a product there is little incentive to\naggresively cut prices. Once the demand fall off a bit, then is the\ntime to start getting aggressive with pricing. Waiting too long can\nreally hurt your business though :-)\n\nThe PowerBooks have sold very well up to now, if they are slowing\ndown Apple needs to come out with some lower priced versions (the\nonly reason I own a PowerBook is that I could spring for a $900 PB100,\nthe rest of the lineup is way to pricey for me). I'd bet they'll\nbe coming out with more power versions too.\n\n-- Michael Peirce -- peirce@outpost.sf-bay.org\n-- Peirce Software -- Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place\n-- -- San Jose, California USA 95117\n-- Makers of: -- voice: (408) 244-6554 fax: (408) 244-6882\n-- Smoothie -- AppleLink: peirce & America Online: AFC Peirce\n",
'From: mscrap@halcyon.com (Marta Lyall)\nSubject: Re: Video in/out\nOrganization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505\nLines: 29\n\nOrganization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips"\nKeywords: \n\nIn article <628@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) writes:\n>\n>I\'m getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little\n>advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows.\n>I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn\'t work under Windows.\n>What cards should I be looking into?\n>\n>Thanks,\n>Craig\n>\n>-- \n> "To forgive is divine, to be\n>-Craig Williamson an airhead is human."\n> Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas\n> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers\n\n\nCraig,\n\nYou should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the\ntime at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right\ndriver. \n\nJosh West \nemail: mscrap@halcyon.com\n\n',
'From: dbell@coral.bucknell.edu (Dave Bell)\nSubject: I need modem selection help! (especially vocabulary)\nOrganization: Bucknell University\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: macf61.bucknell.edu\n\nI\'ve recently ordered a Centris 650 and need to decide on which modem to\nbuy. I\'m pretty sure I want to get a fax/data modem that can run at 14.4k,\nbut is it worth it? I\'ll primarily only be \'conversing\' over CompuServe or\nsome other link to the Internet, but I\'m not sure if those systems can\nsupply ME with data at 14.4k. Another question I have is in some of the\nmodem lingo out there. I understand baud rates, but what does V3.4 and\nV3.4bis mean? I could really use some suggestions as to what a good modem\nfor around $300 would be, and why it would be a good choice.\n\nThanks for your time.\n\nDave Bell\ndbell@coral.bucknell.edu\n\n"Those who forget the past are condemned to re-live it." --Duncan MacLeod\n',
'From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)\nSubject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase\nOrganization: NYSERNet, Inc.\nLines: 7\n\nWhile one may question the motives of the Arabs who sold land to Jews,\noften while publicly criticizing the sale of land to Jews, it was the\nJews and not the Arabs who were taken advantage of, as the prices the\nJews paid for barren land was many times the price fertile land was\nbeing sold for in the United States at the same time.\n-- \nAlan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org\n',
'From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nArticle-I.D.: armory.1qkon8$3re\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 56\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\nwrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:\n>>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed\n\n>\tOh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.\n>They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon\n>a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.\n\nMy whole point was not to say that the cars *couldn\'t* go that fast,\nbut that they *shouldn\'t* go that fast. A family sedan designed to be\noperable at 85mph doesn\'t suddenly become operable at 130mph because\nyou added some plastic aero effects, slightly wider tires, and a much\nlarger engine. That\'s what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family\nsedan with a powerful engine. They didn\'t even bother improving the\n*brakes.*\n\nThe Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power\nplant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.\nI have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a\nbrick (except when you\'re invoking oversteer, of course, something I\npersonally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is\ninadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of\nthe car is not up to par.\n\nI picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in\nmind. It didn\'t have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much\ncheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these\ncars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them\ndrivable at high speed. This should be elementary.\n\nThere are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought\nit up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe\nthe following to be true:\n\n1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.\n2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than\n they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them\n far more predictable than most US highways.\n3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have\n speed limits that aren\'t out-of-line with what we used to have in\n the US -- if my friends weren\'t lying to me they\'re typically not\n much higher than 120km/h.\n\nI strongly suspect you won\'t find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph\n(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people\nhave no respect for their own lives.\n\n>>You certainly haven\'t convinced me.\n\n>\tOf course not. "Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. \n>I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother." You had your mind made up\n>already.\n\nIf you think so you sure don\'t pay attention to my postings.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n',
"From: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nSubject: Re: Stop putting down white het males.\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nLines: 33\n\nit may be a little late to reply to your tirade and also on an inaapropriate\nboard but along with all of the so called great things the white male has done they have also contributed to society by means of mass genocide, the theft of\nideas and cultures, creating and the perptration of historical lies throughouttime among many other horrible activities.\nbut every culture has its upside and its downside. it seems to me that the \nwhite male (must be extremely ignorant to qualify for the following - if\nyou're not disregard) and western culture are the only things that look to \nactively classify things as good or bad, worthy or unworthy (ya dig)\nit can be seen with slavery and the manipulation and destruction of the \namerican indians civilization. nothing but selfish acts that benefit one \ngroup of people (and not even their women get or got respected or regarded as\nequal - ain't that some stuff)\n\nwhite men - not being specific - but in a lot of cases are just wack or have\nwack conceptions of how the world is to serve their purpose. \n\njust look at david koresh - throughout history (i may be shortsighted on this one so excuse my predjudiced ignorance) only white men associate themselves withbeing GOD. no other culture is ignorant or arrogant enough to assume such a \nposition. and then to manipulate and mislead all those people.\n\nhmmm... i'd say look in your history books but since it seems that history \nhas been written to glorify the exploits of white men you'd only find lies.\n\nawww that's enough already from me because this has nothing to do with sex or this board. if ya'd like to continue this discussion e-mail me and we can \ncompare and contrast ideas\n\n\t\t\ti like conflict - it's educational when the \n\t\t\tcommuncation is good......................\n\nmy $.02 worth\n\n(i apologize to those who thought this was going to be about SEX but i was\nprompted by a response i found up here)\n\ndave lewis - frisky HANDS man\n",
'From: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com (Robert Synoski)\nSubject: 24 bit Graphics cards\nNntp-Posting-Host: parsec\nReply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com\nOrganization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo Florida\nLines: 10\n\nI am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least \n1024x786x24 resolution. I know Matrox has one, but it is very expensive. All the\nother cards I know of, that support that resoultion, are striaght ISA. \n\nAlso are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits?\n\nthanks\n\n\n\n',
"From: M. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nX-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:39:59 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: 130.57.72.65\nOrganization: Novell Inc.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <RMUGELE.93Apr15135857@oasun1.oracle.com> Robert Mugele,\nrmugele@oracle.com writes:\n>Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun\n>and blow you away.\n\nWell, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would\nbe lower than some other vehicles. At least, I would be more likely \nto say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup\ntruck, for example.\n\n- Mark\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966 DoD#0747 \nAlfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\n\t<1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com>\n\t<1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sylvester.cc.utexas.edu\nIn-reply-to: tdawson@engin.umich.edu\'s message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT\n\nIn article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n\n CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in\n CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of\n CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to\n CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this\n CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.\n CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for\n CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?\n CH> Just curious.\n\nI must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups\nalready. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly\ninto one of these categories.\n\nAlso, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga\ngroups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split\nwould not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured\nenvironment.\n\n--\n /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\\n / Michael Nerone \\"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\\\n / Internet Address: \\since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\\\n/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\\to pardon it."-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\\\n',
"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)\nSubject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found?\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario, London\nDistribution: sci\nNntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <STEINLY.93Apr23130246@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:\n>In article <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) writes:\n>\n> In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:\n> >\tIf the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next\n> >one should be called 'Smiley'.\n>\n> Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt\n> object discovered last year, is known as Smiley.\n>\n>As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was\n>Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course,\n>but I think they might let this one slide...\n\n\tGee, I feel so ignorant now...\n\n\tResearch, then post.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJames Nicoll\n\n",
'From: dfitts@carson.u.washington.edu (Douglas Fitts)\nSubject: Re: RA treatment question\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\neulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) writes:\n\n>I\'m assuming that you mean Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA). I\'ve never heard \n>of the "cold treatment" you mentioned. I can\'t imagine how it would \n>work, since most of us who have Rh.Arthr./RA seem to have more problems\n>in cold weather than in warm weather. Would be interested to hear more!\n>Z\n>Z\n\n\nNo, obviously talking about Research Assistants. I favor a high protein,\nlow fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours\nof sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise \nmixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with \nlowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and \nevery three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale\nand free pretzels. Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed \nhas more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm.\n\nDoug Fitts\ndfitts@u.washington.edu\n\n\n\n',
"Subject: CD's For Sale\nFrom: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Cincinnati\nLines: 19\n\nHi!\n\nI have the following 2 CD's for sale. These are absolutely new and in\nthe original packing.\n\nArtist\t\tAlbum\t\t\t\tOriginal\tSale\n\t\t\t\t\t\t Price\t\t Price\n\nMadonna\t\tThe Immaculate Collection \t$19.95+\t\t$11.95\n\nPet Shop Boys\tDiscography\t\t\t$19.95\t\t$11.95\n\nIf you are interested, pls. contact me at:\n\n\t\t\tparikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu\n\nThanks.\n\n-M. Parikh\n",
'From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: Selective Placebo\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 55\n\nJB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:\nJB> \nJB> Ron Roth recommends: "Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the\nJB> proper channels, you might consider the following:..."\nJB> [diet omitted]\nJB> \nJB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be "proper channels"...this sounds suspiciously\n\n I\'m glad it caught your eye. That\'s the purpose of this forum to\n educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase\n is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who\n otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be\n consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing.\n\nJB> like a blood chemistry...glucose tolerance and the like...suddenly chemistry\nJB> exists? You know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble\nJB> and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose...no\nJB> "CONFIRM" any aberrant physiology...but then again...maybe that\'s what you mean"\n\n Muscle testing and hair analysis, eh? So what other fascinating \n space-age medical techniques do you use? Do you sit under a pyramid\n over night as well to shrink your brain back to normal after a mind-\n expanding day at your \'Save the Earth\' clinic?\n\nJB> 2) Were you able to understand Dick King\'s post that "90% of diseases is not thy\nJB> evaluate the statistic you cited from the New England Journal of Medicine. Coul?\n\n Once I figure out what *you* are trying to say, I\'ll still have \n to wrestle with the possibility of you conceivably not being able\n to understand my answer to your question?!\n\nJB> 3) Ron...have you ever thought about why you never post in misc.health.alterna-\nJB> tive...and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained, non-medical, often\nJB> delusional notions of health and disease into this forum? I suspect from your\nJB> apparent anger toward MDs and heteropathic medicine that there may be an\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \n You little psychoanalytical rascal you! Got me all figured out, ja? \n \nJB> underlying \'father problem\'...of course I can CONFIRM this by surrogate muscle\nJB> testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their\nJB> previously weak \'indicator\' muscles strengthens...or do you have reservations\nJB> about my unique methods of diagnosis? [......]\nJB> \nJB> John Badanes, DC, CA\nJB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu\n\n Oh man, when are you going to start teaching all this stuff? I\'ll\n bet everyone on this net must be absolutely dying to learn more about \n going beyond spinal adjustments and head straight for the mind for\n some Freudian subluxation.\n\n --Ron--\n---\n RoseReader 2.00 P003228: In the next world, you\'re on your own.\n RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n',
'Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nFrom: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com\nLines: 60\n\nIn <strnlghtC5nrHw.1qB@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n\n>In article <115863@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:\n\n>>\n>>I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private\n>>sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least\n>>partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any\n>>private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly\n>>evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released)\n>>The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn\'t. There is other hardware out\n>>there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.)\n\n>What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be "the truth" so no\n>flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior\n>corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies.\n\nNo wonder American businesses are going down the tubes! :-|\n\n>I\'d be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if\n>they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to\n>attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and\n>governments to break.\n\n(It\'s NIST, not NSA. NSA is not supposed to have anything to do with this.)\nThey didn\'t say that. They said is was better than some commercial-grade\nencryptions. I, for one, wouldn\'t trust them if they did, unless they\nrelease the algorithm for investigation.\n\n>I\'d be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about\n>the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly\n>satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms).\n\nMaybe the ACLU and EFF. (It would have to be a non-profit, so the big 8\nwould be out.)\n\n>I\'d trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap\n>doors--I\'d be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined\n>the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure.\n\nI wouldn\'t trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but\nI\'m not certain he would be told.\n\n>I\'d trust something from the NSA long before I\'d trust something from some\n>Swiss or anybody Japanese.\n\nThat\'s your problem.\n\n>This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would\n>feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude\n>that the NSA is part of our government and "we support our government", as\n>one very famous CEO put it to me one day.\n\nI want to emphasize the I am not speaking for Beckman Instruments at this\npoint. However, we are an international company, and I would like to think\nthat our customers come first, ahead of our government\'s whims.\n--\nArthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea\n216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)\nMy opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.\n',
'From: 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith)\nSubject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY\nOrganization: Acadia University\nLines: 17\n\nlee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes:\n\n\n>In article <C5spEC.EuC@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes:\n\n>Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the\n>newsgroup header next time before posting!\n\n>Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada \n> lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca \n\n Actually Steve, I think he was refering to the Leafs, and when they can\nbe expected to hit the greens...\n\n-- \n ACADIA AXEMEN! CIAU CHAMPIONS, 1993! \n Donald.Smith@dragon.acadiau.ca \n',
"From: bill_paxton@fourd.com\nSubject: Ajerk\nOrganization: 4th Dimension BBS\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nYou a good case for rights to abortion.\n\n********************************************************************\nSystem: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565\nCute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry\n********************************************************************\n\n",
'Subject: Re: Surviving Large Accelerations?\nFrom: lpham@eis.calstate.edu (Lan Pham)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 25\n\nAmruth Laxman <al26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n> Hi,\n> I was reading through "The Spaceflight Handbook" and somewhere in\n> there the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them\n> when and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to\n> the sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he\n> estimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not\n> be a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published\n> in 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very\n> long-winded but here\'s my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in\n> fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of\n> course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration?\n> Can this be extended to larger accelerations?\n\nare you sure 45g is the right number? as far as i know, pilots are\nblackout in dives that exceed 8g - 9g. 45g seems to be out of human\ntolerance. would anybody clarify this please.\n\nlan\n\n\n> \n> Thanks is advance...\n> -Amruth Laxman\n> \n',
"From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)\nSubject: proposed catcher re-sub rule\nOrganization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973\nLines: 19\n\nA lot of teams carry 3 catchers on their 25 man roster,\nbut the 3rd catcher is seldom ever used. He is only\ninsurance in case of extra innings or the 2nd catcher\nis injured during a game. So to free up this roster\nspot for an extra pinch hitter or reliever, why not\ninvoke a catcher re-substitution rule:\n\nIf the last roster catcher on a team is\ninjured during a game, the team is permitted\nto substitute in his place for defensive purposes\na catcher who has previously been yanked from\nthe game. \n\nGiven this rule, a team wouldn't need 3 roster\ncatchers. The 3rd catcher could be playing\nin AAA or be a non-roster bullpen catcher.\n\nKen\n\n",
"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)\nSubject: Blues steal game 1 from Hawks\nKeywords: Blues, Hull, Shanahan, Joseph, Blackhawks, Belfour\nNntp-Posting-Host: cec1\nOrganization: Washington University, St. Louis MO\nLines: 125\n\n\n The Blues scored two power-play goals in 17 seconds in the third period\nand the beat the Chicago Blackhawks 4-3 Sunday afternoon at Chicago Stadium.\nBrendan Shanahan tied the game 3-3 and Brett Hull scored the game winner 17\nseconds later. Jeff Brown and Denny Felsner scored the other Blues goals.\nBrian Noonan had the hat trick for the Hawks, who also had some very good\ngoaltending from Ed Belfour. Blues goalie Curtis Joseph was solid down the\nstretch to preserve the Blues lead.\n\nThe Hawks came out strong in the first period, outshooting the Blues 6-1 and\ntaking a 1-0 lead on Noonan's first goal. Right after an interference penalty\non Rick Zombo had expired, Keith Brown intercepted a clearing attempt at the\nblue line and passed the puck to Steve Larmer in the right circle. Larmer fired\na long slap shot, and Noonan deflected the puck between Joseph's pads. After\nthe goal, the Blues picked up the intensity and went on to outshoot the Hawks\n10-9 in the first period.\n\nJeff Brown tied the game 1-1 at 3:12 of the second. Nelson Emerson broke in on\nthe left side, got by Craig Muni and pushed the puck across the slot. Belfour\ncame out to play the pass and shoveled it to the right boards, where Brown\ncollected it and slapped it in before Belfour could get back to the goal.\n\nTwo minutes later on a Hawks power play, Belfour stopped Rich Sutter on a\nshort-handed break-in. Chris Chelios picked up the puck and passed it to Jeremy\nRoenick who carried it on right wing and found an open Noonan with a nice pass\nacross the slot. Noonan fired it past Joseph at 5:30 for the 2-1 lead.\n\nNoonan completed his hat trick 3:11 later to increase the Hawks' lead to 3-1.\nStephane Matteau made a nice pass from the right boards to Noonan who beat\nStephane Quintal by driving to the net. Joseph had no chance as Noonan\ndeflected the puck in the net.\n\nDenny Felsner reduced the Blues deficit to 3-1 at 12:49 after picking up the\nrebound of Basil McRae's slap shot from the slot. Janney set up McRae for\nthe shot, and the puck sailed wide of the net and bounced off the end boards\nto Felsner. Felsner sticked the rebound into the partially open net. The Blues\noutshot the Hawks 10-5 in the second period.\n\nWith the Blackhawks leading 3-2 at 9:56 of the third, Stephane Matteau picked\nup a high sticking penalty. Just 53 seconds into the power play, Steve Smith\nwas called for slashing, giving the Blues a 5-on-3 advantage for 1:07.\n\nThe Blues didn't waste time as Brendan Shanahan scored just 23 seconds into\nthe two-man advantage to tie the game 3-3. Janney found Hull in the slot,\nand Hull fired a rocket at Belfour. Jeff Brown collected the rebound and\npassed it to Shanahan in the left circle. Shanahan beat Belfour from a sharp\nangle.\n\nJust 17 seconds later, Hull scored the game winner for the Blues. Nelson\nEmerson broke in on right wing, carried the puck behind the net along with\ntwo Hawks defensemen. Emerson made a nice pass to an unchecked Hull in the\nslot, and Hull beat Belfour to put the Blues up 4-3.\n\nThe Hawks had several chances to tie the game in the final minutes, but Joseph\nmade some brilliant saves to prevent the Hawks from scoring. He stopped Troy\nMurray point blank from just right of the crease with 2:30 left in the game.\nThe Blues killed off a late Hawks power play, with Rich Sutter clearing the\npuck with his hand as it was trickling along the goal line. The Blues held\non to win the game. The Hawks oushot the Blues 13-7 in the third period,\ntotaling 27 shots on goal for each team. The Blues special teams were excellent\nin the game. The Blues killed 6 of 7 Hawks power plays, and scored twice on\non four power play chances. The Blues ranked among the best special teams in\nthe league. They rank 2nd in penalty killing and 3rd on the power play.\n \nThe game was carried live on ABC, the first time an NHL game other than an\nAll-Star game has been shown on network television since May 24, 1980, when\nCBS carried Game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals.\n\nThe best-of-seven series continues Wednesday in Chicago and Friday and Sunday\nin St. Louis.\n\nBox score\n---------\nBlues 4, Blackhawks 3\n\nBLUES 0 2 2 -- 4\nCHICAGO 1 2 0 -- 3\n\nFIRST PERIOD\n\n CHI -- Noonan 1 (Larmer, K.Brown), 8:17.\n\n Penalties -- Shanahan, StL (holding), 2:28; Zombo, StL (interference), 6:00;\nMurphy, Chi (high-sticking), 11:30; Grimson, Chi (boarding), 14:39; Zombo, StL\n(holding), 18:46.\n\nSECOND PERIOD\n\n STL -- Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson), 3:12.\n CHI -- (PPG) Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios), 5:40.\n CHI -- Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter), 8:51.\n STL -- Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney), 12:49.\n\n Penalties -- Baron, StL (interference), 4:33; Wilson, StL (tripping), 9:31.\n\nTHIRD PERIOD\n\n STL -- (PPG) Shanahan 1 (J.Brown, Hull), 11:12.\n STL -- (PPG) Hull 1 (Emerson, J.Brown), 11:29.\n\n Penalties -- Shanahan, StL (roughing), 1:54; Matteau, Chi (high-sticking),\n9:56; Smith, Chi (slashing), 10:49; Baron, StL (roughing), 14:23.\n\nSHOTS ON GOAL\n\nBLUES 10 10 7 -- 27\nCHICAGO 9 5 13 -- 27\n\nPower-play Opportunities -- St. Louis 2 of 4; Chicago 1 of 7.\n\nGoaltenders -- St. Louis, Joseph, 1-0-0 (27 shots-24 saves).\n Chicago, Belfour, 0-1-0 (27-23).\n\nReferee -- Kerry Fraser. Linesmen -- Kevin Collins, Brian Murphy. A -- 16,199.\n\n %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*\n * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % \n % \\ \\_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * \n * \\ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % \n % \\ ________/ *\n * \\ _______/ Joe Ashkar % \n % \\ \\ Contact for the Blues *\n * \\ \\ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % \n % (___) BLUES * \n *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% \n",
'From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)\nSubject: U.S. WANTS IRAN TO END TERRORISM LINKS \nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 27\n\n\tWASHINGTON (UPI) -- A senior State Department official on Tuesday\nruled out any softening of U.S. attitudes toward Iraq but said relations\nwith Iran\'s Islamic regime could improve substantially if that\ngovernment disassociates itself from international terrorism.\n\t``Despite the name-calling and the harsh rhetoric from across the\nGulf, despite all this, we do not take a position of permanent hostility\ntowards the Islamic Republic of Iran,\'\' David Mack, deputy assistant\nsecretary for Near Eastern Affairs, said.\n\tThe primary U.S. objection is ``Iran\'s international behaviour\'\'\nwhich includes ``extending support of violence\'\' to disrupt the Arab\nIsraeli peace process and its rapid build-up of dangerous weapons.\n\tMack said ``Iran could contribute to regional stability and peace but\nfirst it is to end the behaviour which threatens this area.\'\'\n\tMack spoke at the U.S.-GCC business conference aimed at promoting\nGulf-American trade. He said the ``Middle East will be an item very high\non the agenda of the U.S. administration.\'\'\n\tThe importance of the Gulf is underlined by Secretary of State Warren\nChristoper\'s visit last year to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait before anywhere\nelse in the world, Mack said. He added that the U.S. has no long-term\nplan to station troops in the Gulf.\n\tMack also insisted that the Clinton administration will continue to\npressure Iraq to ``comply with all the U.N. Security resolutions.\'\'\n\t``As long as Iraq is ruled by Saddam Hussein we do not expect\ncompliance,\'\' Mack told delegates.\n\n\n"Copyright 1993 by <UPI/Newsbytes>\n',
'From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)\nSubject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station!\nOrganization: Texas Instruments Inc\nLines: 45\n\nIn <1pq7rj$q2u@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n>|\n>|I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately\n>|current spending rules don\'t permit it to be workable. For this to\n>|work it would be necessary for the government to guarantee a certain\n>|minimum amount of business in order to sufficiently reduce the risk\n>|enough to make this attractive to a private firm. Since they\n>|generally can\'t allocate money except one year at a time, the\n>|government can\'t provide such a tenant guarantee.\n\n\n>Fred.\n\n>\tTry reading a bit. THe government does lots of multi year\n>contracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses. They just like to be\n>damn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year\n>contract. THe reason they aren\'t cutting defense spending as much\n>as they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough\n>Multi year contracts, that it\'s now cheaper to just finish them out.\n\nI don\'t have to "try reading a bit", Pat. I *work* as a government\ncontractor and know what the rules are like. Yes, they sign some\n(damned few -- which is why everyone is always having to go to\nWashington to see about next week\'s funding) multi-year contracts;\nthey also aren\'t willing to include sufficient cancellation penalties\nwhen they *do* decide to cut the multi-year contract and not pay on it\n(which can happen arbitrarily at any time, no matter what previous\nplans were) to make the risk acceptable of something like putting up a\nprivate space station with the government as the expected prime\noccupant.\n\nI\'d like a source for that statement about "the reason they aren\'t\ncutting defense spending as much as they would like"; I just don\'t buy\nit. The other thing I find a bit \'funny\' about your posting, Pat, is\nthat several other people answered the question pretty much the same\nway I did; mine is the one you comment (and incorrectly, I think) on.\nI think that says a lot. You and Tommy should move in together.\n\n-- \n"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don\'t have the balls to live\n in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don\'t speak for others and they don\'t speak for me.\n',
"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: V-max handling request\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 13\n\nIn <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:\n\n>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly\n>comment on its handling .\n\n\tThe V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose.\nIn the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream.\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >\n< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >\n< unusual people. And flame them. >\n\n",
"From: jfreund@taquito.engr.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund)\nSubject: Info on Medical Imaging systems\nOrganization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis\nLines: 10\n\n\n\tHi, \n\n\tIs anyone into medical imaging? I have a good ray tracing background,\nand I'm interested in that field. Could you point me to some sources? Or\nbetter yet, if you have any experience, do you want to talk about what's\ngoing on or what you're working on?\n\nThanks,\nJason Freund\n",
'From: st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger)\nSubject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale\nArticle-I.D.: rosie.5APR199322063854\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\n\nIn article <hatton.733706165@cgl.ucsf.edu>, hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes...\n#adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:\n#>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to?\n#>How good is it\'s compression, and can it be turned on/off at will?\n#>Any other nice/nasty features?\n# \n#According to reports, if you don\'t have DOS yet, and don\'t have any\n#utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it. \n#For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn\'t offer\n#much. You\'d never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able\n#to create, however. :-)\n\n\tIMHO, it seems to be worth the $40 to upgrade. DoubleSpace seems a bit \nsaner than Stacker 2.0 (which I\'ve replaced). MemMaker is nowhere near as \naggressive as QEMM, but it doesn\'t hose my system like QEMM did (at least\nit hasn\'t yet). Microsoft AntiVirus is just the latest version (or a \nreasonably recent one) of CPAV - mine was very aged, so this was quite welcome.\n\n \tMS-DOS 6.0 ain\'t the end all, be all of operating systems - but it\'s\nbetter than a sharp stick in the eye, unless you happen to be into that sort \nof thing. :-)\n\n\t\t\t Lee Preimesberger\nst1g9@jetson.uh.edu ----- Undergraduate Scum ----- University of Houston, USA\n ********\n "There is freedom of choice for every choice but mine."\n',
'Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge\nFrom: Mark \'Mark\' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>\nOrganization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr4.163015.10438@highlite.uucp>, croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis\nA. Ney) says:\n [of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.]\n>It\'s a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after\n>watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down\n>the toilet.\n\nTsk. Surely you don\'t wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country\njust so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That\'s rather\na petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn\'t extend all the way\nto the U.S. Senate, I\'ve noticed...)\n\nWhile Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he\'d wise up. I\ncouldn\'t stand the man, but I wish he\'d done a decent job; if so, we might\nnot be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for\nsuffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should\nbe hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you\'re certain\nhe won\'t.\n\n "...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."\n[Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu\n DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they\'d try to charge me for them.\n',
"From: cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry)\nSubject: cytoskeleton dynamics\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\nSummary: Fast dynamics of cytoskeleton re: transformed cells?\nKeywords: cytoskeleton, microtubule, tubulin\n\nI'm looking for good background and review paper references that can help me\nunderstand the dynamics of cytoskeleton in normal and transformed cells. In\nparticular, I'm not interested in translational behavior and cell motility,\nbut rather in the internal motions of the cytoskeleton and its components\nunder normal and transformed circumstances.\n\nAlso, I'd appreciate any data on force constants, mechanical, and elastic\nproperties of microtubules, and viscous properties of cytoplasm. Any other\ninfo relevant to the vibrational or acoustical properties of these would\nbe useful to me.\n\nThanks...\n\nBill Christens-Barry\ncerulean@access.digex.com\n\n",
"From: root@netdev.comsys.com (Operator)\nSubject: DevGuide with Motif - Solaris 2.2 to ease Motif burden ..\nSummary: Sun helps software developers support motif\nKeywords: SUN, GUI, Motif, DevGuide\nOrganization: ProTools Inc.\nLines: 25\n\n\n We've developed a number of applications using DevGuide and found it to \nbe a very useful tool. I've been impressed with the level of integration it\naffords using the connection editor. I love the general ease of use.\n \n I talked with Tali Aben at Sun today about DevGuide + Motif. She was very\nhelpful. We provided some input as to what we'd like to see in the next\nversion of DevGuide. Tali was very enthusiatic about our comments. I mentioned\nI was going to post this email message and she offered to receive additional\ncomments from the net on what DevGuide should evolve into. \n \n Send your comments/wish-list, raving, et. al. about DevGuide to:\n\n Tali.Aben@Sun.COM\n\n\n Pretty cool example of a company that cares what we want.... More of this\nand computers may have a future.\n\n Frankly, I like the idea that it will offer some migration capability\nto DOE/DOMF through an integrated ToolTalk capability, pointed out in March's \nSunExpert magazine. \n\n Technology works, we can crankout the interfaces with DevGuide. Price is \noutstanding. \n",
"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest Driver Action\nOrganization: Corporation for Open Systems\nDistribution: usa \nLines: 41\n\nIn <C5Dq2n.5uB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes:\n\n>jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n\n>>I wish I had the figures with me to back me up, but I recall\n>>statistics showing that women tended to have more accidents than men\n>>but the damage was generally quite minor. Men had fewer but far more\n>>expensive accidents. The rate of total vehicle destruction was\n>>*significantly* higher for men than women, particularly in the younger\n>>male age groups.\n\n>>IMHO social considerations are probably the strongest influence here,\n>>possibly more so than any difference between the sexes. Social\n>>influences often affect the type of car that's bought and the\n>>situations the car is used in, and the type of car and driving\n>>situations have a major effect on accident risk. Thus if society\n>>expects you to buy a Mustang and race it on the street you're more\n>>likely to do it, and our society expects that of males more than\n>>females.\n\n>I agree with some of your social influences, such as driving conditions,\n>but lets get real here. Guys don't drag race becuase there expected too,\n>we do it becuase its fun! (and we find out whose car is faster). \n>Guys drive different than women becuase there men. When a driver is \n>driving 'unusually', I can usually figure out if it is a male or female\n>driver without looking at the driver.\n>Social influences may give a person more reason to buy a vehicle that\n>has a certain amount of character which he or she would like associated\n>with. Do you change your driving habits when no one is around?\n\nSheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live,\nbut there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least\nthey will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity\nwith us old folks :-).\n>>My $.02.\n>Mark B.\n\n>>jim frost\n>>jimf@centerline.com\n Bob\n\n",
'From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte)\nSubject: Re: What is "ROM accelerated video"?\nNntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 18\n\nIn <1qknuq$9ut@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3jl@web-4f.berkeley.edu (James Wang) writes:\n\n>addressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster\n>since the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one.\n\nEven the 68000 can fetch two bytes at a time.\n\nThe new instruction in the 68040 is MOVE16 which fetches 16 bytes\nat a time instead of 4 which the 68030 has; that means 4 24bit\npixels instead of one.\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t/ h+\n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n\n This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.\n',
'From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)\nSubject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games\nKeywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se\n\nIn <1qsfak$skc@network.ucsd.edu> dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) writes:\n\n>But, the following games only play out of the left channel:\n\n...\n\n>But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers.\n\nMac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and\nmix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in\nstereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while\nsome are "truly" mono (like the LC)\n\nDevelopers know that stuff played in the left channel is\nguaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn\'t. Some\nsend data to both, some only send data to the left channel\n(the first is preferrable, of course)\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t/ h+\n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n Engineering: "How will this work?" Science: "Why will this work?" Management:\n "When will this work?" Liberal Arts: "Do you want fries with that?"\n -- Jesse N. Schell\n',
"From: JBE5 <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>\nSubject: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!!\nLines: 50\nNntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca\nOrganization: McGill University\n\nAargh!\n\nPaul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL.\nHe called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques.\nThe Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself,\nwas looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords\nget away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!!\n\nIt was an excellent game with plenty of end-to-end rushes and tremendous\ngoalkeeping. The Nords tied it with over 1 minute to go while Lebeau\nwas serving a penalty. I don't mind Stewart calling a penalty in the\nlast 5 min. of the game, but AT LEAST BE FAIR ABOUT IT. The Nords were\ncaught with their hand in the cookie jar more than once. Stewart turned\nthe other cheek...BASTARD!\n\nPatrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and\non his knees for the rest of the night. The winning goal shouldn't have\ngone in.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the loss on Stewart. The Habs had\nplenty of chances to capitalize, Muller, LeClair, Haller, etc. but\nfailed to put the puck in the net. That's what did them in. But\nMr. Stewart didn't help matters at all.\n\nOh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--)\n\n ,,,\n (0-0)\n============================oOO(_)OOo===================================\nThe Czar of Mainframe Computing <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>\nMcGill University\n\n --> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL.\n\n---> Habs...will beat the Nords in 7!!!!\n\n---> Let's Go Expos!\n ===========================================\n | Hickory, dickory doc, |\n | She took a good look at your cock. |\n | It's really scary all rinkled and hairy,|\n | It smells like a 10 year old sock! |\n | --Andrew Dice Clay |\n ===========================================\n\n DISCLAIMER:\n************************************************************************\n* Needless to say that the opinions expressed by THE CZAR represent *\n* those of the faculty, staff, and students of McGill University. *\n************************************************************************\n",
"From: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nReply-To: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)\nOrganization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.142037.9246@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n|>\n|>In article <1993Apr6.044323.22829@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes:\n|>>\n|>>You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those\n|>>players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's\n|>>see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he\n|>>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that\n|>>Euro-blooded boy back!!!\n|>>\n|>\n|>Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America\n|>as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his\n|>North American heritage back a lot further than most of us.\n|>\n|>Gerald\n|>\n\n\nUh, Gerald, I think he was joking...\n\n\n-lisa\n",
"From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 35\n\nmatmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:\n\n>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>: >> \n>: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if \n>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your\n>: >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there\n>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.\n>: \n>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be\n>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car?\n\nI can't tell if Matt is being sarcastic here or not, but to be honest, many\nautomobiles are worth far more to their owners (in $$ value and $$ investment)\nthan the people that would take them. I don't have figures on average property\ntax in the U.S. or how much of it is allocated for housing projects, inferior\npublic schools, jails, or the like, but I have a feeling that the amount the\ngovernment steals from an honest, productive citizen to breed this trash is \nsignificantly less than the value of many automobiles. And for those who will\nargue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to\nmention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot\nbe valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they\nare not human beings. Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track. And \nChintan Amin remarked earlier that we cannot blame environment for the actions\nof a single criminal. I couldn't agree more. One could trace any crime back\nto the environment/upbringing of the criminal; should we let all of them out,\nfrom pickpockets to rapists to inside traders, because what they did wasn't\ntheir fault? Where does one draw the line?\n\n$0.02\n\nMichael T. Chaffee\nmchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu\t<----Email\nmchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu\t<----NeXTMail\n.sig under construction.\t<----Excuse\n",
'From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com\nSubject: Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.062328.19776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, \ndgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:\n\n[...]\n> \n> Wait a minute. You said *never* play a Chamberlain. Since the US\n> *is* playing Chamberlain as far as East Timor is concerned, wouldn\'t\n> that lead you to think that your argument is irrelevant and had nothing\n> to do with the Gulf War? Actually, I rather like your idea. Perhaps\n> the rest of the world should have bombed (or maybe missiled) Washington\n> when the US invaded Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Mexico, Hawaii,\n> or any number of other places.\n\nWait a minute, Doug. I know you are better informed than that. The US \nhas never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know). We liberated Grenada \nfrom the Cubans\tto protect US citizens there and to prevent the completion \nof a strategic air strip. Panama we invaded, true (twice this century). \nVietnam? We were invited in by the government of S. Vietnam. (I guess \nwe "invaded" Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, eh?) Mexico? We have \ninvaded Mexico 2 or 3 times, once this century, but there were no missiles \nfor anyone to shoot over here at that time. Hawaii? We liberated it from \nSpain.\n\nSo if you mean by the word "invaded" some sort of military action where\nwe cross someone\'s border, you are right 5 out of 6. But normally\n"invaded" carries a connotation of attacking an autonomous nation.\n(If some nation "invades" the U.S. Virgin Islands, would they be\ninvading the Virgin Islands or the U.S.?) So from this point of\nview, your score falls to 2 out of 6 (Mexico, Panama).\n\n[...]\n> \n> What\'s a "peace-nik"? Is that somebody who *doesn\'t* masturbate\n> over "Guns\'n\'Ammo" or what? Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik?\n\nNo, it\'s someone who believes in "peace-at-all-costs". In other words,\na person who would have supported giving Hitler not only Austria and\nCzechoslakia, but Poland too if it could have averted the War. And one\nwho would allow Hitler to wipe all *all* Jews, slavs, and political \ndissidents in areas he controlled as long as he left the rest of us alone.\n\n"Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik," you ask? Well, it depends\non what your values are. If you value life over liberty, peace over\nfreedom, then I guess not. But if liberty and freedom mean more to you\nthan life itself; if you\'d rather die fighting for liberty than live\nunder a tyrant\'s heel, then yes, it\'s "bad" to be a peace-nik.\n\nThe problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are\nnot like them to be "bad" and "unconscionable". I would not have any\nargument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and\nstayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with \nthe national defense. But no, they are not willing to allow us to\nlegitimately hold a different point-of-view. They militate and \nmany times resort to violence all in the name of peace. (What rank\nhypocrisy!) All to stop we "warmongers" who are willing to stand up \nand defend our freedoms against tyrants, and who realize that to do\nso requires a strong national defense.\n\nTime to get off the soapbox now. :)\n\n[...]\n> --\n> Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own.\n\nRegards,\n\nJim B.\n',
'From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nReply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com\nOrganization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector\nNntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com>, david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes:\n|> cnavarro@cymbal.calpoly.edu (CLAIRE) writes:\n\n|> >>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?\n|> >>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before \n|> >>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are\n|> >>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? \n|> >>\n|> >>I\'m old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least\n|> >>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the\n|> >>"Chinese restaurant syndrome" because Chinese cuisine has\n|> >>always used it.\n\n|> So far, I\'ve seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but\n|> no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at \n|> work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study\n|> using double-blind trials? \n\nHere is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to \ntry chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a\ngirl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant\nsyndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different\ndishes. It didn\'t taste great, but I decided it wasn\'t so bad. We went\nhome and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs.\nI threw up for so long that (I\'m not kidding) I pulled a muscle in\nmy tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I\'m\nnot allergic to anything that I know of. \n\nSuffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am \nphysically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is*\na psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer\nthrough beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. \nI haven\'t gotten sick yet.\n\n-- \nDoug Bank Private Systems Division\ndougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector\ndougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois\ndougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 \n',
"From: paul@def.bae.co.uk (Paul Byrne)\nSubject: imake - help needed\nReply-To: paul@def.bae.co.uk\nOrganization: British Aerospace (Defence) Ltd.\nLines: 19\n\nHi\n\nCan someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN OPENWINDOWS\nenviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not find any clues.\n\nPlease respons via e-mail.....\n\nThanks\n\nPaul\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\nPaul Byrne\t\t\t\tBritish Aerospace Defence Ltd\n\t\t\t\t\tDynamics Division\nemail Paul.Byrne@def.bae.co.uk\t\tFPC 450\n\t\t\t\t\tP.O.Box 5, Filton\nPhone 0272 316086\t\t\tBristol, BS12 7QW\n\n",
"From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty)\nSubject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale\nDistribution: ca\nOrganization: Oracle Corporation\nLines: 11\nOriginator: gdoherty@kr2seq.us.oracle.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: kr2seq.us.oracle.com\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\n\n[this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net]\n\n1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE\n\nAsking 5900.00 or best offer.\nThis bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has\nabout 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard\nsaddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag\n(the large one), and an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a\nline.\nDAS\n",
'From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)\nSubject: Galileo Update - 04/22/93\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory\nLines: 84\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\nKeywords: Galileo, JPL\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nForwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director\n\n GALILEO\n MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT\n POST-LAUNCH\n April 16 - 22, 1993\n\n\nSPACECRAFT\n\n1. On April 19, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the\nExtreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer\n(MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received\nproperly.\n\n2. On April 19, a Command Detector Unit Signal-to-Noise Ratio (CDUSNR) test\nand a Radio Frequency Subsystem Automatic Gain Control (RFSAGC) test were\nperformed using the LGA-1 (Low Gain Antenna #1) over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter\nantenna) and DSS-61 (Madrid 34 meter antenna), respectively. Data analysis\nis in process. These tests are periodically performed to provide detailed\ninformation relative to the telecom command hardware integrity.\n\n3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to\n264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase.\n\n4. On April 21, the first of two suppressed carrier/DSN (Deep Space Network)\nadvanced receiver characterization tests was performed over DSS-14 (Goldstone\n70 meter antenna). The spacecraft modulation index was varied from 43 degrees\nto 90 degrees for a range of ground receiver bandwidth settings.\n\n5. The AC bus imbalance measurement has not exhibited significant change\n(greater than 25 DN) throughout this period but the DC bus imbalance\nmeasurement has. The AC measurement reads 20 DN (4.5 volts). The DC\nmeasurement has ranged from 43 DN (4.6 volts) to 138 DN (16.2 volts) and\ncurrently reads 138 DN (16.2 volts). These measurements are consistent with\nthe model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team.\n\n6. The Spacecraft status as of April 22, 1993, is as follows:\n\n a) System Power Margin - 68 watts\n b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin\n c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner\n d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 21 degrees\n off-sun (lagging) and 5 degrees off-earth (leading)\n e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1\n f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within\n acceptable range\n g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range\n h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS,\n EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS\n i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within\n acceptable range\n j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours\n Time To Initiation - 184 hours\n\n\nTRAJECTORY\n\n As of noon Thursday, April 22, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory\nstatus was as follows:\n\n\tDistance from Earth 169,747,800 km (1.14 AU)\n\tDistance from Sun 286,967,900 km (1.92 AU)\n\tHeliocentric Speed 91,200 km per hour\n\tDistance from Jupiter 532,735,900 km\n\tRound Trip Light Time 18 minutes, 58 seconds\n\n\nSPECIAL TOPIC\n\n1. As of April 22, 1993, a total of 70185 real-time commands have been\ntransmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 65077 were initiated in the\nsequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process.\nIn the past week, one real time command was transmitted: one was initiated in\nthe sequence design process and none initiated in the real time command\nprocess. The only command activity was a command to reset the command loss\ntimer.\n ___ _____ ___\n /_ /| /____/ \\ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\n | | | | __ \\ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |\n ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand\n/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and\n|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.\n\n',
'From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody\nLines: 29\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n\n>I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from\n>the people on the net.\n>\n>Say you\'re in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You\n>give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their\n>action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is\n>what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you\n>collect your brass (if you\'re using a semi-auto) and get out of there\n>(provided of course you don\'t think that you have been seen)? \n\n As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police\nofficer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if\nyou were perfectly justified you\'re likely in for a great deal of \nhassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.)\n\n>What kind\n>of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would\n>be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and\n>it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone\n>saw you and you were caught?\n\n It\'s one of those "by State" things, pretty much. \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\nlove me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n',
'From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin)\nSubject: Questions about Plane Eqn method of Hidden Surface removal\nOrganization: The Cellar BBS and public access system\nLines: 18\n\nWhat are the main advantages of this method? I have seen it described, and\nthe algiorithm seems a little bit long. I developed my own method, which\nrequires that the points be in a counter-clockwise order, and returns\nwhether you are looking at the back or the front, similar to the plane eqn\nmethod. It uses few calculations however, basically it is several\ncomparisons. The only disadvantage I see is that it must be done after the\ntransformation from view coordinates to coordinates to display on the\nscreen, which means that a little more calculation isneeded beforehand. My\nmethod basically figures out whether the points that will appear on the\nscreen are clockwise or counterclockwise. When looking at the back of\nsomething, the points occur in an opposite direction from the front, so\nmerely by figuring out which way the points go, you can tell whether you are\nlooking at the back or front of a 2d polygon. Has anyone heard of this\nmethod before? It is so simple, I doubt i am the first to think of it.\n\nLibertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.\n\nI define myself--tsa@cellar.org\n',
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Treatment of Armenians in Azerbaijan #1\nSummary: Prelude to Events Today \nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 223\n\n\nDEPOSITION of VITALY NIKOLAYEVICH DANIELIAN [1]\n\n\n Born 1972\n Attended 9th Grade\n Middle School No. 17\n\n Resident at Building 4/2, Apartment 25\n Microdistrict No. 3\n Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\nReally, people in town didn\'t know what was happening on February 27. I came \nhome from school at 12 o\'clock, being excused to leave before the last period \nin order to go to Baku. When we left, everything in town was fine. Life was \nthe same as usual, a few groups of people were discussing things, soccer and \nother things. Then we got on the Sumgait bus bound for Baku for my first \ncousin\'s birthday, my father, my mother, and I. We spent the day in Baku, and \non the 28th, somewhere around 6:00 p.m., we got on the bus for home, figuring \nthat I\'d have enough time to do my homework for the next day.\n\nWhen we were entering town, near the 12-story high-rises, our bus was stopped \nby a very large crowd. The crowd demanded that the Armenians get off the bus. \nThe driver says that there are no Armenians on board; then everyone on the bus\nbegins to shout that there are no Armenians on board. The group comes up to \nthe doors of the bus and has people get out one by one, not checking \npassports, just going by the way people look. We get off the bus, but are not \ntaken for Armenians.\n\nWe set out in the direction of home. At first we were going to go into an old \nbuilding where we knew there\'d be a place to hide, but the whole road was \npacked with groups of people, all the way from Block 41 to the 8th \nMicrodistrict. These groups were emptying people\'s pockets and checking\npassports. People who didn\'t have passports with them were beaten as well.\nThen we decided to go home instead. Near the 12-story high-rises I saw burning\ncars and a great many people standing around the driveways, yelling. "Death to\nthe Armenians" was written on the cars.\n\nWhen we came into the courtyard--we live in an L-shaped building--it was still\nquiet. We went on upstairs, but didn\'t turn on any lights. We tried to call \nBaku to warn our relatives, who were due to arrive on Wednesday, not to come. \nThen there was a knock at the door. It was our neighbors, who advised us to \ncome down to stay at their place. We went down to their place, and they led us\nto the basement. They live on the first floor and have a basement which you \nenter across the balcony. We sat in the basement while an Armenian woman was \nbeaten--she ran away naked. Our neighbors\' daughter said that that\'s right, \nthat\'s what the Armenians deserve, because in Stepanakert, allegedly, people \nwere being killed, 11 girls from Agdam had been raped. We didn\'t stay very \nlong in the basement. We tried to support one another as best we could, \nlooking out the small window with the iron grating. Papa watched and said \nthings now and then. He said that there was a fire near Building 5, probably a\ncar on fire. Then one of the groups approached our driveway and demanded that \nthey be shown the apartments where Armenians lived. The neighbors said that \nthere weren\'t any Armenians here, and the group set out for the other wing of \nthe building. They appeared from the 5/2 side of the building, where, I later \nfound out, a woman had been murdered. The woman who ran away naked died. Yuri\nAvakian was killed, too.\n\nWhen the crowd left, the neighbors said that it was all over and we could go \nhome. We went back up to our place and again didn\'t turn on the light. We \nstarted to gather up our things in order to leave Sumgait for a while. We\ntried to call a relative who lived in Sumgait, but there was no answer. We\ndecided she had already left.\n\nWe sat at home. The phone rang, and the caller asked to speak with my\nfather. I called him to the phone. It was Jeykhun Mamedov, from my father\'s\nwork brigade. He said he was disgusted by what was happening in our\ntown. He asked for our address and promised to get a car and help us get\nout of the city. To be quite honest, Papa didn\'t want to give him our address,\nbut my mother got on the phone and told him. Some 15 minutes after the\ncall a crowd ran into our entryway. Bursting into the building, they broke\ndown the door and came into the apartment . . .\n\nThey came straight to our apartment, they knew exactly where the Armenians \nwere. They came into our place. We tried to resist, but there was nothing we \ncould do. One of them took my parents\' passports and began to read them. He \nread the surname "Danielian," turned the page, read "Armenian," and that alone\nwas enough to doom us. He said that we should be moved quickly out into the \ncourtyard, where they would have done with us. Another, standing next to him, \npushed some of the keys on the piano and said "your death has tolled." They \nhad knives and steel truncheons.\n\nI had a knife in my hand. Unfortunately, I didn\'t use it. I just knew that if\nI didn\'t give up the knife things would be much worse. They struck my parents \nand said that I should put the knife on the piano. Then, one of them commanded\nthat we be taken outside. One person was giving orders. When we were taken \noutdoors I went in the middle, and my mother was behind me. Someone started to\npush her so she\'d walk faster; I let her go ahead of me, and fell in behind \nher. When he tried to push me, I hit him, and at that moment they began \nbeating my parents; I realized that resistance was completely useless.\n\nWe are taken out into the courtyard, and the neighbors are standing on their \nbalconies to see what will happen next. The crowd surrounds us. At first they \nstrike me, and I\'m knocked out; when I come to, they beat me again . . . I \nlose consciousness often . . . I don\'t see or hear my parents, since I was the\nfirst one hit and was out cold. When I come to I try to pick them up; they are\nlying next to me. The crowd is gone, the only people around are watching from \ntheir balconies. That\'s it. I try to pick them up, but can\'t. My left arm is \nbroken. I start toward the drive, wanting to tell the neighbors to call an \nambulance. The bodies of my parents are still warm.\n\nWe were attacked at around 9 o\'clock. I regain consciousness at about 11 and \ntry to make it up the stairs home . . . When I knock at the neighbors\' door, \nthey push me back and tell me to go away. I go up to the third floor, our \nneighbor puts a damp cloth on my head and says she will call an ambulance; she\nsends her son off for one and takes me to our apartment. I often look out the \nwindow to see if the ambulance has arrived, but I can\'t see very far as a \nresult of the blows, and it seems that my parents have already been taken \naway. Then I calm down and try to convince myself that they have been taken \naway, and everything will be OK.\n\nBut they were still there. Later, at 8 in the morning as I found out, the\nambulance picked them up, but they were already dead. If they received\nattention on time, it is possible they would still be alive. Later, around 12 \no\'clock on the 29th, policemen in civilian clothing come to our house with \nsome "assistants." They call an ambulance, and 20 minutes later it arrives, \nand I am taken to the Sumgait Emergency Hospital. There they stitch the wounds\non my head and rebind my arm. At 3 o\'clock I and the other Armenians who are \nin the hospital are sent by ambulance to Baku.\n\nIn my ward at the Sumgait Hospital there were five people, all of them\nArmenians. The hospital was nearly overflowing with Armenians. The only\nAzerbaijanis there were those whose car had flipped over before the events,\nbefore the 27th.\n\nThen I was in the Semashko Hospital in Baku. I was there 38 days. When I was \nreleased, on the 40th day, I found out that my parents were dead. At first \nthey told me that they were in Moscow being treated, but later I found out \nthat they were dead. My father\'s older brother told me.\n\nMy father\'s name was Nikolai Artemovich Danielian. He was born in 1938. My \nmother, born in 1937, was Seda Osipovna Danielian. Papa worked at PMK-20, the \nleader of the roofing brigade; mamma was a compressor operator.\n\nThey were also beaten on the head. The coroner\'s report stated that their\nheads were smashed open and bled profusely.\n\nAt the confrontation I met Jeykhun Mamedov, who had called. As it turned out \nlater, he had been the one who tipped the crowd off. He had called \nspecifically to find out if we were at home and to find out the exact address \nand dispatch the group. He knew the phone number, but didn\'t know the address.\nBefore the events I had never seen him, but had often spoken with him on the \nphone, when he would ask to speak with my father. I knew him by name. He \ndenies that I was the one who answered the phone, saying that my father \nanswered it. He denies that he called from a public phone, saying that he \ncalled from home, which also isn\'t true. I heard noise and the sounds of \nautomobiles. As I later found out, earlier he had been convicted, but had \nnever served any time--he had received a suspended sentence. He was about 20 \nyears old. I don\'t know if he has since confessed or not. I am sure that he \nwas the one who tipped the crowd off. One-hundred percent sure.\n\nMy parents were from Karabagh. Father was from the village of Badar, and was \ntwo years old when his family moved to Baku, where his elder brothers were to\ngo to school. He was a student at the Naval School, but never graduated. He\nwent off to work on the virgin lands [one of the gigantic agricultural \nprojects instituted under Khrushchev.] When he returned he lived in Baku, and \nlater moved to Sumgait, helping with the town\'s construction. Mamma was from \nthe village of Dagdagan, also from Karabagh. She worked in Sumgait, first in \na bookstore, and later, on a construction site.\n\n\nMy sister is older than I. She lives with her husband here in Karabagh. I\nalways loved my parents. That was why I went on to 9th grade, because it\nwas their dream that I would continue my studies. I finished 8th grade and\nwanted to enter the Baku Nautical School, and after that, the Military\nSchool. But later I changed my mind, or rather, my parents got me to recon-\nsider, saying that it would be better to finish the 10th grade and then join \nthe Naval School. I was planning to be in the Navy almost my whole life\nlong--since childhood I had dreamed of being a sailor. My father wanted it\nmore than anything. He always recollected his youth, telling of the School,\nand he always said that he had made a big mistake in leaving it.\n\nNow I live in Karabagh and never plan to leave here. I will stay at the home \nof my grandfather, of my ancestors, till the end of my days.\n\nWhile in the hospital in Baku I learned the fates of many others who had\nsuffered as well, like Ishkhan [Trdatov]. He managed to hold them off [at\ntheir residence in Microdistrict 3, Building 6/2, Apartment 6.] for a long\ntime, lost his father [Gabriel], and by some miracle managed to survive. I\nalso learned of Uncle Sasha, from Building 5/2, whose daughter was raped\n\n. . . Besides them, Valery--I forgot his last name--was in the hospital too,\nabout a year younger than I, he went to School No. 14. He was riding with\nhis parents in the car. People were throwing rocks at them, he was hit, and\nhis parents brought him to the hospital, and he was in our ward. We even\ncame to be friends. Before that we had just seen each other around town. But\nin the hospital we got to know one another better. I learned of the fates of\nothers, those who had died, or who were befallen by misfortune . . .\n\nToday Suren Harutunian, the First Secretary of the Communist party of Armenia,\nwas shown on television. To be honest I am glad that Armenia agreed to \nrecognize Nagorno Karabagh as part of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic.\nI was repelled, no, revolted, to hear the Baku announcer who read the decision\nof the Azerbaijani Supreme Soviet Presidium against Karabagh becoming part of \nArmenia.\n\nAfter the events in Sumgait and those in Baku, the best solution is to give\nKarabagh to Armenia, return it to Armenia, since the people want to live\npeacefully with the Azerbaijanis, but everything has to be right before they\ncan do that.\n\nI arrived in Karabagh on April 11. I felt very bad. I had constant headaches.\nAfter a while my strength returned. My older sister, Suzanna, took me in. I \nthink that justice should prevail; the people are demanding their due.\n\nYou can\'t take away what is their due. My parents and I often spoke of Nagorno\nKarabagh, often visited here--spent almost all of my vacations here. We had \neven decided that if Karabagh would be made part of Armenia, we would move \nhere for sure. We always said that the Armenian people had suffered much, and \nthat what had been done in 1921--removing Nagorno Karabagh from Armenia--was\nwrong. Sooner or later, mistakes should be corrected. And in order to correct \na mistake, it must not be repeated; and the fate of all Nagorno Karabagh lies \nin the hands of our government.\n\nJune 13,1988\n\nStepanakert \n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series)\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nDistribution: na\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.013145.8770@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:\n>\n>Right. So who cares which PLAYER gets credited, as long as the TEAM\n>gets more runs? If a player helps the TEAM get more R and RBI, but \n>doesn't score them all himself, who cares?\n\nAmusing, isn't it? Seems only the SDCNs realize how much baseball is\na *team* game, combining efforts from every player for the win.\n\nConsider the Red Sox game last night. The Sox won 4-3 in the bottom\nof the 13th. Who won the game?\n\n-Clemens pitched a strong nine (?) innings, allowing only two runs.\n-Ryan pitched a couple shutout innings, though he needed some excellent\n defensive plays behind him to do so.\n-Quantrill pitched a couple of innings, gave up the go-ahead run, and\n got credited with the win when the Sox scored two in the bottom of\n the inning.\n\nLooks like a team effort to me! Yet only Quantrill got credit for\nthe win.\n\nHow about the offense?\n-Dawson and Vaughn hit (I think) HRs early in the game. Without either\n one, the Sox would have lost in nine.\n-Quintana led off the 13th with a solid single.\n-Zupcic pinch-ran for Quintana, providing the speed to go from first\n to third when...\n-Cooper ripped a *second* single in the inning.\n-Melvin avoided the DP, getting the run home with a sac fly. Not much of\n a help, but it was something.\n-Scrub Richardson then hit a double, scoring the speedy Cooper all the\n way from first! (Hill's lack of defense helped.)\n\nCooper and Zupcic were credited with runs, Melvin and Richardson were\ncredited with RBIs. But it seems to me that it was Quintana's hit\nthat set up the whole inning! And did Melvin really contribute as\nmuch as Richardson?\n\nFurthermore, people seem to consider RBIs to be more significant than\nruns. Did Melvin contribute more than Cooper? Cooper provided the\ngame-winning baserunner, and moved the tying run to third base with\nonly one out!\n\nAssigning credit based on Runs and RBIs is clearly ridiculous. You\ncan argue that OBP and SLG don't show you who came through in the\nclutch, but R&RBI don't do any better. At least OBP and SLG don't\n*claim* to try to tell you that.\n\nHere's to the Red Sox who contributed to last night's victory.\nAll 20 of them!\n\n-Valentine\n",
'From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D\'Oliveiro, Waikato University)\nSubject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650\nOrganization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>, I said:\n\n> I know that plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on is "not\n> supported", and you can hit problems if you have multiple devices with\n> clashing addresses, and all that.\n\nI\'ve had a couple of e-mail responses from people who seem to believe that\nthis sort of thing is not only unsupported, it is downright dangerous.\n\nI have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I\nasked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for\nyears. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging\nADB devices with the power on.\n\nSCSI, yes, ADB, no...\n\nLawrence D\'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889\nComputer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066\nUniversity of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz\nHamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47\' 26" S, 175^ 19\' 7" E, GMT+12:00\n',
'From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)\nSubject: Daily Verse\nOrganization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA\nLines: 4\n\nFor whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister\nand mother." \n\nMatthew 12:50\n',
"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)\nSubject: Re: The state of justice\nOrganization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu\n\ndemon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>\tA judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two\n>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not\n>from the fire.\n>\n>\tThoughts?\n\nHow can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than\nunconscious?\n\n>\tIt's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start\n>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led\n>to the previous ruling appear.\n>\n>\tOr has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? \n>Shouldn't that be up to a jury?\n\nWhat kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at\nthe accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics,\nemergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the\nfirst trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and\nforgot to call all of your witnesses.\n\nIf we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new\ninterpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find\nsuch witnesses. If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser\ncould *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser\nbecomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new\nexpert witnesses).\n\n--Tim Smith\n",
'From: neuralog@NeoSoft.com (Neuralog)\nSubject: Authorization in OW 3.0 \nOrganization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900\nLines: 29\n\n\nHello,\n\nThis is my first net letter, so forgive mistakes!\n\nI have been plagued by problems (or lack of info) with\nauthorization in Open Windows 3.0 for a long while and\nwould like some help please! I generally use strait\nMIT X, and so don\'t use OW much, but when I share \nX software with others - bad news.\n\nPROBLEM:\n\nMy friend who logs into his SSII trys to run my \nprogram that runs fine on my machine, however, \nmy friend gets "client not authorized to connect \nto server" (or something close). If OW is started\nwith the -noauth option all is well, but surely this\nis not required in general!\n\nAlso, xhost + does not work, becoming root does not \nwork, etc... \n\nAny help will be greatly appreciated!\n\nThanx\n\nsend replies to neuralog@neosoft.com or this news group\n\n',
"From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.034517.12820@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\n (Wayne Smith) writes:\n [stuff deleted]\n>So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT\n>HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense.\n\nActually, it does make a reasonable amount of sense. Fixed disk\nsectors are buffered by the controller, and transferring them to\nmemory with a 'rep insw' (or whatever the instruction is called) is\nquite efficient (single instruction, goes as fast as the\ncontroller/cpu know how to use the bus). Since the 286 wasn't cached,\nthe bus is likely a critical resource relative to CPU performance, and\nit's possible that DMA bus interference would cause as much or more\nloss of CPU cycles (for 'computing') as does the 'rep insw' sequence.\n\nThe floppy, on the other hand, is not buffered, so that using the CPU\nfor floppy data transfer (as was done on the PC Jr, by the way) really\ndoes stink.\n\nWally Bass\n",
'From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)\nSubject: Gun Talk -- State legislative update\nOrganization: Ideology Busters, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: Gun Talk\nLines: 208\n\nApril 19, 1993\n \nAs William O. Douglas noted, "If a powerful sponsor is lacking,\nindividual liberty withers -- in spite of glowing opinions and\nresounding constitutional phrases."\n \nThe legislative scorecard outlined below resulted from subcommittee,\ncommittee, and floor action. Many important victories, however, come\nfrom coordinating with legislators to ensure anti-gun/anti-hunting\nlegislation is either amended favorably, rejected, or never voted.\nThese quiet victories are no less impressive in protecting our\nfundamental civil liberties guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the\nU.S. Constitution.\n \n ****\n \nArizona - SB 1233, NRA-supported legislation concerning minors in\ncriminal possession of firearms passed the House 36-18, is currently\nawaiting action by the Governor.\n \nArkansas - HB 1447, Firearms Preemption Legislation was signed by the\nGovernor making this the forty-first state to pass preemption.\nPreemption had passed twice in previous sessions only to be vetoed by\nthen Gov. Bill Clinton. HB 1417, mandatory storage of firearms,\namended and then killed in committee.\n \nColorado - SB 42, mandating the storage of firearms with a\ntrigger-lock, killed in committee. SB 104, prohibiting the sale of\ncertain semi-auto firearms was killed in committee. SB 108,\nso-called Colorado Handgun Violence Prevention Act, including a\nprovision for a 10-day waiting period, killed in committee.\n \nConnecticut - Substitute Bill No. 6372, imposing a 6% tax on all\nfirearms, ammunition, and archery equipment killed in Environment\nCommittee.\n \nFlorida - A bill to require a 3-year license at a cost of $150 to own\nor possess semi-automatic firearms with a second degree felony\nprovision (15 years in prison) died in committee along with numerous\nother anti-gun owner bills. No anti-gun legislation passed in\nFlorida this year.\n \nGeorgia - SB 12, supposed instant check with provision allowing for\nup to a 7-day "waiting period," defeated in House Public Safety\nCommittee and sent to Interim Study committee. Mandatory storage\nbill -- SB 247 -- was defeated 39-15 in the Senate. The same bill\npassed the upper-House 52-2 in 1992.\n \n \nIllinois - HB 90, prohibiting the sale, possession, manufacture,\npurchase, possession, or carrying of certain semi-auto firearms, was\ndefeated in House Judiciary II Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 91,\nmandatory storage legislation, failed in House Judiciary Subcommittee\non Firearms. HB 1550, repeals FOID and makes FTIP, point of sale\ncheck permanent, passed out of Judiciary Committee by a 10-4-2 vote.\nPresently on the calendar for third reading in the House.\n \nSB 40, mandatory storage bill, defeated in committee.\nSB 265, imposing a handgun excise tax, failed in Senate committee on\nRevenue\'s Subcommittee on Tax Increases.\nSB 272,imposing a tax on all persons engaged in the business of\nselling firearms, failed in Senate Revenue Committee\'s Subcommittee\non Tax Increases.\n \nIndiana - SB 241, Statewide Firearms Preemption, passed in the Senate\n34-16, and in the House 77-22. Twelve amendments were introduced on\nthe House floor to SB 241. Among these amendments were a ban on\ncertain semi-auto firearms, Mandatory Storage, Trigger-Lock, a ban on\n"Saturday Night Specials" (Similar to 1988 Maryland Bill), and\nHandgun Rationing (one handgun per month). All were defeated.\n\n\t[I read this morning (4/20) S.B. 241 was defeated -- lvc]\n \nKansas - HB 2435, providing for a 72-hour waiting period on all\nfirearms was defeated in committee. HB 2458, presently on the\nGovernor\'s desk, HB 2459 and SB 243 and 266 all relating to victims\'\nrights, are expected to be enacted into law.\n \nMaine - Funding for the Department of Fish and Wildlife 1993-94\nbudget, was restored following severe reductions in the Governor\'s\nproposed budget. LD 612, an anti-hunting bill which included reverse\nposting and 1000 yard safety zones, killed in committee.\n \nMaryland - SB 6-(Firearms Incendiary ammunition) died in committee on\na 8-3 vote, SB 41 (Reckless Endangerment - Firearms - Sale or\nTransfer) died in committee on a 11-0 vote, SB 126 (Gun Control -\n"Assault Weapons") died in committee on 9-2 vote, SB 182 (Weapons\n-Free School Zone) was withdrawn, SB 185 (Weapons on School Property-\nDriver\'s License Suspension was withdrawn, SB 265 ("Assault Pistols"\n- Sale, Purchase or Transport) died in committee on 8-3 vote, SB 328\n("Assault Pistols" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB\n682 (Baltimore City-Firearms-Rifles and Shotguns) died in committee\non a 9-2 vote.\n \nHB 274 (Pistol and Revolver Dealers Licenses - compliance with zoning\nlaws) was withdrawn, HB 366 (Regulated Firearms-sales and transfer)\ndied on the Senate Floor, HB 374 (Handguns and "assault weapons" -\nAdvertising for sale or transfer) died in committee, HB 384 (Handguns\nand "Assault Weapons" - Exhibitors) died in committee, HB 495\n("Assault Pistols" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 14-9 vote, HB\n496 (Gun Shows-Sale, Trade, or Transfer of regulated firearms) died\nin committee on a 19-6 vote, HB 601 (Firearms - Handguns - "Assault\nPistols" - Handgun Roster Board) was withdrawn, HB 683 (Rifles and\nShotguns - Registration) was withdrawn, HB 945 (Pistols and Revolvers\n- Private sales or transfers- required notice) died in committee,\nand HB 1128 Prince Georges County -\n Weapons - Free School Zone) was withdrawn.\n \nMississippi - HB 141, closing a loophole allowing felons to possess\nfirearms, passed both Houses and signed by the Governor. The bill\ncodifies into law mechanism for certain felons to have their Second\nAmendment liberties reinstated.\n \nNebraska - LB 83 and LB 225, mandatory trigger-lock bills, killed in\ncommittee.\n \nNew Hampshire - H.B. 363, providing for reciprocity for concealed\ncarry licenses passed. H.B. 671, increasing the term of a License\nto Carry Loaded Handguns passed.\n \nNew Mexico - SB 762, imposing a 7-day "waiting period," defeated in\nSenate committee (0-5) and then on floor of the Senate (15-24). HB\n182, mandatory storage legislation, was killed by a vote of 1-8 in\ncommittee. HB 230, legislation safeguarding sportsmen in the field\nfrom harassment by animal rights extremists, signed into law by the\nGovernor on March 30.\n \nNew York - Seven-day waiting period was defeated in the City of\nBuffalo. Ban on certain semi-autos was defeated in Monroe County.\nThe tax and fee bills to be imposed on guns and ammo were not\nincluded in the 1993-94 budget. SB 207, making pistol licenses\nprovides for validity of pistol license throughout the state, passed\nSenate. Currently awaiting action in Assembly committee.\n \nNorth Dakota - HB 1484, granting victims compensation in certain\ncircumstances, was signed into law by the Governor on April 8.\n \nOregon - SB 334, banning firearms on school grounds and in court\nbuildings, withdrawn as a result of gun owners opposition.\n \nRhode Island - HB 5273, mandatory firearms storage legislation,\ndefeated in committee by a vote of 8-5. HB 6347, an act prohibiting\naliens from owning firearm; defeated by unanimous vote in committee.\nHB 5650, excepting NRA instructors from the firearms safety\nrequirement, reported favorably. HB 5781, exempting persons with an\nAttorney General\'s permit from the 7-day waiting period, reported to\nthe floor by a vote of 11-1.\nHB 6917, extending the term of a permit to carry from two years to\nthree years, reported to the floor unanimously.\n \nUtah HB 290, reforming the state\'s concealed carry statute, passed\nout of House committee. SB 32, creating civil liability for\nso-called negligent storage of a firearm, and SB 33 creating the\noffense of "reckless endangerment" with a firearm, killed on Senate\nfloor.\n \nVirginia: S.B. 336, and S.B. 803, requiring proof of state residence\nto obtain Virginia Driver\'s License passed. S.B. 804, which\nincreases the penalty and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence for\n"straw man" purchases of multiple firearms passed. S.B. 858,\nallowing possession of "sawed-off" rifles and shotguns in compliance\nwith federal law passed. S.B. 1054, making it a felony for first\noffense of carrying a concealed firearm without a license (which the\nNRA opposes until law-abiding citizens can acquire a concealed carry\nlicense for self-defense), was defeated. H.B. 1900, increasing the\npenalty for use of a firearm in committing a felony was passed. H.B.\n2076, requiring proof of residence to obtain a driver\'s license\npassed. H.B. 2272, providing for a referendum on the imposition of a\nstatewide three- day "waiting period" in handgun purchases was\ndefeated.\n \nWashington: SB 5160, calling for waiting periods and licensing for\nall semi-automatic firearms, died in committee.\n \nWest Virginia - S.C.R. 18, which calls for a study to control\ntransfers of handguns and "Assault Weapons" was defeated in the\nSenate 24-10.\n \nWisconsin - In a referendum up against all odds, the determined\nefforts of the Madison Area Citizens Against Crime paid off on April\n6 when a nonbinding referendum banning the possession of handguns in\nMadison, Wisconsin, was defeated. Despite opposition to the ban --\naired largely by firearms owners at a series of public meetings on\nthe issue -- the Common Council voted on February 17 to place the\nreferendum on the ballot, allowing only seven weeks of campaigning to\nreverse public opinion on the controversial issue.\n \nAn October 1992 poll conducted by the Wisconsin State Journal found\n57% in support and 38% opposed, with 5% expressing no opinion. By\nelection day, of the more than 56,000 voters who went to the polls,\n51% cast ballots in opposition to the proposal while 49% voted to\nhave the Madison Common Council enact such a ban. The campaign\ncommittee, spearheaded by the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement and NRA-ILA,\nrelied on neighborhood canvassing, direct mail and radio/TV\nadvertising to educate voters on the civil liberties implications\nraised by enforcement of the ban if the referendum was approved.\n \nDespite the surprising defeat, it is expected that the Madison\ninitiative\'s chief proponent, Mayor Paul Soglin, will attempt to have\nthe Common Council enact an ordinance banning handguns.\n \n Downloaded from GUN-TALK (703-719-6406)\n A service of the\n National Rifle Association\n Institute for Legislative Action\n Washington, DC 20036\n-- \nLarry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com\n',
'From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server)\nSubject: Re: cause\nLines: 38\n\ntrajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:\n>norris@athena.mit.edu writes:\n> [some stuff deleted]\n>> Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of\n>> questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For\n>> example: why does the universe exist at all? \n> \n>Must there be a "why" to this? I ask because of what you also\n> assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no "why"\n> to His existence. So the question is reversed, "Why can\'t\n> we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to\n> "just exist"? Why must there be a "why" to the universe?"\n[remainder of message deleted]\n\nPardon me for replying to only a portion of your message :)\n\nThe reason we can say "God just exists" and can\'t say "The universe just \nexists" is because the universe is a natural realm and is subject to natural \nlaws in general and the law of cause and effect in particular. That is, we \nobserve in nature that every cause has an effect, and every effect was produced \nby a cause. The existence of the natural realm, as an effect itself, cannot be \nits own cause; it must therefore have a supernatural cause.\n\nGod, on the other hand, is a supernatural being, and is therefore not subject \nto such natural laws as the law of cause and effect. As a supernatural being, \nGod\'s eternal existence does not imply a previous cause the way the existence \nof a physical, natural cosmos does. Thus, those who believe in the \nsupernatural have a valid basis for accepting the existence of uncaused \nphenomena such as the eternal God, whereas those who deny the existence of the \nsupernatural are faced with the dilemma of a physical universe whose very \nnature shows that it is not sufficient to explain its own existence.\n\nThis is, of course, an oversimplification of a complex topic, but I just wanted \nto clarify some important differences between the supernatural (God) and the \nnatural (the universe), since you seem to mistake them as being \ninterchangeable.\n\n- Mark\n',
'From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre)\nSubject: Re: The Problem of Satan (used to be: islamic authority over women)\nOrganization: University of Nebraska at Omaha\nLines: 103\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.165233.1007@news.unomaha.edu> trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu \n (Stephen McIntyre) writes:\n\n> Of course, Bobby then states that Satan has no free will, that\n> he does as God wants him to. This brings up a host of\n> paradoxes: is God therefore evil; do I have free will\n> or is God directing me also; if God is evil, which part\n> of his infinite self is good and which is evil; etc.?\n\n> I would like for once a solid answer, not a run-about.\n\n# I hope I gave you a fairly solid answer to this one: I simply don\'t agree\n# with the embodied version of a Satan who is a separate creation or a force.\n# I wrote:\n\n>> The belief to which I ascribe is that evil is not a creation;\n>> rather, it is "the absence of good." This fits with all the\n>> logic about things having dual use: e.g., a knife can be used\n>> to sculpt and it can be used to kill. Like entropy, evil is\n>> seen in this view as neither force nor entity. Satan is,\n>> therefore, metaphorical. In fact, there are several verses\n>> of the Holy Qur\'an which appear to support this view and several\n>> Traditions as well.\n>\n>> For example, there is a Tradition that food should never be left open\n>> on a shelf or table overnight, lest "Satan" enter it. It appears\n>> that this is a reference to as yet undiscovered germs; thus, the\n>> evil effect of spoiled food is described as "Satan."\n\n>But there are many examples of Satan personified. Which am I\n> to believe?\n\n# And there are quite physical descriptions of Heaven and Hell in the\n# Holy Qur\'an, the Bible, etc. There have been times in the spiritual\n# and intellectual evolution of the modern human when these physical\n# descriptions of Heaven, Hell, and Satan were taken quite literally\n# and that *worked* for the time. As I mentioned in the Tradition\n# cited above, for example, it was sufficient in the absence of a theory\n# about germs and disease spread by worms to simply describe the "evil"\n# which was passed to a consumer of spoiled food as "satanic."\n\n Which begs the question: if Satan in this case is\n metaphorical, how can you be certain Allah is not\n the same way?\n\n# The bottom line here, however, is that describing a spiritual plane\n# in human language is something like describing "color" to a person\n# who has been blind from birth. You may want to read the book\n# FLATLAND (if you haven\'t already) or THE DRAGON\'S EGG. The first\n# is intended as a light hearted description of a mathematical con-\n# cept...\n\n[some deleted for space saving]\n\n# When language fails because it cannot be used to adequately describe\n# another dimension which cannot be experienced by the speakers, then\n# such conventions as metaphor, allegory, and the like come to be\n# necessary. The "unseen" is described in terms which have reference`\n# and meaning for the reader/listener. But, like all models, a compro-\n# mise must be made when speaking metaphorically: clarity and directness\n# of meaning, equivalence of perception, and the like are all\n# crippled. But what else can you do?\n\n This is why I asked the above. How would you then\n know God exists as a spirit or being rather than\n just being metaphorical? I mean, it\'s okay to say\n "well, Satan is just metaphorical," but then you\n have to justify this belief AND justify that God is\n not some metaphor for something else.\n\n I say this because there are many, many instances of\n Satan described as a being (such as the tormentor in \n the Old Testament book of Job, or the temptor in the\n New Testament Gospels). In the same way, God too is\n described as a being (or spirit.) How am I to know\n one is metaphorical and not the other.\n\n Further, belief in God isn\'t a bar to evil. Let\'s\n consider the case of Satanists: even if Satan were\n metaphorical, the Satanist would have to believe\n in God to justify this belief. Again, we have a \n case where someone does believe in God, but by\n religious standards, they are "evil." If Bobby\n does see this, let him address this question also.\n\n[deleted some more on "metaphor"]\n\n>> Obviously more philosophizing on this issue is possible, but I\'m\n>> not sure that the readers of this newsgroup would want to delve\n>> into religious interpretation further. However, if anyone wishes\n>> to discuss this, I\'m certainly willing (either off line - e-mail - or\n>> on line - posting).\n\nStephen\n\n _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian\n _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility\n_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz...\n\n\n-- \n',
'From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Did US drive on the left?\nArticle-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.060553.22453\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <YfkBJQS00Uh_E9TFo_@andrew.cmu.edu> "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>>>\n>\n[stuff about RHD deSoto\'s deleted]\n\n>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on\nAustralians still do drive on the "wrong" side of the road. I believe\nSweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped\nall the traffic signs around one Sunday....\n\n>the "wrong" side of the road, so the export market might have been\n>larger then than just the UK.\n>\nCraig\n',
'From: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein)\nSubject: WANTED: X & security posting\nOrganization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA\nLines: 20\n\nA few days ago there was a posting in this group by Andrea Winkler\ntitled "X and Security / X Technical Conference". I was one of the\ninstructors of that tutorial. Unfortunately, my system purged\nthe message before I had a chance to see it, and I don\'t have\nAndrea\'s email address. If someone has Andrea\'s address and/or\nthe posting, I would really appreciate it if you\'d forward it to\nme!\n\nThanks\n--Jeremy\n\nJeremy Epstein\t\t\tInternet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com\nTrusted X Research Group\tVoice: +1 703/803-4947\nTRW Systems Division\nFairfax Virginia\n-- \nJeremy Epstein\t\t\tInternet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com\nTrusted X Research Group\tVoice: +1 703/803-4947\nTRW Systems Division\nFairfax Virginia\n',
"From: support@qdeck.com (Technical Support)\nSubject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC?\nOrganization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <1qtk84$rn5@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes:\n>In article 14595639@wl.aecl.ca, harrisp@wl.aecl.ca () writes:\n>>I use DESQview/X and I think it is great. Where it really shines (IMHO) is\n>>to let unix users log into a pc and run dos and windows applications with\n>>the display going to their screens.\n>>You'll need to get:\n>>DESQview/X v 1.1\n>>DESQview/X v 1.1 $275 suggested retail\n>>DESQview/X to Other X Systems v 1.1 $200 suggested retail\n>>\n>>You also must be running a supported network (FTP softwares PCTCP,\n>>Novell Lan workplace for dos, Sun Microsystems PC-NFS, Beame and WHiteside,\n>>Wollongong pathway TCPIp or HP Microsoft Lan Manager)\n>>\n>>if you don't have any of this network stuff, Quarterdeck will give you a\n>>copy of Novell TCPIP transprot for dos with the Network manager.\n>>\n>>You can get more info by sending email to (appropriately) info@qdeck.com.\n\nActually, info@qdeck.com is our customer service department. If you have\ntechnical questions, you can write to support@qdeck.com.\n\n>>In my opinion, if you want to have other people logging in and running\n>>applications at your pc, you'll want to have a 486 33 with 16 Megs of RAM.\n>>Also, the Xwindows software in DESQviewX really seems to like an ET 4000\n>>(TSENG Labs chipset) based graphics card. Personally, I found that things\n>>ran better with a SCSI drive in the pc than with ESDI drives, but that is\n>>my experience only\n>\n>What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find\n>out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running\n>DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response\n>time. Anyone have any ideas ?? \n\nI expect the limiting factor will be your server machine, not the network\nitself. To give you a real-world example, here at Quarterdeck we have\nroughly 100 people using DVX to talk to a bunch of unix boxes, novell\nfile servers, and each other. It's not _too_ much of a load on our\nEthernet (with maybe 4 concentrators, so you have 20-30 people on each\nsegment). If you had a badly loaded net, or the apps you wanted to run\nwere very network intensive, you could run into some slowdowns.\n\nBut the biggest problem would be the machine itself. Say you have a 486\n33 with plenty of ram and a fast hard disk and network card. If you have\n10 people running programs off it, you're going to see some slowdowns\nbecause you're now on (effectively) a 3.3 MHz 486. Of course, DVX will\nattempt to see if tasks are idle and make sure they give up their time\nslice, but if you have 10 working programs running, you'll know it.\n\nHaving said that, if you can tweak the programs being run (by adding\nin calls to give up time slices when idle and that sort of\nthing), you could probably run 15-20 people on a given machine before\nyou started seeing slowdowns again (this time from network bandwidth).\nIt all really depends on what the programs are doing (ie. you're going\nto see a slowdown from X-bandwidth a lot sooner if your apps are all\ndoing network things also...)\n-- \n Quarterdeck Office Systems - Internet Support - Tom Bortels\n Pricing/Ordering : info@qdeck.com | Tech Questions : support@qdeck.com\n BBS: (310) 314-3227 * FAX: (310) 314-3217 * Compuserve: GO QUARTERDECK\n Q/Fax: (310) 314-3214 from touch-tone phone for Technotes On Demand!\n",
"From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nNntp-Posting-Host: digibd.digibd.com\nOrganization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN\nLines: 13\n\nbrian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:\n>In article <bskendigC5Ku3C.6Dx@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n>>I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me...\n\n>Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty. And to be honest as well, I\n>believe you have not asked my god to come to you. Why do I say this?\n\nBecause that would contradict your religious beliefs; therefore,\nyou feel more comfortable simply accusing his sincerity, so you will\nnot have to critically examine your religious beliefs.\n\n---\nMerlyn LeRoy\n",
'Subject: Diffs to sci.space/sci.astro Frequently Asked Questions\nFrom: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nExpires: 6 May 1993 19:50:16 GMT\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nSupersedes: <diffs_730956190@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nLines: 294\n\nArchive-name: space/diff\n\nDIFFS SINCE LAST FAQ POSTING (IN POSTING ORDER)\n\n(These are hand-edited context diffs; do not attempt to use them to patch\nold copies of the FAQ).\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.intro\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06400\tThu Apr 1 14:47:22 1993\n--- FAQ.intro\tThu Apr 1 14:46:55 1993\n***************\n*** 101,107 ****\n\t\t NASA Langley (Technical Reports)\n\t\t NASA Spacelink\n\t\t National Space Science Data Center\n-\t\t Space And Planetary Image Facility\n\t\t Space Telescope Science Institute Electronic Info. Service\n\t\t Starcat\n\t\t Astronomical Databases\n--- 101,106 ----\n***************\n*** 130,135 ****\n--- 129,135 ----\n\t LLNL "great exploration"\n\t Lunar Prospector\n\t Lunar science and activities\n+\t Orbiting Earth satellite histories\n\t Spacecraft models\n\t Rocket propulsion\n\t Spacecraft design\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.net\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06405\tThu Apr 1 14:47:24 1993\n--- FAQ.net\tThu Apr 1 14:46:57 1993\n***************\n*** 58,63 ****\n--- 58,67 ----\n elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources\n as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join.\n\n+ GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning\n+ System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to\n+ gps-request@esseye.si.com to join.\n+\n Space-investors is a list for information relevant to investing in\n space-related companies. Email Vincent Cate (vac@cs.cmu.edu) to join.\n\n***************\n*** 223,227 ****\n--- 227,241 ----\n 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact\n NASA personnel.\n\n+ Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None\n+ have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers\n+ detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA\n+ Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write\n+\n+\t NASA\n+\t Inspector General\n+\t P.O. Box 23089\n+\t L\'enfant Plaza Station\n+\t Washington DC 20024\n\n NEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc.\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.data\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06410\tThu Apr 1 14:47:26 1993\n--- FAQ.data\tThu Apr 1 14:46:54 1993\n***************\n*** 216,237 ****\n\t Telephone: (301) 286-6695\n\n\t Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov\n-\n-\n- SPACE AND PLANETARY IMAGE FACILITY\n-\n- Available 24 hours a day via anonymous FTP from pioneer.unm.edu. Has\n- approximately 150 CD-ROM\'s full of imagery, raw, and tabular data. To\n- start, get the file:\n-\n-\t pioneer.unm.edu:pub/info/beginner-info\n-\n- This will hopefully give you all of the information you need to get data\n- from their machine. beginner-info has been translated to other\n- languages, you should look inside pub/info for the particular language\n- that meets your needs.\n-\n- Contact help@pioneer.unm.edu.\n\n\n SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE\n--- 216,221 ----\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.math\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06415\tThu Apr 1 14:47:28 1993\n--- FAQ.math\tThu Apr 1 14:46:56 1993\n***************\n*** 60,65 ****\n--- 60,71 ----\n\t Gives series to compute positions accurate to 1 arc minute for a\n\t period + or - 300 years from now. Pluto is included but stated to\n\t have an accuracy of only about 15 arc minutes.\n+\n+ _Multiyear Interactive Computer Almanac_ (MICA), produced by the US\n+ Naval Observatory. Valid for years 1990-1999. $55 ($80 outside US).\n+ Available for IBM (order #PB93-500163HDV) or Macintosh (order\n+ #PB93-500155HDV). From the NTIS sales desk, (703)-487-4650. I believe\n+ this is intended to replace the USNO\'s Interactive Computer Ephemeris.\n\n _Interactive Computer Ephemeris_ (from the US Naval Observatory)\n distributed on IBM-PC floppy disks, $35 (Willmann-Bell). Covers dates\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.references\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06420\tThu Apr 1 14:47:30 1993\n--- FAQ.references\tThu Apr 1 14:46:59 1993\n***************\n*** 93,100 ****\n US Naval Observatory\n\t 202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem)\n\t 202-653-1507 General\n-\t 202-653-1545 Nautical Almanac Office (info on the Interactive\n-\t Computer Ephemeris)\n\n Willmann-Bell\n P.O. Box 35025\n--- 93,98 ----\n***************\n*** 138,151 ****\n SDI\'s SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a\n suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in\n mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to\n! orbit vehicle is uncertain at present; for considerably more detail on\n! the SSRT program, get the document\n\n!\t ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/DeltaClipper\n\n! by anonymous FTP or through the email server.\n\n\n HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON\n\n Official names are decided by committees of the International\n--- 136,151 ----\n SDI\'s SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a\n suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in\n mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to\n! orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present.\n\n! An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by\n! anonymous FTP or email server in the directory\n\n!\t bongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub/delta-clipper\n\n+ Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive.\n\n+\n HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON\n\n Official names are decided by committees of the International\n***************\n*** 223,228 ****\n--- 223,236 ----\n University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions,\n including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by\n various Orbiters.\n+\n+\n+ ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES\n+\n+ A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is\n+ available by anonymous FTP in:\n+\n+\t ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/Satellites\n\n\n SPACECRAFT MODELS\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.addresses\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06435\tThu Apr 1 14:47:34 1993\n--- FAQ.addresses\tThu Apr 1 14:46:51 1993\n***************\n*** 75,80 ****\n--- 75,85 ----\n\t the latter, an SF 171 is useless. Employees are Caltech employees,\n\t contractors, and for the most part have similar responsibilities.\n\t They offer an alternative to funding after other NASA Centers.\n+\n+\t A fact sheet and description of JPL is available by anonymous\n+\t FTP in\n+\n+\t ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/JPLDescription\n\n NASA Johnson Manned Space Center (JSC)\n Houston, TX 77058\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.new_probes\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06450\tThu Apr 1 14:47:38 1993\n--- FAQ.new_probes\tThu Apr 1 14:46:58 1993\n***************\n*** 8,13 ****\n--- 8,19 ----\n team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits.\n\n\n+ ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into\n+ Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20\n+ Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas\n+ scintillation proportional counters.\n+\n+\n CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint\n NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian\n system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini\n***************\n*** 98,115 ****\n\n\n MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire\n! surface at high resolution. Currently (11/92) in mapping cycle 4,\n! collecting a global gravity map.\n\n\n MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera.\n! Launched 9/24/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (3/93) in\n transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for\n one martian year (687 days).\n\n\n! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched in\n! August 1992 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the\n TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global\n observations of the sea level for several years, substantially\n increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also\n--- 104,121 ----\n\n\n MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire\n! surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity\n! map.\n\n\n MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera.\n! Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in\n transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for\n one martian year (687 days).\n\n\n! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched\n! 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the\n TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global\n observations of the sea level for several years, substantially\n increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also\n\n===================================================================\ndiff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.astronaut\n*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06465\tThu Apr 1 14:47:43 1993\n--- FAQ.astronaut\tThu Apr 1 14:46:52 1993\n***************\n*** 162,174 ****\n specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n!\t\t20/100 or better uncorrected,\n\t\tcorrectable to 20/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t\t140/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n! 3. Height between 60 and 76 inches.\n\n Pilot Astronaut Candidate:\n\n--- 162,174 ----\n specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n!\t\t20/150 or better uncorrected,\n\t\tcorrectable to 20/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t\t140/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n! 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches.\n\n Pilot Astronaut Candidate:\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death by Armenians.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 93\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.132954.4396@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:\n\n>How dare you presume that he even has a right to go around a newsgroup \n>with a desire to convince others of any external position he has. \n\nThey are news because they are the exceptions. And the \'Islamic Holocaust\'\nis much the topic of the day. The historical evidence proves that during \nthe period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, \nassisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people \nbecause of race, religion and national origin. Armenians perpetrated acts \nof sabotage, destroyed telephone cables, blew up bridges, blocked passes, \nset up ambushes, attacked security stations and small Turkish outposts \nbehind the Ottoman Army lines on the one hand, and on the other ruthlessly \nattacked Turkish and Kurdish villages, slaughtering the Turkish population \nindiscriminately, women, children, old and young alike. Innocent \nMuslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death, or massacred with \naxes and swords, or else shut up in mosques or in schools and then burnt\nalive as can be seen below.\n\nWidespread Armenian massacres of innocent Muslims took place in regions \nof Van, Kars, Sivas, Erzurum, Bitlis, Erzincan, Mus, Diyarbakir and \nMaras. The Ottoman Army, while fighting to prevent the Russian invasion,\nalso had to deal with Armenian genocide squads who cowardly hit from \nbehind. The Armenian genocide of the Muslims spread to all parts of \nEastern Anatolia. Starting from late 1914, Armenians committed \nwidespread massacres and genocide in Eastern Anatolia, because the arena\nwas left to the Armenians. Almost every Turkish town and village from \nErzincan up to Azerbaidjan suffered large scale massacres and genocide \nby Armenians and the Turkish genocide has been documented by Armenian, \nRussian, American, British, Ottoman, German, Austrian and French \njournalists and officers who observed the first genocide of this century\ncommitted by the blood-thirsty Armenian genocide squads.\n\nThe Ottoman Army, liberating Trabzon, Bayburt, Erzincan, Erzurum, \nKars and other regions from the Russians, saw that the cities and their \nvillages had been destroyed and burnt, people slaughtered, massacred.\nThe massacres conducted by Armenians, which became a black stain for\nhumanity, shocked and disgusted even the Russian, British, German,\nAustrian, French and American authorities.\n\nAlmost every Ottoman document is related to Armenian massacres and \ncruelties. The inhuman treatment, cruelties, atrocities, genocide by \nArmenian genocide squads perpetrated against innocent Moslem Turkish \nand Kurdish people, are sufficiently reflected in historical documents. \nEven today over seventy-five years later, the terrifying screams of \nthe victims of these cruelties can be heard.\n\n\nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n "Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer \n No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.\n (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, \n Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)\n\n\'Neues Wiener Tagblatt\' - Vienna, \'Pester Lloyd\' \'Local Anzliger\' - Berlin,\n\'Algemeen Handelsblat\' - Amsterdam, \'Vakit\' - Istanbul.\n\n"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and\n Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months\n have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I\n have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at \n almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from\n Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly\n slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to\n save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful\n events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then\n taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people \n well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these\n places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.\n They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the\n Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality\n problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers\n who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and\n Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the \n Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. \n I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is \n destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are \n speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as \n well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is \n proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."\n\n Dr. Stephan Eshnanie\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: University of Oulu, Finland\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 19\n\nI must correct the following in my previous posting:\n \n: If you are trying to be objective, you must also recognise that\n: \n: 1) the gospels are not independent sources, on the contrary, they\n: share much of the same material\n\nI should have been a bit more careful here - the gospels not only\ntell us about the same events, they usually use the same wordings.\nTextual analyses show that Matthew and Luke probably had a common\nsource, which may have influenced Mark, too.\n\nPetri\n\n--\n ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth.\n!___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of\n ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game.\n *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.\n",
'From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nDistribution: na\nLines: 38\n\nIn <C5HpG6.4LM@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:\n\n>kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes:\n[...]\n>> \n>> I would tend to call the offensive contributions even, but Alomar wins hands\n>> down in defensive capabilities. I\'m not just talking about the number of \n>> errors; nobody (including Lind!) has the range and athleticism at second base.\n>> I can\'t recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better\n>> than Alomar. \n\n>Well, why don\'t you look up those stats? Baerga may not be the best defensive\n>second baseman in the league, but he\'s damn good. Check the stats for DPs\n>last year and see for yourself.\n\nAccording to the Defensive Average stats posted by Sherri, Baerga had the\nhighest percentage of DPs turned in the league, while Alomar had the worst.\nHowever, Alomar had a higher Defensive Average. So who would be better?\n\nUsing Alomar\'s opportunities (469 groundballs, 73 possible double plays)\nAlomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 DPs.\nBaerga would have had (with same DA & DP%) 328 groundouts and 35 DPs.\n\nUsing Baerga\'s opportunites (545 groundballs, 99 possible double plays).\nAlomar would have had (with the same DA & DP%) 386 groundouts and 25 DPs.\nBaerga had 381 groundouts and 47 DPs.\n\nBaerga looks better, though it\'s possible his DP% would be lower with a \ndifferent SS.\n\nWill Baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays, however? Alomar\nhas established a high level of defense, Baerga has not. I would bet on\nAlomar to be better next year, but last year Baerga was just as good overall.\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large\n\n "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball\n',
'From: umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command)\nSubject: 256 Color Drivers\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1r2p1pINNp6\nReply-To: umeister@u.washington.edu\nDistribution: pnw\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu\n\nI would appreciate the driver name from CICA which functions as a 256\ncolor driver for a Quadtel video card. The type of chip or chipset used\nwould suffice as well.\n\n umeister@u.washington.edu\n',
"From: quan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan)\nSubject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <C52EqG.6H2@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:\n>nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes:\n>\n>>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)?\n>>Mine lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what\n>>I can tell, it looks like Apple welded it shut.\n>\n> You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2\n>seconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open\n>much like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn\n>at first but it is quite simple to open.\n>\n\nNope. I'm pretty sure that this person knows how to take the ball out.\nI think that what they want to do is take the mouse apart. The old mouse\nhad four screws on the bottom that you could unscrew to do this,\nwhile there's no obvious way to take the new one apart.\n\n\n--Tony\nquan@cs.stanford.edu\n\n",
"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)\nSubject: Re: ProLifer Or Terrorist Threat\nOrganization: Corporation for Open Systems\nDistribution: world \nLines: 22\n\nIn <1993Apr5.204531.9006@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:\n\n>In article <C4zA0H.IHD@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com writes:\n>>In article 1pamhpINN7d3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu, taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes:\n>>>I'm prepared to instruct individuals in the proper use and \n>>>handling of firearms. \n\n>>>As a Desert Storm vet with six years in the National Guard, I have a\n>>>great deal of experience in handling weapons and tactical training. \n\n\n>>ps: anyone up for a discussion of counter sniper operations?\n>>Security drills, Your Friend the Counter Terrorist Operation.....\n\n\n>If twit promises to train them in tactics and weapons handlings, I doubt\n>any of them will last long enough to become terrorists. Look for a sudden\n>rise in firearms accidents among the Fiends of the Fetus, though.\n\nBless you, Nadja, we needed a name for these Attack Puppies. Friends\nof the Fetus, or FOOF for short. :-)\n\n",
'From: dkusswur@falcon.depaul.edu (Daniel C. Kusswurm)\nSubject: Siggraph 1987 Course Notes\nNntp-Posting-Host: falcon.depaul.edu\nOrganization: DePaul University, Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 7\n\nI am looking for a copy of the following Siggraph publication: Gomez, J.E.\n"Comments on Event Driven Annimation," Siggraph Course Notes, 10, 1987.\n\nIf anyone knows of a location where I can obtain a copy of these notes, I\nwould appreciate if they could let me know. Thanks.\n\ndkusswur@falcon.depaul.edu\n',
"From: makey@VisiCom.COM (Jeff Makey)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: VisiCom Laboratories, Inc., San Diego, California\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C5so84.Hxv@demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:\n>I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen\n>to throw away her academic respectability like this.\n\nShe hasn't. Dorothy Denning has spent many years earning the\nprofessional respect of her colleagues, and something won in this\nmanner is not easily lost. Her support of the clipper -- no matter\nhow unpopular that position may be -- serves far more to enhance the\nclipper's respectability than to diminish her own.\n\n :: Jeff Makey\n\nDepartment of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department\n Disclaimer: All opinions are strictly those of the author.\n Domain: makey@VisiCom.COM UUCP: nosc!visicom!makey\n",
"From: sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven D Marcotte)\nSubject: Data corruption\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\n\nI quit windows normally to run a special DOS app, got done with it\nand tried to start windows. Ok got the title screen, Windows\nbackground, DOS with an error about loading PROGMAN.EXE. Hum, yep\nPROGMAN.EXE is still there. Must be bad, ok pull off PROGMAN.EXE\nfrom a backup tape, start windows, get the windows title screen,\nwindows background, DOS with the same error. HUM! Fire up the\ngood ol' Norton Disk Doctor, test, 500 lost clusters! Ok, fix them,\nand look through them, doesn't look important. Remove the Windows\ndirectory, and reinstall from disks. Fire up windows, title screen,\nbackground, Program Manager, Success! \n\nI have a 486/50 (Amy) with 4 meg of RAM, 120 meg HD, SVGA, running under\nDOS 5.0, no special memory managers or stuff, just the basic Windows 3.1\nA 12 meg permanent swap file using 32-bit Access. I mainly use Windows\nto run more that one DOS app at a time. (ie downloading with Qmodem\nwith a DOS window open, and possibly POV running in the background.) \n\nI've noticed that since I started using Windows a few months ago, lost\nclusters have gotten more and more common. Although I don't like\nhaving data just disappear, it really haven't been a problem except\nfor today. Has anyone else had any problems with lost clusters while\nrunning windows? And what could I do to fix the problem, I'd sleep\nbetter knowing Amy wasn't loosing her marbles. :)\n\nSteven\n--\nSteven Marcotte\t\t\tsdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\n\n\n",
"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: How to make simplest possible composite widget?\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 33\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\nNot being an Xt programmer by any stretch of the imagination, this is\ndriving me crazy and it's probably really simple to do.\n\nI need to make a composite widget that does nothing at all but is\nmerely a placeholder in a widget instance heirarchy -- allowing me an\nadditional resource name level.\n\nTo illustrate I have an application with the following widget\nheirarchy:\n\n\t Shell Widget\n\t |\n\tApplication Widghet\n\nI want the following:\n\n\t Shell Widget\n\t |\n\tIntermediate Widget\n\t |\n\t Application Widget\n\nwhere the intermediate widget has a name but gets all its other\nproperties (and propagates down new values) from the shell widget.\n\nI assume there's a simple way to do this but I can't find an example\nand the documentation I have is rather vague about implementing\ncomposite widgets.\n\nPlease respond via email. Any help will be very much appreciated.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n",
"From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nKeywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:\n>In article <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com>, jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell)\n> writes...\n>#>Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need \n>#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not\n>#> meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things,\n>#> please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks.\n># \n> Exactly my point. There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers.\n>\n> If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a\n> group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook\n> was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little\n> girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving)\n> honked her horn at the car with the boys in it. This is really upsetting\n> and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's. Doesn't your heart\n> just go out to that poor mother?\n> Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and\n> crime. Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in\n> dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are. At the same\n\nIt seems sad that people lose all perspective when they here about a\ncase of violence by teenagers...\n\nFor a little perspective:\n\nHow about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local\nagencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?\n\nDid you read about all the kids at Stanford who spent their spring\nbreaks helping out in inner city areas? What about the hundreds of\nvolunteers ( teenagers and others) who worked to clean up the mess\nafter the Rodney King riots in LA?\n\nHave you gone to your local high school play recently? Attended the\nschool orchestra performances? Have you seen how many kids volunteer\nto pick up trash, plant trees, do walk-a-thons? How many kids have\ntried to sell you stuff to benefit organizations they belong to? How\nmany girl scout cookies have you bought? How many chocolate bars for\ngood causes?\n\nThe media picks up on all the anomalies, the sensational...\n\nWhat about the wonderful teenagers all over the place who work hard at\nschool, get good grades, go to college (or to work) and make a real\ncontribution to our society?\n\nAll humans are teenagers at some time in their lives! Mother Theresa\nwas a teenager and so was Geoffrey Dahmer.\n\nIt is really sad to see so many people who buy the sensational\nreporting of the media as some kind of reflection of the world today!\nIt is a reflection of what is happening on the outer fringes of our\nsociety and nothing more...\n\nrf\n",
'From: vestman@cs.umu.se (Peter Vestman)\nSubject: 768x1024 Trident Driver Wanted!\nKeywords: Trident Driver\nOrganization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden\nLines: 12\n\nIs there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere. \nThis mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have\nnot been able to find it for Windows.\n\n(768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768)\n\nAny help is appreciated.\n\n---------------------------------\nPeter Vestman\nDep of Computing Science\nUniversity of Umea, Sweden\n',
'From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il\nSubject: Re: Ten questions about Israel\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem\nLines: 134\n\nIn article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:\n>\n> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n> Subject: Ten questions about Israel\n>\n>\n> Ten questions to Israelis\n> -------------------------\n>\n> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to\n> provide\n> accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are\n> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by\n> people around me.\n>\n> 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don\'t recognize\n> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens\n> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as\n> Israelis ?\n\n\nAlthough the Hebrew expression LE\'UM is used, the ID card specifically states on\nthe 2nd page: EZRACHUT YISREALIT: Israeli citizen. This is true for all\nIsraeli citizens no matter what their ethnicity. In the United States most\nofficial forms have RACE (Caucasian, Black, AmerIndian, etc.).\n\n>\n> 2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders\n> and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to\n> state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be\n> ?\n>\n\nFunny, I have a number of maps and ALL of them have fixed borders.\n\n\n\n> 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,\n> could you provide any evidence ?\n\nProbably yes. So what ?\n\n\n\n>\n> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of\n> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their\n> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are\n> state secrets ?\n\n\nApart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there was one\nother espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona Biological\nInstitute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried "in camera". I wouldn\'t exactly\ncall it a state secret. The trial was simply tried behind closed doors. I hate\nto disappoint you but the United States has tried a number of espionage cases\nin camera.\n\n\n>\n> 5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied\n> territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews?\n>\n\nNot Jews. Israeli citizens. Jordanian law is in effect in the West Bank but the\nKNESSET passed a law that Israeli law would be binding on Israeli citizens\nresiding in the West Bank. These citizens could be Jews, Israeli Muslims, Druze,\nor Israeli Christians. It has NOTHING to do with religion.\n\n\n\n\n> 6. Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48\n> to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their\n> Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ?\n\nAnyone who was registered (Jew, Muslim, Christian) could return. You might be\nconfusing this with the census taken in June 1967 on the West Bank after the\nSix Day War. In *this* instance, if the Arab was not physically present he\ncouldn\'t reside on the West Bank (e.g. if he had been visting Jordan).\n\n\n>\n> 7. Is it true that Israel\'s Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed\n> an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in\n> Bosnia-Herzegovina ?\n>\n\nNo. Not even if you drowned him in bourbon, scotch or brandy :-)\n\n\n\n> 8. Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as\n> members in kibbutzim?\n\nNot true. Although a minority, there *are* some Israeli Arabs living on\nkibbutzim. On the other hand, at my age (42) I wouldn\'t be admitted to a\nkibbutz nor could the family join me. Not that I would be so thrilled to do so\nin the first place. The kibbbutz movement places candidates under rigorous\nmembership criteria. Many Israeli Jews are not admitted.\n\n\n>\n> 9. Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage\n> marriages between Jews and non-Jews ?\n\nThe religious status quo in Israel has marriage and divorce handled by the\nreligious courts. The RABBANUT handles marriage and divorce for Jews, the\nMuslim SHAARIA courts are for Muslims, the Christian denominations have their\nreligious courts, and the Druze have their own courts. The entire religious\nestablishment (Jewish, Muslim, Druze, Christian) wants to keep it that way.\n\n>\n> 10. Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the\n> site of a muslim cemetery ?\n\nI believe it\'s adjacent to a former Muslim cemetary. From what I heard (and I\'d\nlike to get feedback from Muslins on the net) sanctity of cemetaries is not\nheld that sancrosanct as it is held by Jews. The current Israeli Ministry of\nTrade and Industry on Agron Road in Jerusalem is housed in a former hotel that\nwas built by Arabs in the 1920\'s on the site of an Arab cemetary.\n\n\nJosh\nbackon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL\n\n\n\n>\n\n\n> Thanks,\n>\n> Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is\n\n',
'From: moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!)\nSubject: The Bob Dylan Baseball Abstract\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 49\n\n\nJust a little something I found while reading the Village Voice, which\nis not noted for its sports coverage, but occasionally the print some\ninteresting features. This year, the predictions/team analyses for\nthe 1993 season were presented in the form of Bob Dylan lyrics. I\ndon\'t have the article in front of me, so I\'ll only give the memorable\nones here that I remember and know the melody to. I could dig up more\nif there is interest.\n\nYankess (to the tune of "Subterranean Homesick Blues")\n\nHowe is in the basement, mixing up the medicine.\nGeorge is on the pavement thinking \'bout the government.\nWade Boggs in a trench coat, bat out, paid off,\nSays he\'s got a bad back, wants to get it laid off.\nLook out kids, it\'s somethin\' you did.\nDon\'t know when, but it\'s Columbus again.\n\nMets (to the tune of "Like a Rolling Stone")\n\nOnce upon a time you played so fine\nyou threw away Dykstra before his prime, didn\'t you?\nPeople said "Beware Cone, he\'s bound to roam"\nBut you thought they were just kidding you.\nYou used to laugh about, \nThe Strawberry that was headin\' out.\nBut now you don\'t talk so loud,\nNow you don\'t seem so proud,\nAbout having to shop Vince Coleman for your next deal....\n\nPhillies (to the tune of "Highway 61")\n\nWell Daulton and Dykstra should have some fun,\nJust keep them off of Highway 61!\n\nGiants (to the tune of "The Ballad of Rubin \'Hurricane\' Carter")\n\nThis is the story of the Magowan,\nThe man St. Petersburg came to pan,\nFor something that he never done,\nHe sits in the owner\'s box but one...\nDay he could have been the Tampian of the world!\n\n_______________________________________________________________________________\nBill Moakler\t\t |\tLPO 10280 |\t!RUTGERS ANIME!\nmoakler@remus.rutgers.edu| PO BOX 5064 | !ATLANTIC ANIME ALLIANCE!\n(908)-932-3465 \t |New Brunswick, NJ 08903| !CHIBI-CON \'93!\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n \t I am not an OTAKU; I am a FREE MAN!\n',
"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)\nSubject: Re: Go Hizbollah II!\nReply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: traver.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Engineering College, Colorado State University\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:\n|> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that \n|> \tthe Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's \n|> \tholding to the security zone. \n|> \n|> Noam\n\n\n\nI only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point\nand I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians.\n\nBasil \n\n\n",
"From: mrf4276@egbsun12.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew R. Feulner)\nSubject: Re: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010?\nNntp-Posting-Host: egbsun12.draper.com\nOrganization: Draper Laboratory\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.234427.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n|> Okay here is what I have so far:\n|> \n|> Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon,\n|> set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does\n|> that mean no resupply or ?? \n|> \n|> Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money.\n\n\nMy first thought is Ross Perot. After further consideration, I think he'd\nbe more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third.\n\nTry Bill Gates. Try Sam Walton's kids.\n\nMatt\n\nmatthew_feulner@qmlink.draper.com\n",
'Subject: Re: Washington State\nFrom: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)\nOrganization: Harvard University Science Center\nNntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Mar30.191157.8338@synapse.bms.com> hambidge@bms.com writes:\n>In article <93088.191742U23590@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n>>What is a CCW\n>Acronym for Concealed Carrying of Weapon; basically, a permit to carry\n>a concealed pistol or revolver.\n\nI phoned Licensing Division in Washington State to ask for an application\nfor a CCW. Instead they promptly sent me an applicationfor becoming a \nfirearms dealer in Washington!\n\nThey even sent me a firearms safety pamphlet.\n-Case Kim\n\n\n',
'From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)\nSubject: Ellipse Again\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 39\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu\nKeywords: ellipse\n\n\nHi! Everyone,\n\nBecause no one has touched the problem I posted last week, I guess\nmy question was not so clear. Now I\'d like to describe it in detail:\n\nThe offset of an ellipse is the locus of the center of a circle which\nrolls on the ellipse. In other words, the distance between the ellipse\nand its offset is same everywhere.\n\nThis problem comes from the geometric measurement when a probe is used.\nThe tip of the probe is a ball and the computer just outputs the\npositions of the ball\'s center. Is the offset of an ellipse still\nan ellipse? The answer is no! Ironically, DMIS - an American Indutrial\nStandard says it is ellipse. So almost all the software which was\nimplemented on the base of DMIS was wrong. The software was also sold\ninternationaly. Imagine, how many people have or will suffer from this bug!!!\nHow many qualified parts with ellipse were/will be discarded? And most\nimportantly, how many defective parts with ellipse are/will be used?\n\nI was employed as a consultant by a company in Los Angeles last year\nto specially solve this problem. I spent two months on analysis of this\nproblem and six months on programming. Now my solution (nonlinear)\nis not ideal because I can only reconstruct an ellipse from its entire\nor half offset. It is very difficult to find the original ellipse from\na quarter or a segment of its offset because the method I used is not\nanalytical. I am now wondering if I didn\'t touch the base and make things\ncomplicated. Please give me a hint.\n\nI know you may argue this is not a CG problem. You are right, it is not.\nHowever, so many people involved in the problem "sphere from 4 poits".\nWhy not an ellipse? And why not its offset?\n\nPlease post here and let the others share our interests \n(I got several emails from our netters, they said they need the\nsummary of the answers).\n\nYeh\nUSC\n',
'Organization: Central Michigan University\nFrom: Martin D. Hill <32GFKKH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>\nSubject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee\nLines: 24\n\nWell put, Jason. I am not from Wisconsin, but I have close relatives who\nlive in Port Washington (about 30 minutes north of Milwaukee), I visit the\ncity regularly, and I have been in the Bradley four times to see the Admirals\nplay and the NCAA Hockey Championships. It is a beautiful building. The\nPettits and the city like to promote it as the best facility for hockey in\nNorth America.\nAs to what will happen with the Admirals if Milwaukee does acquire a\nfranchise, word is the team will move to Green Bay and play in the Brown\nCounty Arena.\nOnce again, the Admirals are an independent franchise, and the people of\nMilwaukee have been supporting them well. The games I have been to have seen\ncrowds anywhere from 10,000 to 13,000, which are numbers some NHL teams (i.e.\nthe Islanders, Hartford, New Jersey) would be envious of having on some nights.\nPlus the fact that the city is able to support a minor league franchise without\nthe glamour of having an NHL club affiliated to it is testimony to the amount\nof hockey interest exists in the city.\n\nSincerely,\n\nMartin Hill, Rt. 2, Box 155B, Sault Ste. Marie, MI (Home of LSSU: Go Lakers!)\n\nP.S. Anybody know what the attendance figures are for the IHL and how\nMilwaukee stacks up against other IHL cities such as Atlanta, Phoenix, San\nDiego, Cleveland, and Cincinnati? If so, please reply.\n',
'From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 44\n\nIn <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n>What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of\n>proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car\n>cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access\n>to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the\n>time? Of course they don\'t and that\'s the point I was trying to make. Every\n>day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I\n>see are still carrying revolvers.\n\nSo? Look in the trunk some time. Heck - look at the dash. That\nfunny thing attached with a quick-release is a gun. The ones in the\ntrunk are "better". (I don\'t have numbers for Chicago, but\nPhiladelphia police cars carried multiple automatic weapons and\nthousands of rounds as standard issue in the 60s.)\n\n>Not that there is anything wrong with a\n>revolver but if you\'re a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple\n>of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you\'re going to be at a\n>disadvantage even with training.\n\nWhat is the nature of this disadvantage? If the cop can shoot, 6\nrounds will do the job against a single opponent (especially since the\ncop has guaranteed backup). If the "gang member" can shoot, the extra\nrounds don\'t help. The only time this difference can matter is if\nneither can shoot, and cops aren\'t supposed to be throwing lead around\nlike that.\n\nBTW - most cops carry multiple guns. You\'re not supposed to know\nabout the second, third, and so on.\n\n>I have been at a shooting range where\n>gang members were "practicing" shooting.\n\nHow do "we" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops\nor even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes?\n\nThey were actually practicing\n>taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target\n>and they weren\'t doing too badly either.\n\nThen the extra rounds won\'t make any difference, so why is it an issue?\n\n-andy\n--\n',
'From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 20\n\n>>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1\n>>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons???\n>>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your\n>>> jokes:-)!\n>> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I\'m sure you\'ll see the humour...\n>If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the\n>origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding.\n\n\tWhat about his rectum?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS! ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou)\nSubject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11\nOrganization: Kernel Hackers \'r\' Us\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu\nIn-reply-to: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca\'s message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 11:41:36 GMT\n\nIn article <C528HE.I1q@news.ucs.mun.ca> rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Roderick Campbell) writes:\n=>There is a free unix, linux, that has cc, ~c++, fortran ( f2c ),\n=>Xwindows and many other features besides, with a large number of utilities\n=>that can be optionally added. And there is also a free 386BSD I believe.\n=>Both these unix\'s are quite robust. You can check out comp.os.linux\n\ni dunno about linux, but for 386bsd, don\'t forget networking\n(well tested, at that), NFS, a fast, incredibly stable filesystem,\nand the list goes on... 8-)\n\nfor us 386bsd folk, look in comp.os.386bsd.*.\n\n\n\n\nchris\nmoderator of comp.os.386bsd.announce, anti-politician, and sometime evangelist\n--\nChris G. Demetriou cgd@cs.berkeley.edu\n\n "386bsd as depth first search: whenever you go to fix something you\n find that 3 more things are actually broken." -- Adam Glass\n',
'From: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Concerning God\'s Morality (long)\nOrganization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 56\n\t<1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com>\n\n\njbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n> > Sorry, but there are no supernatural\n> > forces necessary to create a pathogen. You are saying, "Since\n> > diseases are bad, the bad entity must have created it." So\n> > what would you say about acid rain, meteors falling from the\n> > sky, volcanoes, earthquakes, and other QUOTE UNQUOTE "Acts\n> > of God?" \n> \n> I would say that they are not "acts of God" but natural\n> occurrences.\n\nIt amazes me that you have the audacity to say that human creation was not\nthe result of the natural process of evolution (but rather an "act of God")\nand then in the same post say that these other processes (volcanos et al.)\nare natural occurrences. Who gave YOU the right to choose what things are\nnatural processes and what are direct acts of God? How do you know that\nGod doesn\'t cause each and every natural disaster with a specific purpose\nin mind? It would certainly go along with the sadistic nature I\'ve seen in\nthe bible.\n\n> >>Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of\n> >>disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since\n> >>humanity forsook God\'s protection. If we choose to live apart from\n> >>God\'s law (humanity collectively), then it should come as no surprise\n> >>that there are adverse consequences to our (collective) action. One\n> >>of these is that we are left to deal with disease and disorders which\n> >>inevitably result in an entropic universe.\n> > \n> > May I ask, where is this \'collective\' bullcrap coming from? \n>\n> By "collective" I was referring to the idea that God works with\n> humanity on two levels, individually and collectively. If mankind\n> as a whole decides to undertake a certain action (the majority of\n> mankind), then God will allow the consequences of that action to\n> affect mankind as a whole.\n\nAdam & Eve (TWO PEOPLE), even tho they had the honor (or so you christians\nclaim) of being the first two, definitely do NOT represent a majority in\nthe billions and trillions (probably more) of people that have come after\nthem. Perhaps they were the majority then, but *I* (and YOU) weren\'t\naround to vote, and perhaps we might have voted differently about what to\ndo with that tree. But your god never asked us. He just assumes that if\nyou have two bad people then they ALL must be bad. Hmm. Sounds like the\nsame kind of false generalization that I see many of the theists posting\nhere resorting to. So THAT\'s where they get it... shoulda known.\n\n> Jim B.\n\nNanci\n\n.........................................................................\nIf you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me\nemail (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):\nLying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others.\n\n',
"From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)\nSubject: Re: March for Jesus\nReply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 16\n\nThe only info I have is my area is not having a large march. They are leaving\nit up to each congragation. IMO this means organizers found it too difficult\nto manage or no one feels the need to be involved.\n\nI'm not casting stones, my involvement with the Lord does not include the March\nthis year. Maybe He is giving a message by the lack of one?? JLS\n\n=============================================================================\nJerry L Storrs, Systems Manager ||| U Got 2 B Tru,\nDept of Chemical Engineering\t ||| U Got 2 B Livin' What U Say U Believe\nNorth Carolina State University ||| U Got 2 B Tru,\nRaleigh, NC 27695\t\t ||| Even when nobody but Jesus is watchin U\n919-515-6393 (-3465 FAX)\t |||\nstorrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred) |||\t\t\t(Steven Curtis Chapman)\n\t\t\t<>< |||\n=============================================================================\n",
'Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute\nFrom: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>\nSubject: Re: Cobra Locks\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 33\n\nGreetings netters,\n\nSteve writes ... <about Cobra Locks>\n\nWell I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took\npossesion of a 12\' Cobra Links lock, 1" diameter. This was a special order.\n\nI weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder\nafter about two blocks.\n\nI have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD\npadlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two\nfront spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a\npost in an underground parking garage.\n\nNext Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on\nme bike.\n\nWhen I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home.\n\nBy the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links\nand encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of\nthem) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The\nguys were really great and didn\'t mark up the price of the lock much\nand the inner tubes were free.\n\nLater.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n1992 FXSTC Rock \'N Roll Mike Mychalkiw\nHOG Ryerson Polytechnical Institute -\nDoD #665 Just THIS side of HELL. Academic Computing Information Centre\ndoh #0000000667 Just the OTHER side. EMAIL : ACAD8059@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA\n',
'From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)\nSubject: Fujitsu and Seagate IDE Drive Compatibility\nOrganization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK\nLines: 17\n\nI\'ve been trying to get my Fujitsu M2611T 45mb hard disk (circa \n1990) to share my IDE card with a new Seagate ST3283A 245mb one. \nI\'ve tried fiddling the jumpers to set the master and slave drives \nwithout any success [without the table of hard drive specs from \nthis newsgroup I couldn\'t have got that far].\n\nHas anyone else got this combination to work. The place I got the\nnew one muttered something like "Hmmm Fujitsu, nice drives, not\nvery compatible." He\'ll let me swap the Seagate for another brand \nbut he thought it was more a problem with the Fujitsu.\n\nSo has anyone got a similar Fujitsu drive to work with another cheapish \ndisk ... or want to buy a cute and cuddly little Fujitsu drive ?\n\n\nAndrew Henry\nbspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk\n',
"From: rog@cdc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)\nSubject: Re: sex problem.\nArticle-I.D.: news.C52E58.L8G\nOrganization: HP California Design Center, Santa Clara, CA\nLines: 15\nNntp-Posting-Host: hammer.cdc.hp.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nlarry silverberg (ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet) wrote:\n> Hello out there,\n\n> She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet).\n\nInteresting. Does she know you have placed this info request on the\nnet for the world to see? If not, how do you think she would react\nif she found out? Why would you accept the advice of unknown entities\nrather than a counselor?\n\n> Any suggestions would be appreciated.\n\nSee the counselor.\n\nWell, you asked.\n",
'From: hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\nSubject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 25\n\nkoc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes:\n\n>> Problem 1\n>> \n>> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the \n>> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary\n>> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. \n>> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, \n>> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third \n>> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were \n>> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from\n>> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the \n> massacre.\n>> \n\n>Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760\n\n>Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all,\n> they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.\n\n Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to\nlose count around 1.5 million.\n\nHovig\n\n',
'From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Settlers Demolish a Mosque in Gaza\nOrganization: Manchester Computing Centre\nLines: 41\n\nIn <C5IwxM.G0z@news.chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:\n\n>In article <kutluk.734797558@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:\n>>Atheists are not\n>>mentioned in the Quran because from a Quranic point of view, and a\n>>minute\'s reasoning, one can see that there is no such thing.\n\n> But there are people who say that they are Atheists. If they aren\'t Atheists,\n>what are they?\n\nWhen the Quran uses the word *din* it means way of individual thinking, behaving,\ncommunal order and protocols based on a set of beliefs. This is often\ninterpreted as the much weaker term religion. \n\nThe atheists are not mentioned in the Quran along with Jews,\nMushriqin, Christians, etc. because the latter are all din. To have a\ndin you need a set of beliefs, assumptions, etc, to forma a social\ncode. For example the Marxist have those, such as History, Conflict,\netc. That they do not put idols (sometimes they did) to represent\nthose assuptions does not mean they are any different from the other\nMushriq, or roughly polytheists. \n\nThere cannot be social Atheism, because when there is a community,\nthat community needs common ideas or standard beliefs to coordinate \nthe society. When they inscribe assumptions, say Nation, or "Progress is \nthe natural consequence of Human activity" or "parlamentarian\ndemocracy is doubtlessly the best way of government", however \nthey individually insist they do not have gods, from the Quranic point\nof view they do. Therefore by definition, atheism does not exist. \n"We are a atheist society" in fact means "we reject the din other than\nours". \n\nAtheism can only exist when people reject all the idols/gods/dogmas/\nsuppositions/.. of the society that they part, and in that case that\nis a personal deviation of belief, and Quran tells about such\ndeviations and disbelief. But as I mentioned, from a Quranic point of\nlooking at things, there is no Atheism in the macro level. \n\nI think it took more than one minute.\n\nKutluk\n',
'From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\n\nSome birds require constant management for survival. Pointing a sensor at\nthe sun, even when powered down, may burn it out. Pointing a\nparabolic antenna at Sol, from venus orbit may trash the\nfoci elements.\n\nEven if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some\ncosmic phenomena. \n\npat\n',
"From: croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney)\nSubject: Re: CNN for sale\nOrganization: Gotham Communications Research\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 10\n\n\nI will add my voice to the (hopefully) growing multitudes.\n\nI hereby pledge $1000.00 towards the purchase of CNN, under the same conditions\nas already described. I will also post this idea on the other nets I can \naccess (RIME and Libernet).\n\nWe may have to organize this ourselves, so I am looking for help.\n\nFrank Ney N4ZHG EMT-A LPVa NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA 'M-O-U-S-E'\n",
"From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nArticle-I.D.: pony.1993Apr15.223040.8733\nOrganization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:\n>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and\n>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish\n>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up\n>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and\n>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know\n>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but\n>humor us. Thanks for your help.\n\nHank Greenberg, Sid Gordon, Ron Blomberg.\n\nGuess it goes from the sublime to the ridiculous.\n",
'From: vbv@lor.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <Apr.22.00.56.15.1993.2073@geneva.rutgers.edu> hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes:\n\n>A similar analogy might be a medical doctor who believes that a blood \n>transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child whose parents are \n>Jehovah\'s Witnesses and so have conscientious objections to blood \n>transfusion. The doctor\'s efforts to persuade them to agree to a blood \n>transfusion could be perceived to be arrogant in precisely the same way as \n>Christians could be perceived to be arrogant.\n\n>The truth or otherwise of the belief that a blood transfusion is necessary \n>to save the life of the child is irrelevant here. What matters is that the \n>doctor BELIEVES it to be true, and could be seen to be trying to foce his \n>beliefs on the parents, and this could well be perceived as arrogance.\n\nLet me carry that a step further. Most doctors would not claim to be \ninfallible. Indeed, they would generally admit that they could conceivably\nbe wrong, e.g. that in this case, a blood tranfusion might not turn out to \nbe necessary after all. However, the doctors would have enough confidence\nand conviction to claim, out of genuine concern, that is IS necessary. As\nfallible human beings, they must acknowledge the possibility that they are\nwrong. However, they would also say that such doubts are not reasonable,\nand stand by their convictions.\n\n-- \nVirgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng\'g and Applied Physics \n\t CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee\n "Bullwinkle, that man\'s intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a \n "Not very well. He doesn\'t look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.\n',
'From: throopw%sheol@concert.net\nSubject: Re: Clipper considered harmful\nLines: 59\n\n: From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)\n: Message-ID: <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu>\n: It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications\n: would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future\n: probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained.\n\nI think it is unlikely that data like this could be used in court.\nCurrently LEAs can install wiretaps on large numbers of phones, record\ncalls without listening to them, and then post-facto obtain warrants\nand listen to calls after probable cause is established. But this\nstrategy wouldn\'t get the stuff admitted in court. (At least, not\nin the near term.)\n\nIn other words, near as I can tell, the thing that makes such evidence\ninadmissable is the interception without a warrant, not the attempt to\ninterpret what was intercepted without a warrant. I\'d be surprised\nthat archiving data without consent would be interpreted as anything\nbut analogous to a wiretap by the courts.\n\nNote that that doesn\'t mean I think it won\'t be done if technically\nfeasible. Just as I\'m sure many wiretaps are done now without\nwarrants, just to fish for avenues to investigate. So in the future,\nstart surveilance, start archiving data, trump up some probable cause,\ndecrypt post-facto after the warrant is in hand, and the investigation\ngets a boost from data that, sadly, won\'t ever be presented to a jury.\n\nWhile I\'m posting... for an interesting cautionary tale projecting this\narchiving scenario to extremes, read "Lacey and his Friends", a\ncollection of sf stories by David Drake. The US starts down the\nslippery slope by archiving *everyghing*. But don\'t worry folks, it\'s\nstored in a secure repository where nobody but LEAs with warrants can\nget to it. And by the way, we\'ll be installing cameras on all major\nstreets. Hey, this is nothing new, we already have cameras in banks and\nteller machines, don\'t we?\n\nAnd then we\'ll pass laws requiring cameras covering *all* public\nplaces. Then in some private places. Then we\'ll make it a crime ever\nto be out of range of a camera, except in legally licensed privacy\ncubicles. Only alone. And with a thorough body search before and\nafter. But, see, there\'s still a right to privacy. We haven\'t\ncurtailed any rights, not really. And just think how much easier it\'d\nbe to solve crimes in such a situation: just obtain a warrant, put on a\nVR helmet and take a walk down memory lane.\n\nAnd hey, nobody\'ll be tracking *you* or *me*, no need to be self-conscious.\n\nAfter all, if you\'re not doing anything illegal...\n\nFunny, though. While speeding and the radar detector industry became\npretty much a thing of the past, somehow all this didn\'t elminate all\ncrime in the story. And somehow, politicians got exemptions on grounds\nof national security, and rich corporations got exemptions for their\nexecs on grounds of industrial espionage and the preservation of\ncompetition. And not everybody was exactly happy with the system. \nI can\'t imagine why.\n\n--\nWayne Throop throopw%sheol@concert.net\n throop%aurgate@concert.net\n',
'From: jackw@boi.hp.com (jack wood)\nSubject: BBB Autoline Arbitration\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nKeywords: bbb arbitration lemon\nLines: 46\n\n\nMy BBB Autoline arbitration experience is over. \nThe outcome was decidedly mixed. I won the battle but \nlost the war. The arbitrator found that the car was \ndefective, but decided to offer a repurchase well below \nmarket value :(. At the time of the hearing, average \nretail on my truck in the NADA book was $21,025, but \nthe decision was for $17,665. I wrote a letter to the \nCouncil of Better Business Bureaus pointing out the \nfact that if you have an automobile that does not \ndepreciate rapidly, the manufacturer has no incentive \nto deal with you. There is no way that the \nmanufacturer can loose because they can turn around and \nsell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded \na repurchase. The attitude of Chevrolet\'s \nrepresentative at the hearing tends to support this \npoint of view; he was totally unprepared and did not \nseem to take the proceeding very seriously.\n\nI decided to take the repurchase, even though I am \ngetting totally screwed on the price. I will not have \nto deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon \nmyself, and I have no case for a civil suit based on \nthe Idaho lemon law. I am planning to send a letter to \nmy elected representatives telling them how utterly \nridiculous the Idaho lemon law is. The law allows for \na "use deduction" equal to the IRS mileage allowance. \nAs if Chevrolet were buying my gas and paying \nfor my insurance.\n\nSummary of the case: In May 1992 I bought a new 3/4 ton\nHD Chevrolet pickup. Between May 1992 and December 1992 \nthis vehicle required repair after repair. Systems \nthat required attention included the transmission, \nheater fan, paint, suspension, and motor. The main \nproblem was the five speed manual transmission. They \ncould not install a non-defective transmission in at \nleast four attempts.\n\nSo, in summary, it is possible to get a repurchase, but \nyou are going to get screwed on the price, unless you \npaid too much in the first place, or if your car \nhappens to be a model that depreciates rapidly.\n\njackw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com\n\n',
'From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)\nSubject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?\nArticle-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcvo$2q9\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10]\n\nMark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:\n: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990\n: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles\n: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees\n: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the\n: bike.\n\n: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this\n: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life\n: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with\n: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is\n: for cars?.\n\n: Thanks for any advice you can give.\n\n: --Mark\n\n\n--\n _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________\n| |\n| Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 |\n| Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. |\n| 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 |\n| Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com |\n|______________________________________________________________|\n',
"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)\nSubject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com\nOrganization: Cray Research Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nThe Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:\n: uzun@netcom.com (William Roger Uzun) writes:\n\n: >I have a SoundBlaster board in a 486-SX PC, and I have it\n: >jumpered to IRQ 7, port 220h. Will this conflict with my\n: >parallel port? I just have an IDE controller, a multi-IO board\n: >with 2ser, 1Par port and a VGA board. Should I choose\n: >another IRQ besides 7? Or is IRQ 7 safe to use on 486 Motherboards?\n\n: Recently I was adding a modem to my computer, and I noticed that LPT1 uses\n: IRQ-7 and so does my SB card (220h). I've never had a problem, but I'm\n: just wondering why not. I thought this would cause a conflict. \n\nI would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain\nwhy the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so.\nThanks\n\n--\n_____________________________________________________________________________\nTom Huot \t\t\t \nhuot@cray.com \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n",
"From: santac@aix.rpi.edu (Christopher James Santarcangelo)\nSubject: FORSALE: 1982 Yamaha Seca 650 Turbo\nKeywords: forsale seca turbo\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 17\n\nI don't want to do this, but I need money for school. This is\na very snappy bike. It needs a little work and I don't have the\nmoney for it. Some details:\n\n\t~19000 miles\n\tMitsubishi turbo\n\tnot asthetically beautiful, but very fast!\n\tOne of the few factory turboed bikes... not a kit!\n\tMust see and ride to appreciate how fun this bike is!\n\nI am asking $700 or best offer. The bike can be seen in\nBennington, Vermont. E-mail for more info!\n\nThanks,\nChris\nsantac@rpi.edu\n\n",
"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)\nSubject: CLINTON: Public Schedule of the President 4.5.93\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 34\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n THE WHITE HOUSE \n\n Office of the Press Secretary\n_________________________________________________________________\nFor Immediate Release April 5, 1993\n\n\n\n\n PUBLIC SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT\n TUESDAY, APRIL 6, 1993\n\n\n\n11:15 AM EST \t PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS with \n Egyptian President Mubarek, the East Room, \n The White House\n\n \t Open Press\n\n\n\n\n FUTURE SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT\n\n\nAPRIL 16, 1993 \t PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Japanese Prime \n Minister Miyazawa, the White House\n\n\nAPRIL 26, 1993 \t PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Italian \n President Amato, the White House\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenian-Nazi Collaboration During World War II.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <2BC0D53B.20378@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n>Is it possible to track down "zuma" and determine who/what/where "seradr" \n>is? \n\nDone. But did it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, \nthe Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated \nin the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion\nand national origin? By the way, you still haven\'t corrected yourself.\nDuring World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and\ncringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication\nin Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]\n\n"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)\n when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it \n becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon\n method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical\n operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." \n\nNow for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -\nextracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San\nFrancisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published\nin the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.\n\n "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities\n against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the \n murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian \n neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish \n and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see \n the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...\n Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise \n to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would \n help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of\n the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!\n I don\'t need your bias." \n\n Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.\n\n[1] James G. Mandalian, \'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,\' in the \'Armenian\n Review,\' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:\n June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Mississippi River water and catfish: safe?\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.204033.126645@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes:\n>I\'ve been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the\n>Mississippi. My journey partners want to live off of river water and\n>catfish along the route. Should I have any concerns about pollution or\n>health risks in doing this?\n\nYou\'d have to purify the river water first. I\'m not sure how practical\nthat is with the Mississippi. You\'d better check with health agencies\nalong the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river. If\nit is just microorganisms, those can be filtered or killed, but you\nmay need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals.\nBetter be same than sorry. Obviously, drinking the river without\nprocessing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)\nSubject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group\nLines: 35\n\n>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing\n>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is\n>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.\n\nYou're getting warmer. The 'little thing in the trigger' has to be\ndepressed before the trigger can move. What this means is the damned\nthing won't go off until the trigger is pulled. This makes it just\nabout (there HAVE been some problems, but we're assuming the gun is\nfunctioning correctly..) as safe as a revolver. The gun when working\ncorrectly is totally drop safe.\n\nNow, in police work this is a consideration. There is not a single\ndocumented case I'm aware of where a police officer was killed because\nhe failed to operate the safety on his firearm. There are quite a few\ndocumented cases where criminals got hold of the cops gun and couldn't\nfigure out how to get the safety off in time to use the gun, thus the\nproprietary nature of the safety (to the criminal at least) very likely\nprevented the office from getting shot.\n\nThe purpose of a safety is to make the gun safe from unintentional fire.\nThis does not mean it should be so complicated as to slow down\nintentional use! Thus the Glock safety is perfectly adequate from a\n'safety' standpoint, but not necessarily the most desirable from the\nstandpoint of open carry where it is easily grabbed by somebody else.\nBy this criteria it DOES make a lot of sense as a concealed carry piece.\nFrom the standpoint of police use, it is no better (or worse) than a\nrevolver as far as being 'proprietary' to the officer in the method of\nfiring it.\n\nThe ideal solution may someday be biometric sensing of the user so that\nthe firearm can't be used by anybody but it's owner, but for now the\nwide variety of safety systems helps, unless the criminal happens to be\nfamiliar with that particular type of firearm.\n\nRick.\n",
'From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Hand Held Products, Inc.\nLines: 46\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com\n\nIn article <1qvjh9INNh4l@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) \nwrites:\n> NUT CASE PANICS!!!!JUMPS THE GUN ON THE NET BEFORE GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!\n\nI really don\'t understand all this! I watched on satellite network feeds as \nperhaps 90 people died before my eyes, while the two Huey\'s fanned the flames, \nand the FBI stopped the firetrucks at the gate. \n\nSomething was VERY wrong with that scene.\n\nPerhaps if I\'d watched RAMBO movies, I might\'ve been dulled to the pain of \nfellow humans dying.\n\nThank GOD I still feel. I\'m very sorry for you who don\'t. For you who think \nthey got what they deserved. Can you really believe that? Even if Koresh was \nthe sadistic mad man they said he was, did the others deserve his fate? If, \nin fact, he was mad, wasn\'t that even more reason to believe he duped his \nfollowers, and therefore they were innocent, brainwashed, victims? Is there \nany scenaro that justifies all that death?\n\nAnd if not, it is clear that the deaths would not have occured if the BATF has \nnot FUCKED UP initially, and now the FBI got impaitent and pushed Korech over \nthe edge.\n\nAnd that\'s if you buy the latest version of the "story" hook, line, and sinker. \nI have believed all along that they could not let them live, the embarrassment \nto the BATF and the FBI would\'ve been too severe.\n\nRemember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no \nwitnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All they \nhad to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed near the \nbuilding, and the press could\'ve done their job, and would\'ve been able to back \nthe FBI\'s story with close up video, while incurring no risk to the press. \nUnless they did not want the public to see something. The complete lack of any \nother source of information other than the FBI really causes me concern. \n\n\nSick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists\n--\njmd@handheld.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"I\'m always rethinking that. There\'s never been a day when I haven\'t rethought \nthat. But I can\'t do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93\n"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed \nin my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"\nWILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777\n',
'From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla)\nSubject: Re: Warning on Copy II PC Board + Help on Copying?\nKeywords: Mislead, Misinform, Misdirect, COPY\nArticle-I.D.: rpi.y3g53tr\nLines: 40\nNntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu\n\nIn <C4zwC0.6LK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes:\n\n>Now, does anyone know a way to back up the masters of Word-Perfect 5.1 for\n>Windows, Windows 3.1, and Norton 6.0 so I can send another copy to my\n>permanent (non-college) address for safe-keeping? Students keep borrowing\n>my masters, and I\'m worried they\'ll get screwed up! (Please don\'t tell me\n\nYou realize, of course, that inevitably some anal retentive moron is\ngoing to come along and wag his fingers and his jowls in outrage that\npersonal politics are more important than [SMCAP][BOLD][Font:God\n999pt.]The Law[smcap][bold][font].\n\nBut that\'s irrelevant to the problem here. Windows came with my\nsystem, but on 5.25" disks. I hate using 5.25" disks, so I copied\nthem over to high density 3.5"\'s using xcopy. It worked fine. In\nfact, for a while I was changing configurations and whatnot so much\nthat I decided to try putting them on the hard disk. Not only can you\ncopy them over with one disk per directory, but if you want to, you\ncan simply copy them all into one directory. Makes it a lot nicer\nwhen you\'re switching printer emulations around.\n\nNorton 6.0 I don\'t have much experience with, but when a friend\'s\nsystem crashed, we restored from a backup rather than from the\noriginals, and it worked fine. This would imply that arj a -r norton\nc:\\nu would create a workable backup, and if you did a full install\nthe first time, you\'ve got the whole thing.\n\nNever played with WP for Windows; I\'m not too big of a fan of anything\nfrom Utah.\n\nGood luck....\n\nDisclaimer: Don\'t Copy That Floppy! (tm) Just Say No! (r) Respect Your Elders!\nFor The Wages Of Sin Is (sic) Death And A Hefty Legal Bill! DO YOU OFFEND?\n\nRob\n--\nRob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane\'s Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish\nlight blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the\nspaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... \n',
'From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)\nSubject: Re: DCC and MiniDisc: next DAT/DDS like story?\nOrganization: Xenix Support, FICC\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C50CMD.1zz@newcastle.ac.uk> Tor-Olav.Berntzen@newcastle.ac.uk (Tor-Olav Berntzen) writes:\n> Another thing, why a SCSI interface ?\n\nBecause SCSI works well with removable media, and works well with large\ncapacity devices. The floppy interface you suggest handles the former, but\nit doesn\'t have any hooks for dealing with the latter... you\'d have to kludge\nit. Plus, it\'s extremely low performance. AND, SCSI has gobs of room for\nexpansion compared with a floppy (I can just see it, let\'s stick a 5.25",\na 3.5", a tape drive, and a MO drive, all on the floppy interface. The\npossibilities for unexpected collisions are enormous).\n-- \nPeter da Silva `-_-\'\nNetwork Management Technologies Incorporated \'U` \n12808 West Airport Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA\n+1 713 274 5180 "Zure otsoa besarkatu al duzu gaur?"\n',
"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin)\nSubject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre\nOrganization: Intelligent Systems Program\nLines: 10\n\naf664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes:\n>PPS...Am I giving you too many clues?\n\nToo many clues, not enough substance. You ask a lot of\ngood questions, though, but they are questions *you* should\nbe worried about, not me. I'm not the inerrantist here.\n\nLet me know when you are ready to get serious.\n\ndj\n",
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Fundamentalism - again.\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <khan0095.734814178@nova> khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes:\n>One of my biggest complaints about using the word "fundamentalist"\n>is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime\n>fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim\n>but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is.\n>I wonder what an equal definition would be..\n>any takers..\n\n\tThe American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to\nrefer to both Christians and Jews. Christian fundementalists are\noften refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests. The\nAmerican media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in\nJudea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah.\n\nAdam\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
'From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)\nSubject: Re: PC keyboard\nSummary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard\nKeywords: cap lock and ctrl key\nArticle-I.D.: longs.pm860605.143.734052152\nOrganization: Colorado State University\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: hercules.lance.colostate.edu\n\nIn article <hxg5nxl@rpi.edu> wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen) writes:\n>From: wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen)\n>Subject: PC keyboard\n>Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard\n>Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key\n>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:23:35 GMT\n>Does anyone know of a software that can exchange caps lock and ctrl\n>keys on the AT-style keyboard? I\'m looking for a memory resident\n>program that can work with other programs, rather than a feature in a\n>specific program (I am aware of a shareware program "back and forth"\n>that provides this feature within that program). Thanks.\n\n A program in the archive keymap00.zip on simtel and mirror sites in the \nmsdos/keyboard directory will do this. It is written in assembler and it \nbest if you have a compiler to create a new keyboard map. It is possible, \nhowever, to use a binary editor to edit the provided compiled keyboard \ndriver if you do not have a compiler. I used hexed100.zip, also available \non simtel. Simply serach for the codes 00 01 02 03 to locate the biginning \nof the "normal" keyboard map. Then swap the codes for the keys that you \nwish to swap. See the keyboard directory of simtel for programs that report \nthe scancode for each key to you (some bios programs also have this info).\nGood luck,\n\n- Pete\n____________________________________________________________________________\n| Peter J. McKinney pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu |\n| Electrohydrodynamic Laboratory |\n| Fluid Mechanics and Wind Engineering Program |\n| Civil Engineering Department |\n| Colorado State University |\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: Bjornar.Steinbakken@edb.uib.no\nSubject: Re: #77\'s?\nOrganization: University of Bergen\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1r23on$4p6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU ("The\nLogistician") writes:\n>\n>I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now\nonly\n>of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly\nappreciated.\n\nPaul Coffey of Detroit RedWings\n\n\nBjoernar Steinbakken\n\n',
'From: mor@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Mor)\nSubject: Re: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O\'Reilly)\nOrganization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science\nLines: 49\n\nmerlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:\n\n>Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins\' two books:\n\n> o PEXLIB Programming Manual\n> o PHIGS Programming Manual\n\n>Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386\n>running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and \n>access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on\n>the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization\n>of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure.\n\nRather than decide which book you want to buy, you need to decide which\nprogramming interface you want to use, then buy the appropriate book.\n\nI wrote an article for the X Resource which discusses the differences\nbetween PHIGS and PEXlib (it will appear in Issue 6 which should be out\npretty soon). But here\'s a brief summary...\n\nPHIGS is a graphics API which was designed to be portable to many\ndevices. Most implementations support the X Window System and take\nadvantage of a 3D extension to X called "PEX". PEXlib is a slightly\n"lower" level API which was designed to efficiently support the PEX\nextension to X.\n\nSome advantages of using PEXlib...\n- Integrates with Xlib,Xt,Motif,etc. better than PHIGS\n- Provides immediate mode capabilities\n- Is free of "policy"\n- PEX supports PHIGS, but is currently being extended to support\n features not found in PHIGS (like texture mapping, anti-aliasing).\n PEXlib will give you access to all of these features.\n\nSome advantages of using PHIGS...\n- Support for multiple devices, not just X based ones\n- Support for archiving, metafiles, hardcopy output\n- PHIGS has predefined input devices to make input easier\n- PHIGS can handle exposure events and resizing for you\n- PHIGS can help you with colormap selection/creation.\n\nIf you\'re working strictly in X and don\'t care about things like\narchiving, I would go with PEXlib. Either way, you will find that\nboth API\'s have a lot in common.\n\nRalph Mor\nMIT X Consortium\n\n\n',
'From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)\nSubject: More on ADL spying case\nOrganization: USC/Information Sciences Institute\nLines: 222\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu\n\nLos Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1.\n\nNEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE\n\n\t* INQUIRY: Transcripts reveal nearly 40 years of espionage\n\t by a man who infiltrated political groups\n\nBy Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer.\n\nSAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time\nart dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In\nreality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and\namassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40\nyears.\n\nHis code name at the prominent Jewish organization was Cal, and he was\nso successful at infiltrating political groups that he was once chosen\nto head an Arab-American delegation that visited Rep. Nancy Pelosi\n(D-San Francisco) in her Washington, D.C., office.\n\nFor a time, Cal tapped into the phone message system of the White\nAryan Resistance to learn of hate crimes. From police sources he\nobtained privileged, personal information on at least 1,394 people. \nAnd he met surreptitiously with agents of the South African government\nto trade his knowledge for crisp, new $100 bills.\n\nThese are among the secrets that Bullock and David Gurvitz, a former\nLos Angeles-based operative, divulged in extensive interviews with\npolice and the FBI in a growing scandal over the nation-wide\nintelligence network operated by the Anti-Defamation League.\n\nOfficials of the Anti-Defamation League, while denying any improper\nactivity, have said they will cooperate with the investigation. They\nhave refused to discuss Bullock and Gurvitz.\n\nTranscripts of the interviews -- among nearly 700 pages of documents\nreleased by San Francisco prosecutors last week -- offer new details\nof the private spy operation that authorities allege crossed the line\ninto illegal territory.\n\nAt times, the intelligence activities took on a cloak-and-dagger air\nwith laundered payments, shredded documents, hotel rendezvous with\nforeign agents and code names like "Ironsides" and "Flipper."\n\nOn one occasion, Gurvitz recounts, he received a tip that a\npro-Palestinian activist was about to board a plane bound for Haifa,\nIsrael. Although the Anti-Defamation League publicly denies any ties\nto Israel, Gurvitz phoned an Israeli consular official to warn him. \nShortly afterward, another official called Gurvitz back and debriefed\nhim.\n\nThe court papers also added to the mystery of Tom Gerard, a former CIA\nagent and San Francisco police officer accused of providing\nconfidential material from police files to the Anti-Defamation League.\n\nGerard fled to the Philippines last fall after he was interviewed by\nthe FBI, but left behind a briefcase in his police locker. Its\ncontents included passports, driver\'s licenses and identification\ncards in 10 different names; identification cards in his own name for\nfour American embassies in Central America; and a collection of blank\nbirth certificates, Army discharge papers and official stationery from\nvarious agencies.\n\nAlso in the briefcase were extensive information on death squads, a\nblack hood, apparently for use in interrogations, and photos of\nblindfolded and chained men.\n\nInvestigators suspect that Gerard and other police sources gave the\nADL confidential driver\'s license or vehicle registration information\non a vast number of people, including as many as 4,500 members of one\ntarget group, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee.\n\nEach case of obtaining such data from a law enforcement officer would\nconstitute a felony, San Francisco Police Inspector Ron Roth noted in\nan affidavit for a search warrant.\n\nThe Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil\nrights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on\ngroups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL\'s\nfact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a\nreputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with\npolice agencies and journalists. \n\nHowever, evidence seized from Bullock\'s computer shows he kept files\non at least 950 groups of all political stripes, including the\nAmerican Civil Liberties Union, Earth Island Institute, the United\nFarm Workers, Jews for Jesus, Mother Jones magazine, the Center for\nInvestigative Reporting, the Bo Gritz for President Committee, the\nAsian Law Caucus and the AIDS activist group ACT UP.\n\nThe computer files also included information on several members of\nCongress, including Pelosi, House Armed Services Committee Chairman\nRon Dellums (D-Berkeley) and former Republican Rep. Pete McCloskey\nfrom the Bay Area.\n\nIn their statements, Bullock and Gurvitz said the Anti-Defamation\nLeague has collected information on political activists in the Los\nAngeles area for more than 30 years. They said they worked closely\nwith three Los Angeles County sheriff\'s deputies who specialized in\nintelligence work, a Los Angeles Police Department anti-terrorism\nexpert and a San Diego County Sheriff\'s Department intelligence\nofficer.\n\nA spokesman for the Los Angeles Sheriff\'s Department said he knew\nnothing of any contact between the deputies and the ADL. The Los\nAngeles Police Department, which earlier refused to cooperate with the\ninvestigation, and the San Diego Sheriff\'s Department declined\ncomment.\n\nBullock, 58, is one of the most intriguing characters in the spy\ndrama. Although he is not Jewish, he began working undercover as a\nvolunteer for the ADL and the FBI in Indiana in 1954 after reading a\nbook about a man who infiltrated the Communist Party.\n\nBullock moved to Los Angeles in 1960 and was given a paid position by\nthe ADL as an intelligence operative, he told authorities. In the\nmid-1970s, he moved to San Francisco and continued his spy operations\nup and down the West Coast.\n\nTo keep his identity secret, his salary has always been funneled\nthrough Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman -- who has never\nmissed a payment in more than 32 years, Bullock said.\n\n"I was an investigator for the ADL. I investigated any and all\nanti-democratic movements," Bullock said. ". . . Officially, I\'m only\na contract worker with Bruce Hochman. That way, the league would not\nbe officially connected with me."\n\nBullock said he became a master at infiltrating groups from Communists\nto Arab-American to gay radicals to skinheads, usually using his own\nname but once adopting the alias Elmer Fink.\n\n"I\'m one of a kind," he told police.\n\nIn recent years, however, his ADL affiliation has increasingly become\nknown, and at one point he was confronted by a skinhead armed with a\nshotgun who threatened to kill him.\n\nIn the mid-1980s, he helped San Francisco police solve a bombing at a\nsynagogue by combing through the trash of extremist Cory Phelps and\nmatching handwriting with samples on a threatening letter obtained by\npolice. In part because of this investigation, he became close\nfriends with Gerard, who at the time was working in the San Francisco\npolice intelligence division.\n\nBullock frequently searched through the garbage of target groups. An\nFBI report noted how he investigated one Palestinian group:\n\n"Bullock would write reports based on what he found in the trash, and\nwould share the reports with Gerard. Bullock also gave the trash to\nGerard for Gerard to examine. Gerard would later return the trash to\nBullock."\n\nFrom a wide range of sources, Bullock compiled files on 9,876\nindividuals and more than 950 political groups. Gerard, whose files\ncontained many identical entries, kept files on 7,011 people.\n\nIn 1987, Bullock and Gerard began selling some of their vast wealth of\ninformation to the South African government. Bullock tells of\nmeetings secretly with South African agents at San Francisco hotels\nand receiving envelopes filled with thousands of dollars in new $100\nbills.\n\nBullock insists the information he sold consisted of data he culled\nonly from public sources. Once he rewrote an innocuous item published\nby San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen about South African\nBishop Desmond Tutu and the wife of prominent attorney Melvin Belli --\nand submitted it as his own work.\n\nBullock said it was Gerard who sold official police intelligence. \nBullock said he split about $16,000 from the South African government\nevenly with Gerard, telling him at one point, "I may be gay but I\'m a\nstraight arrow."\n\nIn his interviews with the police and FBI, Bullock talked freely about\nengaging in certain activities that prosecutors say would appear to\nviolate the law.\n\nFor example, Bullock admitted to receiving driver\'s license records\nand criminal histories from Gerard on about 50 people -- a fraction of\nthe confidential police data found in his computer. And he said\nGerard gave him complete San Francisco Police Department intelligence\nfiles on various Nazi groups that were supposed to be destroyed under\ndepartment policy.\n\nBullock said he also received a confidential FBI report on the Nation\nof Islam that he later shredded at the Anti-Defamation League\'s San\nFrancisco office.\n\nBullock seemed proud of his "Operation Eavesdrop," in which he used a\npaid informant, code-named Scumbag, to help tap into a White Aryan\nResistance phone message network, listening to the messages left by\nmembers of the right-wing group. "For a short time, it was\nwonderful," he told police.\n\nIn Los Angeles, ADL operative Gurvitz was hired about four years ago\nas a "fact-finder" to keep intelligence files and occasionally go\nundercover to the meetings of target groups.\n\nAmong other things, he told San Francisco authorities, the Los Angeles\nADL office kept a record of any Arab-American who had "anti-Israel\nleanings" or who wrote a letter to a newspaper expressing such\nsentiment.\n\nGurvitz was recently forced to resign after an incident in which he\nattempted to misuse the ADL intelligence network to seek revenge on a\nrival who got a job Gurvitz wanted at the Simon Wiesenthal Center for\nHolocaust Studies. Gurvitz got confidential police data on the rival\nand threatened to expose him as a Jewish spy to a right-wing hate\ngroup.\n\nGurvitz has since begun cooperating with police and the FBI in the\nprobe, providing considerable information about the ADL operation. \nUnlike Bullock, he has been assured he is not a subject of the\ninvestigation.\n\nGurvitz declined through his father in Los Angeles to be interviewed\nby The Times. Bullock\'s attorney said his client would not comment.\n--\nYigal Arens\nUSC/ISI TV made me do it!\narens@isi.edu\n',
'From: hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon)\nSubject: 83 tercel sunroof leaks - arrggh\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-11.mit.edu\n\nIS there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery - \ndo leaks tend to be from old gaskets ? \nor from inadequate mechanical seals - \nor all of the above ??\n\nis there any way to halt the rain ?\n\nthanks\nhk\n--\nHenry Bruno Kon\noffice: 617-253-2781 (with machine)\nhome: 617-625-3972 (with machine)\n\n',
'From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)\nSubject: Macro Recorder/Player for X?\nOrganization: MIT Media Laboratory\nLines: 18\n\n\n\nIs there aything available for X similar to QuicKeys for the Macintosh --\nsomething that will allow me to store and playback sequences of keystrokes,\nmenu selections, and mouse actions - directing them towards another\napplication?\n\nIf so, could someone send me information on its availability -- and if not,\nhow hard do we think it might be to send input to other X applications and,\nhopefully, deal with their responses appropriately? (If an application is\ngoing to take a few seconds to process I probably have to wait for it to\ncomplete before sending another command.)\n\nthanks,\n\ndavid,\n\n\n',
"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: lost in (TekHVC color) space\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nHi,\n\nxtici worked for my system.\nI'm using X11R5 pl 17 clientside only on a DEC 5000/240 on Ultrix 4.3\nMay be you have a serious floatingpoint compilation problem ?\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o | \\\\\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |\n| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |\n| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n",
'Subject: Re: Albert Sabin\nFrom: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota)\nReply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu\nOrganization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.\nNntp-Posting-Host: charlie\nLines: 112\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.231515.19982@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:\n>In article <C5FtJt.885@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes:\n>|> In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:\n>|> \n>|> [earlier dialogue deleted]\n>|> \n>|> >|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating \n>|> >|> to questions of science. \n>|> \n>|> [it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells]\n>|> \n>|> > There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is\n>|> > based on more than science alone. \n>|> \n>|> Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle\n>|> why and who.\n>\n> The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the\n> supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise?\n\nNot entirely. Its not a premise, its a conclusion. Second, that scientists\n(for the most part) exlude the possibility is not a problem, its a necessity. \nScientists are empircists, not theologians.\n\n> I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of\n> truth.\n\nSo do scientists, and long before you did. Clearly you have a deep and \nfundamental misunderstanding of science.\n\n>|> \n>|> > If you met a man who could walk on\n>|> > water, raise people from the dead, claimed to be the Son of God, and\n>|> > then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures, this would affect\n>|> > your belief in the origin of man. (I can expand on this.) \n>|> \n>|> Nope, wouldn\'t affect my knowledge (not belief) of origins of anatomically\n>|> modern humans. If that man could show me something better, I\'d change, even if \n>|> it was the biblical story in exact detail. But then I would ask, "Why in the\n>|> world did your father endow us with intellect and reason, and then proceed to\n>|> fool us. I mean, the bible says nothing about the human-like creatures that we\n>|> know exist.\n>\n> Some of these so-called human-like creatures were apes. Some were\n> humans. Some were fancifully reconstructed from fragments.\n\nAbsolutely and utterly false (except for some were AMHs). Lucy (Australopithecus\nafarensis, ca. 3 to 3.25 mya) is 40% complete, and about 80% taking into \nconsideration bilateral symmetry. Lucy walked upright and bipedally, just \nlike humans, and the two share a remarkably similar dental pattern. Her\ncranial morphology is unlike humans or modern apes. There are hundreds of \nother specimens of this and other species, of which only some are *partially* \nreconstructed. They exist Bill. You can touch them, feel them, hold them. \nBut forget hominids. The earth, the universe, the cultural record all look and \ntest out as ancient indeed. They are not reconstructions. Has God has tricked\nus here too? It won\'t go away, Bill.\n \n\n>\n>|> \n>|> I doubt any of us will meet a man like this. But, Bill, if your version of all\n>|> this is absolutely correct, I\'m still no worried about my salvation. I\'ll\n>|> probaby make it (I don\'t steal, murder, covet, etc, and I like to help other\n>|> people). All I did was use the reason and intellect your god provided. \n>|> He or she - benevolent and loving - will understand my dilemma, don\'t you\n>|> think? \n> Good deeds do not justify a person in God\'s sight.\n> An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone for sin.\n\nSo *you* and other fundamentalists say. What about the billions who don\'t \nsay so? Beware of people who say they have the truth, Bill, and reconsider\neach time you think you do.\n\n>|> \n>|> > Science and\n>|> > the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the scientific\n>|> > "laws" as man understands them. Creation is a good example. God has the\n>|> > power to create something out of nothing, order out of chaos.\n>|> \n>|> Haven\'t been on t.o. long, but I have a feeling, Bill, that the veterans will\n>|> agree with you here. No contradiciton, and god *can* do anything at will. So,\n>|> what\'s the beef? (or more properly, "where\'s")\n>\n> My point: God is the creator. Look\'s like we agree.\n\nThat was not your point, Bill. Your point above was God *has* the power ....\nScientists generally agree with that. That\'s a far cry from saying God did.\nPlease attempt to understand your own posts.\n \n>|> \n>|> > If the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the \n>|> > substance of the book, it must be a real laugher. Of course Jesus existed,\n>|> > and there are volumes of evidence to back it up. I can give many if you\n>|> > are interested.\n>|> \n>|> Its not a laugher, Bill. Its a scholarly book that many happen to disagree\n>|> with. I am definitely (and seriously) interested in confirmation. I know of\n>|> the bible, inferences therefrom (e.g., prophecies), apocrypha, the Koran and\n>|> others. What I am interested is independent evidence. Do you have any? I\n>|> know of Josephus, but this is almost certainly an insertion. Also I know of a\n>|> few Roman documents (e.g., Pliny), but these deal only with early Christians.\n>|> Do you have any independent evidence? I am most interested. Please Email or \n>|> post. Thanks, and best regards.\n>\n> I\'ll send you some info via e-mail.\n> Regards, Bill.\n\nI have your info, and I have replied - several days ago. Hope you have it. \nSomehow your post above appeared at my server only today.\n\n\nRich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota\n',
"From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)\nSubject: Sega Genesis + games for sale\nKeywords: sega, genesis, games\nOrganization: Stanford University, California, USA\nLines: 11\n\nI have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games:\n\nSonic the Hedgehog (I)\nRevenge of Shinobi\nThunderforce III\n\nI'm asking $160 OBO. I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, \nby phone at: (415) 497-3719.\n\nAlexander Hinds\n\n",
'From: williams4000@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: BOOK OF KELLS CORRECTION!!!\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 11\n\nI aparantly mistyped the address for the ftp site which holds the images. The\ncorrect address should be:\n\njupiter.csd.unb.ca\n ^^\nrather than jupiter.csd.unb.edu. They are in the directory:\n\n\\pub\\library.info\n\nJon Williams\nUniversity of Northern Iowa\n',
'From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner)\nSubject: Re: Language and agreement\nReply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu\nOrganization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development\nLines: 16\n\nm23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:\n\nMr. Meritt, please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads\nyou to conclude Mr. Tice thinks it "OK" to take biblical quotes out of\ncontext in some other t.r.m. articles.\n\nAlso, please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning (with its\nimplicit uncertainty) in determining Mr. Tice\'s opinions when the man\nis himself clearly available for questioning.\n\nFinally, please indicate whether you agree (yes or no) with the\nfollowing statement:\n\n The word "agree" and the phrase "not disagree" are identical in\n meaning.\n\n',
"From: karenb@westford.ccur.com (Karen Bircsak)\nSubject: lost in (TekHVC color) space\nArticle-I.D.: westford.1993Apr6.160748.3794\nOrganization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA\nLines: 33\n\n(please respond via email!)\n\nHas anybody actually seen the Tek color space stuff working? I'm not\nhaving any luck with either the xtici editor from export.lcs.mit.edu or with\nO'Reilly's ftp-able example xcms from ftp.uu.net.\n\nThe O'Reilly example fails for almost every set of inputs because\nXcmsTekHVCQueryMaxV returns a smaller value than XcmsTekHVCQueryMinV does\n(which makes no sense to me).\n\nThe xtici editor fails in XcmsStoreColors, apparently because the\nmathematical manipulations of the color specs results in invalid values. So\nyou can't actually edit any colors.\n\nWe have X11 R5 patch level 22; 8-bit pseudoColor visual. I've poked around \nin the xcms code in Xlib, but without some understanding of the theory I have \nno idea what's going wrong. Can somebody confirm if either of the \nabove-mentioned programs work on their systems, or let me know if they fail \nfor you too? Please include what hardware/software/patch levels you have.\n\nAny hints?\n\nPlease respond with email as I don't regularly read this group.\n\nThanks,\nKaren\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nKaren Bircsak\nConcurrent Computer Corporation\n\nkarenb@westford.ccur.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: neal@grover.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal)\nSubject: Wierd xdm behavior\nOrganization: U. Washington Dept. of Statistics\nLines: 48\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grover.stat.washington.edu\nOriginator: neal@grover.stat.washington.edu\n\nDear sun and windows people,\n\nI am running sun workstations with SunOs 4.1.1 and \nvanilla X11 R5. I have a bunch of xterminals as well.\n\nToday I had my xdm fail. At about 9:30\nit was impossible to login to a host from an xterminal.\nThe message was the "xdm too many retransmissions".\nIn my xdm-errors file I had the following entries:\n\n\n >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:\n >256\n >error (pid 7927): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be\n >secured\n >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:\n >\n >I also had:\n >\n >error (pid 7457): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be\n >secured\n >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:\n >256\n >error (pid 7462): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be\n >secured\n >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly:\n >256\n\nAlso, at the console, the login box would come up for\nabout 2 seconds and then\nit would go away. It would do this continuously.\n\nI could login from another workstation to the hosts in question,\nhowever, I could not login on the console.\n\nI tried killing xdm and restarting it but that didn\'t help.\nI finally rebooted all the hosts. (Which hurts when done in the\nmiddle of the day).\n\nAny help would be appreciated.\n\nThanks,\nPhil \n-- \nPhil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22\nUniversity of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA | 206-685-1627\n----------------------------------------------------------------\n"Look, another bit!" -- Repo Man (the movie)\n',
"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: test don't read!\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n \n \n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n",
"From: bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Andrew M. Bates)\nSubject: Renderman Shaders/Discussion?\nOrganization: University of California, Santa Barbara\nLines: 12\n\n\n Does anyone know of a site where I could ftp some RenderMan shaders?\nOr of a newsgroup which has discussion or information about RenderMan? I'm\nnew to the RenderMan (Mac) family, and I'd like to get as much info I can\nlay my hands on. Thanks!\n\n Andy Bates.\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nAndy Bates.\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui)\nSubject: Softwares, games (New or Used) for sale\nNntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu\nOrganization: Auburn University Engineering\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 48\n\n\nI have following softwares for sale:\n\nNEW ITEMS (never opened):\n1. Lucid 3-D, three dimensional spreadsheet:\n with pull-down menus, on-line help, up to 8 pages of notes behind every\n cell for dynamic detail, 3-D capability, compatible with Lotus 1-2-3, etc.\n $15 including shipping (manual, 5.25" disks)\n\n2. Turbo Pascal Express\n with 250 ready-to-run assembly language routines that make Turbo Pascal\n faster, more powerful, and easier to use.\n 2 5.25" disks and manual\n $15 (including shipping)\n\n3. Dr. Halo III\n much more than an icon driven paint program - it\'s a complete page \n composition and presentation graphics package. Automatic aspect ratio\n correction for WYSIWYG printing. True color or grey scale output and partial screen prints.\n 3 5.25" disks and manual\n $12 (including shipping)\n\n4. Key Form Designer Plus\n software for making professional business forms.\n 3.5" disks and manual\n $25 plus shipping\n\n\nLike-new items (package is opened but not registered):\n1. JetFighter II\n Advanced tactical fighter F-23 as well as F-14, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22.\n 3.25" disks and manuals\n $30 plus Shipping OBO\n\n2. Nighthwak F-117A Stealth Fighter 2.0\n The definitive simulation of America\'s radar-elusive jet.\n Sensational sound, nine world\'s "hot spots": Cuba, North Korea, the Kuwaiti T Theatre of operations, central Europe, the North Cape, Libya, the persian Gul f, Vietnam and the Middle East. Awesome missions to challenge you.\n 5.25" disks and manual\n $35 plus shipping OBO\n\n3. Grammatik IV - $20 plus shipping\n\n4. Quattro Pro 1.0 - make an offer\n\n5. GEM chart, graphics, word, publisher, ... V.3.0 - make an offer.\n\nAll items above are for IBM/compatible systems.\n\n',
"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway)\nSubject: Re: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland/cortical c.)\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu\nKeywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat\n\nIn article <roos.49@Operoni.Helsinki.FI> roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos) writes:\n>I am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland / cortical cell -type. I \n>have been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any \n>help.\n\nI shot off a response to this last night that I've tried to cancel. It was \nonly a few minutes later while driving home that I remembered that your \nmessage does specifically say cortical. My first reaction had been to suggest\nthe PC12 pheochromocytoma line. That may still be a good compromise, depending\non what you're doing. Have you concidered using a mouse cell line from one \nof the SV40 T antigen transgenic lines? Another alternative might be primary\ncells from bovine adrenal cortex. \n\nMike\n",
'Subject: Re: Sparky Anderson Gets win #2000, Tigers beat A\'s\nFrom: tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Georgetown University, Washington DC\nNntp-Posting-Host: cs.cosc.georgetown.edu\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <ragraca.734906386@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n>Tigers\' manager Sparky Anderson gets his 2,000th career win as moments ago,\n>the Tigers completed a two game sweep over the Oakland A\'s at Tiger Stadium\n>by beating the A\'s 3-2. Here are the highlights:\n>\t\t\t\tR H E \n> Oakland\t\t2 9 0\n>\t Detroit 3 7 1\n>\n> [game description deleted]\n>\n>In the post game interview (on WJR radio in Detroit), Sparky Anderson said\n>its one of the few times he\'s gotten emotional in his managing career. It\n>was a big moment for him, and I\'m sure all of us Tiger fans are unanimously\n>very happy for him. And what a way to get number 2,000!.\n>\n> [woofing deleted]\n>--Randy\n>\n\nIn another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was "the\nbest manager in basebal," explaining that to be part of the history\nof Sparky softened the blow of losing.\n\nGo Tigers!!!\n Tim\n\n Timothy Law Snyder\n Department of Computer Science\n Reiss 225\n Georgetown University\n Washington, DC 20057\n\ntim@normal.georgetown.edu\n',
"From: ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk (Justin Whitton)\nSubject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...\nIn-Reply-To: edmoore@vcd.hp.com's message of Sat, 24 Apr 1993 22: 31:30 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: hayle\nOrganization: DRA Malvern, Worcs., UK\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C60EKI.Kvp@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:\n\n thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote:\n\n : The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really \n : have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need \n : 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your \n : pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not \n : toner. But that should go without saying.\n\n I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. \n\nI've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures\nfrom a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-)\n\nI use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet.\n\n--\n/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n|Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..|\n|after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \\------------------------------|\n|Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. |\n|I'm a student => intelligence = 0. |\n\\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/\n",
'From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland)\nSubject: Re: Help\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n>Hi everyone, \n>\t I\'m a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know\n>that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet\n>hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying\' You fools,\n>do you still think that just believing is enough?\'\n\nsome deleted\n\n>Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)\n>as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James\n>in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being \'spat-out\'\n>\n>Can anyone help me, this really bothers me.\n\nDear Will,\n\nI\'ve never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok.\nI had a few thoughts!:\n\n"Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead" - James 2:17\n\nFaith is both belief and action.\nIf I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a\nswimmer? and will people believe that I am?\nLikewise if I say I\'m a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a\nChristian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to\nGod proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him!\n\nIn a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6\nv3 says "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands"\nI find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that \'if we have\ncome to know Him, then we\'ll obey His commands\' cos He lives within us and\nwe cannot help but obey what He says.\nI tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing\nus into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically\nproduced in our lives.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nJames Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk)\n',
"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru)\nSubject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 26\n\n\nPeter Garfiel Freeman writes:\n\n\n>>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being,\n>>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department)\n>>\n>>Peace.\n>>-marc\n\n\n>Boy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does\n>not sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again,\n>get a brain.\n\n\nPeter, I think you are ridiculous here. Stupidity is not a measure of how\nwell someone knows our judicial system. I guess Marc meant that he is \nagainst death penalty. But no matter what he meant, your statement not \njustified.\n\n\nRegards, \n\nDorin\n\n",
'From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: More technical details\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 116\n\nHere are some corrections and additions to Hellman\'s note, courtesy of\nDorothy Denning. Again, this is reposted with permission.\n\nTwo requests -- first, note the roles of S1 and S2. It appears to me\nand others that anyone who knows those values can construct the unit\nkey. And the nature of the generation process for K1 and K2 is such\nthat neither can be produced alone. Thus, the scheme cannot be\nimplemented such that one repository generates the first half-key, and\nanother generates the second. *That* is ominous.\n\nSecond -- these postings are not revealed scripture, nor are they\ncarefully-crafted spook postings. Don\'t attempt to draw out hidden\nmeanings (as opposed to, say, the official announcements of Clipper).\nLeave Denning out of this; given Hellman\'s record of opposition to DES,\nwhich goes back before some folks on this newsgroup knew how to read, I\ndon\'t think you can impugn his integrity.\n\nOh yeah -- the folks who invented Clipper aren\'t stupid. If you think\nsomething doesn\'t make sense, it\'s almost certainly because you don\'t\nunderstand their goals.\n\n\t\t--Steve Bellovin\n\n-----\n\nDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 07:56:39 EDT\nFrom: denning@cs.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning)\nSubject: Re: Clipper Chip\nTo: (a long list of folks)\n\nI was also briefed by the NSA and FBI, so let me add a few comments to\nMarty\'s message:\n\n The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in \n\nThe algorithm operates on 64-bit blocks (like DES) and the chip supports\nall 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm uses 32 rounds of scrambling\ncompared with 16 in DES.\n\n\tIn addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his \n\tor her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key \n\tplain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be \n\nK is the session key shared by the sender and receiver. Any method\n(e.g., public key) can be used to establish the session key. In the\nAT&T telephone security devices, which will have the new chip, the key\nis negotiated using a public-key protocol.\n \n\tencrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, \n\tand the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part \n\tmessage which will then be encrypted under the system key SK \n\tproducing\n\n\t E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK}\n\nMy understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the\n"family key") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by\nlaw enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I\nwill also check it out, but this is 7am Sunday so I did not want to wait.\n\n The unit key \n\twill be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 \n\tand K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow \n\nThe unit key, also called the "chip key," is generated from the\nserial number N as follows. Let N1, N2, and N3 be 64 bit blocks\nderived from N, and let S1 and S2 be two 80-bit seeds used as keys.\nCompute the 64-bit block \n\n R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] \n\n(Note that this is like using the DES in triple encryption mode with\ntwo keys.) Similarly compute blocks R2 and R3 starting with N2 and N3.\n(I\'m unlear about whether the keys S1 and S2 change. The fact that\nthey\'re called seeds suggests they might.) Then R1, R2, and R3 are\nconcatenated together giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits form K1 and\nthe next 80 bits form K2. The remaining bits are discarded.\n\n\tauthorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be \n\tdecided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that \n\tthey will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they \n\tmust be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. \n\nMarty is right on this and the FBI has asked me for suggestions.\nPlease pass them to me along with your reasons. In addition to Marty\'s\ncriteria, I would add that the agencies must have an established record\nof being able to safeguard highly sensitive information. Some suggestions\nI\'ve received so far include SRI, Rand, Mitre, the national labs (Sandia,\nLANL, Los Alamos), Treasury, GAO.\n\n\tWhen a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law \n\tenforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information \n\tflowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that \n\tthey may do this constantly on all links, with or without a \n\tcourt order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links \n\tover which a message will flow.] \n\nMy understanding is that there will be only one decode box and that it\nwill be operated by the FBI. The service provider will isolate the\ncommunications stream and pass it to the FBI where it will pass through\nthe decode box, which will have been keyed with K.\n\n\tfor "the wiretap authorizations." When Levy asked for\n\tthe details so he could review the cases as required by\n\tlaw, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned\n\tover 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not\n comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: \n No single person or authority should have the power to\n authorize wiretaps\n\nNo single person does, at least for FBI taps. After completing a mound\nof paperwork, an agent must get the approval of several people on a chain\nthat includes FBI legal counsel before the request is even taken to the\nAttorney General for final approval.\n\nDorothy Denning\n',
'From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Mac & IBM Info-Version 1.7.7\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 753\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\n{Send follow ups to comp.sys.mac.advocacy. Sorry about the header but the \nPnews here does not let one easily change the headers and I gave up after a \nyear of trying. This sheet is also available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu \n(36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare177.txt.}\nMac & IBM Info-Version 1.7.7\n\nThe reason for this general data sheet is to consolidate and condense the \ninformation out there, so that people in both camps can be clear and accurate \nabout what they are saying about their machines. Since computer technology \nis always changing there are always going to be points in which the sheet will \nbe lacking or incorrect on information. So, please just don\'t say the sheet \nis incomplete or incorrect but also give me clear and concise information to \nmake the needed corrections. All prices are in US dollars.\nTo keep this data sheet organized please provide, if possible, article \ncitations for the information provided or corrected and keep the opinions to \na minimum. As this is a general data sheet, keep the info provided simple so \nI can understand what is being talked about and can explain it to others. \nFinally, keep the information relevant to the section corrected {For example, \nOS code in ROM is software contained in hardware, so no more of the \'but it \nis supported in OS disk software\' data for the hardware section, please}. \nThank you.\nNote: for proper reading off line this document should be in 9 point Monaco.\n\nSpecial thanks to ANDREW@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie), \nandrew@frip.wv.tek.com (Andrew Klossner), bell-peter@YALE.EDU (Peter Bell), \nbcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman), cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido), d88-\njwa@nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) ephraim@Think.COM (Ephraim Vishniac), \nfj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat), gsidler@cafe.eecs.nwu.edu \n(Gabriel Sidler), julian@deepthnk.kiwi.gen.nz (Julian Harris), \nErick.Krueger@um.cc.umich.edu, krueger@engin.umich.edu, \nmatt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy), mark@bilpin.co.uk (Mark Allerton), \njokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim), mem@jhufos.pha.jhu.edu (Mel \nMartinez), nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou), pwagner%us.oracle.com, \ns_fuller@iastate.edu, strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl), \njkirvin@pafosu1.hq.af.mil, phill@ichips.intel.com, \nshaikha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu, sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers), Lewis \nKawecki@novell.com, lamont@catfish16.rtsg.mot.com (Bradley Lamont), \ncerro@mbcl.rutgers.edu ("Cerro, Joseph A"), mpark@utmem1.utmem.edu (Mel Park), \nlogullo@applelink.apple.com (Jeff Logullo), zrai02@hou.amoco.com (Robert \nIrlbeck), and mikew@apple.com for providing some of the information that made \nthis list possible.\n Contents\nCPUs\nHardware\n Monitor support\n Expansion\nOperating system\n OS Number Crunching\nNetworking & Printing\n\nThe CPUs\n Note: I am only showing Motorola & Intel CPUs used in Mac and most IBM/PC \nclone machines. For example, since Apple never used the Motorola 68008 and \n68010 in the Mac these chips are not listed. Years only appear with dead CPUs \nand indicate first to last year used as a CPU.\nCache note: both IBM and Mac use caches external to the CPUs. These external \ncaches increase the speed of the CPU but are not a part of it. In most of \nthe present Macs there are external caches built-in while with IBM they are \noptional {Though machines are generally sold with them installed}. Since \nthere are many different external caches {CPU-Mac and IBM; SCSI, video, disk \nand static RAM-Mac}, each having a different effect on CPU performance, and \nthey are machine {32KB static RAM cache in IIci, IIfx, and IIvx}, seller \n{cache card installed in some IIcis} or expansion {IIci cache cards go up to \n128KB} dependent, I have decided to leave them out of the list.\nNote: ALU is industry\'s de-facto standard for CPU bit classification.\nIBM ALU Registers External CPU Features/\nCPU bus address cache Notes\n8088(6) 16 16 8 (16) 20 none {1981-9} {198?-9}\n80186 16 16 16 20 none {198?-9?} segmenting\n80286 16 16 16 24 none 80186 + Protected Mode\n80386 32 32 32 32 none MMU & 32-bit Protected Mode \n486sx 32 32 32 32 one 8K 80486 - FPU\n80486 32 32 32 32 one 8K 80386 & FPU\n486dx2 32 32 32 32 one 8K doubled internal clock rate*\n486dx3 being demoed. 20/60 MHz, 25/75 MHz, and 33/99 MHz planned.\nPentium 32 32 64 32 16K code, CISC chip with RISC-like \n 5 16K data features, 2-issue superscalar, \n [P 5] 386 Write-Back, 64-bit\n FPU path, pipelining; Speed:\n SPECint92: 64.5; SPECfp92:\n 56.9**\n\n386sx: 386 chip with 32-bit internal/16-bit external architecture.\n286 and 386sx chips can address to 16MB maximum RAM.\n386sl: low power(3.3V) 386sx with built-in power management. Used mainly on \nlaptops.\n386slc: IBM 5V 386sx with a 16k on-chip cache added (John H. Kim). As far as \nJohn H. Kim knows it is only used on IBM models.\n486slc: Neither of two chips that have this name have a FPU. Cyrix: basically \n486sx in 386sx socket with 1k cache and improved integer math speed. IBM: \nequivalent to the 486sx except it has a 16k on-chip cache.\n\n* ex. for 486dx2/50, chip runs 50 MHz rest of machine runs at 25 MHz.\n***(PC Week 04/12/93; PC Mag 4/27/93:138) "The latest in a line of CISC chips" \n(PC Mag 4/27/93:110) Samples released March 22, 1993, but machines will not \nbe announced until at least May 1993 (PC Week 2/08/93). $1000 a CPU; systems \n$5000 and up (PC Mag 4/27/93:110). \n\nMac ALU Registers External CPU Features/\nCPU bus address cache* Notes\n68000 16 32 16 24 none {1984-1993} 16MB limit**\n68020 32 32 32 32 256 code {1987-1992} parallel processing\n68030 32 32 32 32 two 256 68020 + MMU, 16K burst mode\n68LC040 32 32 32 32 two 4K 68040 - FPU\n68040 32 32 32 32 two 4K MMU, FPU, pipelining, doubled \n internal clock rate***\n68050\tdevelopment discontinued in favor of 68060\n68060 32 32 32 32 Branch 68040 + a better FPU, \n target superscaler pipelining, cache \n line bursts, equivalent \n capabilities & speeds to \n Pentium*#\n\n*includes data and instruction {code} caches. The 68030, 68LC040, & 68040 \nhave built-in caches for both.\n**68000 Mac designs created a 4MB limit.\n***The 040 has 2 clocks, an internal processor clock [PCLK] that is 2x freq of \nexternal bus clock [BCLK] which is the one used to rate the chips \n(Bradley Lamont; Motorola 68040 data book). Some compilers produce programs \nsensitive to the PCLK and so they act as if the 68040 was a clock doubler \nchip, but this very compiler and program dependent. Compliers maybe written \nto allow programs to take consitant advantage of the 68040\'s PCLK in the \nfuture. As it is now, studies such as one in a Byte article {which showed \n040/25 ~486/50 and roughly ~486dx2/50} are very dependent on the machine, OS, \nand programs tested and as such are not representative of general performance.\n*#Motorola claims (PC Week 09/07/92; 09/14/92).\n\nAs the PowerPCs are to be in both IBM and Mac machines I have listed them \nseparately to eliminate redundancy. They are Motorola CPU RISC chips.\n\nPowerPC ALU Registers External CPU Features/\nCPU bus address cache Notes\nMC98601 32 32 32 int 64 32K Speed: SPECint92: 50; \n [601] 32 fp combined SPECfp92: 80*\n I/D \nMC98603: low power MC98601 for desktop & portable systems. Out by end of 1993.\n [603]\nMC98604: high performance MC98601 for high end machines. Out by 1st Q 1994.\n [604]\nMC98620 64 64 32 int 64 32K Out by mid 1994.\n [620] 32 fp combined \n I/D \n\n*(PC Week 04/12/93; PC Mag 4/27/93:138). Select venders were sent sample \nMC98601 chips by Motorola 2/93 (PC Week 2/08/93), and some NuBus boards \ncontaining early samples of PowerPC 601 have been given to Apple\'s "A-list" \ndevelopers (PC Week 12/7/92; MacWeek 12/14/92). MC98601/50MHz-$280;\nMC98601/66MHz-$374 (PC Week 4/12/93). Systems: ~$3500 with ~$2000 versions\nout by mid 1994 (PC Week 4/12/93).\n\nCPUs Comparison List\nAs a general rule of thumb Motorola chips are faster than Intel chips at the \nsame frequency {030/25 ~= 386/33; 040/25 ~= 486dx/50}, but Intel has chips at \nhigher frequencies than Motorola, so this evens out. The Macintosh Bible 4th \ned. supports the comparisons between Intel and Motorola chips for the 68020 \nand above.\n\n<=80186 ~ 68000 {16-bit vs 16/24/32-bit chip [data path/address \nlines/data & address registers]. The 4MB limit on the 68000 Macs brings it \ndown to the 80186 and lower chips, otherwise it would compare to the 80286.}\n\n286 ~ 68020 {hardware segmenting vs. 68020\'s 32-bit ALU and these chips \ncome have no usable built-in MMU unlike their successors [80386, 68030]. The \nhardware segmenting\'s protected mode is used by OS/2 1.0 => and Windows 3.X. \nThe use of the hardware segmenting and their 16-bit nature put the 286 between \nthe 60000 and 68030 in features and the LC\'s 16-bit data path strenghthens the \n286 ~ 68020 comparison.}\n\n386 ~ 68030 {Two 32-bit chips with MMUs, and protected memory. A/UX 3.0 \nis at present the only Mac OS to use the 68030\'s protected memory feature for \napps. System 7.x uses this feature to protect a RAM disk created by the \nMemory control panel but this is supported only on Powerbooks and Quadras. \nThe Color Classic and LCII 16-bit hardware data paths makes the 68030s in them \ncomparative to 386sxs.}\n\n486sx ~ 68LC040 {same as 486 and 68040 without the FPU; used as a low cost \nsolution for people who do not need the FPU. Only with programs sensitive to \nPCLK & pipelining does the 68LC040 behave like 486dx2 - FPU or a \'486dx2sx\'.}\n\n486 ~ 68040 {two 32-bit microprocessors with built-in FPU, MMU, 8K \ninternal cache (which is implemented as two 4K caches in the 68040 and one in \nthe 486). Only with programs sensitive to PCLK & pipelining does the 68040 \nbehave like a 486dx2.}\n\nPentium ~ 68060 {Both are planned to be superscalar but both have heat \nproblems. These chips may flounder against the cheaper (PC Week 3/08/93; \n4/12/93; PC Mag 4/27/93:110), earlier released (PC Week 12/7/92; MacWeek \n12/14/92; PC Week 2/08/93), less leat producing {160 degrees F for Pentium\n(PC Mag 4/27/93:118)}, and partly ported to PowerPC chips.} \n\nPowerPC = PowerPC {This CPU line is planned to run programs from DOS, \nWindows 3.x, OS/2 and Mac OS on top of PowerOpen-A/UX 4.0 [UNIX] and later \nPink [Taligent OS] by using emulators or, if necessary, the OSes themselves in \na \'shell\' a.k. how SoftPC or OS/2 does DOS.}\n\nHardware \n{In an effort to remove the \'reconfiguring the system almost every time you \nadd something\' requirement for add-in cards, drivers, video, and operating \nsystems in the IBM world, Intel, Microsoft and 12 other hardware and software \ndevelopers are working out \'plug and play\' standards (PC Week 03/08/93).}\nColor Support/Display\n Mac: 30.24 MHz Pixel Clock standard. All present Macs support the use of \n32-bit color through 32-bit color QuickDraw in ROM. 32-bit color QuickDraw \nallows an almost transparent capability to display and edit X-bit images in Y-\nbit color and retain ALL the colors of Y-bit color [Where X and Y \nindependently are 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, or 32] regardless of monitor resolution {63 \ndpi [12" color] to 94 dpi [PaletteBook]} or monitor type {including \nautosynchronous VGA, MCGA and SVGA monitors with ranges including 66.7 hz \nvertically and 35 kHz horizontally and only a hardware video adaptor (MacUser \nAug 1992: 158-176). Older machines that supported color {SE/30, II, IIX, and \nIIcx} had only 8-bit color in ROM and needed a software patch to use 32-bit \ncolor (MacUser Special 1993:28-29). \nTo keep costs down and speed up most Macs have only 8 or 16 bit display \ncapability built-in, but most of those can be expanded to display 24-bit \ncolor. Presently QuickDraw is optimized for 72 dpi display; QuickDraw QX \nwill change this.\nIn addition, QuickDraw allows, in Macs with a NuBus slot, more then one \nmonitor to be used in any combination, from two monitors showing the same \nthing to multiple monitors acting as one large large monitor with any degree \nof overlap of the pictures.\nVRAM: Video RAM. Standard for present non-PowerBook Mac\'s handling of \n built-in video {from a 32-bit color palette}. VRAM provided runs a 8-bit\n color 640x480 display; expandable to 16-bit color or a 8-bit 832x624 display. \nSound output: Standard in all Macs since the 128K. Stereo sound became \n standard with the SE/30.\n\nIBM: Even though PCs have ROM BIOS definitions of how the operating system \ninteracts with the video hardware (Nan Zou), the use of drivers bypassing \nBIOS, video hareware inconsitancies {see Super VGA below} and nonstanderzation\nof clone BIOS have left resolution of video display hardware, OS and program \ninteraction up to the OS and video hardware in question (Faisal Nameer \nJawdat). In addition, IBM and clone makers never bothered to provide a \nstandard hardware mechanism for software to determine what display mode is \nactually present (Matt Healy) nor a standardized screen-drawing toolbox {like \nMac\'s QD}. As a result the OS must be very well written to detect some modes, \nespecially with some third party cards or to use them consitantly {At present \nthings are so dependent on the interaction of the program, OS, print driver \nand monitor card that editing 32-bit pictures regardless of color mode, OS, \nand monitor type/card combination as one can do on the Mac is impossible with \nan IBM. For example, one cannot edit a 32-bit color picture done on a OS/2 \n486 with a SVGA monitor on a 386 with VGA {18-bit color palette} and DOS 5.0 \nand still have ALL the colors one started out with}.\nLater IBM machines will have integrated graphics accelerators, faster \nprocessors, and modular upgradeability and may have built-in sound cards, CD \nROM, and Ethernet (PC Week 12/14/92). \nMDA: Monocrome Display Adapter\n original character-mapped video mode, no graphics, 80x25 text.\nCGA: Color Graphics Array\n 320x200 4 colors or 640x200 b/w, 16 color palette, bad for the eyes.\nEGA: Enhanced Graphics Array\n 640x350 16 colors from 64 color palette [and some lower res]; some versions \n could run at 256 colors, bearable on the eyes.\nVGA: Video Graphics Array*\n 320x200 at 256 colors, 640x480 at 16 colors, and some others, these two are \n the most commonly used. All modes have a 256K CLUT, from a \n 18 to 24-bit {IBM} or a 32-bit {Mac} color palette. 25.175 MHz Pixel Clock\n (Mel Martinez). Monitors use analog input, incompatible with TTL signals\n from EGA/CGA etc. \nMCGA: Multi-Color Graphics Array*\n subset of VGA that provides all the features of MDA & CGA, but lacks some EGA \n and VGA modes, like VGA 640x480x16 (Dictionary of Computer Terms-DCT). \n Common on the initial PS/1 implementation from IBM and some PS/2 Models.\nSVGA: Super VGA*\n This is not a standard in the way the others were, but instead was a \'catch \n all\' category for a group of video cards. As such, with each manufacturer \n using their own implementation scheme, SVGA was chaos with people debating\n as to what is SVGA and what is not. In an effort to make SVGA more of a \n standard VESA was established and is used in the newer units, but things\n are still a mess. Video is either 512K [~1990] or 1M [today], resolution\n of 800x600 and 1024x768 at 16 and 256 colors are common, newer ones [since \n 1990] have the Sierra HiColor RAMDAC, giving 15-bit 32,768 colors at 800x600, \n some of the very newer ones [~6/92] can do 24 bits per pixel [usually \n at 640x480]. Speedwise, too much variation, some very slow [Western Digital \n Paradise based, for example], some very fast [S3 86C911 based, for example], \n some are so-so [like Tseng ET4000, a very popular chipset]. Some limiting \n factors overcome by 40MHz VL Bus & 386\'s linear address mapping were: \n 8.33 MHz ISA bus, AT architecture where the CPU looks at the card through a \n 64K "window", etc.\nOther non-SVGA standards: \n8514/a:\n IBM\'s own standard, interlacing graphics accelerator with graphics functions \n like linedraw, polygon fill, etc. in hardware. Some clone implementations \n from ATI are the fastest video available today, though some clone models do \n not have interlacing. \nTMS34010/34020: high end graphics co-processors, usually >$1000, some\n do 24-bit, speeds up vector-oriented graphics like CAD.\nXGA: eXtended Graphics Array\n newer and faster than 8514/a, only available for MCA bus-based PS/2s, clones \n are coming out soon. Emulates VGA, EGA, and CGA (DCT). Max resolution at \n 1024x768x8b, same as 8514/a, also some 16 bpp modes.\nXGA-2\n Accelerates graphics functions up to 20 times faster than standard VGA in\n Windows and OS/2, including line draws, bit and pixel-block transfers, area\n fills, masking and X/Y addressing. Has an intelligent way to detect and co-\n exist with other XGA-2 cards, so multiple desktops like on the Mac may not be \n far away. Since this is an architecture, its resolution and color depth \n isn\'t fixed {IBM implements only 16-bit [65,536] color, while other \n companies can have 24-bit color through IBM technical licenses}. Refresh \n rates up to 75 Hz, ensures flicker free, rock solid images to reduce visual \n discomfort, and is VGA compatible. Up to 1280x1024 on OS/2.\n*some monitor types usable by Mac-See Mac section above for specific details.\n\nExpansion\nBoth Mac & IBM\nSCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM.\n Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card \n expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM. \n Main problem: there are a lot of external devices which are internal \n terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port \n {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and at the \n end. Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}. \nSCSI-1: 7 devices per SCSI controller. 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}\n and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfers. Difference is due to SCSI-1 software\n drivers. "Fast SCSI-1" is a misname for 8-bit SCSI-2 in SCSI-1 mode\n {see SCSI-2 for details}.\nSCSI-2: 10 devices per SCSI controller in SCSI-2 mode. SCSI-2 is fully\n SCSI-1 compliant and 8-bit SCSI-2 tends to be implemented as a very fast\n SCSI-1 since it does not require the different controller interfaces in \n hardware and software that 16 and 32-bit SCSI-2 do. Transfer speeds are\n 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and\n 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst {32-bit/wide and fast}. Since 8-bit SCSI-2 can\n use SCSI-1 software drivers and hardware at 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds and as such\n is limited to 7 devices sometimes it is mistakenly called "fast SCSI-1". \n 16-bit fast SCSI-2 requires a SCSI-2 software driver and SCSI-2 electronics\n but can still use the SCSI-1 ports. Wide 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 require a\n different SCSI port, electronics, and software driver from SCSI-1 {Which\n makes them more expensive than other SCSI interfaces}.\nMac SCSI: asynchronous SCSI-1 built-in standard since the Plus. Even though \n Apple developed some specifications for SCSI controlers, the OS SCSI Manager\n needs to be rewritten to take full advantage of the features of both SCSI\n interfaces. As a result present SCSI-2 Macs use 8-bit SCSI-2 as a fast \n asynchronous SCSI-1. Presently Quadras are the only Macs with a SCSI-2\n controller chip built-in (Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)) \n though they lack some other parts of the hardware, like the wide SCSI-2 port \n interface. Since other Macs require a NuBus card to use SCSI-2, older NuBus \n Macs had a bottleneck due to the speed of the NuBus and CPU. Rumor-some\n Cyclone Macs {June} will come with a wide & fast SCSI-2 port standard \n and have a rewritten OS SCSI manager.\nIBM SCSI: SCSI-1 is not too wide spread yet, generally not bundled with \n systems, except as add-on {EISA and VESA Local Bus adapters avalable}.\n Like the Mac, 8-bit SCSI-2 is used as a very fast SCSI-1 by most controllers\n out there. Unlike the Mac, IBM has no exact SCSI controller specifications\n which results in added incompatibilities for SCSI.\n\nMac\nMemory expansion: with a few exceptions the Mac has used non-parity 30-pin \n 8-bit SIMM memory expansion since the Plus. While 32-pin 9-bit parity SIMMs\n could be used in these Macs, only special IIcis could make use of the parity \n feature {By convension both SIMM types are called 32-pin SIMMs}. The IIfx \n used 64-pin parity SIMMs. The LC III, C610/650 and Q800 all use a new \n 72-pin SIMM that is accessable by 32-bits at a time and is used in IBMs.\n The Mac does a complete memory check at startup by writing/reading every\n memory location; if something is seriously wrong with a SIMM the Mac will\n not boot and give a sound chord indicating what the problem is.\n Since Macs made before Feb 15, 1993 managed memory baced on data path, SIMMs \n had to be installed in pairs {16-bit} or in sets of 4 {32-bit}. The Centris \n 650 and Quadra 800 eliminate this with a new memory management setup that \n allows memory to be upgraded one SIMM at a time. If the SIMMs are the same \n size are used then the memory is \'interleaved\' across the two SIMMs resulting \n in a 10-15% performance boost on RAM access (MacWorld Apr 93: 108-109).\nPrinters, ADBs, and modems: built-in interfaces standard.\nMonitor interface and sound input: built-in on most present macs. \nPDS: Available in SE & all present non-Powerbook Macs. 16-bit {SE, \n Portable, LC, LC II, Classic line} and 32-bit. Operates at CPU\'s MHz. \n Maximum through put: data path in bytes*CPU\'s MHz {Q700/900 & C650: \n 4 * 25Mhz = 100MB/s; Q800 & Q950: 4 * 33Mhz = 132MB/s}. Standardized with\n the LC and 040 bus designs. With an adapter one NuBus card can be used in \n IIsi and C610. Problem: some cards have timing dependency which slows \n through put down.\nNuBus Mac II: 32-bit, 10 MHz bus clock, 1-to-1 transaction/bus cycle ratio,\n and contiguous, hand-shake transactions at ~10-20MB/s; theoretical peak:\n 40MB/s. Built-in on all Modular Macs except the LC series, C610, and \n Performa 400. The SE/30 could be adapted to use this and there was even a \n Mac Plus SCSI NuBus. Supports every possible expansion from CPU to Ethernet \n to DMA.\nNuBus 90: NuBus Mac II back compatable. 20MHz bus clock, avg throughput:\n ~30MB/s; burst mode: 80MB/s. Future card designs will be 7" instead of the \n old 12".\nQuickRing: A peer-to-peer bus used in parallel with NuBus 90. Apple\'s \n VLBus - "Architecture is identical to that of VLBus" (Byte 10/92:128).\n Burst mode: 350MB/s (Byte 10/92:128). In development.\nCPU expansion: handled either through the PDS or the NuBus. Unlike PDS, \n Nubus CPU cards {example-Radius Rocket} allow use of multiple processors at \n the same time. This is like having two or more Macs in the same box able to \n dual task or joinly process depending on the card or software involved {Each \n NuBus card needs its own memory but most NuBus cards of this type come with \n 8MB RAM SIMMs on the card standard}.\n\nIBM\nMemory expansion: parity SIMMs, non-parity SIMMs {some newer models do a Mac-\nlike SIMM memory check}, or a dozen or so different types of memory boards.\n\nHD Interfaces {limited to hard drives by design or lack of development}: \nMFM: Modified Frequency Modulation, RLL: Run Length Limited\n only used with smaller [² 60mb] hard drives.\nIDE: Integrated Device Electronics \n Asynchronous {~5MB/s max} and synchronous {8.3MB/s max} transfer.\n currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized \n drives. Can have more than one hard drive. \nESDI: Enhanced Small Device Interface\n ~1.25MB/s throughput. generally considered better interface than SCSI-1 in\n many ways but not common enough for practical consideration. Outside of\n hard drives, device choices are very limited compared to SCSI-1. \n\nBUS interfaces\n{New \'plug and play\' ISA and EISA compatable cards may have problems working \nwith old cards (InfoWorld; PC Week 03/08/93; Vaporware 4/93).}\nISA\n 8 & 16-bit interfaces common. Has 24-bit data path limit {which produces a\n 16MB limit for which there are software workarounds} (PC Mag 4/27/93:105).\n 1.5 MB/s (Byte 3/93:132). Uses edge-triggered interrupts, can\'t share them,\n hence comes the IRQ conflict. Limited busmastering capabilities, some cards\n aren\'t bandwidth limited {COM ports, LPT ports, game ports, MIDI card, etc.}\n while others are {video and disk controllers}. Dominant factor, but it\'s\n showing its age. Most ISA motherboard designs are 16-bit\n (PC World Feb 1993: 144-5)}. \nMCA {Micro Channel}\n IBM\'s 16 and 32-bit bus; "allows use of more than one CPU in a computer" \n (DCT) and anything can talk to anything, as fast as the two components \n involved can handle it. Never took off because it was incompatible with ISA \n and EISA. Planned to be bus interface of IBM PowerPC 601 (Carl Jabido).\nEISA {NuBus Mac II is closest Mac equivalent}\n 32-bit, 8.33 MHz, burst mode: 33MB/s. It also has the ability to \n self-configure cards like MCA and allows multiple bus masters, sharable \n interrupt and DMA channels and multiple CPU use.\nVESA Local Bus: VLB {Sometimes mistakenly refereed to as PDS}\n Local Bus standard. Runs at CPU clock rate, Burst modes: ~130 MB/s{32-bit}\n 250 MB/s{64-bit} (Byte 10/92:128). Limited to three slots but allows bus \n mastering and will coexist with either ISA or EISA. Consitered ideal for \n video and disk I/O. DELL has filled a claim that this violates one of\n their patents (Mel Martinez).\nQuickRing: Apple\'s faster {350 MB/s burst} version of VLB architecture\n (Byte 10/92:132). Might show up in some IBM and PowerPC machines\n (Byte 10/92:132-133). In development.\nPCI\n Intel\'s version of Local Bus that is intended to totally replace \n ISA/EISA/MCA. In development.\n\nOSes {assumes full installation [print drivers, fonts, Multifinder, etc.]\nand multiple application use.}\nMac\n512K to 1MB of OS and hardware commands have been put into ROM. This allows \nApple to control its machine by putting key hooks for the Mac OS {QuickDraw, \nmenu commands, print, mouse, SCSI & sound drivers, etc} in ROM, which require \nclone makers to use the ROM chip or read ROM on to disks {Which requires \naccess to the proper Mac since different Macs have slightly different ROM \nchips; Plus vs Classic for example.} With key hooks for the OS support \ninterface in ROM, programers do not have to worry as much whether the disk OS \nhas the necessary hardware commands or that those commands are consitant and \ntherefore can write smaller programs. This also allows Apple greater control \nover hardware-software standards and that the disk OS can be smaller and, with \nsome of the tookbox command code in ROM, with lower RAM requirements then a \ntotally disk based OS. Macs use Masked ROM which is as fast as DRAM (Jon \nWtte).\n6.0.7: Single program usage base requirements: 1 MB and DD floppy, \n cooperatively-multitasking base requirements: 2MB and HD floppy. \n Features a GUI, cooperative-multitasker [MultiFinder], standard program \n interface, & standard stereo sound support [snd]. Network receiving part of \n AppleShare software is bundled with the OS. Has a 8MB RAM barrier and is a \n 24-bit OS. Some third party products allow 14MB of Virtual Memory as long as \n real RAM is below 8MB.\n6.0.8: 6.0.7 with 7.0.0 print drivers.\n6.0.8L: System 6 for some Macs that require System 7.0.X.\n7.0.X: Base requirements: 2MB, 40MB Hard Drive, and 68000; De-facto standard \n to run all features well: 4MB, 80MB Hard Drive, and 68030 {lowest present \n non-portable Mac configuration}. Using up to 10.08MB {This is EVERYTHING on\n system disks} of hard disk space this has 6.0.7 features plus program linking \n within and between computers [IAC], built-in server capabilities {Filesharing \n can be used by older OSes using AppleShare Client software and can be \n accessed by 10 macs max; 4-5 is more speed practical, IAC requires 7.X}, \n Virtual Memory in machines with MMU{1.6 times real RAM for least noticeable \n IIsi speed degradation}, drag and drop, QuickTime & built-in TrueType \n support. Supports sound input [AIFF and snd formats] for most present \n machines. Can access up to 1GB of true RAM and 4GB of virtual memory and is \n both a 24 and 32-bit OS. To use real RAM beyond 8MB it must be in 32-bit \n mode and on older machines requires the \'Mode 32\' extension. Apple\'s last \n \'free\' OS.\n7.1.0: 7.0.1 with WorldScript support, speedier, and less RAM usage than \n 7.0.dot (MacWeek 8/24/92; 9/14/92; PC Week 9/7/92). To run in 32-bit mode \n on older machines it requires the \'Mode 32\' or \'32-Bit Enabler\' extension. \n Marks the start of Apple saling its Mac OS instead of allowing free upgrades\n {Bundled with new machines, $49 for 7.0.X upgrades, $99 otherwise}.\n [The installer has a bug that when upgrading it may keep some old system \n fonts from the previous system inside the system file. This can eat up any \n RAM benefits and cause other problems. Apple itself recommends removing all \n fonts from the system file.]\nA/UX 3.0 [UNIX]: Needs 8MB RAM {12-20MB suggested}, 160MB hard drive, and \n a 68030 or 68040 equivalent to run. This 32-bit preemptive multitasking OS \n is large due to being UNIX and needing translators between it and the Mac \n ROMs. Price: $709.\nNote: sound output was supported in OSes 3.2 to 6.0.5 by many formats \nincluding the following: snd, WAVE, ASND, FSSD, QSSN, SMSD, SOUN, dc2d, and \nDCFL. In 6.0.7 the sound manager was optimized for the sound standards \'snd\' \nand AIFF which causes some playback problems for the old formats, though most \nstill play.\n\nIBM\n Machiness have little GUI code, data, and hooks present in hardware for \nprogrammers to work with, so most of the coding must be provided in the OS. \nSince hard disks were slow the disk OS code is read into RAM. In addition, \nwhat little ROM code there is also read into RAM {a process called Shadow ROM} \nThis results in faster implementation since RAM is faster then PROMS or \nEPROMS. Having most of the OS code on disk has the advantage of being able to \nbetter optimize the code given a certain piece or collection of hardware which \nis harder with a ROM based system due to the \'patches\' needed. In addition it \nreduces the need for and size of patches if a major revision of the hardware \nsupport is needed.\nSide note: The FTC charged that MicroSoft formed a OS trust by not providing \nall feature documentation for its OSes to developers outside MS and designing \nits Windows and DOS apps to fail under OS/2 ("Undocumented Windows") and \n"There is deliberate code in [Windows] NT Beta which causes the install to \nabort if OS/2 Boot Manager is present" (Gregory Hicks, Info-IBMPC Digest V92 \n#201). Due to a conflict of intrest by one member the vote of the FTC \njudicial council for action against Microsoft was a tie which resulted in no \naction. Rumors-the FTC will presue the matter, likely to the point of \nchoosing a new member or whole new council. In addition the government has \nturned down Microsoft\'s copyright of "Windows" which would allow it to charge \na fee for developers using their hooks (PC Week 03/08/93).\nMicroSoft OSes\nDOS 5.0: Has a 640K barrier with its own memory manager, a 1 MB barrier \n with third party memory managers. This 16-bit OS requires that each program \n must provide its own print drivers and be 16-bit {Programs need to be DOS \n Protected Mode Interface (DPMI) compliant and running on a 386dx [32-bit \n Protected Mode] to break these barriers}. Contains the GUI shell present in\n DOS 4.0.\nDOS 6.0: DOS 5.0 with the added features of a built-in file compresion, disk \n defragmenter, debugger for the CONFIG.SYS file. It needs a $80 module for \n networking {Cost: $50 through 5/93, after that $129.99} \n (Byte April 1993:44-46).\nDOS 7.0: 32-bit DOS. In development (PC Week 04/05/93).\nWindow 3.0: Runs on top of DOS. Breaks 640K and 1M barriers but still has to \n deal with DOS file structure. Base requirements: 1MB, floppy and 286; to\n run well 2MB, hard drive, 386sx and fast display adapter {> 8-bit}. Has the\n equivalent of Mac\'s QD called Windows GDI [Graphics Device Interface].\n This does not have a consistent application interface {Like early Mac\n programs (1984-1985)} nor a very large program base {compared to DOS} and\n still tends to slow the machine down (Info-IBMPC Digest V92 #186) with speed\n is more dependent on the display adapter then on the CPU (Bill Coleman).\n Window programs tend to be disk and memory hogs compared to their DOS\n counterparts (Byte April 1993:98-108).\nWindow 3.1: A faster version of Window 3.0 with better memory managment. Base \n requirements 1 MB, hard drive and a 286 ;to run well 2MB, hard drive, 386sx. \n Apple plans to release its print drivers for this (PC Week 12/28/92).\nWindows for Workgroups: To run well: 4MB RAM and 386dx (PC World Feb/93:160). \n Intermediary between Win 3.1 and Windows NT. It is basically Windows 3.1 \n with built-in peer to peer networking support.\nWindows NT: Beta release takes about 50MB of disk space [including the \n swap file], and 12MB RAM {Betas are notorious for RAM usage especially in \n the interaction between debuging code and program compliers, hence the \n reports of 24MB requirements}. Released version supposed to need 8MB RAM \n but, Gates himself now recommends 16MB RAM (PC Week 04/15/92).\n This 32-bit OS has Protected mode multitasking, multithreading, symmetric \n multiprocessing, a recoverable file system, and 32-bit GDI. Has built in\n networking that is OSF DCE compliant and can handle up to 4GB of RAM. Even\n though some people see a July 4 release date (InfoWorld Nov 16/92), rumor\n is that the final version will not be available before Oct 1993\n (InfoWorld May 25/92; July 6/92; Vaporware 07/92; 08/92) or 4th quarter 1993\n (PC Week 09/28/92). Windows upgrades will be $295, otherwise $495\n (PC Week 04/15/92; 03/15/93).\nOther OSes\nPC-DOS 6.0: IBM\'s version of DOS 6.0. It runs Windows much faster then DOS \n 6.0 due to faster file I/O and video handling (InfoWorld Feb 1, 93).\nDR DOS 6.0: same as DOS 5.0 with some extras {like built-in data compression} \n and memory management enhancements. Still has 640K/1MB barrier. A later \n version {Novell DOS} of this may use a version of the Mac finder and Apple \n file management system (PC Week 12/14/92; InfoWorld Dec 14/92).\nOS/2 2.0: Unix like features and unix like requirements; 8-16MB RAM,\n 60MB {uses 17-33MB} hard drive, and 386dx CPU. This 32-bit multithreaded, \n multitasking OS can address up to 4GB of RAM but has to use a fast swap file \n to use more than 16 MB RAM on ISA systems using DMA {Direct Memory Access}. \n IBM plans to use Taligent\'s OOPS in future versions of this \n (InfoWorld Oct 26/92).\nAIX: IBM\'s UNIX system, planned to be a subset of PowerOpen and Taligent OS.\nNeXTStep: GUI UNIX to provide NeXT features on IBM machines. Beta out, final \n version to be out by May 25, 1993.\nSolaris OS for x86: a SunSoft port. A 32-bit OS with symmetric \n multiprocessing and multithreading, built-in networking capabilities with \n tools to allow remote configuring and adminstration features, and \n communication package. Client: $795, 50 users server: $1,995, 1000s users\n server: $5,995. Developer kits-software: $495, hardware: $195.\nMac 7.1 [working name: Star Trek]: Apple had System 7.0 running off Intel \n Chips and is looking at making a 7.1 version available for IBM \n (ComputerWorld Nov 2/92; MacWeek 03/22/93). At present this is planned to run \n on top of Novell\'s DR DOS, require a 486 or equivalent to run and that apps \n will need to be recompiled (MacWeek 03/22/93). Viewed as Novell\'s answer to \n Windows NT. The complexity of PC hardware set ups is one reason for slow \n progress {This seems to Apple/IBM\'s way of leading to the PowerPC line out in \n late 1993/early 1994 and Pink OS in late 1994-early 1995.}\n\nPowerPC\nRumor-IBM will build its PowerPC 601 by late 1993 (InfoWorld June 8 & 15, 92; \nMacWeek 7/13/92; PC Week 3/15/93). It will have MicroChannel bus and XGA \nvideo (Carl B Jabido), and will run native version AIX and Mac apps (PC Week \n3/15/93); there have been no comments on compatablity of DOS or Windows apps.\nApple\'s PowerPC 601 machine {Tesseract} is planned to be out Jan 24, 1994 and \nto have MC98601/50 MHz, 4/8MB RAM, a 2.8-Mbyte floppy drive and expected to \nsale near LC line prices {~$2000, down from projections of ~$3000 (MacUser \n9/92:146)}\n(MacWeek 3/22/93).\nPowerOpen [A/UX 4.0]: A 32-bit preemtive multitasking OS planned to run on\n PowerPCs and 68030/40 Macs (MacWeek 7/13/92). Intel compatibility uncertain\n (See Mac 7.1 above). Planned base requirements: 68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard\n drive (MacWeek 4/19/93). Rumor-ahead of schedule; COULD be out by mid 1993.\n Rumor-this could be the OS for IBM\'s PowerPC 601 which is due by late 1993.\nPink [Taligent OS]: Expecting delivery in 1994 (Wall Street Journal 1/12/92) \n and may have some parts shipping in OS/2 and AIX in 1993 and Mac OS and \n PowerOpen with the PowerPCs (MacWeek 01/25/93).\nWindows NT: Possible port (MacWeek 04/05/93). See IBM OS section for details.\nSolaris OS: Version of this Sun Microsystems Inc UNIX OS to run on the\n Power PCs in 1994 (MacWeek 04/05/93). One of the few OSes to directly state \n that it will run Windows/DOS programs. IBM OS section for details\nNeXTStep: possible port see IBM OS section for details.\n\nOS Number Crunching (Mel Park)\nMac\n Arithmetic is done in a consistent numerical environment {SANE or Standard \nApple Numerics Environment}. Floating point numbers are 96 bits long when an \nFPU is present and 80 bits otherwise. Exceptions, such as dividing by zero or \ntaking the square root of a negative number, do not cause an abort but are \nhandled in a logically consistent manner. 1/0 produces the internal \nrepresentation for infinity (INF). 1/(1/0) produces zero. The above treatment \nof 1/(1/0) occurs in an FPU-equipped machine even when SANE is bypassed and \nthe FPU programmed directly.\n\nIBM\n Floating point numbers are 80-bits with a hardware FPU, 64-bits when \nemulated. The way they are handled is dependent on the coding of whatever \ncompiler or assembler was used for a program. On older DOS complilers \nexceptions could cause program aborts; 1/0 and 1/(1/0) would abort to the DOS \nprompt at the point where they occured. Most present compilers handle this \nbetter. Result: there is little consistent handling of numbers between DOS, \nWindows and OS/2 programs nor between programs for just one OS.\n\nNetworking [Includes printing]\nWYSIWYG printing can be a problem with either Mac of IBM machines especially \nif one sends TrueType fonts to a older style PostScript printer.\nMac\nHardware: Built-in LocalTalk network port and a built-in printer port. \nLocalTalk has moderate speeds (230.4 Kb/s) requires special connectors for \neach machine ($15 and up) and can be run off of either the printer port {to \ninclude very old macs} or the network port {standard today}. Built-in \nEthernet is becoming common but many older Macs require a PDS or Nubus card at \nabout $150-$300 for each machine. These cards provide three connectors and \ntransceivers {thick, thin, and 10BaseT} for Ethernet.\nThe Macintosh Quadra family and some Centris models includes Ethernet \ninterface on motherboard, with transceivers available. TokenRing has been a \nnetwork option since 1989.\nSoftware: AppleTalk {the suite of protocols} standard with Mac OS, which can \nuse variety of media types. AppleShare client software included with the OS \nas well and can connect to file servers such as Novell Netware, 3Com 3+Open, \nBanyan Vines, DEC Pathworks, Apple\'s AppleShare servers, System 7 File Sharing \nmachines, and AFP servers running on variety of UNIX hosts. MacTCP allows \ntypical TCP/IP communications (telnet, ftp, NFS, rlogin). A later version \nwill have Unix X/Open Transport Interface (XTI) built-in by the end of 1993 \n(MacWeek 04/12/93). Third-party software to connect to NFS servers. DEC \nPathworks provides DECnet support. Peer-to-peer file sharing software \nbuilt-in to System 7.1 (See OS section). Full server software is extra. \nPrinting requires connection of the printer and the printer being selected in \nthe chooser. Changing printers is by selecting a different name in the \nchooser. The same is true of connecting to servers.\nPrinting bugs: Monaco TrueType font is different then the screen bitmap font.\n {QuickDraw QX is suppossed to fix this and similar problems.}\n\nIBM \nHardware: LocalTalk [not widely used], Ethernet, and TokenRing.\nSoftware: Novell Netware, Banyan Vines, DECNet, Windows/Work Groups, AppleTalk \nprotocols, and AppleShare {subset of AppleTalk}.\nEach of the MS-DOS networking schemes are, in general, totally incompatible \nwith the others. Once you have chosen one, you are pretty much locked-in to \nthat product line from then on. Windows/Work Groups is a little more \nforgiving and removes some of this problem. Novell Netware is the biggest, \n{~80 percent of the corporate market.} and in general is more powerful and \noffers better control/management/security than AppleShare, but it\'s also more \ncomplex to set up and manage. This will change due to the use of the Mac \nfinder and file management system by Novell. (PC Week 12/14/92 & 12/28/92; \nInfoWorld Dec 14/92; MacWeek 3/22/93)\nPrinting {Very OS dependent}\nDOS: If it\'s a single user, then you plug the printer into the parallel port, \n and don\'t worry about it {Tweeking may be needed with poorly written \n software}. Network Printing is not controlled by the system, but is mostly \n implemented by the actual program, therefore performance varies from one \n software program to the next.\nWindows 3.x: supports standard drivers and can do a good job of showing "jobs" \n in the print queue, but it always lists printers as "active"... even if they \n are not. This becomes a problem if there are several incompatible printers \n on the same net, because there\'s no way for software to reliably determine \n which printer is active right now. Windows for Workgroups is more Mac-like \n and intelligent about this.\nOS/2: Mac-like; the os deals with printers, with apps making calls to the OS.\nPrinting bugs: due to poor programing some programs for all the above OSes do \nnot have WYSIWYG printing. This is the fault of the programs in question and \nnot that of the OS involved.\n\nPrice issue: This is very dynamic with Mac providing more build-in features \nthan IBM and IBM being more \'get only what you need\' then Mac and price wars \nby both worlds.\nThe IBM machines\' modualar nature prevents any kind of true hardware \nstandarization, which in turn requires OSes and programs to be very complex to \nhandle ALL the variation in hardware. When one adds all the standard Mac \nhardware features to an IBM {built-in input/output sound support, SCSI, PDS, \nbuilt-in monitor support, built-in networking, standard mouse interface, and \nNuBus 90 in higher machines} the Mac tends to be cheaper then an equivalent \nequipted IBM machine {Especially since some IBM monitors can be used with Macs \nwhich cuts some more of the Mac\'s cost (MacUser Aug 1992:158-176)}.\n Some prices using some of the info in this sheet and MacUser April 1993.\nAll Macs below come with a PDS slot, VRAM, and SCSI-1 built in. Except where \nnoted, monitor is extra and a built-in monitor interface is provided {no card \nneeded except for 24-bit color display}.\nIBM planned a $1,200 386SLC/25MHz model with a 60MB hard drive and color VGA \nmonitor {~VRAM} (MacWeek 8/17/92) {sounds like a Color Classic without SCSI-1, \nsound support, built-in network support, FPU socket, built-in expansion to \n16-bit color, etc}.\nColor Classic: $1,389 - 030/16MHz with 16-bit data bus {~386sx/20MHz \nequivalent}, 4/80, FPU socket, and built-in monitor.\nLCIII: $1,499 - 030/25MHz {~386dx/33MHz equivalent}, and 4/160.\nCentris 610: $2,899 - 68LC040/20MHz {Depending on the program ~486sx/40 or \n~\'486dx2sx\'/20[40]MHz equivalent}, 8/230, built-in ethernet, 300i CD-ROM, a \nPDS/NuBus 90 slot and VRAM for 16-bit color.\nCentris 650: 040/25MHz {Depending on the program ~486dx/50 MHz or 486dx2/50 \nMHz equivalent} with a PDS and 3 NuBus 90 slots. $3,189 {ethernet, 8/80}; \n$3,559 {ethernet, 8/230}; $3,999 {ethernet, 8/230, CD-ROM, VRAM for 16-bit \ncolor}\n\nBibliography notes\n\'Vaporware\' is available in the digest/vapor directory by FTP on sumex-\naim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6] and was by Murphy Sewall {last issue: April 93.}\n\'Info-IBMPC Digest\' back issues are available from wsmr-simtel20.army.mil in \ndirectory PD2:<ARCHIVES.IBMPC>\n\'Dictionary of Computer Terms 3rd ed.\' (ISBM 0-8120-4824-5)\n\nThese are the facts as they were known to me on 4/15/93 and may be changed by \nnew developments, announcements, or corrections. Corrections to the \ninformation are welcome.\nPlease email corrections to \nCompuServe ID: 72130,3557\nAOL: BruceG6069\nInternet: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu\n\nFinal note: Since there is NO comp.sys.ibm.pc.advocacy group this has been \nposted to the closest relevent groups {comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, \ncomp.os.os2.advocacy, and comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc}. Also since some Mac vs IBM \narticles have been showing up in comp.sys.mac.hardware I have included that \nnewsgroup in the posting. {Don\'t site the comp.sys.mac.* FAQ as a reason not \nto post to comp.sys.mac.hardware, since the FAQ itself does not follow \ninternet guidelines, especially the de-facto "[all] the FAQs for a newgroup \nhierarchy should be posted to ALL newsgroups in the hierarchy" standard.}\n\n"Eliminate the impossible and what ever remains, no matter how improbable,\nis the truth" -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle through Sherlock Holmes in The \nAdventure of the Beryl Coronet, The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier, Sign of \nFour and The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans.\n\n"The Computer is your friend"--Parinoia RPG\n',
'From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nOrganization: Hand Held Products, Inc.\nLines: 76\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com\n\nIn article <CMM.0.90.2.734814613.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> Thomas Parsli \n<thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:\n> \n> \n> \tObservations from a naive norwegian:\n> \n> \t1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to \n> \thave something more macho than stamps to collect.....\n> \n> \t2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than\n> \twith a knife or a bat (as in baseball).\n> \n> \t3) It\'s not very wise to compare two completely different\n> \tcountries like USA and, let\'s say, Island on issues like\n> \tcrime and violence.\n> \n> \t4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools\n> \tbeeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration.\n> \nOnly as far as it affects the crime rate.\n> \n> \tWe have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently\n> \tit was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun.\n> \tShotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it\n> \twas so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes.\n> \tThe solution was to restrict the sale, so it\'s now necessary to \n> \tapply and register your shotgun.\n> \tAnd -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell.....\n\nDid the RATE of crime fall? If not, the ban was of no use. It is the rate of \nviolent crime that matters, not the tools used. "It\'s the crime, stupid!"\n\n> \tThere are now a new law against wearing long knives in public,\n> \tand why should it be allowed ??\n> \n\nApparently that became the weapon of choice after the shotguns were banned. \nAfter that, they\'ll decide the car of choice is the Saab, and propose a ban on \nthat!\n\n> \tWhat I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that \n> \tyou (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence\n> \tthan on nudity and sex.\n> \tTry showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder...\n> \n> \tYes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human\n> \tright to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun\n> \tin your car??\n> \n\nYes. We still trust honest people here. For the time being.\n\n> \n> \t\t\tThe bad english is not my fault, it\'s probably\n> \t\t\tthe keyboard-software or the quality of the\n> \t\t\tsubtext on tv......\n> \n> \n> \tDisclamer(not):\n> \tThese are the views of all studens at my university,\n> \tall Norwegians and probably whole of the universe...\n> \n> \n> \t\t\t Thomas Parsli\n> \t thomasp@ifi.uio.no\n> \n\n\n--\njmd@handheld.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"I\'m always rethinking that. There\'s never been a day when I haven\'t rethought \nthat. But I can\'t do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93\n"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed \nin my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"\nWILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777\n',
'From: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM (Alice Taylor)\nSubject: accupuncture and AIDS\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 8\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tea4two\n\nA friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and\nwants to know if there is any danger of getting\nAIDS from the needles.\n\nThanks,\n\n\t-alice\n\n',
'From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2\nIn-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu\'s message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400\nReply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com\nOrganization: Lehman Brothers\nLines: 102\n\n\ndenning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes:\n\n Each chip includes the following components:\n\n the Skipjack encryption algorithm\n F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips\n N, a 30-bit serial number\n U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip\n\nHmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is\nderived deterministically from this serial number. That means that\nthere are only one billion possible unit keys.\n\n To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is\n first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1.\n S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a\n 64-bit block R1:\n\n\t R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] .\n\n Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and\n N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: \n\n\t R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] \n\t R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] .\n\n R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The\n first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The\n rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2\n are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow\n agencies.\n\nHmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial\nnumber N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2\nis an intentional way of assuring a "fail safe" for the government --\nU is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. If S1 and S2 do not\nchange they constitute effective "master keys" (along with F), the\ntheft of which (or the possession of which by various authorities)\ncompletely obviates the security of the system. However, more\ninterestingly, we know, for a fact that if S1 and S2 are fixed no\nmatter what the keyspace for U is no more than 2^30. Why not pick U1\nand U2 at random? Why this interesting restriction of they key space\nif it NOT to provide an additional back door?\n\nI find it disturbing that at the very best my security is dependant on\napproximately 30 bytes worth of information that could be written on\nthe back of a napkin.\n\nEven if S1 and S2 change periodically, the rationale behind this\nrestriction in the size of the keyspace seems strange if one is\nassuming that the goal is security -- and makes perfect sense if the\ngoal is an illusion of security.\n\nIf S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if\nthey can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key/serial number\npairs. We are assured that this cannot happen -- but no one\nunderstands how Skipjack works outside of government officials and,\nsoon, foreign intelligence services that gain the information via\nespionage. Presumably we will eventually have the information as well\n-- reverse engineering gets more and more advanced every year -- but\nby the time we know it may be too late.\n\n As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are\n written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a\n file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part\n U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third\n disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent\n 2 takes the second disk. The third disk is used to program the chips.\n After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the\n vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional\n assurance that no information is left behind.\n\nNone of this makes me feel the least bit secure. The silly notion of\n"destroying the laptop" appears to be yet another bizarre distraction.\nWe all know that you can\'t read data from DRAM that has been turned\noff for more than a few moments. On the other hand, what we don\'t know\nis why there is a need to generate the unit keys from S1 and S2 in the\nfirst place other than to weaken the system. We don\'t know if the\nagents in question would resist a million in cash a piece for their\ninformation -- its probably worth hundreds of million, so you can make\nthe bribe arbitrarily hard to resist. And to tell you the truth, doing\nthis in a "vault" rather than in Joe Random Tempest-shielded Room\nwith a laptop computer seems like melodrama designed to make\nhigh-school dropouts from Peoria impressed -- but it does very little\nfor most of the rest of us.\n\n The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the\n room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2,\n and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to\n the escrow agencies.\n\nWhat would this provide? Lets say the escrow agencies are the ACLU and\nthe NRA and their agents personally take back the disks and are always\nhonest. Who cares? The NSA must be laughing out loud, because they\nhave the algorithm to regenerate U given N and likely don\'t need to\nsteal they keys as they effectively already have them.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n',
'From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)\nSubject: Re: Hell-mets.\nSummary: Visual damage is NOT an indicator.\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes:\n> \n> In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says:\n> \n> >\n> > \n> > If I don\'t end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better \n> >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn\'t fit \n> >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a \n> >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might \n> >have some minor damage?\n> \n> == Wear the RF200. Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better\n> than no helmet or a poorly fitting one. I\'ve had many scratches & bangs\n> which have been repaired plus I\'m still confident of the protection the\n> helmet will continue to give me. Only when you actually see depressions\n \n> or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement.\n\n> -- \n\nThis is not good advice. A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed\ngetoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement. My head (helmeted)\nhit the pavement with a "clunk", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the\npaint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage. I called the\nhelmet manufacturer and inquired about damage. They said that the way a\nfiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack.\nThis is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a\nwider area. After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam\nliner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force.\nThey told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination\nof the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or\noutside of the helmet. They suggested that I send them the helmet and they\nwould inspect it (including X-raying). I did so. They sent back the helmet\nwith a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would\ncompromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection.\n(I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim\nprior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.)\n\nThe bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity\ncan be compromised with no visible signs. The only way to know for sure\nis to send it back and have it inspected. Note that some helmet\nmanufacturers provide inspections services and some do not. Another point\nto consider when purchasing a lid.\n\n--\nKen Franklin \tThey say there\'s a heaven for people who wait\nAMA \tAnd some say it\'s better but I say it ain\'t\nGWRRA I\'d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints\nDoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y\'know only the good die young\n',
'From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 33\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says:\n\n>In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes:\n>>\tAre there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why\n>>my MR2\'s engine sounds noisy? The MR2\'s engine is noisy at the best of times, \n>>but not even a nice nose - it\'s one of those very ugly noises. \n>\n>assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of\n>a large inline 4 that doesn\'t have balance shafts. i guess toyota\n>didn\'t care about "little" details like that when they can brag about\n>the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling.\n>\n>myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or\n>recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no\n>balance shafts.. it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you\n>ever want a halfway decent engine. \n>\n>if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do\n>except to sell it and get a V6.\n>\n>\n>eliot\n\nnice theory. too bad the MR2\'s never came with a four cylinder over 2.0\nliters. More like 1.6. Or did they? were the nonturbo MR2II\'s 2.2 or\nsome such?\n\nI also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders, must\npay SAAB a royalty for using their patented design..like Porsche\'s 3.0 I4...\n\nc ya\nDREW\n',
'From: starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God\'s Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nReply-To: starowl@rahul.net\nOrganization: Southeast Alabama Society of Warm and Fuzzy Star Worshippers\nLines: 14\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nOn 15 Apr 1993 22:34:40 GMT, Eric Sieferman observed:\n\n: Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb.\n: Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull.\n\n: If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion,\n: do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been\n: reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not\n: on the Endangered Species List. \n\nHow about "washed in the blood of Barney the Dinosaur"? :)\n\n--\nMichael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net)\n',
'From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)\nSubject: Re: First Spacewalk\nDistribution: sci\nOrganization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <C5suMG.2rF.1@cs.cmu.edu+ flb@flb.optiplan.fi ("F.Baube[tm]") writes:\n+At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk \n+(Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake.\n+\n+Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ?\n+\n+Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ?\n\nI, for one, would be an avid reader of a sci.space.ussr.what.really.\nhappened.\n\n-- \nBruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131\n',
'From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nIn-Reply-To: healta@saturn.wwc.edu\'s message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02: 51:29 GMT\nOrganization: Compaq Computer Corp\n\t<healta.145.734928689@saturn.wwc.edu>\nLines: 47\n\n>>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02:51:29 GMT, healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) said:\nTRH> I hope you\'re not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you\'\nTRH> ve given me.\n\nBut you have been courteous and therefore received courtesy in return. This\nperson instead has posted one of the worst arguments I have ever seen\nmade from the pro-Christian people. I\'ve known several Jesuits who would\nlaugh in his face if he presented such an argument to them.\n\nLet\'s ignore the fact that it\'s not a true trilemma for the moment (nice\nword Maddi, original or is it a real word?) and concentrate on the\nliar, lunatic part.\n\nThe argument claims that no one would follow a liar, let alone thousands\nof people. Look at L. Ron Hubbard. Now, he was probably not all there,\nbut I think he was mostly a liar and a con-artist. But look at how many\nthousands of people follow Dianetics and Scientology. I think the \nBaker\'s and Swaggert along with several other televangelists lie all\nthe time, but look at the number of follower they have.\n\nAs for lunatics, the best example is Hitler. He was obviously insane,\nhis advisors certainly thought so. Yet he had a whole country entralled\nand came close to ruling all of Europe. How many Germans gave their lives\nfor him? To this day he has his followers.\n\nI\'m just amazed that people still try to use this argument. It\'s just\nso obviously *wrong*.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--\nEd McCreary ,__o\nedm@twisto.compaq.com _-\\_<, \n"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/\'(*)\n',
'From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:\n}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in\n}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the \n}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch\n}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a\n}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than\n}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.\n\nThis is pretty damned complicated. I just make a "back off" motion with\nmy hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager\nbacks off. If they don\'t back off then, I find a way to get the hell out\nof there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete\nasshole. In any case, I don\'t want to be anywhere near, and especially\nnot in front.\n-- \nCurtis Jackson\t cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com\t\'91 Hawk GT\t\'81 Maxim 650\nDoD#0721 KotB \'91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" \'92 Collie/Golden "George"\n"There is no justification for taking away individuals\' freedom\n in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson\n',
'From: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca\nSubject: How is a Loopback connector made?\nOrganization: University of Western Ont, London\nNntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca\nLines: 9\n\nI need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial\nport so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the \nserial port.\n\nThanks for any help.\n\n\nSteve\n\n',
"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nReply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu\nDistribution: git\nOrganization: The Group W Bench\nLines: 36\n\nIn <C5sv4r.HFA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n\n[and quotes a lot of stuff unnecessarily]\n>In article <93869@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:\n>>\n>> [worth posting again ;-]\n>>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys,\n>>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming\n>>houses and violating civil rights under color of law. \n>>\n>>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution?\n\n>Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the \n>snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the\n>name of 'self defense.'\n\n>Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter.\n\nAin't got a pair of fatigues... and I don't blast people wandering aimlessly,\nI ask them what they're doing there... I only blast people who display\nobvious violent intent... like black-clad men with weapons climbing thru\nsecond-story windows, or people who break down the door instead of knocking.\nOr people who knock my house down with tanks and set it afire. Sound \nfamiliar yet?\n\nRiddle me this: Why the hell are the CONVICTED CRIMINALS in Ohio getting\nthe kid glove treatment, and the BD's are burned alive without a trial?\nPut aside who started the blaze, I still think any decent shyster can \nmake a case for cruel and unusual punishment, playing the sounds of\ntortured rabbits over the loudspeakers (where's the SPCA in all this?)...\n\nOh, and that's Mister gun-toter SIR to you, bucko. Just because you choose\nto abandon your rights, leave mine the hell alone, thankyouverymuch.\n\nGlenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)\nImpeach Clinton, Reno -- the case is prima facie.\n",
"From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft)\nSubject: Re: Playoff predictions\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 95\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com\n\n1st round: \n----------\n\nPITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. \n\nIt looks like a safe bet. NYI has been bagging it of late.\nNYI and NJD have a showdown Friday night for the honour\nof Pittsburg anyway. Pigsburg in 4.\n\nWASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. \nI think that NJD have a solid team and will compete with\nWASH. I agree though with WASH in 6.\n\nBOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. \nThe B's have been playing awesome hockey in the last\ntwo weeks. The only question is how long will it last?\nFuhr is a dud. BOS in 4.\n\nQUE vs MON: MON in 7.\nIt seems to me that MON is much like the VAN - no chemistry.\nThe Habs seem to be not in stride. QUE in 5. \n\nCHI vs STL: CHI in 4. \nSTL should not be in the playoffs. CHI in 4.\n\nDET vs TOR: DET in 6.\nI am a diehard Leaf fan but ... It seems that the Leafs\noffense is shutting down in the last week. Can they\nturn it around against Detroit. As I recall, the last\ncouple of time these two teams met, the Leafs were pummelled.\nI don't know if Bobbie is allowed in Canada yet. If he is,\nDET in 5. If not, DET in 6.\n\nVAN vs WIN: WIN in 6.\n\nUpset in the making here. Another team with bad chemistry.\nThere is something gone foul among Linden, Momesso and Bure.\nWIN in 6.\n\nCAL vs LA: CAL in 5.\nAnybody that says that LA could possibly beet CAL does\nnot watch the Smythe a whole lot. LA is a bunch of Geritols.\nCAL in 4.\n\n\n2nd round: \n----------\n\nPITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. \nIt seems to me that Pigsburg has some egos on their team. Their\nsaving grace though is Bowman. He can put anybody in their place.\nHowever, if PIGS have a quick first round, they may be a little\ntoo high. WASH could be there for a surprise. Having said that,\nI will say PITT in 6.\n\nBOS vs MON: BOS in 6.\nMON will not be there. BOS is surprising me of late. Cam is great.\nThe couple of wins against QUE last week have sold me with the\nB's. B's in 6.\n\n\nCHI vs DET: CHI in 7.\nYikes. This will not be pretty. But DET is running like a machine\nof late. They've had a non-busy end of the season in which they played\nlike killers. DET in 6.\n\nWIN vs CAL: CAL in 5.\nCAL has a solid team, a little weak in the nets. CAL will out\nmuscle WIN. CAL in 5.\n\n3rd round: \n----------\n\nPITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. \n\nI hate PITT. My logic eludes me. The dark side will take over\nand give BOS the extra push it needs to dump PITT. There may\nbe something to this - if you think of the rivalry. BOS in 7.\nCHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. \n\nFinals:\n------\n\nPITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. \n\nNO, no, no. We have BOS vs DET. I don't know what to say\nhere. Both teams will be flying and overdue. I will go\nwith goaltending and muscle and say DET in 7.\n\n\n-jake.\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: buddha@iastate.edu (Scott H Vann)\nSubject: The bad press Islam has recieved.\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 16\n\n\n\tI recently read an article in a local paper written by an Islamic\n person who was upset with the way Islam has been portrayed by western media.\n When a terrorist action takes place in the middle east, it is always played\n up as an Islamic Terrorist. However, when the a Serbian terrorist attacks\n the Croations, its not a Christian terrorist, its just a terrorist.\n\tI have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe\n the press, that Islam is somehow tied to violence. Often times you hear\n things like "They just don\'t value human life like we do..." and so on.\n I was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can\n change this image, or how I can help my friends to see that this is just \n hype. I would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e-mail,\n and I\'m not interested in hearing about how right the press is.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t-Scott Vann\n\t\t\t\t\tbuddha@iastate.edu\n',
"From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (BCG)\nSubject: Re: Knowing God's Will\nOrganization: uwcc\nLines: 20\n\nHi,\n\nI don't know much about Bible. Could you tell me the relations of\nChristians with non-Christians in Bible? How should be The relations of\nchristian nations with each other and the relations of Christian nations\nwith other nations who are not Christians?\n\nThe other question is about the concept of religion in Bible. Does the\nreligion of God include and necessitate any law to be extracted from\nBible or is the religion only a belief and nothing to do with the\ngovernment sides? If for example, any government or a nation is one of\nthe wrongdoings according to Bible, how should they be treated? \n\nIs there any statement in Bible saying that Bible is a guide for every\naspects of life? \n\nThank you.\n\nBeytullah\n \n",
'From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)\nSubject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 13\n\nAre you people sure his posts are being forwarded to his system operator???\nWho is forwarding them???\n\nIs there a similar file being kept on Mr. Omran???\n\nSalam,\n\nJohn Absood\n\n"Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a\n meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by\n a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter-\n most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to\n',
'From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber)\nSubject: camcorder sony 8 mm forsale $350\nKeywords: camcorder\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 10\n\nIt is 5 years old. Model CCD-V5. 6x zoom. Everything works perfectly.\nUses 8 mm tapes (not Hi-8, that was not around 5 years ago!).\n$350 plus shipping or best offer.\n\n-- \n================================================================\nGregg Weber\t\tLet it be, open and bright like the sky,\ngregg@netcom.com\tWithout taking sides, with no clouds of concepts.\n(510) 283-6264\t\t- kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa\n================================================================\n',
"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu)\nSubject: Good Hard-Disk driver for non-Apple drives? (Sys 7.1 compat.)\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi\nReply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 14\n\n\nHi there!\n\nWhat is your recommendation for a good hard-disk driver software for\nnon-Apple drives? I would mainly need it for a SyQuest removable media\ndrive, but maybe for some normal drives too.\nI have heard and seen good things about SilverLining, but don't know\nany competitors. It does not need to be fancy, filled with features...\nI more like it affordable.\n\nThanks\n\n--\nJartsu\n",
"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)\nSubject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy\nOrganization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.230808.581@cs.brown.edu> cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes:\n>Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, \n>then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was\n>already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they\n>reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will:\n\n>1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.\n\n>2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.\n\nbut what is Saturn's motivation here? they're already selling every\ncar they make, with multiple shifts in the plant. given this, what\npossible motivation could they have to lower prices?\n\ncheers,\n richard\n-- \nrichard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com\n``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of\n a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith\n",
"From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu\nSubject: Re: Ban All Firearms !\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com>, allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes:\n> \n> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod):\n> \n> >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up?\n> \n> Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide.\n> No comparison.\n> \n> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey\n> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and\n> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate.\n> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of\n> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a\n> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it.\n\n\tIf alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more\n\tdifficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. \n\tThe cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military\n\tin communications, intelligence gathering and firepower.\n\n\tIn a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into\n\tthis country has greatly decreased. This is because its\n\tvalue-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or\n\theroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical.\n\tNow, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on\n\tthe domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and\n\tthus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer\n\tis now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way.\n\tYou cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a\n\tgood dollar/pound deal. \n\n\tFirearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.\n\tIt would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production\n\twould have to be local. There are not all that many people\n\twho have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile\n\tfirearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could\n\tobtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and\n\taverage thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would\n\tpay through the nose for it. \n",
"From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)\nSubject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3\nArticle-I.D.: world.C52nBL.u5\nOrganization: Sun User Group\nLines: 192\nNntp-Posting-Host: bridge.sug.org\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.081605.12977@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:\n>epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes:\n>\n>>dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:\n>>There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although\n>>there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force\n>>libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works\n>>around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of\n>>the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads:\n>>\tXMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu\n>>to:\n>>\tXMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic\n>\n>No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS.\n>It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems.\n>\n>Casper\n\nI don't know how many hours you've spent on this, but the Sun User\nGroup makes X11R5 available on CD-ROM to its members. The 1992.1 disk\nhas both sources and binaries and it sells for $50. I've tagged a\ntable of contents and an orderform on below if anyone's interested.\n\nAlex Newman\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nAlex Newman\t(617) 232-0514 voice\tMy life may be stressful,\ntroll@sug.org\t(617) 232-1347 fax\tbut at least it's not boring\nSun User Group * 1330 Beacon St., #315 * Brookline, MA 02146\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\x0c\n\n\nSUG CD 1992.1 is X11R5 and GNU on a CDROM, priced at $50 to SUG\nmembers, including a caddy!\n\nSUG's emphasis has always been on supplying the greatest possible\nservice and value-added to our members. Last year, the SUG 1991 disk\ncontained plug-and-play X11R4, 20MB of additional essential binaries,\nalmost 200MB of Sun patches, fully-indexed archives of Sun-related net\npostings, priced at only $250.\n\nOur aim this year has been to reduce the price for disks which can be\nproduced inexpensively, but to continue to supply as much value-added\nas possible. To accomplish this, we will be putting out a two disk\nset, the first containing what's ready and needed now, the second\navailable later in '92, containing more SPARC binaries and other\nuseful material not found on previous disks.\n\nThe SUG 1992.1 disk, which was assembled by Robert A. Bruce, contains\na lot of essential source code, and we decided it would be a great\nservice to make it available right away to our members (and this\npricing makes this a good opportunity to become a member!) for $50 per\ndisk (including one of those hard-to-find caddies!). 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Binaries for: X Xsun\nXsunMono appres atobm auto_box bdftopcf beach_ball bitmap bmtoa\nconstype editres fs fsinfo fslsfonts fstobdf ico imake kbd_mode\nlistres lndir makedepend maze mkdirhier mkfontdir oclock plbpex puzzle\nresize showfont showrgb startx twm viewres x11perf x11perfcomp xauth\nxbiff xcalc xclipboard xclock xcmsdb xcmstest xconsole xcutsel\nxditview xdm xdpr xdpyinfo xedit xev xeyes xfd xfontsel xgas xgc xhost\nxinit xkill xload xlogo xlsatoms xlsclients xlsfonts xmag xman xmh\nxmkmf xmodmap xon xpr xprop xrdb xrefresh xset xsetroot xstdcmap xterm\nxwd xwininfo xwud\n\nCOPIES OF CONTRIBUTED X SOURCES (from export.lcs.mit.edu/contrib),\nwhich were then uncompressed/untarred into source directories (212MB).\nThese are sources only, and some of them were (after the date of\nproduction of this disk) included in the MIT contrib-2 and contrib-3\ndistributions.\n\nGNU SOURCES WHICH WERE uncompressed/untarred into source directories\n(88MB).\n\nSPARC BINARIES (and needed libraries) for these GNU programs: a2p ar\nas basename bash bison cat cc1 cc1plus chgrp chmod chown ci cmp co\ncomm compress cp cpio cpp ctags cut cvs date dd df diff diff3 dir\ndirname du egrep elvis emacs env etags expand expr fgrep find\nfind2perl flex fold g++ g++dep g++filt gawk gcc gdb ginstall gnuchess\ngnuchessn gnuchessr gnugo gnuplot gnuplot_x11 gprof grep h2ph head id\nident indent ispell ld ld++ less ln locate logname ls m4 make merge\nmkdir mkfifo mkmodules mknod mt mv nice nm oleo paste pathchk perl pr\nprintenv printf ranlib rcs rcsdiff rcsinfo rcsmerge rcstest ref refont\nrlog rm rmdir rmt s2p screen sed size sleep split strip stty sum tac\ntail taintperl tar tee test time touch tput tty uname unexpand uniq\nvdir virec whoami xargs xchess yes zmore\n\nAN ARCHIVE OF COMP.SOURCE.X postings, volume 0 through volume14\n(58MB). 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I enclose a US $ check for:\n\n __$ 60 (SUG member in the USA)\n __$ 75 (SUG member outside the USA)\n __$100 (Includes membership inside the USA)\n __$130 (Includes international membership)\n\n\n Name__________________________________ Signature___________________________\n\n Company Name_______________________________________________________________\n\n SUG Membership #(if known)_________________________________________________\n\n Electronic Mail Address____________________________________________________\n\n Telephone Number___________________________________________________________\n\n Check Enclosed_____ Mastercard_____ Visa_____\n\n Credit Card #__________________________________ Exp. date.________________\n\n Card Holder:__________________________ Signature:__________________________\n\n Ship to: Bill to:\n\n ______________________________________ ___________________________________\n\n ______________________________________ ___________________________________\n\n ______________________________________ ___________________________________\n\n ______________________________________ ___________________________________\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n[ ] I hereby authorize the Sun User Group to renew my membership\n and charge my credit card automatically on an annual basis.\n\n[ ] I do not wish my name to be included in non-Sun User\n Group mailings.\n\n[ ] I do not wish my name to be published in the Sun User\n Group member directory.\n\n[ ] I wish to be added to the Sun User Group electronic\n\tmailing-list (members only)\n\n\n OUTSIDE THE U.S. ONLY:\n\nIndividuals outside of the USA may find using their credit cards easier\nthan purchasing US$ checks as this eliminates bank charges.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Sun User Group\n 1330 Beacon Street, Suite 315\n Brookline, MA 02146\n\n\t\t Voice: +1 617 232-0514\n\t\t Fax: +1 617 232-1347\n\t\t Email: office@sug.org\n",
'From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc)\nSubject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51s16.ACz\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 17\n\nrmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:\n\n\n>Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six.\n>it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and\n>ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile \n>magazines \n>"automobile of the year" award, and are quiet impressive.\n\n\tIs the 24v LH under $16K, though?\n\n\n-- \nChintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n******************************************************************************\n*"Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral*\n***************They called him insane..." Peart "Cinderella Man"*************\n',
'From: m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante)\nSubject: VGA on atari monoitor ??\nOrganization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 11\n\nIs it possible to connect a atari monochrome monitor to some kind of VGA card?\n\nIf someone have done this please let me know how.\n\n\tThanx\n\n __ __ _ _ \n l \\ / l ___ ( \\/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se\n l l l l l / _ \\ \\ / \n l l\\_/l l( (_) l / \\\tInstitutionen f|r teknisk databehandling\n l_l l_l \\__l_l(_/\\_) Uppsala Universitet \n',
'From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Compiling help\nOrganization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project\nLines: 12\n\nI\'d like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c. The\nX distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say\nit has been tested on the machine. BUT, also in the release notes,\nnothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers. What am I\nsupposed to use for my r5 X server then? How can the OS be supported,\nbut not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can\nbe used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but\nI\'m *really* confused.\n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class." -Unknown\n',
'Subject: prozac\nFrom: agilmet@eis.calstate.edu (Adriana Gilmete)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 3\n\nCan anyone help me find any information on the drug Prozac? I am writing\na report on the inventors , Eli Lilly and Co., and the product. I need as\nmuch help as I can get. Thanks a lot, Adriana Gilmete.\n',
'From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)\nSubject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP!\nOrganization: USCACSC, Los Angeles\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com\n\nUpdate on location!!\n\nDirectory should be:\npublic/virtual-worlds!!\n^^^^^^\n\nSorry! :-)\n\nRobert.\nrobert@acsc.com\n\n',
"From: tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao)\nSubject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 28\n\ngoyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:\n\n\n>Can anyone tell me if this card works with the March OS/2 2.1 beta?\n\n I believe so, since the Buslogic cards have proven to be very \nreliable in OS/2 2.0....\n\n>Where do I get OS/2 drivers?\n\n Endusers (not OEM manufactures) will get all the software package with the\ncard which includes drivers for Novell, OS/2, Unix & Xenix and so forth.\n\n>Does this card work with the Toshiba 3401B cdrom? (in DOS or OS/2)\n\n Definitely.\n\n>Here is my setup:\n>quantam SCSI hd\n>toshiba 3401B cdrom\n\n>I'm considering the 542B because I have been told BusLogic's support is \n>better than Adaptecs and that the 542B performs better than the 1542C.\n>Anyways, I just want to know if the 542B will work in OS/2 & DOS with my\n>above peripheals.\n\n>Thank you extremely much for any and all replies.\n\n",
"From: smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)\nSubject: The Manitoban Candidate\nIn-Reply-To: bross@sandbanks.cosc.brocku.ca's message of 10 Apr 93 23:10:23 GMT\nOrganization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University\n\t<1993Apr10.231023.19680@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>\nLines: 18\n\nbross@sandbanks.cosc.brocku.ca (Brian Ross) writes:\n\n> In the world of the future, Bill Clinton will appoint Canadians to\n> govern all American institutions (starting with the American health\n> care system). We will be benevolent Canadian dictators.\n\nWith yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to\npay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect\nthat the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American\nshadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some\ntime between 1966 and 1968, tutored him in the ways of Canadian\nsocialism, awarded him with smokeless marijuana cigarettes when he got\nthe correct answers, then returned him to the states (under the\ncontrol of the domineering wife assigned to his case) to attain high\npublic office and destroy the evil individualistic and free market\nforces in America, thus shaping America in the Canadian image.\n\nSteven Smith\n",
'From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nNntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 27\n\n\n>In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes:\n\n>|> \n>|> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God\n>|> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about?\n>|> \n\nIt was around 1969 in the Shenandoah Valley near Woodstock, Virginia. Me,\nmy wife, a friend, his wife, and his 2 kids were hiking in a totally\ndesolate mountain area. All of a sudden, large rocks began raining down\non us. Looking up, we saw at least 3 punks gleefully letting loose rocks\nfrom what was an obvious stash. They were a couple hundred feet above us.\nMeanwhile, the women and kids were screaming and running for cover and the\npunks were shrieking with laughter. Me and my friend yelled for them to\nknock it off. They responded that we should "Get f***ed!". Me and my\nfriend drew our pistols and fired a couple of times into the trees above\ntheir heads. They ran. With no more 3-5 pound rocks coming at our heads,\nwe proceeded on our journey.\n\nSorry, but me and my friend saw no need to let it evolve to a more\n"violent" level than we were already experiencing. I guess we should\nhave tried harder to understand and cope with the anger that society\nhad instilled in them and was driving them to do such things. Guess\nthat\'s a cross I\'ll have to bear.\n\nBrad\n',
'From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)\nSubject: Re: New Uniforms\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.C51vwC.Lru\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\n\nIn <1993Apr5.224631.636@Virginia.EDU> tek2q@Virginia.EDU ("Todd Karlin") writes:\n\n>\tUsually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor\n>uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been\n>incredible.\n>\tAny thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I\n>remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my\n>guess he was wearing the exact same duds. \n>\tThe Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC\'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have\n>reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets\n>insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the\n>first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me\n>a little of the Dodger logo. \n\nAs far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their\nuniforms every year. Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets\nin cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps. Minor changes,\nbut they do change them often. Last year, I think they had New York in all\ncaps. Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year? What about\nPittsburgh?\n\n>\tMany teams have opted for a return to a previous style\n>of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional.\n>(Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once\n>bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also\n>seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the\n>early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums\n>construcrted throughout the sixties.\n\nI hate the gray. They should opt for more color (like the White Sox).\nI hate white team versus gray team. Spring training uniforms look much\nbetter.\n\n>\tWith salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one\n>in the comissioner\'s office, and inter-league play on the\n>horizon, it\'s nice to see that baseball at least looks like it\n>was meant to be. \n',
"From: bryan@philips.oz.au (Bryan Ryan)\nOrganization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia\nSubject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's)\nLines: 28\n\nspp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:\n\n>In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes:\n>>\tHello again,\n>> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking.\n>> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 \n\n>Jeff, just use the damned 373. Sure, there are oddball\n>latched memory chips, but do you really want to use them?\n\n>Sorry if I'm pedantic but: design your circuit using\n>reasonably available parts, and move on to more important\n>problems.\n\nWe're looking at a series of chips by WSI, the PSD3xx series. They have\n_mega_ address decoding logic on them, various ROM sizes (upto 1Mbit),\nvarious RAM sizes (upto 16 K), and 19 I/O ports which can be chip select\nlines, I/O or the buffered address lines.\n\nCute chip, 44 pin PLCC package.\n\nSecond sourcing may be a problem though :-(\n\n\nBryan Ryan, VK3TKX\nMelbourne, Australia\nbryan@philips.oz.au\n\n",
"From: make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff)\nSubject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1\nOrganization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany\nLines: 17\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: troll.cs.tu-berlin.de\nMime-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nHi all,\n\nhas anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory,\nafter compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ?\n\nSeems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded\nfunctions.\nFor example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions:\nvoid same_name ( void ) \nvoid same_name ( int )\n \nAfter trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the\nadress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined\nfunction pointer. \nAm I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ?\n\n\tthanx\n",
'From: kking@cs.uah.edu (Ken King)\nSubject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!! \nReply-To: kking@uahcs2.uah.edu (Ken King)\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept. - Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <C5K5Co.F09@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:\n>\tSorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after \n>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.\n>\n>\tIs it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be\'s?\n>A replica would be great I think. \n\n greetings:\n you may be in luck. i seem to recall seeing a blurb in one of\nthe kit car magazines about a company in norway who pulled a\nmould (sp?) off a real kubel, and has adapted it to the beetle\nfloorpan. as for the suspension, all i can remember about the\nvw thing i used to own is that it had about 3" more suspension\ntravel than a stock beetle, but i\'d heard that there were after-\nmarket parts for off-road use that were as good or better. note\nthat the major difference (looks wise) between a kubel & a thing\nare the hood and the fenders. the kubel had an external spare\nmounted *on* the hood, and the hood sloped down (for visibility?)\nsharply, and had rounded fenders. the thing has a lightly sloped \nhood with the spare mounted inside (unless moved to make for more\nluggage space...) and has half-hexagon shaped fenders (imagine a\nnut large enough to put a tire *in*, and cut off the bottom half\nof it...).\n unfortunately, i don\'t have that info anymore. try stopping\nat a local bookstore and copying down the phone numbers for the\ntwo big mag\'s and calling them. they might be able to get the\nnumber for you (don\'t forget to calculate the time difference to\nnorway before calling...).\n\nlater,\nkc\n-- \n ___==A==___ | Quick Bones, help me get | #include \n .---==== ( o ) ====---. | this Klingon off my *ss! | <std/disclaimer.h>\n / ~~~~~~~~~~~ \\ | Damn it, Jim, I\'m a | \n () kking@cs.uah.edu () | doctor, not a bidet! :) | \n',
"From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)\nSubject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 27\nReply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:\n\n>In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:\n\n> The only people who train for years to jump a horse 2 feet\n>are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets.\n>\n\n\tWhich, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about\nhorses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing\nmy Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>>\n\n\n>>\tOr I'm permanently injured.\n>\n>Oops. too late.\n>\n\n\tNah, I can still walk unaided.\n\n\n\n-- \nGo fast. Take chances.\n\n\tMike S.\n",
"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh!\nOrganization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 19\n\t<kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu>\n\nfrom Anna Matyas:\n>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it\n>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils...\n>> \n>>Gerald\n> \n>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they\n>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of\n>misconducts?\n> \n>And this comes from a Chelios fan...\n\nYeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35\nminutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the\nbest defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I\ncould. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!)\n\nRalph\n\n",
'From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)\nSubject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard?\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 15\n\nsmith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith) writes:\n>Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of\n>command-option for desktop rebuilds.\n\nI tried the right set and it didn\'t work. I\'m on the phone to their\ntech support right now and the guys doesn\'t know what a desktop\nrebuild is!!! He\'s got me holding for someone else...............\nAnd holding, and holding, and holding.\n\nOk they finally got back to me and said basically "it should work".\nWell it doens\'t and they don\'t know why. Guess it will go back to\nMacConnection and I\'ll buy something else. I\'ve got better things\nto do than play musical keyboards.\n-Terry\n\n',
"From: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)\nSubject: Re: Cobra Locks\nReply-To: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.\nLines: 105\n\n\nYou may find it useful.\n(This is a repost. The original sender is at the bottom.)\n-------------------cut here--------------------------------------------------\nArticle 39994 of rec.motorcycles:\nPath:\nscrumpy!bnrgate!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.ute\nexas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!eff!ibmpc\ncug!pipex!unipalm!uknet!cf-cm!cybaswan!eeharvey\nFrom: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)\nNewsgroups: rec.motorcycles\nSubject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?\nMessage-ID: <861@cybaswan.UUCP>\nDate: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT\nReferences: <1992Jul14.165538.9789@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>\nLines: 84\n\n\nThese are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without\npermission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks\nhave some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each\nlock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:\n\n\tBJ\tBottle jack\n\tCD\tCutting disc\n\tBC\tBolt croppers\n\tGAS\tGas flame\n\nThe table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and\nlock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.\n\n\t\tType\tWeight\tBJ\tCD\tBC\tGAS\tTotal\tPrice\n\t\t\t(kg)\t(sec)\t(sec)\t(sec)\t(sec)\t(sec)\t(Pounds)\n========================================================================\n=========\n3-arm\t\tFolding\t.8\t53\t5\t13\t18\t89\t26\nCyclelok\tbar\n\nAbus Steel-o-\tCable\t1.4\t103\t4\t20\t26\t153\t54\nflex\n\nOxford\t\tCable\t2.0\t360\t4\t32\t82\t478\t38\nRevolver\n\nAbus Diskus\tChain\t2.8\t600\t7\t40\t26\t675\t77\n\n6-arm\t\tFolding\t1.8\t44\t10\t600\t22\t676\t51\nCyclelok\tbar\n\nAbus Extra\tU-lock\t1.2\t600\t10\t120\t52\t782\t44\n\nCobra\t\tCable\t6.0(!)\t382\t10\t600\t22\t1014\t150\n(6ft)\n\nAbus closed\tChain\t4.0\t600\t11\t600\t33\t1244\t100\nshackle\t\n\nKryptonite\tU-lock\t2.5\t600\t22\t600\t27\t1249\t100\nK10\n\nOxford\t\tU-lock\t2.0\t600\t7\t600\t49\t1256\t38\nMagnum\n\nDisclock\tDisc\t.7\tn/a\t44\tn/a\t38\t1282\t43\n\t\tlock\n\nAbus 58HB\tU-lock\t2.5\t600\t26\t600\t64\t1290\t100\n\nMini Block\tDisc\t.65\tn/a\t51\tn/a\t84\t1335\t50\n\t\tlock\n========================================================================\n=========\n\nPretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about\nwhere and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my\nspare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of\nmy (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in\nrelative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to\nmanouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two\nbikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much\nhassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8\nweeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company\nto make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.\n\nAbus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US\nbut very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article\nis:\n\tMichael Brandon Ltd,\n\t15/17 Oliver Crescent,\n\tHawick,\n\tRoxburgh TD9 9BJ.\n\tTel. 0450 73333\n\nThe UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.\n\nDon't lose it\n\tIan\n\n-- \n_______________________________________________________________________\n Ian Harvey, University College Swansea Too old to rock'n'roll\n eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr Too young to die\n '79 GS750E \n\n\n",
'From: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Paul Peak)\nSubject: FOR SALE: 2 4MB 80ns SIMMs\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\nI have two 4 meg SIMMS that I am trying to sell. I\nhad them in my LC. I would like to get $100 for\neach one. They are only three months old and have a\nlifetime warrenty. They are 80ns simms. I will also\nconsider other reasonable offers. Please E-Mail me.\n\nDave\n\nInternet: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu\nAOL: skibum7\n\n\n',
'From: pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor)\nSubject: Re: No 32-bit box on Gateway\nNntp-Posting-Host: athansor\nOrganization: not much...\nLines: 20\n\nI got this from GW2000:\n\nFrom: gateway@aol.com\nX-Mailer: America Online Mailer\nTo: pastor@vfl.paramax.com\nSubject: Re: 32-bit disk access\nDate: Mon, 29 Mar 93 14:26:45 EST\nMessage-Id: <9303291426.tn05643@aol.com>\nStatus: RO\n\nJon -\n\nTo get 32bit access in windows all you have to do is edit the system.ini...\nLook under the 386Enhanced section and add this line to it\n"32bitdiskaccess=on"... This will give you the 32bitdiskaccess that you\nneed... Thanks :)\n\nRegards,\nScot Oehlerking (G2kScooter)\nGateway 2000\n',
'From: thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day)\nSubject: Re: _The Andromeda Strain_\nSummary: How well does it hold up?\nOrganization: Telectronics Pacing Systems\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <C5pvp5.82L@chinet.chi.il.us> dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:\n\n>Just had the opportunity to watch this flick on A&E -- some 15 years\n>since I saw it last. \n\nWow, the WWII channel did something not-WWII?\n\n>I was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film\n>for handling infectious diseases (and similar toxic substances).\n>Clearly they "faked" a lot of the computer & robotic technology;\n>certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction\n>itself, let alone the idea of a "space germ". \n\nThe graphics capabilities of the computers were very faked for movie \naudiences who have not ability or patience with numbers. The book was more \nrealistic in that respect. In all respects, actually. The robotics are \nstill out of range, but not impossible.\n\n>Quite coincidentally [actually this is what got me wanted to see\n>the movie again] I watched a segment on the otherwise awful _How\'d\n>They Do That?_ dealing with a disease researcher at the CDC\'s top\n>lab. There was description of the elaborate security measures taken\n>so that building will never be "cracked" so to speak by man or\n>nature (short of deliberate bombing from the air, perhaps). And\n>the researchers used "spacesuits" similar to that in the film.\n\nSF (and I"ve always wondered how Crichton escapes this classification) is \nusually ahead of science in both prediction and precaution. NASA\'s \ndecontaimination processes were supposedly taken to prevent SF story \ndisasters. I mean, NASA scientists were often SF readers (and \nsometimes writers) and felt pre-warned by their reading.\n\n>I\'m curious what people think about this film -- short of "silly".\n>Is such a facility technically feasible today? \n\nI think the film still holds up among the best of SF films, but that isn\'t \nsaying a whole lot.\n\n>As far as the plot, and the crystalline structure that is not Life\n>As We Know It, that\'s a whole \'nother argument for rec.arts.sf.tech\n>or something.\n\nYep.\n',
'From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 71\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\n\nIn article <1r27vo$425@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:\n>roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>:mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:\n>:\n>:According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off \n>:began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh \n>:had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. \n>:These were the "perfect children" resulting from the "great seed" of \n>:his "magnified horn". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar \n>:to the way Jim Jones has been described.\n>\n>I don\'t know how accurate the documentary was; \n\nThe documentary interviewed Koresh and current and ex-members. \nThe documentary disucussed Koresh\'s "Christ" status inside the cult, \ncult brain-washing techniques, and unusual sex practices (the leader \ngets any he wants, and tells others when they can or can\'t). I will let \nothers decide if using religious authority to have sex with a minor is \ntechnically child abuse or not.\n\n>however, Koresh was never\n>convicted of any crimes against children, nor was the BATF after him for\n>child abuse. \n>Their purview (in this case) is strictly in firearms violations,\n\nAll true.\n\n>so this information is irrelevant to the discussion.\n\nWell, if a fire was deliberately set by members of the cult, then the \nhistory and background of the cult is very relevant. The history \nand backgournd of the Jones cult was very important in understanding \nwhat happened at Jonestown.\n\nNot taking into account the history and background of Koresh\'s cult may \nalso help explain why the FBI and BATF so badly predicted the reponses \nthey would get from inside the compund nearly every step of the way in \nthis badly handled affair.\n\n>:FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background \n>:checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their \n>:decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill \n>:Koresh\'s own prophecy?\n>\n>Those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain *something*, but whether\n>their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know. And who\n>is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled? It only holds\n>meaning for the nine who survived.\n\nIt is likely that there will be at least two investigations (JD and congress) \nat this point.\n\n>:>Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far,\n>:>no one else has been able to talk to them.\n>:\n>:So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same \n>:details, will you believe them?\n>\n>*IF* they confirm the story, I probably will. Definitely not until then, \n>however.\n\nInteresting and conflicting details are starting to come out. I have \nreverted back to wait mode to find out whether the fire was intentional \nor accidental and how it started and why it spread so fast.\n\n>\n>Mike Ruff\n>-- \n\n\n-- \n',
'From: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin)\nSubject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.cis.ohio-state.edu\n\n> Hi there,\n> Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found\n> on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would\n> be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance.\n\nTry Parts Express in Dayton, Ohio also. They have a complete line of \nprofessional arcade buttons, joysticks etc...\n\nThe have a 1-800 number so call 1-800-555-1212 and ask them what the 1-800\nnumber for Part Express in Dayton, Ohio is. I love the free 1-800 directory \nassistance...\n\n - Dan\n-- \n Daniel Joseph Rubin rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu \n \n GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS!\n',
'From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 96\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>\n>(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes\n> > Sam Zbib Writes\n> >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.\n> >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about\n> >>anti-trust in the business world.\n> >>\n> >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial\n> >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines\n> >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says\n> >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of\n> >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those\n> >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so\n> >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,\n> >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some\n> >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.\n> >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.\n> >>\n> >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the\n> >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /\n> >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours\n> >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair\n> >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of\n> >>an international conspiracy. (I\'m not a conspiracy theorist\n> >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).\n> >>\n>\n>>Right now, I\'m just going to address this point.\n>>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,\n>>It didn\'t buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,\n>>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),\n>>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.\n>>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of\n>>it. It\'s called commerce. The owners, however, made no \n>>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting \n>>them by selling the land right out from under them.\n>>They are to blame, not the Jews.\n>>\n>>\n>\n>Amir: \n>Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was\n>it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the \n>fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of \n>any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews? \n\nIt was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it \nwithout notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible \nenough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving\nthem to their fate.\n>\n>Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine\n>(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate\n>treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while\n>Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord\n>would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would\n>be motivated to sell, regardless of the price.\n\nThe point is that the land was sold legally, often at prices\nabove its actual value. It was legal, and good business for\nthe sellers, though it left the Palestinians who worked the land\nin a poor situation. \n>\n>It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the\n>palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share\n>your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from\n>any ethical commitments just because it wasn\'t written down? \n\nI don\'t know if others share this opinion. It is mine,\nand I\'m sure there are some who agree and some who don\'t\nThe way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances \nbeyond their control, in that since they didn\'t own the land,\nthey didn\'t have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the "greater \nArab unity" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews\n(an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just \nbusiness. \n>\n>All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The\n>question was whether the intent behind the purchase was\n>aimed at controlling the public assets (land,\n>infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds\n>to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.\n>\n>Sam \n>\n> My opinions are my own and no one else\'s\n\nThe purpose of buying the land was to provide space and jobs for \nJewish immigrants. In any case, no matter what the purpose, \nthe sales were legal, so I really don\'t see any grounds for \ncontesting them.\n\nAmir\n\n\n',
"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nOrganization: Malaspina College\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.161737.28377@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:\n> \n> In article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:\n>>> \n>>> \n>>> +/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that\n>>> takes into account defensive play. It isn't a measure of defensive\n>>> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play.\n>> \n>> If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats\n>> should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect \n>> of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation\n>> tools!!\n> \n> IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man\n> advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated\n> because their point totals are inflated by power play points.\n> +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull,\n> John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck.\n> \n> Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can\n> inflate his totals.\n> \n> Gregmeister\n\nExcept for Vancouver, of course. Bure has a hard time scoring on that\npower play. He's got 7 shorthanded goals and 13 pp goals I think!\n",
'Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding\nFrom: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <C514ut.A5I@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n{drinking & riding}\n> It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says "eight hours, bottle\n> to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify\n> a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than\n> twice as strict as DWI minimums.\n\n0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 !\n-- \nBruce Clarke B.C. Environment\n e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\n',
'From: patchman@lion.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper)\nSubject: Personal to Ulf Samuellsson\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lion.wpi.edu\n\n\nDear Ulf,\n\n\tWould you possibly consider helpiMontreal Canadiens fans everywhere\nby throwing a knee-check in the direction of Denis Savard during your upcoming\ngame against Montreal? We just can\'t seem to win WITH him!\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tThanx alot,\n\t\t\t\t\t\tPete H.\n\n\n:-)\n\n\n###############################################################################\n!Pete Harper ! Baby, baby don\'t you hesitate \'cause I just can\'t wait!\n!patchman@wpi.wpi.edu ! Lady once you get me down on my knees, !\n!OR ! then you can do what you please . . . !\n!U_HARPER@jake.wpi.edu! COME ON AND LOVE ME! !\n! ! -Skid Row, "Come On and Love Me" !\n*******************************************************************************\n\n',
"From: hdr@ross.COM (Henry D. Reynolds)\nSubject: X11R5 on Sun4/110 cg2 comes up Mono\nNntp-Posting-Host: mowog\nOrganization: ROSS Technology, Inc. Austin, Tx.\nLines: 14\n\n\nThe 4/100 prints out the following message about it's framebuffer\n\ncgtwo0 at vme24d16 0x400000 vec 0xa8 \ncgtwo0: Sun-3 color board, fast read\n\nAnybody know the story on this?\n--\n\n- Can I have an IMPULSE ITEM instead?\n\nHenry D. Reynolds hdr@ross.com -OR- hdr@nidhog.cactus.org\nFONE: (512)892-7802 x253 ROSS Technology, Inc.\nFAX: (512)892-3036 5316 Hwy 290 West Suite 500 Austin, TX 78735\n",
'From: young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (YOUNG Shio Hong)\nSubject: Looking for free/share wares\nNntp-Posting-Host: poplar\nOrganization: Dept. of Information Science, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan.\nDistribution: comp\nX-Bytes: 285\nLines: 14\n\nHi!\n\nI am looking for ftp sites (where there are freewares or sharewares)\nfor Mac. It will help a lot if there are driver source codes in those \nftp sites. Any information is appreciated. \n\nThanks in advance.\n\nS. Young\nDept. of Info. Sc.\nUniv. of Tokyo\nemail:young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp\n\n',
"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu\n\nCarl Lydick:\n\n> And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any \n> evidence that that's the ingredient to which you reacted.\n\nBelieve what you will.\n\nThe mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of\na properly constructed scientific experiment disproving\nthe hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the\nmost likely explanation for events.\n\nSteve\n",
'From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Superstars and attendance (was Teemu Selanne, was +/- leaders)\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nDistribution: na\nLines: 62\n\nIn <1993Apr5.182124.17415@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n\n>Dean J. Falcione (posting from jrmst+8@pitt.edu) writes:\n\n>>But I think the reason is Lemieux\n>>had a 168 point season and was the first non-Gretzky to win the Hart and\n>>Ross since 1980. People turned out to watch him play. \n\n>I will grant that a star like Mario will draw fans, even if the team sucks. \n>But this is short term only; I still do not think the attendance increase \n>will last, unless the team is a winning/competitive/improving/butt-kicking\n>one. Pittsburgh was still getting better, so people continued to support\n>them. If they suddenly dropped to, say, 50 points, you\'d have knee surgery\n>for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon. \n\nI disagree. McNall has demonstrated with Gretzky that a star brings out the\ncrowds whether or not the team is expected to do well. Very few fans real-\nistically expect the Kings to do well this year (although I do) and yet they\nstill go out to see Gretzky. This is the marketing strategy - selling the\ngame by selling the stars - that is employed by Baseball and, notably, the\nNBA and this is the attitude that the new Bettman/McNall leadership is \nbringing to the league. They have gone on record as stating that they are\ntrying to sell the game on its stars. Timo Salami and Brett Hull are perfect \nexamples of players that real fans know aren\'t worth a damn and yet, being\nbenificiaries of marketing-oriented coaching strategies, have goal totals\nthat would indicate to the casual observer, the very fans the NHL wants to\nattract, that these players are indeed superstars.\n\n>>They made the transaction to try and build a winner around Mario, that is \n>>true. But the improvement in attendance came before they started doing\n>>this (Coffey late in 1987) and before they even had a playoff bound team.\n>>A doubling of attendance occured in 1984-85 from the previous year. An\n>>increase from 38 points to 53 points is not going to do that. The arrival\n>>of Mario Lemieux is what did it. \n\n>It might help to think about what would go through a fan\'s mind who suddenly\n>found an interest in Mario and the Pens. Was it "gee, Mario Lemieux is\n>amazing, I\'ll go watch him play", or was it "gee, now we\'ve got a *kick*\n>*ass* guy on *our* side, I\'ll go watch him play". I think it was the latter.\n\nIt ain\'t nearly so simple as this. The casual fan doesn\'t think about much \nat all. Can you actually find an adult with a 3 digit IQ who believes that\nMcDonalds makes good hamburgers?\n \n>I did provide the example of Rocket Ismail and the Toronto Argonauts of the \n>CFL...did you leave it out because you don\'t know much about the CFL? If \n>that\'s the case then fair enough, but if it isn\'t the case then I\'m curious\n>to hear your explanation.\n\nYes but apparently the Rocket has not lived up to his marketing responsi-\nbilities has he? He was hyped, initially, as a superstar, but outside of\none Grey Cup game he has done very little to maintain/enhance that assess-\nment of his talents. Most Argo fans probably feel the team would be better\noff without him. \n\ncordially, as always,\n\nrm\n\n-- \nRoger Maynard \nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n',
'From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy\'s Sweetie)\nSubject: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: Rowan College of New Jersey\nLines: 114\n\nDean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of\nMoody Bible Institute:\n\n> The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing.\n> It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing\n> evangelical Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we\n> are the only ones who know what the absolutes are.\n\n> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed\n> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic\n> importance of those absolutes."\n\nThere has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on\nexactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.\n\nThe arrogance being attacked is that we "think we are the only ones who know\nwhat the absolutes are". In short, many evangelicals claim that they are\ninfallible on the matter of religious texts.\n\nIn particular, the problem is one of epistemology. As a shorthand, you can\nthink of epistemology as "how do you know?" That question, it turns out, is\na very troubling one.\n\nThe problem with `absolute certainty\' is that, at the bottom, at least some of\nthe thinking goes on inside your own head. Unless you can be certain that\neverything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to\ndiscover a source of truth is in question.\n\nAnd that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of\nauthority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty.\n\n\nLet\'s take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional\nInerrantist named Zeke. (The following arguments applies to the idea of\nPapal Infallibility, too.)\n\nZeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and\nseveral other topics. He has concluded, based on all these studies (and\npossibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute\nTruth.\n\nHe may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct.\nHis conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made\nmistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes. His\nconclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made\nmistakes. His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made\nmistakes. (Noticing a common thread yet? 8-)\n\nEverything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that\nhappened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking. No matter what\nhe does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own\ninfallibility. As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own\nreasoning, that belief cannot be considered "absolutely certain".\n\nZeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief\nis only as good as the quality of the search he made for it. Unless he can\nsay that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt.\n\nAny belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on\nyour own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop. Only an infallible\nthinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs.\n\n\nThis is easy to demonstrate. Let\'s go back to our shorthand method of doing\nepistemology: "how do you know?" Imagine a hypothetical discussion:\n\n A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth.\n\n B: How do you know?\n\n A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church\n teachings and came to this conclusion.\n\n B: How do you know you studied history correctly?\n\n A: Well, I double-checked everything.\n\n B: How do you know you double-checked correctly?\n\n A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed.\n\n B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn\'t mean it is\n true. How do you know THEY studied it correctly?\n\n A: ...\n\nAnd, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say "I\ncan\'t prove that there are no mistakes" -- and as long as you may have made a\nmistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain.\n\nThere is no way out of the loop.\n\n\nThis is where the "arrogance of Christians" arises: many people believe\nthat their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the\ndoctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are\ninfallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.\n\nClaiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led\nyou to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.\n\n *\n\nPeople who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to\nfind _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon. He is attacking\nthe idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well),\nbut the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is\nknowably Inerrant.\n\n\nDarren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\n"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."\n -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n',
"From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nOrganization: Microsoft Corporation\nLines: 8\n\nIn rec.motorcycles egreen@east.sun.com writes:\n;Revving the throttle requires either [dis]engaging the clutch, \n;or accelerating. \n\nNot if it's a Harley.\n\n---\nchris\n",
'From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson)\nSubject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV\nOrganization: Color Computer 3: Tandy\'s \'game\' machine\nLines: 13\n\nkennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) says:\n>Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology\n>paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the\n>TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the\n\nTake a look over in alt.folklore.urban. There is a thread about subliminal\nmessages on TV. The fact that subliminal messages don\'t work aside, an image\ncan\'t be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed.\n-- \n Bob Billson, KC2WZ | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org\n $nail: 21 Bates Way, Westfield, NJ 07090 | uucp: ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob\n\n "Friends don\'t let friends run DOS" -- Microware\n',
'From: schietke@unitas.or.uni-bonn.de (Juergen Schietke)\nSubject: DIN-Fonts\nOrganization: Research Institute for Discrete Mathematics, Bonn\nDistribution: de\nLines: 25\n\nHello everybody,\n\nI hope that I insert the right Options, so that my question is only\ndistributed through out Germany, because my question is more or less\ncountry dependend.\n\nNow the question:\n Is there anybody who can tell my if (and of course where) there is\n a ftp-site/archie (or whatever) where DIN fonts for X are available.\n I am looking for fonts holding the specification:\n DIN 16\n DIN 6776\n DIN V 40950\n\n\nThanks in advance\n\nJuergen Schietke\nResearch Insitute for Discrete Mathematics\nUniversity of Bonn\nNassestr. 2\n5300 Bonn 1 (Germany)\n\nTel: +49 0228 738786\nE-Mail: schietke@or.uni-bonn.de\n',
'From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly...\nOrganization: Brown University Department of Computer Science\nLines: 47\n\ndgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes:\n\nGannon, why don\'t you tell the readers of these newsgroups\nhow you hail Nazism on your BBS, and post long articles\nclaiming non-Whites are inferior?\n\n# THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE\n\nThe Museum is entirely funded by private donations, but don\'t\nexpect this fact to deter "Maynard".\n\nBTW, Gannon\'s ideological fathers also had a passion for constructing\nmuseums and collections, some of which served to educate the\npublic about the racial supremacy of the Aryans. One such\ncollection was that of skeletons, and there was no lack of these\naround:\n\nLetter from SS-Standartenfuehrer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer\nDr. Brandt, November 2 1942\n["Trial of the Major War Criminals", p. 520]\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\nDear Comarade Brandt,\n\nAs you know, the Reichsfuehrer-SS has directed that\nSS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything\nneeded for his research work. For certain anthropological\nresearches - I already reported to the Reichsfuehrer-SS on\nthem - 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are\nrequired, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz.\n\n\nHowever, the good Doctor needed some more items to complete his\nresearch:\n\nTestimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration\nCamp\n["The Natzweiler Trial", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89]\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners\n(60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took\nplace, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the\ncorpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in\nStrasbourg.\n\n\n-Danny Keren.\n\n',
'From: martimer@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (jonathan Sawitsky)\nSubject: Re: What\'s wrong with this picture?\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.203212.28284@erenj.com> srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr3.152922.12050@iscsvax.uni.edu>, harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:\n>|> Fellow netters,\n>|> \n>|> Is anybody awake out there? When someone posted a message telling people to\n>|> stop posting computer ads to the misc.forsale group, he got about thirty\n>|> response here, not to mention the rash of E-Mail I\'m sure he received. Yet,\n>|> another person posts a message with the subject line "blow me" and an even \n>|> worse text, and only 3 or 4 people have the guts to say anything. The majority\n>\n>Not to mention the thread about selling someone\'s wife. I am a guy, therefore\n>not overly bummed by it, but a little common sense would dictate that this\n>is offensive to many women, and not really necessary.\n>\n\tGood point, but I was just thinking.. I wanted to sell my HP28sx\ncalculator here in this newsgroup... It is called a calculator, but really\nit is a computer, albeit a small one, but it does function as one... How\ncome car adds are acceptable? They cant run without computers nowadays....\nWhere does one draw the line? Accept it, live with it, and if you care to,\navoid it.... \njonathan\n-- \n I have lots of common sense... \n I just choose to ignore it.... Calvin\n..jonathan Sawitsky \'some random wierdo\' martimer@wpi.wpi.edu...\n',
'Subject: Re: Contradictions\nFrom: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\nLines: 49\n\nIn article <C52oys.2CLJ@austin.ibm.com> yoder@austin.ibm.com (Stuart R. Yoder) writes:\n>: \n>: Then what would it have to do with "in the universe"? You theists\n>: cannot understand that inside the universe and outside the universe\n>: are two different places. Put God outside the universe and you\n>: subtract from it the ability to interact with the inside of the\n>: universe, put it inside the universe and you impose the rules of\n>: physics on it.\n>\n>1. God is outside the universe.\n>2. Things outside the universe do not have \'the ability to interact\n> with the inside of the universe\'.\n>3. Therefore God cannot interact inside the universe.\n>\n>(2) has no basis whatsoever. You seem to have positive knowledge\n>about this.\n\n\t(2) is a corrallary of (1).\n\n\tThe negation of (2) would contridict (1).\n\n>\n>: Although we do not have a complete model of the physical rules\n>: governing the inside of the universe, we expect that there are no\n>: contradictory events likely to destroy the fabric of modern physics.\n>: On the other hand, your notion of an omnipotent, omniscient and\n>: infinitely benevolent god, is not subject to physical laws: you\n>: attempt to explain this away by describing it as being outside of\n>: them, beyond measurement. To me, beyond measurement means it can\n>: have no measurable effect on reality, so it cannot interact: ergo,\n>: your god is IRRELEVANT.\n>\n>1. God is beyond measure.\n>2. Beyond measurement means it can have no measurable effect on\n> reality.\n>3. Therefore God cannot have a measurable effect on reality.\n>\n>(2) has no basis whatsoever.\n\n (2) Is a corrallary of (1)\n\n The negation of (2) would contradict (1).\n--\n\n\n "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. \n They do what god tells them to do. "\n\n S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) \n',
'From: marrevola@rediris.es\nSubject: Re: What is Zero dB????\nOrganization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:\n> Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:\n> \n> : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company\n> : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by\n> : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets \n> : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.\n> \n> Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man\n> named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation\n> of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.\n> \n> : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus\n> : our use of the Ohms...\n> \n> I don\'t know about this one, but it doesn\'t sound right.\nAre you (two) joking?\nIs the entire Internet flaming you (two)?\nAhh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing "the pink\ncolored resistor", only for electronics working females ;-)\n-- \nManuel Arrevola Velasco ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||\nDoD #1033\n\n',
'From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Purdue University\n \n Can we please stick to AUTOMOTIVE topics . Thank you.\nLines: 1\n\n\n',
'From: matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043)\nSubject: Re: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face\nNntp-Posting-Host: pogo.nsc.com\nOrganization: Thought Police Watchdog Agency, U.S.A.\nLines: 370\n\n\nWho wants to look through the bars at some reactionary Liberal conspiracy-\ntheory idiots and see how they rant and rave at the erosion of their populist \nsupport? This is very typical of the elitist Liberal attitude that The People \nare incapable of thinking for themselves. This elitist attitude will be the\neventual undoing of the arrogant liberal tide sweeping America, as The People\nbegin to realize more and more that they are being treated like errant children\nand robbed of their freedoms by a bunch of Utopian arrogent socialist jerks.\n\n\nIn article 167077 in talk.politics.misc, New Liberation News Service \n<nlns@igc.apc.org> writes:\n\n>Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face\n>Lines: 164\n\n>From: New Liberation News Service <nlns>\n>Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face\n\n>/* Written 8:33 pm Apr 14, 1993 by nlns@igc.apc.org in igc:nlns.news */\n>/* ---------- "NLNS Packet 3.11 *** 4-14-93" ---------- */\n\n>Fascism with a Friendly Face: Does Rush Limbaugh Remind You of \n>Anyone?\n>Daevid Bornhuetter-Machen, The Madison Edge\n\n>"The main difference between Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh is that \n>Hitler was original and showed initiative." \n>--Mort Sahl on The Tom Snyder Radio Show, ABC Radio Network, \n>October 27, 1992.\n\nAlthough I find myself often disagreeing with the populist rationale\nof Mr. Limbaugh, I find him entertaining and I often agree with his \nconclusions. The fact that he sends liberal reactionaries like these\nidiots through the roof makes him all the more entertaining.\n\n\n\n>(NLNS)--Believe it or not, I was planning this comparative review of \n>Mein Kampf and Limbaugh\'s transcribed rant, The Way Things Ought to \n>Be before Sahl issued his comparative review. As usual, Sahl\'s was \n>independent and sharp as a scalpel.\n> My effort can only dream of comparing favorably to Mort\'s. At \n>least it has a fairly popular orginating premise; everyone I\'d mention the \n>idea to thought it was either divinely inspired or at least past due for \n>delivery.\n> Those reactions are based on parallels that should be obvious to the \n>most peripheral observer of the Acts of those False Prophets. Both are \n>noted for their galvanizing oratorical skills, which they both used with \n>passion to generate a political cult of massive numerical proportions (in \n>fact, Limbaugh claims to have an audience of just over 12 million, almost \n>identical to the number of votes cast for Hitler in the April 1932 German \n>election). Both used a myopic social perspective to build the cult, and \n>enthusiastically amputated facts from the record to fabricate their \n>ideological quilt.\n\nActually, I find Limbaugh\'s oratory less than sizzling and his debating\nskills sometimes lacking, even though his conclusions are often correct.\n\nI would suggest that a bankrupt leftist ideology that hopes to use concentrated \npolitical power and a loaded gun to force everyone to do the "right" things\n(where "right" is defined by the elitist academics who lead the movement)\nis showing an acute case of "myopic social perspective", not to mention\narrogance and utter stupidity.\n\nLimbaugh is certainly far from perfect, but his opponents in the established\nbody politic and the media are the ones arguing for Federal control of\nvirtually all aspects of the lives of the Citizenry, and for the elimination\nof local control over Affairs Public. \n\nPerhaps Limbaugh has a following because The People are tired of being treated \nlike errant children by a self-important group of arrogant controlling myopic \npeople who have no understanding of how life operates outside of the "oughta-be\'s"\ninside their own hopelessly closed minds.\n\n\n\n> The last point is glaringly documented by passages in the opening \n>pages of both books. Hitler\'s example is when, on page 5, he claims the \n>German nationalist terrorist Leo Schlageter (he bombed part of a railway \n>line between Dusseldorf and Duisburg, being caught in the act, in 1923) \n>was "betrayed to France by a representative of his government" when \n>there has never been any factual foundation for such a statement.\n> In fact, the governments of both the Reich and Prussia, as well as \n>the Vatican, actively intervened to save him from execution, and almost \n>succeeded. \n\nOK, let us take your word for that and work with it. A nice specific\nincident.\n\n\n\n>Limbaugh follows suit by making the hysterically sarcastic \n>claim in his introduction that "in a school or during a commencement \n>ceremony or many other public places... God is unconstitutional." Of \n>course, it\'s not God but the official imposition of particular concepts of \n>God against an individual\'s will that\'s unconstitutional. But Limbaugh is \n>too gleeful in his talent for distortion to want you to know that.\n\nHmmm, "Congress shall pass no law regarding an establishment of religion,\nnor prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Liberal translation: "the\nfederal government (as long as it is run by Liberals) may force local\nschool districts to include certain iconic content in Christmas displays,\nwhile prohibiting others."\n\nI think Limbaugh has you on this one. It seems to me that he is arguing\nfor LESS imposition of the federal government into religion.\n\nNice job on the specificity of that one, too.\n\n\n\n[Analysis of historical/modern communication media deleted] \n\n> But, as Mort Sahl also observed on the radio the other night, some \n>cloutmeister of the radical right wants Limbaugh to be a focal point of \n>their propoganda. (And remember, Sahl is an Al Haig conservative these \n>days.)\n> Mort might not know exactly who Rush\'s equivalent of Rodolf \n>Hess is (the book itself suggests Ed McLaughlin, the former president of \n>ABC radio and now Limbaugh\'s partner in EFM Media, the radio \n>program\'s production company). But Mort himself is a veteran of the talk \n>show, having hosted them in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. He \n>knows what evil lurks in the hearts of major market media men. He knows \n>that Limbaugh could not have collected his audience had not the \n>opportunity been placed on a silver platter and handed to him. Limbaugh \n>earns his money just as honestly as Al Capone did; it\'s almost worthy of a \n>RICO indictment.\n\nAh yes, it is a conspiracy of profound proportions. Methinks that you\nmay be a bit resentful of Mr. Limbaugh\'s success because you attribute it\nprimarily to luck (how, after all, could anyone with profound differences\nof opinion from yourself have become successful without the operation of\nconspiracy or blind luck!) Do you feel this same level of knee-jerk\nresentment against lottery winners, or do you congratulate them on their\ngood fortune?\n\n\n\n> On questions of social issues, there is an overabundance of \n>material in the Limbaugh book that seems to echo Hitler\'s venom. For \n>example:\n\nThis should be great fun, since it is the Liberal movement in America\nthat is pushing the hardest for centralized fascist control of The People\nand business (government/business \'partnership\' indeed), and Mr. Limbaugh \nis the populist nemesis of that movement.\n\nI have read Mr. Limbaugh\'s book, and although it was not the most literary\npiece I have read in recent memory it certainly did not contain "venom"\nat all, let alone "venom" comparable to an individual who callously murdered\nmillions out of racism.\n\n\n\n>On Their Own Qualifications to Control Society\n> Hitler: "Out of the host of sometimes millions of people, who \n>individually more or less clearly and distinctly guess the truth, partly \n>perhaps understand it, one man [author\'s emphasis] must step forward in \n>order to form, with apodeictic force, out of the wavering world of \n>imagination of the great masses, granite principles, and to take up the fight \n>for their sole correctness, until out of the playing waves of a free world of \n>thought a brazen rock of uniform combination of form and will arises" \n>(page 577).\n\nA very serious tone in that oratory.\n\n\n\n> Limbaugh: "Who needs the media when they\'ve got me? ... The \n>show is devoted exclusively to what I think ... [the phrase "with half my \n>brain tied behind my back to make it even"] denotes the egress of mental \n>aptitude I require to engage and demolish liberals and others who disagree \n>with me ... It might take four or five years, but I\'m convinced The Media \n>will slowly and reluctantly come around to my way of thinking, kicking \n>and screaming all the way." (pages 266, 21, 299 and 273, respectively.)\n\nYou neglect to mention that Mr. Limbaugh (have you ever listened to his show, \nBTW?) continuously encourages his audience to think for themselves rather\nthan blindly following any media icon, himself included. You yourself mention \nthat he makes no bones about his show being strictly about his own opinions.\nHe also adopts a rather satirical approach, and presumes his audience to be\nintelligent enough to distinguish satire from seriousness (and he says as much).\nThis is in contrast to the average mass-media show, in which the audience is\ntreated as society\'s intellectual lowest common denominator.\n\nI am sure that Adolf Hitler was a master of satire; I am sure he was just\nkidding when he said that the Jews were the cause of Germany\'s problems and\nneeded to be exterminated.\n\n\n\n>On Religion as the Basis of a Nation\n> Hitler: "In this world human culture and civilization are \n>inseperably bound up with the existence of the Aryan. His dying-off or his \n>decline would again lower upon this earth the dark veils of a time without \n>culture ... He who dares to lay hand upon the highest image of the Lord \n>sins against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and helps in the \n>expulsion from Paradise." (Page 581.)\n\nThis is not religion, it is clearly a perverse worship of race. Since\nChrist was a Jew, it seems quite unlikely that Hitler\'s characterization of\nthe Aryan as "the highest image of the Lord" fits with Christian doctrine.\n\n\n\n> Limbaugh: "America was founded as a Judeo-Christian country ... \n>But our intellectual and political elites are often either hostile or \n>ambivalent toward religion ... People for whom belief in God is at best a \n>charming superstition have managed to ban prayer from the public schools \n>for the last thirty years. Is it only a coincidence that the quality of \n>American education has declined ever since?" (pages 274-5.)\n\nPrivate religious schools have a vastly better record of success than\npublicly funded schools. American history is indeed primarily Judeo-\nChristian. I suppose that Mr. Limbaugh pointing out facts is equivalent\nto Adolf Hitler worshiping the Aryan race. I think you might be reaching\njust a wee bit here.\n\n\n\n>On Popular Culture as a Reason for Social Collapse\n> Hitler: "The fight against the poisoning of the soul has to set in ... \n>One has only to look at the menus of our movie houses, vaudevilles and \n>theatres; and one can hardly deny that this is not the right kind of food ... \n>Theatre, art, literature, movies, the press, billposters and window displays \n>must be cleaned of the symptoms of a rotting world and put into the \n>service of a moral idea of State and culture." (pages 346 and 348.)\n\nDefinite suggestion that the government should control the entertainment\nindustry here.\n\n\n> Limbaugh: "Today, Hollywood is in trouble. The reason [is] that \n>Hollywood has forgotten who its audience is ... They make fun of people \n>who believe in God. They ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality \n>and monagamy. They disparage American heroes." (page 254.)\n\nJust a guess here, but I don\'t think that Mr. Limbaugh would advocate\ngovernment control of Hollywood. You should perhaps call his radio show\nto confirm this. I believe this is more a criticism of Hollywood and the\ndepraved moral values it espouses, not an advocation of government control \nof Hollywood.\n\n90\'s Liberals, on the other hand, want to have complete government control \nof our school systems, so that the government can teach The People at an\nearly age the "right" way to view religion and morality. I believe Mr. \nLimbaugh is against this, as his satirical use of the "young heads full\nof mush" hyperbole indicates.\n\n\n\n>On the News Meida\n> Hitler: "The activity of the so-called liberal press was the work of \n>gravediggers for the German people and the German Reich. One can pass \n>by in silence the Marxist papers of lies ... it\'s task is only to break the \n>people\'s folkish and national spine, in order to make it ripe for the yoke of \n>slavery of international capital and its masters, the Jews." (Page 331.)\n\nPretty strong conspiracy theory insinuated here, with an implicit plea for\ngovernment power to be used to break up the conspiracy.\n\n\n\n> Limbaugh: "Elements of The Media have jumped on the \n>bandwagon of leftist causes. The cynical journalist of the past has been \n>replaced in many cases by an enthusiastic cheerleader for causes ... During \n>the Gulf war, CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw [said] CNN is a global \n>network. We can\'t take sides. Cant take sides? --- --- ---! ... If they don\'t \n>realize that their freedom lies in the United States of America and that \n>therefore they should defend this nation, they are hopelessly misguided \n>and, may I suggest, flirting with megalomania." (pages 270 and 268.)\n\nIndication here that "Elements of the Media" (since career is a self-selected\ncategorization, perhaps an inferred \'larger percentage than represented in\nthe populace at large\') has a leftist bias. Doesn\'t sound too unreasonable.\nNo insinuation that CNN should not report in an objective fashion, only\nthat for reporters to say that they do not have any personal bias in the\nsituation is disingenuous to megalomaniacal.\n\nYou may disagree, and it may well be exagerrated, but it is not an unreasonable \nopinion; and Mr. Limbaugh goes well out of his way to make sure that his \naudience knows that these are his opinions, unlike most other reporting that \npurports to achieve perfect objectivity but in actuality will in some degree \nor other, in a statistical sense, reflect the biases of the reporters. Who \nis being disingenuous here, Mr. Shaw or Mr. Limbaugh?\n\nAgain, you should ask Mr. Limbaugh himself, but I expect that he would\noppose government control of the media.\n\n\n\n>* * *\n \n>To continue these comparative excerpts is certainly possible, but \n>ultimately too depressing to take in one reading.\n\nIt is indeed depressing to see such myopia and tiresome Liberal arrogance.\nLiberals love to play games with paradigms as a way of discrediting people\nwho disagree with them. Why don\'t you challenge conservative ideology\non an intellectual level rather than engaging in ludicrous comparisons?\nPerhaps the underpinnings of your ideology are intellectual only in that\nthey exist in your mind, not the real world.\n\n\n\n> After putting these books down, there is one undeniable fact that \n>haunts me. In the 1920s, Adolf Hitler fed depressed and frightened \n>Germans the opiate of hatred of those around them; in turn, it allowed \n>Germans to hand their collective national power to the Nazis. In the 1990s, \n>Rush Limbaugh is doing the very same thing: distributing hatred to \n>depressed and frightened Americans; in turn, it is helping the American \n>radical right to maintain its power base as the 12-year nightmare of the \n>Reagan-Bush era comes to an end, hoping to rebuild it into their hopes for \n>The Fascist States of America.\n\nPerhaps there are a few among the intellectually challenged who percieve\nRush Limbaugh as a hate-monger, but in my experience he has been spreading\nlaughter at the ludicrous self-importance of the Left, not hatred.\n\nAs to Mr. Bush, you may be correct about his fascist economic leanings.\nMr. Reagan, on the other hand, did his best to reverse the fascist trend\nof government involvement in business. Mr. Clinton is increasing fascism\nin America through "business/government partnership" and increased levels\nof taxation. Perhaps you should not have skipped your vocabulary classes\nin grade school.\n\n\n\n> And if Limbaugh is not as repellant a Hitler, it is only because the \n>radical right utilizes Limbaugh as its own gateway opiate. One can only \n>wonder what the ultimate drug is they plan to hook America on.\n\nHmmm. Seems to me that Limbaugh is not in any way comparable to Hitler\nbecause he has not murdered six million Jews and many, many others out of\nracism. I come from a mixed-race family, so I am quite well attuned to\nracism; I don\'t hear any coming from Rush Limbaugh. The only place I hear \nracism coming from these days and being taken seriously is from the Liberal \nLeft.\n\nThe Liberal Left is the movement I see trying to get America hooked\non the opiates of Socialized Medicine, Socialized Transportation, Socialized\nEducation, etc. The Left already has America hopelessly addicted to \nthat Liberal drug, the Social Security Chain Letter. It is quite clear\nto me that while the Hitler analogy does not really apply to either Rush \nLimbaugh or William Jefferson Clinton, if one of the two is closer than \nthe other it is clearly the Fascist Clinton.\n\n\n>The Madison Edge can be reached at PO Box 845, Madison, WI 53701-\n>0845; (608) 255-4460.\n>\n>--- 30 ---\n\nThis is the same address as "Idiots Anonymous", isn\'t it?\n\n\nMatt Freivald\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nLiBORGalism:\n THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT.\n FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT.\n PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS IRRELEVANT.\n CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE.\n YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTHESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
'Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST\nFrom: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Muppet Labs\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.213815.12288@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n>In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes:\n>\n>> ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!!\n>\n>If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I\'d swear that\n>McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the\n>choice of newsgroups \'interesting\'. Perhaps someone should tell this\n>guy that \'sci.astro\' doesn\'t stand for \'astrology\'?\n>\n>It\'s truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what\n>are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small\n>wonder that the rest of the world thinks we\'re all nuts and that we\n>have the problems that we do.\n>\n>[In case you haven\'t gotten it yet, David, I don\'t think this was\n>quite appropriate for a posting to \'sci\' groups.]\n\nWas that post for real? I thought it was a late April Fool joke. Some of it\nseemed a bit over the top even by McElwaine/Abian/etc standards :-)\n\n--\n... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ............ alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ...\n "And crawling on the planet\'s face\n Some insects called the human race\n Lost in time and lost in space" (RHPS)\n\n',
'From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)\nSubject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem\nIn-Reply-To: starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu\'s message of 13 Apr 93 15:34:41 CST\nOrganization: Organized?? Surely you jest!\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.153441.49118@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n\n\n > I need help with my \'85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on\'s on it and\n > had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced\n > the stock airbox. Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at\n > about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear. This is especially frustrating\n > on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens\n > to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear. I\'ve had it "tuned" and this doesn\'t\n > seem to help. I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system\n > from a GPz 1100. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides\n > restoring it to stock?\n > Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu\t the brain dead." -Ted Nugent\n\nIt sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly.\nIf you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right.\nIf a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop.\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n|Bennett Leve 84 V-65 Sabre | I\'m drowning, throw |\n|Orlando, FL 73 XL 250 | me a bagel. |\n|hoggle!hoggle2!bleve@peora.sdc.ccur.com | |\n',
'From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)\nSubject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 39\n\nsrihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) writes:\n\n>In <Ifn=sPO00iV18_A8NZ@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:\n\n>>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex,\n>>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the\n>>>list except for braking.\n\n>>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate;\n>>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki\n>>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the\n>>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly\n>>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated\n>>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at\n>>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda\n>>play, but not the best Saturn. Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k\n\n>I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest\n>assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even\n>the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you\'re talking about.\n>All price comparisons I\'ve seen are based on MSRP and of course the\n>saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others\n>will do it way below sticker.\n\n>Srihari\n\t\n\tI\'d hate to rehash an old thread, but... Would someone kindly quote\na prices that a dealer quotes for a Civic EX, and Escort GT. Also, I\'m a\nassuming that the MX-3 was the V-6, so go ahead and look that up, too. If \nsomeone has one of those yearly buyers\' guides that give a low quote price,\nplease quote them, too. Then find the the SC1 base price.\n\nThanks.\n\n-- \nChintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************\n*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*\n*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*\n',
'From: teckjoo@iti.gov.sg (Chua Teck Joo)\nSubject: Visuallib (3D graphics for Windows)\nOrganization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.\nLines: 17\n\n\nI am currently looking for a 3D graphics library that runs on MS\nWindows 3.1. Are there any such libraries out there other than\nVisuallib? (It must run on VGA and should not require any other\nadd-on graphics cards).\n\nFor Visuallib, will it run with Metaware High C compiler v3.0? Any\nemail contact for the author of Visuallib?\n\nAny help would be much appreciated. Thanks.\n\n\n-- \n* Chua, Teck Joo\t | Information Technology Institute *\n* Email: teckjoo@iti.gov.sg | 71 Science Park Drive\t *\n* Phone: (65) 772-0237 \t | Singapore (0511)\t\t *\n* Fax: (65) 779-1827 |\t\t\t \t *\n',
"Subject: Books For Sale [Ann Arbor, MI]\nFrom: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang)\nReply-To: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: D.J. Services\nLines: 68\n\n\n\n BOOKS FOR SALE\n ================\n\nTally up any and all of the books you want and send me a message. \nShipping will be by US Mail Parcel Post/Book Rate. Payment in advance\nor COD accepted. \n\nAll books are in good to excellent condition. Paperbacks, unless noted. \nQuantity Discounts. \n\nThis list is updated continually. The latest list can be requested by\ne-mail. This list supercedes all previous lists. Not responsible for typos.\n !!!! = New To Listing **** = Claimed, but not paid for yet\n===============================================================================\nDavid Hwang, Ann Arbor, Michigan david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n List of: February 27, 1993\n===============================================================================\nComputers\n---------\nUsing Wordperfect 5 (QUE, Stewart)............................... $10.00\nUsing Clipper (QUE, Tiley)....................................... $10.00\nTRS-80 Assembly Language Programming [Barden].................... $ 1.00\n57 Practical Programs & Games in Basic [Tracton]................. $ 1.00\nFirst Book of Wordperfect 5.1 [Barnes]........................... $ 8.00\n\nCorvettes\n---------\n1984-1986 Y Car Parts and Illustration Catalog [GM Manual]....... $ 7.50\nSecrets of Corvette Detailing [Antonick]......................... $ 7.50\nEckler's Complete Guide to Corvette Fiberglass Repair............ $ 7.50\nCorvette Owners' Workshop Manual [Haynes] [84-87]................ $ 7.50\nChevrolet Power Catalog [GM Manual] 6th. Edition................. $ 3.50\nCorvette Driver/Owner Guide For 1953-1988 Models [Antonick]...... $ 7.50\nChevrolet Small Block V8 Speed Equipment Buyers Guide [Lamm]..... $10.00\nChilton's Easy Car Care, 2nd. Edition............................ $10.00\n\nMedicine\n--------\nOphthalmology Study Guide For Medical Students................... $ 4.00\nWashington Manual or Medical Therapeutics, 26th. Ed.............. $10.00\nRespiratory Physiology-The Essentials [West], 3rd. Ed............ $ 9.00\nLangman's Medical Embryology, 5th. Ed. [Sadler] -hardcover-...... $18.00 SOLD\nEssentials of Human Anatomy, 7th. Ed. [Woodburne] -hardcover-.... $18.00 SOLD\nCardiology Reference Book, 3rd Ed. [Kloner]...................... $ 4.00\nHandbook of Antimicrobial Therapy 1992 [Mandell]................. $ 4.00\nGuide to Antimicrobial Therapy 1991 [Sanford] ................... $ 1.00 \n --> or free with $10.00 of Med Books\nComprehensive Review of the Basic Sciences....................... $10.00 SOLD\nHow to Get Into Medical & Dental School, 3rd. Ed................. $ 2.00\nSexual Interactions [Allgeier], 2nd Ed. -hardcover-.............. $25.00\nOn Call: Principles and Protocols [Ruedy]........................ $ 9.00\nPhysicans' Desk Reference [PDR], 46th Ed., 1992 -hardcover-...... $10.00\nIntroduction to General Pathology [Spector], 2nd Ed. ............ $ 8.00\nMedical School Admissions: Strategy For Success [Weschler] 1982.. $ 4.00\nGetting Into Medical School [Brown] 1981 ........................ $ 1.00\nTen Point Plan For College Acceptance [Graham] 1981 ............. $ 2.00\n\nOther\n-----\nCollege Accounting, 9th Ed., 1972 [Carson] -hardcover-........... $ 2.00\n\n-- \nDavid W. Hwang, M.D. // University of Michigan Medical School\n1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C // Telephone: 313/663-5557\nAnn Arbor, Michigan 48105 // Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us\n",
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Symbiotics: Idiots-Antisemitism\nOrganization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University\nLines: 27\n\n\nIn article <1483500355@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n\n>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n>\n>Zionism and the Holocaust\n>-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth\n>\n>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history\n>of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without\n>anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet\n>of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews.\n\n\tWrong. Zionism *acknowledges* the fact that anti-Semites\nexist, and prevent Jews from living in peace. That does not mean we\nagree that Jews are all greedy, that Jews kill Christian Children,\ncommited deicide, or anything else. We acknowledge that there are\nmorons out there who do believe these things.\n\nAdam\n\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
'From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt)\nSubject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ\nLines: 78\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.162313.154828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes\n>:\n>>I\'ve recently been working on project to determine the greatest\n>>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball,\n>>James\' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of\n>>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions...\n>>\n>>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried\n>>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded\n>>for time/convience\'s sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average,\n>>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases\n>>(for curiosity\'s sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP.\n>>\n>>3B\n>> 1) Mike Schmidt\n>> 2) Ed Matthews\nOne "t" in "Eddie Mathews"!\n>> 3) George Brett\n>> 4) Wade Boggs\n>> 5) Ron Santo\n>> 6) Brooks Robinson\n>> 7) Frank Baker\n>> 8) Darrell Evans\n>> 9) Pie Traynor\n>>10) Ray Dandridge\n>>\n>How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.\n>\nBecause a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near\nmaking up for the large difference in hitting. Their average\nseasons, using their combined average 656 (AB + BB) per 162 games:\n\n Years AB H R 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB AVG OBP SLG OPS\nSanto 14.10 577 160 81 26 5 24 94 268 79 .277 .366 .464 .830\nRobinson 17.55 607 162 70 27 4 15 77 243 49 .267 .325 .401 .726\n\nFielding, we have, per 162 games at third,\n\n Years P A DP E PCT\nSanto 13.15 149 348 30 24 .954\nRobinson 17.72 152 350 35 15 .971\n\nEven if Robinson\'s extra 3 putouts, 2 assists, and 5 DPs are taken to mean\nhe was responsible for 10 more outs in the field, that doesn\'t make up\nfor the extra 28 outs he made at the plate, not to mention the fewer\ntotal bases. The difference of .104 in OPS should be decreased by about\n.025 to account for Wrigley, but a .079 difference is still considerable.\nThe Thorn & Palmer ratings are\n\n Adjusted Adjusted Stolen Fielding Total\n Production Batting Runs Base Runs Runs Rating\nSanto 123 284 -14 137 41.7\nRobinson 105 52 -5 151 19.8 (26.3)\nUsual disclaimers about T&P\'s FR apply, but they really shouldn\'t be\nway off the mark in this comparison. At least it\'s better than fielding\npercentage: Carney Lansford has a .966 , 10th best all-time, but -225 FR,\ndead last of all time. Also, since this total rating compares players\nto league average instead of replacement level, Robinson should be\nawarded an extra 6.5 or so for playing 653 more games. He had a great\ncareer, but I would prefer Santo\'s plus 4 years of a replacement level 3Bman.\n\nBut I would knock Traynor off the list and replace him by Stan Hack.\nThat\'s a similar story, Hack\'s far better hitting outweighs Traynor\'s\nsuperior fielding. Graig Nettles and Buddy Bell would also be better\nchoices (IMHO of course, though some recent net discussion supports\nthis point of view.)\n>\n>>CF\n>> 7) Andre Dawson\n\nShouldn\'t that be right field?\n\n-- \n+-----------------------+\n| Bob Holt |\n| rjh@allegra.att.com |\n+-----------------------+\n',
'From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson)\nSubject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada\nLines: 38\n\n{Dan Johnson asked for evidence that the most effective abuse \nrecovery programs involve meeting people\'s spiritual needs.\n\nI responded:\n In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps\n involves acknowleding a "higher power". AA and other 12-step abuse-\n recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.}\n\nDan Johnson clarified:\n>What I was asking is this:\n>\n>Please show me that the most effective substance-absure recovery\n>programs involve meetinsg peoples\' spiritual needs, rather than\n>merely attempting to fill peoples\' spiritual needs as percieved\n>by the people, A.A, S.R.C. regulars, or snoopy. \n\nYou are asking me to provide objective proof for the existence of\nGod. I never claimed to be able to do this; in fact I do not believe\nthat it is possible to do so. I consider the existence of God to\nbe a premise or assumption that underlies my philosophy of life.\nIt comes down to a matter of faith. If I weren\'t a Christian, I\nwould be an agnostic, but I have sufficient subjective evidence to\njustify and sustain my relationship with God. Again this is a matter\nof premises and assumptions. I assume that there is more to "life, the\nuniverse and everything" than materialism; ie that spirituality exists.\nThis assumption answers the question about why I have apparent spiritual\nneeds. I find this assumption consistent with my subsequent observat-\nions. I then find that God fills these spiritual needs. But I cannot \nobjectively prove the difference between apparent filling of imagined \nspiritual needs and real filling of real spiritual needs. Nor can I\nprove to another person that _they_ have spiritual needs.\n==\nSeanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living,\n(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds,\n | God will find his people busy\nOpinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds.\nNo, they\'re not BNR\'s, they\'re mine. |\nI knew I\'d left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan\n',
'From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Prayer in Jesus\' Name\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <Apr.9.01.09.22.1993.16580@athos.rutgers.edu> munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes:\n>I am doing a dormitory bible "discussion" with my Christian roommate and\n>in Jesus\' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God\n>and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can\'t it be the same\n>way now?"\n>\n\n[insert huge deletion of all following material since it had little\nrelevance to what I\'ve found]\n\nOK. The people before Jesus didn\'t have Jesus, right (so far, I\'ve\nannounced that space is a vacuum)? The people who lived during the time\nJesus lived (especially disciples) were taught this: "I tell you the\ntruth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He\nwill do even greater things than these, because I am going to the\nFather. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may\nbring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and\nI will do it." (John 14:12-14)\nSo, Jesus asked them to pray for things in his name. Since that time,\nthe request has been the same, not to ask for intercession from other\nbeings, but from Jesus. Remember that "there is one God and one\nmediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as\na ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time." (1\nTimothy 2:5-6. Also, "there have been many of those priests [talking\nabout priests among the Hebrews], since death prevented them from\ncontinuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a\npermanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who\ncome to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."\n(Hebrews 7:23-25). Hebrews is also full of areas talking about Jesus\nbeing our mediator rather than any other man.\n\nJoe Fisher\n\n["The people before Jesus didn\'t have Jesus, right" may not be as\nobvious as you think. In what sense to you mean didn\'t have?\nChristian thought has generally said that they had Jesus in the sense\nthat they were saved by his death. God is not bound by our\nchronology. So in some real spiritual sense they did "have Jesus".\nEven in terms of knowledge, while they surely didn\'t have the explicit\nknowledge that we have, Christians have normally seen messianic\nprophecy as knowledge of Jesus, even if knowledge from afar.\n--clh]\n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: ? (was Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?))\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world,public\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\nKeywords: Time for a consistency check, bub.\n\nsdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:\n\n>>Of course, if at some later time we think that the death penalty\n>>*is* cruel or unusual, it will be outlawed. But at the present,\n>>most people don\'t seem to think this way.\n>*This* from the same fellow who speaks of an "objective" or "natural"\n>morality. I suppose that if the majority decides slavery is OK, then\n>it is no longer immoral?\n\nI did not claim that our system was objective.\n\n\nkeith\n',
"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Space Clippers launched\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 14\n\n\n\n> SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY\n\nWhen I first saw this, I thought for a second that it was a headline from\nThe Star about the pliers found in the SRB recently.\n\nY'know, sometimes they have wire-cutters built in :-)\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com>\nSubject: vw passat? (again)\nReply-To: "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com>\nOrganization: Canada Remote Systems\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 25\n\n\nkojo@valet.phx.mcd.mot.com (Kojo Yeboah) writes:\n\nKY>To all those who have PASSATs, do you recommend using Super Unleaded or just\nKY>regular Unleaded Gasoline. I have been using Regular Unleaded. A friend of mine has\nKY>a Jetta and has always used Super Unleaded and thinks I should be using the same;\nKY>however, I believe the advantages of Super Unleaded for CARs $30000 and under\nKY>has been overplayed by guess who: the companies who sell them, because that is\nKY>where they make the most PROFIT. A Ralph Nader report and other consumer advocates\nKY>have in the past spoken against those oil companies.\n\nYour Passat VR6 is designed to run on premium gasoline, however the\nengine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done\nto the engine with lower octane fuel.\n\nYou will likely, however, get somewhat more power and fuel mileage\n(especially in hot weather) out of this particular engine if you do\nrun it on premium. \n\nTom Neumann\n---\n þ DeLuxeý 1.25 #350 þ I sell Volkswagens.\n--\nCanada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario\n416-629-7000/629-7044\n',
'From: yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Maw Ying Yuan)\nSubject: Win3.1 Config.Sys query\nOrganization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering\nLines: 11\n\nHi there,\n\nWith a 16Megs of RAM, is there a need to run/load Smartdrv for\nWindows 3.1? If yes, can I run/load Ramdrive without Smartdrv?\nIf I need both Ramdrive & Smartdrv, is the following Config.Sys\nsettings OK: ...SMARTDRV.SYS 2048 2048\n ...RAMDRIVE.SYS 2048 /E\n\nThanks in advance for e-mail reply.\n\nyuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu\n',
'From: dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner)\nSubject: need a viewer for gl files\nOrganization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nHi, \n\nthe subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)?\n\nThanks\n\n\nDominik\n\n\n',
"From: erikb@idt.unit.no (Erik Brenn)\nSubject: graphics formats\nReply-To: erikb@idt.unit.no (Erik Brenn)\nOrganization: Norwegian Institue of Technology\nLines: 14\n\nI'm currently looking for information about different graphics\nformats, especially PPM, PCX BMP and perhaps GIF.\nDoes anyone know if there exist any files at some site\nthat describes these formats ???\n\nThanks !\n\n\n-- \n ~~~ \n (o o) | Erik Brenn ,email: erikb@idt.unit.no\n ( O ) oOOO | Faculty of Computer Science & Telematics\n \\\\_// / / | The Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim\n-oOOO--------------------| Not to make sense, just cents ! \n",
'From: Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein)\nSubject: Jewish Broadcasters (was Jewish Baseball Players?)\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 8\n\nFor that matter, how many Gentleman of The Press Box have been Jewish? The\nonly Jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is Steve Williams (?), who had\na Phillies show on KYW in Philadelphia in the 80s.\n-- \nMark Bernstein\nEastgate Systems, Inc. 134 Main Street Watertown MA 02172 USA\nvoice: (800) 562-1638 in USA +1(617) 924-9044\nEastgate@world.std.com Compuserve: 76146,262 AppleLink:Eastgate \n',
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'From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: Selective Placebo\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 30\n\nT(> Russell Turpin responds to article by Ron Roth:\nT(>\nT(> R> ... I don\'t doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with\nT(> R> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%,\nT(> R> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional \nT(> R> medicine?"\nT(> \nT(> How do you know that it is? If you could show this by careful \nT(> measurement, I suspect you would have a paper worthy of publication\nT(> in a variety of medical journals. \nT(> \nT(> Russell \n\n If you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence, I was\n addressing that very question to that person (who has a dog named\n sugar) and a few other people who seem to be of the same opinion.\n\n I would love to have anyone come up with a study to support their\n claims that the placebo effect is more prevalent with alternative\n compared to conventional medicine.\n Perhaps the study could also include how patients respond if they\n are dissatisfied with a conventional versus an alternative doctor,\n i.e. which practitioner is more likely to get punched in the face\n when the success of the treatment doesn\'t meet the expectations of \n the patient!\n\n --Ron-- \n---\n RoseReader 2.00 P003228: When in doubt, make it sound convincing!\n RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n',
'From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)\nSubject: NHL Swedes: Stats, April 5\nOrganization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 141\nNntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se\n\n\n Scoring stats for the Swedish NHL players, April 5:\n ===================================================\n\n Mats Sundin watch:\n\n Most points during a season:\n \n 131 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 (49+82)\n 110 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 (43+67)\n * 109 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 (43+66)\n 106 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 (50+56)\n 104 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 (46+58)\n 99 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 (37+62)\n\n Most goals during a season:\n\n 50 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88\n 49 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81\n 46 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83\n 45 Tomas Sandstrom, LA Kings 1990-91\n 43 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86\n * 43 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93\n\n Most assists during a season:\n\n 82 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81\n 67 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86\n 66 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1976-77\n * 66 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93\n 62 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85\n 61 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1977-78\n 61 Thomas Steen, Winnipeg Jets 1988-89\n\n Ulf Samuelsson watch:\n\n Most penalty minutes during a season:\n\n * 243 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 (through 3/25)\n 211 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1990-91\n 206 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92\n 184 Kjell Samuelsson, Philadelphia Flyers 1988-89\n 181 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1988-89\n 174 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1985-86\n 170 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1980-81\n \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nRL Rk Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born G A Pts PL Comment\n-- -- ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- -- -- --- -- -------\n 1 Mats Sundin QUE 13 C 6-2 189 2/13/71 43 66 109 7 \n 2 Ulf Dahlen MIN 22 RW 6-2 195 1/12/67 33 38 71 5 \n 3 Thomas Steen WIN 25 C 5-10 195 6/ 8/60 21 43 64 5\n 4 Johan Garpenlov SJS 10 LW 5-11 185 3/21/68 21 40 61 5 \n 5 Fredrik Olausson WIN 4 D 6-2 200 10/ 5/66 13 38 51 4\n 6 Tomas Sandstrom LAK 7 LW 6-2 207 9/ 4/64 22 24 46 2\n 7 Per-Erik Eklund PHI 9 LW 5-10 175 3/22/63 8 34 42 Injured\n 8 Calle Johansson WAS 6 D 5-11 205 2/14/67 6 35 41 1\n 9 Nicklas Lidstrom DET 5 D 6-2 180 4/28/70 7 33 40 2 \n 10 Tommy Sjodin MIN 33 D 5-11 190 8/13/65 7 29 36 \n 11 Ulf Samuelsson PIT 5 D 6-1 195 3/26/64 2 24 26 1 \n 12 Mikael Andersson TBL 34 LW 5-11 185 5/10/66 13 11 24 1 \n 13 Michael Nylander HFD 36 LW 5-11 176 10/ 3/72 5 16 21 2 \n 14 Roger Johansson CGY 34 D 6-1 185 4/ 7/67 4 15 19 1\n 15 Jan Erixon NYR 20 LW 6-0 196 7/ 8/62 5 10 15 \n 16 Peter Andersson NYR 25 D 6-0 187 8/29/65 4 7 11 1 \n 17 Kjell Samuelsson PIT 28 D 6-6 235 10/18/58 3 6 9 2 \n 18 Tommy Albelin NJD 6 D 6-1 190 5/21/64 1 5 6 \n 19 Per Djoos NYR 44 D 5-11 176 5/11/68 1 1 2 Binghampton?\n 20 Niclas Andersson QUE 46 LW 5-8 169 5/20/71 0 1 1 Halifax\n 21 Thomas Forslund CGY 27 LW 6-0 185 11/24/68 0 1 1 Salt Lake\n 22 Patrik Carnback MON 20 LW 6-0 189 2/ 1/68 0 0 0 Injured\n 23 Patrik Kjellberg MON 27 LW 6-2 196 6/17/69 0 0 0 Fredericton\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nRL=Rank Last week, Rk=Rank, J#=Jersey Number, Ps=Position, Born (mm/dd/yy)\nG=Goals, A=Assists, Pts=Points, PL=Points scored since Last posted list\n===============================================================================\n\n Goalie stats:\n\n Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born \n ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- --------\n Tommy Soderstrom PHI 30 G 5-9 163 7/17/69\n\n / - - - - - T O T A L - - - - - \\\n\n mm/dd vs res r w/l/t sh - sv GP MP GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO A\n ----- ---- ---- - ----- -- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- --- -- --\n 12/17 PIT 4-5 L 0-1-0 27 - 22 1 62 5 4.84 27 22 0.815\n 12/19 CHI 3-1 W 1-1-0 28 - 27 2 122 6 2.95 55 49 0.891\n 12/20 @TBL 1-4 L 1-2-0 31 - 27 3 182 10 3.30 86 76 0.884\n 12/23 PIT 0-4 L 1-3-0 26 - 22 4 242 14 3.47 112 98 0.875\n 12/26 @WAS 5-5 T 1-3-1 41 - 36 5 307 19 3.71 153 134 0.876\n 12/29 @LAK 10-2 W 2-3-1 43 - 41 6 367 21 3.43 196 175 0.893\n 12/30 @SJS 6-2 W 3-3-1 35 - 33 7 427 23 3.23 231 208 0.900\n 1/ 2 @CGY 3-7 L 3-4-1 32 - 26 8 486 29 3.58 263 234 0.890\n 1/ 3 @EDM 2-2 T 3-4-2 33 - 31 9 551 31 3.38 296 265 0.895\n 1/ 7 WAS 8-2 W 4-4-2 33 - 31 10 611 33 3.24 329 296 0.900\n 1/ 9 NYR 4-3 W 5-4-2 26 - 23 11 671 36 3.22 355 319 0.899\n 1/10 EDM 4-0 W 6-4-2 29 - 29 12 731 36 2.95 384 348 0.906 1\n 1/14 CGY 4-4 T 6-4-3 27 - 23 13 796 40 3.02 411 371 0.903\n 1/16 @BOS 5-4 W 7-4-3 37 - 33 14 856 44 3.08 448 404 0.902\n 1/17 DET 4-7 L 7-5-3 36 - 29 15 916 51 3.34 484 433 0.895\n 1/21 BOS 4-5 L 7-6-3 32 - 27 16 976 56 3.44 516 460 0.891\n 1/23 @NYI 4-8 L 7-7-3 31 - 23 17 1036 64 3.71 547 483 0.883 1\n 1/24 HFD 5-4 W 8-7-3 25 - 21 18 1098 68 3.72 572 504 0.881\n 1/30 @PIT 2-4 L 8-8-3 35 - 32 19 1157 71 3.68 607 536 0.883\n 2/ 3 @NYR 2-2 T 8-8-4 38 - 36 20 1222 73 3.58 645 572 0.887\n 2/ 9 OTT 8-1 W 9-8-4 28 - 27 21 1282 74 3.46 673 599 0.890\n 2/11 MTL 0-0 T 9-8-5 23 - 23 22 1347 74 3.30 696 622 0.894 2\n 2/13 @NJD 4-6 L 9-9-5 32 - 26 23 1407 80 3.41 728 648 0.890\n 2/14 NJD 2-5 L 9-10-5 26 - 21 24 1467 85 3.48 754 669 0.887\n 2/16 @CGY 4-4 T 9-10-6 29 - 29 25 1512 85 3.37 783 698 0.891\n 2/18 @VAN 3-2 W 10-10-6 30 - 28 26 1572 87 3.32 813 726 0.893\n 2/20 @MIN 2-5 L 10-11-6 33 - 28 27 1632 92 3.38 846 754 0.891\n 2/22 DET 5-5 - 10-11-6 15 - 12 28 1653 95 3.45 861 766 0.890\n 3/ 2 PIT 5-4 W 11-11-6 22 - 21 29 1689 96 3.41 883 787 0.891\n 3/ 5 @WAS 3-0 W 12-11-6 36 - 36 30 1749 96 3.29 919 823 0.896 3\n 3/ 7 @NJD 4-7 L 12-12-6 41 - 35 31 1808 102 3.38 960 858 0.894\n 3/ 9 @NYI 2-4 L 12-13-6 24 - 21 32 1867 105 3.37 984 879 0.893\n 3/11 WAS 6-4 W 13-13-6 28 - 24 33 1927 109 3.39 1012 903 0.892\n 3/16 MIN 4-3 W 14-13-6 34 - 31 34 1987 112 3.38 1046 934 0.893\n 3/20 @PIT 3-9 L 14-14-6 27 - 20 35 2027 119 3.52 1073 954 0.889\n 3/21 NJD 2-3 L 14-15-6 27 - 24 36 2086 122 3.51 1100 978 0.889\n 3/24 @NYR 5-4 W 15-15-6 45 - 41 37 2146 126 3.52 1145 1019 0.890 2\n 3/27 @QUE 3-8 L 15-16-6 25 - 19 38 2186 132 3.62 1170 1038 0.887\n 4/ 1 LAK 1-3 L 15-17-6 26 - 23 39 2246 135 3.61 1196 1061 0.887\n 4/ 4 TOR 4-0 W 16-17-6 26 - 26 40 2306 135 3.51 1222 1087 0.890 4\n \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nres=result, sh=shots, sv=saves\nGP=Games Played, MP=Minutes Played, GA=Goals Against, GAA=Goals Against Average\nSOG=Shots On Goal, SV=SaVes, SV%=SaVing Percentage, SO=ShutOuts, A=Assists\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nStaffan\n--\n ((\\\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \n \\\\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \n\\\\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey \n',
'From: khayash@hsc.usc.edu (Ken Hayashida)\nSubject: Re: Life on Mars???\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr26.184507.10511@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes:\n>I know it\'s only wishful thinking, with our current President,\n>but this is from last fall:\n>\n> "Is there life on Mars? Maybe not now. But there will be."\n> -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator, 24 August 1992\n>\n>-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office\n> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368\n\nLets hear it for Dan Goldin...now if he can only convince the rest of\nour federal government that the space program is a worth while\ninvestment!\n\nI hope that I will live to see the day we walk on Mars, but\nwe need to address the technical hurdles first! If there\'s sufficient\ninterest, maybe we should consider starting a sci.space group \ndevoted to the technical analysis of long-duration human spaceflight.\nMost of you regulars know that I\'m interested in starting this analysis\nas soon as possible.\n\nKen\nkhayash@hsc.usc.edu\nUSC School of Medicine, Class of 1994\n\n',
"From: Thomas Kephart <kephart@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>\nSubject: Mac 800 numbers\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 90\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F8C6F92D02F2E6@b62182.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 21:15:37 GMT\n\nHere's a list of 800 numbers I have compiled from other sources... \nanybody got anything to add?\n\nIt's formatted for Alpha, and looks fine for me, so don't complain if it \ndoesn't look good to you.\n\n\n\n * Adobe\t\t\t\t\t1-415-961-0911\n\tFAX info\t\t\t\t1-800-235-0078\n * Aldus\t\t\t\t\t1-206-622-5500\n * Alladin\t\t\t\t\t1-408-685-9175\n * Altsys\t\t\t\t\t1-214-680-2060\n * APDA \t\t\t\t\t1-800-282-2732\n (Apple Prog Dev Assoc)\n * Apple Computer\t\t\t1-408-996-1010\n * Apple Customer \t\t\t1-800-776-2333\n Non-Tech assistance\n * APS\t\t\t\t\t\t1-800-233-7550\n (Alliance Peripheral Sys)\n * ASD Softwae\t\t\t\t1-714-624-2594\n\tFAX\t\t\t\t\t\t1-714-624-9574\n * Berkeley Systems\t\t1-415-540-5535\n * Cayman Systems\t\t\t1-800-473-4776\n * CE Software\t\t\t\t1-515-224-1953\n * Claris\t\t\t\t\t1-408-727-8227\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t1-408-727-9054\n \tClaris Software\t\t\t1-800-3CL-ARIS\n * Compatible Systems\t\t1-800-356-0283\n * Computer Associates C.A\t1-408-648-4000\n * Connectix\t\t\t\t1-800-950-5880\n * DataViz\t\t\t\t\t1-203-268-0300\n * Dayna\t\t\t\t\t1-801-972-2000\n * DeltaPoint\t\t\t\t1-800-367-4334\n * Deneba\t\t\t\t\t1-305-594-6965\n * Dr.Mac: \t \t\t1-800-825-6227\n * Fifth Generation\t\t1-800-873-4384\n * GreatWave\t\t\t\t1-408-438-1990\n * ICOM Simulations\t\t1-708-520-4440\n * MacAvenue: \t\t\t1-800-926-6221\n * MacConnection: \t\t\t1-800-334-4444\n * MacLand: \t \t\t1-800-888-8779\n * MacroMind\t\t\t\t1-415-442-0200\n * Mac's Place: \t\t\t1-800-367-4222\n * MacWarehouse:\t \t\t1-800-255-6227\n * Microcom\t\t\t\t1-919-490-1277\n * Microsoft\t\t\t\t1-800-426-9400\n Educational:\t\t\t1-800-227-4679\n General:\t\t\t\t1-206-882-8088\n Sales and Services: \t1-800-426-9400\n\t\tThen punch:\n\t\t 1 Technical Assistance\n\t\t 2 University\n * Shiva\t\t\t\t\t1-617-864-8100\n * Silicon Beach\t\t\t1-619-695-6956\n * Symantec\t\t\t\t1-800-441-7234\n * The Mac Zone:\t \t\t1-800-248-0800\n * Chip Merchant\t\t\t1-800-426-6375\n * ClearPoint Computers\t1-800-253-2778\n * ClubMac\t\t\t\t\t1-800-CLU-BMAC\n * Delta Research Labs\t\t1-800-999-1593\n * Diamond\t\t\t\t\t1-800-541-7126\n * Dynamic Electronics\t\t1-800-845-8228\n * ETC\t\t\t\t\t\t1-800-882-2863\n * Global Village Telecom.\t1-800-736-4821\n Mac ADB modems\n * Lifetime Memory\t\t\t1-800-233-6233\n * LLB\t\t\t\t\t\t1-800-848-8967\n * Macproducts USA\t\t\t1-800 MAC DISK\n * MacProducts: \t\t\t1-800-MAC-USA1\n * Megabyte Memory\t\t\t1-800-748-5766\n Products\n * Memory International\t1-800-266-0488\n * Memory Plus\t\t\t\t1-800-388-PLUS\n * Micro Electronic Tech\t1-800-766-7466\n * Newer Technology\t\t1-800-678-3726\n * Peripheral Outlet\t\t1-800-332-6581\n * PSI\t\t\t\t\t\t1-800-622-1722\n * Quadmation\t\t\t\t1-800-733-7887\n * Shecom Computers\t\t1-800-366-4433\n * SII Micros\t\t\t\t1-800-424-1126\n * South Coast Electronics\t1-800-289-8801\n * Stratum Technologies\t1-800-533-1744\n * Technology Works\t\t1-800-688-7466\n * Texas Macstuf\t\t\t1-800-MAC-STUF\n * Third Wave Computing\t1-800-284-0486\n * Third Wave\t\t\t\t1-800-284-0846\n * Turbo Technologies\t\t1-800-542-7466\n\n1-800-555-1212 directory assistance for 1-800 numbers\n",
'Subject: Re: Video in/out\nFrom: djlewis@ualr.edu\nOrganization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock\nNntp-Posting-Host: athena.ualr.edu\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.080719.4773@nwnexus.WA.COM>, mscrap@halcyon.com (Marta Lyall) writes:\n> Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips"\n> Keywords: \n> \n> In article <628@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) writes:\n>>\n>>I\'m getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little\n>>advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows.\n>>I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn\'t work under Windows.\n>>What cards should I be looking into?\n>>\n>>Thanks,\n>>Craig\n>>\n>>-- \n>> "To forgive is divine, to be\n>>-Craig Williamson an airhead is human."\n>> Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas\n>> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers\n> \n> \n> Craig,\n> \n> You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the\n> time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right\n> driver. \n> \n> Josh West \n> email: mscrap@halcyon.com\n> \nAT&T also puts out two new products for windows, Model numbers elude me now,\na 15 bit video board with framegrabber and a 16bit with same. Yesterday I\nwas looking at a product at a local Software ETC store. Media Vision makes\na 15bit (32,768 color) frame capture board that is stand alone and doesnot\nuse the feature connector on your existing video card. It claims upto 30 fps\nlive capture as well as single frame from either composite NTSC or s-video\nin and out.\n\nDon Lewis\n<djlewis@ualr.edu>\n',
"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: York University, Toronto, Canada\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes:\n>>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes:\n>>\n>>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had?\n>>\n>>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above\n>>average year in the last 5.\n>\n>Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can\n>count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a\n>bad finish last year :-).\n>\n>(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said\n>Morris was a better signing than Viola?)\n>\n>Cheers,\n>-Valentine\n\nHey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their\nfingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \nfuture. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best \nsigning. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't \neven be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.\n\nShawn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"From: theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel)\nSubject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???\nOrganization: Colorado Springs IT Center\nLines: 7\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pizza8.cs.itc.hp.com\n\nFor those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS,\nsunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It\nwas one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local\ndealer had an ABS equipped SE-R. I went straight to the fleet manager\nat the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I\nknew what his price should be. He called me back with exactly what I\nwanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day. \n",
'From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles)\nSubject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention\nOrganization: The Brewers\' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US\nLines: 72\n\nlowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison) writes:\n\n> In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony\n> >\n> >\n> > With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider\n> >the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought\n> >the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier,\n> >would amuse you all...\n> >\n> >\n> > The following passages are exact quotes from "The Southern \n> >Baptist Convention and Freemasonry" by James L. Holly, M.D., President\n> >of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX \n> >77706. \n> > \n> <much drivel deleted>\n> > "Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His \n> >disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."\n> >Page 30. \n> > \n> > "The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity \n> >through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen \n> >in the writings of the \'great\' writers of Freemasonry". Page 31. \n> <more drivel deleted>\n> > I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! <g>,\n> >\n> >\n> >Tony \n> A Laugh? Tony, this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me, and that\n> any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the\n> future of just about anything. Shades of the Branch Davidians, Jim Jones,\n> and Charlie Manson.\n> \n> --Uncle Wolf\n> --Member Highland Lodge 748 F&AM (Grand Lodge of California)\n> --Babtized a Southern Babtist\n> --And one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either.\n> \n> > \n> > \n> \n> \n\n\nNot to worry. The Masons have been demonized and harrassed by almost \nevery major Xian church there is. For centuries now. And still they \nstand. They wil withstand the miserable Southern Boobtists, I am sure.\nThey may even pick up a little support as people start to listen to the \nBoobtists and realize that subtracting the obvious lies and claims of \nSatanism that the Masons sound pretty good by comparison. One thing is \nknown. A sizable proportion of Southern Babtists are Masons! And the \nMasons have already fired back in their own magazines against the \nBoobtist Witch-hunt.\n Since the Consrervatives have already been a divisive element with \ntheir war on Boobtist moderates and liberals, they may now start in on \ntheir Mason/Boobtist brothers and hasten their own downfall as more and \nmore Southern Boobtists realize their church can\'t stand being run by a \nhandful of clowns looking for holy civil wars and purity tests and drop \n\'em out of the leadership positions they have taken over.\n So as far as I am concerned, the louder, ruder, and more outrageous \nan Anti-Masonic Crusade these old goats mount, the better.\n\nPop some pocorn and get a center row seat. The circus is about to begin.\nAnd, Oh Look! HERE COME THE CLOWNS!\n\n\nPope Charles Slack!\n\n------------------\npopec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles)\nOrigin: The Brewers\' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350\n',
'From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions\nSummary: Please read this file before posting to alt.atheism\nKeywords: FAQ, atheism\nExpires: Fri, 14 May 1993 09:39:55 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nSupersedes: <19930315114603@mantis.co.uk>\nLines: 733\n\nArchive-name: atheism/faq\nAlt-atheism-archive-name: faq\nLast-modified: 5 April 1993\nVersion: 1.1\n\n Alt.Atheism Frequently-Asked Questions\n\nThis file contains responses to articles which occur repeatedly in\nalt.atheism. Points covered here are ones which are not covered in the\n"Introduction to Atheism"; you are advised to read that article as well\nbefore posting.\n\nThese answers are not intended to be exhaustive or definitive. The purpose of\nthe periodic FAQ postings is not to stifle debate, but to raise its level. If\nyou have something to say concerning one of these questions and which isn\'t\ncovered by the answer given, please feel free to make your point.\n\nOverview of contents:\n\n "What is the purpose of this newsgroup?"\n "Hitler was an atheist!"\n "The Bible proves it"\n "Pascal\'s Wager"\n "What is Occam\'s Razor?"\n "Why it\'s good to believe in Jesus"\n "Why I know that God exists"\n "Einstein and "God does not play dice""\n "Everyone worships something"\n "Why there must be a causeless cause"\n "The universe is so complex it must have been designed"\n "Independent evidence that the Bible is true"\n "Godel\'s Incompleteness Theorem"\n "George Bush on atheism and patriotism"\n "I know where hell is!"\n "Biblical contradictions wanted"\n "The USA is a Christian nation"\n "The USA is not a Christian nation"\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nSubject: What is the purpose of this newsgroup?\n\nTypical posting:\n\nWhy have a newsgroup about atheism? Why do atheists organize in groups? \nWhat is there to discuss?\n\nResponse:\n\nMany things are discussed here, including:\n\n* Whether it is reasonable to feign theism in order to avoid upsetting one\'s\n family\n* Prayer in schools\n* Discrimination against atheists\n* Sunday trading laws\n* The Satanic Child Abuse myth\n* Whether one should be an overt atheist or \'stay in the closet\'\n* How religious societies prey (sic) on new college students\n* How to get rid of unwanted proselytizers\n* Whether religion is a danger to society and/or the individual\n* Why people become atheists\n\nOf course, inevitably alt.atheism tends to attract evangelical Christians\nlooking for someone to convert. Most readers of the newsgroup don\'t \nwant to be preached to, although a few seem to derive perverse pleasure \nfrom tearing apart particularly ill-considered or uninformed postings.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Hitler was an atheist!\n\nTypical posting:\n\nHitler was an atheist, and look at what he did!\n\nResponse:\n\nAdolf Hitler was emphatically not an atheist. As he said himself:\n\n The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in\n his own denomination, of making _people_stop_just_talking_\n superficially_of_God\'s_will,_and_actually_fulfill_God\'s_will,_and_\n not_let_God\'s_word_be_desecrated._[orig. ital.]\n\n For God\'s will gave men their form, their essence, and their\n abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the\n Lord\'s creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be\n active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every\n man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who\n in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his\n religious community and tries to butt into the other.\n\n [...]\n\n Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will\n of the Almighty Creator: _by_defending_myself_against_the_Jew,_I_am_\n fighting_for_the_work_of_the_Lord._[orig. ital.]\n\n -- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf", trans. Ralph Mannheim.\n\nOf course, someone bad believing something does not make that belief\nwrong. It\'s also entirely possible that Hitler was lying when he claimed \nto believe in God. We certainly can\'t conclude that he\'s an atheist, \nthough.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: The Bible proves it\n\nTypical posting:\n\nIn the Bible it says that...\n\nResponse:\n\nMost of the readers of alt.atheism feel that the Bible is of questionable\naccuracy, as it was written thousands of years ago by many authors who were\nrecording oral tradition that existed many years before. Thus, any claimed\n\'truth\' in it is of questionable legitimacy. This isn\'t to say that The\nBible has no truth in it; simply that any truth must be examined before being\naccepted.\n\nMany of the readers of this group also feel that because any passage is\nsubject to "interpretation", any claim that a passage \'means\' one thing and\none thing only is not legitimate.\n\nNote that this feeling tends to extend to other books.\n\nIt is also remarkable to many atheists that theists tend to ignore other\nequally plausible religious books in favour of those of their own religion.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Pascal\'s Wager\n\nTypical posting:\n\nIf you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing --\nbut if you don\'t believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to\nhell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist.\n\nResponse:\n\nThis argument is known as Pascal\'s Wager. It has several flaws.\n\nFirstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are\nmany mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often\ndescribed as the "avoiding the wrong hell" problem. If a person is a\nfollower of religion X, he may end up in religion Y\'s version of hell.\n\nSecondly, the statement that "If you believe in God and turn out to be\nincorrect, you have lost nothing" is not true. Suppose you\'re believing in\nthe wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness.\nConsider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in\nfavour of prayer.\n\nAnother flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that \nthe two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of \ncomparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God \nis close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the\nargument is only likely to convince those who believe already.\n\nAlso, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on \nevidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or \ncost-benefit analysis.\n\nFormally speaking, the argument consists of four statements:\n\n 1. One does not know whether God exists.\n 2. Not believing in God is bad for one\'s eternal soul if God does\n exist.\n 3. Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist.\n 4. Therefore it is in one\'s interest to believe in God.\n\nThere are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view 1 as an\nassumption, and 2 as a consequence of it. One problem with this approach, in\nthe abstract, is that it creates information from no information. This is\nconsidered invalid in information theory. Statement 1 indicates one has no\ninformation about God -- but statement 2 indicates that beneficial information\ncan be gained from the absolute lack of information about God. This violates\ninformation entropy -- information has been extracted from no information, at\nno "cost".\n\nThe alternative approach is to claim that 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The\nproblem with this is that 2 is then basically an assumption which states the\nChristian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The\nargument thus collapses to "If you are a Christian, it is in your interests\nto believe in God" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal\nintended the argument to be viewed.\n\nThe biggest reason why Pascal\'s wager is a failure is that if God is\nomniscient he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as\na wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all\nwhether people believe in him.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: What is Occam\'s Razor?\n\nTypical posting:\n\nPeople keep talking about Occam\'s Razor. What is it?\n\nResponse:\n\nWilliam of Occam formulated a principle which has become known as Occam\'s \nRazor. In its original form, it said "Do not multiply entities \nunnecessarily." That is, if you can explain something without supposing\nthe existence of some entity, then do so.\n\nNowadays when people refer to Occam\'s Razor, they generally express it \nmore generally, for example as "Take the simplest solution".\n\nThe relevance to atheism is that we can look at two possible explanations \nfor what we see around us:\n\n1. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, which\ncame into being as a result of natural processes.\n\n2. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, and \nthere is also a God who created the universe. Clearly this God must be \nof non-zero complexity.\n\nGiven that both explanations fit the facts, Occam\'s Razor might suggest \nthat we should take the simpler of the two -- solution number one.\nUnfortunately, some argue that there is a third even more simple solution:\n\n3. There isn\'t an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there. \nWe just imagine that there is.\n\nThis third option leads us logically towards solipsism, which many people \nfind unacceptable.\n \n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Why it\'s good to believe in Jesus\n\nTypical posting:\n\nI want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion.\n\nResponse:\n\nPreaching is not appreciated.\n\nFeel free to talk about your religion, but please do not write postings that\nare on a "conversion" theme. Such postings do not belong on alt.atheism and\nwill be rejected from alt.atheism.moderated (try the newsgroup\ntalk.religion.misc).\n\nYou would doubtless not welcome postings from atheists to your favourite\nnewsgroup in an attempt to convert you; please do unto others as you would\nhave them do unto you!\n\nOften theists make their basic claims about God in the form of lengthy\nanalogies or parables. Be aware that atheists have heard of God and know the\nbasic claims about him; if the sole purpose of your parable is to tell\natheists that God exists and brings salvation, you may as well not post it,\nsince it tells us nothing we have not been told before.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Why I know that God exists\n\nTypical posting:\n\nI *know* from personal experience and prayer that God exists.\n\nResponse:\n\nJust as many theists have personal evidence that the being they worship\nexists, so many atheists have personal evidence that such beings do not\nexist. That evidence varies from person to person.\n\nFurthermore, without wishing to dismiss your evidence out of hand, many\npeople have claimed all kinds of unlikely things -- that they have been\nabducted by UFOs, visited by the ghost of Elvis, and so on.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Einstein and "God does not play dice"\n\nTypical posting:\n\nAlbert Einstein believed in God. Do you think you\'re cleverer than him?\n\nResponse:\n\nEinstein did once comment that "God does not play dice [with the universe]". \nThis quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the\nChristian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein\'s\nrefusal to accept the uncertainties indicated by quantum theory. Furthermore,\nEinstein\'s religious background was Jewish rather than Christian.\n\nA better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following:\n"I believe in Spinoza\'s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of\nwhat exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of\nhuman beings."\n\nEinstein was unable to accept Quantum Theory because of his belief in an\nobjective, orderly reality; a reality which would not be subject to random\nevents and which would not be dependent upon the observer. He believed that\nQM was incomplete, and that a better theory would have no need for\nstatistical interpretations. So far no such better theory has been found,\nand much evidence suggests that it never will be.\n\nA longer quote from Einstein appears in "Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A\nSymposium", published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion\nin Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941. In\nit he says:\n\n "The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events\n the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side\n of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him\n neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an\n independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a\n personal God interfering with natural events could never be\n *refuted* [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this\n doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific\n knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.\n\n But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives\n of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine\n which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark,\n will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm\n to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers\n of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal\n God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past\n placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they\n will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable\n of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity\n itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably\n more worthy task..."\n\nEinstein has also said:\n\n "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religous convictions,\n a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a\n personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.\n If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the\n unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our\n science can reveal it."\n\nThe latter quote is from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen \nDukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. \nAlso from the same book:\n\n "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics\n to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind \n it."\n\nOf course, the fact that Einstein chose not to believe in Christianity does \nnot in itself imply that Christianity is false.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Everyone worships something\n\nTypical posting:\n\nEveryone worships something, whether it\'s money, power or God.\n\nResponse:\n\nIf that is true, everyone is a polytheist. Theists care just as much about\nthose things that atheists care about. If the atheists\' reactions to (for\nexample) their families amount to worship then so do the theists\'.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Why there must be a causeless cause\n\nTypical posting:\n\nSets of integers that have a lower bound each have a smallest member, so\nchains of causes must all have a first element, a causeless cause.\n\nResponse:\n\nThe set of real numbers greater than zero has a definite lower bound, but has\nno smallest member.\n\nFurther, even if it is true that there must be a causeless cause, that does\nnot imply that that cause must be a conscious supernatural entity, and\nespecially not that any such entity must match the description favoured by\nany particular religion.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: The universe is so complex it must have been designed\n\nTypical posting:\n\nThe presence of design in the universe proves there is a God. Surely you\ndon\'t think all this appeared here just by chance?\n\nResponse:\n\nThis is known as the Argument From Design.\n\nIt is a matter of dispute whether there is any element of design in the\nuniverse. Those who believe that the complexity and diversity of living\ncreatures on the earth is evidence of a creator are best advised to read the\nnewsgroup talk.origins for a while.\n\nThere is insufficient space to summarize both sides of that debate here.\nHowever, the conclusion is that there is no scientific evidence in favour of\nso-called Scientific Creationism. Furthermore, there is much evidence,\nobservation and theory that can explain many of the complexities of the\nuniverse and life on earth.\n\nThe origin of the Argument by Design is a feeling that the existence of\nsomething as incredibly intricate as, say, a human is so improbable that\nsurely it can\'t have come about by chance; that surely there must be some \nexternal intelligence directing things so that humans come from the chaos\ndeliberately.\n\nBut if human intelligence is so improbable, surely the existence of a mind\ncapable of fashioning an entire universe complete with conscious beings must\nbe immeasurably more unlikely? The approach used to argue in favour of the\nexistence of a creator can be turned around and applied to the Creationist\nposition.\n\nThis leads us to the familiar theme of "If a creator created the universe,\nwhat created the creator?", but with the addition of spiralling \nimprobability. The only way out is to declare that the creator was not\ncreated and just "is" (or "was").\n\nFrom here we might as well ask what is wrong with saying that the universe\njust "is" without introducing a creator? Indeed Stephen Hawking, in his book\n"A Brief History of Time", explains his theory that the universe is closed\nand finite in extent, with no beginning or end.\n\nThe Argument From Design is often stated by analogy, in the so-called \nWatchmaker Argument. One is asked to imagine that one has found a watch on\nthe beach. Does one assume that it was created by a watchmaker, or that it\nevolved naturally? Of course one assumes a watchmaker. Yet like the \nwatch, the universe is intricate and complex; so, the argument goes, the \nuniverse too must have a creator.\n\nThe Watchmaker analogy suffers from three particular flaws, over and above \nthose common to all Arguments By Design. Firstly, a watchmaker creates \nwatches from pre-existing materials, whereas God is claimed to have \ncreated the universe from nothing. These two sorts of creation are \nclearly fundamentally different, and the analogy is therefore rather weak.\n\nSecondly, a watchmaker makes watches, but there are many other things in \nthe world. If we walked further along the beach and found a nuclear \nreactor, we wouldn\'t assume it was created by the watchmaker. The argument \nwould therefore suggest a multitude of creators, each responsible for a \ndifferent part of creation.\n\nFinally, in the first part of the watchmaker argument we conclude that \nthe watch is not part of nature because it is ordered, and therefore \nstands out from the randomness of nature. Yet in the second part of the \nargument, we start from the position that the universe is obviously not \nrandom, but shows elements of order. The Watchmaker argument is thus \ninternally inconsistent.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Independent evidence that the Bible is true\n\nTypical posting:\n\nThe events of the New Testament are confirmed by independent documentary\nevidence. For example...\n\nResponse:\n\nThe writings of Josephus are often mentioned as independent documentary\nevidence.\n\nEarly versions of Josephus\'s work are thought not to have mentioned Jesus or\nJames; the extant version discusses John in a non-Christian context. Many\nscholars believe that the original mentioned Jesus and James in passing, but\nthat this was expanded by Christian copyists. Several "reconstructions" of\nthe original text have been published to this effect.\n\nMuch information appears in the Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius (about 320\nC.E.). It is worthless as historical material because of the deliberate\nfalsification of the wily Eusebius who is generally acknowledged as \'the\nfirst thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity.\' It is Eusebius who is\ngenerally given the title of authorship for this material.\n\nAside from the New Testament, the biographical information about Jesus is\nmore well-documented. For further information, please consult the Frequently\nAsked Questions file for the newsgroup soc.religion.christian.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Godel\'s Incompleteness Theorem\n\nTypical posting:\n\nGodel\'s Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible for the\nBible to be both true and complete.\n\nResponse:\n\nGodel\'s First Incompleteness Theorem says that in any consistent formal \nsystem which is sufficiently expressive that it can model ordinary \narithmetic, one can formulate expressions which can never be proven to be \nvalid or invalid (\'true\' or \'false\') within that formal system. (Technically\nspeaking, the system must also be recursive; that is, there must be a decision\nprocedure for determining whether a given string is an axiom within the formal \nsystem.)\n\nEssentially, all such systems can formulate what is known as a "Liar \nParadox." The classic Liar Paradox sentence in ordinary English is "This \nsentence is false." Note that if a proposition is undecidable, the formal \nsystem cannot even deduce that it is undecidable.\n\nThe logic used in theological discussions is rarely well defined, so claims\nthat Godel\'s Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible to\nprove or disprove) the existence of God are worthless in isolation.\n\nOne can trivially define a formal system in which it is possible to prove the\nexistence of God, simply by having the existence of God stated as an axiom. \nThis is unlikely to be viewed by atheists as a convincing proof, however.\n\nIt may be possible to succeed in producing a formal system built on axioms\nthat both atheists and theists agree with. It may then be possible to show\nthat Godel\'s Incompleteness Theorem holds for that system. However, that\nwould still not demonstrate that it is impossible to prove that God exists\nwithin the system. Furthermore, it certainly wouldn\'t tell us anything about\nwhether it is possible to prove the existence of God generally.\n\nNote also that all of these hypothetical formal systems tell us nothing about\nthe actual existence of God; the formal systems are just abstractions.\n\nAnother frequent claim is that Godel\'s Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates\nthat a religious text (the Bible, the Book of Mormon or whatever) cannot be\nboth consistent and universally applicable. Religious texts are not formal\nsystems, so such claims are nonsense.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: George Bush on atheism and patriotism\n\nTypical posting:\n\nDid George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens?\n\nResponse:\n\nThe following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I.\nSherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman\nis a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of\nthe press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce\nfederal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the\npresidential primary:\n\n RS: "What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"\n\n GB: "I guess I\'m pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in\n God is important to me."\n\n RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of\n Americans who are atheists?"\n\n GB: "No, I don\'t know that atheists should be considered as citizens,\n nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under\n God."\n\n RS: "Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation\n of state and church?"\n\n GB: "Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I\'m just not\n very high on atheists."\n\nUPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were\nstill angry over the remarks.\n\nThe exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27,\n1989. It can also be found in "Free Enquiry" magazine, Fall 1988 issue,\nVolume 8, Number 4, page 16.\n\nOn October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane,\ncochairman of the Bush-Quayle \'88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a\nlawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School\nDistrict 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to\npledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as "one nation under God"\n(Bush\'s phrase). The following conversation took place:\n \n RS: "American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday.\n Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"\n \n EM: "It\'s bullshit."\n \n RS: "What is bullshit?"\n \n EM: "Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."\n \n RS: "Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush\n campaign is on this issue."\n\n EM: "You\'re welcome."\n\nAfter Bush\'s election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract\nhis statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the\nPresident, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by\nhis original statement, and wrote:\n\n "As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports\n atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or\n supported by the government."\n\nFor further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American\nAtheist Press\'s Cameron Road address.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: I know where hell is!\n\nTypical posting:\n\nI know where Hell is! Hell is in Norway!\n\nResponse:\n\nThere are several towns called "Hell" in various countries around the\nworld, including Norway and the USA. Whilst this information is mildly\namusing the first time one hears it, readers of alt.atheism are now \ngetting pretty fed up with hearing it every week.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: Biblical contradictions wanted\n\nTypical posting:\n\nDoes anyone have a list of Biblical contradictions?\n\nResponse:\n \nAmerican Atheist Press publish an atheist\'s handbook detailing Biblical\ncontradictions. See the accompanying posting on Atheist Resources for\ndetails.\n\nThere is a file containing some Biblical contradictions available from the\narchive-server@mantis.co.uk. See the contacts file for more information.\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: The USA is a Christian nation\n\nTypical posting:\n\nBecause of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers, shouldn\'t the\nUnited States be considered a Christian nation?\n\nResponse:\n\nBased upon the writings of several important founding fathers, it is clear\nthat they never intended the US to be a Christian nation. Here are some\nquotes; there are many more.\n\n "What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society?\n In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the\n ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen\n upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been\n the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert\n the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient\n auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it,\n needs them not."\n - James Madison, "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785\n\n "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of\n the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross.\n Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"\n - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson\n\n "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people\n maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of\n ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will\n always avail themselves for their own purpose."\n\n - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813\n\n "I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or\n requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely\n above it."\n\n - Benjamin Franklin, from "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion",\n Nov. 20, 1728\n\n------------------------------\n\nSubject: The USA is not a Christian nation\n\nTypical posting:\n\nIs it true that George Washington said that the United States is not in any\nsense founded upon the Christian religion?\n\nResponse:\n\nNo. The quotation often given is in fact from Article XI of the 1797 Treaty\nof Tripoli (8 Stat 154, Treaty Series 358):\n\n Article 11\n\n As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense\n founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of\n enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, -- and as\n the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility\n against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no\n pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption\n of the harmony existing between the two countries.\n\nThe text may be found in the Congressional Record or in treaty collections\nsuch as Charles Bevans\' "Treaties and Other International Agreements of the\nUnited States of America 1776-1949", vol. 11 (pp. 1070-1080).\n\nThe English text of the Treaty of Tripoli was approved by the U.S. Senate on\nJune 7, 1797 and ratified by President John Adams on June 10, 1797. It was\nrecently discovered that the Arabic version of the treaty not only lacks the\nquotation, it lacks Article XI altogether.\n\nThe person who translated the Arabic to English was Joel Barlow, Consul\nGeneral at Algiers, a close friend of Thomas Paine -- and an opponent of\nChristianity. It is possible that Barlow made up Article XI, but since there\nis no Arabic version of that article to be found, it\'s hard to say.\n\nIn 1806 a new Treaty of Tripoli was ratified which no longer contained the\nquotation.\n\n\nEnd of FAQ Digest\n*****************\nÿ\n',
"From: rao@cse.uta.edu (Rao Venkatesh Simha)\nSubject: xrn , xarchie for HP's\nNntp-Posting-Host: cse.uta.edu\nOrganization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 10\n\n\n\tHi,\n\tI need xrn and xarchie for the HP's (9000/730, version 8 OS), either in\nthe source form or, (preferably) in executable form. Please suggest\nwhere I can find this, \n\tSend e-mail to: rao@cse.uta.edu\nThanks in advance,\nRao.\n-- \nSSC\n",
'From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr)\nSubject: Asante EN/SC hangs SCSI devices\nReply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr)\nOrganization: Central Illinois Surfing Club\nLines: 31\n\nI just hooked up my Mac IIsi to a relatively old (1 year?) Asante EN/SC\nadapter. The 10Base-T connection works like a charm. I installed the\nnewest drivers from Asante\'s ftp server.\n\nThe problem begins when I attach one more device to the SCSI chain -\nspecifically a 50MB drive. I power up the drive, then the Mac. The Mac\ntests memory, etc. Just before the "happy Mac face" normally shows up, the\npower light on the EN/SC goes out, and the boot process stops. So I can use\nthe network, or the external drive, but not both at once. This makes the\nAsante box pretty much unusable.\n\nIt doesn\'t look like a purely electrical SCSI problem, because if I turn\non the drive just a second or so too late, so that it doesn\'t get noticed\nduring the initial SCSI polling, the Mac boots normally and the adapter\nworks, even though the hard disk is powered on and connected. The Mac has\n*never* once failed to boot from its internal drive up to now (and I\'ve had\nit for over a year).\n\nHere is what I tried: changing the SCSI ID\'s of the EN/SC and the disk --\nseveral permutations; changing the order of devices, i.e. the EN/SC at the\nhead or tail of the chain; overterminating with an external terminator\n(both devices have internal ones); underterminating, i.e. removing internal\nresistors from the hard disk; trying another EN/SC box; trying another\nidentical drive; trying several different SCSI cables.\n\nHas anybody seen this? More importantly, does anyone have a solution?\nThanks a lot. E.\n\n-- \nEric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department\nbehr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!)\n',
"Subject: XLib and 24 Bit Displays [Info Needed]\t\nFrom: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant)\nReply-To: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nKeywords: Xlib\nNntp-Posting-Host: riverdale.declab.usu.edu\nLines: 23\n\nHi,\n\nMy name is rahul and I am doing MS at USU, Logan\nMy query is:\n\tI have a HP workstation: HP Series 400 with X running on it.\nI have a true color - 24bit color monitor connected to this machine.\nNormally I have the capability to display 256 colors from a max of\n16.7 million. Since the monitor is True Color I can see 16.7\nmillion at a time. \nQue: do we have a facility in X(c-function call) that will enable me\nto specify any RGB combination and see it on screen? I am using\nXStoreColor to set the pallette of a max of 256 colors.\nQue: If not. Is there any way I can display a true color image\non a true color monitor using XLib function calls?\n\nWe are generating ray traced images and 256 colors are indeed a\npainful limit. besides I need the facility to display the true color images \ni will be generating on a true color system WITHOUT color \nquantification.\nPlease, if anyone can help i'd be obliged\n\nRahul\nsl0pr@cc.usu.edu\n",
"From: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl (Anton de Ruiter)\nSubject: ??? TOP-30 MOTIF Applications ???\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands.\nLines: 35\n\nHello everybody,\n\nI am searching for (business) information of Motif applications, to create a\nTOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers\nand Fax programs, etc..\n\nPlease mail me all your information or references. I will summaries the\nresults on this media.\n\n\nThank you in advance,\n\nAnton de Ruiter.\n\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| _ __ |Digital Equipment Corporation |\n| /_| __ /_ _ __ __/_ /__) ./_ _ _|WorkGroup Products (WGP) |\n|/ |/ /(_ (_)/ / (_/(-' / \\ (_//(_ (-'/ |OBjectWorks (OBW) |\n| |Ing. Anton de Ruiter MBA |\n| |Software Product Manager |\n| __ |Post Office Box 245 |\n| | /_ _ /_ / _'_ _ _ |7300 AE Apeldoorn, The Netherlands|\n| |/|/(_)/ /\\ (__// (_)(_//_) |Oude Apeldoornseweg 41-45 |\n| / |7333 NR Apeldoorn, The Netherlands|\n| __ |-----------------------------------|\n| /__)_ _ __/ _ /_ _ |Mail : HLDE01::RUITER_A |\n| / / (_)(_/(_/(_ (_ _\\ |DTN : 829-4359 |\n| |Location: APD/F1-A22 |\n| |-----------------------------------|\n| __ _ |Internet: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl|\n| / )/_) ._ _ /_ | /_ _ /_ _ |UUCP : ..!mcsun!philapd!aruit |\n| (__//__)/(-'(_ (_ |/|/(_)/ /\\ _\\ |Phone : 31 55 434359 (Business)|\n| _/ |Phone : 31 5486 18199 (Private) |\n| |Fax : 31 55 432199 |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!DIR\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 18\n\n> Someone give SportChannel a call (or maybe Ted Turner).\n> Wasn't USA network covering the playoffs years ago?\n> \n> Jim G.\n\nOh to be back in the good old days when I lived in Florida (Florida for\nPetes sake!!) and could watch hockey every night as ESPN and USA alternated\ncoverage nights. Oh well I guess it would be too simple for the home office\nto look back into their past to solve a problem in the present...\n\nOf course I shouldn't complain. At least I'm getting to watch the playoffs\nfor a change. (Hooray!!) Now if the ESPN schedulers will realise there are\nother teams except Pittsberg in the Patrick. (Sounds like a Dr Suess Book\n=)\n\nKOZ\n\nLETS GO CAPS!!\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Name of MD\'s eyepiece?\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <C4IHM2.Gs9@watson.ibm.com> clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes:\n>|> |It\'s not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never\n>\n>A speculum?\n\nThe speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope.\nThere are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are\nall too familiar with.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)\nSubject: Re: Who\'s next? Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu\n\nIn article <1r1i41$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>\n>Just maybe you won\'t be home. Then you can come home to something \n>like this:\n>\n> "Well, it\'s been a rough month," begins Johnnie Lawmaster. "I\n> just get laid off, and my divorce became final. But I just wasn\'t\n> ready for what happened this particular Monday."\n\n[horror story about FBI ruining a guy\'s life for the hell of it omitted]\n\n>So if you don\'t want your tea party to be held in awkward silence, make\n>sure your lawyer isn\'t there, there\'s a good chap.\n\nSo, is this a real story or a work of fiction? How about some\nsources? When, where, and in what newspaper did you get all this\nfrom? Or is it all hypothetical?\n-- \n+------------------------+------------------------------------+\n| David Charlap | "Apple II forever" - Steve Wozniac |\n| dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | "I drank what?" - Socrates |\n+------------------------+------------------------------------+\n',
'From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nIn-Reply-To: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM\'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 93 09: 06:09 BST\nOrganization: Compaq Computer Corp\n\t<1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> <C5w5zJ.HHq@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>\n\t<19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com>\nLines: 14\n\n>>>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:06:09 BST, nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) said:\nGS> How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is\nGS> able to accept donations to keep craft operational.\n\nI seem to remember NASA considering this for some of the Apollo\nequipment left on the moon, but that they decided against it.\n\nOr maybe not...\n\n\n--\nEd McCreary ,__o\nedm@twisto.compaq.com _-\\_<, \n"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/\'(*)\n',
'From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com \nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: NONE\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <C5qu5H.1IF@news.iastate.edu>, oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n|> >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:\n|> >|>\n|> >|>..[cancellum]... \n|> >|>\n|> >\n|> >\nhenrik] Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;\nhenrik] ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW \nhenrik] that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with \nhenrik] their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion \nhenrik] of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. \n\nOnur Yalcin] It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as \nOnur Yalcin] they appear in their signatures (I failed to do so since you did \nOnur Yalcin] not bother to sign your posting). Not only because it is the \nOnur Yalcin] polite thing to do, but also to avoid addressing ladies with \nOnur Yalcin] "Mr.", as you have done.\n\n\tFine. Please, accept my opology !\n\nOnur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled \nOnur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to \nOnur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that \n ^^^^^^^^^^^\nOnur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the \nOnur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey\'s \nOnur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements.\n\n\tbi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ? \n\t\nOnur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in \nOnur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only \nOnur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now pursuing.\n\n\tBuch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART \n of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and\n review the HISTORY. \n\n\tThe Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS\n to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their \n teritory.\n\nOnur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to \nOnur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such \nOnur Yalcin] terminology as "itchy-bitchy"... \n\n I was not the one that STATED IT. \n\t\n However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane \n to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one\n that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane\n (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.\n\n\n\n',
'From: MCAVALCANTI%VORTEX.UFRGS.BR@UICVM.UIC.EDU\nSubject: DTP\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 3\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nPlease Ineed information about desk top publishe- post graduate courses\nand if possible email address or normal mail.\nthanks in advance\n',
'From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com\nSubject: "Ex-Gay"? (was: HOMOSEXUALITY Fact & Fiction)\nLines: 152\nReturn-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>\n\nTony-\n\nWhile I honestly believe you believe you are doing a "good thing" by posting\nthat piece of propaganda, I believe the more people believe that the more they\nwill feel justified in their blatant persecution of gay oriented people. I\nhave seen the film called "The Gay Agenda" and along with my church we found\nit to be horrifying. Not because of what was actually shown (cleaver use of\neditting can create any image one wants to portray), rather becaseu we are familia\nfamiliar with how widely it was actively distributed and how many naive people\nare actually believing the garbage found within it. The truth is that neither\nyou nor I can fully speak for anyone who calls themself gay, but knowing as\nmany as I do and knowing their testimonies and witnessing thier faith and life\nI have to say that the report you posted is a very biased report, something\nobviously claimed against gays as well. The truth is that unless YOU are\ninnately gay you cannot know what harm you are causing. I speak as an\nabolitionist who supports affirming gay rights in our society. I do not\nsupport wild sex or any other misrepresentations perpetrated by Christian\nFundamentalist extremists, but I know people who are not the sexual deviants\nyour report paints them to be. It is no mistake that the APA removed\nhomosexuality from it\'s list of mental illnesses, it is also no mistake that\nthere are many Christians and homophobes who long to bring it back to the list.\nI do not feel threatened by gays, I don\'t understand why others are.\n\nThe following is an article concerning two of the more popular ex-gay min-\nistries: Exodus International & Homosexuals Anonymous.\n\nTHE FOUNDER OF AN "EX-GAY" SUPPORT GROUP CHOOSES HOMO OVER HETERO\n\nby Robert Pela (from Gay oriented magazine ADVOCATE)\n\nIn December 1985, David Caligiuri received one of The Advocate\'s homophobia rewaa\nawards: the A Prayer A Day Keeps the Lust Away citation. As director of FREE\nINDEED, a national ex-gay ministry, Caligiuri was singled out for offering\ndiscontented gays and lesbians "a way out of the homosexual death-style"\nthrough prayer. "I\'d like to give the award back," Caligiuri now laughs, "I\'m\nno longer deserve it."\n Caligiuri\'s eight year involvement with the national "ex-gay" movement peaked\nwith his founding of the Phoenix chapter of Homosexuals Anonymous (HA) as well\nas Free Indeed. He has since abandoned his pulpit and now says that the ex-\ngay movement is a fruitless effort based on deception. "There\'s no reality\nin it," he says, "I was selling a product, and my product was a lie."\n Headed up by national ministries like Exodus International and Courage, the\norganizations of the ex-gay movement rely on the tenents of born-again\nChristianity to convince disatisfied homosexuals -- usually young gay men who\nare just coming out -- that they can shed their sexuality by suppressing their\nsexual urges and embracing Christianity. "We offer support to people who are\nseeking to leave the sin of homosexuality," explains Bob Davies, director of\nExodus. He ventures that "about 80% of those seeking to abandon their homo-\nsexuality are men."\n "Anybody who is involved in the ex-gay ministry is misguided and is wasting\ntheir time," says Lisa Seeley, a former "redeemed lesbian" who worked with\nCaligiuri as HA and appeared with him on the Sally Jessy Raphael show. "These\norganizations are for people who are spiritually and emotionally wounded."\n "It\'s possible to change your identity or your behavior," says sex educator\nBrian McNaught, author of _On Being Gay_. "But it\'s really impossible to\nchange your orientation. These people are no longer calling themselves gay,\nbut they continue to have same-sex erotic feelings."\n Caligiuri says he founded Free Indeed after an ominous week in 1981 when all\nhell broke loose in his personal life. A few days after his lover ended both\ntheir romance and their business partnership, Caligiuri was sexually assaulted\nby a man he picked up in a bar. "I was really drunk," he recalls, "and I\nwent home with this guy. He tied me up and raped me. He left me tied up all\nnight, and the next morning he raped me again."\n When Caligiuri was eventually freed by the attacker, he returned home to the\nhome he shared with his ex-lover. "He had another man there with him,"\nCaligiuri recalls. "I thought at this time, \'If this is what being gay is\nabout, I don\'t want to be this way anymore."\n Caligiuri vowed that if he could find a way out, he would share his discovery\nwith others. He organized an antigay contingent to demonstrate at Phoenix\'s\ngay pride parade in June 1985, and a few months later Free Indeed held its\nfirst public protest. At a meeting to promote a gay civil rights ordinance,\nFree Indeed members loudly blasted gays, telling them ther were sinners headed\nfor hell.\n Free Indeed began receiving about a hundred telephone calls a week, thanks\nin part to a deceptive listing in the local yellow pages. "We were listed\nunder Lesbian and Gay Alternative Services," Caligiuri says, "so people\nthought we were a gay information switchboard. People would call to find out\nwhere the local bars were, and we\'d preach to them about the sins of homo-\nsexuality." Ruses like this are typical of the movement, Caligiuri says,\nadding, "They\'ll do anything to reach these people."\n "David used to go on radio and say really stupid things," recalls Peter\nKelly, a counselor at Phoenix\'s Catholic diocese AIDS program, "like that\nhe knew he was gay when he started wearing pastel colors."\n Caligiuri\'s family first found out about his ministry when they saw him on\nRaphael\'s syndicated talk show in 1985. "They were relieved," he recalls.\n"They figured that if they had to have a gay person in the family, better\nthat I should be a \'reformed\' gay person."\n But Caligiuri was hardly reformed. "By the time I appeared on Sally\'s\nshow," "I\'d started having sex with men again. Men would call our hotline\nand tell me about thier latest sin: sex with their pastor, sex with their\nfather. I was horny all the time."\n Unable to risk going to gay bars, where he might be recognized from his\nnumerous television appearances, Caligiuri says he "used to go to bookstores\nand get blowjobs." When he wasn\'t working the bookstores, he was sleeping\nwith other "reformed" homosexuals.\n "I didn\'t realize it at first, but a lot of the HA leaders were having sex\nwith one another," Caligiuri says. "We\'d go to conferences in other cities,\nand we\'d be paired up in hotel rooms. Everybody was sleeping with everybody\nelse."\n By the time he appeared on \'AM Philadelphia\' television show in May 1988,\nCaligiuri was having anonymous sex a couple times a week. When the show\'s\nhost asked him if he ever "acted on temptation," his answer was a lie.\n Caligiuri\'s duplicity began to take it\'s toll on him, however. He was\nsuffering from chrinic fatigue syndrome and candidiasis, a dibilitating\nyeast infection, and this led to his escape from the sect. "I was too sick\nto go to church," he explains. "The more time I spent away from those people\nthe more I began to feel like myself. I began to remember who I used to be."\n Late in 1991, Caligiuri turned Free Indeed phone lines over to a local\nchurch and closed the ministry\'s doors. "I\'d convinced myself that there\nis no need in the world for ex-gay people," he says.\n Today, Caligiuri, 31, is studying alternative spiritualities ("I\'m interest-\ned in belief systems that aren\'t judgemental."), considering romance ("But\nnot with a CHristian!"), and searching for a new project to devote himself to.\n"I feel compelled to commit myself to gay causes," he says. "I want to\neventually stop feeling guilty about what I did and make up for the damage I\nmay have brought to our community."\n\n---end article---\n\nCaligiuri\'s tory is by no means unique and I have read several other articles\nof former leaders and founders of \'ex-gay\' ministries who have said very similar th\nsimilar things. Fortuantely not all of them have left Christianity, but have\ncome to realize that God loves them despite the attitudes of others. Some,\nlike Chris Glaser, director of the Presbyterian "Lazarus Project" of West\nHollywood Presbyterian Church have actually been working with the gay community\nto bring them into the sheepfold of Christ and encouraging real ethical values\nof sexuality within the sphere of being gay. I have also, as I said talked and become\nand become close friends with many who once attended such groups as "Love In\nAction" and others, who either once claimed to have been "reformed" or who\nwere too honest with themselves to live a lie, no matter who was disappointed\nin them. Some were even encouraged to marry as a way of "sealing" their\nnew heterosexuality, only to eventually start hitting the bars, bathhouses\nand bookstores, since these were usually activities under the concealment of\nnight and one-night-stands of promiscuous behavior meant no continuous "sin"\nthrough a committed relationship. This is a horrible trap which the CHurch\nhas dumped on the backs of the truly gay oriented people, and the very inno-\ncent victims in these cases are the wives and children of such marriages. Yet\nthe church insists that there are only two options they are willing to allow\ngay people: 1) heterosexuality or 2) celebacy. This is sad. What is also\nmrtifying, is in the cases of those who cannot suppress their desires and\nfear for thier sanity in such a mixed up confusion that the church forces on\nthem, they may even opt for \'suicide\' or surgical dampering of the brain\nfunctions. In the past lobotomies and heavey drug suppressants were common-\nplace. There are now becoming available more and more literature on the\nthreat of coercive Christianity toward gays, such as Sylvia Pennington\'s\n_"Ex-Gays? There Are None_. and others. There are also a great many fact\nbased books being written to help people trapped in this confusion such as\nMaury Johnston\'s _Gays Under Grace_, and Chris Glaser\'s _Come Hom!_. I\nseriously recommend those for people seeking help for this persecution and\nself-acceptance.\n\nThank you.\n',
"From: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252)\nSubject: Looking for WMF Converter\nKeywords: WMF, windowsmetafile\nNntp-Posting-Host: couloir\nReply-To: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252)\nOrganization: Interleaf, Inc.\nLines: 13\n\n\nI'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows\nMeta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use\noutside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but\nnot a requirement. Please reply to the address below.\n\n\nDavid Buchholz Internet: buck@ileaf.com\nProduct Manager uucp: uunet!leafusa!buck\nInterleaf, Inc. voice: 617.290.4990 x-3252\n\n\n\n",
"From: william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu\nSubject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE\nOrganization: Dept of TAM Cornell Univ. Ithaca, NY\nLines: 19\nReply-To: william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fractl.tn.cornell.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.215747.17331@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:\n>The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the\n>draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now,\n>and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior\n>with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us\n>on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and\n>Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to.\n>Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time.\n>Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit.\n>\n>\n> - Dave Borden\n> borden@m5.harvard.edu\n\n\nYou selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice somthing\nfor your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? To bad.\nWhat is immoral is: people like you and the current president who don't\nhave any idea why this country still exists after 200+ years.\n",
"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)\nSubject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 2\n\nGood luck.\n\n",
"From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne)\nSubject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1\nOrganization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC\nLines: 24\n\ndla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes:\n: ..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm...\n: \n: gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw -lXaw -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -lXt -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl -ltermcap\n: Undefined first referenced\n: symbol in file\n: index /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o)\n: rindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o)\n: ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm\n: *** Error code 1\n: make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xterm'\n: \n: Any clues for help?\n\nEither:\n\t* Add -lucb -lelf to the list\n or\n\t* #define index() and rindex() to strchr() and strrchr() respectively.\n\t Both use same args. Former are bsd, latter are SysV.\n-- \n+==============================Ahold NV===============================+\n| Room 146 , Ankersmidplein 2, 1506 CK Zaandam, The Netherlands, EEC |\n| Dick.Heijne@ccsds.ahold.nl - Tel: +31 75 592151, Fax: +31 75 313030 |\n+=====================================================================+\n",
"From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)\nSubject: * What's the difference between a Mac Portable and Powerbook 100?\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu\n\nI've been looking into getting a portable Mac to do some work and I've\nhad my eye on the PB 100. Lately, I've been seeing people with the old\nportables, and they're selling for $300 LESS that the PB 100s. What I\nwant to know is: what are the differences between them? All I know is\nthat the Portable is heavier, but the PB100 doesn't have an internal\ndrive. Here's what I NEED to know:\n\nDoes the portable support Appletalk/network connections?\nWhat's the CPU inside a Portable? (68000?)\nDOES THE PORTABLE SUPPORT SYSTEM 7?????????\nWhat's the maximum memory capacity of the Portable? Can you still get\n\tRAM (meaning: does it use special SIMMS?)\nWhat kind of internal HD does it use?\nDoes the Portable have a better screen?\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tTHANX in advance.\n\n===============================Mike Gaines==============================\n= WHAT is your name? Captain Jean-Luc Picard =\n= WHAT is your quest? I seek the Holy Grail =\n= WHAT is the top velocity of a Bird of Prey? Romulan or Klingon? =\n= I....I don't know...AAAHHHH!!!! =\n=============================meg5184@hertz.njit.edu=====================\n Graphix@AOL.com\n",
'From: Dave Watson <watson@maths.uwa.edu.au>\nSubject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation\nOrganization: The University of Western Australia\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au\nNNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au\n\nzyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes:\n\n>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?\n>Is there any reference to it? \n\nThe Delaunay triangulation is the geometrical dual of the \nVoronoi tessellation and both constructions are derived from\nnatural neighbor order.\n\nAurenhammer, F., 1991, Voronoi Diagrams - A Survey of a \nFundamental Geometric Data Structure:\nACM Computing Surveys, 23(3), p. 345-405. \n\nOkabe, A., Boots, B., and Sugihara, K., 1992, Spatial \ntessellations : concepts and applications of Voronoi diagrams: \nWiley & Sons, New York, ISBN 0 471 93430 5, 532p.\n\nWatson, D.F., 1981, Computing the n-dimensional Delaunay \ntessellation with application to Voronoi polytopes: \nThe Computer J., 24(2), p. 167-172.}\n\nWatson, D.F., 1985, Natural neighbour sorting: The Australian \nComputer J., 17(4), p. 189-193. \n\n--\nDave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au\nDepartment of Mathematics \nThe University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359\nNedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028\n',
'From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu)\nSubject: 512 kb VRAM SIMMs?\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi\nReply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 12\n\n\nHi there!\n\nCould some kind soul tell me what is the price of LC/IIvi/IIvx\ncompatible 512kb VRAM SIMMs in the US nowadays? The price over here\n(Finland) is so ridiculously high (about $185 each in USD) that I\nthink it is worth the trouble to try to get them overseas.\n\nThanks\n\n--\nJartsu\n',
'From: luom@storm.cs.orst.edu (Luo Martha BaoMing)\nSubject: summer program\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University\nLines: 8\n\nDoes anyone know any good decipleship trainning program during min August \nto end of Sept. Or any missionary programs.\nI currently belong to the Missionary Alliance Church in Oregon.\nPlease reply by mail.\n\nthanks.\n----\nluom@storm.cs.orst.edu\n',
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C5nAvn.F3p@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:\n> In article <philC5n6D5.MK3@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:\n> #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced ....\n> \n> Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. \n> \n> -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia\n\nWhen you force people to associate with others against their will,\nyes.\n\n\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
'From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)\nSubject: Re: quality control in medicine\nSummary: Kaiser has been doing it for a while\nArticle-I.D.: pegasus.1993Apr22.221508.10196\nOrganization: Pegasus, Honolulu\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <93108.003258U19250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n>Does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total\n> quality management, quality control, quality assurance in the delivery of\n> health care service. I would appreciate any information. If there is enough\n>interest, I will post the responses.\n> Thank You\n> Abhin Singla MS BioE, MBA, MD\n> President AC Medcomp Inc\n\nDr Singla, you might contact Kaiser Health Plan either in the area\nclosest to you or at the central office in Oakland CA. We have been\ndoing QA, QoS, concurrent UR, and TQM for some time now in the Hawaii\nRegion, and I suspect it is nationwide in the system.\nLen Howard MD\n',
'From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)\nSubject: Re: Foreskin Troubles\nSummary: Dorsal slit operation\nArticle-I.D.: pegasus.1993Apr22.221111.9678\nOrganization: Pegasus, Honolulu\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.042100.2720@radford.vak12ed.edu> mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes:\n>What can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male\n>whose foreskin will not retract?\n>\nMelissa, there is a simpler procedure called a "Dorsal slit" that is\nreally the first step of the usual circumcision. It is simpler and\nquicker, but the pain is about the same as circumcision after the\nanesthetic wears off and the aesthetic result post healing is not as\ngood. See your friendly urologist for more details.\n Len Howard\n.\n',
'From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl)\nSubject: Re: mysterious TV problem -- source?\nNntp-Posting-Host: chip\nReply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl)\nOrganization: MPR Teltech Ltd.\nLines: 30\n\nLLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu writes:\n>Initial symptoms:\n>-no picture or sound\n>-CRT filament does NOT glow\n>-flyback ticking as described abovew\n\n>Discovered when hooked up the scope:\n>-IF strip is not putting out audio or video signals\n>-everything is making simple 20-30 Hz pulses\n>-horiz out transistor collector (case of the TO-3) is a 20-30 Hz downgoing\n> sawtooth with ca. 15kHz ring at front end\n\n>guys, WHAT"S GOING ON HERE? Anyone seen this before?\n\nWhat is happening is this:\n1) You turn the TV on.\n2) The horizontal output begins normal operation. This powers up the\n high voltage and most of the rest of the circuitry.\n3) A problem is sensed and the horizontal oscillator shuts down.\n4) After it powers down the cycle repeats.\n\nThings to check:\nFirst check for a shorted high power component. Your best bet is the vertical\noutput transistor(s) or, if there is one, the voltage regulator. The most\ncommon cause of this type of failure is too much current being drawn\nsomewhere.\nAlso look for shutdown circuits (which your TV may or may not have),\nif you can find one that is shutting down the horizontal oscillator\nthen it shouldn\'t be too hard to find the problem from there.\n\n',
"From: neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale)\nSubject: Pioneer Laser player\nOrganization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science\nLines: 5\n\nI'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing\nand/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When\nI power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the\ndoor doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how\nto obtain documentation?\n",
"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek (Better Ideas)\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.154449.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nIn article <1rbp6q$oai@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr22.214735.22733@Princeton.EDU> phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes:\n>>A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually \n>>it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would \n>>have expected a more visible/meaningful role.\n> \n> \n> Christian Slater, only gota cameo on ST6, \n> \n> and besides.\n> \n> Maybe she can't act:-)\n> \n> pat\n> \n\nBetter idea for use of NASA Shuttle Astronauts and Crew is have them be found\nlost in space after a accident with a worm hole or other space/time glitch..\n\nMaybe age Jemison a few years (makeup and such) and have her as the only\nsurvivour of a failed shuttle mission that got lost.. \n\nHeh of late, they way they have been having shuttle problems in the media,\nanything can happen.. \n\nImagine a Astronaut/Crew member to find themselves in the 24th Century as the\nobject of interest of an alien civilization, maybe rescued or helped by the ST\nEnterprise... I know Vegr and such was okay, but this could be better..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n",
'From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nKeywords: MSG, Glu\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 5\nNntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu\n\nI have heard that epileptic patients go into seizures if they\neat anything with MSG added. This may have something to do with\nthe excitotoxicity of neurons.\n\n-fm\n',
'From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.56.1993.28439@athos.rutgers.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:\n\n> I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in\n> the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread.\n> There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New\n> Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day.\n\nJim,\n\nPlease feel free to correct me and give me some texts. As far as I can see the\nonly text which vaugely relates to jewish evangelism is found in Mt. 23:15.\nHowever since this is found only in Mt. it cannot be dated before 90CE which\nmakes it unusefull for understanding Second Temple Judaism. \n\nrandy\n',
'From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy)\nSubject: Madison WI summer sublet\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nDistribution: uwix\nLines: 35\n\n\n\n\nDowntown FURNISHED Summer Sublet\n\n May 15 thru Aug 15\n Great location at:\n 215 N. Frances St.\n & Johnson St. (Across Witte)\n Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson\n Near State Street & Near South East Dorms\n Near University Square & Near SERF\n Two bedroom\n Your own spacious room\n (the larger!)\n Laundry available\n Parking available\n Bathroom\n Kitchen\n Large Closet\n Dual Desks\n Just pay for electricity (~$7/month)\n\n Asking $500 for whole summer!\n\n Send inquiries to:\n Howard\n 608-255-6379\n moy@cae.wisc.edu\n\n-- \n-Howard\n_________________________________________________________\n! Howard Moy\t\t\t\t!\n! (608) 255-6379\t\t\t!\n',
"From: chert@dungeon.cirr.com (Chert Pellett)\nSubject: Epson (HPGL) 4 pen plotter W/340 Pens $500 / B.O.\nSummary: HP compataible\nKeywords: Plotter HP Epson\nOrganization: Dis-\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 30\n\nGreetings,\n I have an Epson HI-80 4 pen plotter forsale. It emulates an HP 7570\nor 7574 - I'm not sure which. It has an option board on it that does\nthe emulation. It has a serial interface with Hardware handshake. I\nalso have 340 Pens for it as follows: 10 packs of 4 Black Oil based, 16\npacks of 4 Red,Green, Blue, and Black pens, 22 packs of 4 Aqueous Black,\n7 packs of 4 Aqueous R,G,Blue,Black, 1 pack of 6 Aqueous Multi color\npens, and 114 assorted non-packaged pens mostly colored.\n\n The plotter is used. I have tested it using the Windows drivers for\nHP 7570 and HP 7574 and both worked fine. It accepts either A or B\nsized paper. (8.5 x 11 or 11x17).\n\n I figure that the plotter is worth about $300 and the pens are worth at\nleast another $200 more.. One thing is certain, you won't need to\npurchase any pens for quite a while... All of the packaged pens were\nsealed so they are all still fresh. The rest were capped and seem to\nfunction as well.\n\n I'd be willing to sell the pens seperate if anyone is interested in\njust them.\n\n I'm selling it because I got a HP LaserJet and I don't need color.\n\n I'd like $350 or best offer...\n\n -Chert\n-- \nChert Pellett - chert@dungeon.cirr.com || chert@dungeon.lonestar.org\nPANIC: The cat is nibbling on the power cord!\n",
"From: long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long)\nSubject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer\nArticle-I.D.: spk.C52I89.GEq\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard\nLines: 31\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\n\nwilliam burchill (williamb@ee.ubc.ca) wrote:\n: \tDoes anybody out there know how the hand held breathalyzer used\n: by our police works? I would like to hear about this and the more\n: general problem of detecting smells by machine.\n: \n: Thanks, William.\n: \n: williamb@ee.ubc.ca\n: \n\nFrom what I have read about these little gadgets, it works on\na electrochemical galvanic principle. The sensing unit has a\nchemical matrix which produces an electrical voltage proportional\nto the amount of chemical compound it is designed for ... in this case\nI believe it is the Hydroxyl group??? \n\nI have also heard - not tested :-) - since common gasoline is also\na member of this Hydroxyl group, it will also cause a failing breathalizer\nfailure! Next time you get stopped for DUI, say you just siphoned gas from\nyour neighbors car (you know..... the Oklahoma credit card) and chances\nare you won't get a DUI ticket!!!!\n\n\n \nJerry Long\n\nlong@spk.hp.com\n****************************************\nDisclaimer.... Opinions are my own and\ndo NOT reflect those of my employer. \n**************************************** \n",
'From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark)\nSubject: Re: High Resolution ADC for Mac II\nNntp-Posting-Host: elvex33.acns.nwu.edu\nOrganization: Northwestern University\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1qidk1INNhk9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rob Douglas\n<douglas@ecc.ubc.ca> wrote:\n> \n> In article <1qhfmg$hoh@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Charles E. Cunningham,\n> cec@imager writes:\n> > I would like to buy a 16 bit ADC card for the Mac II with digitization\n> >rate of at least 100 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. I would prefer one with \n> >good differential and integral linearity, and DMA would be a plus. Other\n> >than National Instruments, do you know of any other vendor who sells such\n> >a card?\n> \n> Instrutech Corp has a nice looking 16 bit A/D and D/A board that can run\n> at the speeds you want. The ITC-16 (?) doesn\'t have DMA, but it does have\n> a good sized FIFO that can buffer your samples. Instrutech can be reached\n> at (516) 829-5942, or 929-0934 (FAX).\n> \n\nI don\'t know about the Instrutech boards (though I plan to check them out),\nbut you need to be very careful checking the monotonicity and S/N ratio of\nmany of the "16 bit" boards out there. The NI boards are very clearly\nspecified in terms of monotonicity, S/N ratio, accuracy, etc; and the\nNB-A2100 and NB-A2150 have all the dyynamic range and freedom from\ndistortion that you\'d expect from a good, true 16 bit converter. This is\nnot true for the Spectral Innovations boards, for example.\n',
'From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru)\nSubject: Re: No land for peace - No negotiatians\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 52\n\n\n\nhasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:\n\n\n>Ok. I donot know why there are israeli voices against negotiations. However,\n>i would guess that is because they refuse giving back a land for those who\n>have the right for it.\n\nSounds like wishful guessing.\n\n\n>As for the Arabian and Palestinean voices that are against the\n>current negotiations and the so-called peace process, they\n>are not against peace per se, but rather for their well-founded predictions\n>that Israel would NOT give an inch of the West bank (and most probably the same\n>for Golan Heights) back to the Arabs. An 18 months of "negotiations" in Madrid,\n>and Washington proved these predictions. Now many will jump on me saying why\n>are you blaming israelis for no-result negotiations.\n>I would say why would the Arabs stall the negotiations, what do they have to\n>loose ?\n\n\n\'So-called\' ? What do you mean ? How would you see the peace process?\n\nSo you say palestineans do not negociate because of \'well-founded\' predictions ?\nHow do you know that they are \'well founded\' if you do not test them at the \ntable ? 18 months did not prove anything, but it\'s always the other side at \nfault, right ?\n\nWhy ? I do not know why, but if, let\'s say, the Palestineans (some of them) want\nALL ISRAEL, and these are known not to be accepted terms by israelis.\n\nOr, maybe they (palestinenans) are not yet ready for statehood ?\n\nOr, maybe there is too much politics within the palestinean leadership, too many\nfractions aso ?\n\nI am not saying that one of these reasons is indeed the real one, but any of\nthese could make arabs stall the negotiations.\n\n>Arabs feel that the current "negotiations" is ONLY for legitimizing the current\n>status-quo and for opening the doors of the Arab markets for israeli trade and\n>"oranges". That is simply unacceptable and would be revoked.\n \nI like California oranges. And the feelings may get sharper at the table.\n\n\n\nRegards,\n\nDorin\n',
'From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com\n\nxlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:\n\n>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n\nNo, it\'s not possible to countersteer either.\n\n(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!)\n\n*********************************************************************\n\'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich \n\'72 1000cc Sportster.....\'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055\n\'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245\nQueued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843\nTwo Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28% \nMa Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes...\ne-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis) \nDisclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.\n*********************************************************************\n',
'From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)\nSubject: Re: Letter to the President\nNntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 8\n\nkdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:\n\n>the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury,\n\n\nIn case you haven\'t sent it yet, it\'s "Bentsen", not "Bensen".\n\nBrad\n',
'From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God\'s Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 66\n\nBrian Kendig writes:\n\n> Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given\n> it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is\n> the blood that makes atonement for the soul.\n>\n>The Old Testament was very big on the "eye for an eye" business. It\n>makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to "repay"\n>moral wrongdoing.\n\nBrian K., guess what? You missed the point. On a scale from cold to\nhot, you are at 0 degrees Kelvin.\n\n>I know about sanctification. I\'ve been taught all about it in Sunday\n>school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all\n>that, I still can\'t accept it. Maybe I\'m still not understanding it,\n>or maybe I\'m just understanding it all too well.\n\nThen as you understand it, what is it?\n\n>From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent\n>man is wrong.\n\nYes. I agree with that. But what does that have to do with Jesus?\nPunishment you say? Jesus did not regard his death as punishment. \n\n>I\'ve tried repeatedly over the course of several years\n>to accept it, but I just can\'t. \n\nGood. I wouldn\'t either--not the way you understand it. \n\n>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,\n>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.\n>Be warned, however, that I\'ve heard all the most common arguments\n>before, and they just don\'t convince me.\n\nAsk Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It\nisn\'t a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for\na persuasive argument. Read Jesus\'s own reply to your\nquestion.\n\nJesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason\nwhy Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with\nhis punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that\nwe would "stop doubting and believe" (John 21:27). The fact\nthat Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise\nfrom the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it.\nWithout this obvious point, I would have no hope\nand my faith would be vanity.\n\nWhy did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus\nsays why in John 15:18-25. That\'s no mystery either. "The\nworld hates him without reason." It is a direct proclamation\nof how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we\nneed a Saviour.\n\nAnd why can\'t you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? "The\nworld cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows\nhim." (John 14:17). The animosity and the lack of knowledge\nthat comes out in your twistings of Robert\'s daily verses is\nvery convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25.\nI pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of\nknowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank\nGod that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I\'d also be\nbumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very\nPerson who created me and who loves me.\n',
'From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092\nLines: 92\n\nHave you ever met a chemist? A food industry businessman? You must\npersonally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they\nare evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease\nas possible into the general public. Gimme a break.\n \nIn article <1993Apr15.215826.3401@rtsg.mot.com> lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. L\nundby) writes:\n>\n>>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?\n>>>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?\n\n person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are\n>too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!!\n \nBecause it makes the food TASTE BETTER! Why does it put salt in food?\nSame reason.\n\n>I REALLY DON\'T UNDERSTAND!!!\n\nObviously.\n \n>Somebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY!\n\n>IS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF?\n \nOf course not! (Although I would think that a person like you would be a\nbig fan of such recycling if that were the case).\n\n>IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE \n>FOOD IS POOR QUALITY?\n \nOn occasion that\'s probably the case, but in general the idea is that MSG\nimproves the flavor of certain foods.\n \n>DO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK?\n \nNo.\n \n>DO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...)\n> THAT MSG CORRECTS?\n \nNo.\n \n>I REALLY DON\'T UNDERSTAND!!!\n \nObviously.\n \n>ALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp)\n \nAs I recall, these are natural by-products of heating up certain foods.\nThey don\'t "put it in there".\n \n \nhave a number of criteria in choosing how to process food. They want to\nmake it taste good, look good, sell for a good price, etc. The fact that they\nuse it tells me that THEY think that it contributes to those goals they are\ninterested in. One of those goals is NOT "making people sick". Such a goal\nwoud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit.\n \n>I think\n>1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as\n>large as those on cig. packages.\n \nWarning of what? In California there is a law requiring that ANYTHING which\ncontains a carcinogen be labeled. That includes every gasline pump, most\nfoods, and even money cleaning machines (because Nickel is a mild carcinogen).\nThe result is that now nobody pays any attention to ANY of the warnings.\n \n>2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these\n>substances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and\n>SULFITES on the package.\n \nWhy? What if not 30% of people wanted to buy this ugly, rotten, not-as-tasty\nfood? I guess it will just be wasted, huh? How terribly efficient.\n \n>3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5. For that matter why dye food?\n \nBecause it makes food look better. I LIKE food that looks good.\nIf vitamin companies want to do that it is fine, but who are you to\ntell THEM how to make vitamins? Who are you to tell ME whether I should\nbuy flavored vitamins for my kids (who can\'t swallow the conventional ones\nwhole).\n \n>KEEP FOOD FOOD! QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK!\n \nHow do you define "junk"? Is putting "salt" in food bad? What about\nPepper? What about alcohol as a preservative? What about sealing jars\nwith wax? What about vinegar? You seem to think that "chemicals" are\nsomehow different than "food". The fact is that all foods are 100% chemicals.\nYou are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing.\n \n--Brian\n',
'From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Your typical phone company involved in your typical daydream\nDistribution: na\nIn-Reply-To: brad@clarinet.com\'s message of 17 Apr 93 06:13:26 GMT\n\t<1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com>\nNntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The\n telco isn\'t supposed to give that without a warrant. That\'s the rule today.\n\n But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the\n judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext\n without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can\'t record today\'s plain\n cellular calls and then ask a judge, "Hey, can we have permission to\n listen to those tapes?" can they?\n\nHow long do you think it will be before it becomes legal for the\npolice to record encrypted conversations "It\'s not violating your\nprivacy because we can\'t read the encryption without a warrant", with the usual\ngood-faith exception if they accidentally record a non-encrypted conversation.\n\nBesides, it\'s covered by the Drug Exception to the Fourth Amendment...\n--\n#\t\t\t\tPray for peace; Bill\n# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ\n#\t No, I\'m *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....\n# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461\n',
"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra)\nSubject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card?\nOrganization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <hcbfp4e@zola.esd.sgi.com> blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) writes:\n>\n>Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an\n>Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look\n>like?\n\n The one I got only does about 4kb/s in text and 320x200 (VGA/MCGA) mode,\nwhich is almost identical to the other W5186 based cards (ATI 68800\ndoes about 6kb/s). This is weird since the Orchid supposedly should\nbe much faster (and I was told by someone that it can do almost 16 kb/s),\nsince the VGA chip is covered by the Orchid label, I can't really tell\nfor sure if it uses a 5286 chip, but the spec. sheet that comes with\nthe board (no docs!) did say it has 1 meg dram and uses a 5286 chip.\nWinmarks (3.11) is about 4 mil. slower than a Viper (34 vs ~38) using\nstandard palette.\n\n BTW if anyone is insterested, I'm trying to sell a Diamond Viper (2 megs\nvram) for a friend for $300, email if interested (I'm too broke to\ntake it myself).\n\n>Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed?\n\n I think it's available in limited quantites. No idea of what VGA\nchip it uses though.\n\n Be very careful with OEM P9000 boards though, the Orchid I got\nfor example only has a readme file on disk that serve as \ndocumentation, and conflicts the hell with my VLB controller \ncard (or maybe it's my motherboard, an A.I.R. 486 VLB)\n\n+----------------------------------------------------------------+\nStephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii\n*Using a friend's account while waiting for my new grad. account*\n+ Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! +\n\n",
"From: cscon101@uoft02.utoledo.edu\nSubject: 1-800-832-4778 Western Digital NO REPLY\nOrganization: University of Toledo, Computer Services\nLines: 3\n\n1-800-832-4778 Western Digital's Voice Mail -\nCan get information on many drives, or an\nactual person at the end.\n",
'From: jwindley@cheap.cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)\nSubject: Mormon temples\nOrganization: University of Utah CS Dept\nLines: 113\n\nmserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes:\n| One thing I don\'t understand is why being sacred should make the\n| temple rituals secret.\n\nThe "so sacred it\'s secret" explanation is a bit misleading. While\nthere is a profound reverence for the temple endowment, there is no\ninjunction against discussing the ceremony itself in public. But\nsince public discussion is often irreverent, most Mormons would rather\nkeep silent than have a cherished practice maligned.\n\nBut there are certain elements of the ceremony which participants\nexplicitly covenant not to reveal except in conjunction with the\nceremony itself.\n\n| Granted, the Gnostic "Christians"\n| had their secret rituals, but these seem to have been taken entirely\n| from pagan pre-Christian mystery religions.\n\nThere are other interpretations to Christian history in this matter.\nOne must recall that most of what we know about the Gnostics was\nwritten by their enemies. Eusebius claims that Jesus imparted secret\ninformation to Peter, James, and John after His resurrection, and that\nthose apostles transmitted that information to the rest of the Twelve\n(Eusebius, _Historia Ecclesiastica_ II 1:3-4).\n\nIrenaeus claims this information was passed on to the priests and\nbishops (_Against Heresies_ IV 33:8), but Eusebius disagrees. He\nclaims the secret ceremonies of the Christian church perished with the\napostles. Interestingly enough, Eusebius refers to the groups which\nwe today call Gnostics as promulgators of a false gnosis (Eusebius,\nop. cit., III, 32:7-8). His gripe was not that thay professed *a*\ngnosis, but that they had the *wrong* one.\n\nWritings dealing with Jesus\' post-resurrection teachings emphasize\nsecrecy -- not so much a concealment as a policy of not teaching\ncertain things indiscriminately. In one story, Simon Magus opens a\ndialog with Peter on the nature of God. Peter\'s response is "You seem\nto me not to know what a father and a God is: But I could tell you\nboth whence souls are, and when and how they were made; but it is not\npermitted to me now to disclose these things to you" (_Clementine\nRecognitions_ II, 60). If any one theme underlies the _Recognitions_\nit is the idea that certain doctrines are not to be idly taught, but\ncan be had after a certain level of spiritual maturity is reached.\n\nNow one can approach this and other such evidence in many ways. I\ndon\'t intend that everyone interpret Christian history as I do, but I\nbelieve that evidence exists (favorably interpreted, of course) of\nearly Christian rites analogous to those practiced by Mormons today.\n\n| Neither New Testament\n| Christianity nor Biblical Judaism made a secret of their practices.\n\nBut if Judaism and Christianity had such ceremonies, would you expect\nto read about them in public documents? One can search the Book of\nMormon and other Mormon scripture and find almost no information on\ntemple worship. Yes, you could establish that Mormons worship in\ntemples, but you would probably be hard pressed to characterize that\nworship. On that basis, can we conclude that the Bible explains *all*\npractices which might have taken place, and that absence of such\ndescriptions proves they did not exist?\n\nMormon scholar Dr. Hugh Nibley offers us a list of scriptures from\nwhich I have taken a few:\n\n1. "It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of\nheaven, but to them it is not given" (Matt. 13:11).\n\n2. "All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given"\n(Matt. 19:11).\n\n3. "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them\nnow" (John 16:12).\n\n4. "The time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs,\nbut I shall shew you plainly of the Father" (John 16:25).\n\n5. "... unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"\n(1 Cor. 3:1-2).\n\n6. "Many things ... I would not write with paper and ink; but I ...\ncome unto you and speak face to face" (2 Jn. 1:12).\n\n(Nibley, _Since Cumorah_, pp. 92-94)\n\nAgain, these can also be interpreted many different ways. I believe\nthey serve to show that not all doctrines which could have been taught\nwere actually taught openly.\n\n| I have heard that Joseph Smith took the entire\n| practice (i.e. both the ritual and the secrecy surrounding the ritual)\n| from the Freemasons. Anybody in the know have any authoritative\n| information on whether or not this claim is true?\n\nHistorically, Joseph Smith had been adiministering the temple\nendowment ceremony for nearly a year before joining the Freemasons.\nThere is diary evidence which supports a claim that the rite did not\nchange after Smith became a Mason. It can be argued that Smith had\nample exposure to Masonic proceedings through the burlesque of his\ntime and through his brother Hyrum (a Mason), though no specific\nconnection has yet been established.\n\nMy conversations with Masons (with respect to temple rite\ntranscriptions which have appeared on the net) have led me to believe\nthat the connection from Masonry to Mormonism is fairly tenuous. As\nour moderator notes, most of what was similar was removed in the\nrecent revisions to the temple ceremony. I believe that critics who\ncharge that Mormon rites were lifted from Freemasonry do not have\nadequate knowledge of the rites in question.\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Jay Windley * University of Utah * Salt Lake City\n jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: sidhu@ee.ualberta.ca (Kenneth Sidhu)\nSubject: Dimming Incand. Lamps\nArticle-I.D.: kakwa.1993Apr6.221848.6569\nReply-To: sidhu@ee.ualberta.ca (Kenneth Sidhu)\nOrganization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca\n\n\n \n \n \nWhat's the latest and greatest way to dim incandescent lamps ?\n\nMarch '93 Circuit Cellar has part one of an article about\ndimming 120VAC lamps, but it seems to lead into phase-\ncontrol as the best method for controlling brightness.\n I've always hated phase-control for the RFI, buzzing\nfilaments and non-linear adjustment range. I had\nheard that you can modulate the AC line on a cycle by\ncycle basis to get better results. To cut the lamp's\npower to 50% you would givemsay 20 cycles of AC, then\nnothing for another 20 cycles. I wonder if anyone has\ntried this or knows what the pro stuff is using. Any\nadvice is appreciated!\n\nKen\n\n\nemail: sidhu@bode.ee.ualberta.ca\n",
"From: etobkkc@etn.ericsson.se (Karlsen Bjorn)\nSubject: Re: How is a Loopback connector made?\nIn-Reply-To: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 17:26:28 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: aliboats.etn.ericsson.se\nReply-To: etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se\nOrganization: Ericsson AS\nLines: 27\n\n35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:\n\n>I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial\n>port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the \n>serial port.\n>\n>Thanks for any help.\n\nFrom a recent BYTE magazine i got the following:\n\n[Question and part of the answer deleted]\n\n If you are handy with a soldering iron, the loopback plugs are easy to\nmake. On a serial RS-232 nine-pin port, use a female DB-9 connector and\nconnect pins 1 to 7 to 8; 2 to 3; and 4 to 6 to 9. For serial RS-232 \n25-pin ports, you'll need a female DB-25 connector with pins 1 to 7;\n2 to 3; 4 to 5 to 8; 6 to 11 to 20 to 22; 15 to 17 to 23; and 18 to 25\nconnected. To test a Centronics 25-pin parallel port, you'll need to\nconnect pins 1 to 13; 2 to 15; 10 to 16; 11 to 17; and 12 to 14 in a male\nDB-25 connector.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t-Stan Wszola\n---\n\nI haven't tried it. Use at own risk.\n\n-KKC- etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se\n",
"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes:\n=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One\n=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know\n=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized\n=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that,\n=however, because that's not written in their little rule book.\n\nOf course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is\nreacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock\nin other people.\n\nSimilarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other ingredients\nin it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't\nnormally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude\nthat any negative reaction is to the MSG?\n\n=I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad\n=reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting.\n\nI'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients.\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nCarl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL\n\nDisclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My\nunderstanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So\nunless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my\norganization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to\nhold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.\n",
"From: luttik@fwi.uva.nl (Bas Luttik (I91))\nSubject: Question: Can I connect two harddisk to one controller?\nSummary: I want to connect a second harddisk to my controller\nKeywords: Harddisk, Controller, MFM\nNntp-Posting-Host: gene.fwi.uva.nl\nOrganization: FWI, University of Amsterdam\nLines: 21\n\nHi,\n\nI've got a Victor PC/XT with a 20 MB harddisk in it. The controller is\na Toshiba MFM controller, with an additional 9 pins connector.\n\nThere are 2 busses from my harddisk to this controller. One with 9 wires\nand another with 34 wires.\n\nThe controller has two connectors for a 9 wire-bus and one for a 34 wire\nbus.\n\nNow I got a 20 MB harddisk from a friend of mine, and I wondered whether\nI can connect this second harddisk to the same controller (there is room\nfor a 9 wire-bus, but not for the 34 wire bus)\n\nHow can I solve my problem, any suggestions?\n\nIf you need more info, mail me, please (luttik@fwi.uva.nl).\n\n--Bas.\n\n",
'From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver)\nSubject: Summer Sublet available in Baltimore\nOrganization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu\n\nLarge bedroom for rent from June 1-Aug 15 in row house near JHU (Homewood).\nNo smokers or pets. Share house with 2 or 3 F law students. F professional/\nstudent wanted. 2 bath,large kitchen - remodeled last summer, hardwood floors,\nlr,dr, washer and dryer. Beautiful details. Rent $325 + 1/4 utilities.\nLocated on bus lines.\n \nFor more info email me : RFP@JHUVM\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n',
'From: kreyling@lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)\nSubject: Sun-os and 8bit ASCII graphics\nOrganization: Loral Data Systems\nDistribution: comp.graphics\nLines: 7\n\nI would like to know if anyone has had any luck using the upper 128 ASCII\ncharacters on a Sun station. I am trying to convert a fortran program to run\non a Sun. When we write character buffers to the Sun which contain char(218)\nor char(196) or char(197) etc. We get characters on the screen but they are\nnot the characters in the standard ASCII tables.\n\nAny ideas or help will be appreciated.\n',
'From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)\nSubject: Re: ESPN and Expansion\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 38\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu\n\nIn article <C5109u.7C0@ucdavis.edu> itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:\n>I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he\'s got me a little\n>confused.\n>\n>While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit\n>from the fringe players they\'ll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs,\n>Sheffield getting 150 rbi\'s, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was,\n>of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball\n>has expanded (early 60\'s, late 60\'s, late 70\'s).\n>\n>What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would\n>do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the\n>likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs.\n>\n>My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The\n>last time I looked, there wasn\'t a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I\n>miss something?\n>\nOnly if you persist in believing that Peter Gammons is more knowledgable about\nbaseball than the average mailbox. Okay, I\'m overstating. Still, the man \nactually had the gall to say that one out of every six pitchers in the NL this\nyear did not pitch in the majors last year.\n\nHuh?\n\nIMO, this expansion will not see the explosive jump in offense that the \nother expansion drafts had, since the talent was diluted over both leagues.\nIn Gammons\' defense, because the talent drain came from the AL as well, some\nincrease will be seen. He also gets credit for mentioning that the 1969 jump\nin offense was due also to the rules changes after the 1968 season. He\'s still\nfull of it...\n\n\n-- \n Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu\n"If you take out all the f--ks, this is an 18 page book."\n -Wally Backman, leafing though a copy of Mets teammate Lenny Dykstra\'s \n autobiography, _NAILS_ \n',
"From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)\nSubject: Re: WinQVT/Net V3.4?\nArticle-I.D.: biochemi.ashok.661.0\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: CWRU School of Medicine\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <354@lorien.OCF.LLNL.GOV> dave@angmar.llnl.gov (Dave Fuess) writes:\n\n>An earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to\n>WinQVT/Net version 3.4. Realy? Where? I tried archie\n>with no luck. It's probably just a typo.\n\nNot a typo. It was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu a couple days back.\n\n>But I sure would like to get one if it's real as I too\n>have a printer problem in WinQVT.\n\nVersion 3.4 uses standard Windows printer drivers.\n\nAshok\n\n--\nAshok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu\nDepartment of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300\nCWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544\n",
'From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)\nSubject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824\nReply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA\nOrganization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:\n|> \n|> One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:\n|> \n|> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how\'s it going, \n|> nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"\n|> \n|> 1) If you\'re watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention \n|> is on the road, where it should be, and you\'re more likely to see cages.\n|> \n|> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when \n|> you\'re IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. \n\n\nThe down side is that when I\'m in my cage, I have on numerous occasions\nslammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at\na passing biker. Ow.\n\n-- \n=============================================================================\n= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=\n= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre =\n= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can\'t afford the \'93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca =\n= Parking spaces? We don\'t need no steenkin\' parking spaces! =\n=============================================================================\n',
'From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\nSubject: mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed?\nOrganization: Jack\'s Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures\nLines: 18\n\nI just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable \n(backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put \nthe machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just \nfreeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset \nswitch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error \nmessage of "Co processor not installed". \n\nI know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone \nhave any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix \nit? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That \nprobably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not \nkingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine. \n\nAny Ideas? -- Gene Wright.\n\n--\n gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\n------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------\n',
'From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil\nSubject: Golf shoes size 9 1/2\nOrganization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH\nLines: 15\n\n Used pair of golf shoes Size 9 1/2 good shape no holes etc. $10.00 o.b.o.\n plus shipping. David-- \n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid B. Snyder Logicon Technical Services Inc.\ndsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\n513-255-5165 Dayton, Ohio USA\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\nIt is said that GOD doesn\'t subtract from ones\' time on earth, those\nhours spent flying.\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n1946 Cessna 140 N76234 "The lady in waiting" Owner/Operator\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\nOpinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF.\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)\nSubject: Re: Quick question\nKeywords: Removing panels.\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:\n> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside\n>on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want\n>to access its pins.\n>\n\nThere is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW\ngroup must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I\nwould like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of\nHonda. Thank you.\n\n-andy\n",
"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)\nSubject: MS Mouse Driver 8.2\nOriginator: news@nimaster\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisle.princeton.edu\nOrganization: Princeton University\nLines: 15\n\nDoes anyone have the documentation for the MS Mouse Driver 8.2? I got it when \nI got Windows 3.1, but my Windows manual does not come with the documentation. \nIn particular I need to know how to turn it off, and how to speed it up \noutside windows. The greater sensitivity is needed so I can play various \ngames, esp X-wing :)\n\n---\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, |\n| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human |\n| | stupidity, and I'm not sure |\n| | about the former. - Einstein |\n| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------|\n| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra |\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott)\nSubject: XDM/xsession woes\nKeywords: xdm, xterm\nLines: 22\nReply-To: dnh@mfltd.co.uk\nOrganization: Micro Focus Ltd.\nX-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-3\n\n\nI\'ve just managed to get xdm running from an NCR 3000 (an SVR4 486 box\nrunning XFree86 1.2) to my NCD XDisplay. It\'s pretty much working, but\nI\'m encountering a weird error. I\'m attempting to start an xterm from\nmy .xsession file, but nothing happens. Redirecting stderr to a file\nusing \'exec 2>$HOME/.xerrors\' in .xsession reveals the error message:\n\n "xterm: Error 14, errno 1: Not owner"\n\nNow, if I start xterm from the window manager, or from the command line,\nit works fine. And starting other clients, like the window manager (mwm),\nand a clock, from my .xsession also works.\n\nAnyone encountered this? Suggestions?\n\naTdHvAaNnKcSe\n-- \nDes Herriott, / As a wise man once said,\nMicro Focus, Newbury. /\n+44 (0635) 565354 / "It takes a lot of brains to be smart, \ndnh@mfltd.co.uk / but it takes some neck to be a giraffe."\n\n',
'From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Tempest\nNntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas at San Antonio\nDistribution: na\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.105915.5584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk\n(Ross Anderson) writes:\n>res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:\n>> Wouldn\'t a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent\n>> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?\n>We\'ve got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there\'s no difficulty in\n>picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough\n>that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you\n>can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can\n>lock in on one and average the others out.\n>\n>The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts\n>of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also\n>highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to\n>another,\n>\nHell, just set up a spark jammer, or some other _very_ electrically-noisy\ndevice. Or build an active Farrady cage around the room, with a "noise"\nsignal piped into it. While these measures will not totally mask the\nemissions of your equipment, they will provide sufficient interference to\nmake remote monitoring a chancy proposition, at best. There is, of course,\nthe consideration that these measures may (and almost cretainly will)\ncause a certain amount of interference in your own systems. It\'s a matter\nof balancing security versus convenience.\n\nBTW, I\'m an ex-Air Force Telecommunications Systems Control Supervisor and\nTelecommunications/Cryptographic Equipment Technician.\n\n-- \n REMEMBER WACO!\n Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?\n[Opinions are mine; I don\'t care if you blame the University or the State.]\n',
"From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory)\nSubject: AVI file format?\nSummary: AVI file format?\nKeywords: AVI file format?\nOrganization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au\n\n\nHi,\n\twould someone please email the new AVI file\n\tformat. I'm sure that many people would \nlike to know what it is exactly.\n\nThank you\n\n\nMark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060\nRoyal Melbourne Institute of Technology,\nDepartment of Communication and Electronic Engineering,\nP.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.\n--\nMark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060\nRoyal Melbourne Institute of Technology,\nDepartment of Communication and Electronic Engineering,\nP.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.\n",
'From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)\nSubject: WANTED: Info on Asymetrix/Toolbook\nOriginator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl\nOrganization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands\nLines: 17\n\nDoes anyone know the phone and fax number of the Asymetrix\nCorporation. I am also interested in their e-mail address.\n\nI would also like to know what the current status of their product Toolbook\nis. I received the last update 1.5 about 1.5 year ago. Are their any new\ndevelopments or is Toolbook slowly dying?\n\nRegards,\n\nRob de Winter.\n\n\n-- \n*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***\n*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 ***\n*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands ***\n*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl ***\n',
"From: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong)\nSubject: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE!\nKeywords: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE!\nOrganization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada\nLines: 66\n\nThis will be my last post ( promotion ) of the hockey pool.. I will \nupdate the pool ( or try to ) every wednesday\n \nSubject: Please join my hockey playoff pool. \nDeadline for pool: Midnight Saturday\nRules: Read on\nCost: NONE\nPRIZES: NONE\nSend replies to : Montana@pinetree.org\n \nNote: if your entries is send by midnight saturday it will be accepted\n please include your name\n \n Rules to the ACME hockey playoff pool \n \nCritierias\n Pick 9 forwards ( as long as they are forwards LW=RW=C is okay)\n Pick 6 defensemen\n ( arrange them in a lines, 3 forwards and two defense = 1 line \n ( and arranged them in line order , which of your players would \n ( play in the first line and which plays in the second line \n Pick 1 designated playmaker \n ( can be any positions...try a defensemen )\n Pick 1 designated scorer ( can be any positions )\n Pick 1 goal-tender\n Pick a team ( the one you think may win the cup ) \n \n *note: players can only be chosen once !\n ie Cannot have Sakic as forward and again as designated passer\n ----------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n Calculation of points: \n ( except for designated scorer and playmaker)\n 1 assist = 1 pt IXI 1 goal = 1 pt II \n ( for players in line 1, their pt totals will be *2 )\n line 1 = pts * 2\n line 2 = pts * 1.5\n line 3 = pts * 1\n 1 win = 2 pt ( for goalies)\n \n The team that wins the Cup = 10 pts\n \nFor the designated playmaker Designated\nCalculation will be as follows Scorer:Goal = 3 pts\nEvery goal scored = 0.5 points Assists = 0.5 pts\nEvery assists = 2 points\n \n In the event of a tie, the tie will be broken by unmodified \n Goal totals and then by game winning goals\n ----SAMPLE-------------------------------------\n eg designated scorer = Jeremy Roenick\n Actual: G=12, A=10, Pts=22 Modified G=(12*3) + A=(10*0.5) = 41\n . \n designated playmaker = Steve Smith\n Actual: G=1, A=11, Pts=12 Modified G=(1*0.5) + A=(11*2) = 22.5\n .\n line 1 = J Murphy(24)- G Courtnall(14)- M Messier(14)\n Dave Manson(12)- Iafrate(7)\n Total points = 142 points for that line!\n\n\n--\n Internet: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong)\n UUCP: pinetree!montana\n Gordon's Pinetree -- Ottawa, ON, Canada -- +1 613 526 0702 -- v.32bis/v.42bis\n\n",
'From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)\nSubject: Heil Hernlem \nIn-Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu\'s message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 12:58:13 GMT\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n\n Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation\n patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and\n two wounded. In "retaliation", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded\n 8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli\n government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is \n necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!!\n\n Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every\n Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral\n bankruptcy of Israel\'s occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli\n government\'s policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.\n\n Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)\n\nVery nice. Three people are murdered, and Bradly is overjoyed. When I\nhear about deaths in the middle east, be it Jewish or Arab deaths, I\nfeel sadness, and only hope that soon this all stops. Apparently, my\nview point is not acceptable to people like you Bradly.\n\nHernlem, you disgust me.\n\nHarry.\n',
'From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels)\nSubject: Re: C++ toolkit "directions" ?\nOrganization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <533@imp.HellNet.org> devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene) writes:\n>I am trying to figure out the current C++ toolkit "directions".\n>More simply, I\'d like to know which C++ toolkit to "bet on" \n>for use in a new long term project.\n\nI have the same problem. I have looked at Motif++, WWL, InterViews, GINA++,\nand a few variations on the above. I\'ve also done a cursory examination\nof Rogue Wave\'s View.h++. I like View.h++\'s abstractions best of all of the\ntoolkits I mentioned, but the resulting code looks little like Motif, and I\nhave little confidence that this software will catch on or otherwise result\nin significant longevity for my code. GINA++ allows you to write code which\nlooks a great deal like Motif and also makes interesting use of inheritance,\nbut the resulting code is almost too Motif-like, and is certainly not\nsignificantly less verbose than equivalent C code. InterViews looks\npromising, but I haven\'t found a free version with Motif support, and I\'m\nnot confident how widely InterViews with Motif support will be adopted,\nand what (if any) specific Motif support will be available over time. The\nother libraries produce code which is less Motif-like, but which does not make\nsufficient use of the features of C++ to simplify my coding task.\n\nAt this point, my inclination is to write my Motif manipulation routines in\nC, and invoke those routines from my C++ code using simple abstractions suited\nto my specific task. Later, if OSF or some credible standards-setting body\ncomes up with a C++ interface to Motif, I will change to that. It does me\nno goo to write in C++ if my choice of interfaces leaves me with code which\nleaves me tied to an abstraction which is not consistent with the industry\ndirections. It\'s better to take a standard if inferior solution for now\nthan to go with a slgihtly superior approach which will leave me with both\nuseless code and useless skills a few years from now. Views.h++ is the only\nlibrary I\'d consider right now, but in our environment, we\'d end up spending\nnearly $5000 to use it, and I can\'t justify it when it\'s likely to cause\nshort-term productivity decreases as we learn the new abstraction, and is\nunlikely to be a sufficiently long-lived solution for us to reap the benefits\nat the high end of the J curve.\n\n- Brad\n-- \nBrad Daniels\t\t`\t| "If money can\'t buy happiness,\ndaniels@neosoft.com\t\t| I guess I\'ll have to rent it."\nI don\'t work for NeoSoft, and\t|\t\t- Weird Al Yenkovic\ndon\'t speak for my employer.\t|\n',
'From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)\nSubject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath\nOrganization: University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 8\n\nIn article <Apr.22.00.57.03.1993.2118@geneva.rutgers.edu> jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) writes:\n>I may be wrong, but wasn\'t Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? \n\nYes, he was. He also played Jesus in "Jesus Christ Superstar" before \nhe became a Christian. He played in Black Sabbath right after he first \ngot saved, but then left it.\n\nLink Hudson.\n',
'From: jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy)\nSubject: Memory upgrades\nOrganization: UCB Space Sciences Lab\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu\n\n\nExcuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in\nseveral FAQs but couldn\'t really find anything.\n\nI have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want\n(need) to add additional memory. But I\'m on a budget.\nI really don\'t need more than 10 meg max, so what is\nthe best (performance wise) and most economical way\nto do this? Someone told me that I should only use\nSIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg,\n4 2 meg, etc. What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg\nand use the rest of what I already have? The manual\nhasn\'t been very helpful with this.\n\nThanks.\n\n(Respond via e-mail if it isn\'t worth the bandwidth.)\n____________________________________________________________________\n"common human laws and interests "I wouldn\'t exactly call it a\n and emotions have no validity a happy dogma, but it makes me\n or signifigance in the vast feel better about not \n cosmos-at-large..." getting laid..."\n\t\t-HP Lovecraft -R. Carter\n____________________________________________________________________\n ______ ______ __ \n | /\\ ___\\ /\\ ___\\ /\\ \\ \n jacob@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu | \\ \\___ \\\\ \\___ \\\\ \\ \\___\n | \\/\\_____\\\\/\\_____\\\\ \\_____\\\n | \\/_____/ \\/_____/ \\/_____/\n',
'From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Kawasaki 440 AE for sale.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 6\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\n\nIncluded in thas sale is a Cover . THe cover is not sold separately.\nThe trailer is not being sold. \n\npat\n',
'From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 2\n\nthis is a test\n \n',
'From: tlin@badger.Berkeley.EDU (Tony Lin)\nSubject: WANTED: SPI\'s "War of the Ring"\nOrganization: Statistics Dept., U. C. Berkeley\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: badger.berkeley.edu\n\nThe subject line says it all -- I\'m trying to locate a copy of SPI\'s\nboard game "War of the Ring." Anyone have a copy with which they are\nwilling to part?\n\nThanks a million ...\n\n-- Tony\n(tlin@stat.berkeley.edu)\n\n',
"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)\nSubject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <33759@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:\n>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:\n>> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the\n>>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be\n>>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel\n>>some acceleration. Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty\n>>low maintenance costs. A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car\n>>that is all show and not much go. Even though many of the imports are fast, I\n>>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four\n>>clyinder. I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine. If you have any suggestions,\n>>Kevin Parker\n>\n> There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:\n>\n>\t\t\t 5.0 LITER MUSTANG\n\n\nnot! sorry, he said cvility, long trips, reliability, and low maintenance cost!\n",
'From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu\nSubject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST\nLines: 3\n\nThey must be shipping that good Eau Clair acid to California now.\n\nTom Freebairn \n',
'From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg)\nSubject: Commercial point of view\nOrganization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au\nLines: 29\n\nOriginal to: szabo@techbook.com\nG\'day szabo@techbook.com\n\n29 Mar 93 07:28, szabo@techbook.com wrote to All:\n\n sc> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo), via Kralizec 3:713/602\n\n sc> Here are some longer-term markets to consider:\n\nHere are some more:\n\n* Terrestrial illumination from orbiting mirrors.\n\n* World enviroment and disaster monitering system. (the Japanese have\nalready developed a plan for this, called WEDOS) Although this may be more\nof a "public good".\n\n* Space tourism.\n\n* Energy relay satellites\n\nta\n\nRalph\n\n--- GoldED 2.41\n * Origin: VULCAN\'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-6797 3:713/6\n(3:713/635)\n\n',
'From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)\nSubject: Gibbons Outlines SSF Redesign Guidance\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nNntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio\nLines: 76\n\nNASA Headquarters distributed the following press\nrelease today (4/6). I\'ve typed it in verbatim, for you\nfolks to chew over. Many of the topics recently\ndiscussed on sci.space are covered in this.\n\nGibbons Outlines Space Station Redesign Guidance\n\nDr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and\nTechnology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of\nthe Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space\nStation on April 3, three budget options as guidance to\nthe committee in their deliberations on the redesign of\nthe space station.\n\nA low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7\nbillion and a high option of $9 billion will be\nconsidered by the committee. Each option would cover\nthe total expenditures for space station from fiscal\nyear 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for\ndevelopment, operations, utilization, Shuttle\nintegration, facilities, research operations support,\ntransition cost and also must include adequate program\nreserves to insure program implementation within the\navailable funds.\n\nOver the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within\nthe NASA budget for the President\'s new technology\ninvestment. As a result, station options above $7\nbillion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in\nthe rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space\nstation option of $9 billion would require $2 billion\nin offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years.\n\nGibbons presented the information at an organizational\nsession of the advisory committee. Generally, the\nmembers-designate focused upon administrative topics\nand used the session to get acquainted. They also\nreceived a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation\non the process the Station Redesign Team is following\nto develop options for the advisory committee to\nconsider.\n\nGibbons also announced that the United States and its\ninternational partners -- the Europeans, Japanese, and\nCanadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give\n"full consideration" to use of Russian assets in the\ncourse of the space station redesign process.\n\nTo that end, the Russians will be asked to participate\nin the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting\nbasis, so that the redesign team can make use of their\nexpertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the\npossible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and\nsystems. The U.S. and international partners hope to\nbenefit from the expertise of the Russian participants\nin assessing Russian systems and technology. The\noverall goal of the redesign effort is to develop\noptions for reducing station costs while preserving key\nresearch and exploration capabilities. Careful\nintegration of Russian assets could be a key factor in\nachieving that goal.\n\nGibbons reiterated that, "President Clinton is\ncommitted to the redesigned space station and to making\nevery effort to preserve the science, the technology\nand the jobs that the space station program represents.\nHowever, he also is committed to a space station that\nis well managed and one that does not consume the\nnational resources which should be used to invest in\nthe future of this industry and this nation."\n\nNASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian\nparticipation will be accomplished through the East-\nWest Space Science Center at the University of Maryland\nunder the leadership of Roald Sagdeev.\n\n',
"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) \nSubject: Traffic morons\nReply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937\nLines: 36\n\nNMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)\nNMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks\n\nNMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to\nNMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was\nNMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I\nNMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the\nNMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).\n\nNMM>Did I do the right thing?\n\nNMM>Yours Truly :\n\nNMM> Niels Mikkel\n\nWell, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me,\nI've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by\npumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your\nbrake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can\nusually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of\nhim/her/it may mean that something is wrong.\n\nThe two problems I'd see with your strategy is that the red light may\nchange before you can get anything meaningful out of your mouth, or the\noccupant(s) may take exception to your opinions and demonstrate such\nphysically (on you or your now-parked bike). Admittedly, the latter is a\nslim chance, but it would be enough to give me pause.\n\n\n * SLMR 2.1a * sometimes you get to be the windshield, sometimes the bug\n \n----\n+===============================================================+\n|COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)|\n|Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop|\n+===============================================================+\n",
"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards)\nDistribution: world\nSubject: Re: Help! Ten beeps with 386/40 (AMI BIOS)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nOrganization: private COHERENT system\nLines: 9\n\nG. Wayne Nichols (gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:\n> I have a 386/40 motherboard with AMI BIOS.\n[..]\n> After multiple reboots, now it only gives 10 beeps and sits there?\nReferring to the manual of my motherboard with AMI-BIOS, 10 beeps are a \n'CMOS Shutdown Register Read/Write Error', if the system stops after these\nbeeps. If the system continues, it is a 'Keyboard error'.\n\nMichael\n--\n* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 *\n * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 *\n",
'From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)\nSubject: VIDEOCAMERA, AMIGA 3000, HP THINKJET For Sale as of 4/18\nLines: 49\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 49\n\nIf you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:\n EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu\n Phone (703)552-4381\n USMail Michael Beck\n 1200 Progress Street #5500E\n Blacksburg, Virginia 24060\n~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~\n \n1 PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder\n VHS HQ\n High Speed Shutter\n Flying Erase Head\n ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly\n Date/Time stamp\n Counter/Memory\n Rec Review\n Fade\n Back Light\n Auto/Manual Focus\n Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone\n Comes with:\n Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case\n (20" long X 13" wide X 6" high)\n Shoulder strap\n Power adaptor/battery charger\n Battery pack\n Remote recording controller\n UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor\n Audio/Video cables and adaptor\n Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features)\n 15" long X 4" wide X 8" high (w/ handle)\n ASKING PRICE: $BEST OFFER so far $350, but looking for more \n ($700 new price)\n \n1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard\n Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys \n broken)\n ASKING PRICE: $1500 OBO.\n \n1 Hewlett Packard ThinkJet Printer w/ HP-IB interface \n Like NEW in original box\n ASKING PRICE: $250 OBO.\n \nSOLD!! AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730\n ASKING PRICE: $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new)\n \nSOLD!! COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details\n BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475\n\n',
"From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nOrganization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY\nLines: 19\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nRay Knight (rknight@stiatl.salestech.com) wrote:\n:uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes:\n\n:>re: majority of users not readding from floppy.\n:>Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use\n:>CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked\n:>the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current\n:>didrectory?\n\n\n: Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or\n: TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2\n: applications.\n\nUnfortunately, cview does not pay attention to the temp environment variable.\n\nMatthew Zenkar\nmz@moscom.com\n\n",
"From: d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte)\nSubject: Re: SE rom\nNntp-Posting-Host: eufrat.nada.kth.se\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 21\n\nIn <1993Apr20.085651.1@mrl.dsto.gov.au> ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au writes:\n\n>There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older\n>computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been\n>upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal\n>with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult \n\nThere is one reason: market size.\n\nThe market size for color quickdraw for accellerated plusses and\nSEs (which don't go beyond 4 MB anyway) is just too small; the\nextra cost would belike $1,000 and with that money, you can buy a\ncolor classic instead.\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t/ h+\n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n\n -- I don't fear death, it's dying that scares me.\n",
"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)\nSubject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1\nOrganization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting\nLines: 10\n\nI predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the\nFederal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type\nbeing conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit\nshoot-to-kill directives.\n-- \nDave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>\n\nI'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes\nto pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the\nfederal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Mar27.142431.25188@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:\n>In article <1ov4toINNh0h@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:\n>\n>On the other hand, we do a good job of implying that the person who\n>weighs 400lbs is "overeating" when in fact, the body probably doesn\'t\n>make any moral judgements about its composition. Conceivably, the \n>body works just as hard maintaining its weight at 400 as someone else\'s\n>does at 200.\n>\n\nUndoubtedly it does, to maintain such a weight. And it does so\nprimarily by overeating. If it didn\'t, the weight would drop\nback to normal.\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha)\nSubject: Re: New Duo Dock info.\nOrganization: Cambridge Consultants Ltd., Cambridge, UK\nLines: 7\n\n>> In article <nazario-040493023201@stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>, nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes:\n>> > The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new\n>> > macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own. \n\nExcuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!!\n\nAlain\n",
"From: werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong)\nSubject: Internal Speaker Driver\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nThis probably is in a FAQ somewhere, but....\n\nI'm looking for Microsoft's internal speaker sound driver for Windows.\n\nShould be at Microsoft's FTP site, but I can't remember the name of the site...\n\nThanks.\n",
"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work??\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\nI've seen several references to split- or separate-beam radars, which I\nclaimed didn't exist. Gotta eat some crow here - I wasn't aware of them.\nAll I really knew was that it can be done with one beam.\n\nI believe the rest of what I said is accurate, though.\n\nMmmmmmm....crow.... (oops-wrong group)\n",
'From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nDidn\'t the new study asked "have you engaged in homosexual intercourse\nwithin the last two years" whereas Kinsey asked "have you ever engaged\nor thought about engaging in homosexual activity". Sort of like the \ndifference between "did you have yogurt this morning" and "are you \nallergic to lactose".\n\n-- \n\n -- Michal\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nImpressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner.\n',
'From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)\nSubject: 1992 - 1993 FINAL NHL PLAYER STATS\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 8\n\nIf you are interested in receiving the final player stats for\nthe 1992-1993 NHL Season as well as playoff box scores, stats and\nscores/updates...\nthen e-mail my stat server\n\nmmilitzo@skidmore.edu\n\nthe subject of the message must be:\tSTATS\n',
"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n\n>So how do you then explain sudden violent behavior of human beings?\n>Your theory would state that the more the human is detached from \n>primitive behavior, the more violent and non-moralistic the human\n>becomes (please correct me if my understanding was wrong). So\n>you have this bifurcation point where a madman is killing people\n>from the roof of a campus. Could you explain how your 'theory'\n>explains such a situation?\n\nMadmen are mad. Do we try to explain the output from a broken computer?\nI think not.\n\nkeith\n",
"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)\nSubject: AHL Calder Cup Playoff schedule and results\nOrganization: Clarkson University\nLines: 61\nNntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS\t\nhome team in CAPS\t\t*=if necesary\n=============================================\n\nFIRST ROUND\t\t\t\t\t\nSpringfield Indians vs Providence Bruins\nGm 1:\tSpringfield 3\tPROVIDENCE 2\t\nGm 2:\tSpringfield 5\tPROVIDENCE 4\nGm 3:\t4/16\tProvidence at Springfield\n\nCD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings\nGm 1:\tLast night, CDI at Adirondack\nGm 2:\t4/17\tCDI at Adirondack\nGm 3:\t4/18\tAdirondack at CDI\nGm 4:\t4/21\tAdirondack at CDI\nGm 5:\t4/23\tCDI at Adirondack\t*\nGm 6:\t4/24\tAdirondack at CDI\t*\nGm 7:\t4/26\tCDI at Adirondack\t*\n\nBaltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers\nGm 1:\t4/16\tBaltimore at Binghamton\nGm 2:\t4/17\tBaltimore at Binghamton\nGm 3:\t4/23\tBinghamton at Baltimore\nGm 4:\t4/24\tBinghamton at Baltimore\nGm 5:\t4/26\tBaltimore at Binghamton\t*\nGm 6:\t4/28\tBinghmaton at Baltimore\t*\nGm 7:\t4/30\tBaltimore at Binghamton\t*\n\nUtica Devils vs Rochester Americans\nGm 1:\t4/16\tUtica at Rochester\nGm 2:\t4/17\tUtica at Rochester\nGm 3:\t4/20\tRochester at Utica\nGm 4:\t4/22\tRochester at Utica\nGm 5:\t4/24\tUtica at Rochester\t*\nGm 6:\t4/26\tRochester at Utica\t*\nGm 7:\t4/28\tUtica at Rochester\t*\n\nMoncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs\nGm 1:\tSt John's 4\tMoncton 2\nGm 2:\t4/17\tMoncton vs St John's at Halifax\nGm 3:\t4/21\tSt John's at Moncton\n\nCape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens\nGm 1:\tFredericton 4\tCape Breton 3\t(2OT)\nGm 2:\t4/16\tCape Breton at Fredericton\t\n\nUnfortunately the newspaper didnt list complete playoff skeds for\nseries that already began. Also, the paper has not listed final\nstandings so their posting might be delayed until early next\nweek (Hockey News).\n\n ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n + Bri Farenell\t\t\tfarenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu +\n + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey\t\tGo USA Hockey!\t +\t\n + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92\t +\n + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93\t\t +\n + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 +\n + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +\n + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS +\n + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS\t\t\t +\n ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n",
'From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: Pressure meter\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 21\n\nHeise model 710A pressure meter. This is a precision 4-1/2\ndigit meter measuring 0 - 15 PSI (absolute) in .001 psi\nincrements. Case is in extremely good shape, and can be used\nas a stand-alone meter or panel mounted. Brass fitting (looks\nlike standard 3/8") on back. Operates from 110 VAC.\n\nI\'d like $50 for it, or make an offer. It is a lot more useful to\na lab than as an ersatz barometer, which is what I\'ve been using\nit for.\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n Intergraph Corp.\n M/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n',
'From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush)\nSubject: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms)\nArticle-I.D.: news.12805\nOrganization: Biochemistry\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu\n\n\n\nAm I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are\nugly? Yet another reason why they won\'t win the NL West! ;)\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nEric Roush\t\tfierkelab@\tbchm.biochem.duke.edu\n"I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"\nGrafitti, Paris, 1968\n\nTANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.)\n--------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)\nSubject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC?\nReply-To: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)\nOrganization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu\n(David Joshua Mirsky) writes:\n|> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.\n|> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.\n|> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS\n|> slot. Is that true?\n|> \n|> Thanks\n|> David Mirsky\n|> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu\n\nWell, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed:\n\n\tOne "socket" for an additional VRAM SIMM\n\n\tOne "socket" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM\n\n\tOne socket for a flat-pack FPU\n\n\tA processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with\n\tan additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit\n\tdata path that the LC/LC II lacked\n\nThat\'s it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit\nin the PDS, but that\'s the only place.\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Andre Molyneux KA7WVV "Insert your favorite disclaimer here" |\n+-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+\n| -=-------- PYRAMID TECHNOLOGY CORP |Internet: |\n| ---===------ 3860 N. First Street | andrem@pyramid.com |\n| -----=====---- San Jose, CA |Packet: |\n|-------=======-- (408) 428-8229 | ka7wvv@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na |\n+-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+\n',
"From: S_BRAUN@IRAV19.ira.uka.de (Thomas Braun)\nSubject: sources for shading wanted\nOrganization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irav19.ira.uka.de\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.25\n\nI'm looking for shading methods and algorithms.\nPlease let me know if you know where to get source codes for that.\n\nThanks a lot!\n\nThomas\n\n\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Thomas Braun, Universitaet Karlsruhe |\n| E-Mail : S_BRAUN@iravcl.ira.uka.de |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n \n\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| \\_\\_\\_\\_\\_ \\_\\_\\_ Thomas Braun |\n| \\_ \\_ \\_ University Karlsruhe, Germany |\n| \\_ \\_\\_\\_ email: |\n| \\_ \\_ \\_ - S_Braun@iravcl.ira.uka.de |\n| \\_ \\_\\_\\_ - UKAY@dkauni2.bitnet |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n \n",
'From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine)\nSubject: Science News article on Federal R&D\nOrganization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland\nLines: 8\n\nJust a pointer to the article in the current Science News article\non Federal R&D funding.\n\nVery briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current \ncompetitive advantage from things like military and other work that\ndoes not have as much commercial utility.\n-- \nChuck Divine\n',
'From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nKeywords: Nata thing !!\nNntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu\nReply-To: Matthew Hamilton\nOrganization: Kent State University CS\nLines: 68\n\nIn article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:\n> I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors,\n> but here goes:\n> \n> Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT\n> \n> MURDER MOST FOUL!!\n> \n> CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all\n> the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The\n> lies from ATF say "holes were made in the walls and \'non-lethal\' tear\n> gas pumped in". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up.\n> ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that\n> the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit\n> napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n> \n> THIS IS MURDER!\n> \n> ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!!\n> \n> THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN!\n> \n> I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see\n> it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was\n> still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left\n> alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won.\n> \n> I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**!\n> \n> God help us all.\n> \n> \n> PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON\'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN!\n> \n> \n> W. K. Gorman - an American in tears.\n\nFlame on!!\n\nIs this guy serious????\n\nIf he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media\n for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts \n are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). \n Any ways one of Koresh\'s DEVOTED followers that DID I REPEAT DID survive this\n "GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE". Besides there are nine \n survivors in the burn-unit of the local hospital and was reported that David\n was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan. Besides, a majority of \n these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of,\n this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp). Also\n someone should have told David and his followers that if they can\'t the heat\n then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended)\n\nFlame off\n\n" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight, fight me!!" \n-- \n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A |\n| CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) |\n| Kent State University\t| 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu |\t\t\t |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| |\n| |\n| Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy |\n| |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n',
'From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)\nSubject: Re: This year\'s biggest and worst (opinion)...\nOrganization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:\n>\n>I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest\n>surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just\n>my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an\n>opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway....\n> \n>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:\n>-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby\n\nWell, since the Oilers didn\'t win a heck of a lot of games, I\'m not sure\nthey deserve and MVP ("can\'t win without him"). However, I\'d suggest Kelly\nBuchberger instead of Dave Manson, who has had a brutal year, his pick for\nthe All-Star game notwithstanding.\n\nAs for biggest surprise, I\'d say that Buchberger had higher expectations\nthis year due to his "breakthrough" year (for him) last year, so he didn\'t\nreally raise his game. My suggestion would be Shjon Podein, one of the\ncallups from Cape Breton during the year. He was quite far down on the\ndepth chart in the Oilers stable of prospects, but made a big impact on\nthe team. He has 12 goals in his 33 games and is only -1. Those are decent\nnumbers for a third-line player who was seemingly doomed to minor-league\noblivion. The Oilers coaching staff likens his style to John Tonelli.\nI think he\'ll be on the full-time roster next year.\n\nAs for biggest disappointment, you could name any of the players the Oilers\ndumped for lousy production this year (Nicholls, Gilchrist, Tikkanen) or\neven Shayne Corson, but Mellanby isn\'t far off.\n\n-- \nAndrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com\nHP IDACOM Telecom Division | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253\n\nDuring the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...\n',
'From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 4\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nIn Texas (Well, Corpus Christi anyway) if you pick up the phone and dial\n890 the phone company will read back the number to you.\nTry it. It might work.\n\n',
"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Minority Abuses in Greece.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 201\n\nIn article <C60B63.G2M@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:\n\n> Well, ZUMABOT claims just the opposite: That Greeks are not allowing\n>Turks to exit the country. Now, explain this: The number of Turks in\n>Thrace has steadily risen from 50,000 in 23 to 80,000, while the Greeks of\n\nDr. Goebels thought that a lie repeated enough times could finally \nbe believed. I have been observing that 'Poly' has been practicing \nGoebels' rule quite loyally. 'Poly's audience is mostly made of Greeks \nwho are not allowed to listen to Turkish news. However, in today's \ninformed world Greek propagandists can only fool themselves. For \ninstance, those who lived in 1974 will remember the TV news they \nwatched and the newspapers they read and the younger generation can \nread the American newspapers of July and August 1974 to find out what \nreally happened. \n\nThere are in Turkiye the Greek Hospital, The Greek Girls' Lycee \nAlumni Association, the Principo Islands Greek Benevolent Society, \nthe Greek Medical Foundation, the Principo Greek Orphanage Foundation, \nthe Yovakimion Greek Girls' Lycee Foundation, and the Fener Greek \nMen's Lycee Foundation. \n\nAs for Greece, the longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' \nin titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts \nhave ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, \nthe Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti \nTurkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks\nin Western Thrace. Such community associations had been \nactive until 1984. But they were first told to remove\nthe word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official\npapers and then eventually close down. This is also the \nfinal verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court.\n\nIn the city of Komotini, a former Greek Parliamentarian of Turkish\nparentage, was sentenced recently to 18 months of imprisonment\nwith no right to appeal, just for saying outloud that he was\nof Turkish descent. This duly-elected ethnic Turkish official\nwas also deprived of his political rights for a period of three \nyears. Each one of these barbaric acts seems to be none other than \na vehicle, used by the Greek governments, to cover-up their inferiority \ncomplex they display, vis-a-vis, the people of Turkiye. \n\nThe Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,' \nwhich demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference \nto 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the \nexistence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the \nessential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger \nTurkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the \nthree nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of \nthemselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized \naccording to the agreements? Poor 'Poly.'\n\nIt also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece \nand the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world.\nThe Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish\nminority. They pursue the same denial in connection with \nthe Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition,\nin 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091,\nvirtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and\nother charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting\nreligious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek \ngovernments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective\nof the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although\nthe Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in\nGreece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing\nits religious leaders. Talk about democracy.\n\nThe government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic \nconvention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an \nattitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a \nviolation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' \nGreek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection \nof historical monuments. \n\nThe government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new \nchurches in remote villages as a complementary step toward \nHellenizing the region.\n\nAnd you pondered. Sidiropoulos, the president of the Macedonian Human \nRights Committee, became the latest victim of a tactic long used by \nthe Greeks to silence critics of policies of forced assimilation \nof the Macedonian minority. A forestry official by occupation, \nSidiropoulos has been sent to 'internal exile' on the island of \nKefalonia, hundreds of kilometers away from his native Florina. \nHis employer, the Florina City Council, asked him to depart in \n24 hours. The Greek authorities are trying to punish him for his \ninvolvement in Copenhagen. He returned to Florina by his own choice \nand remains without a job. \n\nHelsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating \nthe plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their \nfindings were published in a report titled \n\n 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'\n\nThe report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the \nTurkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, \nthe Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in \nKomotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against \nthe Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the \nLausanne Convention. \n\nThe Turkish cemeteries in the village of Vafeika and in Pinarlik\nwere attacked, and tombstones were broken. The cemetery in\nKarotas was razed by bulldozers.\n\nShall I go on? Why not? The people of Turkiye are not going \nto take human rights lessons from the Greek Government. The \ndiscussion of human rights violations in Greece does not \nstop at the Greek frontier. In several following articles \nI shall dwell on and expose the Greek treatment of Turks\nin Western Thrace and the Aegean Macedonians.\n\nIt has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration \nhas an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made \nplans to supply it with the tanks and armored vehicles it \nhas to destroy in accordance with the agreement reached on \nconventional arms reductions in Europe. Meanwhile, Greek \nand Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have planned \nto take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the \ntransfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern \nCyprus, a process that will conflict with the spirit of \nthe agreement on conventional arms reduction in Europe.\n\nAn acceptable method may certainly be found when there\nis a will. But we know of various kinds of violent\nbehaviors ranging from physical attacks to the burning\nof buildings. The rugs at the Amfia village mosque were \ndragged out to the front of the building and burnt there. \nShots were fired on the mosque in the village of Aryana.\n\nNow wait, there is more.\n\n 'Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Inedited\n Documents and Evidence of English and French Officers,' Published by\n The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne, Lausanne,\n Imprimerie Petter, Giesser & Held, Caroline, 5 (1919).\n\n pages 82-83:\n\n<< 1. The train going from Denizli to Smyrna was stopped at Ephesus\n and the 90 Turkish travellers, men and women who were in it ordered\n to descend. And there in the open street, under the eyes of their\n husbands, fathers and brothers, the women without distinction of age\n were violated, and then all the travellers were massacred. Amongst\n the latter the Lieutenant Salih Effendi, a native of Tripoli, and a\n captain whose name is not known, and to whom the Hellenic authorities\n had given safe conduct, were killed with specially atrocious tortures.\n\n 2. Before the battle, the wife of the lawyer Enver Bey coming from\n her garden was maltreated by Greek soldiers, she was even stript\n of her garments and her servant Assie was violated.\n\n 3. The two tax gatherers Mustapha and Ali Effendi were killed in the\n following manner: Their arms were bound behind their backs with wire\n and their heads were battered and burst open with blows from the butt\n end of a gun.\n\n 4. During the firing of the town, eleven children, six little girls\n and five boys, fleeing from the flames, were stopped by Greek soldiers\n in the Ramazan Pacha quarter, and thrown into a burning Jewish house\n near bridge, where they were burnt alive. This fact is confirmed on oath\n by the retired commandant Hussein Hussni Effendi who saw it.\n\n 5. The clock-maker Ahmed Effendi and his son Sadi were arrested and\n dragged out of their shop. The son had his eyes put out and was then\n killed in the court of the Greek Church, but Ahmed Effendi has been\n no more heard of.\n\n 6. At the market, during the fire, two unknown people were wounded\n by bayonets, then bound together, thrown into the fire and burnt alive.\n\n The Greeks killed also many Jews. These are the names of some:\n\n Moussa Malki, shoemaker killed\n Bohor Levy, tailor killed\n Bohor Israel, cobbler killed\n Isaac Calvo, shoemaker killed\n David Aroguete killed\n Moussa Lerosse killed\n Gioia Katan killed\n Meryem Malki killed\n Soultan Gharib killed\n Isaac Sabah wounded\n Moche Fahmi wounded\n David Sabah wounded\n Moise Bensignor killed\n Sarah Bendi killed\n Jacob Jaffe wounded\n Aslan Halegna wounded....>>\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n",
'From: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu\nSubject: Wanted IDE hard drive >40\nOrganization: Marquette University - Computer Services\nLines: 2\nReply-To: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu\n\n and A VGA monitor..\ne-mail\n',
'From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <C50wJJ.J4r@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:\n>In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:\n>>\n>>What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ??\n>\n>The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking\n>the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts.\n>If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit.\n\nThere certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of \na global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are, \nhowever, others (and, they are often far more visible/vocal than the \nformer) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force. \nI would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing \n"Islamicization" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same\napproach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side\'s\npower are certainly a threat.\n\nTo Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance\nof those *outside* its own "group". If I am told that "I am not one of\nyou" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat.\nIf I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic\nworld and *actively did not* accept my "minority" status, I *would also \ncertainly* see Islam\'s domination as having been acheived, and maintained, \nthrough the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities\nwithin their ranks.\n>>\n>>Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer.\n>\n>I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions:\n\nI am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian\nnationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way.\n>\n>1)why do jews who don\'t even believe in God (as is the case with many\n>of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more\n>than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land?\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t***\nFor the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous\nfor Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT. \n\n>2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of\n>the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel?\n\n[I refer to the "most" you also refer to] \nBecause they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that \nthis area *is* to some degree part of their belief/religion/heritage/\nidentity/etc.\n\nI too strongly object to those that justify Israeli "rule" \nof those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The "occupied territories" are not\nIsrael\'s to control, to keep, or to dominate.\n>\nTim\n\n\n',
"From: reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren Reiniger)\nSubject: MLB logos: Part 3\nSummary: National League East posted \nNntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca\nOrganization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada\nLines: 10\n\n I have posted the logos of the NL East teams to alt.binaries.pictures.misc \n Hopefully, I'll finish the series up next week with the NL West.\n\n Darren\n\n-- \n Darren Reiniger reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca || arishem@ac.dal.ca\n Centre For Marine Geology, Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada\n| People who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves |\n| where it came from in the first place. |\n",
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Ozzie Smith a Defensive Liability?\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes:\n>In article <steph.735027990@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:\n>>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701\n>> The Wizard\'s 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good,\n>>but I don\'t like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few\n>>years may be a defensive liability.\n>\n>That\'s rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability...\n\nWhy? Do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until\nhe reaches his seventy-third birthday, or something? Why is it such a\nstrange concept that a forty-one-year-old Ozzie Smith might be a defensive\nliability in 1996?\n-- \nted frank | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I\'m sorry, the card says "Moops."\nthe u of c law school | \nstandard disclaimers | \n',
'From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)\nSubject: Re: Yankee fears.\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\n\nI would e-mail this to you, but my mailserver doesn\'t recognize you or\nsomething.\n\nAnyway, the worst pitcher on the Yanks. If you mean currently on the team,\nthen I have to go with Scott "I\'m a schizophrenic...No, I\'m NOT!"\nKamienicki. Sure, occasionally the guy can pitch well for 5 or 6 innings,\nbut then he starts to go insane. A sure sign that he\'s losing his stuff\n(and his mind) is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters\nand yell at himself.\n\nThe worst all-time Yanks pitcher? Gotta go with Ed "New York? I have to\npitch in [gulp] New York?" Whitson. \'Nuff said!\n\n\n--I\'m outta here like Vladimir!\n-Alan Sepinwall XVIII\n\n===========================================================================\n| "What\'s this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets |\n| too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when |\n| they get too sexually frustrated." |\n| -Val Kilmer, "Real Genius" |\n===========================================================================\n\n\n',
"From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu)\nSubject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale - Repost\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu\n\nHi,\n\nSince the original buyer found out he couldn't use this modem\nfor his Mac (I beleive I mentioned that it's an internal in my\nformer post), the modem is re-available now. This modem is\nSupraFaxModem V.32bis. If interested, please e-mail.\n\nThanks!\n\nPS: I am sorry I already lost those e-mails stated interested\n in this modem. If you all are still interested, please\n e-mail me again.\n\n\n",
'From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nSubject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)\nReply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 31\n\nIn a previous article, mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says:\n\n>In article <Apr.13.00.08.44.1993.28424@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:\n>That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God \'Father\', \n>we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being\n>like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal\n>sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is\n>usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less\n>misleading of the two possibilities.\n\nI don\'t know which passage you are refering to, but the passage I have\noften seen cited as an example of a mother image of God is Isaiah 49:15\n"Can a woman forget her sucking child / that she should have no \ncompassion / on the son of her womb? / Even these may forget, / \nyet I will not forget you." \n \nThis passage is *not* a mother image of God at all. The mother here\nis the image of the best human constancy can show, and it is \ncontrasted with the constancy of God. The mother figure here represents\nmankind, not God.\n-- \n==============================================================================\nMark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but \naa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis\n==============================================================================\n\n[Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those\nwho are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together\nas a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!\n\n--clh]\n',
"From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt)\nSubject: Re: Help with SIMMs\nKeywords: SIMM questions answers\nOrganization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.\nLines: 53\nNntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu\n\nIn article <C5Fu1u.pxx@austin.ibm.com> guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes:\n>\n>In article <10998@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr12.172751.27270@fct.unl.pt> fcm@diana.fct.unl.pt (Fernando Correia Martins (MEI 1)) writes:\n>> >Spectre (spectre@nmt.edu) wrote:\n>> >: When I look at a magazine ad that says:\n[deleted]\n>> >: what exactly do the numbers mean? (i.e. which is the MB, ns...)\n>> >\n>> >The numbers 60, 70 and 80 refers to nanoseconds. Could someone explain\n>> >*exactly* what this numbers means? (Time spent bettwen processor's request\n>> >and answer retrieved (in case of reading)? )\n>> \n>> It means the time required for the memory to refresh, i.e. a 1x9-60\n>> needs 60ns before it is ready to be read again.\n>\n>Nope! It's the time taken to read data from memory. It's the read time.\n>The memory will still have to be refreshed. The whole phase is called\n>a cycle, the cycle time being about twice the access time.\n\nI'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to\nbe refreshed on *each access cycle*. So cycle time does *not* have to be\ntwice the access time *because of refresh phase*.\n\nThe access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw\naddress strobe (RAS) to data bus driven.\n\nDRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some\nsignals are intentionally omitted);\n\nADDR --<RA><CA>-------<RA><CA>--------- RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address\nRAS ~~~~\\________/~~~~~\\________/~~~~~\t\t~=High, _=Low, -=Floating\nCAS ~~~~~~~\\_______/~~~~~~\\_______/~~~\t\t<..>=driven either H or L\nDATA ---------<VALID>--------<VALID>---\n |-------+------|\n |-+--| |\n | +----------- cycle time\n +---- access time (or RAS access time)\n\nYes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not*\nbecause of the refresh phase. The refresh can be done either as a\ntrailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle.\n\n>\n[other stuff deleted]\n>\n\nKen Nakata\n-- \n/* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in\nthis mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a\nsecond language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words\nor each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */\n",
"From: mikes@ase.co.UK (Mike Schofield-00000315)\nSubject: xterm with status line and color\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 6\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nI'm looking for a version of xterm which handles color and vt220 style status\nlines. Can anyone out there help?\n\nThanks\n\n",
'From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nNntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 54\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:\n>In article <C5Kv7p.JM3@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:\n>>\n>>In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:\n>>What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the\n>>impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps\n>>even the "correct") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around\n>>having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and\n>>petty hatreds.\n>\n>Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial\n>thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren\'t of any use\n>unless they make you do some experiments. I\'ve known a lot of scientists\n>whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won\'t admit\n>out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers.\n\nThe danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization \ncan end up being far removed from the actual day-to-day of the grunt at the\nbench. Yes, its great to be involved in a process were I can walk into the\nlab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it\n(as long as my advisor doesn\'t catch me - which is easy enough to do), but \nstamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review \ncommittees and the peer review process in general. In today\'s world that\'s \nwhat determines what science is: what gets funded. And a damn good thing to.\nFlights of fantasy just don\'t have much chance of producing anything, at \nleast not in biomedical research. The surest way for a graduate student to\nruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with \nfleshing out his/her fantasies than with having the student work on a project\nthat actually has a good chance of producing some results. MD\'s seem to \nbe particularly prone to this aberrant behavior. \n\n>(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA\n>electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that\n>he\'d seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic\n>genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out\n>binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence\n>that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for\n>Warren\'s fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in\n>so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into\n>the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were\n>much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was\n>recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created.\n>Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me,\n>Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.)\n\nI have to agree with Gary Merrill\'s response to this. I\'ve read alot of the\nAlu and middle repetitive sequence work and it\'s really very interesting, \ngood work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics. It\'s \nreally an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting \nresults that were unexpected.\n\nMike\n\n\n',
"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)\nSubject: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks?\nOrganization: Mail Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 56\n\nI have just installed a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card in\na '486DX2-66 system with 256K cache, and 16 megs of memory,\nthat gets about a 126 SI 6.0 CPU Benchmark rating. Using\nthe 1024x768x16 color driver under Windows, I am getting a\nWinbench Winmarks rating of only about 9.5 Million. Since\nI have heard that others get 15-to-16 million for this card,\nI assume that something is very wrong with my setup.\n\nWhat are some possible causes of the card slowing down like this?\n\nI ran the Qualitas ASQ diagnostic program on memory, and I noted\nthe following memory timings on my machine:\n\nASQ v1.30 by Qualitas SYSTEM ANALYSIS Mon Apr 19, 1993 11:43:49AM page: 1\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \nACCESS TIMING \n\n Hex KB KB Access Speed Ratio (%)\n Start Start Size Time us 0 25 50 75 100\n \n 00000 0 32 396 ******************\n 00800 32 32 598 *****************\n 01000 64 32 157 ********************\n 01800 96 32 180 ********************\n 02000 128 64 157 ********************\n 03000 192 32 165 ********************\n 03800 224 128 156 ********************\n 05800 352 96 169 ********************\n 07000 448 32 153 ********************\n 07800 480 32 188 ********************\n 08000 512 96 158 ********************\n 09800 608 32 171 ********************\n 0A000 640 96 1221 **************\n 0B800 736 32 1581 ************\n 0C000 768 32 312 *******************\n 0C800 800 96 154 ********************\n 0E000 896 64 3957 *\n 0F000 960 64 312 *******************\n\nNote two things on this chart:\n\n1) The video memory appears to be many orders of magnitude slower than\nsystem memory. Are there wait states being inserted here, and what would\ncause that?\n\n2) The EMS Page frame seems to be ridiculously slow, even though\nit is being mapped to the fast XMS memory in my system through\nEMM386. What's going on there?\n\nNote that my Stealth 24's video BIOS at C000-C7FF is being shadowed\nthrough the AMI BIOS. \n\nAny ideas on what might be happening here?\n\n-- \nWill Estes\t\tInternet: westes@netcom.com\n",
"Subject: .GL and .FLI specs\nFrom: arthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung)\nOrganization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA\nLines: 6\n\nCan somebody point out to me where I can find the specs for .GL and .FLI files\nfound on PC's?\n\n------------------------------\narthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung) or qed!arthur\nThe QED BBS -- (310)420-9327\n",
"From: acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu (Andy Collins)\nSubject: Voltage regulation and current limiting\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu\nSummary: Need help!!!\n\nOne not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys...\n\nFor our class project, we need to design and build a power supply\nto the following specs:\n\nVoltatge: adjustable from 1-12V\nCurrent: *limited* at 1A\n\nVoltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A\nAC ripple less than 5 mV (rms)\n\nOf course, we can't just use an adjustable voltage, current-limiting\nregulator chip ;^)\n\nOur problem is with the current limiting (i.e. we've found stuff to\ndo the rest of the parts of the circuit). What the supply must do,\nif presented with a load which would draw more than 1A, given the\nsupply voltage, is reduce the voltage so that the current will equal\none amp. Thus, if we were to short the thing with the ammeter, we\nshould read one amp. If we measure the current through a 1 ohm \nresistor at 12V, we should read one amp (and the output voltage, by\nnecessity, must be 1V.\n\nThe only basic idea we have seen for the current limiter involves\na circuit which will pull current off of the base of the output \npower transistor, and therefore reduce the output.\n\nSo, does anybody have any ideas we could work from?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nAndy Collins, KC6YEY\nacollins@uclink.berkeley.edu\n\nps: If anybody wants to flame this as a stupid project, I agree fully,\n but I still have to do it, its graded ;^)\n\n",
"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\n\nMy comments about the Feingold Diet have no relevance to your\ndaughter's purported FrostedFlakes-related seizures. I can't imagine\nwhy you included it.\n\n-- \nSteve Dyer\ndyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n",
"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 19\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> I am not a Christian, however I suspect that all flavours of \n> Christianity hold that (a) objective morality exists and (b) their\n> particular interpretation of scripture/revelation/TV is a goodly glimpse\n> of it. That they may all disagree about (b) says nothing about the truth \n> or falsehood of (a).\n\nActually, they generally claim that (b) their particular interpretation of\nscripture/revelation *is* this objective morality. That there are two\nconflicting versions of this objective morality does tell us something about\n(a). It tells us at least one fake objective morality exists.\n\nThe next logical step is to deduce that any given religion's objective\nmorality could be the fake one. So caveat emptor.\n\n\nmathew\n-- \nAtheism: Anti-virus software for the mind.\n",
'Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: free moral agency\nDistribution: na\n <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>\nLines: 119\n\nIn article <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill\nConner) says:\n>\n>dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:\n>\n>: Now, what I am interested in is the original notion you were discussing\n>: on moral free agency. That is, how can a god punish a person for\n>: not believing in him when that person is only following his or her\n>: nature and it is not possible for that person to deny what his or\n>: her reason tells him or her, which is that there is no god?\n>\n>I think you\'re letting atheist mythology confuse you on the issue of\n\n(WEBSTER: myth: "a traditional or legendary story...\n ...a belief...whose truth is accepted uncritically.")\n\nHow does that qualify?\nIndeed, it\'s almost oxymoronic...a rather amusing instance.\nI\'ve found that most atheists hold almost no atheist-views as\n"accepted uncritically," especially the few that are legend.\nMany are trying to explain basic truths, as myths do, but\nthey don\'t meet the other criterions.\nAlso...\n\n>Divine justice. According to the most fundamental doctrines of\n>Christianity, When the first man sinned, he was at that time the\n\nYou accuse him of referencing mythology, then you procede to\nlaunch your own xtian mythology. (This time meeting all the\nrequirements of myth.)\n\n>salvation. The idea of punishment is based on the proposition that\n>everyone knows (instinctively?) that God exists, is their creator and\n\nAh, but not everyone "knows" that god exists. So you have\na fallacy.\n\n>There\'s nothing terribly difficult in all this and is well known to\n>any reasonably Biblically literate Christian. The only controversy is\n\nAnd that makes it true? Holding with the Bible rules out controversy?\nRead the FAQ. If you\'ve read it, you missed something, so re-read.\n(Not a bad suggestion for anyone...I re-read it just before this.)\n\n>with those who pretend not to know what is being said and what it\n>means. When atheists claim that they do -not- know if God exists and\n>don\'t know what He wants, they contradict the Bible which clearly says\n>that -everyone- knows. The authority of the Bible is its claim to be\n\n...should I repeat what I wrote above for the sake of getting\nit across? You may trust the Bible, but your trusting it doesn\'t\nmake it any more credible to me.\n\nIf the Bible says that everyone knows, that\'s clearly reason\nto doubt the Bible, because not everyone "knows" your alleged\ngod\'s alleged existance.\n\n>refuted while the species-wide condemnation is justified. Those that\n>claim that there is no evidence for the existence of God or that His will is\n>unknown, must deliberately ignore the Bible; the ignorance itself is\n>no excuse.\n\n1) No, they don\'t have to ignore the Bible. The Bible is far\nfrom universally accepted. The Bible is NOT a proof of god;\nit is only a proof that some people have thought that there\nwas a god. (Or does it prove even that? They might have been\nwriting it as series of fiction short-stories. As in the\ncase of Dionetics.) Assuming the writers believed it, the\nonly thing it could possibly prove is that they believed it.\nAnd that\'s ignoring the problem of whether or not all the\ninterpretations and Biblical-philosophers were correct.\n\n2) There are people who have truly never heard of the Bible.\n\n3) Again, read the FAQ.\n\n>freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to\n>ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known\n>in both cases. That an atheist can\'t accept the evidence means only\n\nBzzt...wrong answer!\nGravity is directly THERE. It doesn\'t stop exerting a direct and\nrationally undeniable influence if you ignore it. God, on the\nother hand, doesn\'t generally show up in the supermarket, except\non the tabloids. God doesn\'t exert a rationally undeniable influence.\nGravity is obvious; gods aren\'t.\n\n>Secondly, human reason is very comforatble with the concept of God, so\n>much so that it is, in itself, intrinsic to our nature. Human reason\n>always comes back to the question of God, in every generation and in\n\nNo, human reason hasn\'t always come back to the existance of\n"God"; it has usually come back to the existance of "god".\nIn other words, it doesn\'t generally come back to the xtian\ngod, it comes back to whether there is any god. And, in much\nof oriental philosophic history, it generally doesn\'t pop up as\nthe idea of a god so much as the question of what natural forces\nare and which ones are out there. From a world-wide view,\nhuman nature just makes us wonder how the universe came to\nbe and/or what force(s) are currently in control. A natural\ntendancy to believe in "God" only exists in religious wishful\nthinking.\n\n>I said all this to make the point that Christianity is eminently\n>reasonable, that Divine justice is just and human nature is much\n>different than what atheists think it is. Whether you agree or not\n\nXtianity is no more reasonable than most other religions, and\nit\'s reasonableness certainly doesn\'t merit eminence.\nDivine justice...well, it only seems just to those who already\nbelieve in the divinity.\nFirst, not all atheists believe the same things about human\nnature. Second, whether most atheists are correct or not,\nYOU certainly are not correct on human nature. You are, at\nthe least, basing your views on a completely eurocentric\napproach. Try looking at the outside world as well when\nyou attempt to sum up all of humanity.\n\nAndrew\n',
'From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221)\nSubject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement\nOrganization: capriccioso\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 35\n\nI guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of\ncourse I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is\nnot a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes\nevery significant gateway or \'bone is captured for the\ncolligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here).\n\nMaybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted \nposts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private\nkey. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private\nkey corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out\nby a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants,\nand so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use\nof the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for\nnon-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key\nbut otherwises not encrypted.\n\nStarting a alt.encrypted newsgroup rather than just maintaining\nmailing lists is better for several reasons. First, it would be\neasier to archive for people who might join a group "late" and\nwho might like to easily read earlier posts; second, traffic analysis\nto know exactly to whom an affinity message is directed would be foiled;\nthree, a newsgroup is much more public and would serve to publicize\navailable privacy measures on the internet.\n\nAnd it would be fun to accumulate a secret keyring full of such\nkeys -- it beats giving out t-shirts as a door prize.\n\nWe could send a copy of alt.encrypted directly to Judge William\nSessions or Admiral Studeman to save them the time of having it\ncollected for them.\n\n\n-- \ngrady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F\n\n',
"From: turmoil@halcyon.com (Tim Crowley)\nSubject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1\nOrganization: Northwest Nexus Inc.\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com\n\ncathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:\n\n>Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics\n>is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks.\n\n>\tCathy\n>-- \n>Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu\n\nWHY??????????\n\n\n\n",
'From: stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy)\nSubject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey\nArticle-I.D.: dev-null.1praf3INNj2s\nOrganization: Penn State, Null Device Department\nLines: 35\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dev-null.phys.psu.edu\n\nIn article <91548@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes:\n>>>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1\n>>>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons???\n>>>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your\n>>>> jokes:-)!\n>>> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I\'m sure you\'ll see the humour...\n>>If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the\n>>origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding.\n>\n>\tWhat about his rectum?\n\nIt\'s bad jokes like that which draws crohns, I mean groans from the crowd...\nDon\'t bother looking it up in the appendix, it\'s useless anyway.\n \nJust one more word of advice...\n\nIf you go to a Miami game, stay away from any foods made with "natural casings"\n\n:)\n--\n\n __-----__ _______________________\n / _______ \\ / \\\n |_// \\/ \\ \\_| / Hockey! Hockey! Hockey! \\\n /__|O||O|__U\\ \\ Joy! Joy! Joy! /\n |/_ \\_/\\_/ _U | \\_______________________/\n | | (____) | || // Stimpson J Kat\n \\/\\___/\\__/ // // stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu\n (_/ _5_ ~~~| // nagy@physci.psu.edu \n | \\*/ |\\/ nagy@cs.psu.edu\n \\___v_____/_/ nagy@crayola.cs.psu.edu\n \\____/---// nagy@love-shack.com\n __|| _----- and oh yeah... \n (____(____) GGN100@psuvm.[psu.edu,bitnet] \n ~~~~ ~~~~\n',
"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()?\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 37\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes:\n\n|> Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation\n|> of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've\n|> finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView.\n|> I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage()\n|> is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the\n|> Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory\n|> pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that:\n|> (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or\n|> (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what\n\nThe protocol has to move the whole image from process memory to server\nmemory, this is the hog. The conversions in the XPutImage() are\nfast.\n\n|> is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to\n|> a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is\n|> running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with\n\nYes, by utilizing the MIT-SHM extension, that provides an XPutImage\nderivate that uses shared memory. Fine fast.\n\n|> XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)?\n|> \n\nNo. You can still XPutImage all of the frames onto pixmaps (thus moving\nthem to server memory) and then replay them fastest using XCopyArea()\nBUT be aware, this is a major server memory bummer !\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o | \\\\\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |\n| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |\n| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n",
'From: begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (James Begole)\nSubject: Wincmd - trouble with string variables\nOrganization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 19\n\nHas anyone else been playing with that wincmd utility from PC Magazine?\nIf so, I am having trouble concatenating string variables together and\nneed your help. For example:\ntemp = "path"\ntemp2 = "file.ext"\nfullpath = temp+"/"\nsay fullpath\t\t\t// output = \'th/\'\nfullpath = fullpath+temp2\nsay fullpath\t\t\t// output = \'h/file.ext\'\n\nSo, it seems to be dropping the first few characters with each\nconcatenations. Is it that I am out of memory -- I only have maybe 20\nvariables total -- the article didn\'t mention memory limits. \n\nemail me if you have an idea or would like to see the actual source and\noutput. Thanks for your help.\n\t\t-Bo\n-- \n\t--James "Bo" Begole\t\tbegolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu\n',
"From: mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark G. Salyzyn)\nSubject: Re: Do it yourself front-end alignment possible?\nArticle-I.D.: ve6mgs.1993Apr6.200818.10500\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: ADEC Systems Inc.\nLines: 44\n\ndavidd@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . De Leon) writes:\n\n>In article <113364@bu.edu> selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:\n>>I've got an 86 Plymouth Colt that I'd like to do a front-end alignment\n>>on. Is it possible to do without all of the fancy schmancy gadgets the\n>>pros have? How?\n>>-Steve\n>NO.NO.NO.NO.\n>If you do so, you are putting the lives of others on the road at consider-\n>able risk. Why do you think mechanics are ASE certified?? Anyway you put\n>it, you need those *fancy scmancy* gadgets...\n\nAwww, right, you want all the home mechanics lined up against a wall and\nshot eh?\n\nBull Pucky you chicken! Read the service manual and get your head out of the\nsand! Certainly there are tools for the job that are cheaper than an alignment\nrack, that do the job as competently (albeit, not as swiftly), if not\nmore accurate, due to the natural pride an owner/mechanic places on his work.\nYou can do an `acceptable' job of aligning a car using simple tools and\nsome imaginative work that would *never* have the effect of endangering\nanyones life. The worst that happens is that your tires wear oddly (well,\nyou could have the wheels aiming TOTALLY pigeon toed and not be able\nto steer the car, raise your hands those that think their vision is\nso poor that they would screw up this badly!)\n\nI bet you are one of those people that feels that honing a cylinder wall\nwith sand paper will kill millions of people. It aint magic. Go take the\ncertification course, and look at the people that have never learned to add\nin their whole life that are taking the certification!\n\nBTW, I am disgusted at the Colt (and some of the other Chrysler offerings)\nbecause they go out of alignment if you sneaze at them. My '84 Chrysler\nLaser (Similar to the Daytona, a reskinned Colt) needed a realignment every\n3 months ... Bolt a good grade 12' 2x4 to each wheel, using a carefully welded\nspacer jig. Measure toe in, adjust to manufacturer specs. Camber a bit more\ndifficult to adjust and measure ... I used a micrometer to measure the\nspace between the rim and a funky bent up pipe that could be placed on\nupper and lower portions of the rim on the inside of wheel (hard to explain).\nThis same tool could be used instead of the 2x4s. I had made these tools up\n*right* after the last alignment done professionally so I had a reference that\nthe original poster might not ...\n\nCiao -- Mark\n",
'From: m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!)\nSubject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nNntp-Posting-Host: pavo1.concordia.ca\nOrganization: Concordia University\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <0096B0F0.C5DE05A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes...\n>In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:\n>>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make\n>>room for Harkey?\n>>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL?\n>>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info!\n>>/===\n>>Ken \n>>Cal Poly, Pomona\n>>\n> \n>Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that.\n> \n>rick\n\nWetteland comes off the DL on April 23rd, and will be evaluated on the 24th.\nHe is throwing well, and without pain on the side.\n\nDeShields is not on the DL. He suffered from the chicken pox and lost\n(this is the official total) 12 pounds. He will be back, hopefully,\nnext week.\n\nWalker will be back this tonight or tomorrow...\n\n\t\tCorelMARK! from Montreal.\n\n',
"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)\nSubject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 12\n\n\nI don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience\nMy brother's has been trouble free. Not one single repair, only \nregular maintainance. The only work he had done on it was a result\nof his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn \non a busy intersection, and was rear-ended. He has a 1989 Plymouth\nSundance. I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if\nyou can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car\ncalled the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where.\nGood luck with your desiscion.\n\n\n",
'From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything?\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nJustin Kibell (jck@catt.citri.edu.au) wrote:\n: What has this got to do with comp.windows.x?\n: \n\nI agree that this is a side track, but it is funny that I skip so many\nother articles (threads) but I couldn\'t resist reading this one.\n\nMy beliefs, opinions, and expressions are strictly my own and do not\nrepresent or reflect any official or unofficial policies or attitudes\nof any other person or organization....\n \nbut. I have heard that Ford Motor Company has (had) a recruiting bias\ntoward engineers and away from computer science graduates. The reasoning\nis supposedly to better meet long range personnel requirements. This is\nevidenced by the large number of CS people who are employed via contracts\nand are not brought on board except in special circumstances. This is\na generalization which obviously doesn\'t always hold true, but there are\nstatistics. Furthermore, most "software engineering" at Ford gets done\nby electrical engineers. I know of 2 univerities that have merged the\ncomputer science department and the electrical engineering so that you\ncan get a computer degree which qualifies you for much more than programming.\n\nBut since my beliefs and opinions are merely figments of my distorted\nimagination I suppose I should keep it to myself.\n\n\n\n',
'From: mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter)\nSubject: Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?\nOrganization: Brunel University, West London, UK\nLines: 26\n\n<1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n\n>So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but so was Wilbur and\n>Orville Wright, and quite a few others.. Sorry if I do not have the big degrees\n>and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something\n>that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without\n>dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. \n\nOh, and us with the big degrees don\'t got imagination, huh?\n\nThe alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most\npernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous\noffer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you.\n\nYou, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by\nfailing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here)\nwhich would give your imagination wings.\n\nJust to show this isn\'t a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of \nthe Body Snatchers_:\n\n"Become one of us; it\'s not so bad, you know"\n-- \n \',\' \' \',\',\' | | \',\' \' \',\',\'\n \', ,\',\' | Del Cotter mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk | \', ,\',\' \n \',\' | | \',\' \n',
'From: psgwe01@sdc.boeing.com (Gerald Edgar)\nSubject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report\nKeywords: 3rd grade science report\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Boeing Computer Services (ESP), Seattle, WA\nLines: 15\nNntp-Posting-Host: crystal\n\nIn making batteries you could use copper and zinc in an acid electrolyte. \nCopper=copper wire (pennies are now mostly zinc if I recall correctly)\nzinc= zinc strip (Hardware stores arround here (Seattle) sell this to prevent\n moss buildup on the roof. An alternative would be to use a galvanized\n (zinc coated) nail\nelectrolyte= lemon juice -> Citric acid is the active ingrediant(sp).\n \nVolta (late 18th century scientist) used a stack for his batteries-\ncopper disk, paper disk soaked in acid, zinc disk, copper disk, paper ....\nthey were advanced technology for the time. \n \nGerald Edgar\ngwe3409@atc.boeing.com\n"The opinions expressed in this communication may not reflect those of my\nemployer"\n',
'From: tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans)\nSubject: Re: McRae is (Re: Torre: The worst manager?)\nReply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com\nOrganization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory\nX-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19\nLines: 15\n\nscott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:\n\n\n>KC(?) news was doing a report on that. They said that McRae is\n>really a batting coach and not a manager. But for some reason\n>he took the job. Whatever the reason, the Royals need a new\n>manager now...while it is too late.\n>--\n\nAnd have Jesse Jackson picket the stadium?\n-- \nTim Evans | E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co.\ntkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com | Experimental Station\n(302) 695-9353/7395 | P.O. Box 80357\nEVANSTK AT A1 AT ESVAX | Wilmington, Delaware 19880-0357\n',
'From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil\nSubject: Re: Real Time Graphics??\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <C4vA9r.KK7@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil>, stockel@oahu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Jim Stockel) writes:\n> Hi,\n> \n> I will be writing a data acquisition program to collect data from a\n> variety of sources including RS232, and external A/D\'s, and I would\n> like to be able to display the data in near realtime. I\'ve done this\n> type of thing on PC\'s and other machines, but I am unaware of any graphics\n> package that could help me with this on a UNIX machine.\n> \n> .......\n> \n> Does anyone have any ideas on commercial or "free" packages that might\n> suit my needs? I would really appreciate any input. I\'m sure this has\n> been done many times before.\n> \n\n For a commerical package try WAVE from Precision Visuals\n 505-530-6563\n\n For a free package try KHOROS from University of New Mexico\n 508-277-6563\n ftp from\n ptrg.eece.unm.edu\n\n Login in anonyomus or ftp with a valid email address as the password\n cd /pub/khoros/release\n\n That will get you to the right place.\n\n David\n',
'From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.33.1993.28409@athos.rutgers.edu> kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy\'s Sweetie) writes:\n>Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of\n>Moody Bible Institute:\n>\n>> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed\n>> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic\n>> importance of those absolutes."\n>\n>There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on\n>exactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.\n>\n> <lots of stuff deleted>\n>\n>This is where the "arrogance of Christians" arises: many people believe\n>that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the\n>doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are\n>infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.\n>\n>Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led\n>you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.\n\nI agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a \npersonal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have \nwith it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for\nothers who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just \nChristian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems\nwithin Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters\nof personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by\nobjective means. \n\nChoosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal \nsovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these \nmatters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them \nbut are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this\nthat God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus \nanyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing\nthe wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the\nhonest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.\nEven a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is\nuniversalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud\nnotion that one\'s relationship with God is superior to other\'s, that\nleads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-)\n\n\n>Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\n>"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."\n> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n\ncomments, criticism welcome...\n-Ken\nalvin@ucsu.colorado.edu\n\n[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own\nability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some\nareas of practice. But I\'d like to see more clarification about what\nyou mean when you reject the idea of saying "their specific beliefs\nare not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on\nothers." If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that\nthe belief is something about God, history, etc. Of course something\nof the form "I believe that it\'s best for me not to xxx" could be true\nfor some people and not others. I have suggested in the past that God\nmay be less concerned about doctrinal agreement than many people are.\nBut that doesn\'t mean I doubt that there is a difference between\ntrue and false, nor that I think there is no benefit in finding out\nwhat is true. --clh]\n',
'From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson)\nSubject: Sphere from 4 points?\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nBoy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ:\n\nGiven 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is,\ncenter and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it\nfor a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a \nstraightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some\ngeometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss?\nPlease have mercy on me and provide the solution? \n\nThanks,\nEd\n\n\n-- \nEd Bolson\nUniversity of Washington Cardiovascular Research (206)543-4535\nbolson@u.washington.edu (preferred)\nbolson@max.bitnet bolson@milton.u.washington.edu (if you must)\n',
'From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)\nSubject: Re: Fractals? what good are they?\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <7155@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes:\n> One thing: a small change in initial conditions can cause a huge\n> change in final conditions. There are certain things about the way\n> the plate tektoniks and volcanic activity effect a land scape that\n> is, while not entirely random, unpredictable. This is also true with\n> fractals, so one could also conclude that you could model this\n> fractally. \n\nYeah, and it\'s also true most long complicated sequences of events,\ncalculations, or big computer programs in general. I don\'t argue\nthat you can get similar and maybe useful results from fractals, I\njust question whether you >should<.\n\nThe fractal fiends seem to be saying that any part of a system that we\ncan\'t model should be replaced with a random number generator. That\nhas been useful, for instance, in making data more palatable to human\nperception or for torture testing the rest of the system, but I don\'t\nthink it has much to do with fractals, and I certainly would rather\nthat the model be improved in a more explicable manner.\n\nI guess I just haven\'t seen all these earth-shaking fractal models\nthat explain and correlate to the universe as it actually exists. I\nreally hope I do, but I\'m not holding my self-similar breath.\n\n> There is one other thing that fractals are good for: fractal\n> image compression.\n\nUh huh. I\'ll believe it when I see it. I\'ve been chasing fractal\ncompression for a few years, and I still don\'t believe in it. If it\'s so\ngreat, how come we don\'t see it competing with JPEG? \'Cause it can\'t,\nI\'ll wager.\n\nActually, I have wagered, I quit trying to make fractal compression\nwork- and I was trying- because I don\'t think it\'s a reasonable\nalternative to other techniques. It is neat, though. :-)\n\nI\'ll reiterate my disbelief that everything is fractal. That\'s why I\ndon\'t think fractal compression as it is widely explained is\npractical. I know Barnsley and Sloan have some tricks up their\nsleeves that make their demos work, but I don\'t see anyone using it in a\nreal product. It\'s been six years since Iterated Systems was formed,\nright?\n\n\t"There are always going to be questions until there\'s a product\n\tout there," Sloan replies. The company plans to ship its first\n\tencoding devices in the summer, he says. In March, Iterated\n\tSystems will have the other half of the system: the decoders.\n\n\t\t- Scientific American, March 1990, page 77\n\nAllen B (Don\'t even get me started :-) )\n',
"From: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Toby Freeman,TJF,G151,3344813,OCT95, )\nSubject: Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL\nNntp-Posting-Host: speedwell\nReply-To: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk\nOrganization: Dept. of Computing Science, Glasgow University, Glasgow.\nLines: 38\n\n>Does anyone know of software that will allow\n>you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files\n>containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the\n>only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises.\n>\n>Jeff Lyall\n\nI used this combination for a while - A QCR-Z recorder,\nI think - and as far as I remember Corel can EXPORT in\nSCODAL (.scd) format. Just select 'EXPORT' on the main\nfile menu. This may not be implemented in earlier versions,\nof course, in which case you're on your own!!!\n\nAlso, I seem to think that the s/w for the QCR-Z (at the time)\ndid strange (and very undesirable) things if ANY part of the\npic was outside the screen area on Corel. I once spent an\nafternoon painfully discovering that ONE pixel had somehow\nstrayed off-screen, causing my whole slide to be blank!!!\n\nThe QCR-Z also couldn't handle grad-fill over grad-fill -\nso if you use a graduated colour background, if you then\ngrad-fill an object on top of this, the fill appears on the\nfinal slide as a circle (I think) and TOTALLY IGNORES the\nshape of the object being filled!!!\n\nOf course, if the recorder isn't a QCR, you can ignore all\nthis and feel suitably :-)\n\nCheers, Toby.\n____________________________________._.____._.__________._.__________._.______\n____________________________________! \\__/ !__________!_!__________! !______\n___! !___! . \\/ . !___.__.___._.___.___._.! !__.___\n___! Toby Freeman !___! !\\ /! !__/ __ \\__! !__/ .__!_!. .__!___\n___! Glasgow University !___! !_\\/_! !_! !__! !_! !_! <__.___! !______\n___! freemant@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs !___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !__\\___ \\__! !______\n___!____________________________!___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !_.____> !_! !__.___\n____________________________________!_!____!_!__\\____/__!_!_!_____/___\\___!___\n\n",
'From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?\nReply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 75\n\nIn article <Apr.17.01.10.58.1993.2246@geneva.rutgers.edu> mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes:\n>bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>>same. Hey we can\'t do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives \n>>over to him. That\'s tuff and most people don\'t want to do it, to be a \n>\t\t\t\t^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But \n>\n>\tSo you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist?\n[good points on buddhism, etc. deleted]\n\njust because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to\nfollow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and\ndifficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are\nwilling to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves\nspiritually in the way you are talking about. \n\n[more deleted]\n>And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out ("woman was created\n>after man, to be his helper" etc).\n\ndo you think this is what christianity is all about? not all\nchristians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds\nabove like you are supporting a policy of "to each his own" -- here is\nanother example of that. if it helps someone\'s faith to take every\nword of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too.\n\n>>time. We don\'t rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. \n>>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in \n>>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this \n>>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be \n>\n>\tWhen ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and\n>other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an\n>1-800 number to turn in your pledges.\n>God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes.\n\nplease don\'t judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one\ncan truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?).\n\ni think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very\ntrue -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that?\n\n>>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for \n>>ourselves. \t \n\n>\tParting Question:\n>\t\tWould you have become a Christian if you had not\n>been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about\n>any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim\n>you are brain washed.\n\ni was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised\natheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness\npresent in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness\nhe found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with.\nthus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the\ndecision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized\nto me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not\nintruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that\nis his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!)\none of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her\nbeliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is\njewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish\nreligion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite\nauthors). i really do not think you can make that kind of\ngeneralization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE--\ntheir faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their\nadult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk\nabout their being brainwashed.\n\nvera\n"if you choose not to decide,\nyou still have made a choice!"\n\t- rush, "freewill"\n',
'From: drevik@utkvx.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve)\nSubject: Re: Clinton\'s immunization program\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nOrganization: University of Tennessee Computing Center\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes...\n>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:\n>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C\n>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling\n>>>his so called stimulus package.\n>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free\n>>>immunizations for poor kids.\n>>\n>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to\n>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents\n>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.\n\nI don\'t know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide.\nPerhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to \ndo so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations\ncost $$$.\n\nSorry to shatter your stereotypes.\n\n\n> \n> In case you haven\'t noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health\n> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give \n> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services\n> delivered to their doorsteps.\n> \n> \n>-- \n>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer\'s.\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel)\nSubject: Re: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard\nKeywords: 486, motherboard\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <id.XNFZ.VJ8@nmti.com> korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes:\n>In article <C5ovwv.LMo@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:\n>>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with\n>>HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?\n>>Any information would be helpful!\n>>thanks\n>>Brian J Schaufenbuel\n>\n>\n>I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset\n>is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where \'real\' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The\n>HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this\n>reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look-\n>ing to replace it for exactly this reason.\n>\n>Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard\n>manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA\n>DMA.\n>\n>Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using\n>mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a\n>EISA SCSI host adapter.\n>\n>-- \n>Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com)\n>Network Management Technology Incorporated\n>Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357\n\n\nYou are correct! The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says\nthat they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks...\n-- \n_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________\n| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ "There is no art which one government sooner learns ]\n| Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ]\n| Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]." - Adam Smith ]\n',
'From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Re: university violating separation of church/state?\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\nLines: 29\n\ndmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes:\n> Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about\n> it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts\n> on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom\n> stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort\n> of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. It poses a\n> question about \'spirituality\' each issue, and solicits responses to be \n> included in the next \'issue.\' It\'s all pretty vague. I assume it\'s put out\n> by a Christian, but they\'re very careful not to mention Jesus or the bible.\n> I\'ve heard someone defend it, saying "Well it doesn\'t support any one religion.\n> " So what??? This is a STATE university, and as a strong supporter of the\n> separation of church and state, I was enraged.\n> \n> What can I do about this?\n\nIt sounds to me like it\'s just SCREAMING OUT for parody. Give a copy to your\nfriendly neighbourhood SubGenius preacher; with luck, he\'ll run it through the\nmental mincer and hand you back an outrageously offensive and gut-bustingly\nfunny parody you can paste over the originals.\n\nI can see it now:\n\n The Stool Scroll\n Thoughts on Religion, Spirituality, and Matters of the Colon\n\n (You can use this text to wipe)\n\n\nmathew\n',
"From: brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Brian Donnell)\nSubject: FOR SALE: '91 Celica Repair Manuals\nNntp-Posting-Host: hotspare.arc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division\nLines: 12\n\nTwo-volume soft-cover repair manuals\nfor all models of '91 Toyota Celicas.\n(Probably good for '92 models as well.)\nLike new condition.\nThese are the manuals used by the\nToyota dealers' mechanics - they normally\ncost over $80 new.\n\n$50 OBO\n\nBrian Donnell\nbrian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\n",
'From: stoney@oyster.smcm.edu (Stanley Toney)\nSubject: Re: Am I going to Hell?\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <Apr.23.02.55.31.1993.3123@geneva.rutgers.edu> \ntbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:\n> I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but \n> definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion\n> about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the\n> effect of \'you will all go to hell\') has me interested in the consensus \n> as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew,\n> buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not\n> believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be \n> lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only\n> god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.\n excellent question timothy. i hpoe the answers you get will be satisfactory \nas we can not understand the mind of god. but to attempt to answer you \nclearly. GOD of the Bible has given us humans relativly little about how he \nintends to judge mankind. the first test is those who have beleived that Jesus \nChrist is the Son of GOD and that his death and resurrection was sufficent to \nserve justice for all the acts we commit that are wrong in the eyes of god, \nthe bible calls this sin. for those who die before the end of the world/have \nalready died it is more complicated to explain without lapsing in to cliche.\n God must judge people on the baasis of their works in this world. however \nthere is no plus and minus system for GOD. he has declared that he can not \ntolerate spiritual imperfection, thus he can only based your worthiness to \nlive with him on the wrong in your life. \n Good people, yes even Christians are going to constantly sin before GOD, The \nChristian hoever thanks GOD that Christ has given his life for his sin\'s \npenalty. the proscribed punishment for sin is death, just as the proscribed \npunishment for robbery is time in jail. God then cannot ask for anything but \npunishement for those sins. He does not want to condem. the Bible says in John \n3:17, that God did not send his son in to the word to condem it but that \nthrough him it might be saved." when i realize that i have sinned, and i do \nwith painful regularity, i must approach GOD and ask him to not hold thew sin \nagainst me, i have that right and privlige only because of Christ. as for Jews \nthey are promised that they must believe on the Messiah who would come, and \ndis come in Jesus of Nazereth. Muslims, i fear have been given a lie from the \nfater of lies, Satan. They need Christ as do us all.\n for those who don\'t have that right, in the view of the bible they stand \nolone in their defense. are you going to hell? i can not answer that for you. \ni can only say that perhaps it is eaiser to ask and answer how can i not go to \nHell? that step is much more rewarding.\n\nstan toney stoney@oyster.smcm.edu\nmy opinions are my own, you may borrow them\n\np.s. stay in touch and keep asking questions not just to us but to God as \nwell, he listens too.\n',
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'From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")\nSubject: Re: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade!\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 5\n\nSell it for $10, then. I can\'t really offer more than $8 at\nthis point.\n\nThanks,\nJon\n',
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 821\n\n Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007\n Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n\n +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n | |\n | They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. |\n | They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. |\n | They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don\'t |\n | remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had |\n | the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my |\n | clothes, all at the same time, I don\'t even know what I said. The |\n | atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among |\n | themselves who would go first. |\n | |\n +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n\nDEPOSITION OF KARINE (KARINA) GRIGOREVNA M. [1]\n\nBorn 1964\nSecretary-Typist\nAzsantekmontazh Trust\nSumgait Construction and Installation Administration\nSecretary of the SMU Komsomol Organization\n\nResident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15\nMicrodistrict No. 3\nSumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nOn the 27th my sister Marina and I went to the movies the seven o\'clock show,\nat the theater that is across from the City Party Committee, about 50 yards \naway. The SK theater. They were showing an Argentinian film, "The Abyss." \nBefore the film we noticed about 60 to 70 people standing near the podium at \nthe City Party Committee, but they were silent, there\'s no conversation \nwhatsoever, and we couldn\'t figure out what was going on. That is, we knew it \nwas about Karabagh, but what it was exactly, what they were talking about, if \nsomeone gave a speech or not, we didn\'t know. We bought our tickets. There \nwere 30 or 40 people in the theater. This was a very small number for that \nlarge movie theater. The film started. About 30 minutes later they stopped the\nfilm. A crowd burst in. About 60 people. They came up onto the stage. Well \nmostly they were young people, from 16 to 23 years old. They demanded that an \nArmenian woman come up onto the stage. They used foul language and said that \nthey were going to show what Azerbaijanis were capable of, what they could do \nto Armenian girls. I thought that\'s what they meant because they had demanded \na girl specifically. Marina and I were sitting together. I told her to move \nover, there were some Russian girls sitting nearby. So that if someone \nrecognized me or if something happened, they would take me, and not Marina. \nIt got quiet, 2 or 3 girls jumped up to run out, but the door was closed--it\'s\nonly opened at the end of the show--and they returned to their seats. \nEveryone in the theater was looking at one another, Russians, Azerbaijanis, \npeople of various nationalities. But no one reacted at all, no one in the \nauditorium made a sound. They were silent, looking at one another, and \ngradually started to leave. Some guy, a really fat one, says, "OK, we\'ve \nscared them enough, let\'s leave." They leave slowly, pompously. It seemed to \nme that those people were not themselves. Either they had smoked a bunch of \n"anasha", or had taken something else, because they all looked beastly, like \nthey were ready to tear anyone apart. Then it was all over, as though nothing \nhad happened at all. The film started up again, it was one of those cheerful \nfilms which should have only brought pleasure, made you happy to be alive. We \ncould barely sit to the end. So it had started at seven it was over by nine, \nand it was dark . . .\n\nMarina and I were walking home, Lenin Street, that\'s the center of town. Lenin\nStreet was packed, just packed with young people. They were shouting, \nsomething about Karabagh and something about Armenians. We weren\'t especially \nlistening, because the way we were feeling we didn\'t know if we were going to \nmake it home or not, and just what had happened anyway? Public transportation \nwasn\'t running. Incidentally, when we came out of the theater we saw police, \npolicemen standing there. The director of the movie theater was looking at the\ndoors, because when they were leaving they had broken the glass, the doors \nthere are basically all glass. Everything was broken. He stood there grief-\nstricken, but looking as though nothing really big had happened, like some \nnaughty boys had just broken them quite by accident, with a slingshot. Well, \nsince he looked more or less calm I decided that, nothing all that super \nserious had happened. We went out very slowly; we wanted to catch a bus, we \nlive literally one stop away. We didn\'t want to go on foot, not because it was\ndark, but because something might happen. We flagged down a cab, but the \ndriver didn\'t want to take us. We told him we live near the bus station, and \nhe said he\'d take us to the bus station and not a yard farther. I said, well, \nOK . . .\n\nSo we got into the cab and managed to get there. Something incredible was \nhappening at the bus station. There was a traffic jam. Public transportation \nwas at a standstill and everyone was shouting "Ka-ra-bagh," they\'re not going \nto give up Karabagh. I go home and tell my family what\'s going on, and there\'s\nimmediate panic in the house. Mamma says, what should we do? Like the end had \ncome, they were going to come, kill us, that\'s it . . . Somehow we managed to \ncheer ourselves up: Nothing that bad could happen. Where are we living anyway,\njust what kind of social order do we have? Somehow we manage to calm Mamma \ndown. And we went to bed. But no one could sleep. Everyone made as though \nnothing had happened.\n\nThat was on Saturday. In short, the day went by. We didn\'t go anywhere and \ndidn\'t call our relatives. No one did anything. Because . . . life goes on.\nThat day I realized something was approaching, but what exactly, I couldn\'t\nguess.\n\nOn the 28th everything was like it was supposed to be, we lived like we always\nhad. There were five of us at home: Mamma, Papa and us, three sisters: Lyuda, \nMarina, and I. My sister Lyuda was in Yerevan at the time. We sat at home and \nno one went out. Later we learned that a demonstration had started that \nmorning. It all started . . . They were smashing up stores. We were sitting at\nhome and didn\'t know anything about it. Then a girlfriend of mine, Lyuda \nZimogliad, came by at around three o\'clock I think. We worked together, we did\nour apprenticeships together, she\'s a Russian girl. She said that something\nawful was happening in town. I asked, "Don\'t they want Armenians? Well what \nare they after, if they\'re already in that state?" She says, no, nothing like \nthat, it\'s just a demonstration, but it\'s awful to watch it. Somehow, it feels\nlike a war has broken out. Public transportation has been stopped . . . The \ncabs, the buses, well it\'s just a nightmare.\n\nThen Papa decides to go to the drugstore, my mother was having allergy \nproblems at the time . . . He left the house and our neighbor, Aunt Vera,\nasked him, "Where are you going? Stop! There are such terrible things going\non in the courtyard; aren\'t you afraid to go out?" Papa didn\'t know what she\nwas talking about. She simply pushed him back into the entryway. He came home \nand told Mamma. Mamma said, "Well, if Aunt Vera was talking like that it means\nthat something is really going on." But we didn\'t go see her, she\'s a Russian,\nshe lives across from us. I had to see my friend out. Around five o\'clock I \ntell Lyuda, "Ok, look, it\'s time for you to go, it\'s late already, I\'ll see \nyou out." Mamma says, "You don\'t need to go, it\'s too late already, you can \nsee what the situation in town is." So we decided to stay home. Dinner was \nready. Mamma says, "Let her eat with us, then she can go." We sat down at the \ntable. But no one was hungry, no one was in the mood, we just put everything \nout on the table to calm ourselves down, and make it appear that we\'re eating.\nWe turned on the television, and the show "In Fairy-Tale Land" was coming on. \nWe cleared the table.\n\nWe hear some noise out in the courtyard. I go out on the balcony, but I can\'t \nsee what\'s going on, because the noise is coming from the direction of the bus\nstation, and there is a 9-story building in the way. There is mob of people \n. . . I can\'t figure out what\'s happening. They\'re shouting something, looking\nsomewhere, I can\'t make out what is going on. I go down to a neighbor, she\'s \nan Azerbaijani; we\'ve been friends of her family for about 25 years. I go down\nto look from their place. I see people shouting, looking at the 5-and 9-story \nbuildings near the bus station. Just then soldiers set upon them, about 20 \npeople, with clubs. The mob runs off in different directions. I even see \nseveral people from our building. They are looking and laughing . . . I decide\nthat means it\'s not all that bad if they are laughing: it means they\'re not \nkilling anyone. But now the crowd suddenly dashes toward the soldiers. One of \nthe soldiers cannot manage to get away, they start stomping on him with their \nfeet, everyone\'s kicking him . . . I become ill and go home, and explain in \ngeneral terms that horrible things are going on out there . . . can\'t speak\n. . . Well, they\'ve probably killed that soldier, the way that crowd is . . .\nIf each of them kicked him just once . . . They took his club away from him\nand started to beat him with it. But it was far away and I couldn\'t see if he\ngot up and left or not.\n\nI become terrified and go home and say, "Lyuda, don\'t go anywhere, stay at our\nplace, because if you go out they could kill you or . . . " Then the crowd \nruns over closer toward our building and stands at the 12-story building and \nstarts shouting something. We go out onto the balcony. All of our neighbors \nare also out on theirs, too. Everyone is standing, staring. The mob is \nshouting and about 5 minutes later comes running toward our building. As it \nturns out, at the 12-story building the Azerbaijani neighbors went down and \nkept them from coming in. There\'s only one entryway there, they could stop \nthem.\n\nThey all run up to our building. Mamma immediately starts closing the windows,\nafraid that they might throw stones. They have stones and they break the \nwindows, all of them. There are very many people. We have a large courtyard, \nand it\'s packed with people. They spill up to the first floor so they don\'t \ncrush each other. They crawl up on trees, posts, and garages. It\'s just a huge\ncloud of people. They break and burn the motorcycle of the Armenian Sergey \nSargisian, from our building. We close the windows and immediately hear \ntramping in our entryway. They come up to our fifth floor with a tremendous \ndin and roar. It\'s incomprehensible. Mamma told me later that they were \nshouting Father\'s name, "Grisha, open the door, we\'ve come to kill you!," or\nsomething like that. I don\'t remember that, I was spaced out, kind of. Mamma \nsays, "Into the bedroom, quickly!" In the bedroom we have two tall beds, part \nof our dowry; Mamma says, "Hide there, they probably won\'t come in there, \nthey\'ll ask something, say something, and leave." She says, "We\'ll tell them \nthat we live alone here." I can\'t imagine that my parents will stand out in \nthe hall alone talking with some sort of beasts . . . I go to them and say \nthat I\'ll stand together with them, I\'ll talk with them if they come, maybe I \ncan find a common language with them, all the more so if they know me: I speak \nAzerbaijani more or less, and I can find out what they want. I told Marina and\nLyuda to hide under the bed, and my sister Lyuda, I can\'t remember if I told \nher anything or not.\n\nThen . . . they open the door: it\'s like they blew on it and it broke and fell\nright into the hall. The crows bursts in and starts to shout: Get out of here,\nleave, vacate the apartment and go back to your Armenia; things like that. I\ntell them, "What has happened, speak calmly. One of you, tell me, calmly, what\nhas happened." In Azerbaijani, they say, "Get out of the apartment, leave." I \nsay, "OK. Go downstairs. We\'ll gather everything we need and leave the \napartment." I realize that it is senseless to discuss any sort of rights with\nthem, these are animals. They must be stopped. The ones standing in the\ndoorway, the young guys, say, "There are old people and one girl with them.\nToo bad!" They take two or three steps back. It seems as though I have\npacified them with our exchange. Then someone in the courtyard shouts, \ncommanding them: "Don\'t you understand what you are saying? Kill them?"\n\nAnd that was it! That was all it took. They grab Papa, carry him into one\nroom, and Mamma and me into another. They put Mamma on the bed and start \nundressing her, beating her legs. They start tearing my clothes, right there, \nin front of Mamma. I don\'t remember where they went, what they did, or how \nmuch time passed. I had the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body,\nand tore my clothes, all at the same time, I don\'t even know what I said. The \natrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among \nthemselves who would go first.\n\nLater, I remember, I came to. I don\'t know if I\'m dead or alive. Someone comes\nin, someone tall, I think, clean-shaven, in an Eskimo dogskin coat, balding. \nHe looks around at what\'s happening. At that instant everything stops. It \nseems to me that he is either their commander or . . . that somehow everything\ndepends on him. He looks and says, "Well, we\'re done here." They are beating\nMamma on the head. They break up the chairs and beat her with the chair legs \n. . . She loses consciousness, and they decide that she\'s dead. Papa . . . was\nout cold. They want to throw Lyuda off the balcony, but they can\'t get the \nwindow open. Apparently the window frames are stuck after the rain and the \nwindows can\'t be opened. They leave her next to the window. She was thinking \nabout being thrown out the window and passed out. She\'s not a real strong \nperson anyway . . . He looks at me and sees that I\'m saying something, that\nI\'m still twitching. Well, I start saying the opposite of what I should be, \nwhich is humbling myself and pleading. I start shouting, cursing . . . they \ndon\'t get any entreaty out of me. I already know that I\'m dead, why would I \nhumble myself before anyone? And he says that if that\'s what I think, since my\ntongue is so long . . . maybe he thinks that I still look quite appealing \n. . . In short, he commands that I be taken outside.\n\nI no longer saw or remembered what was happening to Marina and Lyuda, I don\'t \nknow if they are alive or not. They take me outside. They are dragging me by \nmy arms, by my legs. They are hitting me against the wall, the railings, \nsomething metal . . . While they are carrying me someone is biting me, someone\nelse is pinching me . . .I don\'t even know. I think, my God, when will death \ncome? If only it were sooner . . . Then . . . they carry me out, throw me near\nthe entryway . . . and start kicking me. I lose consciousness . . . What \nhappened after that, how many people there were, I don\'t remember.\n \nI come to after a while, I don\'t remember how long. A neighbor is bringing me \nclothing. I\'m entirely covered with blood, she puts a dress on me. I remember \nthat I said the same words over and over again: "Mamma, what happened, Mamma, \nwhat have they done to us, where are we, whose house are we at?" I can\'t make \nsense out of anything. There is a guy standing over me, I sort of know him, he\nserved in Afghanistan, his name is Igor, he brought me indoors. When they all \nwent to the third entryway and killed a person there, Igor gathered his \ncourage, took me into his arms, and brought me to the neighbors\', even though \nhe\'s small-minded, he put himself at risk. Igor Agayev is Azerbaijani; he \nserved in Afghanistan. There are three brothers. The older brother also served\nthere, I think; now he\'s stationed here, on the border, in Armenia. Igor \nbrought me to the neighbors\', and then helped me come to my senses, saying, \n"Karina, I know you, calm down, I\'m not one of them." How do I know who\'s who \nand what\'s what? I come to, and they clean me up. I was covered in blood. Then\nPapa . . . I saw Papa, I saw Mamma. And Marina, too . . . Igor was there when \nthey dragged Marina and Lyuda out from under the bed . . . Marina . . . Lyuda \nsaid that she was Russian, they said, we\'ll let you go, we aren\'t touching the\nRussians, go. And while they are dragging Marina out she decides she\'s going \nto tell them she\'s Azerbaijani. Igor immediately grabs Marina\'s and Lyuda\'s \nhands, because he knows Marina, and knows that she is Armenian and is our \nsister, and takes her to the second floor to a neighbor\'s and starts pounding \non the door so she will open up. She opens the door and Igor pushes them in \nthere. So they survived.\n\nMy sister Lyuda lost consciousness after the bandits started stealing things.\nWhile they were going downstairs, taking things downstairs, then coming back \nup again, Lyuda seized the opportunity and crawled under the bed and stayed \nthere. Then, when she was herself again, she found a torn night shirt and put \nit on, and some sort of robe and went to a neighbor\'s on the fourth floor, the\none whose apartment I had watched the crowd from, the friend of ours, and \nknocked on the door. The neighbor opened and said, "I\'m not going to let you \nin the apartment because I\'m afraid of them. But I\'ll give you some stockings \nand we\'ll leave the building." Lyuda says, "I\'ll stay at your place because of\nwhat\'s going on, they keep going up and down the stairs." It was just for a \nmoment, just a moment in life, but the neighbor wouldn\'t consent. Lyuda came \nback to our place and lay under the bed . . .\n\nI came to. Mother was there. I can\'t remember my supervisor\'s telephone \nnumber, but something had to be done. Somehow I remembered and called, and he \ncame to get us. He didn\'t have any idea what was going on. He thought we were \nsimply afraid, he didn\'t know that they were killing us and that we had passed\nbetween life and death. He came and got us and took us to the police precinct.\nThere they looked us over. I was having trouble walking, my lungs hurt badly, \nit was hard to breathe . . .\n\nMy supervisor\'s name is Urshan Feyruzovich Mamedov. He\'s the head of our \nadministration. They took us there. When we were leaving, I saw a great number\nof buses full of soldiers at the entrance to town. The buses were ordinary \npassenger buses. There were very many soldiers. We left around eleven, right \nafter eleven. If these people could stop what was happening they could save a \ngreat many lives . . . Because the crowd was moving on, toward the school, and\nwhat was going on there . . . I think everyone know not only in Sumgait, not \nonly in Yerevan. Because there they murdered them all one after the next, \nwithout stopping. After us.\n\nI think 14 people died in Microdistrict No. 3, and 10 to 12 of them were from\nBuildings 4, 5, and 6. In our building one person died, and one old woman died\nfrom Building 16, that\'s the building in front of ours. There young \nAzerbaijani men stopped the mob and wouldn\'t let it into their building. \nIncidentally, when we were at the neighbors\', Marina called our relatives\nto warn them, so they would all know what was happening. I called a aunt in \nMicrodistrict No. 5. They have three neighbors who are Armenians. I said, "Run\nquickly, I can\'t explain what\'s going on; hide, do what you can, just stay\nalive. Hide at Azerbaijanis\', ones who won\'t give you away." At that moment \nthree people came in, policemen. I think they were Azerbaijanis. I was in such\nawful condition, my face was completely distorted my lips were puffed up, \nthere was blood, my eye was swollen, no one thought I would ever see anything \nout of that eye again . . . my forehead was badly cut, and one-half of my face\nwas pushed out forward. No one would have thought that I would survive, get my\nnormal appearance back, and be able to grasp anything at all. I started to \nscream at those people, why did you come, who sent you here, no one wants you \nhere, haven\'t you killed people people yet, what are you doing here? One of \nthe soldiers said, "Don\'t scream at us. We\'re Muslims, but we\'re not from the \nSumgait police. They called in from Daghestan." So at that point the \nDaghestan police were there.\n\nWhen we got to the police precinct there were an awful lot of police there,\nthere were soldiers, police with dogs, ambulances, firemen . . . I don\'t know,\nmaybe they were waiting for people to bring them the goners and the seriously \ninjured to treat them there in the police precinct. I don\'t know what they \nwere there for. There were also doctors from Baku there. They examined Lyuda \nand me and said, "These women need to go to the Maternity Home, but we don\'t \nknow what to do with the rest."\n\nSo they took us, and I lost contact with my parents, my boss, everyone. My \nboss said, "Don\'t worry, I\'ll find you, no matter where you are, no matter\nwhat happens." We went to the hospital. There we were examined by a department\nhead from the Sumgait Maternity Home, Pashayeva, I think her name was. She \nexamined us. The ambulance was from Baku; I figured out that the Sumgait \nambulances hadn\'t done anything, they didn\'t respond to any calls. People \ncalled and neither the police nor the ambulances showed any sign of life.\n\nThat doctor looked me over and I could tell from her behavior that something\nvery good had happened, for she became quite glad. I even thought to myself, \n"God, can it be that nothing all that bad is wrong?" She looks me over and \nsays, "Now why are you suffering so? You don\'t know what your people have been\ndoing, your people did even worse things." And I think, great, I have to deal \nwith her . . . And I felt so bad, I thought, why don\'t I just die so as not to\nhave to hear more stuff like this from people like her? Here I am in this \ncondition and being told about something that our people did. I just didn\'t \nhave the energy to say, "How could our people possibly be smart enough to \nthink of something that yours haven\'t already done?" I stayed there. Then they\nbrought in another woman, Ira B., she was married, and she was raped in her \nown apartment, too. There were three of us, Ira, Lyuda, and 1. The next \nmorning they took Lyuda and Ira away. They didn\'t do anything to help us. This\nwas in the old Maternity Home, in the combined block. They didn\'t do anything \nmore than examine me, that was it. I didn\'t want any shots or tranquilizer, \nnothing. What shots could have calmed me down? I didn\'t even want to look at \nthem.\n\nI lay in the ward. Either it just worked out that way or they did it on pur-\npose, but I was alone. I was alone even though the wards were packed. That\nsame evening a woman came by and asked me what was wrong with me, that my face\nwas disfigured. She asked what had happened to me, and I said, "Better to ask \nyour brother what happened, there\'s no point in asking me, your brother can \nbetter explain what happened." She fell into a faint. All the doctors threw \nthemselves at her, and the doctor categorically forbade anyone to come into my\nward.\n\nThen people from work came to see me, my boss, his daughter; they brought me \nclothing, because I was literally naked. The only thing I had on was a dress, \nbut the woman who gave it to me was very short, and the dress was way up \nabove my knees, and the woman orderly said, "I can\'t believe you put on such a\nshort dress, who are you showing off your legs to here?" I went back to my \nward thinking, just one more thing from something. People from work came and \nbrought me something in a sack, apples, I think, three or four pounds, but I \ncouldn\'t take them. I had become so weak that it was just embarrassing. I said\nthat I couldn\'t take the apples, and really didn\'t have any appetite. No one \nhad to bring me anything. Some woman took the sack . . . And, oh yes! . . . \nThen I heard that the head doctor tell a nurse that my medical history should \nbe hidden or torn up completely so that no one would know that I was an \nArmenian, maybe they wouldn\'t figure it out from looking at me. So they must \nhave been thinking that there would be some kind of attack, that something \nelse would happen. That it would be worse. Or, perhaps, someone was outside on\nthe street, I don\'t know. In any case, I didn\'t sleep a wink that night.\n\nThe next morning they picked me up, a whole police detail, put me in a bus, \nand off we went. I didn\'t even know where they were taking me. They took me to\nthe club where the troops were, the very one I was in that ill-fated evening.\nI got off the bus. Near the City Party Committee there were a great many \ntroops, tanks, armored personnel carriers; the whole scene was terrible. I saw \na few people I knew there, and that calmed me a little. I had already thought \nthat I was the only one left. So there were five or six of us left in Sumgait \nafter that night. I still didn\'t know what happened to my parents, they didn\'t \ncome to see me in the hospital, and my boss told me that everything was fine. \nI didn\'t know whether to believe him or not. Maybe he was just trying to calm \nme down, maybe something happened on the way. Then I went to the club and saw \na lot of people I knew. They all knew one another, they were all kissing each \nother and asking, "What happened, what went on?" Two days later they came to \nsee me from work. They were there all the time. Each day they came, showed \ninterest, and were constantly bringing me money. They did everything they \ncould. Of course I\'m most thankful to my boss, the only one of my colleagues \nwho didn\'t lose his presence of mind and who didn\'t change his opinions, \nneither before, nor after, nor in the heat of the moment, no matter what \nhappened. He constantly took an interest. A sincere interest, from the heart \n. . . Then, about two days later, the secretary of the Party Committee came, \nnot from our Party organization, but from the First Trust, which ours is part \nof, Comrade Kerimov, a very important figure in our town. He made arrangements\nwith the emergency medical personnel to take me away, because if I sat down by\nmyself I couldn\'t get up or lie down again. There was something wrong with my\nlungs, it was hard to breathe. They examined me there several times, there I \nlay were several doctors, they all thought that . . . that it must just be \nfrom all the blows, I don\'t know. They didn\'t diagnose anything in particular.\nWhen I was in the Maternity Home I even asked . . . I made it a point of \ninsisting that they take me to the trauma section because I felt so awful. \nThere was no way something inside wasn\'t broken, my ribs . . . Well they took \nme there and took x-rays and said that everything was fine. There were \nemergency medical workers on duty in the club. The mother of one of Marina\'s \nfriends was there. She was the head doctor at the Sumgait Children\'s Clinic. \nThey had every kind of antifever agent in the world, which was exactly what I\nneeded at that moment, I thought. I said that I was having great difficulty\nbreathing, I couldn\'t seem to get enough air, something was wrong with me.\nThey put tight bandages around my chest and waist. Later I overheard some\npeople saying that I had been cut all over. I think they just saw me being all\nbandaged up and decided that my breasts and face had been cut . . . But I\nwasn\'t cut.\n\nThey took us to the Khimik boarding house. We lived there a long time. Soon \nappeared representatives . . . They were agitating. At first people would not \ntalk to them, and drove them off. One of the Armenian women shouted, "We \ndemand that Seidov come!" The response was, "It\'s Seidov who sent us." Seidov \nis the Chairman of the Azerbaijani Council of Ministers. The woman said, \n"We\'ll only see Seidov\'s daughter, have her come here, we\'ll do the same \nthings to her that they did to our daughters, and then we\'ll deal with you \nagitators." And so on. More of them said, "Have Seidov himself come." This \nwent on day in, day out. The agitators kept coming and coming, this drove us \nout of our wits. Then people gradually started departing for Yerevan because \nthey realized it was senseless to stay. Everything got on our nerves: The \nsmell, the small children. There were children at the SK club, children who \nhad literally just come out of the Maternity Home. What were they doing in a \nclub that didn\'t even have running water all the time? At first we had to pay \nto eat there. They even overcharged us, as it turned out. On the second day \nsomeone told us that they would bring us food for free. The children were ill.\nEverything stank there. Well imagine about 3,000 people in a small movie \ntheater with seating for no more than 500. You couldn\'t sit or lie down, it \nwas impossible to even move. The stench was awful. Even the smallest infants \ntook ill overnight there. I heard that they were arriving seriously ill in \nYerevan, the infants. They have to be washed, they have to be bathed, not to \nmention that we, the adults, were ill and needed care. People were fainting \nright and left. I just don\'t know, everyone was crying, everyone . . . Only \nthe young people, the men, somehow managed to keep it together. But the women \nwere in a constant state of panic. It seemed to everyone that they would come \nany minute and kill and stab. It seemed clear that we had been gathered \ntogether purposely, like during the war, so that they could burn the movie \ntheater and there wouldn\'t be a single Armenian left. Then people went up to \nthe attic. I didn\'t see them, I only heard them, because I was lying down and \ncouldn\'t get up. I lay right on the stage, we had some room there. Apparently \nthey caught two people with either oil or gas. I think they wanted to burn the\ntheater. Maybe someone saw them, I didn\'t. I was in no condition to open my \neyes.\n\nEveryone was suspicious of everyone else. They would ask, "Aren\'t you an \nAzerbaijani? I think I saw you somewhere, I think you\'re an Azerbaijani." They\nled out all the men and started letting them back in by checking their\npassports, relatives might be covering for each other. Half of the people did\nnot have any documents. There were people who had run out of their homes in \nnothing but a pair of pants and slippers, or wearing just a shirt, not like\nthey should have, with their IDs.\n\nSo on the 28th, on Sunday, I think, the police did nothing to help us. On\nMonday everything resumed where it had left off on Block 41A. They didn\'t \nspare a soul there: not children, not pregnant women, nobody. They killed,\nthey burned, they hacked with axes, just everything possible. They murdered \nthe Melkumian family whom I knew, my mother worked with them. Their daughter-\nin-law went to school with my older sister. They were brutally murdered. Only \nthe two daughters-in-law survived. By a miracle one was able to save herself, \nshe ran away, the neighbors wouldn\'t take her in, so she ran about the \nbuilding until she found refuge. She was pregnant and had two small children. \nThis all continued on Monday in Block 41A, on the 29th, when the troops were \nalready in the city.\n\nThey murdered people, they overturned automobiles, and they burned entire \nfamilies. They say they didn\'t even know for sure if the people were Armenians\nor not. I heard that the Lezgins suffered, too. I\'m not sure myself, I didn\'t \nsee any Lezgins who had been injured. They burned cars so it\'s very difficult \nnow to say exactly who died and who didn\'t. It was very difficult to identify \nthe corpses, or rather, what remained of the corpses after they were doused in\ngasoline and burned . . . it\'s all very hard to imagine, of course I heard \nthat many people disappeared without a trace, from the BTZ plant two people, \nincluding a woman who worked the night shift, Aunt Razmella, who also lived in\nMicrodistrict 3.\n\nThey were stopping buses between Baku and Sumgait. In the evening people who \nhad been visiting Baku were returning to Sumgait, and people from Baku were \ngoing home from Sumgait, and there were students, too. They were simply \nsavagely murdered. They were stopping the buses, the drivers immediately did \nwhat they were told because there was just no other way to deal with that \nhoard of brutally minded people. They stopped the buses, dragged the Armenians\nout and killed them on the spot. I didn\'t see it myself, but I heard that they\nput them all in a pile so as to burn them. Later it was hard to discern from \nthe corpses, well you can\'t call them corpses, you had to figure out from the \nashes who it was. l heard that two fellows saved two women, one a student, Ira\nG., if I\'m not mistaken. She was in the hospital a long time after that, and \nshe still can\'t figure out who saved her. She was also brutally raped and \nbeaten and thrown onto a pile of corpses. The fellow pulled her out of that \nwhole pile of corpses, put his coat on her, took her into his arms, and \ncarried her to the city. I still can\'t imagine how he managed to do that.\n\nI heard that from Engels Grigorian. He knows her, apparently. Well a lot of \npeople went to that hospital anyway. She was in the hospital and singing a \nsong in Armenian, and they wrote the words down, and, I think he still has \nthat piece of paper, because he says that a lot of people now have that song, \nthe one she sang in the hospital where she lay in such bad shape. They \ncouldn\'t find the guy who saved her. He left her in someone\'s apartment and\ncalled the ambulance, she was in such awful shape that, probably, like me,\nshe couldn\'t remember anyone\'s face.\n\nI think that I knew one of the people who broke into our house, maybe I had \ntalked with him once. But I received so many blows everything was just knocked\nout of my head. I can\'t remember to this day who he was. Then, it seems, I saw\nthe Secretary of the Directorate\'s Party organization, where Marina works. She\ngoes to school and works, she goes to night school at AZI, and works by day at\nthe Khimzashchita Construction and Installation Administration. I\'m the \nSecretary of the Komsomol organization at our administration and often met \nwith the secretaries of Party and Komsomol organizations. We had joint \nmeetings. I know them all, I\'ve even talked with them, and he, I know, is from\nArmenia. An Azerbaijani, but from Armenia. It became obvious that many of \nthose people were Azerbaijanis born in Armenia.\n\nThey took me to various police stations, to the police precinct, and to the\nProcuracy, because the USSR Procuracy got involved in the case, and I iden-\ntified the photographs of people who I could more or less recognize. They\nshowed me the people who were in our apartment, they\'re working on our\ncase, but I can\'t even recognize them, although it was proved that they were\nthe ones, they\'re processing it somehow. They tell me that they know that\nsomeone held me by the arm and someone else held me by the leg when they were \ndragging me. There was someone else in our apartment who did not even touch \nme, he just stole a blanket and an earring or something like that. All these \npeople, all of them, as much as I\'ve heard about them and seen them, they were\nall from Kafan.\n\nThe Secretary of the Party organization is named Najaf, Najaf Rzayev. He was \nthere when everything started. It must have been him because I didn\'t \nrecognize anyone else in the crowd whom I knew besides him. All the more since\nI told him, "Listen, you do something, because you know me." He turned away \nand went toward the bedroom, where Marina was. Well you couldn\'t see Marina \nanyway. There was such a noisy confusion of people that you couldn\'t make out \nanyone. All of it flew right out of my head, and then gradually I became \nmyself again, at the City Party Committee . . . There were military people \nthere. I told them what went on, and they wrote it all down. I told them his \nname. On March 8 the Secretary of our First Trust Party organization, the one \nwe\'re part of, came to see us, his name is Najaf Rzayev. I tell Mamma, "If\nhe\'s here despite the fact that I gave his name, it means that either his \nalibi has been confirmed or, probably, that they think I\'m crazy, not \nresponsible for my words." He said, "What did they do to you, how awful, \nmyself, I hid an Armenian family." Then after some time goes by he comes back \nagain and says something entirely different: "I wasn\'t at home, my family and \nI went to Baku." I said, "Marina, what is he saying? He said something totally\ndifferent before." After that I didn\'t go to see our Procurator, our case is \nbeing handled by a procurator from Voronezh, Fedorov by name. Fedorov told me \nthat Rzayev\'s case had just gotten to him, and there were so names involved. \nWhat are they doing with Rzayev?\nDid he prove his alibi or not? They just think that since I was hit in the \nhead I can\'t say anything for sure, whether it was him or not. It will be an \ninsult if he was in our apartment and doesn\'t have to pay for it, but at the \nsame time\n\nI\'m afraid to say I\'m a hundred percent sure that it was he. Because no mat-\nter who I name, they tell me, no, you\'re wrong, he didn\'t do that, that one\nwasn\'t there. All the faces have gotten mixed up in my mind. Who did what\nexactly I can\'t say. \n\nWhen they took me outside there was a whole crowd there, but I didn\'t see it, \nbecause I had my eyes closed all the time. It seemed to me that I always got\nit because of my eyes, people were always hassling me, for some reason it \nalways seemed to me that my eyes are responsible. When they were beating my \nface I thought they were trying to put my eyes out. So I had my eyes closed, \nthey took me outside and started to beat me. A young guy, 22, held my arms, he\nworks at the BTZ plant. And right nearby, across the road from us, Block 41, \nis where all this was going on. Right across the road from us. The BTZ \ndormitory is over there, that\'s where he lives. Now he\'s in custody, they even\nhave proved, as far as I know, that it was he who killed Shurik Gambarian, the\nclarinet player from the third entryway of our building. One person in our \nbuilding was killed, it was that man.\n\nA guy comes by who shared a room with the guy who was holding me. He saw that\nhe was holding me by the arms and that he was beating me, but he didn\'t come \nover, he just looked and then went into the dormitory. A while after it was \nall over, people started making announcements in town saying that \ninvestigators had been summoned. That guy went and told them everything. Now \nthey\'ve caught him, everything\'s been proved. Now, evidently, they\'ve been\nbeating him, I don\'t know what they\'re doing with them over there, but he \nhimself said that he was working the night shift at the plant. Some young guy \ncame to the plant and said, "Everyone who wants to kill Armenians come to the \nbus station on Saturday at ten." That was it. He said, the ones who wanted to,\nwent. This was at the BTZ plant, during the night shift, probably, late Friday\nnight. It was at night, they were at the sauna together. And he said, what do \nyou mean, do you understand what you are saying? The others were silent, \nprobably, in their hearts they were thinking, I\'m going to go. But they didn\'t\nsay anything to one another. He said that he thought it important to to go, \nbecause he had heard a lot about what had happened in Kafan, that they had \nkilled their Azerbaijani sisters, their mothers, burned villages, and all of \nthat. That guy was also born in Kafan. That is certain. And Marina says that \nthe Secretary of the Party organization is from Armenia, too. from\n\nI\'ve participated in the investigation a couple of times. I\'m satisfied with\nthem thus far. They summoned us and asked about what happened, and every word \nI said was recorded. I met some guy there . . . By the way, he was an \nArmenian. I said that he was in our apartment, but what he did, I don\'t know. \nHis last name was Grigorian, Eduard Grigorian. He s from Sumgait, from \nMicrodistrict 1. He was sentenced I think, to five years, not his first time. \nHis mother is Russian. I met with him at the KGB in Baku, at the Azerbaijani \nKGB. They took us there and showed me photographs. There were so many \nphotographs, I think they even photographed those people who were caught at \ncurfew, and I\'ve got them all confused. I say, the face was about like this, \nthe guy in the white coat with the red clasps. But he could take that coat off\nand burn it somewhere, and it would be like looking for a needle in a \nhaystack. Well. This guy, Grigorian, I said, he was in our apartment, but he \nis so light-complected that he looks like a Lezgin. I don\'t know what he did, \nI can\'t remember. Maybe he beat me or raped me. But he was in our apartment. \nAt the KGB he started asking me, pleading with me, there\'s no need for this, \nall this stuff, look me in the eyes, you\'re like a sister to me. I took a look\nat him and thought, "My God, Heaven forbid that I should have a brother like \nyou." But they were satisfied with my responses, because I said everything \nwithout great certainty. I was there with Mamma. Then Lyuda came in, but when \nshe came in she got sick immediately. She wanted to kill him, she crawled over\nthe table at him. She recognized him. When she came to, Lyuda was lying on the\nbalcony, the mob threw her there and all of them ran into the bedroom. We had \nall kinds of boxes with dishes in them, the dowries for all three sisters. \nThey stole everything in the apartment, leaving only small things. At that \nmoment Lyuda came to and started remembering everything. Well, seeing the \nfaces, hearing the voices . . . Two people were saying they could burn the \napartment. Another says, why burn the apartment when I\'ve got three kids and \nno place to live. So this guy was in temporary housing, he didn\'t have \nanywhere to live, he was from Sumgait. They were sure that they would get the \napartment. Besides, the neighbors were Azerbaijani. Why should they burn the \napartment, they might burn Azerbaijanis. That\'s what they said. How did they \nknow there were Azerbaijanis there, if they just picked a place, thinking that\nArmenians lived there? We have a list of the residents for our part of the \nbuilding, our name is in there, but how could they know that Azerbaijanis \nlived on the other side of the wall from us? So they didn\'t set fire to our \napartment.\n\nI don\'t know, I was in such bad shape that if all of it had come to a halt \nwhen I was outside, if someone had asked me what was happening, I would\nhave said that a civil war was going on. Well, maybe not civil . . . but\nprobably civil, because when they were beating me I opened my eyes and saw\nthat all the neighbors were standing on their balconies and watching, like at\na free horror film. So a civil war was going on, and only the Armenians were\nbeing fought. If it were a world war or something like that, they would have\nbeen fighting everyone. But they only fought us. Then I met some women from \nour building, some Azerbaijanis. They are crying, they tell me, "Karina, we \nsaw all of it, how could it happen?" They\'re asking me! Well I just don\'t know\nwhat to call it if a normal girl can stand there and watch what happened to \nme. I think that if it were the other way around either I wouldn\'t have been \nable to take it, or I would have tried to avert it, like that one Azerbaijani \nwoman did in front of our building. A woman lives there, an awful, dissipated \nwoman, if you can call her a woman, the dissipated life she leads. Two \nArmenian families live there, in her part of the building. She came out on the\nbalcony and saw what was happening to me and started to scream and curse. She \ncame down to the entryway and said, "You\'ll come in this entryway over my dead\nbody." So not one of them took it in his head to go in that entryway. Some \nfolks were saying that those people were so out of control that they didn\'t \neven know what they were doing. I don\'t think that\'s true. They knew very well\nwhat they were doing if they didn\'t even lift a hand against that woman. They \ncouldn\'t have cared less about her, but the fact that she was an Azerbaijani \nstopped them.\n\nThey were just beasts, they had smoked so much. When they came to our place \nthey were all chewing something. I noticed: Everyone who came into the \napartment was chewing something. I think, my God, maybe I just think that? \nMaybe I\'m losing my mind? But no, they\'re all chewing something. Maybe it is \nsome kind of drug, it must be, because . . . At first glance they all seemed \nto be such normal people, young, clean-shaven, looking exactly as if they had \ncome to some sort of celebration. But they were shouting something. They\ndidn\'t talk, they shouted, as though there were deaf people there. They \nscreamed and screamed: "Yeah, killing, killing, we\'re killing the Armenians!" \nOnly they didn\'t shout "kill," they shouted "gurun ermianlary." Gurun \nliterally means "kill," or "destroy."\n\nThat\'s how it was! I\'ll continue. We hid in a captain\'s apartment, he\'s an\nAzerbaijani, his wife is a Tatar. We were sitting in their apartment, their \nkids were out in the yard. Their kids knew a whole lot. This was in our part \nof the building, on the third floor. When Mamma came to and couldn\'t find\nLyuda she took Papa\'s hand, this was while the looters were stealing things,\nbut they didn\'t pay attention because they were stealing things. Apparently\nthey had already ceased killing and switched to stealing. Mamma found the\ncourage to . . .\n\nA boy said to my mother "Where\'s the gold?" Mamma said he must have been 12 \nto 14 years old. He even looked Russian, he was so fair-skinned. But the \nAzerbaijanis from Armenia are fair-skinned. I noticed they were all on the \nfair side. He shouted, they were all smashing things, and he asks Mamma where \nthe gold is. We kept our gold in the wardrobe with our important papers. In a \nlittle black bag, we kept everything in there. Mamma doesn\'t really like to \nwear gold. She probably never even wore those things from the time they were \nbought for her. They took everything that was lying on the cheval glass. Mamma\nthinks that the gold saved us. Because they threw themselves at the gold, and \nMamma grabbed Papa, who was trying to breathe. They had closed his mouth, \nbound his hands, and put a pillow and a chair on his face . . . They had \nshoved something into his mouth so he would suffocate. Mamma grabbed him and \ntore all that stuff off . . . He had something in his mouth, he was having \ntrouble breathing, his nose was filled with blood. Mamma grabbed him and \nstarted running from the fifth down to the first floor because no one wanted \nto open their doors to them. Mamma said that by accident, completely by \naccident that person opened his door, he was sleeping, and said, half-awake, \n"What\'s happened?" He sees that they are bloody. Mamma said, "At least go and \nfind out what\'s happening to my daughters, even if they\'ve burned them or \nmurdered them, at least bring the corpses." He went looking for us. At that \nmoment Lyuda was under the bed. She says that after they left it seemed that \nsomeone was calling her name. When he quietly called her she couldn\'t get out \nfrom under the bed. She wanted to get out and was calling softly. She thought \nshe was shouting, but in fact she was either silent or was only talking to \nherself, it just seemed to her that she was shouting. When she got out from \nunder the bed everyone was gone. And again . . . She thought that she had lost\nher mind. I\'ll never leave here, never! To hell with it! It just seems that \nway to me, I\'ll come to eventually. But then, when everything had settled \ndown, stopped, that mall brought Lyuda down, and Igor carried me in from\noutside. Or first I was brought in, then Lyuda, I don\'t remember what order it\nhappened in.\n\nAnd Mamma said, "Listen, they\'re all running around down there, shouting \nsomething or other, and running toward the other building." It had more or \nless calmed down where we were. Who\'s dead, who\'s alive, we don\'t know. I \ntried to call my girlfriend. I had basically come to. Mamma says, "Listen;\nlet\'s go upstairs, at least get a mattress or something. We don\'t know how \nlong we\'ll be here. Maybe they didn\'t burn everything." I don\'t get it, all\nwomen have that feeling, they want to get something from their homes, maybe \nnot everything was taken? I tell Mamma, "Mamma, what do you need any of that \nfor? To hell with it! We\'re alive, forget the rest of it, all of it!" She\nsays, "No, let\'s go get at least something. Maybe we\'ll leave here, spend the \nnight at someone else\'s." Mamma went upstairs, and their little boy, their son\nAlik, was standing on the lookout. lIe was standing there to see if they were \ncoming. They only managed to run up there and grab something one time. He \nshouts, "Come back, they\'re coming!" They didn\'t have enough time to get a \nlot, mattresses from one apartment, a blanket from another . . . Mamma got my \nknitting . . . Someone managed to grab our old things, the ones we never wore,\nout of the hall . . . Someone took Father\'s old coveralls. The neighbor, his \nwife, Mamma and Papa . . . Marina went with them. I was in no condition to \nleave. Neither was Lyuda. We just sat. They ran out and we closed the door and\njust then we hear that the mob is on its way toward our place upstairs, \nthey\'re dragging something again. They were going toward the other building, \nmaybe over by the school, or . . . There was an unfinished building over\nthere, people said they were going toward the basement or the unfinished \nbuilding, they could gradually carry everything over there. Then things more \nor less calmed down. I tried to call my boss.\n\nLater there was more noise. We were on the third floor, in a one-bedroom\napartment, and a woman lives in the one-bedroom place on the second floor,\nAsya Dallakian. She\'s an old woman, retired. She wasn\'t at home, at that\ntime she was usually in the country, she has a married daughter there, and\nher grandson is in the army. She is only very rarely in town; she gets her\nretirement money and the apartment is essentially vacant. They started\npounding on her door and broke it down. She had two or three beds in there, \nsomething like that, she\'s a 60-to 70-year-old woman who really does not even \nlive there. Probably she had some pots, a couple of metal bed frames and \nmattresses, and a television. When her grandson came she bought a television. \nThey started wrecking everything. I started getting sick again. I think, "My \nGod, what is going on around here? When will this end?" We turned off the \nlights and sat. As it turns out the people who weren\'t afraid, the ones who \nknew what was going on, knew not to turn off the lights. We didn\'t know, but \nthey didn\'t come to where we were all the same. They all knew very well that \nhe was a captain. He went out and closed the door, and we sat in his \napartment. His last name was Kasumov. He\'s an exserviceman, retired, works up \nat the fire station at some plant or other. He went out and stood at his door.\nThey tell him, "Comrade Captain, don\'t worry, we won\'t harm you, you\'re one of\nus." He went upstairs, and they say, "Aren\'t you taking anything from this \napartment?" He says, "I don\'t need anything." And the women who were standing \nin the yard . . . we have a basement, full of water . . . the women who were \nstanding in the yard saw. Those guys, they left everything they stole on the \nfirst floor and ran upstairs again. The women threw everything they had time \nto into the basement, to save our property. Some things were left: dirty \npillows, two or three other things and a rug. A guy came downstairs, really \nmad, and he says, "Where\'s the rug? I just put it right here!" They tell him, \n"Some guy came and took it and went off toward the school." He ran off in that\ndirection.\n\nOh! I forgot the most important point. When Igor picked me up in his arms, \nthere were women standing there who saw everything that was going on. They \njust didn\'t tell me about it for a long time. The wife of that military man, \nshe didn\'t want to kill my spirit, I was already dead enough. Later she told \nme, that after they murdered Uncle Shurik in the third entryway one of them, \nthe ringleader, apparently a young man, said, "Where\'s the girl who was here?"\nAnd he became furious. The woman tells him, "She came to . . . " She didn\'t\nknow what to say: Think something up? Someone carried her off? Then they would\ncomb the whole house and find me and our whole family. So the woman says, "She\ncame to and went to the basement." Now, our basement is full of water. So the \nwhole mob dashes off to the basement to look for me or my corpse. They took \nflashlights; they were up to their waists in water, water which had been \nstanding there for years, and soot, and fuel oil. They climbed down in there \nto get me. Then one of them said, "There\'s so much water down there, she \nprobably walked and walked and then passed out and died. She met her death in \nthe basement. That\'s it, we can leave, no problem!" I didn\'t know that, and \nwhen I was told, I felt worse. Two times worse. A lot worse! So they didn\'t \njust want to pound me flat, something more awful was awaiting me . . .\n\nAfter that we of course didn\'t want to live in Sumgait any longer. We really \ndidn\'t want to go back to our apartment. When we moved, I went up there and \nstarted to quiver and shake all over, because I started remembering it all. \nAlthough the neighbors all sobbed, it was all . . . so cheap . . . The people \nwho sat in their apartments and didn\'t help us at a time like that. I think \nthat they could have helped! I don\'t think that they were obligated to, but \nthey could have helped us! Because that one woman was able to stop that whole \nbrutal crowd by herself. That means they could have, too. It would have been\nenough foe one man or women to say, What do you think you\'re doing?" That\'s \nall! That would have done it. There were 60 apartments in our building. Not \none person said it! When I was lying on the ground and all those people were \nstanding on their balconies I didn\'t hear anyone\'s voice, no one said what are\nyou doing, leave her alone . . . Mamma even told one of the neighbor women \nthat if it had been an Azerbaijani woman in my place they would have dropped a\nbomb if it would have killed even one Armenian. They would have stood up for \none of their own. True, they say that our neighbor from the fourth entryway, \nan old/ sick woman tried to stop the pogrom. The Azerbaijanis have a custom: \nif a woman takes her scarf and throws it on the ground, the men are supposed \nto stop immediately. The old woman from the fourth entryway did that, but they\nstomped her scarf into the ground, pushed her off to the side, and said, "If\nyou want to go on living, you\'ll disappear into your apartment." So she left.\nThat trick didn\'t work on them.\n\nEven the neighbors who helped us move told me, OK, fine, calm down, forget \nthat it happened. I said I\'d only forget it if I told them right then that it\nhad happened to their daughter--and if that didn\'t have any effect on them, \nthen I would forget everything, too. Imagine that it happened to your sister. \nAnd no one did anything. Anything.\n\n April 25, 1988\n Yerevan\n\n\t\t\t- - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 93-109\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
"From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science\nLines: 16\n\nIn <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:\n\n>Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company\n>that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took\n>hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images,\n>so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon.\n\nSo they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it.\nThe article didn't say anything about copyrights.\n\nLouis\n\n-- \nI'm hanging on your words, Living on your breath, Feeling with your skin,\nWill I always be here? -- In Your Room [ DM ]\n\n",
'Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nDistribution: world\n <1pan4f$b6j@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1q0fngINNahu@gap.caltech.edu>\n <C5C9FA.6zH@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1qabe7INNaff@gap.caltech.edu>\n <1993Apr15.150938.975@news.wesleyan.edu>\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.150938.975@news.wesleyan.edu>, SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu\n(SCOTT D. SAUYET) says:\n\n>Are these his final words? (And how many here would find that\n>appropriate?) Or is it just that finals got in the way?\n\n>Keep your fingers crossed!\n\nWhy should I keep my fingers crossed? I doubt it would do anything. :)\n\nMartin Schulte\n',
"From: heuvel@neptune.iex.com (Ted Van Den Heuvel)\nSubject: Motorola MC14315 and MC143120 \nOriginator: heuvel@neptune.iex.com\nOrganization: iex\nLines: 12\n\n\nLet me try sending this message again, I botched up the margins the\nfirst time; *sorry* 'bout that :)\n\nDoes anyone out there know of any products using Motorola's Neuron(r)\nchips MC143150 or MC143120. If so, what are they and are they utilizing\nStandard Network Variable Types (SNVT)?\n________________________________________________________________________\n\nTed Van Den Heuvel heuvel@neptune.iex.com\nKX5P\n________________________________________________________________________\n",
"Subject: curious about you\nFrom: Maria Alice Ruth <MAO111@psuvm.psu.edu>\nOrganization: Penn State University\nLines: 20\n\nPlease satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in finding out who is using the\ne-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks!\nMaria Alice Ruth mao111@psuvm.bitnet or @psuvm.psu.edu\n\n1. Are you male or female?\n\n2. How long have you been using the e-mail system?\n\n3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)?\n\n4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female?\n\n5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or\n female?\n\n6. Which net did you find my questions on?\n\n7. Which other nets are you interested in?\n\n8. How often do you read/post to the system?\n",
"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nThanks to whoever posted this wonderful parody of people who post without \nreading the FAQ! I was laughing for a good 5 minutes. Were there any \nparts of the FAQ that weren't mentioned? I think there might have been one\nor two...\n\nPlease don't tell me this wasn't a joke. I'm not ready to hear that yet...\n\nBrendan\n",
"From: andreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Dunker)\nSubject: mail\nOrganization: University of Hannover, FRG\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 12\n\nHello networld,\n\nI'm looking for an X mailreader. Is there a Xelm?\n\nAndreas\n\n\n--\n_______________________________________________________________________________\nAndreas Dunker\nandreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de We all live in a yellow subroutine\nandreas@veeble.han.de The Beatles\n",
"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ...\nKeywords: Leaf Wings\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <C5suH3.3q0@tsegw.tse.com> mhembruc@tsegw.tse.com (Mattias Hembruch) writes:\n>>hell is Anderson? Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples\n>>skin. Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole.\n>>He used to be good at it. We need him now. \n>\n>Agreed. Anderson was nowhere last night.\n>\n\nWell what do you expect...Burns was playing him with Krushelnyski\nand Baumgartner...Anderson is a finisher...unless you play him with\nsomeone to can get him the puck in a finishing position...he ain't\ngoing to do much scoring!\n\nGerald\n",
"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney)\nSubject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\n(NDW)\n>I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!!\n\nIf an Uninstall icon doesn't exist in the Norton Desktop Apps\ngroup:\n\nRun NDW's install program with /u.\n",
"From: bearpaw@world.std.com (bearpaw)\nSubject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 33\n\nspp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:\n\n>> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at \n>> the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior \n>> Senator? The King of the motss/bi? \n>>\n>> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers \n>> get brought out.\n>\n>Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops),\n>who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the\n>density of the crowd in small regions.\n>\n>These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA\n>methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be\n>methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers,\n>so as to justify bigger budgets.\n\nJudging from past experience (the '87 March, a Peace and Justice March the \nsame year, and 3 different Pro-coice Marches), The Park Service will come out\nwith an estimate that is approximately 1/2 the estimate that organizers will\ncome up with - though the last Choice march I went to had a sign-in system, \nand the numbers ended up closer. And then you've got the media types in their\nhelicopters, rolling dice.\n\nI believe the MOW plans and handing out some sort of wristband thingy, and \nbasing their count on those. I see two problems with this. One, can they \nget *everybody* to take one (and only one)? Two, they couldn't possibly have\nbeen able to choose a color/design that won't clash with *somebody's* outfit!\n\n:->\nbearpaw\n\n",
"From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz)\nSubject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()?\nOrganization: CEC Karlsruhe\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.215913.23501@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes:\n> ... remove the shared memory segment...\n> Terrible, but it works.\n\nWhy is that terrible ? That's exactly the way our code has been doing\nit for two years now and is the way that temporary files in UNIX systems\nare managed most of the time (open, unlink).\n\n\t\tBurkhard Neidecker-Lutz\n\nDistributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager\nSoftware Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology\nDigital Equipment Corporation\nneidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com\n",
"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my....\nOrganization: .\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:\n >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to\n >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you\n >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a\n >...\n\nYou consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to\nlearn from your article? Treat people like dogs?\n\nI am not impressed by your attitude.\n",
'From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)\nSubject: Re: bullet proof luxury sedans\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <1pnigoINN5in@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> chsu@mtl.mit.edu (Charles H. Hsu) writes:\n>I am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer\n>(especially GM and FORD) which produces "bullet-proof" luxury sedans.\n\nI understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf\nengine, more gauges, a bit \'stretched\', etc, lots of communication equipment,\nthe works. Color selection is limited though. \n\nThe problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it\n(Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy). \n\n>I am just wondering if this so-called "bullet-proof" (perhaps reinforced\n>windows, special materials for the body/engine/etc.) luxury car - Lincoln\n>and Cadillac models - is readily available to the public. \n\nNot to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like \nhot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but \nthings like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer.\nMaybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything,\nperhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from\nthere. \n\n>Do we have\n>to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars? I would really\n>like to hear from anyone who has experience with the "bullet-proof" cars.\n\n"And I wuz drivin\' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out\nof nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof\nwindshield stopped him" :-) Don\'t think many people on the net have a need\nfor bulletproof cars. \n\nCheck with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They\'d\nknow best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if\nyou told them "I\'ll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice),\nPR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor). \n\n>Any information regarding the dealers and after-market shops that have\n>"bullet-proof" Lincoln\'s and Cadillac\'s is greatly appreciated. You may\n>email me at chsu@mtl.mit.edu or post the message in this newsgroup if\n>you believe other netters might be interested as well. BTW, same information\n>on Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti luxury sedans is needed\n>as well if you have it.\n\nI believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within\nthe last few months.\n\nSpiros\n-- \nSpiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com\nSoftware Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815\nGM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]\n',
"From: martinh@cac.washington.EDU (Martin Hunt)\nSubject: Announcing tcpview: A Motif-based TCP/IP protocol analyzer\nOrganization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing\nLines: 89\nKeywords: protocol analyzer TCP/IP\nTo: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nTcpview is the result of several problems we had at UW. We have several\nNetwork General Sniffers which are heavily used to help debug problems on\nseveral hundred subnets. These are good tools, but they are 1) heavy, \n2) hard to find when you need one, 3) limited in their software expandibility,\n4) difficult to use to upload data for analysis, 5) cannot be remotely\noperated, and 6) cannot resolve names with DNS, requiring much manual \nmanipulation of the name table. We also sometimes use tcpdump, but we found \nit 1) too difficult for most people, 2) did not have enough information for\nmany protocols, 3) could not be used interactively, 4) could not handle\nTCP streams and 5) could not read Sniffer files. However, tcpdump did do\na reasonable job of decoding a large number of protocols, and could be easily\nmodified. Tcpview is an attempt to resolve these problems\nby adding a Motif interface to tcpdump and expanding its features.\n\nTcpview has been tested on a DECstation 5000 and Sun 4 under Ultrix 4.2 and\nSunOS 4.1 respectively. It should work on the same systems as tcpdump.\nIt compiles with cc and gcc on the DEC and Sun. To build tcpview you will\nneed Motif 1.1 or better.\n\nThe following files are available for anonymous ftp from \nftp.cac.washington.edu in /pub/networking\n\ntcpview-1.0.tar.Z\ttcpview and tcpdump source code\ntcpview-1.0.sun.tar.Z\tSun4 binaries\ntcpview-1.0.dec.tar.Z\tDEC Mips Ultrix 4.2 binaries\n\nWhat tcpview adds to tcpdump:\n- easier interface\n- enhanced protocol decoding\n- hex display of frame\n- capture based on time, number of frames, or user interrupt\n- can show ethernet addresses with manufacturer's name\n- ethernet address host table\n- can easily follow a stream, highlighting out-of-order frames\n- can send TCP data to an external file or filter for additional\n\tprocessing.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nCHANGES TO TCPDUMP 2.2.1\n\nNew features:\n\nNow reads and writes Network General Sniffer files. When used with '-r', the \nfile type will be automatically detected.\n\nCan now read in (and use) an SNMP MIB file.\n\nThe hex format has been changed.\n\nNew time options have been added.\n\nOptions were added to allow viewing and processing of the data in TCP packets.\n\nBugs were fixed in the relative TCP sequence numbers. (-S flag)\n\nNew flags:\n-R\tread Sniffer file. Not usually needed, except for reading from stdin\n-ttt\tprints delta times\n-tttt\tprints times relative to the first frame\n-W\twrite a Sniffer save file (use with -w)\n-x\tprint frame (minus link-level header) in hexdump format. \n\tSample output:\n\n16:36:23.349851 jeff.cac.washington.edu.1285 > nic.funet.fi.ftp: S 0:0(0) win 16384\n 0000 45 00 00 28 8a 98 00 00 3c 06 7c 9c 80 5f 70 02 | E..(....<.|.._p.\n 0010 80 d6 06 64 05 05 00 15 5b 19 4a 00 00 00 00 00 | ...d....[.J.....\n 0020 50 02 40 00 4e 13 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | P.@.N.........\n\n-X\tprint TCP data in hexdump format (used with -Z)\n-z\twrite TCP data to stdout (use with -t to eliminate timestamp)\n-Z\twrite frames and TCP data to stdout\n\n\nMartin M. Hunt\nmartinh@cac.washington.edu\nNetworks & Distributed Computing\nUniversity of Washington\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMartin Hunt martinh@cac.washington.edu \nNetworks and Distributed Computing University of Washington\t\t \n",
'From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 36\n\nBryan Boreham (bryan@alex.com) wrote:\n: In article <735259869.13021@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes:\n: > The application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me".\n: > The button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of\n: > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the\n: > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), \n: > it is *much* slower.\n: \n: The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its\n: positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because\n: it thinks the window is already in the right place.\n: \n: Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to\n: me; all information greatly received.\n\nThanks for this clue, and thanks to Derek Ho also for a pointer in the\nsame direction.\n\nOne solution, due to Derek Ho: when the popup is popped up, we SetValue\nits location -- which on repeat popups will be unchanged from the\nprevious popup. The slow response can be avoided by calling GetValue\nfirst, and only using SetValue if the required location is different.\nThe problem can also be avoided by making a tiny alteration in the\nlocation of the popup, so that the SetValue really does change the\nlocation of the popup. (We tried this just for a double check on the\nsource of the problem.)\n\nThe solutions we have tried successfully are now as follows:\n\n1) Use "twm" or "mwm" rather than "olwm"\n2) Use "olwm", with resource "*wmTimeout: 10"\n3) Only reset the location of the popup window if it is truely changed.\n\nThis is obviously working around some bug somewhere.\n\nThanks -- Chris Ho-Stuart\n',
'From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo)\nSubject: Re: Key definitions in Emacs + X\nReply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo)\nOrganization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC\nLines: 44\n\nIn a prior article ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) wrote:\n > Hi.\n > \n > I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better.\n > When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys,\n > I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal\'s\n > keyboard. I can\'t get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all\n > seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling\n > this can\'t be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some\n > xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me?\n\nUnfortunately, the key event handling is pretty much hardwired into\nemacs. I ran into this problem a while back; my solution was to\nchange the source code so that all of these special keys generated\ncharacter sequences which basically encoded the keysym and modifier\nstate as escape sequences -- for example, the sequence "ESC [ 1 B 7" \nwould indicate that the "HOME" key was pressed, with the shift key\ndown. You could also detect standard keys with odd modifiers, such\nas "shift-Return".\n\nIf anybody wants these changes, they\'re welcome to them, but you\'ll\nhave to have the source available and be comfortable munging with\nit a bit. Basically you have to replace the keypress handling code\nin the source file "x11term.c". Maybe if someone at OSF is \ninterested, I can send them the tweaks, but I imagine they\'ve got\nbigger fish to fry (hopefully including the much talked about \nemacs V19!). If there\'s sufficient interest, I\'ll post the mods \nsomewhere, although this probably isn\'t the appropriate group for it.\n\nNotes: \n\n * This special code will only apply if you let emacs create\n its own (X11) window. If you run it in plain old tty mode (which \n includes Xterm windows) then it\'s business as usual.\n\n * The patches I made were to version 18.58, under Sun OS 4.1.2\n [I also did this a while back under HP-UX]. The patches are\n in a chunk of code between \'#if sun ... #endif\' but could \n easily be adapted for anything else.\n\n\n+-------------------------------------------------------+------- /// -----+\n| Mark Lanzo KD4QLZ lanzo@tekelec.com 919-460-5576 | \\\\\\/// |\n+-------------------------------------------------------+---- \\XX/ -------+\n',
'From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.29.1993.14388@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:\n>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:\n>\n>No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point.\n>\n>> \t"We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His\n>> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance\n>> of those absolutes."\n>\n>Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes.\n>I don\'t see how that necessarily follows. \n>\n>Are all truths also absolutes?\n>Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?\n>\n>If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can \n>explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and\n>which truths are absolutes. \n\nThe answer to both questions is yes.\n\nAll Scripture is true, being inspired by God. The evidence for this\nclaim has been discussed ad nauseum in this group.\n\nSimilarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a \ncontradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always\ntrue. Obviously, if a "truth" is not always "true" then we have a\ncontradiction in terms. \n\nMany people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a\nstatement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this\nway. If there are no absolutes, shouldn\'t we conclude that the statement,\n"There are no absolutes" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a\ncontradiction here.\n\nThis is just one of the reasons why Christians defy the world by claiming\nthat there are indeed absolutes in the universe.\n\n>There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical \n>Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding \n>Biblical interpretation.\n\nSo? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate\nthe fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe. Moreover,\nevangelical Christianity, at least, still professes to believe in certain\ntruths. Man is sinful, man needs salvation, and Jesus is the propitiation\nfor mankind\'s sins, to name a few. Any group that does not profess to\nbelieve these statements cannot be accurately called evangelical.\n\n\n-- \nVirgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng\'g and Applied Physics \n\t CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee\n "Bullwinkle, that man\'s intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a \n "Not very well. He doesn\'t look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.\n',
'From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\nSubject: Re: First Bike??\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nLines: 8\n\nIn article <0forqFa00iUzMATnMz@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n> I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to\n> put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would\n\nOh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!\n-- \nBruce Clarke B.C. Environment\n e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\n',
'From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk)\nSubject: Re: Breech Baby Info Needed\nOrganization: University of Rochester\nLines: 89\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.151818.27409@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr3.161757.19612@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:\n>>\n>>Another uncommon problem is maternal hemorrhage. I don\'t remember the\n>>incidence, but it is something like 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 births. It is hard\n>>to see how you could handle it at home, and you wouldn\'t have very much time.\n>>\n>>thing you might consider is that people\'s risk tradeoffs vary. I consider\n>>a 1/1,000 risk of loss of a loved one to require considerable effort in\n>>the avoiding.\n>\n>Mark, you seem to be terrified of the birth process\n\nThat\'s ridiculous!\n\n>and unable to\n>believe that women\'s bodies are actually designed to do it.\n\nThey aren\'t designed, they evolved. And, much as it discomforts us, in\nhumans a trouble-free birth process was sacrificed to increased brain and\ncranial size. Wild animals have a much easier time with birth than humans do.\nDomestic horses and cows typically have a worse time. To give you an idea:\nmy family tree is complicated because a few of my pioneer great-great-\ngrandfathers had several wives, and we never could figure out which wife\nhad each child. One might ask why this happened. My great-great-\ngrandfathers were, by the time they reached their forties, quite prosperous\nfarmers. Nonetheless, they lost several wives each to the rigors of\nchildbirth; the graveyards in Spencer, Indiana, and Boswell, North Dakota,\ncontain quite a few gravestones like "Ida, wf. of Jacob Liptrap, and\nbaby, May 6, 1853."\n\n>You wanted\n>to section all women carrying breech in case one in a hundred or a\n>thousand breech babies get hung up in second stage,\n\nMore like one in ten. And the consequences can be devastating; I have\ndirect experience of more than a dozen victims of a fouled-up breech birth.\n\n>and now you want\n>all babies born in hospital based on a guess of how likely maternal\n>hemorrhage is and a false belief that it is fatal.\n\nIt isn\'t always fatal. But it is often fatal, when it happens out of\nreach of adequate help. More often, it permanently damages one\'s health.\n\nClearly women\'s bodies _evolved_ to give birth (I am no believer in divine\ndesign); however, evolution did not favor trouble-free births for humans. \n\n>You have your kids where you want. You encourage your wife to\n>get six inch holes cut through her stomach muscles, expose herself\n>to anesthesia and infection, and whatever other "just in case" measures\n>you think are necessary.\n\nMy, aren\'t we wroth! I haven\'t read a more outrageous straw man attack\nin months! I can practically see your mouth foam.\n\nWe\'re statistically sophisticated enough to balance the risks. Although\nI can\'t produce exact statistics 5 years after the last time we looked\nthem up, rest assured that we balanced C-section risks against other risks.\nI wouldn\'t encourage my wife to have a Caesarean unless it was clearly\nindicated; on the other hand, I am opposed (on obvious grounds) to waiting\nuntil an emergency to give in.\n\nAnd bear this in mind: my wife took the lead in all of these decisions.\nWe talked things over, and I did a lot of the leg work, but the main\ndecisions were really hers.\n\n>But I for one am bothered by your continued\n>suggestions, especially to the misc.kidders pregnant for the first\n>time, that birth is dangerous, even fatal, and that all these\n>unpleasant things are far better than the risks you run just doing\n>it naturally.\n\nI don\'t know of very many home birth advocates, even, that think that\na first-time mother should have her baby at home.\n\n>I\'m no Luddite. I\'ve had a section. I\'m planning a hospital birth\n>this time. But for heaven\'s sake, not everyone needs that!\n\nBut people should bother to find out the relative risks. My wife was\nunwilling to take any significant risks in order to have nice surroundings.\nIn view of the intensity of the birth experience, I doubt surroundings\nhave much importance anyway. Somehow the values you\'re advocating seem\nall lopsided to me: taking risks, even if fairly small, of serious\npermanent harm in order to preserve something that is, after all,\nan esthetic consideration.\n-- \nMark A. Fulk\t\t\tUniversity of Rochester\nComputer Science Department\tfulk@cs.rochester.edu\n',
'From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU \nSubject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March\nOriginator: hasan@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 189\n\n\nIn article <FLAX.93Apr5224449@frej.teknikum.uu.se>, flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:\n|> In article <FLAX.93Apr4151411@frej.teknikum.uu.se>, flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:\n|> \n|> |> In article <1993Apr3.182738.17587@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:\n|> \n|> |> In article <FLAX.93Apr3142133@frej.teknikum.uu.se>, flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes:\n|> \n|> |> |> I get the impression Hasan realized he goofed and is now\n|> |> |> trying to drop the thread. Let him. It might save some\n|> |> |> miniscule portion of his sorry face.\n|> \n|> |> Not really. since i am a logical person who likes furthering himself\n|> |> from any "name calling", i started trashing any article that contains\n|> |> such abuses without responding to, and sometimes not even reading articles \n|> |> written by those who acquired such bad habits from bad company!\n\n|> [deleted stuff]\n|> well , ok. let\'s see what Master of Wisdom, Mr. Jonas Flygare,\n|> wrote that can be wisdomely responded to :\n|> \n|> Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your \n|> paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the\n|> um, well, debate again.\n\nI didnot know that "Master of wisdom" can be "name clling" too,\nunless you consider yourself deserve-less !\n\n|> Master of Wisdom writes in <1993Mar31.101957@frej.teknikum.uu.se>:\n|> \n|> |> [hasan]\n|> |> |> [flax]\n|> |> |> |> [hasan]\n|> \n|> |> |> |> In case you didNOT know, Palestineans were there for 18 months. \n|> |> |> |> and they are coming back\n|> |> |> |> when you agree to give Palestineans their HUMAN-RIGHTS.\n|> \n|> |> |> |> Afterall, human rights areNOT negotiable.\n|> \n|> |> |> |> Correct me if I\'m wrong, but isn\'t the right to one\'s life _also_\n|> |> |> |> a \'human right\'?? Or does it only apply to palestinians?\n|> \n|> |> |> No. it is EVERYBODY\'s right. However, when a killer kills, then he is giving\n|> |> |> up -willingly or unwillingly - his life\'s right to the society. \n|> |> |> the society represented by the goverment would exercise its duty by \n|> |> |> depriving the killer off his life\'s right.\n|> \n|> |> So then it\'s all right for Israel to kill the people who kill Israelis?\n|> |> The old \'eye for an eye\' thinking? Funny, I thought modern legal systems\n|> |> were made to counter exactly that.\n|> \n|> So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, \n|> \t\t\t\t\t\t\t ^^^\n|> ------------------------------------------------------------------\n|> If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at\n|> least spell them correctly. /sigh.\n\nThat was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey )\n\n|> when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that \n|> the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, \n|> and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on \n|> the ground of occupied territories.\n|> \n|> No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I\'m merely asking you whether the existance\n|> of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals right\n\t ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here.\n|> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the \n|> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have \n|> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights.\n\n\nFirst, my above statement doesnot say that "the existence of israeli citizens\nin the WB revoke their right of life" but it says "the israeli occupation\nof the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically\nrevokes the right of for its military men". Clearly, occupation is an\nundeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. \n\nSecondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to\nprotect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing\nPalestinean human rights.\n\n\n|> What do you expect me to tell you, Master of Wisdom, when I did explain my\n|> point in the post, that you "responded to". The point is that since Israel \n|> is occupying then it is automatically depriving itself from some of its rights \n|> to the Occupied Palestineans, which is exactly similar the automatic \n|> deprivation of a killer from his right of life to the society.\n|> \n|> If a state can deprive all it\'s citizens of human rights by its actions, then \n|> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all?\n\n\nBecause not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant.\n\n\n|> |> |> What kind of rights and how much would be deprived is another issue?\n|> |> |> The answer is to be found in a certain system such as International law,\n|> |> |> US law, Israeli law ,...\n|> |>[deleted, Jonas was throwing up-not for real so you can stick to the screen]\n|> |> |> It seems that the US law -represented by US State dept in this case-\n|> |> |> is looking to the other way around when violence occurs in occupied territories.\n|> |> |> Anyway, as for Hamas, then obviously they turned to the islamic system.\n|> \n|> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem?\n|> \n|> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because\n|> any system can solve it. \n|> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). \n|> \n|> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for \n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n|> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won\'t repeat that \n|> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I\'m eagerly awaiting your \n|> reply.\n\nSo you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights.\n(i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph).\n\n|> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) \n|> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940:\n|> \t "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both\n|> \t peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal\n|> \t\t\t\t\t\t^^^ ^^^\n|> \t of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country.\n|> \t The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of\n|> \t the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than\n|> \t to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to\n|> \t transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be \n|> \t left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to\n|> \t absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."\n|> \t\t\t\t DAVAR, 29 September, 1967\n|> \t\t\t\t ("Courtesy" of Marc Afifi)\n|> \n|> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to \n|> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS\n|> charter (that\'s the english translations, if you have other information I\'d\n|> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to \n|> a _private_ paper even older? I\'m not going to get into the question if he\n|> wrote the above, but it\'s fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have\n|> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will\n|> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff]\n\nExactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment \nis full with men like Joseph Weitz. \n\n\n|> "We" and "our" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). \n|> \n|> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the \n|> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem !\n|> \n|> I think that is fair enough .\n|> \n|> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve \n|> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction.\n\nAbove you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): \nany system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would \nresolve it JUSTLY.\n\n|> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. \n\nYou are proving yourself as a " ". First you understood what i meant, but then\nyou claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. Too bad for you, \nthe Master of Wisdom.\n\n\n|> "The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children".\n|> \t\t\t -Rabbi Shoham.\n|> \n|> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are\n|> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit.\n\nWhy do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , if you were a\nZionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, well i feel sorry for you,\nbecause the same Rabbi Shoham had said "Yes, Zionism is racism".\nIf you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism.\nIf you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in\ncondemning these racist Zionist codes and acts.\n\nHasan\n\n\n\n|> Jonas Flygare, \n',
"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: Converting contents of X-window to color postscript\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr8.200441.9423@jwminhh.hanse.de>, wieck@jwminhh.hanse.de (Jan Wieck) writes:\n|> mbheprg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Raju Gurung) writes:\n|> : Jeff Haferman (haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote:\n|> : > Can somebody point me to source code for dumping the contents of\n|> : > an X-window into a color postscript file? I have written\n|> : > an app which brings up an X-window, and I want (at the click\n|> : > of the mouse) to dump the window into a postscript file.\n|> :\n|> :\n|> :\n|> : I use xwd and xwd2ps. To do it from within a program I use\n|> : xwd -id xxxxx where xxxxx is the window id obtained from XtWindow(widget).\n|> \n|> He asked for sources.\n|> \n|> The portable bitmap tools from Jef Poskanzer\n|> <jef@well.sf.ca.us> include filters to do that (and much\n|> more).\n|> \n\nBTW, the X11 tools come as sources. The sillyness of most vendors lets you\nstuck with binaries.\n\nAnyway, have a look onto xgrab/xgrabsc. It does the IMHO best job for\nthis, including compression.\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o | \\\\\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |\n| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |\n| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n",
'From: kavitsky@hsi.com (Jim Kavitsky)\nSubject: comp.windows.x.intrinsics\nSummary: Clipping of character\'s high order bit\nNntp-Posting-Host: hsi86.hsi.com\nOrganization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT\nLines: 38\n\nI am having a problem with the high order bit of a character being \nclipped when entered in an xterm window under motif. I have reprogrammed\nthe F1 key to transmit a <ff> <be> character sequence by using the\nfollowing line in .Xdefaults:\n\n~Ctrl ~Shift ~Alt <Key> F1 : string(0xff) string(0xbe) \\n\\\n\nI merge in this line with xrdb -merge and then create the new xterm\nwhich has the remapped F1 key. The problem that arises is that the \napplication which is recieving input at the time only sees a <7f> <3e>\nsequence, which is <ff> <be> with the high order bit of each\ncharacter being filtered or ignored.\n\nWhen I run xev and press the F1 key, I get the correct value showing \nup in the following two key events:\n\n KeyPress event, serial 14, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001,\n root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2067815294, (67,80), root:(74,104),\n state 0x0, keycode 16 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES,\n XLookupString gives 0 characters: ""\n\n KeyRelease event, serial 16, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001,\n root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2067815406, (67,80), root:(74,104),\n state 0x0, keycode 16 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES,\n XLookupString gives 0 characters: ""\n\nNotice that the keysym being transmitted is correct; 0xffbe.\nBut when I use the F1 key while in vi or in a program I wrote to \nspit back the hex values of keyboard input, I only get <7f> <3e>.\n\nDoes anyone know why the high order bit is being filtered and what\nI can do to make sure that the entire 8bits make it through to\nthe final application? Any help is greatly appreciated.\n\nPlease *email* any responses.\n\nJim Kavitsky\nkavitsky@hsi.com\n',
"From: fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper)\nSubject: CAD Program for Electronics?\nOrganization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)\nLines: 19\n\nI am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job\nof making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in\nMS-DOS, Windows if possible.\n\nWhat I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by\ndragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements\nneeded are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins).\nIt also needs to have provision for adding legends to the\ncomponents as well as their values. In other words I want to\nproduce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin\ndot-matrix and/or Laser Printer.\n\nIf you know of such a CAD program that is of reasonable cost,\nplease respond.\n\nFred W. Culpepper\nOLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY (Retired)\nfculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu\n---\n",
'From: garrett@Ingres.COM \nSubject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960\'s\nSummary: Pathelogical liars\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 \nKeywords: \nOrganization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.175829.22411@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@us.oracle.com (Michael Friedman) writes...\n>In article <1993Apr14.231117.21872@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes:\n>>In article <philC5Ht1t.GwA@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes...\n>>>Correct. JFK was quite disgusting in that way. The reports of the women that\n>>>he coerced via power of the office are now in the dozens. Today, we\';d\n>>>call for immediate resignation for that kind of behaviour.\n> \n>>I guess coercing women into having sex is MUCH worse than stealing, breaking\n>>and entering, rigging national elections, starting secret wars that kill\n>>hundreds of thousands, and using the powers of your office for personal\n>>gain like Nixon did. NOT!\n> \n>Garrett, you are a really pathetic liar.\n\nIsn\'t name calling fun!\n> \n>Some of your charges are arguable, but most of them are obvious lies.\n>I challenge you to present us with any evidence that Nixon stole,\n>rigged a national election, never mind elections, or used the powers\n>of his office for personal gain.\n\nWhat do you think happened at Watergate? What do you think they broke into\nthe building for? It wasn\'t to just look around. Do I have to draw you \na picture?\n> \n>You can\'t because there is absolutely no evidence that any of these\n>events occurred.\n\nWhatever...\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"Who said anything about panicking?" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson\n"This is still just culture shock. You wait till I\'ve Garrett@Ingres.com\nsettled into the situation and found my bearings.\nTHEN I\'ll start panicking!" - Douglas Adams \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue)\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nOrganization: cisco\nLines: 58\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com\nOriginator: pitargue@cisco.com\n\n\nIn article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes:\n|> \n|> Do you Rambos who worry so much about rape and murder in the\n|> wilderness also carry your guns all the time at home too? You\n|> should, since you\'re in a hell of a lot more danger there than\n|> in the backcountry.\n\nwhen does carrying a tool classify someone as a rambo. so all the\npioneers that came west were rambo\'s? adrienne!!! :-)\n\n|> \n|> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God\n|> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about?\n|> \n|> I can sort of understand the people who want to protect themselves\n|> from bears and such, although there are, what, maybe a dozen or\n|> two bear attacks on people in North America each year? But to\n|> worry about being raped by some buck-toothed Bubba in overalls\n|> is just irrational. I think we\'d all be a lot safer if all the\n|> videocassettes of "Deliverance" were gathered up and burned.\n\nwould your tune change if you were one of the "dozen or two bear attacks"?\nbelieve me, when you need a firearm, you NEED a firearm.\n\n|> \n|> Public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely\n|> have your gun stolen, use it yourself on a family member or\n|> have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal.\n\nplease cite your references. i\'ll let others (please note followup)\ncite valid references to show you that this is an untruth.\n\n|> The Rambo warriors we\'ve heard from here undoubtedly consider\n|> themselves exempt from this statistical reality -- they\'re much\n|> too smart and responsible. Living in a city where there\'s a\n|> drive-by shooting every couple of days, and working in a medical\n|> center where a day doesn\'t go by without a shooting victim coming\n|> into the ER, I\'m just a bit skeptical about the value of gun\n|> ownership. I go to the backcountry to get away from this \n|> environment, and I don\'t want to find other people there who\n|> insist on bringing the urban environment along with them -- boom\n|> boxes, computers, or guns.\n\nwell, you might as well go naked. forget the matches, backpack, sleeping\nbag and all the rest that\'s is a modern convenience. a firearm is just\na tool. as some people won\'t carry gaiters, some people do. firearms\nshould be in the same category. it should be a personal choice.\n\nand your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in\ndue to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw\ncars.\n\n|> \n|> Please post flaming responses to rec.guns.rabid >:-(\n|> - J. Gever, B\'ham, Ala.\n\nmarciano pitargue@cisco.com\n',
"From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)\nSubject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall\nOrganization: Temple University\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: picasso.ocis.temple.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nAntonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails) (balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com) wrote:\n\n: From: OPDBS@vm.cc.latech.edu\n: Subject: Taurus/Sable rotor recall\n\n: My '92 Taurus GL with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp.\n: Apparently they HAVEN'T fixed the problem yet. But try convincing the Ford\n: service person to fix it for free...Right!!!\n\n: Tony\n\n\nGads, I have heard so many horror stories with Taurus and Sable cars! I thought\nthese were premium American automobiles. The way they sell, you'd think so.\nIs Ford really no better than in the late '70s when it was turning out tin\ncans like the Granada and the Fairmount? Which would you get, a Taurus or \na Camry or Accord?\n\n\nJohn\nzorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu\nzorro@astro.ocis.temple.edu\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n",
'From: Rob Shirey <shirey@mitre.org>\nSubject: ISOC Symposium on Net Security\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F43AAA5A058C64@shirey-mac.mitre.org>\nX-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:27:54 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: shirey-mac.mitre.org\nOrganization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Virginia, USA\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nLines: 94\n\n\n CALL FOR PAPERS\n The Internet Society Symposium on\n Network and Distributed System Security\n\n 3-4 February 1994, Catamaran Hotel, San Diego, California\n\nThe symposium will bring together people who are building software and\nhardware to provide network or distributed system security services.\nThe symposium is intended for those interested in practical aspects of\nnetwork and distributed system security, rather than in theory. Symposium\nproceedings will be published by the Internet Society. Topics for the\nsymposium include, but are not limited to, the following:\n\n* Design and implementation of services--access control, authentication,\n availability, confidentiality, integrity, and non-repudiation\n --including criteria for placing services at particular protocol\nlayers.\n\n* Design and implementation of security mechanisms and support\n services--encipherment and key management systems, authorization\n and audit systems, and intrusion detection systems.\n\n* Requirements and architectures for distributed applications and\n network functions--message handling, file transport, remote\n file access, directories, time synchronization, interactive\n sessions, remote data base management and access, routing, voice and\n video multicast and conferencing, news groups, network management,\n boot services, mobile computing, and remote I/O.\n\n* Special issues and problems in security architecture, such as\n -- very large systems like the international Internet, and\n -- high-speed systems like the gigabit testbeds now being built.\n\n* Interplay between security goals and other goals--efficiency,\n reliability, interoperability, resource sharing, and low cost.\n\nGENERAL CHAIR:\n Dan Nessett, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory\n\nPROGRAM CHAIRS:\n Russ Housley, Xerox Special Information Systems\n Rob Shirey, The MITRE Corporation\n\nPROGRAM COMMITTEE:\n Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems\n Tom Berson, Anagram Laboratories\n Matt Bishop, Dartmouth College\n Ed Cain, U.S. Defense Information Systems Agency\n Jim Ellis, CERT Coordination Center\n Steve Kent, Bolt, Beranek and Newman\n John Linn, Independent Consultant\n Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute\n Michael Roe, Cambridge University\n Rob Rosenthal, U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology\n Jeff Schiller, Massachusetts Institute of Technology\n Ravi Sandhu, George Mason University\n Peter Yee, U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration\n\nSUBMISSIONS: The committee seeks both original technical papers and\nproposals for panel discussions on technical and other topics of general\ninterest. Technical papers should be 10-20 pages in length. Panels\nshould include three or four speakers. A panel proposal must name the\npanel chair, include a one-page topic introduction authored by the chair,\nand also include one-page position summaries authored by each speaker\nBoth the technical papers and the panel papers will appear in the\nproceedings.\n\nSubmissions must be made by 16 August 1993. Submissions should be made\nvia electronic mail to\n\n 1994symposium@smiley.mitre.org.\n\nSubmissions may be in either of two formats: ASCII or PostScript. If\nthe committee is unable to read a PostScript submission, it will be\nreturned and ASCII requested. Therefore, PostScript submissions should\narrive well before 16 August. If electronic submission is absolutely\nimpossible, submissions should be sent via postal mail to\n\n Robert W. Shirey, Mail Stop Z202\n The MITRE Corporation\n McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA\n\nAll submissions must include both an Internet electronic mail address and\na postal address. Each submission will be acknowledged through the\nmedium by which it is received. If acknowledgment is not received within\nseven days, please contact either Rob Shirey <Shirey@MITRE.org> or\nRuss Housley <Housley.McLean_CSD@xerox.com>, or telephone Mana Weigand at\nMITRE in Mclean, 703-883-5397. \n\nAuthors and panelists will be notified of acceptance by 15 October 1993.\nInstructions for preparing camera-ready copy for the proceedings will be\npostal mailed at that time. The camera-ready copy must be received by\n15 November 1993.\n',
"From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)\nSubject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement\nNntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com\nReply-To: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com\nOrganization: Qualcomm, Inc\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1qna0tINNf5p@rodan.UU.NET>, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:\n|> I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the\n|> people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the\n|> 80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately\n|> (having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce\n|> it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply\n|> could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places\n|> and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1\n|> sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the\n|> actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences).\n\nWithout real technical details, it's hard to answer this question. But\nsuppose they already *are* XORing the two 40-bit parts to produce only\n40 bits of real key material? Maybe they're using the exportable version\nof RC2...? :-)\n\nPHil\n",
"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH\nLines: 13\nReply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nCup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)\nCellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)\nVanity mirrors on the driver's side.\nAshtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road)\nFake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.\nAny gold trim.\n\n-- \nDoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan\n The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of\n thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein\n ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________\n",
"From: jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu\nSubject: Re: New Uniforms\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Georgetown University\nLines: 10\n\nWhile I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - \nand I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road \nuniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason \nfor the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all \ngreen A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing \nmoney to be made in sales of new merchandise. \n\nJeffrey Popovich\njpopovich@guvax.georgetown.edu\n \n",
"From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)\nSubject: Pro-abortion feminist leader endorses trashing of free speech rights\nOrganization: NCSU\nLines: 38\n\n---\n51 Arrested for Defying Judge's Order at Abortion Protest Rally\nThe Miami Herald, April 11, 1993\n\n Melbourne, Florida -- [...]\n\n Circuit Judge Robert McGregor's order prohibits anti-abortion pickets\n within 36 feet of the property line of Aware Woman Center for Choice.\n Even across the street, they may not display pictures of dead fetuses\n or sing or chant loud enough to be heard by patients inside the clinic.\n\n The protesters say the ruling all but wiped out the First Amendment\n to the Constitution.\n\n ``This is our sidewalk,'' said Joe Carroll, 33, a landscaper who\n marched with his children, Mary Grace, 8, and John, 7.\n\n ``I am not a rescuer. I am not a trespasser. It's just that this is\n my sidewalk. I am not really protesting abortion. We are protesting\n denial of our rights of assembly, religion, speech. This judge is\n trashing the Constitution.''\n\n The children's grandmother led them away, sobbing, as Carroll and\n his father were arrested.\n\n Outside the clinic, Eleanor Smeal, president of the Washington,\n D.C.-based Feminist Majority Foundation, called for the Florida\n Legislature and Congress to pass laws as tough as the judge's\n order, which covers only Brevard and Seminole counties.\n\n ``This cannot go on,'' she said. ``This is not freedom of speech,\n this is total psychological warfare with violence. It is ridiculous\n to have to ask clinics to go court-by-court . . . to get protection.''\n\n [...]\n\n---\n\n",
'From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)\nSubject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ?\nOrganization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <wstuartj.735273842@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu> \nwstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:\n> I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS \n> do I\n> need to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take\n> out the current VRAM before I add more?\n\nYou need to add two 256K VRAM SIMMs; 512K VRAM SIMMs will not work in any \nof the Quadra or Centris machines. There is already 512K of VRAM soldered \nto the logic board. You add the two 256K SIMMs to this to give you a \ntotal of 1 MB.\n\n- Dale Adams\n',
'Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport"\n <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>\n <C5KsE0.5px.1@cs.cmu.edu> <1993Apr19.162137.1306@hsh.com>\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.162137.1306@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) says:\n>\n>In article <C5KsE0.5px.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> U\n>fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.ED\n>(Frank Crary) writes:\n>>>In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:\n>>>>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I\'m curious to know,\n>do\n>>>>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it\n>>>>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n>>>\n>>>This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical\n>>>coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future\n>>>national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured\n>>>must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital,\n>>>you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills.\n>>>In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them,\n>>>you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do\n>>>so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within\n>>>24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need\n>>>your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly\n>>>wouldn\'t know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry\n>>>the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage.\n>>>\n>> Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on\n>the\n>> head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to\n>> me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound\n>> nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and\n>> bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve.\n>>\n>> Tom the non hacker\n>\n>Whoa! Have a care what you say, Tom. The _obvious_ answer to that problem\n>is to tatoo your National I.D. Number on you -- say, your forearm -- so you\n>can never leave home without it. Hell, it worked once before...\n>\n>And that brings us back to my original, sarcasm-laden post: where\'s the\n>outcry from the liberal sector over the National ID Card? My God, if some\n>conservative had proposed this -- plus Clinton\'s "National Police" proposal\n>-- the liberals would be shrieking "Sieg Heil!" and "Police State"!\n>\n>You self-styled liberals ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Hypocrites!\n\nI don\'t know what you watch, but I saw a spokesman for the ACLU voice\nopposition to this idea on NBC the very first night.\n\n\n\n',
'From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)\nSubject: No News Is Bad News\nReply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: bangkok\n\nI\'m having trouble receiving News at the moment due to an overloaded\nNews server. I think that I can post out reasonably quickly, though.\n\nI\'m in a couple of threads at the moment which may be pending replies.\nIf anyone wants a reply from me over something I\'ve posted then I\nsuggest sending an e-mail copy of the point to me so that I can reply by\nNews.\n\nThis is one way to shut me up!!\n\nCheers,\n\nDavid.\n\n---\nOn religion:\n\n"Oh, where is the sea?", the fishes cried,\nAs they swam its clearness through.\n\n',
'From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 47\n\n\nIn article 1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca, gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:\n\n<In response to a debate about who has has a better season- Jagr of Francis>\n\nI think Jagr did he probably had a better point per minute ice time- stats\ndon\'t exist to properly analyze this and he had a substancially better +/-.\n\n\n> Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to\n> flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than\n> Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of\n> hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty\n> plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available.\n>\n> Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice\n> time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out\n> in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up\n> against the other team\'s top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would\n> much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious\n> merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications.\n\n+/- is a useful statistic. If a player is on the ice when his team scores a\nlot of goals and only allows a few goals, he must be doing something right.\nIt is especially useful to compare between teammates- as they play for the\nsame team and should have roughly similar +/- ratings if they are equally\ngood players. It can be adjusted- with varying degrees of success to compare\nbetween players on different teams.\n\nI agree it would be nice for the NHL to keep more statistics- but how useful\nare the ones that you suggest?? Total ice time would be very useful- it is\na missing stat in Jagr vs Francis arguments from before. Somehow measuring\nthe quality of ice time as you suggest would be useless. It would be a\nbetter stat for evaluating coaching- ie are the players given quality ice\ntime actually their talented ones? A very good player could be given low\namounts of quality ice time because of team depth or a stupid coach who\ndoesn\'t recognize his talent and a very bad player could be given lots of\nquality ice time because of a lack of team depth or a stupid coach that\nthinks he is an effective player. This stat would be much more flawed than\n+/- and almost no conclusions could be drawn regarding player talent.\n\n+/- is a useful stat. It is quite useful in evaluating player talent.\nYou are the one displaying ignorance because of your unwillingness to see\nthat being on the ice when goals are scored but not when they are allowed\nis a very positive thing- and should be evaluated as such.\n\nGregmeister\n',
"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans\nOrganization: /usr/lib/news/organization\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com\n\nIn article <mwalker-160493090617@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com> mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:\n>\n>> Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993\n>\n>This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists\n>in your .sigs, folks!\n\nOh, darn.\nOkay, okay, let's stop slamming Ipser, and get on with making fun of other\npeople.\n\nAlan\n\n",
"From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen)\nSubject: Re: The Bible available in every language (was Re: SATANIC TOUNGES)\nReply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no\nOrganization: delab\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <May.5.02.53.10.1993.28880@athos.rutgers.edu>\nkoberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes:\n\n> [ ... about tongues ... ]\n\n> The concept of tongues as used at Pentecost seems an outdated concept\n> now. With the Bible available in nearly every language, and missionaries\n> who are out there in ALL languages, why does the church need tongues?\n\nI guess there are at least some people who are not able to support\nthis claim. There are still a lot of languages without the Bible, or a\npart of the Bible. There are still many languages which we are not\nable to write, simply because the written version of the language has\nnot yet been defined!\n\nI guess this is one of the main goals for Wycliffe Bible Translators:\nTo define rules and a grammar for writing the 'rest' of the languages\nof this world. I do not see that any of them will have any reason to\nbecome unemployed during the foreseeable future. (Provided they get\ntheir neccessary support!) And still they are one of the 3 largest\nmissionary organizations of the world.\n\nBjorn\n--\n______________________________________________________________________\n s-mail: e-mail:\n| | | Bjorn B. Larsen bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no\n|__ |__ | SINTEF DELAB\n| \\| \\| N-7034 TRONDHEIM tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600\n|__/|__/|_ NORWAY fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302\n______________________________________________________________________\n",
'From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Unity\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 126\n\nIn article <Apr.8.00.59.50.1993.28560@athos.rutgers.edu> Maarten.van.Loon@cwi.nl (Maarten van Loon) writes:\n>Hello fellow-netters and fellow christians,\n>about the subject of unity between christians and christian churches.\n>to a bible study group. Alltough I do have a personal opinion on this\n>issue, I thought it would be nice to hear opinions of fellow christian\n>brothers and sisters from different countries and in different situations.\n>\n>My background: member of a (orthodox) Reformed Church. Let us say a little\nThe ONLY unity I\'ve found which is true is when all parties involved are\ndisciples. I came out of a church in which even the different\ncongregations were always competing and arguing about which one was\nbetter and who had the better messages (while none of them put anything\ninto practice from those messages). Since becoming a disciple, I\'ve\nfound that when I travel to another church in the same movement, they\nare just as accepting there as any other. We had a retreat back in\nJanuary when some of the congregation from Louisville, KY came up (this\nretreat was for college students) and it was as though I had known even\nthe people from Louisville for years (and I had only become a disciple\nthe previous April and had never been to the church in Kentucky). One\nof the keys to unity is unselfish love and self-sacrifice. That is only\none area in which disciples stand out from "Christians". Also, another\npart of unity is a common depth of conviction. I\'ve also been a part of\nsome "Christian" campus fellowships who were focused on unity between\nchurches and saw that those churches had one thing involved: a lack of\nconviction about everything they believed. That was why they could be\nunified, they didn\'t care about the truth but delighted in getting along\ntogether.\n\n>The problem here in The Netherlands is that there are two other churches\n>(denominations) with the same characteristics. Both have the same\n>confessions; there are only some differences with respect to - for\n>example - the matter of appropriation of salvation and how to "use"\n>our creeds. In essence a lot of people of these three churches have to\n>same faith and feel that they should become one church. But how, that is\n>the question.\n>\nCreeds? What need is there of creeds when the Bible stands firmly\nbetter?\n\n>So, here is a first question:\n>- can the congregation of Christ be separated by walls of different\n> denominations? Or is this definitely an untolerable situation\n> according to the Scriptures?\n\nAccording to the Scriptures, splits and differences of opinion are going\nto be there. As per a previous note, I mentioned that there are those\nwho teach falsely by many means. There are also differences of opinion\nand belief. However, Scripture states: \n In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your\nmeetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when\nyou come together as a church, there re divisions among you, and to some\nextent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to\nshow which of you have God\'s approval (1 Corinthians 11:17-19).\n\nHow will God show his approval? By fruitfulness (see Acts 2:47), but\nbefore that, there are these qualities:\n devotion to the apostles teaching\n fellowship\n communion\n filling with awe for God\n all having everything in common.\n glad and sincere hearts\n praising God\n enjoying the favor of the people\nAll these are mentioned in Acts 2:42-47. God also shows that those who\nhave these qualities are persecuted. Look at Stephen, "a man full of\nfaith and of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 6:5) who was later stoned (Acts\n7:54-60). \n\n>- can one say that only one of these three churches is the\n> true church of Jesus Christ?\n\nOne can say that a church is the true church only if that church is\nperfect not only in the congregation but worldwide as a movement. I\nhave yet to find that, but the closest one I\'ve found is the Boston\nChurch of Christ movement, which constantly strives to have errors\npointed out and corrected. It is also the only one I\'ve seen which is\ntotally sold out to God.\n\n>\n>A problem closely related to these question is:\n>- can we cooperate with other Christians - from these two churches - \n> before there is a unity? This question is especially important\n> for those who think that only one church can be the "true one".\n>\nAs for cooperation, that can always occur. Unity, on the other hand may\nnever occur. As for those who think about only one church being the\n"true one", I remind them that Mark 9:38-41 states that there are\ndisciples who are not a part of the main group to begin with, but they\nwill not lose their reward. As with the Boston movement, I\'ve heard\nnumerous times this exact same thing, that there are disciples out there\nthat are not a part of the Boston movement but that does not make them\nany less disciples. Of course, few people admit that they\'ve ever run\ninto someone who has the qualities of a disciple outside the movement.\nI know I haven\'t.\n\n>Maybe this last problem sounds a little strange to most of you.\n>For your information: we have a lot of organizations here which\n>are founded by people of one specific church and whose members\n>are all members of that church. This has been considered as\n>"correct" for years. Only a few years ago people started to\n>discuss about this and now we are in the middle of this process.\n>Some organizations are opening their doors for people from\n>other churches etc.\n>\nI must warn that this sounds cliquey to me. A clique is a group which\nruns around together to some extent exclusively. This causes problems\nin fellowship and causes divisions. I would not say at all that this is\nsomething "correct" for a church/group to do for any reason. In one of\nthe churches I attended, for example, there was an internal clique of\npeople who were on the 14 different groups/committees/organizational\nheads of the congregation. They rarely talked to anyone else outside of\nthe committees and seldom were voted out of office without another\noffice being "opened up" so that they would have to step right back in.\nTheir degree of exclusion was such that when the new pastor came, he\nnearly had to wipe out everything and start from scratch (I wish he\nwould\'ve since they still have no clue about what it means to be a\ndisciple). Anyway, this rigidity in the clique is beginning to be\nbroken down, but is still there. So, I must warn against such division\nwithin. There\'s enough division without.\n\n>Thanks for your opinions in advance!\n>\n>Maarten\n\nJoe Fisher\n',
'From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu (Carol A. Bocher)\nSubject: Re:Major Views of the Trinity\nLines: 28\n\nAnn Jackson (ajackson@cs.ubc.ca) wrote on 5 May:\n\n>In article <May 2.09.50.06.1993.11776@geneva.rutgers.edu>\n>Jim Green writes:\n\n>>Can\'t someone describe someone\'s Trinity in simple declarative\n>>sentences with words that have common meaning?\n\n>The answer to this question appears to be "no".\n\nI would like to submit the following which helped me enormously.\nIf it has already been posted, I apologize.\n\nIt seems that during the Middle Ages, it was customary for pastors to \nexplain the Trinity to their parishoners by analogy to water.\nWater is water, but can exist in three forms--liquid, ice and vapor.\nThus it is possible for one essence to exist in three forms.\n\nAnd recently, the pastor of my church drew an analogy, which I\nalso found useful--A woman is often percieved by others in three\nways, depending on their relationship to her--a mother, a wife and\nan employee in a business.\n\nThus, it seems clear to me that the essence of God can subsist in\nthe Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or, depending on one\'s particular\nneed for Him.\n\nCarol Bocher\n',
'From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: University of East Anglia\nLines: 78\n\negreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n\n>In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\n>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n>>\n\n>1. All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand\n>the technique of countersteering.\n\nIncluding all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way\nthrough a corner??\n\n>The underlying physics are a\n>different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. \n\nAgreed!\n\n>Countersteering\n>(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the\n>technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance\n>manuvers.\n\nThis is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to\ndisagree?? I still think that telling newbies to steer left to turn\nto the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they\'ll do it anyway if they\njust get on the bike and ride the damn thing.\n\n\n>2. *I* know exactly what\'s happening. It\'s those *other* gits that\n>haven\'t a clue! :^)\n\n\nMe too!!\n\n:-)\n\n\n>>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how\n>>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course.\n>>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre\n>>*just* beginning to slide against the road.\n\n>Then we are in violent disagreement. While what you state is true, it\n>is insufficient to form a traction management policy. Available\n>traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to\n>the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and\n>correspondingly decreases at the rear. Thus, a *technique* of applying\n>both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the\n>front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and\n>available traction.\n\nJeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I\nthought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway\nlocomotives...\n\nThe official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the\nfront brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being\nthat you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In\npractice I suspect most people do what you describe.\n\n>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless\n>advice to a newbie. He has to go out and slide the tire to find out\n>where that is! It also gives him zero information from which to\n>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and\n>corresponding weight shift develop.\n\nIf you don\'t slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you\'ve\nachieved maximum braking or not. I\'m not suggesting that you should always\naim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the\nlimits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. \n\nIn any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep\nboth wheels just on the point of sliding, then you\'ll be doing\nexactly as *you* suggest!!\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH)\nSubject: Re: Adcom cheap products?\nOrganization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 52\n\nAaron Lung (alung@megatest.com) wrote:\n: >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east\n: > or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components\n: > they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the\n: > amplifiers sound so brilliant.\n\n: Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components\n: they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was\n: properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it\n: shouldn't matter where it is assembled.\n\nDefinately, I agree wholeheartedly. If they can build the amp where\n the labour is not so expensive, they can afford to put decent\n components in and go to more effort to improve the design of the\n amplifier - as Adcom has done.\n\n: >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with\n: > those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly\n: > hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good.\n\n: An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound.\n: The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day.\n\n: Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though\n: the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive \n: heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component\n: regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is\n: because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted\n: to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm....\n\nSure, I didn't mean to imply that because of the heat generated, the\n amp sounds good. My Adcom GFP 535II runs fairly warm - not hot to\n the touch - but enough to satisfy me that the amp is running nicely.\nI don't like it when an amp runs dead-cold. It makes one think that\n the amp is doing nothing :)\nThe heatsinks that Adcom uses in their amps are certainly far for\n skimpy - they're massive things with heating vents both below\n and above. More than enough to carry away excessive heat.\n\nMy opinions once again.\n\n--\n***********************************************************************\n** Alan Webber **\n** webb@itu1.sun.ac.za **\n** webb@itu2.sun.ac.za **\n** **\n** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high **\n** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by **\n** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine **\n** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme **\n***********************************************************************\n",
"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)\nSubject: NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-05-93\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: monday night's boxscore\nLines: 55\n\n\n\nNHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/05/93.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n STANDINGS\n PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE\n TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT\n \nxPIT 53 21 6 112 yMON 47 27 6 100 yDET 44 28 9 97 yVAN 42 28 9 93\n WAS 40 31 7 87 yBOS 46 26 7 99 yCHI 43 25 11 97 yCAL 40 29 10 90\n NJ 38 35 6 82 yQUE 44 25 10 98 yTOR 42 26 11 95 yLA 37 33 9 83\n NYI 37 34 6 80 yBUF 38 31 10 86 STL 35 34 10 80 yWIN 37 35 7 81\n NYR 34 33 11 79 HAR 24 49 5 53 MIN 34 35 10 78 EDM 26 45 8 60\n PHL 30 37 11 71 OTT 9 66 4 22 TB 22 51 5 49 SJ 10 68 2 22\n\nx - Clinched Division Title\ny - Clinched Playoff Berth\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nHartford Whalers (24-49-5) 1 1 3 - 5\nNew York Rangers (34-33-11) 1 2 1 - 4\n\n1st period: HAR, Cunneyworth 5 - (Janssens, Greig) 12:21\n\t NYR, Graves 34 - (Turcotte, Zubov) 18:39\n\n2nd period: NYR, Kovalev 19 - (Turcotte, Graves) 2:12\n\t HAR, Sanderson 44 - (Cassels) (pp) 4:54\n\t NYR, Amonte 30 - (Andersson, Vanbiesbrouck) (pp) 19:13\n\n3rd period: NYR, M.Messier 25 - (Amonte, Andersson) 2:26\n\t HAR, Sanderson 45 - (Cassels) (sh) 5:23\n\t HAR, Nylanders 6 - (Ladouceur) 8:35\n\t HAR, Verbeek 36 - (Zalapski) 17:43\n\nPowerplay Opportunities-Whalers 1 of 4\n\t\t\tRangers 1 of 4\n\nShots on Goal-\tWhalers 7 8 8 - 23\n\t\tRangers 9 10 12 - 31\n\nHartford Whalers--Gosselin (4-7-1) (31 shots - 27 saves)\nNew York Rangers--Vanbiesbrouck (20-18-7) (23 shots - 18 saves)\n\nATT-17,806\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\\|||||/\n-SPIKE-\n\n\n\n",
'From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush)\nSubject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb.\nArticle-I.D.: news.12787\nOrganization: Biochemistry\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr06.062907.108109@locus.com> aardvark@spica.la.locus.com\n(Warren Usui) writes:\n>In article <Apr.5.16.22.48.1993.11331@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net\n(Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:\n>>anyone who writes "dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he\'ll\n>> have 324 home runs!" should be shot.\n\n\n\nNow, on the other hand, Juan Gonzales probably DOES have a shot at\n324 HR\'s. ;).\n\n>The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error. At this rate\n>they\'ll have 1,455 errors this season!\n\n>Well maybe I\'m right this time...\n\n\n\nActually, you might be underpredicting? ;)\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nEric Roush\t\tfierkelab@\tbchm.biochem.duke.edu\n"I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"\nGrafitti, Paris, 1968\n\nTANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.)\n--------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik)\nSubject: Correction on my last posting (GLX & lack of cous on Dialog Widget)\nOrganization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory\nIn-reply-to: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu's message of 22 Apr 93 18:22:55 CDT\nLines: 13\n\nOn the code I sent, please replace the line:\n\n XtAddCallback(PopUpShell, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell);\n\nby\n\n XtAddCallback(Button, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell);\n\n--- \n\nThe rest (and my question) remains the same...\n\nDan\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Toxoplasmosis\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1240002@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM> sude@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM (#Susanne Denninger) writes:\n>\n>1. How dangerous is it ? From whom is it especially dangerous ?\n>\nDangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses. To them,\nit is extremely dangerous. Most of the rest of us have already had\nit and it isn\'t dangerous at all.\n\n>2. How is it transmitted (I read about raw meat and cats, but I\'d like to\n> have more details) ?\n>\nCat feces are the worst. Pregnant women should never touch the litter box.\n\n>3. What can be done to prevent infection ?\n>\nCook your meat. Watch it with pets.\n\n>4. What are the symptoms and long-term effects ?\n>\nYou\'ll have to read up on it. \n\n>5. What treatments are availble ?\n>\n\nThere is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check.\nOf course, it can\'t reverse damage already done, such as in\na fetus.\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)\nSubject: Re: criminals & machineguns\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n>people are getting killed by gang violence every day? Every single day I hear\n>about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons\n>that are being confiscated.\n\nIs Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16\nfrom an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and\na full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various\nversions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9?\n\nIf so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate\nthat Kratz is blowing smoke.\n\nConsidering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like\nanother gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's\nquite common....\n\nMost kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out\nthat my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it\nlooked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been\ndifferent with Kratz.\n\n>Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference?\n\nNo, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the\noutside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact\nthat it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much.\n\n-andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private\n--\n",
'From: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson)\nSubject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book\nArticle-I.D.: toontown.627\nReply-To: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson)\nOrganization: NCR E&M Columbia, SC\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <canright.734829385@convex.com> canright@convex.com (Robert Canright) writes:\n|you might try\n|"Computer-Aided Circuit Analysis Using SPICE" by Walter Banzhaf,\n|at bookstores, paperback, ~$33, lots of examples. Dr. Banzhaf\n|is a teacher.\n\nIs there another book. I have this one and don\'t find it helpfull in \nlearning Spice. It would make a good reference book but I found it lacking\nfor learning Spice. Are there any others?\n\nCraig\n\n-- \n "You took the bull by the horns\n-Craig Williamson and stepped in something good."\n Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM - Balki Bartokomas\n craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers\n',
"From: hickson@pop.psu.edu (Darryl Hickson)\nSubject: DJ Equipment, NES Carts, Cordless Phone FOR SALE (Lower Prices)\nArticle-I.D.: genesis.1prc95$u10\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Penn State Population Research Institute\nLines: 35\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zelinski.pop.psu.edu\n\nI have a few things to sell. All items are in great condition. All\nprices include shipping. If you have any questions contact me by\nE-Mail or call me at (814)234-4439.\n\nDarryl\n\n\nDJ Equipment\n=======================================================================\n- Mixer Case (with pop-up rails) $60\n- (2) Patch Cords (3 meters, Gold Tips) $15\n\n\nRecords\n=======================================================================\nCasualties Of War (12 inch single) Eric B. & Rakim $2\nGet Some (12 inch single) EYC & Boo-Ya Tribe $2\nBlack's Magic Salt & Pepa $2\nHeart Break New Edition $2\nThe Right Stuff Vanessa Williams $2\n\n\nMisc\n=======================================================================\nToshiba FT6000 Cordless Phone $50 \n\n\nBooks (Each book is priced as marked)\n=======================================================================\n1. Microcomputers For Management P. Fuhrman & G. Buck $5\n Decison Making (1st Edition)\n2. Statistics: A fresh Approach D. Sanders, R. Eng & $5\n A. Murph\n3. Quantitative Approaches to R. Levin, D. Rubin & $5\n Management J. Stinson\n",
"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler)\nSubject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal\nNntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux\nOrganization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:\n|> \n|> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n|> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal\n|> \n|> \n|> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.\n|> ---------------------------------------------------------- by\n|> \t\t\t Elias Davidsson\n\n|> \n|> 1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants\n|> for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew\n|> and the other Palestinian-Arab.\n|> \n|> 2. To be entitled for a grant, a couple will have to prove\n|> that one of the partners possesses or is entitled to Israeli\n|> citizenship under the Law of Return and the other partner,\n|> although born in areas under current Isreali control, is not\n|> entitled to such citizenship under the Law of Return.\n|> \n|> 3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For\n|> the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each\n|> subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child.\n...\n\n|> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as\n|> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful\n|> discussion and enrichment.\n|> \n|> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND\n\nMaybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but have you heard about something\ncalled Love? It used to play some role in people's considerations\nfor getting married. Of course I know some people who married \nfictitiously in order to get a green card, but making a common\nchild for 18,000$? The power of AA is limited. Your proposal is\nindeed unconventional. \n\n===============================================================\nOded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France\nPhone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr\n===============================================================\n",
'From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <C5IJ7H.L95@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:\n>>In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:\n>>> In article <1qd1snINNr79@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:\n>>> >I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be\n>>> >a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor.\n>>> \n>>> \n>>> So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down\n>>> and the safety factor high?? \n>>> \n>>> Think about it -- shouldn\'t all drugs then be legalized, it would lower\n>>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use.\n>>\n>> Yes.\n>> \n>>> I don\'t think we want to start using these criterion to determine\n>>> legality.\n>>\n>> Why not?\n>\n>\n>Where do they get these people?! I really don\'t want to waste time in\n>here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we\n>can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! \n\nGo for it. I have yet to see anybody justify the\nprohibition on drugs and the ensuing War On Drugs. In the world of\n*.politics here on Usenet, it is YOU that is crazy. ANYBODY--who gives\nthe matter any thought beyond reading headlines---cannot justify this\natrocity, this all out war on individual rights.\n\nJust _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you!\n\n>\n>My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just\n>because it will be safer and cheaper.\n> \n\nOnce again, in chorus: WHY is this "stupid"?\n\n>\n>A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all\n>funny farm patients, AIDS "victims", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. -\n>this would surely make my taxes decrease.\n\nThe above paragraph is gibberish--that all I can make of it...\n\n\n-- \n_______\nSteve Thomas\nsteveth@rossinc.com\n',
'From: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar)\nSubject: Re: Beta testers required for winsock version of Windows Trumpet\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 19\nReply-To: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam) says:\n\n>Contact me for details.\n>\n> peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au\n>\n>Peter\n\nThis is posted on behalf of Peter Tattam. There is a North American\nmirror with the beta test version of WinTrumpet for Winsock. Please\ncontact me or Peter for details.\n\nAshok\n-- \n Ashok Aiyar Department of Biochemistry, CWRU axa12@po.cwru.edu\nFor Internet Access (Telnet/FTP) in Cleveland, contact info@wariat.org\n Telnet to wariat.wariat.org and login as bbs\n Dial (216) 481-9425/9445 (V.32bis) or (216) 481-9436 (2400 bps)\n',
'From: hgomez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Humberto L Gomez)\nSubject: MULTISYNC 3D NEC MONITOR FOR SALE\nArticle-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.012451.3540\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 8\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n\nI have an NEC multisync 3d monitor for sale. great condition. looks new. it is\n.28 dot pitch\nSVGA monitor that syncs from 15-38khz\n\nit is compatible with all aga amiga graphics modes.\nleave message if interested. make an offer.\n-- \n',
'Distribution: world\nFrom: Jim_Chow@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca\nOrganization: EdgeWays!\nSubject: Re: ThunderScan - got a spare ImageWriter cover?\nLines: 21\n\n>Anyone have the replacement cover needed to use ThunderScan\n>with an ImageWriter I? Or can I fool the printer into\n>working without its own cover by sticking a suitable\n>magnet into its cover-sensor?\n\n>Thanks for any help,\n>Ralph\n\n\nThe magnet trick will work. Be careful when you apply the white tape to the\nrubber carriage roller, it tells the scanner where the edge is and it can come\noff.\n\nJim\n\n\n***************************** EdgeWays! InfoLink *****************************\n name@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca GUI BBS: (604) 984-2777 * Voice: (604) 984-6860\n\t\t\t\t\t *\tThe views expressed here are of the individual author only. * \n[From FirstClass(tm) by PostalUnion Lite(tm) from North Vancouver, BC Canada]\n******************************************************************************\n',
'From: sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda)\nSubject: Royals final run total...\nOrganization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\nI\'ve been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the\nnet for a while I figured I\'d stick my neck out a bit...\n\nThe Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL\nteam since the inception of the DH rule. (p.s. any ideas what this is?)\n\nThey will fall easily short of 600 runs, that\'s for damn sure. I can\'t\nbelieve these media fools picking them to win the division (like our\nTom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of\ngenius for the trades/aquisitions he\'s made)\n\nc-ya\n\nSean\n\n\n--\nSean Sweda sweda@css.itd.umich.edu\nCSS/ITD Consultant\t\t\t President, Bob Sura Fan Club\nGM/Manager Motor City Marauders\nInternet Baseball League\t\t\t\t "play ball!"\t\n',
"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <strnlghtC5puCL.6Kp@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n>In article <Apr18.204843.50316@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>\n>holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n>\n>\n>>\tLet me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your\n>>crypto keys? I wouldn't.\n>\n>I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure.\n>Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon .\n>\n\tAre you sure you aren't being watched? Let me remind you that \nWatergate was only the tip of the iceberg. Nixon extensively used the NSA\nto watch people because he didn't like them. According to _Decrypting the\nPuzzle Palace_:\n\n\tPresumably, the NSA is restricted from conducting American surveillance\n\tby both the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978(FISA) and a\n\tseries of presidential directives, beginning with one issued by\n\tPresident Ford following Richard Nixon's bold misuse of the NSA, in\n\twhich he explicitly directed the NSA to conduct widespread domestic\n\tsurveillance of political dissidents and drug users.\n\n\tOf course, just because there are laws saying the gov't is not \nsupposed to conduct illegal surveillance doesn't mean those laws can't be\nbroken when they are in the way.\n\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n\n",
'From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno )\nSubject: Re: When are two people married in God\'s e\nReply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 8\n\n|In article <Apr.14.03.07.21.1993.5402@athos.rutgers.edu> >randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes:\n|>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged\n|>couple become "married" in God\'s eyes? \n\n|Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony,\n|nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so.\n\n How do you know this?\n',
"From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen)\nSubject: Re: New Finnish Star is born?\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 22\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi\nIn-reply-to: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:40:41 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.114041.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:\n\n>I saw yesterday on TV a game between Team Sweden and Team Finland.\n>Most of us might know that it was played in Stockholm and the result\n>was 4:3 for the home team. That's nothing very special... But I was\n>very surprised of Saku Koivu. I must admit that he surprised me \n>already in the Finnish playoffs. And now on team Finland!\n\n>Saku Koivu is a light weight player, if we consider his size: According\n>to my stats he is only 172cm and 68kgs! And he is only 18! (23.11.74).\n>But he is a real two-way player! Skates well, can score, gives nice\n>passes, does even bodycheckings!!? He is really something to watch\n>in the WC. \n\n>The size isn't always everything. Maybe we remember Harlamov...\n>And they say that Saku is still growing up (3cm during last year)...\n\nSaku isn't that small any longer I guess I heard he is 177cm tall at the\nmoment and will still grow 6-8cm.\n\nPetteri Kortelainen\n\n",
'Organization: The American University - University Computing Center\nFrom: <FINAID5@auvm.american.edu>\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\n <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>\nLines: 129\n\nMessage-ID: <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Mr.Napoleon responds:\n\n*******************************************************\n********************* TO MR. NAPOLEON******************\n*******************************************************\n\n> Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks\n> who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to\n> believe for somebody trying to be objective.\n> When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot\n> blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides.\n> What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway?\n> Do you think it was your right to be there?\n\n** There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor\n**until 1923 Someone had to protect them. If not us who??\n\n\nIs that so? or you were taking advantage of weakness of ottoman\nempire to grab some land. As soon as you got green lights from\nallied forces, you occupied Izmir and other cities in western\nTurkey. You killed and raped millions people without any reason.\nOf course, you paid the price. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk made\nyou swim in aegean sea but not far enough. Your aggressions thru\nTurkey at anytime in the past did not get you any reward and shall\nnot get you anywhere.\n\n\n> I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only\n> not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering.\n> It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise.\n> I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the\n> visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it\n> was a positive attempt to make the relations better.\n>\n**Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in\n**Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial\n**waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of\n**Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean.\n\n\nWhat compromise are you talking about on Cyprus. That is not Greece\nbusiness to join the island to Greece. That is up to people in the island\nto live or not to live together. They made their decision and they are\nliving separetely now.There is a peace there. Greeks can\'t slaughter\nTurks anymore because turkish peacemaking force is there.\nYour dream will never come true. 12 mile territorialwater!!!!\nAre you joking or dreaming? We can declare our 12 miles territorial\nwater which can come close to Athens. How would you like it?\nIf you have any guts why don\'t you shoot at some Turkish ships\nin your dream 12 mile territorial waters?\nWe do not have any city called Konstantinople. We have a city\ncalled ISTANBUL!!!! All the greeks in Istanbul are being\ntreated just any other Turks. There is no difference among people\nin Turkey. You look at your own backyard first before talking\nabout human rights in Turkey. What are the rights of Turks in Greece?\nNothing. They do not even have basic human rights like right to\nhave property, fredom of religion, fredom of press, fredom of\nvote elect their community leaders. Government of Greece publicly\nencourages people to destroy and burn schools, religious places,\nhouses, and farms belong to turkish minority. Then, Greek government\nforces these minorities to go to Turkey without anything with them.\nYou will dream to see Aegean sea as Greek lake but it will never\nhappen. Think about the war between Turkey and Greece in 1915.\nThe river called SAKARYA flood 21 days filled with blood in 1915.\n\n\n> The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn\'t talk to me are educated\n> people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person\n> because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is\n> not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals\n> why the hatred?\n\n**Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment\n**directly or indirecly is a "bad" person.\n**It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support\n**of the actions of your goverment that make you "bad".\n**People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you\n**are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and\n**as a such you must pay the price.\n\n\nYou mean that any person who supports the actions and policies of the\ngovernment of Greece is a good person. That is your Greek idea to\nsay Turks are bad people. We know who we are and proud to be TURKS\nanywhere in the world. That is not Greeks business to tell us what\nkind of people we are. You are not at position to judge people because\nyou are not civilized enough to give equal rights to your own minorities.\nMillions of minorities are being treated as third class citizen,\ntheir rights are taken away from them, and they have no voices under\nthe Government of Greece. They are almost being treated as slaves\neven though we are getting into 21th century. Therefore, do not make me\nlaught at you.\n\n\n> So that makes me think that there is some kind of\n> brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person\n> treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your\n> history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish\n> encounters during your schooling.\n> take it easy!\n\n**You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks.Just\n**as Greeks, Arats, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had\n**the luck to be under Turkish occupation.\n**They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction.\n**You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about\n**them from people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness.\n\nThe Government of Greece is actively supporting terrorism against\nTurkey.Armenian and Kurdish terrorists have headquarters in Athens.\nThey are being trained in special camps in Greece. They are taught how to\nkill innocent women and children.This not a claim, this is a fact known\nby whole world. In conlusion, you are in action to murder, rape,\ndestroy the innocent people. I do not take you seriously because you\nare not at any positions to talk about human rights and dignity.\nYour own government, the Government of Greece actively supports\natrocities in Bosnia. Serbs\'s Barbarism pleases your government.\nPlease Napoleon think twice before you write anything about Turks and\nTurkey. You are the worst in human right conditions and treatment of\nthe minorities. Who wants to be a fried with someone whose government\ndoes not respect the human rights, supports terrorism in Turkey,barbaric\nactions in Bosnia, treats Turkish minorities as third class citizen and\ntake away all of their rights, treating them as slaves at the beginning\nof 21th century???????\n\nAykut Atalay Atakan\n\nNapoleon\n',
"From: karplus@cse.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus)\nSubject: Re: decoupling caps - onboard\nOrganization: University of California, Santa Cruz\nLines: 38\nReply-To: karplus@ce.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ararat.ucsc.edu\n\n\nI've used on-chip capacitors to reduce ground-bounce noise on a small\nsystolic array chip that had 50pF loads on the clock lines.\n(Design was in 2-micron n-well cmos, using the MOSIS scalable design rules.)\nHere are some thoughts on the bypass capacitors:\n\n1) They don't help much with simultaneous output switching--there is\n\tstill a large inductance between the bypass capacitor and the\n\tload capacitor (on both the signal line and the ground\n\treturn), so you still get ground and power line bounce. \n\n2) They do help a lot with on-chip loads, as I had with the high load\n\ton the clock lines. \n\n3) The transients you are trying to suppress are really high\n\tfrequency, so forget about large areas of poly-thin-oxide-diff\n\tcapacitors, since the RC time constant is too large.\n\tWhat I did is to make a metal2, metal, poly, diff sandwich,\n\tbut put a lot of holes in the poly layer, allowing frequent\n\tdiff-metal1 contacts. I forget exactly how wide the poly\n\tlines were. If I were doing this design again, I'd probably\n\tomit the diff altogether, and use a solid poly sheet instead,\n\tusing just m2, m1, and poly (and substrate, but that has such a high\n\tresistance it can be ignored at these speeds).\n\n4) You are probably better off trying to tune your circuit to run with\n\tslightly slower edges and lower voltage swings (especially for\n\toutput signalling), than spending chip area on capacitors.\n\tI had spare space on the die since the circuit was too big for\n\ta MOSIS tiny chip, and the next size up was twice as big as I\n\tneeded. \n\nKevin Karplus\n-- \nKevin Karplus\t\tkarplus@ce.ucsc.edu\n\nDue to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel is\nbeing turned off.\n",
'From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nReply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says:\n\n>In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n>>In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:\n>>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:\n>\n>>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral\n>>>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?\n>\n\nThere are many cases, but I do not remeber names. The Isralis shot and killed\na UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada.\n\nI believe that most of the world has seen pictures of Israeli soldiers who\nwere breaking the cameras of the reporters, kicking reporters out, confiscating\ncassettes, and showing reporters militery orders preventing them from going\nto hot areas to pick pictures and make reports.\n',
'From: jed@pollux.usc.edu (Jonathan DeMarrais)\nSubject: Crypto Conference\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu\n\nI need to know the following information about the upcoming\nCrypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the\nnumber of copies needed. Thanks,\n\t\t\t\tJonathan DeMarrais \n\t\t\t\tjed@pollux.usc.edu\n\n-- \n--- Jay jed@pollux.usc.edu (University of Southern California)\n\nWhat a depressingly stupid machine.\n Marvin\n',
"Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sat, April 3, 1993\nFrom: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie)\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nLines: 373\n\nTampa Bay 1 1 0--2\nPhiladelphia 3 2 1--6\nFirst period\n 1, Philadelphia, Carkner 3 (unassisted) 1:24.\n 2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 9 (Recchi, Lindros) pp, 5:56.\n 3, Philadelphia, Lindros 37 (Recchi, Hawgood) pp, 9:52.\n 4, Tampa Bay, Beers 12 (Zamuner, Chambers) pp, 15:06.\nSecond period\n 5, Tampa Bay, Andersson 13 (Hamrlik, Lafreniere) pp, 1:58.\n 6, Philadelphia, Conroy 3 (Butsayev, Faust) 12:10.\n 7, Philadelphia, Beranek 13 (Galley, Hawgood) pp, 18:53.\nThird period\n 8, Philadelphia, Recchi 51 (Brind'Amour, Galley) pp, 17:56.\n\nPhiladelphia: 6 Power play: 5-4\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBeranek 1 0 1\nBrind'Amour 0 1 1\nButsayev 0 1 1\nCarkner 1 0 1\nConroy 1 0 1\nFaust 0 1 1\nGalley 0 2 2\nHawgood 1 2 3\nLindros 1 1 2\nRecchi 1 2 3\n\nTampa Bay: 2 Power play: 7-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAndersson 1 0 1\nBeers 1 0 1\nChambers 0 1 1\nHamrlik 0 1 1\nLafreniere 0 1 1\nZamuner 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nVancouver 1 0 0--1\nDetroit 2 2 1--5\nFirst period\n 1, Detroit, Kozlov 4 (Fedorov, Chiasson) 5:20.\n 2, Detroit, Drake 17 (Ciccarelli, Coffey) pp, 7:48.\n 3, Vancouver, Ronning 24 (Slegr, Bure) pp, 17:35.\nSecond period\n 4, Detroit, Sheppard 30 (Drake, Hiller) 6:54.\n 5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 38 (Chiasson, Drake) pp, 12:13.\nThird period\n 6, Detroit, Ysebaert 31 (Fedorov, Cheveldae) sh, 4:59.\n\nDetroit: 5 Power play: 5-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nCheveldae 0 1 1\nChiasson 0 2 2\nCiccarelli 1 1 2\nCoffey 0 1 1\nDrake 1 2 3\nFedorov 0 2 2\nHiller 0 1 1\nKozlov 1 0 1\nSheppard 1 0 1\nYsebaert 1 0 1\n\nVancouver: 1 Power play: 6-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBure 0 1 1\nRonning 1 0 1\nSlegr 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nBuffalo 1 1 0--2\nBoston 1 1 1--3\nFirst period\n 1, Buffalo, Audette 12 (Corkum, Wood) 16:40.\n 2, Boston, Juneau 30 (Neely, Oates) 18:39.\nSecond period\n 3, Buffalo, Errey 9 (LaFontaine, Khmylev) 10:51.\n 4, Boston, Douris 3 (D.Sweeney, Bourque) 17:57.\nThird period\n 5, Boston, Donato 12 (unassisted) 17:42.\n\nBoston: 3 Power play: 4-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBourque 0 1 1\nDonato 1 0 1\nDouris 1 0 1\nJuneau 1 0 1\nNeely 0 1 1\nOates 0 1 1\nSweeney D 0 1 1\n\nBuffalo: 2 Power play: 5-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAudette 1 0 1\nCorkum 0 1 1\nErrey 1 0 1\nKhmylev 0 1 1\nLaFontaine 0 1 1\nWood 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nCalgary 1 1 0 1--3\nSan Jose 0 2 0 0--2\nFirst period\n 1, Calgary, Suter 21 (Reichel, MacInnis) pp, 17:47.\nSecond period\n 2, San Jose, Zmolek 5 (Odgers, Evason) 3:03.\n 3, San Jose, Kisio 24 (Garpenlov, Gaudreau) pp, 7:23.\n 4, Calgary, Lindberg 9 (MacInnis) pp, 12:43.\nThird period\n No scoring.\nOvertime\n 5, Calgary, Fleury 31 (Otto, Yawney) 3:06.\n\nCalgary: 3 Power play: 8-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nFleury 1 0 1\nLindberg 1 0 1\nMacInnis 0 2 2\nOtto 0 1 1\nReichel 0 1 1\nSuter 1 0 1\nYawney 0 1 1\n\nSan Jose: 2 Power play: 9-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nEvason 0 1 1\nGarpenlov 0 1 1\nGaudreau 0 1 1\nKisio 1 0 1\nOdgers 0 1 1\nZmolek 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nPittsburgh 0 3 2--5\nQuebec 2 1 0--3\nFirst period\n 1, Quebec, Kamensky 15 (Huffman) 6:05.\n 2, Quebec, Young 27 (Lapointe, Huffman) 16:52.\nSecond period\n 3, Pittsburgh, Mullen 29 (Lemieux, Murphy) 3:54.\n 4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 60 (Tocchet, U.Samuelsson) 5:07.\n 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 61 (Tocchet, Stevens) 8:12.\n 6, Quebec, Young 28 (Sundin, Kovalenko) pp, 14:52.\nThird period\n 7, Pittsburgh, Tippett 4 (unassisted) sh, 3:52.\n 8, Pittsburgh, Tippett 5 (McEachern, Mullen) 8:25.\n\nPittsburgh: 5 Power play: 1-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nLemieux 2 1 3\nMcEachern 0 1 1\nMullen 1 1 2\nMurphy 0 1 1\nSamuelsson U 0 1 1\nStevens 0 1 1\nTippett 2 0 2\nTocchet 0 2 2\n\nQuebec: 3 Power play: 4-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nHuffman 0 2 2\nKamensky 1 0 1\nKovalenko 0 1 1\nLapointe 0 1 1\nSundin 0 1 1\nYoung 2 0 2\n\n-----------------------------------------\nNew Jersey 0 0 0--0\nToronto 0 0 1--1\nFirst period\n No scoring.\nSecond period\n No scoring.\nThird period\n 1, Toronto, Gilmour 32 (Andreychuk, Anderson) 16:22.\n\nToronto: 1 Power play: 5-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nAnderson 0 1 1\nAndreychuk 0 1 1\nGilmour 1 0 1\n\nNew Jersey: 0 Power play: 3-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nOttawa 1 0 2--3\nHartford 5 1 1--7\nFirst period\n 1, Ottawa, Maciver 17 (Baker, Luongo) 4:22.\n 2, Hartford, Kron 11 (Nylander, Gosselin) 5:13.\n 3, Hartford, Burt 4 (Cassels, Verbeek) 7:59.\n 4, Hartford, Cunneyworth 4 (Yake, Nylander) 9:59.\n 5, Hartford, Sanderson 42 (Cassels, Houda) 11:11.\n 6, Hartford, Verbeek 35 (Cassels, Zalapski) pp, 15:50.\nSecond period\n 7, Hartford, Sanderson 43 (Cassels, Zalapski) pp, 18:38.\nThird period\n 8, Hartford, Kron 12 (Poulin, Burt) 4:57.\n 9, Ottawa, Turgeon 23 (Lamb) 8:57.\n 10, Ottawa, Baker 17 (Luongo, Maciver) pp, 16:17.\n\nHartford: 7 Power play: 3-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBurt 1 1 2\nCassels 0 4 4\nCunneyworth 1 0 1\nGosselin 0 1 1\nHouda 0 1 1\nKron 2 0 2\nNylander 0 2 2\nPoulin 0 1 1\nSanderson 2 0 2\nVerbeek 1 1 2\nYake 0 1 1\nZalapski 0 2 2\n\nOttawa: 3 Power play: 7-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBaker 1 1 2\nLamb 0 1 1\nLuongo 0 2 2\nMaciver 1 1 2\nTurgeon 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nWinnipeg 1 3 2--6\nEdmonton 1 0 3--4\nFirst period\n 1, Winnipeg, Tkachuk 27 (Housley, Zhamnov) pp, 14:38.\n 2, Edmonton, Klima 31 (Ciger, Elik) 16:05.\nSecond period\n 3, Winnipeg, King 8 (unassisted) 3:54.\n 4, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 21 (Selanne) 10:25.\n 5, Winnipeg, Domi 5 (Selanne, Housley) 18:44.\nThird period\n 6, Edmonton, Manson 15 (unassisted) 10:58.\n 7, Winnipeg, Eagles 8 (Numminen, Bautin) pp, 14:13.\n 8, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 22 (Ulanov, Selanne) 15:27.\n 9, Edmonton, Gelinas 8 (Kravchuk, Ranford) 16:48.\n 10, Edmonton, Kravchuk 10 (Buchberger) 18:42.\n\nWinnipeg: 6 Power play: 5-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBautin 0 1 1\nDomi 1 0 1\nEagles 1 0 1\nHousley 0 2 2\nKing 1 0 1\nNumminen 0 1 1\nSelanne 0 3 3\nTkachuk 1 0 1\nUlanov 0 1 1\nZhamnov 2 1 3\n\nEdmonton: 4 Power play: 3-0\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBuchberger 0 1 1\nCiger 0 1 1\nElik 0 1 1\nGelinas 1 0 1\nKlima 1 0 1\nKravchuk 1 1 2\nManson 1 0 1\nRanford 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nChicago 0 3 0 0--3\nSt. Louis 1 2 0 0--3\nFirst period\n 1, St. Louis, Shanahan 46 (Janney, Hull) pp, 4:09.\nSecond period\n 2, Chicago, Murphy 4 (Chelios, Roenick) pp, 0:50.\n 3, St. Louis, Shanahan 47 (Hedican, Janney) 1:18.\n 4, Chicago, Noonan 16 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 5:24.\n 5, St. Louis, Bozon 6, ps, 12:13.\n 6, Chicago, Roenick 43 (Sutter, Murphy) pp, 18:39.\nThird period\n No scoring.\nOvertime\n No scoring.\n\nSt. Louis: 3 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 ps: 1 Total: 2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBozon 1 0 1\nChelios 0 1 1\nHedican 0 1 1\nHull 0 1 1\nJanney 0 2 2\nMurphy 0 1 1\nShanahan 2 0 2\n\nChicago: 3 Power play: 3-3\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nChelios 0 2 2\nMurphy 1 2 3\nNoonan 1 0 1\nRoenick 1 1 2\nSutter 0 1 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nMontreal 0 1 2--3\nNY Islanders 0 2 0--2\nFirst period\n No scoring.\nSecond period\n 1, Montreal, Brunet 10 (Carbonneau, Daigneault) 4:39.\n 2, NY Islanders, Turgeon 51 (Thomas, Kurvers) pp, 9:14.\n 3, NY Islanders, Mullen 16 (unassisted) 15:13.\nThird period\n 4, Montreal, Bellows 38 (Desjardins, Dipietro) 3:01.\n 5, Montreal, Damphousse 38 (Desjardins, Bellows) pp, 10:11.\n\nMontreal: 3 Power play: 5-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nBellows 1 1 2\nBrunet 1 0 1\nCarbonneau 0 1 1\nDaigneault 0 1 1\nDamphousse 1 0 1\nDesjardins 0 2 2\nDipietro 0 1 1\n\nNY Islanders: 2 Power play: 5-1\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nKurvers 0 1 1\nMullen 1 0 1\nThomas 0 1 1\nTurgeon 1 0 1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nMinnesota 2 1 0--3\nLos Angeles 0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n 1, Minnesota, Dahlen 33 (unassisted) 2:34.\n 2, Minnesota, Courtnall 33 (Dahlen, Modano) pp, 9:30.\nSecond period\n 3, Minnesota, McPhee 14 (Sjodin, Hatcher) pp, 7:24.\nThird period\n No scoring.\n\nMinnesota: 3 Power play: 11-2\nScorer G A Pts\n--------------- --- --- ---\nCourtnall 1 0 1\nDahlen 1 1 2\nHatcher 0 1 1\nMcPhee 1 0 1\nModano 0 1 1\nSjodin 0 1 1\n\nLos Angeles: 0 Power play: 5-0\nNo scoring\n",
'From: sschaff@roc.slac.stanford.edu (Stephen F. Schaffner)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.47.1993.14396@athos.rutgers.edu>, \nwhheydt@pbhya.pacbell.com (Wilson Heydt) writes:\n\n|> As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT.... How would\n|> you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the\n|> only extant text was written about *now*? Now adjust for a largely\n|> illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is\n|> done by hand....\n\nConsiderably better than I feel about, say, the Punic Wars, or the \nPeloponnesian War (spelling optional), or almost any other event in \nclassical history. How close to the events do you think the oldest \nextent manuscripts are in those cases?\n\n-- \nSteve Schaffner sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu\n\tThe opinions expressed may be mine, and may not be those of SLAC, \nStanford University, or the DOE.\n',
'From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy)\nSubject: Will CS burn or explode\nX-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University\n\tof Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither\n\tcontrol over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nLines: 13\n\nThe FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in\nWaco. CS tear gas is a fine power. Is CS inflammable. Grain dust\nsuspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air\nform an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the\nrapid spread of fire in the compound?\n \nPlease note I am directing all followups to talk.politics.guns\n\n--\nRod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute\nBoulder, CO | for brains is silence.\nrcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short-\nsatellite N0NZO on ao-16 |\n',
"From: ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood)\nSubject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot.\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51uC6.BL1\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 9\n\n\n\tI totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked\nlike a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux \npitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball all \nday. I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. Watching\nthe Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about what\nthe Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he\nstated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til\nSandberg returns!\n",
'From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)\nSubject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 54\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: arno.engin.umich.edu\n\nIn article <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) writes:\n>>A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and\n>>a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than\n>>P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke\n>>Scott\n>\n>For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I\'ve got a Computer Engineering\n>degree, yet I\'ve spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually\n>use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers\n>upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were\n>$7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most\n>interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them.\n>\n>_emt\n\n\tWell here is my $0.02 worth. Advice from a grad student.\n\n\tI agree with the gentlemen who wrote the comment before me.\nThe important thing is pick what ever interest you the most and \nlearn as much as possible about it. \n\n\tIn my five years of education in this field, though brief \ncompare to alot of people, I had to think about this kind of \nquestion a lot. Did I make the right decision in going into\nElectrical Engineering as opposed to Computer engineering or\nCS? The more I go thru school, the more I believe that this\nkind of question is irrelevant. \n \n\tI have come to believe that choosing CS because one \ndoes not like hardware or choosing hardware because one does\nnot like to program is really doing an injustice of building\nand computer and making it useful for something. Everything\nis interwoven and inseparable. CS, CE, and EE are all a \npart of a really great discipline and do depend on each other.\n\n\tMy advice is don\'t limit yourself, but make a decision\nbased on which major will give you the best opportunities to \nlearn. That of course depends on the curriculum at your \npersective school. I would choose a major that allows me to\nexplore as much as possible. Beside, I don\'t know why the\nschool would make a student choose a major before her/his\nsophamore year. \n\n\tHey you may be so interested in this field that you \ndecided to learn all about the making of computers in which \ncase, you suffer a little more and go to grad school.\n\n\tAbout the money. Don\'t look at the averages, if you\nare good, you are going to earn more money than anyone else. \nIf you are a superstar programmer, you will earn millions. \nLike wise if you are a hotshot computer designers. \n\n- Chung Yang\n\n',
'From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Re: Playoff pool entry form\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 45\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nWell, thanks to everyone who has entered so far. There are at least 40\nentries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which\nis 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993! In the interest of fairness,\nsince I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone\nmy picks, so that you all won\'t cry "rigged" after I declare myself the\nwinner. Here they are:\n\n\n\tSeries\t\t\tYour Pick\t\tGames\n\n Division Semifinals\n\nPittsburgh-New Jersey\t\tPittsburgh\t\t5\nWashington-NY Islanders\tNY Islanders\t\t6\n\nBoston-Buffalo\t\t\tBoston\t\t\t5\nQuebec-Montreal\t\t\tQuebec\t\t\t7\n\nChicago-St. Louis\t\tChicago\t\t\t4\nDetroit-Toronto\t\t\tDetroit\t\t\t6\n\nVancouver-Winnipeg\t\tWinnipeg\t\t7\nCalgary-Los Angeles\t\tCalgary\t\t\t7\n\n Division Finals\n\nPatrick\t\t\t\tPittsburgh\t\t6\nAdams\t\t\t\tQuebec\t\t\t7\nNorris\t\t\t\tChicago\t\t\t7\nSmythe\t\t\t\tCalgary\n\n Conference Finals\n\nWales\t\t\t\tPittsburgh\t\t5\nCampbell\t\t\tChicago\t\t\t4\n\n\nStanley Cup winner\t\tPittsburgh\t\t6\n\n--\n Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n "When I want your opinion, I\'ll give it to you." \n',
"From: jon@trust.anu.edu.au (Jon GOUGH)\nSubject: Windows and multiple monitors >10m apart\nOrganization: CSLab, Autralian National Uni.\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.182\n\nHi,\n I am working on gathering data on the way that users use\ncomputers. This involves getting subjects to type and use a \nmouse. I want to be able to watch what they are doing without \nbeing in the same room. It would be ideal if I could watch\nthe session on another monitor without the subjects knowledge.\nI believe that spliting the monitor cable will only work for\nshort distances, ie <5m. I will need to be approx 10m away, as\nthe cable travels.\n The PC's are connected to a TCP\\IP network and run Windows 3.1.\nIs there any software that will allow me to watch what is \nhappening on another PC?\nThanks\nRegards\n Jon Gough\nTRUST Project\n",
'From: slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport"\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 24\n\n\nThe idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I\'m curious to know, do \nthey plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it \nonly going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n\nBTW, anybody planning on shaving Hillary\'s head to look for *666*? 8^)\n\nLater Dave,\nDays\n\n^^^^^^^^\nGoverment logic or just the Clintons?\n\n\n--\n ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | David H. Slack |\n |_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ | Boise Surface Mount Center |\n |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | email: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com |\n | _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ | telnet: 323 4019 |\n |_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _ _/_/ _/ _/ | phone: (208) 323 4019 |\n |------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n | Hewlett-Packard, 11213 Chinden Blvd., Boise Idaho 83714-1023, M/S #625 |\n ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n',
'From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)\nSubject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NH\nOrganization: University of Oulu, Finland\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 24\n\n: you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even "Rexi" in his prime was more\n: of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right,\n: although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf.\n:\nI think that the NY management made a mistake, and remember how Edmonton \ncalled Reksa in the middle of the season to win the cup ? Why did they call\nhim?\n \n: Yeah, we\'ve had a tendency to beat ourselves in the past. I almost knifed my\n: brother in anger when Sweden scored two in the final minute of the WC \n: semifinals back in 1986:-) Or what about the three goals Antero Kivela let in\n: with five minutes to go against the Russkies in Lake Placid\'80? Ugh . . . \n\nO.K., that was BAD luck. If Penguins have the same kind of luck this year in\nthe playoffs, they\'ll never win the cup. They are still the best team.\n\n--\n***********************************************************************\n* \'Howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl* \n* howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh\' *\n* -Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz *\n***********************************************************************\n\t-Marko Poutiainen\n\t mep@phoenix.oulu.fi\n',
"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Final Solution for Gaza ?\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500354:000:5791\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:10:00 1993\nLines: 126\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Final Solution for Gaza ?\n\n\nFinal Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?\n------------------------------------\n\nWhile Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they\nrepress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and\nattempt to starve the Gazans.\n\nThe Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population\ndensity in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks.\nThe Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of\nGaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the\nstrip and seek work in Israel.\n\nWhile Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the\nGhetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help\nthe Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli\nJews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.\n\nThe right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is\nrecognized in international law and by any person with a sense of\njustice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to\nrise up against its tormentors.\n\nAs is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of\nIsraeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are\nconsidered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops\nand fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in\nIsrael. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for\nthe Master Race.\n\nThe Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the\nright to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the\noccupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some\nJewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over\nGaza through Arab collaborators.\n\nAs Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible\nwith basic human rights and international law, that of becoming\nIsraeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for\nself-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish\nsociety does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude\nis consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The\ncurrent policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are\nconsistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister\nYitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask\noneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister\ngoals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution\nup their sleeve ?\n\nI urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever\nthey can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and\npolitical rights, to which they are entitled as human beings.\n\nElias Davidsson Iceland\n\nFrom elias@ismennt.is Fri Apr 23 02:30:21 1993 Received: from\nisgate.is by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 )\n\tid AA00761; Fri, 23 Apr 93 02:30:13 PDT Received: from\nrvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (5.65c8/ISnet/14-10-91); Fri, 23 Apr\n1993 09:29:41 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is\n(16.8/ISnet/11-02-92); Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:30:23 GMT From:\nelias@ismennt.is (Elias Davidsson) Message-Id:\n<9304230930.AA11852@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: no subject (file\ntransmission) To: cpr@igc.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 9:30:22 GMT\nX-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO\n\nFinal Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?\n------------------------------------\n\nWhile Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they\nrepress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and\nattempt to starve the Gazans.\n\nThe Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population\ndensity in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks.\nThe Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of\nGaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the\nstrip and seek work in Israel.\n\nWhile Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the\nGhetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help\nthe Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli\nJews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.\n\nThe right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is\nrecognized in international law and by any person with a sense of\njustice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to\nrise up against its tormentors.\n\nAs is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of\nIsraeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are\nconsidered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops\nand fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in\nIsrael. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for\nthe Master Race.\n\nThe Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the\nright to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the\noccupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some\nJewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over\nGaza through Arab collaborators.\n\nAs Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible\nwith basic human rights and international law, that of becoming\nIsraeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for\nself-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish\nsociety does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude\nis consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The\ncurrent policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are\nconsistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister\nYitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask\noneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister\ngoals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution\nup their sleeve ?\n\nI urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever\nthey can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and\npolitical rights, to which they are entitled as human beings.\n\nElias Davidsson Iceland\n\n",
'From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....")\nSubject: Re: Israel\'s Expansion II\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 67\n\nwaldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:\n> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n> \n> > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:\n> > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n> > > \n> > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the\n> > > > Holocaust. I\'m not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more\n> > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). \n> > > \n> > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one\'s \n> > > "qualifications" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, \n> > > show it. If you don\'t, shut up. Simple as that.\n> > > \n> > > > \tI don\'t think the suffering of some Jews during WWII\n> > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any\n> > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is\n> > > > not appreciated.\n> > > \n> > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were \n> > > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against\n> > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy\n> > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to "cite qualifications" \n> > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go \n> > > back to the minors, junior.\n> > \tAll humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many\n> > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are\n> > so blinded by emotions that they can\'t see the facts. Thanks\n> > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of\n> > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since\n> > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could\n> > write. \n> \n> -----\n> When you\'re willing to actually support something you say with fact or \n> argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned \n> offense, let me know. Otherwise, back to your own league, son.\n I have never seen such immaturity among semitophiles. This\nAndi Beyer character shows no signs of anti semitism, yet\nbecause he deviates from the norm of accepted opinion, you\nattack him. Why did not anyone venture to answer Andi\'s\nquestion in an intelligent and unoffending manner? The only\nones guilty here of not backing up there viewpoints with fact\nare the Israelophiles. Now will we please start having some\nINTELLIGENT conversation? You all are an insult to you race!\n{assuming you are also semitic}\n\tNow I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism\nduring the 1930\'s and 1940\'s. The Hirgun, and other branch -\noff militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of\nPalestine. Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of\nterrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the\nArabs. These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British\nsoldiers, but not only thta also killed many Jews who were in\nfavor of a compromise with the Palestinians. In addition, they\nmassacred an entire Palestinian village in 1948, contributing\nto the exodus of the frightened Palestinians who feared their\nvery lives.\n\tI mention this not because I\'m anti semitic [I\'m part\nJewish] but because this self righteousness on the part of the\nIsraelites pisses me off so. I\'m not as critical of the\nPalestinians because they were indeed screwed over by the\nJews. It \'s a damn shame that the Palestinians had to pay for\nGerman and European anti semitism.\n\n\t\t\t\tPissed off at Immature,\n Closeminded, Self righteous\n\t\t\t\tSemites\n',
"From: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nSubject: Windows Locks up with green lines down the Screen\nReply-To: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 18\n\nHi, I am using a dtk 386-20Mhz 13Meg memory to run a variety of\nprograms, and have had problems off and on with lock up,\nbut now I am trying to run an application that wants a lot of memory\nover a period of time (Playmation 24 bit rendered) and it is \nlocking up Everytime. I have an ATI ultra + w/2Meg which I have\ntried in each of the video modes, I have excluded the region of\nvideo memory from A000-C800 segments from the use of emm386,\nhave tried adjusting the swap partion from large to nonexistant (to\nprevent swapping) and I have REM'd ALL TSR's and utilities in config.syus\nand autoexec, and even tried using the default program manager, disabling\nmy HP dashboard. even with a minimal system, no swap, no smartdrv,\nno TSR's, no windows utilities and exclusion of video regions it still\nlocks up completely (no mouse control, no response to anything except\n3finger salute, and even that does not stop by the standard windows\nscreen, but simply does a full reset immediately). Just about out\nof ideas, anyone out there have any???? Thanks\ntom branham\nbranham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\n",
'From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)\nSubject: Re: Clinton\'s immunization program\nNntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.215912.1807@martha.utcc.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n>In article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:\n>>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C\n>>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling\n>>>>his so called stimulus package.\n>>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free\n>>>>immunizations for poor kids.\n>>>\n>>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to\n>>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents\n>>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.\n>>\n>> In case you haven\'t noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health\n>> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give \n>> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services\n>> delivered to their doorsteps.\n>\n> I\'ve read about more than a few of these programs that ran into\n>problems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even\n>when they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don\'t know, maybe\n>that sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side-\n>effects, and bad reactions scares them.) \n\n The immunization program is just a "useful first step". Among other\n things, the money will go to pay for creating and maintaning a\n a computerized "innoculation" database on all U.S. children.\n (code-named Big Mother... Just kidding, the name will be Children\n Defense Database, or something like that.)\n\n Once the money is spent and little or no tangible results achieved, \n the goverment will have to start knocking down doors, in some \n neigborhoods, and bribe parents in others (probably the ones that \n are paying kids for attending the school - what a fantastic idea!)\n\n>\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\n>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\n>your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\n>love me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDisclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer\'s.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'Subject: Put ex. syquest in Centris 610?\nFrom: kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu\nOrganization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vax2.cstp.umkc.edu\nLines: 17\n\nI remember reading a thread a few days ago that mentioned removing an external\nsyquest drive from its case and dropping it in the internal drive of a Centris.\n. . I was going to do that with my 610, but had a couple of questions. My\nPLI 80M syquest drive has a wire from the drive to an id# switch on the\noutside of the case. Where do I connect this switch?? Can the computer just\n"tell" with internal drives? \n\tI noticed that the drive will lay over part of the motherboard (I\ndidn\'t look closely, but I seem to recall it laying over the ram that\'s\nsoldered onto the motherboard? Would that cause problems?\n\tOne last question! Is there anywhere to order a faceplate cover? \nthe drive\'s front panel is smaller than the space left in the case (the\ndrive\'s panel is the same size as the spotsBM clone\'s cases). Should I just\ncut a hole in the plastic panel that is currently holding tmpty place?\n\nAns are welcomed! Thanks!\nKeith Moffatt\nKMOFFATT@VAX2.CSTP.UMKC.EDU\n',
'From: studner@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (STUDNER ROGER ALAN)\nSubject: Modem for Sale\nNntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 4\n\nI am selling a USR HST 14.4k baud modem with v42bis compression upgrades.\nTHere is no manual, as it was lost going from one side of the U.S. to the other at some point. THe modem is setup for max throughput, and it has built in help, but a quick reference guide on the bottom of it, so its use it not difficult by any means.\nAny offers?\n\n',
"From: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu (Doug Ward)\nSubject: Stealth 24 Video Drivers\nOrganization: State Water Survey\nLines: 14\n\n\nI recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card\nand received the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where\nI can ftp the windows video drivers for the Stealth 24.\nI tried the drivers at cica and they don't work.\nThe right drivers are on the Diamond BBS but the file is almost\n1 meg and it would take a while to download them\nat 2400 baud. Any information would be appreciated. Please\ncontact me at doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu\n\nThank you\n\nDoug Ward\n.\n",
'From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis)\nSubject: **Web of Spiderman--Auction Update**\nSummary: Auction update\nKeywords: High bid at 52.00\nArticle-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.155739.14712\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 30\nNntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n\n\nWeb of Spiderman--Auction List\n\nISSUES #1-92, ANNUALS 1-7\n\nThis set will be auctioned as a complete set (if there is enough interest).\nThe books have been quickly evaluated for grade.\n\nAll books are VF+ to NM unless noted below (These were ascertained when putting\nthe books into new bags with boards (2 books per bag)):\n\n2-small dinks in spine; 4-spine slightly rolled; 5-2 small crease in front\ncover, dinks in spine; 13-slight tear-edge front cover; 14-spine dinged up;\n15-cover/pages crinkled from humidity; 19-crinkled form water damage; 21-cover\nnot flat; 22-shipping smudge on cover; 28-spine dinked up; 30-3 small dinks in\nspine; 33-spine dinks; 35-tiny crease top left corner of cover; 38-dinks in\nspine; 43-paper clip mark; 45- 2 small spine dinks; 47-slight spine roll, spine\ndinks; 52-back cover crease; 92-cover wrinkled; Annual 1-slight spine roll,\ncover marks\n\nCURRENT HIGH BID: 52.00 BIDDER: Jon (jon@tivoli...)\n\nThe successful bidder (assuming there is one) will have the books sent UPS,\nCOD-cash or money order. $6.50 will be added to the total successful bid to\ncover these charges, so bid accordingly.\n\nThanks\n\nMike\n',
'From: HoffmanE@space1.spacenet.jhuapl.edu (Hoffman, Eric J.)\nSubject: Re: Drag free satellites\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <1raee7$b8s@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\n(Ron Baalke) writes:\n>> In answer\n>>to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed\n>>drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, "it\'s only\n>>a concept."\n>\n>SO what\'s a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40?\n\n\n TRIAD, the first drag-free satellite, was designed and built by the \nJohns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and launched 2 Sept 1972. The \nsatellite was in three sections separated by two booms. The central section \nhoused the DISCOS Disturbance Compensation System, which consisted of a proof \nmass of special non-magnetic alloy housed within a spherical cavity. The \nproof mass flew a true gravitational orbit, free from drag and radiation \npressure. Teflon microthrusters kept the body of the satellite centered \naround the proof mass, thereby flying the entire satellite drag free.\n\n TRIAD was one of the APL-designed Navy Navigation Satellites. The \n2nd-generation operational navigation satellites flying today (NOVA) use a \nsingle-axis version of DISCOS. TRIAD was also the sixth APL satellite to be \npowered by an RTG (APL flew the first nuclear power supply in space, in 1961).\n\n Further info on TRIAD, DISCOS, etc. can be found in "Spacecraft Design \nInnovations in the APL Space Department," Johns Hopkins APL Technical Digest, \nVol. 13, No. 1 (1992).\n\n --Eric Hoffman\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nKeywords: Nuclear\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 25\n\nJust to complete that thought, the cooling towers cool water that\ncirculates through heat exchangers that recondense the turbine\nexhaust back into feedwater for the heat exchangers that transfer\nenergy from the reactor's cooling circuit.\n\n\n |---------------| |------turbine, etc---| |---------|\n | > > > > .\nreactor < < < > .\n | > > > > C. T.\n |---------------| |--------------------| |----------\n\nThe reactor has a closed loop circuit to prevent radioactive\ncontamination of the the turbine feedwater.\n\nThe cooling tower is a separate circuit to avoide contamination of\nthe turbine feedwater with atmospheric contamininats, etc.\nPurifying boiler feedwater is important business at both fossil\nfired and nuclear generation facilities.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED\n",
'From: JJMARVIN@pucc.princeton.edu\nSubject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait\nOrganization: Princeton University\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <Apr.15.00.58.22.1993.28891@athos.rutgers.edu>\nruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes:\n \n> One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is\n>when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic.\n>\n>We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again\n>christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to\n>christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were\n>"spiritually hungry." Instead of answering questions with sweetness and\n>sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, "flame" the queries.\n \nAlthough I certainly agree with the basic sentiment that snideness is\nunloving and ineffective, I\'m a little disturbed by the formulation that\nill temper is not a Christian trait. It seems like a false argument to\nsay that anyone who displays trait X must not be a Christian. Could\nwell be a sinning Christian, but a Christian nonetheless.\nAnger is human, and Christians are\nhuman: Christians get angry and defensive and react badly just like\neveryone else. It\'s not perfect righteousness but the effort of seeking\nrighteousness that marks a dedicated Christian. And one of the greatest\ngifts of faith to me is that of seeking and accepting forgiveness for\nmy failures. Expecting flawless behavior from self or others isn\'t\nChristianity: it\'s perfectionism.\n \n',
"From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan)\nSubject: W4WG & Novell\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University\nLines: 23\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: walnut.cps.msu.edu\nOriginator: bilan@walnut.cps.msu.edu\n\nI installed Windows for Workgroups on my network and I'm having problems \nmapping drives in the file-manager.\n\nSituation:\nIf I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access\ndrive f: to log in to Novell. \nIf I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG \ndrives from the file-manager.\n\nIt seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE = \nstatement in my Config.Sys.\n\nI would appreciate any help. It's probably an easy problem that all you \nWindows guru's solved many many moons ago...\n\nThanks,\nTom Bilan\n\n-- \n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\\n$ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $\n$ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $\n$ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $\n",
" wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey\nSubject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass\nFrom: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\n <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> \n <1993Mar30.210423.1302@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1pcnqjINNpon@gap.caltech.edu> <kmr4.1344.733611641@po.CWRU.edu> <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.calte\nOrganization: sgi\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n|> \n|> >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over?\n|> >Because you rarely ever answer them.\n|> \n|> Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple\n|> times.\n\n\tHe: Fifty dollars if I can't answer your question.\n\n\tShe: What is the Big Bang theory.\n\n\tHe: The Big Bang theory is a recipe for cookies.\n\n\tShe: Fifty dollars, please.\n\n\tHe: Hey, I didn't say the answers would make sense.\n\njon.\n",
"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <C5sy1z.4tD@demon.co.uk>, Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n> :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack\n> :has 2^80 possible keys.\n> \n> We don't yet know if all 80 bits count.\n\nThat doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something\nthey can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be\nverified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the\nchip, then try flipping random key bits, and see what happens to the\noutput. We already know what *should* happen -- about half the output\nbits should vary, on average, from a 1-bit key change or input change.\n\nIf they were out to build a weak cryptosystem, it might be the case that\nsome of the bits are much less powerful than others, in the sense that\nthey only enter into the encryption very late in the game. By contrast,\nDES was designed to use each key bit as early as possible; the 50% output\nchange rate appears as early as round 5. Again, though, I don't think\nNSA is going to cheat that crudely; they're likely to get caught.\n\nRemember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see\nthe cryptosystem design. If you assume something DES-like, a biased\nsubkey generation schedule will stick out like a sore thumb. The committee\ncan and should run lots of tests, and retain the output. This can be verified\nlater against the chip. And yes, the civilian community has at least some\nsecure storage facilities that I don't think even NSA can get into without\nit being noticed, until Fort Meade gets its transporter working again.\n(Oops -- I don't think I was supposed to talk about that...) The committee\nmembers can even retain secure copies of the code -- in two halves, which\nyou have to XOR together to recover the program...\n\nSeriously, there are, I think, problems with this whole scheme. But the\npeople who invented it aren't stupid, and they've been in the crypto game\nand the smoke-and-mirrors game far longer than most of us. They're not\ngoing to lie in ways that can be detected easily, since their credibility\nis the *only* thing they can use to sell this system. If they've lied\nabout the civilian committee, no one will believe them about the absence\nof other back doors. If they've lied about the key size, no one will\nbelieve that they haven't copied the programming disk with the U keys.\nIf they've lied about obvious aspects of the strength of the cryptosystem,\nno one will believe the escrow agencies aren't in cahoots with them.\n\nThat isn't to say that they aren't lying about all those other things\nanyway. And I'm certainly not claiming that NSA can't build a cryptosystem\nwith a back door that the committee can't find -- look how long it took\nfor folks to believe that the S-boxes weren't sabotaged. It's entirely\npossible that the committee will release an ambiguous report, for just\nsuch reasons. But that's a subtle point (i.e., one you can't explain to\na Senator...).\n\n> Anyway, its looking like the\n> keys and escrow arrangements are smoke and mirrors to cover the way the NSA\n> can regenerate the key from the transmitted serial number.\n\nI don't like the unit key generation process any better than you do.\nHowever -- S1 and S2 are supposed to be under control of the same\nescrow agents. If they can't be trusted to keep the seed values secure,\nthey can't be trusted to keep the half-keys secure.\n\nI still don't know if or when S1 and S2 change. I thought I had seen\nsomething about them being constant, but I just reread Denning's technical\ninformation post, and it doesn't say anything, one way or the other.\n\n\n\t\t--Steve Bellovin\n",
'From: Gary Keim <gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: X Toolkits\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 32\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C5y8wJ.3zE@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>\n\nExcerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 23-Apr-93 X Toolkits Paul\nPrescod@undergrad.m (1132)\n\n\n> I am getting Linux, so I will have InterViews, but I don\'t know how it\n> will look. I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don\'t\n> know what it looks like either.\n\nIf you\'re on the internet and your site isn\'t sheltered from external\ntcp/ip traffic, you can use the Remote Andrew Demo to see what the\nAndrew Toolkit looks like:\n\nRemote Andrew Demo Service\n\nThis network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit applications\nwithout the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew software. You\nneed a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11\nwindow system. A simple "finger" command will allow you to experience\nATK applications firsthand. You\'ll be able to compose multimedia\ndocuments, navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the\nAndrew Message System to browse through CMU\'s three thousand bulletin\nboards and newsgroups.\n\nTo use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command\non your machine:\n\n finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu\n\nThe service will give you further instructions. \n\nGary Keim\nAndrew Consortium\n',
'From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: Societal basis for morality\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5prv8.5nI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike\nCobb) wrote:\n> we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally mandated morality?\n> Pardon the extremism, but couldn\'t I murder your "brother" and say that I was \n> exercising my rights as I saw them, was doing what felt good, didn\'t want\n> anyone forcing their morality on me, or I don\'t follow your "morality" ?\n\nGood statement! Should we apply empirical measurements to define exact\nsocial morals? Should morals be based on social rules? On ancient\nreligious doctrines? It seems there will *NEVER* be a common and single\ndenominator for defining morals, and as such defining absolute\nand objective morals is doomed to fail as long as humans have \nthis incredible talent of creative thinking.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n',
"From: rtwalker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert T Walker)\nSubject: Memory\nKeywords: memory, simms, hard drive\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nDistribution: oh\nLines: 11\n\n Howdy! I'm just posting this for a friend so don't reply to me!\n\n I have a friend who has some 1x9 SIMMS for sale, 8MB for $250 or 4MB for \n125$. He also has a Conner 170MB hard drive for $250. It runs at 14ms. His name\nis John and he can be reached at his BBS called Classified Connection at \n(614)575-1345, he is the Sysop, and you can call him and hear his awesome voice\nat (614)577-9673.\n Adios\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nthe R, the O, the B, the S-K-I\n",
'From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)\nSubject: Re: Rejetting carbs..\nKeywords: air pump\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <jburney.734756216@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov> jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:\n>\n>If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust\n>pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the\n>exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder. I guess\n>there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out\n>but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the \n>canister. Meaning: would gases "so far" down the line (the canister)\n>really have an effect on the exhaust stroke? Do the gases really \n>compress that much?\n\n For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses\nin the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.\n\n1. Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force\nair into the intake tract is _atmospheric_. At the time the intake\nvalve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only\nthe difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after\nthe exhaust stroke) and atmospheric. As the piston decends on the\nintake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing\natmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract. At no time\ndoes the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good\nvacuum.\n\n2. At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the\ncombustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up\nto the first major flow restriction (the muffler). Note that the volume\nof gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume\nthat must flow through the intake, because of the temperature\ndifference and the products of combustion.\n\n3. In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started\npaying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty\nhorsepower. At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,\nsubstitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost\nzero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very\nwell anyway. Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make\nvery little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is\n_much_ louder than the stocker.\n\n4. On older bikes, exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.\nIf free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference\nwas noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.\n\n5. In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump. At any\ngiven RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it\non the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.\nPumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | "You can\'t wear out |\n| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |\n| \'88 K75S \'48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.|\n| \'75 R90S(#151) \'72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They\'re built like rocks |\n| \'65 R50/2/Velorex \'57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |\n| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It\'s the Harleys that |\n| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief." |\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <ls1v14INNjml@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:\n>\n>Obcountersteer: For some reason, I\'ve discovered that pulling on the\n>wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong\n>side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For\n>example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn \n>right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned\n>over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe\n>I need psychological help.\n\nI told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated\nexplanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean,\nnot to turn. Push the right handlebar "down" (or pull left up or whatever)\nto lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus.\n\nI\'ve bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV\n got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n',
'From: fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Wen-Cheng Fang)\nSubject: INFINITY RS-6903 6"x9" Speakers For Sale (BRAND NEW)\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 23\n\nI have a pair of car speakers for sale. They are BRAND NEW, still in box and \nplastic wrap. I got them at Highland\'s going-out-of-business sale just yesterday\nHowever they won\'t fit my car\'s rear deck because it\'s not the right size.\nSo, I am trying to sale them here.\n\nINFINITY RS-6903 \n6x9 Three-Way\nFreq. Resp. 40-22k Hz\nPower Capacity: 90 Watts per channel\nSensitivity: 93 dB SPL/1W/1m\nImpedance 4 ohms\nMouting Depth 3"\n\nList Price $200\nStereo Store $140-165 + tax\nMail Order Catalog Price $149 + S/H\nMy Price $120 obo + Shipping\n\nPlease e-mail me at fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu\nor call me at (317)743-1394 \n\nMichael Wen-Cheng Fang\n\n',
'From: J.Hale@latrobe.edu.au\nSubject: Re: Can sin "block" our prayers?\nOrganization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <Apr.7.23.20.24.1993.14263@athos.rutgers.edu>, \n\t3225200@qucdn.queensu.ca writes:\n> I have heard an interesting notion that sin can "block" our prayers to God,\n> i.e. God will not hear our prayers if we have not confessed our sins. Now I am\n> totally supportive of confessing our sins before God, but I simply do not\n> believe God will "shut us out" just because we did not confess. This is kind of\n> like the idea that suffering is caused by sin, which, as any Job reader will\n> realize, is too simpilistic.\n{rest deleted}\n\nCan the Father possibly not hear the words of His children.\nOf course He hears all your prayers.\nWhether you are a sinner or a saint, no questions.\nThe real question you should be asking is: "Does sin block OUR hearing His\nanswer?" And the answer to that question is a resounding YES.\nTo paraphrase the gospel "Many are called but few choose to listen"\nand so it is with prayer. \n\n\nIn Christ,\n\nJames\n-- \n_____________________________________________________________________________\nJames Hale \t\t\tLincoln School of Health Sciences\nComputing Unit\t\t\tLa Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA\n \nJames.Hale@Latrobe.Edu.Au\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes,\nand everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder.\nHe can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear,\nand no one who is different from himself."\n\t\t\t\t\t\tText, P 418\n_____________________________________________________________________________\n',
'From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)\nSubject: ACLU policies\nOriginator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com\nOrganization: Storage Technology Corp.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 59\n\nACLU Official Policies.\n\nPolicy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion\npictures: "Industry sponsored ratings systems create the\npotential for constraining the creative process and thus\ncontracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of\nproviding guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings\ninevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of\nexpression."\n\nIn regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its\nPolicy 84: "The insertion of the words `under God\' into the\nPledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional\nprinciple of separation of Church and State."\n\nPolicy 120 states that, "Military conscription under any\ncircumstances is a violation of civil liberties and\nconstitutional guarantees." The ACLU objects to the draft even\nduring wartime because of the "anti-democratic power it gives\ngovernment to wage war without support of the people."\n\nPolicy 125 states, "The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into\nwar crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes\nagainst humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the\nactions of the United States military and other combatants\nagainst the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North\nVietnam."\n\nPolicy 133 states, "The ACLU recognizes that US government\nreliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign\nand domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy,\nis in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of\nadherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of\nour constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount\nthreat to our civil liberties."\n\nPolicy 217 objects to roadblocks "where drivers are stopped for\nsobriety tests" because they "violate Fourth Amendment\nprinciples." \n\nPolicy 242 states the following on criminal\nsentencing: "The most appropriate correctional approach is\nreintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of\nreintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the\noffender within the community than by incarceration. Probation\nshould be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions\nto the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made,\nshould be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder\nor treason."\n\n Bill Vojak\n vojak@icebucket.stortek.com\n\t\t\t\tNRA, ILA,\n Colorado Firearms Coalition\n------------------------------------------------------------\nThe CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!)\nThe CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)\n------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
'From: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (There\'s a seeker born every minute.)\nSubject: -= Hell =-\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 98\n\n\n atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) wrote:\n\n> Here\'s how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell.\n\n>ME:\t"Do you believe you\'re going to Heaven?"\n>HIM:\t"I don\'t believe in Heaven."\n>ME:\t"So are you going there?"\n>HIM:\t"If there was a heaven, I would."\n>ME:\t"But since there isn\'t a Heaven, you\'re not going there, are you?"\n>HIM:\t"No."\n\n> The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don\'t believe in heaven,\n>there\'s no way you\'re going to be in it.\n\n Hmmm... people in the americas before the time of Christ, children who\ndie young, etc. ?\n\n\n> Of course, the next step is, "I don\'t believe in Hell either, so why will I\n>be there?" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God.\n\n\n But of course, the popular conception of hell (correct or incorrect) is\nsomething akin to eternal perpetuation of consciousness, at the very least.\n\n\n>Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never\n>see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they\'re going to Hell.\n\n I think a good number of atheists believe there is nothing beyond \nbodily death, but it is simply an abuse of language to say they believe\nthey\'re going to hell. They believe they\'re going to _die_. Understand\nthat you\'ve turned Hell into a verb. Using the same logic, it also follows\nthat all animals are \'going to Hell.\' Are you sure this is what you want\nto say? (presumably animals don\'t have the opportunity to get to heaven,\nbut this still doesn\'t change the fact that they\'re going to Hell (die\na final death))\n\n I don\'t claim to know whether or not there is an afterlife of _some_\nsort, but if Hell is as you described (final death, and\nnot eternal perpetuation of consciousness) it will be true that\nthere will never be a moment when I am aware of my non-existence. \n(assuming I \'go to Hell\' and not to Heaven) In other words, I\'ll\nnever know I\'m dead. Hmmm... \n\n\n> Hell doesn\'t have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it\'s eternal,\n\n Ever hear people say of a loved one who was ill, and has died:\n "At least she\'s not suffering any more; She\'s in Heaven now." ?\n\n Consider the following statement:\n "At least she\'s not suffering any more; She\'s in Hell now."\n\n The above statement sounds odd, but according to your definition of Hell, \nit would be a true statement. The person in Hell would not be suffering. \nGranted, they wouldn\'t be *anything* (wouldn\'t be having any\nconscious experience whatsoever). \n\n You say Hell (death) is eternal. However, this loses its meaning \nto a dead person. And to me, it seems that the threat of some sort \nof eternal punishment only makes sense/has force if one expects to\nbe conscious throughout this eternity. \n\n Many atheists believe that the thirst for an afterlife is simply the\nproduct of propaganda ("Friend, do you want the FREE gift of e-ternal life?"\nIt\'s my understanding that the early jews did not believe in an afterlife.\nCan anyone back me up on this?) combined with the survival instinct all\nanimals share. The difference is we have consciousness, and once we get the\nidea of eternal life drilled into our brains, we then desire a sort of\nsuper-survival. \n\n \n>and it\'s a lot worse than Heaven. That\'s the only comparison that matters.\n\n That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and \nan eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King,\nI might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to\nconvert Eskimos to Christianity in the book _The Illusion of Immortality_\nby Corliss Lamont. The missionary started to speak about Heaven. \n"Are there seals in heaven? Will we be able to go hunting?" asked an\nEskimo. The missionary said no. The group of Eskimos then said something\nto the effect of, "Well what good is your Heaven if there\'s no hunting?\nScram." I highly recommend the above book (IOI) to anyone who wants an\naccount of the other side of the immortality coin (that there is no \nimmortality). \n\n\n>Alan Terlep\t\t\t\t "Incestuous vituperousness"\n>Oakland University, Rochester, MI\t\t\t\n>atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu\t\t\t\t --Melissa Eggertsen\n>Rushing in where angels fear to tread.\t\t\n\n\n Pax,\n\n Dana\n',
"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nOrganization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:\n>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and\n>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish\n>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up\n>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and\n>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know\n>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but\n>humor us. Thanks for your help.\n\nWasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit\nby a Designated Hitter, Jewish??\n-- \nscott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell):\nscott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <<!\n | subscribe\n Let's Go Mets! | !\n",
'From: texx@ossi.com (Robert "Texx" Woodworth)\nSubject: Re: CA\'s pedophilia laws\nOrganization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.\nLines: 54\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com\n\n#1\n\nClayton, my man...\n\nYou are a tad out of touch....\n\nFirst, gay comunities all over the country are in the process of excluding NAMBLA\nfrom parades etc.\n\n#2\n\nNobody from NAMBLA is gonna get a job in a day care centre. The same liberals you are\nupset about are also passing laws that make tough background checks for childcare\npeople.\n\n#3\n\nTell me, how would you feel if your employer fired you for your antigay post on the\ninternet? Would you be upset ? I`ll bet you would be pissed!\nTo some, your posts ,ight make the company look bad.\nWhile your posts offend me I dont think it would be right for you to get fired over\nit.\n\nI dont believe the gay comunity is asking for hiring quotas like the affirmative\naction laws of the 60\'s did.\nMy understanding is that the gay community just wants the same rights the srtraights\nhave. I dont think people should have their leases cancelled when their landlord\nfinds out they are gay. I dont think that when someone sees someone walk out of\na gay business and then blabs it all over work that the gay person gets fired.\nDo you REALLY think these are justified ?\n\n#4\n\nClayton, I am told you are a parent a couple times over.\nHave you been following the strip in the paper "For Better or For Worse" ?\n\nI honestly want your opinion as a parent on the strip. \n\nDo you really care about your childeren\nas much as friends of mine tell me ? How much do you care about your childeren ?\nHow much do you care about other people\'s childeren? Do you care about MY childeren?\nDo you care about my sister\'s childeren ?\n\nIf one of your kids told you he/she was gay, would you throw them out of your home\nin the middle of the night?\n\nWould you approve of your childeren driving down to San Francisco to trow bottles\nat and beat up on gay people? Would you condone your childeren beating up on someone\nelses childeren ?\n\n\nI await your answers to these queastions. PLease no flaming...\nThis is to be a civilised discussion, from one father to another.\n\n',
'From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)\nSubject: Re: Point within a polygon\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu\nKeywords: point, polygon\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk>, scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:\n|> I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a \n|> polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing\n|> information on the subject ?\n|> \n|> \t\tRegards\n|> \n|> \t\t\tSimon\n\nBasically, there are two algorithms determining whether a point is inside,\noutside or on the polygon. The first one is Ray (or half line) method. In\nthis method, you can draw any ray, if the number of the intersection point\nof the ray and the polygon is even, then it is outside. If the number is odd,\nthen it is inside. Of cause, you have to deal with the special cases which\nmay make you headache.\n\nThe second method is PI algorithm. Draw the lines between the point and\nall the vertices on the polygon. Calculate and sum the angles of the\nsuccessive lines. If the result is 2*PI, then it is inside. If PI, then\nit is on the polygon. Otherwise it is outside.\n\nMy experience tells the second method is relible.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nYeh\nUSC\n',
'From: DKELO@msmail.pepperdine.edu (Dan Kelo)\nSubject: M-81 Supernova\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 7\n\n\nHow \'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81?\nI might just break out the scope for this one.\n____________________________________________________\n"No sir, I don\'t like it! "-- Mr. Horse\nDan Kelo dkelo@pepvax.pepperdine.edu\n____________________________________________________\n',
'From: bell@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Bell)\nSubject: Re: Info/Opinions Wanted on Cars In this Article\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu\nOrganization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.182100.26650@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:\n>In article <49071@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes:\n>>\n>>I\'m in the market for a new car. Currently I own a \'90 Mazda MX-6 DX\n>>which has served me just fine. However, I\'d like to get\n>>a 4-door car since I don\'t relish the thought of moving a carseat\n>>around in a 2-door car. My criteria are: 4-door, a/c, am/fm cassette,\n>>quick acceleration, cruise control, decent rear seat legroom (my\n>>husband is a 6-footer). It must also be under $20k\n>>preferably closer to the 11-15k range (which will probably rule out\n>>the Accord). The \'93 cars that have caught my eye are: Toyota Corolla, \n>>Toyata Camry, Mazda 626, Pontiac Grand Am, Pontiac Grand Prix, \n>>Honda Accord, (and Civic if it\'s roomy enough and still comes in a \n>>4-door model), Hyundai Sonata, and maybe even a small Oldsmobile, \n>>although not the Achieva. All opinions, benchmarks,\n>>recommendations, etc. are welcome.\n>\n>I really wouldn\'t consider the Grand Am/Achevia/Skylark (all the same)\n>since they are very bad in frontal collsions and don\'t have any\n>other really outstanding qualities.\n>\n>john\n>-- \n\nI really must object to that last statement. Having a lot of experience\nwith a \'92 Grand Am coupe, I can firmly state that they do have a lot of\noutstanding qualities. Very reliable throughout. Great layout of controls\nand components. Very roomy considering the exterior size of the car. They \nlook sharp inside and out. The V6 that I drive has exceptional power and \ndrivability compared to other similar cars that I have driven.\n\nAll in all, it\'s a fun-to-drive, dependable, and reasonably priced vehicle.\nPlease don\'t knock it with a statement like that unless you back it up with\nspecific reasons why you feel that way.\n\nRob\nbell@plains.nodak.edu\n\n\n>John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __\t\n>"To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\\ __ \\ /\\ ___\\ /\\ \\/\\ \\\n>something that happened to other people, \\ \\ \\/\\ \\\\ \\___ \\\\ \\ \\_\\ \\\n>wasn\'t it?" - The Black Adder \\ \\_____\\\\/\\_____\\\\ \\_____\\\n\n\n',
'From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 12/15 - Controversial Questions\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\nArticle-I.D.: cs.controversy_733694426\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:00:26 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 252\nSupersedes: <controversy_730956589@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\n\nArchive-name: space/controversy\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:06 $\n\nCONTROVERSIAL QUESTIONS\n\n These issues periodically come up with much argument and few facts being\n offered. The summaries below attempt to represent the position on which\n much of the net community has settled. Please DON\'T bring them up again\n unless there\'s something truly new to be discussed. The net can\'t set\n public policy, that\'s what your representatives are for.\n\n\n WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SATURN V PLANS\n\n Despite a widespread belief to the contrary, the Saturn V blueprints\n have not been lost. They are kept at Marshall Space Flight Center on\n microfilm.\n\n The problem in re-creating the Saturn V is not finding the drawings, it\n is finding vendors who can supply mid-1960\'s vintage hardware (like\n guidance system components), and the fact that the launch pads and VAB\n have been converted to Space Shuttle use, so you have no place to launch\n from.\n\n By the time you redesign to accommodate available hardware and re-modify\n the launch pads, you may as well have started from scratch with a clean\n sheet design.\n\n\n WHY DATA FROM SPACE MISSIONS ISN\'T IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE\n\n Investigators associated with NASA missions are allowed exclusive access\n for one year after the data is obtained in order to give them an\n opportunity to analyze the data and publish results without being\n "scooped" by people uninvolved in the mission. However, NASA frequently\n releases examples (in non-digital form, e.g. photos) to the public early\n in a mission.\n\n\n RISKS OF NUCLEAR (RTG) POWER SOURCES FOR SPACE PROBES\n\n There has been extensive discussion on this topic sparked by attempts to\n block the Galileo and Ulysses launches on grounds of the plutonium\n thermal sources being dangerous. Numerous studies claim that even in\n worst-case scenarios (shuttle explosion during launch, or accidental\n reentry at interplanetary velocities), the risks are extremely small.\n Two interesting data points are (1) The May 1968 loss of two SNAP 19B2\n RTGs, which landed intact in the Pacific Ocean after a Nimbus B weather\n satellite failed to reach orbit. The fuel was recovered after 5 months\n with no release of plutonium. (2) In April 1970, the Apollo 13 lunar\n module reentered the atmosphere and its SNAP 27 RTG heat source, which\n was jettisoned, fell intact into the 20,000 feet deep Tonga Trench in\n the Pacific Ocean. The corrosion resistant materials of the RTG are\n expected to prevent release of the fuel for a period of time equal to 10\n half-lives of the Pu-238 fuel or about 870 years [DOE 1980].\n\n To make your own informed judgement, some references you may wish to\n pursue are:\n\n A good review of the technical facts and issues is given by Daniel\n Salisbury in "Radiation Risk and Planetary Exploration-- The RTG\n Controversy," *Planetary Report*, May-June 1987, pages 3-7. Another good\n article, which also reviews the events preceding Galileo\'s launch,\n "Showdown at Pad 39-B," by Robert G. Nichols, appeared in the November\n 1989 issue of *Ad Astra*. (Both magazines are published by pro-space\n organizations, the Planetary Society and the National Space Society\n respectively.)\n\n Gordon L Chipman, Jr., "Advanced Space Nuclear Systems" (AAS 82-261), in\n *Developing the Space Frontier*, edited by Albert Naumann and Grover\n Alexander, Univelt, 1983, p. 193-213.\n\n "Hazards from Plutonium Toxicity", by Bernard L. Cohen, Health Physics,\n Vol 32 (may) 1977, page 359-379.\n\n NUS Corporation, Safety Status Report for the Ulysses Mission: Risk\n Analysis (Book 1). Document number is NUS 5235; there is no GPO #;\n published Jan 31, 1990.\n\n NASA Office of Space Science and Applications, *Final Environmental\n Impact Statement for the Ulysses Mission (Tier 2)*, (no serial number or\n GPO number, but probably available from NTIS or NASA) June 1990.\n\n [DOE 1980] U.S. Department of Energy, *Transuranic Elements in the\n Environment*, Wayne C. Hanson, editor; DOE Document No. DOE/TIC-22800;\n Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., April 1980.)\n\n\n IMPACT OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE ON THE OZONE LAYER\n\n From time to time, claims are made that chemicals released from\n the Space Shuttle\'s Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) are responsible\n for a significant amount of damage to the ozone layer. Studies\n indicate that they in reality have only a minute impact, both in\n absolute terms and relative to other chemical sources. The\n remainder of this item is a response from the author of the quoted\n study, Charles Jackman.\n\n The atmospheric modelling study of the space shuttle effects on the\n stratosphere involved three independent theoretical groups, and was\n organized by Dr. Michael Prather, NASA/Goddard Institute for Space\n Studies. The three groups involved Michael Prather and Maria Garcia\n (NASA/GISS), Charlie Jackman and Anne Douglass (NASA/Goddard Space\n Flight Center), and Malcolm Ko and Dak Sze (Atmospheric and\n Environmental Research, Inc.). The effort was to look at the effects\n of the space shuttle and Titan rockets on the stratosphere.\n\n The following are the estimated sources of stratospheric chlorine:\n\n Industrial sources: 300,000,000 kilograms/year\n\t Natural sources: 75,000,000 kilograms/year\n\t Shuttle sources:\t 725,000 kilograms/year\n\n The shuttle source assumes 9 space shuttles and 6 Titan rockets are\n launched yearly. Thus the launches would add less than 0.25% to the\n total stratospheric chlorine sources.\n\n The effect on ozone is minimal: global yearly average total ozone would\n be decreased by 0.0065%. This is much less than total ozone variability\n associated with volcanic activity and solar flares.\n\n The influence of human-made chlorine products on ozone is computed\n by atmospheric model calculations to be a 1% decrease in globally\n averaged ozone between 1980 and 1990. The influence of the space shuttle and\n Titan rockets on the stratosphere is negligible. The launch\n schedule of the Space Shuttle and Titan rockets would need to be\n increased by over a factor of a hundred in order to have about\n the same effect on ozone as our increases in industrial halocarbons\n do at the present time.\n\n Theoretical results of this study have been published in _The Space\n Shuttle\'s Impact on the Stratosphere_, MJ Prather, MM Garcia, AR\n Douglass, CH Jackman, M.K.W. Ko and N.D. Sze, Journal of Geophysical\n Research, 95, 18583-18590, 1990.\n\n Charles Jackman, Atmospheric Chemistry and Dynamics Branch,\n Code 916, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center,\n Greenbelt, MD 20771\n\n Also see _Chemical Rockets and the Environment_, A McDonald, R Bennett,\n J Hinshaw, and M Barnes, Aerospace America, May 1991.\n\n\n HOW LONG CAN A HUMAN LIVE UNPROTECTED IN SPACE\n\n If you *don\'t* try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a\n minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your\n breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to\n watch out for when ascending, and you\'ll have eardrum trouble if your\n Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal\n experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no\n immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do\n not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness.\n\n Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly "the bends", certainly some\n [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue)\n start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from\n lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes,\n you\'re dying. The limits are not really known.\n\n References:\n\n _The Effect on the Chimpanzee of Rapid Decompression to a Near Vacuum_,\n Alfred G. Koestler ed., NASA CR-329 (Nov 1965).\n\n _Experimental Animal Decompression to a Near Vacuum Environment_, R.W.\n Bancroft, J.E. Dunn, eds, Report SAM-TR-65-48 (June 1965), USAF School\n of Aerospace Medicine, Brooks AFB, Texas.\n\n\n HOW THE CHALLENGER ASTRONAUTS DIED\n\n The Challenger shuttle launch was not destroyed in an explosion. This is\n a well-documented fact; see the Rogers Commission report, for example.\n What looked like an explosion was fuel burning after the external tank\n came apart. The forces on the crew cabin were not sufficient to kill the\n astronauts, never mind destroy their bodies, according to the Kerwin\n team\'s medical/forensic report.\n\n The astronauts were killed when the more-or-less intact cabin hit the\n water at circa 200MPH, and their bodies then spent several weeks\n underwater. Their remains were recovered, and after the Kerwin team\n examined them, they were sent off to be buried.\n\n\n USING THE SHUTTLE BEYOND LOW EARTH ORBIT\n\n You can\'t use the shuttle orbiter for missions beyond low Earth orbit\n because it can\'t get there. It is big and heavy and does not carry\n enough fuel, even if you fill part of the cargo bay with tanks.\n\n Furthermore, it is not particularly sensible to do so, because much of\n that weight is things like wings, which are totally useless except in\n the immediate vicinity of the Earth. The shuttle orbiter is highly\n specialized for travel between Earth\'s surface and low orbit. Taking it\n higher is enormously costly and wasteful. A much better approach would\n be to use shuttle subsystems to build a specialized high-orbit\n spacecraft.\n\n [Yet another concise answer by Henry Spencer.]\n\n\n THE "FACE ON MARS"\n\n There really is a big rock on Mars that looks remarkably like a humanoid\n face. It appears in two different frames of Viking Orbiter imagery:\n 35A72 (much more facelike in appearance, and the one more often\n published, with the Sun 10 degrees above western horizon) and 70A13\n (with the Sun 27 degrees from the west).\n\n Science writer Richard Hoagland has championed the idea that the Face is\n artificial, intended to resemble a human, and erected by an\n extraterrestrial civilization. Most other analysts concede that the\n resemblance is most likely accidental. Other Viking images show a\n smiley-faced crater and a lava flow resembling Kermit the Frog elsewhere\n on Mars. There exists a Mars Anomalies Research Society (sorry, don\'t\n know the address) to study the Face.\n\n The Mars Observer mission will carry an extremely high-resolution\n camera, and better images of the formation will hopefully settle this\n question in a few years. In the meantime, speculation about the Face is\n best carried on in the altnet group alt.alien.visitors, not sci.space or\n sci.astro.\n\n V. DiPeitro and G. Molenaar, *Unusual Martian Surface Features*, Mars\n Research, P.O. Box 284, Glen Dale, Maryland, USA, 1982. $18 by mail.\n\n R.R. Pozos, *The Face of Mars*, Chicago Review Press, 1986. [Account of\n an interdisciplinary speculative conference Hoagland organized to\n investigate the Face]\n\n R.C. Hoagland, *The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever*,\n North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, California, USA, 1987. [Elaborate\n discussion of evidence and speculation that formations near the Face\n form a city]\n\n M.J. Carlotto, "Digital Imagery Analysis of Unusual Martian Surface\n Features," *Applied Optics*, 27, pp. 1926-1933, 1987. [Extracts\n three-dimensional model for the Face from the 2-D images]\n\n M.J. Carlotto & M.C. Stein, "A Method of Searching for Artificial\n Objects on Planetary Surfaces," *Journal of the British Interplanetary\n Society*, Vol. 43 no. 5 (May 1990), p.209-216. [Uses a fractal image\n analysis model to guess whether the Face is artificial]\n\n B. O\'Leary, "Analysis of Images of the `Face\' on Mars and Possible\n Intelligent Origin," *JBIS*, Vol. 43 no. 5 (May 1990), p. 203-208.\n [Lights Carlotto\'s model from the two angles and shows it\'s consistent;\n shows that the Face doesn\'t look facelike if observed from the surface]\n\n\nNEXT: FAQ #13/15 - Space activist/interest/research groups & space publications\n',
'From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block)\nSubject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\nArticle-I.D.: reed.1993Apr20.230749.12821\nOrganization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <sehari.735331566@marge.ecss.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:\n>---\n>\n>I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how\n>effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area?\n>\n> With highest regards,\n> Babak Sehari.\n\n\tUh oh...\n\tUmm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve\nmodifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c.\n\tAll of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have\nbeen successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new\nways to "crack" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact\nis, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or\nless difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked.\n\tI guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not\nimpossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good\none for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying\nto crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions,\nassuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea,\nlegally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of\nfiles which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy\nprotected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for\npractical applications, and are merely curious?\n\tPlease clear up those questions, and I\'ll try to help as much as I\ncan.\n\n\tIncidentally, the "Uh oh..." at the top is indicative of the dread\nanyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels\nwhen they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with\ndangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it\n(from one side or the other.)\n\nMatt\n',
'From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:\n>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:\n>\n> The Israelis\n> used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters.\n>\n>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral\n>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?\n>\n>--Amos\n>\nActually, I\'m still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale\nbehind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza.\n\n--\nTim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student\nUCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society\n fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine\nHome tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717\n',
'From: abarden@tybse1.uucp (Ann Marie Barden)\nSubject: X-Terminal Config. file question\nOrganization: Tybrin Corporation, Shalimar, FL\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 19\n\n QUESTION:\n What is the EXACT entry (parameter and syntax please), in the X-Terminal\nconfiguration file (loaded when the X-Terminal boots), to add another system \nto the TCP/IP access control list? \n\n BACKGROUND:\n I have two unix systems, 1. an AT&T 3B2 running X11R3 and MIT\'s X11R4 and \n2. a Sun SS10 without any X. \n I want to have a window to the Sun and the 3B2 on the NCD X-Terminal at the\nsame time. I can do this if I manually set the Network Parameter TCP/IP\nAccess Control List to off, then login to my telnet session. Not Great! \n I\'ve tried to get "xhost" to work and failed. Either my syntax is wrong\nor the X11R3 implementation is bogus. \n I am trying to edit the NCD configuration file that is loaded when the \nNCD boots. No matter what entry I add or edit, the NCD still boots with\nthe TCP/IP Access Control list containing only the 3B2.\n My manuals are worthless so any help would be most appreciated!! Thanks!\n\nAnn Marie Barden \tabarden@afseo.eglin.af.mil\n',
'From: mogal@deadhead.asd.sgi.com (Joshua Mogal)\nSubject: Re: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?))\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.\nLines: 123\nNNTP-Posting-Host: deadhead.asd.sgi.com\n\n|> My\n|> comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other\n|> vendors\n|> that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI.\n\nOpenGL is a graphics programming library and as such is a great, portable\ninterface for the development of interactive 3D graphics applications. It\nis not, however, an indicator of performance, as that will vary strongly\nfrom machine to machine and vendor to vendor. SGI is committed to high\nperformance interactive graphics systems and software tools, so OpenGL\nmeans that you can port easily from SGI to other platforms, there is no\nguarantee that your performance would be comparable.\n\n|> \n|> What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that\n|> we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the\n|> Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck.\n\nIf your sales representative truly mislead you, then you should have a\nvalid grievance against us which you should carry up to your local SGI\nsales management team. Feel free to contact the local branch manager...we\nunderstand that repeat sales come from satisfied customers, so give it a\nshot.\n\n|> \n|> I\'m also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a\n|> previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around\n|> for a while, rather than being flushed.\n\nAs one of the previous posts stated, the Personal IRIS was introduced in\n1988 and grew to include the 4D/20, 4D/25, 4D/30 and 4D/35 as clock rates\nsped up over time. As a rule of thumb, SGI platforms live for about 4-5\nyears. This was true of the motorola-based 3000 series (\'85-\'89), the PI\n(\'88-\'93), the Professional Series (the early 4D\'s - \'86-\'90), the Power\nSeries parallel systems (\'88-\'93). Individual CPU subsystems running at a\nparticular clock rate usually live for about 2 years. New graphics\narchitectures at the high end (GT, VGX, RealityEngine) are released every\n18 months to 2 years.\n\nThese are the facts of life. If we look at these machines, they become\nalmost archaic after four years, and we have to come out with a new\nplatform (like Indigo, Onyx, Challenge) which has higher bus bandwidths,\nfaster CPUs, faster graphics and I/O, and larger disk capacities. If we\ndon\'t, we become uncompetitive.\n\nFrom the user perspective, you have to buy a machine that meets your\ncurrent needs and makes economic sense today. You can\'t wait to buy, but\nif you need a guaranteed upgrade path for the machine, ask the Sales Rep\nfor one in writing. If it\'s feasible, they should be able to do that. Some\nof our upgrade paths have specific programs associated with them, such as\nthe Performance Protection Program for older R3000-based Power Series\nmultiprocessing systems which allowed purchasers of those systems to obtain\na guaranteed upgrade price for moving to the new Onyx or Challenge\nR4400-based 64-bit multiprocessor systems.\n\n|> \n|> Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to\n|> keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself\n|> pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books\n|> just before the end of the quarter), but I\'m just a little tired of\n|> getting boned in the process.\n|> \n\nIf that\'s happening, it\'s becausing of misunderstandings or\nmis-communication, not because SGI is directly attempting to annoy our\ncustomer base.\n\n|> Maybe it\'s because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we\n|> aren\'t entitled to a "peek under the covers" as the Big Kids (NASA,\n|> for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs\n|> and organizations, doesn\'t have a load of money to spend on computers\n|> every year, so we can\'t be out buying new systems on a regular basis.\n\nMost SGI customers are onesy-twosey types, but regardless, we rarely give a\ngreat deal of notice when we are about to introduce a new system because\nagain, like a previous post stated, if we pre-announced and the schedule\nslipped, we would mess up our potential customers schedules (when they were\ncounting on the availability of the new systems on a particular date) and\nwould also look awfully bad to both our investors and the financial\nanalysts who watch us most carefully to see if we are meeting our\ncommitments.\n\n|> The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the\n|> entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That\n|> means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I\n|> have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one\n|> previous poster\'s words, \'to fill a niche\' to compete with some other\n|> vendor. I\'m going to be looking at this box for the next five years.\n|> And every time I look at it, I\'m going to think about SGI and how I\n|> could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we\'re\n|> supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars).\n|> \n\nFive years is an awfully long time in computer years. New processor\ntechnologies are arriving every 1-2 years, making a 5 year old computer at\nleast 2 and probably 3 generations behind the times. The competitive nature\nof the market is demanding that rate of development, so if your timing is\nreally 5 years between purchases, you have to accept the limited viability\nof whatever architecture you buy into from any vendor.\n\nThere are some realities about the computer biz that we all have to live\nwith, but keeping customers happy is the most important, so don\'t give up,\nwe know it.\n\nJosh |:-)\n\n-- \n\n\n**************************************************************************\n**\t\t\t\t **\t\t\t\t\t**\n**\tJoshua Mogal\t\t **\tProduct Manager\t\t\t**\n**\tAdvanced Graphics Division **\t Advanced Graphics Systems\t**\n**\tSilicon Graphics Inc.\t **\tMarket Manager\t\t\t**\n**\t2011 North Shoreline Blvd. **\t Virtual Reality\t\t**\n**\tMountain View, CA 94039-7311 **\t Interactive Entertainment\t**\n**\tM/S 9L-580\t\t **\t\t\t\t\t**\n**\t\t\t\t *************************************\n**\tTel:\t(415) 390-1460\t\t\t\t\t\t**\n**\tFax:\t(415) 964-8671\t\t\t\t\t\t**\n**\tE-mail:\tmogal@sgi.com\t\t\t\t\t\t**\n**\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t**\n**************************************************************************\n',
"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards)\nDistribution: world\nSubject: Re: What's the diff.between mouse.sys/com??\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nOrganization: private COHERENT system\nLines: 20\n\nx90sanson@gw.wmich.edu wrote:\n> What's the difference between loading mouse.com in autoexec.bat and\n> doing device=mouse.sys in config.sys??\n\nThe only difference is the time the driver gets loaded. mouse.sys will be\nloaded during the config.sys and therefor before the command.com. mouse.com\nwill be loaded during autoexec.bat and so after the command.com.\n\n> which one is better?\n\nmouse.com could be started from the commandline after the booting and it\ncould - perhaps - be unloaded, if no other driver is loaded after it.\nThe working of both drivers is totally the same.\n\nWhen I ran dos, I preferred loading most of the drivers in autoexec.bat,\nbecause some programs won't run with some drivers and I could choose the\nones I needed during startup. But with DRDOS6, this advantage is gone,\nbecause DRDOS lets you choose in config.sys which drivers should be loaded.\n\nMichael\n--\n* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 *\n * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 *\n",
'From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:\n>Atoms are not objective. They aren\'t even real. What scientists call\n>an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes \n>certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All\n>of which is subjective. \n>\n>-jim halat\n\nThis deserves framing. It really does. "[Atoms] aren\'t even real."\n\nTell me then, those atoms we have seen with electron microscopes are\natoms now, so what are they? Figments of our imaginations? The\nevidence that atoms are real is overwhelming, but I won\'t bother with\nmost evidence at the moment.\n-- \n***************************************************************************\n* mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu * Never program and drink beer at the same *\n* M^2 * time. It doesn\'t work. *\n***************************************************************************\n',
"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Re: Israel's Expansion II\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n The comparison of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust\nis insulting and completely false. Any person making such a rude\nand false comparison is either ignorant of the Holocaust, or also\nignorant of the situation in the mideast, or is an anti-semite.\n\n To compare a complicated political situation with the genocide\nof 6,000,000 Jews is racist in and of itself.\n\n",
"From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us\nSubject: [ For Sale ] EMS Freq. Shifter\nReply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us\nOrganization: Indescribable Creations\nLines: 20\n\nThis is yet for a friend again.\n\nEMS Freq. Shifter. (The machine that made those 3-D swirling guitar effects\n way back in the 70's.)\n\nSpacial panner with harmonic shifting. Very rare - A collectors Item. This\nis the last unit EMS ever made. Rack mountable. Mono in, Up/Down signals out\nwith seperate Pan out and sine/unsine voltage outs. VCO input too to control\nLFO. If interested contact Kevin before 9 pm PST (California) at 818-362-7883\nand make an offer.\n\nDo not reply to this account.\n\nHave a nice day\n\n__________________________________________________________________________\n | / |\\\n | H E \\ Y B E R |/ E N [ xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]\n\n The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415/472-5527\n",
'Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah\'s Witnesses (good grief!)\nFrom: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <66018@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n\n>The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the\n>true position of reason in this group.\n\n\tI agree, we spend too much energy on the nonexistance of God.\n\n--\n\n\n "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. \n They do what god tells them to do. "\n\n S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) \n',
'From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 49\n\nR1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:\n\n>In article <C5Lz30.Jus@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\n>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n> \n>>laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) writes:\n>>\n>>>From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker):\n>>>>\n>>\n>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.\n>>>> Any gold trim.\n>>\n>>>\tThese, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake\n>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it\'s sad watching those little old ladies\n>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion\n>>>in the way.\n>>>\tMost pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with\n>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*.\n>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...\n>>\n>>\tI have seen a cutlass Supreme coupe (GM10) with a vinyl roof, ditto\n>>a Taurus. Shoot the owners, NOW, before it\'s too late.\n>>\n> It gets better. I\'ve seen them on a 4-door escort, Chevy S-10\n>Blazer, and even a Chevy astro mini-van. A mini-van w/ a fake\n>convertible top is not something you want to see just after eating!\n> \n\n\tAnd better yet..There\'s a chevette in town with wire crome wheels,\nvinyl roof, tacky paint job and a continental spare (showing the wire\ncrome wheel within, of course)...I\'m scared to look on the inside and have\nonly seen it rolling down the road...and I too was glad I hadn\'t just ate.\n\n\n\n> \n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Bob Martel | Lady luck must have been a wonderful girl\n>bob2@cua3.csuohio.edu | -She\'s never been a friend of mine!\n>R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu | The Alan Parsons Project\n> | The 3B1 lives!\n>--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChris T. Ward DoD#0710 "Don\'t take life too seriously, you can never come\n out of it alive." -?\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n',
'From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: Cannanite genocide in the Bible\nLines: 6\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 6\n\nexcuse me for my ignorance. But I remember reading once that the \nBiblical tribe known as the Philistines still exists...they are the modern \nday Palestinians.\nAnyone out there with more info, please post it!!!\n\nTammy\n',
"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE)\nSubject: Re: Patrick Division Correction!\nOriginator: fmsalvat@c00525-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu\nReply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 22\n\n\nIn article <93105.013653RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n> \n> Well, I was a little off in those predictions! One, I didn't count on the\n> Devils scoring 6 goals tonight in a 6-6 tie, hence, there goes the streak!\n> \n> Secondly, I didn't count on the Islanders getting just 1 point out of 4\n> against the Whalers in two games. So, no more Isles/Capitals.\n> \n> New predicitons :\n> \n> 1-PENGUINS VS 4-ISLANDERS Penguins in 6 or 7\n \n> \n> 2-CAPITALS VS 3-DEVILS Devils in 7\n> \nWhy should we pay your predictions any heed, considering\nyou couldn't even predict the proper matchups? Maybe\nyou should try forecasting the weather instead.\n\nFrank Salvatore\nfmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu\n",
'From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig)\nSubject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com\nOrganization: NCR Corporation\nX-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0\n\nIn Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> "behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)" says:\n> \tFor those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,\n> what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe\n> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.\n> (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official\n> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I\'m paying that usury...)\n> \n> Thanks,\n> -- \n> Chris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee\'s Red Lady\n> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\n> Disclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\n> agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n> \nI thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would\nlike to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add).\n',
"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)\nSubject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 1: Goaltenders\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 80\n\nAs the Sharks' season came to a close tonight, I will start a series of posts,\ntrying to revisit the players, the trades, the moves, etc., that went through\nfor the Sharks for the past season. If you are uninterested, since I will\nhave the words SHARKS REVIEW in the subject heading in these postings, you can\nkill them.\n\nI will first try to evaluate how the players did. These ratings, of course,\nare subject to my own biases, but I hope that I can try to be as objective as\npossible. I will evalute players who finished the season with the Sharks\nand/or did not play for another NHL team this season.\n\nThus, then, let's go to the goaltenders...\n\n#1\tBRIAN HAYWARD\t\tSeason:\t11th\nAcquired:\t'91-92 from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tP (D)\n\nIt is sad that his career has to come to this dim an end, a career that\nfeatured sharing three Jennings Trophies (with Patrick Roy, in '87, '88, and\n'89). It would indeed be unfair for me to do anything but give him a passing\ngrade (and skip the letter grading), but he had simply been awful on ice this\nyear, save for a bright spot or two, and even if he had been healthy, he would\nnot be any more than the 3rd-string goalie.\n\nBut Hayward was a classy individual, who also figured in on the Sharks' first\never victory, the 3rd game of the season last year against the Calgary Flames.\nAs he retires, the fans will remember what a good guy he was.\n\n#30\tJEFF HACKETT\t\tSeason: 3rd\nAcquired:\t'91-92, from N. Y. Islanders in expansion draft\nGrade:\t\tC\n\nHackett, after (deservedly) winning the team MVP honors last season, simply\nwasted the year. Other than a few good spots (57 saves against Los Angeles,\nalmost-shutout against Tampa Bay, etc.), Hackett, finishing with 85.6% save\npercentage and a 5.28 GAA, watched his status go from the team's #1 goalie to\nbench decoration at the end of the season. He was expected, early, to carry\nthe team along; instead, he apparently became frustrated, but the an early\ninjury that forced him to miss 12 games may have been a contributing factor,\nbut upon return, he simply wasn't up to the task. He may not return next\nyear.\n\n#31\tWADE FLAHERTY\t\tSeason: 1st (still eligible as rookie)\nAcquired:\t'91-92, signed as undrafted free agent\nGrade:\t\tI (A-)\n\nIt is pretty hard to evaluate a goaltender on just one game alone, thus the\nincomplete grade, but yet in the one start that he did get (against the Calgary\nFlames), Flaherty was nothing but sharp for at least two periods. He started\nthe season poorly in Kansas City, but finished strong, prompting the Blades'\nowner Ron Parker to comment that he should be a candidate for the IHL MVP\nhonors. The upcoming IHL playoffs would be a major challenge for him as he\ntries to make it into the NHL; last year, he was a capable backup for Arturs\nIrbe in the throughout the season and in the Turner Cup playoffs, picking up\nall-star honors along with Irbe; now it's time for him to show that he can\nshare the job with Irbe next year, because with prospects Dan Ryder, Trevor\nRobins, and Scott Cashman coming along, if he doesn't make it next year, he\nmay not ever.\n\n#32\tARTURS IRBE\t\tSeason:\t1st\nAcquired:\t'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tB+\n\nI may yet be overly critical of Irbe in a year that he clearly established that\nhe's a bona fide NHL goaltender, perhaps a bona fide #1 goaltender. He has\nprovided most of the little highlight footage that the Sharks team had, getting\nthe team's first ever shut-out against the Los Angeles Kings on December 26.\nHe has been fearless in and out of the net, aggressively playing the puck and\nmaking passes, reminding people of a young Ron Hextall (except, of course, the\ngoonism). Yet he still needs to develop more consistency, which is hard to do\nwith such a bad defense in front of him, but if the Sharks are to challenge for\na playoff spot next season, Irbe's the key, as he demonstrated in being named\nas a star of the game 13 times in 32 starts.\n\n===============================================================================\nGO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe!\nGO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton!\n===============================================================================\nNelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)\nrec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks\n",
"From: rick@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner)\nSubject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? (TT for True-Effects for windows)\nOrganization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.\nLines: 41\n\ngames@max.u.washington.edu writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr3.174759.15377@seas.gwu.edu>, lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai) writes:\n>> In article <1ov6rj$gev@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) writes:\n>>>I've just bought a PC which came with a bundle of Lotus stuff, including\n>>>Adobe Type Manager version 1.15. As a newcomer to Windows, I'm\n>>>confused about which I should be using, ATM or Truetype. \n>>>\n>> ...\n\n>There is a program called true-effects for windows, that allows you to define\n>attributes for true-type fonts, and have them look like new fonts. It will\n>give your font different backgrounds, or shadows, or reverse, etc...\n\n>It ONLY works with TT fonts.\n\nYes, and the idea was ripped off from Adobe, which has had a program\ncalled TypeAlign for a few years now. TypeAlign does the same thing\nfor Adobe Type 1 fonts; *and* Adobe has said that the next version\nwill work with both Adobe Type 1 and TrueType.\n\nAnd TypeAlign does some things that TrueEffects does not - including\nsome things you apparently want ...\n\n>If you want to use it, you best not want to use it with an ATM type font.\n\n>(Oh, yeah... lest you think this is a really cool program, none of the \n>effects are scalable (like the brick background pattern is the same size\n>whether your font is 10 point of 100 point.), and it is not extensible,\n>I.E. you CAN NOT add pattern of your own.\n>And you can't rorate the background pattern...\n>And you can't make the pattern extend beyond one character\n>\t(Every character in that new font has the entire pattern in it,\n>\tAs opposed to having the SAME pattern run contiguously through\n>\ta couple of characters)\n\n>It is however cheap.\n>Maybe I will buy a copy when the next version comes out, if they fix some of\n>these gripes...\n\n>\t\t\tJohn.\n",
'From: DMCOLES@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU\nSubject: Chicago area roommate needed (Evanston)\nNntp-Posting-Host: nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu\nOrganization: Northwestern University\nLines: 21\n\n Non-smoking roommate needed\n to sublet\n 1BR in 2BR carpeted apt.\n in Evanston, IL\n near the Dempster el stop\n parking is available\n \nRent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils.\n \n avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug.\n (entire apt. available Sept. 1)\n \nRoommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian,\n non-smoking female who works at\n Northwestern\n \n No neat freaks please!\n \nCall Denise (708) 491-7603 (w)\n (708) 869-8307 (H)\n dc@nwu.edu\n',
"From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)\nSubject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc...\nOrganization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.\nLines: 59\nNNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu\n\nI am auctioning off the following comics. These minimum bids are set\nbelow what I would normally sell them for. Make an offer, and I will\naccept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.\n\nTITLE Minimum/Current \n--------------------------------------------------------------\nAlpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)\t$ 5.00\nAliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988)\t$20.00\nAmazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00\nAmazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin)\t$50.00\nArcher and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton)\t$ 7.50\nAvengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50\nBloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster)\t$ 5.00\nDaredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00\nDark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)\t$ 7.50 \nH.A.R.D. Corps 1 \t\t\t\t\t$ 5.00\nIncredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)\t$ 7.50\nIncredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue)\t\t$15.00\nIncredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins)\t\t$11.20\t\nIncredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00\nIncredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00\nMarvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50\nMaxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover)\t$30.00\nNew Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo)\t$10.00\nNew Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00\nNew Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)\t$10.00\nOmega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50\nOmega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50\nPower Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $25.00\n 84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $20.00\nSimpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)\t$ 7.50\nSpectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50\nStar Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50\nStar Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50\nWeb of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00 \nWeb of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50\nWolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)\t$15.00\nWolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)\t$ 5.00\nWolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)\t$ 3.50\nWolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes)\t$ 3.00\nWolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)\t\t$20.00\nWonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00\n\nAll comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny \npolypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is\n$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order \na large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle.\n\nI have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what \nyou've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted\nhere don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.\n-- \nGeoffrey R. Mason\t\t|\tjrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu\nDepartment of Psychology\t|\tmason@webb.psych.ufl.edu\nUniversity of Florida\t\t|\tprothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu\n",
'From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)\nSubject: Montreal Question.......\nReply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.\nLines: 9\n\n What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it \n anywhere. Thanks!!!!1\n\n\tK-->\n-- \n---\nKeith J. Mullins (o o) \nP.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET:\nPlymouth, NH | "It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu\n',
"From: myoakam@cis.ohio-state.edu (micah r yoakam)\nSubject: BOAT for SALE\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science\nLines: 14\nDistribution: USA\nExpires: +60days\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eucalyptus.cis.ohio-state.edu\n\nBOAT For SALE\n1989 23' IMPERIAL FISHERMAN featuring\n Walkaround Cuddy Cabin, 305 V8 with VOLVO DUO PROP OUTDRIVE /\\/\\/\\/\nAM-FM Cassette Stereo, VHF RADIO, 4x6 HUMMINGBIRD Fishfinder, ALL Safty\nequipment, Covers, and MUCH MORE. \n 18000 LB. Capacity\n includes Storage Trailer\n Hardly used: LESS Than 100 Hrs\n\nAsking: $15,000 OR Best OFFER.\nFor Further information contact Gerald at 1-(419)-756-2950\n Mansfield, OH\n\n\n",
'From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)\nSubject: Re: What is going on?...\nLines: 27\nOrganization: Curtin University of Technology\nDistribution: inet\n\nIn article <gthomas.735070935@sfu.ca>, gthomas@fraser.sfu.ca (Guy Thomas) writes:\n> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:\n> \n>>In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:\n>>...\n>>> If you can\'t be bothered reading, get the video "Manufacturing Consent".\n>>> \n> \n>>In reply to mail queries; I don\'t know if a video is available yet. I asked\n>>about a month ao and was told RSN.\n> \n> Yes it is. From the National Film Board of Canada.\n\nAh, not in the USA. Thats a relief, thought \'reality\' must be slipping for a\nsecond. :-)\n\nSt Noam was on the radio tonight, he has just published a new book "501 years".\nPublished by South End i guess. Could some bostonian confirm please?\n\nI would love to hear what he thinks of the Clipper scam.\n\n~Paul\n\nPS The first posting I saw I thought was a joke in *VERY* bad taste. My appologies\nto the person who broke the news.\n\n\n',
'From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nOriginator: jmcocker@c00053-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu\nReply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 29\n\n\nIn article <FOX.93Apr22002043@graphics.nyu.edu>, fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:\n|>\n|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of\n|> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading\n|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5\n|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts\n|> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum\n|> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?\n|> Just curious.\n|>\n|>I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the\n|>split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us\n|>who are less omnivorous. There is no "waste" in creating news\n|>groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem\n|>with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time\n|>on this as it is.\n|>\n\nYes, but... shouldn\'t size of newsgroup be an issue? Sorry if this\nhas been covered before, but comp.grahpics.animation get how much \ntraffic per day? 50 articles? Maybe 70 on an extremely heavy day?\nI\'ve been following this group for about four months now, and I don\'t\nrecall ever seeing such a flood of posts that a split would be warranted.\n\nJust my 2 cents,\n\nMitch------------------------------------>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu\n"Who doth render with 386sx-20 knoweth frustration."\n',
'From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby)\nSubject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics\nKeywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial\nNntp-Posting-Host: oahu.cs.ucla.edu\nOrganization: UCLA, Computer Science Department\nDistribution: na\nLines: 9\n\n If the nose culture shows Staph, then Ceftin or even Ceclor\n are better. Suprax does not kill Staph. Treating bacterial\n infections involves a lot of try-and-fail because the\n infections often involve multiple organisms with many resistant\n strains. Some 60% of Hemophilus Influenza strains are now\n resistant. What works for me and my organisms may not work\n for you and yours. Keep experimenting.\n\t Ken Colby\n\n',
"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 36\n\n[In response to some of the discussions on the Sabbath, Andrew Byler\ncommented that if we really followed sola scriptura we would worship\non Saturday -- the change to Sunday was a law made by the Church, and\nwe don't acknowledge its authority to make laws. I noted that\nProtestants do not consider Sunday worship a law. --clh]\n\nHe was not referring to the FAQ but to the five Sabbath Admissions posted\non the bible study group. This is what prompted someone to send the FAQ\nto me.\n\n> The argument against the Sabbath is\n> that it is part of the ceremonial law, and like the rest of the\nn> ceremonial law is not binding on Christians.\n\nYou cannot show, from scripture, that the weekly Sabbath is part of the\nceremonial laws. Before you post a text in reply investigate its context.\n\n> If you accept that\n> the Sabbath is not binding on Christians, then the day of worship\n> falls into the category of items on which individual Christians or\n> (since worship is by its nature a group activity) churches are free to\n> decide.\n> \nCan the churches also decide what is and is not sin? Interesting. Where\nthere is no divine imperative of course we must establish rules of\noperation. But we cannot be as creative with what God has explicitly\nspoken on.\n\nDarius\n\n[Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law,\nand worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to\ndecide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on\nthe hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if\nyou belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on\nMonday, you will probably worship alone... --clh]\n",
"From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon)\nSubject: Re: Ottawa/Montreal/Philly trade\nArticle-I.D.: oz.1993Apr6.023843.9689\nReply-To: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon)\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.\nLines: 13\n\n\n Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky\ntrade to Toronto???? Sheeeesh! You should have waited until we got\nover that one before this garbage, maybe we would have believed it for\nhalf a second (NOT!).\n\n By the way, I just heard from Mother Goose that Mario Lemieux was\ntraded to Winnpeg for Tie Domi!!!!!\n\n\nRandy\nPSC (I know noone has heard of it, it's a tiny college in Hicksville\nNew Hampshire. Plymouth State College)\n",
"From: schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier)\nSubject: ISSA '93 Conference\nOrganization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 4\n\nIf there is anyone attending the ISSA conference in Arlington, VA next\nweek, I would appreciate them getting in touch with me.\n\nBruce\n",
'From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy)\nSubject: Re: Title for XTerm\nReply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: I-NET Inc.\nLines: 52\n\nIn article 1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE, markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes:\n|>In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes:\n|>|> \n|>|> In article <C5oL74.3B1@aeon.in-berlin.de>, thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes:\n|>|> |> >Hey guys!\n|>|> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname\n|>|> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it\'s open and a machine name only\n|>|> |> >when it\'s closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear\n|>|> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed.\n|>|> |> >How can I do it?\n|>|> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support\n|>|> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your\n|>|> |> .login (if you\'re using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it.\n|>|> |> \n|>|> |> if ( "$term" == "xterm" ) then\n|>|> |> \techo "^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"\n|>|> |> endif\n|>|> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm.\n|>|> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ?\n|>|> Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they\n|>|> are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced,\n|>|> but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ?\n|>|> This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work\n|>|> on xterms.\n|>It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original\n|>question:\n|>\n|>I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop\n|>menu. Here is a sample command:\n|>\n|>\txterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i &\n|>\n|>The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the\n|>tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following:\n|>\n|>I have an\n|>\n|>\talias precmd echo -n \'^[]2\\;${HOST}:$cwd^G\'\n|>\n|>in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time\n|>before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current\n|>directory path in the title bar of my xterms.\n\nHave you gotten an answer yet? Using your variables, this is what I would do:\n\txterm -T "$HOST - $LOGNAME" -n "$HOST"\n\n---\nDaniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc.\nNASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950\nNASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698\nHouston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\n\n',
'From: "Calvin D. Swartzentruber" <cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: ATTN: Ken Smith\nOrganization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <9304051540.AA03922@gumby.Altos.COM>\n\nIt is model number #7033D, a 14" interlaced .28dp. BTW, if you have a\nnumber to contact the company, that would really be helpful to. Thanks\nfor replying. I was beginning to believe that I was never going to get\na reply. I posted this on the netnews bboard because the first message\nI sent to you was returned, and I didn\'t know if my second message would\nget to you.\n\nCalvin\n\n',
'From: ben@dbsm.oz.au (Benjamin Stephen Kelley)\nSubject: Problems with color Xterm\nReply-To: ben@thor (Benjamin Stephen Kelley)\nOrganization: SBC Dominguez Barry Ltd\nLines: 19\n\nWe have recently obtained a copy of color_xterm (from export.lcs.mit.edu) after\nseeing it mentioned in a previous article. On compilation, it reports the\nfollowing undefined symbols:\n\t_get_wmShellWidgetClass\n\t_get_applicationShellWidgetClass\n\n\tbut still runs. When sending escape sequences to set the colour,\nany colour comes out as black text on a black background. Any Ideas?\n\nHas anyone used this program in colour successfully?\n\nCan anyone point me to any other colour terminal emulators?\n\nWe are running OpenWindows 3 on Sun Sparcs running SunOS 4.1.3.\n\n\t\t\t\tadvaTHANKSnce Ben Kelley.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tben@thor.dbsm.oz.au\n\n',
"From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)\nSubject: Re: European expansion and our f*cked system\nOriginator: jpc@condor\nOrganization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510\nLines: 29\n\n\n \n|> How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based \n|> corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good\n|> product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's\n|> record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)).\n\nLook how long the Maple Leafs and Nordiques used similar logic.... Not that\nthey fielded bad teams solely to field bad teams, but the Maple Leafs (and a\ncertain dead man who was in charge) were one of the cheapest teams in the\nhistory of the sport. Guess what-- they were immensely popular at the\ngate. The Nordiques have also done well for a team that had missed the\nplayoffs so many years in a row.\n\n|> Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan\n|> problems).\n\nHa! Such humor! They have MAJOR fan problems, namely that on occasion some of\nthem don't make it home from the match! The soccer fans tend to be fanatical,\nmuch like the Montreal fans who firebomb the players and coaches houses when\nthey play pathetically.\n \n-JPC\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJohn P. Curcio \t\t Go Bruins!\t\t Philips Laboratories\njpc@philabs.philips.com \t\t\t 345 Scarborough Road\n(914) 945-6442 \t \t\t Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 \n",
"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)\nSubject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes?\nReply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu\nOrganization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory\nLines: 15\n\nI think it was Lewis who said that in a wedding, it's the principals \nthat marry each other; the church and the state are present merely as \nwitnesses.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------\nRob Steele In coming to understand anything \nMIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they\n244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts\nLexington, MA 02173 as they are. \n617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis\n\n[This is not just Lewis -- it's a summary of standard Catholic\ntheology. However this doesn't mean that the presence of those\nwitnesses is optional, except in odd situations like the standard\ndesert island. --clh]\n",
'From: bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Baker)\nSubject: OAKLEYS for sale (Bulls vs. Blazers too!)\nKeywords: Good Deal!\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 10\n\nI have a pair of Oakleys that cost about $100 new a year ago. I hardly ever\nwore them because they just don\'t look right on me. They are orange and\nblue and are the "blade" kind (Terminator style). I am willing to sell these\nfor $40 to the first response I get. \nI also have a Bulls vs. Blazers game for the SNES that is in perfect\ncondition. I am selling it for $35. It includes the instruction manual.\n\n\n John\n bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu\n',
'From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys)\nSubject: New to Motorcycles...\nOrganization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD\nLines: 39\n\nHello everyone. I\'m new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don\'t\nhave my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:\n\n1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have \nto cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I\'m too \nignorant to know I need to buy)\n\n2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in \nabout a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up\ntill now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a \nmotorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes\na difference)\n\n3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?\n\n4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we\'re not a \nstate - we\'re not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then\nget a learners permit. However, I\'m wondering how one goes about \nlearning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence\nand b) not kill oneself. I don\'t know anyone with a bike who could \nteach me, and the most advice I\'ve heard is either "do you live near a\nfield" or "do you have a friend with a pickup truck", the answers to both\nof which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for \nthe best? I kind of live in a residential area but it\'s not suburbs.\nIt\'s still the big city and I\'m about a mile from downtown so that \ndoesn\'t seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned?\n\nThanks for any replies in advance.\n\n\t-Greg Humphreys\n\t:wq\n\t^^^\n\tMeant to do that. (Damn autoindent)\n\n--\nGreg Humphreys | "This must be Thursday. I never\nNational Institutes of Health| could get the hang of Thursdays."\ngregh@alw.nih.gov |\n(301) 402-1817\t | -Arthur Dent\n',
'From: gal2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)\nSubject: Clinton\'s sister, Shalala\nReply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 22\n\n\nLast night I heard something about Bill Clinton\'s sister being\ninvolved in a marijuana bust, and the news being suppressed. I also\nheard something about her being an "ex-con". This source is not\nreliable, though. (It was a collage/booklet advertising a local band.)\n\nCan anyone on the net verify this or provide more details? I\'m\nsurprised I haven\'t seen anything about this in this newsgroup.\n\nAlso, does anyone know what happened to the charges that Shalala was a\nregular pot smoker when she was in college? This ghastly accusation\nwas reported on CNN Streamline News the day she was nominated, then I\nnever heard anything about it again.\n\nIt\'s almost enough to make me want to start an Act-Up type campaign\nto invade the privacy of closet smokers! (If only this type of\npublicity didn\'t violate people\'s rights. . . .)\n\nJake.\n-- \n* What\'s so interdisciplinary about studying lower levels of thought process?\n\t\t\t\t <-- Jacob Galley * gal2@midway.uchicago.edu\n',
'From: cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson)\nSubject: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!!\nOrganization: Educational Computing Network\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu\n\nWell now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little\neasier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of\neach other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in\nthe second round with all the rest they will get and tor/det getting\nnone. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division\nbut that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the\nHawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but\nits better to get that far and lose than to not go.\n\nbrian\n\n',
'From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)\nSubject: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?\nArticle-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.184204.26184\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View\nLines: 24\n\nThis morning a truck that had been within my sight (and I within\nhis) for about 3 miles suddenly forgot that I existed and pulled\nover right on me -- my front wheel was about even with the back\nedge of his front passenger door as I was accelerating past him.\n\nIt was trivial enough for me to tap the brakes and slide behind him\nas he slewed over (with no signal, of course) on top of me, with\nmy little horn blaring (damn, I need Fiamms!), but the satisfaction\nof being aware of my surroundings and thus surviving was not enough,\nespecially when I later pulled up alongside the bastard and he made\nno apologetic wave or anything.\n\nIs there some way that I can memorize the license plate of an\noffending vehicle and get the name and address of the owner?\nI\'m not going to firebomb houses or anything, I\'d just like to\nwrite a consciousness-raising letter or two. I think that it would\nbe good for BDI cagers to know that We Know Where They Live.\nMaybe they\'d use 4 or 5 brain cells while driving instead of the\nusual 3.\n-- \nCurtis Jackson\t cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com\t\'91 Hawk GT\t\'81 Maxim 650\nDoD#0721 KotB \'91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" \'92 Collie/Golden "George"\n"There is no justification for taking away individuals\' freedom\n in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson\n',
'From: csc3phx@vaxa.hofstra.edu\nSubject: Color problem.\nLines: 8\n\n\nI am scanning in a color image and it looks fine on the screen. When I \nconverted it into PCX,BMP,GIF files so as to get it into MS Windows the colors\ngot much lighter. For example the yellows became white. Any ideas?\n\nthanks\nDan\ncsc3phx@vaxc.hofstra.edu\n',
'From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep \nNntp-Posting-Host: hqsun7.us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 33\n\nAdd me to the list of bugged 230 owners.\n\nI had a bunch of problems regarding sleep/wakeup/restart with the 230 when\nI first got it, both with and without the techworks ram. Finally it "died",\nwouldn\'t start, until I opened the docking door (which snaps open) and \nthe machine came up fine, but with the clock a few decades off. Apple \nreplaced the processor board.\n\nNow,\n twice the machine has frozen (no mouse action)\n twice the machine has refused to wake up. Acutally, the backlighting\n came on, and the disk spins when the power adaptor is plugged in\n (but not with a good battery).\n The first time this happened removing both power adaptor and battery\n for ~1 minute brought the machine back.\n The second time this happened the machine wouldn\'t wake up until\n powered down for about 30 minutes. The screen had what looked\n like red horizontal lines accross it.\n Both timse the file "fax modem preferences" has been corrupted\n according to disinfectent).\n\nI have removed all the fax and modem software, and the third party memory,\nand am waiting to see if it happens again.\n\nforrest\n\n\n-- \nForrest Howard\nOracle Corporation\n500 Oracle Parkway\nBox 65414\nRedwood Shores, CA 94065\n',
'From: David A. Fuess\nSubject: Re: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ????\nOrganization: UC LLNL\nLines: 15\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov\n\n\nIn article <56720008@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway) writes:\n>Not on my system.\n>\n>Frank Calloway\n\nNor mine, either of them!\n\n+---------------------------------+----------------------+\n| _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess |\n| _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS |\n| _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 |\n| _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 |\n+-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+\n\n',
'From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)\nSubject: Re: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock)\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab\nLines: 23\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tahma.cs.hut.fi\n\nIn <9304211637.AA03386@blue.arbortext.com> rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) writes:\n\n>My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state\n>of CapsLock and/or NumLock is?\n\nI don\'t know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th\nKeypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to\nalways know the state of modifiers even if your windows don\'t have the\nkeyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root\nwindow. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have\nbeen pressed.\n\n>An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X\n>keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user\n>presses shift-a, I\'d like to get a lowercase \'a\' instead of \'A\'.\n\nI think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString.\nYou can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses\nas you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from\nthe Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit.\n-- \n Sami.Tikka@hut.fi | /G=Sami/S=Tikka/O=hut/ADMD=fumail/C=fi/\n "Live Long and Prosper!"\n',
'From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nSubject: HICN610 Medical News Part 3/4\nReply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY\nLines: 708\n\n\n------------- cut here -----------------\nUniversity of Arizona\nTucson, Arizona\n\n\n\n Suggested Reading\n\nTan SL, Royston P, Campbell S, Jacobs HS, Betts J, Mason B, Edwards RG (1992). \nCumulative conception and Livebirth rates after in-vitro fertilization. Lancet \n339:1390-1394. \n\nFor further information, call:\n Physicians\' Resource Line\n 1-800-328-5868\n in Tucson:\n 694-5868\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 28\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n Articles\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n LOW LEVELS OF AIRBORNE PARTICLES LINKED\n TO SERIOUS ASTHMA ATTACKS\n American Lung Association \n\n A new study published by the American Lung Association has shown that \nsurprisingly low concentrations of airborne particles can send people with \nasthma rushing to emergency rooms for treatment. \n The Seattle-based study showed that roughly one in eight emergency visits \nfor asthma in that city was linked to exposure to particulate air pollution. \nThe actual exposure levels recorded in the study were far below those deemed \nunsafe under federal air quality laws. \n "People with asthma have inflamed airways, and airborne particles tend to \nexacerbate that inflammation," said Joel Schwartz, Ph.D., of the Environmental \nProtection Agency, who was the lead author of the study. "When people are on \nthe threshold of having, a serious asthma attack, particles can push them over \nthe edge." \n The Seattle Study correlated 13 months of asthma emergency room visits \nwith daily levels of PM,,,. or particulate matter with an aerodynamic diameter \nof 10 microns or less. These finer particles are considered hazardous because \nthey are small enough penetrate into the lung. Cities are considered out of \ncompliance with clean air laws if the 24-hour average concentration of PM10 \nexceeds 150 micrograms per cubic millimeter of air. \n In Seattle however, a link between fine particles and asthma was found at \nlevels as low as 30 micrograms. The authors concluded that for every 30 \nmicrogram increase in the four-day average of PM10, the odds of someone with \nasthma needing emergency treatment increased by 12 percent. \n The findings were published in the April American Review of Respiratory \nDisease, an official journal of the American Thoracic Society, the Lung \nAssociation\'s medical section. \n The study is the latest in a series of recent reports to suggest that \nparticulate matter is a greatly under appreciated health threat. A 1992 study \nby Dr. Schwartz and Douglas Dockery, Ph.D., of Harvard found that particles \nmay be causing roughly 60,000 premature deaths each year in the United States. \nOther studies have linked particulate matter to increased respiratory symptoms \nand bronchitis in children. \n "Government officials and the media are still very focused on ozone," \nsays Dr. Schwartz. "But more and more research is showing that particles are \nbad actors as well." One problem in setting, standards for particulate \nair pollution is that PMIO is difficult to study. Unlike other regulated \npollutants such as ozone and carbon monoxide, particulate matter is a complex \nand varying mixture of substances, including carbon, hydrocarbons, dust, and \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 29\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nacid aerosols. \n "Researchers can\'t Put people in exposure chambers to study the effects \nof particulate air pollution," says Dr. Schwartz. "We have no way of \nduplicating the typical urban mix of particles. " Consequently, most of what \nis known about particulates has been learned through population-based research \nlike the Seattle study. \n Given that the EPA\'s current priority is to review the ozone and sulfur \ndioxide standards, the agency is unlikely to reexamine the PM10 standard any \ntime soon. Until changes are made, there appears to be little people with \nasthma can do to protect themselves from airborne particles.\n "In some areas, you can get reports on air quality, but the reports only \ncover the pollutant that is closest to violating its standard, and that\'s \nrarely particulate matter," says Dr. Schwartz. "However, PM10 doesn\'t have \nto be near its violation range to be unhealthy."\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 30\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma\n\nThe National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference on \nDiagnosis and Treatment of Early Melanoma brought together experts in \ndermatology, pathology, epidemiology, public education, surveillance \ntechniques, and potential new technologies as well as other health care \nprofessionals and the public to address (1) the clinical and histological \ncharacteristics of early melanoma; (2) the appropriate diagnosis, management, \nand followup of patients with early melanoma; (3) the role of dysplastic nevi \nand their significance; and (4) the role of education and screening in \npreventing melanoma morbidity and mortality. Following 2 days of \npresentations by experts and discussion by the audience, a consensus panel \nweighed the scientific evidence and prepared their consensus statement. \n \nAmong their findings, the panel recommended that (1) melanoma in situ is a \ndistinct entity effectively treated surgically with 0.5 centimeter margins; \n(2) thin invasive melanoma, less than 1 millimeter thick, has the potential \nfor long-term survival in more than 90 percent of patients after surgical \nexcision with a 1 centimeter margin; (3) elective lymph node dissections and \nextensive staging evaluations are not recommended in early melanoma; (4) \npatients with early melanoma are at low risk for relapse but may be at high \nrisk for development of subsequent melanomas and should be followed closely; \n(5) some family members of patients with melanoma are at increased risk for \nmelanoma and should be enrolled in surveillance programs; and (6) education \nand screening programs have the potential to decrease morbidity and mortality \nfrom melanoma. \n \nA copy of the full text of the consensus panel\'s statement is available by \ncalling the NIH Office of Medical Applications of Research at (301) 496-1143 \nor by writing to: Office of Medical Applications of Research, National \nInstitutes of Health, Federal Building, Room 618, Bethesda, MD 20892.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 31\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n NCI-Designated Cancer Centers\n\nThe Cancer Centers Program is comprised of 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers \nactively engaged in multidisciplinary research efforts to reduce cancer \nincidence, morbidity, and mortality. Within the program, there are four types \nof cancer centers: basic science cancer centers (14), which engage primarily \nin basic cancer research; clinical cancer centers (12), which focus on \nclinical research; "comprehensive" cancer centers (28), which emphasize a \nmultidisciplinary approach to cancer research, patient care, and community \noutreach; and consortium cancer centers (1), which specialize in cancer \nprevention and control research. \n \nAlthough some cancer centers existed in the late 1960s and the 1970s, it was \nthe National Cancer Act of 1971 that authorized the establishment of 15 new \ncancer centers, as well as continuing support for existing ones. The passage \nof the act also dramatically transformed the centers\' structure and broadened \nthe scope of their mission to include all aspects of basic, clinical, and \ncancer control research. Over the next two decades, the centers\' program grew \nprogressively. \n \nIn 1990, there were 19 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation. Today, \nthere are 28 of these institutions, all of which meet specific NCI criteria \nfor comprehensive status. \n \nTo attain recognition from the NCI as a comprehensive cancer center, an \ninstitution must pass rigorous peer review. Under guidelines newly \nestablished in 1990, the eight criteria for "comprehensiveness" include the \nrequirement that a center have a strong core of basic laboratory research in \nseveral scientific fields, such as biology and molecular genetics, a strong \nprogram of clinical research, and an ability to transfer research findings \ninto clinical practice. \n \nMoreover, five of the criteria for comprehensive status go significantly \nbeyond that required for attaining a Cancer Center Support Grant (also \nreferred to as a P30 or core grant), the mechanism of choice for supporting \nthe infrastructure of a cancer center\'s operations. These criteria encompass \nstrong participation in NCI-designated high-priority clinical trials, \nsignificant levels of cancer prevention and control research, and important \noutreach and educational activities--all of which are funded by a variety of \nsources. \n \nThe other types of cancer centers also have special characteristics and \ncapabilities for organizing new programs of research that can exploit \nimportant new findings or address timely research questions. \n \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 32\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nOf the 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers, 14 are of the basic science type. \nThese centers engage almost entirely in basic research, although some centers \nengage in collaborative research with outside clinical research investigators \nand in cooperative projects with industry to generate medical applications \nfrom new discoveries in the laboratory. \n \nClinical cancer centers, in contrast, focus on both basic research and \nclinical research within the same institutional framework, and frequently \nincorporate nearby affiliated clinical research institutions into their \noverall research programs. There are 12 such centers today. \n \nFinally, consortium cancer centers, of which there is one, are uniquely \nstructured and concentrate on clinical research and cancer prevention and \ncontrol research. These centers interface with state and local public health \ndepartments for the purpose of achieving the transfer of effective prevention \nand control techniques from their research findings to those institutions \nresponsible for implementing population-wide public health programs. \nConsortium centers also are heavily engaged in collaborations with \ninstitutions that conduct clinical trial research and coordinate community \nhospitals within a network of cooperating institutions in clinical trials. \n \nTogether, the 55 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers continue to work toward \ncreating new and innovative approaches to cancer research, and through \ninterdisciplinary efforts, to effectively move this research from the \nlaboratory into clinical trials and into clinical practice. \n \nComprehensive Cancer Centers (Internet addresses are given where available) \n \nUniversity of Alabama at Birmingham Comprehensive Cancer Center\nBasic Health Sciences Building, Room 108\n1918 University Boulevard\nBirmingham, Alabama 35294\n(205) 934-6612\n \nUniversity of Arizona Cancer Center\n1501 North Campbell Avenue\nTucson, Arizona 85724\n(602) 626-6372\nInternet: syd@azcc.arizona.edu\n \nJonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center\nUniversity of California at Los Angeles\n200 Medical Plaza\nLos Angeles, California 90027\n(213) 206-0278\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 33\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nInternet: rick@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu\n \nKenneth T. Norris Jr. Comprehensive Cancer Center\nUniversity of Southern California\n1441 Eastlake Avenue\nLos Angeles, California 90033-0804\n(213) 226-2370\n \nYale University Comprehensive Cancer Center\n333 Cedar Street\nNew Haven, Connecticut 06510\n(203) 785-6338\n \nLombardi Cancer Research Center\nGeorgetown University Medical Center\n3800 Reservoir Road, N.W.\nWashington, D.C. 20007\n(202) 687-2192\n \nSylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center\nUniversity of Miami Medical School\n1475 Northwest 12th Avenue\nMiami, Florida 33136\n(305) 548-4800\nInternet: hlam@mednet.med.miami.edu\n \nJohns Hopkins Oncology Center\n600 North Wolfe Street\nBaltimore, Maryland 21205\n(410) 955-8638\n \nDana-Farber Cancer Institute\n44 Binney Street\nBoston, Massachusetts 02115\n(617) 732-3214\nInternet: Kristie_Stevenson@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu\n \nMeyer L. Prentis Comprehensive Cancer Center of Metropolitan\nDetroit\n110 East Warren Avenue\nDetroit, Michigan 48201\n(313) 745-4329\nInternet: cummings%oncvx1.dnet@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu\n \nUniversity of Michigan Cancer Center\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 34\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n101 Simpson Drive\nAnn Arbor, Michigan 48109-0752\n(313) 936-9583\nBITNET: kallie.bila.michels@um.cc.umich.edu\n \nMayo Comprehensive Cancer Center\n200 First Street Southwest\nRochester, Minnesota 55905\n(507) 284-3413\n \nNorris Cotton Cancer Center\nDartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center\nOne Medical Center Drive\nLebanon, New Hampshire 03756\n(603) 646-5505\nBITNET: edward.bresnick@dartmouth.edu\n \nRoswell Park Cancer Institute\nElm and Carlton Streets\nBuffalo, New York 14263\n(716) 845-4400\n \nColumbia University Comprehensive Cancer Center\nCollege of Physicians and Surgeons\n630 West 168th Street\nNew York, New York 10032\n(212) 305-6905\nInternet: janie@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu\n \nMemorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center\n1275 York Avenue\nNew York, New York 10021\n(800) 525-2225\n \nKaplan Cancer Center\nNew York University Medical Center\n462 First Avenue\nNew York, New York 10016-9103\n(212) 263-6485\n \nUNC Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center\nUniversity of North Carolina School of Medicine\nChapel Hill, North Carolina 27599\n(919) 966-4431\n \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 35\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nDuke Comprehensive Cancer Center\nP.O. Box 3814\nDurham, North Carolina 27710\n(919) 286-5515\n \nCancer Center of Wake Forest University at the Bowman Gray School\nof Medicine\n300 South Hawthorne Road\nWinston-Salem, North Carolina 27103\n(919) 748-4354\nInternet: ccwfumail@phs.bgsm.wfu.edu\n \nOhio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center\n300 West 10th Avenue\nColumbus, Ohio 43210\n(614) 293-5485\nInternet: dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n \nFox Chase Cancer Center\n7701 Burholme Avenue\nPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania 19111\n(215) 728-2570\nInternet: s_davis@fccc.edu\n \nUniversity of Pennsylvania Cancer Center\n3400 Spruce Street\nPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania 19104\n(215) 662-6364\n \nPittsburgh Cancer Institute\n200 Meyran Avenue\nPittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213-2592\n(800) 537-4063\n \nThe University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center\n1515 Holcombe Boulevard\nHouston, Texas 77030\n(713) 792-3245\n \nVermont Cancer Center\nUniversity of Vermont\n1 South Prospect Street\nBurlington, Vermont 05401\n(802) 656-4580\n \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 36\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nFred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center\n1124 Columbia Street\nSeattle, Washington 98104\n(206) 667-4675\nInternet: sedmonds@cclink.fhcrc.org\n \nUniversity of Wisconsin Comprehensive Cancer Center\n600 Highland Avenue\nMadison, Wisconsin 53792\n(608) 263-8600\nBITNET: carbone@uwccc.biostat.wisc.edu\n \n \n \nClinical Cancer Centers\n \n \nUniversity of California at San Diego Cancer Center\n225 Dickinson Street\nSan Diego, California 92103\n(619) 543-6178\nInternet: dedavis@ucsd.edu\n \nCity of Hope National Medical Center\nBeckman Research Institute\n1500 East Duarte Road\nDuarte, California 91010\n(818) 359-8111 ext. 2292\n \nUniversity of Colorado Cancer Center\n4200 East 9th Avenue, Box B188\nDenver, Colorado 80262\n(303) 270-7235\n \nUniversity of Chicago Cancer Research Center\n5841 South Maryland Avenue, Box 444\nChicago, Illinois 60637\n(312) 702-6180\nInternet: judith@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu\n \nAlbert Einstein College of Medicine\n1300 Morris Park Avenue\nBronx, New York 10461\n(212) 920-4826\n \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 37\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nUniversity of Rochester Cancer Center\n601 Elmwood Avenue, Box 704\nRochester, New York 14642\n(716) 275-4911\nInternet: rickb@wotan.medicine.rochester.edu\n \nIreland Cancer Center Case Western Reserve University\nUniversity Hospitals of Cleveland\n2074 Abington Road\nCleveland, Ohio 44106\n(216) 844-5432\n \nRoger Williams Cancer Center\nBrown University\n825 Chalkstone Avenue\nProvidence, Rhode Island 02908\n(401) 456-2071\n \nSt. Jude Children\'s Research Hospital\n332 North Lauderdale Street\nMemphis, Tennessee 38101-0318\n(901) 522-0306\nInternet: meyer@mbcf.stjude.org\n \nInstitute for Cancer Research and Care\n4450 Medical Drive\nSan Antonio, Texas 78229\n(512) 616-5580\n \nUtah Regional Cancer Center\nUniversity of Utah Health Sciences Center\n50 North Medical Drive, Room 2C110\nSalt Lake City, Utah 84132\n(801) 581-4048\nBITNET: hogan@cc.utah.edu\n \nMassey Cancer Center\nMedical College of Virginia\nVirginia Commonwealth University\n1200 East Broad Street\nRichmond, Virginia 23298\n(804) 786-9641\n \n \nConsortia\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 38\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n \nDrew-Meharry-Morehouse Consortium Cancer Center\n1005 D.B. Todd Boulevard\nNashville, Tennessee 37208\n(615) 327-6927\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 39\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n General Announcments\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n THE UCI MEDICAL EDUCATION SOFTWARE REPOSITORY \n\nThis is to announce the establishment of an FTP site at the University of \nCalifornia, for the collection of shareware, public-domain software and other \ninformation relating to Medical Education. \n\nSpecifically, we are interested in establishing this site as a clearinghouse \nfor personally developed software that has been developed for local medical \neducation programs. We welcome all contributions that may be shared with \nother users. \n\nTo connect to the UCI Medical Education Software Repository, ftp to: \n\n FTP.UCI.EDU\n\nThe Repository currently offers both MSDOS and Macintosh software, and we hope \nto support other operating systems (UNIX, MUMPS, AMIGA?). \n\nUploads are welcome. We actively solicit information and software which you \nhave personaly developed or have found useful in your local medical education \nefforts, either as an instructor or student. \n\nOnce you have connected to the site via FTP, cd (change directory) to either \nthe med-ed/mac/incoming or the med-ed/msdos/incoming directories, change the \nmode to binary and "send" or "put" your files. Note that you won\'t be able to \nsee the files with the "ls" or "dir" commands. Please compress your files as \nappropriate to the operating system (ZIP for MSDOS; Compactor or something \nsimilar for Macintosh) to save disk space. \n\nAfter uploading, please send email to Steve Clancy (slclancy@uci.edu) (for \nMSDOS) or Albert Saisho (saisho@uci.edu) (for MAC) describing the file(s) you \nhave uploaded and any other information we might need to describe it.\n\nNote that we can only accept software or information that has been designated \nas shareware, public-domain or that may otherwise be distributed freely. \nPlease do not upload commercial software! Doing so may jeopardize the \nexistence of this FTP site. \n\nIf you wish to upload software for other operating systems, please contact \neither Steve Clancy, M.L.S. or Albert Saisho, M.D. at the addresses above.\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 40\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n AIDS News Summaries\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n AIDS Daily Summary\n\nThe Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National AIDS \nClearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service \nonly. Providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the CDC, \nthe CDC Clearinghouse, or any other organization. Reproduction of this text \nis encouraged; however, copies may not be sold. Copyright 1993, Information, \nInc., Bethesda, MD \n\n ================================================================== \n April 12, 1993 \n ================================================================== \n\n"NIH Set to Test Multiple AIDS Vaccines" Reuters (04/08/93) (Frank, \nJacqueline) \n\n Washington--The Clinton administration will permit the National \nInstitutes of Health to test multiple AIDS vaccines instead of only allowing \nthe Army to test a single vaccine, administration sources said Thursday. The \ndecision ends the controversy between Army AIDS researchers who had hoped to \ntest a vaccine made by MicroGeneSys Inc. and the National Institutes of \nHealth, which contended that multiple vaccines should be tested. Health and \nHuman Services Secretary Donna Shalala said a final announcement on the \ntherapeutic vaccine trials was expected to be made last Friday. Companies \nincluding Genentech Inc., Chiron Corp., and Immuno AG have already told NIH \nthat they are prepared to participate in the vaccine tests. The testing is \nintended to demonstrate whether AIDS vaccines are effective in thwarting the \nreplication of HIV in patients already infected. Shalala refuted last week\'s \nreports that the Clinton administration had decided the Army\'s test of the \nMicroGeneSys VaxSyn should proceed without tests of others at the same time. \n"The report was inaccurate, and I expect there to be some announcement in the \nnext 24 hours about that particular AIDS research project," said Shalala. \nAdministration sources subsequently confirmed that NIH director Dr. Bernadine \nHealy and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler had \nconvinced the White House that multiple vaccines should be tested \nsimultaneously. But MicroGeneSys president Frank Volvovitz said a test of \nmultiple vaccines could triple the cost of the trial and delay it by two \nyears.\n\n================================================================== \n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 41\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n"The Limits of AZT\'s Impact on HIV" U.S. News & World Report (04/12/93) Vol. \n114, No. 14, P. 18 \n\n AZT has become the most widely used drug to fight AIDS since it was \napproved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1987. Burroughs Wellcome, \nthe manufacturer of AZT, made $338 million last year alone from sales of the \ndrug. However, a team of European researchers recently reported that \nalthough HIV-positive patients taking AZT demonstrated a slightly lower risk \nof developing AIDS within the first year of treatment, that benefit \ndisappeared two years later. The Lancet published preliminary findings of \nthe three-year study, which could give more reason for critics to argue the \ndrug\'s cost, side effects, and general efficacy. Even though U.S. \nresearchers concede the study was more comprehensive than American trials, \nmany argue the European researchers\' suggestion that HIV-positive patients \nexperience little improvement in their illness before the development of \nAIDS symptoms. In addition, researchers have long been familiar with the \n--------- end of part 3 ------------\n\n---\n Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165\n Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15\n Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na\n',
"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)\nSubject: BATF's Prime Directive\nOrganization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting\nLines: 7\n\nBully, Them; Bludgeon Them, Bury Them.\n-- \nDave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>\n\nI'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes\nto pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the\nfederal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.\n",
"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nOrganization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting\nLines: 10\n\nIt's truly unfortunate that we don't have the Japanese tradition of\nHari-Kari for public officials to salvage some tatters of honor after\nthey commit offenses against humanity like were perpetrated in Waco,\nTexas today.\n-- \nDave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>\n\nI'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes\nto pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the\nfederal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.\n",
'From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)\nSubject: Re: Help\nReply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)\nOrganization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu>, \nlmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n> Hi everyone, \n> \t I\'m a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I \n> know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our \n> deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, \n> saying\' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?\' \n> \n> Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by \n> themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still \n> saved by there faith.\n\nmy $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible. \nEither they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else \nthey are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough.\n Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are \nso committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can \ncome to know someone\'s situation is listening to their own statements. This \ncan be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another.\n\n> But then there is the bit which says that God \n> preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn\'t know him - condemned) \n> so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn\'\n> t make any attempt to live by the bible. \n\nRegarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church \n(at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks \nabout their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of \nconcern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up).\n\n> Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what \n> you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the \n> teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being \'\n> spat-out\'\n Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if \nyou catch the two meanings.\n I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either "on fire \nfor Him" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made \naware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal \ndamnation.\n\n\n\n| "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." |\n| "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." |\n| (proverbs 26:4&5)\n',
'From: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney)\nSubject: RESULT: sci.life-extension passes 237:28\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 284\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net\n\nThe vote to create the proposed group, Sci.life-extension, was\naffirmative.\n\nYes votes: 237.\nNo votes: 28.\n\nWhat follows is a list of the people who voted, by vote ("no" or "yes").\n\nHere are the people who voted NO:\n\nbailey@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)\nbarkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (Edwin Barkdoll)\nmsb@sq.com (Mark Brader)\ncarr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Dave Carr)\ndesj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)\njbh@Anat.UMSMed.Edu (James B. Hutchins)\nrsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)\nstu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)\nlau@ai.sri.com (Stephen Lau)\nplebrun@minf8.vub.ac.be (Philippe Lebrun)\njmaynard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard)\nemcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)\nrick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)\nsmarry@zooid.guild.org (Marc Moorcroft)\ndmosher@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Mosher)\nejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)\nhmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu (Herbert M Petro)\nsmith-una@YALE.EDU (Una Smith)\nmmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)\nurlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)\nac999266@umbc.edu (a Francis Uy)\nwerner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu (John Werner)\nwick@netcom.com (Potter Wickware)\nggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)\nD.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk (D. Wright)\nyarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin)\nask@cblph.att.com\nspm2d@opal.cs.virginia.edu\n\nHere are the people who voted YES:\n\nFSSPR@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU (Hardcore Alaskan)\nkalex@eecs.umich.edu (Ken Alexander)\nph600fht@sdcc14.UCSD.EDU (Alex Aumann)\nfranklin.balluff@Syntex.Com (Franklin Balluff)\nbarash@umbc.edu (Mr. Steven Barash)\nbuild@alan.b30.ingr.com (Alan Barksdale (build))\nlion@TheRat.Kludge.COM (John H. Barlow)\npbarto@UCENG.UC.EDU (Paul Barto)\nryan.bayne@canrem.com (Ryan Bayne)\nmignon@shannon.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Mignon Belongie)\nbeaudot@tirf.grenet.fr (william Beaudot)\nlavb@lise.unit.no (Olav Benum)\nross@bryson.demon.co.uk (Ross Beresford)\nben.best@canrem.com (Ben Best)\nlevi@happy-man.com (Levi Bitansky)\njsb30@dagda.Eng.Sun.COM (James Blomgren)\ngbloom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gregory Bloom)\nmbrader@netcom.com (Mark Brader)\nebrandt@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Eli Brandt)\ndoom@leland.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)\nrc@pos.apana.org.au (Robert Cardwell)\njeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)\nsasha@cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko)\nmclark@world.std.com (Maynard S Clark)\n100042.2703@CompuServe.COM ("A.J. Clifford")\ncoleman@twinsun.com (Mike Coleman)\nsteve@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Steve Coltrin)\ncollier@ivory.rtsg.mot.com (John T. Collier)\ncompton@plains.NoDak.edu (Curtis M. Compton) \nbobc@master.cna.tek.com (Bob Cook)\ncordell@shaman.nexagen.com (Bruce Cordell)\ncormierj@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Cormier Jean-Marc)\ndjcoyle@macc.wisc.edu (Douglas J. Coyle)\ndass0001@student.tc.umn.edu ("John R Dassow-1")\nbdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce Davis)\ndemonn@emunix.emich.edu (Kenneth Jubal DeMonn)\ndesilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)\nmarkd@sco.COM (Mark Diekhans)\nkari@teracons.teracons.com (Kari Dubbelman)\nlhdsy1!cyberia.hou281.chevron.com!hwdub@uunet.UU.NET (Dub Dublin)\nwilldye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye)\n155yegan%jove.dnet.measurex.com@juno.measurex.com (TERRY EGAN)\neder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder)\nglenne@magenta.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Glenn Ellingson)\nfarrar@adaclabs.com (Richard Farrar)\nghsvax!hal@uunet.UU.NET (Hal Finney)\nlxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel)\nafoxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (Foxx)\ni000702@disc.dla.mil (sam frajerman,sppb,x3026,)\nmpf@medg.lcs.mit.edu (Michael P. 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Hindman)\nfishe@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Carwil James)\njanzen@mprgate.mpr.ca (Martin Janzen)\nkarp@skcla.monsanto.com (Jeffery M Karp)\nrk2@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Richard Kelly)\nmerklin@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ed Kemo)\nkessner@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (KESSNER ERIC M)\nmapam@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr R A Khwaja)\nkoski@sunset.cs.utah.edu (Keith Koski)\nkathi@bridge.com (Kathi Kramer)\nbenkrug@jupiter.fnbc.com (Ben Krug)\nfarif@eskimo.com (David Kunz)\nedsr!edsdrd!sel@uunet.UU.NET (Steve Langs)\npa_hcl@MECENG.COE.NORTHEASTERN.EDU (Henry Leong)\nS.Linton@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton)\nalopez@cs.ep.utexas.EDU (Alejandro Lopez 6330)\nkfl@access.digex.com ("Keith F. Lynch")\nKAMCHAR@msu.edu (Charles MacDonald)\nrob@vis.toronto.edu (Robert C. Majka)\nphil@starconn.com (Phil Marks)\ncam@jackatak.raider.net (Cameron Marshall)\nmmay@mcd.intel.com (Mike May ~)\ndrac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)\ni001269@discg2.disc.dla.mil (john mccarrick)\nxyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)\ncuhes@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Malcolm McMahon)\nmcpherso@macvax.UCSD.EDU (John Mcpherson)\nmerkle@parc.xerox.com (Ralph Merkle)\neric@Synopsys.COM (Eric Messick)\npmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\ngmichael@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary R. Michael)\ndat91mas@ludat.lth.se (Asker Mikael)\nMILLERL@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU ("Loren J. Miller")\nminsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)\npmorris@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Paul Morris)\nMark_Muhlestein@Novell.COM (Mark Muhlestein)\ndavid@staff.udc.upenn.edu (R. David Murray)\ngananney@mosaic.uncc.edu (Glenn A Nanney)\nanthony@meaddata.com (Anthony Napier)\ndniman@panther.win.net (Donald E. Niman)\nnistuk@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)\nJonathan@RMIT.EDU.AU (Jonathan O\'Donnell)\nmartino@gomez.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Martin R. Olah)\ncpatil@leland.stanford.edu (Christopher Kashina Patil)\ncrp5754@erfsys01.boeing.com (Chris Payne)\nsharon@acri.fr (Sharon Peleg)\nphp@rhi.hi.is (Petur Henry Petersen)\nchrisp@efi.com (Chris Phoenix)\npierce@CS.UCLA.EDU (Brad Pierce)\njulius@math.utah.edu ("Julius Pierce")\ndplatt@cellar.org (Doug Platt)\nMitchell.Porter@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)\ncpresson@jido.b30.ingr.com (Craig Presson)\nprice@price.demon.co.uk (Michael Clive Price)\nU39554@UICVM.BITNET (Edward S. Proctor)\nstevep@deckard.Works.ti.com (Steve Pruitt)\nMJQUINN@PUCC.BITNET (Michael Quinn)\nrauss@nvl.army.mil (Patrick Rauss)\nremke@cs.tu-berlin.de ("Jan K. Remke")\nag167@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry H. Rodin)\nksackett@cs.uah.edu (Karl R. Sackett)\nrcs@cs.arizona.edu (Richard Schroeppel)\nfschulz@pyramid.com (Frank Schulz)\nkws@Thunder-Island.kalamazoo.MI.US (Karel W. Sebek)\nbseewald@gozer.idbsu.edu (Brad Seewald)\nshapard@manta.nosc.mil (Thomas D. 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Chris Theriault)\nak051@yfn.ysu.edu (Chris Thompson)\ngunnar.thoresen@bio.uio.no (Gunnar Thoresen)\ndreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp)\njerry@cse.lbl.gov (Jerry Tunis)\nmusic@parcom.ernet.in (Rajeev Upadhye)\ntreon@u.washington.edu (Treon Verdery)\nevore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric J Vore)\nU13054@UICVM.BITNET (Howard Wachtel)\nsusan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Susan C Wade)\n70023.3041@CompuServe.COM (Paul Wakfer)\newalker@it.berklee.edu ("Elaine Walker")\njew@rt.sunquest.com (James Ward)\njeremy@ai.mit.edu (Jeremy M. Wertheimer)\nbw@ws029.torreypinesca.NCR.COM (Bruce White 3807)\nweeds@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Mark Wiedman)\nwiesel-elisha@CS.YALE.EDU (Elisha Wiesel)\nWILLINGP@gar.union.edu (WILLING, PAUL)\nsmw@alcor.concordia.ca (Steven Winikoff)\nwright@hicomb.hi.com (David Wright)\nebusew@anah.ericsson.com (Stephen Wright 66667)\nliquidx@cnexus.cts.com (Liquid-X)\nxakellis@uivlsisl.csl.uiuc.edu (Michael G. Xakellis)\ncs012113@cs.brown.edu (Ion Yannopoulos)\nyazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bob Yazz)\nlnz@lucid.com (Leonard N. Zubkoff)\n62RSE@npd1.ufpe.br\nadwyer@mason1.gmu.edu\nART@EMBL-Hamburg.DE\natfurman@cup.portal.com\nbillw@attmail.att.com\ncarl@red-dragon.umbc.edu\ncarlf@ai.mit.edu\ncccbbs!chris.thompson@UCENG.UC.EDU\nCCGARCIA@MIZZOU1.BITNET\nclayb@cellar.org\ndack@permanet.org\ndaedalus@netcom.com\ndanielg@autodesk.com\nDave-M@cup.portal.com\nF_GRIFFITH@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU\ngarcia@husc.harvard.edu\ngav@houxa.att.com\nhammar@cs.unm.edu\nherbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com\nhhuang@Athena.MIT.EDU\nhkhenson@cup.portal.com\nirving@happy-man.com\njeckel@amugw.aichi-med-u.ac.jp\njgs@merit.edu\njmeritt@mental.mitre.org\nJonas_Marten_Fjallstam@cup.portal.com\nkqb@whscad1.att.com\nLPOMEROY@velara.sim.es.com\nlubkin@apollo.hp.com\nkunert@wustlb.wustl.edu\nLINYARD_M@XENOS.a1.logica.co.uk\nM.Michelle.Wrightwatson@att.com\nmoselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz\nnaoursla@eos.ncsu.edu\nng4@husc.harvard.edu\npase70!dchapman@uwm.edu\npocock@math.utah.edu\nRUDI@HSD.UVic.CA\nSCOTTJOR@delphi.com\nstanton@ide.com\nsteveha@microsoft.com\nstu1016@DISCOVER.WRIGHT.EDU\nSYang.ES_AE@xerox.com\ntim.hruby@his.com\nTodd.Kaufmann@FUSSEN.MT.CS.CMU.EDU\ntom@genie.slhs.udel.edu\nUC482529@MIZZOU1.BITNET\nWMILLER@clust1.clemson.edu\nyost@mv.us.adobe.com\n\n(The group still passes if you don\'t count the people for\nwhom I just have email address.)\n\n-Brian <bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu>\n',
"From: dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap)\nSubject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nOrganization: cam.eng\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: club.eng.cam.ac.uk\n\nsmale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:\n\n> Team Biggest Biggest\n>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:\n>-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik\n>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce\n\n ^^^^^^^^\n weren't these two\n traded for each\n other? Poetic justice.\n",
"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Observation re: helmets\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 48\n\n>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:\n>|> \n>|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to\n>|> rock \n>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...\n>|> \n>|> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and \n>|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.\n>|> \n>|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know\n>|> for \n>|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....\n>|> church \n>|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should\n>|> I just \n>|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or\n>|> should I \n>|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my\n>|> likely \n>|> passenger? \n\n\tDo I have to be the one to say it?\n\n\tDON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN\n\tFALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!\n\n\tThat kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.\nIf you fall with the helmet on and you hit the same spot the helmet landed\non during the drop, the helmet may not protect your head as well as it was\nintended to do. Conservative rec.moto'ers will recommend that you replace\nthe helmet. If you want to be sure that it will protect you adequately, you\nshould.\n\n\tHELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON\n\tANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY\n\tWILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.\n\n\tJeezus. My new Shoei would be $340 to replace. You think I'm going\nto leave it to chance?\n\n\tCripe.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n",
"From: system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa)\nSubject: Bhagavad-Gita 2.44\nOrganization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA\nLines: 42\n\n TEXT 44\n\n bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam\n tayapahrta-cetasam\n vyavasayatmika buddhih\n samadhau na vidhiyate\n \nbhoga--to material enjoyment; aisvarya--and opulence; prasaktanam--for\nthose who are attached; taya--by such things;\napahrta-cetasam--bewildered in mind; vyavasaya-atmika--fixed in\ndetermination; buddhih--devotional service to the Lord; samadhau--in\nthe controlled mind; na--never; vidhiyate--does take place.\n \n TRANSLATION\n\n\tIn the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and\nmaterial opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute\ndetermination for devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take\nplace.\n \n PURPORT\n\n\tSamadhi means ``fixed mind.'' The Vedic dictionary, the Nirukti,\nsays, samyag adhiyate 'sminn atma-tattva-yathatmyam: ``When the mind is\nfixed for understanding the self, it is said to be in samadhi.''\nSamadhi is never possible for persons interested in material sense\nenjoyment, nor for those who are bewildered by such temporary things.\nThey are more or less condemned by the process of material energy.\n\nBhagavad-Gita As It Is\nBooks of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami\n\n\n ---------------------------------------------------------\n | Don't forget to chant: |\n | |\n | Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare |\n | Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare |\n | |\n | Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA |\n | (system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us) |\n ---------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!\nOrganization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\n\n\nWell, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the\nlocal ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing\nDavid Brinkley at 12:30 instead of an earlier time slot. I don't\neven understand their problem. If they didnt think enough people would\n\nnot watch the game why would they decide to show most of the game? And\nif they showed the remaining 2.5 hours of the game, would it hurt to play\nDavid Brinkley at its regular time? They dont have any decent programming\nbefore noon anyway. I called the sports dept and blasted them on their\nmachine. I called gain and someone picked it up. When I asked him why they\npremepted the first half hour of the Stanley Cup playoffs, he seemed a bit\nconfused. When I explained a bit more in detail, he then said that's upto\nto our programming dept. call back on Monday. weel, I understand that the\nsports dept is not responsible for this preemption. BUt I can't understand\nhow someone in the sports dept. can't even recognise the name of playoffs\nshown on the very same station he works for.\n\nAnyway, I am going to call them tomorrow and blast them on the phone again.\nI urge all Atlanta hockey fans to call WSB 2 and ask them not to do the\nsame thing for the next 4 weeks.\n\n-Pravin Ratnam(Oh by the way, Pens rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)\n",
"From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Sun\nLines: 33\nNNTP-Posting-Host: concertina\n\nIn article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n>>\n>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day\n>>> in Texas.\n>>\n>>Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n>\n>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.\n>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.\n \nBrent, the Feds turned off the BD's electricity a couple of weeks ago... \n \nPerhaps you haven't been paying attention to the radio, TV, or newspapers, \nthough. \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------\n| Some things are too important not to give away |\n| to everybody else and have none left for yourself. |\n|------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----|\n",
"From: LesleyD@cup.portal.com (Lesley Volta Davidow)\nSubject: Re: Zeos Computers\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 11\n\nI recently purchased the then current Pkg.# 486dx-33 for $2395 (but changed\nto NEC 3FGx monitor upgrade). Buy this Pkg. #3 now - for $100 more, you now\nget a bigger HD - 340mb with @256 HD cache. 30 days ago, when I bought this\npkg., it was 245mb with @132K HD cache. This is a great deal although it is\ngenerally recommended you at least upgrade to the 15' Zeos (CTX) monitor for\n$99 more I believe. Whether you also upgrade to the Diamond Viper video\ncard is your choice. I stayed with the Diamond Speedstar Pro. Zeos Tech\nSupport is really good - call after normal business hours to get the \nfastest access. The hardest part about buying a Zeos is the wait till it is\ndelivered - once you order you can hardly wait to get it! There are quite a\nfew good mail order houses around - lots of bang for buck with Zeos.\n",
'From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill)\nSubject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ\nOrganization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]\nLines: 31\n\nJohn W. Redelfs (cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:\n: \n: I am a Mormon. I believe in Christ, that he is alive. He raised himself\n: [Text deleted]\n:\n: I learned that the concept of the Holy Trinity was never taught by Jesus\n: Christ, that it was "agreed to" by a council of clergymen long after Christ\n: was ascended, men who had no authority to speak for him.\n:\nIf Jesus never taught the concept of the Trinity, how do you deal with the \nfollowing: \n\n Mat 28 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven\n and on earth has been given to me.\n\n Mat 28 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing\n them in¹ the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,\n\n Mat 28 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.\n And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." \n\nAlso Jesus speaking:\n\n Act 1 5 For John baptized with¹ water, but in a few days you will\n be baptized with the Holy Spirit."\n\nI believe that you may have overlooked some key verses, that are crucial to\nthe Christian faith. \n\nJim Burrill\njburrill@boi.hp.com\n',
"From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger)\nSubject: INTEL FAX MODEM FOR SALE\nOrganization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.\nLines: 15\nNntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu\n\nI have an Intel SatisFAXtion Modem/100 INTERNAL for sale.\nIt runs at 2400 baud data mode and up to 9600 baud as a Class 1 fax modem.\nIt transmits up to 9600 baud (V.29) and receives up to 4800 baud (V.27 ter.)\n\nThe modem has all original manuals and comes with software, icluding\n Intel's SatisFAXtion and FAXability, as well as Crosstalk Communicator\n\nI have used this modem less than an hour. It came with my computer and I\n already had another one.\n\nI would like to ask $50 for this modem, but will entertain all serious offers.\n\nPlease email to jmu@acpub.duke.edu\n\nThanks.\n",
'From: jiml@garfunkel.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L)\nSubject: Re: SIMM Speed\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company)\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.150808.27533@news.unomaha.edu>, hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes:\n|> Robert Desonia (robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote:\n|> : B\n|> : BK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying\n|> : BK>wants 80ns simms? \n|> \n|> : You shouldn\'t have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems \n|> : with slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster. \n|> \n|> --\n|> It should run without any trouble of course but why do you want to buy some\n|> 60ns and mixed them with 80ns? 60ns is more expensive than 80ns and\n|> furthermore your machine will run the slowest SIMMs clock speed eventhough\n|> you have 60ns. Just my 0.02cents thought....\n|> \n\n\nYour machine will run at whatever the bus is jumpered to/CMOS is set to\n(usually wait states) regardless of what speed RAM is installed. No\nmotherboard can sense the speed of the RAM installed, unless you call\nfailing as a sort of auto-sense. This is how you can sometimes use\n"slower" RAM in a machine. You either set the number of wait states to\naccomodate the slow RAM (in which case, all memory will run at that\nslower rate) or you reduce the wait states and take the chance that the\nslower RAM will act like faster RAM and you won\'t crash.\n\nPutting faster RAM in won\'t speed things up unless you tell the machine\nit has faster RAM. \n\nMixing fast and slow RAM will not help you if you have to keep the bus \nslowed down to accomodate slow RAM.\n\nJimL\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-- \nMailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\nJames Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267\nNCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM\n',
'From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)\nSubject: Power Arc II Ignition, Super E Carb\nX-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu\nOrganization: HOG HEAVEN\nLines: 35\n\nNow the bike is off warranty, I finally replaced the stock items on my\nSoftail Custom with the title ones. Installation was pretty easy in\nboth cases, even for a fairly non-mechanical chemist type dude like me!\n I discovered the limitations of my tool collection, but had fun buying\nand making the requisite tools!\n\nMC Ignitions Power Arc II Single Fire Ignition: easy to install, but\nread the wiring diagram carefully! Setting the static timing was a\npiece of cake. Once installed, I have found easier starting, smoother\nidle, and more power, plus a more satisfying (to me) bass note in the\nexhaust register...a lovely whompa-whompa-whompa idle :-)\nThe folks at MC Ignitions were great in answering my dumb questions on\nthe phone..... a very helpful bunch of guys with a great product.\n\nS&S Super E Carb: installation easy, once I hacked down an Allen wrench\nto a small anough reach to get at the intake manifold bolts. Tunes like\na dream, just like they say! The stock carb (non-adjustable) was so\nlean that it was gasping and spluttering for gas sometimes, and even\nbackfiring into the intake manifold. The Super E is terrific, no\nhesitation in any gear, and my plugs are a lovely tan color with no\nneed to rejet from the factory settings!\n\nI know this may not seem like much to you grizzled veteran wrenchers\nout there, but I had my bike in so many pieces this weekend I began to\nget worried. But it all went back together again, and runs like a\ndream, so I am feeling pretty happy.\n\nNow all I have to do is install my BUB pipes and try to pass the NH\nNoise Gestapo Test!\n\n\nRuss Hughes \'92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20)\n"Love ...yeah, that\'s the feeling you get when you like something\nas much as your motorcycle."\n --Sonny Barger\n',
"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nDistribution: na\nLines: 33\n\nandersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:\n\n> methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,''\n> Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict\n> controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration\n> of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug\n> dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the\n> approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground\n> economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who\n> live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.''\n\nAnd some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the\nCripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the\ncivil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist\n- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's\nanother of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the\ncommunist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is\n(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course,\nexplaining them how much better the situation is now...\n\nIn my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and\nfight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already\ntoo late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been\nviolated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of\nthis people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: The Armenian architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.160145.22909@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:\n\n>My personal problem with Romanian culture is that I am\n>not aware of one. There is an anecdote about Armenians\n\nTroglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level.\nThe image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in \ntheir background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and \nindependence, they have always been subservient, and engaged \nin undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed \ngenocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia \nand Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and \nfully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry \nduring World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing, \nrebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the \nArmenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians \nengaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal \nthey tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million \nTurks and Kurds before and during World War I.\n\nAnd, you don\'t pull nations out of a hat.\n\n\nSource: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."\n New York (St. Martin\'s Press), 1980.\n\nThis generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information\nof direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: \n\na) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and\nthe architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most \nrespected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional \nRepublic in Berlin during World War II; \n\nb) this \'provisional government\' fully endorsed and espoused the social \ntheories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members \nof the Aryan \'Super-Race;\' \n\nc) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves \nwith the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, \n\nd) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side \nby side with the Wehrmacht.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)\nSubject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\nOriginator: sehari@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu\nOrganization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.\nLines: 55\n\nIn <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes:\n\n>In article <sehari.735331566@marge.ecss.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:\n>>---\n>>\n>>I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how\n>>effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area?\n>>\n>> With highest regards,\n>> Babak Sehari.\n\n>\tUh oh...\n>\tUmm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve\n>modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c.\n>\tAll of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have\n>been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new\n>ways to "crack" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact\n>is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or\n>less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked.\n>\tI guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not\n>impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good\n>one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying\n>to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions,\n>assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea,\n>legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of\n>files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy\n>protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for\n>practical applications, and are merely curious?\n>\tPlease clear up those questions, and I\'ll try to help as much as I\n>can.\n\n>\tIncidentally, the "Uh oh..." at the top is indicative of the dread\n>anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels\n>when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with\n>dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it\n>(from one side or the other.)\n\n>Matt\n\nI have written a program and I want to market it. I would like certain degree\nof protection, since my main custmers are individuals and not the \ncooperations. I know laser hole burning method, and hardware key method,\nhowever, my software is going to cost only $15.00, so I can not afford that.\nAlso, at this low price I can not afford people make too many copy of my\nsoftware. Well, I guess say upto %20 illigal copying is ok by me.\n\nHowever, I do not want someone to get a copy of PCTools and copy my software. \nOff course, I never meant to forbid the true hackers from copying, since they\ncan develope a better program anyway.\n\n With highest regards,\n Babak Sehari.\n\n\n-- \n',
"From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine)\nSubject: Subscription\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 7\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nPlease subscribe me to this mailing list\n\n Michael D. Grapevine | One of these days,\n USN SWC | One of these days,\n Code 4G33 | POW!\n grape@suned1.nswses.navy.mil | It's gonna happen,\n Bus: (805) 982-7791 | and I won't even realize it.\n",
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #011\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 210\n\n Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #011\n Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n +-------------------------------------------------------+\n | |\n | "Right, we should slaughter the Armenians!" and |\n | "There\'s no need to be afraid, all of Moscow is |\n | behind us." I even heard that: "All Moscow is |\n | behind us." Well I watched and listened in and |\n | realized that this was no joke. |\n |\t\t\t\t\t\t\t|\n +-------------------------------------------------------+\n\nDEPOSITION OF YURI VAGARSHAKOVICH MUSAELIAN\n\n Born 1953\n Line Electrician\n Sumgait Streetcar and Trolleybus Administration\n\n Resident at Building 4/21, Apartment 29\n Block 14, Narimanov Street\n Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nI spent almost all of February doing overhaul. The 27th was a short day at\nwork, we worked until eleven or eleven-thirty and left for home. I decided\nto go for a short walk. I went to Primorsky Park. I walked past the Eternal\nFlame and saw a group of about 8 to 10 people standing there. When I had\nwalked another 15 to 20 yards I heard the screech of automobile brakes\nbehind me. I turned my head toward the sound. It was a light blue GAZ-24\nVolga. I see that the people who were standing there have gone over to the \ncar. A man and a woman get out. The man is expensively dressed, in a suit,\nand the woman has a raincoat on. She doesn\'t have anything on her head, and \nher hair is let down, sightly reddish hair, a heavy-set woman. They\'re 40 to \n45 years old. They get something out of the trunk. The people start to help\nthem. I become curious just what are they pulling out of there?\n\nWhen I got up close I heard them turn something on. I didn\'t see what it was, \nbut it was probably a tape recorder. They put it on the ground near the \nEternal Flame honoring the 26 Baku Commissars and formed a tight circle\naround it. I ask, "What\'s going on?" Someone tells me, "Come listen." Well\nthey were Azerbaijanis, I had asked in Azerbaijani. I hear appeals: "Brother\nMuslims, our time has come . . . " and something else along that line. I\ndidn\'t understand what it was all about. I walked around the group trying to \nget a look at the owner of the tape recorder. But the circle drew in tighter. \nNew people started coming from various directions, five here, seven there. And\nthe comments started: "Right, we should slaughter the Armenians!" and "There\'s\nno need to be afraid, all of Moscow is behind us." I even heard that: "All \nMoscow is behind us." Well I watched and listened in and realized that this \nwas no joke. I quietly left and went home.\n\nNow before that at work I had heard that something was going on in Karabagh, \nthat there were demonstrations there. Well, people were saying all kinds of \nthings, but I didn\'t have any idea what was really going on.\n\nMy wife and son were at home, but my daughter was at my aunt\'s house in Baku. \nI didn\'t say anything to my wife. We sat and drank tea. Sometime around two\no\'clock right behind our house suddenly there is noise, whistling, and \nshouting. I looked out the window and saw a crowd. The crowd is moving slowly,\nlike they show on TV when blacks in South Africa are striking or having a \ndemonstration and move slowly.\n\nMy wife asks what\'s going on out there. I say I don\'t know. I put on some\noutdoor clothes and went out to find out what it was all about. In the crowd\npeople are shouting "Down with the Armenians!" and "Death to the Armenians!" I\nwaited for the entire crowd to pass. At first they went down Narimanov Street \non the side with the SK club and the City Party Committee; then they turned \nand went against the traffic--it\'s one way there--down the Street of the 26 \nBaku Commissars toward the streetcar line. I went home and told my wife there \nwas a demonstration going on. In fact I thought that we were having the same \nkind of demonstrations that they had had in Yerevan and in Karabagh. Aside \nfrom the things they were shouting, I was surprised that there were only young\npeople in the crowd. And they were minors, under draft age.\n\nMy wife and son wanted to go upstairs to visit a friend, but I was kind of\nuneasy and said, "No, let\'s stay at home instead." An hour went by, or maybe \nan hour and a half. Well, I wasn\'t keeping track of the time, I can\'t say\nexactly how long it was. I look and see another crowd on Narimanov, but now on\nthe side with the microdistricts, the bazaar, and the Rossiya movie theater.\n\nI put outside clothes on and went out again. There\'s noise, an uproar outside,\nand the crowd has grown. There are more people. And whereas the first time \nthere were individual shouts, this time they are more focused, more \naggressive. No, I think, something\'s wrong here, this isn\'t any demonstration.\nThey would run, stop, then walk quickly and make sharp dashes, and then run \nagain. I was walking along the sidewalk and they were in the street. I \nfollowed them. I was thinking I\'d just watch and see. Who knew where this was \nleading? We came out on Lenin Square. At the square the SK club is on one \nside, and the City Party Committee is on the other. I went toward the square \nand heard noise and shouting, as though the whole town had turned out. There \nwas some sort of a rally going on. I go closer and hear exclamations, appeals.\nI heard both anti-Armenian and anti-Soviet appeals. "We don\'t need \nperestroika, we want to go on living like we have been." Now what did they \nmean by "living like we have been?" The Azerbaijanis work like everyone else. \nBut too many people live at the expense of the government and at the expense \nof others. Speculation, theft, and cheating go on all the time. And not just \nin Azerbaijan, everywhere, in all the republics, but I\'ve never seen it \nanywhere else like I have in Azerbaijan.\n\nNow at this rally someone says that they should go around to the Armenians\' \napartments and drive them out, beat them and drive them out. True, I didn\'t \nhear them say "kill them" over the microphone, I only heard "beat them and \ndrive them out." I stayed at the square a few minutes longer. First one, then\nanother are going up onto the stage, and no one tries to stop the crowd. Off\nto the side of the crowd there were small groups of three or four people, and \nI think they were MVD [Ministry of Internal Affairs] or State Security KGB.\nThere were also uniformed policemen there, but I didn\'t see any of them try \nto pacify the crowd. New people kept coming up onto the stage.\n\nWell I had finally decided that this could end badly: This was no\ndemonstration, and I had to protect my family.\n\nI left the Square to return home and suddenly noticed a truck. It was next\nto the City Party Committee, on Narimanov Street, it stood next to the tai-\nlor\'s shop there, a low truck, and it had low, wooden panels. I see that some-\nthing is being unloaded, crates of some sort. I decided to go look because\nafter all those appeals I was apprehensive and thought there might be weapons\nin there. They pulled the crates out onto the square, not toward the City \nParty Committee, but toward the SK club. And when I went right up to them I \nsaw that they were cases of vodka. There were two people handing down the \ncases from the bed of the truck, and on the ground there were many people, 15 \nto 20. They were handing them down from the truck and each case was carried \noff by two people. Two people, one case of vodka. And there was a man standing\nright next to the truck and he was handing out roundish black lumps, maybe \nabout the size of a fist, maybe a little bigger or smaller. It was anasha. \nWhen I passed next to that person, he stood with his side to me. There was \nabout a yard and a half between us, and two people were standing near him. He \nhas a package in his hand, and he\'s pulling out anasha and handing it out. I \nhave never smoked it myself. Once I tried it for fun, but I\'ve seen a lot of \npeople smoke it, I\'ve seen it many times, and I know what it is. I strolled \naround and no one asked me who I was or what I was doing there.\n\nBefore I got to the Glass Bazaar I heard more howling, more warlike shouting. \nI turned around and saw them running. Well I\'ll just keep on going like I am, \nI thought. When they caught up with me I saw that they were carrying flags. \nAnd I recognized the person who was carrying the flag on my side of the \nstreet. He\'s a young guy, 21 or 22 years old. He was carrying a red flag, \nwhich had "Ermeni oryum" written on it in Azerbaijani, that means "Death to \nArmenians!" That guy used to live off the same courtyard as us. I don\'t really\nknow what his name is, but I know his father very well. His father\'s name is\nRafik; he used to be a cook, and then became head chef. He used to have a dark\nblue Zhiguli van, then he sold it and now he has a white Zhiguli 06. His \nfamily, as I said, lived on the same courtyard as we did. Our building was on \nNarimanov Street, and theirs was on the Street of the 26 Baku Commissars; \ntheir apartment was in the far entryway, on the fifth floor, the door on the \nleft. Now Rafik\'s little brother lives there, and he, Rafik, I heard, got a \nnew apartment either in the forth or eighth microdistrict. In a word, his son \nwas carrying a flag that said "Death to Armenians!" I was surprised because \nbefore this I had gotten the impression that all of this nonsense was being \ndone not by people from Sumgait, but by Azerbaijanis from Agdam and Kafan.\n\nWell anyway I went home. My wife was upset. I told her, "It\'s OK, it\'ll pass, \nthey\'re young kids, they\'ve just gotten all whooped up." Naturally I didn\'t \nwant her to get overly upset. After a while a new surge of crowd went by. And \nthis time they were breaking glass. I could hear it breaking, but I couldn\'t \nsee where. Well I think, here we go, the machine\'s in motion. They weren\'t \nhanding out that vodka and anasha for nothing. I didn\'t see people drinking \nand smoking on the spot, but they certainly hadn\'t unloaded the vodka and \nhashish to put in a store window!\n\nSo the thought flashed through my head that the machine was running, no one \nwould stop them now, they weren\'t even trying, although, I\'ll say it again, \nthe police were there, I saw them. And it\'s not just that the police weren\'t \nbreaking them up, they were joking with them, they were having a good time. \nTrue, at the time I couldn\'t even imagine that under our government, our much-\nvaunted leadership--and I\'m not afraid to say these words: so many people \ndied, So many women were abused, and how many abominations there were!--I \ncouldn\'t imagine that under our much-vaunted authorities, and if I were to be \nspecific, I would say under the much-touted authorities in our city of \nSumgait, I couldn\'t imagine that such things could take place.\n\nWhen they started breaking glass I told my wife and son: "Let\'s go upstairs." \nWe went to our neighbors, the Grigorians, on the fourth floor. And in the \nevening, when those crowds started going past again, I went outside once more.\nI stopped at "The Corner," a place called that right next to the bazaar. I \nlook and see a crowd on the run. And there, a few yards from the entrance to \nthe bazaar, are three respectable-looking men of around, say, 50 years old. \nThe crowd was running and one of the three waved with his arm and pointed \ntoward the bazaar. And then the whole crowd, as though it were one person, \nwheeled and raced toward the bazaar. And not a soul went past those three, as \nthough it were off limits! Well everything got all churned up, there was more \nnoise, and the glass was flying again.\n\nWe spent the night at the neighbors\'. My apartment was on the first floor,\nthere was really no way to defend yourself there.\n\nIn the morning I went out to buy bread and to see what was happening in town. \nOn the way I saw someone hunched up, still. I never found out who it was or \nwhat happened to him. There were 10 to 15 people standing near him. I got the \nbread and on my way back, they had gathered around the person who was lying \nthere hunched up, sort of enclosing him; because of the way they were standing\nyou couldn\'t even see him.\n\nThat was on the morning of February 28. Everyone knows the rest.\n\n May 17, 1988\n Yerevan\n\n\t\t - - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 161-164\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
"From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nDistribution: na\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C4tM1H.ECF@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>\n>For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers.\n>Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier:\n>\n>\t\t\thandgun homicides/population\n>\t\t\t----------------------------\n>\tSwitzerland :\t24 / 6,350,000\n>\t UK : 8 / 55,670,000\n>\n>.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more\n>liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER.\n>Your choice.\n\nPlease, PAY ATTENTION.\nI, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST\nHANDGUN HOMICIDES. In terms of how likely are you to be killed,\n(regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a\nhigher homicide rate. Period. You are more likely to be killed in the\nUK than in Switzerland. If you were to be murdered with a handgun,\nthen yes, Switzerland has a higher rate. But, to belabor the point,\nyou are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the\nweapon is irrelevant. The UK is more violent, period.\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n>\n",
"From: jec@watson.ibm.com\nSubject: Contraceptive pill\nReply-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: mythen.zurich.ibm.com\nOrganization: Watson Research Center\nLines: 9\n\nA very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive\npill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to\nfall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the \novule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine\npregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian\ntube ?\n\nJ.Cherbonnier\njec@zurich.ibm.com\n",
'From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative\nOrganization: DSI/USCRPAC\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1r0nov$p3e@access.digex.net> steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve\nBrinich) writes:\n\n\n>\n> 1. American manufacturers peddling Cripple Chips with a secret untested\n> algorithm whose keys are held by people with a history of untrustworthy\n> behavoir, or\n>\n\ner, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren\'t yet chosen, how can you\nsay they have a "history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]"?\n\nI\'m sure each of us can think of agencies without such a history. Price\nWaterhouse has kept the secret of the Academy Awards for many years, even in\nthe face of an aggressive press. The Federal Reserve Open Market Committee\nhas successfully kept decisions from leaking for the statutory period until\npublication. Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop\nforecasts from leaking prematurely.\n\nFrankly, I\'d trust the above (not the D of A, of course since they might be\nsubject to political pressure) far sooner than the ACLU, EFF, or CPSR which,\nthough not exactly government apologists, have no particular track record\nfor internal security that I know of.\n\nDavid\n\n-- \nDavid Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n our information, errors and omissions excepted. \n\n\n',
"From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)\nSubject: Re: What is Zero dB????\nOrganization: The Software Engineering Institute\nLines: 10\n\n\nIn article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes:\n\n> The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus\n> our use of the Ohms...\n\n\nYeah, right. And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite.\n\nRich\n",
'From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead)\nSubject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction\n\t<1993Apr5.144853.3842@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com>\nOrganization: California State University, Chico\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu\nIn-reply-to: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com\'s message of 05 Apr 1993 06:48:53 PST\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.144853.3842@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes:\n ... an amazing illustration of disconnection from reality.\n\nGlad to see that you agree that the current Government is reticent\nabout admitting the sovereignty of the people! Speaking from personal\nexperience, I have had judges illegally assume jurisdiction even after\nI demanded that the DA prove such jurisdiction on the record, and the\nDA stood mute. I have also had an appellate court uphold such action\nand hide behind California Rules of Court, Rule 106 ("The judges of\nthe appellate department shall not be required to write opinions in\nany cases decided by them, but may do so whenever they deem it\nadvisable or in the public interest."). That is reality, I agree.\n\n\n\n\n--\nRonald Cole E-mail: zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu\nSenior Software Engineer Phone: +1 916 899 2100\nOPTX International \n "The Bill Of Rights -- Void Where Prohibited By Law"\n',
'From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert)\nSubject: Re: Smoker\'s Lungs\nArticle-I.D.: blue.7934\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n>How long does it take a smoker\'s lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? \n>Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take\n>a considerable amount of time for that to happen?\n\nThe answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without\ndoing a lot of autopsies. The second question is something that\'s been\nknown for some time. It appears that within about 15 years of quitting\nsmoking a person\'s risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the\nperson who never smoked (assuming you do not get lung cancer in the\ninterim!). The risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per\nday for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non-smoker. Still\nrather low overall, but significant. Personally, I\'d be more concerned\nabout heart disease secondary to smoking -- it\'s much more common, and\neven a small increase in risk is significant there.\n\n-- \n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n= Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh =\n= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer! =\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n',
"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: islamic genocide\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n \n(Deletion)\n>#>Few people can imagine dying for capitalism, a few\n>#>more can imagine dying for democracy, but a lot more will die for their\n>#>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who Died on the Cross for their Sins.\n>#>Motivation, pure and simple.\n>\n>Got any cites for this nonsense? How many people will die for Mom?\n>Patriotism? Freedom? Money? Their Kids? Fast cars and swimming pools?\n>A night with Kim Basinger or Mel Gibson? And which of these things are evil?\n>\n \nRead a history book, Fred. And tell me why so many religions command to\ncommit genocide when it has got nothing to do with religion. Or why so many\nreligions say that not living up to the standards of the religion is worse\nthan dieing? Coincidence, I assume. Or ist part of the absolute morality\nyou describe so often?\n \nTheism is strongly correlated with irrational belief in absolutes. Irrational\nbelief in absolutes is strongly correlated with fanatism.\n Benedikt\n",
'From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nDistribution: na\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5so84.Hxv@demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:\n>In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n>:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public\n>:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few\n>:isolated \'respected experts\' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a\n\nOne more time...\n\n If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone\n to come up with an implementation which was identical, but\n lacking an escrowed key.\n\n Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was\n being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this\n case security means "an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip".\n\n\n Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of\n the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy :\n\n (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key\n (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key\n in government escrow.\n\n There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second\n source, non escrowed, vendor.\n',
"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Proton/Centaur?\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\nWell thank you dennis for your as usual highly detailed and informative \nposting. \n\nThe question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at\none of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be\nhandled at kourou or Vandenberg? \n\nNow if it uses storables, then how long would it take for the russians\nto equip something at cape york?\n\nIf Proton were launched from a western site, how would it compare to the\nT4/centaur? As i see it, it should lift very close to the T4.\n\npat\n",
'From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)\nSubject: _The Andromeda Strain_\nSummary: How well does it hold up?\nOrganization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX\nLines: 28\n\nJust had the opportunity to watch this flick on A&E -- some 15 years\nsince I saw it last. \n\nI was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film\nfor handling infectious diseases (and similar toxic substances).\nClearly they "faked" a lot of the computer & robotic technology;\ncertainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction\nitself, let alone the idea of a "space germ". \n\nQuite coincidentally [actually this is what got me wanted to see\nthe movie again] I watched a segment on the otherwise awful _How\'d\nThey Do That?_ dealing with a disease researcher at the CDC\'s top\nlab. There was description of the elaborate security measures taken\nso that building will never be "cracked" so to speak by man or\nnature (short of deliberate bombing from the air, perhaps). And\nthe researchers used "spacesuits" similar to that in the film.\n\nI\'m curious what people think about this film -- short of "silly".\nIs such a facility technically feasible today? \n\nAs far as the plot, and the crystalline structure that is not Life\nAs We Know It, that\'s a whole \'nother argument for rec.arts.sf.tech\nor something.\n-- \n | Next: a Waco update ... an Ohio prison update ... a Bosnia update ... a |\n | Russian update ... an abortion update ... and a Congressional update ... |\n | here on SNN: The Standoff News Network. All news, all standoff, all day |\n Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract\n',
'From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)\nSubject: Re: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?)\nOrganization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.131954.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:\n\n>Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the "power/influence" of readers...\n>Sorry, Mark.\n\nI think I can. Largely as a result of efforts by people reading this group\nwriting letters and making phone calls the following has happened:\n\n1. NASA reprogrammed funds to keep NASP alive in 1991.\n2. Efforts to kill DC-X and the SSRT progam where twice twarted\n (Feb. and June of last year).\n3. Gouldin kept his job in spite of heavy lobbying against him.\n\nThis may not be what Mark was thinking of but it shows that the\nreaders of sci.space DO have power and influence.\n\n Allen\n\n-- \n+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |\n| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |\n+----------------------58 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+\n',
'From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)\nSubject: Re: Help with backpack\nOrganization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nSanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote:\n\n: The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given\n: the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and\n: was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.\n\n: Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?\n\nPut the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest.\nIf that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the\nbackrest, just make sure it doesn\'t bend or break anything like the rear\nfender or turnsignals.\n--\n\n*******************************************************************************\n* Bill Ranck ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *\n* "Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous. They may cut you off *\n* entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go." *\n* pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991 *\n*******************************************************************************\n',
'From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God?\nLines: 89\n\nnote: i am not the original poster, i am just answering because i\nthink this is important.\n\nIn article <May.5.02.50.17.1993.28624@athos.rutgers.edu> db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:\n>revdak@netcom.com writes:\n[evil result of human sinfulness, rather than the will of God]\n>In a certain sense yes. But in the sense that God allows evil to\n>happen, when obviously (He being God) He could have not had it happen,\n>does in a certain sense mean that He wills it to happen. God does not\n>condone evil, but instead uses it for good, as you say, however, what\n>God desires, must be seperated from what actually happens. For example,\n>"God desires that all should be saved" (1 Timothy 2.4), however, it is\n>quite obvious that nowhere near all are saved. Was God\'s will thwarted?\n> No, because His will cannot be escaped, for even when it appears that\n>it is your will doing something, it is actually the will of God which by\n>His grace has disposed us to do as He wishes. So we come to the age old\n>question, why does evil occur? To which we must answer that God allows\n>evil to occur, though He does not condone it, so that His ultimate plan\n>may be brought to sucess. Personally, I suggest reading the parts of\n>the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas that deal with the knowledge of God\n>to get a good grasp on this whole idea.\n\nwhoo. i\'m going to have to be very careful with my language here. i\nthink God is voluntarily giving up his omniscience in this world so\nthat we can decide on our own where we go -- free will. in this sense\nGod allows evil to occur, and in this sense can be "held responsible"\nas my chaplain says. however, his will is, of course, that all be\nsaved. he\'s not going to save us "by himself" -- we have to take a\nstep in his direction before he will save us. read that last sentence\ncarefully -- i\'m not saying we save ourselves. i\'m saying we have to\nACCEPT our salvation. i do not believe in predestination -- it would\nappear from what you say further down that you do. \n\n[stuff deleted]\n>I am not saying that anyone deserves punishment more than someone else.\n>I am simply pointing out that God could be using the Serbians and\n>Croatians as instruments of His punishment, as he did with the\n>Israelites against the Cannanites.\n\nok -- i have trouble with that, but i guess that\'s one of those things\nthat can\'t be resolved by argument. i accept your interpretation.\n\n[more deleted]\n>>The issue is not questioning why God has made the world in the way God\n>>so chooses, it is whether _I_ am discerning the world in the way God\n>>intends it. The debate is about whether we should not oppose the Serbians\n>>in their "ethnic cleansing" because they might be "doing the will of God."\n>\n>And I said Christians should not be participants in such wars and\n>slaughters. That does not mitigate the fact that God allows this evil to\n>continue, for He is patient and willing that none should perish, so He\n>waits for those whom He has foreknown to turn to Him from their evil.\n\t\t\t ^^^^^^^^^\nthis is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination.\nam i correct? i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all\nchoose whether or not we will accept God\'s gift of salvation to us.\nagain, fundamental difference which can\'t really be resolved.\n\n[yet more deleted]\n>I am not saying that the evil befalling the Bosnians is justified by\n>their guilt. I am saying that it is possible that God is punishing them\n>in this way. In no way is this evil justified, bu that does not mean\n>that God cannot use evil to further His purposes. I am not accusing the\n>Bosnians, though they may very well be guilty of great sins, but that is\n>up to God to judge. We are all defendants when the time comes for our\n>judgement by God. Let us all sincerely hope and pray that we will have\n>Jesus Christ as our advocate at that judgement.\n\nyes, it is up to God to judge. but he will only mete out that\npunishment at the last judgement. as for now, evil can be done by\nhuman beings that is NOT God\'s will -- and the best we can do is see\ntaht some good comes out of it somehow. the thing that most worries\nme about the "it is the will of God" argument is that this will\nconvince people that we should not STOP the rape and killing when i\nthink that it is most christ-like to do just that. if jesus stopped\nthe stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is not a good\nparallel, but i\'m going to go with it anyway), why should we not stop\nthe murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more\ninnocent?\n\n>Andy Byler\n\nvera\n*******************************************************************************\nI am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes\nI am your religion! | the strong name of the\t | noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nI own you!\t | Trinity....\t\t | no disclaimer -- what\n\t- Lard\t |\t- St. Patrick\'s Breastplate | is there to disclaim?\n*******************************************************************************\n',
'From: dale@odie.cs.mun.ca (Dale Fraser)\nSubject: Re: AHL News: St John\'s news, part XXXVIII\nOrganization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland\nLines: 49\n\nbrifre1@ac.dal.ca writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr13.132906.1827@news.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:\n>> Pete Raymond emailed me this piece of info. Not sure if Game 7 was\n>> intentionally or unintentionally omitted (ie date not set).\t\n>> \n>> BRI\n>> ================================================================\n>> [begin quoted material]\n>> \n>> Because of the Moncton win Friday night Halifax was eliminated thus St.\n>> John\'s will make Halifax home. The first round of play-offs wil take place\n>> on these dates.\n>> \n>> \tApril 14 - Halifax Metro Center (Leafs Home Game)\n>> April 17 - Halifax Metro Center\n>> \n>> \tApril 21 - Moncton\n>> \tApril 23 - Moncton\n>> \n>> \tApril 26 - Halifax Metro Center\n>> \n>> \tApril 30 - Moncton\n>> \n>This is a Halifax (or at least this Halifax) resident\'s dream come true!!\n>The leafs are my favorite NHL team (and no, I don\'t know why)!!!!!!!!!\n>I\'d say that this is even better than the Citadels making the playoffs (a\n>Quebec farm team; who cares??).\n\n>By the way, for any NFLD fans....I\'m sure ASN will carry some of the games\n>(they\'d be stupid not to....but then this is ASN)\nI haven\'t heard any news about ASN carrying any games but the local\ncable station here in St. John\'s (Cable 9) is carrying the games live!\n\nHey, it\'s better than nothing!\n\nGO LEAFS GO!!!\n\nDale\n\n|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|\n| "Why sex is so popular | Dale Fraser dale@odie.cs.mun.ca |\n| Is easy to see: | Memorial University of Newfoundland |\n| It contains no sodium | CS Undergrad - Class of \'92 |\n| And it\'s cholesterol free!" |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| \n| Shelby Friedman | BLUE JAYS 1992 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!! |\n|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|\n| *OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE DO NOT BELONG TO ME OR THIS INSTITUTION!* |\n|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|\n',
"From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)\nSubject: Re: Braves & Giants\nOrganization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <13536@news.duke.edu> fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:\n>\n>\tCox should've protested the game the second time the garbage got\n>thrown at his outfielders. He should also have protested the game at the\n>point where Ron Gant was assessed the second strike in the ninth, on the\n>grounds that he (Cox) was on the field and time should have been called.\n\nBoth protests would be denied, of course. The umpire's judgement\ndetermines the garbage thing, although I think the game should be\ncalled (but that's my personal opinion...doesn't matter). There\nis time only when the ump says, so the second argument is baseless.\n\n\n--dave\n",
'From: sdixon@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon)\nSubject: Re: My original post (Was Jesus Black?)\nOrganization: Bowling Green State University Student\nLines: 11\n\nMy, my, my. I knew that I would receive a response to my post, but not\nTHIS extensive. Thank you to all who responded; it at least showed that\npeople were willing to think about it, even though the general response was\na return to the same old "Why should it matter?" question. To those of you\nwho were a part of this response, I suggest that you read the articles\ncovering this same question in soc.culture.african.american, for you are in\nDIRE need of some cultural enlightenment.\n\nHasta luego\n\nSherlette\n',
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: About this \'Center for Policy Resea\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 85\n\nIn article <1483500350@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n\n>It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested\n>who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige.\n\nTrumpets, please.\n\n>My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My\n>mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the \'undesirables\'\n>(at that times this group was defined as \'Jews\'). She was forced to go\n>to Palestine due to many cynical factors. \n\n"Forced to go to Palestine." How dreadful. Unlike other\nundesirables/Jews, she wasn\'t forced to go into a gas chamber, forced\nunder a bulldozer, thrown into a river, forced into a "Medical\nexperiment" like a rat, forced to march until she dropped dead, burned\nto nothingness in a crematorium. Your mother was "forced to go to\nPalestine." You have our deepest sympathies.\n\n>I have meanwhile settled in Iceland (30 years ago) \n\nWe are pleased to hear of your escape. At least you won\'t have to\nsuffer the same fate that your mother did.\n\n>and met many people who were thrown out from\n>my homeland, Palestine, \n\nYour homeland, Palestine? \n\n>because of the same reason (they belonged to\n>the \'indesirables\'). \n\nShould we assume that you are refering here to Jews who were kicked\nout of their homes in Jerusalem during the Jordanian Occupation of\nEast Jerusalem? These are the same people who are now being called\nthieves for re-claiming houses that they once owned and lived in and\nnever sold to anyone?\n\n>These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem\n>with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare\n>not Jews. \n\nI have never heard of NOT being a Jew as a crime. Certainly in\nIsrael, there is no such crime. In some times and places BEING a Jew\nis a crime, but NOT being a Jew??!!\n\n>My conscience does not accept such injustice, period. \n\nOur brains do not accept your logic, yet, either.\n\n>My\n>work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism\n>and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices\n>in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based\n>on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism\n>from Israel. \n\nThe way you\'ve written this, you seem to accept criticism in the Arab\nworld UNLESS it deflects criticism from Israel, in which case, we have\nto presume, you no longer support criticism of the Arab world.\n\n>The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal.\n\nLook who\'s taling about discrimination now!\n\n>The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities\n>undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command\n>the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal\n>institution and works with minimal funds.\n\nBe careful. You are starting to sound like Barfling.\n\n>Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published \n>several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe.\n>\n>I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in\n>a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful.\n\nGood. Don\'t call yourself "ARF" or "the Center for Policy Research",\neither. \n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!)\nSummary: prior to Devils at Islanders Pregame\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 30\n\n\n* The Keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated $5M\nin playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket-holders (!), plus\nParamount chief Stan Jaffe's chip against the Flyers over l'Affaire\nLindros last autumn. Add to this that Neilsen might return as an\nassistant coach [Gerald, what'd I say earlier today??], and Roger\nconferred with Jaffe on the hiring. This hiring by Jaffe went over\nthe head of MSG, Inc. (Par. subsidiary) head Bob Gutkowski and over\nthe head and the protests of Pres./GM Neil Smith.\n\n* MSG is making the announcement on Saturday to get back at the\nIslanders for making the playoffs (i.e., steal the press).\n\n* Flyers owner Ed Snyder is livid and beside himself over this.\n\n* Keenan will make up to $900,000/yr.\n\n* Gary Bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at\nGil Stein's admission into the Hall of Fame.\n\n* New crease colours, rather than blue?\n\n* The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year.\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n",
'From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog)\nSubject: A: DRIVE WON\'T BOOT\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\nHi!\n\nI recently switched my 3.5" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and\nwrite to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can\'t boot from a floppy in A:.\nI\'ve checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot \nOrder A:,C:. \n\nOnce, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a\nmessage telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn\'t work.\nWhen I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens:\n1) Power-on and Memory Test;\n2) A: light comes on\n3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep;\n4) HD light comes on for an instant;\n5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens\n\nThe light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen \nblanks. I can\'t even use ctrl-alt-del.\n\nAny suggestions.\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nEric Balog \nbalog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\n',
'From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)\nSubject: Moving On\nNntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 25\n\nWell, it\'s been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and\nIt will be a while before I have net access again (taking\ntime off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer\non joint operations, and anything else that looks good).\nI have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on\nthings posted here. My final say is 9mm\'s are inferior\nto .45\'s errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I\'ll be back.\nI guess "internet withdrawl" starts around 1pm or so and\nconsidering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am\nreally going to miss it. \n\nOH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the\n"Military issue" boots, good luck, I think you will be\nhappy with the tankers boots.\n-- \n##########################################################\nThere are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES \n and TARGETS !!!\n#1/XS1100LH\tDoD #956 #2 Next raise\nRichard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063\nInternet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist \n#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!\nI Don\'t shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo\nin the same store.\n\n',
"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ?\nKeywords: VRAM Quadra 800\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 15\n\nwstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:\n\n>I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS do I\n>need to buy?\n\n None. You need to buy 2 80ns 256k VRAM SIMMs. They cost about $30\neach from your favorite memory distributor.\n\n>Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take out the\n>current VRAM before I add more?\n\n The 512k is soldered to the logic board. There are 2 SIMM slots for\nexpansion.\n\n-Hades\n",
'From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)\nSubject: FOR SALE 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 (Michigan)\nArticle-I.D.: um.Brian.Vaughan.1.734105018\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Michigan\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dss1.uis.itd.umich.edu\n\nFor sale 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 with 6682 miles.\nExcellent condition. Kept in a garage. Asking $2200.\n\n - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -\n He who Joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already\n earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by\n mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.\n -- Albert Einstein --\n - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -\n Brian Vaughan brian_vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu\n',
'From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu)\nSubject: Is it possible ?\nOrganization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 13\n\n\nHello.\n\n Is it possible to know minimize program manager when starting an\n application and to restore it when the application is ended ?\n If possible, please tell me how to do it !\n\n\n-- \n===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) =====================\n Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw \n CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw\n \n',
"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)\nSubject: Re: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986.\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nDistribution: na\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <C5JKIK.1zF@ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes:\n>Was going over some videos last night.....\n\n\nAnd you wrote an *excellent* report about it.\n\n\n>1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds,\n> not gain more bulk.\n>\n>2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's\n> lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed.\n>\n>3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like\n> Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is\n> released. Downing could do this without significant head movement -\n> Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his\n> stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes,\n> they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard\n> to make adjustments in your swing.\n\n\nI understand (from an unreliable source) that Canseco was considered\nexpendable by the A's when he refused to accept any coaching about\nhis batting stance. The A's brain trust came to believe that his\nback problems were exacerbated, if not caused, by having a wide open\nstance, closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque\n(that's a paraphrase of what I remember).\n\nIn any event, Canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide\nhis stance, and the A's began to believe that he would either reinjure\nhimself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power.\n\n\n\n>Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch,\n>so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing.\n\nApparently, you sound like LaRussa.\n\n>Second, drop 20 pounds. Cut out the weight work.\n\nThe A's also objected about this.\n\n\n>If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back\n>problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years. If not, he could\n>still hit 600+ HR.\n\nAgain, I'm just repeating something I heard. But possibly the cause\nand effect is the reverse of that.\n\n\n\n\n\n--\tThe Beastmaster\n\n\n-- \nMark Singer \nmss@netcom.com\n",
'From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <mssC5K4GI.G64@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:\n>\n>I don\'t have a history handy, but I don\'t recall that the preponderance\n>of ROY\'s come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is\n>generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins.\n>Am I wrong?\n\nNot really, though I wouldn\'t personally say "the most deserving\ncandidate wins". Rarely does a player win ROY when called up in mid\nseason, and there have been several duds in recent years. But this is\nmore a factor of mediot biases than anything else. (I wonder. If\nAmaral hits like he is capable of, will he receive ROTY votes? He\'s\nonly 31, he could have a long career ahead of him! :-)\n\n>And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels\' staff\n>is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank\n>you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments.\n>Easley appears fine, but even if he\'s not Flora is ready to come up.\n>Between Gonzales and Gruber they\'ll manage the hot corner. Polonia\n>and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing.\n>\n>Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a \n>winning team.\n\nI think they are a second-division team. They should finish ahead of\nthe Royals, Mariners, and *possibly* Athletics. But I don\'t think\nthey\'ll be above .500. (I think the East is stronger this year.)\n\nLast year their pitching was bad and their offense was horrible. This\nyear their offense is better, but their pitching is still pretty bad.\nEven if Finley returns to form, he won\'t replace what they lost in\nAbbott. Sanderson? Farrell? I don\'t believe it.\n\nAnd while their BA may be good, and they have decent speed, their\noffense lacks punch. They don\'t have any bona fide power hitters.\n(Salmon, Snow, Davis, and Curtis? None with more than 20 HR\npotential.)\n\nCheers,\n-Valentine\n\nP.S. Which AL team had the most steals last week? Those go-go Tigers!\nThe mediots finally managed to convince them that they needed "more\nbalance" in their lineup. You see, they were scoring too many runs\ntoo consistently. Gotta run more to break that up.\n',
'From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore \'92)\nSubject: CLINTON: VP Gore Joins Students in Orlando for 1st Kids Earth Summit\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 102\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n WHITE HOUSE\n OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT\n_________________________________________________________________\n\nFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Heidi Kukis\nTHURSDAY, April 15, 1993 202-456-7035\n Julia Payne\n 202-456-7036\n\n\n GORE JOINS STUDENTS IN ORLANDO FOR FIRST KIDS EARTH SUMMIT\n Will Take Part in Special Town Meeting On the Environment\n ******** SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 1993 - ORLANDO, FLORIDA **********\n\n WASINGTON -- Joining students from across the United States \nand around the world for the first ever Kids Earth Summit, Vice \nPresident Al Gore will travel to Orlando, Florida, on Saturday \n(4/17) and participate in a special town hall meeting, hosted by \nLinda Ellerbee for broadcast on Nickelodeon, to hear the young \npeople\'s concerns and share ideas about the environment.\n\n The Vice President will take part in the "Kids World \nCouncil: Plan It for the Planet" from 2-5 PM (EDT) Saturday \n(4/17) in Orlando, Florida. He will tour a display of student \nenvironmental projects, then videotape the town hall meeting \nwhere he will discuss with student delegates their concerns about \nthe environment and their plans for an environmentally sound \nfuture.\n\n The town hall meeting will be moderated by Linda Ellerbee \nand taped for a news special, "Nickelodeon Special Edition: Plan \nIt for the Planet," which will air on Sunday, April 18 at 8 PM \n(EDT). It is sponsored by Nickelodeon and the Children\'s Earth \nFund.\n\n "Young people care about the environment because they know \nit affects our future. Across the country and around the world, \nyoung people are speaking out about the environmental challenges \nwe face. They are identifying problems, thinking about \nsolutions, and they are demanding action from their leaders," the \nVice President said.\n\n The Kids World Council delegates are meeting for three days \nin Orlando to discuss how to save energy and switch to renewable \nenergy. They will be following the format and goals of the Earth \nSummit that took place last year in Rio de Janeiro. The Vice \nPresident led the Senate Delegation to the Earth Summit.\n\n "I look forward to hearing what young people have to say \nabout the environment and their future. Their insight into the \nworld around us is important," the Vice President said.\n\n (MORE)\n\n\x0c\n \n\n \n\n \t \n\n SCHEDULE FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT\n Saturday, April 17, 1993\n\n\n2:15 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT TOURS display of student \n environmental projects.\n Nickelodeon Studios\n Orlando, Florida\n\n\n3:30 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT TAKES PART IN TOWN HALL MEETING\n with Kids World Council delegates and\n Linda Ellerbee.\n Nickelodeon Studios\n Orlando, Florida\n\n\n5 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT DEPARTS from Kids World Council\n for Washington, D.C.\n\n\n\n\n NOTE: PRESS THAT WISH TO ATTEND SHOULD CONTACT EILEEN \nPARISE OR MARTY VON RUDEN IN FLORIDA AT 407-352-7589.\n\n \n\n\n ##\n \n\n\n \t \n \n \n\n \n\n',
'From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)\nSubject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)\nOrganization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 33\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.174857.28314@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes:\n}In article <1993Apr14.153740.18542@nimbus.com>, jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) writes:\n\n}|> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer.\n}|> \n}|> 1. Mechanical driven odometer:\n}|> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission.\n}|> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over.\n}|> Continue until the desired mileage is reached.\n}|> \n}|> 2. Electronically driven odometer:\n}|> Remove the sensor wire from the sensor.\n}|> Attach the Calibration out signal from an Oscope to the wire.\n}|> Run until the speedo turns over and attains the desired mileage.\n}\n}Dear Faster.. I kinda wonder.. have you ever tried version 2? On what?\n}Since the sensor wire on a BMW feeds also into the computer.. and we\n}don\'t know what signal voltage is expected from it.. bad things\n}*could* happen... also since we don\'t know the pulse rate, we\n}may damage the analog part of the speedo (yes.. BMW uses a combined\n}instrument.. speed in analog, trip and total milage is digital) with\n}the needle pegged up against the 160MPH stop..\n}\n}Just a thought...\n\nYou\'ve got the oscilliscope, so you connect it up to the sensor wire\nand measure this stuff. That way you know what it expects.\n\n-- \nMatthew T. Russotto\trussotto@eng.umd.edu\trussotto@wam.umd.edu\nSome news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.\nJust say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.\n(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)\n',
'From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger)\nSubject: Subaru Shop manuals for sale\nNntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu\nOrganization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York\nLines: 40\n\n\no Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00\n This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5 \n & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels \n & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater \n & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior, \n doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument \n panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body \n electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting). \n These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for \n model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that \n applies to other years as well.\n\n\nAnd, as long as I\'m posting (end of car stuff),\n\no Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00\n Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and \n timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc.\n printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays, \n constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom\n lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say)\n MUCH MORE!\n\n\no Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00\n Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting\n dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around \n 1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant \n piece of furniture, but too big (60" long, 37" tall, 24" \n deep) for our little Cape Cod house.\n\n\nWill deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester \narea. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any \nof it on UofR Campus between now and graduation.\n\nCall or E-Mail: Paul or Mary \n (716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY)\n plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu\n',
'From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)\nSubject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!)\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:\n>Yo, ASSHOLES. I hope you are all just kidding\n>because it\'s exactly that kind of attidue that gets\n>many a MOTORcyclist killed: "Look at the leather\n>clad poseurs! Watch how they swirve and\n>swear as I pretend that they don\'t exist while\n>I change lanes."\n>\n>If you really find it necesary to wreck others\n>enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then\n>it is truely you who are the poseur.\n>\n>--aaron\n\nDisgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against?\n \n================================================================================\n Steatopygias\'s \'R\' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain\'t no Hottentot.\n Sesquipedalian\'s \'R\' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain\'t no more.\n================================================================================\n',
"From: d2bohre@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Bohre)\nSubject: Digital Answering mach\nKeywords: digital\nNntp-Posting-Host: hacke9.dtek.chalmers.se\nOrganization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden\nLines: 10\n\nDoes anybody know anything about the chips D6275A/D6235A/D6205A chips from\nDSP Telecommunications Inc?\n\nI'd greatly appreciate information about price, pinouts and peripherals.\n\nRegards,\n\n Henrik Bohre\n\n @>-+--\n",
"From: ge!severy%severy@uunet.UU.NET (severy)\nSubject: Overriding window manager focus processing\nOrganization: GE Information Services, Rockville, MD\nLines: 44\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\nKeywords: Window Manager Focus Motif\n\n I am working on an X-Window based application that needs to \noverride some of the window manager focus processing. I am \nusing X11R4 and Motif 1.1 currently, although I will also be \nworking with Open Look in the future.\n\n What I need to do is under certain circumstances prevent the \nuser from switching from one window of the application to \nanother window. Let's say, for example, that Window A is on top \nof Window B in the window hierarchy. Normally, if the user clicks \nthe mouse in Window B it will be brought to the top of the \nwindow hierarchy and placed on top of Window A. Under certain \ncircumstances if the user clicks the mouse in Window B I need to \nbeep and prevent Window B from being raised on top of Window \nA.\n\n From the research and testing I've done so far, it appears that \nthis window ordering is handled by the window manager, in this \ncase Motif. I haven't found any way to override this default \nprocessing through standard X Window functions. I can tell \nwhen this switching occurs through focus change and mapping \nnotify events, but I can't find any way to tell Motif not to make the \nswitch.\n\n The temporary solution I've currently come up with is very \nkludgy but it partially works. When I detect such a window switch \nin those cases when the switch is not allowed, I manually force \nthe formerly top window back on top with an XRaiseWindow call \nand beep with the XBell function. This provides the necessary \nfunctionality but looks ugly when the windows switch places \ntwice.\n\n Does anyone know how I can tell Motif (or preferably *any* \nwindow manager) when I don't want the window order switch to \nactually take place? Respond either by e-mail or posting to this \nnewsgroup.\n\nCheers.... Randall\n\n***************************************************************************\n* Randall Severy * UUNET: uunet!ge!severy *\n* GE Information Services * INTERNET: ge!severy@uunet.uu.net *\n* 401 N. Washington St. MC05A * GENIE: RSEVERY *\n* Rockville, MD 20850 USA * PHONE: +1-301-340-4543 *\n***************************************************************************\n",
'From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: Scientific Yawn\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 94\n\n Gordon Rubenfeld responds to Ron Roth:\nGR> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote:\nGR>\nGR> RR> Well, Gordon, I look at the RESULTS, not at anyone\'s *scientific*\nGR> RR> stamp of approval.\nGR> \nGR> If you and your patients (followers?) are convinced (as you\'ve written)\nGR> by your methods of uncontrolled, undocumented, unreported, unsubstantiated,\nGR> subjective endpoint research - great. But, why should the rest of us care?\n\n Gordon, even if you are trying to beat this issue to death, you\'ll \n never get more than a stalemate out of this one!\n I have never tried to force my type of medicine on any of you. Why \n should I? My patients are happy. I\'m happy. You and your peers seem \n to be the only miserable ones around bemoaning the steady loss of \n patients to the alternative camp.\n Just look at Europe. There has been a steady exodus from \'synthetic\' \n medicine for over a decade now, and it\'ll be just a matter of time\n before more people on this continent will abandon their drug and white \n coat worship as well and visit different doctors for different needs.\n\nGR> You see Ron, the point isn\'t whether YOU and your patients are\nGR> convinced that whatever it is you do works; it\'s whether what you do is\nGR> MORE effective in similar cases (of whatever it is you think you are\nGR> treating) than cupping, bloodletting, and placebo.\n\n This is very interesting. I have come exactly to the same conclusions\n but in regards to *conventional* medicine.\n\n You see, I don\'t just treat little old ladies that wouldn\'t know any\n different of what is being done, but a bulk of my patients consist of\n teachers, lawyers, judges, nurses, accountants, university graduates,\n and various health practitioners.\n If these people have gotten results with my method after having been\n unsuccessful with yours or their own, I certainly wouldn\'t lose any \n sleep over whether you or your peers approve of my treatments --- \n let\'s face it, with all the blunders committed by "scientific" MDs \n over the years, I know a lot of people who hold your *scientific* \n method in much lower esteem than they hold mine!\n\nGR> As far as we know ayurveda = crystals = homeopathy = Ron Roth\nGR> which may all equal placebo administered with appropriate\nGR> trappings...\n \n Sorry, but I\'m not familiar OR interested with what appears to be \n \'NEW AGE\' medicine (ayurveda, crystals), with the exception of homeo-\n pathy, of which I took a course. But Gordon, you already knew that -\n you just wanted to make my system look a bit more far out, right?\n \n I use homeopathy very little, since my cellular test (EMR) is hard to\n beat for accuracy and minerals are more predictable, while homeopathy\n does have a problem with reliability, especially in acute conditions.\n An exception perhaps are homeopathic nosodes which act fairly quickly\n and are more dependable in certain viral or bacterial situations. \n\nGR> My colleagues and I spend hours debating study design\nGR> and results, even of therapies currently accepted as "standard".\nGR> As good (well, adequate) scientists, we are prepared, *if \nGR> presented with appropriate data*, to abandon our most deeply held \nGR> beliefs in favor of new ideas.\n\n I have met the challenges of hundreds of sceptics by verifying the\n accuracy of measuring their mineral status to their total satisfac-\n tion --- in other words EVERYONE INVOLVED is happy!\n If you were to cook a meal, would you worry over whether EVERYONE \n in this world would find it to their liking, or only those that end \n up eating it?\n Since I have financed every research project that I have undertaken \n entirely myself, I don\'t need to follow any of your rules or guide-\n lines to satisfy any aspects of a grant application, which YOU may \n have to; neither am I concerned of whether or not my study designs \n meet your or anyone else\'s criteria or acceptance. \n\nGR> Sorry Ron, if conviction were the ruler of truth, a flat Earth would\nGR> still be the center of the Universe and epilepsy a curse of the gods.\n \n I think there would be more justification for an uneducated person\n growing up in an uncivilized environment to believe in a flat earth,\n than for a civilized, well educated and scientifically trained mind\n to follow the doctrine of evolution.\n Genetic engineering of course is now the final frontier to show God\n how it is (properly) done. Now we\'ve become capable of creating our\n own paradise and give disease (and God) the boot, right?\n\n But just before we get rid of Him for good, perhaps He could leave us\n some pointers on how to solve a couple of tiny problems, such as war, \n poverty, racism, crime, riots, substance abuse... And one last thing, \n could He also give us a hint on how to control natural disasters, the\n weather, and last, but not least --- peace?\n\n --Ron--\n---\n RoseReader 2.00 P003228: The Lab called: Your brain is ready.\n RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n',
"From: hmarvel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Howard P Marvel)\nSubject: Re: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310?\nArticle-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr5.231721.1272\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n\nMy wife has one of these. I have not had much chance to fiddle with\nit, but in comparison to our Laserwriters with Canon engines, she\ncomplains that the print is too light for her taste. The difference\nis quite apparent even when the print setting on the Select 310 is\nadjusted to the darkest possible level. I don't find it\nobjectionable, and indeed rather like it, but be warned that some\npeople don't care for it and it is considerably different. \n\nI recall that years ago there were lots of debates over write-black\nvs. write-white engines when dealing with TeX drivers. Is something\nlike that going on here?\n",
'From: ivancich@eecs.umich.edu (Eric Ivancich)\nSubject: Re: 14" monitors\nIn-Reply-To: fredm@media.mit.edu\'s message of Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:39:45 GMT\nOrganization: University of Michigan EECS Department\nDistribution: na\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <1993Mar31.203945.8757@news.media.mit.edu> fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin) writes:\n\n [part of posting removed]\n\n * the Sony CPD-1304 has better video circuitry than either of the\n other two monitors. It can display Apple 640x480, VGA 640x480, VGA\n 800x600 (though this has 56 Hz flicker), and Apple 832x624 (75 Hz\n refresh: no flicker at all). It might be able to display Apple\'s\n 1024x768, but I\'m not sure about this, and the pixels would be real\n small anyway so it might not be that useful.\n\n Note that with either Sony monitor, you will need the proper adapter,\n which both connects the video signals properly, but also informs the\n Macintosh video hardware of which display mode to use.\n\n [part of posting removed]\n\n -- \n Fred Martin | fredm@media.mit.edu | (617) 253-7143 | 20 Ames St. Rm. E15-301\n Epistemology and Learning Group, MIT Media Lab | Cambridge, MA 02139 USA\n\nI\'m assuming that the cabling tells the Mac, at startup, what kind of\nmonitor is connected. Now I think I\'ve seen ads in popular Mac\nmagazines for products (I\'m not sure if it\'s just a monitor, just a\nvideo card, or a package of both) that allow you to change resolutions\non the fly (w/o restarting the Mac).\n\nIf you were to buy a 1304, would it be possible to switch back and\nforth between Apple 640x480 and Apple 832x624 without restarting the\nMac? Is this strictly a hardware startup function, or can software\nintervene, or does the Mac hardware occasionally probe the cable\nsetting and switch automatically?\n\nThanks,\n\nEric\n(ivancich@eecs.umich.edu)\n',
'From: frp@table.NSD.3Com.COM (Frank R. Pereira)\nSubject: Moving Sale\nDistribution: ba\nOrganization: 3Com Corporation\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: table.nsd.3com.com\n\nMoving Sale: Must sell before May 5:\nFuton: high-end, oak, queen, like new -- $250\nComputer Desk: roll-top, locks securely, like new -- $100\nColor TV: 13", perfect cond., great for bedroom -- $50\t( ***SOLD)\nCoffee Tables/Dresser: $40 or B.O.\nLamps: $10\nMake an offer!!\n\nAsk for Esther: 415/571-6062 eve\n\t\t408/736-0490 day\n',
"From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking)\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nOrganization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607\nLines: 30\n\nalee@bmerh794.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes:\n\n> \n> In article <34263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> you write:\n> >VA, CT, Wash DC and I think BC Canada where I've heard they actually\n> >use Radar detector detectors.\n> \n> Nope, not in British Columbia. Detectors are legal here in BC, I've even\n> got one.\n> \n> In Alberta and Ontario they're illegal, and detection devices are sometimes\n> used. I've heard the police in Ontario prefer a much more direct method of\n> detection. Just trigger the radar gun, watch for people slamming on the\n> brakes, and search the car.\n> \n> \n> David Lee\n> leex@sfu.ca\n> \n\n\nThey are illegal here in Manitoba as well though I don't know what \nmethods are used to detect them.\n\nIt has always amazed me with the way the laws work. It is not illegal to \nsell them here in Manitoba, only to have them within a vehicle. (Last I \nheard, they don't have to be installed to be illegal.)\n\nvictor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca\nThe Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607\n",
"From: calzone@athena.mit.edu\nSubject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics)\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-56.mit.edu\n\n\n\n>Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and\n>re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless\n>cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY.\n>\n>What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded\n>goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's\n>favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell-\n>check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling\n>VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?\n\n\nYou are absolutely daft. No flame required. You lack a brain.\n\n> ...[sic]...\n>Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes\n>which are the units of genetics.\n\n\nWell... at least you're educated, it seems. But give credit\nwhere credit is due: to Richard Dawkin(s?) \n(the meme is a meme he invented)\n\n-zone\n",
"From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein)\nSubject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships\nReply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein)\nOrganization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6\n\nIn article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca>, white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes:\n> \n> \tToday at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an \n> impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden. \n \nIn the game *I* have seen yesterday in the Olympiahalle of Munich\nCanada won 4-1 against Sweden! The last goal for Canada was at 19:59 in\nthe 3rd period. Maybe you shouldn't go and get you another beer \nbefore the game is over and then post imaginary results...\n\nHolger\n\n-- \nS I E M E N S Holger Ohlwein AP153 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 8000 Muenchen 83\n------------- Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746 Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de\nN I X D O R F Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together.\n",
'From: dale@odie.cs.mun.ca (Dale Fraser)\nSubject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community\nOrganization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland\nLines: 28\n\nicop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes:\n\n\n>\tThe presence of the new team in Miami(I can\'t say South Florida;\n>it\'s too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell\n>the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This community\n>has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. The\n>teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to try\n>to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language\n>tv and radio coverage?\nI think, as do the owners, that hockey will do well in Miami since there\nis a lot of people from the Northeast that spend their winters in\nFlorida every year. As for the coverage, someone will have to come up\nwith some money for that since broadcast rights can be expensive!\n\nJust my $0.02!\n\nDale\n\n|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|\n| "Why sex is so popular | Dale Fraser dale@odie.cs.mun.ca |\n| Is easy to see: | Memorial University of Newfoundland |\n| It contains no sodium | CS Undergrad - Class of \'92 |\n| And it\'s cholesterol free!" |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| \n| Shelby Friedman | BLUE JAYS 1992 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!! |\n|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|\n| *OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE DO NOT BELONG TO ME OR THIS INSTITUTION!* |\n|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|\n',
"From: lieuwen@allegra.att.com (Dan Lieuwen)\nSubject: Re: The obvious isn't politically correct.\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ\nLines: 5\n\nThe last state church was in Massachusetts. Sam Adams, the patriot-brewmaster,\nduring his tenure as governor after the Revolutionary War got it passed.\nI believe it was eliminated around 1820.\n\ndan\n",
'From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOriginator: young@sasquatch\nNntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch\nReply-To: young@serum.kodak.com\nOrganization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company\nLines: 86\n\n>>In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:\n>>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of\n>>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving\n>>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the\n>>most likely explanation for events.\n\n The following is from a critique of a "60 Minutes" presentation on MSG\n which was aired on November 3rd, 1991. The critique comes from THE TUFTS\n DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER, February 1992. [...edited for brevity...]\n\n\t"Chances are good that if you watched \'60 Minutes\' last November\n\t3rd [1991], you came away feeling MSG is bad for you. [...] In\n\tthe segment entitled \'No MSG,\' for instance, show host Ed Bradley\n\tmakes alarming statements without adequately substantiating them\n\t(\'millions are suffering a host of symptoms, and some get violently\n\tsick\'); peppers his report with sensational but clinically unproven\n\tpersonal testimony...; and speaks of studies on MSG that make the\n\tsubstance seem harmful without explaining just how inconclusive \n\tthose studies are.\n\n\tConsider his making reference at the beginning of the program to\n\ta study conducted at the Eastern Virginia Medical School in order\n\tto back up his comment that there is \'a lot of evidence\' that MSG,\n\ta flavor enhancer in Chinese and other Asian cuisines as well as\n\tin many supermarket items, causes headaches. What he does NOT\n\tmake reference to is the fact that the study was performed not on\n\thumans but on rabbits.\n\n\tOne of the researchers who conducted the study, pharmacologist\n\tPatricia Williams, Ph.D., says it certainly is conceivable that\n\ta small minority of people are sensitive enough to MSG to get \n\theadaches from it. \'But,\' she explains, \'the show probably \n\toveremphasized the extent of the problem.\'\n\n\tA second lapse comes with mention of Dr. John Olney, a professor\n\tat the Washington University School of Medicine who, Mr. Bradley\n\tremarks, \'says that his 20 years of research with laboratory\n\tanimals shows MSG is a hazard for developing youngsters\' because\n\tit poses a threat of irreversible brain damage. Dr. Olney\'s\n\tresearch with lab animals does not \'show\' anything about human\n\tyoungsters.\n\n\tIn fact, only under extreme circumsrtances did Dr. Olney\'s \n\texperiments ever bring about any brain damage: when he injected\n\textremely high doses of MSG into rodents, completely bypassing \n\ttheir digestive tracts and entering their bloodstreams more directly,\n\tand when he used tubes to force-feed huge amounts of the substance\n\tto very young animals on an empty stomach. Of course, neither\n\tof those procedures occurs with humans; they simply take in MSG \n\twith food. And most of what they take in is broken down by\n\tenzymes in the wall of the small intestine, so that very little\n\treaches the bloodstream -- much to little, in fact, for human\n\tblood levels of MSG to come anywhere near the high concentrations\n\tfound in Dr. Olney\'s lab animals.....\n\n\tThe World Health Organization appears to be very much aware of\n\tthat fact. And so does the European Communities\' Scientific\n\tCommittee for Food....Both, after examining numerous studies,\n\thave concluded that MSG is safe.\n\n\tTheir determination makes sense, considering that MSG has never\n\tbeen proven to cause all the symptoms that have been attributed\n\tto it -- headaches, swelling, a tightness in the chest, and a\n\tburning sensation, among others. In fact, the most fail-safe\n\tof clinical studies, the double-blind study..., has consistently\n\texonerated the much-maligned substance.\n\n\tThat\'s quite fortunate since the alleged hazardous component of\n\tmonosodium glutamate, glutamate, enters our systems whenever\n\twe eat any food that contains protein. The reason is that one\n\tof the amino acids that make up protein, glutamic acid, is broken\n\tdown into glutamate during digestion.\n\n\tIt\'s a breakdown that occurs frequently. Glutamic acid is the\n\tmost abundant of the 20 or so amino acids in the diet. It makes\n\tup about 15 percent of the protein in flesh foods, 20 percent in\n\tmilk, 25 percent in corn, and 29 percent in whole wheat.\n\n\tThat doesn\'t mean it\'s entirely unimaginable that a small number\n\tof people have trouble metabolizing MSG properly and are therefore\n\tsensitive to it...The consensus reached by large, international\n\tprofessional organizations [is that MSG is safe], the same consensus\n\treached by the FDA and the biomedical community at large."\n\n\n-Rich Young (These are not Kodak\'s opinions.)\n',
'From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)\nSubject: Re: Israel\'s Expansion\nLines: 147\nReply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de\nOrganization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.212610.5933@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n\n|>In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n|>\n|>>1) Is Israel\'s occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary?\n|>\n|>\tIsrael has repeatedly stated that it will leave Lebanon when\n|>the Lebanese government can provide guarantees that Israel will not be\n|>attacked from Lebanese soil, and when the Syrians leave.\n\nNot acceptable. Syria and Lebanon have a right to determine if\nthey wish to return to the situation prior to the French invasion\nwhere they were both part of the same "mandate territory" - read\ncolony.\n\nIsrael has no right to determine what happens in Lebanon. Invading another\ncountry because you consider them a threat is precisely the way that almost\nall wars of aggression have started.\n\n\n|>>2) Is Israel\'s occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan\n|>>temporary?\n|>\n|>\tThe three are very different issues. Israel has stated\n|>repeatedly that it will not give up the whole Golan, but may be\n|>willing to give part of it to Syria as part of a peace agreement.\n\nAgain territorial expansion by force.\n\n\n|>\tIsrael has already annexed areas taken over in the 1967 war.\n|>These areas are not occupied, but disputed, since there is no\n|>legitamate governing body. Citizenship was given to those residents\n|>in annexed areas who wanted citizenship.\n\nThe UN defines them as occupied. They are recognised as such by every\nnation on earth (excluding one small caribean island).\n\n\n|>\tIsrael should keep control of parts of the West Bank, IMHO.\n|>The parts that should be kept are the westernmost mountain ridge,\n|>which contain few arab towns, and many suburbs, as well as overlooking\n|>the city of Tel Aviv. The Eastern mountain ridge should be\n|>abandonded. This is where most of the arabs live and it is less\n|>militarily relevant. Israel should also maintain a presence in the\n|>Jordan valley.\n\nSo the Adam thinks that peace is possible with continued occupation and \na continued military presence? That is a completely unsustainable situation\nbecause the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the\nIsraeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation.\n\n\n|>>If so (for those of you who support it), why were so\n|>>many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary,\n|>>let\'s hear it.\n|>\n|>\tThere are a number of reasons for people to move (they were\n|>not moved, but chose to move) into disputed areas. Note that since\n|>these moves were made by free willed human beings, not "settlers," I\n|>will address two aspects of your question, why the government would\n|>allow &/or encourage them to move, and second why they did move.\n\nThey were moved in as part of a deliberate policy to prevent the return\nof the occupied territories. Machiavelli described the reasoning in the\nPrince. The clear intention was to create a constituency which the Likud\nbeleived could not be deprived of the land stolen from the indigenous\npopulation.\n\nThe pretexts under which the settlers aquired land was through the \nredefinition of much land used in common as "public land". The assertion\nthat the village common on which the village depends for food belongs to\nan invader simply because no individual has title is clearly an\nexcuse. When the land is used to build a condominium for aliens brought\nin to occupy the land for a foreign power there is a clear breach of the\nGeneva convention which stipulates that land use in occupied territories\nmust not be changed. \n\nNo amount of self justifying on the part of Likud and hard linner appologists\nwill change the fact that the majority of world governments, and all of\nthose that actually have any power have condemned this practice.\n\n\n|>\tThe government had a number of reasons for encouraging people\n|>to move across the green line. They included security and politics.\n|>\n|>\tThe first reason was security. A large Jewish presense makes\n|>it difficult for terrorists to infiltrate. A Jewish settlements also\n|>act as fortresses in times of war.\n\nTheyu also are a liability. We are talking about civilian encampments that\nwould last no more than hours against tanks,\n\n|>\tA second reason was political. Creating "settlements" brought\n|>the arabs to the negotiation table. Had the creation of new towns and\n|>cities gone on another several years, there would be no place left in\n|>Israel where there was an arab majority. There would have been no\n|>land left that could be called arab.\n\nDon\'t fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the\nnegotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf\nthey insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else.\n\nIf the creation of settlements had gone on any longer the USA would have\ncut the money supply.\n\n|>\tThe fact that there are a hundered thousands Jews in place\n|>changes the face of any peace settlement, and restricts what land can\n|>be given away.\n\nNot at all. They can chose to live in an arab state or return to Israel.\n\n|>\tSome of the communites created were religious. They built\n|>their neighborhoods in areas where there were jews until the riots of\n|>the 30\'s and 40\'s. There are communities like this in Hebron, Gaza,\n|>and all over. There are also communities built near religious sites.\n\nThe existence of a comunity does not give the right for another country\nto annexe territory, not in Bosnia, not in the West Bank.\n\n|>\tThe point is, there are many reasons people moved over the\n|>green line, and many reasons the government wanted them to. Whatever\n|>status is negotiated for disputed territories, it will not be an "all\n|>or nothing" deal. New boundaries will be drawn up by negotiation, not\n|>be the results of a war.\n\nUnless the new boundaries drawn up are those of 48 there will be no peace.\nAraffat has precious little authority to agree to anything else.\n\n\nThe real issue is not the land treaty but the trade treaty. Since the\nPalestinians will remain heavily dependent on Israel indefinitely it\nis this that will be the guarantor of peace. another factor will be the\nreturn of lands confiscated by the Israeli state within Israel and the\ndismantling of the shadow structures which allow discrimination against\nnon-Jews within what is nominaly a secular state. \n\nThe irony is that in return for a guarantee that the palestinian state has\na non descrimination law in order to protect the remaining settlers the\nIsraeli state is going to be forced inot the same position. This will mean\noutlawing of discrimination such as that which prevents arabs from buying\nor using much of the land. \n\n\n\nPhill Hallam-Baker \n',
'From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)\nSubject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group\nLines: 16\n\n/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 /\n\n>Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread \n>"Terminator", aka "The Rifleman", owned no firearms for several years \n>while posting in this group, as an example. There are others.\n\nGood point, Kirk.\n\nHe\'s still around too. He\'s responded by email to a couple of my posts, \nand gosh darn, he\'s gotten down right civil! This happed about the time \nhe got his first firearm. Wonder if there is a relationship here? Turns\nout that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start\nwith) act responsibility once given the chance.\n\nRick.\n\n',
'From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)\nSubject: Re: "Fake" virtual reality\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu\n\nMike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo) writes:\n\n>The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I\'ve seen so far is the\n>"Virtual Reality Clothing Company" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As\n>far as I can tell it\'s just another "chic" clothes spot. Although it would be\n>interesting if they were selling "virtual clothing"....\n\n>E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get\n>some promotional lit.\n\nI understand there have been a couple of raves in LA billing themselves as\n"Virtual Reality" parties. What I hear they do is project .GIF images around\non the walls, as well as run animations through a Newtek Toaster.\n\nSeems like we need to adopt the term Really Virtual Reality or something, except\nfor the non-immersive stuff which is Virtually Really Virtual Reality.\n\n\netc.\n\n\n\n>MP\n>(8^)-\n\n___Samuel___\n-- \n_________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______\nGuildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a\n summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning,\n where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.\n',
"From: LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu\nSubject: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode?\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n\nWhile I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip\nor chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons --\nmainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information\non magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right'\nway to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let\nme know?)\n\nI might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post,\nbut I'll get to them within a couple days, I think ..\n\nthanx everyone! <BGB> lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n\n",
'From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)\nSubject: Re: Hell\nOrganization: Netcom\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.33.44.1993.14422@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>\n>In a short poem ("God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell"),\n>C. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I\'m sure was current among others,\n>but I haven\'t be able to find its source:\n>\n>that even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount\n>of separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can\n>achieve.\n>\n\nI have also heard it called an expression of mercy, because Heaven would be\nfar more agonizing for those who had rejected God.\n\n-- \nJoe Kellett\njkellett@netcom.com\n',
"From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>\nSubject: Husky Programmer bits req'd\nX-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 04:10:01 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-90.gw.umn.edu\nOrganization: persian cat & carpet co.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7\nLines: 5\n\nHelp !! - I'm looking for a ISA driver card and driver software for a\nLogical Devices Husky programmer (It aint mush good without these)\ncan anyone help with either of these items ?\ncheers\nMike.\n",
'From: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke)\nSubject: 4-Band Equalizer\nReply-To: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke)\nOrganization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD\nLines: 15\n\n\n I was wondering if anyone out there in net-land knew of a SIMPLE\nway to make a 4-band equalizer (single channel). I need it to accept\nLINE inputs (tape deck, CD player, etc.) and output to the same! So\ninput impedance should equal output impedance. Also, since I am driving\na line, I would need 1 volt p-p output. Final requirement is that I\ncan either:\n\t 1. Control it digitally\n\t\t\tOR\n\t 2. Control it easily, or with few resistors\n\nFINALLY - If anyone knows of any FILTER or EQUALIZER chips, that might\nbe useful, please let me know. (I have seen a couple of them from NATIONAL,\nand MAXIM). Thanks in advance,\n\t\t\t\t Martin\n',
'Subject: E-mail of Michael Abrash?\nFrom: gmontem@eis.calstate.edu (George A. Montemayor)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 0\n\n',
'From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard)\nSubject: Re: ** Need Advice ** (about Tech Works etc.)\nArticle-I.D.: oracle.1993Apr6.185706.15033\nOrganization: Oracle Corp\nLines: 34\nNntp-Posting-Host: hqsun7.us.oracle.com\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\n\nGregory Welch writes:\n>\n> ... I followed the instructions for\n>returning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks.\n>\n>Well, months went by, and no credit. After many calls (almost none of which were\n>ever returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me "Why we never\n>received your old chips." I then explained I the procedure that I had\n>followed to return them, to which the person replied "You mean you sent them\n>US Mail?" (which I had, per the original sales person\'s instructions.) I was\n>told that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that\n>I should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc. ...\n\n\nI also returned PB memory last summer for credit, and the sales person warned\nme not to use US mail. I did (although I did insure the shipment), and \napparently Techworks got it.\n\nMy minor grip with techworks is that they have different price lists for\ndifferent people. I ordered DUO memory, thinking I got their "best" price\nbecause of my employeer. I subsequently found out that Apple was offering\ndevelopers memory for less than techworks charged, called up to complain,\nand was told I should have said I was an apple developer and they credited\nmy card for about 16% of the purchase price. I like techworks quality\nand installation instructions (and they include powerbook tools), but \nfor out-of-CA purchases (no sales tax) chip merchant seems to be a bit less.\n\n \n-- \nForrest Howard\nOracle Corporation\n500 Oracle Parkway\nBox 65414\nRedwood Shores, CA 94065\n',
'From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells)\nSubject: Boom! Whoosh......\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nLines: 22\n\n\nAnd one of my profs is the chief engineer for the project (Dr. Ron\nHumble, Univ. Colorado at Colorado Springs).\n\nI love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a\nreally neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a\nWestford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. \n\n<BOOM!> Whooooooooshhhhhh...... <sputter, sputter>\n\n<okay, PRETEND it would make a sound!>\n\nI hear <insert favorite rumor here> that it will supposedly coincide\nwith the Atlanta Olympics. \n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tFuzzy.\n===============================================================================\n_ __/| | Lt. David "Fuzzy" Wells | "I want peace on earth,\n\\\'o.O\' | HQ AFSPACECOM/CNA | goodwill toward men." \n=(___)= | "We do debris" |"We\'re the government. We don\'t do that \n U ...ack!| wdwells@esprit.uccs.edu | that sort of thing." -SNEAKERS \n===============================================================================\n',
"From: clark@thinker.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark)\nSubject: Changing OLWM icons\nOrganization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering\nLines: 8\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: clark@thinker.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 131.247.2.37\n\nI was wondering if it's possible to change the window icons OLWM\nuses for things like xterm. Most of the defaults are pretty lame.\n\nAny answer (or where I can find one) would be most appreciated.\n\nThanks\n\nMatt Clark\n",
'From: brody@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Adam R. Brody )\nSubject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City\nOrganization: NASA Ames Research Center\nDistribution: na\nLines: 14\n\nprb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n\n>AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce\n>May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA.\n\n>Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend????\n\n>Anyone want to go?\n\n>pat\n\nI got something in the mail from AIAA about it. Cost is $75.\nSpeakers include John Pike, Hohn Young, and Ian Pryke.\n',
'Subject: After-Market Cruise Controls: Specific Questions\nFrom: MikeW@Canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)\nOrganization: BYU\nNntp-Posting-Host: 128.187.203.40\nLines: 82\n\nHowdy,\n\nI\'m a little new to this newsgroup, but I would like to tap some of the\nknowledge and expertise available here.\n\nThe Subject: After-market cruise controls\n\nThe Background:\nI recently broke my ankle in a road-bicycling accident (4 places, five \nscrews, yuk! :-( ). In two weeks I will be returning to Texas (my\nhome) from my school (BYU) in Provo, Utah. As you can imagine, trying to\ndrive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isn\'t just the epitome of\na good time. My car does not have a cruise control, so I would have to do\nall the pedalling (ha ha) with my messed-up ankle.\n\nMy question:\nWhat is the general opinion of after-market cruise control units? I\nrealize that a cheap CC (cruise control) from, say, Pep Boys, isn\'t going to\nbe as good as a factory or professionally installed unit (if there is such a\nthing). And I uderstand that I probably can\'t expect much in the way of\naccuracy, looks and that sort of thing; But anything\'s gotta be better than\ntrying to drive with a hosed ankle.\n\nI have a 1984 Jeep Cherokee, 4 speed, standard, 4*4, 2.5L engine with\nkettering(sp?) ignition (y\'know, distributor cap, rotor, that set-up--not\nelectronic. Maybe you could\'ve guessed it being an \'84, but I\'m just trying\nto give information as completly as I can).\n\nI found a CC unit for 80 bucks. It seems to use the vehicles vacuum system \ninstead of an electric servor/motor. Is this good or bad? If I did buy\nthis CC, which vacuum hose should I tap?\n\nIt has two speed sensors: One magnetic, and one that gets a signal from the \nnegative side of the distributor, kinda like a tach pick-up, or so I\nunderstand. I can use either one. Which is best? The manual says (I read\nit in the store today) that the magnetic/axle set-up is more accurate, but\nharder to install. Is there really a big difference?\n\nIt has a sensor for the brake pedal, just like other CCs, but does NOT have a\nsensor for the clutch pedal. So if I wasn\'t paying real close attention I\nmight push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up. Which\nwould wind the engine up kinda high until I got my wits about me and turned \nthe thing off. I\'m pretty coordinated, so this doesn\'t bother me, if it\nwere for my girlfriends car, *then* it would bother me, but I\'m ok with it.\n\nThe installation also calls for an attachment to a steady-on brake signal\nand a switched-on brake signal. I think I can get a switched brake signal\nfrom the correct side of the brake light blade fuse. Am I right? But I\'m\nnot sure where to get the steady-on brake signal, or, for that matter, what\nexactly it is? Any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get\nit?\n\nI think I can figure the other things out. Like how to hook-up the negative\nside tach-type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit, and the ground and\nall that miscellaneous business. But I need a little help with:\n\n\t1. Is it worth the money and safety risk (if any) for such a\n\t device?\n\t2. Is there any particularly good after-market CC?\n\t3. Are "professionally" installed CCs signifacantly better and\n\t worth the cabbage?\n\t4. If the unit I saw (sorry, no manufacturer or model number, just\n\t that it is at Pep Boy and its $80) is sufficient for my simple \n\t needs, how do I get the thing installed properly (specifically,\n\t the questions above)?\n\nMy father and I built a "Veep" (Volkswagen powered Jeep CJ-2A) when I was in\nhigh school, so I consider myself fairly good with tools, electronics, and\ncars. So the installation doesn\'t scare me. I just want to be certain that\nI get the thing installed correctly as my Cherokee is just a wee bit more\ncomplicated than my Veep. :-)\n\nI appreciate your time in reading my post, and I would appreciate any\nexpertise or opinion anybody has on the subject. If you would like to share\nsome of your wisdom, please email as I don\'t get over this group very often\n(but I check my mail all the time).\n\nAgain, thanks for any help anyone may have.\n\nMike Wieda\nMikew@canc.byu.edu\n\n',
'From: ba1634807@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg\nSubject: pwm control thru software\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: v9001.ntu.ac.sg\nOrganization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore\n\n\ncurrently I am using the 8051 microcontroller with external eprom..\n\nIn order to drive the dc motor (with direction) I use the Pulse width modultion \n\nthru software control(Assembly language programming). However I am afraid that\n\nthey will be overheads and thus alter the pulse timing. My question is \n\nis the software pwm control reliable?. I understand that port 0 is a latch\n\nand so I vary the duty cycle by setting it high first and at the desire \n\nduty cycle then I set low..? Any improments ?\n \n\n \n',
'From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)\nSubject: New Duo Dock With Processor: Here\'s Why\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 22\nReply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nWell folks, after some thought the answer struck me flat in the face:\n\n"Why would Apple release a Duo Dock with a processor of its own?"\n\nHere\'s why- People have hounded Apple for a notebook with a 68040 processor\nin it. Apple can\'t deliver that right now because the 040 saps too much\npower, radiates far too much heat, and is too large for a notebook. How\ndoes one get around that without designing a new chipset? Use existing\nPowerBook technology to your best advantage. The Duo Dock gives Apple a\nunique ability to give users that 040 power in a "Semi-Portable" fashion.\nBy plunking the 040 into the Dock, you\'ve got "quadra" power at your desk.\nOn the road, that 33mhz 68030 should be able to handle most of your needs.\nOkay, not the BEST solution, but its an answer to a no-win situation. :-)\nSo, does this mean one will be able to use the PowerBook\'s processor in\nparallel to the dock\'s processor? Okay, we\'re getting REALLY hypothetical\nnow... \n-- \nTravis Grundke\t\t | MacGames Digest- Your #1 Source for Information,\nContributing Editor,\t | News & Reviews of Gaming Software and the Gaming \nMacGames Digest\t \t | Industry in the Macintosh Community. Reply \nan780@cleveland.freenet.Edu | For More Information on MacGames Digest.\n',
'From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)\nSubject: iterations of the bible\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nLines: 53\n\nHi... I\'m not a religious guy so dont take this as some kinda flame (thanx\nin advance)\n\nI want to know why there are so many different versions of the bible? There\nis this version of the bible I have read about and on the front page it says:\n"....contains inaccurate data and inconsistencies." \n\n\t\t\t\t\tThanx in advance... Shaz....\n\n[I\'m not sure quite what you mean by many different versions.\nThe primary distinction in versions you see today is in the style\nof the translation. It\'s pretty unusual to see significant\ndifferences in meaning. There are a few differences in the underlying\ntext. That\'s because before printing, manuscripts were copied by\nhand. Slight differences resulted. There are enough manuscripts\naround that scholars can do a pretty good job of recreating the\noriginal, but there are some uncertainties. Fortunately, they are\ngenerally at the level of minor differences in wording. There are\nsomething like 3 or 4 places where whole sentences are involved,\nbut with recent discoveries of older manuscripts, I don\'t think there\'s\nmuch uncertainly about those cases. As far as I know, no Christians\nbelieve that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of\ntranslating is free of error. But I also don\'t think there\'s\nenough uncertainty in establishing the text or translating it that\nit has much practical effect.\n\nWhether the Bible contains inaccurate data and inconsistences is a hot\ntopic of debate here. Many Christians deny it. Some accept it\n(though most would say that the inaccuracies involved are on details\nthat don\'t affect the faith). But this has nothing to do with there\nbeing multiple versions. The supposed inconsistences can be found in\nall the versions. I\'m surprised to find a reference to this on the\ntitle page though. What version are you talking about? I\'ve been\nreferring to major scholarly translations. These are what get\nreferenced in postings here and elsewhere. There have certainly been\neditions that are (to be kind) less widely accepted. This includes\neverything from reconstructions that combine parallel accounts into\nsingle narrations, to editions that omit material that the editor\nobjects to for some reason or the other. The copyright on the Bible\nhas long since expired, so there nothing to stop people from making\neditions that do whatever wierd thing they want. However the editions\nthat are widely used are carefully prepared by groups of scholars from\na variety of backgrounds, with lots of crosschecks. I could imagine\none of the lesser-known editions claiming to have fixed up all\ninaccurate data and inconsistencies. But if so, it\'s not any edition\nthat\'s widely used. The widely used ones leave the text as is.\n(Weeeeelllllll, almost as is. It\'s been alleged that a few\ntranslations have fudged a word or two here and there to minimize\ninconsistencies. Because translation is not an exact science, there\nare always going to be differences in opinion over which word is best,\nI\'m afraid.)\n\n--clh]\n',
'From: jbarrett@aludra.usc.edu (Jonathan Barrett)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nArticle-I.D.: aludra.1pr2c9INNg56\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu\n\nrauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:\n\n> Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that\n>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and\n>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR\n>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren\'t even\n>better hockey players. It\'s all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening,\n>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue\n>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.\n\nAccording to what reasonable principle of justice does standing in intimate\ngeographical and psychological relations to a league give one some privileged\nright to play in it?\n\nA European\n',
'From: formula@athena.mit.edu (Ronald R. Duff Jr.)\nSubject: New 3M (and used) 8" floppy disks for sale\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 39\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vongole.mit.edu\n\n\tI have some brand-new shrinkwrapped boxes of 8" floppy disks that I\nwould like to sell. They are all 3M disks:\n\n40 (4 boxes of 10) SS/SD 8" floppy disks\n60 (6 boxes of 10) DS/DD, W/WP 8" floppy disks\n\nMisco is selling the SS/SD 3M disks for 25.90 for a box of ten and they are\nselling the DS/DD 3M disks for 31.90 for a box of ten. I will take the\nbest offer I can get for the disks (as many boxes as you want).\n\n\tI also have a quantity of 8" floppy disks that \nsome people were getting rid of, probably due to an upgrade to a newer drive\nsystem. All the disks are used and most have labels on them, but they all \nappear to be in good physical shape. However, I make no guarantees of the\nquality of these disks. Here are the statistics:\n\nQuantity\tMake\tType\n\n10\t\t3M\tSingle side/Double density,soft sector,128 bytes/record\n66\t\tMemorex Single side/Double density,soft sector,128 bytes/record\n\nI will accept the best offer I receive for the disks and I\'m willing to sell\nthem off in different amounts, the minimum being a box of ten (if I get no\noffers on these disks I would considering throwing them in with the new\ndisks I\'m selling above). \n\nI also have a head-cleaning kit for 8" disk drives for which I will take\nthe best offer I can get.\n\nAll sales are final.\n\nI would prefer to ship COD and add the shipping costs onto the total order \ncost.\n\nPlease send E-mail to formula@athena.mit.edu if interested.\n--\nAddress: Ronald R. Duff Jr. Phone: (508)842-2293 (Home)\n 29 Lamplighter Drive (617)253-1652 (Work)(MIT room 6-332)\n Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Internet: formula@athena.mit.edu\n',
"From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nIn-Reply-To: henrik@quayle.kpc.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:45:17 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: vein.cs.rochester.edu\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester\n\t<1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>\n\t<1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com>\n\t<1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>\n\t<1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com>\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n[stuff deleted]\n\n> Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the\n> KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. \n\nGimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It\nseems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities\nwhile hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment,\nwill you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it\nis a part of it. \n\n>The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived\n>in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS \n>BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending \n>themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. \n\nHuh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them\nwithin their borders? \n\n[...]\n> At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH \n> crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again.\n\nYou're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade?\nAre you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header\nin hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? Yes indeed Turkey\nhas the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes she had, however, is \nthe diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring the parties to the\nnegotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians are attacking Azeri \ntowns. Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the \nfutility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that \nleads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's \ngoing to cause incessant skirmishes. Think of 10 or 20 years down the \nline -- both of the newly independent countries need to develop economically\nand neither one is going to wipe the other out. These people will be\nneighbors, would it not be better to keep the bad blood between them minimal?\n\nIf you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes\nyour fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of their\nblood and future. It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize \ncraziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians\nin Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate \nas their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in\nthe region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for\ncompromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading\ninflammatory half-truths.\n\ncheers,\n\nBM\n",
'From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Quadras VRAM Question\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nLines: 39\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don\'t care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\n\nDaniel Salber <salber@imag.fr> writes:\n\n>I have a question regarding Quadras VRAM. I have tried to find info on this\n>but I could not get precise answers.\n\n>On one hand, we have a Quadra 950 with a 16" monitor, which is capable of\n>32-bit color. How much VRAM does it have?\n\n To display Millions of colors on a 16" monitor you need 2MB of VRAM\nin the Q950.\n\n>On the other hand, we have a Quadra 800 with a 16" monitor, which is capable\n>of 8-bit color only, so it must have 512 Ko of VRAM.\n\n Correct. This is the amount of on-board VRAM that the Q800 comes\nwith.\n\n>I would like to take VRAM SIMMs for the 950 and put them in the 800 so that\n>both machines have 16-bit color capability.\n>Is it possible, and if yes, how many VRAM SIMMs should I take from the 950?\n\n Yes this is possible. Technically, you only need to take out 2 of\nthe VRAM SIMMs but leaving in the other two will not get you anything\nbecause the 950 cannot really do anything with 1.5MB of VRAM. It only\nknows 1MB and 2MB.\n\n>From the documentation I have, the Quadra 800 must get 1 Mo VRAM to have\n>16-bit color, is that correct?\n\n Yes, this is correct. You get to 1MB by putting 2 256k VRAM SIMMs\ninto the VRAM SIMM slots on the Q800\'s motherboard.\n\n>Bonus question: where do VRAM SIMMs hide? From the 950 documentation, they\n>seem to be *behind* the power supply. Do I really have to take off the power\n>supply to access the VRAM SIMMs?\n\n Yup. You have to take off the power supply. It\'s only a couple of\nscrews so you should be ok. Just make sure that everything is\ndisconnected from it and watch out for static discharges.\n',
'From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)\nSubject: Re: Kevin Rogers\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\nRogers is the "one-batter lefty" in the bullpen. Dusty has also said he\ntrusts Rogers to get the final out in a ballgame where Beck is\nunavailable, so you might see a couple of saves for Kevin. Then again, if\nany of the regular rotation falters, Rogers is a possible candidate to\nstart, though this would appear less likely now that Dave Burba did well\nin an emergency start.\n\nSteven\n',
'From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)\nSubject: Reds snap 5-game losing streak: RedReport 4-18\nKeywords: Finally\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 136\n\nKevin Mitchell\'s sacrifice fly in the eighth off Brett Saberhagen plated \npitch runner Cesar Hernandez to give the Reds a 2-3 come-from-behind victory over \nNew York. Hernandez ran for pinch-hitter Cecil Espy, who got the inning started \nwith a solid single to right, moved to second on "Bob" Kelly\'s infield sneaker\ndown the third-base line, and to third on Jeff Branson\'s well-placed bunt--a \nrare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless Reds offense.\n\nCincinnati trailed 2-0 after starter Tim Pugh blinked in the fifth. He had only \ngiven up one hit in the first four innings, a fourth-inning lead-off double\nby Vince Coleman. Coleman was left stranded at third by Bobby Bonilla after\nJoe Orselak popped to short. Orselak was pinch-hitting for Eddie Murray who \nargued plate umpire Kellogg\'s inside strike by "drawing the line" (really, he\nshould know better than that). Murray, and later manager Jeff Torborg ended up getting\ntossed.\n\nThe Mets\' fifth started with a Howard Johnson\'s first-pitch homer. Pugh must \nhave been slightly shaken, as he was popped on the next pitch by Jeff Kent\'s\nsingle, then a Ryan Thompson liner to left was (surprise) misplayed by Mitchell\nand turned into a RBI triple. Catcher Hundley\'s grounder to the drawn-in Branson\nfailed to bring Thompson in, then the play of the game occured:\n\nSaberhagen was due up, so Reds pitching coach Larry Rothschild met with the infield\nto discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze. They called it perfectly:\nThompson was hung out to dry after Pugh\'s first-pitch pitch out and the threat ended.\n(Isn\'t the NATIONAL LEAGUE great??)\n\nThe Reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game. After Barry Larkin\'s\nground out, Mitchell, Chris Sabo, and Randy Milligan got back-to-back-to-back\nsingles--the third scoring Mitchell. Reggie Sanders then plated Sabo with a long\nfly to center. A double by Oliver might have scored runner Dan Wilson, but\nthird base coach Dave Bristol threw up the stop sign too late--Wilson himself was\nhung out to dry killing the Reds rally.\n\nRob Dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily. With two outs and a runner\non second Bonilla came to the plate and all I could think of was the Sunday game\nin late August last year when Bonilla\'s three-run dinger slapped a loss on\nDibble and spelled the beginning of the end for Cinci\'s season. Bonilla ended\nup walking, and HoJo flied out to left to give the Reds their first win in a \nweek, and earned Dibble his third save in as many opportunities. The win went\nto Steve Foster (1-2) who got in what must be an ego-boosting two perfect innings\nwork, striking out three. Saberhagen (2-1) got the loss--though I\'m a bit\nsurprised he even pitched in the eighth. I\'ll take it, though.\n\nThe Reds are now 3-9, still the worst team in baseball with the Royals victory\ntoday. The Mets are 6-5.\n\n\nThe Line:\n\nNew York Mets\n\n\t\t\tAB\tR\tH\t\tK\tBB\tLO\n-----------------------------------------------|----------------------------\nColeman lf\t\t4\t0\t1\t\t0\t0\t0\nFernandez ss\t\t4\t0\t0\t\t1\t0\t0\t\nMurray 1b\t\t1\t0\t0\t\t0\t0\t0\n Orselak ph/rf\t\t3\t0\t1\t\t0\t0\t0\nBonilla rf/1b\t\t3\t0\t0\t\t2\t1\t1\nJohnson 3b\t\t3\t1\t1\t\t1\t0\t2\nKent 2b\t\t\t3\t1\t1\t\t1\t0\t0\nThompson cf\t\t3\t0\t1\t\t1\t0\t0\t\nHundley c\t\t3\t0\t0\t\t2\t0\t0\nSaberhagen p\t\t3\t0\t0\t\t0\t0\t0\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTotals\t\t\t30\t2\t5\t\t8\t1\t3\n\nHR-Johnson (off Pugh, leading off fifth, 0-0 pitch) \n3b-Thompson (off Pugh, in fifth, 0 out, 1 RBI, picked-off)\n2b-Coleman (off Pugh, in fourth, 0 out, 0 on, stranded at third)\nRBI-Johnson, Thompson\n\n\nCincinnati Reds\n\n\t\t\tAB\tR\tH\t\tK\tBB\tLO\n-----------------------------------------------|----------------------------\nKelly cf\t\t4\t0\t1\t\t0\t0\t0\nBranson 2b\t\t3\t0\t1\t\t0\t0\t0\nLarkin ss\t\t3\t0\t0\t\t0\t1\t0\nMitchell lf\t\t3\t1\t1\t\t0\t0\t0\n Dibble p\t\t0\t0\t0\t\t0\t0\t0\nSabo 3b\t\t\t4\t1\t1\t\t1\t0\t2\nMilligan 1b\t\t3\t0\t3\t\t0\t0\t0\n Wilson pr/c\t\t0\t0\t0\t\t0\t0\t0\nSanders rf\t\t2\t0\t0\t\t0\t0\t1\nOliver c/1b\t\t3\t0\t1\t\t1\t0\t1 \nPugh p\t\t\t1\t0\t0\t\t1\t0\t0\n Roberts ph\t\t1\t0\t0\t\t1\t0\t0\n Foster p\t\t0\t0\t0\t\t0\t0\t0\n Espy ph \t\t1\t0\t1\t\t0\t0\t0\n Hernandez pr/lf\t0\t1\t0\t\t0\t0\t0\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTotals\t\t\t28\t3\t9\t\t4\t1\t5 (*)\n\n(*) Oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when Wilson was run down.\n\n2b Oliver (off Saberhagen, 2 out, runner on first, stranded)\nRBI-Milligan, Sanders, and Mitchell\nSac-Branson\nSF-Sanders and Mitchell\nIBB-Larkin\nGDP-Larkin\n\n\nNew York\t0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 ---- 2-5-0\nCincinnati\t0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 x ---- 3-9-0\n\n\nPitching\n\n\t\t\tIP\tR\tER\tH\tK\tBB\nNEW YORK\nSaberhagen (L 2-1)\t8\t3\t3\t9\t4\t1\n\nCINCINNATI\nPugh\t\t\t6\t2\t2\t4\t4\t0\nFoster (W 1-2)\t\t2\t0\t0\t0\t3\t0\nDibble (S 3)\t\t1\t0\t0\t1\t1\t1\n\n\nPB- Wilson\nEjected-Murray, Torborg\n\nUmps-Kellogg/Relliford/Runge/DeMuth\n\nAttendance 32,435\nT- 2:23\n\n\nComing up:\nThe Reds travel to Pittsburgh for three then continue on into Chicago for\nthree. Next game is Tuesday at 7:35, expected to pitch are Belcher (0-1)\nvs. Tomlin (0-0).\n\n\nRStimets\n',
'Subject: Motherboards & Hard Drives\nFrom: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU\nReply-To: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU\nOrganization: Cal State Northridge\nLines: 12\n\nI have just a few quick questions. Does anyone here have a 486 DLC\nsystem? (a Cyrix 486 DX) Any problems with it? \nSecond, how much should a Cyric 486DLC-33 motherboard (with\nno RAM) run me? \n3rd...Should a total amatuer (like myslef) be able to perform\na motherboard swap without the aid of a technician, or is it\nbeyond hope?\n4th...I hear that some (if not all) hard drives may require reformatting\nif you switch them to another computer (or motherboard as the case may\nbe). Is there any truth to this?\n\nAny replies would be greatly appreciated.\n',
'From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)\nSubject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?\nReply-To: stecz@pencom.com\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Pencom Software\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) \nwrites:\n> \n> \n> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. \n> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible)\n> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from\n> the same hailstorm yet?\n> \n> Craig\n\n\nRumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would \nbe about $10k.\n\n\n--\n--\n John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com\n The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the\n *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that\n everyone *will* be happy.\n',
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'From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\nSubject: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4\nOrganization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office \nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 71\n\nI have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode\'d GIF images contain charts outlining\none of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in\nCrystal City. Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can\nbe reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at\nmholderm@jscprofs.nasa.gov.\n\nMark proposed this design, which he calls "Geode" ("rough on the\noutside, but a gem on the inside") or the "ET Strongback with\nintegrated hab modules and centrifuge." As you can see from file\ngeodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much\nof the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom. The\nwhite track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte\nManipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS)\npod. This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting\ncan occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass\nproperties of the Station change during assembly.\n\nThe inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because\nit can approach closer to the Station\'s CG and at a structurally strong\npart of the Station. In the current SSF design, docking forces are\nlimited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the\ndocking system.\n\nThe ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional\nlaunch mass. We\'ve always had the ability to put an ET into orbit\n(contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we\'ve never\nhad a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to\n(performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual\nde-orbit and impact footprint). Once on-orbit, we would vent the\nresidual H2. The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from\nimpact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a\nKevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating\nthe local space environment. Option b) has the advantage of providing\nfurther micrometeor protection. The ET is incredibly strong (remember,\nit supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the\nnucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits.\n\nThe white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment\nGyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used\nfor gyro desaturation. The module also contains a de-orbit system\nwhich can be used at the end of the Station\'s life to perform a\ncontrolled de-orbit (so we don\'t kill any more kangaroos, like we\ndid with Skylab).\n\nThe centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be\nused for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity\non humans. The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device\nfor the whole attitude control system. The centrifuge is mounted on\none of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels.\n\nThis design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical,\ndata and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work\ndone to date.\n\nMark proposed this design at Joe Shea\'s committee in Crystal City,\nand he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors\nI hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter\nseems more likely.\n\nPlease note that this text is my interpretation of Mark\'s design;\nyou should see his notes in the GIF files. \n\nInstead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for\nanon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space. I\'ll\nlet you all know when I get that done.\n\n-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office\n kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368\n\n "...Development of the space station is as inevitable as \n the rising of the sun." -- Wernher von Braun\n',
'From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nKeywords: Nata thing !!\nNntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu\nReply-To: Matthew Hamilton\nOrganization: Kent State University CS\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n> \n> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.\n> \n> You sick bastard.\n> -- \n> \n> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n> \n\nWhy thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said \nthat it was right to shoot "THOSE kind" of babies. However it was the Branch\nDavidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their "savior" \n(yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that \nwhat ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their\nlives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF\'s\nwho gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and\nfor many of the rest of the U.S. I am however sad to hear of the death of any \nchild unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am.\n-- \n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A |\n| CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) |\n| Kent State University\t| 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu |\t\t\t |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| |\n| |\n| Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy |\n| |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n',
'From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nSubject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 38\nReply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) says:\n\n>Let the "GREAT CHUCKMEISTER" make a couple predictions, if you\n>will:\n>\n>1. The sun will rise tomorrow.\n>2. Rush will bash Clinton on his next show.\n>3. I will turn out to be Clinton\'s love child.\n\n\n Hey, *I* wasn\'t the one dancing and singing on Jan. 20, now\n WAS I? I was roundly ridiculed for my "predictions".\n\n Sure they were easy. TEll that to the other 43% of the people. :)\n\n\n>\n>+----------------+\n>| SUCKA! |\n>| |\n>| Made in USA | \n>+----------------+\n>\n>Hook, line, and sinker! *chuckle*\n\n\n Just WAIT until the see what Clinton has planned for \n their pension funds! :) This one doesn\'t take much thinking\n either. Uncle Sam needs money, BAD, and pension funds got it.\n\n Well, they USED to have it. Turns out the states have been\n plundering state employee funds for the past 2-3 years. ;)\n\n Ah, it\'s gonna be SWELL!\n\n\n\n',
'From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)\nSubject: VESA LB - what is bus mastering\nOrganization: The University of British Columbia\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\nI read an article about the benefits of a VLB motherboard. It said that a \ntrue VLB board supports bus mastering, otherwise it is just as good as an ISA\nmotherboard.\n\nDoesn\'t all VLB motherboard support bus mastering? I just bought a 486-33 VLB\nand the tech manual does not explicitly state the words "local bus mastering"\nbut it said it "supports bus master and slave modes". Are these terms\nsynonymous?\n\nThanks.\n\nPS. - please reply by e-mail as I don\'t read this newgroup often.\n',
'From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)\nSubject: Re: Ban All Firearms !\nOrganization: UDel: School of Life & Health Sciences\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <16BAECE99.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n}In article <C5D4Hv.8Dp@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>\n}papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:\n}\n}>In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHPLEIGH) writes:\n}>>\n}>2.If Guns were banned, and a bunch showed up in south florida, it\n}>would be 100x easier to trace and notice then a small ripple in the\n}>huge wave of the American gun-craze.\n} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n}\n} Do they teach courses in rude in Canada?\n\nThey don\'t have too. Canadian culture is handed down largely from the United\nEmpire Loyalists who fled from the American Revolution. Canuckleheads tend\nto have a "cratophilic," or government-loving attitude towards authority.\n\nPaul Prescod is right in line with this elitist bigotry and prejudice that\nall my Canadian friends hate in their fellow citizens. His sort of snobbish\nCanuck have an irrational horror of American democratic "armed mobs."\n\nTim Starr - Renaissance Now!\n\nAssistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL,\nThe International Society for Individual Liberty,\n1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102\n(415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com\n\nThink Universally, Act Selfishly - starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu\n',
'From: sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com\nSubject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership\nArticle-I.D.: bb1t.1993Apr6.125537.1\nOrganization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:\n>>\n>>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning\n>>will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I\n> \n> A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than\n> them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner,\n> and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the\n> cleaner yourself for $1.29.\n\nThis should not be the case if they are at all reputable. Fuel injector \ncleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is\nhooked up to the fuel system under high pressure. The car is actually run on\nthe solvent during the cleaning process. The equipment to properly do this is\npricey, and generally not something the average home mechanic has. The solvent\nitself is not very expensive ($5-$8) and you could probably make up a hose to\nfit your system and do it yourself, but I didn\'t tell you that... :-)\n\nNot many in-tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on. There has been a \ndiscussion of these products on here from time to time, and Chevron Techron\n(not Pro-Gard with Techron) is generally regarded as the best. It is, however,\na bit more than $1.29 a bottle. IMHO, it will not substitute for proper\ninjector cleaning if they are really crudded up. You\'ll have to decide if the\n$59 price is a better deal than spending your time and/or buying equipment to\ndo it.\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Scott Keller\t+1 314 537 6317\t The Agricultural Group of Monsanto Company \n sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com \tKA0WCH\t\tpacket: ka0wch@k0pfx.mo.usa.na\n',
'From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:\n}>On a\n}>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on\n}>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the\n}>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for\n}>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.\n}\n}...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE. It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle.\n\nNot only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike\n(a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very\ncarefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned\nthe handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other\nwords, they were *NOT* countersteering.\n\nSo perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...\n-- \nCurtis Jackson\t cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com\t\'91 Hawk GT\t\'81 Maxim 650\nDoD#0721 KotB \'91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" \'92 Collie/Golden "George"\n"There is no justification for taking away individuals\' freedom\n in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson\n',
'From: rolandi@hssc.scarolina.edu (Walter Rolandi)\nSubject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall?\nOrganization: USC Department of Computer Science\nLines: 13\n\nhagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes:\n\n\n>A good two-party system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government.\n\nyeah, just like we have here in the US.\n\n\n--\n\n WALTER G. ROLANDI\n USENET: rolandi@andy.hssc.scarolina.edu\nINTERNET: rolandi@hsscls.hssc.scarolina.edu\n',
'From: v103r4g8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We will NOT cave in....GODS OF WAR, Def Leppard)\nSubject: HELP HELP HELP\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 11\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\nDoes anyone have the NHL STANDINGS for March 28th? I need them IMMEDIATELY\nfor a project. Please post or email. THANKS.\n\n\n\n\n*************************************************************************\n Andy Hillery --- School Of Architecture\t \t\n State University of New York at Buffalo \n*************************************************************************\n',
'From: yuri@atmos.washington.edu\nSubject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: windy.atmos.washington.edu\n\nmisc.entrepreneurs,misc.wanted,pnw.forsale,uw.pc.ibm,seattle.forsale,uw.\n.forsale,misc.forsale,\nmisc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.co\nomputers.other,\nDistribution: world\nFrom:yuri@atmos.washington.edu\nReply-To: yuri@atmos.washington.edu\nOrganization: \nSubject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed\nKeywords: \n\t\n\tI need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece.\nI am waiting for an offer.\n\n\tYuri Yulaev\n\t6553, 38th ave NE\n\tSeattle WA 98115\n\t(206) 524-2806,524-9547 (home)\n\t(206) 685-3793 (work)\n\t(206) 524-7218 (FAX)\nINTERNET: yuri@atmos.washington.edu\nUUCP:\t uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!yuri\n\n',
'From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)\nSubject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message?\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 16\n\nferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) writes:\n\n>In <C5nGII.BGx@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian\n>Buntan-1) writes: \n\n>>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding\n>>fpu? In all Mac price lists I\'ve seen, every C650 as the message "fpu:\n>>optional". I know from what we\'ve discussed in this newsgroup that all\n>>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they\n>>be so unclear about this issue in their price list? \n\n>Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together\n>the brochures and price lists weren\'t clear on the FPU issue. \n\nPerhaps the marketing people don\'t KNOW what an FPU is!\n-Terry\n',
'From: victor@hpfrcu03.FRance.hp.COM (Victor GATTEGNO FRENCH CRC)\nSubject: Re: Running dxterm\'s onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 61\nTo: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au\nCc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\n> Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?).\n\nI think you are running Xapollo , it\'s a X11R3 server ...\n\nIf you want a X11R4 server you should install PSKQ3 (10.3.5) or 10.4\n so you can run Xdomain . \n\n> \n> I get these errors appearing on the DECstation:\n> \n> > dxterm\n> X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "<Key>apCharDel " to type VirtualBinding\n> ...\n> Segmentation fault\n> \n> Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif\n> incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB?\n\nIn XKeysymDB you could add : \n!\t\tApollo specific keysyms\n!\napLineDel : 1000FF00\napCharDel : 1000FF01\napCopy : 1000FF02\napCut : 1000FF03\napPaste : 1000FF04\napMove : 1000FF05\napGrow : 1000FF06\napCmd : 1000FF07\napShell : 1000FF08\napLeftBar : 1000FF09\napRightBar : 1000FF0A\napLeftBox : 1000FF0B\napRightBox : 1000FF0C\napUpBox : 1000FF0D\napDownBox : 1000FF0E\napPop : 1000FF0F\napRead : 1000FF10\napEdit : 1000FF11\napSave : 1000FF12\napExit : 1000FF13\napRepeat : 1000FF14\napKP_parenleft : 1000FFA8\napKP_parenright : 1000FFA9\n\n\n--\nVictor .\n\n \\ /\n ^ ^ \n______victor@hpfrcu03.france.hp.com_______oOOo_o_oOOo_________________\n\nVictor GATTEGNO \n\n "Be Yourself and not what people expect you to be ."\n______________________________________________________________________\n (( \n )) \n\n',
'From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <C5qt5p.Mvo@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu\n(Ken Arromdee) wrote:\n> \n> In article <115694@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n> >I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how\n> >deviant the view _as I\'ve articulated it above_ (which may not be\n> >the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. \n> \n> From the point ov view of an atheist, I see you claim Khomeini wasn\'t\n> practicing true Islam. But I\'m sure that he would have said the same about\n> you. How am I, a member of neither group, supposed to be able to tell which\n> one of you two is really a true Muslim?\n\nFred Rice answered this already in an early posting:\n"The problem with your argument is that you do not _know_ who is a _real_\nbeliever and who may be "faking it". This is something known only by\nthe person him/herself (and God). Your assumption that anyone who\n_claims_ to be a "believer" _is_ a "believer" is not necessarily true."\n\nIn other words it seems that nobody could define who is a true and\nfalse Muslim. We are back to square one, Khomeini and Hussein are \nstill innocent and can\'t be defined as evil or good Islamic \nworshippers.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n',
"From: guy@x.co.uk (Guy Singh)\nSubject: Re: xv -root with vue? (was Re: xloadimage -onroot ...)\nIn-Reply-To: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:31:27 PDT\nX-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated.\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: yorks.x.co.uk\nOrganization: Not a lot\n\t<WHALEY.93Apr3113732@behemoth.kpc.com>\n\t<1993Apr5.113128.2936@ug.eds.com>\nX-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message.\n\n>>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:31:27 PDT, jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) said:\nJan> Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156\n\nJan> On a related note, how can I use xv to display colored GIFs on my\nJan> root display with HP Vue?\n\nJan> All I can do with Vue is display xbm's through their\nJan> Backdrop Style Manager.\n\nJan> xv does not seem to be able to override whatever Vue\nJan> puts there.\n\nI suspect this is because VUE creates a window (probably OverrideRedirect)\nthat is the size of (or larger than) the Root Window. Because the window\nmanager does not know about this, you cannot move, resize etc. it. xv in the\nmean time is busy changing your root window to whatever you have requested\nbut you never get to see it because VUE's window is overlaid on top of the root\nwindow. \n\nContact HP support and see whether VUE can support coloured bitmap format\nsuch as xpm, if they cant then they probably create all their coloured\nbackdrops inside the code.\n--\n-Guy Singh, IXI Internet: guy@x.co.uk\n Vision Park UUCP: guy@ixi.uucp\n Cambridge Bang: ...!uunet!ixi!guy\n CB4 4ZR, UK Tel: +44 223 236 555\n",
'From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Life on Mars???\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.120311.1@pa881a.inland.com> schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer) writes:\n>What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the "face" and heard \n>associated theories. (which sound thin to me)\n\nThe "face" is an accident of light and shadow. There are many "faces" in\nlandforms on Earth; none is artificial (well, excluding Mount Rushmore and\nthe like...). There is also a smiley face on Mars, and a Kermit The Frog.\n\nThe question of life in a more mundane sense -- bacteria or the like -- is\nnot quite closed, although the odds are against it, and the most that the\nmore orthodox exobiologists are hoping for now is fossils.\n\nThere are currently no particular plans to do any further searches for life.\n\n>Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian?\n\nMars Observer, currently approaching Mars, will probably try to get a better\nimage or two of the "face" at some point. It\'s not high priority; nobody\ntakes it very seriously. The shadowed half of the face does not look very\nface-like, so all it will take is one shot at a different sun angle to ruin\nthe illusion.\n-- \nAll work is one man\'s work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n',
'From: bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za (Simon Bernstein)\nSubject: BOCA XGA3 woes\nOrganization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nHi. I am having some interesting problems with my Boca graphics card, which \nis based on the Cirrus Logic chipset (I am not sure exactly which one). The\nproblem is as follows:\n\nIf I use any Windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64K-colour driver (ie\n16 colour or 256 colour), the image on screen becomes too tall - no amount of\nresizing on the monitor will make it fit. And if I use Excel with the 64K-\ncolour driver, it hangs as soon as it loads. Anyone out there used this\ncard/experienced anything similar.\n\nPlease reply by mail, and I will post any solutions here.\n\nRegards\n\n - Simon\n\n\n--\n\n\n+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+\n| Simon Bernstein | "Man is condemned to be free" (Sartre) |\n| University of Natal, Durban +--------------------------------------------+\n| bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za | Simonfish on IRC |\n+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+\n',
'From: zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)\nSubject: Re: The _real_ probability of abiogenesis (was Re: Albert Sabin)\nOrganization: InterNetNews at ZDV Uni-Tuebingen\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de\n\nIn <1qc6tiINNhie@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:\n\n>adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:\n\n>>1) We\'re not just talking about proteins. In fact, we shouldn\'t be\n>>talking about proteins at all, since (if I have to say this again I\'m\n>>goint to be really upset) *nobody*claims*that*proteins*appeared*de*\n>>*novo*\n>>the proteins did not form randomly.\n>> \n\n>Before I repond to 2.), Andy, please clarify 1.). You state that\n>proteins did not form randomly. That seems to be my point. \n\nWell, I am not Andy, but if you had familiarized yourself with some of\nthe current theories/hypotheses about abiogenesis before posting :-), you\nwould be aware of the fact that none of them claims that proteins were\nassembled randomly from amino acids. It is current thinking that RNA-\nbased replicators came before proteinaceous enzymes, and that proteins\nwere assembled by some kind of primitive translation machinery.\n\nNow respond to 2. :-)\n--Cornelius.\n-- \n/* Cornelius Krasel, Department of Physiological Chemistry, U Tuebingen */ \n/* email: krasel@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de */\n/* "People are DNA\'s way of making more DNA." (R. Dawkins / anonymous) */\n',
"From: peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve)\nSubject: Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow\nOrganization: Memex Information Systems Ltd, East Kilbrde, Scotland\nLines: 70\n\nExcerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions:\n\n> -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone\n> calls and data, under proper court or other legal\n> order, when necessary to protect our citizens;\n\n>Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on\n> a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation\n> encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to\n> decipher the message?\n>\n>A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a\n> court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They\n> would then present documentation of this authorization to\n> the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and\n> obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug\n> smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are\n> stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key\n> escrow system.\n\nIn these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a\ncourt order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal\nwiretap. What is/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the\nsystem of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system?\n\nThe second section shows the sequence of events.\nThe law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the\nline with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope\nwith digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are\ntalking analogue telephony here).\nWhat next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use?\nIs it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained?\nI thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some\nintermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course\nin data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the\ndigital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the\nsame problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not\nbe at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later\nit would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units\n(these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn.\n\nHow tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed\nfor use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone\nline quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised\nspeech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to\nadd lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync.\n\n>Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use\n> the government hardware?\n>\n>A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control\n> requirements. ... One of the\n> attractions of this technology is the protection it can give\n> to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this\n> in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a\n> case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these\n> devices to secure their own communications abroad.\n> ...\n\nThis raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect\nanything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body\ncalled BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group,\nthat they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know\nif this is true or not, but this would make a good test case.\nPerhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get\nto fish in the escrowed key pool as well.\n\n\n\t\tPeter Ilieve\t\tpeter@memex.co.uk\n\n",
'From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.000256.24403@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA writes:\n>What it comes down to is that Jagr, despite being an arrogant asshole, is a\n>very good hockey player who has had a better season this year than Ron Francis.\n>Jagr has more points and a better +/-.\n\nJagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from\nan informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than\nJaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a \ndecent year (although it didn\'t live up to the expectations of some).\n \n>Gregmeister\n\nDean\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDean J. Falcione "Badges? What badges? We \n(using jrmst8 by permission Don\'t need no stinkin\'\n of the owner, Joe McDonald) badges!"\n',
"From: hurh@fnal.fnal.gov (Patrick Hurh)\nSubject: Cache Card and Optimum Memory Settings?\nOrganization: fnal\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: phurh.fnal.gov\n\nHere's a question that may be simple enough to answer, but has stumped\nmyself and a few others:\n\nWhat does an external RAM cache card do for you if you already have a large\ncache set (through control panel) in your SIMMs?\n\nEX: I have a Mac IIci with 20 meg RAM, an external video card (so I don't\nrob my SIMM's), and the default Apple cache card (I believe this is 32K?). \nSay I have my cache set at 2 MEG, what good does a measly 32K do me on the\ncache card? Could it actually slow things down by dividing the cache\nbetween the card and the SIMM's? Or does it still speed things up by\nproviding a 'secondary staging' area for data normally passed directly into\nthe SIMM RAM cache?\n\nI'm confused because it seems like cache cards are so low in memory to\nreally do any good compared to what you can set yourself. Yet, Daystar\nFastCache has numbers which show around a 30% performance boost on some\noperations. Are the chips on the cache card simply faster than most SIMM\naccesses?\n\nPlease help, I'm trying to find the optimum memory settings for the IIci\nsystem described in the EX above.\n\n--patrick\nhurh@fnal.fnal.gov\n",
"From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)\nSubject: Re: VIPER\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 14\n\nrmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:\n\n\n>Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.\n>I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,\n>and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.\n>Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....\n\nVell...Let's see...vas you muzzah in der passenger seat? Or vas you muzzah in\nder leefing room, vit you fazah?\n\nM.\n(Feeling a tad bit Freudian, doubtless inspired by the magnificent phallic-ness\n(some word) of the Viper)\n",
"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <115565@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n>In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>\n>>I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which\n>>ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim\n>>community in the Uk and elsewhere.\n>\n>Grow up, childish propagandist.\n>\n\n Gosh, Gregg. I'm pretty good a reading between the lines, but\n you've given me precious little to work with in this refutation.\n Could you maybe flesh it out just a bit? Or did I miss the full\n grandeur of it's content by virtue of my blinding atheism?\n\n\n\n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \n\nBob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM \n\nThey said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,\nand sank Manhattan out at sea.\n\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n",
'From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 97\n\nIn article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:\n>In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) \n>writes:\n>> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De \n>Arras) writes:\n>> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) \n>> >writes:\n>> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come \n>> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and \n>> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear \n>gassed.\n>> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to \n>> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved.\n>> >> \n>> >\n>> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. \n>> \n>> Unworthy of comment.\n>\n>But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course.\n\nSo, your opinion is truth. I see... :-)\n\n>> >Humans died \n>> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the \n>> >actions \n>> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them. \n>> \n>> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty.\n>> That is undeniable truth. \n>\n>No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the \n>gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I\'m not proposing this as \n>the way it went down, but just to point out that it\'s not "undeniable" that if \n>they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today.\n\nYou can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people \nhave left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff.\n\nAnd since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you \ncan not say undeniably that there wouldn\'t have been a mass suicide if the \nFBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days.\n\n>> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for \n>> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities \n>> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion \n>> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up \n>> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning.\n>\n>My heart "bleeds" for no one. You are the "bleeding heart". And I\'m sure \n>beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You \n>can not say the heartless things you have said if you did.\n\nI am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense.\nYou seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this \ncompound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless \nto me.\n\nI just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn\'t \nstayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me \nsad and sick.\n\n>> >You seem to say \n>> >they got what they deserved.\n>> \n>> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in \n>> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they \n>> wanted and put into motion themselves.\n>\n>"they got what they wanted". What kind of creature are you that you can \n>believe this?\n\nHave you ever heard of Jonestown?\nThe sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority \nworshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these \npeople were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot \nmore survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as \nlast year.\n\n>> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely \n>> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair \n>> from the start.\n>\n>We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too.\n\nBy all means, the FBI should be investigated, too. \nBTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-)\n\n>> >Jim\n>> >--\n>> >jmd@handheld.com\n>> \n\n\n-- \n\n\n',
"From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson)\nSubject: RE: survey\nOrganization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu\nKeywords: survey,complaints\n\nYes, I know this is not Rec.music, (as someone has already pointed out, thanks I know that), I'm trying to get a random sample and also I'm desperate for respones.\nSo please, don't mail me complaining that it doesn't belong here or that it is wasting bandwidth. \nThis affects EVERYBODY not just readers of music groups. Please either complete the survey, or hit 'n', because I'll just bounce back complaints.\n\nThank you\n-Matt\n\n\n\n-- \n********************************************************************************\n* / \\ # Matthew T. Thompson *\n* /\\ /| |\\ # Electrical/Computer Engineering *\n* / \\/ |ETALLIC| \\ # University of New Hampshire *\n* \\/ \\/ # E-mail: mtt@kepler.unh.edu or my evil twin at *\n* \\ / # shazam@unh.edu *\n********************************************************************************\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Fingernail "moons"\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <733196190.AA00076@calcom.socal.com> Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) writes:\n\n>I only have lunulas on my thumbs. Is there any medical \n>significance to that finding? Thank you in advance for all \n>replies.\n>\n\nTry peeling the skin back at the base of your other fingernails\n(not too hard, now, don\'t want to hurt yourself). You\'ll find\nnice little lunulas there if you can peel it back enough. \n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu ()\nSubject: XTranslateCoord. Problem\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu\n\nIt seems like XTranslateCoord. doesn't work the way I expecting it. Right\nafter performs a XMoveWindow, I want to know the absolute window position\nwith respect to the root window. To get this info. I do a XTranslateCoordinates\nbut the abs_x, and abs_y aren't right? Does anybody know of a way to find \nout this information?\n\nThanks, please e-mail to hsteve@carina.unm.edu if it's possible\n\n-- \n _---_ Steve \n / o o \\ hsteve@hydra.unm.edu, hsteve@carina.unm.edu\n | \\___/ | \n Just say NO to VMS!!\n",
'From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker)\nSubject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 26\n\nwagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) writes:\n\n>The deutero-canonical books were added much later in the church\'s\n>history. They do not have the same spiritual quality as the\n>rest of Scripture. I do not believe the church that added these\n>books was guided by the Spirit in so doing. And that is where\n>this sort of discussion ultimately ends.\n\n>David H. Wagner\n>a confessional Lutheran\t\t"Now thank we all our God\n\n\n\tWhoah whoah whoah WHOAH!!! What?!?\n\n\tThat last paragraph just about killed me. The Deuterocanonicals have\n\tALWAYS been accepted as inspired scripture by the Catholic Church,\n\twhich has existed much longer than any Protestant Church out there.\n\tIt was Martin Luther who began hacking up the bible and deciding to\n\tREMOVE certain books--not the fact that the Catholic Church decided\n\tto add some much later--that is the reason for the difference between\n\t"Catholic" and "Protestant" bibles. \n\n\tSorry for the tone--but that comment really irked me.\n\t\t\t\t\t- Mike Walker\n\t\t\t\t\t mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\t\t\t\t\t (Univ. of Illinois)\n',
"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night)\nSubject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports\nOrganization: Michigan Technological University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 21\n\nCharlie Brett (cfb@fc.hp.com) wrote:\n: You were right the second time, it is KNX. Believe it or not, I also\n: listen to KNX in the evenings here in Colorado! It's kind of fun driving\n: through the country listening to traffic jams on the 405. Back to your\n: original question. Yes, there are sensors just past every on-ramp and\n: off-ramp on the freeways. They're the same sensors used at most stoplights\n: now (coils in the pavement). You might want to give CalTrans a call or\n: even ask Bill Keene (KNX's traffic reporter). I doubt if just anyone can\n: get the information, but it would be worth asking just in case you can\n: get it.\n\nI seem to remember that they sell the information (and a computer connection)\nto anyone willing to pay.\n\nOn the subject of the pavement sensors, can anyone tell me more about them?\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChristopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat.\n",
"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)\nSubject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\nOrganization: Apple Computer Inc.\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5115s.5Fy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> \njht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) writes:\n> I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg\n> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the\n> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that\n> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even\n> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4\n> meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might\n> want to know.....\n\nThere's absolutely no reason why differences in the DRAM access time \n_alone_ would cause an incompatibility. There would have to be another \ndifference between the SIMMs for there to be a problem. I've often used \nmemory of different speeds with no problems whatsoever. As long as it's\nas fast (or faster) than the minimum requirement you should be fine.\n\nJust out of curiosity, did you actually try this and see a problem, or \nwere you told it wouldn't work and so never tried it? Also out of \ncuriosity, do you know exactly who in Cupertino you dealer talked to (as \nI'd like to find out what they're basing this recommendation on).\n\n- Dale Adams\n Apple Computer, Inc.\n",
"From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu\nSubject: CD'S FOR SALE\nLines: 22\nOrganization: University of Lowell\n\n Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated\n which includes shipping and handling.\n\n\nAchtung baby\t\t\t\tU2 *\nJoshua tree\t\t\t\tU2 **\nThe immaculate collection Madonna ** $12\nLove hurts Cher *\nGarth brooks Garth brooks *\nRed hot ..chilli peppers.. **\nOOOOOHHHHH\t\t\t\tTLC **\nLight and shadows\t\t\twilson **\n\n\n\n* Used only once.\n** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps\n\nPlease email to\n\nkGC @ woods.ulowell.edu\n\n",
"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)\nSubject: Overriding default WM Behaviour\nOrganization: Oracle Europe\nLines: 48\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\nI posted this about tow weeks ago but never saw it make it (Then again\nI've had some problems with the mail system). Apologies if this appears\nfor the second time:\n\nUsually when I start up an application, I first get the window outline\non my display. I then have to click on the mouse button to actually\nplace the window on the screen. Yet when I specify the -geometry \noption the window appears right away, the properties specified by\nthe -geometry argument. The question now is:\n\nHow can I override the intermediary step of the user having to specify\nwindow position with a mouseclick? I've tried explicitly setting window\nsize and position, but that did alter the normal program behaviour.\n\nThanks for any hints\n---> Robert\n\nPS: I'm working in plain X, using tvtwm.\n\n\n\n******************************************************************************\n* Robert Gasch * Der erste Mai ist der Tag an dem die Stadt ins *\n* Oracle Engineering * Freihe tritt und den staatlichen Monopolanspruch *\n* De Meern, NL * auf Gewalt in Frage stellt *\n* rgasch@nl.oracle.com * - Einstuerzende Neubauten *\n******************************************************************************\n\n\n----------------------- Headers ------------------------\n>From uupsi7!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-mailer Thu Apr 22 17:24:28 1993 remote from aolsys\nReceived: from uupsi7 by aolsys.aol.com id aa19841; Thu, 22 Apr 93 17:10:35 EDT\nReceived: from srmftp.psi.com by uu7.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP;\n id AA02784 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 93 12:04:36 -0400\nReceived: from expo.lcs.mit.edu by srmftp.psi.com (4.1/3.1.072291-PSI/PSINet)\n id AA17104; Thu, 22 Apr 93 10:19:31 EDT\nReceived: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:38 -0400\nReceived: from ENTERPOOP.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:37 -0400\nReceived: by enterpoop.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA27271; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:14 -0400\nReceived: from USENET by enterpoop with netnewsfor xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu (xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu);contact usenet@enterpoop if you have questions.\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\nDate: 22 Apr 93 08:09:35 GMT\nFrom: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)\nMessage-Id: <3873@nlsun1.oracle.nl>\nOrganization: Oracle Europe\nSubject: Overriding Default Behaviour\n\n",
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: Roe v. Wade\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <lsm2fjINNlnf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:\n> >> In article <15230@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# ## #I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a\n# ## #clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering\n# ## #a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice\n# ## #doesn\'t have a grain of truth to it.\n# \n# #In article <ls8ruoINN54b@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM#, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:\n# ## \n# ## Ah, Clayton, so I see that you have found someone new to bash. Tell\n# ## me, how many pro-choicers have compared abortion in a clinic to a\n# ## religious ritual in a church? I\'ll bet that you\'ve seen "overwhelming\n# ## support" for this opinion in some newsgroup or another.\n# \n# In article <15313@optilink.COM# cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# #No, but I\'ve seen the comparison drawn by pro-choicers in ca.politics.\n# #It is worrisome to me. But not to you?\n# \n# 1. I\'ve been reading ca.politics for a while now, and I don\'t recall\n# seeing such a comparison.\n\nYou don\'t read *my* postings very carefully; I\'m not surprised. It\nwas pretty shocking, and is part of why my sympathy (though not\nagreement) with the pro-lifers is increasing.\n\n# 2. A handful of lunatic opinions expressed in ca.politics does not\n# make me think that the opinion is widely held.\n\nWhen did I say that it was?\n\n# Clayton, I wish I knew what made you tick. Your math sucks, and you\n# take single instances of fringe opinions and proclaim the existence of\n# a pernicious trend. There\'s about a quarter billion people living in\n# this country -- some small number of them are almost guaranteed to\n# hold opinions that you (and I) find positively repellent. As long as\n# the small number is truly a small number, and as long as they\'re not\n# my neighbor (highly likely), I\'m not worried about it.\n\nWhen they hold high public office, you should worry.\n\n# By the way, when you cite experts, remember that Carl Sagan and Paul\n# Ehrlich [sp?] are experts, too. If I\'ve never heard of your experts,\n# I\'ll consider the source (you, a man who is clearly unable to master\n# elementary statistics and uses of statistical inference) and ignore\n# them.\n# \n# David Chase\n\nYou mean, I don\'t come to the conclusions that your emotional\nstate requires.\n\n\n\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
"From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\n\n>> So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it.\n>> The article didn't say anything about copyrights.\n\nI'm sure the whole newspaper is copyrighted. They could have gotten\npermission to use the image under their own copyright.\n\nmark\n",
'From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal <dlneal>)\nSubject: AMIGA Software For Sale!!\nOrganization: Edgewood\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil\n\n\n I have the following Amiga software for sale:\n\nProVideo GOLD $50\n\nAmigaVision $25\n\nB.E.S.T. Plan It! $10\nspreadsheet\n(still in shrinkwrap)\n\nSuperBack $10\n(hard drive backup)\n\nCertificate Maker $10\n\n\nAdd s&h to the above and its yours...email me at the address listed below:\n\n\nthanx,\n-Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil\n',
'From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)\nSubject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)\nKeywords: CB900C, purchase, advice\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.142831.13635@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:\n>--\n>In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu \n>(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:\n>|>>\n>|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull\n>|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,\n>|>>>but I\'ll probably be too busy riding ;-).\n>|>>\n>|>>\tDoes this count?\n>|>\n>|>Yes. He thought about it.\n>|>>\n>|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press\n>|>>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t return...)\n>\n>Hey, c\'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even \n>tried to get my FAQ\'s straight. Don\'t holler BOHICA at me!\n> \nAround here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig\ncan get you soundly FAQed. Notice, however, that I myself did\nnot FAQ the careful monk. He was, after all, waiting to press return.\n\n\nJack Waters II\nDoD#1919\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n~ I don\'t fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~\n~ afternoon, when I\'m still asleep, that I worry about. ~\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\n\n',
'From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU ("Matthew J. Rush")\nSubject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner????\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 4\n\nktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:\n> Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post.\n\nMaine 5-4. \n',
'From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem)\nSubject: Israeli Media (was Re: Israeli Terrorism)\nReply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem)\nOrganization: NCSU Chem Eng\nLines: 33\n\n\nIn article <2BD9C01D.11546@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n|> In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n|> >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in\n|> >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering\n|> >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is\n|> >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda.\n|> \n|> Since one is also unlikely to get "the truth" from either Arab or \n|> Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to "understand", to learn? \n|> Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way \n|> to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer\'s "political\n|> agenda", whether it is "on" or "against" our *side*.\n|> \n|> Tim \n\nTo Andi,\n\nI have to disagree with you about the value of Israeli news sources. If you\nwant to know about events in Palestine it makes more sense to get the news\ndirectly from the source. EVERY news source is inherently biased to some\nextent and for various reasons, both intentional and otherwise. However, \nthe more sources relied upon the easier it is to see the "truth" and to discern \nthe bias. \n\nGo read or listen to some Israeli media. You will learn more news and more\nopinion about Israel and Palestine by doing so. Then you can form your own\nopinions and hopefully they will be more informed even if your views don\'t \nchange.\n\nBrad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)\nJake can call me Doctor Mohandes Brad "Ali" Hernlem (as of last Wednesday)\n',
'From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:\n>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to\n>recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt. In\n>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.\n\nDammit, how did ArfArf\'s latest excretion escape my kill file?\n\nOh, he changed sites. Again. *sigh* OK, I assume no other person\non this planet will ever use the login name of arf.\n\n/arf@/aK:j \n\n-- \nMike Van Pelt mvp@netcom.com\n"... Local prohibitions cannot block advances in military and commercial\ntechnology.... Democratic movements for local restraint can only restrain\nthe world\'s democracies, not the world as a whole." -- K. Eric Drexler\n',
'From: arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel)\nSubject: Looking for boxscores\nOrganization: Universite de Montreal\nDistribution: na\nLines: 5\n\n\nI am looking for all the 84 boxscores of any NHL team for \nsome personal research. Can someone help me ?\n\nMichel Arsenault\n',
'Subject: Cornerstone DualPage driver wanted\nFrom: tkelder@ebc.ee (Tonis Kelder)\nNntp-Posting-Host: kask.ebc.ee\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 13\nLines: 13\n\n\n\n\nI am looking for a WINDOW 3.1 driver for \n Cornerstone DualPage (Cornerstone Technology, Inc) \nvideo card. Does anybody know, that has these? Is there one?\n\nThanks for any info,\n\nTo~nis\n-- \nTo~nis Kelder Estonian Biocentre (tkelder@kask.ebc.ee)\n\n',
'From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers?\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 14\n\n\nUPI Clarinet has just relayed a "scoop" from the Toronto Sun\n(or was that Star? I like the Star myself ...) that Iron Mike\nKeenan has come to an agreement with the New York Rangers for\nnext season. Interestingly, this comes the day after the Times\nSports had an editorial about how the Rangers need their own\nPat Riley ... who cares about what happens after next season?\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n',
'From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)\nSubject: Daily Verse\nOrganization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA\nLines: 4\n\nHe who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will\nbe my son. \n\nRevelation 21:7\n',
'From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas)\nSubject: Re: Is ms-windows a "mature" OS?\nKeywords: ms-windows\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <cyen.735139934@ponder> Jesse writes:\n>hi,\n> Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would\n>know if ms-windows is a "mature" OS.\n>\n> Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why\n>they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft\n\n[Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...]\n\n>Jesse\n>e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu\n\n\tHmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of\nthose endless threads \'Mac Vs Win" and might even end up as "OS/2 Vs Win".\nWell, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which\ncase that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge... \nFirst of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try\nto use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and\nshareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself\nthought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace-\nment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will\neven change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan\ndoes that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do\nthat, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda\nhard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not\npaying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet\nstory ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM\'s icons\nnot correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :)..\nPM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your \nsettings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities\nfrom cica that supposedly give you a \'Mac feel\'... I dont wanna get in the\ndiscussion which is a better system: Mac\'s are good in their own way -- they\nare _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing\nthis from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) )\nBy all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under\nthe pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac\'s OS on\na PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )...\nJust trying to avoid another Mac-Win war...\n\n\n-- \nCostas Malamas ____________________________________________________________\nGeorgia Institute of Technology \nOIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT\'s... \nInternet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: ergo@wam.umd.edu (Laurice)\nSubject: Brand New Software Packages for Sale\nNntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nDistribution: um\nLines: 6\n\nLooking for people to buy brand new software packages including Microsoft\nWindows, Harvard Graphics, Pagemaker, Paradox, Lotus, etc. at 20-25% off\nlist price.\n\nE-mail IMMEDIATELY to "ergo@wam.umd.edu" with name, phone #, email address,\nand software names.\n',
'From: "Patricia L. Bruno" <pb37+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Hockey Hell\nOrganization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 42\n\t<C4s4JK.F72@andy.bgsu.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C4s4JK.F72@andy.bgsu.edu>\n\n> \n>In article <C4nq5G.EKB@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,\n>rgemeinh@separator.ecn.purdue.edu (Richard A Gemeinhart) wrote:\n>> \n>> In article <1993Mar26.155933.9669@ncsu.edu> fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu\n(FRANK MICH\n>AE SALVATORE) writes:\n>> >\n>> >\n>> >I am originally from New York State, and I go to school\n>> >in North Carolina. Yet, I don\'t constantly gripe about\n>> >the lack of hockey. Wouldn\'t some of you who chose to go\n>> >to school in the South realize (most who gripe are Clemson students)\n>> >that hockey isn\'t quite as popular in South Carolina\n>> >when you chose a school?\n>> >\n>> >Why did you all (excuse me - y\'all) choose schools in\n>> >the South if hockey was this important to you? \n>> \n>> Not everyone has the luxury of deciding on a college by making sure the \n>> hockey coveraage is what you want it to be. I am a Pittsburgh transplan\n>> to S. C. when at home and the coveraage sucks. Sports south didn\'t\neven show\n>> the final game of the Stanley Cup laast year while it was happening. They\n>> put it on ktape delay and cut the intermissions then went off the air. \n>> When you move you take the good with the bad and deal with it; it doesn\'t\n>> mean thaat you can\'t complain about it.\n> \n>I was transplanted by my parents from the Greater Hartford area to the\n>Greater Cleveland, Ohio area. This was not an action of my choice. The\n>only hockey coverage I could get there regularly was Red Wings and Penguins\n>(explaining, in part, why I follow these teams today). In Cleveland you\n>couldn\'t even find hockey scores on the 11 o\'clock news because they\n>figured that if they didn\'t have it, it wasn\'t a sport.\n> \n\n\nAt least your parents didn\'t move you Idaho. The only things that get\nany coverage there are football, basketball and baseball!\n\nPatty\n\n',
"From: kene@acs.bu.edu (Kenneth Engel)\nSubject: Re: Atheists and Hell\nOrganization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 18\n\n|> Imagine the worst depth of despair you've\n|> ever encountered, or the worst physical pain you've ever experienced.\n|> Some people suffer such emotional, physical, and mental anguish\n|> in their lives that their deaths seem to be merciful. But at least\n|> the pain does end in death. What if you lived a hundred such lives,\n|> at the conclusion of one you were instantly reborn into another?\n|> What if you lived a million, a billion years in this state?\n|> What if this kept going forever?\n\n\nDid this happen to Jesus? I don't think so, not from what I heard. He lived\nONE DAY of suffering and died. If the wages of sin is the above paragraph, then\nJESUS DIDN'T PAY FOR OUR SINS, DID HE?\n\nI'd be surprised to see the moderator let this one through, but I seriously\nwant a reasonable explanation for this.\n\nken\n",
"From: jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail)\nSubject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine...\nNntp-Posting-Host: cue.bc.ca\nOrganization: Computer Using Educators of B.C., Canada\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.090638.14653@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes:\n>\n>I wonder why nobody has ever tried to replace the oscilator only, like on a\n Mac IIsi.\n\nI have had my Q700 running with a 66.666 MHz osc for a few months. I have a\nnumber of SCSI devices connected (Quantum LP52, Maxtor 213, Toshiba MK156F via\nEmulex adapter, Pioneer DRM-600) and have had no trouble.\n\nI am using the stock cooling facilities, I considered adding a fan/heat pump,\nbut don't feel they are necessary (for my box anyway). I have a temp meter on\norder and plan to do some measurements when it arrives in a few weeks. Email me\nif you want to see the results.\n\nJames MacPhail jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (on bounce, try james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca)\n",
"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi)\nSubject: Re: EEG Kit?\nNntp-Posting-Host: cec1\nOrganization: Washington University, St. Louis MO\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <cantrell.735330560@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov> cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) writes:\n>Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get\n>kits to build an EEG. Does anyone remember where you could get\n>this. I'm very interested in getting some info on this. Thanks \n>in advance.\n>\n>eric\n>\n>cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa \n>\n\nContact Circuit Cellar Inc., 4 Park St. - Suite 12, Vernon, CT 06066\n(203)875-2751, FAX (203)872-2204 and inquire about HAL-4 EEG Biofeedback\nBrainwave Analyzer. \n\nIn addition, if you want to build your own system from board-level compo-\nnents (biosignal amplifiers, analog isolators and isolated multiplexers)\nyou can contact The Davron Group,P.O. Box 237, Deerfield, IL 60015\nFAX (708)948-9290.\n\n- David\n\n\n+------------------------------------------------------------+\n| David Prutchi HC1DT |\n| Washington University <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu> |\n| Campus Box 1185 <dp@cec1.wustl.edu> |\n| One Brookings Drive |\n| St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 |\n+------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
'From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE)\nSubject: Re: Ryan out for 2-5 weeks!!\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 12\n\nAnd then cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq) quoth:\n>Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and\n>is expected to miss 2-5 weeks. \n\nThat\'s too bad. I really had hoped Nolan could end his career with a great\nyear. I suppose there is still hope.\n\n-- \nJason Lee jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu Giants\ne ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 The most beautiful equation in mathematics. Magic\nFor all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: Number:\n "It might have been." John Greenleaf Whittier 155\n',
'From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu\nSubject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh\'s 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)\nLines: 38\nOrganization: University of Massachusetts Lowell\n\nIn article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes:\n> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:\n>>For those who think David Koresh didn\'t have a solid structure,\n>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast,\n> \n> I don\'t think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his\n> sermon. It\'s the deaths he\'s responsible for that concern most people.\n\nI assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths?\n \n> Koresh was a nut, okay? \n\nAgain, I\'d like to see some evidence.\n \n> I\'ll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set\n> the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don\'t make him out to\n> be a martyr. He did not "get killed", he killed himself.\n\nOnce again, where\'s your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch\nDavidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to\ncommit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not\nsuicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire\nwas started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities\nknocked over a lantern.\n \n> The evil was inside the compound. \n\nEvidence please?\n\n> All that "thou shalt not kill" stuff.\n\nI\'d like to point out that the Bible says "Do not commit murder." The NKJ\ntranslation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The\nreason why they were stockpiling weapons is because they were afraid the\ngovernment would try something. Their fears were obviously well founded.\n--Ray Cote\n\nThere\'s no government like no government.\n',
'From: "Terence M. Rokop" <tr2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Patrick Playoffs Look Like This\nOrganization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 20\n\t<BSON.93Apr14154548@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <BSON.93Apr14154548@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>\n\nJan Brittenson writes:\n\n>last year. The Pens\' weak spot is defense and goaltending -- if Boston\n\n ...\n\n> Boston doesn\'t have the guns of the Pens, but the Pens doesn\'t have\n>the defense, goaltending, and discipline of Boston. Still, Boston can\n\nWhy do you say this? As of now, the Pens and Bruins have played the\nsame number of games, and given up the same number of goals. They are\ntied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league, behind\nChicago first and Toronto second. The Pens\' weak spot is defense? Only\nby comparison to their offense, which is second in the league to\nDetroit. But the Pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the\nBruins are; that is, they are both very strong.\n\n\n\n Terry\n',
'From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: 17" Monitors\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI would realy like to hear from someone that has one of these NANAO T560i\nmonitors that is driving it with a Diamond SpeedStar 24x. With the 24x\nset up to run at its 58.1 khz 72.0hz output mode, and realy driving the\nhell out of the monitor. Just woundering if the NANAO T560i would fall\napart with poor low capabilities like my (3) Sony 1604s did with the 24x\ndriving their balls off...Sam\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon\'t copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n',
'From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana\nLines: 16\n\nJeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes:\n...\n>people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up\n>and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D\n\nSeen that movie already. Or one just like it.\nCome to think of it, they might send someone on\na quest to get rid of the dang thing...\n\n>Jeff Cook Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\n--\nPhil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.\npgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man\n\n\n',
'From: pinky@tamu.edu (The Man behind The Curtain)\nSubject: Views on isomorphic perspectives?\nOrganization: Texas A&M University\nLines: 87\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu\nKeywords: isomorphic perspectives\n\n \nI\'m working upon a game using an isometric perspective, similar to\nthat used in Populous. Basically, you look into a room that looks\nsimilar to the following:\n\n xxxx\n xxxxx xxxx\n xxxx x xxxx\n xxxx x xxxx\n xxxx 2 xxxx 1 xxxx\n x xxxx xxxx x\n x xxxx xxxx x\n x xxxx o xxxx x\n xxxx 3 /|\\ xxxx\n xxxx /~\\ xxxx\n xxxx xxxx\n xxxx xxxx\n xxxx\n\nThe good thing about this perspective is that you can look and move\naround in three dimensions and still maintain your peripheral vision. [*]\n\nSince your viewpoint is always the same, the routines can be hard-coded\nfor a particular vantage. In my case, wall two\'s rising edge has a slope\nof 1/4. (I\'m also using Mode X, 320x240).\n\nI\'ve run into two problems; I\'m sure that other readers have tried this\nbefore, and have perhaps formulated their own opinions:\n\n1) The routines for drawing walls 1 & 2 were trivial, but when I ran a\npacked->planar image through them, I was dismayed by the "jaggies." I\'m\nnow considered some anti-aliasing routines (speed is not really necessary).\nIs it worth the effort to have the artist draw the wall already skewed,\nthus being assured of nice image, or is this too much of a burden?\n\n2) Wall 3 presents a problem; the algorithm I used tends to overly distort\nthe original. I tried to decide on paper what pixels go where, and failed.\nHas anyone come up with method for mapping a planar to crosswise sheared\nshape?\n\nCurrently I take:\n\n 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16\n 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32\n 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48\n 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64\n\nand produce:\n \n 1 2 3 4\n33 34 35 36 17 18 19 20 5 6 7 8\n49 50 51 52 37 38 39 40 21 22 23 24 9 10 11 12\n 53 54 55 56 41 42 43 44 25 26 27 28 13 14 15 16\n 57 58 59 60 45 46 47 48 29 30 31 32\n 61 62 63 64\n\nLine 1 follows the slope. Line 2 is directly under line 1.\nLine 3 moves up a line and left 4 pixels. Line 4 is under line 3.\nThis fills the shape exactly without any unfilled pixels. But\nit causes distortions. Has anyone come up with a better way?\nPerhaps it is necessary to simply draw the original bitmap\nalready skewed?\n\nAre there any other particularly sticky problems with this perspective?\nI was planning on having hidden plane removal by using z-buffering.\nLocations are stored in (x,y,z) form.\n\n[*] For those of you who noticed, the top lines of wall 2 (and wall 1)\n*are* parallel with its bottom lines. This is why there appears to\nbe an optical illusion (ie. it appears to be either the inside or outside\nof a cube, depending on your mood). There are no vanishing points.\nThis simplifies the drawing code for objects (which don\'t have to\nchange size as they move about in the room). I\'ve decided that this\napproximation is alright, since small displacements at a large enough\ndistance cause very little change in the apparent size of an object in\na real perspective drawing.\n\nHopefully the "context" of the picture (ie. chairs on the floor, torches\nhanging on the walls) will dispell any visual ambiguity.\n\nThanks in advance for any help.\n\n-- \nTill next time, \\o/ \\o/\n V \\o/ V email:pinky@tamu.edu\n<> Sam Inala <> V\n\n',
'From: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen)\nSubject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors\nNntp-Posting-Host: hacke11.dtek.chalmers.se\nOrganization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden\nLines: 37\n\nandrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:\n\n>d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes:\n\n>>1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture.\n\n>>5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding\n\n>>color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is \n\n>>see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all,\n>>There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in\n>>a 24 bit card. If\n>>you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow\n>>or something and turn\n>>up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding.\n\n> While I don\'t mean to damn Henrik\'s attempt to be helpful here,\n>he\'s using a common misconception that should be corrected.\n\n> Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color\n>quantization you see when you don\'t have enough bits. It is the\n>human eye\'s response to transitions or edges between intensities.\n>The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on\n>the brighter side and darker on the darker side.\n\n>--Andre\n\nYeah, of course... The term \'mach banding\' was not the correct one, it should\'ve\nbeen \'color quantization effect\'. Although a bad color quantization effect could\nresult in some visible mach-bands on a picture that was smooth before it was\nquantizised.\n\n--\nHenrik Harmsen Internet: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se\n Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden. \n "I haven\'t lost my mind -- it\'s backed up on tape somewhere."\n',
"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer\nSubject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises\nOrganization: Allegheny College\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu \n(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael \nLurie) The Liberalizer writes:\n> >\n> > Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie \nof \n> >the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, \nWhy \n> >bother.\n> \n> I'd be willing to make two wagers:\n> 1) Snow doesn't win ROY.\n> 2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.\n> \n\n\n\nNo, You are quite correct, but I was using some wishful thinking.\nJT snow was wasting away, while Abbott can provide a great resourse for \nthe team.\n",
'Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nDistribution: usa\n <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu\n <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,\nandy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says:\n>\n>>I have been at a shooting range where\n>>gang members were "practicing" shooting.\n>\n>How do "we" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops\n>or even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes?\n>\n"We" know because the area that the gun shop/shooting range is in is right on\nthe border of the west side of Chicago. That is a gang infested area. There\nare many, many bad things going on in that area. Also, I have several friends\nthat live very close to that area who have had problems with some of these\nfolks. By the way, where did I say that they were minorities? Do you think\nthat only minorities have gangs? Not so. As far as the quotes are concerned\nit was totally obvious that they weren\'t just practicing for marksmanship. I\ndon\'t know about you but I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by\ntaking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting. If\nyou would have been there Andy it would\'ve been obvious to you too. Of course\nit might not have been. Who knows. All I do know is that I was there, I live\nhere and I know that they were gang bangers. When you live here long enough it\nbecomes pretty easy to spot them via gang colors, gang signs, etc. One last\nthing. My sister is a social worker. She makes it her point to find these\nthings out (gang signs, colors, etc) because it is in her best interest to do\nso. She is nice enough to let me know these things so I can watch out for\nmyself as I live right on the border of the west side of the city. Enough said.\n\nJason\n',
"From: cui@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Jun Cui)\nSubject: How to hold the control to a window object?\nKeywords: ObjectWindows, MS-Windows, SDK\nNntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University\nDistribution: comp.os.ms-windows.misc comp.windows.ms\nLines: 30\n\n//I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1) and trying to get some data \n//processed in a window object. However, when the calling program invokes \n//the window object, it gives up the control to the window object, and keeps \n//executing the next statement. I would like the calling program, after \n//invoking the window object, to wait until the window object is closed. \n//Can I do that? My program may look like:\n\nclass MyWindow : public TWindow\n{\n\t...\n};\n\nvoid MyCallingProg(...) // Could the calling program be a C function?\n{\t...\n\tMyWindow *MyWinObj;\n\tMyWinObj = new MyWindow(...);\n\tGetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj);\n\tMyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL);\n\n\tnext statement; // I want the program to wait here until MyWinObj\n\t... // is closed so that I can get some data back from \n\t... // MyWinObj. I specified the window style to be \n\t... // WS_POPUPWINDOW, didn't help. Is there any other way \n\t... // to execute the window object so that the calling \n ... // program won't give up the control? Any help would \n} // be appreciated. Thanks. -- Jun\nTo talk to the Lord with PS/2 through MS-Windows\n\n\n\n",
"From: yatrou@INRS-Telecom.Uquebec.CA (Paul Yatrou)\nSubject: Re: Stop predicting\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada.\nLines: 22\n\nIn <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu> cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes:\n\n\n>It is really annoying to see all of these\n>predictions on the Net. Who really cares\n>who you think will win? Please stop with\n>the predictions, we all know the Caps are\n>going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.\n>\n>\n>David Kaupang\n>cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu\n\nYeah, but first they have to deal with the Devils,\nwho've had their number all year. I'm not saying\nthe Caps aren't a good team (they've been a thorn\non the Habs side for the past 10 years!!!), just\nthat they won't get past NJ...\n\nPaul Yatrou\nyatrou@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca\n(running my pool today, wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!!)\n",
'From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server)\nSubject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK\nLines: 37\n\n> I\'m concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they\'d\n>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in\n>ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam\n>and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in\n>1979 as " a covert political and ideological institution used by the\n>U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and\n>repression."\n> My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even\n>praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It\'s important that\n>Christians don\'t immediately accept every "Christian" organization as\n>automatically above reproach.\n> \n> mp\n\nGood heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two \nsmall children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive \nconditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their \ncould have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible \nstudies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding \nfaith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY* \nwhose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and \nunsuspecting masses? Imagine my surprise! I never would have thought it of \nhim.\n\nHow was this terrible deceit discovered? What exactly was the "cultural \ninterference" they were caught committing? Attempting to persuade the locals \nthat their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including \nhuman sacrifices in some cases) were vain? Destroying traditional lifestyles \nby introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes? Oh and by \nthe way, who did the denouncing?\n\nI am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was \nreally such a deceitful tool of the devil. Please provide me with specific \ndocumentation on this charge. There is some risk that I may not believe it \notherwise.\n\n- Mark\n',
'Subject: Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team\nFrom: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>\nReply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Canada Remote Systems\nLines: 158\n\n\nHere is a press release from the White House.\n\n Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team\nApril 19; Q&A Following\n To: National Desk\n Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100\n\n WASHINGTON, April 19 -- Following is a transcript\nof remarks by President Clinton to the University of Maine "Black\nBears" NCAA Division I hockey champions:\n\n The Rose Garden\n\n 9:58 A.M. EDT\n\n THE PRESIDENT: Good morning ladies and gentlemen. It\'s\nan honor for me to welcome the University of Maine Black Bears, the\nwinner of the NCAA Division I hockey national championship to the\nRose Garden and the White House. I understand from Senator Mitchell\nthat this is the first team from the University of Maine every to win\na national championship. And we\'re glad to have them here.\n\n I\'m inspired not only by how the team pulled together to\nwin the championship, but how the entire state pulled together to\ncheer them onto victory.\n\n Coming from a state that is also relatively small in\nsize, but also filled with pride and tradition and community, I can\nunderstand how the people of Maine must feel about the Black Bears.\nIn our state people are still talking about the time we won the\nOrange Bowl over the number one ranked football team, and that was\nback in 1978. I\'m sure that 15 years from now, the people of Maine\nwill as proud of this team as they are today.\n\n You know, in my state football is a slightly more\npopular sport than hockey. We don\'t have a lot of ice. (Laughter.)\nBut after spending three months getting banged around in this town, I\ncan understand a little more about hockey than I did before I came\nhere. Hockey is a tough game. It\'s a hard-hitting sport. It does\nhave one virtue though, there\'s a penalty for delay of game. I wish\nwe had that rule in the Senate. (Laughter.)\n\n In government as in hockey, leadership is important. In\nthe United States Senate, our team has a great captain, the Majority\nLeader and the senior Senator from Maine, George Mitchell; junior\nSenator -- Cohen looks so young, I can\'t imagine. (Laughter.) I\'m\nactually bitter about Senator Cohen because he looks so much younger\nthan me.\n\n On your hockey team, the captain Jim Montgomery has done\na great job. He scored the winning goal late in the championship\ngame, leading you to a come-from-behind victory -- something else I\nknow a little bit about.\n\n Sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams\nand in communities. I share the pride that Senator Mitchell and\nSenator Cohen and Congressman Andrews and all the people of Maine\nmust feel for the Black Bears who have shown us all how to play as a\nteam, how to bring out the best in one another, and how to come from\nbehind.\n\n I think it\'s important, as I ask young people from\naround America who have achieved outstanding things in working\ntogether, to come here to the White House to be recognized and\nappreciated by their country, to remember that those kinds of values\nand those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all\nof our lives.\n\n We now have another role model, and I\'m glad to have\nthem here today. (Applause.)\n\n (The President is presented with team jersey.)\n(Applause.)\n\n THE PRESIDENT: That\'s great. I love it. It\'s beautiful.\n(Applause.)\n\n (The President is presented with an autographed stick.)\n\n THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. That\'s great. (Applause.)\n\n * * * * * *\n\n Q Mr. President, did you authorize the move on Waco\nthis morning, sir?\n\n THE PRESIDENT: I was aware of it. I think the Attorney\nGeneral made the decision. And I think I should refer all questions\nto her and to the FBI.\n\n Q Did you have any instructions for her as to how it\nshould be executed?\n\n THE PRESIDENT: No, they made the tactical decisions.\nThat was their judgment, the FBI.\n\n Q Is this a raid?\n\n THE PRESIDENT: And I will -- I want to refer you to --\ntalk to the Attorney General and the FBI. I knew it was going to be\ndone, but the decisions were entirely theirs, all the tactical\ndecisions.\n\n Q What did you and Senator Mitchell talk about this\nmorning?\n\n Q Any chance for that stimulus package?\n\n THE PRESIDENT: Senator Mitchell ought to pay my\nquarter. (Laughter.) I was in there -- (laughter).\n\n SENATOR MITCHELL: You have to pay that quarter.\n\n THE PRESIDENT: I was ready. (Laughter.) Senator\nMitchell, he\'s worth a quarter any day.\n\n Q Any chance for your bill, sir?\n\n THE PRESIDENT: We talked about what was going to happen\nthis week in the Senate and about what other meetings we\'re going to\nhave for the rest of the week. We only had about five minutes to\ntalk. And we agreed we\'d get back together later, around noon, and\ntalk some more.\n\n Q Senator Dole said over the weekend that your\ncompromise is no compromise.\n\n THE PRESIDENT: Well, I know he did, but, look, Senator\nDole and a lot of the other Republicans now in the Senate voted for\nthe same kind of thing for Ronald Reagan in 1983; and our research\nindicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of 28\nemergency spending measures totalling over $100 billion when Reagan\nand Bush were President, in those administrations. And many of those\npurposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the American people\nback to work. I don\'t want to go back and revisit every one, but you\n\n\ncan do it. You can look at the research there. So this position\nthey\'re taking is not credible. We have a very tough five-year\ndeficit reduction plan. All these costs are covered during that time\nand then some. And the very people that are saying this has all got\nto be paid for don\'t have much of a history on which to base their\nposition. They\'ve got 12 years of vote for stimulus measures of this\nkind that had very little to with putting the American people back to\nwork. So I think we\'ve got a chance to work it out, and I\'m hopeful.\nWe\'ll see what happens today and tomorrow. I\'m feeling pretty good\nabout it.\n\n THE PRESS: Thank you\n\n END 10:10 A.M. EDT\n\n -30-\n\n--\nCanada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario\n416-629-7000/629-7044\n',
'From: slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois)\nSubject: Increasing the number of Serial ports\nReply-To: slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois)\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.\nLines: 15\n\nDoes anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which\nwill increase the number of serial ports available for use\nsimultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my\nMac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each\none of the independently.\n\nIf such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of\nserial devices I can use?\n\nAny information is appreciated.\n\nSteven Langlois\nslang@bnr.ca\n\n\n',
'From: curtiss@cs.UND.NoDak.Edu (Chuck Curtiss x3289)\nSubject: Athena Widgets\nOrganization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nWhere do I find the Athena Widgets that are needed for xtdm-2.4.8 \n\nThanks in advance\n\n\n',
"From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)\nSubject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL)\nArticle-I.D.: pilot.Apr.6.00.29.46.1993.26280\nOrganization: Somewhere in Hoboken\nLines: 13\n\nbriefly, since i'm off to sleep.\n\nmle's work pretty well for AA nd AAA players.\n\nplayers who are 22 and younger will tend to have explosions\n in their numbers, whether mMLE's or not, in the next 2 years...\n\nplayers who are 26 and OLDER, at those levels, generally have\n inflated MLE's.\n\nthey're about as reliable as having major league stats for a player.\n \n - bob gaj\n",
'Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off\nFrom: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)\n t> <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu><1pnuke$idn@access.digex.net> \n <SHAFER.93Apr4200752@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov><pgf.734062799@srl03.cacs.usl.edu>\nOrganization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.\nIn-Reply-To: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu\'s message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT\nLines: 64\n\nOn Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT, pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) said:\n\nPhil> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:\n\n>On 4 Apr 1993 20:31:10 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said:\n\n>Pat> In article <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu> Pat>\n>nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Question is can someone give me 10\n>examples of direct NASA/Space related >research that helped humanity\n>in general? It will be interesting to see..\n\n>Pat> TANG :-) Mylar I think. I think they also pushed Hi Tech Pat>\n>Composites for airframes. Look at Fly by Wire.\n\n>Swept wings--if you fly in airliners you\'ve reaped the benefits.\n\nPhil> Didn\'t one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think\nPhil> the germans did some work on these in WWII.\n\nThe NACA came up with them before World War II. NASA is directly\ndescended from the NACA, with space added in.\n\nYou\'ll notice that I didn\'t mention sweep wings even though the\nX-5, tested at what\'s now Dryden, had them. We did steal that one\ndirctly from the Germans. The difference is that swept wings don\'t\nchange their angle of sweep, sweep wings do. Perhaps the similarity\nof names has caused some confusion? 747s have swept wings, F-111s\nhave sweep wings.\n\n>Winglets. Area ruling. Digital fly by wire. Ride smoothing.\n\nPhil> A lot of this was also done by the military...\n\nAfter NASA aerodynamicists proposed them and NASA test teams\ndemonstrated them. Richard Whitcomb and R.T. Jones, at Langley\nResearch Center, were giants in the field.\n\nDryden was involved in the flight testing of winglets and area\nruling (in the 70s and 50s, respectively). It\'s true that we\nused military aircraft as the testbeds (KC-135 and YF-102) but\nthat had more to do with availability and need than with military\ninvolvement. The YF-102 was completely ours and the KC-135 was\nbailed to us. The Air Force, of course, was interested in our\nresults and supportive of our efforts.\n\nDryden flew the first digital fly by wire aircraft in the 70s. No\nmechnaical or analog backup, to show you how confident we were.\nGeneral Dynamics decided to make the F-16 flyby-wire when they saw how\nsuccessful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both\nfly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.)\n\nPhil> Egad! I\'m disagreeing with Mary Shafer! \n\nThe NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using\nthem for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other\nhand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance\nto fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base\ncan\'t do.\n\n\n--\nMary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA\nshafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don\'t speak for NASA\n "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot\n',
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>In another part of this thread, you\'ve been telling us that the\n>"goal" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive.\n\nThat\'s right. Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though. Perhaps\nour goal is one of self-actualization.\n\n>But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long\n>term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some \n>other species, either terrestrial or alien.\n\nNow you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This\nwas not part of the original premise.\n\n>Does that make it moral to do so?\n\nWhich type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it\nis not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn\'t\nadversely affect your own, I guess).\n\nkeith\n',
'From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 169\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n|> \n|> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n|> Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\n|> \n|> \n|> To: shaig@Think.COM\n|> \n|> Subject: Ten questions to Israelis\n|> \n|> Dear Shai,\n|> \n|> In the answer to my first question, concerning the nonexistence of\n|> Israeli nationality, your answer conflicts with information I have\n|> received from other quarters, according to which there are two\n|> distinct categories of classifying Israelis: Citizenship\n|> (Ezrahut) and Nationality (Le\'um). The former is used on passports\n|> etc, and the later for daily identification in Israeli society. I\n|> am told that people in Israel have to carry their ID cards at all\n|> times and present them at many public places, almost every day.\n|> These ID cards make clear who the holder is, a Jew or an Arab.\n|> You maintain that this mainly because of religious services\n|> provided. But do you really believe that this is the reason ?\n|> Could you provide evidence that this is the case and that it\n|> serves no other purpose ?\n\nA number of points. You are making assumptions about the manner\nin which the cards are used. True, by law, all residents, citizens,\nand tourists must carry a form of identification with them. For\ncitizens, the standard ID is the ID card. The purpose this serves\non a daily basis, wherein they are presented at public places,\nis for the purpose of identifying the bearer. This takes place\nin banks (cashing checks), post offices (registered mail and such), etc...\nQuite frankly, it was rare that I ever had to present my ID card\nfor such activities more than once per week. There is no law or\nrequirement that forces people to wave their ID cards in public.\nFurthermore, none of the services I outlined discriminate against\nthe bearer in any manner by having access to this information.\n\nThe only case that I can think of in which the Le\'um field might\nbe taken into account is during interaction with the police,\nbased upon the scenario. In general though, arab citizens are\nclearly recognizable, as are non-arabs. Your argument therefore\nbecomes moot unless you can provide an example of how this field\nis being used to discriminate against them officially.\n\n\n|> In the answer to my second questions, concerning the fact that\n|> Israel has no fixed borders, you state that Israel\'s borders were\n|> \'shaped and reshaped by both war and peace\'. According to what I\n|> read, the first Zionists in the beginning of the Century, had\n|> plans for the Jewish State to extend into what is Lebanon and into\n|> Transjordan (Jordan). I also read that it was the express wish of\n|> Ben-Gurion to not declare Israel\'s borders, when Israel was\n|> established, as this might restrict Israel\'s opportunities for\n|> later expansion. Israel often claims it right of existence on the\n|> fact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago or that God promised the\n|> land to them. But according to biblical sources, the area God\n|> promised would extend all the way to Iraq. And what were the\n|> borders in biblical times which Israel considers proper to use\n|> today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can\'t it declare what\n|> it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a\n|> base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one\n|> cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a\n|> number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982).\n\nI take issue with your assertions. I think that Arab countries\ndo know that they have nothing to fear from "Israeli expansionism".\nMilitarily, Israel is not capable of holding onto large tracts of\nland under occupation to a hostile, armed, and insurgent population for a\nsustained period of time. As is, the intifada is heavily taxing\nthe Israeli economy. Proof of this can be seen in the Israeli\nwithdrawal from Lebanon. Israeli troops pulled back from the\nAwali, and later from the Litani, in order to control the minimal\nstrip needed to keep towns out of range of Katyusha missile fire.\nPublic opinion in Israel has turned towards settling the intifada\nvia territorial concessions. The Israel public is sufferring from\nbattle fatigue of sorts and the gov\'t is aware of it.\n\nWith regards to borders, let me state the following. I may not agree\nwith the manner in which negotiations are being held, however the crux\nof the matter is that everyone either makes or refrains from stating\na starting position. The arab parties have called for total withdrawal\nand a return to pre-48 borders. If Israel were to state large borders,\nthe negotiations might never get under way. If Israel were to state\nsmaller borders, then the arab countries might try and force even smaller\nborders during the negotiations. I think that leaving the matter to be\nsettled by negotiations and peace treaties is infinitely more realistic\nand sensible.\n\n|> Your answer to my third question is typical of a Stalinist public\n|> official. I don\'t think your answer is honest. You refer me to\n|> Vanunu\'s revelations about Israel\'s nuclear arsenal without\n|> evaluating the truthfullness of his revelations. Now if he said\n|> the truth, then why should he been punished, and if he lied, why\n|> should he be punished? I would appreciate more honesty.\n\nYour statement is typical of the simple minded naivety of a "center for\npolicy research". Whether or not all of Vanunu\'s revelations were true has no\nbearing on the fact that some were. For disclosing "state secrets"\nafter having signed contracts and forms with the understanding that\nsaid secrets are not to be made public, one should be punished.\nAs to which were and which weren\'t, I am under no moral obligation\nto disclose that - quite the reverse in fact.\nHe was taken to court, tried, and found guilty. You may take issue\nwith a number of things but clearly you have no understanding of the\nconcept of "Secrets of state", something which every democratic govt\nhas.\n\n|> Somebody provided an answer to the fourth question, concerning\n|> \'hidden prisoners\' in Israeli prisons. He posted an article from\n|> Ma\'ariv documenting such cases. It seems that such prisoners do\n|> exist in Israel. What do you think about that ?\n\nI noticed that he was documenting the fact that such prisoners could exist\nmore than he documented the fact that they do exist. The CLU noted,\nwhich you evidently did not pay attention to, that they know of no such\nreports or cases. I am sorry to tell you but in a country of 4 mill,\nas tightly knit as Israel, even if the matter of the arrest was not\nmade public, within a relatively short time frame, most people would know\nabout it. My own feelings are that the matter of the arrest should be\nmade public unless a court order is issued allowing a delay of X hours.\nThis would be granted only if a judge could be convinced that an\nannouncement would cause irreparable harm to the ongoing investigation.\n\n|> You imply that my questions show bias and are formulated in such a\n|> way to \'cast aspersions upon Israel\'. Such terms have often been\n|> used by the Soviet Union against dissidents: They call the Soviet\n|> Union into disrepute. If my questions are not disturbing, they\n|> would not call forth such hysterical answers. My questions are\n|> clearly provocative but they are meant to seek facts. I would be\n|> very happy if you could convince me that what I am told about\n|> Israel were just fabrications, but alas you have failed to do so.\n|> I suspect that you fear the truth and an open and honest\n|> discussion. This is a sign of weakness, not of strength.\n\nWell, I am sorry to say that your questions are slanted. Such\nquestions are often termed "tabloid journalism" and are not\ndisturbing because they avoid any attempt at objectivity.\nSuch questions were often used during the McCarthy era as\na basis for the witch-hunts that took place then. To use\nyour own example, these questions might have been lifted\nfrom the format used by Stalinist prosecutors that were looking\nfor small bits of evidence that they could distort and portray\nas a larger and dirtier picture.\n\nMy answers were not any more "hysterical" than the questions\nthemselves. The problem is not that the q\'s were provocative,\nit was that they were selective in their fact seeking. You\nfall into the same category of those who seek "yes" "no" answers\nwhen the real answer is "of sorts".\nI suspect that as long as the answers to these questions is not an\nunequivocal NO, you would remain unsatified and choose to interprete\nthem as you see fit. A sign of strength is the ability to look\nYou remind me of those mistaken environmentalists who once advocated\nculling wolves because of the cruelty to deer, only to find that they\nhad broken the food chain and wreaked havoc upon the very environment\nthey sought to protect. The color blindness you exhibit is a true\nsign of weakness.\n\n|> I hope you will muster the courage to seek the full truth.\n\nDitto.\n\n-- \nShai Guday | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninja of the skies.\nCambridge, MA |\n',
"From: stjohn@math1.kaist.ac.kr (Ryou Seong Joon)\nSubject: WANTED: Multi-page GIF!!\nOrganization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3\nLines: 12\n\nHi!... \n\nI am searching for packages that could handle Multi-page GIF\nfiles... \n\nAre there any on some ftp servers?\n\nI'll appreciate one which works on PC (either on DOS or Windows 3.0/3.1).\nBut any package works on Unix will be OK..\n\nThanks in advance...\n",
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nkmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n\n>>They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They\n>>picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked\n>>in the dictionary to define the word. Isn\'t this sufficient?\n>We only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers \n>consider cruel and unusual punishment?\n\n>Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very \n>painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine.\n\nWell, most hangings are very quick and, I imagine, painless.\n\n>Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those \n>days ], etc. \n>All would be considered cruel under your definition.\n>All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers.\n\nAnd, hangings and firing squads are allowed today, too. And, if these\nthings were not considered cruel, then surely a medical execution\n(painless) would not be, either.\n\nkeith\n',
'From: cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung)\nSubject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first?\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: bashful.phy.duke.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary \nCoffman) writes:\n> >Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will\n> >be significant commerical activity on the Moon?\n> \n> Wishful thinking mostly.\n[Lots of stuff about how the commerical moonbase=fantasyland]\n\nThen what do you believe will finally motivate people to leave the \nearth? I\'m not trying to flame you. I just want to know where you \nstand.\n\n-Chuck\n---\n*******************************************************************\n\n\tChuck Chung\t\t\t\t(919) 660-2539 (O)\n\tDuke University Dept. of Physics\t(919) 684-1517 (H)\n\tDurham, N.C. 27706\t\t\tcchung@phy.duke.edu\n\t\n\t"If pro is the opposite of con, \n\t\tthen what is the opposite of progress?"\n\n*******************************************************************\n',
"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <C5I7J7.F7A@eis.calstate.edu>, mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:\n\n|> Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the\n|> Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the\n|> hostile occupiers in WWII.\n\nActually, this is incorrect. French resistance may have played some\npart in hindering the German war effort, however the crucial role was\nsupplied on D-Day.\n\n|> Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the\n|> Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the\n|> only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving\n|> out the US)\n\nInteresting statement. Especially when you consider that Lebanon\nhad claimed to have made progress in the peace talks, as well as\nIsrael. Of course, one of the prime obstacles to Israel's complete\nwithdrawal is the lack of governmental control that can be applied\nto the area as well as the large presence of Syrian forces which\nhave not been asked to withdraw as well.\n\n\n-- \nShai Guday | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninjas of the skies.\nCambridge, MA |\n",
'From: bluelobster+@cmu.edu (David O Hunt)\nSubject: Conversions\nOrganization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 13\n\nOn 12-Apr-93 in Environmentalism and paganism\nuser Michael Covington@aisun3 writes:\n>I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_\n>paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans.\n> \n>Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions.\n>Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality.\n\nAnd what of those of us who already have answers to their questions without\nturning to christianity (or, in my case, any religion)? Whay RIGHT do you\nhave to presume to lecture me about what I should believe??\n\nDavid Hunt\n',
'From: rivkin@watson.bms.com (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN)\nSubject: House for Sale in Mercerville, NJ\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 \nOrganization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute\nLines: 22\n\n\nI am posting this for a friend. Please do not respond to me. Thanks.\n\nHouse for Sale!!!!!\n16 Brockton Road, Mercerville, New Jersey\n\nDescription: Beautiful 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath cape cod located on a large \ntastefully landscaped corner with fenced in lot. This home features an eat-in \n\nkitchen with built-in corner china closet, a large living room, wall-to-wall \ncarpeting, hardwood floors, new ceramic tile foyer, and freshly painted \nneutral tone decor. This home includes new central air and heating, new roof, \nnew water heater, aluminum siding, storm windows and doors and Rockwell \ninsulation in all exterior walls. Also features a new partially finished \nbasement with an outside entrance and new Duro shed. Lots of storage space. \nConvenient to Rt. 295.\n\nExtras: Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer, Ceiling Fans, and Window Treatments\n\nCall for appointment at (609) 586-1946.\n\n*****Open House on Sunday, April 18th, 1:00 - 4:00. Call for Directions*****\n',
'From: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu (Tow Wang Hui)\nSubject: Floppy file copying\nArticle-I.D.: srvr1.1pstlnINN4r5\nReply-To: towwang@engin.umich.edu\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Michigan (CAEN)\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: statler.engin.umich.edu\nOriginator: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu\n\n\nA silly question: I frequently edit small files and need to make copies of them\non several floppy diskettes of the same size and format, but my computer is\nonly equipped with one 3.5" HD drive and one 5.25" HD drive; can\'t I do the\ncopying without swapping files temporarily to my hard disk (which is 99.9% full)\nusing standard MSDOS 5.0 commands? I know\ndiskcopy a: a:\nworks but for small selections of files,\nxcopy a:*.txt a:\ndoes not!\nMaybe I\'ll have to write my own file copy command in C, but the idea does not\namuse me.\nThanks for your help.\n\nFrancisco\n',
"From: chang hsu liu <cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>\nSubject: Upgrade from 286 to 486 help needed!!!\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 27\n\n\nGreetings,\n\n Please forgive me if this is FAQ. If there is source on this kind of info, \nplease let me know. I just got a 286 station (around 21*16.5*7 in dimension),\nand I am thinking about upgrade it to a 486 or 386.\n\n The station has a power supply, two floppy disk drives, and the big\ncase. I have SONY 1304 monitor, SyQuest drive (Mac), and maybe a cd-rom\nreader (Mac) for it. Here are the questions I have so far:\n1) Is there a 486 motherboard at this dimension that I could use the case?\n2) The original owener has the controller for floppy drive and hard disk\nremoved. Can I use them to control these devices under 486? How much do I\nhave to pay for a new controllers if the old ones won't work?\n3) How can I make SyQuest (SCSI) and cd-rom (SCSI) work on this station? \nI heard that there is a cheap sound board that has SCSI controller built-in?\nWhat's quality of this board? How much usually does a SCSI control cost?\nIs there any ftp sites that has SyQuest driver or cd-rom driver for the PC if\nI can have everything hooked up OK?4) What I want is a 486 motherboard, a sound board to make it a MPC- \nquality station. How much would it cost to do that? Is it worth the hussle\nthan just buy a new 486 station? BTW, I need to buy a keyboard for it too.\n\nAny input is welcome.\n\nThank you.\n\nPeter Liu\n",
'From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)\nSubject: Re: A Little Too Satanic\nNntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au\nOrganization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia\nLines: 33\n\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n\n>Nanci Ann Miller writes:\n\n>>My favorite reply to the "you are being too literal-minded" complaint is\n>>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT\n>>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and\n>>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right,\n>>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something\n>>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was\n>>originally inspired by God?\n\n>The "corrupted over and over" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the\n>current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text\n>has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This\n>shouldn\'t be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner\n>are likely to makes some pains to make good copies.\n>-- \nDo you honestly hold to that tripe Charley? For a start there are enough\ncurrent versions of the Bible to make comparisons to show that what you write\nabove is utter garbage. Witness JW, Mormon, Catholic, Anglican, and Greek\nOrthodox Bibles. But to really convince you I\'d have to take you to a good\nold library. In our local library we had a 1804 King James which I compared\nto a brand new, hot of God\'s tongue Good News Bible. Genesis was almost\nunrecognisable, many of the discrepencies between the four gospels had been\nedited from the Good News Bible. In fact the God of Good News was a much\nmore congenial fellow I must say. \n\nIf you like I\'ll get the 1804 King James out again and actually give you\nsome quotes. At least the headings haven\'t changed much.\n\nJeff.\n\n',
'From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)\nSubject: Re: BB Confessions.\nNntp-Posting-Host: supergas\nReply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 25\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.022218.17318@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:\n\n> \n>But the irony is that the Jewish population has no problem in electing\n>a leader who has CONFESSED to having an extra marrital affair.\n>\n>This is a first.\n>\n>AA.\n\nThe American people didn\'t have any problem with it too (Clinton). Actually I\nthink that it does not make any difference as long as they have the\nqualifications to become leaders. BTW in my political view I hope (and should be \nthe Arab hope too) that Binyamin Netanyahu will not be ellected as prime minister \nof Israel.\n\nNaftaly\n\n----\n\nNaftaly Stramer \t\t\t | Intergraph Electronics\nInternet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A \nVoice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301\n"Quality is everybody\'s job, and it\'s everybody\'s job to watch all that they can."\n',
'From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)\nSubject: Re: WFAN\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 92\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n I hope that this comes off as a somewhat unbiased assesment\nof WFAN and WIP(I go to school in Philadelphia, and I listen to\nboth stations on a consistant basis.) Now that the fan has Mike\nLupica on from 10 to noon, they have a person who can get the \nbig name guests for interviews, and not just of local importance\nHe did have Dave Cheketts and Fred Wilpon on his show, but he \nhad Bob Costas and Magic Johnson on too. \n Now here are my opinions of the two stations competing talent:\nMorning show:\n In my opinion, I think Imus is much better than Bruno, Cataldi, \nand Morganti, even though I would feel different if Morganti\nhad a better crew of people to work with. To me, WIP tries\nto copy Imus but make it all sports as a theme. In terms of\nsports, Imus lacks the blanketing of the airwaves, but he\ninterjects humor and politics into his show.\n10 AM to 12 Noon:\n I think Chuck Cooperstein and Lupica are equal in their\nabilities to host a radio show, but I think Chuck has the\nadvantage over Lupica in terms of dealing with the caller\nwho is asking about who the local team is going to draft\nin the sixth round. Lupica and the other hosts on FAN get\nbetter interview guests, but I heard the PD of WIP say that\nthey were not interested in interviews with celebrities unless\nit was a major story.\n I would consider this even because they are two different\nstyles of host.\n\n12 Noon to 2 PM:\n At this point, I would have to give a big advantage to \nJody McDonald over Len Berman because Lenny has only been\non for a couple of weeks. I just think JM has the ability\nto transcend the "homer" mentality of the Philadelphia fan\nbase. This is most evident when the IGGLES(Philadelphia \nspelling) play the Cowboys because JM is a huge Dallas fan.\nWhere else can you have people call up and predict a 93-0\nscore without the egging of the hosts(re:WIP morning \'guys\')\nI do agree that JM was great on the FAN weekend overnight\nand I miss hearing him over the current crop of rotating\nhosts. I feel that JM is the best sportstalk host on \neither station by a good margin. If you are in NY and\nyou can\'t get WIP, JM does fill in on the weekends sometimes.\n\n2PM to 4PM:\n This is the time when JM goes up against Francesa and \nRusso(fatso and froot loops) and I become the most divided\nin my loyalties. Mike and the dog are very entertaining,\nbut they often go an hour or so without calls or even 10\nto 20 minutes without talking about sports. MATD do\nget great guests and that is the basis for their show, so\nit is like the 10 to 12 debate. Another plus is the\nappearances by Mike and Chris on Imus in the Morning, which\nare often hilarious. \n\n4 PM to 7 PM:\n MATD go up against Fredericks and Missanelli. I like\nMike Missanelli but I just can\'t stomach Steve Fredericks. \nI know that SF came from Philly originally, but when he\nwas at the FAN, he was a NY homer as much as he is a Philly\nhomer now. I don\'t listen to WIP much after 4 PM unless there\nis a game on that night, but you will see later for the \nreason. That is why I give the advantage to FAN.\n\n7 PM to Midnight:\n S&M are on WIP until 8 and then it is the man who makes\nEli that calls MATD all the time seem like a novice on\ncharges of racism, G Cobb. This man is so grating on my\nnerves that if I listen to him for a few minutes I go\nnuts.(I know that is biased, but listen to his show)\nOn FAN, there is usually a game on, Knicks, Rangers, Mets\nJets, or St. John\'s basketball. If the game is on the\nwest coast, then it is usually Howie Rose. Of course\nI think dead air would be better than G Cobb on WIP, but\nWIP does air Sixers and Flyers games during the season.\n(If this is the sports station, why did they lose the\nIGGLES to WYSP(home of Howard Stern in Phil.))\nDuring the summer, it\nis all talk on WIP.\n\n\nOverall, I would have to give the advantage to WFAN, with\nthe exception of 10 to 12, and 2 to 4 where it is even, and\n12 to 2 where WIP has the advantage. \n\n\n\n Rich\n-- \n "You\'ve read the hat, now see the movie."\n -Imus in the morning \n "A blurb? You\'re a blurb!"\n -Seinfeld\n',
'From: shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson)\nSubject: Windows Errors and a bad memory\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 18\n\nHi. My last question for the year. I have a mail-order no-name notebook\nwith 4 meg ram. I never have problems with my huge ramdisk or when\nrunning desqview, but Win3.1 and W4W2.0 constantly crash on me, most\ncommonly citing a "memory parity error." The only thing I can do is TURN\nOFF and re-boot. My CMOS ticks off & counts all the memory every startup,\nand there is never a problem with this either.\n\nCould it be a bug in my Windows copy instead of the hardware? I remember\nhaving some disk error problems when installing it.\n\n\nIs there any change I could make to lessen the frequency or likelyhood of\nthis happening (I think win vs win /s produce different crashes, but both\ncrash frequently nonetheless)\n\nI know this is a pain, but PLEASE answer by EMAIL because my home account\ndoesn\'t have rn. And I will stop asking questions now. Thank you.\nChet Pager = chetter@ucthpx.uct.ac.za\n',
"From: blockley@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Adrian Blockley)\nSubject: integrated cct-type UM82C452L manufac by UMC.\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: essun1.murdoch.edu.au\n\nwhere can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)?\nWhat is name and address of `UMC'?\n\nDan\n\n--\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nAdrian Blockley ! I may say something profound \nEnvironmental science ! here one day. \nMurdoch University ! \nWestern Australia, 6153 ! \nblockley@essun1.murdoch.edu.au ! \nphone 09-360 2737 !\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith)\nSubject: WEIRD SCIENCE -- by L. Neil Smith\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523\nLines: 116\n\nPosted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith\n\n WEIRD SCIENCE\n\nEveryone knows how to tell when a politician is lying: his lips \nmove. What may not be equally obvious is that there are \npoliticians and then there are politicians -- and that the phrase \n"political science" is subject to more than one interpretation. \n\nYears ago, we heard how "scientists" were worried that a new Ice \nAge might be coming, and later on that "nuclear winter" -- smoke \nand dust thrown into the atmosphere by full-scale international \nunpleasantness -- was a possibility. Something like that may even \nhave killed the dinosaurs. \n\nWhat we didn\'t hear was that no actual data supported any of this, \nthat real-world events (the burning of Kuwaiti oil fields) tended \nto discredit it, that mostly it was propaganda meant to weaken \nvalues that made America the most successful culture in history, \nand that the dinosaurs probably died of something like the Plague \nwhen continents drifted together, exposing them to new germs. \n\nWe miss a lot like this, unless we listen closely. Prince William \nSound, site of the famous oil spill, and Mount St. Helen\'s weren\'t \nsupposed to recover from their respective disasters for at least \n100 years. That turned out not to be true, although you\'d never \nknow it from watching network nightly news or CNN. It doesn\'t fit \ntheir agenda to inform us that the earth is vast and resilient, and \nthat nature is rougher on herself than we could ever be. \n\nBut for once, the media aren\'t entirely to blame. As ignorant of \nscience as they are of everything, they trust "scientists" to \nunscrew the inscrutable. The trouble is that today\'s "scientists" \nhave agendas of their own. \n\nNobody in government, that wellspring of scientific wherewithal, is \ngoing to offer grants to an investigator who states truthfully that \nthere is no respectable evidence for "global warming". The money \nand power for bureaucrats and politicians lie in mass transit, and \nthey hate the automobile -- blamed as a major cause of the mythical \ncrisis -- as a source of privacy and freedom they find intolerable. \n\nThe same appears true of "acid rain", a deliberate hoax cooked up \nby the Environmental Protection Agency (which hates private \nindustrial capitalism almost as much as it does your car) and \nfoisted on real scientists through trickery which has depended on \nspecialists in different fields not talking to each other much. \n\nThe list goes on, always with a common, disreputable thread. \n"Ozone depletion", for which evidence is even more suspect and \ncontradictory than for acid rain or global warming, is no more than \na last, desperate attempt to indict private capitalism in an era \nwhen state central planning and the command economy have failed and \ncan only find this final, withered leg to teeter on. \n\nDecades of anti-nuclear alarmism, resting on foundations of myth \nand panic-mongering, have failed to erase the fact that nuclear \npower is the safest, cleanest, most efficient source of energy \nknown to mankind -- and more to the point, that the greater amount \nof energy there is available to any individual in society, the \nfreer that individual -- and his society -- become. \n\nHonest studies on the effects of individual gun ownership and \nself-defense on crime -- conducted by investigators who began as \nideological opponents to those concepts, but which show massive \nreductions in the latter to be the result of the former -- have \nbeen suppressed, most recently by the California state government. \n\nAnd what the media didn\'t say about recent EPA "discoveries" on the \neffect of "secondhand smoking" is that, although some harm to non-\nsmokers may have been detected, it was less (by an order or two of \nmagnitude) than that associated with frying bacon a couple times a \nweek or keeping a pet bird. It\'s enough to make you wonder whether \nthere was ever anything to the claim that smoking causes cancer. \n\nThat, of course, is the real threat represented by politically \ncorrect science. The world is a dangerous place. It would be nice \nto know the hazards. I\'ve never believed smoking to be a healthy \npractice, but, given a lack of credibility on the part of today\'s \nscience, how am I to decide what to do about it? Nicotine is \nhighly addictive, to that much I can attest from experience. Yet \nthe stress of quitting may be riskier than to continue. There \nisn\'t any way to tell, thanks to the corrupting influence of \ngovernment money on the scientific establishment. \n\nTwo centuries ago, the Founding Fathers spared us certain agonies \nto which every other nation in the world has been subject at one \ntime or another, by creating a legal barrier between politics and \nreligion. Each time some short-sighted individual or group has \ntried to lower the barrier (most recently over the issue of \nabortion), blood -- real human blood, hot and smoking in the street \n-- has wound up being shed. \n\nReal human blood is being shed over scientific issues, as people\'s \nlives are ruined through the loss, to agencies like the EPA, of \nlivelihood, or property it may have taken a lifetime to accumulate, \nto diseases caused by toxins associated with burning fossil fuels \nfor electrical power, or thanks to bans on things like cyclamates, \nwhen they die from the effects of obesity. \n\nWhat we need now, if we hope to survive as a civilization for two \nmore centuries, is another barrier, a Constitutional separation of \nstate and science -- including medicine. Knowledge is valuable; \nreal science won\'t languish for lack of funding. The money will \nsimply come from contributors unwilling to pay for lies, and \neveryone will benefit. \n\nL. Neil Smith\nAuthor: THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN, \nand (forthcoming) PALLAS\nLEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4\nLibertarian Second Amendment Caucus\nNRA Life Member\n\nMy opinions are, of course, my own.\n\n',
'From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price)\nSubject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nOrganization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1qm2hvINNseq@shelley.u.washington.edu>,\ntzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) wrote:\n> \n> > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have\n> > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating\n> > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption\n> > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices.\n> > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault...\n\nThat\'s fine, but would you name the "industy experts" so I can try to track\nthis down?\n\n> This doesn\'t sound right to me. Don\'t Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the\n> Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That\'s all handled by the\n> chip.\n\nYup. That\'s why I\'m kinda curious... most SCSI problems I\'ve encountered\nare due to cabling.\n\nnoah\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nnoah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design\n...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.\n',
'From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)\nSubject: Re: Assurance of Hell\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.01.19.1993.3755@geneva.rutgers.edu> REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes:\n>\n>2) If you haven\'t accepted Jesus are your Savior, you\'re taking an awful\n>chance. As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if\n>you are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die\n>and cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and\n>suffer eternal damnation. I don\'t mean to make fun at this point, but its like\n>Dirty Harry said, "You\'ve got to ask yourself, \'Do I feel lucky?\' Well do\n>you?" "A man\'s got to know his limitations." Don\'t be one of the "whosoever\n>wont\'s." \n\nThis is a ridiculous argument for being a Christian. So then, you might \nconsider switching from Christianity to another religion if you were \noffered an even more frightening description of another hell? How many\nChristians do think there are who view it strictly as an insurance policy?\nNot many I know; they believe in a message of love and compassion for \nothers. A faith based on fear of hell sounds like a dysfunctional \nrelationship with God. Like a child who cringes in fear of a parent\'s\nphysical violence. \n\nMany religions have concrete views of heaven and hell, with various\nthreats and persuasions regarding who will go where. Competition over\nwho can envison the worst hell can hardly nurture the idea of loving\nyour neighbor as yourself.\n\n>--Rex\n\n-- \ncomments, criticism welcome...\n-Ken\nalvin@ucsu.colorado.edu\n',
"From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger)\nSubject: Re: difference between VLB and ISA/EISA\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: myself\nLines: 24\n\nhurley@epcot.spdc.ti.com writes in article <1993Apr14.090534.6892@spdc.ti.com>:\n> \n> What about VLB and a 486dx50. Does the local bus still run at 33Mhz or does\n> it try to run at 50Mhz???\n> \n> \n> Brian\n> \n> \nHi,\nVLB is defined for 3 cards by 33MHz\nand 2 cards by 40MHz\n\nthere are designs with 50MHz and 2 VLB-Slots.\n(s. C't 9.92, 10.92, 11.92)\n\n50MHz and 2 Slots are realy difficult to design.\n\nBetter OSs (OS/2 & iX) are able to handle more than 16MB of DRAM,\nif you use EISA-Bus.\nHas someone experience with VLB ??\nI think of SCSI-VLB-Busmaster. The problem is the 16bit Floppy DMA\ncontroller, which is unable to reach more than 16MB.\nJoerg\n",
"From: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nReply-To: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan)\nOrganization: Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada\nLines: 21\n\nalee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n\n> \n> Greetings!\n> \n> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't\n> know the number of the line. And I don't want\n> to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n> \n> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can\n> use to find out the number to the line?\n> Thanks for any response.\n> Al\n> \n> \n\nDial 511 and it sound tell you the number.\n\n---\nskipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan)\nTraiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada\n",
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <keithley-220493104229@kip-37.apple.com> keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) writes:\n>Ah, there's the rub. And a catch-22 to boot. For the purposes of a\n>contest, you'll probably not compete if'n you can't afford the ride to get\n>there. And although lower priced delivery systems might be doable, without\n>demand its doubtful that anyone will develop a new system...\n\nYou're assuming that the low-cost delivery system has to be a separate\nproject. But why? If you are spending hundreds of millions of dollars\nin hopes of winning a billion-dollar prize, it is *cheaper* to develop\nyour own launch system, charging its entire development cost against\nyour contest entry, than to try to do it with existing launchers. No\nother demand is necessary.\n\n>> Any plan for doing\n>> sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting\n>> money in a big way.\n>\n>This depends on the how soon the new launch system comes on line. In other\n>words, perhaps a great deal of worthwhile technology (life support,\n>navigation, etc.) could be developed prior to a low cost launch system. \n>You wouldn't want to use the expensive stuff forever, but I'd hate to see\n>folks waiting to do anything until a low cost Mac, oops, I mean launch\n>system comes on line.\n\nYou're assuming that it's going to take a decade to build a new launch\nsystem. But why? The Saturn V took less than six years, depending on\nexactly when you date its start. Pegasus took about three from project\nstart to first flight. Before SDIO chickened out on orbital development,\nthe target date for an orbital DC-Y flight was 1996. If you really want\nspeed, consider that the first prototypes of the Thor missile (still in\nservice as the core of the Delta launcher) shipped to the USAF less\nthan 18 months after the development go-ahead.\n\nOne of the most pernicious myths in this whole business is the belief\nthat you can't build a launcher without taking ten years and spending\nbillions of dollars. It isn't true and never was.\n",
"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira)\nSubject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series)\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nDistribution: na\nLines: 28\n\nbratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes:\n\n>RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics.\n\nActually, they're pretty worthless, if you want to evaluate players\nwith stats. RBIs and Runs Scored should be banned; all they do is\nconfuse victims of mediot brainwashing like yourself. \n\n You\n>can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:\n\n>\tThe team that scores more runs wins the game!\n>\t---------------------------------------------\n\nUh, so?\n\nYou've just explained why we use OBP and SLG to evaluate players.\nPrecisely because the team that scores more runs wins the game.\nTraditional baseball stats have gotten way too far away from methods\nwhich enable fans to see who contributes to those runs scored - that's\nwhere OBP, SLG, Runs Created, Linear Weights, etc. come in. These\nsimplify matters so that we can more easily measure a player's\noffensive contribution to the team's runs scored.\n\nThank you for making our case. Have a nice day.\n\nGreg \n\n",
"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera)\nSubject: Hockey & The Hispanic community\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 6\nOriginator: icop@csa\n\n\n\tRelying on Canadian tourists and transplanted Northeasterners to\nsupport a team in Miami is crazy; espaecially when you have really deserving \ncities without a team such as San Diego & Milwaukee. I wish the Panthers or\nwhatever their name is well but if they can't sell to Hispanics, they're in\ndeep doo-doo. Already, there are rumors that Tampa may move to Milwaukee.\n",
'From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)\nSubject: 600RPM Floopy drives - UPDATE!\nOrganization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk\n\nMany thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have\nwhich is 3.5" 600RPM!!\n\nI now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B \ncomputer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm\n(tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow\nfor the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also\nchange the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed!\n\nHopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32 \nquid and upwards ....)\n\nThe drive is a JVC MDP series drive ...\n\n============================================================================= \n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ |\n _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Michael Brown\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ |\n _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ | mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk\n |\n=============================================================================\n Lost interest ?? It\'s so bad I\'ve lost apathy!\n=============================================================================\n\n\n',
"From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)\nSubject: Question about FastMicro\nOrganization: HRB Systems, Inc.\nLines: 6\n\nI thought I read that FastMicro was having some financial difficulties,\nis this true? I can't seem to find the posting about it and was wondering\nif someone can confirm this.\n\nThanks,\nEric Sebastian\n",
'From: cph@quake.sylmar.ca.us (charles hobbs)\nSubject: Color inks for Stylewriter\nOrganization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA\nLines: 9\n\nI know that Jet Inc makes refills for the Stylewriter and Deskwriter\nink jet cartridges in several colors....but are pre-filled cartridges\nin color available from anyone (or do I have to use-up one cartridge \nbefore I have a chance to print in color?)\n\nAlso, are inks in process colors (cyan, magenta, yellow) available\nto refill cartridges?\n\nThanks in advance....\n',
'From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)\nSubject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 8\n\nI had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being\ninterested in Mark Davis, so it doesn\'t surprise me that a\nteam had to give up something and cash to actually get him.\n\nLynch "MOB"\n\nps. anyone else draft this guy? i really did and got a \n loud cry of "when will you ever give up on this guy" :-)\n',
"From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis)\nSubject: Re: more on radiosity\nOrganization: National Technical University of Athens\nLines: 34\n\namann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) writes:\n\n>In article 66319@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) writes:\n>>\n>>\n>>In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write:\n>>|>\n>>|>\n>>|> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++.\n>>|> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute\n>>|> I finished it.\n>>|>\n>>|> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least)\n>>|> to finish it.\n\nPlease note that there are some radiosity packages in my Resource Listing\n(under the Subject 3: FTP list)\n\nGreetings,\nNick.\n--\nNick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece\nHOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr\n Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis\n Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578\n\nUSENET Editor of comp.graphics Resource Listing and soc.culture.greece FAQ\nNTUA/UA ACM Student Chapter Chair - we're organizing a small conference\n in Comp. Graphics, call if you're interested to participate.\n-- \nNick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece\nHOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr\n Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis\n Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578\n",
'From: gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Brent Kirkwood)\nSubject: Casio Digital Diary\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 15\n\nFor Sale : Casio Digital Diary Electronic Organizer (SF-4000)\n\t\t32k RAM\n\t\twill hold approxmiately 1500 names/phone numbers\n\t\tBig 6 line display\n\t\t200 Year Visible Calendar\n\t\tSchedule Function\n\t\tMemo Bank\n\t\tTelephone Name, Number, Address Storage\n\t\tCalculator\n\n\t\tCompact folding design fits in your pocket\n\nThe above for $25. It was originally purchased for over $100. Mail to\ngsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu if interested. Price does not include shipping.\n\n',
'From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)\nSubject: Re: Quick question\nOrganization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu\nIn-reply-to: ssave@ole.cdac.com\'s message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:14:57 GMT\n\nIn article <foo> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:\n How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside\n on an \'87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want\n to access its pins.\n\nWhy are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw?\n--\nDON\'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!\n',
'From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings)\nSubject: Re: More Cool BMP files??\nOrganization: RedRock Development\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 1021\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) writes:\n |Hi, everybody:\n | I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring\n |looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So,\n |I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file\n |I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for\n |some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files,\n |etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all.\n |\n |Anyway could me give me some help, please???\n |\n\n\tIn response to a "different" kinda wallpaper, here\'s what I\nuse. I think the original gif/whatever was called "not_real". The \nartist name and logo is in the lower right corner. You will need VGA\nI think, and I have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens. 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'From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)\nSubject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 44\n\nCharles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:\n: In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:\n\n: >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?\n\n: Of course! We riders have to stick together, you know...Besides,\n: he\'d stop for me.\n\n: Satan, by the way, rides a Vincent. So does God.\n\n: Jesus rides an RZ350, the Angels get Ariels, and the demons\n: all ride Matchless 500s.\n\n: I know, because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth.\n\n: Regards, Charles\n: DoD0.001\n: RZ350\n: -- \n: Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of\n: separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,\n: struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing\n: gourd. --Unknown net.person\n\n\nI think that the Vincent is the wrong sort of bike for Satan to ride.\nHonda have just brought out the CB1000 (look in BIKE Magazine) which\nlooks so evil that Satan would not hesitate to ride it. 17-hole DMs,\nLevi 501s and a black bomber jacket. I\'m not sure about the helmet,\noh, I know, one of those Darth Vader ones. There you go. Satan.\nAnybody seen him lately? Just a cruisin\'?\n\nGod would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.\nHe\'d wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.\n--\n\nNick (the Righteous Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford New (non-leaky) gearbox\n\nM\'Lud.\n \nNick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\\ "Teneo tuus intervallum"\nCuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca \'86 BMW K100RS "Kay"\nMaidenhead, The United Kingdom. \\ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002\n (-\n',
'From: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)\nSubject: how to number prongs of a chip?\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu\nOriginator: ren@flubber.cc.utexas.edu\n\nHow can one tell which prong of your basic chip is number 20? I realize there\nis a chunk of the chip missing so that one can orient it correctly. So \nusing that hole as a guide, how can I count the prongs of the chip to find\n#20? Please help.\n-- \n |\\ |\\\n | \\ | \\ Ren Hoek\n | \\ | \\\n | | | | internet: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n \\ /\n _\\ ^ _/ "It is not I who am crazy... It is I who am MAD!!!"\n',
'From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)\nSubject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?\nOrganization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada\nLines: 20\n\n\n> > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were:\n> > > \n> > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii\n> > > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii\n\n> > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. ...\n\n> Sorry, _perijoves_...I\'m not used to talking this language.\n\nThanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn\'t known to\nme before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American\nhas an article about the "Inconstant Cosmos", with a photo of Neil\nGehrels, project scientist for NASA\'s Compton Gamma Ray Observatory.\nSame person?\n-- \nMark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto\t"Information! ... We want information!"\nutzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com\t\t\t\t-- The Prisoner\n\nThis article is in the public domain.\n',
'From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org\nSubject: Space Clipper Launch Article\nX-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993\nLines: 40\n\nTo All -- I thought the net would find this amusing..\n \nFrom the March 1993 "Aero Vision" (The newsletter for the Employees\nof McDonnell Douglas Aerospace at Huntington Beach, California).\n \n SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY\n \n "On Monday, March 15 at noon, Quest Aerospace Education, Inc.\n launched two DC-Y Space Clippers in the mall near the cafeteria.\n The first rocket was launched by Dr. Bill Gaubatz, director and\n SSTO program manager, and the second by Air Force Captain Ed\n Spalding, who with Staff Sgt. Don Gisburne represents Air Force\n Space Command, which was requested by SDIO to assess the DC-X for\n potential military operational use. Both rocket launches were\n successful. The first floated to the ground between the cafeteria\n and Building 11, and the second landed on the roof of the\n cafeteria.\n \n Quest\'s Space Clipper is the first flying model rocket of the\n McDonnell Douglas DC-X. The 1/122nd semi-scale model of the\n McDonnell Douglas Delta Clipper has an estimated maximum altitude\n of 300 feet. The Space Clippers can be used in educational\n settings to teach mathematics and science, as well as social\n studies and other applications. The Space Clipper is available\n either in the $35 Space Clipper outfit, which includes everything\n needed for three launches, or as individual rockets for $12 each.\n Both are available through hobby shops or by calling 1-800-858-\n 7302."\n \nBy the way -- this is not an endorsement to buy the product nor is\nit an advertisement to buy the product. I make no claims about the\nproduct. This is posted for public information only (hey, I found\nit amusing...), and is merely a repeat of what was included in the\nMDSSC Huntington Beach Newsletter.\n \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor\n \n\n--- Maximus 2.01wb\n',
'From: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)\nSubject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.\nReply-To: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corp.\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <79557@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n|>Xref: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com misc.invest:40997 misc.forsale:88577\n|>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!uvo.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm\n|>From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)\n|>Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.forsale\n|>Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.\n|>Message-ID: <79557@cup.portal.com>\n|>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 08:53:51 PDT\n|>Organization: The Portal System (TM)\n|>References: <ACpDgohaWA@commed.msk.su>\n|>Lines: 4\n|>\n|>I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union. Among the cars, dinette\n|>sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,\n|>RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc. Don\'t they\n|>have garage sales in Russia? :-)\n|>\n\nIt really doesn\'t strike me as very funny. It is rather indicative of what\na crisis their economy is in. I imagine they are in desparate need of\nmarkets to sustain industries and people which are nolonger under central\ncontrol of the government.\n--\nJim Rosenkranz\trosen@kranz.enet.dec.com\n\n"Never try to teach a pig to sing: it can\'t be done, and it annoys the pig."\n',
'From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)\nSubject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism\nOrganization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.04.1993.28376@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n\n In article <Apr.12.03.44.17.1993.18833@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:\n\n >\tI realize I\'m entering this discussion rather late, but I do\n >have one question. Wasn\'t it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a\n >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior\n >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were "living in the\n >last days" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods\n >anyway?\n\n I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it.\n It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows\n when the second coming will take place.\n\nNor does it say that if you *do* find out when it will happen you\nshould rape everything in sight just before.\n',
"From: mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R. Haverstock)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: Educational Computing Network\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu\n\n>Well, you young fellers won't remember, but we used to have side vent\n>front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them. These were\n>separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors\n>that pivoted outward at the rear edge. Worked like a charm.\n \nYeah, I loved the vent windows on my 82 Escort (hell, the only thing I liked\nabout the car). One of the things I'd like to see brought back. Does\nanyone know if they're an option on the new Escorts?\n\nTRH\n",
'From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)\nSubject: Re: old vs. new testament\nOrganization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.\nLines: 39\n\nREXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes:\n\n>We can jillustrate this by pointing to the way God administers His judgment. \n>In the OT, sins were not forgiven, but rather covered up. In the age of the\n>Church not only are sins forgiven (taken away), but the power of SIN is put to\n>death. ...\n\nMy, this distinction seems quite arbitrary.\n\n Blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sin is covered.\n (Ps. 32:1).\n\nand quoted by the apostle Paul:\n\n Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God\n imputeth righteousness without works,\n Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins\n are covered.\n Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (Rom. 4:6-8)\n\nThe biblical perspective seems to be that foregiveness and covering are\nparallel/equivalent concepts in both testaments. The dispensational\ndistinction is unwarranted.\n\n> During the millenium, we read that sins are dealt with immediately\n>under the present (ie that Christ is present on earth) rulership of Christ.\n\nI\'m sure Rex has Scripture to back this up. You\'re suggesting Jesus is\ngoing to travel around dealing with individual violations of His law -- for\nmillions perhaps billions of people. Such activity for Moses the lawgiver\nwas considered unwise (cf. Ex. 18:13ff). It makes for interesting\nspeculation, though.\n\nI\'ll leave comments on the so-called "bema seat" vs. "throne" judgments to\nsomeone else. This also seems like more unnecessary divisions ala\ndispensationalism.\n\n--\nTom Albrecht\n',
"From: albert@olizei.aiva.lt (Albert Meltser)\nSubject: Re: How many israeli soldiers... What are you ``joking'' dark so much for?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Lithuanian-Israeli Joint Stock Company OLIZEI\nReply-To: albert@olizei.aiva.lt\nKeywords: Ani ohev et kolkhem -- 'Uhibbu kullukum -- I love you all\nLines: 32\n\n> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it\n> take to kill a 5 year old native child?\n>\n> A: Four\n>\n> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face,\n> and one writes up a false report.\n>\n> --\n> / .. / .\n> /_______/_/__________/_/_/ _< /____/\n> /___ / .. /____/\n>\n\n1. There is a similar idea here in ex-USSR about how many militioners it needs\n to place a new electric lamp. The answer is nine: one stays on a table and\n holds the lamp, four hold the table and turn it and yet four run around the\n table in opposite direction not to make the first feel bad (when being\n turned). Pitily, it lacks this kind of dark humour as Nick's msg does.\n2. To my mind the signature should be smth like:\n\n / _ __ / .\n /_______/_/_______________ /________ /____/\n /___ / _ /\n\n Albert\n\n-- \n _ .. I _ .. II\n ___I__/__)____I__I__(_) I____I ___I__II\n __) ' __) .\n\n",
'From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nArticle-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.063040.2177\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 63\n\nIn article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n>>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface\n>>isn\'t much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better\n>>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc.\n>\n>They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I\'ve been\n>they only light \'em at junctions.\n\nSorry, by "they" I meant autobahns, not US freeways.\n\n>\n>I won\'t even get into how much road markings vary between states and\n>localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are\n>essentially nonexistant.\n>\n>>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your\n>>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don\'t get me wrong, I love to\n>\n>>It would have to be quite severe. I don\'t recall any US freeway,\n>>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe\n>>at 130 in any decent, well damped car.\n>\n>I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary\n>dramatically, particularly between states. I can name a number of\n>interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be\n>very optimistic in any car.\n\nWell, I\'ve driven in every state but Alaska, and drive about 60k per year.\nI take long cross country trips any chance I get - its fun for me and I\ncan get reimbursment.\nMy job allows me to drive rather than fly. Not to labor the point, but\nI\'ve driven just about every freewayin the US, Germany, UK and France plus\nsome in Mexico, which was surpisingly good.\n\n>\n>I\'m not sure what you call "quite severe" in terms of road deviations\n>but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be\n>considered so. They\'re hard to take at 85mph. That\'s not the only\n>interstate I\'ve seen with such deviations, but it\'s one I drive\n>frequently.\n\nYes, but as a %age of the total freeway in the US? \nAll you have to do in this case is mark the hazard, advising people to\nslow to 85 or so. \n\n>\n>Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can\'t assume that everywhere\n>has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such\n\nTexas freeways are varied, sometimes a good surface. Mostly flat. But,\nI5 in CA is comparable and hilly.\n\n>wide-open spaces. It just ain\'t so.\n>\nGiven the absence of other traffic and car built for 130 (e.g. 535) \nmost US freeways are just fine. The problem is other road users and\ncops.\n\n>jim frost\n>jimf@centerline.com\n\nCraig\n',
'From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch)\nSubject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()?\nOrganization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes:\n> I just implemented this and it seems I can just about achieve the display\n> rates (20 400x400x8 frames / sec on IPX) that I get with Sunview, though\n> it\'s a bit "choppy" at times. Also, loading the data, making an XImage,\n> then XPut\'ing it into a pixmap is a bit cumbersome, so the animation is\n> slower to load than with Sunview. Is there a better way to load in the\n> data?\n> \n> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes:\n> > If you need speed, and your client can run on the same host as the X server,\n> > you should use the shared memory extension to the sample X server (MIT-SHM).\n> > xdpyinfo will tell you if your server has this extension. This is certainly\n> > available with the sample MIT X server running under SunOS.\n> > A word of warning: make sure your kernel is configured to support shared\n> > memory. And another word of warning: OpenWindows is slower than the MIT\n> > server.\n> > I have written an imaging tool (using XView for the GUI, by the way) which\n> > yields over 10 frames per second for 512*512*8 bit images, running on a Sparc\n> > IPC (half the cpu grunt of an IPX). This has proved quite sufficient for\n> > animations.\n> >\n> >\t\t\t\tRegards,\n> >\n> >\t\t\t\t\tRichard Gooch....\n> \n> Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu,\n> Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some\n> documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server-\n> resident pixmaps? I\'d also be interested in looking at the XView code\n> mentioned above...\n> \n> Thanks for the help so far. If I get something decent put together, I\'ll\n> definitely post it to the Net.\n> \n\n The MIT tapes come with documentation written by Keith Packard on the Shared\n Memory Extension to X. Look in: mit/doc/extensions/mit-shm.ms\n I found this invaluble. Unfortunately, there is a bit of work to set up the\n shared memory segments, making an XImage from it, etc. Also, there is an\n extension query to determine if the server supports it, but you still need to\n test if the server is running on the same host and if shared memory is enabled\n in the kernel. I have written layers of convience routines which make all this\n transparent.\n As for the XView code, well, I doubt that would be considered interesting.\n The interesting stuff is done in a C object library. People interested in this\n code can Email me.\n\n\t\t\t\tRegards,\n\n\t\t\t\t\tRichard Gooch,\n\t\t\t\t\trgooch@atnf.csiro.au\n',
'From: davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu (Dave Choweller)\nSubject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism\nOrganization: California State University, San Bernardino\nLines: 45\nNntp-Posting-Host: silicon.csci.csusb.edu\n\nIn article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes:\n>In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>|In article <1qi921$egl@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes:\n[stuff deleted...]\n>||> To the newsgroup at large, how about this for a deal: recognise that what \n>||> happened in former Communist Russia has as much bearing on the validity \n>||> of atheism as has the doings of sundry theists on the validity of their \n>||> theism. That\'s zip, nada, none. The fallacy is known as ad hominem, and \n>||> it\'s an old one. It should be in the Holy FAQ, in the Book of Constructing\n>||> a Logical Argument :-)\n>|\n>|Apart from not making a lot of sense, this is wrong. There\n>|is no "atheist creed" that taught any communist what to do "in\n>|the name of atheism". There clearly are theistic creeds and\n>|instructions on how to act for theists. They all madly\n>|conflict with one another, but that\'s another issue.\n>\n>Lack of instructions on how to act might also be evil.\n\nThat\'s like saying that, since mathematics includes no instructions on\nhow to act, it is evil. Atheism is not a moral system, so why should\nit speak of instructions on how to act? *Atheism is simply lack of\nbelief in God*.\n\n Plenty of theists\n>think so. So one could argue the case for "atheism causes whatever\n>I didn\'t like about the former USSR" with as much validity as "theism\n>causes genocide" - that is to say, no validity at all.\n\nI think the argument that a particular theist system causes genocide\ncan be made more convincingly than an argument that atheism causes genocide.\nThis is because theist systems contain instructions on how to act,\nand one or more of these can be shown to cause genocide. However, since\nthe atheist set of instructions is the null set, how can you show that\natheism causes genocide?\n--\nDavid Choweller (davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu)\n\nThere are scores of thousands of human insects who are\nready at a moment\'s notice to reveal the Will of God on\nevery possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw.\n-- \nThere are scores of thousands of human insects who are\nready at a moment\'s notice to reveal the Will of God on\nevery possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw.\n',
"From: mlf@unl.edu (mary flaglelee)\nSubject: Wanted:Singer Featherweight 221\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\nKeywords: Singer sewing machine\n\nI'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black \nsewing machine in black case).\n\nPlease contact:\n\nMary Flagle-Lee\nmlf@unlinfo.unl.edu\n",
'From: hsb@philabs.philips.com (Hemant S. Betrabet)\nSubject: Moving Sale\nOrganization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.\nDistribution: ny\nLines: 9\n\nFor Sale\n\nDining Table (wooden) with 6 chairs $ 125\nDining Table Scandinavian style $ 30\nSteel Desk - free\n\nIf interested, please call Hemant Betrabet 6431\n\n\n',
'From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Christ references in OT\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 11\n\nAdam, I just finished a study on this, not only looking at the\nprophecies themselves, but where they were fulfilled. While going only\nthrough the OT, I found 508 references. After starting to show their\nfulfillment, I found out that I had missed some, so needless to say I\ncannot post them here. However, the study I did I intend to publish (I\nam in the process of organizing and showing the fulfillments, then I\nwill be ready to write and send it to a publisher). With any luck\n(and/or free time) I should have it finally done sometime around\nSeptember (I hope).\n\nJoe Fisher\n',
'From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)\nSubject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?\nOrganization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada\nLines: 34\n\n> > Can these questions be answered for a previous\n> > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting?\n\n> Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files)\n> p(au) 3.424346\n> e 0.151899\n> i 1.0988\n> cap_omega(0) 243.5652\n> W(0) 231.1607\n> epoch 1977.04110\n\nThanks for the information!\n\nI assume p is the semi-major axis and e the eccentricity. The peri-\nhelion and aphelion are then given by p(1-e) and p(1+e), i.e., about\n2.90 and 3.95 AU respectively. For Jupiter, they are 4.95 and 5.45 AU.\nIf 1977 was after the temporary capture, this means that the comet\nended up in an orbit that comes no closer than 1 AU to Jupiter\'s --\nwhich I take to be a rough indication of how far from Jupiter it could\nget under Jupiter\'s influence.\n\n> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were:\n> \n> April 1973 83 jupiter radii\n> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii\n\nWhere 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the\n1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove.\nIs that the case for the 1973 figure as well?\n-- \nMark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto\t\t"Remember the Golgafrinchans"\nutzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com\t\t\t\t\t-- Pete Granger\n\nThis article is in the public domain.\n',
'Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful\nFrom: yuan1@scws7.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)\nDistribution: inet\nNntp-Posting-Host: scws7.harvard.edu\nLines: 37\n\nshirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) writes:\n\n>It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications\n>would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future\n>probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I can even imagine this\n>being found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to\n>until a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained.\n\n>Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out\n>to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And\n>archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists,\n>radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to\n>get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center\n>bombers made in the past year.\n\nImagine if this were available during the 1992 elections; instead of\nclumsily searching through the Clinton passport file, they could have \njust done a "voice-grep" (as someone stated earlier) on his telephone\nconversations for the last 10 years.\n\nI\'m not a lawyer and I don\'t even play one on TV, but intuitively there\'s\nsomething wrong with having one\'s words archived for possible future\nuse against you. This possibility frightens me more than any of the\ntalk about the Clipper Chip, right to cryptography, etc.\n\n>Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why\n>wouldn\'t it happen?\n\nI\'m afraid it just might.\n\n-nhy\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nNina H. Yuan "It\'s a miracle that curiosity\nHarvard College survives formal education."\nyuan1@husc.harvard.edu - Albert Einstein\n',
"From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 23\nReply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\n> In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu\n> wrote:\n>> \n>> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?!\n\n\tActually, this started as a great idea. Before steering-column\nlocks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car\nin reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse!\n\tAlso, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and\ndemands your keys at gunpoint. You hand them over, he gets in, and\nHAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY! At this, he will run away (or perhaps\nshoot you anyway %-}). I heard this actually happened somewhere...\n\tBtw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the\nignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs.\n\n%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\n___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n| | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and*\n| | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos\n|_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling\n | |\n | | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).\n |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?\n",
"From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)\nSubject: Re: MS-Windows graphics viewer?\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nLines: 7\n\nCheck out Image Pals v1.2 from U-Lead (until May, special $99 intro price,\n310-523-9393). It has the basic image processing tools for all major formats,\ndoes screen grabbing, and allows all your image files to be calalogged into\na thumbnail database. It's great!\n\n\nDon\n",
"From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)\nSubject: For Sale: TR-606 and Mirage Rack Mount Sampler\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.\nLines: 23\n\nFor Sale:\n\n Roland TR-606 Drum Machine\n Near Mint Condition (no scratches, fully operational).\n Sorry no Manuals.\n Asking $200 US + shipping\n\n Mirage Rack Mount Sampler\n Minor Scratches around rack ear screws\n with Advanced Sampling Option, 32 Disks\n and both manuals\n It's a long story, but I *may* have the Turtle Beach Vision, sample\n editing software for the IBM PC.\n Asking $400 US + shipping\n\nSend all e-mail requests to: barsz@bnr.ca\n\nRegards,\n--\nPeter A. Barszczewski ( *\n(barsz@bnr.ca) ) ~|~ spirituality through technology.\nBell-Northern Research, Ltd. ( |\nMontreal, Canada )\n",
'From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A.\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.182253.1449@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n\n>\tI don\'t know where you guys are from but in America\n>such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are\n>not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind\n>regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic\n>repressive ideals back to where you came from.\n\n\nHey tough guy, freedom necessitates responsibility, and\nno freedom is absolute. \nBTW, to anyone who defends Arafat, read on:\n\n"Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants, be they from the Soviet\nUnion, Ethiopia or anywhere else....I give you my instructions to\nuse violence against the immigrants. I willjail anyone who\nrefuses to do this."\n\t\t\t\tYassir Arafat, Al-Muharar, 4/10/90\n\nAt least he\'s not racist!\nJust anti-Jewish\n\n\nPete\n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>\nSubject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>\nX-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:15:17 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarm41a\nOrganization: BNR Ltd.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9\nLines: 49\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> Chris BeHanna,\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>\nwrites:\n>>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago\n>>in Cycle Canada.\n>>\n>>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous\n>>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get\n>>revenge.\n>>\n>>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop \n>>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no\n>>shoulder. Being a bright lad, he hit his bike\'s kill switch\n>>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards\n>>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the\n>>passing world.\n>>\n>>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two\n>>or three times to fill his exhaust canister\'s with volatile raw fuel.\n>>\n>>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition\n>>and send a 10\' flame in Sargeant Swell\'s direction.\n>>\n>>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada?\n>\n>\tAlthough I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that\n>the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system\n>he just destroyed. The owner\'s manual explicitly warns against such\n>behavior for exactly that reason: you can destroy your muflers that way.\n>\n>Later,\n>-- \n>Chris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee\'s Red Lady\n>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\n>Disclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\n>agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n\nYa, Fat Chance. The "offending" rider was a moto journalist. Those\nguys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and\nas such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes.\n\nOne way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of \none mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked.\n\nDave D.F.\n"It\'s true they say that money talks. When mine spoke it said\n\'Buy me a Drink!\'."\n',
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> goltz@mimi.UU.NET (James P. Goltz) writes:\n> Would this work? I can't see the EM radiation impelling very much\n>momentum (especially given the mass of the pusher plate), and it seems\n>to me you're going to get more momentum transfer throwing the bombs\n>out the back of the ship than you get from detonating them once\n>they're there.\n\nThe Orion concept as actually proposed (as opposed to the way it has been\nsomewhat misrepresented in some fiction) included wrapping a thick layer\nof reaction mass -- probably plastic of some sort -- around each bomb.\nThe bomb vaporizes the reaction mass, and it's that which transfers\nmomentum to the pusher plate.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
'From: skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K Train)\nSubject: Help me please!\nOrganization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.\nDistribution: net\nLines: 7\n\nI am a PhD student.\nCan I get the sci.crypt group posted directly to me???\nAlso I would like some feed-back on the encryption schemes that my research in\nfinite fields can be applied to. Any takers\nReply to gamv25@udcf.gla.ac.uk\nThanks yours\nGavin.\n',
'From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)\nSubject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight\nNntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se\nOrganization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 38\n\nmattb@hawk.samsung.com (Matt Brown) writes:\n[more about the Messier-Samuelsson incident]\n>While this is true, strictly speaking, it was the Rocksteady replicant who\n>initially used his stick illegally to measure Messier\'s ribcage. There is no\n>question in my mind, from seeing the replay in slo-mo, that Ulf-2000 was\n>coming at Messier with intent-to-"hasta la vista" in mind, and should have\n>been gone for that. \n>\n I agree with Rick that Ulf\'s cross check wasn\'t illegal. It was the kind\n of check you see a dozen times during a game without being called. Slo-mos\n sometimes have a tendency to make things look worse than they really are.\n Besides, if Messier can\'t take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen.\n\n>So Staffan, how is Mattias Timmander doing this year? And any impression\n>on Markus Czeriew??? (lost my roster list) on Hammerby? Does it look like\n>they will make it to the Eliteserien for next year? And then get stomped\n>if Markus goes to Boston?\n>\n Well Matt, Mattias Timmander hasn\'t been playing with the MoDo elite league\n team yet (just the MoDo junior team), so I predict he needs a few more years\n here before he can join the B\'s. I saw him play in the Swedish championship\n game for junior players this year, and he played very well, a physical game,\n but not the kind of rough stuff that Ulfie does (I suspect you would like to\n have a Ulf type-of-player on the B\'s team too? :)\n As for Mariusz Czerkawski, he has had a *great* season for Hammarby in\n division 1. He scored -if I remember correctly- 93 points this season,\n and then we have to keep in mind that a 50+ point season in Sweden is\n considered *very good* due to the limited number of games. Mariusz is\n Djurgarden property (he was just on loan to Hammarby), so he will play\n in Elitserien next season, unless the B\'s can get him of course.\n I would say that Mariusz has to be one of the most exciting player to\n watch in Swedish hockey this season.\n\n Staffan\n--\n ((\\\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \n \\\\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \n\\\\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey \n',
'From: ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Christian Owned Organization list\nOrganization: University of Arizona\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.025426.22532@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:\n>In article <47749@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> shopper@ucsd.edu writes:\n>>\n>>Does anyone have or know where I can find a list of christian-owned\n>>corporations and companies? One that I know of is WordPerfect.\n>\n>I believe that WordPerfect is actually owned by the Mormons.\nSorry, but Mormons aren\'t generally considered to be Christians.\n\n\n>--\n>=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC=\n>=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???=\n>="Do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade? A perfume that whispers, =\n>=\'please come back to me\'? I\'m looking for something in Green."-Laurie Morgan=\n',
"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg)\nSubject: podiatry School info?\nReply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet\nOrganization: University of Albany, SUNY\nLines: 21\n\nHello,\n\nI am planning on attending Podiatry School next year.\n\nI have narrowed my choices to the Pennsylvania College of Podiatric\nMedicine, in Philadelphia, or the California College of Podiatric\nMedicine in San Francisco. \n\nIf anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools, please\ntell me. I am having a hard time deciding which one to attend, and must\nmake a decision very soon. \n\nthank you, Larry\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nLive From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT...\n\nTonight's special guest:\nLawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany\naka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n",
"Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nFrom: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:\n>I propose\n>that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society\n>(and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are\n>linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot\n>provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis\n>seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it.\n>\n\n Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it. \n\n Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a\n simple premise. If they were, psychology would be a hard science\n with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics. \n\n Your premise may well be right. It is much more likely, however,\n that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as\n well as your need to validate your religious beliefs. Were I to\n pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the\n xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to \n fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing\n the members of our society.\n\n Your mileage obviously varies.\n\n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \n\nBob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM \n\nThey said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,\nand sank Manhattan out at sea.\n\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n",
'From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie)\nSubject: Re: Joe Robbie Stadium "NOT FOR BASEBALL"\nArticle-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210510.2943\nOrganization: Allegheny College\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU \n(Kevin Mundstock) writes:\n> Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture\n> of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA\n> Today? Any reason given for this?\n\n\n\nYes, and the answer is simple. To create a better feeling in the park, the \nseats will be folded back for baseball games where you saw those words.\n',
"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios)\nSubject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt\nOrganization: The Software Engineering Institute\nLines: 35\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.185059.27513@ncsu.edu>, fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) writes:\n|> \n|> \n|> \n|> > \n|> > What makes you think so? I'd like to understand your reasoning.\n|> > From my seat, the Caps don't really appear to believe that they can \n|> > defeat Pittsburgh. Therefore, they don't. I think their spirit was \n|> > broken in last year's playoffs and hasn't really recovered. I don't know \n|> > what the season series numbers were, but I believe that the Pens won it.\n|> > I think that either the Devils or the Islanders will cause more problems for\n|> \n|> \n|> What is this spirit crap? I'm a Caps fan and hope they win\n|> if they end up facing Pittsburgh,\n|> but I don't think the Caps lose to Pitt because of lack\n|> of spirit. Yes, the Penguins won the season series against the\n|> Caps. They've won eighteen games in a row for God's sake.\n|> Did you ever think the Penguins might be good, and that's\n|> why they win?\n\nI re-read what I wrote and it didn't say exactly what I thought. \n\nSure the Pens are a better team. They've got size and the best skill players\nin the league. They've also got the best clutch goaltending. They're the \nbest team in the league.\n\nBut, my point was the Caps have not played to their ability level vs the\nPens since last year's choke. And that's the mental problem (the one they've\nhad for a number of years) I tried to point out. Spirit, mental preparedness,\nwill to win, whatever you want to call it, it's missing when the Caps play the\nPens. Actually, you're right - it won't make any difference.\n\nGeorge\n",
"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nLines: 16\nNntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com\nOrganization: Cray Research Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nGerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote:\n: It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with\n: another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time\n: of the players involved. \n\n: To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd...\n\n: Gerald\n\nThank you for putting this in perspective!\n\n--\n_____________________________________________________________________________\nTom Huot \t\t\t \nhuot@cray.com \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n",
"From: sheryl@seas.gwu.edu (Sheryl Coppenger)\nSubject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects\nOrganization: George Washington University\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes:\n>>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications \n>>has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted \n>>sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to \n>>prevent asthma); Vancenase.\n>\n>Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.\n>It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,\n>and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly\n>doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause\n>drowsiness.\n>\n\nSo antihistamines can cause weight gain. NOW they tell me. :-)\nIs there any way to find out which do & which don't? My doctor\nobviously is asleep at the wheel.\n\nThe original poster mentioned fatigue. I had that too, but it was\nmostly due to the really bizarre dreams I was having -- I wasn't getting\nany rest. My doctor said that was a common reaction. If astemizole\ndoesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, how does it cause that side\neffect? Any ideas?\n\n-- \n\nSheryl Coppenger SEAS Computing Facility Staff\tsheryl@seas.gwu.edu\n\t\t The George Washington University\t(202) 994-6853 \n",
"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 36\n\n1) Output offset: Obtain the service manual for the oscilloscope\nand adjust the internal output offset contorl. There is virtual\ncertainty that there is an internal ajustment for the offset\ncontrol's zero detent position.\n\n2) Verify that the function generator is properly loaded. Many\ngenerators expect you to supply a 50 ohm load. Go to a hamfest\nflea market and scrounge around for a pass-through 50 ohm\nterminator that has a male and female BNC (or whatever) connector\non it. The calibrator on my Tektronix scope is designed to put out\n.4v into a 1 meg load, but .1 volt into a 50 ohm load. You may\nalso find that loading the output of the function generator also\nreduces the harmonic distortion.\n\nBuild an attenuator. You don't have to use (and I wouldn't want to\nuse) the input impedance of the device under test as part of the\nvoltage divider to drop the input test voltage. Consider this:\n\n------10K--------+---------? ohm ----\n |\nGen 50 ohm D.U.T.\n(loaded) |\n-----------------+-------------------\n\nThink about the ratio of 50/10K and then think about the accuracy\nto which you can read voltages on your oscilloscope. You can\nvirtually discount the loading of the D.U.T. Also you have the\nmillivolt test generator you want.\n\nGood luck,\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED\n",
'From: freed@nss.org (Bev Freed)\nSubject: FAQs\nOrganization: The NSS BBS, Pittsburgh PA (412) 366-5208\nLines: 8\n\nI was wondering if the FAQ files could be posted quarterly rather than monthly. Every 28-30 days, I get this bloated feeling.\n \n\n\n-- \nBev Freed - via FidoNet node 1:129/104\nUUCP: ...!pitt!nss!freed\nINTERNET: freed@nss.org\n',
'From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra)\nSubject: (new) reason for Clipper alg\'m secrecy\nReply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 38\nNntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu\n\n[Apologies for not posting to alt.clipper, or whatever, but it seems it\nmay not be in the newsfeed here.]\n\nThere may be another reason (good from NSA\'s point of view, horrible\nfrom everyone else\'s) why the algorithm/chip design might be secret.\n\nFirst, note that the "experts" will only look at "details", and of just \nthe algorithm:\n\n In addition, respected experts from outside the\n government will be offered access to the confidential details of\n the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report\n their findings.\n\nWhy not the chip design? Well, here\'s the possiblity: in addition to\nencryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier\nto analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might\neffectively be part of a massively parallel computer for "voice-\ngrepping" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons\nthereof).\n\nI wouldn\'t put it past the NSA. Think how much easier it would make life\nfor them.\n\nAnd if this is indeed the case, think of the possible public outcry should\nit become widely known. Thus the secrecy.\n\nIt might be a good idea to have experts in DSP, voice recognition, and\nAI conversation-understanding to be on that panel, and insist they be\ngiven (authenticatable) design specs and implementation documentation.\n\n+========================================================================+\n| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu |\n| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu |\n| |\n| Look out, kid, it\'s something that you did. |\n| God knows when, but you\'re doin\' it again ... |\n+========================================================================+\n',
'From: creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps)\nSubject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 72\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu> jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes:\n>Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually\n>on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking\n>the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say\n>"Crucify him" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we\'d do it\n>again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were "invited" to sit\n>during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian "invitation", \n\n On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were "invited" to take the role of\nJesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the\nliturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so\ntherefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but\nto no avail.\n\n>musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the\n>liturgy and since no one knows what\'s happening, the new things have to be\n>explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we\'re just\n>sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about\n>to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay\n>"experts", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a\n>bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that\'s just a fact of\n>bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for\n>people to be aware of the Lord\'s presence.\n\n As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem\nis certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of\ninnovations. The priests don\'t seem even to _want_ to make any\ndecisions of their own in many cases. I guess it\'s easier to "try\nsomething new" than it is to refuse to allow it.\n\n At our parish on Holy Thursday, instead of the priests washing feet\n("Who wants to get around people\'s feet," according to one of our\npriests) the congregation was "invited" to come up and help wash one\nanother\'s hands.\n\n The symbolism of this action distressed me, and again I refused to\nparticipate. I thought that if we were to have to come up with\nrubrics for this liturgical action (i.e. "Body of Christ" -- "Amen"\nfor receiving Communion), that they could be "I am not responsible for\nthe blood of this man."\n\n Also for part of the Eucharistic Prayer ("Blessed are You, God of\nall creation...") was substituted some text read by a lay couple. The\npriest certainly should not have given this part of the Mass over to\nothers, and I was so disturbed that I declined to receive Communion\nthat night (we aren\'t required to anyway -- I instead offered up\nprayers for our priests and parish).\n\n>So we\'ve been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass\n>going down? I don\'t mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or\n>Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware \n>of God\'s presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should \n>just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational\n>participation in Catholic Masses lately?\n\n The quality of the Mass has not changed. Again, if it were to be\ncelebrated according to the rubrics set down by the Church, it would\nstill be "liturgically" beautiful. The problem comes about from\npeople trying to be "creative" who are not.\n\n I think the answer to your question on participation could be that\ngiven by Father Peter Stravinskas in answer to the question posed by\nthe title of Thomas Day\'s _Why Catholics Can\'t Sing_. "They don\'t\nwant to" because of all this nonsense.\n\n By the way, for any non-Catholics reading this, the problem does\nnot reflect bad liturgy by the Catholic Church, but by those who are\ndisobedient to the Church in changing it on their own "authority."\n\n-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\nSteve Creps, Indiana University\ncreps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu\n',
'From: nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland)\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\nragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes:\n\n>It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for\n>an officer to actually see the radar detector. Not any more! Many\n>law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors. \n>Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF\n>from the radar detector itself. My first reaction was "no way!" \n>But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police\n>are writing citations right and left for people using radar\n>detectors. One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had\n>found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one,\n>and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was\n>there. This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest.\n\nFrom what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive\ndevice much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking\nup that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would\nbe no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of\ndetecting whether some one had a radio in their car. \n\nNeal Howland\nnhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu \n\n',
"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nNntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <sandvik-160493205355@sandvik-kent.apple.com>, \nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes...\n\n>(stephen) wrote:\n>> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) quotes ML...\n\n>> >> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied\n>> >> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We\n>> >> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable\n>> >> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our\n>> >> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation\n>> >> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. \n>> >\n>> >Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm.\n>> \n>> Which Jews KS? \n> \n>Most religious Jews with the exception of the Messianic ones and \n>atheists/agnostics, Malcolm.\n\nKS, I see you're wanting Malcolm's response. Allow me one last inter-\njection then please:\n\nDistinguishing among the religious Jews, you've excepted the Messianic\nfor obvious reasons. Specifically, are you saying it's these religious \nJews, who trace their lineage back to Abraham by blood and orthodoxy, \nrather than by faith, who won't agree? Orthodox Jews? \n\nAs to the a/a (if I understand your direction), the issue remains \nunproven I suspect, considering how atheists and agnostics so often \nlook to reason. Atheist, it is reasonable to conclude will not agree.\nFor agnostics, a poll seems in order. Who knows? Myself, I'm not so \nsure the atheists can be counted out. \n\nFor the orthodox, I wonder how many would follow Moses, or Abraham,\nor David in accepting God's Word? Is the particular covenant to which\none adheres, more important than God promisimg? I reckon for many it\ndepends on the ongoing dialogue. Under these considerations, you might \nunderstand why I think it's premature to assert who will and won't agree.\n\n |\n-- J --\n |\n | stephen\n\n",
'From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)\nSubject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times\nOrganization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aladin.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) asked:\n|> \n|> Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used\n|> to compute sunrise and sunset times.\n|> \n|> I would appreciate any advice.\n|> \n|> Joe Wetstein\n|> jpw@coe.drexel.edu\n\nTo compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written\nby Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu\n\nUwe Bonnes bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenian admission to the crime of Turkish Genocide.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 34\n\nSource: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill\nCompany, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). \n(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 \n million Muslim people)\n\n\np. 19 (first paragraph)\n\n"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of\n ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same \n fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."\n\np. 130 (third paragraph)\n\n"The city was a scene of confusion and terror. During the early days of \n the war, when the Russian troops invaded Turkey, large numbers of the \n Turkish population abandoned their homes and fled before the Russian \n advance."\n\np. 181 (first paragraph)\n\n"The Tartar villages were in ruins."\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)\nSubject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nArticle-I.D.: access.1pstuo$k4n\nOrganization: Cadkey, Inc.\nLines: 53\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\n\nBryan Smale (smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca) writes:\n> I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest\n> surprises, and biggest disappointments this year.\n>\n> -----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Team Biggest Biggest\n> Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:\n> -----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau\n\nMy votes (FWIW):\n\nTeam MVP: Pat Verbeek. He fans on 25% of goal mouth feeds, but he still has \n36 goals after a terrible start and has been an examplary (sp?) team captain\nthroughout a tough couple of seasons. Honorable mention: Nick Kypreos and\nMark Janssens. Probably more appropriate in the unsung heroes category than\nMVP, but Kypreos (17 goals, 320+ PIM) has been the hardest working player on\nthe team and Janssens is underrated as a defensive center and checker. I guess\nI place a greater emphasis on hard work than skill when determining value.\n\nBiggest surprise: Geoff Sanderson. He had 13 goals and 31 points last season\nas a center, then moved to left wing and has so far put up 45 goals and 80+\npoints. He now has a new Whaler record 21 power play goals, most all coming\nfrom the right wing faceoff circle, his garden spot. Honorable mention: Andrew\nCassels and Terry Yake. The kiddie quartet of Sanderson, Poulin, Nylander, and\nPetrovicky have been attracting the most attention, but Cassels is just 23\nand will score close to 90 points this season. He has quite nicely assumed the\nrole of number one center on the team and works very well with Sanderson. Yake\nbounced around the minors for a number of seasons but is still 24 and will put\nup about 20 goals and 50 points this season. Yake, like Sanderson, started\nperforming better offensively once he was converted from center to wing, \nalthough lefty Sanderson went to the left wing and righty Yake went to the\nright side.\n\nBiggest disappointment: Hands down, John Cullen. Cullen had a disasterous 77\npoint season last year, his first full season after The Trade. Cullen started\nthe season off of summer back surgery, and fell flat on his face (appropriate,\nsince he spent all of his Whaler career flat on his ass, and whining about it).\nCullen scored just 9 point on 19 games, was a clubhouse malcontent, commanded\nthe powerplay to a 9% success percentage (>21% with Sanderson), and sulked his\nway out of town. Worst of all, his 4 year, $4M contract had three years left\nto run, so no one would give up any more than the 2nd round draft pick the \nMaple Leafs offered to Hartford. Honorable mention: Steve Konroyd, also subpar\nafter signing a 3 year, $2.1M contract; Eric Weinrich, who showed flashes of\ncompetence, but overall has played poorly; Jim McKenzie, who was a much better\nhockey player two seasons ago than he is now; and Frank Pietrangelo, who only\nseemed to play well when Sean Burke was out for an extended period and he got\nto make a number of starts in a row.\n\n-SG (a real live Hartford Whalers season ticket holder)\n-steveg@cadkey.com\n",
'From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It\'s the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue\nNntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO\nLines: 79\n\nIn article <1ql7tuINN8j8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) writes:\n>\n>Here\'s my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser\'s list\n>\n>8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work,\n> to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems\n> that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more\n> efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to\n> cost more money and I\'m sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about\n> taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair\n> share!\n\nSome people pay shares that are more "fair" than others, and will continue\nto do so, even with the presence of President Clinton. Until the rich \nelite *hurt* from taxes and shower me with their blood dripping from the\nwound of the tax dagger, I will scream and yell. Because, taxes are \nkilling the poor and middle-class, and I\'m tired of the wealthy getting\na free ride in this country. Sure, they pay a lot of taxes, but I want\nthem to SHARE MY PAIN!!\n\nAnd, not even Slick Willy is *that* fair, is he, seeing that he and his\nwife qualify as one of those wealthy people I was talking about? [They\'re\non the lower end of "wealthy", but "wealthy" they are.]\n\n>7. I can\'t believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give\n> up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you\'re\n> willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an\n> enemy which at best doesn\'t affect us and at worst really should be our\n> friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn\'t pay taxes!\n\nYah, I think the draft for Vietnam was a sack of shit. But, do we get\nto pick and choose which laws we obey, Mr. Chaudhary? If so, shall we\nset up a "you follow the laws you like, and I\'ll follow the laws I \nlike" arrangement?\n\n>6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60\'s-esque touch!\n\nI never thought much of beaded curtains.\n \nNow beaded seat-covers, on the other hand....\n\n>5. [Health care is a human right--deleted]\n\nI didn\'t think I was going to respond to this, but I changed my mind.\n\nTell me, why do you think health care is a human right? \n\nThis isn\'t a flame or anything, I just wonder. Next thing you know, \nfree public transportation will be a human right. Maybe membership\nat prestigious health spas?\n\n[Sorry to grease the hill on ya there....]\n\n>4. Make love, not War!\n\nBe sure and wrap that wanker when you go spreadin\' that free love stuff\naround. (Or, after the FDA gets its thumb out of its ass, use that neat\nnew "Reality" femi-condom.)\n\n>3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist\n> at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity\n> to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force\n> them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly \n> have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender\n> discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of\n> the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it.\n\nSo do I. Amen. And all that.\n\n>1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!!\n\nWhat the hell is an "acadamia" anyway? Is that like a macadamia? \n\ncpk\n-- \nIt\'s been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is?\n\nSlick Willy\'s already got his hand in my pocket. I\'m just afraid\nof what he might grab hold of.\n',
'From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU)\nSubject: Re: ATM\nOrganization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc.\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:\n>\n>I\'ve been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use\n>ATManager. Lately, all the packages I\'ve been buying have all\n>included ATManager as a "bonus"\n\nAdobe has been doing this for years.\n\n>I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw.\n>Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff\n>types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a\n>decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4\n>Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the "Resolution Enhancement \n>Technology" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. \n>So good that there isn\'t any diff whether or not ATManager is turned\n>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these\n>better printer technologies ... and TT?\n\nThere are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you\nhave a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is\na waste of system resources.\n\nPersonally, I use both.\n\n-- \nMike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com\nMitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP\n',
"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo)\nSubject: Quadra Clock Chipping Works\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\nSummary: Quadra Clock Chip Swap Success\nKeywords: Quadra,clock,accelerate\n\nAfter reading reports from Germany of success in accelerating a Quadra\nor Centris simply by changing the clock oscillator, I decided to test the\nclaim. I pulled out my Variable Speed Overdrive and the motherboard's\n50 mhz clock chip. I put a socket in the clock's place and inserted a\n64 mhz TTL clock oscillator I had left over from working on some SI's.\nI can't believe it. It actually works. I'm not getting SCSI timing errors\neither. This is only after a short run time but I'll keep posting results.\nDid I spend all that money on the VSO for nothing? If this keeps working,\nthe lack of a double boot in itself will be worth the effort.\n\nGuy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>\n",
'From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 36\n\nIn <1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes:\n\n>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, \n>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other \n\nThe Leafs have always been kind of comical. During the second Imlach\nera, when Darryl Sittler was called a "cancer on the team", he tore the\nC off his sweater and for a while the Leafs didn\'t have a Captain.\n\nSittler eventually ended up in Philly and he was promised the Philly\ncaptaincy by new GM (and Sittler\'s friend) Bobby Clarke. Instead,\nSittler got traded to Detroit.\n\nRick Vaive was the Leaf Captain for awhile but he slept in one day and\nthey took the captaincy away from him. Then he was traded to Chicago.\n\nDuring Doug Carpenter\'s tenure as Leaf coach, in an attempt to kiss\nthe ass of a sulking Gary Leeman, the Leafs took the A away from Brad\nMarsh to give to Leeman. Leeman wouldn\'t take it and when they tried\nto give it back to Marsh, he wouldn\'t take it neither.\n\nThe best story I remember about a captain concerned Mel Bridgman, late\nof the Senators. While he was in Philadelphia, Bobby Clarke, arguably\none of the great captains of all time, was bumped up to the status of\nplaying coach and so he had to relinquish the captaincy. Bridgman be-\ncame the new captain. A reporter asked a Flyer what Bridgman did as a\ncaptain since Clarke was still the undisputed leader amongst the\nplayers. The reporter was told that Bridgman was in charge of making\nsure that the soap dispensers in the showers were always full.\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n "So many morons...\nrm ...and so little time." \n',
'From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps)\nSubject: Re: Is it really apples to apples? (Lawful vs. unlawful use of guns)\nOriginator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com\nReply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps)\nOrganization: IBM Kingston NY\nLines: 51\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.092618.22936@husc3.harvard.edu>,\nkim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:\n|> I have been convinced of the right of AMericans to an effective \n|> self-defense, but something strikes me as odd among the\n|> pro-RKBA arguments presented here.\n|> \n|> The numbers comparing hundreds of thousands (indeed, even a\n|> million) of instances of law abiding citizens deterring\n|> criminal activity, seem valid to me. Likewise the number\n|> of gun-caused homicides each year (about 11,000/year?). However,\n|> it is surprising that the "Evil AntiGun Empire " (Darth Vader\n|> breathing sound effect here) never tries to compare\n|> "All legitimate gun defenses" vs. "All gun crimes." Instead, \n|> it\'s always "All legitimate gun defenses," which includes\n|> cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed, and\n|> cases in which the criminal is not here, vs. just \n|> criminal gun homicides, which only includes case sin which\n|> the victim died.\n|> \n|> Why is this? Of course, it wouldn\'t be unreasonable to say\n|> that in each crime already measured (involving guns), the\n|> consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that\n|> a gun-based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn\n|> into a gun-basd robbery+homicide. Whereas in the legitimate\n|> gun defenses, one may assume that all those criminals who\n|> were deterred would have committed more crime or more\n|> serious crimes had they not been deterred.\n\nI think its an attempt to show lives_saved v lives_lost; all other\n gun related crimes don\'t result in lives_lost. On the other hand,\n its impossible to know how many of the successful self defenses \n prevented lives from being lost. In other words, the lives_lost\n is pretty clear [its the homicide and non negligent manslaughter\n number], while the lives saved is some percentage of the successful \n self defenses. Clearly that percentage doesn\'t have to be real \n high to show that lives_saved > lives_lost.\n\nAs a semi-related point, check out Kleck\'s "Point Blank". I believe\n it goes into some related areas; it also is well written and informative. \n\n|> \n|> -Case Kim\n|> \n|> kim39@husc.harvard.edu\n|> \n\n-- \nMichael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com ..\n (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy \n (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. \n',
"From: rjf@lzsc.lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343)\nSubject: Re: centrifuge\nOrganization: AT&T Middletown N.J. U.S.A.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\nMr. Blue (car@access.digex.com) wrote:\n: Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is\n: used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes\n: around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that?\n\n\nPurely recreational. They get bored sitting in that\nrack all the time.\n\n\n\n--\nbob.\t\t\t\t\t | I only smile when I lie,\nYou can learn more in a bar\t\t | And I'll tell you why...\n\tthan you can in a lawyer's office. |\nWere these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.\n",
'From: dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nFrank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:\n: In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes:\n: The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think\n: your question should be, "...losing sleep over a million expert\n: riflemen?" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but\n: a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area, \n: where tanks\' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a\n: real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is "is it worth \n: the trouble?" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely\n: the answer would be "no." Certainly a million riflemen (as\n: opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the\n: best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes\n: invasions more difficult.\n\n Hitler invaded Yugoslavia and occupied it. The mountainous portions were\nsometimes patrolled by the wermacht, but they were certainly not in control.\nThere were two major native factions opposing each other and the germans,\nIt was basically useless to the germans (no production) and a drain on their\nresources (a armored division and a couple of infantry divisions) Which if\nmy memory is correct, were kind of stuck there up until the allies accepted\ntheir surrender. (I think that the allies also let the germans keep some \nof their weapons for self defense unitil they were able to get to the \nlowlands, away from the resistance factions. This is from memory, and \nit is unreliable. \n\n--Dale Farmer\n\n',
'From: weisberg@ee.rochester.edu (Jeff Weisberg)\nSubject: Problem: R5 server hangs on Sun3\nSummary: annoying problem, server hangs\nKeywords: X11R5pl22, sun3, bw2, 4.1.1, gcc-2.3.3, Xsun, Vernal Equinox\nOrganization: Univ. of Rochester, Dept. of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 19\n\n\nI recently compiled the X11R5pl22 sources using gcc-2.3.3 on\na Sun3/80. Everything seems to work fine. Usually. But at\nseemingly random times the server will just hang. I will\nclick the mouse somewhere (never happens while my back is turned),\nand without warning, it will freeze there, requiring the server\nto be killed. Sometimes it will run fine for weeks, sometimes\nonly for minutes.\n\n(Os: 4.1.1; frame buffer: bw2).\n\nHas anyone seen this before, any ideas? (anything at all?)\n\nthanks,\n\t--jeff\n\n---\nJeff Weisberg | weisberg@ee.rochester.edu | Real Cherries,\n | ur-valhalla!weisberg | Watch for pits!\n',
'From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: na\nLines: 59\n\nIn article <rdippold.735253985@qualcom> rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) writes:\n>\n>geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:\n>>Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were\n>>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the\n>>new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn\'t excuse Clinton and\n>>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let\'s lay\n>>the body at the proper door to start with.\n>\n>The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result\n>would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported\n>this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they\'ve so\n>obviously doing. I don\'t believe the chip originated with the Clinton\n>administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it\n>and brought it to fruition.\n\n[...]\n\n(the date I have for this is 1-26-93)\n\nnote Clinton\'s statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess\nthis statement doesen\'t contradict what you said, though.\n\n--- cut here ---\n\n WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh\nstart, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation\nof Police Commisioners convention in Washington.\n In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural,\nClinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make\neverything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical\npurposes this war is only beginning now.\'\' He repeatedly emphasized\nhis view that ``regardless of what has been tried, or who has tried\nit, or how long they\'ve been trying it, this is Day One to me.\'\'\nThe audience at the convention, whose theme is ``How do we spell\nfiscal relief? F-O-R-F-E-I-T-U-R-E,\'\' interrupted Clinton frequently\nwith applause.\n Clinton\'s program, presented in the speech, follows the\noutline given in his campaign position papers: a cabinet-level Drug\nCzar and ``boot camps\'\' for first-time youthful offenders. He did,\nhowever, cover in more detail his plans for improved enforcement\nmethods. ``This year\'s crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,\'\'\nClinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict\ncontrols on data formats and protocols, and require the registration\nof so-called ``cryptographic keys,\'\' in the hope of denying drug\ndealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the\napproach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground\neconomic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who\nlive in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.\'\'\n Clinton expressed optimism that the drug war can be won\n``because even though not everyone voted for Bill Clinton last\nNovember, everyone did vote for a candidate who shares my sense of\nurgency about fighting the drug menace. The advocates of\nlegalization -- the advocates of surrender -- may be very good at\nmaking noise,\'\' Clinton said. ``But when the American people cast\ntheir ballots, it only proved what I knew all along -- that the\nadvocates of surrender are nothing more than a microscopic fringe.\'\'\n\n\n',
"From: mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nOrganization: Florida State University Computer Science Department\nReply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <7912@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:\n>[Many good points deleted. Anyone who missed it should see the original.]\n>Lists like this that just toss a bunch of quotes together to\n>make a bible verse salad just don't cut it. Those of us who\n>want to argue against inerrancy should find this sort of thing\n>as embarassing as the fundies should find Josh McDowell.\n\nTrue, except that I've known few fundies who had enough sense to\nbe embarrassed by Josh McDowell.\n\n(Okay, maybe a cheap shot. But I'm in that kind of mood.)\n\nBill Mayne\n\n",
'From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Yoda)\nSubject: Re: Booting from B drive\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\ndjweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger) writes:\n\n>I have a 5 1/4" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from\n>my 3 1/2" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot\n>from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But\n>if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that\n>it can\'t boot 5 1/4" disks, that\'s OK. Also, boot_b won\'t do the trick\n>for me.)\n\n>Thanks,\n> Davebo\n\tYou can try to get into the setup byt pressing CTRL-ALT-INS or \n\tCTRL-ALT-PrintScreen on most PC\'s. That should give you an option\n\tto set regarding the drives to boot from. \n',
'From: dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cavalier)\nSubject: Help needed\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 128\nNntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\nHello. I hope somebody out here can help me. I am currently working\non a project where I am trying to communicate from an IBM 386 with\nPhoenix BIOS, using C++, to a board that I made with an Intel 8085 CPU\nwith UART chip. The board works fine with the TRANSMIT command and \nTerminal Emulation mode of Kermit, but there seems to be something wrong\nwith the initialization or protocol used when I try C++. I need to\naccess the unit I built using C, because I have a sizable chunk of C\ncode that I will be using to perform calculations and operations that\nwill be very difficult to code in assembly language for the 8085.\n\nI have included the assembly code that I am running and the C++ code\nthat I am trying to use. If anyone can show me something that I\nam doing blatantly incorrectly or that I am missing because of my lack\nof knowledge about RS-232 serial communications, please e-mail me.\nI wrote the assembly language to wait for a character to be received and\nthen to check it against the 0x20 character, if a 0x20 is received, \nthe LEDs will indicate this. Two C++ programs that I have written do\nnothing, but set up COM port 2 and send the 0x20 character. One uses\nthe bioscom() function in bios.h the other uses the software interrupt\nint86() function in dos.h. I have triple checked the baud rate ( 2400 )\nthe parity ( none ) the stop bits ( 1 ) the character length ( 8 bits )\nand the interrupt calls for ( 0x14 ). Currently, I am at a loss as\nto what may be wrong. Any hardware gurus out there want to comment?\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tThanks alot,\n\t\t\t\t\t\tHubert De Jesus\n\t\t\t\t\t\tdejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\n\n \t\t\t\tINTEL ASM\n\nCOMMAND EQU 3000H ;Command Register on 8155\nPORTA EQU 3001H ;Port A on 8155\nTIMERLO EQU 3004H ;High 8 bits of 8155 Timer\nTIMERHI EQU 3005H ;Low 8 bits of 8155 Timer\nUARTDATA EQU E000H ;UART Data Register\nUARTCMD EQU E001H ;UART Command Register\n\n ORG 4000H ;SRAM location\n\t MVI A,08H\t\t ;Set Low Timer Bits\n STA TIMERLO\n MVI A,40H\t\t ;Set High Timer Bits\n STA TIMERHI\n MVI A,11111101B ;Start Timer & Enable Port A\n STA COMMAND\n\n MVI A,11H ;Display 11 on 7-segment LEDs\n STA PORTA\n\n MVI A,00H\t\t ;Clear UART Command\n STA UARTCMD\n STA UARTCMD\n STA UARTCMD\n MVI A,01000000B\t\t ;Internally reset UART \n STA UARTCMD\n\t LDA UARTDATA ;Remove extraneous data\n \t MVI A,01001111B ;Init UART for 8 data bits,\n STA UARTCMD ; no parity, 1 stop bit, 64x async\n MVI A,00100111B ;Enable Transmit and Receive\n STA UARTCMD\n\nINIT: LDA UARTCMD\t\t ;Read Status Register\n ANI 02H ;Is RxRDY?\n JZ INIT ;No, loop\n\n LDA UARTDATA ;Read Data Character\n CPI \' \' ;Is Character = 0x20?\n JNZ INIT ;No, loop\n \n MVI A,22H ;Character received, \n STA PORTA ; Display 22 on 7-segment LEDs\n HLT\n END\n\n C++ using BIOSCOM()\n\n#include <stdio.h>\n#include <stdlib.h>\n#include <bios.h>\n\n#define INIT 0\n#define SEND 1\n#define RECEIVE 2\n#define STATUS 3\n\n#define COM2 1\n\nvoid\nmain()\n{\n char abyte;\n\n abyte = 0xa3;\n bioscom( INIT, abyte, COM2 );\n printf( "Initialized COMM PORT 2\\n" );\n\n while( !( bioscom( STATUS, 0, COM2 ) & 0x4000 ) )\n ;\n abyte = \' \';\n bioscom( SEND, abyte, COM2 );\n printf( "Sent start character\\n" );\n}\n\n\n \t\t\tC++ using INT86()\n\n#include <stdio.h>\n#include <stdlib.h>\n#include <dos.h>\n#include <bios.h>\n\nmain()\n{\n union REGS registers;\n \n registers.h.ah = 0x00;\n registers.h.al = 0xa7; \n registers.x.dx = 0x01;\n int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters );\n printf( "COM2 Initialized\\n" );\n \n registers.h.ah = 0x01;\n registers.h.al = 0x20;\n registers.x.dx = 0x01;\n int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters );\n printf( "Sent start character\\n" );\n }\n',
'From: RUTIJOH1@chico.acc.iit.edu (USERS)\nSubject: Re: > Re: > RE: 1024 x 768 video on Q800 --- adaptor pinouts\nIn-Reply-To: Gene\'s message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 18:06:15 GMT\nOrganization: ILLINOIS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, CHICAGO\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\nLines: 17\n\n> This does not make sence...why would the 4FG work but the 3FGx not\n> work...it is the\n> same monitor without accucolor and digital controls...works fine at\n> 1024x768 with\n> SVGA...what\'s the deal....anyway you can get a SVGA 14" with .28mm and\n> 1024x7 68\n> for $279 at Damark...are you saing that it probably would work while a\n> $600 NEC won\'t?\nThe 3FGx has a maximum horizontal scan rate of 49KHz, so driving it\nat 60.24KHz to get 1024 x 768 on the Mac is WAY BEYOND the tolerance The 4FG is spec\'ed at 57KHz, so going 60.24KHz is only 5-6% above\nthe minimally guaranteed figure.\n\nI too doubt if the Damark monitor would sync to a Mac at 1024 x 768. Like most things, you get what you pay. That\'s the deal.\n\n-John Rutirasiri.\n\nP.S. I wouldn\'t have posted if I wasn\'t sure. \n',
"From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone)\nSubject: Re: 80486DX-50 vs 80486DX2-50\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu\nIn-reply-to: hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz's message of 13 Apr 93 01:34:36 GMT\n\nIn article <1qd5bcINNmep@golem.wcc.govt.nz> hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Michael Hamilton) writes:\n\n Do you really need to switch to a DX2/66 instead of a DX50? As I\n understand it, DX50's can have local bus devices (on the mother-board?)\n but not local bus slots. And according to what I been told, many\n systems go beyond the VESA local bus standard in order to provide DX50\n systems with a local bus slot capability. I have definitly seen a\n mother board with 2 local bus slots which claimed to be able to\n support any CPU, including the DX2/66 and DX50. Can someone throw\n some more informed light on this issue?\n\nYou will need to check with peripheral makers to see if their boards\nwill work at 50 MHz. Some will with some motherboards.\n\n\n- Tony\n catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu\n",
' cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!karner\nSubject: Re: Islamic marriage?\nFrom: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner)\n <C4qAv2.24wG@austin.ibm.com> <1993Apr2.103237.4627@Cadence.COM>\nOrganization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division\nOriginator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com\nLines: 50\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.103237.4627@Cadence.COM>, mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:\n> In article <C4qAv2.24wG@austin.ibm.com> karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) writes:\n> >\n> >Okay. So you want me to name names? There are obviously no official\n> >records of these pseudo-marriages because they are performed for\n> >convenience. What happens typically is that the woman is willing to move\n> >in with her lover without any scruples or legal contracts to speak of. \n> >The man is merely utilizing a loophole by entering into a temporary\n> >religious "marriage" contract in order to have sex. Nobody complains,\n> >nobody cares, nobody needs to know.\n> >\n> >Perhaps you should alert your imam. It could be that this practice is\n> >far more widespread than you may think. Or maybe it takes 4 muslim men\n> >to witness the penetration to decide if the practice exists!\n> >-- \n> >\n> \n> Again you astound me with the level of ignorance you display, Muslims\n> are NOT allowed to enter temporary marriages, got that? There is\n> no evidence for it it an outlawed practise so get your facts \n> straight buddy. Give me references for it or just tell everyone you\n> were lying. It is not a widespread as you may think (fantasise) in\n> fact contrary to your fantasies it is not practised at all amongst\n> Muslims.\n\nFirst of all, I\'m not your buddy! Second, read what I wrote. I\'m not\ntalking about what muslims are ALLOWED to do, merely what *SOME*\npractice. They consider themselves as muslim as you, so don\'t retort\nwith the old and tired "they MUST NOT BE TRUE MUSLIMS" bullshit. If I\ngave you the names what will you do with this information? Is a fatwa\ngoing to be leashed out against the perpetrators? Do you honestly think\nthat someone who did it would voluntarily come forward and confess? \nWith the kind of extremism shown by your co-religionaries? Fat chance.\n\nAt any rate, there can be no conclusive "proof" by the very nature of\nthe act. Perhaps people that indulge in this practice agree with you in\ntheory, but hope that Allah will forgive them in the end.\n\nI think it\'s rather arrogant of you to pretend to speak for all muslims\nin this regard. Also, kind of silly. Are you insinuating that because\nthe Koranic law forbids it, there are no criminals in muslim countries? \n\nThis is as far as I care to go on this subject. The weakness of your\narguments are for all netters to see. Over and out...\n-- \n\n DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine\n solely and do not represent my employer in any way.\n F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com\n',
"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 13\n\n\n>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being,\n>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department)\n>\n>Peace.\n>-marc\n>\n\nBoy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does\nnot sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again,\nget a brain.\n\n\n",
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Players Overpaid?\nArticle-I.D.: midway.1993Apr5.231343.17894\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 42\n\nThere\'s a lot of whining about how much players are overpaid. I thought\nI\'d put together an underpaid team that could win a pennant. I splurged\nand let four of the players earn as much as half a million dollars; the\nhighest-paid player is Frank Thomas, at $900K. I cut some players, like\nKenny Lofton, Chris Hoiles, Keith Mitchell, Tim Wakefield, and a bunch\nof pitchers, all of whom could have arguably made the team better at a\ncost of $1 million for the lot of them. The total team salary is \n$7,781,500, averaging slightly over $300K a player. If that\'s too steep,\nyou can dump Thomas and Bagwell, replacing them with Paul Sorrento and\na minimum wager to save a bit over a million dollars, and still have one\nof the best teams in the majors.\n\np, Juan Guzman, 500\np, Mussina,\t400\np, Castillo, 250\np, Eldred, 175\np, Rhodes,\t155\np, Militello, 118\nrp, Rojas,\t300\nrp, Beck,\t250\nrp, Melendez, 235\nrp, Hernandez,\t185\nrp, Nied,\t150\nc, Rodriguez,\t275\nc, Piazza, 126\n1b, Thomas,\t900\n1b, Bagwell, 655\n2b, Knoblauch,\t500\n2b, Barberie,\t190\n3b, Gomez,\t312.5\n3b, Palmer,\t250\nss, Listach,\t350\nss, Pena,\t170\nlf, Gonzalez,\t525\ncf, Lankford,\t290\nrf, R.Sanders,\t275\nof, Plantier,\t245\n-- \nted frank | "However Teel should have mentioned that though \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it \nthe u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."\nstandard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal\n',
'From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)\nSubject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nDistribution: world\n <1993Apr14.130150.28931@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> <79615@cup.portal.com>\n <1qn5rn$q7p@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>\nLines: 144\n\n930418\n\nDo what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. [Honestly.]\nThe word of Sin is Restriction. [Would I kid you?]\n\n\nDoes one man\'s words encompass the majestic vision of thousands\nof individuals? Quoting a man is not the same as quoting the\nOrder. Taken out of context, words can be interpreted much\ndifferently than had one applied them within the confines of\ntheir original expression.\n\nI think this is the case regarding Hymenaeus Beta, Frater Superior \nof the Order to which I belong. When he included that bit\nfrom Merlinus X\' he did us all a service. He showed us the extremes\nto which Order members have been known to go in their fervor.\nI have little knowledge regarding Reuss\' background, but surely\nhe was an unusual man, and he was an important force in the Order \nfor many years.\n\nYet as people change so do Orders change, and while we look back\nso carefully at the dirty laundry of O.T.O. remember that this is\nonly the surface skim and that many perspectives are now encompassed\nwhich extend beyond any one individual. I hope to show that there\nwas and is much room for a difference of opinion within the Order\nitself, perhaps by testing the limits myself.\n\n\nLet us examine this issue a bit more closely....\n\n"In 1895, Karl Kellner (1850-1905), a wealthy Austrian industrialist\nand paper chemist, as well as a high-grade Mason, founded the Ordo\nTempli Orientis. Kellner had traveled widely in the East, where he\nmet three adepts who instructed him specific magical practices. \nKellner\'s efforts to develop the Order were later assisted by Franz\nHartmann, Heinrich Klein and Theodore Reuss, who had worked together\nprior to joining the O.T.O. The Order was first proclaimed in 1902\nin Reuss\'s Masonic publication, \'Oriflamme\'. On Kellner\'s death,\nReuss succeeded him as Outer Head [O.H.O.]. The \'Jubilee\' edition of\nthe \'Oriflamme\', published in 1912, announced that the Order taught\nsecret of sexual magic.\n \n"Theodore Reuss was an interesting character. Born June 28, 1855 in\nAugsburg, he entered Masonry in 1876. He was a singer, journalist and\npossibly a spy for the Prussian political police, infiltrating the Socialist\nLeague founded by Karl Marx\'s daughter and her husband. Reuss was\nlater associated with William Wynn Westcott, a leader of the Golden\nDawn, who later introduced him to John Yarker. Yarker chartered Reuss to\nfound the Rites of Memphis and Mizraim in Germany. After several\nattempts to concretize various Masonic Rites, Reuss settled on the\ndevelopment of the O.T.O.\n\n"The Order experienced reasonably steady growth under Reuss\' leadership.\nFor example, he chartered Papus in France, Rudolph Steiner in Berlin\nand H. Spencer Lewis in the USA. In 1912, the historic meeting between\nReuss and Crowley occurred. Crowley wrote that Reuss came to him and\naccused him of revealing Order secrets. When Crowley looked at it afresh,\nthe initiated interpretation of sexual magick unfolded itself to him for\nthe first time. Reuss appointed Crowley as Supreme and Holy King of all\nthe English speaking world, and it was this authorization that he invoked\nwhen publishing the material of the Equinox.\n\n"Reuss resigned as Outer Head of the Order in 1922 after suffering a\nstroke and named Crowley his successor. All was well until 1925 when\n_The Book of the Law_ was translated into German. There was a break\nin the continuity of the Order. Manyk members split with the new O.H.O.\nover the book, which Crowley was actively promulgating through the Order.\nHe had earlier revise dthe Order rituals at Reuss\'s request, deeply\ninfusing the doctrines of the New Aeon revelation."\n\n_An Introduction to the History of the O.T.O._, by Ad Veritatem IX\'\n\nWithin _Equinox III:10_, Edited by \n Hymenaeus Beta, Frater Superior, Rex Summus Sanctissimus,\n Caliph of the United States of America,\n Published by Samuel Weiser, 1990.\n\n\n\nThere are many possible reasons that our Frater Superior included this\nmaterial in _Equinox III:10_. And this is the real point, is it not?\nWhy did he wish to publish such things about the history of his own\norganization? Does he represent a dogmatic threat to the principle\nof Thelema? Or is he exercising his True Will and putting forth very\ncomplex pictures with no easy answers? A picture which leaves room\nfor very many interpretations.\n\nIt is quite easy for me to see, for example, that all of O.T.O. derived\nout of the dribble of faltering Masonry, purchased by clever hucksters\nwith an ounce of courage and some writing ability to aid them. And I\ncan take that all the way down to our present Caliph, whose feeble\nsupport of the \'Law of Thelema\' is laughable at best.\n\nWould I be thrown out of the Order for speaking in this way? \nWill I? \nI think not.\nWhy? Because my Frater will see it as a perspective, an interjection\nI am using as an example. My illustration shows that we may express things\nin the context of a larger work and the true significance of this may be\nquite difficult to apprehend at first.\n\nSo it may be with OTO and Merlinus X\'. Please look O.T.O. more carefully.\nI do not support Reuss\'s words myself, as I am not qualified to assess\nthem, and I am critical of their pomposity. If I who am a member of\nthe Order take such a stand and am allowed to continue doing so, then\nwhat can this say about the health of the Order? Does it mean that\nthe Order has \'gone soft\' and abandoned its moral principles? Or\ndoes it mean that it is strong in its ability to let the will of\nuniversal kinship arise on its own, not shackled by some dogmatic\nrequirement? How shall we resolve these two possibilities?\n\n\nI find a high calibre of individual associated with Ordo Templi Orientis.\nThey are often quite intelligent and sometimes very well versed in arcane\nor usual information. They are quite often artists and geniuses. \nHaving met some 20 longstanding members in the SF Bay Area (many who are or\nwere very heavily involved with the Order), I can vouch for the integrity\nof the organization as it stands.\n\nI have sometimes questioned the policy of Hymenaeus Beta. In these moments \nI followed my intuition, and I\'ve found little to stop me from requesting\na Second initiation from a different O.T.O. body. I\'m happily participating\nin social groups (Feasts or Initiations) and have come to know the Gnostic\nMass well enough for my tastes.\n \n\nThis doesn\'t make me an authority on Order politics and explanations, however.\nI can only hypothesize and relay to you what I understand based on my\nlimited contact with other members.\n\nI urge you not to take the words of Merlinus X too far. There are many\nways to interpret words, and many people who have become involved with\nthe Order feel very strongly about the sanctity of personal freedom\nand the preservation of individual vision.\n\nI welcome other comment on this issue and will be writing more in response\nto other posts in this thread.\n\n\nInvoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will.\n\nI am I!\n\nFrater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) CCCXXXIII\n',
'From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden)\nSubject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians\nOrganization: Motorola LPA Development\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.02.42.1993.3815@geneva.rutgers.edu>,\nconditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote:\n\n\n> I think it\'s really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere\n> man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet.\n\nIt is just as Christ said about his return:\n\n"Some will say, \'He is in the desert.\' or some will say, \'He is in the\nwilderness.\' But do not believe them. For as lightning flashes east to\nwest so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." \n { My paraphrase - I think the\nverse is\n somewhere in John }\n\nJon\n\n----------------\nsig file broken....\n\nplease try later...\n----------------\n',
'From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes:\n> Well, it seems the "National Sales Tax" has gotten its very\n\n> own CNN news LOGO!\n>\n> Cool. That means we\'ll be seeing it often.\n>\n> Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this \n> seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching \n> time go by, being frustrated, I\'d be pretty DAMN MAD by \n> now.\n> \n> I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who\n> was saying that " Clinton didn\'t propose a NST ".\n>\n\nActually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue\npersona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year.\n\nHowever....\n\nWhy don\'t the Republicans get their act together, and say they\nwill support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible\n(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they\nhave in Europe)\nand suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate\nand capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give\nthe Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, and\nforce an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax\nrate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could\nbe increased only via a national referendum.\n\nWhy not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile...\nshift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get\nhealth care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate\nall in one fell swoop.\n\nGerald\n',
'From: wyatt@chem.nrl.navy.mil (JRW)\nSubject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor\nLines: 39\nOrganization: NRL\n\nIn article <1qjfa0INN6g5@titan.ucs.umass.edu> dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) writes:\n>From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd)\n>Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor\n>Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:01:20 -0400\n>In article <1qhppp$gha@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:\n>>Basically I\'m looking for a 15" SVGA (1024x768) non-interlaced\n>>monitor. The NEC 4FG is the one most of the computer mags use as\n>>their standard, and from what I\'ve seen and heard it looks pretty\n>>good, but it\'s a bit expensive (700 bucks is the best deal I\'ve seen).\n>>So I thought perhaps I might find something as good for less. Any\n>>recommendations? I also thought about the NEC 3FGx, which has the\n>>same specs as the 4FG except for the scan frequency, which is more\n>>limited; anybody have any comments on this one? Would it work with\n>\n>I believe that NEC is replacing the 4FG and 3FGx with 4FGe and 3FGe\n>models, reportedly being released at the end of this month. I\'m\n>waiting for a 4FGe, the main difference being a 3 year warranty and\n>higher refresh rates at the higher resolutions. It sounded from a PC\n>Magazine note that the 3FGe was being boosted in a number of ways.\n>Call the NEC 800 number and have them send you info.\n>\n>\n>|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|\n>|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA|\n>|Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ <David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU> ____ Fax: 413/545-0996|\n>\n>\n>\n>\nI have been using a NEC 3FGx for several months now. Several others here \nalso have this monitor. We have had no problems. Personally I would spend \nextra money for this monitor and sacrifice other features on a PC such as 33 \nMHz viz 50 Mhz. Based on the comments of others you might want to view the \n3FGX vs the 4 series on a PC running windows at 1024x768. The refresh rate \nappears ok for me, but you might feel differently. Finally speaking of \nspending money, with the size of today\'s files, etc, a tape backup is \ncertainly worth $200-$300. Recently I set up a friend\'s PC 50Mhz and VESA \nlocal bus. The redraw time for a graphics program was only a factor of 2 \nfaster which I doubt warrants the extra cost.\n',
'From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens)\nSubject: Re: HD Setup Partition (Was: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610???\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarm422\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.143516.17221@urbana.mcd.mot.com>,\nfeldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman) wrote:\n> \n> \n> Now if I can figure out if there\'s any hope using the "partition" button\n> on the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?),\n> then maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more\n> securly. The "getting more information" section of the manual suggested\n> trying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn\'t mention the net.\n> -- \n> Mike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550\n> 1101 East University Avenue\t Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009\n> Urbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com\n\nThe Partition button in Apple\'s HD Setup lets you set up A/UX and other\ntypes of partitions. It WON\'T let you create more than one normal mac\nvolume. You need SilverLining or something similar to do that. It WILL,\nhowever, allow you to take advantage of some possible unused space on your\nhard disk, if you don\'t mind reformatting the whole thing.\n\nChris Ellens ellens@bnr.ca\n',
'From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)\nSubject: Re: More Cool BMP files??\nOrganization: George Washington University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 27\n\n>\n>\n>>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE ---------------\n>>begin 666 ntreal.bmp\n>>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@" ! @ \n>>M $ ! @@P![( @ "!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D \n>>M4PA: &4H@P"L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0\n>>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. "6E@ I !@ 4B!I " ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV\n>\n>Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!!\n>How do you convert this to a bit map???\n\nYou\'re supposed to delete everything above the "cut here" mark, and\nbelow the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but \n*I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line.\n\ncould you please re-post it, or tell be what I\'m doing wrong?\n\nthanks,i.a.,\nMickey\n\n\n-- \npe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu \nace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray\n|||| \\/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*\n\\\\\\\\ | "well I ain\'t always right, but I\'ve never been wrong.."(gd)\n',
"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nReply-To: <news@opl.com>\nOrganization: HFSI\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.15.1993.1349@geneva.rutgers.edu> reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:\n\n>The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on\n>the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to\n>the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at\n>least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died\n>and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up\n>with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established.\n>Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in \n>Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. \n\nEven if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was\nvalid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as\ntruth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've\nmentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally\nthat no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in\nthe Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the\nabsence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken,\nthen I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect.\n\n>randy\n\n\n-- \nJohn G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com\nHFS, Inc.\t\t VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata\n7900 Westpark Drive\t MS:601\t | Voice:\t(703) 827-6810\nMcLean, VA 22102\t | FAX:\t(703) 827-3729\n\n[I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than\nthis. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't\nbe lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs.\nThus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered\nfor believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether\nthose who witnessed it did.\n\nI do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there\ncan be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism.\n\n--clh]\n",
"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nIn-Reply-To: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 07:30:17 -0400\nLines: 12\nOrganization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.\n\t<1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>\n\nIn article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n\n> First off, with all these huge software packages and files that\n> they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\n\nI've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.\n\n> Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI\n> and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.\n\nWindows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,\ntape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0.\n-- \nRichard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com\nOS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...\n",
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:\n\n>Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism,\n>should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many\n>years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His\n\nYour suggestion to learn something about "the perversion of Judaism"\nfrom someone you claim has experience in Israeli intelligence and the\nPLO is like a suggestion to learn something about the conspiracy of\nSesame Street from someone with experience in fashion design and\npizza-making. \n\n>latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis\n>of Judeo-Nazism.\n\n"Judeo-Nazism"? CPR, you\'re in a league with Barf Shmidling himself.\nYou can take that as a compliment, if you see it that way.\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) \nSubject: Re: Bat-helmet.\nReply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937\nLines: 49\n\nCBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin <cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>\n\nCBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet\nCBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his\nCBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth\nCBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of\nCBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better\nCBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy.\n\nCBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE. He's Batman.\n\nCBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain?\n\nSo let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet.\nHe drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it?\nHidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain.\nAlso, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would\nhave made getting my license a lot easier!\n\nThere's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only\nin Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're\ndealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a\nBAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . .\n\nLet's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD\nsticker.\n\nActually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both\ncomic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like\nto become an honorary Denizen! Yeah!\n\nSpecial To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary\nmember with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the\nBat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary\nInternet access.\n\nRyan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride\nKotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to\nDoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to\nryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .\n\n\n * SLMR 2.1a * My (virtual) reality check just bounced.\n \n----\n+===============================================================+\n|COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)|\n|Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop|\n+===============================================================+\n",
"From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)\nSubject: Re: Ban All Firearms !\nNntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n>Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.\n\tWhy? Either the numerator or the denominator could fluctuate.\n\tThe dollar value of a gun would (of course)\n\tgo up if supply were restricted. The weight of a gun might\n\tgo down significantly as technology improved. I don't\n\tthink you have a basis to assert this. \n\t\n>It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production\n>would have to be local. There are not all that many people\n>who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile\n>firearms from scratch. \n\tThe skill is easily taught to anyone with a modicum of\n\tmechanical aptitude and the ONLY motivator needed is \n\tmoney. If guns were banned then this motivator would kick\n\tin big time. Now, of course, it is not a moneymaking\n\tproposition for every machine shop to make guns on the\n\tside when it ain't rebuilding engines. Ban guns and \n\twatch what happens. You'll have to schedule a year in advance\n\tto get your brakes resurfaced. ;-)\n",
'From: jose@csd.uwo.ca (Jose Thekkumthala)\nSubject: recurrent volvulus\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, UWO, Canada\nKeywords: volvulus\nNntp-Posting-Host: berfert.csd.uwo.ca\nLines: 35\n\n Recurrent Volvulus\n -------------------\n \n This is regarding recurrent volvulus which our little boy\n has been suffering from ever since he was an infant. He had\n a surgery when he was one year old. Another surgery had\n to be performed one year after, when he was two years old.\n He turned three this February and he is still getting\n afflicted by this illness, like having to get hospitalised\n for vomitting and accompanying stomach pain.He managed\n not having a third surgery so far.\n \n * \tOne thing me and my wife noticed is that his affliction\n \tpeaks around the time he was born, on nearabouts, like in\n \tMarch every year. Any significance to this?\n \n *\tWhy does this recur? Me and my family go through severe pain\n \twhen our little boy have to undergo surgery. Why does surgery\n \tnot rectify the situation? \n \n *\tAlso, which hospital in US or Canada specialize in this malady?\n \n *\tWhat will be a good book explaining this disease in detail?\n \n *\tWill keeping a particular diet keep down the probability of \n \trecurrence?\n \n *\tAs time goes on, will the probability of recurrence go down\n \tconsidering he is getting stronger and healthier and probably\n \tless prone to attacks? Or is this assumption wrong?\n \n *\tAny help throwing light on these queries will be highly appreciated.\n \tThanks very much!\n \n jose@csd.uwo.ca\n',
"From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine)\nSubject: Space Station radio commercial\nOrganization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland\nLines: 13\n\nA brief political/cultural item.\n\nRadio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with\na large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). \nImagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond\njewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines.\n\nThis morning I heard a commercial for the space station project.\nDidn't catch the advertiser.\n\nGuess they're pulling out all the stops.\n-- \nChuck Divine\n",
'From: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)\nSubject: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me.\nOrganization: Department of Mathematical Sciences\nLines: 55\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu\nOriginator: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu\n\n\tThe following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert\nmy comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom:\n\n>\tWhite House Announcement on Screw Thread Standards\n>\t--------------------------------------------------\n>\n>\tThis is to announce that the American National Standards\n>Institute (or whatever it is) has been given the authority to define\n>standard dimensions for screw threads.\n\n Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our\n own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn\'t fought,\n tooth and nail, every step of the way, it\'ll be a crime to use\n screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously*\n define for us.\n\n>\tThe purpose of this is to permit industry to draw upon a standard\n>pool of specifications and designations, to ensure interoperability of\n>various threaded objects across vendors.\n\n Rubbish, I say! ANSI standard screw threads will have subtle weaknesses,\n allowing their agents to disassemble our automobiles more easily,\n causing our mufflers to fall off at inoppurtune moments.\n\n>\tQuestions and Answers on the ANSI screw thread standards\n>\t--------------------------------------------------------\n>\n>Q: Will the screw threads defined by ANSI be as good as other screw thread\n>designs available elsewhere?\n>\n>A: Yes.\n\n\tHah! "trust us"\n\n>Q: Will I be able to use my own screw threads if I desire?\n>\n>A: Of course, but this will make your threaded objects unlikely to\n>interoperate correctly with others within the industry.\n\n\tSee??! See? This is the first step.\n\n\tIt is clear we must band together, write your congressman!\nUse Pretty Good Screw Threads, not this devil-inspired ANSI trash.\nProtect your constitutional right to use whatever screw thread you\ndesire. Guerilla Screw Thread Activism must become the order of the\nday. Boycott GM, and build your own car, using screws from STZ\nScrew Thread Associates.\n\n\tScrew you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs!\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\namolitor@nmsu.edu | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or\nScrew Threads | see the screw thread servers.\nmust be freed! |\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ?\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n\n\tOther people have commented on most of this swill, I figured\nI\'d add a few comments of my own.\n\n>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population\n>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks.\n\n\tHong Kong, and Cairo both have higher population densities.\n\n>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of\n>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the\n>strip and seek work in Israel.\n\n\tThere is no fundamental right to work in another country. And\nthe closing of the strip is not a punishment, it is a security measure\nto stop people from stabbing Israelis.\n\n\n>The only help given to Gazans by Israeli\n>Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.\n\n\tDozens minus one, since one of them was stabbed to death a few\ndays ago.\n\n\tAdam\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
"Subject: Is SMARTDRV.EXE causing bad sectors on my hd?\nFrom: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)\nOrganization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA\nLines: 47\n\n I am having something very unusual happen. First \nsome background on my system. I have a Mitsubishi 63 meg Hard Drive, \nand am running Smartdrv (the version that comes with Windows 3.1) on \nit. I rarely use Windows. I use a program called Disk Technician \nGold v1.14 to do diagnostics live time on my hard drive. It works by \nhaving a device driver detect whenever more than one read is \nnecessary for a file, or if there is anything else is wrong with it, \nand minor problems are fully checked out upon rebooting. My hard \ndrive is notorious for bad sectors. I usually end up with 8 new bad \nsectors a week.\n \n Here's what happened: I ran a program, and DTG broke in with \nan Emergency Warning and recommended I reboot. It gave me this \nmessage twice before the program was fully loaded. I exited the program \nand did just this. DTG went through its bootup process, examining \nfor new errors etc., and a screen popped up and said something about \nsectors for a brief period of time.\n \n I then went back to the program, executed it again, and the \nexact same error was detected. I rebooted and tried again, and the \nsame error happened again. So, I removed DTG from memory, and went \nto the program to see if I could detect anything wrong. Sure enough \nthere was a number of read attempts. So I rebooted and reloaded DTG, \nbut removed the cache. I executed the program. No read errors, \neither audible or detected by DTG. I quit the program, loaded the \ncache, and ran the program again. The errors were detected.\n \n Ok, so the errors are there, and DTG detects but doesn't fix \nthem, when the cache is loaded. When the cache is not loaded there are \nno errors. So, to see if the cache was interfering with any other \nfiles, I went into xtree gold and tagged all files, and searched them \nfor a random string (in other words, I wanted the program to \ncompletely read every file on my hard drive). Before I got through \nthe c's DTG had detected at least six errors and recommended I reboot.\n \n Does anybody, have any idea why Smartdrv is causing misreads on \nmy hard drive? Oh, there are exactly two misreads per file, and 1 in \nabout every 100 files are affected. \n \n I originally posted this message to Disk Technician Corp.'s \nsystem, but I figured someone out in netland may know enough about \nsmartdrv to help me out.\n\n-- \nINTERNET: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)\nUUCP: ...!ryptyde!netlink!jdriver\nNetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115\n",
'From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)\nSubject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1483500353@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n>\n>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n>Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\n>\n>\n>Dear Josh\n>\n>I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions.\n>\n>Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers.\n>\n>1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards\n>identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S.\n>citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are\n>just trying to mislead the reader ? \n\nI think he is trying to mislead people. In cases where race\ninformation is sought, it is completely voluntary (the census\npossibly excepted).\n\n-anwar\n',
"From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)\nSubject: Re: Is there ANY security in the Clipper?\nOrganization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <ZEEV.93Apr18014822@sepia.ccc.amdahl.com> zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) writes:\n>It seems to me that all discussions about Clipper security are almost \n>irrelevant - if I cannot choose the key, but have to use a key chosen for\n>me by the foundry, the security of the WHOLE UNIVERSE OF USERS is as good\n>(or as bad) as the security of VLSI Technologies Inc.\n\n- or their handlers.\n\n>It is a trivial effort to run any ciphertext agains ALL THE KEYS EVER \n>MANUFACTURED - after all we are talking about 1 to 100 million keys that\n>will ever be manufactured. The key depositories can be as secure and\n>incorruptible as they wish to be, nobody cares anyway...:-(\n\nThey key depositories are IRRELEVANT. In order for the applicable law\nenformcement agencies to be able to know what keys to request from\nescrow, the system will have to squawk its serial number in clear text\nas part of the link establishment protocol. Whoever owns the program \nthat assigns keys to each serial number won't need access to the key\ndepository.\n\nIn other words, the FBI may need a court-ordered release of escrowed\nkeys, but the NSA has the keys before the chip is ever manufactured.\nThere is no need to go through the escrow or to try all keys. While\nrelations between law enforment agencies have sometimes been strained,\nthere is also a long history of trading favors. This will re-establish\nthe NSA as a very important agency for everyone to get along with,\nbecause they can give you untraceable encryption leaks without court\norders.\n\nThe more I think about this affair, the fouler it smells. I'd rather\nhave a DES with an engineered-in backdoor ...\n-- \n/ Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer\tInternet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM\n CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l\tTelephone: +1-805-968-4262\t\n Santa Barbara, CA 93117-3083\t\tTeleFAX: +1-805-968-8256\n",
'From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana\nDistribution: na\nLines: 25\n\nholland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n\n\n>\tWith E-Mail, if they can\'t break your PGP encryption, they\'ll just\n>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions\n>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from\n>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.\n\n1. I don\'t think they are classified.\n\n2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off\nthe top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better,\nI could probably come up with a _very_ good system.\n\n...\n>\tIf the new regime comes to fruition, make sure you protect your First\n>Amendment rights by asserting your Second Amendment Rights.\n\n>\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n--\nPhil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.\npgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man\n\n\n',
'From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)\nSubject: Re: History question\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <2775@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes:\n>This is vague, so I am posting it in case anyone else knows more.\n>\n>I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification.\n>Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the\n>pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder\n\n\nNASA and related agencies apparently used this same principles to create\nthe loudest reported reproduced sound. They used an "analog" electrically\ncontrolled valve to control the flow of air across a horn throat. If I \nremember correctly it was called a "modulated air blast transducer". There\nwere reports of the thing being able to produce 106 dB @ 80 Hz @ 10 mile\ndistance, communicate directly with fighter pilots @ 5000 ft, etc.\n\nRegards,\nGordon.\n\n-- \nWATERS,CLYDE GORDON-BME \'93-Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta Ga. \n"Out of the mountain of despair, we can hew the stone of hope"- MLK Jr. \nuucp:\t ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0869a\nInternet: gt0869a@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\nOrganization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century\nLines: 14\n\nbissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>\tNiether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn \n>to someone who was crazy.\n\nFind an encyclopedia. Volume H. Now look up Hitler, Adolf. He had\nmany more people than just Germans enamoured with him.\n\nP.\n-- \n moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke\nclive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception\njames trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM\n brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza \n',
'From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons)\nSubject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650\nNntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State U. Engineering College\nLines: 4\n\nI also use PhotoShop to edit photos, and do DTP work.\n\n-nate\n\n',
'From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 85\n\nIn article <CMM.0.90.2.735132009.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:\n>Drivers licence:\n>Forgot that USA is THE land of cars.....\n>Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy.\n>Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather......\n\nIs the license required for driving a car exclusively on private\nproperty, such as a farm? Here in the United States, the license\nis required only for the use of public roads.\n\n>Abuse by the goverment:\n>This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control\n>would just be abused by the goverment.(!)\n>Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should\n>get a new goverment. (You do have elections??)\n\nWe also have a nation of 250 million people, _many_ issues and\nusually only two candidates for a given office. A President\nmight be willing to abuse mild gun control laws and create\na de-facto ban (something a majority of the people would object to)\nand still be elected: The voters might look at issues like the\ncivil rights of minorities, health care, etc... and vote\nfor the "lesser of two evils." I don\'t think this is a matter\nof paranoia, since local governments in (for example) New York\nand Chicago have abused existing, mild gun control laws to \ncreate a virtual ban.\n\n>Guns \'n Criminals:\n>MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen.\n>Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that\'s one of the points of gun control.\n\nIn which case, the United States already has adaquate gun control laws:\nAccording to federal statistic, only 7% of gun-wielding criminals\nlegally purchase their own guns from licensed dealers. If that\'s\nthe point of gun control (to prevent criminals from legally purchasing\nguns) then America doesn\'t need any additional laws to accomplish\nthis.\n\n>Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one:\n>What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS!\n\nHow is this any different from guns? There are legal purposes for\nowning and using a gun: They are appropriate tools for hunting,\ntarget shooting and self-defence. Like cars, murder isn\'t\ntheir only (or even a common) use.\n\n>If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them\n>or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem,\n>it\'s the \'axer\' ??\n\nI certainly couldn\'t imagine the American public accepting regulation\nof axes. While the politics of other nations may be different,\nin America there is strong opposition to any intrusive law that\nprimarily would effect the average, law-abiding citizen who had\nnot done anything wrong.\n\n>Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect\n>themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ??\n\nA good way to deal with which problem? It is an excelent way to deal \nwith the short-term problem of rioting and violent attacks. Of course,\nit doesn\'t do anything for the long-term issues that start riots. But\nat this point, what can these individuals do about long-term social\nproblems? \n\n>If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have\n>guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA)\n\nThere are, according to surveys, guns in 40% of American homes.\nIn many parts of the country, this is closer to 100%. Those places\nwhere almost everyone owns a gun are, on average, safer than those\nwhere guns are less common.\n\n>LAST WORD:\n>Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if\n>you want to protect your citicens.\n\nThis is, I think, a fundamental difference between American government\nand that of other nations. Here it is not acceptable to punish\nor restrict the average, law-abiding citizen in the name of some\nvague "common good." \n\n Frank Crary\n CU Boulder\n\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Medication For Parkinsons\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <19621.3049.uupcb@factory.com> jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) writes:\n\n>If you want to throw around names, Drs. Donald Calne, Terry Elizan,\n>and Jesse Cedarbaum don\'t recommend selegiline (not to mention Dr.\n>William Landau).\n>\n\nGosh, Jesse is that famous now? He was my intern. Landau not liking\nit makes me like it out of spite. (Just kidding, Bill). \n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nSubject: Cryptography FAQ 05/10 - Product Ciphers\nOrganization: The Crypt Cabal\nLines: 435\nExpires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT\nReply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Part 5 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Product Ciphers.\n Theory and security of product ciphers. Differential cryptanalysis.\n DES encryption standard. NSA role in DES design. DES hardware and\n software availability.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16\n\nArchive-name: cryptography-faq/part05\nLast-modified: 1993/4/15\n\n\nFAQ for sci.crypt, part 5: Product ciphers\n\nThis is the fifth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are\nmostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.\nWe don\'t have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don\'t ask.\nNotes such as ``[KAH67]\'\' refer to the reference list in the last part.\n\nThe sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu \nas /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography \nFAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers\nevery 21 days.\n\n\nContents:\n\n* What is a product cipher?\n* What makes a product cipher secure?\n* What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers?\n* What can be proven about the security of a product cipher?\n* How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size?\n* Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication?\n* What exactly is DES?\n* What is triple DES?\n* What is differential cryptanalysis?\n* How was NSA involved in the design of DES?\n* Is DES available in software?\n* Is DES available in hardware?\n* Can DES be used to protect classified information?\n* What are "ECB", "CBC", "CFB", and "OFB" encryption?\n\n\n* What is a product cipher?\n\n A product cipher is a block cipher that iterates several weak\n operations such as substitution, transposition, modular\n addition/multiplication, and linear transformation. (A ``block\n cipher\'\' just means a cipher that encrypts a block of data---8 bytes,\n say---all at once, then goes on to the next block.) The notion of\n product ciphers is due to Shannon [SHA49]. Examples of modern\n product ciphers include LUCIFER [SOR84], DES [NBS77], SP-networks\n [KAM78], LOKI [BRO90], FEAL [SHI84], PES [LAI90], Khufu and Khafre\n [ME91a]. The so-called Feistel ciphers are a class of product\n ciphers which operate on one half of the ciphertext at each round,\n and then swap the ciphertext halves after each round. LUCIFER,\n DES, LOKI, and FEAL are examples of Feistel ciphers.\n\n The following table compares the main parameters of several product \n ciphers:\n\n cipher | block length | key bits | number of rounds\n LUCIFER 128 128 16\n DES 64 56 16\n LOKI 64 64 16\n FEAL 64 128 2^x, x >= 5\n PES 64 128 8\n\n* What makes a product cipher secure?\n\n Nobody knows how to prove mathematically that a product cipher is\n completely secure. So in practice one begins by demonstrating that the\n cipher ``looks highly random\'\'. For example, the cipher must be\n nonlinear, and it must produce ciphertext which functionally depends\n on every bit of the plaintext and the key. Meyer [MEY78] has shown\n that at least 5 rounds of DES are required to guarantee such a\n dependence. In this sense a product cipher should act as a ``mixing\'\'\n function which combines the plaintext, key, and ciphertext in a\n complex nonlinear fashion.\n\n The fixed per-round substitutions of the product cipher are\n referred to as S-boxes. For example, LUCIFER has 2 S-boxes, and DES\n has 8 S-boxes. The nonlinearity of a product cipher reduces to a\n careful design of these S-boxes. A list of partial design criteria\n for the S-boxes of DES, which apply to S-boxes in general, may be\n found in Brown [BRO89] and Brickell et al. [BRI86].\n\n* What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers?\n\n Let E be a product cipher that maps N-bit blocks to N-bit blocks.\n Let E_K(X) be the encryption of X under key K. Then, for any fixed K,\n the map sending X to E_K(X) is a permutation of the set of N-bit\n blocks. Denote this permutation by P_K. The set of all N-bit\n permutations is called the symmetric group and is written S_{2^N}.\n The collection of all these permutations P_K, where K ranges over all\n possible keys, is denoted E(S_{2^N}). If E were a random mapping from\n plaintexts to ciphertexts then we would expect E(S_{2^N}) to generate\n a large subset of S_{2^N}.\n\n Coppersmith and Grossman [COP74] have shown that a very simple\n product cipher can generate the alternating group A_{2^N} given a\n sufficient number of rounds. (The alternating group is half of the\n symmetric group: it consists of all ``even\'\' permutations, i.e., all\n permutations which can be written as an even number of swaps.)\n Even and Goldreich [EVE83] were able to extend these results to show\n that Feistel ciphers can generate A_{2^N}, given a sufficient number\n of rounds.\n\n The security of multiple encipherment also depends on the\n group-theoretic properties of a cipher. Multiple encipherment is an\n extension over single encipherment if for keys K1, K2 there does\n not exist a third key K3 such that\n\n E_K2(E_K1(X)) == E_(K3)(X) (**)\n\n which indicates that encrypting twice with two independent keys\n K1, K2 is equal to a single encryption under the third key K3. If\n for every K1, K2 there exists a K3 such that eq. (**) is true then\n we say that E is a group.\n\n This question of whether DES is a group under this definition was\n extensively studied by Sherman, Kaliski, and Rivest [SHE88]. In their\n paper they give strong evidence for the hypothesis that DES is not a\n group. In fact DES is not a group [CAM93].\n\n* What can be proven about the security of a product cipher?\n\n Recall from above that P_K is a permutation produced by E under\n some key K. The goal of the designer of E is to ensure that P_K\n appears to be a random element of S_{2^N}, the symmetric group.\n Let R be an element of S_{2^N} selected randomly. We will say that P_K\n and R are indistinguishable if an observer given P_K and R in some\n order cannot distinguish between these two permutations in polynomial\n time. That is, with time bounded resources, the observer cannot\n determine which of the permutations is produced by E: the optimal\n decision is no better than simply guessing.\n\n Luby and Rackoff [LUB88] have shown that a class of Feistel ciphers\n are secure in this sense when the round mapping is replaced by\n random boolean functions.\n\n* How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size?\n\n There are four standard "modes of operation" (and numerous non-standard\n ones as well). The standard modes of operation are defined in the U.S.\n Department of Commerce Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 81,\n published in 1980. See the question about "ECB" below for more details.\n\n Although they are defined for the DES block cipher, the "modes of\n operation" can be used with any block cipher.\n\n* Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication?\n\n One may use a symmetric cryptosystem block cipher to prove to himself\n that he did or did not generate a message, and to prove to himself \n whether his message was altered or unaltered since generation. But one\n cannot prove these things to another without revealing the key, and \n thereafter that key cannot be used to prove anything about any messages\n that were authenticated using that key.\n \n See ANSI X3.106-1983 and FIPS 113 (1985) for a standard method of message\n authentication using DES.\n\n* What exactly is DES?\n\n DES is the U.S. Government\'s Data Encryption Standard - a product \n cipher that operates on 64-bit blocks of data, using a 56-bit key. \n\n It is defined in FIPS 46-1 (1988) [which supersedes FIPS 46 (1977)].\n FIPS are Federal Information Processing Standards published by NTIS.\n DES is identical to the ANSI standard Data Encryption Algorithm (DEA)\n defined in ANSI X3.92-1981. \n\n* What is triple DES?\n\n Triple DES is a product cipher which, like DES, operates on 64-bit \n data blocks. There are several forms, each of which uses the DES\n cipher 3 times. Some forms use two 56-bit keys, some use three.\n The "DES modes of operation" may also be used with triple-DES.\n\n Some people refer to E(K1,D(K2,E(K1,x))) as triple-DES.\n\n This method is defined in chapter 7.2 of the ANSI standard X9.17-1985\n "Financial Institution Key Management" and is intended for use in\n encrypting DES keys and IVs for "Automated Key Distribution". Its\n formal name is "Encryption and Decryption of a Single Key by a Key\n Pair", but it is referenced in other standards documents as EDE.\n\n That standard says (section 7.2.1): "Key encrypting keys may be a single\n DEA key or a DEA key pair. Key pairs shoud be used where additional\n security is needed (e.g., the data protected by the key(s) has a long\n security life). A key pair shall not be encrypted or decrypted using a\n single key."\n\n Others use the term "triple-DES" for E(K1,D(K2,E(K3,x))) or\n E(K1,E(K2,E(K3,x))).\n\n One of us (Carl Ellison) keeps advocating DES triple use in the form\n E(K1, TRAN( E(K2, TRAN( E(K3, COMPRESS( x )))))), where each DES instance\n has its own key and IV (for CBC mode) and TRAN has been posted on\n sci.crypt. (It is a large-block transposition program taking its key\n from the data stream itself, so that it is not an encryption program on\n its own part.)\n\n* What is differential cryptanalysis?\n\n Differential cryptanalysis is a statistical attack that can be\n applied to any iterated mapping (ie. any mapping which is based on\n a repeated round function). The method was recently popularized by\n Biham and Shamir [BIH91], but Coppersmith has remarked that the\n S-boxes of DES were optimized against this attack some 20 years ago.\n This method has proved effective against several product ciphers,\n notably FEAL [BI91a].\n\n Differential cryptanalysis is based on observing a large number of\n ciphertexts Y, Y\' whose corresponding plaintexts X, X\' satisfy a\n known difference D = X+X\', where + is componentwise XOR. In the\n basic Biham-Shamir attack, 2^{47} such plaintext pairs are required\n to determine the key for DES. Substantially fewer pairs are required\n if DES is truncated to 6 or 8 rounds. In these cases, the actual key\n can be recovered in a matter of minutes using a few thousand pairs.\n For full DES this attack is impractical because it requires so many\n known plaintexts.\n\n The work of Biham and Shamir on DES revealed several startling\n observations on the algorithm. Most importantly, if the key\n schedule was removed from DES and a 16*48 = 768-bit key was used,\n the key could be recovered in less than 2^{64} steps. Thus\n independent subkeys do not add substantial security to DES.\n Further, the S-boxes of DES are extremely sensitive in that\n changing even single entries in these tables yields significant\n improvement in the differential attack.\n\n Adi Shamir is quoted to say (NYTimes Oct 13 1991), ``I would say\n that, contrary to what some people believe, there is no evidence\n of tampering with the DES so that the basic design was weakened.\'\'\n\n* How was NSA involved in the design of DES?\n\n According to Kinnucan [KIN78], Tuchman, a member of the group that\n developed DES at IBM is quoted as saying, ``We developed the DES\n algorithm entirely within IBM using IBMers. The NSA did not\n dictate a single wire!\'\' Tuchman and Meyer (another developer of\n DES) spent a year breaking ciphers and finding weaknesses in\n Lucifer. They then spent two years strengthening Lucifer. ``Their\n basic approach was to look for strong substitution, permutation,\n and key scheduling functions ... IBM has classified the notes\n containing the selection criteria at the request of the NSA....\n `The NSA told us we had inadvertently reinvented some of the deep\n secrets it uses to make its own algorithms,\' explains Tuchman.\'\'\n \n On the other hand, a document called ``Involvement of the NSA in\n the development of DES: unclassified summary of the United States\n Select Committee on Intelligence\'\', printed in the IEEE\n Communications Magazine, p53-55, 1978, states: ``In the development\n of DES, NSA convinced IBM that a reduced keysize was sufficient;\n indirectly assisted in the development of the S-box structures; and\n certified that the final DES algorithm was, to the best of their\n knowledge, free from any statistical or mathematical weakness.\'\'\n\n Clearly the key size was reduced at the insistence of the NSA.\n The article further states that the NSA did not tamper with the\n algorithm itself, just the parameters, which in some sense\n resolves the apparent conflict in the remarks of Meyer and Tuchman\n presented above.\n\n* Is DES available in software?\n\n Several people have made DES code available via ftp (see part 10 for\n pathnames): Stig Ostholm [FTPSO]; BSD [FTPBK]; Eric Young [FTPEY];\n Dennis Furguson [FTPDF]; Mark Riordan [FTPMR]; Phil Karn [FTPPK].\n A Pascal listing of DES is also given in Patterson [PAT87].\n\n FIPS 46-1 says "The algorithm specified in this standard is to be\n implemented ... using hardware (not software) technology. ...\n Software implementations in general purpose computers are not in\n compliance with this standard." Despite this, software\n implementations abound, and are used by government agencies.\n\n* Is DES available in hardware?\n\n The following paragraphs are quoted from messages sent to the editors.\n We don\'t vouch for the quality or even existence of the products.\n\n Chip Rosenthal says: ``Dallas Semiconductor makes a DES\n encryption/decryption device for use on standard, digital 64Kbps PCM\n telecom data streams. It is capable of processing data in real time,\n e.g. one sample/frame. It is the DS2160. Their phone number is\n 214-450-0400. You would probably need to talk with Dewight in Telecom\n marketing.\'\'\n\n Christian Franke, franke@informatik.rwth-aachen.de, says: ``1.\n Cryptech CRY12C102: 22.5Mbit/s according to Data Sheet, with 32 Bit\n interface. We use this one, because it was the only one available when\n we started the project. No problems ! 2. Pijnenburg PCC100: 20Mbit/s\n according to Data Sheet. Address: PIJNENBURG B.V., Boxtelswweg 26,\n NL-5261 NE Vught, The Netherlands. 3. INFOSYS DES Chip (Germany):\n S-Boxes must be loaded by software. So you can modify the Algorithm.\n Sorry, I don\'t have the data sheet handy. Please E-Mail me if you need\n further information.\'\'\n\n mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) says: "SuperCrypt" 100Mb/sec and faster\n DES and Proprietary Storage for 16 56-bit keys Key stream generator\n Integrated hardware DES3 procedure Extended mode with 112 bit keys;\n Computer Elektronik Infosys; 512-A Herndon Parkway,; Herndon, VA\n 22070; (800)322-3464\n\n thember@gandalf.ca (Tim Hember) says: Newbridge Microsystems sells\n an AM9568 compatible DES chip that operates at 25MHz, performs a\n round of encryption in 18 clocks, has a three-stage pipeline,\n supports ECB, CBC, CFB-8 and >>> CFB-1 <<<<. Further it is very\n reasonable priced as opposed to other high-end DES chips. Call\n Newbridge Microsystems, Ottawa, (613) 592-0714. (... there are no\n import/export issues with Canada and the US). If you require custom\n DES or Public Key ICs then Timestep Engineering developed\n Newbridge\'s crypto chips and ICs for other commercial and\n educational establishments. They can be reached at (613) 820-0024.\n\n* Can DES be used to protect classified information?\n\n DES is not intended to protect classified data. FIPS 46-1 says:\n "This standard will be used by Federal departments and agencies for\n the cryptographic protection of computer data when the following\n conditions apply: 1. ... cryptographic protection is required; and\n 2. the data is not classified according to the National Security Act\n of 1947, as amended, or the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended."\n\n* What are "ECB", "CBC", "CFB", and "OFB" encryption?\n\n These are methods for using block ciphers, such as DES, to encrypt \n messages, files, and blocks of data, known as "modes of operation."\n Four "modes of operation" are defined in FIPS 81 (1980 December 2), \n and also in ANSI X3.106-1983. \n\n FIPS 81 specifies that when 7-bit ASCII data is sent in octets, the\n unused most-significant bit is to be set to 1.\n FIPS 81 also specifies the padding for short blocks.\n\n The four DES modes of operation are: \n\tElectronic Code Book (ECB), \n\tCipher Block Chaining (CBC), \n\tK-bit Cipher FeedBack (CFB), and \n\tK-bit Output FeedBack (OFB).\n\n These methods are explained below in a c-language-like notation.\n\n Some symbols:\n\n P[n]\tThe n\'th block of plaintext, input to encryption, output from\n \tdecryption. Size of block determined by the mode.\n\n C[n]\tThe n\'th block of ciphertext, output from encryption, input to\n \tdecryption. Size of block determined by the mode.\n\n E(m)\tThe DES encryption function, performed on 64-bit block m, using\n \tthe 16-key schedule derived from some 56-bit key.\n\n D(m)\tThe DES decryption function, performed on 64-bit block m, using\n \tthe same key schedule as in E(m), except that the 16 keys\n \tin the schedule are used in the opposite order as in E(m).\n\n IV\tA 64-bit "initialization vector", a secret value which, along with\n \tthe key, is shared by both encryptor and decryptor.\n\n I[n]\tThe n\'th value of a 64-bit variable, used in some modes.\n R[n]\tThe n\'th value of a 64-bit variable, used in some modes.\n\n LSB(m,k) The k least significant (right-most) bits of m.\n \te.g. m & ((1 << k) - 1)\n\n MSB(m,k) The k most significant (left-most) bits of m.\n \te.g. (m >> (64-k)) & ((1 << k) - 1)\n\n = ^ << >> & operators as defined in the c langage.\n\n\n Electronic Code Book (ECB):\n\n \t P[n] and C[n] are each 64-bits long.\n\n \t Encryption:\t\t\tDecryption:\n \t C[n] = E(P[n])\t\tP[n] = D(C[n])\n\n\n Cipher Block Chaining (CBC):\n\n \t P[n] and C[n] are each 64-bits long.\n\n \t Encryption:\t\t\tDecryption:\n \t C[0] = E(P[0]^IV)\t\tP[0] = D(C[0])^IV\n (n>0)\t C[n] = E(P[n]^C[n-1])\t\tP[n] = D(C[n])^C[n-1]\n\n\n k-bit Cipher FeedBack (CFB):\n\n \t P[n] and C[n] are each k bits long, 1 <= k <= 64. \n\n \t Encryption:\t\t\tDecryption:\n \t I[0] = IV\t\t\tI[0] = IV\n (n>0)\t I[n] = I[n-1]<<k | C[n-1]\tI[n] = I[n-1]<<k | C[n-1]\t\n (all n) R[n] = MSB(E(I[n]),k)\t\tR[n] = MSB(E(I[n]),k)\n (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n]\t\tP[n] = C[n]^R[n]\n\n \t Note that for k==64, this reduces to:\n\n \t I[0] = IV\t\t\tI[0] = IV\n (n>0)\t I[n] = C[n-1]\t\t\tI[n] = C[n-1]\t\n (all n) R[n] = E(I[n])\t\tR[n] = E(I[n])\n (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n]\t\tP[n] = C[n]^R[n]\n\n CFB notes: Since I[n] depends only on the plain or cipher text from the\n previous operation, the E() function can be performed in parallel with\n the reception of the text with which it is used.\n\n\n k-bit Output FeedBack (OFB):\n\n \t P[n] and C[n] are each k bits long, 1 <= k <= 64. \n\n \t Encryption:\t\t\tDecryption:\n \t I[0] = IV\t\t\tI[0] = IV\n (n>0)\t I[n] = I[n-1]<<k | R[n-1]\tI[n] = I[n-1]<<k | R[n-1]\t\n (all n) R[n] = MSB(E(I[n]),k)\t\tR[n] = MSB(E(I[n]),k)\n (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n]\t\tP[n] = C[n]^R[n]\n\n \t Note that for k==64, this reduces to:\n\n \t I[0] = IV\t\t\tI[0] = IV\n (n>0)\t I[n] = R[n-1]\t\t\tI[n] = R[n-1]\t\n (all n) R[n] = E(I[n])\t\tR[n] = E(I[n])\n (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n]\t\tP[n] = C[n]^R[n]\n\n OFB notes: encryption and decryption are identical. Since I[n] is\n independent of P and C, the E() function can be performed in advance of\n the receipt of the plain/cipher text with which it is to be used.\n\n\n Additional notes on DES "modes of operation":\n\n ECB and CBC use E() to encrypt and D() to decrypt, but the feedback modes\n use E() to both encrypt and decrypt. This disproves the erroneous claim\n that systems which feature E() but not D() cannot be used for data\n confidentiality, and therefore are not subject to export controls.\n',
'From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)\nSubject: Re: New to Motorcycles...\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: kin.lap.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:\n:>Curtis JAckson pens...\n:>\n:>"MSF course...$140"\n:\n:Shyah!\n:\n:The one here only costs $35!\n:\n:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)\n\n\nThey are free in Philadelphia.... :-)\n\n-- \n \'81 CB650 \t\t\t\t\t\tDoD #1224\n\n\t I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!\n',
'From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nOrganization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes:\n>\n>What about Kekule\'s infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings\n>from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this\n>specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic\n>phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of\n>hypothesizing. \n\nI sometimes wonder if Kekule\'s dream wasn\'t just a wee bit influenced by\naromatic solvent vapors ;-) heh heh.\n\n\n-- \n=============================================================================\nNeal Howard \'91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)\n\t doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org\n\t Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac\'s.\n "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps\n we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule\' (1890)\n=============================================================================\n',
"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nOrganization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.\nLines: 32\n\n\nIn article <1r0ejoINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes:\n|> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote:\n|> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation \n|> : continue to persecute Jews? Why this hatred of Jews? The majority of\n|> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all \n|> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism\n|> : bandwagon.)\n|> \n|> Do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up? The most blatent\n|> persecution of the Jews in history was of course done by the Nazis before\n|> and during World War II, a predominately Lutheran crowd. Sure, many\n|> Muslims in the Middle East consider the Israelites to be a thorn in their\n|> side, but the most of the modern persecution of Jews has been at the hands\n|> of Christians (at least as far as I'm aware).\n|> \n|> Rob Lanphier\n|> lanph872@uidaho.edu\n\nDo you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian? I'd hardly\nclassify them as Christian. Do they follow the teachings of Christ? Love\none another. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your enemies. Is Jesus\nChrist their Lord and Saviour? By the persecution of Jews, they are violating\nall the precepts of what Christ died for. They are in direct violation of\nthe teachings of Christ. Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders\nof that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their\nsins. I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else.\nThe enemy is Satan, not our fellow man.\n\nGod be with you,\n\nMalcolm Lee :)\n",
'From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: Okidata printer for sale\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 20\n\nFellow netters,\n\nI have an Okidata printer I would like to sell. A description follows:\n\nOkidata 180 printer including cables for both IBM compatibles (Centronics\nparallel) and Commodore (RS-232 - round). Also includes power cable, manual,\nand a handful of computer paper to get you started. This is a 9-pin printer. \nI recently cleaned the printhead and installed a new ribbon. A print sample \ncan be provided upon request. This is a very dependable printer - it never\njams or does "weird" things. I have used it with a Commodore for about 3 years\nand am now using it with my 486sx. I use mainly WordPerfect 5.1 (see next\npost) for which I got a driver (at no charge) that directly supports the \nOkidata 180 in Epson FX mode. \n\nWhen I got the printer, it was selling for around $200-220 new (I got mine\nfrom Tenex brand new - for a Christmas present). I would like to get about\n$100 or so for it. If you are interested at all in it, please give me a ring\n(E-Mail) and make an offer.\n\n- Kevin Harter\n',
"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco.\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.153552.4334@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes:\n|> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes\n>\n> Well, Germany was hardly the ONLY country to discriminate against the \n> Jews, although it has the worst reputation because it did the best job \n> of expressing a general European dislike of them. This should not turn \n> into a debate on antisemitism, but you should also point out that Luther's\n> antiSemitism was based on religious grounds, while Hitler's was on racial \n> grounds, and Wagnmer's on aesthetic grounds. Just blanketing the whole \n> group is poor analysis, even if they all are bigots.\n\nI find these to be intriguing remarks. Could you give us a bit\nmore explanation here? For example, which religion is anti-semitic,\nand which aesthetic?\n\njon.\n",
'From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: Creating application contexts multiple times???\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 94\n\nThe subject does not describe the problem I am having very well. Please read\non...\n\nI am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget,\ndisplays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns. The\nproblem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems\nincluding (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things):\n\n- Core Dump\n- BadPixmap X Error\n- Widget not unmapped\n\n\nHere is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem:\n\n#include <X11/Xlib.h>\n#include <Xm/Xm.h>\n#include <Xm/PushB.h>\n\nvoid bla()\n{\n XtAppContext app;\n Display *dis = XOpenDisplay("");\n int junk = 0;\n\n Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, "test", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,\n NULL, NULL, 0);\n\n Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("blaaa", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,\n top,\n XmNheight, 50,\n XmNwidth, 50,\n NULL);\n\n XtRealizeWidget(top);\n //Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents\n for (int i=0;i<=10;i++)\n {\n XEvent event;\n XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);\n XtDispatchEvent(&event);\n }\n\n// WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE???\n XtUnrealizeWidget(top);\n XtDestroyWidget(top);\n XtDestroyApplicationContext(app);\n XCloseDisplay(dis);\n// ???\n}\n\nmain()\n{\n for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)\n bla();\n}\n\nNote that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example,\nafter 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program.\nWith this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent)\nthe 5th call to bla():\n\nX Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)\n Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC)\n Resource id in failed request: 0xe0000d\n Serial number of failed request: 71\n Current serial number in output stream: 86\n\nIf I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the\nseconds call.\n\nFurthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I\nget:\n\nWarning: Initializing Resource Lists twice\nWarning: Initializing Translation manager twice.\n\n\nSo finally, my question is this:\n\nWhat needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates\nan XtAppContext and widgets multiple times?\n\nAny help would be greatly appreciated.\n\nPLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group.\n\nThanks very much.\n\n-davewood\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen)\nSubject: To yhe one who wants fonts in POV/POLYRAY/VIVID\nLines: 28\nOrganization: Wageningen Agricultural University\nX-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0\n\nTo everyone who wants fonts in Vivid/POV/Polyray.\nThe Borland BGI font converter is VVFONT18.ZIP.\nThis program can be found on FTP.INFORMATIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE directory\npub/dkbtrace/utils.\nAlso WUARCHIVE has mirrored this site (directory graphics/graphics/mirrors/\nftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/pub/dkbtrace/utils.\nThere are more nice utilities present in this directory.\nA new version of Polyray 1.6 (for those asked for it) can be found on the \nsame sites but in the directory INCOMING instead of UTILS (PLY16386).\nAlso in this directory POVSHELL and PV3DV060 could be found.\nHave a nive raytrace time.\nPeter\n\n /*---------*\\*/*-------------------------------------------*\\\n *| ____/| *|* PETER.VANDERVEEN@VISSER.EL.WAU.NL |*\n *| \\ o.O| *|* Department of Genetics |*\n *| =(_)= *|* Agricultural University |*\n *| U *|* Wageningen, The Netherlands |*\n \\*---------*/*\\*-------------------------------------------*/\n',
"From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n>>Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n>\n>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.\n>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.\n\nThe Dividians didn't have that option after the FBI cut off their\nelectricity.\n\n-- \n Flag burners don't bother me as much as seeing the American flag on\ntanks assaulting the church of Americans who had never bothered anyone.\n",
'From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)\nSubject: Re: ATM\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:\n>\n>I\'ve been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use\n>ATManager. Lately, all the packages I\'ve been buying have all\n>included ATManager as a "bonus"\n>I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw.\n>Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff\n>types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a\n>decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4\n>Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the "Resolution Enhancement \n>Technology" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. \n>So good that there isn\'t any diff whether or not ATManager is turned\n>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these\n>better printer technologies ... and TT?\n\nATM will do nothing for your TrueType fonts. If your TrueType fonts are\nsufficient for your needs, don\'t run ATM. I have a lot of fonts that I can\ninstall either as Type-1 PostScript (under ATM) or as TrueType. I have\nnoticed that:\n\n 1.\tTrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1\n\tequivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware\n\tthat TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not\n\t(they are encrypted).\n\n 2.\tWith a 300 dpi laser printer, the "artificial bold" version of a\n\tTrueType font is indistingishable from the original, forcing me to\n\tinstall the actual bold (and bold-italic, etc.) variants if I want\n\tto use them. Type-1 PostScript fonts under ATM generate a visually\n\tdistinct bold variant from the base font. I realize that the\n\tartificial bold font that ATM generates is aesthetically inferior\n\tto the hand-generated bold TrueType variant, but it is sufficient\n\tfor my needs, and not having to install bold variants saves me 50%\n\ton disk space (uncompressed).\n\n--\nBob Nichols\nAT&T Bell Laboratories\nrnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com\n',
"From: ah499@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Daniels)\nSubject: HELP!: Apple II Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI recently bought an apparantly complete Expansion Chassis by Mountain\nComputer Inc. It consists of a box with 8 Apple ][+ compatible slots,\npowersupply brick, interface card and ribbon cable to attach it to the computer\nto be expanded. There was also included a small card with empty sockets on top\nand pins on the bottom that looks like it would plug into the ][+ motherboard\nsomewhere after pulling a chip. There's an empty socket also on the interface\ncard and a short 16-pin DIP jumper like the ones used with ][+ language cards.\n \nThis technological marvel came with no docs and I haven't a clue as how to hook\nthis thing up. If anyone has docs and/or users disk of any sort for this I\ncould really use copies of them or at least some help.\n \nI need to know:\n \no How to orient the ribbon cable between the card and the chassis.\no How to attach the short cable from the motherboard to the card\n and if the small card is used.\no The purposes of the various jumper-pins on the card (it has more\n of those than my CMS SCSI card!)\n \n \nthanks John Daniels\n ah499@cleveland.freenet.edu\n \n",
"From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)\nSubject: Re: Dodger Question\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 31\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu\n\nThe Dodgers have been shopping Harris to other teams in their\nquest for more left-handed pitching. So far, no takers.\nPersonally, I think Harris is a defensive liability, and he\nhas also led the team in past years for hitting into double\nplays, or at least been among the leaders.\n \nSharperson showed last year that if given a chance to play\nevery day, he can get the job done. If Sharpy played just\none base every day, say third, he'd also improve defensively.\n \nWallach has helped tremendously on defense, as has Reed.\nThe improved defense is quite noticeable and is having an\neffect on the pitching staff. Both Astacio AND Martinez\nwere bailed out in recent starts by great defensive plays.\nMartinez pitched into the ninth in a game that might\nhave seen him lifted in the third in past years.\n \nAstacio lasted 7 innings the other day under similar circumstances.\nThe Dodgers are turning double plays, and keeping more balls\nin the infield than last year. And Piazza has also been great\non defense. He has thrown out 10 of 14 batters trying to\nsteal and has at least one pick off at first.\n \nWallach, clearly, has contributed to the over all improvement on\ndefense. But his offense is awful and he has cost the Dodgers\nsome runs. But I don't think he is as bad as his current average.\nI suspect he will come out of this slump much as Davis and Straw\nseem to have come out of theirs.\n \nDodger\n\n",
"From: dye@lachman.com (Ken R. Dye )\nSubject: Re: Feedback requested on lowering '66 Mustang\nNntp-Posting-Host: london.i88.isc.com\nOrganization: Lachman Technology, Inc., Naperville, IL\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <X3XZ2B2w165w@vllyoak.resun.com> jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes:\n>I have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early \n>mustang. Installation envolves moving the upper A-arm and installation \n>of a wedge shaped spacer between the A-arm and ball joint. Apparently, \n>Shelby Mustangs did a similair modification, but left out the spacer.\n>\n>I would be interested in feedback, pro or con, on such a modification.\n\n\tI'm no mustang head, but don't the early ones have a simple\nstrut suspension (that is, with no upper A-arm)? Just a strut\ngoing down to a lower control arm (single bushing: not an A-arm), with a\ntension/compression rod locating it in the forward/backward direction?\n\n\tAnyway, simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using\nshorter springs, cutting the springs, lowering the spring perch or shortening\nthe strut below the perch. In each of these cases, the suspension geometry\nwill suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the\nintended angle. A spacer placed between control arm and the bottom\nof the strut (roughly the height of the reduction) will restore\nthe suspension geometry. IMHO, the kit that includes the spacer\nis the only way to go...\n\n--Ken\n-- \nKen R. Dye\t\t\t\tan optimist is a guy\t\t |\nLachman Technology, Inc., Chicago\tthat has never had\t\t | \n(708) 505-9555 x341\t\t\tmuch experience\t\t\t |\ndye@lachman.com\t\t\t\t\t\t\tarchy\t |\n",
'From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)\nSubject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD !\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 44\nNNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu\n\njrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n:Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms\n:\'deter\' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that\n:there are actually *few* cases where this is so. \n\nYou "think" wrong. Ask the FBI. They\'ve got the proof. Look it up.\n\n:The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary\n:opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who\n:would argue with you about a parking space, those who would\n:take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes.\n\nYou lie like a snake. The "vast majority" of the 200 MILLION firearms\nin this country are never used in anger. Your feelings notwithstanding.\n\n:Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. \n:In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms.\n:No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking,\n:than the \'criminal\'. This is your own fault. \n\nWe will overcome the kind of blind, pig-headed, utterly stupid idiocy that\nyou and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas. We\nwill make the truth be known, despite your best efforts to the contrary.\n\n:The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.\n\nThe Second Amendment won\'t be dead unless it is repealed. That won\'t happen.\n\nEVER.\n\nAccept this. Find another way to try and control other\'s lives, because we\nsee you for what you are, and we are not fooled.\n\nMike Ruff\n\n\n\n-- \n- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * *\nThose who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** *\n liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * *\n safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * **\n nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *\n',
"From: tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (ben elliston)\nSubject: Possible FAQ question about a UART\nLines: 25\n\nOrganization: Compact Solutions, Canberra ACT Australia\n\n > Hello, my question is could someone E-mail me the\n > names of manufactures\n > of the 16550 and predecsor UARTs. I have only seen\n\nNational Semiconductor are one that I know of.\n\nCheers,\nBen\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBen Elliston\nBachelor of Engineering (Computer Engineering)\nUniversity of Canberra\n\nEmail: tp923021@jarrah.canberra.edu.au\n\nAlso: ellib@cbr.cpsg.com.au\nUUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!sserve.adfa.oz.au!compsol!root\nFidoNet: 3:620/262\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nIf a train station is where the train stops, what's a workstation?!\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n * Origin: % Compact Solutions % Canberra ACT Australia % (3:620/262)\n",
'From: bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Bill Shymanski)\nSubject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed\nOrganization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607\nLines: 41\n\nkolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:\n\n> In article <734953838.AA00510@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.a\n> >\n> >If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, \n> >etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however \n> >for every other use you can buy a cheapie.\n> \n> My Beckman died a few days ago, thanks do about a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a\n> lab table. !@#!@$#!@$@#$ Probably not indicative of anything, but I\'ve\n> already filled out the requisition for a Fluke 87. :-)\n> \n> Oh yeah, and sometimes our measurements here do count. Not often, but often\n> enough that I want at least _one_ good meter!\n> \t\t\t\t\t---Joel Kolstad\n \nWe used to buy Beckman 110 and HD110 ("ruggedized") versions for use\nby electricians in the steel mill where I work. After a while we\ngot round to filling all the current-input jacks with silicone -\nelectricians have a regrettable habit of not checking where the last\nguy left the leads before using a 3 1/2 digit 0.5 % autoranging $400\nmeter to check if a fuse is good or not. Its very hard on meters\n(and electricians) when you put the milliamp shunt across a 600 volt\nbus. \n But that\'s not why we stopped buying Beckmans - after a while a \nlot of them got "funny" in the LCD display. A black stain would\nspread from one edge, or else they\'d come adrift from those\nZebra connectors and fail to operate. Now we buy Flukes, the\nlow-end 20 series mostly ( and we still fill the amp jack with \nsilicone). \n What the world needs is a meter that won\'t let you change ranges or\nturn it on/off with a lead stuck in the amps jack - a little bit of\nclever plastic detailing would take care of this and make the world\nsafer for electricans, anyway.\n Not that I\'ve ever put a meter on the wrong range into a live \ncircuit, no, not me...not more than a dozen times, anyway....\n Bill\n\n\nbills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca\nThe Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607\n',
"From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)\nSubject: Re: History question\nOrganization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex\nLines: 24\nReply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu\n\nOthers said:\n{early PA?}\n# I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification.\n# Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the\n# pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder\n# than a conventional phonograph. It tended to wear the disks out\n# pretty quickly though.\n\nAn now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had\nworked on during WWII.\n\nThey needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose\nwas to bellow at refugees from aircraft.\n\nTheir solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with\nparallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it\nworked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}.\n\n\n--\nA host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu\n& no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX\nUnless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433\nis busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433\n",
"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin\nFrom: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)\nDistribution: world,local\nOrganization: University of Arizona\nNntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nLines: 53\n\nIn article <C5p660.36t@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes...\n>In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:\n>>|> >|> \n>>|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally \n>>|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic\n>>|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more \n>>|> objective sources and isnt even accepted by those who's messiah this creature \n>>|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many\n>>|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of \n>>|> guano...\n>>\n>> Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring\n>> to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if\n>> you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and\n>> well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian,\n>> who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts\n>> are very much in harmony. \n> \n>Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the\n>Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical scholar I mean\n>an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let the\n>chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may otherwise be\n>defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. They are\n>not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others).\n> \n>Why an insert? Read it - I have, a number of times. The passage is glaringly\n>out of context, and Josephus, a superb writer, had no such problem elsewhere \n>in his work. The passage has *nothing* to do with the subject matter in which \n>it lies. It suddenly appears and then just as quickly disappears.\n\nI think this is a weak argument. The fact is, there are *two* references to\nJesus in _Antiquities of the Jews_, one of which has unquestionably at least\nbeen altered by Christians. Origen wrote, in the third century, that\nJosephus did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, while the long passage\nsays the opposite. There is an Arabic manuscript of _Antiquities of the\nJews_ which contains a version of the passage which is much less gung-ho\nfor Jesus and may be authentic.\n There is no question that Origen, in the third century, saw a reference\nto Jesus in Josephus. There are no manuscripts of _Antiquities_ which\nlack the references.\n\nIt is possible that it was fabricated out of whole cloth and inserted, but\nI don't think it's very likely--nor do I think there is a consensus in\nthe scholarly community that this is the case. (I know G.A. Wells takes\nthis position, but that's because he takes the very small minority view\nthat Jesus never existed. And he is a professor of German, not of\nbiblical history or New Testament or anything directly relevant to\nthe historicity of Jesus.)\n\nJim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU\nDept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET\nUniversity of Arizona\nTucson, AZ 85721\n",
'From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON?\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 27\n\nHal Heydt writes:\n\n>That was only the fall of the *Western* Empire. The *Eastern* Empire\n>continued for another 1000 years--and a key element in it\'s fall was\n>the *Christian* sack of Constantinople.\n\nNote that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire. The Roman Empire\nlasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople. The\nmain reason for it\'s fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by\nthe men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been\nexcommunicated down to the last man after attacking the Christian city\nof Zara in Croatia), but rather the disastorous defeat in the battle of\nMazinkert. After the Turks breached the frontier, it was only a matter\nof time before the Empire fell, the inability of the Empire to hold onto\nthe rim of Anatolia, with the Ottomans and Rum Seljuks in the middle\nshould be quite obvious to any student of history. The sack of\nConstantinople only hastened the inevitable along. For if the Greeks\nhad wanted to save their empire, why would they not cooperate with the\nCrusaders when they came to do battle with the Saracens in the 1st-3rd\nCrusades? Because of their obstinacy over cooperating with people they\nconsidered heretics, even though those "heretics" were fighting for the\ncause of the Empire and Christendom in doing battle with the Turkish\nhordes in Anatolia, Edessa, Lebanon, Palastine, and Syria, the some\nhordes who were to later sack Constantinople, and overrun a third of\nEurope (the Balkans, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.)\n\nAndy Byler\n',
"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston\nFrom: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>\nSubject: Re: ADC card for computer\nDistribution: world\nLines: 54\n\nIn article <1qi8e3$b5e@lll-winken.llnl.gov>, you say:\n>\n>I would like to digitize the output of a SQUID magnetometer (range -10 V\n>to +10 V) and do digital signal processing in a computer, say a Macintosh\n>II or a 486 PC. I would like a good 16 bit ADC with good linearity and a\n>high conversion speed, at least 50 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. Other concerns\n>\n>(2) Must I use an ADC external to my computer to avoid digital noise\n> feedback into my sensitive SQUID electronics?\n\nMight be a good idea... The resolution you requested is about 0.3mV\nIn order to get what you've paid for, noise level better be lower than\nthat. It is kind of hard to do it in a noisy box like you can expect\ninside a PC.\n\nBefore you pay $$$ for a PC card, test it out by sampling a low\ndistortion sine wave (I think there is a sine wave on a CD. Digital\nDomain ? There are possibly other low THD sources) Run the digitized\nwaveform through a FFT transform and take alook at the noise floor on\nthe spectrum. That's should give you a good indication of the design.\n(That's what I am doing to test a data acquistion system I have designed\n- I got the idea from MAXIM data sheet.)\n\nIf you can live with 14 bit resolution, I would recommend looking at\nthe MAX121 from MAXIM. It is a high speed (308KHz) complete\nsampling A/D with DSP interface. The input range is +/- 5V and it\nuses a serial interface (which can easily be optically isolated\nfrom the computer to elinimate a major noise source) The Analog design\nguide I got from them shows a -100db noise level. They claim a -77db\nmax (-85 typ.) THD. Looks pretty good for the $12 @ 1000 pieces\n\nA evaluation kit is available. Might want to give these nice folks a\ncall. 1-800-998-8800 or fax: (408)737-7194 and (408) 737-7600 ext4000\nfor application assistance.\n\nThis assumes that you can build your own DAS and write your own software.\n(Hey you can get the MAX121 as a free sample just by calling the 1-800 #)\n\n>I would appreciate discussion of your personal experience with a Mac or PC-\n>based ADC system.\n\nI would recommend you to find out the resolution that can be gotten out\nof your system by looking at the noise level, otherwise you might be\nthrowing out your money.\n\n>Charles Cunningham\n>cec@imager.llnl.gov\n\nK. C. Lee\nElec. Eng. Grad. Student\n\nI have no connection with MAXIM except I do in general recommend\ncompanies that give samples to students to others. I feel they\ndeserve that for being nice to me.\n",
'From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: Mary Ellen Carter Salvage Crew\nDistribution: na\nIn-Reply-To: jhesse@netcom.com\'s message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 01:36:41 GMT\nKeywords: Big Bubba Is Watching!\n\t<jhesseC5Ltt5.IMC@netcom.com>\nNntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <jhesseC5Ltt5.IMC@netcom.com> jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:\n Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal\n privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every\n aspect of our lives. \n Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for\n privacy technology. One small step at a time.\n\nRemember "Defend Firearms - Defeat Dukakis", followed by Bush\'s soon-after-\nelection support for gun-control? This is the Democrats\' version\n"Defend Free Speech - Reject Republicans" followed by speech control.\n\n Wait a minute.... Let me think about this.\n\n Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us\n this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We\'ve nothing to fear.\n They\'re here to help us. God bless America.\n \nHey, like the grrreat J.R. "Bob" Dobbs says, you\'ve got to pull the\nwool over your *own* eyes!\n\n--\n#\t\t\t\tPray for peace; Bill\n# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ\n#\t No, I\'m *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....\n# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461\n',
'From: 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca\nSubject: Re: Stop predicting\nOrganization: University of Western Ont, London\nNntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu>, cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes:\n> \n> It is really annoying to see all of these\n> predictions on the Net. Who really cares\n> who you think will win? Please stop with\n> the predictions, we all know the Caps are\n> going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.\n> \n> \nIn the words of Doktor Kultur, in the Ottawa Citizen,\n"Remember to unhook the Nitrous Oxide before you leave\nthe Dentist Chair!" 8^)\n\nGO JETS (for once, in the playoffs, please, I beg of you...)\nPaul Badertscher\n35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca\n\n',
'From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace)\nSubject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control?\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com\n\nIn article <C5JAtz.5G4@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:\n>...\n>Let\'s prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make\n>the assertion that "Well, I need to maintain my gun" let\'s make it\n>regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it\'s\n>only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home\n>from his computer operator job...\n>\n>NRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT\n>magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between\n>RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of \'What\n>if what\'s left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament\n>of the police?"\n>\n>Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed,\n>along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made\n>to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine.\n>...\n\nWe all know this will never happen. Because the Police are under the wings\nof Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens.\n\nGovernment pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than\nCitizens.\n\nI think we have a problem with our Government.\n',
"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nSubject: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 22\nReply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nKent:\n\n You say that\n\n>There are about 4-10 competing Rosicrucian orders existing today,\n ^^^^^^^^^\n>most of them are spin-offs from OTO and other competing organizations\n>from the 19th century France/Germany. Maybe I should write an article\n Please don't! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>about all this, I spent some time investigating these organizations\n>and their conceptual world view systems.\n\n Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have\nprobably spent more time than you doing the same. \n\n None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the\ncase. \n\nStudy Harder,\n\nTony\n",
'From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)\nSubject: Ellipse from Its Offset\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 17\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu\nKeywords: ellipse\n\n\nHi! Everyone,\n\nSince some people quickly solved the problem of determining a sphere from\n4 points, I suddenly recalled a problem which is how to find the ellipse\nfrom its offset. For example, given 5 points on the offset, can you find\nthe original ellipse analytically?\n\nI spent two months solving this problem by using analytical method last year,\nbut I failed. Under the pressure, I had to use other method - nonlinear\nprogramming technique to deal with this problem approximately.\n\nAny ideas will be greatly appreciated. Please post here, let the others\nshare our interests.\n\nYeh\nUSC\n',
'From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)\nSubject: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director\'s Statement...)\nOrganization: Northeastern Law, Class of \'93\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu\nIn-reply-to: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, \ncostley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) said:\n\n>> *sigh* I just DON\'T understand why they couldn\'t have waited Koresh&Co\n>> out. [jlpicard@austin.ibm.com]\n>\n> Uh, maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a\n> day to just sit and wait.\n\nYeah. We don\'t want to spend too much money preserving lives, after\nall. Escpecially when they\'re all just a bunch of crazy fanatic\ncultists anyway, instead of normal people.\n\n[The above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm, but I\'m too burned\nout right now (get it? "burned out" ha ha!) to tell if it\'s working.\nLook, folks, what David Koresh and his followers were was _broken_. It\ntakes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this\nworld and they didn\'t have enough of it and that wasn\'t their fault. So\nplease stop dancing on their graves, okay?]\n\n-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>\n\n',
'From: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed)\nSubject: Re: Desertification of the Negev\nOriginator: ahmeda@ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 23\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr26.021105.25642@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:\n|> This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say\n|> for sure that no Beduins were "moved" or harmed in any way. On the\n|> contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them\n|> now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are\n|> quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are\n|> good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population.\n|> \n|> All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson\'s\n|> poster, I have to say.\n|> \n|> -Danny Keren.\n|> \n\nIt is nonsense, Danny, if you can refute it with proof. If you are citing your\nexperience then you should have been there in the 1940\'s (the article is\ncomparing the condition then with that now).\n\nOtherwise, it is you who is trying to change the facts.\n\n-Ahmed.\n',
'From: then@snakemail.hut.fi (Tomi H Engdahl)\nSubject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit ~\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 17\n\t<laird.734044906@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu>\n\t<1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-11.hut.fi\nIn-reply-to: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au\'s message of 7 Apr 1993 05:26:18 GMT\n\nIn article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes:\n\n>Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 10V.\n>How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V.\n>On-hook = LED on\n>Off-hook = LED off.\n>Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know.\n\nNot recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when\ntelephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it.\n\n\n--\nTomi.Engdahl@hut.fi ! LOWERY\'S LAW:\nthen@niksula.hut.fi ! "If it jams - force it. If it breaks,\n ! it needed replacing anyway." \n* This text is provided "as is" without any express or implied warranty *\n',
'From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)\nSubject: Re: Donating organs\nArticle-I.D.: blue.8016\nOrganization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <19393@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>In article <1993Mar25.161109.13101@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes:\n>\n>>there been anything recent in "Transplant Proceedings" or somesuch, on \n>>xenografts? How about liver section transplants from living donors? \n>>\n>\n>I\'m sure the Pittsburgh group has published the baboon work, but I\n>don\'t know where. In Chicago they were doing lobe transplants from\n>living donors, and I\'m sure they\'ve published. \n\n\n\nThe case report of the first xenotransplant was published in Lancet 1993; 341:65-71.\nI can send you a reprint if you are interested.\nThere was another paper, sort of a tour of the horizon, written by Starzl and\npublished in the Resident\'s Edition of the Annals of Surgery (vol 216, October 1992).\nIt\'s in the Surgical Resident\'s Newsletter section, so you won\'t find it in the regular\nissue of the Annals. I don\'t have any reprints of that one.\nA paper has been accepted for publication by Immunology Today, though I\'m not sure\nwhen it\'s coming out, describing our experience with the two xenografts done to date.\n\n\nAs for segmental liver transplants from living related donors I must confess to a total\nignorance of that literature. We are philosophically opposed to those, and I don\'t keep \nup with that particular field.\n\n=====================================================\n\nHoward Doyle\ndoyle+@pitt.edu\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: \'SDPA\' has made "Armenian" synonymous with "idiot" or "criminal/Nazi".\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 208\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.000246.11186@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes:\n\n>In your (and Mutlu/Argic/Cosar\'s and thousands of others like you)\n\n\'SDPA.ORG\' criminals/Nazis in action. Your fascist government got away with \nthe genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying \nthe fruits of that genocide. And your criminal organization will not get away \nwith the genocide\'s cover-up. In June 1915, a major uprising took place in \nSebinkarahisar under the leadership of the famous Nazi Boyadjian. The Moslem \ndistricts were burnt down. Hundreds of soldiers and gendarmerie were killed\nand hundreds of civilians also perished.\n\n Armenians first of all occupied the Talori region, which included \n the villages of Siner, Simai, Gulli-Guzat, Ahi, Hedenk, Sinank,\n Ekind, Effard, Musson, Etek, Akcesser. Leaving their wives, \n children and property in these inaccessible spots, the Armenians \n joined forces with other armed bands coming from the Silvan \n districts in the plain of Mus, after which the whole body of\n 3000 men gathered in the Andok Mt. Five or six hundred wished\n to surround Mus, and started off by attacking the Delican tribe to\n the south of the city. They slaughtered a number of the tribe and\n seized their goods. The religious beliefs of the Muslims who fell\n into their hands were derided and disparaged, and the Muslims\n themselves murdered in the most frightful manner. The rebels\n also attacked the regular troops in the vicinity of Mus, but the\n large numbers of the regular forces prevented them from\n occupying the city.\n\n The rebels joined the bandits in the Andok Mts., carrying out\n the most frightful massacres and looting among the tribes of the\n neighbourhood. They burned Omer Agha\'s nephew alive. They\n raped a number of Turkish women at a spot three or four hours\'\n distance from Gulli-Guzat and then strangled them.\n\n At the beginning of August the rebels attacked the Faninar,\n Bekiran and Badikan tribes, perpetrating equally horrible\n atrocities. The rebels in the villages of Yermut and Ealigernuk in\n the nahiye of Cinan in the kaza of Cal attacked the Kurds in the\n neighbourhood, as well as the villages of Kaisser and Catcat.\n\n Towards the end of August, the Armenians attacked the\n Kurds in the vicinity of Mus and burned down three or four\n villages, including Gulli-Guzat. As for the 3000 rebels in Talori,\n they continued to spread death and destruction among the\n Muslims and other Christian communities, refusing to lay down\n their arms. \n\nSource: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History. Documentary Publications \n(Istanbul), 1988.\n\np. 954.\n\n"In his speech given at the Sivas Congress, Mustafa Kemal once again drew\n a picture of the country under occupation:\n\n In the East, the Armenians are making preparations for advancing to the\n River Halys (Kizilirmak), and have already started a policy of massacring\n the Moslem population."\n\n\npp. 966-967.\n\n"The situation of the southern provinces of Turkey after the signing of the\n Mudros Armistice is described by Ataturk in his speech:\n\n The Armenians in the south, armed by foreign troops and encouraged by the\n protection they enjoyed, molested the Mohammedans of their district. They \n pursued a relentless policy of murder and extinction everywhere. This was \n responsible for the tragic incident at Maras....the Armenians had completely \n destroyed an old Mohammedan town like Maras by their artillery and \n machine-gun fire.\n\n They killed thousands of innocent and defenceless women and children. The\n Armenians were the instigators of the atrocities, which were unique in\n history. \n\n \nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n "Document No: 15," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer \n No: 3, File No: 520, Section No: 2024, Contents No: 11-1; 11-3.\n (19 Feb 330 \'4 March 1915\', District Governor Kemal)\n\n"List of male inhabitants of Mergehu Village murdered or annihilated \n with the utmost savagery by Armenians:\n\n Names\t\t\t\tMethod of Annihilation\n -----\t\t\t\t----------------------\nHaci Ibrahim, son of Abdi\tBullets and bayonet\nAbdi, son of Haci Ibrahim\tBullets and bayonet\nReso, son of Abdi\t\tBeaten and cut into pieces\nSado, son of Omer\t\tBeaten and cut into pieces\nAso, son of Reso\t\tBeaten and cut into pieces\nKulu, son of Canko\t\tStabbed in the eye with a bayonet\nMusa, son of Canko\t\tBayonet in his eye\nEmin, son of Molla Hamit\tBayonet in his eye\nMolla Abdullah, son of Hamit\tBayonet in his eye\nIbo, son of Haci\t\tBayonet in his eye\nSado, son of Haci\t\tBayonet in his eye\nAbdullah, son of Canko\t\tSlaughtered\nIbo, son of Ahmet\t\tAbdomen ripped open\nIsmail, son of Ibo\t\tBurnt in fire\nMusto, son of Ozu\t\tBullets\nMahmut, son of Seyyo\t\tSlaughtered\nKocak, son of Birro\t\tBullets\nMusto, son of Husnu\t\tBullets\nUso, son of Alo\t\t\tBullets\nMaksut, son of Peri\t\tBullets\nHaci, son of Peri\t\tBullets\nMehmet, son of Hasanali\t\tBayonet \nIbo, son of Hasanali\t \tBayonet\nAbdo, son of Mehmed\t\tBayonet\nMolla Suleyman\t\t\tBurnt in oven\nMazgi, son of Abdullah\t\tStabbed in abdomen by bayonet\nSulis, son of Hasan\t\tBullets\nMahmo, son of Mehmet\t\tStabbed with a dagger\nMurat, son of Hasan\t\tStabbed with a dagger\nUso, son of Avci\t\tBlinded with a bayonet\nLesko, son of Mehmet\t\tStabbed with a dagger\nAbdullah, son of Kasim\t\tBullets\nCoban Abdullah\t\t\tBullets\nSeymo, son of Mumin\t\tBullets \nMuammer, son of Reso\t\tBullets\nPaso, son of Merzi\t\tBullets\nGulu, son of Bitor\t\tBullets\nMurat, son of Yusuf\t\tBullets and bayonet\nCedo, son of Haci Ibrahim\tBullets and bayonet\nFaki Mehmet\t\t\tBullets and bayonet\nSilo, son of Abdulcebbar\tBullets and bayonet\n\n\n List of massacred females from the same village:\n\nKasi, daughter of Huso and \nwife of Haci Ibrahim\t\tBullets\nFati, daughter of Isa,\nwife of Aduz\t\t\tBullets\nZeresan, daughter of Amat,\nwife of Reso\t\t\tBayonet\nGullu, daughter of Iyso\t\tCutting off her breasts\nSulnu, daughter of Sulo,\tRipping open her abdomen and burning\nwife of Ibo\t\t\ther baby in oven\nFatma, daughter of Ibo \t\tSlaughtered and burnt in oven\nFidan hatun\t\t\tBurnt in oven\nGulfizar, daughter of Hacihan, \nwife of Musto\t\t\tSlaughtered\nRahime, daughter of Mehmet, \nwife of Halil\t\t\tBullets\nBinefs, daughter of Haci Kerim,\nwife of Suleyman\t\tBurnt in oven\nMahiye, daughter of Ali, \nwife of Sivno\t\t\tSlaughtered\nHati, daughter of Haci, \nwife of Ahmet \t\tSlaughtered\nHacer, daughter of Meho\t\tBullet and bayonet\n\n\n List of Females of the same village raped and murdered:\n\nNadire, daughter of Haci, wife of Suvis\nHani, daughter of Kulu, wife of Zerko\nZaliha, daughter of Telli, wife of Silo\nArap, daughter of Sami, wife of Hilo\n\n Wounded males and females of the same village:\n\n (a long list)\n\n List of massacred males and females at Istuci village:\n\nMikail, son of Alo\t\tBullets\nMusto, son of Ismail\t\tBullets\nDervis, son of Maksut\t\tBullets\nAli, son of Nimet\t\tBayonet\nEsat, son of Kelo\t\tBayonet and bullets\nIsa, son of Nebi\t\tBayonet and bullets\nCevher, son of Gani\t\tBeaten by rifle butt\nZiro, daughter of Hasan\t\tDied from injuries\nHazal, daughter of Ali, \nwife of Acem\t\t\tDied from injuries\nHamsa, daughter of Huseyin,\nwife of Huseyin\t\t\tDied from injuries\n\n \n List of raped women at Istuci village in life:\n\nSabo, daughter of Maho\t\tVirgin\nMiri, other daughter of Maho\tVirgin\nEmine, daughter of Meho, wife\nof Sofi Salih\nSahap, daughter of Ali, wife \nof Nevruz\nGullu, daughter of Mahi\t\tVirgin\n\n\n List of persons attacked by Armenian gangs:\n\n (a long list)"\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)\nSubject: Re: Gospel Dating\nLines: 73\n\nBenedikt Rosenau writes:\n\n>The argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in\n>the almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are\n>considered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and\n>not an entirely different source.\n\nAssuming you are presenting it accurately, I don\'t see how this argument\nreally leads to any firm conclusion. The material in John (I\'m not sure\nexactly what is referred to here, but I\'ll take for granted the similarity\nto the Matt./Luke "Q" material) IS different; hence, one could have almost\nany relationship between the two, right up to John getting it straight from\nJesus\' mouth.\n\n>We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual\n>explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider\n>their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke\n>that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark).\n\nThe version of the "usual theory" I have heard has Matthew and Luke\nindependently relying on Mark and "Q". One would think that if Luke relied\non Matthew, we wouldn\'t have the grating inconsistencies in the geneologies,\nfor one thing.\n\n>As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke\'s text. The evidence\n>for that is not overwhelming, admittedly.\n\nThis is the part that is particularly new to me. If it were possible that\nyou could point me to a reference, I\'d be grateful.\n\n>>Unfortunately, I haven\'t got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late\n>>\'70s or early \'80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200.\n\n>When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on\n>putting John after the rest of the three?\n\nBecause it closes up the gap between (supposed) writing and the existing\ncopy quit a bit. The further away from the original, the more copies can be\nwritten, and therefore survival becomes more probable.\n\n>>And I don\'t think a "one step removed" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark\n>>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really\n>>cannot believe in the sort of "big transformation from Jesus to gospel" that\n>>some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better\n>>information than this.\n\n>>And if John IS a diciple, then there\'s nothing more to be said.\n\n>That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language\n>together with the theology are usually used as counterargument.\n\nI\'m not really impressed with the "theology" argument. But I\'m really\npointing this out as an "if". And as I pointed out earlier, one cannot make\nthese arguments about I Peter; I see no reason not to accept it as an\nauthentic letter.\n\n\n>One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that\n>to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies.\n\nThe best analogy would be reporters talking to the participants, which is\nnot so bad.\n\n>In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like\n>and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak.\n\nBut the statement of divinity is not in that section, and in any case, it\'s\nagreed that the most important epistles predate Mark.\n-- \nC. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,\n + but strife closed in the sod.\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:\ntove!mangoe + the marv\'lous peace of God."\n',
'From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)\nSubject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk\nOriginator: young@sasquatch\nNntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch\nReply-To: young@serum.kodak.com\nOrganization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:\n>\n>Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks \n>associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens \n>are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function \n>of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of \n>the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish \n>to know more. Thanks. \n\n From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff, \n Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991\n (ISBN #0-06-272007-4):\n\n\t"The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use\n\t enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the\n\t barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is \n\t absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form,\n\t has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However,\n\t in order to experience the same results, people would have to\n\t consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a\n\t time."\n\n\n-Rich Young (These are not Kodak\'s opinions.)\n',
"From: folta@zen.holonet.net (Steve Folta)\nSubject: Re: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170\nNntp-Posting-Host: zen.holonet.net\nOrganization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem\nLines: 13\n\naep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) writes:\n> I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to \n>make it wake up with SetWUTime().\n\nThe PowerBook 170 hardware doesn't have a wakeup timer. Nor does the 140.\nThe Mac Portable had one, and I think the PowerBook 100 had one. I don't\nknow about the newer PowerBooks, but I kind of doubt it. I got bit by\nthis too, and it took my a while rooting around on the developer CD\nbefore I found this out.\n\nSteve Folta\nfolta@well.sf.ca.us\n\n",
'From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Department of Mathematical Sciences\nLines: 38\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu\n\nIn article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com>\n\ttcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:\n>\n>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much\n>worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper"\n>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main\n>concern of most of us, I think. The camel\'s nose in the tent, etc.)\n>\n\n\tNot to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn\'t this\nkind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor\nwill surely follow, and before you know it, we\'re all mining salt\nin Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings.\n\n\tSurely the hypothesis relying on the least wild assumptions is\nto take this at face value. Our lads at the fort were asked to cook up\nsomething that\'s pretty secure, with a key that can be escrowed neatly,\nand they did. The government plans to sell this thing, for the reasons\nthey state. Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some\neffort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in\nthe FBI decide they want to persecute you, they\'re gonna, and you\'re\ngonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn\'t want to listen to your phone\ncalls, and if they do, and if you\'re using triple-DES, they\'ll just\nget a parabolic microphone and point it at your head.\n\n\tThis is pretty clearly an effort by the government to do exactly\nwhat they\'re saying they\'re doing. As is typical with governments,\nit\'s mismanaged, and full of holes and compromises. As is typical\nwith our government, it\'s not too bad, could be worse.\n\n\tMy interpretation.\n\n\tAndrew\n\n>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n\tIsn\'t this just a little melodramatic?\n',
'From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nSubject: Seagate 125MB IDE Jumper question\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\n\nSince the losers that sold me the hard disk for my computer are\nso generous, I need the info to set this drive from master to\nslave. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please reply via e-mail.\n\nIncidentally, avoid purchasing a computer from ACS in Endicott, NY.\n\n\nJeff\n****************************************************************\n* Four out of five electrons prefer holes for their mutual *\n* annhiliation needs. Boycott Sierra. Ignore anybody who *\n* purports to be a serious Windows user. Support new makers *\n* of hardware and software. Buy Canadian music. Quit smoking. *\n* Take up running. FM synthesis is the CGA of audio. *\n* JKS4675@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU *\n****************************************************************\n',
"From: gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC)\nSubject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ?\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 31\n\nkasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes:\n\n>wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes:\n\n\n\n>> Hey,\n\n>> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse\n>> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use\n>> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any\n>> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations.\n\n>> Thanks for your efforts,\n\n>> Oliver\n>>-- \n>> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart\n>> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31\n>> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80\n>> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de\n\n>Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS\n>before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded\n>to use the mouse in Windows.\n\nOne addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my\n(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the\ndriver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do\nit for some reason.\n\n",
'From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results)\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.124012.3383@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:\n>>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\n>>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\n>>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do\n>>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\n\n\n>Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow\n>the Devils, anyway? Jeez....\n\n\tSigh.\n\tThis was written about the game NHLPA Hockey \'93. Which does not\nhave precise up-to-date rosters. Why don\'t people think before they post?\nJeez...\n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS! ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n',
"From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)\nSubject: Re: Camping question?\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com\n\nIn article 10823@bnr.ca, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:\n\n>\n>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up\n>water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my\n>RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs \n>above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.\n\nOn my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel\nwith a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling\nand pour out a cup of hot water.\nI used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter.\n\n(-:\n\n #################################\n _ # Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM #\no_/_\\_o # #\n (O_O) # Sun Microsystems, #\n \\H/ # Coventry, England. #\n U # (44) 203 692255 #\n # DoD#226 GSXR1100L #\n #################################\n Keeper of the GSXR1100 list.\n\n\n",
'From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nSubject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 35\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1qnpa6INN8av@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n>>Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very \n>>painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine.\n>\n>Well, most hangings are very quick and, I imagine, painless.\n\n\tI think this is a misnomer.\n\n>\n>>Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those \n>>days ], etc. \n>>All would be considered cruel under your definition.\n>>All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers.\n>\n>And, hangings and firing squads are allowed today, too. And, if these\n>things were not considered cruel, then surely a medical execution\n>(painless) would not be, either.\n\n\tBut, this just shows then that painful execution is not considered \n"cruel" and unusual punishment. This shows that "cruel" as used in the \nconstitution does NOT refer to whether or not the punishment causes physical \npain.\n\tRather, it must be a different meaning.\n\n--- \n\n " I\'d Cheat on Hillary Too."\n\n John Laws\n Local GOP Reprehensitive\n Extolling "Traditional Family Values."\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: steinark@edb.tih.no (Steinar Kleven)\nSubject: Re: Windows Help\nNntp-Posting-Host: beta.edb.tih.no\nOrganization: Trondheim College of Engineering\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 38\n\nMario Veraart (mveraart@fel.tno.nl) wrote:\n: umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes:\n\n: >Hi, it\'s an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I\'d appreciate any help.\n\n: >We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don\'t have\n: >Windows Software Developer\'s Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build\n: >a .HLP file around Windows\' help engine, I hope it won\'t be that complicated?\n: >Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an\n: >on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated,\n: >would you help to point out what I would need to do it?\n: >-- \n\n\n: >Vincent Q. Yin\n: >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca\n\n: Hi,\n\n: If you have developed your own windows application you must have a \n: SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to \n: compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files.\n\n****-------> No, U can download what??.zip from ftp.cica.indiana.edu\n This package from MS is all U need to buid (simple?) .HLP\n files from Rich Text Format Files (.RTF). This package\n also contains .DOT tamplates for MS Word4Win.\n \n: RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W.\n\n: If this is not the solution be more specific about your application.\n\n: Mario\n: -- \n: Mario Veraart TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory\n: email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl The Hague The Netherlands\n: "If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, \n: and don\'t talk about performance", David Bailey\n',
'From: drohand@cad.gmeds.com (Dominic Drohan)\nSubject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it???\nOrganization: EDS/Cadillac\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cve385.ttp.cad.gmeds.com\n\n>\tAnyway, don\'t expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to \n ^^^^^\n My understanding was that Chicago **was** DOS 7.\n\n>be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won\'t \n>be out >til \'96.\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n| Dominic Drohan EMAIL: drohand@cad.gmeds.com |\n| Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6315 |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n| "If you\'d like to talk for hours . . just go ahead now" |\n| \t\t\t - The Spin Doctors |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n| NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, |\n| and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n',
"From: tom_van_vleck@taligent.com (Tom Van Vleck)\nSubject: Re: looking for one-way (trap-door, password encryption, etc.) algorithms\nOrganization: -\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 21\n\nMichael Levin wrote:\n> I am looking for references to algorithms which can be used for\n> password encryption. I.e., someone has a clear-text word, runs it\n> through the algorithm, and it becomes some other sequence of symbols.\n> I want this algorithm to have the property that it is a) next to\n> impossible to reverse, and b) would take too long to try all possible\n> words to see which one works (even by use of a high-speed computer).\n> Please send references or ideas to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.\n\nThe original one-way encryption I put into Multics about 1968 (as suggested\n\nby Joe Weizenbaum) was invertible. An Air Force tiger team demonstrated \nthis to me in May 1973. I then asked an expert (who requested anonymity) \nwhat I should use instead; the expert's suggestion was to treat the \n8-byte password as both key and data for the LUCIFER encryption algorithm, \nwhich is similar or identical to DES. This method or something stronger \nshould take care of (a). Issue (b) is discussed in comp.security.misc: \nlonger passwords and quality control on what users can choose as passwords\nare the common tactics.\n\ntom_vanvleck@taligent.com\n",
"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)\nSubject: Re: Space Research Spin Off\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com\nReply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com\nOrganization: TI/DSEG VAX Support\n\n\nIn article <1psgs1$so4@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>|\n>|The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using\n>|them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other\n>|hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance\n>|to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base\n>|can't do.\n>|\n>\n>What do you mean? Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh joints?\n>\n>You'll have to enlighten us in the hinterlands.\n\nNo, they fold on the dotted line. Look at pictures of carriers with loads of\na/c on the deck, wings all neatly folded.\n--\nDillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the\nTI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated.\n(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) |\n(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |God gave us weather so we wouldn't complain\npyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |about other things.\nPADI DM-54909 |\n\n",
'From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 33\n\n>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:\n>> >In article <C5ELME.4z4@unix.portal.com> jdoll@shell.portal.com (Joe Doll) wr\n>> >> "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-\n>> >> tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for \n>> >> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien-\n>> >> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, \n>> >> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. \n>> >\n>> >> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) \n>> >> mailing address.\n>> \n>> Don\'t bother - it never comes. It\'s a cheap trick for building a\n>> mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.\n>> \n>> -andy sent his address months ago\n>\n>Perhaps we can get Portal to nuke this weasal. I never received a \n>catalog either. If that person doesn\'t respond to a growing flame, then \n>we can assume that we\'yall look forward to lotsa junk mail.\n\nI don\'t want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has\nbeen much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I\'d known\nwhat I was going to get, I wouldn\'t have hesitated. I wouldn\'t be\nsurprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said\n"nope" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results.\nSimilarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who\naren\'t happy with the junk they got instead.\n\nThe folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and\nso would the people reading it.\n\n-andy\n--\n',
'From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood)\nSubject: Orchid P9000 vs Fahrenheit (mini review)\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 79\n\n\nI just purchased a Viewsonic 17 and and Orchid P9000. In short, I am happy\nwith the monitor and unhappy with the card. I have spent a lot more time\nfutzing with the card, so that is what I am going to write about. The monitor\nis pretty. The moires I had under Simcity on my 17" Magnavox went away. It\nisn\'t as heavy as I thought it would be (45 lbs, I think). So much for the\nmonitor. On to the bitch session and test results.\n\nIn going with the modern trend, the Orchid P9000 card only supports 16 colors\nin 640x480 mode without a driver. Of course, this breaks any DOS program\nwhich uses SVGA modes (like most of my CD-ROMs). The Compudyne Whiplash VGA,\nOrchid Fahrenheit 1280, and Orchid F. VLB all share this limitation. Those\nare all S3 cards, which means it is an S3 problem for them (the P9000 uses\na Weitek VGA chip which also doesn\'t support them). The Hercules Graphite\ncard does seem to have these modes, but I didn\'t run the same test cases as\nI did on the other boards during the brief time I had it. It was able to\nprint the splash screen for the Grolier\'s Encyclopedia, though, which the S3\ncards just printed as hash, which is why I suspect the SVGA modes are supported.\n\nThe supported resolutions really annoy me. You can do 1280x1024 at 75Hz if\nyou tell the driver you have an NEC 5FG (they only have about six monitors\nlisted plus \'Generic\', and if you choose Generic you can\'t get any high\nrefreshes at ALL). But at 1024x768 you are limited to 70Hz. Seems to me\nthat the hardware should be able to support the bandwidth (if it can do 75Hz\nat 1280 it sure should be able to do it at 1024!). Higher vertical resolution\nwas the main reason I bought the card over the Orchid F. VLB I currently have,\nand it will do 1024x768x70 Hz as well.\n\nThe higher graphics modes all crash HP Dashboard. I just got off the phone\nwith Orchid, and with the 1.1 drivers (I don\'t know what I have) he was unable\nto recreate the problem. On the plus side, their tech rep was as helpful as\nhe could be and booted up the program on his computer to verify he didn\'t have\nthe problem. He didn\'t know why they limited the refresh to 70 Hz either.\n\nThe board is faster that the OFVLB for most things according to the Hercules\nSpeedy program. This program tests various operations and reports the results\nin pixels/second. I don\'t have the numbers for the Graphite card, but they\nwere close to half of the OFVLB (ie, slower) but that was running in a 20MHz\n386, ISA, so the numbers aren\'t really comparable. The following numbers\nwere all obtained using a 486, 33 MHz, AIR motherboard (UMC chipset), with\n8 MB memory. I give ranges because the program reports the numbers as it\ncomputes them, and these tend to jump around a bit.\n\n\nK means thousand (not 1024), M means million, pixels per second\n\n Orchid Fahrenheit VLB Orchid P9000\nChip S3 805 Weitek 9000\nDIB to Screen 182K - 190K 228K - 240K\nMemory to Screen 5.9M - 6.2M 8.4M - 8.9M\nScreen to Screen 14M - 14.8M 29M - 30.8M\nVector, solid 2.4M 2.8M - 2.9M\nVector, styled 55K - 58K 449K - 473K\nPolygon, shaded 1.8M - 2.1M 1.6M - 1.9M\nPolygon, hatched 6.9M - 7.9M 1.3M - 1.7M\nTernary Rops 1.9M - 2.4M 477K - 520K\nFont 130K - 160K 46K - 55K / 1.2M\n\nThe DIB to Screen test takes a device independent bitmap of a face and transfers\nit to the screen. I have no idea what is being done internally as far as\nconversions go. The memory to screen takes the same face and copies it to\nthe screen, my guess is after it has been rasterized into a bitmap that can\njust be copied to the video display. The screen to screen test copies that\nface from place to place on the screen. Awesome! Interestingly, the solid\nvectors and shaded polygons show no improvement, and hatched polygons (ie,\nfilled with cross-hatching) and Ternary Rops (whatever they are. Graphics\noperations like XORs maybe????) are a dead loss on the 9000. I give two\nnumbers for the 9000 fonts, because I think they are caching.\nWhen the fonts are first drawn on the screen they are done fairly slowly --\n1/3 the speed of the OFVLB. Then the speed increases dramatically. Sounds\nlike programming to a benchmark to me....\n\nI make no claims that these numbers mean anything at all. Its just what\nI saw when I ran them on my computer. I normally don\'t write disclaimers,\nbut this time maybe I\'d better. My testing is totally unconnected with my\nwork (I program under UNIX on Decstations) is done completely without the\nknowledge, blessing, or equipment of my company.\n\ngeoff sherwood\n',
"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)\nSubject: Double sonic booms.\nOriginator: news@nimaster\nNntp-Posting-Host: luma.princeton.edu\nOrganization: Princeton University\nLines: 16\n\nEvery time you read about a shuttle landing they mention the double sonic \nbooms. Having taken various relevant classes, I have several ideas of where \nthey come from, but none of them are very convincing. Exactly what causes \nthem? Are they a one time pheneomenon, or a constant one like the supersonic \nshockwave that is constantly produced by a plane, but you hear only when it \ngoes over you?\n\n---\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, |\n| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human |\n| | stupidity, and I'm not sure |\n| | about the former. - Einstein |\n| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------|\n| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra |\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1r4cucINNham\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.231050.2196@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) writes:\n>Brian Day (bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:\n>: On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector\n>: in the state of Virginia. If one got caught, one got fined $65.00.\n\n>The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to\n>operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including\n>X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States. \n\n\tAnd the Commonwealth of Virginia has not exactly butted\nagainst the issue on those grounds. The claim is that AS A MATTER\nOF TRAFFIC SAFETY one is not allowed to have a functioning radar\ndetector on the dashboard while operating a motor vehicle.\n\n\tYes, the argument is bogus, BUT... it hasn't been successfully\nchallenged in court. Yet.\n\n\tJohn Whitmore\n",
'From: liny@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (Nemo)\nSubject: Bates Method for Myopia\nReply-To: lin@ray.met.fsu.edu\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: SCRI, Florida State University\nLines: 22\n\nDoes the Bates method work? I first heard about it in this newsgroup \nseveral years ago, and I have just got hold of a book, "How to improve your\nsight - simple daily drills in relaxation", by Margaret D. Corbett, \n(\'Authorized instructor of the Bates method), published in 1953. It \ntalks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise. Has there been\nany study on whether this method actually works? If it works, is it by \nactually shortening the previously elongated eyeball, or by increasing \nthe lens\'s ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the \ntoo-long eyeball?\n\nSince myopia is the result of eyeball elongation, seems to me the most\nlogical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process,\ni.e., shorten it somehow (preferably non-surgically). Has there been\nany recent studies on this? Where can I find them? I know RK works by \nchanging the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of \neyeball, but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the \neyeball back to its correct length that would be even better (Bates\'s \nidea, right?)\n\nThanks for any information.\n\n\n',
"From: hildjj@jupiter.fuentez.COM (Joe Hildebrand)\nSubject: Re: question regarding overlaying of graphics\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 30\nTo: venkatg@grace.cs.orst.edu (Gopal Venkatraman)\nCc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\n> Let's say I have two rectangles on the canvas(see above) \n> one intersecting the other...\n> Now, I would like to delete one of the rectangles.\n> The way I do it is to create another GC wherein I use the\n> GXxor logical function and simply redraw the rectangle using the\nnewly\n> created graphics context thus deleting it for all apparent purposes.\n> A problem with this approach is that at the points of intersection\nthe pixel \n> locations belonging to the other rectangle also become white, which\nis \n> something that should be avoided.\n\nYou could set up a bitmap with a mask in it. Clear the\nbitmap, draw the rectangle to be deleted with GXor. Draw the one\nthat is to stay with GXclear. Then GXxor the entire pixmap with\nthe screen. \n\nNote that this is a pretty effective way of animation, if you ever\nneed to do that (replace the GXclear with a GXxor).\n\n----------\nJoe Hildebrand\nhildjj@fuentez.com\nSoftware Engineer\nFuentez Systems Concepts\n(703)273-1447\n\nStandard disclaimers apply\n",
'From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)\nSubject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle\nKeywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian\nNntp-Posting-Host: scgraph.afit.af.mil\nOrganization: Air Force Institute of Technology\nLines: 21\n\nThe most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are\ncarried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when\npossible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this\nsystem. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current\nelements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial\nBBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using\n8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.\n\nElement sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation\nand software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil\n(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.\n\nSTS 56 \n1 22621U 93 23 A 93105.06179397 .00044513 00000-0 12649-3 0 230\n2 22621 57.0022 147.2850 0004246 288.7332 38.0941 15.92991629 1084\n1993 023B \n1 22623U 93 23 B 93103.37312705 .00041032 00000-0 11888-3 0 86\n2 22623 57.0000 155.1150 0004422 293.4650 66.5967 15.92653917 803\n--\nDr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations\ntkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology\n',
'From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Please help identify video hardware\nArticle-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqep5INN88e\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nI need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will\ntake two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template.\nThe template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal\none being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior.\nBut I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want\nto exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists\nfor NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB.\n\nPlease email and or post any leads....\n\nGordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com)\n',
'From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)\nSubject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 40\n\necktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:\n\n>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 \n>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion \n>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can\'t click \n>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to \n>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly \n>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump \n>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have \n>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? \n\nTry this: flip your mouse over, and open up the cover that holds the\nmouse ball in place. Remove the ball, and inside you should see\n(probably) 3 rollers. If any of the rollers have a tiny layer of\ncaked-on dirt, dust, or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them, carefully\nscrape it off with a small knife (Xacto works great). *Be Careful*\nYou do not want to gauge the rollers, just clean off the dirt.\nPut the ball back in, put the cover on, and there you are. \n\nI clean a couple of dozen of these every month here. Another symptom\nis that when you move the mouse, it seems to "click" along. If this\ndoesn\'t solve your problem, at least you have a clean mouse. I highly\nrecommend using a proper _soft_ mouse pad, and if you are a clean freak,\nplace it in your drawer every night or when you don\'t use it to keep\nthe dust off.\n\nPersonally I prefer track balls. Oh, which brings me to another point:\nif your mouse or trackball tracks optically, and the sunlight is \nstreaming through the window onto your mouse/trackball, you may notice\nthat it will stop working. If this happens to you, close the curtains\nor blinds, or simply shade your pointing device, and see if that helps.\n\n-- \n Peter Goudswaard _________ _________\n goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\\__ | |\n pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \\ / | |\n pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\\_\\ /_/\\_ | |\n | | > < | |\n "There\'s no gift like the present" | >_________< | |\n - Goudswaard\'s observation |_________| | |_________|\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Traditional and Historical Armenian Barbarism (Was Re: watch OUT!!).\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 106\n\nIn article <21APR199314025948@elroy.uh.edu> st156@elroy.uh.edu (Fazia Begum Rizvi) writes:\n\n>Seems to me that a lot of good muslims would care about those terms.\n>Especially those affected by the ideology and actions that such terms\n>decscribe. The Bosnians suffering from such bigotry comes to mind. They\n>get it from people who call them \'dirty descendants of Turks\', from\n>people who hate their religion, and from those who don\'t think they are\n>really muslims at all since they are white. The suffering that they are\n\nLet us not forget about the genocide of the Azeri people in \'Karabag\' \nand x-Soviet Armenia by the Armenians. Between 1914 and 1920, Armenians \ncommitted unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of \ndespotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned \nthem, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound \nhand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated \npersonal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most \nunbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history.\n \n\nAREF SADIKOV sat quietly in the shade of a cafe-bar on the\nCaspian Sea esplanade of Baku and showed a line of stitches in\nhis trousers, torn by an Armenian bullet as he fled the town of\nHojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope.\n\n"I\'m still wearing the same clothes, I don\'t have any others,"\nthe 51-year-old carpenter said, beginning his account of the\nHojali disaster. "I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to\nbe alive."\n\nMr Sadikov and his wife were short of food, without electricity\nfor more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12\ndays. They sensed the Armenian noose was tightening around the\n2,000 to 3,000 people left in the straggling Azeri town on the\nedge of Karabakh.\n\n"At about 11pm a bombardment started such as we had never heard\nbefore, eight or nine kinds of weapons, artillery, heavy\nmachine-guns, the lot," Mr Sadikov said.\n\nSoon neighbours were pouring down the street from the direction\nof the attack. Some huddled in shelters but others started\nfleeing the town, down a hill, through a stream and through the\nsnow into a forest on the other side.\n\nTo escape, the townspeople had to reach the Azeri town of Agdam\nabout 15 miles away. They thought they were going to make it,\nuntil at about dawn they reached a bottleneck between the two\nArmenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak.\n\n"None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by\na car on the road, and the Armenian outposts started opening\nfire," Mr Sadikov said.\n\nAzeri militiamen fighting their way out of Hojali rushed forward\nto force open a corridor for the civilians, but their efforts\nwere mostly in vain. Mr Sadikov said only 10 people from his\ngroup of 80 made it through, including his wife and militiaman\nson. Seven of his immediate relations died, including his\n67-year-old elder brother.\n\n"I only had time to reach down and cover his face with his hat,"\nhe said, pulling his own big flat Turkish cap over his eyes. "We\nhave never got any of the bodies back."\n\nThe first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire.\nOne hero of the evacuation, Alif Hajief, was shot dead as he\nstruggled to change a magazine while covering the third group\'s\ncrossing, Mr Sadikov said.\n\nAnother hero, Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali, said he and\nseveral others spent the whole day of 26 February in the bushy\nhillside, surrounded by dead bodies as they tried to keep three\nArmenian armoured personnel carriers at bay.\n\nAs the survivors staggered the last mile into Agdam, there was\nlittle comfort in a town from which most of the population was\nsoon to flee.\n\n"The night after we reached the town there was a big Armenian\nrocket attack. Some people just kept going," Mr Sadikov said. "I\nhad to get to the hospital for treatment. I was in a bad way.\nThey even found a bullet in my sock."\n\nVictims of war: An Azeri woman mourns her son, killed in the\nHojali massacre in February (left). Nurses struggle in primitive\nconditions (centre) to save a wounded man in a makeshift\noperating theatre set up in a train carriage. Grief-stricken\nrelatives in the town of Agdam (right) weep over the coffin of\nanother of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll\nhas been complicated because Muslims bury their dead within 24\nhours.\n\nPhotographs: Liu Heung / AP\n Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter\n\nTHE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/\'92\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n',
'From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nReply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NOT\nLines: 25\n\nvech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:\n]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking\n]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first\n]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this" \n\nI admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in \nthe most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get.\n\n]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?\n]I though I still had mine, but I dunno... \n\nI think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article.\nyou seem to forget that you\'ve stepped into the political arena. as well\nintentioned as you may intend something you\'re walking through a china\nstore carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something\nabout how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don\'t\nhave to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted\njokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight.\n\nOBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-)\n\n-- \nJoe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org\nAustin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org\nTexas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org\n',
"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nSubject: klonopin and pregnancy\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis\nReply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nLines: 17\n\nA(> From: adwright@iastate.edu ()\nA(> A woman I know is tapering off klonopin. I believe that is one of the\nA(> benzodiazopines. She is taking a very minimal dose right now, half a tablet\nA(> a day. She is also pregnant. My question is Are there any known cases where\nA(> klonopin or similar drug has caused harmful effects to the fetus?\nA(> How about cases where the mother took klonopin or similar substance and had\nA(> normal baby. Any information is appreciated. She wants to get a feel for\nA(> what sort of risk she is taking. She is in her first month of pregnancy.\n\nKlonopin, according to the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference), is not a\nproven teratogen. There are isolated case reports of malformations,\nbut it is impossible to establish cause-effect relationships. The\noverwhelming majority of women that take Klonopin while pregnant have\nnormal babies.\n---\n . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)\n \n",
"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 59\nNNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:\n} In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n} >In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes:\n} >>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes:\n} >>\n} >>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had?\n} >>\n} >>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above\n} >>average year in the last 5.\n} >\n} >Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can\n} >count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a\n} >bad finish last year :-).\n} >\n} >(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said\n} >Morris was a better signing than Viola?)\n} \n} Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their\n} fingers.\n\noooooo. cheap shot. :^)\n\n} Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \n} future.\n\nwho cares? he had two of them before he came to Toronto; and if the\nJays had signed Viola instead of Morris, it would have been Frank who\nwon 20 and got the ring. and he would be on his way to 20 this year, too.\n\n} Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best \n} signing.\n\nyour logic is curious, and spurious.\n\nthere is no reason to believe that Viola wouldn't have won as many games\nhad *he* signed with Toronto. when you compare their stupid W-L records,\nbe sure to compare their team's offensive averages too.\n\n\nnow, looking at anything like the Morris-Viola sweepstakes a year later\nis basically hindsight. but there were plenty of reasons why it\nshould have been apparent that Viola was the better pitcher, based\non previous recent years and also based on age (Frank is almost 5\nyears younger! how many knew that?). people got caught up in the '91\nWorld Series, and then on Morris' 21 wins last year. wins are the stupidest,\nmost misleading statistic in baseball, far worse than RBI or R. that he\nwon 21 just means that the Jays got him a lot of runs.\n\nthe only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying\nto get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice\nafterwards, but what should we have expected they would say?\n\n} And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't \n} even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.\n\nif this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares?\n\n-*-\ncharles\n",
'From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard)\nSubject: Re: 666 - MARK OF THE BEAST - NEED INFO\nOrganization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project\nLines: 15\n\nOn a slightly different note:\n\nThere are two buildings in NY state with big 666 numbers on the\nroof :)\n\nOne in Manhattan and one near Garden City. The Garden City one\nis a nice black unmarked building...\n\n\n-- \n------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! .\n\\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . .\n \\ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .\n \\/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .\n \n',
'From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt\nArticle-I.D.: netnews.120664\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 32\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <C5J59C.GED@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) writes:\n>In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca\n>>(Mathew Tasalloti) says:\n>>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY\n>>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup.\n>>\n>> Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance\n>>at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO.\n>\n>Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They\n>couldn\'t even beat the Whalers in two games!\n\nYes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at\nthe talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the\nIslanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most\nlikely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor\nshooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn\'t hit\nthe broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of\nit. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don\'t know if that would\nhelp, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some\nlight on the subject.\n\nAnd, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but\ndon\'t hesitate to send in picks!!!\n\n--\n Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n "When I want your opinion, I\'ll give it to you." \n',
"From: DRAMALECKI@ELECTRICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (David Malecki)\nSubject: Re: Building a UV flashlight\nLines: 40\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\n\nIn article <C5r6Lz.n25@panix.com> jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:\n>My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they\n>need a lot of power? etc., etc.\n\nI've seen them in surplus stores. All they are are fluorescent bulbs \nwithout the phosphor, and a UV transparent bulb (special glass). I've\nalso seen incandescent versions that you screw into an ordinary 120VAC\nsocket, probably not what you want.\n\n>\n>I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave\n>(but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both).\n>\n>One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV\n>light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone\n>know what he was referring to?\n\nAs far as I know, near UV (as opposed to far-UV) is longwave UV (near\nthe visible spectrum). Longwave UV is safer as far as accidental (I hope)\nexposure to the eyes. As far as fluorescent minerals go (the reason a\nfriend has a UV lamp), some only respond to only one of short or long UV.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nDave.\n\n\n\n>\n>Thanks much.\n>\n>\n>--\n>John Hawkinson\n>jhawk@panix.com\n ---------------------------------------------------------------------- \n| Who I am: David Malecki |\n| Who you think I am: dramalecki@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca |\n| |\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk (Space Cadet)\nSubject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic\nNntp-Posting-Host: evenwood\nOrganization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.\nLines: dog\n\n\n Andrew Varvel writes:\n>\n>\n> Serdar Argic \n>(a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) writes:\n>\n>[Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted \n>wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.]\n>\n>\n>WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT?\n>\n>--The Friendly Neighborhood Alien--\n>\n>Life just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died...\n\n ah c'mon, give the guy three days and see what comes up.\n\n LEO\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*\n| DISCLAIMER: it wasn't me, honest, | email:\n| it was him, he made me do it!! | C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*\n",
"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5JCrF.KrM@news.udel.edu> philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes:\n>\n>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the\n>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in\n>baseball at 8-1\n\nLook, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame\nyou, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy.\n\nNo, I don't know everything in the world. Does that surprise you?\n\n-Valentine\n",
'From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)\nSubject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians\nReply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.02.42.1993.3815@geneva.rutgers.edu>,\nconditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote:\n>\n>\n> I think it\'s really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere\n> man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet.\n\nI\'ll pose a question here that\'s got me thinking: what distinguishes\n"true" religion from cults (I\'m speaking generally here, not specifially\nabout Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on \nTuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that\ntrue religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person.\nBut, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity\nIS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the\nBranch Davidian "cult" from the Presbyterian "church"? Doctrinal\ndifferences don\'t answer the question, IMHO, so don\'t use them as\nan answer.\n\n -- Scott at Brandeis\n\n\t"But God demonstrates His "The Lord bless you, and keep you;\n\t own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you,\n\t while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you;\n\t Christ died for us."\t the Lord lift up His countenance on you,\n\t\t\t\t and give you peace."\n\t\t-- Romans 5:8 [NASB]\t\t-- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB]\n\n[There have been some attempts to characterize "cult". Most commonly\nit uses characteristics involving high pressure, brainwashing\ntechniques, etc. But some people characterize it by doctrinal\nerror. In the end I\'m afraid it becomes a term with no precise\nmeaning that\'s used primarily to dismiss groups as not worthy\nof serious consideration. That doesn\'t mean that there aren\'t\ngroups that do highly irresponsible things and have serious\ndoctrinal errors. But past discussions have not suggested to me\nthat "cult" is a very helpful term. --clh]\n',
'From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar)\nSubject: PBS Frontline documentary : "Memory of the camps"\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 13\n\nYesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline\nby the documentary consortia. It is called "Memory of the camps" and shows some\n"un-censored" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen\nand other death camps.\n \nI recommend it to everybody. Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast.\nIT IS A MUST SEE documentary. \n \nIn the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary\non Monday 01:30 am.\nYou can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271. The cost is $59.95.\n\nDanny\n',
"From: trey@godzilla.larc.nasa.gov (Trey Arthur)\nSubject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\\\\ LIFETIME MEMERSHIP ///\nOrganization: CSC - NASA Langley Research Center\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <1r3v9j$t6f@access.digex.net>, jb@access.digex.com (jb) writes:\n|> In article <C5J5K1.w0@visgraph.uucp> forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:\n|> >\n|> >For sale: Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club. The\n|> >original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600. The\n|> >membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork. \n|> >\n|> Does is include raquetball? Is it good at Espree? What is the annual fee?\n \x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\x1e\n\nSince it is a Life Time membership, you won't have to worry about it\nuntil your next life.\n\n-- \n***************************************************************\n* Trey Arthur CSC at NASA Langley *\n* Aerospace Engineer MS 157D, Hampton, VA 23666 *\n* j.j.arthur@larc.nasa.gov (804) 865-1725 *\n***************************************************************\n",
"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE)\nSubject: Re: JETS FANS! Hrivnak or Tabaracci??\nArticle-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.215225.11611\nReply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 22\nOriginator: fmsalvat@c00574-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu\n\n\n\n> >After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who\n> >would you prefer to have? And how about\n> >Tyler Larter? What ever happened to him??\n> \n> \tYou know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious.\n> \n> \n> \n\nOk, but have you seen Tabaracci play yet? In his two starts and\nhis relief effort for Beaupre, he has looked mighty sharp - don't\nforget the shutout. I think he's let in just four goals over eight\nperiods of play. I like Hrivnak, but we might actually have to give\nsome credit to David Poile for a change after this trade.\n\nHopefully if Tabaracci starts against the Isles tonight, I haven't\njinxed him.\n\nFrank Salvatore\nfmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu\n",
'From: v064mb9k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER)\nSubject: Need diode model for PSpice\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 15\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\n\tIm designing a circuit with just a silicon diode. I dont need\nto modify any of the parameters. But the problem will not accept the following\nstatement\n\t\t\n\t\t.model diode D\n\n The pspice book I have is terrible. I would appreciate any help.\n\n\n Neil Gandler\n _____________________________________________________________________________\n Gandler Electronics\n Home Automation & electronic design technology\n _____________________________________________________________________________\n',
'From: gcarter@infoserv.com (George Carter)\nSubject: Re: Does someone know what is the news group for IEEE.\nReply-To: gcarter@infoserv.com\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: SFBAC\nLines: 11\nX-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64)\n\nIn <1993Apr19.192953.22874@usl.edu> yxy4145@ucs.usl.edu (Yu Yingbin) writes:\n> yxy4145@usl.edu Thanks a lot.\n\nieee.general\n\nand\n\nieee.announce\n\n\nare the most frequently used groups.\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Day and night Armenians were rounding up male inhabitants...\nArticle-I.D.: zuma.9304052020\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 71\n\nIn article <734048492@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes:\n\n>\t Sure it joined you by ballot in 1918! And I suppose that\n>\t Northern Bukovina (where I was born), which has always had\n\nThat\'s why zoologists refer to you as a \'fecal shield\'. Colonel Semen \nM. Budienny, a subsequent Soviet military fame, said about the \nArmenian genocide of 2.5 million defenseless Turkish and Kurdish \nwomen, children and elderly people during his visit to Anatolia \nin June 1919 that\n\n"the Armenians had become troublemakers, their Hinchakist\n and Dashnakist parties were opportunist, serving as lackeys\n of whatever power happened to be ascendent."\n\nIn September 16, 1920, Major General W. Thwaites, Director of\nMilitary Intelligence, wrote to Lord Hardinge, Under-Secretary\nof State for Foreign Affairs:\n\n"...it is useless to pretend that the Armenians are satisfactory\n allies, or deserving of all the sympathy to which they claim."[1]\n\n[1] F.O. 331/3411/158288.\n\nIn the Special Collection at Stanford Hoover Library, donated by\nGeorgia Cutler, the letter dated Nov. 1, 1943 states that\n\n"Prescot Hall wrote a large volume to prove that Armenians were\n not and never could be desirable citizens, that they would \n always be unscrupulous merchants."\n\n\nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer \n No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.\n (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)\n\n"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from\n leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night\n they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,\n after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements\n of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around\n Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are\n being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and\n barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."\n\n\n "Document No: 52," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer \n No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.\n (To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps\n Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army\n General)\n\n"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the\n population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are\n facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties\n and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate\n the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have \n regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and\n cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority\n seems to be failing in restoring order."\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n',
"From: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Meyer)\nSubject: VideoBlaster & PC SPEAKER\nKeywords: Video Blaster Speaker Driver\nReply-To: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Meyer)\nOrganization: University of Kaiserslautern (Germany)\nLines: 28\n\n\nSoftware that comes together with the VideoBlaster\nis designed to work together with the SoundBlaster\n(from the same manufacturer).\n\nSince I do not own a SoundBlaster: is there a possibility\nto use the PC Speaker driver to play audio files for\nthe VideoBlaster (.AVI = audio video interleave files) ?\n\nI think what I should have is a device driver for\nthe Media Player that controls the PC Speaker Driver\ninstead of the SoundBlaster card (something like MCISPKR.DRV).\n\nHas anybody heard of such a driver?\nOr am I on the wrong track?\n\nAny information on this appreciated!\n\n(Please send e-mail, since I don't watch this group regularly.)\n\n\n _V_ | Joerg Meyer\n / \\ | E-Mail: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de\n |O O| | University of Kaiserslautern, Germany\nooO--U--Ooo | ------- This space for rent ! -------\n\n\n\n",
'From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry)\nSubject: Re: Yeah, Right\nOrganization: Decision Support Inc.\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com\n\nIn article <65882@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n}>For several years I\'ve periodically asked Charley Wingate to explain this\n}>mythical alternative to rationality which he propounds so enthusiastically\n}>when he pops up every few months. His reluctance to explain indicates to me\n}>that it\'s not so hot.\n}\n}I\'ve said enough times that there is no "alternative" that should think you\n}might have caught on by now. And there is no "alternative", but the point\n}is, "rationality" isn\'t an alternative either. The problems of metaphysical\n}and religious knowledge are unsolvable-- or I should say, humans cannot\n}solve them.\n\nIf there is truly no alternative, then you have no basis whatsoever\nfor your claim. The usual line here, which you call "a prejudgment of\natheism", and dispute, is that reason is all we have. Here you admit\nthat you have no alternative, no possible basis for the claim that\nthere is anything other than reason or that reason is inapplicable in\nreligious knowledge, except possibly that reason conflicts with\n"religious knowledge".\n\nThis sounds very much like "I can\'t provide a rational defense for my\nbelief, but prefer to discard rationality rather than accept that it\nmay be false". I hope it makes you happy, but your repeated and\nunfounded assertions to this effect don\'t advance your cause.\n-- \nJim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC\nThese are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours.\n',
'From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)\nSubject: Removing Distortion From Bitmapped Drawings?\nOrganization: SCTC\nLines: 47\n\nLet\'s say you have a scanned image of a line drawing; in this case a\nboat, but it could be anything. On the drawing you have a set of\nreference points whose true x,y positions are known. \n\nNow you digitize the drawing manually (in this case, using Yaron\nDanon\'s excellent Digitize program). That is, you use a program which\nconverts cursor positions to x,y and saves those values when you click\nthe mouse.\n\nUpon digitizing you notice that the reference point values that come\nout of the digitizing process differ in small but significant ways\nfrom the known true values. This is understandable because the\nscanned drawing is a reproduction of the original and there are\nsuccessive sources of distortion such as differential expansion and\ncontraction of paper, errors introduced in the printing process,\nscanner errors and what have you.\n\nThe errors are not uniform over the entire drawing, so "global"\nadjustments such as stretching/contracting uniformly over x or y, or\nrotating the whole drawing, are not satisfactory.\n\nSo the question is: does any kind soul know of an algorithm for\nremoving such distortion? In particular, if I have three sets of\npoints \n\nReference(x,y) (the known true values)\n\nDistortedReference(x,y) (the same points, with known errors)\n\nDistortedData(x,y) (other points, with unknown errors)\n\nwhat function of Reference and Distorted could I apply to\nDistortedData to remove the errors.\n\nI suspect the problem could be solved by treating the distorted\nreference points as resulting from the projection of a "bumpy" 3d\nsurface, solving for the surface and then "flattening" it to remove\nthe errors in the other data points.\n\nAny kind and informed soul out there have any ideas, or better yet,\npointers to treatments of the same or similar problems?\n\nThanks,\n\nEarl\n\n\n',
"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <Apr.19.05.10.33.1993.29070@athos.rutgers.edu>, Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) writes:\n> \n> Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both\n> the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't \n> need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to \n> make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a \n> man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was\n> buried begs the question.\n\nHere again, the problem with most of the individuals posting here, you take the\nbiblical account as though it were some sort of historical recounting in the\nmodern sense. I would refer you to John Dominic Crossans Book _The Cross That\nSpoke_ (Pub. Harper and Row, 1988). The earliest texts which we have make no\nreference to an empty tomb. Nor is an empty tomb necessary for a claim of\nresurrection. Modern Evangelicals/Fundamentalists have completely missed what\nthe point of resurrection is -- Here the work of George Nickelsburg's work \n_Resurrection, Immortality, and Eternal Life in Intertestamental Judaism_ (Publ\nCambridge, Havard Univ. Press, 1972) is most helpful. Look At Rom 1:1-3. Paul\nhere has no need of an empty tomb. Additionally in 1 Cor 15, Here again there\nis no mention of an empty tomb. He was raised (note the passive), he appeared,\nno ascension either.\n\nResurrection could be accomplished without ever disturbing the bones in the\ngrave. The whole idea of an empty tomb isn't broached in any of our texts\nuntil well after the fall of Jerusalem. By that time, the idea of coming up\nwith a body would have been ludicrious. Moreover Mack has argued (convicingly,\nI think) that the empty tomb story first appears in Mark (we have no texts\nbefore this which mention the tomb). \n \n\n> \n> Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on\n> this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a \n> deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm\n> not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth, \n> but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about\n> dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to\n> be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the \n> body seems rather lightweight to me.\n> \n> As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over \n> the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is\n> an argument that can be discounted.\n> \n> That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!?\n> \n> \n> [Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario,\n> and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable\n> about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the\n> empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling.\n> --clh]\n\nYou are quite right here. Even the Idea of a subjective mystical event as the\nfoundation of the resurrection narratives is currently becoming more untenable.\nSee B. Mack _A Myth of Innocence_.\n\nrandy\n",
'From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon)\nSubject: Re: Powerbook & Duo Batteries\nSummary: I goofed!\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.C51so0.BDq\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\n\n\n ronaldw@sco.COM (Ronald A. Wong) writes:\n\n ]In article <C4vr7z.EB0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,\n ]kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) wrote:\n> \n> The program PowerStrip2.0, which is freeware, has an option called\n> "Quick Discharge." You can find it on the Mac archives, probably\n> sumex-aim.stanford.edu or mac.archive.umich.edu.\n\n\n >>Is it a hidden option? I\'m using PowerStrip 2.0 (by Mr. Caputo) right now\n >>and can\'t find any quick discharge option. It definitely is on\n >>mac.archive.umich.edu \'cause I submitted it! \n\n My apologies! I goofed. The "quick discharge" option is part of the\nConnectix PowerBook Utilities package (CPU). I installed it the same\nday as PowerStrip, and didn\'t pay enough attention. ;) Anyway, the\noption does exist for those of you who buy CPU. \n\n\n---------------\n"Whadda goofball!"\n"Sheddap. You\'re not even the real signature file."\n---------------\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nKenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University\nInternet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: heart@access.digex.com (G)\nSubject: cholistasis(sp?)/fat-free diet/pregnancy!!\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 80\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nHi,\n\nI've just returned from a visit with my OB/GYN and I have a few \nconcerns that maybe y'all can help me with. I've been seeing \nher every 4 weeks for the past few months (I'm at week 28) \nand during the last 2 visits I've gained 9 to 9 1/2 pounds every \n4 weeks. She said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period. \nAs it stands I've thus far gained 26 pounds. Also she says that \nthough I'm at 28 weeks the baby's size is 27 weeks, I think she \nmentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus. When I was 13 \nweeks the baby's size was 14 weeks. I must also add, that I had \nan operation a few years ago for endometriosis and I've had no \nproblems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain \nin my pelvic region during the pregnancy, and I have a very \ndifficult time moving, and the doc has recommended I not walk or \nmove unless I have to. (I have a little handicapped sticker for \nwhen I do need to go out.) \n\nAnyway that's 1/2 of the situation the other is that almost from \nthe beginning of pregnancy I was getting sick (throwing up) about \n2-3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated. \n(I told her about this). I know this because I wasn't eating \nvery much due to the nausea and could see the 'results'. Well \nnow I only get sick about once every 1-2 weeks, and it is still bile \nrelated. But in addition I had begun to feel movement near my \nupper right abdomen, just below the right breast, usually when I \nwas lying on my right side. It began to get worse though because \nit started to hurt when I lay on my right side, and then it hurt \nno matter what position I was in. Next, I noticed that when I \nate greasy or fatty foods I felt like my entire abdomen had \nturned to stone, and the pain in the area got worse. However if \nI ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to 'cut' the fat it \nwasn't as much of a problem.\n\nSo the doctor says I have cholistatis, and that I should avoid \nfatty foods. This makes sense, and because I was already aware \nof what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship I have \nbeen avoiding these foods on my own. But I'm still able to eat \nfoods with Ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods. \n\nBut doc wants me to be on a non-fat diet. This means no meat \nexcept fish and chicken w/o skin (I do this anyway). No nuts, \nfried food, cheese etc. I am allowed skim milk. She said I \nshould avoid anything sweet (e.g. bananas). Also I must only \nhave one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day ( \npotatoes, pasta, rice)! She said I can't even cook vegetables in \na little bit of oil and that I should eat vegetables raw or \nsteamed. I'm concerned because I understand you need to have \nsome fat in your diet to help in the digestive process. And if \nI'm not taking in fat, is she expecting the baby will take it \nfrom my stores? And why this restriction on carbohydrates if \nshe's concerned about fat? I'm not clear how much of her \nrecommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on \ncholistatis, which I can't seem to find any information on. She \noriginally said that I should only gain 20 pounds during the \nentire pregnancy since I was about 20 lbs overweight when I \nstarted. But my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and \nshe's taken it all off and hasn't had any problems. She also \nasked if any members of my family were obese, which none of them \nare. Anyway I think she is overly concerned about weight gain, \nand feel like I'm being 'punished' by a severe diet. She did \nwant to see me again in one week so I think she the diet may be \ntemporary for that one week. \n\nWhat I want to know is how reasonable is this non-fat diet? I \nwould understand if she had said low-fat diet, since I'm trying \nthat anyway, even if she said really low-fat diet. I think she \nassumes I must be eating a high-fat diet, but really it is that \nbecause of the endometriosis and the operation I'm not able to \nuse the energy from the food I do eat. \n\nAny opinions, info and experiences will be appreciated. I'm \ntruly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet \nbecause fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few \nminutes and I'll end up having to eat constantly. Thus far I \ndon't find any foods satisfying.\n\nThanks \n\nG\n",
'From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Playoff pool\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 30\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nWell, I looked at the scoring plan I had, and have decided to modify it. \nHere is the new, finalized scoring:\n\nPick 1st round winner, way off on games:\t2\n" " " " pick within one game:\t3\n" " " " pick exact games:\t4\n\nPick 2nd round winner, way off on games:\t4\n" " " " pick within one game:\t5\n" " " " pick exact games:\t7\n\nPick conference champ, way off on games:\t7\n"\t"\t" pick within one game:\t10\n"\t"\t" pick exact games:\t13\n\nPick Stanley Cup winner, way off on games:\t13\n"\t" "\t "\tpick within one game:\t17\n"\t" "\t "\tpick exact games:\t20\nPick loser in 7, series goes 7:\t\t\t2\nPick loser in 7, game 7 decided in OT:\t\t4\n\nThese are now final. Anyone needing a copy of the entry sheet, email me\nat the address below. \n\n--\n Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n "When I want your opinion, I\'ll give it to you." \n',
'From: sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark)\nSubject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage)\nOrganization: University of Toronto - EPAS\nNntp-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca\nLines: 11\n\n\tYeah, the news is true...the Leafs lost to the Wings 6-3.\nWish I could say I\'d seen the whole game but my husband wanted\nto watch "Young Guns II" on another channel. Sometime between\nthe first time I tuned in and d saw the Leafs tie and the next time\nI tuned in and heard the score was 5-1, something happened.\n\tPlease no woofing from Red Wings fans. They\'re my third\nfavourite team, and if they make it past the Leafs I\'ll wish them\nluck. As for Potvin...well, it WAS his fist playoff game.\n\nSusan Carroll-Clark\nWho likes ANYONE Doug Gilmour plays for\n',
"From: dmmatt@cajun\nSubject: Re: Need Windows-logo\nLines: 19\nOrganization: Monsanto Company\n\nIn article <1qjqed$1ft@access.digex.net>, holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland) writes:\n> Markus Maier (S_MAIER_M@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote:\n> : Hi,\n> \n> : Well I'm searching for the Ms-Windows logo, u know the picture when u\n> : start Windows, in some suitable grafics-format, like gif or jpg,...\n> \n> C:\\windows\\system\\vgalogo.rle. If my memory serves me correctly,\n> *.rle is a compressed *.bmp format. \n> \n An is readable by WinGif, Paintshop Pro, Paint, and god knows how\nmany other programs.\n\n-- \nMike Mattix\nAgricultural Group of Monsanto\nP.O. Box 174\nLuling, LA 70070\nINTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com\n",
"From: c23reg@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Ron Gaskins)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim\nOriginator: c23reg@koptsw21\nKeywords: Dimmer switch location (repost)\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nLines: 22\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr8.233443.22590@exu.ericsson.se>, exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson, T/TDT, 1129) writes:\n> In article 23250@cas.org, sdm24@cas.org () writes:\n> >IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the\n> >dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise\n \nThe federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year\n'95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch.\n\nA study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has\nfound that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the\ndirect result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the\nsteering wheel :-)\n\n-- \nRon Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com\nAutomotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics\nGM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 \n-- \nRon Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com\nAutomotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics\nGM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 \n",
'From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil)\nSubject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ?\nLines: 89\n\n>\n>O.K., its my turn:\n>\n> DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!\n>\n>I am sick and tired of this \'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA\' sentance attributed\n>to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can\'t be proven as part of their\n>plan !\n>\n\nMay I suggest you chech out the _Palestinian National Covenant (1964)_. It may\nnot use the exact words as quoted above but I\'m sure many will agree that the\nsame message is being issued. Later on when I get back home I will try to find\nthe precise section(s) but you can do the research for now (I hope). I also\nrealize that Yasser Arafat renounced the _Covenant_ *to the Western media only*\nbut he has yet to inform the PNC officially and enequivocally of his exact\nintentions on this issue. Therefore, as far as we are concerned the _Covenant_\nstill stands as the "Bible" (so to speak) of the mainstream Palestinian\nNational movement!\n\n\n>(Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity\n>since it was coined by Bnai Brith)\n\nAs a staunch pro-Israel activist I can confidently say that Bnai Brith has NOT\ninfluenced my opinions on the Arab-Israeli conflict. As I mentioned above,\njust a little research on the subject will lead anyone to reach a similar\nconclusion on the Palestinian National movement (the PLO in most cases). BB\ndoes not properly speak for me nor many of the people around me who share\nmy views.\n\n>\n>What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media,\n>is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic\n>Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in\n>Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants.\n>\n\nWhat 1948 situation? A negative situation I presume? Is this the same\n"situation" when the Jordanian occupiers of East Jerusalem would not allow the\nJews to go worship at the HOLIEST SITE IN JUDIASM? Was this an example of\nQu\'ranic law being exercised? If not, I have another suggested reading for\nyou... get into the "soc.culture.arabic" newsgroup where the posters have been\ndebating the topic "Jews in the Qu\'ran" (and may I remind you the people doing\nthe debating appear to be devout Muslims with some knowledge of the Qu\'ran).\nYou will find that Jews aren\'t really viewed positively by the Qu\'ran (to put\nit lightly). So how do you think Jews (or any other non-Islamic religion) will\nbe treated by an Islamic state governed by the words of the Qu\'ran? I think\nthe 1948-1967 "situation" in Jerusalem will return *at best*! What do you\nthink?\n\n>However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their\n>homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political\n>thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the\n>Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice.\n\nAll I have to say to that is, once again, see s.c.a - "Jews in the Qu\'ran" and\nthink again. "Freedom of choice" is *definitely* not an option in Qu\'ranic\nlaw especially for non-Muslims and ALL women! Remember the Gulf War? I\'m sure\nyou saw the reports about how women had few rights in Saudi Arabia (an Islamic\nstate).\n\n>\n>As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat\'s mind.\n>\n\nProbably nothing! Aside from how to break the news to his Palestinian brethren\nthat the _Covenant_ is "null and void" without getting assassinated himself!\n\n>Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true\n>super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the\n>Jews used to establish their state : Religion.\n>\n\nIn conclusion, Ahmed, you should go to the library and find the _Palestinian\nNational Covenant (1964)_ and read it VERY CAREFULLY. By the way, Redpath\nLibrary DOES have it in stock because that is exactly where I found it when I\nwas doing my research. So enjoy the reading and I hope we will be hearing back\nfrom you soon!\n\n- Mike\n\n---\n MI KE MIK EMIK EMI K "Opinions expressed above\n M I K E M I K E M are my own and not that\n M I K E MIKEM I KEM I K of \'Big Blue\'"\n M I K E M IKE M IKE MIKE\n\nIBM Corp., Toronto, Canada\n',
'From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <C5tBwr.5xI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) writes:\n\n> No, they didn\'t have electrical power, but no, I don\'t find the idea of\n> Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the\n> buildings down very credible,either.\n\nI don\'t know how quickly YOU can get a woodstove to heat up from a cold\nstart, but mine takes about three hours.\n\n> It\'s not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some-\n> one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig-\n> nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings.\n\nMox nix. The BD\'s were prepared to provide their own heat and light,\nand were doing so for weeks while the power was out. That means the\ncompound contained containers of flammable liquids or gases (that could\nbe busted by a tank intrusion), plus ignition sources, which no one can \ntell for sure were all off at the time.\n\n> I\'m not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac-\n> cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of\n> their conduct in this whole affair.\n\nOn the contrary. We are proposing alternate scenarios. The people who\nare coming to wild conclusions are the feds, who are absolutely positive\nhow the fire started, even though none of them were in a position to \nsee it, either (and the stories they "hear" from their prisoners changes\nhourly).\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n\n',
'From: chau@hao.ucar.edu (National Center for Atmospheric Research)\nSubject: Please help! (looking for books)\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303\nLines: 6\n\nHi netters!\n\tI often have troubles with my PC and would like to fix it by myself. Is \n\tthere any book that show you how to fix your own PC (hardware, monitor,\n\tprinter problems..etc). Of course, no book would tell you the exact\n\tproblem with your PC, but at least it will give a general idea what\n\tmight be wrong. Thanks so lot for your help.\n',
'From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)\nSubject: Re: Pens Info needed\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.140541.28465@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:\n>\n> Actually, Swedish coach Curt Lundmark is thinking about leaving two\n> spots open for additions from eliminated NHLers. It is Mats Sundin and\n> Calle Johansson that Curt hopes can join the team, although in a late\n> stage of the tournament. Technically, I seem to recall that you can leave\n> spots open until 24 hrs before the WC final.\n>\nHmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and\nleave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever\nhear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :)\n\n\nDaryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets \nInternet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca \nFidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)\nTkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! \nThe Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!\nEssensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!\n',
"From: mrl@pfc.mit.edu (Mark London)\nSubject: Corneal erosion/abrasions.\nOrganization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nerus.pfc.mit.edu\n\nFor several years I have been dealing with reccurring corneal erosion. There\ndoes not seem to be much known about the cause of such a problem. My current\nepisode is pretty bad since it is located in the middle of the cornea. If it's\nbad enough, the usual treatment for it is puncture therapy. However, my doctor\nthis time is trying to let it heal by itself by putting a contact lens to\nprotect the area. Apparently the problem is not that common, but I'd be curious\nif anyone else out there has a similar problem, perhaps to see if a cause can be\nfound. \n\nMark London\nMRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU\n",
'From: schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck)\nSubject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3\nOrganization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)\nLines: 14\n\nnemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes:\n\n>> \t The problem occurs during the initial "make World". When\n>> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can\'t seem to find\n>> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program "ld"\n>> which was updated for 4_1_3.\n>> \n\n> Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static\n>some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(.\n\nOr use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld.\n\n\\Bernhard.\n',
"From: lm001@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Erwin H. Keeve)\nSubject: Polygon Reduction for Marching Cubes\nOrganization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne\nLines: 36\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de\nKeywords: Polygon Reduction, Marching Cubes, Surfaces, Midical Visualisation\n\n\nDear Reader,\n\n\nI'am searching for an implementation of a polygon reduction algorithm\nfor marching cubes surfaces. I think the best one is the reduction algorithm\nfrom Schroeder et al., SIGGRAPH '92. So, is there any implementation of this \nalgorithm, it would be very nice if you could leave it to me.\n\nAlso I'am looking for a fast !!! connectivity\ntest for marching cubes surfaces.\n\nAny help or hints will be very useful.\nThanks a lot\n\n\n ,,,\n (o o)\n ___________________________________________oOO__(-)__OOo_____________\n|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_|\n|_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|\n| | |\n| Erwin Keeve | adress: Peter-Welter-Platz 2 |\n| | W-5000 Cologne 1, Germany |\n| | |\n| Dept. of Computergraphics & | phone: +49-221-20189-132 (-192) |\n| Computeranimation | FAX: +49-221-20189-17 |\n| | |\n| Academy of Media Arts Cologne | Email: keeve@khm.uni-koeln.de |\n|_______________________________|_____________________________________|\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:\n>>\n>>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the\n>>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains\n>>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might\n>>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.\n>>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I\'d be interested.\n>\n>Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into\n>the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures\n>why attending a "corn festival". We pumped her stomach and obtained\n>what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. \n>After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as\n>"acute corn intoxication."\n>----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\n\nHow about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin???\n\n\n\n-- \n:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****\n:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********\n:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *\n:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><\n',
"From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()\nSubject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu\n\n\nI don't know what Traders is claiming, but it appears to me that\nthe Oakland Tribune has censored gun ads in the past. Likewise\nfor the San Francisco Chronicle, and I have never seen a gun\nad in the San Francisco Examiner.\n\nSpecifically, about a year ago on Thursdays, when Traders placed\nits ads, the Chron. ad would not have any graphics representing\nany handgun sale, though text could list it. The Trib. would\nrun a graphic of a handgun. The Examiner would not have a Traders\nad at all.\n\nOver the past year while Oakland politicians have made a lot of noise\nabout measures to fight crime the Trib stopped taking the Traders\nad, then started publishing it, but without any handgun graphic, then\nstopped, then started. Since the Trib. was sold some months ago it\nhas not had the Traders ad. During one of these non-ad interludes\na Traders employee told me that the Trib. had refused to take their\nads.\n\nYes, the usual Chron. Thursday ad was there today, with graphics\nrepresenting rifles, safes, etc. as usual.\n\nJoan V\n",
'From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU ()\nSubject: New \'GUESS\' Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Santa Cruz\nLines: 38\nNNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu\n\nIn article <C5LA55.Bwq@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:\n>Clayton Cramer writes:\n>#Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,\n>#and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that\n>#homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general\n>#male population. \n>\n>Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing\n>to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more\n>willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly\n>promiscious)? \n>\n>I didn\'t think that you did.\n>\n>--\n>-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia\n\nIt is obvious that Mr. Cramer has the \'ability\' to take the \'leap of faith\'.\nI have listened to several of the men involved in this study, and even they\nclaim that the men involved will not \'tell the whole truth\'.\n\nI put little value in extrapolating from these types of \'studies\' or \'surveys\',\nthey have limited subsets of individuals, and there is alot of skewing due\nto improper selection methods, and the bias of the people involved in the\nstudies on both sides- subject and researcher.\n\nWould you admit to be part of a group that was not very well liked? Would \nyou admit to having had sex with other people at some considered abnormal\nrate (this applies to heterosexual men). In fact, as one gay man and one\nstraight man put it, "men lie about the number of partners, because that\'s\nthe thing to do"- our culture for the male almost requires this type of\nresponse. It may seem harmless and silly, but carries a large emotional\nand mental price tag.\n\nI hear college male students everyday talking about their \'supposed\' \nconquest. They just have to look good to one another, at least in their\neyes. But also know that alot of this does go on, there are many college\nmales (hetero) having a lot of sex with different partners.\n',
"From: cbruno@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher James Bruno)\nSubject: Coil\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nHey everyone, I'm new to this newsgroup so please excuse me if this is a \ndumb question....I want to build a crossover for my stereo and I need\na coil with an inductance of 6.8mH (actually I need 4). I was wondering\nif anyone knew where I could buy these or how to make these. I've called\nmany places and no one I can find sells them. If you have the answers just\nE - mail me....\nThanks in advance....\nChris\n\n\n\n",
"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 27\n\n18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes:\n\n> ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and\n> quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying\n> to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful\n> to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other\n> relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would\n> like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological\n> works intended for a lay person?\n\nI won't even recommend books from my congregation. What you ask sounds\nattractive but it is dangerous. As a new Christian you don't want to be\ncontaminated with other people's interpretation. Steep your self in\nscripture, and discuss with other christians. Read if your must but\nremember that what other people write is their interpretation. God has\npromised to give you light, so ask for it.\n\n> I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated\n> with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria\n> should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference\n> between the various Protestant denominations.\n\n\nDon't wait too long before attaching yourself to church. Just remember to\nalways compare what they teach you with scripture like the Bereans did.\n\nDarius\n",
'From: dunguyen@ecs.umass.edu\nSubject: Hayes 9600 external AC pins???\nLines: 7\n\nHello, \nI have a Hayes 9600 moden with no cables or manuals. The\nmodem requires a source of 14V AC, but I do not know how\nto connect the power source to the 3 pin connector. I know\nthat the top pin is the ground, so I would guess that the other\ntwo are the AC pins, right? If you have any hints, please\nE-Mail me, I really need help... Thanks!!! Duc N.\n',
"From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)\nSubject: Re: Anyone have experience with Visix' Galaxy?\nOrganization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C56M19.17r@world.std.com>, grier@world.std.com (The Political Crony) writes:\n> \n> The title line says it. The Galaxy package was just recently announced, and\n> includes a GUI-builder and portable toolkit. I'm interested in any\n> feedback from those who may have used it thus far.\n\nWe've been using it for a year on Unix (Sun and HP) and Windows platforms. In my\nopinion, it is the best toolkit on the market. It supports a rich API to a high\nlevel IPC mechanism, file system abstraction, memory management, command driven\napplication development, drawing, geometry management, and, oh yeah, Open Look,\nMotif, MS-Windows and Mac (at the flip of a switch).\n\n> \n> Thanks\n> Jim Grier\n> grier@world.std.com\n> \n\n-- \n\n--\nGreg Pasquariello \tgrp@unify.com \t Hobnobbing with the ancients\nUnify Corporation\t or\t\t \n(916) 928-6258\t ...!uunet!unify!grp\n",
'From: tnyurkiw@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (TN)\nSubject: definition of 2nd\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 9\n\n\n\tThe debate over the Second Amendment rages on.\nArguments continue over what a "well-regulated militia"\nis and what TRKBA means in practical terms. However, the\nONLY authority in this area, is a binding court decision\non the matter. Even a decision in this area is subject to\nan overturning by a higher court. Is there anyone who\nhas the facts of a legal precedent, preferably a Supreme\nCourt decision on the specific meaning of the 2nd Amendment?\n',
"From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji)\nSubject: HELP - E_Mail Address of Caere Corporation\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nLines: 19\n\n===============================================================================\n \tI'm looking for the E_Mail Address of the Caere Corporation. \n\tTheir Address is:\n\n\tCAERE CORPORATION\n\t100 COOPER COURT\n\tLOS GATOS\n\tCALIFONIA 95030\n\n\tIf you know the address o have access to find it. Please could\n\tyou send it to me. \n\n\tMy E_Mail Address is:\n\n\t\t<zia@uk.ac.ed.castle>\n\n\tThanking you in advance,\n\n\t\tZia.\n",
"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n\n> >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day \n> >> in Texas. \n\n> >Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n\n> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular.\n> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.\n\nAnd they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n",
"From: tovecchi@nyx.cs.du.edu (tony vecchi)\nSubject: two questions\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nLines: 14\n\n\nTwo questions:\n1: I'm trying to figure out how to access cmos advanced chip setting on a\nEISA motherboard (AIR) that has AMI bios..specifically I would like to set\nthe atclk or wait states or bus speed on this board, I can't seem to be\nable to do it..any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.\n\n2: I am looking for a phone number for WANGTEK tape drives, specifically I\nam looking for jumper settings on a 5099EN24 drive..\n\nThanks in advance.\nTony\n\n\n",
'From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.145238.9561@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:\n>anything if he hadn\'t emptied his gun into the asshole. Texas--it\'s\n>whole other country.\n\nThat reminds me of one of Texas\'s ads...you hear a guy speaking in\nFrench (like it\'s a letter home), then the French moves to the \nbackground, and a French-accented voice come to the foreground, talking\nabout how he went walking on the beach, and it felt so much like\nhome that he decided to take his shoes off...and the rest of his\nclothes. It ended with "please send bail." :-)\n\n>On an rec.autos note, does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in\n>their car (which is bad idea, isn\'t it?) if you work in a bad part of\n>town (or regularly go through one)? Is this a loaded question? :^)\n\nI normally have an unloaded Colt Delta in my glove box with a loaded\nmagazine handy (which is perfectly legal in Oklahoma). For those\ntimes that I\'m travelling inter-state, I keep an unloaded \nS&W .44 Magnum revolver in the glove box, with a speed-loader\nin my pocket (which is legal everywhere, under Federal law, Illinois\nState Police be hanged).\n\nAs I\'ve said before, this is stricly for defense; my insurance\nwill pay to replace my car, but I only have one life...\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu \nDISCLAIMER: I\'m not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...\'89 T-Bird SC\n "It\'s a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he\'s ever gonna have." \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"\n',
'From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)\nSubject: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when?\nOrganization: USC-ISI\nLines: 11\nDistribution: comp\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.isi.edu\n\n\nWhen is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse\nII with all CPUs sold?\n\njas\n\n--\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJeffrey A. Sullivan | Research Scientist et al.\njas@isi.edu (Internet) | Information Sciences Institute\n72511,402 (Compuserve) | University of Southern California\n',
"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)\nOrganization: Department of Mathematics\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com>\n\tsmb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n>\n> [ responding to claims about Skipjack cracking engines ]\n>\n>Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack\n>has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that\n>hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's\n>10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well,\n>maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build\n>a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution.\n>\n\n\tI think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines\nare known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart\nhardware?)\n\n\tThe 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short\ntime, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not\navailable -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize\nit, but it's going to get a different bitstream.\n\n\tIt is horribly naive to suppose that regular folks can figure\nout how to crack skipjack, or clipper based telephones. I'm certainly\nnot devoting a great deal of thought to it.\n\n\tAndrew Molitor\n\n",
'From: oved3b@kih.no (Ove Petter Tro)\nSubject: Re: need a viewer for gl files\nOrganization: Kongsberg College of Engineering\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: knoll.kih.no\n\nIn article <1qu36i$kh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes:\n|> the subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)?\n\nTry xviewgl.\n(filename xviewgl_v1.1.tar.Z on lots of bases)\n\n- Ove\n-- \n- ----------==========###########==========-------- -\n // | "What do you think\n \\X/ (Yep, me too...) | this is? Real life?"\nOve Petter Tro, | - Ford Fairlane.\nKongsberg College |\nof Engineering, Norway | email: ovep@kih.no\n- ----------==========###########==========-------- -\n\n',
"From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji)\nSubject: HELP PLEASE - Hand Scanner Problem\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nLines: 29\n\n\n\tIF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAERE TYPIST PLUS GRAPHICS\n\tHAND SCANNER, PLEASE READ ON AND SAVE MY LIFE.........\n\nMy problem is that my Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not\nconnect to my PowerBook 160.\n\nThe cable from the scanner will not fit the SCSI port of the computer. \n\nI managed to gaet a cabled assembled that adapted the cord to the\ncomputer. However, this placed the computer into SCSI mode, that is it\nacted as an external hard disk whenever i switched the computer on.\n\nI've asked an engineer in London to assemble a new Cable for me. But\nhe's taken 14 weeks and has yet to find the solution, out of sheer\nlaziness. And I know that a cable exists to solve the problem.\n\nIf you know the solution. Please let me know what cable I need and how I\ncan get hold of one. \n\nMy E-Mail address is :\n\n\t\t\tzia@uk.ac.ed.castle\t\t\n\nI will be truely grateful for all your help.\n\nThanking you in advance,\n\nZia.\n",
'From: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (JIMMY BUDDENBERG)\nSubject: should I get VESA controller card?\nOrganization: Muskingum College\nLines: 9\n\n\nI have a 486DX 25mhz with local bus. Would I see much of an increase in\nspeed in my drives if I got a VESA IDE controller card? I need advice!\n\n\n-- \nJimmy Buddenberg INTERNET: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu\nMuskingum College \n\n',
'From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Help with SIMM configuration\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don\'t care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 22\n\nrcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes:\n\n>Can someone please help me understand the current situation\n>regarding SIMMS?\n\n Sure. I can give is a shot...\n\n>I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.\n>I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.\n>I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.\n>Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?\n\n You need to get the 30-pin simms.\n\n>Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a \n>newer, more powerful system?\n\n If you mean in a "newer, more powerful" Mac system then the answer\nis no. Apple has stated that all new Macs will use the 72-pin SIMMs and\nno longer use the 30-pin SIMMs.\n\n-Hades\n',
"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 8\n\nDumbest options? Well here in the UK, BMW offer a 'no-smokers' option...\nIt just means they take the fag lighter out.... big deal....\n\nBTW - I just bought a Honda CRX F1..... its neat... did consider an MR2 targa,\nMX5 (you guys call it Miata?).... but that CRX just one my heart with that \nbody kit and 8-spokes.... \n\nps: is Richard out there somewhere?\n",
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme\'s?]"]\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19436\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <1993Mar29.181958.3224@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O\'Donnell) writes:\n>\n>I shouldn\'t have to be posting here. Physicians should know the Lyme\n>literature beyond Steere & co\'s denial merry-go-round. Patients\n>should get correctly diagnosed and treated.\n>\n\nWhy do you think Steere is doing this? Isn\'t he acting in good faith?\nAfter all, as the "discoverer" of Lyme for all intents and purposes,\nthe more famous Lyme gets, the more famous Steere gets. I don\'t\nsee the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the\nthose physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything.\nThere is a lot of money involved.\n\n>I\'m a computer engineer, not a doctor (,Jim). I was building a \n>computer manufacturing company when I got Lyme. I lost several \n>years of my life to near-total disability; partially as a result,\n>the company failed, taking with it over 150 jobs, my savings,\n>and everything I\'d worked for for years. I\'m one of the "lucky"\n>ones in that I found a physician through the Lyme foundation\n>and now can work almost full-time, although I have persistent\n>infection and still suffer a variety of sypmtoms. And now\n>I try to follow the Lyme literature.\n>\n\nWell, it is tragic what has happened to you, but it doesn\'t\nnecessarily make you the most objective source of information\nabout it. If your whole life is focussed around this, you\nmay be too emotionally involved to be advising other people\nwho may or may not have Lyme. Certainly advocacy of more research\non Lyme would not be out of order, though, and people like you\ncan be very effective there.\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)\nSubject: Re: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK?\nKeywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses\nArticle-I.D.: kestrel.1993Apr16.172052.27843\nOrganization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.063425.163999@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes:\n>I love the FAQ. \n>\n>The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining\n>correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is\n>this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well?\n>\n>Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of\n>only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to\n>95%? Why such a difference?\n\nIn myopia the cornea is too curved. There is too much of a bulge in the\ncenter.\n\nIn PRK the laser removes a small amount of material from the center.\n\nIn RK the surgeon cuts incisions near the edge. They heal, and the scarring\nreshapes the cornea.\n\nEntirely different mechanisms, and the action is in a different place.\n\n-dk\n",
'From: rttimme@emory.edu (Dr. Richard Timmer)\nSubject: Approach for Windows?\nOrganization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA\nLines: 21\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3\n\n[ Article crossposted from comp.os.ms-windows.apps ]\n[ Author was Dr. Richard Timmer ]\n[ Posted on 24 Apr 93 23:11:16 GMT ]\n\n\nHello WinNetters:\n\nI have seen a great deal of discussion herein on the relative merits of \nMS Access and Borland Paradox/Win. However, are there any users out there \nwith experience with the database package called "Approach". It has gotten\na number of very good reviews from the various mags. and it seems like it\nwould require less hardware overhead than Paradox. I have ruled out Access\nbecause some aspects of it are extremely non-intuitive, e.g. requiring a\nfield to always have a value. I like what I\'ve seen of Paradox, but it\nseems like the resource requirements are greater than what I have (386/25 MHz,\n6 MB ram).\n\nSo, please provide me with your thoughts are "Approach", good and bad. Thanks.\n\n\nRichard Timmer \n',
"From: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City\nReply-To: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 8\n\nI just started reading the group. I was wondering if someone\ncould re-post exactly what the Prophetic Warning to NYC was.\n\nThanks\n-jh\n\n[I suggest sending it to him via email with a cc to me. I'll hold\nit in my files in case someone else needs it. --clh]\n",
'From: Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn)\nSubject: Re: Clementine mission name\nOrganization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada\nLines: 22\n\n> Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:\n>\n> Old pioneer song from the 1850\'s or so goes as follows:\n>\n> "In a cavern, in a canyon,\n> Excavating for a mine,\n> Dwelt a miner, forty-niner,\n> And his daughter, CLEMENTINE"\n>\n> Chorus:\n> "Oh my darling, Oh my darling,\n> Oh my darling Clementine.\n> You are lost and gone forever,\n> Oh my darling Clementine."\n\n\n Let us hope that the performance of the spacecraft follows the\nsentiments of the first verse (miner) rather than the second (lost and gone\nforever).\n\n--\nBruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca\n',
"From: swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-)\nSubject: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: University of Technology, Sydney\nLines: 12\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au\nSummary: Cooling Towers?. Anyone know how they work?\nKeywords: Nuclear\nOrganisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia\n\n\n\nI really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\nthis board would be most appropriate.\nI was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\nare ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\nthat have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\nactual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\nI hope someone can help \n\n\n",
'From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nArticle-I.D.: vu-vlsi.C52G2H.8uC\nOrganization: Villanova University\nLines: 6\n\nNot exactly dumb, but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 Firebird \nbulging out of the _hood_ right in front of the driver. Neat place but I love \nto know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years. Also, does \nthe speedomete pointer on many US cars have to be 3 feet long?. \n\nBijan\n',
"From: tran@f18sunn.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran)\nSubject: Info on Ultrastor HD controller wanted\nOrganization: NAWC\nLines: 9\n\n\nHi netters,\n\nDoes anyone know have any info on the Ultrastor line of controller?\nI'm especially interested in the 14F and 34F SCSI controllers.\nPlease email any info ASAP. I'm building a system and that's one\nof the few conponents that is missing. Thanks.\n\nTri\n",
'From: brad@ravel.udel.edu (Brad Cain)\nSubject: Changing system fonts\nNntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 18\n\nI would like to change all of the system fonts in windows... I have a \nprogram that will generate system fonts from truetype, but i was \nwondering if there is a problem to help you set up all your system\nfonts.\n\nAlso, how do i change the icon text color... all of my icon text is black,\nand i want to change it... couldn\'t find any options in control panel or\nin win.ini\n\nbrad cain\nbrad@bach.udel.edu\n\n\n-- \n****************************************************************************\nbrad@bach.udel.edu Brad Cain \t\t\t N3NAF\ncain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu University of Delaware Electrical Engineering\ncain@freezer.cns.udel.edu "Blah, blah, blah" alt.blah \n',
'From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)\nSubject: Re: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?)\nOrganization: UCLA, Computer Science Department\nLines: 25\n\ntcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:\n\n>Chuck Petch writes:\n\n>>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming\n>>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days.\n>>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think\n>>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it\n>>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is\n>>drawing near. Look up!\n\n>How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who \n>can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline?\n\nIf I am not mistaken, the Jewish family names Cohen, Kahn, etc.\nare considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Aaron.\nThe family names Levi, Levene, etc. are considered to be legitimate\nindicators of descent from Levi. The main legal issue is the purification\nof the priesthood, which is supposed to involve finding the ashes of\nof the red heifer last used for this purpose 2000 years ago.\n_______________________________________________________________________________\n\nsteven stovall\nstovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu\n(310) 825-7307\n',
'From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ)\nSubject: Re: Searching for a phonetic font\nOrganization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam\nLines: 23\n\nweidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes:\n: I\'m searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If \n: anybody knows one, please mail me!\n: \n: Thanks.\n: \n: dw \n: \n: \n: ##################################################################\n: Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 #\n: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 #\n: Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: "Koennten Sie das #\n: Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?" << #\n\nYes, I\'m looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one,\nplease mail me too!\n\nThanks in advance\nPatrick Hudepohl\nVU Amsterdam\nThe Netherlands\n\n',
'From: gary@ioc.co.uk (Gary Phillips)\nSubject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups\nNntp-Posting-Host: ocelot.ioc.co.uk\nOrganization: Intelligent Office Company Ltd.\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <735525194.9026@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes:\n> Bryan Boreham (bryan@alex.com) wrote:\n> : In article <735259869.13021@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes:\n> : > The application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me".\n> : > The button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of\n> : > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the\n> : > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), \n> : > it is *much* slower.\n> : \n> : The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its\n> : positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because\n> : it thinks the window is already in the right place.\n> : \n> : Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to\n> : me; all information greatly received.\n\nThe only time I\'ve seen similar behaviour is when an X application forked a child\nwithout setting close on exec on the X display connection file descriptor.\nThe shell waited for a ConfigureNotify event that never arrived because it got\npicked up by the child. Sometimes the shell correctly got the ConfigureNotify if\nthe timing was \'right\'.\n\n-- \nGary Phillips\t\t| Email: gary@ioc.co.uk\nPhone: +44 81 528 9864\t|\t phones@cix.compulink.co.uk\nFax: +44 81 528 9878\t|\t \n',
'From: tjrad@iastate.edu (Thomas J Radosevich)\nSubject: Brewers injuries \nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 21\n\n\n\nHi all,\n\nI\'ve been locked in a small closet chained to a lab bench for the last week or\ntwo without access to really important information. I saw the 3.5 million\nshoulder back on the DL--How long is he out for (i.e. How many millions/inning\nwill he get this year?) Nothing personal against Higuera mind you, just\nwondering how Bud can keep coffing up money for him when he lets current\nbig producers go over a relative pittance. (Please realize the term \n"relative pittance" can only be used with sarcasm when discussing baseball\nsalaries.)\n\nAdditional questions: I did\'nt get to see Bones pitch this spring--how is\nhe looking and where is he going to fit in the rotation?\n\nHow is Surhoff shaping up defensively at third?\n\nAre they going to build a new stadium? When?\n\nTom\n',
"From: greg@cs.uct.ac.za (Gregory Torrance)\nSubject: Automatic layout of state diagrams\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town\nLines: 18\n\nHi,\n\nI'm hoping someone out there will be able to help our computer science\nproject group. We are doing computer science honours, and our project\nis to do a 'graphical simulator for a finite state automata'.\n\nBasically, the program must draw a diagram of a FSA from a textual grammar,\nshowing circles for states, and labeled arc's in-between.\n\nThe problem is working out the best way to layout the states, and draw the\narc's in-between so that as few arc's as possible cross each other.\n\nIf anyone has any suggestions/algorithms/bug-free ready to compile C code :) \nthat might help us, it would be much appreciated.\n\nThanks in advance,\n\nGregory\n",
'From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)\nSubject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City\nOrganization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory\nLines: 31\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.230236.18227@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) writes:\n> In article <1quule$5re@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n> |> \n> |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce\n> |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA.\n> |> \n> |> Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend????\n> Here are some selected excerpts of the invitation/registration form they\n> sent me. Retyped without permission, all typo\'s are mine.\n\nThanks for typing that in, Steven. Sounds like a "fall back and\nregroup" strategy session.\n\nI wanted to add that my copy of the brochure arrived with a flattering\ncover letter:\n\n"Invitations are being extended to those who have demonstrated a\nstrong committment to space program development and have been\ninfluential in its advancement. We sincerely hope you will be able to\nattend."\n\nWow! I wonder which of my contributions to the conquest of space\nconvinced them to send me this letter?\n\nI hope you decide to go, Pat. The Net can use some eyes and ears\nthere...\n\nBill Higgins | If we can put a man on the Moon, why can\'t\nFermilab | we put a man on the Moon? -- Bill Engfer\nhiggins@fnal.fnal.gov | If we can put a man on the Moon, why can\'t\nhiggins@fnal.Bitnet | we put a woman on the Moon? -- Bill Higgins\n',
'Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security)\nFrom: vkub@charlie.usd.edu (Vince Kub)\nReply-To: vkub@charlie.usd.edu\nOrganization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.\nNntp-Posting-Host: charlie\nLines: 82\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.143712.15338@cadkey.com>, eric@cadkey.com (Eric Holtman) writes:\n>In article <Apr13.011855.69422@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n>>\n>>I\'m not a lawyer, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but doing that could be\n>>considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for\n>>quite a while.\n>>\n>>The thing that\'s great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so\n>>even if the FBI do get the key, they\'re SOL unless they know the magic\n>>word. If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say\n>>"Oops, I forgot." Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution\n>>in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you\n>>didn\'t forget your pass phrase.\n>>\n>\n>Well, I\'m no lawyer, but I\'ll supply some ancedotal evidence which may\n>change your mind. ** Note ** I do not agree AT ALL with what went on in\n>this case, and neither will most of you. THAT DOESN\'T CHANGE THE FACT \n>THAT IT *DID* HAPPEN. Right here in America even.....\n>\n>About three or four years ago, there was a rather nasty custody case in\n>or around Washington D.C. The upshot was, an ex-husband was suing for \n>visitation rights, which were granted. The woman believed that the man\n>had been sexually molesting her children. (much like Allen/Farrow, but\n>not as famous). Anyhows, she spirits away the kids and refuses to tell the\n>court where they are, and denies him visitation rights.\n>\n>She "keeps her mouth shut", and what happens? She SITS IN JAIL for almost\n>a year, on CONTEMPT OF COURT, until the legislature passes a special law\n>limiting the time a person can be held. If they hadn\'t passed the law, she\'d\n>most likely still be there. The kids were in New Zealand, I belive.\n>\n>Now (story finished, commetary starting).... IMHO, the only reason the\n>legislature moved was because there was an outpouring of public sympathy\n>for this woman... most people believed she was right, and were outraged.\n>Not likely to happen for Joe Random Drug Dealer, Child Molester or perfectly\n>innocent privacy lover, who might have something\n>to hide. Innocent until proven guilty doesn\'t mean you get to walk out\n>of court humming a happy tune because the FBI can\'t read your disk. Just\n>ask those held for contempt, those who can\'t make bail, etc, etc.\n>\n>Again.... I disagree totally with the concept of holding someone based\n>on suspicion, but people who keep thinking that it won\'t happen are bound\n>to get a rude shock when it does......\n>-- \n\n Also not a lawyer, etc. but if I remember correctly the Contempt of Court\nbusiness is used in order to compel cooperation with what is (perhaps\nquestionably, different issue) the legitimate business of that court. Quite\nliterally the party is found guilty of holding the court "in contempt". Now,\nthe original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if\ncertain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no\nquestion of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no\nlonger there to be produced.\n\n Obstruction of justice would be a different issue but if the suspect in\nquestion would have some legitmate reason to protect his data from prying eyes\n(however extenuated) I think that this charge would be a hard nut to make. \n\n Perhaps it is time for a lawyer to step in and clear this all up?\n\n\n -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-\n \nVincent A. Kub, WD0DBX | "Saints should always be judged\n | guilty until they are proven\n vkub@charlie.usd.edu | innocent." -Geo. Orwell\n |\n 14 W.Cherry St. #2 | "It is good to die before one has\n Vermillion, S.Dakota 57069 | done anything deserving of death."\nphone or fax to (605) 624-8680 | - Anaxandirdes\n | King of Sparta\n -------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----\nVersion: 2.2\n\nmQBNAiudo1MAAAECAKRkUUWW+Tqsoa1nD+GaSbpXcDhSrHpMEBPjKlyiKuIjzaT6\nauO/hnqW/652YicVaJlXspb5D2giMc09TG2sGY0ABRG0CVZpbmNlIEt1Yg==\n=IuUb\n-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----\n\n',
"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)\nSubject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA\nLines: 28\nReply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: rsilver@world.std.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 15:02:18 GMT\n\nIn article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:\n-> \n-> Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks \n-> associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens \n-> are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function \n-> of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of \n-> the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish \n-> to know more. Thanks. \n\n\tI've read mixed opinions on this. Singed meat can contain\ncarcinogens, but unless you eat barbecued meat every meal, you're\nprobably not at much risk. I think I will live life on the edge and\ngrill my food.\n\n\tI've also read that using petroleum based charcoal starter can\nput some unwanted toxins in your food, or at least unwanted odor.\nI've been using egg carton cups dipped in paraffin for fire starters,\nand it actually lights faster and easier than lighter fluid. Several\npeople have told me that they have excellent results with a chimney,\nbasically a steel cylinder with wholes punched in the side. I've been\nmeaning to get one of these, but one hasn't presented itself while\nI've been out shopping. You can make one from a coffee can, but I buy\nmy coffee as whole beans in a bag, so I haven't had a big enough can\nlaying around.\n--\nJason C. Austin\nj.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov\n\n",
'From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nSubject: Re: migraine and exercise\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Invention Factory\'s BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis\nReply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nLines: 29\n\nJL> From: jlecher@pbs.org\nJL> > I would not classify a mild headache that was continuous for weeks\nJL> > as migraine, even if the other typical features were there (e.g.,\nJL> > unilateral, nausea and vomiting, photophobia). Migraines are, by\nJL> > common agreement, episodic rather than constant.\nJL> >\nJL> Well, I\'m glad that you aren\'t my doctor, then, or I\'d still be suffering.\nJL> Remember, I was tested for any other cause, and there was nothing. I\'m\nJL> otherwise very healthy.\nJL> The nagging pain has all of the qualifications: it\'s on one side, and\nJL> frequently included my entire right side: right arm, right leg, right eye,\nJL> even the right side of my tongue hurt or tingled. Noise hurt, light hurt,\nJL> thinking hurt. When it got bad, I would lose my ability to read.\n\nThe differential diagnosis between migraine and non-migranous pain\nis not *always* important, because some therapies are effective in\nboth (e.g., tricyclic antidepressants such as amitriptyline,\nnon-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen). Other\ntherapies may be more specific: beta-blockers such as propranolol\nwork better in migraine than tension-type headache.\n\nThe most important thing, from your perspective, is that you got\nrelief. Also, please understand that a diagnosis other than\nmigraine does not necessarily mean "psychogenic"; I suspect that\norganic factors play as large a role in tension-type headache as in\nmigraine.\n---\n . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)\n \n',
"From: bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper)\nSubject: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ??\nOrganization: CIMLINC, Inc. - Engineering\nLines: 63\n\nHello,\n \n I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have\ncome across a few that look good:\n\n Zapp 1.1 from Inmark\n Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software\n C++/Views from Liant\n Win++ from Blaise\n\nSome considerations I'm using:\n\n Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and\nintuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very \nimportant. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows\nprogramming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with\nthe native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the\nsake of changing the API, are valuable.\n\n Since we will be developing for the 32bit Windows NT system the\nmemory management issues and issues particular to the Windows 3.1 API are less\nimportant. \n\n We will probably buy another C++ class library (something like Tools.h++ or Booch\ncomponents from Rational) to handle data structures and other miscellaneous stuff\n (allocators etc...). So those features are not that important for this toolkit to have.\n\nThe two that I have narrowed it down to are ZApp and Zinc, they seem to be the two\ntoolkits that have received the most attention from the media. I was wondering if\nanyone had any first-hand experience with any of these toolkits (especially ZApp and Zinc).\n\nA couple of observations about these toolkits that seem particularly noteworthy are:\n\nZApp\n----\n Seems to have the most extensive coverage of Windows functionality and\n also includes some other miscellaneous useful classes.\n Has new fancy 3D-style controls available, and support for custom controls.\n Has a Windows NT version (Essential)\n Redirectable graphics display/output architecture (useful for printing)\n Sizer class for automatically managing control layout after resize.\n Seems to be the newcomer, this could be an advantage in designing a better system.\n \nZinc\n----\n Has a platform independent resource strategy. (Not too important for me right now)\n Comes with a interface builder tool\n Has a Windows NT version (Essential)\n Seems to have been around longer (more mature), but grew up out of a DOS version. \n Had a better demo :-)\n\nBoth have source code availability options\nBoth are lacking OLE support\nNeither seem to have any particular support for multimedia type stuff\n\n\nAny thoughts anyone has on this would be much appreciated,\n\nThanks,\n Brett Harper\n\n\nbrett.harper@cimlinc.com\n",
'From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)\nSubject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics\nOrganization: University of Maryland\nLines: 4\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu\nKeywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial\n\nYou can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a\nQ tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an\nointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply\nit for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth.\n',
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Sea? What sea? We said rivers!\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:\n\n>I am sick and tired of this \'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA\' sentance\n>attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can\'t be proven\n>as part of their plan!\n\n\tOk, I\'ll admit it. I can\'t find a quote with my meager online\nresources. but i did find this little gem:\n\n\t``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in\n\tthis part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch\n\tof the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the\n\toccupied homeland is liberated...\'\'\n\t--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79\n\n\tSo, Ahmed is right. There was nothing about driving Jews into\nthe sea, just a bit of "ethnic cleansing," and a river of blood.\n\n\tIs this an improvement?\n\nAdam\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Unconventional peace proposal\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500348:000:5967\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 18 07:24:00 1993\nLines: 131\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Unconventional peace proposal\n\n\nA unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.\n---------------------------------------------------------- by\n\t\t\t Elias Davidsson\n\nThe following proposal is based on the following assumptions:\n\n1. Fundamental human rights, such as the right to life, to\neducation, to establish a family and have children, to human\ndignity, the right to free movement, to free expression, etc. are\nmore important to human existence that the rights of states.\n\n2. In the event of a conflict between basic human rights and\nrights of collectivities, basic human rights should prevail.\n\n3. Between the collectivities defining themselves as\nJewish-Israeli and Palestinian-Arab, however labelled, an\nunresolved conflict exists.\n\n4. This conflict has caused great sufferings for millions of\npeople. It moreover poisons relations between communities, peoples\nand nations.\n\n5. Each year, the United States expends billions of dollars\nin economic and military aid to the conflicting parties.\n\n6. Attempts to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict by traditional\npolitical means have failed.\n\n7. As long as the conflict is perceived as that between two\ndistinct ethnical/religious communities/peoples which claim the\nland, there is no just nor peaceful solution possible.\n\n8. Love between human beings can be capitalized for the sake\nof peace and justice. When people love, they share.\n\nHaving stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal.\n\n1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants\nfor each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew\nand the other Palestinian-Arab.\n\n2. To be entitled for a grant, a couple will have to prove\nthat one of the partners possesses or is entitled to Israeli\ncitizenship under the Law of Return and the other partner,\nalthough born in areas under current Isreali control, is not\nentitled to such citizenship under the Law of Return.\n\n3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For\nthe second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each\nsubsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child.\n\n\n4. The Fund would be financed by a variety of sources which\nhave shown interest in promoting a peaceful solution to the\nIsraeli-Arab conflict, including the U.S. Government, Jewish and\nChristian organizations in the U.S. and a great number of\ngovernments and international organizations.\n\n5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed'\nmarriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on\n'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its\nethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a\ntruly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of\npeople would also help the integration of Israeli society into the\nMiddle-East in a graceful manner.\n\nObjections to this proposal will certainly be voiced. I will\nattempt to identify some of these:\n\n1. The idea of providing financial incentives to selected\nforms of partnership and marriage, is not conventional. However,\nit is based on the concept of affirmative action, which is\nrecognized as a legitimate form of public policy to reverse the\nperverse effects of segregation and discrimination. International\nlaw clearly permits affirmative action when it is aimed at\nreducing racial discrimination and segregation.\n\n2. It may be objected that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict\nis not primarily a religious or ethnical conflict, but that it is\na conflict between a colonialist settler society and an indigenous\ncolonized society that can only regain its freedom by armed\nstruggle. This objection is based on the assumption that the\n'enemy' is not Zionism as ideology and practice, but\nIsraeli-Jewish society and its members which will have to be\ndefeated. This objection has no merit because it does not fulfill\nthe first two assumptions concerning the primacy of fundamental\nhuman rights over collective rights (see above)\n\n3. Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of\nfinancial incentives to encourage 'mixed marriages'. From their\npoint of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People\noverrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of\nhuman rights. The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar\nBronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he\ngave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing\nassimilation of Jews in the world a <calamity>, comparable in its\neffects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit\neither because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see\nabove)\n\n4. It may objected that only a few people in\nIsrael/Palestine, would request such grants and that it would thus\nnot serve its purpose. To this objection one might respond that\nalthough it is not possible to determine with certainty the effect\nof such a proposal, the existence of such a Fund would help mixed\ncouples to resist the pressure of their respective societies and\nencourage young couples to reject fundamentalist and racist\nattitudes.\n\n5. It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to\nbring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has\nmerits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than\n$3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government\nand by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the\nMiddle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would\nsuffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable\nclimate towards the existence of 'mixed' marriages in\nIsrael/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a\nnon-segregated society in that worn-torn land.\n\nI would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as\nwell for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful\ndiscussion and enrichment.\n\nElias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND\n\n",
"From: T. Kephart <kephart@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>\nSubject: Re: LCIII problems (sideways HD's)\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F445923701F2E6@b62182.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:14:26 GMT\n\nIn article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes:\n> \tIts not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a \n> vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position,\nit can \n> not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical\nposition. \n> I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from\nnow, but \n> why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem,\nplease \n> mail me at:===> sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu <===. \n> \n\nSunny,\n\nI asked this question a while ago while contemplating placing my 650 on \nit's side. I received a response from someone at Seagate (Sorry I \ntrashed the message) stating that most newer drives (Seagates at the \nleast) can very well compensate for gravity. This means that a \nhorizontally formatted drive can be later placed vertically with no data \nintegrity problems. The only way that newer drives cannot work is if you \nhave varying forces (shaking, bouncing, etc) so don't place the drive on \nit's side on a rocking chair :). What constitutes a 'newer' drive I \ndon't know, try calling your drive manufacturer. I have a Quantum LP240S \ninternal, and since I got it a month ago, I am guessing it's 'newer'.\n\n-t\n",
"From: durtralp@ux1.isu.edu (Ralph Durtschi)\nSubject: Re: IIsi clock upgrade\nOrganization: Idaho State University, Pocatello\nLines: 47\n\nHi, I have been getting a lot of requests for this information so I thought\nI would post it for those interested parties. (Sorry for length).\n\nTo increase the MacIISi speed to 25MHz or 33MHz the clock must be changed\nfrom 40MHz to 50MHz or 64MHz respectively.\nThis is done by going to a static-free work station or putting some\naluminum foil down to work on.\n\t1. Open up the Si by lifting the tabs at the back of the case.\n\t2. Remove the Hard Disk by disconnecting the power and SCSI cables,\n\t\tspreading the tabs, and lifting the drive out.\n\t3. Remove the flopy drive.\n\t4. Remove the power supply by spreading the tab in front and lifting\n\t\tthe supply straight up and out.\n\t5. Remove the fan by pressing the ears together at the back, bottom\n\t\tside of the fan and lifting straight up and out.\n\t6. Remove the Mother Board by spreading the tabs on the left and\n\t\tright side of the board and sliding the board forward then\n\t\tlifting the board out. (all connectors on the back of the\n\t\tboard must be removed first)\n\t7. Desolder the 40MHz clock (the one closest to the memory modules).\n\t\tThis is not easy even for a skilled solderer.\n\t8. Get an IC socket with the round pins and remove four of the pins\n\t\tby pushing them up from the bottom with long nose pliers.\n\t9. Put the four pins in the holes vacated by the clock and solder \n\t\tthem in.\n\t10.Insert a 50MHz or 64MHz clock.\n\t11.Put large power transistor heat sink's on the processor chip and \n\t\tthe other large chip just to the right of the processor and\n\t\tfigure some way to hold the heat sync's in place. I made a\n\t\tsimple clamp by putting a four inch screw up through the hole\n\t\tin the board between the two chips. Mount the screw using\n\t\tinsulated washers. Screw a cross member down over the heat\n\t\tsync's to hold them in place. Don't use too much pressure.\n\n\t12. Put it all back together and go-for-it.\n\nDisclaimer: this is only the procedure I used and is not authorized by anyone.\n\t You are on your own for this procedure. I'm quite sure it will\n\t void your warentee.\n\nBye for now,\n************************************************\nRalph Durtschi (208) 236-3256\nIdaho State University\nEMAIL: durtralp@ux1.isu.edu\n************************************************ \n\n",
"From: jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH)\nSubject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 198\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes\n:\n>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest\n>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball,\n>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of\n>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions...\n>\n>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried\n>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded\n>for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average,\n>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases\n>(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP.\n>\n>1B Career\n> 1) Lou Gehrig\n> 2) Jimmie Foxx\n> 3) Eddie Murray\n> 4) Hank Greenberg\n> 5) Johnny Mize\n> 6) Willie McCovey\n> 7) Dick Allen\n> 8) Harmon Killebrew\n> 9) Kieth Hernandez\nIt's i before e except after c, and in people named kEIth.\n\n>10) Bill Terry\n>11) George Sisler\n>\n>2B\n> 1) Eddie Collins\n> 2) Joe Morgan\n> 3) Jackie Robinson\n> 4) Rogers Hornsby\n> 5) Nap Lajoie\n> 6) Rhyne Sandberg\nLearn to spell. It's Ryne.\n\n> 7) Charlie Gehringer\n> 8) Rod Carew\n> 9) Bobby Grich\n>10) Bobby Doerr\n>\n>SS\n> 1) Honus Wagner\n> 2) Cal Ripken Jr\n> 3) John Lloyd\n> 4) Ozzie Smith\n> 5) Robin Yount\n> 6) Joe Cronin\n> 7) Arky Vaughan\n> 8) Luke Appling\n> 9) Ernie Banks\n>10) Lou Boudreau\n>\n>3B\n> 1) Mike Schmidt\n> 2) Ed Matthews\n> 3) George Brett\n> 4) Wade Boggs\n> 5) Ron Santo\n> 6) Brooks Robinson\n> 7) Frank Baker\n> 8) Darrell Evans\n> 9) Pie Traynor\n>10) Ray Dandridge\n>\nHow can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.\n\n\n\n\n>C\n> 1) Josh Gibson\n***********************\n1a) Darren Daulton * MVP 1993\n***********************\n\n> 2) Yogi Berra\n> 3) Johnny Bench\n> 4) Mickey Cochrane\n> 5) Bill Dickey\n> 6) Gabby Hartnett\n> 7) Roy Campanella\n> 8) Gary Carter\n> 9) Carlton Fisk\n>10) Thurman Munson\n>\n>LF\n> 1) Ted Williams\n> 2) Stan Musial\n> 3) Rickey Henderson\n> 4) Carl Yastrzemski\n> 5) Barry Bonds\n> 6) Tim Raines\n> 7) Joe Jackson\n> 8) Ralph Kiner\n> 9) Willie Stargell\n>10) Al Simmons\n>\n>CF\n> 1) Willie Mays\n> 2) Ty Cobb\n> 3) Tris Speaker\n> 4) Mickey Mantle\n> 5) Joe DiMaggio\n> 6) Oscar Charleston\n> 7) Andre Dawson\n> 8) Duke Snider\n> 9) Kirby Puckett\n>10) Dale Murphy\n>\n>RF\n> 1) Babe Ruth\n> 2) Hank Aaron\n> 3) Frank Robinson\n> 4) Mel Ott\n> 5) Al Kaline\n> 6) Reggie Jackson\n> 7) Dave Winfield\n> 8) Roberto Clemente\n> 9) Tony Gwynn\n>10) Pete Rose\n>\n>P\n> 1) Walter Johnson\n> 2) Lefty Grove\n> 3) Cy Young\n> 4) Christy Mathewson\n> 5) Pete Alexander\n> 6) Tom Seaver\n> 7) Roger Clemens\n> 8) Bob Gibson\n> 9) Warren Spahn\n>10) Satchel Paige\n>11) Juan Marichal\n>12) Whitey Ford\n>13) Bob Feller\n>14) Jim Palmer\n>15) Steve Carlton\n>\n>Overall (estimated):\n> 1) Ruth\n> 2) Williams\n> 3) Mays\n> 4) Cobb\n> 5) Aaron\n> 6) Wagner\n> 7) Speaker\n> 8) Schmidt\n> 9) W.Johnson\n>10) Mantle\n>11) Musial\n>12) DiMaggio\n>13) F.Robinson\n>14) Grove\n>15) Henderson\n>16) J.Gibson\n>17) C.Young\n>18) Collins\n>19) Foxx\n>20) Mathewson\n>21) Alexander\n>22) Morgan\n>23) J.Robinson\n>24) Hornsby\n>25) Ott\n>26) Seaver\n>27) Clemens\n>28) Matthews\n>29) Lajoie\n>30) Yastrzemski\n>31) Kaline\n>32) Brett\n>33) Gibson\n>34) Spahn\n>35) Charleston\n>36) Berra\n>37) Ripken Jr.\n>38) Lloyd\n>39) Raines\n>40) Sandberg\n>41) Gehringer\n>42) O.Smith\n>43) Yount\n>44) Ba.Bonds\n>45) Paige\n>46) R.Jackson\n>47) Marichal\n>48) Ford\n>49) Feller\n>50) Boggs\n>\n>\n>Again, feel free to comment...\n>\n>Mike, BSU\n>\n-- \n",
"From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon)\nSubject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on...\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu\nLines: 7\n\nI've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first\nhappened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately...\n\n\n\t\t\tT.J. Pilon\n\t\t\tpilon@rpi.edu\n\n",
"From: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk (Alex Kiernan)\nSubject: Re: .SCF files, help needed \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: DIS(organised)\nReply-To: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk\nX-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21)\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.123832.23894@daimi.aau.dk> rued@daimi.aau.dk writes:\n\n>RIX's files with the extension .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with\n>a 256 color palette.\n>...stuff deleted...\n>regards\n>Thomas \n>\n\nDo you happen to know what a .SCO RIX file is?\n\n-- \nAlex Kiernan\nakiernan@falcon.demon.co.uk\n",
"From: davis@b11.b11.ingr.com (Chris Davis)\nSubject: For Sale or Trade: IBM Games\nOrganization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL\nLines: 29\n\n ***** IBM GAMES FOR SALE OR TRADE *****\n\no ADVENTURE\n\n Eric the Unready -- Legend -- $35\n King's Quest V -- Sierra -- CD-ROM edition -- $35\n\no SPORTS\n\n Michael Jordan In Flight -- Electronic Arts -- $35\n Mike Ditka's Ultimate Football -- Accolade -- $30\n David Ledbetter's Greens -- Microprose -- $30\n\no STRATEGY\n\n Risk -- Virgin -- $10\n\n\nThis software comes with all original packaging and manuals.\nPrice includes ground shipping to continental US.\n\nI will trade for current games; send me your list...\n\n--\n\nchris davis\nccdavis@nuwave.b11.ingr.com\n205-730-6236\n\n",
"From: sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nOrganization: -*- Whiting Corporation, Harvey, Illinois -*-\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 11\n\nrenew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:\n: A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView.\n: Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post\n: it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes:\n: \n: CView has quite a number of bugs. The one you mention is perhaps the most\n:\nA stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\nam still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\nThanks!\n \n",
"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: getting to the point!\nLines: 12\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 12\n\nTo all a.a readers:\n I have been asked be several of you to post a list of the SDA Church's \n27 Fundamental beliefs. I warn you now, it's a long list. However, I'll \npost it on Sunday. Sabbath is coming up soon so I won't be reading on \nSaturday. And I don't have time to do it now.\n I would GREATLY appreciate it if you would keep me in touch with what's \ngoing on.\n I hope all of you have a reastful and relaxing weekend. I hope it's \nthe best one so far!!\n\nTammy\n\n",
"From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)\nSubject: Re: Winjet accelerator card\nOrganization: The University of British Columbia\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\nIn <C5r1yA.3EF@unix.portal.com> wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) writes:\n\n>\tWinJet is not a video card -- it's _printer_ accelerator manufactured\n>\tby LaserMaster (Eden Prairie, MN).\n\nI know there's a WinJet for the LaserJet and there's also a WinJet accelerator\nvideo card. This is probably not available in the US, but I am sure it is\nbeing marketed in Canada. I thought you guys over there would have heard some-\nthing about it.\n\n",
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Kyle K. on Rodney King\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on\n>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that\n ^^^^^\n>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? \n\nI\'m curious why you think that particular adjective is important.\n-- \nted frank | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I\'m sorry, the card says "Moops."\nthe u of c law school | \nstandard disclaimers | \n',
'From: sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nOrganization: -*- Whiting Corporation, Harvey, Illinois -*-\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 23\n\nbryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:\n: In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:\n: \n: >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\n: >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\n: >Thanks!\n: > \n: \n: Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do\n: any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is\n: so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND\n: graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have\n: X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like\n: doc, image viewers like xv, etc.\n:\nUmmm, I beg to differ. A kind soul sent me a program called DPG-VIEW that\nwill do exactly what I want, view GIF images under Linux without X-Windows.\nAnd, it does support all the way up to 1024x768. The biggest complaint I\nhave is it is painfully SLOW. It takes about 1 minute to display an image.\nI am use to CSHOW under DOS which takes a split second. Any idea why it\nis so slow under Linux? Anybody have anything better? Plus, anybody have\nthe docs to DPG-View? Thanks!\n \n',
'From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)\nSubject: Re: AF/ATS: Red Army Fraction (RAF) communique\nReply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)\nOrganization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH\nLines: 33\n\nAs quoted from <c115184.734895755@assn119> by c115184@cs.UAlberta.CA (Merth Eric William):\n\n> \n> >In article <C4vBM1.Gs0@NCoast.ORG>, cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:\n> \n> >|>As quoted from <C4vCtB.J1H@dscomsa.desy.de> by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker):\n> >|>\n> >|>> Isn\'t it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate\n> >|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism?\n> >|>\n> >|>Gee Phil, I\'d remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the\n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> >|>net. I\'d also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed\n> ^^^\n> \n> Damn. It isn\'t Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all\n> those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd\n> innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. (\'cause\n> _everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even\n> if it has to get you killed first]).\n> What a fool I\'ve been. \n\nWhat you fail to see is that in order to make a nightmarish stew of psychosis\nand repression, you have to break a few eggs. You the evil productive \nelements in society, are those eggs....\n\nDamn the spirit, full speed ahead....\n\n-- \n===================================================================\n"You\'re like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers\nfighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in\nArkansas" - Holly Silva\n',
'From: revc@garg.campbell.ca.us (Bob Van Cleef)\nSubject: Re: SSPX schism ?\nOrganization: The Land of Garg\nLines: 48\n\n>From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)\n\n\n>Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some\n>soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually\n>some Pope *will* straighten all this out. But, on the other hand,\n>there is also unsoundness in this, in that, in the short term, the\n>Popes may indeed be wrong, and such Catholics are doing nothing to\n>help the situation by obeying them where they\'re wrong. In fact, if\n>the situation is grave enough, they sin in obeying him. At the very\n>least, they\'re wasting a great opportunity, because they are failing\n>to love Christ in a heroic way at the very time that He needs this\n>badly.\n\nJoe;\n\nYour logic excapes me. \n\nIf the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the \nPope cannot "be wrong!" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter \nof faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the\nPope is the legal head of the church.\n\nIn other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice\nbut to obey.\n\nBob\n\n-- \n><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> \\|/ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><\nBob Van Cleef Peace -0- be revc@garg.Campbell.CA.US\nThe Land of Garg BBS unto /|\\ you BBS (408) 378-5108\n><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> | <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><\n\n\n[You might want to look at the FAQ on infallibility. The doctrine on\ninfallibility does not say that the pope is always right. All\nCatholic theologians acknowledge that there have been a number of\noccasions when the pope was wrong. There appear to be two aspects to\ninfallibility. One is a general concept that in the long run the\nChurch is protected from serious error. However this does not mean\nthat it\'s impossible for it to take wrong turns at one time or\nanother. The more specific concept of papal infallibility is that in\nvery specific circumstances a papal statement can be known to be\ninfallible. However a relatively small fraction of statements meet\nthose criteria. This does not absolve Catholics from the duty to obey\neven "ordinary" teachings of the pope. However only a few teachings\nare made in a way that is explicitly infallible. --clh]\n',
'From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security)\nKeywords: cooperation\nReply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.055903.5358@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:\n>\n>\n>I say "in theory" because in another case, a woman was held in\n>contempt for refusing to reveal the location of her child even after\n>taking the 5th. In this case, the woman was suspected of having\n>murdered the kid, so taking the 5th wasn\'t surprising. Sure, so she\n>was probably guilty, but that\'s not good enough. In our system you\'re\n>not supposed to be able to force a suspect to confess to a crime, no\n>matter how strongly you think they\'re guilty. You have to develop\n>your evidence independently. Doing otherwise might catch a few more\n>crooks, but only at the cost of turning the clock back to the middle\n>ages, when confessions were routinely tortured out of suspects both\n>guilty and innocent.\n>\n OK, I should have read the thread before posting my own $0.02. I would\njust add to Phil\'s very infomative discussion the following caveat: the\nfifth amendment applies ONLY in crinial cases. ("...nor shall any person .\n. . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...").\nThus if the father sued for custody of the children, the case would be\ncivil and the defendant mother would not have fifth amendment protection.\nOddly enough, her refusal to give information in a civil case can lead to\ncriminal contempt charges (thus landing her in jail.) The interesting part\nof all this is that in a murder trial, the woman CAN plead the fifth as \nto the location of the child--this is routine. A "computer crime" \nprosecution thus would seem to be fertile ground for this kind of defense, \nwhere a suit by a party injured by "hackers" would not. If I am accused, \nfor example, of sending encrypted kiddie porn over the nets the fifth should \nprotect my key. If I am accused of sending copyrighted material, however,\nit proabably will not (copyright infringement not being a "crime" in the\ntechnical sense.) The REALLY tricky question is, say I do both (naughty\nboy that I am) can the government use the information gained in the civil\ntrial (ie. my key) to gain access to my files for use in the criminal\nprosecution. The answer should certainly be no, but lord only knows how\nthis would work out.\n\nSteve.\n \n\n-- \n Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School\n steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu \n "All I did was kiss a girl." - Jake, the night before his hanging.\n',
'From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)\nSubject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance?\nNntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS\nLines: 52\n\nIn article <C5J5MI.FMI@news.rich.bnr.ca> Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes:\n>|> In article <C5Csux.Fn1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei\n>|> nz) writes:\n>|> >After too many years of school I\'m finally graduating and getting a real\n>|> >job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra\n>|> >money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty &\n>|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around\n>|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a\n>|> >better idea -- I\'ll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I\'ve\n>|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+\n>|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway.\n>|> >\n>|> >Basically, I\'m thinking of a late 70\'s, early 80\'s for around $7-$10k.\n>|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks,\n>|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main\n>|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are\n>|> >good prices?\n>|> >\n>|> >Also, what would insurance look like? I\'m male, single, 23 (I might\n>|> >wait until I\'m 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that\n>|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of "classic\n>|> >car" or "rarely driven" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles\n>|> >per year?\n>|> >\n>|> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say \'classic insurance\'.\n>|> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving\n>|> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would\n>|> probably suit your needs for limited mileage.\n>|> -- \n>\n In my area, Denver, if you look around alittle you can get an\n 1984 for 10,000 or less, not much less. You said your not looking\n to go fast, they are a really nice car just not real powerful.>\n>In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require\n>that the vehicle be garaged when not in use.\n>\n>$0.02\n>\n>Ericy\n>\n>\n> *---------------------------------+---------------------------*\n> | Eric Youngblood |\n> | Bell-Northern Research _ |\n> | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~- |\n> | \\, _} |\n> | \\( +---------------------------|\n> | | Peon w/o Email privs |\n> *---------------------------------+---------------------------*\n\n\n',
'From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 36\n\nIn <kmr4.1576.734879396@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n\n>In article <1qj9gq$mg7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank \nO\'Dwyer) writes:\n\n>>Is good logic *better* than bad? Is good science better than bad? \n\n> By definition.\n\n\n> great - good - okay - bad - horrible\n\n> << better\n> worse >>\n\n\n> Good is defined as being better than bad.\n\n>---\nHow do we come up with this setup? Is this subjective, if enough people agreed\nwe could switch the order? Isn\'t this defining one unknown thing by another? \nThat is, good is that which is better than bad, and bad is that which is worse\nthan good? Circular?\n\nMAC\n> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. \n> \n\n--\n****************************************************************\n Michael A. Cobb\n "...and I won\'t raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois\n class to pay for my programs." Champaign-Urbana\n -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu\n \nWith new taxes and spending cuts we\'ll still have 310 billion dollar deficits.\n',
'From: dsoconne@quads.uchicago.edu (Daniel S OConnell)\nSubject: Re: Religion and homosexuality\nKeywords: being liberal\nReply-To: dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 32\n\n> magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (COMPUTER DUDETTE) writes:\n\n>I just recently realized that I am bisexual, and also just recently returned to\n>religion, and have a good friend who has pointed out to me that homosexuality\n>is a sin in the bible. Well, I don\'t see how it could be considered a sin,\n\nFirst of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly\nmentioned in the bibles, so you\'re off the hook there, I think. In\nany event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who\ndo not consider a person\'s sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual\nas an "immoral lifestyle choice"\n\n>Also, I have always been a somewhat liberal feminist, and am pro-choice, and it\n>seems that being pro-choice and being religious don\'t mix either. I am told\n\nThis is another misconception. You are not being told the whole story.\n\nMy former minister is a lesbian, and I know personally and\nprofessionally several openly gay and lesbian ministers. I am\na Unitarian-Universalist and like most others in my denomination,\nam pro-choice. You needn\'t go looking to the Unitarian Universalists\n(which is a liberal religion) for acceptance of your sexual\nidentification and pro-choice views, however; there are many of us\nwho believe in spirituality AND freedom of conscience.\n\nGood Luck on your journey!\n\n-- \nDaniel O\'Connell\nMeadville/Lombard Theological School\nUniversity of Chicago Divinity School\n<dsoconne@uchicago.edu>\n',
"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nLines: 29\n\npat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n\n> Can you, while my mind is on it, give us one good reason that the\n> algorithm should be a secret algorithm, unless this encryption scheme\n> either is a joke, or contains features like a 'master key' or other back\n> door for UNAUTHORIZED eavesdropping?\n\nHmm, here are a couple:\n\n1) If the algorithm becomes known, it will be easy to produce\npin-compatible non-crippled chips that provide -real- encryption and\nprivacy, because their keys are only in their users' hands.\n\n2) Since SkipJack is a symmetric key cypher, it needs some way to\nagree on a session key. The released information says that any\nprotocol may be used (e.g., DH). From a theoretical point of view,\nthis is probably true. However, from a practical point of view, those\nchips must have some kind of key exchange protocol built-in. What if\nit is good old RSA? This will mean that the producer will have to pay\nlots of bucks to PKP. By keeping the details secret this can be\navoided...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n",
'From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill)\nSubject: Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams\nOrganization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.025240.8884@nwnexus.WA.COM>, mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon) writes:\n> I have an algorithm similar to Bresenhams line drawing algorithm, that\n> draws a line by stepping along the minor axis and drawing slices like\n> AAAA, BBBB, CCCC in the following diagram.\n> \n> AAAA\n> BBBB\n> CCCC\n> \n\n\tYes, that\'s known as "Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for\nIncremental lines". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics,\nSpringer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985.\n\n> I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can\'t figure out\n> how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas?\n\n\tHmm. I don\'t think I can help you with this, but you might\ntake a look at the following:\n\n\t"Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles",\nX. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing,\nVol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334\n\n\t"Double-Step Generation of Ellipses", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne,\nIEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69\n\n\tGraeme Gill.\n',
'Subject: Re: islamic authority over women\nFrom: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.124112.12959@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes:\n\n>For the guy who said he\'s just arrived, and asked whether Bobby\'s for real,\n>you betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse.\n>I have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone\n>(Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff?\n\n\tSorry, I was, but I somehow have misplaced my diskette from the last \ncouple of months or so. However, thanks to the efforts of Bobby, it is being \nreplenished rather quickly! \n\n\tHere is a recent favorite:\n\n\t--\n\n\n "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. \n They do what god tells them to do. "\n\n S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) \n\n\n--\n\n\n "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. \n They do what god tells them to do. "\n\n S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) \n',
'From: joel@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Joseph Look)\nSubject: Bar code fonts\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc.\nLines: 3\n\nI am looking for some bar code fonts especially code 3 of 9. Did anybody\nknow any ftp sites or BBS that I can download these types of fonts? \nPlease email to me if you have any info. Thanks!\n',
'From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)\nSubject: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\n\nBuck Showalter just can\'t win. \n\nBob Wickman\'s pitching the game of his life through eight innings (Yanks\nlead 6-1), so Buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete\ngame. Wickman manages to get two outs, but in between, four funs score,\nand all of a sudden it\'s 6-5, and Wickman just can\'t get the third out.\nSo Buck goes to the bullpen, and Farr gets out the first guy he faces.\n\nLast night, Jimmy Key is pitching another in a long string of games of his\nlife (this guy just keeps getting better!) through eight innings (Yanks\nlead 4-0). This time, Buck thinks, "I don\'t want a repeat of that\nnear-fiasco with Wickman, so I\'ll give my bullpen some work." Steve Howe,\nwhose ERA was 54.00 coming into the game, left with it at 81.00. He didn\'t\ndo too good. Then Farr comes in. He gives up a two-run homer, and the\nRoyals win it, 6-5.\n\nWhat\'s going on? This is already the third or fourth time this year that\nthe bullpen has blown a lead. Farr & Howe have done it twice together,\nMonteleone\'s done it once, and I think even Habyan did it once. What\'s the\ndeal? We finally have terrific starting pitching, so all of a sudden, our\nbullpen turns to shit!\n\nWhat\'s Buck gonna do? And what\'s George gonna do if this continues to happen?\n\n-Alan\n',
'From: PPORTH@hq.nasa.gov ("Tricia Porth (202")\nSubject: Remote Sensing Data\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nMmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 137\n\n=================================================================\nI am posting this for someone else. Please respond to the \naddress listed below. Please also excuse the duplication as this \nmessage has been crossposted. Thanks!\n=================================================================\n \n \n REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES \n VIA THE INTERNET\n \nNASA is planning to expand the domain of users of its Earth and space science\ndata. This effort will:\n \n o Use the evolving infrastructure of the U.S. Global Change Research \n Program including the Mission To Planet Earth (MTPE) and the Earth \n Observing System Data and Information System (EOSDIS) Programs.\n \n o Use the Internet, particularly the High Performance Computing and \n Communications Program\'s NREN (National Research and Education \n Network), as a means of providing access to and distribution of \n science data and images and value added products.\n \n o Provide broad access to and utilization of remotely sensed images in \n cooperation with other agencies (especially NOAA, EPA, DOE, DEd, \n DOI/USGS, and USDA). \n \n o Support remote sensing image and data users and development \n communities. \n \nThe user and development communities to be included (but not limited to) as\npart of this effort are educators, commercial application developers (e.g., \ntelevision weather forecasters), librarians, publishers, agriculture \nspecialists, transportation, forestry, state and local government planners, and\naqua business.\n \nThis program will be initiated in 1994. Your assistance is requested to \nidentify potential applications of remote sensing images and data. We would \nlike your ideas for potential application areas to assist with development of\nthe Implementation Plan.\n \nPLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. \n \nWe are seeking your ideas in these areas: \n \n (1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images; \n \n (2) Potential noncommercial use of remote sensing data and images in \n education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas;\n \n (3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data more \n accessible;\n \n (4) Additional points of contacts for ideas; and \n \n (5) Addresses and names from whom to request proposals. \n \nFor your convenience, a standard format for responses is included below. Feel\nfree to amend it as necessary. Either e-mail or fax your responses to us by\nMay 5, 1993.\n \nE-MAIL: On Internet "rsdwg@orion.ossa.hq.nasa.gov" ASCII - No binary \nattachments please\n \nFAX: Ernie Lucier, c/o RSDWG, NASA HQ, FAX 202-358-3098\n \nSurvey responses in the following formats may also be placed in the FTP \ndirectory ~ftp/pub/RSDWG on orion.nasa.gov. Please indicate the format. \nAcceptable formats are: Word for Windows 2.X, Macintosh Word 4.X and 5.X, and \nRTF. \n \n \n \n----------------------------RESPONSE FORMAT--------------------------\n \nREQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET\n \n(1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images (if possible,\nidentify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and\nstandards).\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(2) Uses of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels\nK-12) and other noncommercial areas (if possible, identify the relevant types\nof data or science products, user tools, and standards). \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data and images\nmore accessible (if possible, identify relevant types of formats, standards,\nand user tools)\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(4) Additional suggested persons or organizations that may be resources for \nfurther ideas on applications areas. Please include: Name, Organization, \nAddress and Telephone Number.\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(5) Organizations, mailing lists (electronic and paper), periodicals, etc. to\nwhom a solicitation for proposals should be sent when developed. Please \ninclude: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number.\n \n \n \n(6) We would benefit from knowing why users that know about NASA remote \nsensing data do not use the data. Is it because they do not have ties to NASA\ninvestigators, or high cost, lack of accessibility, incompatible data formats,\npoor area of interest coverage, inadequate spatial or spectral resolution, ...?\n \n \n \n \n \n(7) In case we have questions, please send us your name, address, phone number\n(and e-mail address if you have one). If you don\'t wish to send us this\ninformation, feel free to respond to the survey anonymously. Thank you for\nyour assistance. \n \n \n',
'From: beers@cs.buffalo.edu (Andrew Beers)\nSubject: CPM & C64 Stuff Forsale\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: hadar.cs.buffalo.edu\n\n\n=======\nFORSALE\n=======\n\nCPM Computers:\n1. Model AMPRO A13001 Rev A, with or without 2 720K 5 1/4" floppy drives and\n system disks. Z80 processor.\n2. Unknown brand. w/Miniscribe Model 1006 hard drive. 1/2 height 8" Shugart\n model 810 floppy drive. Keyboard. System disks.\n\nAlso:\n2 - 8" Shugart model 801 floppy drives.\n\nAlso:\nCommodore 64 computer, 1541 disk drive.\n\nWill sell in whole or in parts. Buyer pays shipping.\n\nTo make offers, either email beers@cs.buffalo.edu or call (716) 741-9272, and\nask for Jonathan.\n\nAndrew\n',
'From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Who, me???\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <pww-180493195323@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.210407.10208@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin\n>Darcy) wrote:\n>> The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the\n>> primary ontological "stuff" from which all other ontology was built --\n>> perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in\n>> seeing intentionality (or "values", as he puts it) underlying all human\n>> experience, even the so-called "objective" experiences, such as \n>> measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip.\n>\n>And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation.\n\nI\'ll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t- Kevin\n',
"From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj)\nSubject: Re: proof of resurection\nOrganization: Huh? Whuzzat?\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <Apr.16.23.15.09.1993.1823@geneva.rutgers.edu> smayo@world.std.com (Scott A Mayo) writes:\n>...\n>I think Christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is\n>ever disproved. ...\n\nDidn't Paul write that if the Resurrection is not true, we are the\nbiggest fools of all? However, whether you believe in Christ or not,\nHis teachings (e.g. love your brotherman as yourself), even if only \nfollowed at a secular level, could do a great deal to alleviate some of \nthe problems we see today in the world. Even when I was a rabid atheist \nI couldn't deny that.\n\nJeff Johnson\njcj@tellabs.com\n",
'From: shapiro-david@yale.edu (David Shapiro)\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nOrganization: What, me organized?\nLines: 8\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu\nIn-reply-to: Ryan Kearns\'s message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:09:21 EDT\n\n\nWoof woof!\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Shapiro\t\t\t| "People can call it a monkey, but I felt like\nshapiro-david@yale.edu\t\t| I had a piano on my back all winter long....\nshapiro@minerva.cis.yale.edu\t| The piano is off my back. Maybe a trombone\n\t\t\t\t| will be next." -- Stan Belinda\n',
'From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT)\nSubject: Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eighth-graders\nOrganization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater\nKeywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants\nLines: 87\n\n\nThe article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993\nissue of USA Today ("Drug Use Up Among U.S. eighth-graders" by Mike\nSnider, p. 6D).\n\n A new national survey says drugs are easier to get, more teens are\n using them and fewer deem drug use as risky. \n\n For the last two years, government officials have trumpeted results\n from the National High School Survey as signs that the drug war is\n being won. But this year, officials are retreating - drug use by\n eighth-graders has risen, according to the survey of 50,000 students\n nationwide.\n\n Possible reason for the increase: more experimentation. Why? If\n drug use dropped during the \'80s, eventually some students will\n have fewer "drug-using contemporaries" who act as examples of\n substance abuse\'s drawbacks, says social psychologist Lloyd Johnston,\n one of the survey authors. Each new wave of youths "must be given\n the knowledge, skills and motivation to resist using these drugs,"\n Johnston says.\n\n This type of resurgence "is possible," says Eileen Shiff, author of\n "Experts Advise Parents" (Delta, $14.95). But that\'s not the issue,\n she says. The prevalence of alcohol and drugs among teens today\n could result in more alcoholic adults decades from now.\n\n Aggravating the problem: baby boomer parents - who experimented with\n drugs and alcohol as teens - trying to be friends, not parents, to\n their children. "I\'ve even seen parents serving kegs of beer" to\n their underage kids and friends, Shiff says. For a recent graduation,\n Shiff and other parents organized an all-night, "lock-in" party where\n no booze or drugs were allowed. "We need to fulfill that parental\n role, otherwise the peer group takes over," she says.\n\n Officials may "talk about the war on drugs, but they really haven\'t\n done anything that I\'ve seen," says Suzanne Linkous, Scottsdale,\n Ariz., 16, a volunteer who talks with teens about drugs, dating and\n other issues on a peer counseling and suicide hot line. Linkous, a\n member of USA Today\'s Teen Panel, says "there\'s always going to be\n experimentation" with drugs.\n\n A real war on drugs could be waged "education-wise," she says. But\n "some don\'t want to give kids the facts. They think it will give\n them ideas; it\'s the same with birth control. I think you should\n give the kids the information or have it accessible" through classes,\n pamphlets and speakers, she says.\n\n Education efforts need to start as soon as kids get in school - in\n kindergarten, says Dallas Owens, 17, teen panelist from Miami Shores,\n Fla. "I remember in kindergarten, I used to see (drugs). I think\n kids in the 10th and 12th grades have already made up their minds\n (about using drugs)," he says.\n\n Scare tactics in public service announcements aren\'t working; only\n one commercial has gotten it right, he says. The commercial opens\n with two "good-looking girls" in the restroom talking about having\n no prom date. Then they take a hit off a joint. "That hits home\n because it\'s not attractive," he says. "You can\'t be doing drugs if\n you want somebody to like you."\n\n\n Adolescents\' choices\n\n Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month:\n Estimated, per 100 students\n 1991 1992 Pct. chg.\n Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4%\n Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8%\n Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% \n Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27%\n LSD 0.6 0.9 +50%\n Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40%\n Crack 0.3 0.5 +67%\n\n Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research,\n 1993 report\n\n\nScott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot\n\nBefore: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets\n the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman\nAfter: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets\n [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me\n\n\n',
'From: cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd)\nSubject: "SIMM Re-use" NuBus board... Anyone seen one?\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\nSummary: does anyone make this? does anyone know what I\'m talking about?\nKeywords: SIMM NuBus board RAMDisk\n\n\n\n\tHello,\n\n\tI remember running across an ad in the back of Mac[User|World]\na few years ago, for a Nubus board that had umpteen SIMM slots, to be\nused to "recycle your old SIMMs," when you upgraded memory. I don\'t\nremember who made this board, and I haven\'t seen it advertised in\nany of the latest Mac magazines. It mentioned that it included software\nto make the SIMMs on the board act like a RAM disk. As someone who has SIMMS \nhe can\'t get rid of/use, but hates the waste, this sounds to me like a majorly\ngood idea. Does anyone out there know what board/company I\'m talking about? \nAre they still in business, or does anyone know where I can get a used one\nif they are no longer made? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please\ne-mail me, to save net.bandwidth.\n\n\n\tThanks,\n\n\tCap.\n\n\n\n\n-- \n | Internet: cptnerd@digex.com | AOL: CptNerd | Compuserve: 70714,105 |\n CONSILIO MANUQUE \n OTIUM CUM DIGNITATE \n CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM EST PARTURIENT MONTES NASCETUR RIDICULUS MUS\n',
"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)\nSubject: Re: Can't Breathe\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 15\n\n[reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)]\n \n>While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other,\n>the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or\n>by applying pressure on the pubic bone...\n \nRon, you're an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral\nvertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine.\nIt is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a\nlumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone,\nbreak it? No, don't tell me, I don't want to know.\n \nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI\nThis is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher\nmust learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell\n",
'From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?)\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 5\n\nIt was my impression watching the Mets & Rockies that umpires were\ncalling strikes above the belt, too, but not as far up as the letters.\nIt would be nice if this were the case.\n\nJay\n',
'From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)\nSubject: HELPHLPHELPHELP\nReply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 149\n\n*******\n******* This is somewhat long, but pleas read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n*******\n\n\n\nBoy am i glad you decided to read this. I\'ve got a problem that \nI need as many people\'s help from as possible.\n\nBefore I go in to the details of this, let me go ahead and tell\nyou that (though it may sound it) this is not one of those boy\nmeets girl problem...at least not totally like that to me....Anyway...\n\nOK, I am a 19 year old Sophmore at NCSU. About 10 years ago, my family\nand I were vacationing at the coast in a cottage we rented. Across the\nstreet, was ths girl who would whistle at me whenever she saw me...\nher name in Erin. Well, we became friends that week at the beach and have\nbeen writing each other for about 10 years....there was a period of about\n2 years we lost contact..but that was a while ago. \n\nBy the way...Erin lives in Kansas and me in NC.\n\nOK, last year in one of her letters, she says that she is coming\nback to NC to see some of her family who are gonna be there. So I\ndrove about 4 hours to see her. This is where it begins....I spent\nthe whole day with Erin....one of the best days of my life. Even though\nwe had been writing each other, we still had to get used to being\nin person....she has got to be the most incredible woman I ever met.\n(She\'s one year older than me BTW). I mean, no person in the world could\nask for a better person. Not only was she incredibly beautiful (not to \nmention WAY out of my league...although I\'m not unattractive mind you), but\nshe had a great personality and a great sence of humor. Her family\nis one of those families who goes to church but that is about the\nextent of their Christianity...you know the kind of people. But she\nknows I am a Christian. \n\nWell, you get the idea of what I think of her. If there is ever such\na thing as love at first sight....I found it. That was last year...I kid\nyou not when I say that I have thought about her EVERY day since then.\n\nIn out letters, Erin and I always kid each other about not finding\ndates..(which is true for me, but I know it can\'t be for her).\nShe has had some problems at home, her folks split up and she ended\nup leaving school....Now we are at the present...\n\nLet me give you part of the letter I got from her last week....\n\n\n"Okay, now I\'m going to try to explain my life to you. I\'m not\ngoing to KU anymore because something just isn\'t right. College\njust wasn\'t clicking with me here. Greek life is really big here and\nthat just isn\'t my way. I wasn\'t taking any classes that truly interested\nme & i really have no idea of what i want to do with my life. I was\ninterested in something medical (Physical Therpy) & I love working with \nkids, but \'it\' just didn\'t work for me at this university. And my parents\ncould tell.\n\n"So I\'m working full time at the Bass Store [Bass shoes that is] and now\nI have a part-time job at a local daycare. I work in the infant room\nM-W-F. I\'ve really enjoyed it so far. It spices up my week a little bit and \nit\'s great experience.\n\n"As of now, I\'m not planning on going back to school in the very\nnear future. The main reason being my indecision on what I want to\nstudy. But I definatley plan on going back within the next couple of\nyears. Where? I have no idea--except for one thing, it won\'t be\nto Kansas.\n\n"Right noew I\'m discussing a promotion with my boss and district \nmanager. It looks like I\'ll train at the store I work at now for\nabout 4-6 months as Assistant Manager and when that\'s done, I\'ll \nbasically be given a list of stores (newly or soon to be built) to \nchose where i would like to manage. I\'ve pretty much decided on either\none of the Carolinas (hopeully close to the beach) Wouldn\'t it\nbe fun to actually see each other more than once every few years??\nWhat do you think abou that? I would like to know your opinion.\n\n"This job would pretty much be temporary. But it is VERY GOOD pay\nand any thye of management experience would look good on an application\nor resume. The company is solid and treats it employees very well. Good\nbenefits, bonuses & medical plans. Plus- after 1 year of full-time\nservice, they will reimburse tuition. I do have school money waitng\nfor me, but this will help, especially since I will probably end up \npaying out of state tuition wherever I go.\n\n"Chris, i really would like to know what you think of my decision. I \nrespect your opinion. I\'ve been completely lost for what to do for \nsoooo long that when the opportunity came along it sounded really \ngood. I do like my job although I\'m about 99.9% sure that i want\nto do more with my life than reatil management..but it IS something.\nI don\'t think earning about $20,000 a year for a 20 year old female\nis too bad. \n\n"Anyway, onto your career decisions. I\'ll solve your problem right now,\nMARRY ME...\n\n"You can do your pilot thing-- I like to be by myself sometimes! Seriously\n(or not as seriously)- do what will make you the happiest, worry about the\nhome life later."\n\n***********\n\nOK, well I\'m sure you see what has got me so uptight. What do you\nthink she meant about the marraige thing?? \n\nI dream at night about marrying her, and then she mentions it in her\nletter!!! I don\'t know what to think??\n\nSince she wants to move to the Carolina\'s should i search out a \nBass store near here and aske her to come to Carolina???\n\nI always pick on those people who graduate from high school and\nget married....but what does she mean??? \n\nI\'ve had a lot of stress lately with exams and also the fact that \nI don\'t date beacause 1) No time 2) Not that much $$ 3) that\nmost college women are wrapped up in the social scene with the\nGreeks whic as a Christian I can\'t support-----and here\nshe says she doesn\'t like the Greek thing either!!\n\nMaybe I\'m so stunned because there is actually a girl that I am\nso attracted to paying some real attention to me.\n\nI mean, what if she did move to NC...what would I do??? I\'m\nonly 19 and she 20....I\'m only a Sophmore struggling through\nclasses..\n\nI have prayed about this over the past year from time to time..\nsaying, "God if she is the right one, let the situation open up.."\n\nCould this be my sign???\n\nI would do ANYTHING to get her to NC...here is some moree that makes \nit worse..\n\nShould I call her?? I\'m terrible over the phone. I don\'t even like\nto talk to my friends here for longer than 3 minutes.\n\nI mean, what would a girl as perfect as her want with a very\naverage guy like me??\n\nI\'m really confused....I would really appreciate any help i can get.\n\nThanx \n\nChris\n\n[I have a feeling that it might be more appropriate to talk with\nChris directly via email. --clh]\n',
'Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support\nFrom: f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)\nDistribution: world,local\nOrganization: University of Arizona\nNntp-Posting-Host: violet\nNntp-Posting-User: f67709907\nLines: 54\n\nIn article <C4x9xA.9Ew@news.udel.edu>, philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes:\n> In article <4fjQpAu00WBLM1z50R@andrew.cmu.edu> Anuj Gupta <ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a\n>>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped\n>>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the\n>>ignoramouses, care to look at this week\'s Baseball Weekly, they will see\n>>that I\'m not the only one who considers then as division winners - the\n>>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well.\n> \n> And these guys certainly know what they\'re talking about. Every\n> bozo from Pittsburgh to Calcutta will just have to sit up and take\n> notice! This Phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going\n> to score a LOT of runs and put up a TON of hits on the scoreboard.\n> You people out there are going to be sick of seeing PHILLIES\n> scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the\n> newspaper. These guys hit .304 through Spring Training..well before\n> getting no hit yesterday. But they had a plane to catch 45 minutes\n> after the game ended, so they\'re minds weren\'t in it.\n\nUp to this point, I really thought this had been written by a \npro-SDCN, anti-mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for\nsarcasm and biting remarks. Somebody like me, for instance.\nThe lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the\noriginal poster.\n\n> Now, on top of the great offense, they have a slightly above average\n> pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise. If the\n> pitchers do their part, and Mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum,\n> look for another pennant out in left field at the Vet...\n> \n> Robert C. Hite\n> \n> P.S. Michael Jack Schmidt for COMMISSIONER\n\nBut then the scales were lifted from my eyes. Looks like Robert is\nreally being serious. Oh, well.\n\nI compare the performance of the 1992 Phillies with the 1987 edition,\nwhich had outstanding run producers at every position except SS, yet\nfinished at a frustrating sub-.500 level. The 1987 folks didn\'t \never amount to anything, and neither will the 1992 squad, IMHO.\n\nAny other parallels with previous years\' teams for this year\'s\neditions (in the style of 1993 Braves = 1971 Orioles)?\n-- \nGreg "Mockingbird" Franklin "Interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more\nf67709907@ccit.arizona.edu than mingling between G7 races." -- robohen\n\n Things One Wishes to See\n The moon, flowers, the face of a dear one.\n Well-performed No.\n The furnishings of a tea cottage.\n The real thoughts of one\'s lover--and her letter.\n All famous places.\n',
'From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians\nNntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA\nLines: 137\n\nIn article <C51qr5.Duu@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:\n>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:\n>>I suggest you\n>>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying\n>>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his\n>>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back.\n>\n>Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a\n>gun?\n\nIf we had backed him strongly early on I doubt there would be the\nproblem there is now. Many Russians became disillusioned with democracy\nand reforms when they felt, rightly IMO, that the West didn\'t care.\n\nYeltsin was virtually promised massive aid (once Bush got over his\nGorby-mania.) This probably kept him from dismantling the congress\nand calling for new elections. Well, the aid didn\'t come through\nand we didn\'t make sure it went to the proper places and now the\nanti-reformers are gaining strength where before they were in\nhiding.\n\n>\n>Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does\n>happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to\n>help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same\n>reason. If they don\'t reform, then our government will probably\n>consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help\n>them.\n\nIf they don\'t reform I don\'t believe in giving them money. However,\nI think this is too important to take a non-interventionist approach.\nThis is what really bugs me about Libertarianism -- it sounds like\n\'it\'ll all be the same in a hundred years time. no need to do\nanything.\'\n>\n>\n>>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if\n>>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we\'d feel something.\n>>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is\n>>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the\n>>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other\n>>democracies (or struggling democracies).)\n>\n>If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn\'t it\n>be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to\n>charity.\n\nDespite the wishes of Libertarians, this society is a far way, and getting\nfarther, from being Libertarian. Perhaps voluntary gifts would work if\nwe had the proper framework but we do not have it. We have to face the\nproblem *now*, not in X years when we have a Libertarian dream society.\n\nRight now there are huge stumbling blocks to trade, let alone charity.\nThere are still limitations to high-tech exports. NASA can\'t buy\nProton launch vehicles from them. Sure, the market may be able to\nhelp a great deal but it can\'t right now. There are too many obstacles.\nInstead of fighting against the aid you should be fighting to \ntear down the obstacles the market and charities have to face.\n>\n>>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.\n>>My two "causes" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.\n>>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies\n>>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a\n>>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we\n>>only have gridlock on a congressional scale.\n>\n>It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia,\n>expensive space programs, national charity that doesn\'t help the poor,\n>and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government\n>is more key than how democratic it is.\n\nWell, I think limited government is primarily democratic due\nto it being limited. But the main question is how do you transform\na state-run economy and monolithic government into something that\neven remotely looks like ours? (BTW, sometimes it seems that our government \nis trying to go the opposite direction) It is not going to be\npainless and not going to be easy. We simply cannot wait to\nhelp when they *have* the \'proper\' government. They\'ll never\nget there without the aid. It may be too late already.\n\n>\n>>BTW, who is to decide \'stupid?\' This is just like those who\n>>want to impose their \'morals\' on others -- just the sort of\n>>thing I thought Libertarians were against.\n>\n>That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech.\n\nAnd I\'m just excercising mine.\n\n>\n>>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue \n>>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems\n>>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and\n>>let it sink or swim.\n>\n>If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should\n>be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would\n>your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose\n>weren\'t using the same government machine to steal money from you\n>and your group for causes you don\'t support?\n\nAs I also said above, another problem I have is with *transformation*.\nA Libertarian society is not going to happen painlessly or overnight.\nI have seen nothing about how to take our current government and\nsociety and turn it into a minimal government and a responsible\nself-sufficient populace. \n\n>\n>>We could do that 100 years ago but not now.\n>\n>People have been saying that for hundreds of years.\n\nThey didn\'t have nuclear weapons 100 years ago. Nor instantaneous\ncommunications nor travel to virtually anyplace on the earth in\nless than a day.\n\n>\n>>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and\n>>global decision making. \n>\n>All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more\n>efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions\n>on complex issues.\n\nYes, depend on the rulers of the free market and the businesses. Rulers\ndo emerge *somewhere* and they will never represent the opinions of\nevery person on the planet. \n\nThere must be checks and balances. Checks on the government when\nit gets out of bounds and checks on industry when it gets out of\nbounds. Putting all your hopes on the benevolence of the market\nis, to me, just like putting all your hopes on the benevolence of\ngovernment. \n>\n\nJulie\nDISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else\n',
"From: PXY@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Pen-Li Yen)\nSubject: Slide projectors trade for photo equipments\nOrganization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab\nLines: 17\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eclx.psu.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\n\nThere are many people want to buy my Kodak autofocus carousel projectors\nbut I don't have lenses or remote to sell. They prefer to buy a projector\nwith all accessaries. So I have to post another news asking for lenses\nto fit those Kodak slide projectors:\n\nI am willing to give away Singer Caramate II or Singer Caramete SP (\nw/ built-in unremovable lens, built-in casette player, speaker, new 500 HR\nbulb) try to trade for Kodak projector lenses.\n\nEach projector (viewer) will equal trade for 1 or 2 Kodak projector lenses\ndepend on the focal length. I will pay for the shipping for Singer \nprojector (viewer).\n\nSince I don't need those Singer projectors, if you have some 35mm SLR system\nyou don't need, I am willing to do the trade as well.\n\nYuesea\n",
"From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nNntp-Posting-Host: s3saturn\nOrganization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <SMITH.93Apr21183049@minerva.harvard.edu> smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) writes:\n>dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes:\n>> THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE\n>>\n>> by Theodore J. O'Keefe\n>> [Holocaust revisionism]\n>> \n>> Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical\n>> Review. Educated at Harvard University . . .\n>\n>According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to\n>graduate. You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated\n>anywhere.\n>\n>Steven Smith\n\nIs any education a prerequisite for employment at IHR ?\nIs it true that IHR really stands for Institution of Hysterical Reviews?\nCurious minds would like to know...\n\nHap\n\n--\n****************************************************************************************************\n<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Omnia Extares >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\n****************************************************************************************************\n",
'From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)\nSubject: Christian\'s need for Christianity (was ...)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <Apr.16.23.17.40.1993.1861@geneva.rutgers.edu<, mussack@austin.ibm.com writes...\n<< < For example: why does the universe exist at all? \n\n<Whether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal\'s(?) wager.\n<If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely\n<wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we\n..\n<Suppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another\n<5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small\n<that it is scary. So by searching for the "why" along with my friends here\n<on earth if nothing else we aren\'t so scared.\n\n I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad.\nThe idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator\ndoes not seem like much of a basis for belief.\n\n And the logic is also appalling: "God must exist because I want Him to."\n\n I have heard this line of "reasoning" before and wonder how prevalent\nit is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is\nhopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don\'t see\nwhere this is a good reason to become religious. If you want \'meaning\'\nwhy not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you\nthe security blanket you desire.\n\nlarry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu\n',
"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nSubject: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died?\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.\n\t<1993Apr17.010734.23670@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> \n\t<sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com>\nLines: 7\n\nIn article <sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>Ignorance is not bliss!\n\nIgnorance is STRENGTH!\n\nHelp spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE!\n",
...],
['From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")\nSubject: Re: WANTED: Info on Image Databases\nOrganization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs\nLines: 14\n\nPadmini Srivathsa in Wisconsin writes:\n\n>I would like references to any introductory material on image\n>databases.\n\nI\'d be happy to US (international) Snail mail technical information on\nimaging databases to anyone who needs it, if you can provide me with your\naddress for hard copy (not Email). We\'re focusing mostly on Open PACE,\nOracle, Ingres, Adabas, Sybase, and Gupta, regarding our imaging\ndatabases installed. (We have over 1,000 installed and in production now;\nmost of the new ones going in are on Novell LANs, the RS/6000, and now HP\nUnix workstations.) We work with Visual Basic too.\n\nMichael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com\n',
"From: franks@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (Frank Siebenlist)\nSubject: Powerbook 170 freezes after 18 seconds; Help!\nNntp-Posting-Host: ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg\nOrganization: /home/franks/.organization\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 20\n\n\nA few days ago, my powerbook starts to freeze after appr. 18 seconds of inactivity.\nIt stays alive as long as a program is actively running or as long as the mouse is moved.\n\nDid anyone experience similar problems?\nAny known fixes?\n\nPlease reply by email as I can't read this newsgroup normally.\n\nRegards, Mike Fisher (efisher@ntu.ac.sg)\n--\n---------------------------------------------------\nFrank Siebenlist <franks@ntu.ac.sg>\nSenior Research Fellow\nGINTIC Institute of Manufacturing Technology (GIMT)\nNanyang Technological University (NTU)\nNanyang Avenue\nSingapore 2263\nTel: +65 799-1215 Fax: +65 791-6377\n---------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!!\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <93108.020701TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>\nAndrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n \n>>In article <93106.155002JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> <JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n>>>YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE\n>>>PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!\n>>\n>>readers of the group. How convenient that he doesn't have a real name...\n>>Let's start up the letters to the sysadmin, shall we?\n>\n>His real name is Jeremy Scott Noonan.\n>vmoper@psuvm.psu.edu should have at least some authority,\n>or at least know who to email.\n>\n \nPOSTMAST@PSUVM.BITNET respectively P_RFOWLES or P_WVERITY (the sys admins)\nat the same node are probably a better idea than the operator.\n Benedikt\n",
'From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Kramer)\nSubject: Re: Daily Verse\nOrganization: Purdue University Computing Center\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <Apr.15.00.58.36.1993.28909@athos.rutgers.edu> Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) writes:\n>How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather\n>than silver! \n>\n>Proverbs 16:16\n\nAh and how...??? Amen to that one!!!!!! Thanks Chuck for sharing...\nafter all, no one can serve two masters...God and money......\nafter all, the preciousness of God as Lord and Savior is far more valuable than\nbeing a millionaire will ever be...\n\n\nIn Him,\nScott\n',
'From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu\nSubject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Cornell University\nLines: 4\n\nIs it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n\nMike Terry\n\'82 Virago\n',
'From: "Terence M. Rokop" <tr2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner????\nOrganization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr4.165655.16932@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>\n\nktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohi writes:\n\n>Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post.\n\nMaine 5, LSSU 4.\n\n\n\n Terry\n',
"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Re: best homeruns\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 5\n\nOn two separate occasions I saw Dick Allen (back when he was Richie)\nhomer at Shea off the middle of the black centerfield hitter's\nbackground screen. I think both shots would have traveled 500 feet.\n\nJay\n",
"From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ)\nSubject: Re: How do I make GhostScript work?\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 40\n\n\nyou Need gs252ini.zip and 24*.zip, and 25*.zip font files. You can get these\nfrom wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/msdos/postscript. I also advice you to get\ngs252gui.zip from CICA. It is a nice interface for ghostscript. Ghostscript is\nvery user unfriendly. This interface makes it user friendly. For using this\ninterface you have to get vbrun100.dll (from risc.ua.edu /pub/network/misc)\ncopy this to your windows directory. Copy gui executables and other files to\nyour ghostscript directory. And anter the line below to your autoexec.bat.\n\nSET GS_LIB=C:\\<your ghostscript and gui directory>\n\nNow you are ready to use it. Enjoy it.\n\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.114432.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl238405@ulkyvx.louisvill\ne.edu (Steve W Brewer) writes:\n>What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used\n>GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is\n>gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to\n>work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run\n>GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's\n>versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and\n>where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated.\n>\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-\n> Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS\n> cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-\n>\n-- \n____________________________________________________________________________\n****************************************************************************\n\n _m_\n _ 0___\n \\ _/\\__ |/\n \\ /|\n",
'Organization: Washington University, St. Louis\nFrom: Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>\nTo: NETNEWS@WUVMD\nSubject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc\nLines: 25\n\n>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the\n>thing over the driver\'s window, "so they couldn\'t miss it." A friend\n>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by\n>the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they\n>were assuming by pulling that stunt. She claimed it was the driver who\n>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place. That would\n>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her\n>liable for $Serious.\n\nSeems to me that the driver was driving the vehicle visually impaired.\nIsn\'t that like not scraping ice and snow off your windshield and such?\n\nSay, that\'s another thing that bugs me. Why don\'t people scrape their\ndamn windows? I\'ve seen people driving cars with *barely* the driver\'s\nhalf of the windshield cleared. Nothing else cleared. This seems\npretty stupid and isn\'t there something (probably varies state to state)\nthat says a certain percentage of the glass must be clear? Oh, well.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBrad Thone\nSystems Consultant\nSystems Service Enterprises\nSt. Louis, MO\nc09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu\nc09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet\n',
'From: kriss@frec.bull.fr (Christian Mollard)\nSubject: Re: Looking For David E. Smyth\nReply-To: Christian.Mollard@ec.bull.fr\nOrganization: Bull S.A. Echirolles\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr9.144859.10535@nynexst.com>, zvi@nynexst.com (Zvi Guter) writes:\n\nThe author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found\nin the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de,\nbut the mail bounced back.\nAny help in finding him will be greatly appreciated.\n\nTry\n\tdavid@ap542.uucp\n\tdavid%ap542@ztivax.siemens.com\n\n\nXtian.\n\n\n / / Name: Christian Mollard /\n / / __/ Email: C.Mollard@frec.bull.fr /\n / __/ / __/ __/ Phone: (33) 76 39 78 92 /\n / / / __ / __ / Bull: 229 78 92 /\n__/ __/ __/ __/ _____/ _____/ Fax: (33) 76 39 76 00 /\n /\nAddress:\tBULL S.A., B.P. 208, 38432 Echirolles Cedex, France /\n____________________________________________________________________/\n',
'From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)\nSubject: The "P24T"\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 14\nReply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nHay all:\n\n Has anyone out there heard of any performance stats on the fabled p24t.\n I was wondering what it\'s performance compared to the 486/66 and/or\npentium would be. Any info would be helpful.\n\nLater\nBoB\n-- \nRobert Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nCOMPUTER ENGINEER AND C PROGRAMMER | NOW SEEKING SUMMER JOBS\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: tclark@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Terry Clark)\nSubject: Re: CACHE or Micronics EISA/VLB Motherboard?\nOrganization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA\nLines: 38\n\nFrom article <1993Apr15.205654.20845@news.cs.indiana.edu>, by "Mohammad Al-Ansari" <alansari@mango.ucs.indiana.edu>:\n> \n> (CLIP) I am in\n> the process of purchasing an EISA/VL Bus 486 DX2-66 computer \n> (CLIP)\n> The first is Ares and they use a Cache motherboard (that\'s\n> the brand of the motherboard) with OPTI chip set, the other is Micron\n> (formerly Edge Technology) and they use the Micronics EISA/VLB\n> motherboard.\n> (CLIP)\n> I would REALLY appreciate any input on this. Is the Micron machine the\n> clear choice? Does anyone know anything positive or negative about\n> either company? Has anyone ever heard of Cache motherboards? Should I\n> go with Micron just because it has the Micronics motherboard? etc.\n> \n> Thanks very much in advance for any information.\n> \n> --\n> Mohammad Al-Ansari\nGet back to your vendors, or better yet the board manufactures and get\nsome more info:\n Where made.\n Norton indexes (yeah I know BMs suck but whats a mother to do?)\n number of slots, and types, # ESIA and # 32 bit?\n Any IDE or SCSI on board?\n How easy to upgrade RAM, location and # of pins.\n OVERDRIVE?\n Oscilator kits?\n Does it have a 16550 UART?\n Who\'s BIOS?\n\nThese might make you feel better about either system, but I must \nagree that Ares with 7 days of 24 hr Tech and 2 year warranty is\nencouraging.\n________________________________________________________________\n Terry Clark tclark@umaxc.uiowa.edu \n You want an Opinion - You don\'t pay me enough for an Opinion\n\n',
'From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)\nSubject: Re: Difference between Lexus 300 series?\nArticle-I.D.: uwm.1pr5f8INN4om\nReply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFrom article <1993Apr5.200048.23421@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo):\n> \tWhat is the difference between the LS300, ES300 and GS300? Seems\n> Lexus can\'t stop popping out new models.\n\n--Let me put it like this. The only similarity between the three models\n is the "300", or 3-liter engine displacement. Actually, the SC300 (the\n coupe) and the GS300 (the funky-looking new sedan) share the same 3.0\n liter inline-six, and the ES300 (popular small sedan) uses 3.0 V6 shared\n with the Camry. The SC300 is a luxury/sports coupe, the GS300 is the new\n luxury sedan, and the ES300 is the base executive sedan. All three look\n completely different.\n\n--Aamir Qazi\n-- \n\nAamir Qazi\nqazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n--Why should I care? I\'d rather watch drying paint.\n',
"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll)\nSubject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 12\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\npyeatt@Texaco.com writes:\n\n>> There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or\n>> GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it\n>> allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink,\n>> glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages.\n\nWhere do I get hold of these widgets?\n\n \tGerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk)\n \tDu Pont Pixel Systems Ltd.\n",
'From: jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier )\nSubject: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots?\nOrganization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations\nLines: 19\n\n\nHello,\n\nI am interested in trying this "desensitization" (?) method\nagainst hay fever.\nWhat is the state of affairs about this. I went to a doctor and\npaid $85 for a 10 minute interview + 3 scratches, leading to the\ndiagnostic that I am allergic to (June and Timothy) grass.\nI believe this. From now on it looks like 2 shots per week for\n6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so. Each shot costs\n$20. Talking about soaring costs and the Health care system, I would\ncall that a racket. We are not talking about rare Amazonian grasses\nhere, but the garbage which grows behind the doctor\'s office.\nApart from this issue, I was somewhat disappointed to find out\nthat you have to keep getting the shots forever. Is that right?\nThanks for information.\nEj \n\n\n',
'From: ytkuo@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eugene Y. Kuo)\nSubject: Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver\nOrganization: dis\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu\n\nHi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200\nprinter driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with\nmy BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.\n\nThanks very much, please email.\n\n\n',
"From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata)\nSubject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 43\n\nIn <1qideqINNl79@sumax.seattleu.edu> smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:\n\n>Hey, NISSAN, why aren't you guys making any station wagons? You used\n>to make a wagon on every platform (SENTRA, STANZA, MAXIMA) and now\n>NONE AT ALL.\n\nIn fact, they make some ,but they just don't sell them here in U.S.\n\nSunny California is a 1.6l wagon based on Sentra.\nAvenil is a 2.0l 4WD/2WD wagon .(It looks like Infinity G20 \nbut actually it's independently designed to be a wagon.I mean, it's \nnot based on any sedans.) \n \nNissan had better consider to sell them here.\n\n>After buying my SE-R and really loving it, I would like to buy another\n>NISSAN product for my wife -- but prefer a wagon (I've owned minivans\n>and don't prefer them.)\n\n>How about an ALTIMA wagon? or a sentra wagon would do...\n\nSounds nice. But I doubt they have a plan. Coz Avenil was introduced \nto replace any sedan based wagon.\n\n>or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and\n>buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an\n>in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon. I'd buy the Legacy in a\n>minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they\n>seem sentimentally attached to.\n\n>With all the Camry, Accord, Taurus, Volvo and Subaru wagons out there\n>-- it's got to be a market segment that would be worthwhile!\n\n>I can wait a year or two -- but if you don't have something to compete\n>by the 1995 model I may have to go elsewhere.\n\n>Thanks.\n\n>-- \n>Steve Morris, M.A. : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu\n>Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris\n>Seattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)\n>Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________\n",
"From: xanadu@seanews.akita.com (Dan Scherer)\nSubject: PS/2 Stuff\nOrganization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail\nLines: 30\n\nMisc. P2/2 Stuff!\n\n CARDS: (Micro Channel)\n (6) Arcnet, Coax, 83X9648. Net Cards.\n (3) Serial Adapter. P/N: 90X8459\n (2) Parallel Adapters. P/N: 72X6753\n (2) CoProcessor?? P/N: 83X7488\n (2) Memory Expansion Option. P/N: 90X9507\n Expanded Memory Adapter w/2Mb. P/N: 61X6752\n Expanded memory Adapter, 0k, P/N: 90X8799\n Alloy FTC500/MCA Tape adapter.\n\n DRIVES: (Hard & Floppy)\n 30 Mb HDD, P/N: 90X9403 Model WD-336R\n 60 Mb HDD, P/N: 6128282, Model WD-387T\n 1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #A79541\n 1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #88086\n\n This is what I have aquired over the past few years in PS/2 \ncomponents...\n I have posted the part #'s, so if you have any questions as to what a\n component is, you can call IBM and find out! (I have no idea!!!)\n Make me an offer! Trades welcome!\n Dan Scherer\n (206) 453-5215 Voice\n (206) 996-8350 Pager\n\n--\n[] SEANEWS [] Seattle Public Access Usenet News + Mail [] +1 206 747 NEWS []\nxanadu@seanews.akita.com\n",
"From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)\nSubject: response\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 113\n\nFucking news reader... I don't think this got posted... If it did, ignore\nit this time.\n\n(A response to Korey)\n\n------------ begin my response -----------------\nIn article <1plorlINNslt@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse) writes:\n>lamontg@u.washington.edu writes:\n>[...]\n>>\n>>well, i just did a quick medline scan and came up with the following article\n>>by Tashkin that reviews the literature, i'd probably start here...\n>\n>> Document 13\n>>AN 90273700. 9007A.\n>>AU Tashkin-D-P.\n>>IN Department of Medicine, University of California, School of Medicine,\n>> Los Angeles 90024.\n>>TI Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse.\n>>RF REVIEW ARTICLE: 61 REFS.\n[...]\n>Why isn't this information in the FAQ on marijuana ? If we expect\n>people to think we are telling them the truth about drugs, why does\n>this group constantly refute every negative thing about almost all\n>drugs. \n\nMaybe because the claims deserve refute? The above abstract lists various\npossible links to cannabis use (unfiltered almost guaranteed) and lung\nproblems. Someone may get overly excited when they see that article, but \nwithout actually digging up the study and seeing how the studies gathered \ntheir data it really doesn't tell you shit. I'm going to track down that\nstudy hopefully tomarrow.\n\n[...]\n\n>I never claimed pot was more or less damageing than\n>cigarettes......I was just trying to keep ourselves honest. If we are\n>going to educate kids...and adults...and tell them the truth about drugs\n>don't you think a much better approach would be to list the pro's and\n>con's of each type of drug. \n\nWhat justifies _the_ truth about drugs? Research? What sort of \nresearch? Correlational data can help establish a theory, but it does not\nprove anything.\n\n>How can you expect someone to make a\n>decision when the PDFA on one hand says that all drugs are absolutely\n>BAD BAD BAD.....and this newsgroup consistently refuses to admit that\n>drugs like heroin even have negative side effects. \n\nHeroin _is_ a relatively safe drug. What makes it unsafe are IV administration\nand shit like adulterants. There are side effects, like withdrawal, but they\neffect people differently. \n\n>I've seen numerous\n>posts claiming heroin has lower addiction rates that cigarettes, which\n>might be true, but it is very deceiving, because heroin is much more\n>harmful drug to be addicted to than cigarettes. Heroin addicts are\n>far more prone to end up in the gutter and destroy their family and\n>friends than people addicted to just cigarettes. \n\nStereotypical statement. I know people who use heroin and opiates that \nfunction just fine in society. \n\n>This group does\n>provide some very good information to people, but I am worried that\n>the pro-legalization/pro-decriminalization movement is being hurt when\n>it refuses to admit that any/some drugs are VERY harmful....\n\nName some of these drugs so we can debate about them more specifically.\n\n[...]\n> I'm all for legalization of most drugs, but when someone asks me\n>about relative risks of certain drugs or possible bad side effects, I\n>would like to know them....and not be given the run-around by this\n>group....which recently tried to tell me that pot was not harmful in\n>any manner to people's lungs. \n\nNO, NO, NO. (or at least I haven't been arguing this). there is not enough\ndata to form a scientific conclusion. that _doesn't_ mean that cannabis\nis benign to users' lungs. we can form all the theories we want, but they\nare only theories. some theories are supported by more evidence than others,\nand that makes them stronger. \n\n>I think it's time y'all re-examined\n>your positions and try to understand that you cannot fight the PDFA\n>by calling them a bunch of liars....\n\nthe hell I can't! they state *UN-JUSTIFIED CONCLUSIONS* *AS FACT* as\na *POLITICAL* strategy to stop drug use.\n\n[...]\n\nIn general, I somewhat see what you're saying. And people like Jack Herer\ncontribute to this. This has been quite a big mind-fuck for me recently,\nand I've pretty came to the conclusion that you can't trust _ANYBODY_ by\nword of mouth alone -- my attitude about the general population has\ndecreased significantly. \n\ngotta run to class..\n\n-marc\nandersom@spot.colorado.edu\n\n\n> _ _ _ _ _ _ kkruse@ksuvm.bitnet\n>|/ | | |_) |_ \\ / | |/ |_) | | (_` |_ kkruse@ksuvm.ksu.edu\n>|\\ |_| | \\ |_ | (_| |\\ | \\ |_| ._) |_ kkruse@matt.ksu.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"Organization: Rohm and Haas Company\nFrom: <RBPJ4H@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>\nSubject: **WANTED: 120M Hard Drive**\nLines: 5\n\nI am in the market for a 120M hard drive! I have a IIsi with 5/80 and I am\nalmost all filled up! Is anyone selling any HD's for the Mac for cheap? Where\ncan I get one through mail order and where is the best place to buy from for\nthe best prices? Is there anyone on the net or on this newsgroup that sells\nthem for wholesale or cheaper? Any info would be appreciated! Thanks!\n",
'From: boote@eureka.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff W. Boote)\nSubject: Re: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE)\nOrganization: NCAR/UCAR\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <4378@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) writes:\n> \n> Environment:\n> mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX)\n> OS\t: SunOS 4.1.3\n> X11\t: X11R5 (patchlevel 22)\n> Motif\t: 1.2.2\n> \n> I bring up X server using \'startx\' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence\n> of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, \'xinit\' reports that connexion \n> to X server lost):\n\nI had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that\ncomes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the "sunGX.uu"\nthat was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you\ndidn\'t apply the one that came with Patch #7.\n\njeff\n-\nJeff W. Boote <boote@ncar.ucar.edu> *********************************\nScientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad *\nNational Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. *\nBoulder * Hamlet *\n *********************************\n',
"From: choe@dirac.phys.washington.edu\nSubject: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem)\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dirac.phys.washington.edu\nKeywords: Western Digital, ESDI\n\nI have WD1007-WA2 ESDI controller with ROM BIOS v.1.1.\nIt has been working fine until I recently upgraded motherboard to 386-40MHz.\nNow, my Maxter drive goes crazy making lots of seeking sound even when the\ndrive is not accessed. Of course, with numourous hard disk controller errors.\nThese symptoms disappear when I switch to non-turbo mode (8 MHz).\nI suspect some timing dependent Rom Bios routines. (There's a newer version\n2.x) Could anybody help me on this?\nBy the way, my new mother board has AMI Bios, 128k Cache, 8 MHz bus, and\nworks fine with my old MFM drives (I had to dig them up). :-(\nAlso, I will appreciate it very much if somebody send me the phone numbers\n(tech support/BBS) for Western Digital.\nMany thanks in advance.\n\nJay\n--\nPhysics, UW, Seattle, WA 98195 (206)543-7543 choe@phys.washington.edu\n",
"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\nSubject: sound recording on mac portable answer (or lead)\nOrganization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures\nLines: 7\n\nWhatever equipment will work on a mac plus or a mac se will work fine on \na mac portable. It doesn't have a sound input, but there is equipment \nthat works fine with those models mentioned in macuser/macworld.\n\n--\n gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\n------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------\n",
'From: mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu (Bret Mogilefsky)\nSubject: Re: Any good sound formats conversion program out there??\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 34\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <edd392h.733700028@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au> edd392h@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au (YWI. Li) writes:\n>Hi all,\n>\n>Does anyone know if there is a good sound formats conversion program out\n>\n>there??? (Like PaintshopPro for picture formats conversion)\n>\n>Please send me a copy of your reply!!!\n>\n>thanks a lot\n>\n>Bel\n>\n\nHi...\n\n\tTHe best sound conversion program I\'ve ever seen is SoundTool, which\nis shareware from Germany. I found a copy somewhere in wuarchive.wustl.edu\na long time ago, but I don\'t know offhand what directory it was under. It\'s\nGREAT at converting files of all types, including Mac, NExT, Sun, and\nvarious PC formats... It\'s also a great player and editor, with various\nspecial effects that put Windows\' Sound Recorder to shame. It requires a\ndriver for various sound cards... The only builtin one is for the pc speaker\n(and even that sounds pretty good), but if you\'re just using it to convert\nthings, you can convert them in SoundTool and then play them in Sound\nRecorder.\n\nGive it a try!\n\nBret\n-- \n* "Why, that\'s the second | mogul@soda.berkeley.edu\t\t*\n* biggest monkey head I\'ve | mogul@ocf.berkeley.edu\t\t*\n* ever seen!" -Guybrush | mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu\t*\n',
'From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Moonbase race\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 26\n\nFrom: Gene Wright <gene@theporch.raider.net>\n\n>With the continuin talk about the "End of the Space Age" and complaints\n>by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about\n>that might just work.\n\n>Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation\n>who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.\n>Then you\'d see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin\n>to be developed. THere\'d be a different kind of space race then!\n\nI\'ll say! Imagine that there were a couple groups up there, maybe landing\na few weeks apart. The year-mark starts coming on for the first group.\nIsn\'t a billion pretty good incentive to take a shot at a potential\nwinner? "Yeah, that\'s a shame that Team A\'s life support gave out\nso close to the deadline. Thanks for the billion."\n\nOn the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks\nin space, in 1970 dollars, then won\'t the reward have to be a lot more\nthan only 1 billion to get any takers?\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals)\nSubject: Looking for a little research help\nOrganization: Dynamic Graphics Inc.\nLines: 19\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com\n\n\nHi,\n \n I\'m writing a science fiction script and I\'m looking for some\nanswers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point\nis an impossible situation. [I checked with a professor at berkeley\nand his response was a VERY helpful "can\'t happen".] If you enjoy\nplaying with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions\nplease contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com).\n\n I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic\nfacts about computers that I\'m determined to be as scientifically\naccurate as I can.\n\n\n Sorry for being vague, but I\'d like to protect my idea as much as I\ncan until I\'m ready to sell it (hopefully).\n\nJennise\n',
"From: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham)\nSubject: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 38\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nI am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window\nof some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application\ncould be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an \nXmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of\nthe Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).\n\nIs it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?\nCan I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me\nwith XOpenWindow?\n\nI have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first\ntime winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of\nthe GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this\ninitial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this\ntrue?\n\nDoes PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?\n\n\nEnvironment:\n AIXwindows X11R4\n Motif 1.1\n GL is available\n AIX Sys V 3.2\n IBM RS/6000 360\n\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nJay Graham\nJade Simulations International Corp.\n14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150\nNepean, Ontario, Canada\n613-225-5900 x226\n\ngraham@ottawa.jade.com\n\n",
'From: twa2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Todd W Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 9\n\n\n On my 486DX33 with the Stealth 24 VLB I get 11.4 WinMarks with ver. 3.11\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \n',
'From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi)\nSubject: Re: Educational Pricing/gray market\nOrganization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI\nLines: 17\n\n \n eu> Apple does not authorise sales through Mail Order. As a result mail\n eu> order companies have to obtain their machines by the grey market.\n eu> \n eu> This market is supplied with machines from authorised resellers who\n eu> have more machines than they can sell. They come into this state of\n eu> affairs by overordering either accidentally or deliberatly to get a\n eu> better wholsale price from Apple. In either case they often obscure\n eu> the serial nunber to protect their identity. As a result the warranty\n eu> is void.\n \nI have ordered several Macs from different mail order companies with absolutely zero problem. You have to dig around to find the true gray market dealers that sell Macs with authentic serial numbers untouched. There are value-added dealers (nothing to do with VAT, no flame please) that are very legitimate.\n\nCDA unfortunately is one of those that replace the serial number with their own to prevent Apple from tracing which authorized dealer sold that machine to CDA.\n-- \n=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=\n Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org\n',
'From: danj@iat.holonet.net (dana james)\nSubject: Re: trade my 14.4k modem for your PC/XT\nOrganization: HoloNet National Internet Access System\nLines: 5\n\n\n\nemail your replies to:\n\ndanj@holonet.net\n',
'From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley)\nSubject: A1000 Memory Needed!!!\nOrganization: camaro\nLines: 27\n\n\n \n Wanted: Amiga 1000 Memory Expander\n \t Any Size (at least 1 meg), populated or not\n \n\t eg. AX2000, Insider, etc.\n\nNeeded Desperately!\n \nCash deal or trade for:\n \n2400 mnp4 Everex Evercom 24e External Modem\n2400 pc internal modem\nPP 2400SA V42.bis external modem\nApple II+ parts\nLots of PC cards\nPanasonic Video CCD Video Camera (BL204) w/ lenses\n(Great for Digi-View etc...CCD...no lens...no burn-in!)\n \nSend Email ASAP! \n-- \n --------------------------------------------------------------------------\n The HeartBeat of America...Yesterdays Camaro Z28 \n tfoley@camaro.uucp \n Call the Camaro Linux Pub-access site: 1-416-238-6550 USRobotics HST\n Note: Please, no ftpmail or mailing lists or the host gets annoyed :)\n --------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu\nOrganization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:\n> Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.\n> \n> For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game,\n> \n> With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed\n> hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.\n> \n> Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts\n> lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis\n> Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell\n> is he thinking.\n\nEducate yourself before you rip on this years manager of the year.\nLankford injured himself in a previous game and Torre was resting\nhim.\n\nAs far as the Whitten/Gilkey controversy. Whitten adds some more\nneeded power, and if Jordan continues to hit the way he has been,\nGilkey will find himself in the starting lineup soon enough.\n\nSam\n \n> Brian Landmann \n> Georgia Institute of Technology \n> Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu \n",
'From: sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: University of Tromsoe, Norway\nLines: 11\n\nSorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need.\n\nI need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. \nThe program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows.\n\nI will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. \n\nDo I find it on any FTP host?\n\n Svein\n\n',
"From: clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller)\nSubject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth...\nLines: 21\n\n# So the Blue PRess suggests that we bankrupt HCI by requesting information\n# and the concern by list members is that HCI will claim everyone that calls\n# as a new member. I think they will. I also think they will claim a new\n# MANDATE to ban all firearms from the solar system wheter we call and ask for\n# information or not!\n# \n# On the other hand, with due respect to the Editor of the Blue PRess, just\n# becaue Mike makes damned good presses, dies, powder scales, and got tired of\n# Lee's atacks DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY DILLON FAN FOLLOWS WHAT MIKE CALLS FOR\n# LIKE HE WAS KARESH AND WE WERE TRANSDILLIDIANS! \n# \n# Our local State Assemblyman has called for a complete ban on all non-bolt\n# action military rifles and all assault weapons, a 7 day wait for purchase\n# permits { it currently takes 10 to 14 working days here in NC } and one\n# permit/year. The flood of calls he got was 7 for and 3 against. Guess who\n# called supporting his move? Guess what ILA is doing? Right?\n# \n# CHL\n# \n\n\n",
'From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)\nSubject: Re: Title for XTerm\nIn-Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com\'s message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:35:46 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: grymoire.crd.ge.com\nReply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com\nOrganization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY\n\t<C5oL74.3B1@aeon.in-berlin.de> <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp>\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes:\n\n [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of\n /bin/echo or Csh\'s built-in echo. Otherwise you\'ll have\n to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string\n instead of using convenient octal sequences.]\n\nBad idea. using /usr/5bin/echo is slower than the built-in echo.\nThis is what I do. It does execute `hostname` once per shell window,\nand does read in one extra file. But manipluating the titles does not\nrequire executing extra programs.\n\nOh yes, it does execute some programs once per each system. \nBut it stores them in a file for the next time...\n\n\nif ( ! $?HOSTNAME ) then\n\tsetenv HOSTNAME `hostname`\nendif\n\n# figure how how to generate escape, bell, \n# and echo commands without a a line terminator\n# I may have done this before. If so, the variable E is set\n\n# have I executed this script before on this system?\nif ( $?E ) then\n#\techo "already set the echo variables">/dev/tty\nelse if ( -f ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} ) then\n\tsource ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\nelse if ( `echo -n |wc -l` == 0 ) then\n#\techo "built in echo is bsd" >/dev/tty\n\t# then berkeley style echo\n\techo \'set ech = "echo -n"\' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\techo "set E = `echo a | tr a \'\\033\'`" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\techo "set B = `echo a | tr a \'\\007\'`" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\techo \'set N = ""\' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\tsource ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\nelse \n#\techo "built in echo is sysV" >/dev/tty\n\techo \'set ech = "echo"\' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\techo \'set E = "\\033"\' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\techo \'set B = "\\007"\' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\techo \'set N = "\\c"\' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\n\tsource ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME}\nendif\t\n\n\n# Are we using shelltool, cmdtool or xterm?\n# duplicate these aliases here to avoid problems\nif ( $term =~ sun* ) then\n\t# Sun Aliases\n\talias Header \'${ech} "${E}]l\\!:1${E}\\${N}"\'\n\talias IHeader \'${ech} "${E}]L\\!:1${E}\\${N}"\'\nelse if ( $term =~ xterm ) then\n\talias Header \'${ech} "${E}]2;\\!:1${B}${N}"\'\n\talias IHeader \'${ech} "${E}]1;\\!:1${B}${N}"\'\nendif\n\n\n\n--\nBruce Barnett <barnett@crd.ge.com> uunet!crdgw1!barnett\n',
'From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality\nOrganization: Microsoft Corp.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 123\n\n\n/(hudson)\n/Yes you do. Who is to say that it is immoral for onesself to experience\n/pain or to be hurt in some other way. Maybe unpleasant, but that doesn\'t\n/say anything about morality.\n\nIt violates free will, Hudson.\n\n\n\n(me)\n>You can derive the immorality of hurting someone else entirely from selfish\n>motives. I can say, for example, that it is wrong to hurt other people\n>because that makes them less productive members of society.\n\n/(hudson)\n/Why is making someone a less productive member of society immoral?\n\nHudson, you are screwing up again. Morality does not (I say again, DOES\nNOT) define only "right and wrong". It also defines "acceptable social\nbehavior", without any overtones of good and evil. Picking up your trash\nis not really a right/wrong moral issue in the eternal sense of Good\nand Evil. Yet it is moral in the sense that it is acceptable social\nbehavior". \n\nYour definition of the word "morality" is what is causing you to trip over \nyourself here.\n\n\n\n\n/(me)\n/And since\n/>I, selfish being that I am, want to maximize my gains from society, I will\n/>not do anything to another member of society if that action might cut down\n/>on how much benefit I can derive from society.\n\n/(hudson)\n/Why is your benefit somehow related to morality.\n\nAgain, your definition is causing you to shoot yourself in the foot.\n\n\n\n\n\n/(hudson)\n/What about if someone feels that their own personal benefit is enhanced\n/more than it would be damaged by depleting the overall resources of society?\n/Maybe something might hurt society, but it would help him immensly?\n\nThat is irrational thinking. \n\nThere may also be people out there who think that death by atomic \ndestruction is a sublime and wonderful thing. I am not going to let them\nexecute that idea just because they want to do it. \n\nSimply because I let people make up their minds about what morals they\nhave doesn\'t prevent me from spotting and stopping a madman when I see\none, Hudson. And even then, I will only stop him when he interferes \nwith me and my life. That is the difference between me and you: you\nwant to interfere in people\'s lives even when they aren\'t affecting\nyou. \n\n\n\n\n\n/(hudson)\n/The central character in Dostoevsky\'s novel, Crime and Punishment, \n/(R something or other) reasoned that if killed this old Jewish woman and\n/stole her money to educate and establish himself financially, he could\n/make a great contribution to society. He reasoned that she was not of \n/much profit to society. She just collected rents, and hoarded money.\n\n\nOne of the central points of any (that\'s ANY) moral system is that is\nhas to be internally consistent. \n\nBy killing her, the character had to accept the premise that the ends\njustify the means. If he accepted that premise, then (in order to be\nconsistent), he must accept the idea that some day another person may\napply the same standard to HIS life. Now, if he is unwilling to accept\nthis premise (which he will not be willing to accept), then he has\nbehaved inconsistently with his own moral standard.\n\n\n\n\n\n/(me)\n/[football example deleted]\n\n/(hudson)\n/Now suppose a freshman on the bench will only get to play if one of the\n/players in the field/on the court is injured (or killed.) This freshman\n/wants to play in the big game so a talent scout can see him. If he hurts\n/a player on the team, it might slightly lessen the chances of the team to\n/win, but he might gain great personal benefit. So, operating on purely\n/selfish (immorally selfish) motives, he arranges for a sniper to shoot a\n/team player in the leg. He gets to play in front of the talent scout.\n\n/Did that freshman behave morally?\n\n/Selfish intentions may sometimes generate (apparently) moral actions, but\n/not always.\n\n\n\nTwo problems right off the bat:\n\n1. The problem with your analogy is that it doesn\'t address the goal\nthat I started with: winning the game. Playing in front of the talent\nscout != winning the game. Try creating the same analogy and keep the\nultimate goal the same, will you?\n\n2. The internal consistency question is also not addressed: if the freshman\nwants to do this to other people, then he has to accept the fact that\nit may happen to him one day. If he is unwilling, then he has violated\nhis own moral standard.\n\n\n\n',
"From: em@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Electronic Maintenance)\nSubject: INCREDIBLE NEW B.B.S.\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hprpcd.rose.hp.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]\n\n\nWOW !!!!\nDid I discover a great BBS !!\nIt's called Sovereignty Lies In The People\nBBS: 916-589-4620 14.4 k baud. FREE and Confidential\n! Fictitious names OK ! Subjects and files contained on the BBS:\n\n* FIND OUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SCAMMING US !!!!\n* State Citizenship documents and issues.\n ARE YOU A CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC CITIZEN OR A U.S. FEDERAL CITIZEN ?\n Remember there were only State Citizens before the 14th amendment!!\n One is subject to federal income tax, one isn't.\n Did you volunteer to surrender your State Citizenship when you got\n your Social Security number? Which one are you?\n* Tax laws and issues. BEAT THE IRS\n* Traffic laws and issues. BEAT TRAFFIC TICKETS. Can you answer this one:\n What law allows a police officer to arrest you without a warrant when\n he issues you a ticket?\n* Religious truth issues. ARE ALL RELIGIONS SCAMS ????\n ARE ALL CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS OF THE GREAT CREATOR GOD ????\n* Trust documents and issues.\n\nThe SYSOP told me that instructions to beat traffic\ntickets will be on the BBS shortly. Beat traffic\ntickets without going to court!!! The BBS is GREAT, spread the word !!!!\nAlso: How come I don't hear more people talking about the\nFederal Reserve Bank? Just ask yourself these questions:\n\n1) Why would anyone borrow money from themselves at interest?\nThe Federal government does * NOT * * NOT *\nThe Federal reserve Bank is private. The American people are\nbeing ripped off royally. 100% of the income tax goes to pay\non the Federal debt to the Federal Reserve Bankers. Not one\ndime goes for services. Services like the military and\nwelfare come from excise taxes and the like.\n\n2) Why do we the American people stand for this?????\n\n** Check Out The New BBS **\n",
'From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)\nSubject: Re: iterations of the bible\nReply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 24\n\nOFM replies to a question on the multiplicity of translations of the bible,\n\n>As far as I know, no Christians\n>believe that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of\n>translating is free of error. \n\nUnfortunately, this isn\'t true. On another news group earlier this year,\nsomeone posted that the King James Bible was the divinely inspired version\nof the Bible in English and was, therefore, inerrant; all other English\ntranslations were from Satan, trying to deceive the body of Christ. A\nfew years ago, the pastor of a church I was attending showed me a poster\nadvertising the availability of a certain man to address congregations.\nVery prominantly on the poster was the fact that the man used only the KJV.\nThe idea that the KJV is THE English Bible is more prevalent than many\nmight think.\n\n -- Scott at Brandeis\n\n\t"But God demonstrates His "The Lord bless you, and keep you;\n\t own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you,\n\t while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you;\n\t Christ died for us."\t the Lord lift up His countenance on you,\n\t\t\t\t and give you peace."\n\t\t-- Romans 5:8 [NASB]\t\t-- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB]\n',
'From: dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Doug S. Caprette)\nSubject: CS chemical agent\nOrganization: CDP VLBI\nLines: 10\n\n\n\nCan anyone provide information on CS chemical agent--the tear gas used recently\nin WACO. Just what is it chemically, and what are its effects on the body?\n\ndsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov \n | Regards, | Hughes STX | Code 926.9 GSFC |\n | Doug Caprette | Lanham, Maryland | Greenbelt, MD 20771 |\n -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"A path is laid one stone at a time" -- The Giant\n',
'From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)\nSubject: Re: Some more about gun control...\nOrganization: Totally Unorganized\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:\n<In article <C5Bu9M.2K7@ulowell.ulowell.edu>\n<jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote:\n<\n<> [ ... excellent exchange deleted ... ]\n<> It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give\n<> the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the\n<> people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit\n<> of an anachronism is this day and age. Maybe its time to re-think\n<> how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately.\n<\n< Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: "This\n< country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit\n< it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government,\n< they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or\n< their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."\n<\n< Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate\n< over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August\n< 1789: "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the\n< establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...\n< Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of\n< the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order\n< to raise an army upon their ruins."\n<\n<So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy\n<our Liberties and Rights.\n\nWhat I find so hard to understand is how come some people, apparantly\nNOT connected with government or otherwise privileged, will\ngo to great lengths, redefinitions, re-interpretations, in a full-bore\nattempt to THROW AWAY THE PROTECTION OF THEIR OWN RIGHTS under the\nConstitution!!!\n\nAlmost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming\nyear...\n\nI really wonder that Jefferson and Madison would say to these folks?\n\n<-------------------------------------------------------------\n<"...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be\n<drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render\n<powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will\n<become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we\n<separated." Thomas Jefferson, 1821\n\nExcellent quote.\n\n-- \npat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\nWISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien\n',
"From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)\nSubject: Re: PENTIUM!\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 18\nReply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) says:\n\n>\n>Just a qestion for all you pc-er's out there. Will the upcoming pentium\n>systems be compatible with current simms and vlb cards? Any info would be\n>helpful. I would just like to know before I plunk my $ on new hardware.\n>\n>Thanks\n>BoB\n>\n\nWell, it all depends on the motherboard implimentation.\n\nI'm sure someone will make a vlb motherboard that takes 1x9\nsimms and uses a pentium processor. I'm also sure that there \nwill be some motherboards that won't.\n-- \n",
'Subject: Re: BMW Nostalgia Question from a Neophyte\nFrom: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nLines: 17\n\nTo go one step further, you could write Roland Slabon, Pres. of the\nVintage BMW Motorcycle Owners Ltd at P.O. box 67, Exeter, New Hampshire \n03833 and he\'ll send you copy of the bimonthly rag with info as to where\nto send your $12 bucks if ya want to join. As far as the price of \'60\'s\nBeemers, it varies wildly, from a low of around $1000 for an unrestored\nbike that still runs (like an R50 or R60) to $4500 or so for a restored\nR69S. Don\'t listen to that bull about the old bmw\'s not being "good \nenough" to ride in todays world.. Hell, I\'m riding my 1956 R26 Single\nfrom Mississippi to the BMW MOA national rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin\non the 22nd of July this year.\nSincerely,\nCraig Vechorik\nBMW MOA Ambassador #9462\nBMW Vintage \nBulletin tech editor #1373\nDOD #843\n"REAL BMW\'s have ROUND tail lights and ROLLER cranks"\n',
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: HLV for Fred (was Re: Prefab Space Station?)\nArticle-I.D.: zoo.C51875.67p\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C5133A.Gzx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes:\n>>>Titan IV launches ain't cheap \n>>Granted. But that's because titan IV's are bought by the governemnt. Titan\n>>III is actually the cheapest way to put a pound in space of all US expendable\n>>launchers.\n>\n>In that case it's rather ironic that they are doing so poorly on the commercial\n>market. Is there a single Titan III on order?\n\nThe problem with Commercial Titan is that MM has made little or no attempt\nto market it. They're basically happy with their government business and\ndon't want to have to learn how to sell commercially.\n\nA secondary problem is that it is a bit big. They'd need to go after\nmulti-satellite launches, a la Ariane, and that complicates the marketing\ntask quite significantly.\n\nThey also had some problems with launch facilities at just the wrong time\nto get them started properly. If memory serves, the pad used for the Mars\nObserver launch had just come out of heavy refurbishment work that had\nprevented launches from it for a year or so.\n\nThere have been a few CT launches. Mars Observer was one of them. So\nwas that stranded Intelsat, and at least one of its brothers that reached\norbit properly.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
'From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook)\nSubject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP!\nOrganization: Michigan State University\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu\n\nFrom article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu:\n> Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP!\n\nTry using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . \nlook in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence\nfor the font you want!\n\n\n Gregory R. Cook | INTERNET: gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu\n Department of Chemistry | cookgreg@student.msu.edu\nMichigan State University | cook@cemvax.cem.msu.edu \n East Lansing, MI 48824 | BITNET: cook@msucem.BITNET \n',
"From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson)\nSubject: Islam vs the Jehovah's Witnesses\nOrganization: Society for Trying Really Hard\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.223248.19014@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@princeton.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n>>But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with\n>>the other angels free moral will.\n>\n>>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability\n>>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself),\n>\n>So Lucifer's moral choices are determined by his will.\n>What determines what his will is?\n>-- \n>qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated.\n\nBobby-\n\nA few posts ago you said that Lucifer had no free will. From the above\nit seems the JW believes the contrary.\n\nAre you talking about the same Lucifer?\n\nIf so, can you suggest an experiment to determine which of you is wrong?\n\nOr do you claim that you are both right?\n\n-Norman\n",
'From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,)\nSubject: Re: Space Debris\nReply-To: landis@stsci.edu\nOrganization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD\nLines: 14\n\nAnother fish to check out is Richard Rast -- he works\nfor Lockheed Missiles, but is on-site at NASA Johnson.\n\nNick Johnson at Kaman Sciences in Colo. Spgs and his\nfriend, Darren McKnight at Kaman in Alexandria, VA.\n\nGood luck.\n\nR. Landis\n\n"Behind every general is his wife.... and...\n behind every Hillary is a Bill . ."\n\n\n',
'From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Sin\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Apr.8.00.59.20.1993.28493@athos.rutgers.edu>, jadaley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jill Anne Daley) writes:\n> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does a\n> person know when they are committing sin?\n> \n\nAnything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin. \n(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)\n\nThis implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should\nnever be satisfied. It does not imply that\nhaving fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.\nIt does imply that I sin every day.\n\nA perhaps simpler definition:\nAnything that is counter to the two Great Commandments: \nlove God, love your neighbor, is a sin.\nAnything I do that is not from love is a sin.\n\nThe same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes.\n\nI could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them,\nconsidering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my\nkids out of anger or selfishness.\n\nI could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing\nmy opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an\narticle because I want everyone to realize how wise I am.\n\nChris Mussack\n',
'From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)\nSubject: Re: Standard Colormaps\nNntp-Posting-Host: bambam\nReply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <1rjdk8INNcnh@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, jgealow@mtl.mit.edu (Jeffrey C. Gealow) writes:\n> I\'m working on an X11R5 application and have concerns regarding \n> standard colormaps.\n> \n> The X11R5 documentation says: "Usually, a window manager creates \n> these colormaps." I wonder what window manager the writer had \n> in mind. Neither twm or mwm seem to create standard colormaps.\n\nStandard colormaps were spec\'d with the intention that window managers\nwould make them available. This doesn\'t mean that every window manager\nauthor in the world immediately dropped everything they were doing and\nimplemented this at top priority.\n\nThe ESGE server we ship makes the XA_RGB_BEST_MAP available at\nstartup. It doesn\'t wait for window managers to do it.\n\n> Of course, one can use xstdcmap to create standard colormaps. \n> However, xstdcmap doesn\'t seem to try very hard to avoid \n> conflicts with the default colormap. When I use standard \n> colormaps created by xstdcmap, the rest of my display goes black. \n> So it seems as if use of standard colormaps causes the very \n> problem standard colormaps are intended to avoid. Perhaps \n> if every application used standard colormaps, things would \n> be wonderful. But not many applications seem to use \n> standard colormaps.\n\nDoes your hardware have only one CLUT? Since standard colormaps\ntypically devour all 256 entries, there is no way it can avoid\ndisplacing the entire default colormap if your hardware has only one\nCLUT.\n\nI don\'t believe standard colormaps are intended to aboid possible\ncolormap flashing between clients using the default coilormap. Rather,\ncolormap flashing will be avoided between two clients that use the\nsame standard colormap. An example would be two clients that need a\nfull color range would both use XA_RGB_BEST_MAP (or whatever it\'s\ncalled under X11R5).\n\nIf you are trying to avoid colormap flashing with the default\ncolormap, your best bet is to try to load all the colors you use into\nthat colormap. If you can\'t do that, then you\'ll get flashing on a one\nhw CLUT framebuffer.\n\nNow if your window manager used the same standard colormap as your\nclient, this flashing could also be avoided. Perhaps some window\nmanagers have command line options for selecting standard colormaps?\n-- \n\n -paul\tpmartz@dsd.es.com\n\t\tEvans & Sutherland\n',
'From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: "militia" (incredibly long)\nLines: 47\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <C5n0vy.EJ6@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n\n>In article <1qna9m$nq8@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>-> \n>-> Again, my response is, "so what?" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since\n>-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support\n>-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from \n>-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the\n>-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it.\n>\n>No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was "a little bit\n>and an anachronism." These prohibiting laws are examples why the are\n>an anachronism. After all, laws in made by representatives of the \n>people. These representatives of the people have already decided\n>that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some\n>cases. Since these representatives feel an unconditional \n>interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority\n>of the people feel the same way. If this is so, it is an example\n>of the people using their power of government. If this is not\n>how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes.\n\n I\'ll point out that the whole point of the difficult amendment\nprocess was to require a super-majority to change the Supreme Law,\nmaking it impossible for a "majority" of the people to simply change\nthe law on a whim. Simply changing the meaning based on "the\nrepresentatives" of the people effectively destroys the amendment\nprocess. The State\'s, you know, are also entitled to a say under\nthat process.\n \n>> Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the\n>-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated\n>-> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a \n>-> number of times. \n>\n>No, I simple stated that the people have a right to "join a well\n>organized militia." \n\n I\'ll note that that right could be considered protected under\nthe first amendment\'s protection of peaceful assembly. Unless\nyou would consider a militia inherently non-peaceful, then they\'ve\nstated the same thing twice.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\nlove me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n',
'From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)\nSubject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960\'s\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA\nLines: 45\nDistribution: usa\n\t<1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <philC51D4F.G2J@netcom.com>\nReply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: phil@netcom.com\'s message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:24:14 GMT\n\nIn article <philC51D4F.G2J@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:\n-> In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:\n-> >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about\n-> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their\n-> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960\'s radicals\n-> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people\'s\n-> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor\n-> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves?\n-> >\n-> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family\n-> >and support systems in general among this nation\'s poor.\n-> >Somehow I don\'t think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at\n-> >the top of any sane person\'s list.\n-> >\n-> >You want to go after my generation\'s vaunted cultural\n-> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called\n-> >"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good\n-> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real\n-> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted.\n-> \n-> The 1960\'s generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.\n-> \n-> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their\n-> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of\n-> brats.\n-> \n-> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.\n-> \n-> Apollo 11 and Woodstock.\n-> \n-> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and\n-> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).\n-> \n-> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,\n-> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....\n-> \n\n\tWasn\'t Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in\nhistory? They rejected society and went back to nature in their\nparent\'s cars.\n--\nJason C. Austin\nj.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov\n\n\n',
"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison)\nSubject: Re: Hard drive security\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com\nKeywords: cooperation\n\nIn article <m5c5fkj@rpi.edu> antonh@rpi.edu writes:\n>say, can anyone send my info on how to encrpyt a hard disk [...]\n>ps. I would also like know the consequences of those types of actions if i\n>so chose to do them in the future in this country and european countries.\n\nPeople have been encrypting notes in their notebooks for hundreds of years\n-- maybe over a thousand. It's a long tradition dating at least back to\nthe alchemists.\n\nI know of nothing bad happening to them. I would assume that nothing bad\nwould happen to you, given this long history establishing encryption as\nthe property of individuals, to do with as they please.\n\n-- \n - <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>>\n - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com\n - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783\n - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488\n",
'From: mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name)\nSubject: tuff to be a Christian?\nOrganization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences\nLines: 63\n\nbissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>\tI don\'t think most people understand what a Christian is. It \n>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it \n>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God\'s \n>sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the \n\n\tTypical statement from an irrational and brainwashed person.\nThe bible was written by some male chavnist thousands of years ago\n(as were all of the "holy" books). Follow the parts that you think are\nsuitable for modern life. Ignore the others. For heaven\'s (!) sake don\'t\ntake it literally.\n\n>same. Hey we can\'t do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives \n>over to him. That\'s tuff and most people don\'t want to do it, to be a \n\t\t\t\t^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But \n\n\tSo you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist?\nThe Buddha\'s commandments are 500 yrs older than Christ\'s and in\nmy opinion tougher to follow. Moreover the Buddha says that we are \nintrinsically good (as against Christ\'s "we are all sinners").\n Only we allow ourselves to be distracted. By meditating we can awaken \nourselves (etc etc). Also there is no concept of God in Buddhism. \n(In my opinion you can be an Atheist and a Buddhist).\nBut to "awaken" yourself is no easy task. Can you stay away from eating meat?\nCan you sit still and think of nothing (meditate) for sometime everyday?\nBuddhists do (or are supposed to). Can you pray five times a day? \nCan you fast for a month every year (Ramzan). Are you willing\nto give 1/6 th of your income as tithe? Muslims do. In fact I think \nJesus was an ordinary man (just as Buddha and Mohamed) probably with a \nphilosopy ahead of the times (where he lived). \nConsidering the fact that Christianity is a young religion\n(compared to Hindiusm, Judaism, Zorasterism, Buddihsm) it is also very\nprobable that the Bible is merely a collection of borrowed ideas.\n(There was a good deal of trade between the eastern lands and the\nmiddle east at the time of Christ).\nAnd perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out ("woman was created\nafter man, to be his helper" etc).\naras\n\n\t\n\n>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes \n>time. We don\'t rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. \n>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in \n>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this \n>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be \n\n\tWhen ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and\nother brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an\n1-800 number to turn in your pledges.\nGod it seems is alive and well inside these boxes.\n\n>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for \n>ourselves. \t \n\n\n\tParting Question:\n\t\tWould you have become a Christian if you had not\nbeen indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about\nany other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim\nyou are brain washed.\n',
'From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule)\nSubject: Re: harry and candy\nDistribution: world,local\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 19\n\n>But I like the way he butchers Andres Galarraga\'s name.\nY\'all lighten up on Harry, Skip\'ll be like that in a couple of years!!>\n>It comes out like "gahlah rrrraggggah".\n>And don\'t forget his frequent references to the great SF Giant star\n>Bobby Bonds!\n\nHarry\'s a great personality. He\'s the reason I like Cubs broadcasts.\n(It\'s certainly not the quality of the team).\n\nChop Chop\n\nMichael Mule\'\n\n\n-- \nMichael Andre Mule\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e\nInternet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)\nSubject: Re: Young Catchers\nKeywords: Solid != good\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 64\n\nIn article <1qlnknINN2sh@aludra.usc.edu> sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan) writes:\n\n\nMost of the points you made about Lopez v. Berryhill/Olson have been\nmade by others, and realizing that Lopez must be the second coming of\nFrank Thomas, I have relented and praised the unmistakeable wisdom of\nhis supporters.\n\n>\n>Nope. They\'re baseball management, possible the most short-sighted \n>collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on,\n>Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in\n>1990?\n\nSee? This is essentially what everyone was doing - comparing Lopez\nto one of the best players in the game. I\'m really looking forward\nto seeing this can\'t-miss superstar now. As for Thomas, I remember\nbeing an advocate of his being brought up in 1990 even though he was\nonly 21 or 22 (can\'t remember). But who did the Sox have at first?\nCalderon? Martinez? Kittle? The spot was there. The talent was\nthere. Sure, I say go for it.\n\nI am not convinced that Lopez is anywhere near as talented as Thomas\nwas after his AA season in 1989, and I am not convinced that Olson/\nBerryhill are nearly as bad as Kittle/Martinez were.\n\nBTW, I don\'t think Thomas was hurt by those three months.\n\n\n\n\n\n>Or Cal Eldred wasn\'t *really* better than Ricky Bones last year?\n\nWell, if we can\'t compare our guy to one of the best in the game,\nlet\'s compare our decision to one of the most "Boneshead", right?\n\nCal Eldred was 24 when he came up, with a full season at AAA and a\nlonger minor league career. Frankly, I don\'t know why he didn\'t\nmake the club in 1992. Bones is a year younger with a lousy prior\nhistory, and just watching him makes me think that I missed a \ncareer as a big-league pitcher. No one - I repeat NO ONE -\nlaughed louder than I did at the Sheffield trade. (Though I guess\nMieske has a future.)\n\n(I take it back. McIlvaine may have laughed louder.)\n\n\n>\n>You\'re mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and\n>have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b.\n>We\'ll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-)\n\n\naw, gee, shucks. thanks guy. except I missed the part where SDCN\'s\nadmit they\'re wrong.\n\n\n\n--\tThe Beastmaster\n\n-- \nMark Singer \nmss@netcom.com\n',
'From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan)\nSubject: Re: How do I find by AppContext\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, masc0442@gondor.sdsu.edu\n\n# \n# \n# Is there an Xt call to give me my application context?\n# I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut,\n# whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use\n# to give me this value?\n# \n\nUse XtDisplayToApplicationContext() to retreive the application context.\n\nPatrick L. Mahan\n\n--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------\n\nWaking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long\na capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t Lazarus Long\nPatrick L. Mahan\n\n--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------\n\nWaking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long\na capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t Lazarus Long\n',
'From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\nLines: 13\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats\n> Andtbacka) writes:\n> | "And these objective values are ... ?"\n> |Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate.\n> \n> I\'ll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable.\n\nYes, but whose freedom? The world in general doesn\'t seem to value the\nfreedom of Tibetans, for example.\n\n\nmathew\n',
'From: jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller)\nSubject: Humminbird Depth Sounder forsale\nKeywords: sale depth\nArticle-I.D.: cbnews.1993Apr6.173100.11729\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 34\n\n\nHi,\n\n\tI have a Humminbird HDR200 Depth Sounder for sale. It\nhas been used for 1 season on my sailboat. \n\t\n\tAll parts are included as well as the installation\ninstructions. It is even packed in the original box it came in. There\nis no damage to the unit or the transducer. In fact, the transducer\nwas mounted *inside* the hull in a piece of pipe glued to the hull.\nSo it led a "sheltered" life. The transducer can be mounted either inside\nthe hull as I did, or on the transom. It cannot be placed in a hole\ndrilled into your hull.\n\n\tIt is fully waterproof and fits into a 2" hole in a bulkhead\n(that\'s where I had it installed) or into a standard dashboard on a\npowerboat. It reads depth to 199\' and has a backlit LCD display. It has\nan adjustable shallow water alarm built in. \n\n\tI am changing out my instruments to another manufacturer that\noutputs the NMEA 0183 information. This little depth sounder works fine\nand is very stable.\n\n\n\tIt is usually priced as low as 130$ in some catalogs, I paid 150$.\n\n\n\tThe first 80$ takes it, or best offer. \n\n\n\n\t\t\t\tJohn R. Miller\n\n\t\t\tCatalina 22, #4909 "Tinker Toy"\n',
"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM\nSubject: Serial Line connection between Duo 210 and PC???\nReply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM\nDisclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all\nNews-Software: Usenet 3.1\nLines: 45\n\nI have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection\nbetween a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on\nthe Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on\nthe PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware\nahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing\nhas allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS.\n\nIn general, I can type back and forth with no trouble, but only if both sides\nare set to speeds OVER 9600 baud. I cannot send files from the Mac to the\nPS at all, and file transfers from the Duo to the PS are not possible.\nWhen I do a straight ascii send, I can send from the PS to the Duo flawlessly.\nI can send Binhex files this way quite fast, and I know that the\ntransmission is error free.\nBut straight ascii sent from the Mac to the PS is full of errors.\nUnless, of course, I do text pacing so slow that it is like human\ntyping. (well, like 2-3 times faster than human typing).\n\nI would like to hear from ANYONE who has been able to transfer files\nfrom a Duo 210 to a PS via modem or null modem. If you can do it, please\ntell me your EXACT combination of hardware and software. Obviously, I am\ntalking of a true serial port modem, not the express modem. Maybe some\nkind soul with access to a modem and a Duo 210 can check this out for me.\n\nRight now, I am of the opinion that it won't work at high speeds because\nof the power interrupts on the Duo, and it won't work at low speeds\nbecause of some crazy reason I don't understand.\n\nCould I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information\nout the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a\nsys-ex dump?\n\nCould anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE.\nI wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos,\nor just me.\n\nYes, I have checked the cable 1,000,000 times. And not only can I type\nback and forth, but Zterm alerts the users if s/he uses hardware handshaking\nand CTS is down. So I know that hardware handshaking is working. And also,\nAccording to Zterm port stats, the buffer never overflows.\n\nPlease help me figure out what's going on...\n\nScott Petrack\nPetrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com\n\n",
'From: ehgasm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Marshall)\nSubject: How do I compensate for photographic viewpoint and distortion?\nReply-To: S.Marshall@dcs.hull.ac.uk\nOrganization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England\nLines: 42\n\nHi to all out there. We have this problem, and I\'m not certain I\'m solving it\nin the correct way. I was wondering if anyone can shed light on this, or point\nme in the right place to look...\n\nWe have an X-ray imaging camera and a metallic tube with a cylindrical hole\npassing through it at a right angle to the tube\'s axis:\n\n |\n || [ image\n |\n X-ray source ] || | screen\n metallic || tube |\n || |\n |\n\nWe know source--screen centre distance, radius of the tube, radius of the hole.\n\nWe do some calculations based on the image of the hole on the screen. However,\nthe calculations are mathematically highly complex, and must assume that the\nobject\'s hole projects an image (resembling an ellipse if the tube is not\nparallel to the screen) in the centre of the screen. However, it is unlikely\nthat the object is placed so conveniently. \n\nFirstly, we must transform the major and minor axis of the ellipse. I cannot\nknow what the angle between the tube and screen is. Do I have to assume that\nthey are parallel to do the transformation? How do I do this transformation?\n\nSecondly, there is a distortion of the image due to the screen being planar\n(the source--screen distance increases as we move away from the centre of the\nscreen). How can I compensate the ellipse\'s axis for this image distortion?\n\nSo, please can anyone give us a few pointers here? How do we transform the\nimage so it appears as it would if it were in the centre of the screen, and how\ndo I deal with distortion due to the shape of the screen?\n\nWe\'d appreciate any help, either posted or emailed.\n\nThanks in advance, Simon.\n-- \nSimon Marshall, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Hull, Hull HU6 7RX, UK\n "Football isn\'t about life and death. It\'s more important than that." Bill\nEmail: S.Marshall@cs.hull.ac.uk Phone: +44 482 465951 Fax: 466666 Shankley\n',
'From: gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick)\nSubject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk\nDistribution: git\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 58\n\nIn comp.os.ms-windows.misc you write:\n\n>While reading through the DOS 6.0 book, it states that the Windows permanaent swap file will not work correctly when placed on a compressed drive. To make things compatable,\n>I removed my Permanent swap file before starting the upgrade. However, when all the dust settled, and I go into windows, it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was, in the Windows directory. My question is: How come the temporary swap files works OK with a compressed drive, and the permanent one doesn\'t?\n\nyou might want to look in windows FAQ for this one, but here is my best\nexplanation. But I can\'t guarantee that I\'m not way off base...\n\nThe permenant swap file is read/written to by windows by talking\ndirectly to the hard disk controller card. The controller card must\nuse the protocal set up by western digital (or something like that).\nWindows creates a file called spart.par in your windows directory that\npoints to that file. It then uses the physical information about your\ndisk to index to information in that file.\n\ncompressed disks are actually "logical" disks. These disks have different\ncharacteristics than the actual physical disk. Furthermore, the information\non the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used. (i.e it must\ngo through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating\nsystem level or the BIOS level). Because of this "inbetween" program, windows\ncannot use direct methods to read from the "logical" disk.\n\na permenant swap file is only there to "reserve" an area of the disk that\nwindows can use and to block that space from DOS. Windows would theoretically\nnot even have to access the file from DOS to use that disk space. (I don\'t\nknow if it does or doesn\'t...but it checks for it somewhere everytime you\nboot windows.)\n\na temporary swap file is just a normal DOS file that is accessed by windows\nvia DOS and the BIOS. If a disk compression program or other TSR is loaded\nthe file access must go through DOS...TSR\'S (disk compression)...and BIOS in\norder to be access. (i.e. NEVER USE A TEMPORARY SWAP FILE...NEVER)\n\nmore on permenent swap files...\n\ni\'m sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk\nhas seen the message "you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested\nsize...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan\'t to create this\nswap file anyway" or something like that.\n\nwell, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why.\nwhat they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and\ndivides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block\nof free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers.\n\nThey also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows\nuses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that\'s what he \nsaid!\n\nI call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is\navailable to me if it\'s not going to use it?\n\nany takers?\n\nJames\n\n(if this doesn\'t get to the net, will someone post it for me? thanks)\n\n',
'From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley)\nSubject: VGA Mode 13h Routines Available\nNntp-Posting-Host: suncad.camosun.bc.ca\nOrganization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 31\n\nHi there,\n\nI\'ve made a VGA mode 13h graphics library available via FTP. I originally\nwrote the routines as a kind of exercise for myself, but perhaps someone\nhere will find them useful. They are certainly useable as they are, but\nare missing some higher-level functionality. They\'re intended more as an\nintro to mode 13h programming, a starting point.\n\n*** The library assumes a 386 processor, but it is trivial to modify it\n*** for a 286. If enough people ask, I\'ll make the mods and re-post it as a\n*** different version.\n\nThe routines are written in assembly (TASM) and are callable from C. They\nare fairly simple, but I\'ve found them to be very fast (for my purposes,\nanyway). Routines are included to enter and exit mode 13h, define a\n"virtual screen", put and get pixels, put a pixmap (rectangular image with\nno transparent spots), put a sprite (image with see-thru areas), copy\nareas of the virtual screen into video memory, etc. I\'ve also included a\nsimple C routine to draw a line, as well as a C routine to load a 256\ncolor GIF image into a buffer. I also wrote a quick\'n\'dirty(tm) demo program\nthat bounces a bunch of sprites around behind three "windows".\n\nThe whole package is available on spang.camosun.bc.ca in /pub/dos/vgl.zip \nIt is zipped with pkzip 2.04g\n\nIt is completely in the public domain, as far as I\'m concerned. Do with\nit whatever you like. However, it\'d be nice to get credit where it\'s due,\nand maybe an e-mail telling me you like it (if you don\'t like it don\'t bother)\n\nMark\nmorley@camosun.bc.ca\n',
'From: toelle@uenics.evansville.edu (Chad Toelle)\nSubject: Fax software for windows\nOrganization: University of Evansville\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 10\n\nI would like to know about the current fax software available for\nWindows. Does it take a 9600 baud fax/modem or 14.4K ? Please\nrespond with info.\n\nThank you very much\n-- \nChad Toelle toelle@evansville.edu\n4216 S. St. Philip Rd - or -\nMt. Vernon, IN 47620 uunet!evansville.edu!toelle\n (812) 985-3222 \n',
"From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)\nSubject: Senator Patty Murrey's tax proposal\nOrganization: Boeing\nLines: 19\n\n If you haven't heard yet, US Senator Patty Murrey, a Mom in\ntennis shoes, is planning to introduce legislation to tax\nall handgun transactions and increase dealer licnese costs in\norder to raise money to cover the costs of un-insured shooting\nvictums. She plans to start with $2500.00 per year dealer fees\nand $40.00 or so, depending on the type of firearm, per gun\ntransaction. She plans to make it federal.\n She was elected in Washington state under the trade mark as\njust a mom in tennis shoes. She can be written to via the\nUnited States Senate, Washinton DC. She is looking for your\ntennis shoes. So if you have a pair please send them to her\nwith your feelings regarding this tax. \n She claims she has heard little from the opposition.\n\nLets inundate her!\n\n\n-- \nBIGOT! The definition of a bigot is a conservative winning an argument!\n",
'From: abou@dam.cee.clarkson.edu (Abou Bakr,Damon 317,268-6611,265-8419)\nSubject: Re: Forsale and Wanted (HD/Fax/Typewriter)\nArticle-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.013847.16309\nOrganization: Clarkson University\nLines: 29\nNntp-Posting-Host: dam.cee.clarkson.edu\n\nFrom article <1pf5qe$b3b@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, by jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware):\n> \n> I\'m looking to *buy* the following items:\n> \n> Fax machine: a plain one, don\'t need any extras, just the basic model. Good\n> \tworking order only. These sell in stores for dirt cheap, so don\'t\n> \tmake me any offers like "it cost me $599 but I\'ll sell it for $400"\n> \n> PC-AT Hard Drive: MFM type, 40 Mbytes, half-height only. I have a Seagate\n> \tST-151 (3.5") on my machine, looking for same or similar type\n> \n> \n> I have the following item for *sale*:\n> \n> Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I\'m\n> \tselling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface for this\n> \ttypewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no\n> \tcable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It\'s\n> \tgreat if you need to send letter with "typewriter look". In\n> \tstand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several "effects" like\n> \tunderline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/\n> \tline correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the\n> \tinterface\n> \n> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Jorge Lach\t\t\tSun Microsystems Computer Corporation\n> Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com\t\tEast Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA\n> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> \n',
"From: don@hunan.rastek.com (Donald Owen Newbold)\nSubject: Re: ATM... ==> Now HPLJ 4 Pricing\nOrganization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL\nLines: 41\n\nWhile there are too many PS clones to count, some of which are quite poor,\ntrying to clone something that goes through regular modifications does require\nsome patience. Three questions come to mid real quick for something like\nthis.\n\nQ:\tWhich version of Adobe PS will we clone?\n\tAside from the level 1 and level 2 issues, Adobe has in the past released\n\tnew code that incorporates modifications/upgrades/fixes just as all other\n\tsoftware vendors do. The level 2 stuff may seem sound now, but I assure\n\tyou,changes will become more frequent as their customer list begins to\n\tdwindle in the face of competition. This allows them to shift people to\n\tmaintenance, as well as design efforts for level 3.\n\nQ:\tDo we duplicate the bugs, or do we make it work correctly?\n\tFrom the LaserWriter to the LaserJet 4 there have been bugs. (If I had\n\ta number to call at HP or Adobe, they'ld have heard from me.) Deciding\n\twhich approach to take depends on which printer you want to emulate.\n\nQ:\tDo we follow the Red Book, or do we follow someone's implementation?\n\tWithout a doubt, there are differences between the Red Book and Adobe's\n\tPS. With level 2 many issues have been refined but the Red Book does\n\tleave big, big holes in the implementation specific stuff. It would be\n\tnice it the Red Bood at least pined things down enough so that two\n\tdifferent implementations of Adobe's PS don't do the exact opposite given\n\tan identical set of conditions.\n\nQ:\tPSCRIPT.DRV?\n\tHaving done a lot of PS clone testing myself, the unfortunate side of\n\ttesting is the limited number of sources for test files. The primary\n\tsource we use is Genoa. And having characterizes their 1992 PS ATS files,\n\t(1300+ of them) over half are taken from PSCRIPT.DRV. It may not ideal,\n\tbut the ATS files are what the printer vendors use. I'm sure that Adobe\n\tuses them too, but Adobe's output is by definition correct, even if its\n\twrong.\n\nYes, there are some very poor clones. We've seen them here at Rastek (a sub\nof Genicom which has its own clone called GeniScript). Some are poor for lack\nof design, some are poor because they followed the Red Book, and some are poor\nbecause the vendors don't know what PS is.\n\nDon Newbold\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tdon@rastek.com\n",
"From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans\nNntp-Posting-Host: mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com\nOrganization: Novell, Inc\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5KMz5.Hy4@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed\nIpser) wrote:\n> \n> \n> Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans\n> \n> \n[deleted for a very good reason which I'm sure you can guess]\n>\n\n0. Enact a law that bans people without a sense of humor from\n posting allegedly humorous items. If he did this, I think\n his approval rating would go through the roof!\n\n> Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993\n\nThis means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists\nin your .sigs, folks!\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------\nMel Walker mwalker@novell.com\nAll opinions expressed are of the author.\nNovell, Inc. is not responsible for the content of this article.\n",
'From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)\nSubject: Re: So Why Does Clayton Cramer Fixate on Molesting Children\nOrganization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:\n>From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\n>-\n>-2. The homosexuals have gotten a law passed in California that\n>-makes it illegal to discriminate against a person in employment\n>-based on their sexual orientation -- and not defined sexual\n>-orientation. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation.\n>-\n>\n\n\n\n\n\nGOT HIM! Cramer is now claiming that pedophilia is a sexual orientation\nrather than a chronicly homosexual condition. This changes the whole\nargument in as much that is pedophilia is a sexual orientation all\nof its own peds cannot be called homosexual. Peds are peds who\nmay have a preference as to the sex of the child they molest (though\nmost do not have a preference) but that is a subset of their basic\nped nature.\n\nCramer has as much as admitted that peds and gay men are different\norientations. All we need now is to get him to admit that\nthe apparent similarities he keeps on about are just optical illusions.\n\nxavier\n-- \n* Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play ***************************\n* Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ******\n* World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email ***************************\n* Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\n',
'From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)\nSubject: Re: 68040 Specs.\nOrganization: Netcom. San Jose, California\nLines: 43\n\npatrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes ...\n>I\'d appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following:\n>(if you only know one, that\'s fine)\n>1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium)\n\nSpecs for the 68040 can fill a 500 page book. Some highlights are...\n32-bit address space w/ 32-bit data width. 18 32-bit integer registers \n& 8 80-bit floating point registers. 8K copyback capable caches,\n4-way set associative. Typical 1.2 clocks/integer instruction. 5\nclocks for a floating point multiply.\n\n(interesting aside: the 68040 can multiply two 80-bit floating point\nnumbers in less time than it can multiply two 32-bit integers)\n\n>2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc...\n\nMore of the same but with multiple instruction dispatching. Figure\nabout 0.8 clocks per instruction typical (my guess). But the Motorola\nguys are pretty bright, it may be less.\n\n>I\'m interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever),\n>costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info.\n\nCall Motorola. I\'m not typing it all in.\n\n>I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people.\n\nI\'m predicting that both the 680x0 and x86 lines are reaching their\nends. New experimental processors have 64-bit data pathways and can\nschedule up to 8 out of 32 instructions each clock cycle. That sort\nof trick can\'t really be done with CISC architectures.\n\nI finally saw some details on the 586/Pentium and was not greatly\nimpressed. They\'ve finally done some work on the FPU to get it up to\nspeed, but otherwise it\'s only going to be a 2x speedup. And to get\nthat they\'re using two integer units, larger caches, and a branch\ntarget buffer. Yes, I know they\'re talking about 100MHz processors.\nBig whoop. Designing a 100MHz board is difficult and really\nexpensive. Priced 15ns memory chips lately?\n\n-- \nRay Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth\nray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche\n',
"From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)\nSubject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!\nArticle-I.D.: hpscit.1qkomb$c22\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10]\n\nReading all you folks things to do to illegally parked cars made me\nwonder who's going to carry cinder blocks on a bike(?!?!?) or is \nready to do serious damage (key carvings etc.) to a cage. Then I\nhad an idea--chain lube isn't just for chain's anymore!!! It seems\nmore reasonable to me, no permanent damage but lots of work to get\noff! (Don't ask me how I know :) Use it anywhere, the windshield,\nthe door handles, in the keyhole, etc. What a nasty mood I'm in.\nIt's raining again...\n\n _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________\n| |\n| Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 |\n| Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. |\n| 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 |\n| Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com |\n|______________________________________________________________|\n",
"From: xyzzy@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Daniel Drucker)\nSubject: tape down selections\nArticle-I.D.: hal.1r4cej$1jc8\nOrganization: dis\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu\n\nI just had an idea. I'm not sure if its been done and I'm just\nremembering it unconsiously, but I thought that in dialog\nboxes and whatever in windowing systems, there should be a\nway to intuitivly set some things checked or unchecked or\nfilled in a certain way. My idea: tape. You know, like putting\na piece of tape over a light switch?\nJust an idea, if you like it, use it.\n\n-- \nDaniel Drucker N2SXX | xyzzy@gnu.ai.mit.edu\nForever, forever, my Coda. | und2dzd@vaxc.hofstra.edu\n",
'From: al@escom.com (Al Donaldson)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nReply-To: al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson)\nOrganization: ESCOM Corp., Oakton VA (USA)\nDistribution: na\nLines: 16\n\namolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:\n>Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some\n>effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in\n>the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they\'re gonna, ...\n\nAnd if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn\'t have had\nto send people into the Watergate.\n\nBut that\'s not really the issue. The real issue is whether this \nwill be used to justify a ban against individuals\' use of private \n(i.e., anything else) encryption methods.\n\nUnrelated question...isn\'t the term "Clipper," as neat as it is,\nalready taken by Intergraph?\n\nAl\n',
'From: jsm1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Jason S. MacDonald)\nSubject: Re: LC Ram Upgrade will be SLOW!\nNntp-Posting-Host: crux1.cit.cornell.edu\nReply-To: jsm1@cornell.edu\nOrganization: Ono-Sendai Corporation\nLines: 35\n\ndouce@tfsquad.mn.org (Andrew Geweke) writes:\n> I cannot speak for Dale. But I am quite sure that the Macintosh \n>uses the full 16-bit or 32-bit data path to its full advantage. That is, \n>it is running as fast with two or four 30-pin SIMMs as it would with one \n>72-pin SIMM. Now, it may be that longword accesses (assuming a 32-bit \n>data path here) get the first byte from the first SIMM, the second byte \n>from the second, and so on. This would mean that each longword of memory \n>is actually split among four SIMMs, one for each byte. On the other hand, \n>it could be that the SIMMs are interleaved by word or longword (not just \n>by byte), or they could be successive in memory, and the memory \n>controller deals with the eight-bit data path that each one has. I \n>suspect, though, that they are interleaved to some extent so that 32 bits \n>can be read or written at once. This would indicate a byte-level \n>interleave.\n> I am NOT confusing this with the new machines\' longword \n>interleave with two 72-pin SIMMs of the same sort, although that seems to \n>be the same sort of idea. There, you get an essential 64-bit data path ro \n>(excuse me, to) RAM instead of just a 32-bit one. Yes, the CPU can\'t \n>handle it, but when writing to successive addresses it speeds something \n>up.\n> So, Dale, am I right? 30-pin SIMMs are interleaved by bytes, \n>allowing the full data bus? Or, as is common with Usenet and me in \n>particular, am I as clueless as everyone else?\n\nWhat conclusion can be drawn from this? I\'m trying to figure out what kind\nof memory configuration for the LC III (32-bit datapath) would be fastest. Any\nideas?\n\nThanks,\nJason MacDonald\n--\n- Jason Scott MacDonald - jsm1@cornell.edu - jsm1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu\n"Technology sufficiently advanced is ____\n indistinguishable from magic." \\ / "Cats exist so that we\n -- Arthur C. Clarke \\/ may caress the lion."\n',
"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)\nSubject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit \nOrganization: Megatest Corporation\nLines: 59\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.144826.4607@bnr.ca> moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:\n>: >> >Just a thought of mine here:\n>: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1\n>: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V.\n>: >> >On-hook = LED on\n>: >> >Off-hook = LED off.\n>: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know.\n>: >>\n>: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the\n>: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook.\n>: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current.\n>: >\n>: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an\n>: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think\n>: >there's something wrong with the cable.\n>: >\n>: \n>: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when \n>: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the \n>: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on \n>: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector.\n>\n>If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just\n>make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but\n>it's something like 100mA or more?)\n\nCareful now folks... Also consider the 90VAC+ @20Hz that is forced on ring\nand tip when the phone's supposed to ring! Even with a simple zener\nand LED setup, you might end up with some carbon real quick. Whatever\nscheme you use, make sure you've got at least 200V-rated components on \nthe frontend.\n\nAlso remember that, if I'm not mistaken, the phone line is a 600ohm\nequivalent circuit. Any current you draw from the 48V or so gets\ndropped across that 600ohms. That's fine until you're down to roughly\n12V, when Ma Bell considers it to be off-hook. But dropping it that\nfar down is probably a big no-no.\n\nThe easiest implementation to accomplish the above??\n\n tip ------->|-----\\/\\/\\/\\-----+----------+\n rectifier resistor | |\n diode | \\ \n V /\n zener /---/ \\ resistor\n | /\n | |\n | V LED\n | ---\n | |\n ring --------------------------+----------+\n\nThis is only a suggestion...go ahead and blow holes in it, but you\nget the idea. Choose a high-efficiency LED so you don't need much\ncurrent to get it to light up. Choose values for the other components\nas required.\n\naaron\n\n",
'From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)\nSubject: Bob "Putz" Cain (was: Pgp and other BS)\nNntp-Posting-Host: next7.cs.umr.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.195927.3952@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes:\n>Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote:\n>: In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes:\n[...]\n>: Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them\n>: they are wrong, and then don\'t offer any proof for your assertions.\n>: \n>: You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up.\n>: \n>\n>I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead.\n\nDon\'t bother. <C5J0t.K52@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> has pretty much made\nyour pathetic ass superfluous. You lose. Pack up your bags and\ngo home.\n\n>Putz Cain\n\nWell, if the shoe fits....\n\ncpk\n',
'From: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed)\nSubject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ?\nOriginator: ahmeda@celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 59\n\n\nIn article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:\n|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n|> \n|> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?\n|> ------------------------------------\n|> \n|> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they\n|> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and\n|> attempt to starve the Gazans.\n|> \n|> [...]\n|> \n|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and\n|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas\n|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all\n|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n|> these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal.\n|> \n|> Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews.\n|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.\n|> \n|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I\n|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.\n|> \n|> Harry.\n\nO.K., its my turn:\n\n DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!\n\nI am sick and tired of this \'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA\' sentance attributed\nto Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can\'t be proven as part of their\nplan !\n\n(Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity\nsince it was coined by Bnai Brith)\n\nWhat Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media,\nis an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic\nLaw. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in\nPalestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants.\n\nHowever, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their\nhomes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political\nthought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the\nJews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice.\n\nAs for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat\'s mind.\n\nAlthough their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true\nsuper-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the\nJews used to establish their state : Religion.\n\n\nAhmed.\n\n',
"From: wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands)\nSubject: request for video in Pittsburgh area\nKeywords: Sunday afternoon\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 11\n\n\n\tThere was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins' \nseason on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening \ngame against the Devils on Sunday. I only turned it on in time to \nwatch the credits. If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow \nit to dub it, I would appreciate it. I would be willing to come pick \nit up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer. Please \nrespond via e-mail. Thanks a lot.\n\tOh yeah. Was it any good?\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-Billy\n\n",
'From: nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan)\nSubject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT)\nOrganization: The Santa Cruz Operation\nLines: 127\n\n\n"Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> says:\n>\n>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in\n>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc?\n>\n>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something\n>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I\n>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX. \n>\n>The Probe is the youngest of the bunch, thus my interest in opinions.\n>But every magazine and ratings book places it as an excellent value.\n>BTW, the 240SX is rear-wheel drive and is due for a re-design for 1994. \n>\n>Thanks in Advance!\n\nWhile I don\'t read normally read this group, I was looking for Valentine radar\ninformation (sigh, maybe in the FAQ) and came across your posting..\n\nI bought a \'93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles)\nafter debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, \nand Celica.\n\nCheck this month\'s Consumer Reports for previous Probe records. \n\nMy criteria: a "fun" car with ABS, airbag, over 130hp, and less than $25K.\nI thought about a turbo, but checking with insurance people ruled that out.\nThe Tri-Star cars (Eclipse/Talon/etc) were out since they don\'t have an air bag.\nDitto for the Mustang(also no ABS).\nThe SE-R/NX2000/M20 fell into the pocket-rocket category. A good used car buy.\nThe MX-6 was almost there but rolled more than I liked. \nI didn\'t like the Prelude dash/instrumentation at all. Too weird for me.\nThe MR2 has a much smaller non-passenger space than I needed, so out that went.\nThe Celica was "ok" but underpowered when loaded with options (and somewhat\noverpriced too) in non-turbo form.\nI never considered the 240SX since it didn\'t have an airbag. I did look at it\nfor its RWD virtues but that\'s it. The Corolla never entered my mind.\nI should have looked at the Mitsubishi VR4/Dodge Stealth more.\nSince my list was exhausted, I bought the Probe. :-)\n\nThe car design is different than earlier years, so it\'s too early to see its\nreliability so far. For what it\'s worth, my comments:\n\nMy dislikes:\nShutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal.\nHeadlights have "stuck" up a few times (weather?)\nair conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch)\ncondensation around rear washer fluid container doesn\'t drain completely.\ncrammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical)\nparts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts\nunderside plastic doesn\'t like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical).\nassembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not \nstitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke.\nFord only gives 1 key with the car. C\'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies!\nRear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I\'m waiting for the day when\nI bash my head on the corner.\nhorn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference)\nTires fling dirt/mud onto side of car \n\nMy Likes:\nengine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1\nhandling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits)\ntransmission (the 5 speed is a must)\nusable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere)\nVery little torque steer at full power (much better than the \'90 SHO I drive)\nstability at 100+mph (high gearing though)\nlow cowl (good visibility in front)\nHeated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather)\nABS/Air bag (see above)\nrear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important)\nNo shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!)\nTires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-)\n\nAs you can see, I\'m primarily interested in the engine. While it doesn\'t\nhave the uummmph of a big-liter car or the turbo rush, the big selling\npoint for me was the all-aluminum 24 value 2.5 liter engine. \n\nThe overall car is a good buy for the money. That market segment hasn\'t changed\nmuch since July (Prelude VTEC, Honda Del Sol??). I drive it to and from work\neach day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the\nProbe\'s suspension doesn\'t like potholes. When you test drive one, find a \npotholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable.\nIf you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They\'ll find\nthat they have no room in the back and you\'ll find that the car rides\ndifferently (if that\'s "better" is up to you). Also, there\'s a lot of glass\naround you which I wasn\'t expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty\nhot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about\nthe lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with\nthe heat. I\'ve heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine.\nLeather and the keyless entry system weren\'t available when I got the car so\nI can\'t comment on them (I got the car before it was officially announced). \nI prefer cloth to leather anyway. \n\nI wouldn\'t want this car in the snow: The suspension is too rough for the\ninevitable surprise potholes, tires aren\'t meant for snow, and the seats assume\nthat you\'re not wearing lots of thick clothing. Rain is much better: water \ngenerally beads off the windshield at freeway speed, the windshield wiper\ncontrols are easy and understandable, and I barely hydroplaned once with the\nEagles (and I was really trying). \nThere is also a definite lack of cup holder/small storage places. The GT\nhas map holders below the speakers in the door, but they\'re rigid plastic\nthat could fit two cassettes or CD\'s max. The center console/storage bin/arm\nrest has *1* cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth "pouch"\nbut that\'s it. No change holders. Quite a let-down from the SHO.\nAnd the Probe is definitely not a people-mover car or an econo-box car!\n\nLastly, don\'t store wet car covers in the back. The foam will soak the \nwater up and the result will *not* smell pleasant :-(.\n\nNathan\nnathan@sco.com\n\n>\n>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>|Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: |\n>|zonker+@cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my|\n>| FAST Project, CMU-GSIA | Software| opinions, alone. |\n>|B.S. Mechanical Engineering, CMU| | Ya Gotta Love It. |\n>| Every Silver Lining\'s Got a Touch of Grey |\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> This year marks the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights\n>\n\n\n-- \nMX: nathan@sco.com \n "NO COMMENT"/They\'re coming to take me away, Ha-Ha! -- Napolean XIV\n',
'From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser)\nSubject: Religious wars\nOrganization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.\nLines: 33\n\nI don\'t know if this is the sort of thing you guys like\nto discuss. I guess it falls into the area of apologetics.\n\nThis is a question that seems to pop up now and again in\nconversations with non-christians. It usually appears in\nthe following sort of unqualified statement:\n"Well you know that religion has caused more wars than\nanything else"\nIt bothers me that I cannot seem to find a satisfactory\nresponse to this. After all if our religion is all about\npeace and love why have there been so many religious wars?\n Personally I am of the view that religion has often been\nused as an excuse to instigate wars often to disguise\nnational ambitions but I would love to hear what anyone\nelse has to say about this subject.\n Thanks in advance\n Andrew J Fraser\n\n(If we\'re thinking in terms of history, the Crusades,\nNorthern Ireland, Yugoslavia(?) come immediately to mind)\n\nnorthern Ireland, Yugoslavia (? \n \n-- \n=========================================================================\n|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk ||\n|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow.\t\t\t ||\n|| Standard disclaimers... ||\n\n[I\'m beginning to suspect that the natural condition of humans is\nconflict. Perhaps we should not ask whether a religion or philosophy\nhas been involved in any wars -- since they all have -- but whether\nit has stopped any. --clh]\n',
"From: lumpkin@corvus.nas.nasa.gov (Forrest E. Lumpkin III)\nSubject: HELP - SCSI Woes on Mac IIfx\nKeywords: SCSI, IIfx\nOrganization: NASA Ames Research Center \nLines: 46\n\nI am having trouble with SCSI on a Mac IIfx. The machine is 3 years old\nand I have been using the same hard drive (internal Maxtor LXT-200S) for\ntwo and a half years. The disk recently crashed. I reformatted (Silverlining\n5.42), but during the reformat I received random write errors during testing.\nThe error message reported was like:\n\nSector 0: Write error detected after testing good - sector not mapped out.\n\nThis occurred randomly all over the hard disk (which makes me suspect the\ndiagnostic's reference to Sector 0 ??? ). On the third reformat and after\nreinstalling the SCSI read/write loops I was able to get through passes\n2,3, and 4 with no errors. (Pass 1 for some reason reported a lot of errors,\nbut still mapped out no sectors.) I decided to go ahead and try to resinstall\nSystem 7 and reload my data from a backup. This proceded normally; however,\nI now have sub-optimal performance. Symptoms include:\n\n o Frequent crashes\n o Instances of extremely sluggish disk access requiring a reboot to\n correct.\n o Instances of not finding the disk on the SCSI chain on reboot.\n - If I boot from Norton Utl. after this occurs, it cannot find the\n disk either.\n - The only thing that fixes this is recycling the power. It sometimes\n requires several attempts.\n\nQUESTIONS:\n\n 1) Has anyone had this type of problem before?\n 2) Is the problem with the fx motherboard (And its non-standard\n SCSI implementation) or with my Maxtor Disk? Is there some\n diagnostic software that would help me make this determination?\n 3) Is it a termination problem? I currently have external Syquest\n and an external DataFrame XP60 on the chain. The XP60 is at the\n end, and has internal termination; so I am not using the IIfx\n terminator. I do have the SCSI filter installed on the internal\n drive. I have run with this exact steup for 2 1/2 years with\n one previous disk crash requiring a reformat (about a year ago).\n I also have symptoms if I disconnect the external devices;\n so I don't see how SCSI termination would now be an issue. Of\n course who knows :-<\n\nHelp would be much appreciated.\n\nForrest E. Lumpkin III\nNASA Ames Research Center\nlumpkin@corvus.arc.nasa.gov\n",
'From: gtj@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Glenn T Jayaputera)\nSubject: Need Info on high quality video card\nOrganization: RMIT Department of Computer Science\nLines: 10\n\nHi...I need some info on video card. I am looking a video card that can\ndeliver a high quality picture. I need the card to display images (well\nfor advertising company btw), so it must be rich with colors and the speed\nmust be fast too.\n\nI am just wondering if somebody can advise me what to buy for such\napplication, and possible the address of the vendor.\n\nthanks in advance\nGlenn Jayaputera\n',
'From: uschelp3@idbsu.edu (Mike Madson)\nSubject: Tires For Sale\nSummary: The last one was a test.\nLines: 6\nNntp-Posting-Host: 132.178.16.65\nOrganization: bsu\n\nI have a set of four 235-60-R14 Big O tires that I had on my 1988 Thunder \nBird. We bought them and then traided the car in. They would not give me \nanything for them so I had them taken off. We drove about 2,000 miles on \nthem. They are 40,000 mile tires. They are sporty looking low-profile, and \ntake corners realy well. If you are interested please contact me at (208)384-\n9236 OR DUSMADSO@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU I am in IDAHO. USA\n',
'From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Re: Getting Off to an Early Start!\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 61\n\nPatrick Townson <ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu> writes:\n>So ... the Jury will be making its announcement at 7:00 AM Saturday\n>morning Pacific Time .... 10:00 AM Eastern Time. Why such an ungodly\n>hour?\n>\n>Maybe by making the announcement at 7:00 AM on the west coast,\n>they figure all the rioters will be asleep, giving the troops\n>time to move into place. \n\nSince the actual verdicts were not known by the authorities, it was\nsmart not to allow "Friday night for fighting" (sorry, Elton) and to\nseal them for this morning. Also, it allows for maximum daylight to\nwear down and frustrate any potential troublemakers, as well as give\nmore preparation time.\n\n>I guess we can look forward to a weekend of rioting, eh? \n\nAre you a local news intern? (-;\n\n>The Mayor of Los Angeles, in a press conference about 3:00 AM\n>Saturday morning, ...\n\nActually, that was 8 PM \'cos it was shown live on our 11 PM news\nand cut into CNN\'s 11 O\'clock Sports (sorry, but I didn\'t watch\nthe Devils-Islanders game! No SportsChannel ...).\n\n>Meanwhile, following the announcement of the jury\'s verdict, the\n>judge, jury and assorted court personnel will be evacuated from the\n>building via helicopters landing on the roof of the courthouse. They\n>can\'t even walk out through the front door with their heads held\n>high. \n\nWe had cutovers to LA\'s KNBC on our WNBC, and I didn\'t recall this\ndetail. But I\'ll not comment further on that ...\n\n>Won\'t the rioters have a surprise waiting for them when they wake\n>up later today!\n\nA net-contact in L.A. tells me that the alert will remain over this\nweekend, as some elements may find excuse over the not-guilty verdicts\non three of five charges (the aiding-and-abetting). Those acquittals\nseem to balance out the fact that Rodney King himself was not any kind\nof angel that night, speeding and fleeing et al. However ... Another\nconsideration is any street celebrations over the two convictions on\nthe excessive force charges (Koons for incompetance, and Powell for\noverreacting --- both guilty as heck even from the view of NYPD cops\ninterviewed) that might get out of hand. )-; Also, some elements\nmay take the acquittals as an excuse to challenge the cops (a dumb\nmove, obviously). And, Koreans are still scared and certain people\nare really mad over how they have armed themselves in the last year.\n\nA Commander from Nassau, Long Island was questioned about how his\npeople would have handled Rodney King, and he said "We\'d have let\nhim roll around in the dirt \'til he got tired, then handcuff him".\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n',
'From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea...\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes:\n>Okay, let\'s suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered\n>Key system becomes standard and I\'m able to buy such a system\n>from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in\n>chip and the government has the key to every phone call. \n>I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. \n>\n>What\'s to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or \n>buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered\n>keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes \n\nIt\'s very possible, even likely, that the serial number of the\ninvididual chip is broadcast either in a standard encrypted \nformat, so that all the big brother types need to do is listen to\nthe traffic, get a court order (generally just by saying that they\nthink you may be a crook) and go to it.\nr\n>to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the \n>secret key registered under my name isn\'t the right one. \n>\n>That leads me to conjecture that:\n>\n>1) The system isn\'t that secure. There are just two master keys\n>that work for all the phones in the country. The part about\n>registering your keys is just bogus. \n>\n>or \n>\n>2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks\n>like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to\n>town.\n>\n>In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper."\'jbl)mW:wxlD2\n\n\n',
'From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 47\n\nIn <lsran6INN14a@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric \nMarsh) writes:\n\n>In article <C5HqxJ.JDG@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 \nStudent) writes:\n>>Hmmmm. Define objective morality. Well, depends upon who you talk to.\n>>Some say it means you can\'t have your hair over your ears, and others say\n>>it means Stryper is acceptable. _I_ would say that general principles\n>>of objective morality would be listed in one or two places.\n\n>>Ten Commandments\n\n>>Sayings of Jesus\n\n>>the first depends on whether you trust the Bible, \n\n>>the second depends on both whether you think Jesus is God, and whether\n>> you think we have accurate copies of the NT.\n\n>Gong!\n\n>Take a moment and look at what you just wrote. First you defined\n>an "objective" morality and then you qualified this "objective" morality\n>with subjective justifications. Do you see the error in this?\n\n>Sorry, you have just disqualified yourself, but please play again.\n\n>>MAC\n>>\n\n>eric\n\nHuh? Please explain. Is there a problem because I based my morality on \nsomething that COULD be wrong? Gosh, there\'s a heck of a lot of stuff that I \nbelieve that COULD be wrong, and that comes from sources that COULD be wrong. \nWhat do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning? \nCOuldn\'t that be wrong?\n\nMAC\n--\n****************************************************************\n Michael A. Cobb\n "...and I won\'t raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois\n class to pay for my programs." Champaign-Urbana\n -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu\n \nWith new taxes and spending cuts we\'ll still have 310 billion dollar deficits.\n',
"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)\nSubject: Program argument: geometry\nOrganization: Oracle Europe\nLines: 7\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nI have a question regarding the processing of program arguments\nsuch as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option, \nI'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there\nis some predefined function that will do this for me?\n\nThanks for any info\n--> Robret\n",
"From: rytg7@fel.tno.nl (Q. van Rijt)\nSubject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?\nOrganization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory\nLines: 26\n\nThere is another useful method based on Least Sqyares Estimation of the sphere equation parameters.\n\nThe points (x,y,z) on a spherical surface with radius R and center (a,b,c) can be written as \n\n (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 + (z-c)^2 = R^2\n\nThis equation can be rewritten into the following form: \n\n 2ax + 2by + 2cz + R^2 - a^2 - b^2 -c^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2\n\nApproximate the left hand part by F(x,y,z) = p1.x + p2.x + p3.z + p4.1\n\nFor all datapoints, i.c. 4, determine the 4 parameters p1..p4 which minimise the average error |F(x,y,z) - x^2 - y^2 - z^2|^2.\n\nIn 'Numerical Recipes in C' can be found algorithms to solve these parameters.\n\nThe best fitting sphere will have \n- center (a,b,c) = (p1/2, p2/2, p3/2)\n- radius R = sqrt(p4 + a.a + b.b + c.c).\n\nSo, at last, will this solve you sphere estination problem, at least for the most situations I think ?.\n\nQuick van Rijt, rytg7@fel.tno.nl\n\n\n\n",
'From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ)\nSubject: I WANT YOUR 486sx or dx CHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!\nLines: 14\nOrganization: Dakota State University\nLines: 14\n\n\n\tI am in the market for a couple of Intel 486 chips.\n\tPlease let me know if you have one (or more) for sale.\n\tI am interested in both SX and DX models, but they\n\tmust be Intel.\n\t\n\temail me at: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu\n\n\n------------------------------------------------------------\nMike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu\nResearch and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu\nDakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet\n\n',
'From: thssccb@iitmax.iit.edu (catherine c bareiss)\nSubject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK\nOrganization: Illinois Institute of Technology\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <Apr.17.01.11.19.1993.2268@geneva.rutgers.edu> mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:\n>\n> I\'m concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they\'d\n>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in\n>ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam\n>and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in\n>1979 as " a covert political and ideological institution used by the\n>U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and\n>repression."\n\nI have personally know quite of few of the Wycliffe Bible Translators.\nAs an organization their fundamental purpose is to translate the scriptures\ninto the native languages which in terms usual means learning it and \ndeveloping a written language (along with teaching the natives to read).\nIt is not associated with the U.S. govt. at all. Many governments\nwant the help of the translators. To the best of my knowledge the \nMexican government now encourages them to come. Their idea is not\ncultural interference but the presentation of the Good News.\n\nTo understand more about what they do, I suggest you read some of the books\n(autobiographical and biographical) about some of the translators. One\nthat stands out in my mind as an excellent is called "Peace Child."\nThis would give a true picture of what their mission is.\n\n> My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even\n>praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It\'s important that\n>Christians don\'t immediately accept every "Christian" organization as\n>automatically above reproach.\n>\n> mp\nI agree with this statement, but we cannot also accept what others\nsay without looking into the issues. That would be the same as taking \nSuddan\'s discussion about the CIA, etc. as being true. We must look\nat both sides.\n\nCathy Bareiss\n',
'From: Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results)\nOrganization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1800@muller.loria.fr>\n\nAll these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\nNJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\nexcellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do\nit all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\ncaptain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see\nfor yourselves.\n',
"From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)\nSubject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement\nOrganization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <gradyC5uAMw.BnG@netcom.com>, grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes:\n> Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted \n> posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private\n> key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private\n> key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out\n> by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants,\n> and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use\n> of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for\n> non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key\n> but otherwises not encrypted.\n\n\tI like it. PGP would be useful, I guess. Although I don't have\na working version for VMS yet... :-(\n\n> grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F\n- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - \nDavid L. Cathey\t\t |INET: davidc@montagar.com\nMontagar Software Concepts |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc\nP. O. Box 260772, Plano TX 75026-0772 |Fone: (214)-618-2117\n",
"From: theroo@med.unc.edu (Bron D. Skinner Ph.D.)\nSubject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)\nNntp-Posting-Host: pelham.med.unc.edu\nOrganization: UNC-CH School of Medicine\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.140123.5018@cti.com> rlister@cti.com (Russell Lister) writes:\n>ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:\n>\n>>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 \n>>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion \n>>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click \n>>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to \n>>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly \n>>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump \n>>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have \n>>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? \n>\n>>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!\n>\n> I had the same problem. At first, I thought it was the video driver and \n> made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most\n> evident at SVGA resolution modes. It didn't help and after a bit of\n> experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA\n> resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable.\n> \n> My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It\n> worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications. On the \n> guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed\n> a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it. That solved the problem.\n> So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer\n> one.\n> \n\nAnother alternative is to clean the mouse you've got. Sometimes the\nrollers inside the mouse pick up a ball of lint or other debris. Open the\nbottom of the mouse, take out the ball and use some alcohol on a Q-tip to\nclean it out. Inspect the inside for any hairs or fuzz. I have had my\nmouse get real jumpy and cleared up the problem with this procedure.\n",
"From: aardvark@cygnus.la.locus.com (Warren Usui)\nSubject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?\nKeywords: Phillies\nOrganization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <ericsC5Hzr5.EuI@netcom.com> erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes:\n>Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year,\n>but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as\n>1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13).\n\t.\n\t.\n\t.\n>the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be\n>one of the closest last minute scrambles ever.\n\nSince I was born in the late Pleistocene, I too remember 1964. That year,\nthe Dodgers were several games out of first and I think finished sixth in the\nleague. This was kind of odd because they won the World Series both the\nprevious year and the following year.\n \n\n-- \nWarren Usui\n\nI'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10.\n\n",
'From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann)\nSubject: Re: CLINTON: President to Nominate Carter for Nuclear Security Post\nOrganization: HSH Associates\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1qgbljINNn4o@life.ai.mit.edu>, Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore \'92) writes:\n> \n> THE WHITE HOUSE\n> Office of the President\n> For Immediate Release April 13, 1993\n> \n> PRESIDENT TO NOMINATE CARTER FOR NUCLEAR SECURITY \n\nNo, no, no! Bill, please, don\'t nominate ANYone who pronounces it\n"noo-q-lar"! Jimmy always used to drive everyone nuts when he did that! \nAnd don\'t let Amy anywhere near! And...\n\n> (Washington, DC) The President announced today that he intends \n> to nominate Ashton Carter, the Director of Harvard\'s Center for \n> Science and International Affairs, to be Assistant Secretary of \n> Defense for Nuclear Security and Counter-Proliferation.\n\n{Emily Litella voice}\n\n...never mind.\n\n------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ \n\nPaul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com)\n\n * They\'re not just opinions -- they\'re caffeine for the brain! *\n ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **\n Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading.\n',
'From: mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Tsuyoshi Mori)\nSubject: I want use DeskJet on System7\nOrganization: FUJITSU.Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.\nLines: 15\nDistribution: comp\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp\n\nI used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5.\n\nBut now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1,\nthen I can not print by my DeskJet.\n\nIs the Grappler LS old ?\nCan I use DeskJet on System7 ?\n\nPlease tell me how to use DeskJet on System7.\n\nThank you\n\n--\nFROM JAPAN mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp\n\n',
"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)\nSubject: Delaunay Triangulation\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu\n\n\nDoes anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?\nIs there any reference to it? \nIs it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nYeh\nUSC\n",
"From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel)\nSubject: Re: Aftermarket air-conditioners\nReply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes:\n|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si.\n|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on\n|> top of that. This is a hunk of change.\n|> \n|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation\n|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit).\n|> \n|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a\n|> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but\n|> any references would be handy.\n|>\n|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)\n\nSorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to\nmake concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp\n(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with\nit. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have\nan aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't\ntrust the quality and performance after this experience.\n\n - les\n\n-- \nLes Bartel\t\t\tI'm going to live forever\nIntergraph Corporation\t\t... or die trying\nElectronics Division\t\t\nljbartel@ingr.com\nor ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com\n(205) 730-8537\n",
'From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.)\nSubject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL?\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 51\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <C5Ky58.12KD@austin.ibm.com>, marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes...\n>In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:\n>>WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES???\n>>THEY\'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE.\n>>THEY\'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! \n> \n>I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they\'re in 2nd)! They ARE going PLACES -\n>San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami,\n>Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and\n>points in between. :-)\n> \n>But,\n>THEY\'RE 0-3 AT HOME!\n\nBut,\n THEY FACED THE PHILLIES -- A TEAM THAT GOT OFF TO AN 8-1 START.\n\n\n> \n>I\'m just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan. I really shouldn\'t\n>discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK! (But, get ahold of that shift\n>key, will ya?)\n> \n>ObBase: Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn\'t particularly\n>like excuses. An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - "If you\n>read it here, it was somewhere else first") said that he wouldn\'t take \n>injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been\n>accounted for. Uh, oh. I don\'t want an owner that\'ll keep everybody on\n>edge - I\'d never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows? Does \n\n\n To be honest, I think the city of Houston loves the new owner. He has\nbrought baseball back to Houston with key acquisitions -- players that\nwere from the Houston area and wanted to play for the Astros. I don\'t\nthink that too many people are fearful that McLane will meddle in the team\nas he has already admitted that he doesn\'t know a whole lot about baseball.\nMcLane is a businessman, and doesn\'t like excuses. He makes a valid point\nthat injuries shouldn\'t be an excuse to this club. Look at the depth of the\nbench this season.. Canadele can play 7 positions; Bass and James are solid\noutfielders and can hit well too; Uribe is nice to have as well.. The\npitching staff has 6 legitimate starters. We\'re dealing with a young\nHouston team, so injuries shouldn\'t play a big role. The only threat is\nthe bullpen -- if Jonesy goes out, we may be in trouble but with the\ntype of starters we have this season, there is less pressure on the pen.\n\n--- --- --- --- --- ---\n David S. Schwam\n University of Houston\n st1rp@jetson.uh.edu\n--- --- --- --- --- ---\n\n',
'From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)\nSubject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 44\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nGordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote:\n: In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (\nMarc Gabriel) writes:\n\n: >Now, I\'m not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it\'s very\n: >hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a\n: >"feel" for what is and what isn\'t LD. This comes from years of experience.\n: >No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a "quack"\n: >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck.\n: >\n: Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don\'t do cultures.\n: They poo-poo doing more lab tests: "this is Lyme, believe me, I\'ve\n: seen it many times. The lab tests aren\'t accurate. We\'ll treat it\n: now." Also, is Dr. N\'s practice almost exclusively devoted to treating\n: Lyme patients? I don\'t know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this\n: pattern. They are usually GPs.\n\nNo, he does not exclusively treat LD patients. However, in some parts of the\ncountry, you don\'t need to be known as an LD "specialist" to see a large\nnumber of LD patients walk through your office. Given the huge problem of\nunderdiagnosis, orthopedists encounter late manifestations of the disease just\nabout every day in their regular practices. Dr. N. told me that last year,\nhe sent between 2 and 5 patients a week to the LD specialists... and he is not\nthe only orthopedists in the town.\n\nLet\'s say that only 2 people per week actually have LD. That means at the\n*very minimum* 104 people in our town (and immediate area) develop late stage\nmanifestations of LD *every year*. Add in the folks who were diagnosed by\nneurologists, rheumatologists, GPs, etc, and you can see what kind of problem\nwe have. No wonder just about everybody in town personally knows an LD\npatient.\n\nHe refers most patients to LD specialists, but in extreme cases he puts the\npatient on medication immediately to minimize the damage (in most cases, to\nthe knees).\n\nGordon is correct when he states that most LD specialists are GPs.\n\n-Marc.\n-- \n--\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n Marc C. Gabriel - U.C. Box 545 -\n (215) 882-0138 Lehigh University\n',
"From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr)\nSubject: MacX 1.2 color problem\nSummary: Problem with MacX 1.2 painting in wrong colors\nKeywords: mac x color window macx\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 13\n\nI have a peculiar color problem with MacX, Apple's Macintosh X server.\nI'd like to know if others have seen the same problem. It's happened\nwith the current version (1.2), and with version 1.1.7.\nWhen some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows\nare in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server\nto repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen\nfor xterm windows, but has happened for graphic windows and with some\nMotif clients.\n-- \n\nStan Kerr \nComputing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana\nPhone: 217-333-5217 Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu \n",
'From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)\nSubject: Re: DEC pixmap size\nReply-To: klee@synoptics.com\nOrganization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com\n\nIn article 1964@igd.fhg.de, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes:\n>If I try to create a pixmap larger than the size of my screen the program\n>will terminate displaying the message:\n>\n>X Error: BadAlloc - insufficient resources\n\nMany X servers supporting graphics accelerators do not allow the creation\nof pixmaps exeeding the size of the screen. One workaround is to create\nseveral smaller pixmaps and add the results.\n\n---\nKen Lee, klee@synoptics.com\n',
"From: engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg (SOH KAM YUNG)\nSubject: Re: Protection of serial (RS232) lines\nOrganization: National University of Singapore\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 39\n\nMartin John Gregory (mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au) wrote:\n: I've started to look at some devices doing serial data transmission\n: over fairly decent distances in fairly noisy environments, and have\n: seen a variety of schemes for protecting the RS232 transceivers (and\n: the rest of the circuit) from transients on the serial lines. I'm\n: left wondering what is the best way of doing this? How necessary is\n: it?\n: [stuff deleted]\n: What is the wisdom on this out there?\n: \n: Ta,\n: \n: Martin.\n: \n: \nFrom what I know, protection is necessary, esp. if you plan to route\nthe cables into an unknown environment (out of your control). Things\nlike accidental shorts between the signal lines and power cables, or\neven lightning strikes are very likely and I don't think you like to see\nthe sight of your computer going up in smoke! [Even ethernet cards are\nprotected. I've looked at the one in my PC and the connector is\nprotected by a gas discharge tube!]\n\n{But if you plan to use the serial cables for internal routings (i.e. in\ncontrolled environments), it should be reasonably safe not to have\nthem.}\n\nSuggestion: look in the RS data book. They have several RS232\ntransceivers that have overvoltage protection. Among them include the\nLT1080, LT1081 and MAX250 and MAX251. The Maxims are suppose to be\nelectrically isolated ones but still need opto-isolators to work (don't\nask me why. I've never used them before.\n\nAnother alternative is an RS232 surge protector. Two are listed in the\nRS catalogue. If you need additional info (i.e. stock nos.), just e-mail\nme.\n\nSoh Kam Yung,\nengp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg\n",
'From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)\nSubject: Re: AudiWatch Update (Tm) #11\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.194838.13476@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr2.181037.11188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:\n>>powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell) writes:\n\n>>The kind of corporate raiding apparently undertaken by VW is shameful.\n>\n>Agreed. However, the particular execs had been working with Iggy for\n>many years and had left GM Europe to go to Detroit. With their raison\n>-andy\n\nI was out of date. VW is stealing execs directly from Opel,\nindependent of Lopez. Shameful.\n\n-andy\n\n\n\n',
"From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)\nSubject: Re: Royals\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nDistribution: na\nLines: 20\n\nIn <randall.734911319@moose> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:\n\n>The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time.\n>When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front\n>from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and\n>all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely\n>doomed.\n>Other than that, I guess they're OK.\n\n\tOh, lighten up. What depresses me is that they might actually \nfinish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in \n1970. Never mind that Gubizca is 0-2 with a 16.50 ERA, Gardner at 7.50,\nour main recent acquisitions (Lind, McReynolds, Jose) are averaging .210,\nDavid Cone is 0-2 (about how he was doing in KC before joining the Mets \nseveral years ago), our hitting sucks, and our pitching has collapsed, \nand we've won one game at home; they've won more games in their first ten\ngames than last year, and Brian McRae is actually batting over the \nMendoza line!\n\nrich.\n",
'From: etape@cwis.unomaha.edu (Elizabeth Harris Tape)\nSubject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ?\nOrganization: University of Nebraska at Omaha\nLines: 0\n\n',
"From: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (Why VLB busmastering slows your system)\nOrganization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes:\n>\n>Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to\n>a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system.....\n>\n>If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick\n>up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa\n>busmastering cards.\n\nIs VLB busmastering bad because it stops the processor fetching from\nexternal cache as well as main memory while the VLB card has the bus?\nHow significant is the slowing effect?\n",
'From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Need help with car stereo....\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\nJust a shot here, but ya never know:\n\nI once bought a (REAL) cheap equalizer / power amp for my car tape player \nat one of those motel-room truckload sales, and it sounded great. For a \nwhile, that is. Then one channel quit entirely. I opened it up, and the \namplifier chip for the bad channel had simply melted some of its solder \njoints attaching it to the PCB. I soldered them back and it worked fine. \nI just had to keep the volume a bit lower than I did before. Probably \nlousy heat sinking.\n\nYou said "a nice Alpine" which I\'m sure is a few orders of mag higher\nin quality than the P.O.S. I had. But the point is - look inside before\nyou scrap it, since you OCCASIONALLY find something you can repair.\nMaybe even the same thing I found.\n\nGood luck!\n',
'From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 33\n\nIn <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:\n\n>Hey Valentine, I don\'t see Boston with any world series rings on their\n>fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \n>future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best \n>signing. And don\'t tell me Boston will win this year. They won\'t \n>even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.\n\nYeah Valentine, how many rings does Clemens have? \n\nNothin\' like good old fashioned Canadian logic...\n\nBTW: The only good thing I can say about the Jay\'s rotation this year\nis that it could have been worse. Stewart might have stayed healthy.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n "So many morons...\nrm ...and so little time." \n',
'From: bbs.billand@tsoft.net (Bill Anderson)\nSubject: Handgun Restrictions\nOrganization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238\nLines: 7\n\nI would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns \n(ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and \nOregon. Thanks.\n -Bill\n\n--\nBill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net)\n',
'From: c60b-3jl@web-4f.berkeley.edu (James Wang)\nSubject: Re: What is "ROM accelerated video"?\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: web-4f.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.182206.12714@reed.edu> especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) writes:\n\n>In the MacUser article on the new centris and quadra machines mentioned\n>that the C650 and the Q800, and not the C610, had ROM accelerated video.\n>\n>What is it? I don\'t recall seeing it in Dale Adams post.\n\nof course it was in Dale\'s post, just not in the words that MacUser \nused. ROM accelerated video just means that some quickdraw commands\nhas been rewritten (inside the ROM) to take advantage of the 68040\naddressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster\nsince the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one.\n\n',
'From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash)\nSubject: Re: 17" Monitors\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nmikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang) writes:\n\n>In article <1qulqa$hp2@access.digex.net>, rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes:\n>|> The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen\n>|> blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it\n>|> meets all of the Swedish standards. It\'s also protected against EMI from\n>|> adjacent monitors. \n\n>Thanks for the info.\n\n>|> Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now.\n\n>How much more does the F550iW cost?\n\n>-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc.\n> mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786\n\nI think the difference is about 400 dollars, but I could be wrong. These\nthings change between press time and publication.\n\n',
"Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!\nFrom: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)\nOrganization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia\nNNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 17\n\nJACK ROGERS WATERS (jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:\n: In article <1ppejb$3h0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:\n: >\n: >Well, at least I damaged my own bike. If I had done it to someone else's\n: >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk. As it is I just feel stupid.\n: >\n: I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider\n: having the body work done right away. The same type of thing\n: may happen again. Wait till you get used to the bike, etc.\n\nWell, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them\nto the body shop. Is that long enough :-)\n--\n\n*******************************************************************************\n* Bill Ranck ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *\n*******************************************************************************\n",
'From: kme@node_17aa4.bnr.ca (Ken Michael Edwards)\nSubject: Re: Economic Stimulus or Pork?\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC\nLines: 73\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.201514.20021@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: \n|> \n|> In fact, no one has such a list. The Clinton package as presently proposed\n|> includes a variety of recommended spending areas and dollar amounts. It \n|> does not include a line-by-line list of every project that would be funded.\n|> (Congress may include such line items in the bill when it passes.\n|> Likewise, it may prohibit spending for specific projects as amendments to\n|> the bill. Such amendments, positive and negative, are often pointed to\n|> by those who propose a "line item veto" or "enhanced recision" power for\n|> the President.) \n|> \n|> Some of the $16 billion package is in the form of "block grants" to states\n|> and localities. \n\nThis is why I asked to be \'enlightened\'. You are making claims about what\n\'is\' or \'is not\' part of this program. But if the "block grants" go to states\nand cities, the mayors list is VERY relivent.\n \n|> \n|> I\'d suggest contacting your local officials, reading a newspaper with\n|> good coverage of Congress (Washington Post, NY Times), or if you\'re \n|> serious about paying attention to these issues, get copies of Congressional\n|> Quarterly at your library or have your representative put you on the \n|> mailing list for the Congressional Record. (It\'s free.) But be prepared\n|> to invest more time in the effort than it takes to watch the evening\n|> news or read your local paper.\n\nOkay scarasm does deserve sacrasm, but I already contact my local officals, my\ncongress rep., senators, Watch evening news, news programs, and C-SPAN.\n \n|> \n|> In addition to the cherry picking that went on with the Mayors\' wish list,\n|> Congressional Republicans selected wish list projects from a variety of\n|> Federal agencies, based apparently upon how silly the names of the projects\n|> sounded. I\'m not even sure if they bothered to correlate a potential\n|> expenditure of an agency in Clinton\'s bill with a potential project from\n|> the same agency, but it is clear that the effort was to make Clinton\'s\n|> potential expenditures appear to be linked to projects with absurd \n|> names. (Not to be taken seriously any more than equivalent tactics by\n|> Democrats would have been in the Reagan/Bush era.)\n\n\nThe fact is that Primetime (TM of ABC) has had numberous reposts on such waste\nprograms that already exist. Again, if we are truely intrested in eliminating\nthe DEBT, we must REMOVE the DEFICIT, and do away with ALL PORK !!! \n|> \n|> I realize that it is tempting to believe that government is in the hands\n|> of clowns who are dishonest at best. But such simplistic analysis does\n|> little to advance the cause of public education.\n\nThere have been several books written on gov. waste, network news programs \nfrom time to time devote segments to this, and there have been bills proposed\nthat significantly reduces expenditures without touching external programs by \nchanging the way \'congress does business\' (and make it more efficent).\n\nTrue, blame is easy, but also is spending someone else\'s money. \n\nClinton ran on a platform that he would \'...not raise taxes on the middle class\nto pay for these (his) programs\'. He has proposed a program that is not \nspecific, that counts on tax hikes to pay for.\n\n-- \n======================================================================\n\nKen M. Edwards, Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC\n(919) 481-8476 email: cnc23a@bnr.ca Ham: N4ZBB\n\nAll opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of\nmy employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.\n\n"You\'d better call my dad...My mom\'s pretty busy."\n - Chelsea Clinton \n',
"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)\nSubject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi?\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <15631@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA> tnelson@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Tim Nelson) writes:\n>The older NY taxis were made by the Checker Car Company, and I would love\n>to have one.\n>Or, is the Checker Car Company still in business?\n\n\tChecker Motors went out of business in 1982. It's hard to get\nold Checkers that are worth restoring, since almost every one was\na fleet vehicle that was driven into the ground. If you can get a \nbody in decent shape the mechanicals should all be available _somewhere_ - \nChecker used whatever parts were around. For instance, I had a Chevy\nstraight six and a GMC Truck radiator and a Ford rear in mine.\n\n>\n>The model that I am looking for is the Checker Marathon.\n\n\tActually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one.\n\n\tGood luck. I'm sorry I let mine go...\n\n\n",
'From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: Clinton\'s immunization program\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:\n>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C\n>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling\n>>>his so called stimulus package.\n>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free\n>>>immunizations for poor kids.\n>>\n>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to\n>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents\n>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.\n>\n> In case you haven\'t noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health\n> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give \n> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services\n> delivered to their doorsteps.\n\n I\'ve read about more than a few of these programs that ran into\nproblems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even\nwhen they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don\'t know, maybe\nthat sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side-\neffects, and bad reactions scares them.) \n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\nlove me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n',
'From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis)\nSubject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 3/3]\nLines: 1529\nReply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis)\nOrganization: National Technical Univ. of Athens\n\nArchive-name: graphics/resources-list/part3\nLast-modified: 1993/04/17\n\n\nComputer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 3/3 ]\n===================================================\nLast Change : 17 April 1993\n\n\n11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files\n======================================================\n\nDEMs (Digital Elevation Models)\n-------------------------------\n DEMs (Digital Elevation Models) as well as other cartographic data\n [huge] is available from spectrum.xerox.com [192.70.225.78], /pub/map.\n\n Contact:\n Lee Moore -- Webster Research Center, Xerox Corp. --\n Voice: +1 (716) 422 2496\n Arpa, Internet: Moore.Wbst128@Xerox.Com\n[ Check also on ncgia.ucsb.edu (128.111.254.105), /pub/dems -- nfotis ]\n\n Many of these files are also available on CD-ROM selled by USGS:\n "1:2,000,000 scale Digital Line Graph (DLG) Data". Contains datas\n for all 50 states. Price is about $28, call to or visit in offices\n in Menlo Park, in Reston, Virginia (800-USA-MAPS).\n\n The Data User Services Division of the Bureau of the Census also has\n data on CD-ROM (TSO standard format) that is derived from USGS\n 1:100,000 map data. Call (301) 763-4100 for more info or they have\n a BBS at (301) 763-1568.\n\n[ From Dr.Dobbs #198 March 1993: ]\n\n "The U.S. Defense Mapping Agency, in cooperation with their counterpart\nagencies in CANADA, the U.K., and Australia, have released the Digital Chart\nof the World (DCW). This chart consists of over 1.5 gigabytes of reasonable\nquality vector data distributed on four CD-ROMS. .... includes coastlines,\nrivers, roads, railrays, airports,cities, towns, spot elevations, and depths,\nand over 100,000 place names."\n\nIt is ISO9660 compatible and only $200.00 available from:\n\nU.S. Geological Survey\nP.O. Box 25286\nDenver Federal Center\nDenver, CO 80225\n\nDigital Distribution Services\nEnergy, Mines, and Resources Canada\n615 Booth Street\nOttawa, ON\nK1A 0E9 Canada\n\nDirector General of Military Survey\n(Survey 3)\nElmwood Avenue\nFeltham, Middlesex\nTW13 7AH United Kingdom\n\nDirector of Survey, Australian Army\nDepartment of Defense\nCampbell Park Offices (CP2-4-24)\nCampbell ACT 2601 Australia\n\n\nFractal Landscape Generators\n----------------------------\n\nPublic Domain:\n\n Many people have written fractal landscape generators. for example\n for the Mac some of these generators were written by\n pdbourke@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Paul D. Bourke).\n Many of the programs are available from the FTP sites and mail\n archive servers. Check with Archie.\n\nCommercial:\n\n Vista Pro 3.0 for the Amiga from Virtual Reality Labs -- list price\n is about $100. Their address is:\n\tVRL\n\t2341 Ganador court\n\tSan Luis Obispo,\n\tCA 93401\n\tTelephone or FAX (805) 545-8515\n\n Scenery Animator (also for the Amiga) is of the same caliber with Vista Pro 2.\n Check with:\n\tNatural Graphics\n\tP.O. Box 1963\n\tRaklin, CA 95677\n\tPhone (916) 624-1436\n\n Don\'t forget to ask about companion programs and data disks/tapes.\n\n Vista Pro 3 has been ported to the PCs.\n\n\nCIA World Map II\n----------------\n[ NOTE: this database is quite out of date, and not topologically structured.\n If you need a standard for world cartographic data, wait for the\n Digital Chart of the World. This 1:1M database has been produced from\n the Defense Mapping Agency\'s ONCs and will be available, together with\n searching and viewing software, on a number of CD-ROMs later this summer. ]\n\n Check into HANAUMA.STANFORD.EDU and UCSD.EDU (see ftp list above)\n The CIA database consists of coastlines, rivers and political boundaries\n in the form of line strokes. Also on hanauma.stanford.edu is a 720x360\n array of elevation data, containing one ieee floating point number for\n every half degree longitude and latitude.\n \n A program for decoding the database, mfil, can be found on the machine\n pi1.arc.umn.edu (137.66.130.11).\n There\'s another program, which reads a compressed CIA Data Bank file and\n builds a PHIGS hierachical structure. It uses a PHIGS extension known as\n polyline sets for performance, but you can use regular polylines. Ask\n Joe Stewart <joes@lpi.liant.com>.\n The raw data at Stanford require the vplot package to be able to view it.\n (was posted in comp.sources.unix). To be more exact, you\'ll have to\n compile just the libvplot routines, not the whole package.\n\nNCAR data\n---------\n NCAR (National Center for Atmospheric Research) has many types of\n terrain data, ranging from elevation datasets at\n various resolutions, to information about soil types, vegetation, etc.\n This data is not free -- they charge from $40 to $90 or more, depending\n on the data volume and media (exabyte tape, 3480 cartridge, 9-track tape,\n IBM PC floppy, and FTP transfer are all available). Their data archive\n is mostly research oriented, not hobbyist oriented. For more information,\n email to ilana@ncar.ucar.edu.\n\nUNC data tapes with voxel data\n--------------\n There are 2 "public domain" tapes with data for the comparison and\n testing of various volume rendering algorithms (mainly MRI and CT\n scans). These tapes are distributed by the SoftLab of UNC @ Chapel Hill.\n (softlab@cs.unc.edu)\n\n The data sets (volume I and II) are also available via anonymous FTP from\n omicron.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159] in pub/softlab/CHVRTD\n\nNASA\n----\n Many US agencies such as NASA publish CD-ROMs with many altimetry data\n from various space missions, eg. Viking for Mars, Magellan for Venus,\n etc. Especially for NASA, I would suggest to call the following\n address for more info:\n\n National Space Science Date Center\n Goddard Space Flight Center\n Greenbelt, Maryland 20771\n Telephone: (301) 286-6695\n Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov\n\n The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online.\n Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.10.4) and log\n in as \'NODIS\' (no password).\n\n You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits,\n no parity, one stop). At the "Enter Number:" prompt, enter MD and\n carriage return. When the system responds "Call Complete," enter a few\n more carriage returns to get the "Username:" and log in as \'NODIS\' (no\n password).\n\n NSSDCA is also an anonymous FTP site, but no comprehensive list of\n what\'s there is available at present.\n\nEarth Sciences Data\n-------------------\n\n There\'s a listing of anonymous FTP sites for earth science data, including\n imagery. This listing is called "Earth Sciences Resources on Internet",\n and you can get it via anonymous FTP from csn.org [128.138.213.21]\n in the directory COGS under the name "internet.resources.earth.sci"\n\n Some sites include:\n aurelie.soest.hawaii.edu [128.171.151.121]: pub/avhrr/images - AVHRR images\n ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM - images from\n Magellan and Viking missions etc.\n pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the whole\n archive (the index is about 200K by itself). There\'s also an\n e-mail server for the people without Internet access: send a letter\n to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the\n subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like:\n\n send SPACE Index\n send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91\n\n (Capitalization is important! Only text files are handled by the\n email server at present)\n\n vab02.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.23.47]: pub/gifs/misc/landsat -\n\tLandsat photos in GIF and JPEG format\n[ It was shut down - nfotis; anyone has a copy of this archive?? ]\n\nOthers\n------\n Daily values of river discharge, streamflow, and daily weather data is\n available from EarthInfo, 5541 Central Ave., Boulder CO 80301. These\n disks are expensive, around $500, but there are quantity discounts.\n (303) 938-1788.\n\n Check vmd.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.98], the wx directory carries\n data regarding surface analysis, weather radar, and sat view pics in\n GIF format (updated hourly)\n\n pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217] is the Space and Planetary Image Facility\n (located on the University of New Mexico campus) FTP server. It provides\n Anonymous FTP access to >150 CD-ROMS with data/images.\n\n A disk with earthquake data, topography, gravity, geopolitical info\n is available from NGDC (National Geophysical Data Center), 325 Broadway,\n Boulder, CO 80303. (303) 497-6958.\n\n EOSAT (at least in the US) now sells Landsat MSS data older than two years\n old for $200 per scene, and they have been talking about a similar deal\n for Landsat TM data. The MSS data are 4 bands, 80 meter resolution.\n\n Check out anonymous FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu in\n UNIX/PolyView/alpha-shape for a tool that creates convex hulls\n alpha-shapes (a generalization of the convex hull) from 3D point sets.\n\n The GRIPS II (Gov. Raster Image Processing Software) CD-ROM\n is available from CD-ROM Inc. at 1-800-821-5245 for $49.\n Code for viewing ADRG (Arc Digitised Raster Graphics) files is\n available on the GRIPS II CD-ROM. The U.S. Army Engineer \n Topographic Labs (Juan Perez) code is also available via FTP\n ( adrg.zip archive in spectrum.xerox.com )\n\nNRCC range data\n---------------\n Rioux M., Cournoyer L. "The NRCC Three-Dimensional Image Data Files",\n Tech. Report, CNRC 29077, National Research Council Canada,\n Ottawa, Canada, 1988\n [ From what I understand, these data are from a laser range finder,\n and you can a copy for research purposes ]\n\n==========================================================================\n\n12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data\n===================================\n\na. Cyberware Labs, Monterey, CA, manufactures a 3D color laser digitizer\n which can be used to model parts of, or a complete, human body.\n They run a service bureau also, so they can digitize models for you.\n\n Address:\n Cyberware Labs, Inc\n 8 Harris Ct, Suite 3D\n Monterey, CA 93940\n Phone: (408)373-1441, Fax: (408)373-3582\n\nb. Polhemus makes a 6D input device (actually a couple of models)\n that senses position (3D) and *orientation* (+3D) based on electromagnetic\n field interference. This equipment is also incorporated in the\n VPL Dataglove.\n This hardware is also called ISOTRACK, from Keiser Aerospace.\n\nAscension Technology makes a similar 3D input device.\nThere is a company, Applied Sciences(?), that makes a 3D input\ndevice (position only) based on speed of sound triangulation.\n\nc. A company that specializes in digitizing is Viewpoint. You can ask\n for Viewpoint\'s _free_ 100 page catalog full of ready to \n ship datasets from categories such as cars, anatomy, aircraft,sports,\n boats, trains, animals and others. Though these objects are\n quite expensive, the cataloge is nevertheless of interest for it\n has pictures of all the available objects in wireframe , polygon mesh.\n\n Contact:\n\n Viewpoint,\n 870 West Center,\n Orem, Utah 84057\n ph# 801-224-2222\n fax# 801-224-2272\n 1-800-DATASET\n\n------\n\n Some addresses for companies that make digitizers:\n\n Ascension Technology\n Bird, Flock of Birds, Big Bird: 6d trackers\n P.O. Box 527,\n Burlington, VT 05402\n Phone: (802) 655-7879, Fax: (802) 655-5904\n\n Polhemus Incorporated\n Digitizer: 6d trackers\n P.O. Box 560, Hercules Dr.\n Colchester, Vt. 05446\n Tel: (802) 655-3159\n\n Logitech Inc.\n Red Baron, ultrasonic 6D mouse\n 6506 Kaiser Dr.\n Freemont, CA 94555\n Tel: (415) 795-8500w\n\n Shooting Star Technology\n Mechanical Headtracker\n 1921 Holdom Ave.\n Burnaby, B.C. Canada V5B 3W4\n Tel: (604) 298-8574\n Fax: (604) 298-8580\n\n Spaceball Technologies, Inc.\n Spaceball: 6d stationary input device\n 600 Suffolk Street\n Lowell, MA, 01854\n Tel: (508) 970-0330 \n Fax: (508) 970-0199\n Tel in Mountain View: (415) 966-8123 \n\n Transfinite Systems \n Gold Brick: PowerGlove for Macintosh\n P.O. Box N\n MIT Branch Post Office\n Cambridge, MA 02139-0903\n Tel: (617) 969-9570\n email: D2002@AppleLink.Apple.com\n\n VPL Research, Inc.\n EyePhone: head-mounted display\n DataGlove: glove/hand input device\n VPL Research Inc.\n 950 Tower Lane\n 14th Floor\n Foster City, CA 94404\n Tel: (415) 312-0200\n Fax: (415) 312-9356\n\n SimGraphics Engineering\n Flying Mouse: 6d input device\n 1137 Huntington Rd. Suite A-1\n South Pasadena, CA 91030-4563\n (213) 255-0900\n\n========================================================================\n\n13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles\n=========================================\n\n First, check in the FTP places that are mentioned in the FAQ or in the FTP\nlist above.\n\n24-bit scanning:\n----------------\n Get a good 24-bit scanner, like Epson\'s. Suggested is an SCSI port for\n speed. Eric Haines had a suggestion in RT News, Volume 4, #3 :\n scan textures for wallpapers and floor coverings, etc. from doll\n house supplies.\n So you have a rather cheap way to scan patterns that don\'t have\n scaling troubles associated with real materials and scanning area.\n\nBooks with textures:\n--------------------\n Find some houses/books/magazines that carry photographic material.\n Educorp, 1-619-536-9999, sells CD-ROMS with various imagery - also\n a wide variety of stock art is available.\n Stock art from big-name stock art houses, such as Comstock,\n UNIPHOTO, and Metro Image Base, is available.\n\n In Italy, there\'s a company called Belvedere that makes such books\n for the purpose of clipping their pages for inclusion in your\n graphics work. Their address is:\n\tEdition Belvedere Co. Ltd.,\n\t00196 Rome Italy,\n\tPiazzale Flaminio, 19\n\tTel. (06) 360-44-88, Fax (06) 360-29-60\n\nTexture Libraries:\n------------------\na. Mannikin Sceptre Graphics announced TexTiles, a set of 256x256 24-bit\n textures. Initial shipments in 24-bit IFF (for Amigas), soon in 24-bit\n TIFF format. Algorithmically built for tiled surfaces. SRP is $40 / volume\n (each volume = 40 images @ 10 disks). Demo disks for $5 are available.\n\n Contact:\n Mannikin Sceptre Graphics\n 1600 Indiana Ave.\n Winter Park, FL 32789\n Phone: (407) 384-9484\n FAX: (407) 647-7242\n\nb. ESSENCE is a library of 65 (sixty-five) new algoritmic textures for Imagine\n by Impulse, Inc. These textures are FULLY compatible with the floating point\n versions of Imagine 2.0, Imagine 1.1, and even Turbo Silver.\n Written by Steve Worley.\n\n For more info contact:\n Essence Info\n Apex Software Publishing\n 405 El Camino Real Suite 121\n Menlo Park CA 94025 USA\n\n[ What about Texture City ?? ]\n\n==========================================================================\n\n14. Introduction to rendering algorithms\n========================================\n\na. Ray-Tracing:\n---------------\n\n I assume you have a general understanding of Computer Graphics. No? Then read\n some of the books that the FAQ contains. For Ray-Tracing, I would\n suggest:\n An Introduction to Ray Tracing, Andrew Glassner (ed.), Academic Press\n 1989, ISBN 0-12-286160-4\n Note that I have not read the book, but I feel that you can\'t be wrong\n using his book. An errata list was posted in comp.graphics by Eric Haines\n (erich@eye.com)\n\nThere\'s a more concise reference also:\n\n Roman Kuchkuda , UNC @ Chapel Hill: "An Introduction to Ray Tracing", in\n "Theoretical Foundations for Computer Graphics and CAD", ed. R.A.E.Earnshaw,\n NATO AS, Vol. F-40., pp. 1039-1060. Printed by Springer-Verlag, 1988.\n\nIt contains code for a small, but fundamentally complete ray-tracer.\n\nb. Z-buffer (depth-buffer)\n--------------------------\n\nA good reference is:\n\n _Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics_, David F. Rogers,\n McGraw-Hill, New York, 1985, pages 265-272 and 280-284.\n\nc. Others:\n----------\n???\n[ More info is needed -- nfotis ]\n\n========================================================================\n\n15. Where can I find the geometric data for the:\n================================================\n\na. Teapot ?\n-----------\n\n"Displays on Display" column of IEEE CG&A Jan \'87 has the whole\nstory about origin of the Martin Newell\'s teapot. The article also has\nthe bezier patch model and a Pascal program to display the wireframe\nmodel of the teapot.\n\nIEEE CG&A Sep \'87 in Jim Blinn\'s column "Jim Blinn\'s Corner" describes\nan another way to model the teapot; Bezier curves with rotations for\nexample are used.\n\nThe OFF and SPD packages have these objects, so you\'re advised to get\nthem to avoid typing the data yourself. The OFF data is triangles at\na specific resolution (around 8x8[x4 triangles] meshing per patch).\nThe SPD package provides the spline patch descriptions and performs a\ntessellation at any specified resolution.\n\nb. Space Shuttle ?\n------------------\n\nTolis Lerios <tolis@nova.stanford.edu> has built a list of Space Shuttle\ndatafiles. Here\'s a summary (From his sci.space list):\n\nmodel1:\nA modified version of the newsgroup model (model2)\n\n406 vertices (296 useful, i.e. referred to in the polygon descriptions.)\n389 polygons (233 3-vertex, 146 4-vertex, 7 5-vertex, 3 6-vertex).\nPayload doors non-existent.\nUnits: unknown.\n\nSimon Marshall (S.Marshall@sequent.cc.hull.ac.uk) has a copy. He\nsaid there is no proprietary information associated with it.\n\nmodel2:\nThe newsgroup model, in OFF format. You can find it in\n\ngondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au , file pub/off/objects/shuttle.geo\nhanauma.stanford.edu , /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics/objects/shuttle.data\n\nmodel3:\nThe triangles\' model.\n\nThis model is stored in several files, each defining portions of the model.\n\nGreg Henderson (henders@infonode.ingr.com) has a copy. He did\nnot mention any restriction on the model\'s distribution.\n\nmodel4:\nThe NASA model.\n\nThe file starts off with a header line containing three real numbers,\ndefining the offsets used by Lockheed in their simulations:\n\n<x offset> <y offset> <z offset>\n\nFrom then on, the file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions\n\n3473 vertices.\n2748 polygons (407 3-vertex, 2268 4-vertex, 33 5-vertex, 14 6-vertex,\n 10 7-vertex, 8 8-vertex, 8 12-vertex, 2 13-vertex, 2 15-vertex,\n 17 16-vertex, 2 17-vertex, 2 18-vertex, 3 19-vertex, 8 24-vertex).\nPayload doors closed.\nUnits: inches.\n\nJon Berndt (jon@l14h11.jsc.nasa.gov) seems to be responsible for the model\nProprietary info: unknown\n\nmodel5:\nThe old shuttle model.\n\nThe file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions.\n\n104 vertices.\n452 polygons (11 3-vertex, 41 4-vertex).\nPayload doors open.\nUnits: meters.\n\nWe have been using this model at STAR Labs, Stanford University, for\nsome years now. Contact me (tolis@nova.stanford.edu) or my supervisor\nScott Williams (scott@star5.stanford.edu) if you want a copy.\n\n========================================================================\n\n16. Image annotation software\n=============================\n\na. Touchup runs in Sunview and is pretty good. It reads in\n rasterfiles, but even if your image isn\'t normally stored\n in rasterfile format you could use screendump to make it a\n rasterfile.\n\nb. Idraw (part of Stanford\'s InterViews distribution) can handle some\n image formats in addition to being a MacDraw like tool. I\'m not\n sure exactly what they are.\n You can ftp the idraw\'s binary from interviews.stanford.edu.\n\nc. Tgif is another MacDraw like tool that can handle X11 bitmap (xbm)\n and X11 pixmap (xpm) formats. If the image you have is in formats\n other than xbm or xpm, you can get the pbmplus toolkit to convert\n things like gif or even some Macintosh formats to xpm.\n Tgif\'s sources are available in the pub directory on cs.ucla.edu\n (Version 2.12 of tgif at patchlevel 7 plus patch8 and patch9)\n\nd. Use the editimage facility of KHOROS (see below).\n This is just one utility in the overall system- you can essentially do all\n your image processing and macdraw-type graphics using this package.\n\ne. You might be able to get by with PBMPlus. pbmtext gives you text output\n bitmaps which can be overlaid on top of your image.\n\nf. \'ice\' requires Sun hardware running OpenWindows 3.It\'s a PostScript-based\n graphical editor,and it\'s available for anonymous ftp from Internet host\n eo.soest.hawaii.edu (128.171.151.12). Requires Sun C++ 2.0 and\n two other locally developed packages, the LXT library (an Xlib-based\n toolkit) and a small C++ class library. All files (pub/ice.tar.Z,\n pub/lxt.tar.Z and pub/ldgoc++.tar.Z) are available in compressed\n tar format. pub/ice.tar.Z contains a README that gives installation\n instructions, as well as an extensive man page (ice.1).\n A statically-linked compressed executable pub/ice-sun4.Z for\n SPARC systems is also available for ftp.\n\n All software is the property of Columbia University and may not\n be redistributed without permission.\n\n ice means Image Composition Environment and it\'s an imaging tool that\n allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of\n PostScript annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging\n routines and NeWS PostScript rasterizing.\n\ng. Use ImageMagick to annotate an image from your X server. Pick the \n position of your text with the cursor and choose your font and pen \n color from a pull-down menu. ImageMagick can read and write many\n of the more popular image formats. ImageMagick is available as\n export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z or at your nearest\n X11 archive.\n\n========================================================================\n\n17. Scientific visualization stuff\n==================================\n\nX Data Slice (xds)\n-------------------\n Bundled with the X11 distribution from MIT,\n in the contrib directory. Available at ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50]\n (either as a source or binaries for various platforms).\n\nNational Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) Tool Suite\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n\nPlatforms: Unix Workstations (DEC, IBM, SGI, Sun)\n Apple MacIntosh\n Cray supercomputers\n\nAvailability: Now available. Source code in the public domain.\n FTP from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.\n\nContact: National Center for Supercomputing Applications\n Computing Applications Building\n 605 E. Springfield Ave.\n Champaign, IL 61820\n\nCost: Free (zero dollars).\n\nThe suite includes tools for 2D image and 3D scene analysis and visualization.\nThe code is actively maintained and updated.\n\nSpyglass\n--------\n They sell commercial versions of the NCSA tools. Examples are:\n\n\tSpyglass Dicer (3D volumetric data analysis package)\n\t\tPlatform: Mac\n\n\tSpyglass Transform (2D data analysis package)\n\t\tPlatforms: Mac, SGI, Sun, DEC, HP, IBM\n\n Contact:\n Spyglass, Inc.\n P.O. Box 6388\n Champaign, IL 61826\n (217) 355-6000\n\nKHOROS 1.0 Patch 5\n------------------\n Available via anonymous ftp at pprg.eece.unm.edu (129.24.24.10).\n cd to /pub/khoros to see what is available. It is HUGE (> 100 MB), but good.\n Needs Unix and X11R4. Freely copied (NOT PD), complete with sources\n and docs. Very extensive and at its heart is visual programming.\n Khoros components include a visual programming language, code\n generators for extending the visual language and adding new application\n packages to the system, an interactive user interface editor, an\n interactive image display package, an extensive library of image and\n signal processing routines, and 2D/3D plotting packages.\n\n See comp.soft-sys.khoros on Usenet and the relative FAQ for more info....\n\n Contact:\n\n The Khoros Group\n Room 110 EECE Dept.\n University of New Mexico\n Albuquerque, NM 87131\n\n Email: khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu\n\n\nMacPhase\n--------\n Analysis & Visualization Application for the Macintosh.\n Operates on 1D and 2D data arrays. Import/Export several different file\n formats. Several different plotting options such as gray scale,\n color raster, 3D Wire frame, 3D surface, contour, vector, line, and\n combinations. FFTs, filtering, and other math functions, color look up\n editor, array calculator, etc. Shareware, available via anonymous ftp from\n sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the info-mac/app directory.\n For other information contact Doug Norton (e-mail: 74017.461@@compuserve.com)\n\n\nIRIS Explorer\n-------------\n It\'s an application creation system developed by Silicon\n Graphics that provides visualisation and analysis functionality for\n computational scientists, engineers and other scientists. The Explorer\n GUI allows users to build custom applications without having to write\n any, or a minimal amount of, traditonal code. Also, existing code can\n be easily integrated into the Explorer environment. Explorer currently\n is available now on SGI and Cray machines, but will become available on\n other platforms in time. [ Bundled with every new SGI machine, as far as\n I know]\n\n See comp.graphics.explorer or comp.sys.sgi for discussion of the package.\n\n There are also two FTP servers for related stuff, modules etc.:\n\n ftp.epcc.ed.ac.uk [129.215.56.29]\n swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] - mirror of the UK site\n\napE\n---\n Back in the \'old good days\', you could get apE for nearly free.\n Now has gone commercial and the following vendor supplies it:\n\n TaraVisual Corporation\n 929 Harrison Avenue\n Columbus, Ohio 43215\n Tel: 1-800-458-8731 and (614) 291-2912\n Fax: (614) 291-2867\n\n Cost:\n $895 (plus tax); runtime version with a site-license for a single user\n (at a time), no limit on the number of machines in a cluster.\n $895 includes support/maintenance and upgrades.\n Source code more. Additional user licenses $360.\n\n The name of the package has become apE III (TM).\n Khoros is very similar to apE on philosophy, as are AVS and Explorer.\n\nAVS\n---\nSee also:\n comp.graphics.avs\n\nPlatforms: CONVEX, CRAY, DEC, Evans & Sutherland, HP, IBM, Kubota,\nSet Technologies, SGI, Stardent, SUN, Wavetracer\nAvailability: AVS4 available on all the above:\n For all UNIX workstations.\n\nContact:\n Advanced Visual Systems Inc.\n 300 Fifth Ave.\n Waltham, MA 02154\n\n (617)-890-4300 Telephone\n (617)-890-8287 Fax\n avs@avs.com Email\n\n Advanced Visual Systems Inc. for: CRAY, HP, IBM, SGI, Stardent, SUN\n CONVEX for CONVEX\n Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or CRAY for CRAY\n DEC for DEC\n Evans & Sutherland for Evans & Sutherland\n Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or IBM for IBM\n Kubota Pacific Inc. for Kubota\n Set Technologies for Set Technologies\n Wavetracer for Wavetracer\n\n FTP Site: for modules, data sets, other info:\n\tavs.ncsc.org (128.109.178.23)\n\nWIT\n---\n In a nutshell it\'s a package of the same genre as AVS,Explorer,etc.\n It seems more a image processing system than a generic SciVi system (IMHO)\n Major elements are:\n\n - a visual programming language, which automatically exploits the inherent\n parallelism\n - a code generator which converts the graph to a standalone program\n\n Iconified libraries present a rich set of point, filter, io, transform,\n morphological, segmentation, and measurement operations.\n A flow library allows graphs to employ broadcast, merge,\n synchronization, conditional, and sequencing control strategies.\n\n WIT delivers an object-oriented, distributed, visual programming\n environment which allows users to rapidly design solutions to their\n imaging problems. Users can consolidate both software and hardware\n developments within a complete CAD-like workspace by adding their\n own operators (C functions), objects (data structures), and servers\n (specialized hardware). WIT runs on Sun, HP9000/7xx, SGI and supports\n Datacube MV-20/200 hardware allowing you to run your graphs in real-time.\n\n For a free WIT demo disk, call, FAX, or e-mail (poon@ee.ubc.ca)\n us stating your complete name, address, voice, FAX, e-mail info.\n and desired platform.\n\n Pricing: WIT for Sparc, one yr. free upgrades, 30 days\n technical support....................$5000 US\n\n Academic institutions: discounts available\n\n\n Contact:\n Logical Vision Ltd.\n Suite 108-3700 Gilmore Way\n Burnaby, B.C., CANADA\n V5G 4M1\n Tel: 604-435-2587\n Fax: 604-435-8840\n\n Terry Arden <poon@ee.ubc.ca>\n\nVIS-5D\n------\n A system for visually exploring the output of 5-D gridded data sets\n such as those made by weather models. Platforms:\n\n SGI IRIS with VGX, GTX, TG, or G graphics,\n SGI Crimson or Indigo (R4000, Elan graphics suggested), IRIX 4.0.x\n IBM RS/6000 with GL graphics, AIX version 3 or later;\n Stardent GS-1000 and GS-2000 (with TrueColor display)\n\n In any case, 32 (or more) MB of RAM are suggested.\n\n You can get it freely (thanks to NASA support) via anonymous ftp:\n\n ftp iris.ssec.wisc.edu (or ftp 144.92.108.63), then\n\n ftp> cd pub/vis5d\n ftp> ascii\n ftp> get README\n ftp> bye\n\n NOTE: You can find the package also on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the\n graphics/graphics/packages directory.\n\n Read section 2 of the README file for full instructions\n on how to get and install VIS-5D.\n\n Contact:\n Bill Hibbard (whibbard@vms.macc.wisc.edu)\n Brian Paul (bpaul@vms.macc.wisc.edu)\n\nDATAexplorer (IBM)\n------------------\n Platforms : IBM Risc System 6000, IBM POWER Visualization Server\n (SIMD mesh 32 i860s, 40 MHz)\n\n Working on (announced) : SGI, HP, Sun\n\n Contact:\n Your local IBM Rep. For a trial package ask your rep to contact :\n\n David Kilgore\n Data Explorer Product Marketing\n YKTVMH(KILCORE), (708) 981-4510\n\nWavefront\n---------\n Data Visualizer, Personal Visualizer, Advanced Visualizer.\n Platforms: SGI, SUN, IBM RS6000, HP, DEC\n\n Availability:\n Available on all the above platforms from Wavefront\n Technologies. Educational programs and site licenses are\n available.\n\n Contacts:\n Mike Wilson (mike@wti.com)\n\n Wavefront Technologies, Inc.\n 530 East Montecito Street\n Santa Barbara, CA 93103\n 805-962-8117\n FAX: 805-963-0410\n\n Wavefront Europe\n Guldenspoorstraat 21-23\n B-9000 Gent, Belgium\n 32-91-25-45-55\n FAX: 32-91-23-44-56\n\n Wavefront Technologies Japan\n 17F Shinjuku-sumitomo Bldg\n 2-6-1 Nishi-shinjuku, Shunjuku-Ku\n Tokyo 168 Japan\n 81-3-3342-7330\n FAX 81-3-3342-7353\n\n\nPLOT3D and FAST from NASA Ames\n------------------------------\n These packages are distributed from COSMIC at least\n (for FAST ask Pat Elson <pelson@nas.nasa.gov> for\n distribution information). In general, these codes are for US\n citizens only :-(\n\nXGRAPH\n------\n On the contrib tape of X11R5. Its specialty is display of up\n to 64 data sets (2D).\n\nNCAR\n----\n National Center for Atmospheric Research. One of the original graphics\n packages. Runs on Sun, RS6000, SGI, VAX, Cray Y-MP, DecStations, and more.\n\n Contact:\n\tGraphics Information\n\tNCAR Scientific Computing Division\n\tP.O. Box 3000\n\tBoulder, CO 80307-3000\n\t(303)-497-1201\n\tscdinfo@ncar.ucar.edu\n\n Cost:\n\t.edu\n\t$750 Unlimited users\n\n\t.gov\n\t$750 1 user\n\t$1500 5 users\n\t$3000 25 users\n\n\t.com users multiply .gov * 2.0\n\nIDL\n---\n An environment for scientific computing and visualization.\n Based on an array oriented language, IDL includes 2D and 3D\n graphics, matrix manupulation, signal and image processing,\n basic statistics, gridding, mapping, and a widget based system\n for building GUI for IDL applications (Open Look, Motif, or\n MS-Windows).\n\n Environments: DEC (VMS and Ultrix), HP, IBM RS6000, SGI, Sun,\n Microsoft Windows. (Mac version in progress)\n Cost: $1500 to $3750, Educational and quantity discounts\n available.\n See also: comp.lang.idl-pvwave (the IDL-PVWAVE bundle)\n Contact: Research Systems Inc.\n 777 29th Street, Suite 302\n Boulder, CO 80303\n Phone: 303-786-9900\n FAX: 303-786-9909\n E-mail: info@rsinc.com\n Demo available via FTP. Call or E-mail for details.\n\nIDL/SIPS\n--------\n "A lot of people are using IDL with a package called SIPS. This was\n developed at the University of Colorado (Boulder) by some people working\n for Alex Goetz. You might try contacting them if you already have IDL\n or would be willing to buy it. It\'s a few thousand dollars (American) I\n expect for IDL and the other should be free. Those are the general\n purpose packages I\'ve heard of, besides what TerraMar has.\n SIPS _was_ written for AVIRIS imagery. I\'m not sure how general purpose\n it is. You would have to contact Goetz or one of his people and ask. I\n have another piece of software (PCW) that does PC and Walsh\n transformations with pseudocoloring and clustering and limited image\n modification (you can compute an image using selected components). I\'ve\n used it on 70 megabyte AVIRIS images without problems, but for the best\n speed you need an external DSP card. It will work without it, but large\n images take quite a while (50-70 times as long) to process. That\'s a\n freebie if you want it"\n\n "My favorite is IDL (Interactive Data Language) from Research Systems,\n Inc. IDL is in my opinion, much better and infinitely easier. Its\n programming language is very strong and easy -- very Pascal-like. It\n handles the number-crunching very well, also. Personally, I like doing\n the number-crunching with IDL on the VAX (or Mathematica, Igor, or even\n Excel on the Mac if it\'s not too hairy), then bringing it over to NIH\n Image for the imaging part. I have yet to encounter any situation which\n that combination couldn\'t handle, and the speed and ease of use\n (compared to IRAF) was incredible. By the way, it\'s mostly astronomical\n image processing which I\'ve been doing. This means image enhancement,\n cleaning up bad lines/pixels, and some other traditional image\n processing routines. Then, for example, taking a graph of intensity\n versus position along a line I choose with the mouse, then doing a curve\n fit to that line (which I might do like in KaleidaGraph.) "\n\n[ For IDL call Research Systems , for PV-WAVE call Precision Visuals and\n for SIPS call University of Colorado @ Boulder . From what I can\n understand, you can get packaged programs from Research Systems, though\n -- nfotis ]\n\nVisual3\n-------\n contact Robert Haimes, MIT\n\nFieldView\n---------\n An interactive program designed to assist an engineer in\n investigating fluid dynamics data sets. \n\n Platforms: SGI, IBM, HP, SUN, X-terminals\n\n Availability: Currently available on all of the above\n platforms. Educational programs and volume \n discounts are available.\n\n Contact:\n\n Intelligent Light \n P.O. Box 65\n Fair Lawn, NJ 07410\n (201)794-7550\n \n Steve Kramer (kramer@ilight.com)\n\n\nSciAn\n------\n SciAn is primarily intended to do 3-D visualizations of data in an \n interactive environment with the ability to generate animations using\n frame-accurate video recording devices. A user manual, on-line help, and\n technical notes will help you use the program.\n\n Cost : 0 (Free), source code provided via ftp.\n Platforms : SGI 4D machines and IBM RS/6000 with the GL card + Z-buffer\n\n Where to find it:\n ftp.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.128.34] : /pub/SciAn\n\tA mirror is monu1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.101] : /pub/SciAn\n\nSCRY\n----\n[ From the README : ]\n\n Scry is a distributed image handling system that pro-\n vides image transport and compression on local and wide area\n networks, image viewing on workstations, recording on video\n equipment, and storage on disk. The system can be distri-\n buted among workstations, between supercomputers and works-\n tations, and between supercomputers, workstations and video\n animation controllers. The system is most commonly used to\n produce video based movie displays of images resulting from\n visualization of time dependent data, complex 3D data sets,\n and image processing operations. Both the clients and\n servers run on a variety of systems that provide UNIX-like C\n run-time environments, and 4BSD sockets.\n \n The source is available for anonymous ftp:\n \n csam.lbl.gov [128.3.254.6] : pub/scry.tar.Z\n \n Contact:\n \n Bill Johnston, (wejohnston@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!johnston)\n\n or\n\n David Robertson (dwrobertson@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!davidr)\n \n Imaging Technologies Group\n MS 50B/2239\n Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory\n 1 Cyclotron Road\n Berkeley, CA 94720\n\n\nSVLIB / FVS\n-----------\n SVLIB is an X-Windows widget set based on the OSF (Open Software \n Foundation) Motif widget set. SVLIB widgets are macro-widgets \n comprising lower level Motif widgets such as buttons, scrollbars, \n menus, and drawing areas. It is designed to address the reusability \n of 2D visualization routines and each widget in the library is an \n encapsulation of a specific visualization technique such as colormap \n manipulation, image display, and contour plotting. It is targetted\n to run on UNIX workstations supporting OSF/Motif. Currently, only \n color monitors are supported. Since SVLIB is a collection of widgets \n developed in the same spirit as the OSF/Motif user interface widget \n set, it integrates seamlessly with the Motif widgets. Programmers \n using SVLIB widgets see the same interface and design as other \n Motif widgets.\n\n FVS is a visualization software for Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) \n simulations. FVS is designed to accept data generated from these\n simulations and apply various visualization techniques to present these\n data graphically. \n FVS accepts three-dimensional multi-block data recorded in NCSA HDF format.\n\n iti.gov.sg [192.122.132.130] : /pub/svlib (Scientific Visualization)\n /pu/fvs; These directories contain demo binaries for Sun4/SGI\n\n Cost : US$200 for academic and US$300 for non-academic institutions.\n (For each of the above items). You\'re getting the source for the licence.\n\n Contact\n -------\n Miss Quek Lee Hian\n Member of Technical Staff\n Information Technology Institute\n National Computer Board\n NCB Building\n 71, Sicence Park Drive\n Singapore 0511\n Republic of Singapore\n Tel : (65)7720435\n Fax : (65)7795966\n Email : leehian@iti.gov.sg\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------\nGVLware Distribution:\n Bob - An interactive volume renderer for the SGI\n Raz - A disk based movie player for the SGI\n Icol - Motif color editor\n---------------------------------------------------------\n\nThe Army High Performance Computing Research Center (AHPCRC) has been\ndeveloping a set of tools to work with large time dependent 2D and 3D\ndata sets. In the Graphics and Visualization Lab (GVL) we are using\nthese tools along side standard packages, such as SGI Explorer and the\nUtah Raster Toolkit, to render 3D volumes and create digital movies.\nA couple of the more general purpose programs have been bundled into a\npackage called "GVLware".\n\nGVLware, currently consisting of Bob, Raz and Icol, is now available\nvia ftp. The most interesting program is probably Bob, an interactive\nvolume renderer for the SGI. Raz streams raster images from disk to\nan SGI screen, enabling movies larger than memory to be played. Icol\nis a color map editor that works with Bob and Raz. Source and\npre-built binaries for IRIX 4.0.5 are included.\n\nTo acquire GVLware, anonymous ftp to:\n machine - ftp.arc.umn.edu\n file - /pub/gvl.tar.Z\n\nTo use GVLware:\n mkdir gvl ; cd gvl\n zcat gvl.tar.Z | tar xvf -\n more README\n\nSome Bob features:\n Motif interface, SGI GL rendering\n Renders 64 cubed data set in 0.1 to 1.0 seconds on a VGX\n Alpha Compositing and Maximum Value rendering, in perspective\n (only Maximum Value rendering on Personal Iris)\n Data must be a "Brick of Bytes", on a regularly spaced grid\n Animation, subvolumes, subsampling, stereo\n\nSome Raz features:\n Motif interface, SGI GL rendering\n Loads files to a raw disk partition, then streams to screen\n (requires an empty disk partition to be set aside)\n Script interface available for movie sequences\n Can stream from memory, like NCSA XImage\n \nSome Icol features:\n Motif interface\n Easy to create interpolated color maps between key points\n RGB, HSV and YUV color spaces, multiple file formats\n Communicates changes automatically to Bob and Raz\n Has been tested on SGI, Sun, DEC and Cray systems\n\nBTW: Bob == Brick of Bytes\n Icol == Interpolated Color\n Raz == ? (just a name)\n\nPlease send any comments to\n gvlware@ahpcrc.umn.edu\n\nThis software collection is supported by the Army Research Office\ncontract number DAALO3-89-C-0038 with the University of Minnesota Army\nHigh Performance Computing Research Center.\n\n\nIAP\n---\n Imaging Applications Platform is a commercial package for medical and\n scientific visualization. It does volume rendering, binary surface\n rendering, multiplanar reformating, image manipulation, cine sequencing,\n intermixes geometry and text with images and provides measurement and\n coordinate transform abilities.\n\n It can provide hardcopy on most medical film printers, image database\n functionality and interconnection to most medical (CT/MRI/etc) scanners.\n\n It is client/server based and provides an object oriented interface. It\n runs on most high performance workstations and takes full advantage of\n parallelism where it is available. It is robust, efficient and\n will be submitted for FDA approval for use in medical applications.\n\n Cost: $20K for OEM developer, $10K for educational developer\n and run times starting at $8900 and going down based on quantity.\n\n The developer packages include two days training for two people in Toronto.\n\n Available from:\n\n ISG Technologies\n 6509 Airport Road\n Mississauga, Ontario,\n Canada, L4V-1S7\n\n (416) 672-2100\n e-mail: Rod Gilchrist <rod@isgtec.com>\n\n========================================================================\n\n18. Molecular visualization stuff\n=================================\n\n[ Based on a list from cristy@dupont.com < Cristy > , which asked for\n systems for displaying Molecular Dynamics, MD for short ]\n\nFlex\n----\n It is a public domain package written by Michael Pique, at The Scripps\n Research Institute, La Jolla, CA. Flex is stored as a compressed,\n tar\'ed archive (about 3.4MB) at perutz.scripps.edu [137.131.152.27], in\n pub/flex. It displays molecular models and MD trajectories.\n\nMacMolecule\n-----------\n (for Macintosh). I searched with Archie, and the most\n promising place is sumex-aim.stanford.edu (info-mac/app, and\n info-mac/art/qt for a demo)\n\nMD-DISPLAY\n----------\n Runs on SGI machines. Call Terry Lybrand (lybrand@milton.u.washington.edu).\n\nXtalView\n--------\n It is a crystallography package that does visualize molecules and much more.\n It uses the XView toolkit.\n Call Duncan McRee <dem@scripps.edu>\n\nlandman@hal.physics.wayne.edu:\n-----------------------------\n I am writing my own visualization code right now. I look at MD output\n (a specific format, easy to alter for the subroutine) on PC\'s. My\n program has hooks into GKS. If your friend has access to Phigs for X\n (PEX) and fortran bindings, I would be happy to share my evolving code\n (free of charge). Right now it can display supercells of up to 65\n atoms (easy to change), and up to 100 time steps, drawing nearest\n neighbor bonds between 2 defining nn radii. It works acceptably fast\n on a 10Mhz 286.\n\nicsg0001@caesar.cs.montana.edu:\n------------------------------\n I did a project on Molecular Visualization for my Master\'s Thesis, using\n UNIX/X11/Motif which generates a simple point and space-filling model.\n\nKGNGRAF\n-------\n\nKGNGRAF is part of MOTECC-91. Look on malena.crs4.it (156.148.7.12),\nin pub/motecc.\n\nmotecc.info.txt Information about MOTECC-91 in plain ascii format.\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nmotecc.info.troff Information about MOTECC-91 in troff format.\nmotecc.form.troff MOTECC-91 order form in troff format.\nmotecc.license.troff MOTECC-91 license agreement in troff format.\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nmotecc.info.ps Information about MOTECC-91 in PostScript format.\nmotecc.form.ps MOTECC-91 order form in PostScript format.\nmotecc.license.ps MOTECC-91 license agreement in PostScript format.\n\n\nditolla@itnsg1.cineca.it:\n------------------------\n I\'m working on molecular dynamic too. A friend of mine and I have\n\n developed a program to display an MD run dynamically on Silicon\n Graphics. We are working to improve it, but it doesn\'t work under X,\n we are using the graphi. lib. of the Silicon Gr. because they are much\n faster then X. When we\'ll end it we\'ll post on the news info about\n where to get it with ftp. (Will be free software).\n\nXBall V2.0\n----------\n Written by David Nedde. Call daven@maxine.wpi.edu.\n\nXMol\n----\n An X Window System program that uses OSF/Motif for the\n display and analysis of molecular model data. Data from several\n common file formats can be read and written; current formats include:\n Alchemy, CHEMLAB-II, Gaussian, MOLSIM, MOPAC, PDB, and MSCI\'s XYZ\n format (which has been designed for simplicity in translating to\n and from other formats). XMol also allows for conversion between\n several of these formats.\n Xmol is available at ftp.msc.edu. Read pub/xmol/README for\n further details.\n\nINSIGHT II\n----------\n from BIOSYM Technologies Inc.\n\nSCARECROW\n---------\n The program has been published in J. Molecular Graphics 10\n (1992) 33. The program can analyze and display CHARMM, DISCOVER, YASP\n and MUMOD trajectories. The program package contains also software for\n the generation of probe surfaces, proton affinity\n surfaces and molecular orbitals from an extended Huckel program.\n It works on Silicon Graphics machines.\n Contact Leif Laaksonen <Leif.Laaksonen@csc.fi or laaksone@csc.fi>\n\nMULTI\n-----\nns.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.8.8] : /pub - MULTI 3.0 (Multi-Process\n\t\tMolecular Modeling Suite)\n\n+MindTool\n+--------\n+ It runs under SunView, and requires a fortran compiler and Sun\'s CGI\n+ libraries. MindTool is a tool provided for the interactive graphic\n+ manipulation of molecules and atoms. Currently, up to 10,000\n+ atoms may be input.\n+ Available via anonymous FTP, at rani.chem.yale.edu, directory\n+ /pub/MindTool ( Check with Archie for other sites if that\'s too far )\n\n[ I would also suggest looking at least in SGI\'s Applications Directory.\n It contains many more packages - nfotis ]\n\n===========================================================================\n\n19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software)\n===================================================\n\nGRASS\n-----\n (Geographic Resource Analysis Support System) of the US Army\n Construction Engineering Research Lab (CERL). It is a popular geographic and\n remote sensing image processing package. Many may think of GRASS as a\n Geographic Information System rather than an Image Processing package,\n although it is reported to have significant image processing\n capabilities.\n\n Feature Descriptions\n\n I use GRASS because it\'s public domain and can be obtained through the\n internet for free. GRASS runs in Unix and is written in C. The source\n code can be obtained through an anonymous ftp from the Office of Grass\n Integration. You then compile the source code for your machine, using\n scripts provided with GRASS. I would recommend GRASS for someone who\n already has a workstation and is on a limited budget. GRASS is not very\n user-friendly, compared to Macintosh software." A first review of\n overview documentation indicates that it looks useful and has some pixel\n resampling functions not in other packages plus good general purpose\n image enhancement routines (fft). Kelly Maurice at Vexcel Corp. in\n Boulder, CO is a primary user of GRASS . This gentleman has used the\n GRASS software and developed multi-spectral (238 bands ??) volumetric\n rendering, full color, on Suns and Stardents. It was a really effective\n interface. Vexcel Corp. currently has a contract to map part of Venus\n and convert the Magellan radar data into contour maps. You can call them\n at (303) 444-0094 or email care of greg@vexcel.com 192.92.90.68\n\n Host Configuration Requirements\n\n If you are willing to run A/UX you could install GRASS on a Macintosh\n which has significant image analysis and import capabilities for\n satellite data. GRASS is public-domain, and can run on a high-end PC\n under UNIX. It is raster-based, has some image-processing capability,\n and can display vector data (but analysis must be done in the raster\n environment). I have used GRASS V.3 on a SUN workstation and found it\n easy to use. It is best, of course, for data that are well represented\n in raster (grid-cell) form.\n\n Availability\n\n CERL\'s Office of Grass Integration (OGI) maintains an ftp server:\n moon.cecer.army.mil (129.229.20.254).\n\n Mail regarding this site should be addressed to\n grass-ftp-admin@moon.cecer.army.mil.\n\n This location will be the new "canonical" source for GRASS software, as\n well as bug fixes, contributed sources, documentation, and other files.\n This FTP server also supports dynamic compression and uncompression and\n "tar" archiving of files. A feature attraction of the server is John\n Parks\' GRASS tutorial. Because the manual is still in beta-test stage,\n John requests that people only acquire it if they are willing to review\n it and mail him comments/corrections. The OGI is not currently\n maintaining this document, so all correspondence about it should be\n directed to grassx@tang.uark.edu\n\n Support\n\n Listserv mailing lists:\n\n grassu-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS users; application-level\n questions, support concerns, miscellaneous questions, etc) Send\n subscribe commands to grassu-request@amber.cecer.army.mil.\n\n grassp-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS programmers; system-level\n questions and tips, tricks, and techniques of design and implementation\n of GRASS applications) Send subscribe commands to\n grassp-request@amber.cecer.army.mil.\n\n Both lists are maintained by the Office of Grass Integration (subset of\n the Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Lab in\n Champaign, IL). The OGI is providing the lists as a service to the\n community; while OGI and CERL employees will participate in the lists,\n we can make no claim as to content or veracity of messages that pass\n through the list. If you have questions, problems, or comments, send\n E-mail to lists-owner@amber.cecer.army.mil and a human will respond.\n\nMicrostation Imager\n-------------------\n Intergraph (based in Huntsville Alabama) sells a wide range of GIS\n software/hardware. Microstation is a base graphics package that Imager\n sits on top of. Imager is basically an image processing package with a\n heavy GIS/remote sensing flavor.\n\n Feature Description\n\n Basic geometry manipulations: flip, mirror, rotate, generalized affine.\n Rectification: Affine, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th order models as well as a\n projective model (warp an image to a vector map or to another image).\n RGB to IHS and IHS to RGB conversion. Principal component analysis.\n Classification: K-means and isodata. Fourier Xforms: Forward, filtering\n and reverse. Filters: High pass, low pass, edge enhancing, median,\n generic. Complex Histogram/Contrast control. Layer Controller: manages\n up to 64 images at a time -- user can extract single bands from a 3 band\n image or create color images by combining various individual bands, etc.\n\n The package is designed for a remote sensing application (it can handle\n VERY LARGE images) and there is all kinds of other software available\n for GIS applications.\n Host Configuration Requirements\n\n It runs on Intergraph Workstations (a Unix machine similar to a Sun)\n though there were rumors (there are always rumors) that the software\n would be ported to PC and possibly a Sun environment.\n\nPCI\n---\n A company called PCI, Inc., out of Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada, makes\n an array of software utilities for processing, manipulation, and use of\n remote sensing data in eight or ten different "industry standard"\n formats: LGSOWG, BSQ, LANDSAT, and a couple of others whose titles I\n forget. The software is available in versions for MS-DOS, Unix\n workstations (among them HP, Sun, and IBM), and VMS, and quite possibly\n other platforms by now. I use the VMS version.\n\n The "PCI software" consists of several classes/groups/packages of\n utilities, grouped by function but all operating on a common "PCI\n database" disk file. The "Tape I/O" package is a set of utility\n programs which read from the various remote-sensing industry tape\n formats INTO, or write those formats out FROM, the "PCI database" file;\n this is the only package I use or know much about. Other packages can\n display data from the PCI database to one or another of several\n PCI-supported third-party color displays, output numeric or bitmap\n representation of image data to an attached printer, e.g. an Epson-type\n dot-matrix graphics printer. You might be more spe- cifically\n interested in the mathematical operations package: histo- gram and\n Fourier analysis, equalization, user-specified operations (e.g.\n "multiply channel 1 by 3, add channel 2, and store as channel 5"), and\n God only knows what all else -- there\'s a LOT. I don\'t have and don\'t\n use these, so can\'t say much about them; you only buy the packages your\n particular application/interest calls for.\n\n Each utility is controlled by from one to eight "parameters," read from\n a common "parameter file" which must be (in VMS anyway) in your "default\n directory." Some utilities will share parameters and use the same\n parameter for a different purpose, so it can get a bit confusing setting\n up a series of operations. The standard PCI environment contains a\n scripting language very similar to IBM-PC BASIC, but which allows you to\n automate the process of setting up parameters for a common, complicated,\n lengthy or difficult series of utility executions. (In VMS I can also\n invoke utilities independently from a DCL command procedure.) There\'s\n also an optional programming library which allows you to write compiled\n language programs which can interface with (read from/write to) the PCI\n data structures (database file, parameter file).\n\n The PCI software is designed specifically for remote-sensing images, but\n requires such a level of operator expertise that, once you reach the\n level where you can handle r-s images, you can figure out ways to handle\n a few other things as well. For instance, the Tape I/O package offers a\n utility for reading headerless multi-band (what Adobe PhotoShop on the\n Macintosh calls "raw") data from tape, in a number of different\n "interleave" orders. This turns out to be ideal for manipulating the\n graphic-arts industry\'s "CT2T" format, would probably (I haven\'t tried)\n handle Targa, and so on. Above all, however, you HAVE TO KNOW WHAT\n YOU\'RE DOING or you can screw up to the Nth degree and have to start\n over. It\'s worth noting that the PCI "database" file is designed to\n contain not only "raster" (image) data, but vectors (for overlaying map\n information entered via digitizing table), land-use, and all manner of\n other information (I observe that a remote-sensing image tape often\n contains all manner of information about the spectral bands, latitude,\n longitude, time, date, etc. of the original satellite pass; all of this\n can go into the PCI "database").\n\n I _believe_ that on workstations the built-in display is used. On VAX\n systems OTHER than workstations PCI supports only a couple of specific\n third-party display systems (the name Gould/Deanza seems to come to\n mind). One of MY personal workarounds was a display program which would\n display directly from a PCI "database" file to a Peritek VCT-Q (Q-bus\n 24-bit DirectColor) display subsystem. PCI software COULD be "overkill"\n in your case; it seems designed for the very "high end"\n applications/users, i.e. those for whom a Mac/PC largely doesn\'t suffice\n (although as you know the gap is getting smaller all the time). It\'s\n probably no coincidence that PCI is located in Canada, a country which\n does a LOT of its land/resource management via remote sensing; I believe\n the Canadian government uses PCI software for some of its work in these\n areas.\n\nSPAM (Spectral Analysis Manager)\n--------------------------------\n Back in 1985 JPL developed something called SPAM (Spectral Analysis\n Manager) which got a fair amount of use at the time. That was designed\n for Airborne Imaging Spectrometer imagery (byte data, <= 256 pixels\n across by <= 512 lines by <= 256 bands); a modified version has since\n been developed for AVIRIS (Airborne VIsual and InfraRed Imaging\n Spectrometer) which uses much larger images.\n\n Spam does none of these things (rectification, classification, PC and\n IHS transformations, filtering, contrast enhancement, overlays).\n Actually, it does limited filtering and contrast enhancement\n (stretching). Spam is aimed at spectral identification and clustering.\n\n The original Spam uses X or SunView to display. The AVIRIS version may\n require VICAR, an executive based on TAE, and may also require a frame\n buffer. I can refer you to people if you\'re interested. PCW requires X\n for display.\n\nMAP II\n------\n Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II is distributed by John Wiley.\n\nCLRview\n-------\n CLRview is a 3-dimensional visualization program designed to exploit\n the real-time capabilities of Silicon Graphics IRIS computers.\n\n This program is designed to provide a core set of tools to aid in the\n visualization of information from CAD and GIS sources. It supports\n the integration of many common but disperate data sources such as DXF,\n TIN, DEM, Lattices, and Arc/Info Coverages among others.\n\n CLRview can be obtained from explorer.dgp.utoronto.ca (128.100.1.129) \n in the directory pub/sgi/clrview.\n\n Contact:\n Rodney Hoinkes\n Head of Design Applications\n Centre for Landscape Research\n University of Toronto\n Tel: (416) 978-7197\n Email: rodney@dgp.utoronto.ca\n\n==========================================================================\n\nEnd of Resource Listing\n-- \nNick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece\nHOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr\n Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis\n Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578\n',
'From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)\nSubject: Re: (Q) CONNER HD specs\nOrganization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC\nLines: 17\n\nIn <199304181719.AA08489@sune.stacken.kth.se> hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) writes:\n\n>Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications?\n>It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values, \n>precomp, etc.\n\n>Heikki Haldre Internet: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se\n\nconner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response\ndata bank giving all the info.\n\nif you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the\nphone number of "conner peripherals," you should get what you need.\n\ndannyb@panix.com\nall the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be.\n\n',
'From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Netcom. San Jose, California\nLines: 25\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes ...\n>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so \n>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism? \n\nTo the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the\ntruth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to\ncontrol events.\n\nAssuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two\nrelativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute\ntruth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that\nproduces the desired results.\n\nAssuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing \nobjectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there\nis no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals,\nyou must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees\nwith you is amoral.\n\nGiven a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention,\nI\'d say that compromise seems to be "better".\n\n-- \nRay Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth\nray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche\n',
'From: tph@susie.sbc.com (Timothy P. Henrion)\nSubject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh\'s 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)\nOrganization: /usr/lib/news/organization\nLines: 32\nNNTP-Posting-Host: susie.sbc.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.093914.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:\n>In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes:\n>> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:\n>>>For those who think David Koresh didn\'t have a solid structure,\n>>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast,\n>> \n>> I don\'t think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his\n>> sermon. It\'s the deaths he\'s responsible for that concern most people.\n>\n>I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths?\n\nOnly my common sense. The fire was caused by either Koresh and his\nfollowers or by the FBI/ATF/CIA/KGB/and maybe the Harper Valley PTA. Since\nyou are throwing around the evidence arguement, I\'ll throw it back. Can\nyou prove any government agency did it? (Please don\'t resort to "they \ncovered it up so that proves they did it" or any wild theories about how\nthe government agencies intentionally started the fire. The key words\nare proof and evidence.)\nproves they did it"\n\n>\n>> All that "thou shalt not kill" stuff.\n>\n>I\'d like to point out that the Bible says "Do not commit murder." The NKJ\n>translation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The\n\nPlease explain how Koresh was defending himself from those children who\nburned. \n\n-- \n Tim Henrion Southwestern Bell Technology Resources\n thenrion@sbctri.sbc.com \n',
"From: lange@reg.triumf.ca (THREADING THE CANADIAN TAPESTRY)\nSubject: Detroit Playoff Tradition\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca\nKeywords: Octopi\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nWay back in the early years (~50's) it took 8 wins to garner the Stanley Cup. \nSoooooo, a couple of local fish mongers (local to the Joe Louis Arena, that is)\nstarted the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win. After\neach victory, one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the\nice. (They are dead by the way.) It was a brilliant marketing strategy to\nshore up the demand for one of their least popular products.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nJ. Lange\n\n",
'From: swh@capella.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold)\nSubject: Re: Need Info on Diamond Viper Video Card\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino\nLines: 46\n\nExperiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card\n\nSeveral problems:\n\n1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB\n of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED\n with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K\n colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB\n VRAM.\n\n2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations:\n\n a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an\n Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often\n remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to\n be.\n\n b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the\n display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you\n shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK).\n\n3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development\n Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger\n icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the\n debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed\n to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The\n Turbo Debugger display is all garbled.\n\n Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen\n is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter\n "R". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it\n does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn\'t have to do this.\n\n The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive\n behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with\n Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles\n the VGA mode.\n \n The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use\n another monitor in place of my usual one.\n\nI still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be\nremedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty).\n\n---\nswh, 20apr93\n',
'From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)\nSubject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper)\nOrganization: ClariNet Communications Corp.\nLines: 10\n\nThe actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is\nfor cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not\nend to end, I think. End to end will come later.\n\nAnd of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and\nsince the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the\nmagic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and\nthen can present the warrant to the key escrow house.\n-- \nBrad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366\n',
'From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)\nSubject: Re: Young Catchers\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n>As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the\n>minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don\'t\n>believe there is), then wouldn\'t you rather waste Lopez\'s 22-year old good\n>season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent\n>season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to\n>use.\n\nCan anybody name a player who was \'rushed\' to the majors (let\'s, for\nargument\'s sake, define "rushed" as brought up to the majors for more than\na cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below\nexpectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing? I\'m serious; I\ntend to agree with David that bringing the player up sooner is better, but\nI\'d like to look at players for whom this theory didn\'t work, if there are\nany. I\'d prefer players within the last 10 years or so, because then I can\nlook up their minor league stats. (It\'s important to distinguish between\nplayers who legitimately had careers below what their minor league numbers\nwould have projected, as opposed to players who were hyped and failed, but\nactually had careers not out of line with their minor league numbers). \n\nLet\'s kick it off with an example of a player who was "rushed", although\nthere doesn\'t seem to have been any damage to his career. Jay Bell was\ngiven 135 PAs in the major leagues at age 21, and performed well below what\nyou would expect from his AAA numbers the same season. He got 236 PAs the\nnext year at age 22, and still underperformed. However, the next year, at\nage 24, his performance improved, and he won the everyday shortstop job,\nand has been there ever since. It\'s really hard for me to see where he\nwould have been better off staying in the minor league (where he was\nperformed quite well in AAA) during this time, rather than being "rushed";\nCleveland might have been better off, I suppose, because they might have\nbeen less likely to give up on him.\n\nYes, if you bring a player up early, he\'s likely going to struggle. But\ndoes that delay the time at which he stops struggling, and starts\nperforming up to expectations?\n\nSherri Nichols\nsnichols@adobe.com\n',
'From: newton@cs.utexas.edu (Peter Newton)\nSubject: Re: Cache card for IIsi\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 64\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mohawk.cs.utexas.edu\n\n> Can some people with cache cards PLEASE post speedometer numbers they\n> get with the cards. I have only one report, which seems to indicate\n> that a 32K cache card gives you only about a 1% speedup!! \n\nOk. I have a record that shows a IIsi with and without a 64KB cache.\nIt\'s small enough that I will attach it.\n\nI have also measured some real programs with and without the 64 KB\ncache. The speedup varies a lot from app to app, ranging from 0% to\n40%. I think an average of 20%-25% is about right. The subjective\ndifference is not great, but is sometimes noticable. A simple cache\ncard certainly does not transform a IIsi into something enormously\nbetter. I do not have an FPU.\n\nThe conventional wisdom says that cache cards from all of the makers\noffer about the same speedup and that there is not much difference\nbetween 32K and 64K caches. I bought mine from Third Wave for well\nunder $150. I have had absolutely no problems at all with it.\n\nIf you get *complete* speedometer runs for a 32K cache, I\'d like to\nsee them. Let\'s check the conventional wisdom! The so called\n"Performance Rating" numbers by themselves are of no interest. \n\nCheers.\n\n(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0)\n:#@0KBfKP,Q0`G!"338083e"$9!!!!!!\'A!!!!!$qK3%"a+!!!!BGJ&CfGiGfH(H\n)GhQ!QSQBUC!!@SQUU(QSCfPhGhL(H+HCL&KjQTU)LDH)HBL*UCUCJ!U@GQ9hGiK\nhCAKR9SPiJ)QRQ)QUJ+N(J!UCLD#U#S!!S!QUUTQC#U#DL3J)#3LT#UU)QUUBUT!\n!S!L3!!UU#!QJS+UT!!QJS*UD#TUUQCQ3!*!!UCFJ!!%c4ACSL\'D)L)D!#!!)#!!\n!!!!!!!!)!!!!!!!!J!B8*%9@9L0A"i!!G`!!G`B!!(J)"i###B!P[US),B")21Z\n-1I"k-cQFM-VXMHhA!irdjPcVr,lUCVSZ2SI8j@,-l,jPI`F#lZq0A"AL8XRHjf,\n6[LJ09"aZ2TV6l!$9lN@eAP@Rei8(VIpIQkfDK$-ZV[b+9[T5lkC0XZ6LGhf(Ik&\na$Lkh*Q6-qhh2MIlc*Q2Iq$p([GeSp(ejN!"bHMdHll$&Qh\'lR`E26C2(QBqSrMM\npa-k()jPGXqcpR2rYR9eYd0,*Mh0,h1rj1*hA%pcLHRSG6PF2eIYmc4rIS60EFp+\nCGE@Vr$[TRAFA(QkA`pG8JkS[@fe1mcBikFQC(,(9K[U&h""0rr"BDDT(i%XP3Z$\nV04L8D82FeU01V4K-9U#JaD@1*fZa`EZr3-eGTYkNXH49SjF2Ei[G*5el3[VZ\'j[\nVf($bTBHjlEX3Pe0KJ8,ZKH!9Cc3+fJ%kHGZC*BHhNV9+DC6Xd$[S58DFD"pJ%ei\nq#CXHkEL`@d%&PYYY"1f0rG`jm0rJTCYMi4B1KbB\'pUBQ)PU9\'q"*m1miHG#YR`b\neUNG1\'mSAP#mR`i-1*K`l[DiNq\'MQjZA(,4bq"$*Mimq(KC9@@(-Mc\'"f88e9U&0\nF\'Y4U5eXb("+6T8D@6(R3ae+10Padk"CAK!*Ea6SThLiA9HF!H&&Da@[,[2bA2!p\n2VIr&TI)!6V`%S!*eJ#GS!Q!!QqD#2P!*M49m9IdHhm2frUq2Ek))G3e"Vi)+rQJ\nC[`%m#+E&0jf"YI2ql`VI&0qHH!R[339`\'9hY46)TR+ZkXI!pQRQKCU3%ed9R&Cr\n!QCiUk+ZmEf)IYI&bqMEffkT5bB`JhYl2K[0PXVe0B@@2*@Uam121D`A`h+cC)Xl\nIEjf8S+#9`a6[P8p0ZC&6H0ajcY1BR"JDM3`F%lJ1&5bI+SC2Jh([qeTfVK961rR\nZVIq[+Rb-TH3\'B3f0r$h\'\'cP%"UY1\'jU53jY@5P(RCdPAXAfrl"Xrhf#Y"dmV1i$\n9%Dm@T+f4NMlP5jd-XN0(K5C91\'R@)4Qb9C5Ke1h%V-kiaRA-NTa`b9(YYL5TM5*\nF2#bUFFLGJ%,D8QA*9R`eUQ29Sj!!p0b\'"c5LEFR4@%9KpDGj1,bijhNaDH,6mrm\n(3qpJITeraM0+0RHJ*aJ%f`#HJ!R4JJXDK22e!Cab5DK)jkRq0r[IcrC`[c!Krd(\n$m1VrbJCX!NR)3FrcHYPk(r1CHJjiJ#Hk%\'J84pq+#+$a2&r&bZ,Ff1V,-KG6qG9\nMbmUPG9XkUeX$2Gl!Gl!Gl!GE!k5hrX(F4IX4IRNYkb"M%rSbN4`8m8qPq2rAd[j\nFhRC#4(PeI2RFhY0+j-GH\'!P*S)h!#HN!R6JJXb5f\'b!clJkfb121qGm2MclEe,S\nmHpf12b4arQ$Q%%PLK"q(8@I8[qRmmS5[l`"2fP!"4CpjY0,DDAp2AlE#eIPBD0c\nrL1,PeXj39[%9k`HF4Z,ZKGN4h9A+b-T23l)RDf\'a13X"\'-#VbKJ[!9ME*!Tlp2-\nQckRpM@J2e5BN*f&jHN*[Vp-#f+F(J)PQXJNlYRLpQ3C,%`Cm0l3E[MP"cXZ6`)B\nmpVS0)P3Y@XTB5F5qaSr"XrmrZf1iLXSV,pPVjICFMRrekXdDI`0FHmT[Q!4VL`T\naalM336chGUr@"Me6YarIDI&Y2LpE9HPaI#fhNFmq$qLchVC(dUajJ%eb%(6NdIH\np#jqEd#X1cGDTVmDY965+@Pi,Mr1JeR&pq`q@"AacVkC[0lZi3-Z-5PZk8%f$Vrd\nHfR&1mci,3&Nqh9r"e%"j5Ve$0rN`AbfB"Qqlk$C`3@LKQRh0(-MKhNYA+UC&Qhq\n5kajHR1eFqR,2H5b8Z!SLfG3!!2TPmiF!!3!+58PcD5eMB@0SC3%!!!!)6@0S9(0\n3C$1R$)JJT`b+33%!ADmicJ!#!!!4a3!!!!!!!!B9!!!!!,AP!!!:\n-- \n ----\nPeter Newton (newton@cs.utexas.edu)\n',
"From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz)\nSubject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace\nReply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz)\nOrganization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany)\nLines: 33\n\nFlint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes:\n\n>>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace\n>>for DOS at the same time. \n\n>Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG\n>will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui.\n\n>I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well.\n\nHey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it \nuses NDIS. \n \nMy problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my \nUMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work \nalong. \n \nI read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just \naround the corner. Anybody have any news about this? \n \nRegards, Richard \n\nPS: I possibly caused a dupe with this message. If this message was spread\ntwice outside of Munich, please send me a short note. It would help\nme debug my news application.\n\n-- \n+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+\n| Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de |\n| EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 |\n| Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 |\n| Munich, Germany | |\n+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+\n",
'From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen)\nSubject: FBI Director\'s Statement on Waco Standoff\nOrganization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366\nLines: 26\n\nIn the interests of completeness, I thought readers of these \nnewsgroups would want to see FBI Director William Sessions\'\nstatement, as released by the FBI press office.\n\n FBI Director\'s Statement On Waco Standoff\n To: National Desk\n Contact: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Press Office,\n 202-324-3691\n\n WASHINGTON, April 19 -- The following is a statement by \nFBI Director William S. Sessions regarding the Branch Davidian \nincident in Waco, Texas:\n\n "I had hoped to be making a very different statement this evening.\nAfter very careful planning and extensive preparation we all thought\nthat today\'s efforts by the FBI to bring the Branch Davidians out of\ntheir compound would result in the peaceful resolution of the\nstand-off or at least meaningful negotiation.\n "Instead, we are faced with devastation and death. However, I\nhave no question that our plan was correct and was conducted with\nextreme professionalism and care. I applaud the restraint shown by\nagents in the face of life-threatening gunfire, and I thank them for\nrisking their lives to try to end this peacefully. I have only the\ngreatest admiration for the courage and professionalism of all\ninvolved."\n -30-\n',
"From: rosst@pogo.wv.tek.com (Ross Taylor)\nSubject: Re: Davidians and compassion\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.\nLines: 9\n\nIs there evidence independent of the FBI that indicates that the Branch\nDavidians set the fire? What have the survivors said? Did the press see\nanything?\n\nThere is, unfortunately, precedent for the U.S. government saving children by\nroasting them alive. (There is precedent for religious self-imolation\nas well.)\n\nI still wonder why the government couldn't just leave them alone.\n",
'From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT)\nSubject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD !\nOrganization: Oklahoma State University\nLines: 49\n\nFrom article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:\n> Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms\n> \'deter\' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that\n> there are actually *few* cases where this is so. \n\nIt certainly is provable. Around a million Americans every year defend\nthemselves with firearms. In many of these cases the defender doesn\'t even\nhave to fire a shot! The mere presence of a gun is oftentimes all the\ndeterrent that is needed.\n\nI don\'t like violence anymore than anyone else does. But, taking away the\nright of Americans to keep and bear arms is not the solution to the violent\ncrime problem in this country. If honest, law-abiding citizens are unable\nto get firearms then they will be preyed on even more by criminals who will\nbe able to acquire guns through illegal channels. Expect to start seeing\nthe crime syndicates who smuggle drugs into this country start smuggling\nguns. Believe me this will happen. There is *plenty* of economic\nincentive for gangsters to illegaly import guns into this country if guns\nshould be banned by the Klintonistas.\n\n> The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary\n> opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who\n> would argue with you about a parking space, those who would\n> take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes.\n\nStatistics, por favor?\n\n> Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. \n> In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms.\n> No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking,\n> than the \'criminal\'. This is your own fault. \n\nSee my previous post. That ought to set you straight.\n\n> The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.\n\nPeople have the right to keep and bear arms no matter what the\nConstitution says. That means that even if the 2nd Amendment is\nrepealed the *people* (that\'s all American citizens FYI) will *still*\nhave the right to keep and bear arms.\n\n\nScott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot\n\nBefore: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets\n the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman\nAfter: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets\n [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me\n\n',
'From: jwodzia@fadel.uucp (john wodziak)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nReply-To: jwodzia@fadel.UUCP (john wodziak)\nOrganization: Clemson University Engineering Department\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes:\n>My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York\n>City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks\n>really sharp.\n\nDoesn\'t it also have the Statue of Liberty on it or is that Richter\'s Mask?\n\nThe back actually has a Bee followed by a Z to represent the Beezer. It \nalso has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from\nthe Led Zepplin 4 album cover. Is that what it is supposed to be? and if\nit is does anybody know why he would put it there? Ali?\n\n> Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n> "When I want your opinion, I\'ll give it to you." \n\nJohn\n"The official Language of Golf is Profanity"\n\n\n\n\nIn Hockey Hell...............jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu............John R. Wodziak\nThe REAL Black and Gold |In Memorium: #7 Alan Kulwicki 1954-1993 | Bean\nWill Triumph over those who |A Polish Yankee Mechanical Engineer, | Town\nare Pretenders to the Crown.|1992 Winston Cup Champion & a great Person| ROCKS!\n',
"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: receiver system\nKeywords: telemetry, receiver system\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 22\n\nOne thing to consider is time division multiplexing the EMG\nchannels to reduce the number of RF carriers you have to generate.\nIf you multiplexed the EMG inputs at 10KHz, that would probably be\nsufficient for most physiology studies (you'd have ~ 330 Hz per\nchannel sampling rate.) That level of analog multiplexing should\nbe rather easy to accomplish.\n\nCombining a lot of RF carriers is pretty tricky to do without\ngenerating intermodulation. A system to be carried by a runner is\nin a fairly harsh environment and would probably be difficult to\nkeep balanced.\n\nA commercial hand-held transciever could probably be employed with\na little modification to accomodate widening the bandwidth.\nObviously, this has to be done in accordance with whatever laws\ngovern the use of transeivers in your location.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED\n",
'From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.\nLines: 86\nNntp-Posting-Host: zen.sys.uea.ac.uk\n\nleavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:\n\n>mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\n>mjs>Also, IMHO, telling newbies about countersteering is, er, counter-productive\n>mjs>cos it just confuses them. I rode around quite happily for 10 years \n>mjs>knowing nothing about countersteering. I cannot say I ride any differently\n>mjs>now that I know about it.\n\n>I interpret this to mean that you\'re representative of every other\n>motorcyclist in the world, eh Mike? Rather presumptive of you!\n\nIMHO = in my humble opinion!!\n\n>leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:\n>leavitt>The time to learn countersteering techniques is when you are first\n>leavitt>starting to learn, before you develop any bad habits. I rode for\n>leavitt>five years before taking my first course (MSF ERC) and learning\n>leavitt>about how to countersteer. It\'s now eight years later, and I *still*\n>leavitt>have to consciously tell myself "Don\'t steer, COUNTERsteer!" Old\n>leavitt>habits die hard, and bad habits even harder.\n\n>mjs>Sorry Bill, but this is complete bollocks. You learned how to countersteer \n>mjs>the first time you rode the bike, it\'s natural and intuitive. \n\n>Sorry Mike, I\'m not going to kick over the "can you _not_ countersteer\n>over 5mph?" stone. That one\'s been kicked around enough. For the sake of\n>argument, I\'ll concede that it\'s countersteering (sake of argument only).\n\n>mjs>MSF did not teach you *how* to countersteer, it only told you what\n>mjs>you were already doing.\n\n>And there\'s no value in that? \n\n\nI didn\'t say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing\nto newbies. \n\n> There\'s a BIG difference in: 1) knowing\n>what\'s happening and how to make it do it, especially in the extreme\n>case of an emergency swerve, and: 2) just letting the bike do whatever\n>it does to make itself turn. Once I knew precisely what was happening\n>and how to make it do it abruptly and on command, my emergency avoidance\n>abilities improved tenfold, not to mention a big improvement in my normal\n>cornering ability. I am much more proficient "knowing" how to countersteer\n>the motorcycle rather than letting the motorcycle steer itself. That is,\n>when I *remember* to take cognitive command of the bike rather than letting\n>it run itself through the corners. Whereupon I return to my original\n>comment - better to learn what\'s happening right from the start and how\n>to take charge of it, rather than developing the bad habit of merely going\n>along for the ride.\n\nBill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer\nthemselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the\ntyre on the road, the suspension geometry and the ground clearance of the\n motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and\nnot the knowledge of physics between the rider\'s ears. Are you seriously\nsuggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster\nor more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??\n\n\n>Mike, I\'m extremely gratified for you that you have such a natural\n>affinity and prowess for motorcycling that formal training was a total\n>waste of time for you (assuming your total "training" hasn\'t come from\n>simply from reading rec.motorcycles). However, 90%+ of the motorcyclists\n>I\'ve discussed formal rider education with have regarded the experience\n>as overwhelmingly positive. This regardless of the amount of experience\n>they brought into the course (ranging from 10 minutes to 10+ years).\n\nFormal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include\ncountersteering theory. I found out about countersteering about six years ago,\nfrom a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn\'t believe him\nat first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left,\nbut I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was \nright! It\'s an interesting bit of knowledge, and I\'ve had a lot of fun since\nthen telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But\nthat\'s all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that\nit is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster\nor better as a result, is absurd.\n\nFormal training is in my view absolutely essential if you\'re going to\nbe able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering\ntheory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at\nthe time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.\nAnd that was my original point.\n\nMike\n',
"From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin)\nSubject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nOrganization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project\nIn-Reply-To: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM's message of 19 Apr 1993 16:59:12 -0400\nLines: 21\n\nOn 19 Apr 1993 16:59:12 -0400, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) said:\n\n> I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window\n> of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application\n> could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an \n> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of\n> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).\n\n> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?\n> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me\n> with XOpenWindow?\n\nIn SGI's distribution with their Indigo line (others as well, possibly),\nthey include source code for a GL widget that fits on top of Motif, and\none that's Xt based as well. You may wish to ask IBM whether they\nsupport this.\n--\n\nRobert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude!\n#include <std.disclaimer.h>\n\n",
'From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)\nSubject: *FOR SALE*: H-1 500...\nOrganization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA\nLines: 13\n\n\n 1975 H-1 500\n Brand new top end\n Chambers\n Clean + black!\n 1,500$\n Paul: (510) 839-2161\n\nPlease do not contact this email address: contact the seller.\n\nCheers\n\nDAVE\n',
'From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord)\nSubject: Seven castaways w. Gilligan=Seven Deadly Sins\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 7\n\nGilligan = Sloth\nSkipper = Anger\nThurston Howell III = Greed\nLovey Howell = Gluttony\nGinger = Lust\nProfessor = Pride\nMary Ann = Envy\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Cause of mental retardation?\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.111834.1@cc.uvcc.edu> harrisji@cc.uvcc.edu writes:\n\n>\n>Chromosome studies have shown no abnormalities. Enzyme studies and\n>urine analyses have not turned up anything out of the ordinary. \n>MRI images of the brain show scar tissue in the white matter. \n>Subsequent MRI analysis has shown that the deterioration of the\n>white matter is progressive.\n>\n>Because neither family has a history of anything like this, and\n>because two of our four children are afflicted with the disorder,\n>we believe that it is an autosomal recessive metabolic disorder of\n>some kind. Naturally, we would like to know exactly what the\n>disease is so that we may gain some insight into how we can expect\n>the disorder to progress in the future. We would also like to be\n>able to provide our normal children with some information about\n>what they can expect in their own children.\n>\n\nIt could be one of the leukodystrophies (not adrenal, only\nboys get that). Surely you\'ve been to a university pediatric\nneurology department. If not that is the next step. Biopsies\nmight help, especially if peripheral nerves are also affected.\nThere are so many of these diseases that would fit the symptoms\nyou gave that more can\'t be said at this time.\n\nI agree with your surmise that it is an autosomal recessive.\nIf so, your normal children won\'t have to worry too much unless\nthey marry near relatives. Most recessive genes are rare\nexcept in inbred communities (e.g. Lithuanian Jews).\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets)\nSubject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o)\nOrganization: Atlas Telecom Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1qksp9$l39@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.142322.1318@atlastele.com>, brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:\n>> and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I \n>> don\'t understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on \n>> an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell\n>> me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law \n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>> does not make it LAW. \n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>Sorry, but I really can\'t figure out what you\'re trying to say, above.\n\nI guess what I am really asking, like I did above, how does my government\nwho is my servent, tell me the soveriegn what I can or cannot possess?\n\nIt would seem to me that the act of possessing a machine gun is no less\n"criminal", by definition, than the act of possessing a television set. I also would seem\nto me that it would be better to pass laws that say, that if I harm\nor kill someone with the machine gun or the television set that there \nwould be specific penalties for doing such. \n\n>\n>> Everyone knows that laws are constitional\n>> until it goes to court.\n\nSorry, I was close.\n\n>\n>Not exactly:\n\n>"No on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law, and no courts are\n> bound to enforce it."\n> 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177\n> late 2d, Sec 256\n\n\n-- \nBrian Sheets\t\t _ /| \t"TRUCK?! What truck?"\nSupport Engineer \t \\`o_O\' \t \nAtlas Telecom Inc. \t ( ) \t -Raiders of the Lost Ark\nbrians@atlastele.com U\n',
'From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\nOrganization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things\nLines: 28\n\n1. Did you read the FAQs?\n\n2. If NO, Read the FAQs.\n\n3. IF YES, you wouldn\'t have posted such drivel. The "Lord, Liar\n or Lunatic" argument is a false trilemma. Even if you disprove\n Liar and Lunatic (which you haven\'t), you have not eliminated\n the other possibilities, such as Mistaken, Misdirected, or\n Misunderstood. You have arbitrarily set up three and only\n three possibilities without considering others.\n\n4. Read a good book on rhetoric and critical thinking. If\n you think the "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" discussion is an\n example of a good argument, you are in need of learning.\n\n5. Read the FAQs again, especially "Constructing a Logical\n Argument."\n\nIgnore these instructions at your peril. Disobeying them\nleaves you open for righteous flaming.\n\n\n-- \nMaddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com\nCentigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553\n\nKids, please don\'t try this at home. Remember, I post professionally.\n\n',
"From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase)\nSubject: Re: Upgrading PB170 Memory\nOrganization: Los Alamos National Laboratory\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.185806.7216@ncar.ucar.edu>, bill@lhotse.hao.ucar.edu\n(Bill Roberts) wrote:\n> \n> I have one of the original Powerbook 170's (with 4Mb of Ram) and find\n> that 4Mb is a drag when trying to do my work. So, what is the best way\n> to get the maximum RAM for this unit, and what's it going to cost me?\n> I'm hoping I can get the latest and best info from real users by posting \n> to this group.\n\nWell Bill, There are 2MB soldered on the logic board and 2MB in the RAM\nexpansion slot giving you 4MB. The only thing you can do to upgrade to\nthe maximum Ram is to remove the 2MB expansion and install a 6MB expansion,\ngiving you a total of 8MB which is the max on a 170....You can try calling\nTechWorks, or any other memory vendors out of MacWeek, MacWorld...etc....\n\n<==================================+==================================>\n Peter Haase + Internet: haase@meediv.lanl.gov\n Network Manager + Los Alamos National Laboratory\n",
'From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond)\nSubject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?\nOriginator: c23tvr@koptsy17\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 34\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.053516.28846@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes:\n> >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) \n> >writes:\n> >> \n> >> \n> >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. \n> >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible)\n> >> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from\n> >> the same hailstorm yet?\n> >> \n> >> Craig\n> >\n> >\n> >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would \n> >be about $10k.\n> \n> I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as\n> you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body. \n> \n> Craig\n> >\n> >\n> >--\n> >--\n> > John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com\n> > The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the\n> > *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that\n> > everyone *will* be happy.\n> \n> \nThere was a Volvo owner that had $3000 dollars worth of improvements to the \nlooks of the car by hail :).\n',
'From: foster@mtechca.maintech.com\nSubject: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.\nOrganization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA.\nLines: 64\n\nIn article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu \n(Dennis Kriz) writes:\n\n[ a lot of religious opinions and quotations from the Bible and from \nmany Catholic theologians and Papal Bulls ]\n\n[ which, although introduced with a smiley, was not as funny as it\nmight have been (notable exception: subject headers such as "ONE\'S \nDICK IS ONE\'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION." ]\n\n[ and indeed, the posting seemed to be more a vehicle for the\nreligious text than for any "literary/moral analysis" ]\n\nI am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior\nfrom the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We\'re-\nThe-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought \nthat Catholics behaved better than this.\n\nFriend Dennis, I urge you to follow the example of your fellow\nCatholics, of who I count many dozens as my friends, and practice\nyour faith through good example and decent living and respect\nfor the common humanity of others. Please do not stoop to the\nlevel of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think\nthat the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,\ninsulting and overbearingly self-righteous.\n\nThe imagery in the Song of Solomon is a little bit dated (get it? \nMiddle East - date palms - oh, never mind) but apparently acceptable, \non a steaminess level, to be accepted as part of the canon. From\nthis fact I derive that erotica itself is not incompatible with\nCatholic doctrine.\n\nIs there such a thing as Catholic erotica? Not necessarily a love\nstory between people of that faith, but a love story that is not\nexploitative, does not seek redemption through penis size, pays\nproper respect to the dignity of each partner, and is still erotic\nenough to have a place on a.s.s.\n\nI would submit that the _Darknites_ series of stories qualify, also\nmost of the _Journal Entries_, and _Rings I and II_.\n\nI would guess that your aim is to cut down on the pornography and\nincrease the erotica. I actually agree with you that nearly all of\nthe "I\'ve got an enormous dick, and I shot my wad all over her face"\nstories are crap. I count them as noise, which makes my take on the\nsignal-to-noise ration much lower than many other people\'s.\n\nSince you are one of the few posters here who can actually write \ndecent prose, could you write a few stories for us instead of\noverwhelming us with commentary? \n\n> Anyway, this is a big subject. PLEASE add your comments,\n> additions and observations.\n> \n> Sincerely,\n> \n> dennis\n> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu\n> \n-- \nThank you.\n\nJeff\nfoster@mtechca.maintech.com\n',
"From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)\nSubject: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA\nLines: 15\n\nAnybody seen the date get stuck?\n\nI'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine\nis left running all the time.\n\nSuddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate\nallways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves\nexiting the menu system to get to DOS.\n\nAnyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether\nthe hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken?\n-- \nKevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )\nvoice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA 93035\nNon-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.\n",
'From: pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski)\nSubject: Re: Founding Father questions\nNntp-Posting-Host: bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]\nLines: 21\n\narc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:\n>Wasn\'t she the one making the comment in \'88 about George being born with\n>a silver foot in his mouth? Sounds like another damn politician to me.\n>\n>Ain\'t like the old days in Texas anymore. The politicians may have been\n>corrupt then, but at least they\'d take a stand. (My apologies to a few\n>exceptions I can think of.) \n>\n>News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so \n>her "opposition" out of her concern for image (she\'s even said this\n>publicly) may not matter.\n\nDo people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did?\n-- \n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nSteve Podleski\t\t\t| phone: 216-433-4000\nNASA Lewis Research Center \t| \nCleveland, Ohio 44135 \t| email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
'From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah)\nSubject: Re: Saturn performance(was Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing\nNntp-Posting-Host: cec1\nOrganization: Washington University, St. Louis MO\nDistribution: na\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <4fjDcfu00iV2I9Kap_@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>>I can\'t imagine any Civic or Saturn owners flex\'n there egos in stop light\n>>races. It generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other\n>>in a game of one-on-one basketball!!\n>\n>The SL2 does 0-60 in about 8.5; note that this is closer to a 968 than\n>to a Paseo or Storm (pseudo-sporty cars). That\'s a ridiculous\n>comparison, I know, but the point is that Saturns (and high-end Civics,\n>for that matter) accelerate just fine, in fact better than most\n>unimproved "muscle" cars of the 60s; 300 hp is great, but tied to 2\n>tons, it just doesn\'t go that quick. Saturns, on the other hand, use 125\n>hp tied to 2400 lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the\n>line. Anyway....\n>\n>\n>\n\nWhile your 0-60 time is consistent with most car magazines and reports, I saw\nthe PBS MotorWeek show clock a 5-speed SL2 at 7.9 seconds. I\'m sure that most\nSL2 owners will be VERY lucky to get this speed, but 7.9 seconds is still\nastonishingly fast for a small 4-door. A new Civic EX runs about 8.2 seconds\n0-60, if I\'m not mistaken. Most cars in this class are lucky to be in the\n9-second range.\n\n\nMihir Shah\n\n',
"From: carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com\nSubject: 1993 Infiniti G20\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nLines: 26\n\n\nI am thinking about getting an Infiniti G20.\nIn consumer reports it is ranked high in many\ncatagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars.\nMitsubushi Galant was second followed by Honda Accord).\n\nA couple of things though:\n1) In looking around I have yet to see anyone driving this\n car. I see lots of Honda's and Toyota's.\n2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully\n loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match\n up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993\n version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.\n\nI guess my question is: Is this a good deal? \nAlso, Can anyone give me any feedback on Infiniti?\n\nThanks,\n\nCarl Hoffman\n\nP.S.\n\nThe other cars that I have test driven and which are in the\nrunning are:\nMitsubishi Galant, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camary\n",
'From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)\nSubject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?)\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nRE: Red, wwhite, and black, the colors of the Imperial German war-flag --\n\nGo further back still. There are +XVIII Prussian drinking songs\ncelebrating the red, the white and the black -- the colors, as Fletcher\nPratt points out, of blood and iron.\n-- Diccon Frankborn\n',
'From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Militello update\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <93602@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes:\n>\n>HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who\'ve been knocking my prediction of Baltimore.\n\nUm. How many games have the Orioles won?\n\n>You flooded my mailbox with cries of "Militello\'s good, Militello\'s good."\n\nHe is, or will be.\n\n>Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first\n>outing. He\'s not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? Please don\'t tell\n>me you\'re relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the \n>*fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. \n\nNo, currently there\'s no room for him in the rotation. Key is having\na Most Impressive April. Abbott is pitching well. Perez is back.\nWickman has pitched his way into the rotation, and is holding his spot\nwith an outstanding performance his last time out. And Kamieniecki\nisn\'t doing too poorly himself.\n\nIf the Yankees find themselves in need of a starter, Militello will\nget another chance. Until then, he\'ll have to wait in line.\n\n-Valentine\n',
'From: seanmcd@ac.dal.ca\nSubject: PowerPC ruminations; was Re: LCIII->PowerPC?\nOrganization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <186177@pyramid.pyramid.com>, andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) writes:\n> In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu\n> (David Joshua Mirsky) writes:\n> |> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.\n> |> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.\n> |> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS\n> |> slot. Is that true?\n> |> \n> |> Thanks\n> |> David Mirsky\n> |> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu\n> \n> Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed:\n> \n> \tOne "socket" for an additional VRAM SIMM\n> \n> \tOne "socket" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM\n> \n> \tOne socket for a flat-pack FPU\n> \n> \tA processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with\n> \tan additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit\n> \tdata path that the LC/LC II lacked\n> \n> That\'s it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit\n> in the PDS, but that\'s the only place.\n> \nSo, will it be possible to have a NuBus or PDS PowerPC upgrade, or will it \nrequire a logic board swap? It would be interesting for Apple to come out with\na NuBus PowerPC that allowed use of the CPU\'s 680x0, like RocketShare. But I \nguess that\'s getting a bit fantastic!\n\nI was wondering, since MacWeek reported that developers were \'seeded\' with\nPowerPCs on a NuBus card.\n\nAlso, any word on machine arrivals or estimated speed? Last I heard, the \nestimates were around 3-4 times the speed of a Quadra in native RISC mode. I\nheard an Apple employee mumble something about the arrival of PowerPC machines\nat a much earlier date that Q1 94, but I doubt it\'s true.\n\nFinally, is the PowerPC developer\'s CD \'mini-course\' available? I saw it \nadvertised in the developer\'s university calendar, and I\'d like to know if it\'s\nat all *interesting*.\n\nSean\n--------------\nseanmcd@ac.dal.ca\n',
"From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Connemara - Computing for People\nLines: 43\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu\nX-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89)\nTo: \nBcc: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk\nStatus: OR\n\nIn article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:\n>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to\n>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was\n>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I\n>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the\n>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).\n>\n>Did I do the right thing?\n\nWell, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks,\nor to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic.\nNow I just try to get them off my tail.\n\nIn heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in\nfront to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the \njerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch\ninto one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a\nbetter eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than\nfrom in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.\n\nIn traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass,\nI might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name,\n(still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail. \n\nIf this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps \n(for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get\nmy adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks. \n\nA ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for\nme) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger. In the worst case,\nyelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a\ncage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike. \n\nOn the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last\nvehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk\nwaiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing\nillegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police).\n\nLike almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary.\n\n--\nDenis McKeon\t\ngalway@chtm.eece.unm.edu\n",
"From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: It's all Mary's fault!\nOrganization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nYou know, it just occurred to me today that this whole Christian thing\ncan be blamed solely on Mary.\n\nSo, she's married to Joseph. She gets knocked up. What do you think\nol' Joe will do if he finds she's been getting around? So Mary comes up\nwith this ridiculous story about God making her pregnant. Actually, it\ncan't be all THAT ridiculous, considering the number of people that\nbelieve it. Anyway, she never tells anyone the truth, and even tells\npoor little Jesus that he's hot shit, the Son of God. Everyone else\ntells him this too, since they've bought Mary's story. So, what does\nMary actually turn out to be? An adultress and a liar, and the cause of\nmankind's greatest folly...\n\nJust my recently-minted two cents.\n\nChris\n\n----------------------\nChris Leger\nSophomore, Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering\nRemember...if you don't like what somebody is saying, you can always\nignore them!\n\n",
'From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Department of Industrial Engineering\nLines: 34\n\nSubstituting irony for brains, (Bruce Klopfenstein) said:\n\n>dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n\n>> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we\'re comparing Alomar the individual with\n>> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count. \n\n>I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don\'t\n>count for anything.\n\nUh, right. You also forgot that you can\'t get an RBI (barring a HR) with\nnobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR?\n\nMost runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the\nbatter did something good. I use the phrase "happened to be" advisedly.\nLots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the\nmost ability to "turn it up a notch" in clutch/RBI/whatever situations, and\nwhat they\'ve found is that there is no evidence that *anyone* has such an\nability to any measurable extent. There are no clutch hitters. People who\ntend to do things that *would* cause an RBI if there were somebody on base\nend up getting RBIs proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by\nbeing in position. \n\n>My mistake.\n\nI agree.\n\n\n\n-- \n David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick \n member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning\n | And in Denver they call you a slugger?\n "The Big Catullus" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!?\n',
'From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)\nSubject: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 70\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu\nIn-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au\'s message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:36:55 GMT\n\nIn article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:\n>WHAT\'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC\n\n>1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED?\n>In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The\n>Man Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of\n>rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this\n>hideous vision of the future. Observers were\n>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the\n>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the\n>side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged\n>for the ad to promote Arnold\'s latest movie.\n\nWell, if you\'re going to get upset with this, you might as well direct\nsome of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered\nthis capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA.\n(Sign of the times: a Sony logo on a Soyuz launcher...)\n\n>Now, Space Marketing\n>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on\n>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth\n>orbit.\n\nThis sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone\nknow if he\'s involved?\n\n>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,\n>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates\n>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This\n>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of\n>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the\n>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone\n>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.\n\nThis may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My\nguess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to\nbuild large, inflatable space structures.\n\n>..........\n>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize\n>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.\n\nIf this is true, I think it\'s a great idea.\n\nLearning how to build to build structures in space in an essential\nstep towards space development, and given that Freedom appears to be\nshrinking towards the vanishing point, I question whether NASA\'s space\nstation is going to provide much, if any, knowledge in this area.\n(Especially if a design such as Faget\'s wingless orbiter is chosen...)\nIf such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates\ncreative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so\nmuch the better.\n\n>Is NASA really supporting this junk?\n\nAnd does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN\nnews blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the "wild\nidea" stage or does it have real funding?\n\n>Are protesting groups being organized in the States?\n\nNot yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return\nof Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable...\n--\n_______________________________________________________________________________\n\nBrian Yamauchi\t\t\tCase Western Reserve University\nyamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu\tDepartment of Computer Engineering and Science\n_______________________________________________________________________________\n\n',
'From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)\nSubject: Re: Intel, the Pentium and Linux\nArticle-I.D.: openage.1993Apr04.175934.8526\nOrganization: Open Age, Inc.\nLines: 40\n\nINABU@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Arnd Burghardt) writes:\n\n>Hi folks,\n> \n>Yesterday i visited the CEBIT (hannover, germany), where Intel was presenting\n>the Pentium (586) processor. They had four (in words 4) machines with this\n>beast running. So they presented it nicely (unly by running picture shows),\n>this i could do on a 80286 ;-)). The presentor promised it to be binary\n>compatible to the i486, and I said I don\'t believe. I showed him a ONE_DISK_\n>Linux-System (Emergency disk, with patched lilo to boot from disk), and said\n>him : Convice me, boot this : No guts, no glory ! A he decided no glory.\n>He won\'t let anybody touch his holy cows, and not even boot a suspect OS.\n> \n>I thought by myself \'This is the coward of the day\' and went back to earth.\n> \n>What cn we learn : this technology is far from industrial-standarts, so you\n>can expect this beast in your local computer-shop at least in spring next\n>year....\n> \n>only my 2cents....\n\nYes only your $00.02. Here\'s mine.\n\nIf I were running at a new chip at a Trade show, and had little to no real\ntechnical knowledge, I wouldn\'t let some stranger with a diskette boot my demo\nmachine. If the demo machine is down too long people will not see my nice\ndemos, and if this purposted LINUX diskette is really something that will wipe\nthe disk, or is loaded with a VIRUS!, I\'m in deep trouble.\n\nNo marketer in their right mind would let you do this, unless they had\nspecifically invited people to do so, and provided machines to do it with.\n\nWe can we learn : This technology will be shipping from PC vendors in May 1993,\nand will be i486 compatible.\n\n-- \nThe Golden Gryphon \t\t\t\tgryphon@openage.COM\n"The Crown Jewel of the American Prison System." - President Bill\nClinton on living in The White House.\nOpenage - The Premier SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area\n',
"From: alex@talus.msk.su (Alex Kolesov)\nSubject: Help on RenderMan language wanted!\nReply-To: alex@talus.msk.su\nOrganization: unknown\nLines: 17\n\nHello everybody !\n\nIf you are using PIXAR'S RenderMan 3D scene description language for creating 3D worlds, please, help me. \n\nI'm using RenderMan library on my NeXT but there is no documentation about NeXTSTEP version of RenderMan available. I can create very complicated scenes and render them using surface shaders, \nbut I can not bring them to life by applying shadows and reflections.\n\nAs far as I understand I have to define environmental and shadows maps to produce reflections and shadows, but I do not know how to use them.\n\nAny advises or simple RIB or C examples will be appreciated.\nThanks in advance...\n\n---\nAlex Kolesov Moscow, Russia.\nTalus Imaging & Communications Corporation\ne-mail: <alex@talus.msk.su> \t\t(NeXT mail accepted) \t\t\t \n. \n",
'From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: DSI/USCRPAC\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>\nholland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n\n>Note that measures to protect yourself from\n>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.\n\nI think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially.\nEven Macs.\n\nDavid\n-- \nDavid Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n our information, errors and omissions excepted. \n\n\n',
"From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)\nSubject: Re: Conductive Plastic, what happened?\nOrganization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT\nLines: 7\n\nIf you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe\ncontau\x08iners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with\na resistance less than 10 to the fouth\x08\x08rth power ohms per cubic measure\nis classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02\n($0.016 US).\n\nBob.\n",
'From: rjb@akgua.att.com\nSubject: Re: When are two people married in God\'s eyes?\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 69\n\nIn article <Apr.23.02.55.25.1993.3117@geneva.rutgers.edu>, rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) writes:\n> In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says:\n> \n> >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged\n> >couple become "married" in God\'s eyes? Some say that if the two have\n> >publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and\n> >are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective\n> >qualifier) they are married/joined in God\'s sight.\n> \n> I have discussed this with my girlfriend often. I consider myself married,\n> though legally I am not. Neither of us have been with other people sexually,\n> although we have been with each other. We did not have sexual relations\n> until we decided to marry eventually. For financial and distance reasons,\n> we will not be legally married for another year and a half. Until then,\n> I consider myself married for life in God\'s eyes. I have faith that we\n> have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be\n> full of joy when we marry in a church. First, however, we must find a\n> church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to\n> find a new church community).\n> \n> Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are\n> married and are bound by that commitment.\n> \n> -- \n> \t\t\t\t\t\t-Rick Szanto\n\n\nRick has nailed the problem down pretty well.\n\nAs I can find no Scripture (have I missed it ?) that details\nwhen you are married, I have to make some assumptions based\non the PRINCIPLES of Scripture. \n\nIt seems to me that it takes 3 parties to make a marriage:\nhusband-to-be, wife-to-be, and God. If you promise before\neach other and God that you will convenant together to be\nmarried, then...you are (IMO).\n\nSo why do we have the ceremonial part ? That seems to be\nthere for "connectedness" in the Body of Christ. My brothers\nand sisters ought to be involved so that there can be some\naccountability on both our parts. That\'s part of the concept\nfrom Hebrews about "not forsaking the assembling of yourselves\ntogether as is the custom of some." We need each other because\nLone Ranger Christians and Lone Ranger Marriages smack of a\nself sufficiency that the I don\'t see in the NT. Does anyone\nsee the Paul Simon "I am a rock, I am an island..." model anywhere\nin Christianity. (Song lyrics show your age :-) ) ?\n\nFurther, since marriage is a legal matter/institution in the USA\nand many other places, and such laws do not specifically go\ncrosswise to the clear teachings of Scripture, we ought to\nobey them to avoid even the appearance of "evil" (I Thess 5:22)\n\nSo this would imply at least a civil ceremony before marriage,\nbut keep in mind we are at least doing all of this for the \nconscience of others because back to the beginning...you are\nmarried when you and your intended promise each other and God\nto be in convenant. (IMO)\n\nWhat ch\'all think ?\n\nBobby - akgua!rjb\n\n[In some states, the kind of commitment described in Richard Szanto\'s\nposting can create a common law marriage. Indeed his posting itself\nmight go a long way towards establishing that a marriage exists,\nshould the issue ever end up in court. He might want to consult a\nlawyer who is familiar with common law marriage in his state. --clh]\n',
'From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nOrganization: Microsoft Corporation\nLines: 23\n\nIn rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:\n;In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:\n;\n;>Most people wave or return my wave when I\'m on my Harley.\n;>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I\'m on my\n;>duck. Squids don\'t wave, or return waves ever, even to each\n;>other, from what I can tell.\n;\n; When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!\n\nThe problem is that Squids and BadAssBikers can\'t recognize\neach other\'s waves. When you\'re riding a cruiser, you "wave"\nby lifting two or three fingers of the left hand, without\nfirst removing that hand from the handlebar. When you\'re\nriding a crotch rocket, you lower the left hand to about\nankle level, palm forward, and call that a wave.\n\nGeneric bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely\noff the handlebar and wave it around, so it\'s easy to tell\nwhen they\'re waving.\n\n---\nchris\n',
'From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)\nSubject: NuTek Email?\nOrganization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH\nLines: 9\n\nDoes NuTek (or anyone at NuTek) have an email address?\n\nIf not, why not? =)\n\n-- \n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\nGood Things: Books by Robert Heinlein, Music by Enya, Computers by Apple,\n Humor by Dave Barry, Thursday nights on NBC, and Scotland.\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scot Salmon (scot@jlc.mv.com) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n',
"From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kokopeli)\nSubject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 35\n\ntedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n\n\n>From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991\n>>\n\n>>Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees.\n\n>Dunno what happened to him.\n\nMaybe I can help you. He's a major league coach with the Rockies.\nSo above prediction is doubly wrong.\n\nMy prediction: The Red Sox-Cubs Series and Vikings-Broncos SuperBore will\noccur at the end of the world.\n\nAnd one Rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this \nyear.\n\nAnd no Rockie starter will have an ERA below 3.50.\n\nAnd the Rangers fade will not begin until...August. They'll give way\nto the Angels. But still challenge to the end.\n\nReally. Not making any of this up. If I am, may God strike me down *ZZZZZZT*\n\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n>Thanks for listening!\n>-Valentine\n-- \nDylan Wilbanks, Environ. Con : The official USENET rabid fan of the \nmajor, U of Colorado, Boulder: Colorado Rockies. Clip this .sig for \nPO Box 1143, Boulder, CO : 20% off on your next Rockies woof!!!\n80306-1143. Life is bigger. : (this space intenionally blank)\n",
"From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui)\nSubject: IN CASE A DEAL IS A LEMON ....\nNntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu\nOrganization: Auburn University Engineering\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 22\n\n\nHi to all.\n\nSince all of you could also be a seller as well as a buyer, I'd like to bring\nthis issue for discussion - what would be the best solution in case a deal \nbecame a lemon?\n\nAs I understand most people selling things over the net do not grant a warranty,I am in such a situation that the seller did not state whether a warranty would be granted or not and the item I received is out of order. The seller insisted\nthat it was 'in good condition' when he sent it and so would just return half ofthe amount that I paid if I send the item back to him and after he is sured it\nis bad. Is this reasonable?\n\nBasically I would like to believe the seller tells the truth. Also, I am positively to say that I've not done anything wrong which might cause the failure of \nthe thing. My assumption here is everyone is honest - so rule out the possibility that either one of the two parties or both are liars.\n\nI would like to hear your opinion - either in here or directly respond to my\ne-mail address.\n\nI know there is such a risk that you could lose money. But, how can we make it\nenjoyable to most people and not wasting the bandwidth?\n\nchein\n\n",
'From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)\nSubject: Re: Whats wrong with my cordlessphone?\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 8\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\n\nI\'ve also found that the electronic starters on these "instant-on" \ncompact fluourescent lamp fixtures kick out interference that nukes\nmy cordless phone. (I can hear it in my guitar amplifier, too...)\n--\npaul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... \n .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . .\n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . \n . . . . . . . . happens . \n',
'Subject: Space FAQ 02/15 - Network Resources\nFrom: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nExpires: 6 May 1993 19:54:26 GMT\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\nSupersedes: <net_730956391@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nLines: 241\n\nArchive-name: space/net\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:15 $\n\nNETWORK RESOURCES\n\nOVERVIEW\n\n You may be reading this document on any one of an amazing variety of\n computers, so much of the material below may not apply to you. In\n general, however, systems connected to \'the net\' fall in one of three\n categories: Internet, Usenet, or BITNET. Electronic mail may be sent\n between these networks, and other resources available on one of these\n networks are sometimes accessible from other networks by email sent to\n special \'servers\'.\n\n The space and astronomy discussion groups actually are composed of\n several mechanisms with (mostly) transparent connections between them.\n\n One mechanism is the mailing list, in which mail is sent to a central\n distribution point which relays it to all recipients of the list. In\n addition to the general lists for space (called SPACE Digest for\n Internet users, and SPACE on BITNET), there are a number of more\n specialized mailing lists described below.\n\n A second mechanism is Usenet \'netnews\'. This is somewhat like a bulletin\n board operating on each system which is a part of the net. Netnews\n separates contributions into hundreds of different categories based on a\n \'group name\'. The groups dealing most closely with space topics are\n called \'sci.space.news\', \'sci.space\', \'sci.space.shuttle\', \'sci.astro\',\n and \'talk.politics.space\'. Contributors \'post\' submissions (called\n \'articles\' in netnews terminology) on their local machine, which sends\n it to other nearby machines. Similarly, articles sent from nearby\n machines are stored locally and may be forwarded to other systems, so\n that an article is posted locally and eventually reaches all the Usenet\n sites interested in receiving the news group to which the article was\n posted.\n\n Gateway machines redirect the Usenet sci.space group into Internet and\n BITNET mailing lists and vice versa; the other Usenet groups are not\n accessible as mailing lists. If you can receive netnews, its more\n flexible interface and access to a wider range of material usually make\n it the preferred option.\n\nMAILING LISTS\n\n SPACE Digest is the main Internet list, and is now being run by the\n International Space University (in only its second change of management\n in over a decade). Email space-request@isu.isunet.edu (message body\n should be in the format \'subscribe space John Public\') to join. Note\n that the moderated SPACE Magazine list is defunct at present for lack of\n a moderator. Old copies of SPACE Digest since its inception in 1981 are\n available by anonymous FTP. Retrieve\n\tjulius.cs.qub.ac.uk:pub/SpaceDigestArchive/README\n for further details.\n\n Elements is a moderated list for fast distribution of Space Shuttle\n Keplerian Elements before and during Shuttle flights. NASA two line\n elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources\n as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join.\n\n GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning\n System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to\n gps-request@esseye.si.com to join.\n\n Space-investors is a list for information relevant to investing in\n space-related companies. Email Vincent Cate (vac@cs.cmu.edu) to join.\n\n Space-tech is a list for more technical discussion of space topics;\n discussion has included esoteric propulsion technologies, asteroid\n capture, starflight, orbital debris removal, etc. Email to\n space-tech-request@cs.cmu.edu to join. Archives of old digests and\n selected excerpts are available by anonymous FTP from\n gs80.sp.cs.cmu.edu (128.2.205.90) in /usr/anon/public/space-tech,\n or by email to space-tech-request if you don\'t have FTP access.\n\n SEDS-L is a BITNET list for members of Students for the Exploration and\n Development of Space and other interested parties. Email\n LISTSERV@TAMVM1.BITNET with a message saying "SUBSCRIBE SEDS-L your\n name". Email saying "INDEX SEDS-L" to list the archive contents.\n\n SEDSNEWS is a BITNET list for news items, press releases, shuttle status\n reports, and the like. This duplicates material which is also found in\n Space Digest, sci.space, sci.space.shuttle, and sci.astro. Email\n LISTSERV@TAMVM1.BITNET saying "SUBSCRIBE SEDSNEWS your name" to join.\n Email saying "INDEX SEDSNEWS" to list the archive contents.\n\n Ron Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) runs a mailing list which\n carries the contents of the sci.space.news Usenet group. Email him\n to join the list.\n\n As a general note, please mail to the *request* address to get off a\n mailing list. SPACE Digest, for example, relays many inappropriate\n \'please remove me from this list\' messages which are sent to the list\n address rather than the request address.\n\nPERIODICALLY UPDATED INFORMATION\n\n In addition to this FAQ list, a broad variety of topical information is\n posted to the net (unless otherwise noted, in the new group\n sci.space.news created for this purpose). Please remember that the\n individuals posting this information are performing a service for all\n net readers, and don\'t take up their time with frivolous requests.\n\n ACRONYMS\n\tGarrett Wollman (wollman@UVM.EDU) posts an acronym list around the\n\tfirst of each month.\n\n ASTRO-FTP LIST\n\tVeikko Makela (veikko.makela@helsinki.fi) posts a monthly list of\n\tanonymous FTP servers containing astronomy and space related\n\tmaterial to sci.space and sci.astro.\n\n AVIATION WEEK\n\tHenry Spencer (henry@zoo.toronto.edu) posts summaries of\n\tspace-related stories in the weekly _Aviation Week and Space\n\tTechnology_.\n\n BUYING TELESCOPES\n\tRonnie Kon (ronnie@cisco.com) posts a guide to buying telescopes to\n\tsci.astro.\n\n ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF THE ASA\n\tDon Barry (don@chara.gsu.edu) posts the monthly Electronic Journal\n\tof the Astronomical Society of the Atlantic to sci.astro.\n\n FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL\n\tSwaraj Jeyasingh (sjeyasin@axion.bt.co.uk) posts summaries of\n\tspace-related news from _Flight International_. This focuses more on\n\tnon-US space activities than Aviation Week.\n\n LARGE ASTRONOMICAL PROJECTS\n\tRobert Bunge (rbunge@access.digex.com) posts a list describing many\n\t"Large Telescope Projects Either Being Considered or in the Works"\n\tto sci.astro.\n\n NASA HEADLINE NEWS & SHUTTLE REPORTS\n\tPeter Yee (yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov) posts a variety of NASA material,\n\tincluding NASA Headline News (with the schedule for NASA SELECT),\n\tshuttle payload briefings and flight manifests, and KSC shuttle\n\tstatus reports. For Usenet users, much of this material appears in\n\tthe group sci.space.shuttle.\n\n NASA UPDATES\n\tRon Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) posts frequent updates from\n\tJPL, Ames, and other centers on the Ulysses, Gailileo, Pioneer,\n\tMagellan, Landsat, and other missions.\n\n ORBITAL ELEMENT SETS\n\tTS Kelso (tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil) posts orbital elements from\n\tNASA Prediction Bulletins.\n\n\tMike Rose (mrose@stsci.edu) posts orbital elements for the Hubble\n\tSpace Telescope to sci.astro.\n\n\tJost Jahn (j.jahn@abbs.hanse.de) posts ephemerides for asteroids,\n\tcomets, conjunctions, and encounters to sci.astro.\n\n SATELLITE LAUNCHES\n\tRichard Langley (lang@unb.ca) posts SPACEWARN Bulletin, which\n\tdescribes recent launch/orbital decay information and satellites\n\twhich are useful for scientific activities. Recent bulletins are\n\tavailable by anonymous FTP from nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov in\n\tANON_DIR:[000000.ACTIVE.SPX].\n\n SHUTTLE MANIFEST\n\tKen Hollis (gandalf@pro-electric.cts.com) posts a compressed version\n\tof the Space Shuttle launch manifest to sci.space.shuttle. This\n\tincludes dates, times, payloads, and information on how to see\n\tlaunches and landings.\n\n SOLAR ACTIVITY\n\tCary Oler (oler@hg.uleth.ca) posts Solar Terrestrial reports\n\t(describing solar activity and its effect on the Earth) to\n\tsci.space. The report is issued in part from data released by the\n\tSpace Enviroment Services Center, Boulder Colorado. The intro\n\tdocument needed to understand these reports is available by\n\tanonymous FTP from solar.stanford.edu (36.10.0.4) in\n\tpub/understanding_solar_terrestrial_reports. nic.funet.fi\n\t(128.214.6.100) also has this document in\n\t/pub/misc/rec.radio.shortwave/solarreports and is an archive site\n\tfor the reports (please note this site is in Europe, and the\n\tconnection to the US is only 56KB). A new primary archive site,\n\txi.uleth.ca (142.66.3.29), has recently been established and will be\n\tactively supported.\n\n SOVIET SPACE ACTIVITIES\n\tGlenn Chapman (glennc@cs.sfu.ca) posts summaries of Soviet space\n\tactivities.\n\n SPACE ACTIVIST NEWSLETTER\n\tAllen Sherzer (aws@iti.org) posts a newsletter, "One Small Step for\n\ta Space Activist," to talk.politics.space. It describes current\n\tlegislative activity affecting NASA and commercial space activities.\n\n SPACE EVENTS CALENDAR\n\tRon Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) posts a calendar including\n\tanniversaries, conferences, launch dates, meteor showers and\n\teclipses, and other space-related events.\n\n SPACE NEWS\n\tJohn Magliacane (kd2bd@ka2qhd.UUCP) posts "SpaceNews" (covering\n\tAMSATs, NOAA and other weather satellites, and other ham\n\tinformation) to rec.radio.amateur.misc and sci.space.\n\n SPACE REPORT\n\tJonathan McDowell (mcdowell@cfa.harvard.edu) posts "Jonathan\'s Space\n\tReport" covering launches, landings, reentries, status reports,\n\tsatellite activities, etc.\n\n TOWARD 2001\n\tBev Freed (freed@nss.fidonet.org) posts "Toward 2001", a weekly\n\tglobal news summary reprinted from _Space Calendar_ magazine.\n\n\nWARNING ABOUT NON-PUBLIC NETWORKS\n\n (Included at the suggestion of Eugene Miya, who wrote the item)\n\n NASA has an internal system of unclassified electronic mail and bulletin\n boards. This system is not open for public use. Specifically, NASA\n personnel and procurement operations are regarded with some sensitivity.\n Contractors must renegotiate their contracts. The Fair and Open\n Procurement Act does not look kindly to those having inside information.\n Contractors and outsiders caught using this type of information can\n expect severe penalities. Unauthorized access attempts may subject you\n to a fine and/or imprisonment in accordance with Title 18, USC, Section\n 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact\n NASA personnel.\n\n Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None\n have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers\n detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA\n Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write\n\n\tNASA\n\tInspector General\n\tP.O. Box 23089\n\tL\'enfant Plaza Station\n\tWashington DC 20024\n\nNEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc.\n',
'From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)\nSubject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism\nOrganization: University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <Apr.11.01.02.34.1993.17784@athos.rutgers.edu> Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org writes:\n\n\tI realize I\'m entering this discussion rather late, but I do\nhave one question. Wasn\'t it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a\npentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior\nwho saw no problem with deforestation since we were "living in the\nlast days" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods\nanyway?\n\n-- \nTerrance Heath\t\t\t\theath@athena.cs.uga.edu\n******************************************************************\nYOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK!\n******************************************************************\n',
'From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)\nSubject: Re: Swimming pool defense\nLines: 24\nOrganization: Pitzer College\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n>In article <dasmith.734719640@husc.harvard.edu> dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (\nDavid Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will \nimprove these kids\' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what \ninner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when \nthere is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs? \n>\n>What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so\n>much more money to be made dealing drugs?\n>\n>Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner\n>city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids\n>are incapable of doing legitimate work?\n\nI suppose the correct answer is not "family values"?\n\nS\'pose not. Never mind. Sorry.\n\n--King "Sparky" Banaian |"It\'s almost as though young\nkbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |white guys get up in the\nDept. of Economics, Pitzer College |morning and have a big smile\nLatest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% |on their face ... because,\n |you know, Homer wrote the\n |_Iliad_." -- D\'Souza\n',
'From: Wil.Chin@launchpad.unc.edu (Wilson Chin)\nSubject: Re: DATman for sale.\nNntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu\nOrganization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <bdavisC4yuM3.K3J@netcom.com> bdavis@netcom.com (Bryan Davis)\nwrites: \n>Sony TCD-D3 DAT walkman for sale. Hardly used, still under\n>warrantee. Comes with optical digital input/output as well as standard\n>RCA analog cables. Includes recharable battery, charger, and AC adaptor. \n>$650.00 or best offer. \n\nJust to inform the readers of newsrc Sony has just introduced a new DATman,\nthe TCD-D7 which is smaller and less expensive than the D3. Also, the D7\nhas a coaxial jack which the D3 lacks. Oh, the D3 has always been\navailable through mail-order houses for less than $700 dollars new... with\nthe new model coming out, I suspect the now obsolete D3 will be selling for \neven less. \n \n--\n The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of\n North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information\n Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.\n internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80\n',
'From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)\nSubject: Re: Accident report\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \nNntp-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes...\n>In article <ranck.253@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:\n>--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes:\n>--\n>-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up\n>-->to the truck. \n>--\n>--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely.\n>--Around here, and many other places, people just don\'t signal at all.\n>--And, sometimes the signals aren\'t working. Sometimes they get left on.\n> \n>\tThe scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear-\n>lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I\'ve learned that the only\n>reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once -\n>some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING\n>to occur in front of you :-). (It\'s not just the Dutch though)\n> \n>\tHowever I never realised how much I relied on this until I got \n>caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn\'t work AT ALL. Once \n>I\'d sussed it out it wasn\'t so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but \n>it\'s a great way to find out that you\'ve been following someone too \n>closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, \'cos that split \n>second can make all the difference (though it shouldn\'t be necessary, I \n>know),\n> \n>Owen.\n\tWhat used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear\nindicators. You\'d see a single red light come on and think, "Now, is he\nstopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody\n_red_ rear indicators?" This being Survival 101, you have to assume he\'s\nbraking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes\nout and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it\'s a bloody _red_\nrear indicator.\n\nIvan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. \t\t\tivan@cvax.psi.ch\nGSX600F, RG250WD.\tSI=2.66 "You Porsche. Me pass!"\tDoD #484\n',
'From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nSubject: Re: My \'93 picks (with only one comment)\nArticle-I.D.: master.1psqpdINNh9v\nReply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman\nLines: 47\nNNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\n\nIn article <12786@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) \nwrites:\n> In article <1psbg8INNgjj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>\n> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:\n> >In article <jfr2.733938351@Ra.MsState.Edu> jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. \n> >Russell) writes:\n> >> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:\n> >> >National League West\n> >> >\tCincinnati ----\n> >> >\tHouston 5.0\n> >> >\tAtlanta 8.0\n> >> ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees \n> >> of the 20\'s and 30\'s has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and \n> >> years to come) Braves. I don\'t think that the All-Star team will be able \n> >This may be an appropriate comparison.\n> >The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing \n> >18, 16 and 13-1/2 games out of first. \n> >In 1933,\'34 and \'35 they also finished second ( though they were only\n> >7, 7 and 3 games out).\n> >Even great teams can lose - That\'s why they play the season.\n> >(on the other hand... I\'m still picking the Braves to go all the way)\n\n> Um, surely you didn\'t intend to compare the \'93 Reds with the\n> 29 Philidelphia A\'s. The Yankees were finishing 2nd to\n> a team that was as good as the 26-28 Yankees, while the\n> Yankees had aged some from their peak years. Ruth and Gehrig\n> couldn\'t play every position simultaneously.\n> \n> IMO, given the various ages of the Braves and Reds this season,\n> that the Braves will be closer to their peak, while the Reds\n> have slightly passed their peak.\n> \n> Also, if you\'re going to compare Braves and Yankees, a more appropriate\n> comparison to the \'93 Braves might be the \'23 Yankees. \n> After falling short two years in a row in exciting World Series,\n> both teams won/will win the Series this year, despite the\n> heroics of some old fart on the other team. \n> (Casey Stengel/ Dave Winfield???)\n\nPerhaps so. I was only responding to the "Yankees of the 20\'s and 30\'s" \npart of the comment. If those teams were a \'sure thing\' and lost, \nthen it\'s probably not so unreasonable for someone to pick another \nteam (not that I did).\n\njohn rickert\nrickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\nGo Brewers!\n',
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on\n>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that\n>> ^^^^^\n>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? \n>\n>>I\'m curious why you think that particular adjective is important.\n>\n>I\'m curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several\n>different news groups, including something along the lines of \n>alt.discrimination. \n\nExsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.\nYour post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted\nto two of those three (omitting soc.motss).\n\nNow, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer \nthe question posed? If your statement is so "beign"(!?), you should have no\ntrouble politely responding to a polite query.\n-- \nted frank | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I\'m sorry, the card says "Moops."\nthe u of c law school | \nstandard disclaimers | \n',
"From: dls@aeg.dsto.gov.au (David Silver)\nSubject: Re: Fractal Generation of Clouds\nOrganization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.dsto.gov.au\n\nhaabn@nye.nscee.edu (Frederick J. Haab) writes:\n\n\n>I need to implement an algorithm to fractally generate clouds\n>as sort of a benchmark for some algorithms I'm working on.\n\nJust as a matter of interest, a self-promo computer graphics sequence \nthat one of the local TV stations used to play quite a lot a couple of\nyears ago showed a 3D flyover of Australia from the West coast to the\nEast. The clouds were quite recognisable as fuzzy, flat, white\nMandlebrot sets!!\n\nDavid Silver\n\n",
'From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich)\nSubject: Re: Paxil (request)\nOrganization: Virginia\'s Public Education Network (Radford)\nLines: 5\n\nI don\'t know much and in fact, have asked questions here\nmyself. My doctor told me that Paxil is a "cleaner" SRI in that\nit produces fewer side effects. As to a comparison between\nZoloft and Prozac, I\'m not able to remember what he said about\nthe differences between those two drugs. Sorry\n',
'From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton)\nSubject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell\nOrganization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cassia.compnews.co.uk\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\n\nIs anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May.\nI am going, but only to watch.\n\n\n--\n\tWhen asked what would I most want to try before doing it, \n\t\t \t I said Death. \n',
"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nOrganization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.\nLines: 32\n\n\nIn article <sandvik-200493235610@sandvik-kent.apple.com>, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr20.143754.643@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca\n|> (Malcolm Lee) wrote:\n|> > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very\n|> > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch\n|> > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac\n|> > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man,\n|> > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT\n|> > Jesus Christ as he claimed.\n|> \n|> The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never\n|> claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that \n|> he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself.\n|> \n|> He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation,\n|> and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19\n|> children died, and no God saved them.\n|> \n|> Kent\n|> ---\n|> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n\nAnd does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not\neven the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play\nGod by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his\nfollowers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven,\na far better place. How do I know? By faith.\n\nGod be with you,\n\nMalcolm Lee :)\n",
'From: reeds@alice.att.com (Jim Reeds)\nSubject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4)\nSummary: Pop patent law\nArticle-I.D.: alice.25313\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <matt-160493203627@wardibm2.med.yale.edu>, matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) writes:\nand\n> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote:\nand\n> > ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes:\n\nabout Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola and what they can teach us.\n\n\nSurely, if we must use pop patent law examples to discuss RC2 and RC4,\nit would make more sense to consider the case of RC Cola?\n\nJim Reeds\n',
'From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)\nSubject: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace)\nOrganization: Cirrus Logic Inc.\nLines: 85\n\nNow we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands.\nUnbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must\nnever forget...\n\n\n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n\nIn article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:\n>\n>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal\n>\n>\n>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.\n\nNot so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem\nhave been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past.\n\n Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by\n control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race\n or breed. -- Webster\'s Ninth Collegiate Dictionary.\n\n>5. The emergence of a considerable number of \'mixed\'\n>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on\n>\'both sides\' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its\n>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a\n>truly civil society. The existence of a strong \'mixed\' stock of\n>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the\n>Middle-East in a graceful manner.\n\nThis is nothing more than Feisal Husseini\'s statement that the\nZionist entity must be disolved by forcing it to "engage" the\nsurrounding "normal" Arab society.\n\n"a strong mixed stock", "integration of Israeli society into\nthe Middle East in a graceful manner," these are the phrases\nof Nazi racial engineering pure and simple. As if Israeli\nsociety has no right to exist per se!\n\n>3. Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of\n>financial incentives to encourage \'mixed marriages\'. From their\n>point of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People\n>overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of\n>human rights. The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar\n>Bronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he\n>gave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing\n>assimilation of Jews in the world a <calamity>, comparable in its\n>effects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit\n>either because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see\n>above)\n\n"the continued existance of a specific Jewish People overrides\nany other consideration, be it human love, peace of human\nrights." Disolve the Jewish People and protect human values\nsuch as love and peace; yes ve have heard this before Her Himmler.\nNotice how the source of the problem seems to be accruing to\nthe Jews in this analysis. Ya, Der Spiegal ist a gut sourcen...\n\n>5. It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to\n>bring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has\n>merits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than\n>$3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government\n>and by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the\n>Middle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would\n>suffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable\n>climate towards the existence of \'mixed\' marriages in\n>Israel/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a\n>non-segregated society in that worn-torn land.\n\nNice attempt to mix in a slam against U.S. aid to Israel.\n\n>I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as\n>well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful\n>discussion and enrichment.\n>\n>Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND\n\nCritical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos\noff of your bedroom wall, Elias; you\'ll never succeed.\n\n-- Chris Metcalfe\n\n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n\nNow we\'ll find out where you fans really stand...\n',
'From: banz@umbc.edu (Rob Banz)\nSubject: Looking for an R5 Xserver for HP9000/385\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus\nLines: 14\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu\nX-Auth-User: banz\n\n\nSubject says it all...\nAnyone know where I can find one. Binaries are nice, but source would\ndo to. \n\nThanks in advance,\n\n\n\n-- \nRob Banz (banz@umbc.edu)\n\t"If we give people an alternative to Microsoft...it will have been\n\t a greater good."\t -Steve Jobs (UnixWorld, April 1993)\n\t"Yes, Bill, we are your father!" -IBM OS/2 Presentation, FOSE\'93\n',
"From: ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Kevin Kimmell - Computer Science/German Undergrad)\nSubject: HOW is a Null Modem Cable?\nOrganization: Muskingum College\nLines: 13\n\n\n\tI am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null modem\ncable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last statement.) What I'm\nasking is what pins does it use (or what are it's specifications?) I just want\nto solder one myself instead of buying one. I don't even know what port is\nused.\n\nHelp me please (at ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu)\n\nKevin\n\np.s. I'm intending to use the cable for PC-to-PC transfers (via Lap-Link or\nTelix. Ideas and info gladly accepted.)\n",
"Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nFrom: thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca\nOrganization: Alberta Research Council\nNntp-Posting-Host: rhea.arc.ab.ca\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au>, enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:\n\n<<<most of message deleted>>>\n\n> What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that\n> it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).\n\n> Really, really depressed.\n> \n> Enzo\n\nNo need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day\nso there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution.\n",
"From: kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick)\nSubject: How hot should the cpu be?\nOrganization: Brookhaven National Laboratory\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\n\nHow hot should the CPU in a 486-33 DX machine be?\n\nCurrently it gets so hot that I can not hold a finger on it for more than\n0.5 s. \n\nI keep a big fan blowing on it, but am considering using a heat sink.\n\nAny advice?\n\n\n-- \nChris Kushmerick\nkushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov\n--I found my niche in life, I just didn't fit in.\n",
'From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)\nSubject: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 6\n\n;^)\n\nKevin L. Stamber\nPurdue University\n...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews.\n\n',
"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 38\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) says:\n\n>brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:\n>\n>>I think he's talking about a different form of rush. Evidently, it's fun to be\n>>terrified. But hey, if you want that kind of rush, try bobsledding. You may\n>>only get up to 80 or so, but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the\n>>park.\n>\n>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear\n>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using\n>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush\n>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.\n>\n>But in one point You are quite right. If You are terrified at 130 You\n>should better not drive that fast, or You'll be a hazard to others.\n>\n>BTW, before You flame me, read my E-Mail address. I know what I'm \n>talking about, as I live in Germany.\n>\n>>- BK\n>\n>Chris crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de\n\nnot a flame, just a point: I'd be scared at 130 here, not because i feel\n_I_ or my car couldn't handle it, but because of exactly what you said:\ndrivers who are STUPID. Like the ones who are doing 130 also, and so\nthey pull in right behind you at maybe 1-2 car lengths....oh yeah, real\nsmart... This scares me in cities at 50. When i can't see enough of\nthe car to make it recognizable, they are following TOO CLOSE. And \nwhen i see them doing this AND reading a newspaper.....*sigh*...this\nis why America has 55-65 speed limits: our drivers are TOO DUMB to realise\nthat reading the paper should be done at breakfast, or work, not in their\ncar. \n\nmy thoughts..\nDREW\n",
'From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)\nSubject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: corolla18\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:\n|\n|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such\n|a nice boy at RCR I too.\n\nAnd Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".\n\nDave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "We\'re bad-t-the-bone!\n90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | Bad-t-the-bone!"\n84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | -- Universally feared\nAMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | Denizen warcry.\n',
"From: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison)\nSubject: Frequent nosebleeds\nReply-To: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 18\n\n\nI have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic\npredisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). Fortunately,\neach nosebleed is of short duration.\n\nDoes anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers\neach tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds\nsoon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is\nsupposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other\ntechniques.\n-- \nRobert Allison\nOttawa, Ontario CANADA\n",
'From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)\nSubject: Re: Level 5?\nOrganization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov\n\nIn article <19930422.121236.246@almaden.ibm.com>, Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) writes:\n> 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated "Level 5" by a NASA team.\n> This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA.\n\nWill someone tell an ignorant physicist where the term "Level 5" comes\nfrom? It sounds like the RISKS Digest equivalent of Large, Extra\nLarge, Jumbo... Or maybe it\'s like "Defcon 5..."\n\nI gather it means that Shuttle software was developed with extreme\ncare to have reliablility and safety, and almost everything else in\nthe computing world is Level 1, or cheesy dime-store software. Not\nsurprising. But who is it that invents this standard, and how come\neveryone but me seems to be familiar with it?\n\nOf course, what Shakespeare | Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey\nORIGINALLY wrote was "First thing | Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \nwe do, let\'s kill all the EDITORS."| Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET \nBut for some reason it didn\'t | Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV \nsurvive past the first draft. | SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS \n-- David D. "Laserdave" Levine (davidl@ssd.intel.com)\n',
'From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca\nSubject: Re: document of .RTF\nOrganization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <1993Mar30.113436.7339@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, tjyu@eve.kaist.ac.kr (Yu TaiJung) writes:\n> Does anybody have document of .RTF file or know where I can get it?\n> \n> Thanks in advance. :)\n\nI got one from Microsoft tech support.\n\n-- \nSterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA or bjorndahl@camrose.uucp\nAugustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1100\n',
'From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nSubject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 33\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1ql8mdINN674@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n\n>>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether\n>>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden\n>>>by the US Constitution.\n>>Yes, but they didn\'t say what they meant by "cruel", which is why\n>>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer\n>>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the\n>>word "cruel".\n>\n>They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They\n>picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked\n>in the dictionary to define the word. Isn\'t this sufficient?\n\n\tWe only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers \nconsider cruel and unusual punishment?\n\n\tHanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very \npainful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine.\n\n\tFiring squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those \ndays ], etc. \n\n\tAll would be considered cruel under your definition.\n\tAll were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers.\n\n--- \n\n " Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "\n\n John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word.\n\n\n',
"Subject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel\nFrom: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 16\n\npgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes:\n\n\nPeter,\n\nI believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing\nto say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by\nyourself?\n\n-marc \n--\n______________________________________________________________________________\nSome people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with\nboth eyes. \nMy opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions.\n______________________________________________________________________________\n",
"From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)\nSubject: Re: Shipping a bike\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1qkhrm$7go@agate.berkeley.edu> manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:\n>\n>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco\n>to Seattle? And how much might it cost?\n>\n>I remember a thread on shipping. If someone saved the instructions\n>on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.\n>\n>Thanks,\n>\n>Manish\n\nStep 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association). Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN.\n\nStep 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to \njust about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks.\n\nI have used this service and have been continually pleased. They usually\nonly take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare\nthe bike in any way (other than draining the gas). Not to mention that\nit is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike\nand ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000)\n\n\n________________________________________________________________________\nNick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817\n '88CBR1000 '89CBR600\n coburnn@spot.colorado.edu\n________________________________________________________________________\n\n\n",
"From: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se (Daniel Piche)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nReply-To: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se\nOrganization: Ericsson Communication Inc.\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: bison.lmc.ericsson.se\nX-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.\n Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the\n user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.\n\nIn article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:\n>\n>Michael Collingridge writes:\n>\n>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, \n>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other \n>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.\n>\n>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to\n>Pittsburgh?\n>\n>Mom.\n\nChris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New-York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne (you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they strip Wendel Clark of his capta\n\n\n\nincy in Toronto ?\n\nJust some updates and thoughts.\n\nCheer...\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDaniel Piche (LMC/U/DET - Design)\nEricsson Communications Inc.\n8400 Decarie Blvd, 1rd floor\nTown of Mont Royal, Quebec. H4P 2N2\n(514)-738-8300 ext. 2178. \nE-mail: LMCDAPI@LMC.ERICSSON.SE\nMEMOid: LMC.LMCDAPI\n\nCHEERS.....\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka)\nSubject: Re: making copy of a Video tape\nKeywords: video\nOrganization: Vpnet Public Access\nLines: 19\n\n>There are devices you can buy and/or make. Look in Radio & Popular \n>Electronics mags for the devices. If all else fails, you can build one \n>using the curcuit design from the Dec. \'87 issue of Radio Electronics.\n\nMy very favorite ad for such a device is on the back of the latest\nDamark catalog. Quoting from memory:\n\n[Big flashy type]\n"Dual deck VCR copies any tape -- Even those that are copy protected!*"\n\n(And underneath the ad in very small print: *This device is not intended\nfor making illegal copies of copyrighted material.)\n\n:-)\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------\nGordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us\nVote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!\n',
"From: sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sarah Anne Brundage)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nArticle-I.D.: oregon.21APR199316170714\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Oregon\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\n\n>I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school.\n>I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by\n>first dunking them in water.\n> \n I know this is a little weird, but I know that World magazine (you know,\nNational Geo. for children) did a very simple and concise article on Kirlian\nphotography. They had some neat pictures, too. A friend of mine's mother had\na book on Kirlian photography, only it's photographs took a radiologist to \ninterpret. They (World magazine) warned us all that it was very dangerous,\nprobably to stop curious children from experimenting with it. Mind you, this\nwas 10 years ago, at least. (And boy, does that say something about my age)\n\nSarah Brundage\nsbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu\n",
"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 44\n\nIn <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n\n>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their \n>hands up while national tv cameras watch.\n\n\tWould *you* have come out if you knew the only national TV\ncameras were well over a mile away, and yet the agents with the guns\nwere only a few yards away? They had contact with a lawyer, so I\nam inclined to believe they had an idea of what their situation\nactually was. This also leads to the conspiracy theory that the\nlawyer had the BATF pinned on rights violations if the BD's\nacted as witnesses, hence the arson. I doubt that one too, but\nit is still quite clear that leaving a safe place to surrender is\na rather stupid thing to do until that place is no longer safe.\n\n>Do you disbelieve everything the FBI says?\n\n\tAs a matter of course, given how they've allowed no other\nviews to be heard. I'll reserve judgement until the trial, but so\nfar as the FBI is concerned their statements carry the same amount\nof weight as photons at rest.\n\n>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.\n>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is \n>ludicrous.\n\n\tLudicrous, yes. Possible, yes. Plausible? Get the jury.\n\n>If the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound, I would \n>have expected far more cult members to flee the compound. Or at least come \n>out shooting.\n\n\tThat's what gets me too. It is likely the cult members were\nholed up in an enforced place inside the building. With a decent arson\nattempt I suspect many of them could have been trapped. In addition,\nthe introduction of CS gas for several hours would have rendered many\nof them immobile if not unconscious when their masks quit. All the props\nare there, but proving what scene was played is difficult. The only\ncertainty is that the FBI and BATF have few witnesses against them.\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. >\n< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, >\n< unusual people. And flame them. >\n",
'From: jmg14@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Graham)\nSubject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1pt3ns$mdu\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI believe that in order to get at the innards of the new mouse,\nyou must remove the label on the bottom that says "Apple Desktop\nBus Mouse II" There you should find two screws on either side.\nI haven\'t tried it myself yet, but when I ran my fingernail\naccross the label, these two divots appeared, and I can only assume\nthat these are the elusive screws in question.\n\ncheers,\njohn\n-- \n******John M. Graham***********************\n******The Cleveland Institute of Music*****\n******jmg14@po.cwru.edu********************\nBrought to you by the letters J, M, and G, and the number 14.\n',
'From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)\nSubject: Re: another Taurus SHO question\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: m2-225-2.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.064702.26925@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:\n\n>The Taurus SHO (for those who can get it straight, it is S-H-O as in Super \n>High Output, not SHO as in show) has a Yamaha 3.0L DOHC (24 valves) SHO V-6. \n\nHaving spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that \ninternally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus "Show" or just \n"the Show". As in long "o" sound. I still refer to it as the "S-H-O",\nhowever, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners \nprefer using the Ford lingo. \n\nTim Gardner\n\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy)\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <Lauger-240393141539@lauger.mdc.com> Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com (John Lauger) writes:\n>In article <19201@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote:\n\n>What\'s the best approach to getting off the analgesics. Is there something\n\nTwo approaches that I\'ve used: Tofranil, 50 mg qhs, Naproxen 250mg bid.\nThe Naproxen doesn\'t seem to be as bad as things like Tylenol in promoting\nthe analgesic abuse Headache. DHE IV infusions for about 3 days (in\nhospital). Cold turkey is the only way I think. Tapering doesn\'t\nhelp. I wouldn\'t know how you can do this without your doctor. I haven\'t\nseen anyone successfully do it alone. Doesn\'t mean it can\'t be done.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)\nSubject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!\nOrganization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <C5wC7G.4EG@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:\n>\n>>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back\n>>>>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it\n>>>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that\n>>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?\n>>>>\n>>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987\n>>>>\n>>>Hmmm. These don\'t look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive\n>>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)\n>>\n>>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to\n>>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.\n>>\n>\n>Good story, Chuck, but it won\'t wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci\n>one (and have it). This AM I couldn\'t find any reference to\n>"weight rebound". I\'m not saying it isn\'t there, but since you\n>cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there.\n>There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base,\n>as usual.\n>----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\n>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n>----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nIt\'s on page 315, about 2 1/2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in\nfrom the right.\n\nAt least we know what some people *haven\'t* read and remembered.\n\n-- \nChuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf \nAuthor of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ\n Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"\n17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406\n',
"From: dgempey@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David Gordon Empey)\nSubject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST\nOrganization: University of California, Santa Cruz\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu\n\n\nIn <1993Apr23.165459.3323@coe.montana.edu> uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) writes:\n\n>In sci.astro, dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes:\n\n>[ a nearly perfect parody -- needed more random CAPS]\n\n\n>Thanks for the chuckle. (I loved the bit about relevance to people starving\n>in Somalia!)\n\n>To those who've taken this seriously, READ THE NAME! (aloud)\n\nWell, I thought it must have been a joke, but I don't get the \njoke in the name. Read it aloud? David MACaloon. David MacALLoon.\nDavid macalOON. I don't geddit.\n\n-Dave Empey (speaking for himself)\n>-- \n>Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Enjoy the buffet! \n\n\n",
'From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)\nSubject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA\nOrganization: Ashley, Howland & Wood\nLines: 25\n\nplarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) writes:\n\n>In article <boora.735182771@sfu.ca> boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes:\n>>\tWas the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the\n>>way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped\n>>to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question\n>>is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the \n>>ABC coverage for its own?\n>>\n\n>Yes, it\'s called simulcast. In Canada, when a Canadian station and an \n>American station are showing the same thing whether a sporting event or\n>Cheers on Thursday night, the Canadian signal is broadcast over the American\n>station. They even do this during the Superbowl, which has the best commercials\n>of any television. What do we get here, dumb Canadian commercials, the same\n>ones we\'ve seen for that last year or so.\n\nI\'m in Edmonton, and while that\'s usually (or at least OFTEN) the case,\nhere we were "treated" to the actual ABC telecast of the Kings/Flames\ngame. I\'m with whoever said it earlier - Don Witless (er, Whitman) is\na poor commentator, and not just for hockey. Normally, if the Oilers\nwere still playing (augh), I would turn off the sound and listen to \nthe radio broadcast to get decent play-by-play announcing.\n\nBart, Edmonton\n',
"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: Wings will win\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 67\n\n\nIn article 735307970@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n\n>gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:\n>\n>>In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n>\n>>>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they\n>>>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters \n>>>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM\n>>>I have ever seen in hockey\n>\n>>How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were\n>>a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked\n>>unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for\n>>the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would\n>>have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon\n>>of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can\n>>maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level.\n>\n>When Jacques Demers brought the Wings to the conference finals twice a\n>few years back, he had everyone on the team giving 100 percent, but he \n>had very little talent. He had Yzerman, Bob Probert (who had drinking\n>problems at the time), and a couple of decent goaltenders in Hanlon and\n>Stefan who got hot. That's about it. Can you name one player on those\n>earlier teams who even deserved to be in the all-star game, much less \n>actually got there, other than Yzerman and Probert? Like, Petr Klima?\n>Give me a break! When they faced Edmonton in both of those conference\n>finals, as hard as they played, it was clear they faced a team that simply\n>had superior talent to the Wings. That's why they could not get to the\n>finals. Also, at that time the Norris division was still the weakest \n>division in hockey, and getting past Chicago, and Toronto was not as\n>impressive as it is today.\n>\n>Murray has brought scoring talent to the Wings that they did not have a\n>few years ago when Devellano was GM and Demers was coach. To name a few,\n>Ysebaert, Kozlov, and Paul Coffey (who has made a definite positive impact on\n>the power play especially). \n\n>Murray has built one of the most talented teams in hockey at the present, with\n>the possible exception of the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Wings have at least\n>five 30 goal scorers that I can think of, and a couple of defenseman with over\n>100 games worth of playoff experience. Murray's one failing is that unlike\n>the other GM's you mentioned (who are definitely also good, don't get me\n>wrong), he has not found for himself a strong coach to motivate the team to\n>go out and give 100 percent for the full 60 minutes every night like they \n>did the last time they made a cup run. When a team wins or loses, it's a\n>reflection of the GM *and* the coach, which was the point of my original \n>post. If the team outmatches their opponent in terms of talent but loses\n>anyway (which has been the case this year when the Wings have struggled),\n>that indicates that the GM has done his job in building up the team but the\n>coach has failed to motivate them. If, as in the case of the last run the\n>Wings made in the playoffs before Murray came, they gave opponents a hard\n>time who should have beaten them easily, that indicates good coaching making\n>up for a lack of talent.\n\nAll of this is fine. I never said that Murray was a bad GM. I merely said\nthat he isn't the best GM in hockey- or even a contender for that honor.\nIf Murray is as great as you claim- the Wings would have won the Stanley Cup\nby now- probably more than once. If he was as great a GM as you claim\nand he was as poor a coach as you claim- he would have been intelligent\nenough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success.\nBut Murray is an average (unspectacular) NHL coach and a pretty good GM\nso none of this is true anyway.\n\nGregmeister\n\n",
'From: robie@umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie)\nSubject: IBM PC Convertible Parts 4-Sale\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu\nX-Auth-User: robie\n\nI have some used, but working, parts available for the original IBM\nlaptop - the PC Convertible. If you have one of these things, and\nstill are using it, you may have found out that IBM wants OUTRAGEOUS\nprices for parts. I built up a supply of enough parts to keep mine\ngoing for a few years, and will be willing to part with the rest.\n\nBasically, I have all the standard parts EXCEPT:\n\nMotherboard\nBattery\nPower Supply\n\nI\'ve got a few of the accessories, too - just ask.\n\nThese are in very limited supply, however. I\'ve basically just cannibalized\na couple of old machines.\n\nIf you are interested, please e-mail me.\n\nNote: For those who want to convince themselves that they are somehow\nsuperior because they have newer and better machines, or who want to\ninform me that these are "worthless junk," save your effort. I\'ll\njust delete the note. Those of us who bought these machines when they first\ncame out still find them useful for word processing, etc.. I\'m saving\nmine as a future antique.\n\n',
'From: cmwand@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Wand)\nSubject: Re: Syquest 150 ???\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <93759@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim) writes:\n>I remember someone mention about a 150meg syquest. Has anyone else\n>heard anything about this? I\'d be interested in the cost per megabyte and the\n>approximate cost of the drive itself and how they compare to the Bernoulli 150.\n\nI think you must be talking about the Syquest 105 (code named Mesa I believe).\nIt is a 3.5" Winchester technology drive pretty much like the other Syquest\ndrives in terms of how it works. According to the latest MacLeak, the \ndrive has a 14.5 ms access time, 1.9 MB/s sustained throughput (these figures\nare from memory so they could be slightly off, but they give you an idea of\nperformance nonetheless). The drive was originally released for the PC\nand just recently was released for the Mac world (don\'t ask me what the \ndifferences are) and through they are currently in limited supply, according\nto a Syquest rep. they are in the process of ramping up for mass production.\nI have already seen them advertised by a number of manufacturers in MacLeak\nincluding PLI, MassMicro, ClubMac, and MacWarehouse\'s PowerUser. The PLI\nand MassMicro units are priced at just around $1000; the lesser name brands\nare going for around $750 for an external drive. Cartridges which hold \n105 MB sell for about $80 each. At these prices, the drives and cartridges\nare cheaper and better performing than the 88MB drives.\nCost per megabyte compares favorably with other cartridge drives and Bernoulli\ndrives, but for large amounts of data optical is still cheaper, and more\nreliable. Personally, I\'m excited by the new drive and look forward to \ngetting my hands on one.\n-Chris Wand\n\n-- \n\n"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity."\n - Frank Leahy\n',
'From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)\nSubject: My Gun is like my Ame\nOrganization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569\nLines: 23\nReply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\n\nMark Wilson responding to C.D. Tavares:\n\n\nMW>|So the laws exist, and the penalties are as you say, but nobody is ever\nMW>|prosecuted under these laws. They are "traded away" for easy pleas.\n\nMW>Having such gun laws on the books is still better than nothing.\nMW>What would the DA have traded away in order to get the guilty plea if the\nMW>gun law had not been in effect.\n\nOur liberty?\n\nRight...don\'t even think about enforcing the law and imposing the prescribed\npenalty....let\'s hose the citizens instead.\n---\n . OLX 2.2 . Madness takes its toll - please have exact change\n \n----\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) |\n| Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n',
'From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)\nSubject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A.\nOrganization: NYSERNet, Inc.\nLines: 23\n\nab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n\n>\tI have just started reading the articles in this news\n>group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet\n>other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said\n>that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his\n>server who keeps a file on him in hope that "Appropriate action\n>might be taken". \n>\tI don\'t know where you guys are from but in America\n>such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are\n>not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind\n>regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic\n>repressive ideals back to where you came from.\n\nFreedom of speech does not mean that others are compelled to give one\nthe means to speak publicly. Some systems have regulations\nprohibiting the dissemination of racist and bigoted messages from\naccounts they issue.\n\nApparently, that\'s not the case with virginia.edu, since you are still\nposting.\n-- \nAlan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org\n',
'From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)\nSubject: ESPN sucks: OT or Baseball? Guess which.\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada\nLines: 10\n\nShowing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of\ngame that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock?\nGimme a break! Where does ESPN get these BRILLIANT decisions from?\n\nDaryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets \nInternet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca \nFidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)\nTkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! \nThe Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!\nEssensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!\n',
'From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)\nSubject: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus)\nOrganization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov\n\nIn article <1qju0bINN10l@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes:\n> There was a Science fiction movie sometime ago (I do not remember its \n> name) about a planet in the same orbit of Earth but hidden behind the \n> Sun so it could never be visible from Earth. \n\nThis was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United\nStates and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K. It was produced by the great\nteam of Gerry and Sylvia Anderson (whose science was usually a bit\nbetter than this). It may have been their first production using live\nactors-- they were better known for their technophilic puppet shows,\nsuch as *Supercar*, *Stingray*, and *Thunderbirds*. Later, they went\non to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*.\n\nThe astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL\nairliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to\nlook at.\n\nBill Higgins, Beam Jockey | In a churchyard in the valley\nFermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Where the myrtle doth entwine\nBitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | There grow roses and other posies\nInternet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Fertilized by Clementine.\nSPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS |\n',
'From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5L1Ey.Jts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:\n>In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n>\n>\n>> Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the\n>> existence of any god. Don\'t fall into the "atheists don\'t believe\n>> because of their pride" mistake.\n>\n>How do you know it\'s based on ignorance, couldn\'t that be wrong? Why would it\n>be wrong \n>to fall into the trap that you mentioned? \n>\n\n If I\'m wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That\n he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his\n undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes.\n\n As for the trap, you are not in a position to tell me that I don\'t\n believe in god because I do not wish to. Unless you can know my\n motivations better than I do myself, you should believe me when I\n say that I earnestly searched for god for years and never found\n him.\n\n\n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \n\nBob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM \n\nThey said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,\nand sank Manhattan out at sea.\n\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n',
'From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)\nSubject: Re: Yeah, Right\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 49\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: agar.engin.umich.edu\n\nIn article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n>Benedikt Rosenau writes:\n>\n>>And what about that revelation thing, Charley?\n>\n>If you\'re talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well,\n>it\'s obviously a risk one takes.\n\n Ah, now here is the core question. Let me suggest a scenario.\n\n We will grant that a God exists, and uses revelation to communicate\nwith humans. (Said revelation taking the form (paraphrased from your\nown words) \'This infinitely powerful deity grabs some poor schmuck,\nmakes him take dictation, and then hides away for a few hundred years\'.)\n Now, there exists a human who has not personally experienced a\nrevelation. This person observes that not only do these revelations seem\nto contain elements that contradict rather strongly aspects of the\nobserved world (which is all this person has ever seen), but there are\nmany mutually contradictory claims of revelation.\n\n Now, based on this, can this person be blamed for concluding, absent\na personal revelation of their own, that there is almost certainly\nnothing to this \'revelation\' thing?\n\n>I\'m not an objectivist, so I\'m not particularly impressed with problems of\n>conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of\n>trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary\n>experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from\n>the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the\n>perspective of what\'s being described, rather inexact (to be charitable).\n>\n>An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is\n>that the "better" descriptive language is not available.\n\n Absent this better language, and absent observations in support of the\nclaims of revelation, can one be blamed for doubting the whole thing?\n\n Here is what I am driving at: I have thought a long time about this. I\nhave come to the honest conclusion that if there is a deity, it is\nnothing like the ones proposed by any religion that I am familiar with.\n Now, if there does happen to be, say, a Christian God, will I be held\naccountable for such an honest mistake?\n\n Sincerely,\n\n Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu\n\n "The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the\nstars!" - Robert A. Heinlein\n',
"From: jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon)\nSubject: modems and noisy lines.\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 21\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu\n\nHi,\n\nI just got a problem, I have a cheapo 2400bps modem which I use to connect\nto my university, but I get too much garbage on the screen. I do know it's\nbecause the noise in the line (I can actually hear it). So my question is\nwill an error correction protocol help to eliminate this garbage?, my modem\ndoesn't have any of these on hardware, can a software implemented protocol\ndo the trick?\n\nThanks.\n\nJuan Carlos Leon\n\n\n\n\n-- \njleon@scf.usc.edu | jcleon@ucs.usc.edu\nElectrical & Computer Major | University Computing Services\n\t\tUniversity of Southern California\n\t\t\tLos Angeles, CA.\n",
'From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge)\nSubject: What we learned from the Waco wackos\nKeywords: prophet profit\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 32\n\n\n\tThere are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess:\n1)\tWhen they start getting desperate for an answer to the question: "What\'s\nit all about. Mr. Natural?", pinkboys will buy darn near *anything*, which\nmeans:\n2)\tThere\'s still plenty of $$$$ to be made in the False Jesus business\nby enterprising SubGenii. Just remember that:\n3)\tOnce you\'ve separated the pinks from their green, don\'t blow it all\non automatic weapons from Mexico. Put it in a Swiss bank account. Smile a\nlot. Have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports. The Con will just\nshrug you off as long as:\n4)\tYou never, never, NEVER start to believe your own bulldada! If\n"David Koresh" hand\'t started swallowing his own "apocalypso now" crap, he\'d\nbe working crossword puzzles in the Bahamas today instead of contributing to\nthe mulch layer in Waco. This is because:\n5)\tWhen you start shooting at cops, they\'re likely to shoot back. And \nmost of \'em are better shots than you are.\n\n\tIn short:\n\t- P.T. Barnum was right \n\t\tand\n\t- Stupidity is self-correcting\nThus endeth the lesson.\n\n\t************************************************************\n\t* \tThe_Doge of South St. Louis\t\t\t *\n\t*\t\tDobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm)\t *\n\t*\t"One Step Beyond" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm\t *\n\t*\t\t88.1 FM\t\tSt. Louis Community Radio *\n\t* "You\'ll pay to know what you *really* think!" *\n\t*\t\t\t-- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs"\t\t *\n\t************************************************************\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Nazi Armenian Philosophy: Race above everything and before everything.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 155\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n\n> Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART \n> of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and\n> review the HISTORY. \n\nIf a \'dog\'s prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky.\nDid you know that the word \'Karabag\' itself is a \'Turkish\' name? \nBefore 1827, before the Russians and their \'zavalli kole\' Armenians, \ndrove all the Turks/Muslims out, it was a Turkish majority town. Well,\nanyway, it is not surprising that Armenians also collaborated with the \nNazis.\n\n "Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously\n pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish,\n as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and \n anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1]\n\n[1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), \'Cairo to Damascus,\' \n Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.\n \nAs a dear friend put it, the Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots) \nwas the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was based in\nBoston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) but \nhad followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally\nTzeghagron means \'to make a religion of one\'s race.\' The architect\nof the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian\nwho became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II.\nIn 1933, he had been invited to the United States by the Central\nCommittee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the \nAmerican-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local\nArmenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20\nchapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters\nand became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization.\nNezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy:\n\n "The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity.\n Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first."[1]\n\n[1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), "The\n Armenian Displaced Persons," in \'Armenian Affairs,\' Winter,\n 1949-50, p. 19, footnote.\n\n\nNow wait, there is more.\n\nTHE GRUESOME extent of February\'s killings of Azeris by Armenians\nin the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about\n600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the\nfour-year war over Nagorny Karabakh.\n\nThe figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials\nand casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid\nworkers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates.\n\nThe 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of\nthe last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control\nof Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations\nin Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting\nretreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the\ndead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first\nsuppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku.\nLater it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken\nAzerbaijan\'s wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000\ndead.\n\nThe State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a\n15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the "Hojali\nDisaster", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on\npreliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman\nMemmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in\nthe Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more\nthan 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700\ndead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman\nof the Azeri Ministry of Defence.\n\nFranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International\nRed Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of\nAgdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque\nfrom Hojali, most of them civilians. "We did not count the\nbodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy," Mr\nZen Ruffinen said. "We have some idea since we gave the body bags\nand products to wash the dead."\n\nMr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the\nnumber of dead in the massacre. "Don\'t get worked up. It will\ntake several months to get a final figure," the 43-year-old\nlawyer said at his small office.\n\nMr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to\nreach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714\nwounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist\nuprising in Baku in January 1990.\n\nThose nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power\nthree weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly\nwhat happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70\nmiles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians.\n\nOfficially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being\nthe number of people that could be medically examined by the\nrepublic\'s forensic department. "This is just a small percentage\nof the dead," said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic\'s chief forensic\nscientist. "They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the\nchaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury\nour dead within 24 hours."\n\nOf these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14\nyears old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and\naxes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland\nsnows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of\ndeliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises\ncut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov\'s\nreport. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those\nbelieved to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said.\n\nFiles from Mr Rasulov\'s investigative commission are still\ndisorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six\npolicemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the\nnames of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The\nmost heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far\ncomes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a\nhelicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27\nFebruary.\n\n"There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to\ncount properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream\nand the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village," Mr\nManafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter\npilot.\n\n"People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and\none two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was\npulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but\nArmenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to\nreturn."\n\nThere has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in\ncirculation because of the political upheavals of the last few\nmonths and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali\nat the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages\ntaken over by Armenian forces.\n\nTHE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/\'92\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: besmith@uncc.edu (Brian E Smith)\nSubject: Re: Rayshade query\nNntp-Posting-Host: ws27.uncc.edu\nReply-To: besmith@uncc.edu\nOrganization: University of NC at Charlotte\nLines: 22\n\nIn article 5742@sunvax.sun.ac.za, 8910782@sunvax.sun.ac.za () writes:\n>I am also looking for a surface for the chesspieces. The board is marble.\n>Unfortunately black won\'t work very well for the one side. Anybody with ideas\n>for nice surfaces?\n\nHow about brass or silver? I\'ve seen real chessboards that use that material.\n\n>\n>Where should I post the finished chessboard?\n>\n\nRight here is as good a place as any. Can\'t wait to see it. I use the POV\nraytracer - is it compatible enough for your chessboard?\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n "I don\'t know if you\'ve got the whole picture or not, but it doesn\'t \n seem like he\'s running on all thrusters!" -- Leonard McCoy\n\n "A guess? You, Spock? That\'s extraordinary!" -- James T. Kirk\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Brian Smith (besmith@mosaic.uncc.edu)\n\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Travel outside US (Bangladesh)\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1p7ciqINN3th@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Just George) writes:\n>I will be traveling to Bangaldesh this summer, and am wondering\n>if there are any immunizations I should get before going.\n>\n\nYou can probably get this information by calling your public health\ndepartment in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free,\nas well). There are bulletins in medical libraries that give\nrecommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section\nof the medicine department of your local medical school. You also\nwill probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis. You will\nneed your doctor to get the prescription. \n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi)\nSubject: Re: Long distance IR detection\nNntp-Posting-Host: cec1\nOrganization: Washington University, St. Louis MO\nLines: 88\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.183416.18744@dres.dnd.ca> sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes:\n>\n>--\n>\n>I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an\n>IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in\n>daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I\'m leaning toward\n>30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle.\n>\n>I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give\n>information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the\n>angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s),\n>possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp\n>current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I\n>would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required.\n>\n>Has anyone done something like this?\n>\n>Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca\n>(403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6\n\nA method which will directly (almost) provide you with the information that\nyou require is that which is commonly used for coordinate measurements of \nhuman body landmarks (eg. the SELSPOT system by SELSPOT AB, Sweden, and the\nWATSMART System ??). These use lateral photoeffect detectors [Lindholm and\nOberg, 1974; Woltring and Marsolais, 1980] to determine the position of a\nspot of light projected (using a camera lens) over its surface. In escence,\nthe detector is a large photodiode with four cathodes (one on each of the\nfour sides of the square detector crystal) and a single anode (the back of\nthe crystal). A spot of light will produce currents which are proportional\nto the position of the spot on the detector\'s face. Let\'s try some ASCII\ngraphics in 2-D (so the detector has two cathodes to detect linear position)\n\n\n\n -------------------------> 1\n | |\n | | |\\\n ----- cathode 1 | | \\\n XXXXX ________| + \\\n XXXXX| | \\ -------\n light >XXXXX| | \\_____ divider __ output\n XXXXX| | | / -------\n XXXXX|-----| |-- | / |\n XXXXX| + | | ________| - / 1 + 2\n XXXXX| --- gnd | | /\n XXXXX| \\ / | |/\n XXXXX| anode |\n XXXXX |\n ----- cathode 2 |\n | |\n | |\n --------------------------> 2\n\nIf the dot of light from the LED is the ONLY source of light, then the position\nof the projection is given by this circuit regardless of the level of illumina-\ntion (the divider is used to normalize relative to total received power). When\nthis circuit is used in the presence of other sources of light, then the way of\n"tuning" to it is to sample for a few msec the background signal, light the LED\nfor an equal time and sample that signal separately. The difference between\nthe two is the position of the LED.\n\nHamamatsu photonics sells linear and 2-D lateral photoeffect detectors, and\nthey also sell the required signal processing electronics. The ready-made\nsystems by SELSPOT and others are NOT cheap ... \n\nLindholm, L.E., and K.E. Oberg, "An Optoelectronic Instrument for Remote\nOn-Line Movement Monitoring", Biotelemetry, 1, 94-95, 1974.\n\nWoltring, H.J., and E.B. Marsolais, "Opto-Electronic (SELSPOT) Gait Measure-\nments in Two and Three Dimensional Space - A Preliminary Report", Bull. Pros-\nthetics Research, 46-52, 1980.\n\nMost probably this technique can provide you with a much more accurate\nmeasurement than you need, but I think that its simplicity beats scanning\na quadrant detector with a pan/tilt system until you reach zero difference.\n\n - David\n\n\n\n+------------------------------------------------------------+\n| David Prutchi HC1DT |\n| Washington University <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu> |\n| Campus Box 1185 <dp@cec1.wustl.edu> |\n| One Brookings Drive |\n| St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 |\n+------------------------------------------------------------+\n',
'From: disteli@inf.ethz.ch (Andreas Reto Disteli)\nSubject: S3\nNntp-Posting-Host: lillian-gw\nOrganization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH\nLines: 40\n\n\nRe: Problems with S3-initialization\n\nAs described the manual the following steps must be done for th initialization\nof the S3 card.\n\nInitDisplay;\n\t(*BIOS-Call\n\t\twith AX-Reg = 4F02H\n\t\twith BX-Reg = 105H for 1024 x 768 x 256 resolution\n\t\tInterrupt 10H *)\nUnlock Register Lock 1 (CR38)\n\t(* For access to S3 Register Set *)\nUnlock Register Lock 2 (CR39)\n\t(* For access to Syst. Control and Syst. Extension Register *)\nUnlock Graphic Command Group (CR40)\n\t(* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Syst. Configuration Register *)\nUnlock Advanced Display Functions\n\t(* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Function Control Register *)\n\nAfter these operations the FIFO-stack of the S3 should be empty.\nWhen we watch the status (Graph. Proc. Status), we always get\nthe value 0FH instead of 0H.\nFull would mean 0FFH (8 places occupied), empty would mean 0H\n(0 places occupied).\n\nIt is possible to read this register in two different ways. \nBoth times we get different results.\n\n\n\nOur machine is a 486 DX/2 with EISA bus and a S3 86C805 local bus. \n\n--> any ideas?\n\nAndreas Disteli\nInstitut fuer Computersysteme, ETH Zuerich\nemail: disteli@inf.ethz.ch\n\n\n',
'From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange)\nSubject: Re: REPOST: Accelerators/Translations\nKeywords: Accelerator, case\nReply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\nOrganization: ParcPlace Boulder\nLines: 68\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.162016.5923@telesoft.com>, trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite) writes:\n|> In <sdennis.735423404@aa.cad.slb.com> sdennis@osf.org writes:\n|> \n|> >I posted this a while ago and didn\'t receive one reply, and now we\n|> >have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out?\n|> \n|> The problem is that Motif uses XGrabKey to implement menu accelerators,\n|> and these grabs are specific about which modifiers apply. Unfortunately,\n|> the specification for XGrabKey doesn\'t allow AnyModifier to be combined\n|> with other modifiers, which is exactly what would be desired in this case:\n|> "Ctrl Any<Key>q".\n|> \n|> >In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says "For information\n|> >on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4...", this is so you\n|> >know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to\n|> >Vol. 4 it says, "Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is\n|> >nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For\n|> >example, the translation:\n|> >\tShift<Key>q:\tquit()\n|> >will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as\n|> >the Shift key (and the q key).\n|> \n|> This is true for accelerators and mnemonics, which are implemented using\n|> event handlers instead of grabs; it\'s not true for menu accelerators. If\n|> you\'re a Motif implementor, I\'d suggest lobbying to get the Xlib semantics\n|> changed to support the feature I described above. Otherwise, change the\n|> documentation for menu accelerators to properly set the user\'s\n|> expectations, because menu accelerators are NOT the same thing as\n|> translations.\n|> \n|> >Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry?\n|> \n|> If you mean "menu accelerator", no it\'s not possible. That\'s according to\n|> the definition of the XmNaccelerator resource in the XmLabel manual page.\n|> \n|> >Keep in mind when answering this question that when using Motif you\n|> >can\'t use XtInstallAccelerators().\n|> \n|> I can\'t think of a reason why not.\n|> \n|> >How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of\n|> >case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one\n|> >menu entry.\n\nI find this thread on motif accelerators absoultly amazing. If I were\nwriting an interface to keyboard accelerators, I would have one\nresource called "accelerators" that took a translation table, period.\nI would also implement it so that programmer never has to do any work\nto get the accelerators installed. As soon as the end-user specified\none, it would be active and automatically installed.\n\nTo get multiple accelerators on a single menu item I\'d do something like:\n\n\t*menuItem.accelerators: #override \\n\\\n\t\tCtrl<Key>M:\tfire() \\n\\\n\t\tShift<Key>L:\tfire() \\n\n\nThe accelerators would work exactly like translations and you would\nautomatically see a "Ctrl M" show up in your menuItem object.\n\nWhy in the world is the motif stuff so complicated with so many different\nspecial cases depending on what type of widget you\'re dealing with? There\nhas to be some reason.\n\nSorry for the political tone of this message...\n\n--\nTom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\n',
'Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Did The Blues Pull It Out?\nLines: 10\n\nWhen I left, it was 4-3, Blues with 2:00 to go! As I predicted in\n"@#$%! I was right in the first place!!!" Blues in 6! YES!!!\n\nOf course it\'s only one game -- that could be the \'Hawks stab in the face to\nwake them up -- that\'s what playoffs are about, on any given day... :-)\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! "We do what comes naturally!\nPatrick Division Semi\'s \'91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the\nPENGUINS 6, Devils 3 \'92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don\'t you see a\nPenguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance..."-DG \'89\n',
'From: osburn@halcyon.com (Tim Osburn)\nSubject: Netware 3.11 & win 3.1 fileman\nOrganization: Northwest Nexus Inc.\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com\n\n\n\tIs there a update or something that will allow a person when\nusing novell 3.11 and windows 3.1 file manager to view the files with\nthe name of the person who created it or changed it like the novell\ncommand ndir ?\n\ntim osburn\nosburn@halcyon.com\n\n\n-- \n*------------------------------------------------------------------------------*| Tim Osburn KB7GBQ osburn@halcyon.com Bellevue, Washington |*------------------------------------------------------------------------------*\n',
'From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 21\n\nI find it interesting that cls never answered any of the questions posed. \nThen he goes on the make statements which make me shudder. He has\nestablished a two-tiered God. One set of rules for the Jews (his people)\nand another set for the saved Gentiles (his people). Why would God\ndiscriminate? Does the Jew who accepts Jesus now have to live under the\nGentile rules.\n\nGod has one set of rules for all his people. Paul was never against the\nlaw. In fact he says repeatedly that faith establishes rather that annuls\nthe law. Paul\'s point is germane to both Jews and Greeks. The Law can\nnever be used as an instrument of salvation. And please do not combine\nthe ceremonial and moral laws in one.\n\nIn Matt 5:14-19 Christ plainly says what He came to do and you say He was\nonly saying that for the Jews\'s benefit. Your Christ must be a\npolitician, speaking from both sides of His mouth. As Paul said, "I have\nnot so learned Christ." Forget all the theology, just do what Jesus says.\n Your excuses will not hold up in a court of law on earth, far less in\nGod\'s judgement hall.\n\nDarius\n',
"From: m91nen@tdb.uu.se (Nils Engstrom)\nSubject: Help: Event propagation\nOrganization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University\nLines: 19\n\n\nThe following problem is really bugging me,\nand I would appreciate any help.\n\nI create two windows:\n\nw1 (child to root) with event_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask;\nw2 (child to w1) with do_not_propagate_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask;\n\n\nKeypress events in w2 are discarded, but ButtonPress events fall through\nto w1, with subwindow set to w2.\n\nFYI, I'm using xnews/olvwm.\n\nAm I doing something fundamentally wrong here?\n\n\t\t\t\tn\n\n",
'Distribution: world\nFrom: hyerstay@adrenaline.com (Jason Hyerstay)\nOrganization: Adrenaline Online, (802) 425-2332, a FirstClass BBS\nSubject: Re: Mac oriented BBSs in Chicago\nLines: 28\n\n> A member of the local BBS I frequent is looking for Mac oriented\n> BBSs based in Chicago.\n>\n> Any leads would be most appreciated.\n\nHere is a list of the FirstClass systems in Illinois:\n\nChicago Machine Chicago, IL (312) 233-9607\nInsane Domain Chicago, IL (312) 274-9515\nMAC Universe BBS Chicago, IL (312) 235-6794\nThe NET Rockford, IL (815) 968-4729\nMacTRIPP Wilmette, IL (708) 251-4158\nInnovators Vernon Hills, IL\t \t(708) 918-1231\n\nIf anyone wants the numbers to more FirstClass systems, I would be glad to\npost the complete list.\n- Jason Hyerstay\n- Adrenaline Admin\n\t\n===========================================================================\n= /| |\\ |-\\ /-- \\ | /\\ | | \\ | /-- Adrenaline Online (FirstClass) =\n= /-| | \\ |_/ |- |\\| /--| | | |\\| |- (802) 425-2332 * Charlotte, VT =\n= / | |_/ | \\ \\-- | \\ | | |-- | | \\ \\-- Free Access!! * 16.8K HST Dual =\n===========================================================================\n= OneNet * MacUnion * FidoNet * UseNet * 120+ Conferences * Megs of Files =\n= Dedicated to Mac users, cyberpunks, civil libertarians and mecha gamers =\n===========================================================================\n\n',
'From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)\nSubject: Re: Its still cold, but...\nOrganization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30\n\n\n>> \n>> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40\n>> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. \n\nBe VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will\nfeel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel\nyour hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all \nkindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming \nhands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest)\nway to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and\nstand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should \ndo it.\n',
"From: jb@access.digex.com (jb)\nSubject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\\\\ LIFETIME MEMERSHIP ///\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <C5J5K1.w0@visgraph.uucp> forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:\n>\n>For sale: Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club. The\n>original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600. The\n>membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork. \n>\nDoes is include raquetball? Is it good at Espree? What is the annual fee?\n\nThanks,\nJohn\n",
"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)\nSubject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nLines: 5\n\nI just wanted to know:\n\nTo wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the \ngear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw \nup the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here...\n",
"From: massey@travis.llnl.gov\nSubject: Re: Jacob's Ladder\nArticle-I.D.: travis.1993Apr6.093828.1\nOrganization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: travis.llnl.gov\n\nIn article <C4z6x7.16B@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes:\n> \tI've been wanting to build a Tesla coil for quite awhile now (\n> who doesn't, right? ) and I thought it would be a good intermidiate\n> step to build a JAcob's Ladder first.\n> \tWell, I have been looking for a high voltage transformer that\n> is reasonable inexpensive ( neon sign transformers cost mucho ).\n\n\nIn the past I've managed to buy used neon sign transformers from sign shops \nfor about $20. Try calling around.\n\n\nWarren N. Massey Massey@Travis.LLNL.Gov\nLawrence Livermore National Laboratory 7000 East Ave., P.O. Box 808, L-495\nLivermore, Calif. 94550 <<<My opinions are mine alone>>> (510)422-1958\n",
'From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)\nSubject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 standings\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division\nLines: 276\n\nWell, I\'m back from Tokyo, so here are the standings after the April 13 update.\n\n\t- Andrew\n\nUSENET Hockey Draft Standings\nWeek 27\n\nPosn\tTeam\t\t\t\tPts\tProj\tCash\tLast Posn\n\n1.\tDave Wessels 1536\t1572.8\t1.9\t(1)\n2.\tBob Hill 1481\t1538.1\t24.0\t(3)\n3.\tGilles Carmel 1492\t1529.9\t1.0\t(2)\n4.\tSeppo Kemppainen 1430\t1514.0\t47.2\t(5)\n5.\tThe Awesome Oilers 1412\t1504.4\t68.6\t(4)\n6.\tHillside Raiders 1456\t1495.2\t7.0\t(7)\n7.\tMak "The Knife" Paranjape 1424\t1491.7\t31.0\t(6)\n8.\tJan Stein 1412\t1483.2\t35.3\t(8)\n9.\tthis years model 1428\t1479.3\t17.6\t(10)\n10.\tRangers Of Destiny 1401\t1475.9\t42.0\t(9)\n\tTapio Repo 1422\t1475.9\t19.6\t(11)\n12.\tFRANK\'S BIG FISH 1398\t1453.9\t22.0\t(12)\n13.\tThe Underachievers 1409\t1452.9\t10.1\t(13)\n14.\tOn Thin Ice 1380\t1440.9\t32.3\t(14)\n15.\tGo Flames 1367\t1438.1\t40.3\t(17)\n16.\tlittlest giants 1370\t1437.7\t35.6\t(16)\n17.\tMopar Muscle Men 1400\t1431.4\t3.7\t(18)\n18.\tLindros Losers 1396\t1431.2\t1.7\t(15)\n19.\tDIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1357\t1411.0\t20.2\t(19)\n20.\tSamuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1360\t1396.3\t4.9\t(20)\n21.\tBoomer\'s Boys 1341\t1371.6\t0.2\t(23)\n22.\tGeneral Accounting Office 1316\t1369.4\t20.9\t(21)\n23.\tDelaware Wombats 1341\t1367.5\t1.3\t(24)\n24.\tMigods Menschen 1307\t1366.8\t31.6\t(22)\n25.\tWellsy\'s Buttheads DEC NH 1280\t1362.3\t52.6\t(25)\n26.\tRocky Mountain High 1325\t1357.2\t1.8\t(26)\n27.\tFife Flyers 1283\t1348.4\t31.4\t(27)\n28.\tGerald Olchowy 1275\t1340.2\t33.7\t(28)\n29.\tDave Snell 1281\t1335.7\t25.0\t(59)\n30.\tFluide Glacial 1291\t1333.7\t18.0\t(29)\n31.\tGaoler 1279\t1321.5\t11.2\t(30)\n32.\tSmegHeads 1289\t1315.8\t0.3\t(31)\n33.\tThe Young And The Skateless 1235\t1305.6\t42.9\t(32)\n34.\tSam & His Dogs 1262\t1297.3\t11.6\t(34)\n35.\tNeural Netters 1251\t1294.2\t11.3\t(35)\n36.\tYoungbucs 1206\t1288.1\t101.7\t(36)\n37.\tArtic Storm 1220\t1287.7\t39.3\t(33)\n38.\tSoft Swedes 1205\t1281.5\t46.9\t(37)\n39.\tJeff Horvath 1239\t1268.6\t5.6\t(38)\n40.\tMilton Keynes Kings 1229\t1262.5\t2.8\t(40)\n41.\tHamster from Hoboken 1223\t1257.0\t8.7\t(41)\n\tKuehn Crushers 1185\t1257.0\t45.1\t(45)\n43.\tLe Fleur de Lys 1202\t1256.9\t25.3\t(42)\n44.\tYan The Man Loke 1225\t1255.5\t0.7\t(39)\n45.\tLegion of Hoth 1208\t1251.1\t15.8\t(48)\n46.\tSimmonac 1169\t1249.4\t87.6\t(44)\n47.\tThe Finnish Force 1192\t1245.1\t22.5\t(46)\n48.\tice legion 1193\t1244.8\t28.8\t(43)\n49.\tStreaks 1161\t1242.8\t54.8\t(47)\n50.\tBrian Bergman 1190\t1241.0\t23.3\t(55)\n51.\tGoaldingers 1190\t1239.3\t22.0\t(49)\n52.\tT C OverAchievers 1209\t1237.0\t2.9\t(52)\n53.\tGrant Marven 1196\t1231.2\t2.9\t(50)\n54.\tBozrah Bruins 1155\t1223.9\t45.2\t(54)\n55.\tReal Bad Toe Jam 1150\t1223.4\t48.9\t(62)\n56.\tHoudini\'s Magicians 1181\t1222.4\t18.3\t(61)\n57.\tSkriko Wolves 1186\t1221.5\t5.4\t(53)\n58.\trec.sport.hockey choices 1196\t1221.1\t1.3\t(63)\n59.\tbuffalo soldiers 1142\t1220.3\t62.1\t(65)\n60.\tbemybaby 1140\t1219.9\t54.2\t(51)\n61.\tLIPPE 1179\t1215.2\t13.9\t(56)\n62.\tRandy Coulman 1185\t1214.8\t5.2\t(57)\n63.\tLAMP LIGHTERS 1180\t1211.6\t5.9\t(58)\n64.\tSteven And Mark Dream Team 1174\t1206.2\t3.1\t(60)\n65.\tIndianapolis Bennies 1160\t1205.4\t20.8\t(66)\n66.\tTom 1160\t1202.8\t13.1\t(68)\n67.\tBloom County All Stars 1164\t1198.8\t4.3\t(67)\n68.\tBruins 1174\t1198.5\t0.1\t(72)\n69.\tPhil and Kev\'s Karma Dudes 1172\t1198.0\t0.8\t(69)\n70.\tsmithw 1146\t1194.5\t21.0\t(73)\n71.\tIowa Hockeyes 1149\t1193.8\t16.3\t(64)\n72.\tDoug Bowles 1146\t1190.6\t20.0\t(71)\n73.\tThe Great Pumpkin 1108\t1187.3\t54.4\t(74)\n74.\tNON! 1145\t1186.4\t16.4\t(77)\n75.\tshooting seamen 1161\t1183.3\t0.1\t(75)\n76.\tFrank Worthless 1149\t1182.7\t6.3\t(76)\n77.\tAIK Exiles 1116\t1179.8\t34.5\t(70)\n78.\tInvisible Inc 1156\t1177.4\t1.1\t(78)\n79.\tBrad Gibson 1126\t1176.9\t27.2\t(79)\n80.\tCougarmania 1114\t1165.7\t24.8\t(88)\n81.\tKortelaisen Kovat 1086\t1165.2\t164.1\t(85)\n82.\tPLP Fools 1135\t1163.1\t0.1\t(81)\n83.\tDavid Wong 1082\t1161.6\t66.1\t(84)\n84.\tJohn Zupancic 1102\t1160.7\t27.1\t(82)\n85.\tgarryola 1121\t1159.4\t9.7\t(89)\n86.\tGary Bergman Fan Club 1128\t1157.6\t5.1\t(93)\n87.\tStaffan Axelsson 1120\t1157.1\t15.1\t(83)\n88.\tChubby Checkers 1110\t1156.2\t16.3\t(80)\n89.\tDerrill\'s Dastardly Dozen 1109\t1155.0\t22.1\t(90)\n90.\tChocolate Rockets 1121\t1150.7\t2.5\t(86)\n91.\tKen DeCruyenaere 1113\t1147.9\t5.0\t(87)\n92.\tFisher Dirtbags 1119\t1147.4\t0.7\t(94)\n93.\tKODIAKS 1122\t1146.0\t1.3\t(95)\n94.\tNo Namers 1067\t1145.8\t58.2\t(91)\n95.\tThe Campi Machine 1061\t1145.2\t65.3\t(92)\n96.\tBSC Oranienburg 1115\t1142.4\t7.1\t(98)\n97.\tThe Kamucks 1064\t1141.5\t76.1\t(97)\n98.\tArsenal Maple Leafs 1108\t1138.4\t3.8\t(96)\n99.\tEllis Islanders 1096\t1128.0\t7.6\t(100)\n100.\tMombasa Mosquitos 1090\t1122.4\t6.1\t(101)\n101.\tZachmans Wingers 1051\t1122.1\t49.8\t(103)\n102.\tEdelweiss 1091\t1121.0\t2.9\t(102)\n103.\tBjoern Leaguen 1039\t1118.5\t61.4\t(112)\n104.\tDirty White Socks 1050\t1116.5\t43.4\t(105)\n105.\tWormtown Woosbags 1039\t1116.1\t72.6\t(104)\n106.\tNeil Younger 1036\t1115.0\t77.7\t(114)\n107.\tHurricane Andrew 1082\t1114.8\t7.6\t(106)\n108.\tKing Suke 1089\t1114.5\t0.1\t(110)\n109.\tLarry 1078\t1114.3\t11.8\t(107)\n110.\tHet Schot Is Hard 1076\t1113.6\t18.1\t(115)\n111.\tVoteNoOct26 1056\t1112.6\t31.8\t(108)\n112.\tBloodgamers 1046\t1111.6\t42.1\t(99)\n\tBruce\'s Rented Mules 1077\t1111.6\t11.9\t(108)\n114.\tTeem Kanada 1075\t1110.6\t16.0\t(111)\n115.\tFrank\'s Follies 1063\t1106.5\t24.2\t(113)\n116.\tOklahoma Stormchasers 1053\t1103.6\t28.3\t(121)\n117.\tSPUDS 1068\t1103.4\t12.6\t(119)\n118.\tPond Slime 1081\t1102.3\t0.7\t(117)\n119.\tPSV Dartmouth 1071\t1101.4\t7.1\t(116)\n120.\tMark Sanders 1065\t1099.2\t11.1\t(120)\n121.\tBlue Talon 1062\t1096.5\t13.3\t(126)\n122.\tStanford Ice Hawks 1043\t1094.7\t28.2\t(118)\n123.\tAye Carumba!!! 1063\t1089.6\t3.9\t(124)\n124.\tKokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1021\t1088.0\t40.3\t(125)\n125.\tTimo Ojala 1059\t1085.7\t0.3\t(122)\n126.\tHaral 1057\t1085.3\t7.3\t(128)\n127.\tCluster Buster 1048\t1083.4\t7.6\t(136)\n128.\tDirty Rotten Puckers 1054\t1082.7\t1.2\t(135)\n129.\tApricot Fuzzfaces 1037\t1081.1\t23.3\t(127)\n130.\tThe Lost Poots 1048\t1080.5\t6.7\t(132)\n131.\tNesbitt 1058\t1078.6\t1.1\t(123)\n132.\tGary Bill Pens Dynasty 1035\t1077.8\t19.6\t(144)\n133.\tgarys team 1035\t1076.2\t17.1\t(129)\n134.\tArctic Circles 1012\t1074.1\t37.6\t(131)\n135.\tSeattle PFTB 1028\t1074.0\t22.9\t(132)\n136.\tLate Night with David Letterman 1049\t1073.7\t0.0\t(130)\n137.\tLe Groupe MI 1020\t1073.2\t30.2\t(141)\n138.\tGO BRUINS 1046\t1072.7\t6.2\t(140)\n139.\tScott Glenn 1038\t1069.7\t10.2\t(138)\n140.\tFlying Kiwis 1035\t1068.7\t9.1\t(136)\n141.\tteam gold 1029\t1067.4\t16.7\t(142)\n142.\tCloset Boy\'s Boys 995\t1064.6\t48.0\t(143)\n143.\tWild Hearted Sons 1036\t1064.4\t4.9\t(153)\n144.\tboutch 92-93 1023\t1063.2\t20.0\t(134)\n145.\tAndy Y F WONG 1019\t1062.6\t21.5\t(147)\n\tWembley LostWeekenders 1040\t1062.6\t0.3\t(152)\n147.\tMcKees Rocks Rockers 1036\t1062.4\t5.1\t(144)\n148.\tBook \'em Danno\'s Bushbabies 1032\t1062.1\t10.5\t(163)\n149.\tDree Hobbs 1020\t1060.2\t13.4\t(139)\n150.\tGO HABS GO 1027\t1058.1\t8.0\t(151)\n151.\tGoddess Of Fermentation 1005\t1057.8\t30.2\t(156)\n152.\tTim Rogers 1024\t1056.8\t8.1\t(146)\n153.\tconvex stars 1026\t1055.9\t5.6\t(160)\n154.\tEinstein\'s Rock Band 1033\t1055.7\t0.0\t(154)\n155.\tPrinceton Canucks 979\t1055.5\t124.2\t(150)\n156.\tTap 1028\t1055.2\t0.5\t(155)\n157.\tHubert\'s Hockey Homeboys 1030\t1053.9\t0.6\t(163)\n\tButtered Waffles 981\t1053.9\t46.0\t(148)\n159.\tMY TEAM 977\t1052.0\t174.8\t(162)\n160.\tBob\'s Blues 980\t1050.9\t46.8\t(149)\n161.\tfurleys furies 1021\t1046.6\t3.6\t(159)\n162.\tHUNTERS & COLLECTORS 982\t1045.9\t42.4\t(157)\n\tLes Nordiques 974\t1045.9\t60.4\t(161)\n164.\tSatan\'s Choice 1012\t1045.3\t14.5\t(173)\n165.\tDr Joel Fleishman 1020\t1043.9\t3.7\t(158)\n166.\tSundogs 1017\t1040.9\t0.4\t(166)\n167.\tPierre Mailhot 1017\t1039.9\t2.6\t(175)\n168.\tSlap Shot Marco 966\t1037.8\t51.8\t(168)\n169.\tSan Jose Mahi Mahi 989\t1037.6\t31.8\t(178)\n170.\tThe Leafs Rule!!!! 990\t1037.3\t25.8\t(174)\n171.\tJeff Nimeroff 963\t1036.5\t48.8\t(167)\n172.\tStimpy ADG Zeta 996\t1035.2\t21.0\t(178)\n173.\tThe Dreamers 958\t1034.6\t63.7\t(170)\n174.\tEast City Jokers 956\t1033.7\t69.1\t(171)\n175.\tDaryl Turner 1008\t1033.1\t2.4\t(169)\n176.\triding the pine 988\t1031.8\t20.7\t(165)\n177.\tFlowers 957\t1030.4\t113.6\t(172)\n178.\tDarse Billings 975\t1029.3\t34.7\t(185)\n179.\tChappel\'s Chumps 984\t1027.9\t24.0\t(186)\n180.\tLANA Inc 982\t1027.2\t27.3\t(182)\n181.\tSpinal Tap 963\t1026.6\t41.4\t(177)\n182.\tJimParker 949\t1025.9\t179.0\t(187)\n183.\tEnforcers 980\t1023.9\t28.1\t(189)\n184.\tJeff Bachovchin 949\t1020.7\t46.7\t(180)\n\tBig Bad Bruins 981\t1020.7\t18.5\t(183)\n186.\tMike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 944\t1020.6\t107.2\t(184)\n187.\tBulldogs 973\t1019.7\t23.4\t(181)\n188.\tvoyageurs 996\t1017.2\t2.7\t(176)\n189.\tAbsolut Lehigh 984\t1015.4\t8.9\t(190)\n190.\tRepublican Dirty Tricksters 930\t1010.4\t66.0\t(188)\n191.\tHenry\'s Bar B Q 990\t1007.7\t0.7\t(197)\n192.\tDr.D And The S.O.D. 968\t1007.3\t17.1\t(192)\n193.\tBunch of Misfits 957\t1006.9\t23.8\t(193)\n194.\tRobyns Team 955\t1005.5\t30.0\t(198)\n195.\tYellow Plague 969\t1003.4\t14.2\t(191)\n196.\tNinja Turtles 982\t1003.0\t1.3\t(194)\n197.\tTeam Melville 930\t999.1\t46.9\t(199)\n198.\tAcadien 962\t998.6\t18.3\t(201)\n199.\tDARMAN\'S Dragons 950\t998.4\t28.3\t(209)\n200.\tKuta Papercuts 961\t998.2\t18.5\t(207)\n201.\tGreat Expectations 972\t998.0\t2.3\t(195)\n202.\tCobra\'s Killers 942\t996.4\t31.7\t(205)\n203.\tCherry Bombers 971\t995.6\t1.2\t(196)\n204.\tJayson\'s Kinky Pucks 943\t989.9\t26.9\t(204)\n205.\tKiller Apes 947\t989.7\t24.3\t(208)\n206.\tKaufbeuren Icebreakers 929\t989.1\t37.6\t(202)\n207.\tUmpire 4 life 950\t987.8\t11.1\t(200)\n208.\tRoger Smith 927\t987.0\t39.6\t(210)\n209.\tFirebirds 960\t983.8\t3.9\t(203)\n210.\tThose 1st few weeks hurt! 905\t982.9\t55.9\t(211)\n211.\tIKEA Wholesale 958\t982.0\t1.7\t(213)\n212.\tOutlaws 903\t975.6\t164.9\t(206)\n213.\tThe 200 Club 944\t969.4\t6.8\t(219)\n214.\tThundering Herd 887\t966.7\t163.6\t(212)\n215.\tBelieve it or dont 926\t966.6\t21.1\t(214)\n216.\tCreeping Death 924\t965.7\t21.3\t(217)\n217.\tKnee Injuries 932\t965.6\t10.4\t(218)\n218.\tCrazy Euros 927\t965.3\t17.9\t(220)\n219.\tFrack Attack 918\t965.0\t27.3\t(221)\n\tTodd\'s Turkeys 942\t965.0\t1.9\t(222)\n221.\tRyan\'s Renegades 893\t961.7\t50.9\t(223)\n222.\tfred mckim 889\t961.5\t93.0\t(215)\n223.\t400 Hurricane 909\t960.4\t32.1\t(216)\n224.\tpig vomit 936\t958.3\t1.3\t(225)\n225.\tIce Strykers 882\t955.4\t105.4\t(226)\n226.\tFighting Geordies 882\t953.7\t141.6\t(227)\n227.\tCDN Stuck in Alabama 925\t951.6\t10.3\t(228)\n228.\tdayton bomber 932\t951.5\t0.0\t(236)\n229.\tCafall and Crew 892\t948.2\t38.3\t(224)\n230.\tChris of Death 872\t945.0\t83.6\t(232)\n231.\tSwillbellies 902\t941.9\t18.7\t(230)\n232.\tBanko\'s Beer Rangers 913\t940.4\t4.2\t(233)\n\tZipper Heads 892\t940.4\t33.9\t(237)\n234.\tNY Flames 907\t938.8\t7.8\t(234)\n235.\tShip\'s Way 913\t938.7\t8.7\t(229)\n236.\tLaubsters II 861\t937.6\t201.6\t(235)\n237.\tOz 878\t934.1\t35.0\t(231)\n238.\tJoliet Inmates 872\t933.5\t45.8\t(239)\n239.\tNinja Bunnies 858\t925.9\t44.9\t(238)\n240.\tGreat Scott 853\t924.6\t73.3\t(242)\n241.\tWidefield White Wolves 861\t919.7\t36.9\t(240)\n242.\tThe Ice Holes 890\t912.7\t2.7\t(246)\n243.\tSANDY\'S SABRES 886\t910.8\t4.7\t(244)\n244.\tDaves Team 858\t910.7\t32.0\t(241)\n245.\tSouth Carolina Tiger Paws 835\t909.0\t78.4\t(243)\n246.\tFlorida Tech Burgh Team 844\t908.9\t49.3\t(245)\n247.\tLeos Blue Chips 874\t902.5\t10.4\t(247)\n248.\tFor xtc 874\t900.0\t8.2\t(248)\n249.\troadrunners 861\t899.7\t18.5\t(249)\n250.\tMudville Kings 851\t897.8\t27.6\t(250)\n251.\tNew Jersey Rob 876\t894.2\t0.7\t(253)\n252.\tRedliners 856\t893.3\t15.9\t(251)\n253.\tPat Phillips 859\t887.6\t10.1\t(252)\n254.\tStewart Clamen 851\t869.6\t1.6\t(254)\n255.\tDemon Spawn 820\t866.1\t25.0\t(255)\n256.\tSunnyvale Storm 804\t818.4\t0.2\t(256)\n257.\tAllez les Blues 738\t809.1\t476.9\t(257)\n258.\tUp For Sale Hockey Club 749\t789.4\t23.0\t(258)\n259.\tPetes Picks 721\t788.0\t168.5\t(259)\n260.\tRINACO 709\t781.8\t114.0\t(260)\n261.\tBrenz Revenge 691\t713.3\t4.0\t(261)\n262.\tDinamo Riga 595\t663.9\t571.6\t(262)\n-- \nAndrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com\nHP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253\n\nDuring the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...\n',
'From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)\nSubject: Rockies 2-5, two more errors, 6 more walks\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 36\n\n\nName Pos AB H 2B 3B HR RBI RS SB E AVG\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBoston OF 12 7 2 6 .583\nGalarraga 1B 28 13 3 1 9 2 .464\nTatum 3B 5 2 1 .400\nCole CF 24 9 1 2 8 2 .375\nE. Young 2B 28 9 1 1 1 5 10 5 3 .321\nHayes 3B 25 7 1 2 5 2 1 2 .280\nMurphy OF 4 1 1 .250\nBichette RF 21 5 1 5 3 1 .238\nClark LF 24 5 2 2 1 .208\nGirardi C 25 5 1 1 3 2 .200\nCastilla SS 6 1 1 .167\nBenavides SS 18 1 2 1 4 .056\nG. Young OF 1 1 .000\nPITCHERS P 12 .000\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTotals 233 65 9 3 5 34 37 9 11 .279\n\nName L/R IP H R ER K BB ERA W L S\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nWayne L 2.7 3 0 0 3 2 0.00 0 0 0\nAldred L 5 4 3 1 1 6 1.80 0 0 0\nSmith R 12.3 15 3 3 2 3 2.19 1 1 0\nAshby R 5 6 2 2 3 5 3.60 0 0 0 \nNeid R 12 15 6 6 5 8 4.50 1 1 0\nParrett R 5.7 7 3 3 7 3 4.76 0 0 0\nBlair R 5.3 7 5 3 2 3 5.06 0 0 0\nHenry L 6 9 6 5 4 1 7.50 0 1 0\nRuffin L 3 7 6 5 3 4 15.00 0 1 0\nReed R 2.7 7 7 7 1 3 23.63 0 0 0\nHolmes R 1.3 6 10 9 1 4 60.75 0 1 0\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTotals 61 86 51 44 32 42 6.49 2 5 0\n\n',
'From: xandor@unixg.ubc.ca (John Gilbert )\nSubject: Re: Exploding TV!\nOrganization: The University of British Columbia\nLines: 4\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\n Just as a not of possible interest on this subject ..\nIt is my understanding that exploding televisions were a major cause of\ndomestic accidents in the Soviet Union in past years!\n \n',
"From: rknight@stiatl.salestech.com (Ray Knight)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nKeywords: Stupid Programming\nOrganization: Sales Technologies, Inc.\nLines: 19\n\nuk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes:\n\n>re: majority of users not readding from floppy.\n>Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use\n>CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked\n>the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current\n>didrectory?\n\n\n Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or\nTMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2\napplications.\n\n\n-- \nWhat I have to say is my own opinion and has no bearing on any other person or\norganization including my employer.\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nrknight@salestech.com (404) 841-5316 Sales Technologies, Inc.\n",
'From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)\nSubject: EICO tube tester repairs? \nReply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg\nOrganization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems.\nLines: 14\n\nI had the good luck to obtain an EICO dynamic conductance \ntube tester for a song. Unfortunately, I was a little out of\nkey; the only thing wrong with it was an open meter movement.\nDoes anyone know where I can find either another meter movement\nlike it, a dead-but-not-the-meter-dead unit, or schematics \nto specify the current scale of the meter movement? I can cut\nand paste a more sensitive movement in if I can find what the\nfull scale current was. Or... is EICO still contactable?\n\nThe thing is a model 666 -nope, not a joke or any sort of snide\nreference.\n\nR.G.\n\n',
"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nKeywords: science errors Turpin \nNntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <C5JoDH.9IG@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:\n>\n>Furthermore, the big bucks approach to science promotes what I think is\n>one of the most significant errors in science: choosing to investigate\n>questions because they can be readily handled by the currently\n>fashionable methodology (or because one can readily get institutional\n>or corporate sponsorship for them) instead of directing attention to\n>those questions which seem to have fundamental significance.\n\nShades of James Watson! That's exactly the way many workers have described\ntheir misgivings about the Human Genome Project. If you take a rigid \ndefinition of scientific research, the mere accumulation of data is not \ndoing science. One of the early arguments against the project were that the \nresources would be better used to focus on specific genetics-related \nproblems rather than just going off and collecting maps and sequence. \nThe project can't be so narrowly defined or easily described now though.\n",
'From: New Liberation News Service <nlns@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483600108:000:9540\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!nlns Apr 14 20:42:00 1993\nLines: 164\n\n\nFrom: New Liberation News Service <nlns>\nSubject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face\n\n/* Written 8:33 pm Apr 14, 1993 by nlns@igc.apc.org in igc:nlns.news */\n/* ---------- "NLNS Packet 3.11 *** 4-14-93" ---------- */\n\nFascism with a Friendly Face: Does Rush Limbaugh Remind You of \nAnyone?\nDaevid Bornhuetter-Machen, The Madison Edge\n\n"The main difference between Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh is that \nHitler was original and showed initiative." \n--Mort Sahl on The Tom Snyder Radio Show, ABC Radio Network, \nOctober 27, 1992.\n\n(NLNS)--Believe it or not, I was planning this comparative review of \nMein Kampf and Limbaugh\'s transcribed rant, The Way Things Ought to \nBe before Sahl issued his comparative review. As usual, Sahl\'s was \nindependent and sharp as a scalpel.\n\tMy effort can only dream of comparing favorably to Mort\'s. At \nleast it has a fairly popular orginating premise; everyone I\'d mention the \nidea to thought it was either divinely inspired or at least past due for \ndelivery.\n\tThose reactions are based on parallels that should be obvious to the \nmost peripheral observer of the Acts of those False Prophets. Both are \nnoted for their galvanizing oratorical skills, which they both used with \npassion to generate a political cult of massive numerical proportions (in \nfact, Limbaugh claims to have an audience of just over 12 million, almost \nidentical to the number of votes cast for Hitler in the April 1932 German \nelection). Both used a myopic social perspective to build the cult, and \nenthusiastically amputated facts from the record to fabricate their \nideological quilt.\n\tThe last point is glaringly documented by passages in the opening \npages of both books. Hitler\'s example is when, on page 5, he claims the \nGerman nationalist terrorist Leo Schlageter (he bombed part of a railway \nline between Dusseldorf and Duisburg, being caught in the act, in 1923) \nwas "betrayed to France by a representative of his government" when \nthere has never been any factual foundation for such a statement.\n\tIn fact, the governments of both the Reich and Prussia, as well as \nthe Vatican, actively intervened to save him from execution, and almost \nsucceeded. Limbaugh follows suit by making the hysterically sarcastic \nclaim in his introduction that "in a school or during a commencement \nceremony or many other public places... God is unconstitutional." Of \ncourse, it\'s not God but the official imposition of particular concepts of \nGod against an individual\'s will that\'s unconstitutional. But Limbaugh is \ntoo gleeful in his talent for distortion to want you to know that.\n\tOf course, one would assume that, by comparing the two books, \nmy main point would be that The Way Things Ought to Be is the modern \nAmerican Mein Kampf. Not really. At the time of the first German version \nof Mein Kampf, Hitler was just four months out of prison (June, 1925), \nand trying to reorganize the Nazis. He used the book to build his dozen \nmillion followers. Limbaugh, on the other hand, came up with his book \nafter building his dozen million. Twelve million went a longer way in \nWeimar Germany that it does in the Republicrat United States.\n\tThus, the more accurate parallels would be that Limbaugh\'s daily \nthree-hour radio show is the American Mein Kampf, the primary \npropoganda tool used to pump up the angry volume; and that The Way \nThings Ought to Be is actually the American Triumph of the Will, a \ntranslation of the same fascist message into a different medium. Also, the \nprinted word was the more important medium in Weimar Germany, since \nradio was still being thought of by impoverished Germans as a medium of \nluxury in 1925. Today, on the other hand, Americans are more likely to \nspend a few seconds to tune a radio dial at no monetary charge than drop \n$22 for 304 pages of transcripts of the same words.\n\tBut, as Mort Sahl also observed on the radio the other night, some \ncloutmeister of the radical right wants Limbaugh to be a focal point of \ntheir propoganda. (And remember, Sahl is an Al Haig conservative these \ndays.)\n\tMort might not know exactly who Rush\'s equivalent of Rodolf \nHess is (the book itself suggests Ed McLaughlin, the former president of \nABC radio and now Limbaugh\'s partner in EFM Media, the radio \nprogram\'s production company). But Mort himself is a veteran of the talk \nshow, having hosted them in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. He \nknows what evil lurks in the hearts of major market media men. He knows \nthat Limbaugh could not have collected his audience had not the \nopportunity been placed on a silver platter and handed to him. Limbaugh \nearns his money just as honestly as Al Capone did; it\'s almost worthy of a \nRICO indictment.\n\tOn questions of social issues, there is an overabundance of \nmaterial in the Limbaugh book that seems to echo Hitler\'s venom. For \nexample:\n\nOn Their Own Qualifications to Control Society\n\tHitler: "Out of the host of sometimes millions of people, who \nindividually more or less clearly and distinctly guess the truth, partly \nperhaps understand it, one man [author\'s emphasis] must step forward in \norder to form, with apodeictic force, out of the wavering world of \nimagination of the great masses, granite principles, and to take up the fight \nfor their sole correctness, until out of the playing waves of a free world of \nthought a brazen rock of uniform combination of form and will arises" \n(page 577).\n\tLimbaugh: "Who needs the media when they\'ve got me? ... The \nshow is devoted exclusively to what I think ... [the phrase "with half my \nbrain tied behind my back to make it even"] denotes the egress of mental \naptitude I require to engage and demolish liberals and others who disagree \nwith me ... It might take four or five years, but I\'m convinced The Media \nwill slowly and reluctantly come around to my way of thinking, kicking \nand screaming all the way." (pages 266, 21, 299 and 273, respectively.)\n\nOn Religion as the Basis of a Nation\n\tHitler: "In this world human culture and civilization are \ninseperably bound up with the existence of the Aryan. His dying-off or his \ndecline would again lower upon this earth the dark veils of a time without \nculture ... He who dares to lay hand upon the highest image of the Lord \nsins against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and helps in the \nexpulsion from Paradise." (Page 581.)\n\tLimbaugh: "America was founded as a Judeo-Christian country ... \nBut our intellectual and political elites are often either hostile or \nambivalent toward religion ... People for whom belief in God is at best a \ncharming superstition have managed to ban prayer from the public schools \nfor the last thirty years. Is it only a coincidence that the quality of \nAmerican education has declined ever since?" (pages 274-5.)\n\nOn Popular Culture as a Reason for Social Collapse\n\tHitler: "The fight against the poisoning of the soul has to set in ... \nOne has only to look at the menus of our movie houses, vaudevilles and \ntheatres; and one can hardly deny that this is not the right kind of food ... \nTheatre, art, literature, movies, the press, billposters and window displays \nmust be cleaned of the symptoms of a rotting world and put into the \nservice of a moral idea of State and culture." (pages 346 and 348.)\n\tLimbaugh: "Today, Hollywood is in trouble. The reason [is] that \nHollywood has forgotten who its audience is ... They make fun of people \nwho believe in God. They ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality \nand monagamy. They disparage American heroes." (page 254.)\n\nOn the News Meida\n\tHitler: "The activity of the so-called liberal press was the work of \ngravediggers for the German people and the German Reich. One can pass \nby in silence the Marxist papers of lies ... it\'s task is only to break the \npeople\'s folkish and national spine, in order to make it ripe for the yoke of \nslavery of international capital and its masters, the Jews." (Page 331.)\n\tLimbaugh: "Elements of The Media have jumped on the \nbandwagon of leftist causes. The cynical journalist of the past has been \nreplaced in many cases by an enthusiastic cheerleader for causes ... During \nthe Gulf war, CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw [said] CNN is a global \nnetwork. We can\'t take sides. Cant take sides? --- --- ---! ... If they don\'t \nrealize that their freedom lies in the United States of America and that \ntherefore they should defend this nation, they are hopelessly misguided \nand, may I suggest, flirting with megalomania." (pages 270 and 268.)\n\n* * *\n\t\nTo continue these comparative excerpts is certainly possible, but \nultimately too depressing to take in one reading.\n\tAfter putting these books down, there is one undeniable fact that \nhaunts me. In the 1920s, Adolf Hitler fed depressed and frightened \nGermans the opiate of hatred of those around them; in turn, it allowed \nGermans to hand their collective national power to the Nazis. In the 1990s, \nRush Limbaugh is doing the very same thing: distributing hatred to \ndepressed and frightened Americans; in turn, it is helping the American \nradical right to maintain its power base as the 12-year nightmare of the \nReagan-Bush era comes to an end, hoping to rebuild it into their hopes for \nThe Fascist States of America.\n\tAnd if Limbaugh is not as repellant a Hitler, it is only because the \nradical right utilizes Limbaugh as its own gateway opiate. One can only \nwonder what the ultimate drug is they plan to hook America on.\n\nThe Madison Edge can be reached at PO Box 845, Madison, WI 53701-\n0845; (608) 255-4460.\n\n--- 30 ---\n\n\n',
'From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)\nSubject: S1, S2\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n > Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not\n >a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-\n >security.\n\n The only theory that makes any sense is that S1 and S2 are either the\nsame for all chips, or vary among very few possibilities, so that anyone\ntrying to break the encryption by brute force need only plow through the\npossible serial numbers (2^30, about one billion), multiplied by the number\nof different S1, S2 combinations.\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz)\nSubject: SSRT Roll-Out Speech\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 101\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n SSRT ROLLOUT\n\n Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden,\n The Deputy for Technology, SDIO\n \n Mcdonnell Douglas - Huntington Beach\n April 3,1993\n\n Most of you, as am I, are "children of the 1960\'s." We grew\nup in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles,\nnuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were\nmiracles of our parent\'s doing. For a decade and more the pundits\nhave told us - "you\'ve lost it!" The "me" generation is only\nliving on the accomplishments of the past.\n\n You and I have even begun to believe the pessimists. We\nlisten in awe as the past generation tells of its triumphs. Living\nhistory they are. We are privileged to hear those who did it tell\nof it. A few weeks ago some of this very team listened in awe as\nGeneral Bernie Schriever told of his team\'s work - and yes struggle\n- to build this nation\'s Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.\n\n What stories can we tell? Blurry-eyed telescopes? Thousand\ndollar toilet seats? Even our space launch vehicles hearken only\nof that past great time. They are and seem destined to remain Gen.\nSchriever\'s ICBMs. I find it hard to swell with pride that the\nbest new space-lifter idea is to refurbish old Minuteman and\nPoseidon ballistic missiles.\n\n Well - The pessimists are wrong. The legacy is continuing. \nThis event is proof. To our technological parents: We\'ve listened\nto your stories. We\'ve caught your enthusiasm and can-do spirit. \nAnd we\'ve learned from your achievements - and your mistakes. Let\nme honor one of you who was part of that history and the impetus\nbehind this history - Max Hunter. You are one of the greatest\nengineers of the firts great age of space exploration. Your\ninsight and discipline built the Thor ICBM - later incorporated\ninto today\'s most successful launch vehicle - The Delta.\n\n You told us in the 60\'s that a new form of launch vehicle - a\nsingle stage reusable rocket - can and should be built. You\nadvocated this idea tirelessly. It was elegantly simple, as are\nall great breakthroughs. You showed us how to build it. You\nconvinced us it could be done. You are working by our side to weld\nits components into place. Most important - you reminded us of a\nprime engineering principle - undoubtably one you learned from the\ngeneration before you - the generation that built transcontinental\naviation in the 1920\'s and 30\'s - build a little and test a little\nand Max, you passed all of this on to people like Pat Ladner who\nstarted this program for the SDI.\n\n Douglas Aircraft didn\'t start with a DC-10. They didn\'t even\nstart with a DC-3. Our grandfathers built a little, tested a\nlittle - even sold a little and made a little money - before they\nmoved on to the next step. They didn\'t take a decade or more\nbefore putting the first "rubber on the road." Max Hunter - you\ndidn\'t take ten years to build Thor, and by God we\'re not going to\ntake ten years to show that low cost, single stage, reusable\naerospace transportation is real.\n\n We ended the cold war in a few short years. It took the same\nteam here today but a few years to show through the Strategic\nDefense Initiative that the cold war must end. We - you and us -\nlaunched a series of satellites - The Delta experiments - in about\na year apiece. This, more than anything else signaled our\ncommitment to end the impasse between ourselves and the Soviet\nUnion. Those who made the decisions on both sides have underscored\nthe importance of our work in bringing about a new international\nrelationship.\n\n But it is the same team which is now putting in place the\nframework for an aerospace expansion that is our legacy for the\nnext generation. We will make space access routine and affordable.\n\n We built this magnificent flying machine in two years. This\nsummer a true rocket ship will take off and land on earth for the\nfirst time. Then we can and surely will build in the next three\nyears a reusable sub-orbital rocket. It will allow us to use space\nrapidly, affordably, and efficiently as no other nation can. And\nyes - we\'ll make a little money off it too!\n\n Then - and only then - we\'ll spend another three years to\nbuild a fully reusable single stage to orbit system. The DC-3 of\nspace will be a reality! We may even be able to use some of the\nrocket propulsion breakthroughs of our former cold war adversaries. \nWhat a wonderful irony if this SDI product and Russian efforts to\ncounter SDI merge to power mankind\'s next step to the stars!\n\n To be sure, we must guard against the temptations to leap to\nthe final answer. Robert Goddard\'s first rockets weren\'t Saturn\nV\'s! If we succumb to the temptation to ask for just a few extra\ndollars and a few more years to jump immediately to a full orbital\nsystem - we will fail. Max Hunter and his colleagues showed the\nway. Three years and a cloud of dust - in our case rocket\nexhausts. There is no short-cut. If we expect to reshape the\nworld again - we must do it one brick at a time. Minds on tasks at\nhand!\n\n This project is real. The torch of American technological\ngreatness is being passed. We are Americans. This machine is\nAmerican. Let\'s go fly it!\n',
'From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)\nSubject: Some thoughts on Clipper proposal \nOrganization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA\nLines: 25\n\n\nI envision incorporation of new standart into\nvarious communication systems, thus making it prevalent on the market & \ntherefore cheap. The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from \ncommunication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip \nto the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the\nform of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks \nwill encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone.\nNatural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the \ngovernment databases - or else this new version of "wiretap proposal" \nmake no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular \nperson, not on the particular modem or phone.\n \nAs a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won\'t care about\nability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now \nanyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens, \nmaking it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when\ninterceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of \nstate officials ?\n\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: jmatkins@quads.uchicago.edu (Jonny A (Voltron))\nSubject: Panasonic dot matrix printer: $165 complete\nReply-To: jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 41\n\n\nI would like to sell my dot matrix printer so I can upgrade to inkjet.\nIt is a "Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer". Here are the\nstats (from memory and the manual):\n\n- 360x360 dot-printing for hi-res graphics, etc.\n- VERY fast (up to 192 cps) printing in "printer-controlled" (as\n\topposed to Windows driver-controlled) printing\n- Bidirectional printing for faster processing speed\n- 5 fonts ("courier","prestige","bold ps","script","sans serif")\n- Epson LQ-2500 and IBM Proprinter X24 printer emulation\n- Can accept single sheets, envelopes, and 3 non-carbon copies by\n\tfriction feed\n- Front or bottom paper feed\n- 6KB buffer\n\nI will send a sample document and a printed GIF/JPEG file to anyone\nwho wishes to send a SASE. With purchase (prepaid, please!), I will\ninclude the following accessories:\n\n- Manual\n- cable (Centronics)\n- remaining stack of tractor-fed paper (about .4")\n- FREE copy of Windows printer driver (unless this is illegal, or if\n\tit is included with Windows)\n- FREE unregistered DOS shareware program ($2 registration, I think)\n\tthat apparently offers some word processing capabilities\n\tfrom DOS\n\nThe last two will be on a disk (either size). I am asking for around\n$165, but I am open to any (reasonable) offers. I am a college\nstudent, so I cannot afford to buy a new printer without getting a\nconsiderable portion of the money from this printer. This price\nincludes all above items, and shipping (probably UPS) is included as\nwell. I have the original box, but only one of the original Styrofoam\nend pieces. I will use a towel on the other end (you get a free towel\ntoo!!). Worked fine getting it here. The whole shebang might not fit\nin the original box; I will figure this out after the offers come in.\nEmail any questions and offers.\t\t-Jon.\n--\njmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu | jmatkins@ellis.uchicago.edu\n',
'From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)\nSubject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions\nKeywords: questions\nOrganization: Chevron\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:\n\n I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend:\n\n model wgt hp\n Stealth 3086 164\n Stealth ES 3186 222\n Stealth RT 3373 222\n Stealth RT TT 3803 300\n\n Okay, I\'ll take "their" word for it.\n\n\n> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is\n> rated at 205. 222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang\n\n Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford\n changed its testing procedures. Under the older procedures, it still \n rates closer to 225 hp. That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more.\n \n And you still haven\'t posted any weight figures for the Mustang.\n\n\n> Big threat. You are KO\'d by a Civic, acording to C+D \n\n Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams. And that\'s probably where you got \n that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth.\n\n\n>> I\'ll check C&D\'s 5/91 issue. Strange that you claim to have that \n>\n> Go ahead and check asshole, you\'ll realize what an idiot you are for not\n> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp,\n> automatic.\n\n For 3 posts now you\'ve been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver\n without posting any numbers. Why not? Because they prove me right and you\n ain\'t got the guts to admit it? Yeah, thought so.\n\n\n> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car.\n> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and\n> report please.\n\n No, I\'m going to play your game -\n\n No way, Sentra\'s are SLOW! I took a test drive and it took\n 21.7 to go 0-50! Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors\n off. Any 12 yr old knows that! I race and I\'ll kick your butt! \n blah, blah, blah...\n\n Let\'s see ... yep, that sounds just like you. \n Oh man, I just got it! Beavis & Butthead - that\'s you!\n\n\n> Who would buy a FWD automatic, that costs $20K+ that is capable of only\n> a 15.8 and would plainly be dusted by a SE-R?\n\n I dunno, why did you?\n\n But why would someone pick the Dodge Stealth RT over the Nissan Sentra?\n All it takes is one look.\n\n \n TRAVIS\n',
"From: jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney)\nSubject: Re: anti-theft devices\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nLines: 36\nOriginator: jdmooney@koinsv02\n\n\nIn article <99948@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, rhaar@gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes:\n> In article 3056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com, jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney) writes:\n> |>\n> |>Someone writes:\n> |>> \n> |>> BTW, somebody stole the front grille off my beat-up 1983 Nissan Sentra\n> |>> a few weeks ago! I couldn't believe it. I'm just driving around\n> |>> without it now.\n> |>\n> |>Years ago, my brother lived in a ROUGH area.... he left his NOVA \n> |>parked on the street in FRONT of his house for a few days..... \n> |>one day he went to move it back into the driveway, it wouldn't start....\n> |>\n> |>Seems some industrious fool needed a NOVA GAS TANK..... the fool found\n> |>one under my brothers car. \n> |>\n> \n> The engines in VW Beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car\n> or even opening the engine compartment. How would you like to find that\n> your car wouldn't start because the engine was stolen?\n> \n\nI would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer... a gas tank is about\n50$ in a junkyard. An engine... more!\n\nSeriously though, my other brother, DARRELL, left his VW on the same\nstreet... someone stole the radiator out of it.... try finding a VW\nradiator in a junkyard :-) I DARE YOU !\n\nJD\n-- \n********************************************************************************\n* John D Mooney Delco Electronics General Motors *\n* ------------------ jdmooney@kocrsv01@delcoelect.com -------------------------*\n* Opinions expressed are MINE... NOT necessarily DE's or GM's *\n",
"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nDistribution: na\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 39\n\nSteve Kao (k@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote:\n: Frank Crary posted:\n: : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the\n: : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that\n: : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without\n: : any paperwork at all.\n\n: Steve Manes asks:\n: > Got a citation for this?\n\n: Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun\n: control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK. His book,\n: _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name\n: may be misspelled).\n\nOthers dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, <America As A Gun Culture>,\nand Newton and Zimring's <Firearms and Violence in American Life>. But,\nagain, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to\nquantify.\n\nI don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO\neffect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun\nhomicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More\nAmerican children accidentally shot other children last year (15)\nthan all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National\nSafety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs\nTOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison).\n\nIf Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and\ncoordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my\nfriend, Amanda from Brighton. I used to have some pretty nice\ncrystal in my place until she moved in. I've gotten used to the\nsnide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber\nwine glasses.\n\n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t New York, NY, USA =o&>o\n\n",
'From: rwrona@cbnewse.cb.att.com (robert.wrona)\nSubject: \tTOWNHOME for sale in WHEATON\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: townhome, wheaton, sale...\nLines: 47\n\n\nTOWNHOME FOR SALE IN WHEATON\n\tBriarcliffe Lakes of Wheaton\n\tJust North Of Butterfield Road\n\nCall (708) 682-8222 and ask for Harriet Bode (Prudential Realty)\n\nDescription: A very neat, well cared for, low maintenance\n starter coach home in very fine condition located on a\n\t\tcul-de-sac . Just move in. \n\nRooms:(5+1)\t- Eat in kitchen (10.3 X 9.2)\n\t\t- Large master bedroom (12.6 X 12.6)\n\t\t- Spare Bedroom (12.6 X 10)\n\t\t- Dining Room (10.9 X 9)\n\t\t- Living Room (21 X 11.10)\n\t\t- Utility Room (10 X 5.5)\n\t\t- 1.25 Baths\n\t\t\nAppliances: - Stove(gas), refrigerator and dish washer\n - Garage opener\n - Washer and Dryer\n - Garbage Disposal\n - Gas water heater (3 Years Old)\n - Central A/C with DIGITAL Thermostat.\n\nHighlights:\t- Electric Fire Place in living room.\n\t\t- Sliding glass doors which open up to a patio with a\n\t\t secluded back yard area. \n\t - Plenty of storage space with patio storage closet and\n\t\t storage closet in garage. \n\t\t- New ceiling fan in Dining Room,\n - Completely remodeled bathroom (new wallpaper, shower\n\t\t door, shower tile, etc...)\n - Mini blinds for all windows\n - Newer carpets (beige) (About 3 Years old)\n - One car garage and plenty of guest parking\n\nAssociation Fees: $105.90 which includes the following:\n \n - Lawn Maintenance\n - Snow Removal\n - All Exterior building maintenance\n\nTaxes 1992: $1,700\n\nASKING PRICE OF HOME: $91,900\n',
"From: marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU)\nSubject: The source of that announcement\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 38\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: oliver.mit.edu\n\nThe message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the\nfollowing address:\n\n\tclipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement)\n\nJust who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer.\n\n % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25\n Trying...\n Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.\n Escape character is '^]'.\n 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT\n expn clipper\n 250-<csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov>\n 250-<denning@cs.georgetown.edu>\n 250-<hoffman@seas.gwu.edu>\n 250-<mkapor@eff.org>\n 250-<rotenberg@cpsr.org>\n 250-<rivest@mit.edu>\n 250-<mhellman@stanford.edu>\n 250-<alanrp@aol.com>\n 250-<dparker@sri.com>\n 250-<jim@rsa.com>\n 250-<branstad@tis.com>\n 250 <mgrsplus@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov>\n quit\n 221 first.org closing connection\n Connection closed.\n\nWell, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc\nRotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others. The Government, RSA,\nTIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented. I don't suppose anybody\nwithin any of these organizations would care to comment? Or is this\njust the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes?\n\n\t\tMarc\n--\nMarc Horowitz N1NZU <marc@mit.edu>\t\t\t\t617-253-7788\n",
'From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <<Pompous ass\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n[...]\n>>The "`little\' things" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People\n>>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any.\n>That\'s not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather\n>pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler\n>arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used\n>in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest \n>of the population.\n\nThese don\'t seem like "little things" to me. At least, they are orders\nworse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a "little thing"\nthat will lead to worse things?\n\nkeith\n',
"Subject: Music for sale...\nFrom: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu (The force is strong with you...but you are not a Jedi yet.)\nReply-To: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu (The force is strong with you...but you are not a Jedi yet.)\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Kansas City\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu\nLines: 23\n\n\n\tTHe following listed tapes are priced to sell. A friend of mine wants\nto get rid of them, so let's just have some bids, why don't we?\n\nAll Are Tapes, BTW.\n\n\n\nAC/DC \t\tBack in Black \t\tgood condition\n \t\tRazor's edge \t\texcellent\nPoison \t\tOpen up and... \t\tExcellent\n \t\tFlesh & Blood \t\tExcellent\nGuns & Roses Appetite for Destr.. Fair\n \t\tUse your Ill. #1\tgood\n\t\tUSe your Ill. #2\tgood\nSkid Row\tBside ourselves\t\tTape OK, Case cracked\n\t\tSlave to the grind\texcellent\nJackyl\t\tJackyl\t\t\tExcellent\nBon Jovi\tKeep the Faith(single) Excellent\n\nTHis is for her, not for me...\n\nJason\n",
"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: space food sticks\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\nKeywords: food\n\ndillon comments that Space Food Sticks may have bad digestive properties.\n\nI don't think so. I think most NASA food products were designed to\nbe low fiber 'zero-residue' products so as to minimize the difficulties\nof waste disposal. I'd doubt they'd deploy anything that caused whole sale\nGI distress. There aren't enough plastic baggies in the world for\na bad case of GI disease.\n\npat\n",
'From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle)\nSubject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk\nOrganization: the Syllabub Sea\nLines: 55\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nMark McWiggins <markmc@halcyon.com> reminds us:\n\nMM> Also, don\'t forget that it\'s better for your health \nMM> to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ...\n\nYES!\n\nI call this notion "psychological health food" and, in fact, have\ndetermined that the Four Food Groups are Ice Cream, Pizza, Barbecue, and\nChocolate. Ideally, every meal should contain something from at least two\nof these four groups. Food DOES serve functions other than nutrition, and\none of them is keeping the organism happy and thus aiding its immune\nsystem. \n\nAnd I didn\'t spend a million bucks commissioning a study that told me to\nredraw my silly little pyramid in different colors and with a friendlier\ntypeface, either. (Ref: Consumer Reports\' back page--one of the best\nthings ever to turn up there.)\n\nRich Young <young@serum.kodak.com> writes of one of six impossible things:\nRY> to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."\n\nDonald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu> confesses:\nDM> I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions.\nDM> No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic.\n\nYeah, I want to try one of those 42oz steaks (cooked over applewood) at\nWally\'s Wolf Lodge Inn in Coeur d\'Alene. That seems quite\nunrealistic--unrealistically SMALL. And a few slabs of ribs from the East\nTexas Smoker (RIP, again) in Louisville is not at all unrealistic either. \n\nWhat say we have a rec.food.cooking dinner at the Moonlite Bar-B-Que Inn in\nOwensboro? (It\'s all you can eat including lamb ribs & mutton for about\n$10.) We could invite Julie Kangas as guest of honor and see if the\nMoonlite\'s Very Hot Sauce is too hot for her. (It IS too hot for me, and I\ndon\'t say that very often.) And she could bring ice cream with crushed\ndried chiltepins for dessert. \n\nAnd we could see if there IS such a thing as an "unrealistically large\nquantity" of barbecue--the owner of the Moonlite estimates that the\nOwensboro restaurants serve a hundred thousand pounds of meat a week in the\nsummer, and forty thousand in the winter--in a town of 50 000 or so. Two\npounds per person per week? Again, sure sounds unrealistic to me--thats\njust too meager to be healthy.\n\n~ Kiran (Now a two-pound slab of ribs a day, THAT\'s realistic.)\n\n-- \nFUZZY PINK NIVEN\'S LAW: Never Waste Calories. Potato chips, candy,\nwhipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your\ndietician, your wardrobe, and other factors. But Fuzzy Pink\'s Law implies:\nDon\'t eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped cream, or an\ninferior hot fudge sundae.\n Larry Niven, NIVEN\'S LAWS, N-SPACE\n\n',
'From: johnr@cactus.org (John Hughes Rost)\nSubject: Voice Processing for IBM PCs\nKeywords: VOICE PROCESSING HARDWARE SOFTWARE\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nDistribution: tx\nLines: 29\n\n SALE: VOICE PROCESSING SYSTEM for IBM compatibles\n\n Item: DIALOGIC/41B Multi-line Voice Processing System\n \n Description: The DIALOG/41B is a PC XT/AT board that provides\n processing functions and call progress analysis for four \n independent phone lines simultaneously. The D/41B features \n the ability to record, playback, autoanswer, auto-dial,\n detect and generate DTMF tones, and perform telephone\n mamagement functions.\n\n With this card you can make your computer talk on\n 4 phone lines simultaneously. You can design your own\n ANSWERING SYSTEM or by one already programmed. You can build\n your own DIGITAL PAGER business and open up a business for \n VOICE MAILBOXES.\n \n Comes complete with manuals and demo software and programming\n libraries for C (UNIX and DOS). \n \n\n PRICE: LIST $1395.00\n YOU PAY $795.00 \n\n For more info send mail!\n\n Contact: John Rost\n (512) 343-0332 <leave message>\n johnr@cactus.org <send mail>\n',
'From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)\nSubject: NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 17\nReply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI\'m plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000. My car has 11,500\nmiles on it and is a \'92 model. The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a \'91\nmodel with 23,000miles on it. It has a T-Bar Roof, a/c, and an airbag,\nwhich my Sentra does not have. They are asking for $1500. Is that a fair\ndeal? The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not\nseem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical\nengine. I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine\nto it\'s limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000\'s\nengine is a little "tight." So, if I buy the NX2000 and "excercise" it\nwell, should that slight power problem go away? Any advice on this will be\nmuch appreciated. Thanks. Please reply via e-mail if possible.\n-- \nA motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA\nSanta Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.\n\n"The mind is the forerunner of all states."\n',
"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)\nSubject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 22\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu\n\nIn article <ygoland.735123994@wright>\n\tygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:\n\n>Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as\n>Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption\n>process?\n\nFollowing precedent in other areas, the government is likely to put a tax on\nencryption technology. Once the tax is imposed, it becomes a federal matter\nand suspicision of an unlicensed cryptographic tool will bring the BATF or\nFBI tossing grenades into your house. (The BATF appears to be the logical\nagency to enforce such regulations: federal control over alocohol, tobacco,\nand firearms is similary based on taxes.)\n\nLook at the FCC: they won't allow sale of any receiever that can receive\nbands that are supposed to be private. This has nothing to do with any\ndesire to prevent harmful interference. If the government can make a radio\nreceiver illegal what makes you think they won't claim the right to control\nencryption?\n\n--\n John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)\n",
'From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: For sale; Edmonton Oilers.\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <mcm12B2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) writes:\n>\n>He was already offered $65 million for them from Northlands Coliseum\n>but refused the offer.... I don\'t think he is going to sale. I think he\n>may decide to move the team to the States though where he can draw\n>more revenue from the team.\n>\n\nPocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political\noffice, in Northlands, and in the business community that the Oilers\nwith their current lease arrangement are in a state where on a yearly\nbasis they will likely have an operating loss based on "normal" hockey\nrevenues and expenses. That he did this was a good thing...it is better\nhe complain early, and make the city aware of a potential looming crisis\nbefore he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars...which would\ntruly jeopardize the franchise.\n\nPocklington\'s first option is not to sell or to move, but to sell\na minority share of the team (to realize some of the appreciated value\nof the team) and to get a better arena deal, either in Northlands, or\nvia a new building. Pocklington probably isn\'t going to get exactly\nwhat he wants...but ultimately he will probably get enough, or will\nsell to someone who will probably get enough.\n\nThere are a lot of risks in moving a team also...\n\n...one has to remember "Peter Puck\'s principle"...it is better to\nspend other people\'s money than one\'s own if at all possible.\n\nGerald\n\n',
'From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nSummary: But how do restrain unpleasant impulses?\nOrganization: Free the Barbers, Inc.\nLines: 46\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <SLAGLE.93Apr15000157@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.215245.2916@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:\n>\n>> In article <1993Apr13.083449.1058@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:\n>\n>>>... the point is that this law protects no one but the\n>>>established car dealers or people with enough money to start a\n>>>fairly big operation all at once. Protecting these folks from\n>>>competition protects the rest of us from low prices and high\n>>>quality.\n>\n>> An excellent point. But you seem to be missing a more subtle\n>> point. It is not "the government" that should be the recipient\n>> of your displeasure, but the established business interests\n>> that influence and direct government action in this case.\n>\n>It is the government that is preventing entry to the market. The\n>desire of those running established businesses to prevent or\n>restrict the entry of competitors is an understandable, though\n>generally unpleasant, human failing. But without a means to act\n>on this desire, without a government with sufficient power to\n>restrict the options of the potential competitor, the\n>anti-competitive desire remains just an unpleasant wish. The\n>government is the linchpin, so we seek to disengage it so we\n>don\'t get the shaft.\n\nOnce again, Mark, you don\'t specify the means through which the government\nis to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a \nleft-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I\'m just as willing as\nyou are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto\ndealers. \n\nBut what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents\' terms,\nto weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws,\nand a desire to eliminate legislator\'s pay. Each strikes me as a \nparticularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special\ninterests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly\ndesigned to accomplish the opposite.\n\njsh\n>\n>=Mark\n--\nSteve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM \n"One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n',
'From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 12\n\nJames Felder (spbach@lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:\n\n: Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you \n: to believe this doesn\'t mean that it isn\'t true. Liars can be very pursuasive\n: just look at Koresh that you yourself cite.\n\nThis is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian\naccount of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O\'Hair, "Face it\nfolks, it\'s just silly ...". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of\nyour incredulity if you admit that it\'s a fallacy?\n\nBill\n',
'From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Entry form for playoff pool\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 43\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nOkay, here\'s the entry sheet. Keep in mind that not all spots are\ndecided, so it may change.\n\n Series \t\t\tYour Pick\t\tGames\n\n Division Semis\n\nNY Islanders-Pittsburgh\nNew Jersey-Washington\n\nBuffalo-Boston\nMontreal-Quebec\n\nSt. Louis-Chicago\nToronto-Detroit\n\nWinnipeg-Vancouver\nLos Angeles-Calgary\n\n Division Finals\n\nPatrick\nAdams\nNorris\nSmythe\n\n Conference Finals\n\nWales\nCampbell\n\n\nStanley Cup winner\n\n\nSee previous post for scoring. Good luck!\n\n--\n Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n "When I want your opinion, I\'ll give it to you." \n',
'From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jacob Rose)\nSubject: Re: Position of \'b\' on Erg. Keyboard\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu\n\nviralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes:\n\n>So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard,\n>but it seems that the \'b\' is placed on the left part after the split.\n>However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught\n>to write \'b\' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish\n>and American typing, or what???\n\nIt must be... ...I type it with my left hand. Personally, I would have\na real problem with my keyboard opened up like that, because I tend to\nshare some keys with both hands, particularly if I\'m doing something else\nwith one hand (like using the cursor keys, mouse, or glass of Jolt).\n-- \n:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n"Deej" (Jacob Rose) :: Amazing but true: There is so much sand in Northern\njaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu:: Africa that if spread out it would cover the Sahara. \n:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n',
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: japanese moon landing?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:\n>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention\n>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just\n>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.\n\nTheir Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric\nEarth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit\nusing some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that\nit would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as\na stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall\nhearing recently that it was about to happen.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
'From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)\nSubject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 74\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:\n>In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:\n>|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, \n>|get off the road, jerk, we don\'t wanna hear your \n>|whining.\n>|\n>|Fine.\n>|\n>|Fuck off too.\n>|\n>|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,\n>|and YES, I\'ve learned, and it\'s cost me.\n>|\n>|And yes, I\'ve known people (friends and relatives) who\'ve\n>|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)\n>|and my cousin is still recovering.\n>|\n>|No, I can\'t take back what happened.\n>|\n>|Yes, it was stupid.\n>|\n>|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you\'re\n>|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.\n>\n>Hey, man, you brought it up. I agree completely, driving drunk is really\n>stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it. But\n>DWI is endemic in our society. It is a REAL problem. And we, as \n>motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk\n>driver. (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI\n>accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life \n>of one of the participants, as I reported here.) Also, drunk driving by\n>motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the\n>insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public\n>against those of us who ride responsibly.\n>\n>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.\n>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,\n>but a genuine safety issue. So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,\n>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the \n>consequences, don\'t expect people to respond with warm wishes.\n>\n>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I\'m getting tired of\n\nYou and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav). I agree that\nDUI/DWI is serious. We should have reasonable laws, strict\nenforcement, and tough sentences. But, Andrew did not\npost "looking for sympathy over the consequences." He posted\nasking for advice because he had an extremely high quote. His\npost was obviously valid because he later found insurance for LESS.\nHe noted why he was in his predicament but did not defend in\nany way drunk driving (and has renounced drunk driving). There\nare too many repeat offenders to worry about and other BDC.\nWhy try to make this person who is no longer part of the problem\nan outcast? He has paid his debt to society. Step off the high\nhorse. We have all been irresponsible in the past.\n\nWith that said, I\'m guilty of the same type of hostility towards\nrapists. I think it comes because I feel the punishment is not\nsevere enough. The same may be true of DWI/DUI. If that is the\ncase, then it is our stinkin\' gubment we need to change. If \nwe had a reasonable law about DWI/DUI with a stiff penalty\nthen fewer people would do it. \n\nAt any rate, Andrew as paid his debt as defined by the law.\nIf you think that debt is actually greater than the law mandates, \ntell your \'representatives\'.\n\nJack Waters II\nDoD#1919\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n~ I don\'t fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~\n~ afternoon, when I\'m still asleep, that I worry about. ~\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n',
"From: 1605112EC400@sscl.uwo.ca\nSubject: jays game\nOrganization: Social Science Computing Laboratory\nKeywords: score?\nNntp-Posting-Host: conslt.sscl.uwo.ca\nLines: 6\n\n\nanyone know the outcome of tonight's jays game?\n-home runs?\n-winning pitcher?\n\n\t\teco gods at U.W.O\n",
'From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)\nSubject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics)\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu\nSummary: Lousy idea.\n\n-*----\nCross-posted and with followups directed to talk.politics.theory.\n\n-*----\nIn article <79700@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n> Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes,\n> but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes\n> which are the units of genetics.\n>\n> We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people\n> with harmful memes. ...\n\nIn other words, we should jail people who say the wrong \nthings. In this advocacy, we can see a truly ugly meme.\nDoes Mark Robert Thorson advocate jailing himself?\n\nRussell\n',
'From: jdw@unislc.slc.unisys.com (James Warren)\nSubject: Re: Reasonable (for criminals?) Civie Arms Limits\nOrganization: Unisys Corporation SLC\nLines: 27\n\n> In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n>A poster claims he \'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would\n>be reasonable personal firepower restrictions\'. OK then ...\n>\n>Caliber : Not greater than 32\n>Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel\n>Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers \n> Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating\n> an \'anti-fanning\' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes.\n>Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine.\n>\n>Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful\n>allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be\n>reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves\n>and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the\n>same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality\n>of hits.\n\nI suspect that you think that this is less lethal than the typical\n"assault weapon". You are wrong. Compared to what most criminals use, a\n9mm with military ammo (FMJs), or a military rifle (use is extremely\nrare), .223 or 7.62mm with military ammo (FMJs), the .32 H&R magnum with\n"civie" bullets is more lethal. Most of the arms which criminals (and\nthe military) use are among the least lethal arms in existance.\n\nWhat if we just punish the criminal and leave the law abiding citizen\nalone? It hasn\'t been tried in recient times, but it might work.\n',
'From: carl@lvsun.com (Carl Shapiro)\nSubject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits\nSummary: Benefits probably greater than thought\nOrganization: Las Vegas Sun\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes:\n>A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million\n>dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S.\n>wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28\n>billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].)\n>I\'m working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but\n\nYou seem to be assuming that all arrests are of equal value, and that\nthe use of wiretaps is spread uniformly among them.\n\nGiven this comparatively tiny number of wiretaps, and the associated\ndifficulty and cost involved (judges, technicians, etc) I expect that\nlaw enforcement reserves the use of wiretaps for the most valuable\ncases. Since the "value" of an arrest can vary over an enormous range\n(eg. jaywalking -> mass murder) I think your $5 million estimate may\nbe too low by a couple of orders of magnitude.\n',
'From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille)\nSubject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 22\n\nJames Sledd (jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:\n: Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm...\n\n: I\'ve been wondering if anyone would ever ask the question,\n\n: Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving\n: to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are\n: muslims?\n\n: Can/Does God use those who are not following him to accomplish\n: tasks for him? Esp those tasks that are punative?\n\n: James Sledd\n: no cute sig.... but I\'m working on it.\n\nAre you suggesting that God supports genocide?\nPerhaps the Germans were "punishing" Jews on God\'s behalf?\n\nAny God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of\nmy worship or faith.\n\nrevdak@netcom.com\n',
'From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: Red Barn Data Center\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <keng.735334134@tunfaire> keng@den.mmc.com (Ken Garrido) writes:\n\n[lotsa stuff taken out]\n\nBottom line: due process was not served. No peaceful attempt to serve\na warrant occurred.\n\nThink on that.\n\nroyc\n\n',
"From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu\n\n'>First off, with all these huge software packages and files that\n'>they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\n\n\tMicropolis seems to have broken this limit. They have IDE 560meg\n and 1050meg HD's available. \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tGreg Greene\n ggg@kepler.unh.edu\n\n\n'>Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'\n'>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |\n'>The Lost Los Angelino |\n",
'From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: Kol Israel Broacasts\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.174056.13368@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gfeygin@unicorn.eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin) writes:\n>Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different\n>languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your\n>assistance would be greatly appreciated\n>\n>GF\n\n\nTry thr rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup.\x18\n',
"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)\nSubject: Re: How many homosexuals are there?\nNntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <Apr.15.21.39.43.1993.8726@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:\n>Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study\n>(discrediting Kinsey) says so.\n\nWow, does this mean 2 out of 5 homosexuals will be at the March\non Washington? How *very* interesting.\n\ncpk\n-- \nIt's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is?\n\nSlick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid\nof what he might grab hold of.\n",
'From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***)\nSubject: CORRECTIONS --- Re: Playoff predictions\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 29\n\n\nEveryone... Read this. If you have already sent your predictions, please\ncorrect the Patrick division if you would like. You have until midnight\non monday (my time.)\n\nYou may need to correct these games...\n\n\n3 - Pittsburgh vs. New Jersey\n4 - New York Islanders vs. Washington\n\n10 - Patrick Division Winner\n\n13 - Wales Conference Winner\n\n15 - Stanley Cup Winner\n\nPlease forward all corrections to\n\nRichard Madison\nrrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca\n\n\n\n>1st rd:\tPens over Isles in 4.\n>\tDevils over Caps in 6.\n>2nd:\tPens over Devils in 7.\n\n\n',
'From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nSubject: Re: Gotta a Question....\nOrganization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman\nLines: 24\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\n\nIn article <47844@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:\n>In article <cjkuo.68.0@symantec.com>, cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) writes:\n> |> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes:\n> ....\n> |> >>What is the maximum runs allowed before a stopper can get credit for a\n> |> >>relief? i.e. if a stopper comes in with a 5 run lead does he getcredit\n> |> >> with the save.\n> |> >If you come in and pitch the last three innings,and your team was ahead \n> |> >when you got out there and wins the game, you get a save.\n> |> Sort\'a correct. If you pitched at least 3 innings,entered with your team \n> |> in the lead, was the pitcher when the game ended,the game was never tied \n> |> during your stint, and your team won, you get a save.\n> Well, the rulebook says that in the opinion of the scorer, you must have\n> "pitched effectively" for your 3 innings - this save is not automatic,\n> unlike the others.\n\nSomeone in SABR actually looked at these games a few years ago \nand found that the official scorer awarded the save in every one \nof the games - even those in which the pitcher had pitched badly \n(allowing 4 or 5 runs).\n\nseeing, hearing (my two sense worth)\njohn rickert\nrickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\n',
'From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)\nSubject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)\nOrganization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences\nLines: 15\n\nkarish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:\n\n>That\'s a twin-cam, right? \n\nYep...I think it\'s the only CB750 with a 630 chain.\nAfter 14 years, it\'s finally stretching into the "replace" zone.\n\n>Honda 750s don\'t have the widest of power bands.\n\n<Sigh> I know .... I know.\n-- \n Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu\n 722 POT U o\'Ky .__,-\' * \\ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet\n Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks\n 606-257-6807 (__,-----------\'\' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD\n',
'From: filipows@spk.hp.com (Dennis Filipowski)\nSubject: ? Octopus\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 4\n\n During the Detroit game Mon night there were octopus thrown on\n the ice what is the meaning or symbolism here? They used to\n throw fish on the ice here in Spokane afew years ago. I never \n knew where this came from.\n',
'From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala)\nSubject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.\nLines: 19\n\n>snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n> More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else.\n>\n\nLIST OF KILLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION \n1. Iran-Iraq War: 1,000,000\n2. Civil War in Sudan: 1,000,000\n3, Riots in India-Pakistan in 1947: 1,000,000\n4. Massacares in Bangladesh in 1971: 1,000,000\n5. Inquistions in America in 1500s: x million (x=??)\n6. Crusades: ??\n\nI am sure that people can add a lot more to the list.\nI wonder what Bobby has to say about the above. \nStandard Excuses will not be accepted.\n-- Naren\n\nAll standard disclaimers apply\n\n',
'From: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Voecking)\nSubject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf\nOriginator: voecking@hphalle5c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de\nOrganization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany\nLines: 29\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:\n|> In <PKORTELA.93Apr15164732@lk-hp-17.hut.fi> pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes:\n|> \n|> > \n|> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players\n|> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena.\n|> \n|> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards\n|> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us?\n\nAs far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player\nwho was born in Canada but now has a German passport). \nBenoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play \nfor Germany in the WC.\n\nThe other Canada-born forwards are:\n\tPeter-John Lee (has British passport)\n\tChris Valentine\n\tDale Dercatch\n\tSteve Gootas\n \tEarl Spry (?)\n\nAt the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind:\n\tBernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf\n\n\nVolker\n\n',
"From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)\nSubject: Re: Some Recent Observations by Hubble\nKeywords: HST, Pluto, Uranus\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <15APR199316461058@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:\n>Here are some recent observations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope:\n>\n> o Observations were made using the High Speed Photometer of the Planet\n> Uranus during an occultation by a faint star in Capricornus.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nWow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away!\n\n-- \n| Dick Pierce |\n| Loudspeaker and Software Consulting |\n| 17 Sartelle Street Pepperell, MA 01463 |\n| (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX) |\n",
"From: CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen)\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ua1vm.ua.edu\nOrganization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>\ngt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:\n \n>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.\n>\n>For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game,\n>\n>With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed\n>hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.\n>\n>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts\n>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis\n>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell\n>is he thinking.\n>\nFor your information, Lankford is injured (I think it is his shoulder or rib\ncage), so he could not use him as a pinch hitter.\n \n>Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented\n>how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a\n>regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said\n>he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year,\n>what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every\n>team in the league.\n>\nI do believe that Whiten was a very good aquisition for the Cards. He does\nnot have too much offensive capabilities, but he is an awesome defensively.\nSince when have the Cardnials actually thought of offense instead of defense?:)\nI forgot who St. Louis gave up for him, but it was not too much.\n \nAs far as Gilkey is concerned, he is a leftfielder and so is Brian Jordan, who\nbeat him out. I expect to see a Gilkey/Jordan platoon in LF.\n \n>Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate,\n>The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line\n>and waving lankford home,\n>\nI agree with you on this one. As soon as Larkin threw that ball, I knew that\nLankford was a dead bird. But how could Dent have known that Larkin would make\na perfect throw?\n \nI strongly believe that Torre is one of the best managers in baseball. Don't\nforget the overachieving Cards of '91 that won all those close games and went\nfrom last place to second place (although they were oveshadowed by the Braves/\nTwins last to first climb). He won a division title, and barely lost a pennant\nrace when he was with the Braves (why Atlanta ever even considered firing him I\nwill never understand). With Torre at the controls, the Cardinals are heading\nin the right direction.\n \nOne more thing, one game does not make a season. Yes, they lost to the Reds,\nbut with the second best pitching staff in the National League (first in the\nEast), and a pretty good offense, the Redbirds will win a lot more than they\nlose. Maybe this is the year that they will go all the way.\n \nCharles, a very enthusiastic Cardnials fan\n \n -----------------------------------------------------------------\n º Charles Rosen º THIRTY-FOUR TO THIRTEEN!!! º\n º University of Alabama º NATIONAL CHAMPS!!! ROLL TIDE!!! º\n º Tuscaloosa, AL º (Need I Say More?) º\n -----------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: ajackson@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Alan Jackson)\nSubject: MPEG Location\nNntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh\nOrganization: Coventry University\nLines: 11\n\n\nCan anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or\nWindows).\n\nThanks in advance.\n\n-- \nAlan M. Jackson Mail : ajackson@cch.cov.ac.uk\n\n Liverpool Football Club - Simply The Best\n "You\'ll Never Walk Alone"\n',
"From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)\nSubject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 42\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nNewsgroups: rec.sport.hockey\nSubject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee\nSummary: \nExpires: \nSender: \nDistribution: \nOrganization: Marquette University - Department MSCS\nKeywords: \n\nIn article <1993Apr16.131843.24012@walter.cray.com> cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz {x66442 CF/ENG}) writes:\n>\n>Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge\n>hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name)\n>either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the\n>Bradley Center.\n\nLloyd Pettit married into Allen-Bradley Corp. (ab.com) family and owns the\nAdmirals. He donated the Bradley Center and the new Pettit National Ice\nCenter.\n\n>Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but \n>turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too\n>high.\n\nThis is not the way I have heard it. See, Lloyd (as he is affectionately\nreferred to by Milwaukeeans and Bob Uecker) bought the Bradley Center *TO* get\nthe NHL to come here.\n\n>Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if\n>it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals\n>aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club\n>and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's\n>Milwaukee Bucks play there as well.\n\nYeah, the Bucks, the Milwaukee Wave (soccer), the Admirals, the Marquette\nWarriors, concerts and a bunch of other things...\n-- \nJason Hanson | 915 W. Wisconsin Ave #1010 | (414) 288-2179\nMarquette University | Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373 | Ham Radio: N9LEA/AE\n-- jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu ==+== n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na --\n",
"From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)\nSubject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN\nOrganization: HRB Systems, Inc.\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:\n> \n> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since\n> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball\n> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.\n> \n It was good to see the Wings play, but lets not give ESPN too much credit.\nThere weren't any other late baseball games on so they didn't have another\noption.\n\nEric Sebastian\nGo Pens...\n",
'From: aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca (David A. Hughes)\nSubject: Sound Recording for Mac Portable?\nReply-To: aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca (David A. Hughes)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 14\n\n\nDoes anyone know what hardware is required and where I could find it for\nsound recording on the Mac Portable.\n\nThanks\n-- \nDavid Hughes |aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca\nSecretary |\nNational Capital FreeNet |VE3 TKP\n',
'From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: I believe in gun control.\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <C4vG3F.Kx3@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:\n> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:\n>>I believe in gun control. How about you?\n>\n> I believe in gun control, too . . . assuming by "gun control"\n> you mean always being able to hit your target.\n>\n>\n>---peter\n>\n Or, how about the Clint Eastwood line in "Pink Cadillac" -\n "I believe in gun control. If there\'s a gun around, I wanna be\n the one controlling it."\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n',
"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: TDR plug-in\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 18\n\nI have an HP 1815 TDR plug-in for an HP180 series scope or mainframe\nthat I'm never going to use (no scope any more). If you're interested\nin it, please let me know. Price? Probably real cheap.\n\nThis notice may have appeared once before. I posted, and it never showed\nup on our local server...\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n Intergraph Corp.\n M/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n",
'From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 74\n\nIn article <114140@bu.edu>\njaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n \n>>>>> In cases of prostitution\n>>>>>both the man and the prostitute would be punished in public, quite\n>>>>>severely.\n \n(Deletion)\n \n>\n>>No Gregg, you cannot say A is lenient and A punishes severely in public.\n>>Unless, of course, it is one of the exceptions implied by "almost all\n>>matters".\n>\n>That depends on the statistics and who is punished in public. If some\n>power (for example, nothing Islamic about it) allows men to rape women\n>five times before blowing the rapist\'s head off in public then I\'d call\n>that leniency, wouldn\'t you?\n>\n \nYou have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument.\n \nAnd chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It\nrather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system\nwithout checking if they suit the description.\n \nAnd wasn\'t the argument that it takes five men to rape a woman according\nto Islamic law?\n \n \n>>While I don\'t approve of it, I think both the prostitute and the customer\n>>have the right to do what they do. In other words, punishing them is a\n>>violation of their rights. And to punish them severely in public is just\n>>another pointer to the hysteria connected with sexuality in so many\n>>religions.\n>\n>Believe what you like.\n>\n \nNo, I even believe what I don\'t like. Can you give better answers than that?\nHave you got any evidence for your probably opposite claims?\n \n \n>>In this case, I don\'t see why I should accept the complex ridden views\n>>of an oriental goatherd.\n>\n>Ah, yes, I forget that the West is historically so much without sexual\n>neurosis :)\n>\n>"Oriental goatherd", _really_ intellectual.\n>\n \nA fact, if memory serves. And most will see the connection between the\nprimitive machism in the Orient and in Islam.\n \n>>If people agree on having sex it is fine. And I would assume that a\n>>god would have a clue of what the detrimental effects of supressing it\n>>are.\n>\n>Huh? Ever heard of AIDs? (Of course you\'ll probably go on to say that\n>God must be evil because he allows the disease to exist, bla bla).\n>\n \nAs usually you miss the point. Aids is neither spread only through sex\nnor necessarily spread by having sex. Futher, the point is, a very important\npoint, the urge for sex is stronger than the fear of AIDS. It is even\nstronger than the religious attempts to channel or to forbid sex. The\nconsequences of suppressing sex are worse than the consequences of Aids.\nPlease note that the idea that everybody would end up with AIDS when sex\nis not controlled is completely counterfactual.\n \n \nAnd since you have brought up the point, is your god evil or not?\n Benedikt\n',
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 B\nSummary: Part B \nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 912\n\n Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part B\n Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n\t\t\t\t(Part B of #008)\n\n +------------------------------------------------------------------+\n | |\n | "Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they |\n | repeated quite frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies |\n | for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the |\n | struggle against the Armenians." Then they said, "Those |\n | Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated |\n | it very often." |\n | |\n +------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n...continued from PART A:\n\nThe six of them left. They left and I had an attack. I realized that the dan-\nger was past, and stopped controlling myself. I relaxed for a moment and the \nphysical pain immediately made itself felt. My heart and kidneys hurt. I had \nan awful kidney attack. I rolled back and forth on top of those Christmas\nornaments, howling and howling. I didn\'t know where I was or how long this \nwent on. When we figured out the time, later it turned out that I howled and \nwas in pain for around an hour. Then all my strength was gone and I burst into\ntears, I started feeling sorry for myself, and so on and so forth . . .\n\nThen someone came into the room. I think I hear someone calling my name. I \nwant to respond and restrain myself, I think that I\'m hallucinating. I am \nsilent, and then it continues: it seems that first a man\'s voice is calling\nme, then a woman\'s. Later I found out that Mamma had sent our neighbor, the\none whose apartment she was hiding in, Uncle Sabir Kasumov, to our place, \ntelling him, "I know that they\'ve killed Lyuda. Go there and at least bring \nher corpse to me so they don\'t violate her corpse." He went and returned empty\nhanded, but Mamma thought he just didn\'t want to carry the corpse into his \napartment. She sent him another time, and then sent his wife, and they were \nwalking through the rooms looking for me, but I didn\'t answer their calls. \nThere was no light, they had smashed the chandeliers and lamps.\n\nThey started the pogrom in our apartment around five o\'clock, and at 9:30 I \nwent down to the Kasumovs\'. I went down the stairs myself. I walked out of the\napartment: how long can you wait for your own death, how long can you be \ncowardly, afraid? Come what will. I walked out and started knocking on the \ndoors one after the next. No one, not on the fifth floor, not on the fourth, \nopened the door. On the third floor, on the landing of the stairway, Uncle \nSabir\'s son started to shout, "Aunt Roza, don\'t cry, Lyuda\'s alive!" He \nknocked on his own door and out came Aunt Tanya, Igor, and after them, Mamma. \nAunt Tanya, Uncle Sabir\'s wife, is an Urdmurt. All of us were in their \napartment. I didn\'t see Karina, but she was in their home, too, Lying\ndelirious, she had a fever. Marina was there too, and my father and mother.\nAll of my family had gathered there.\n \nAt the door I lost consciousness. Igor and Aunt Tanya carried me into the\napartment.\n\nLater I found out what they had done to our Karina. Mamma said, "Lyuda, \nKarina\'s in really serious condition, she\'s probably dying. If she recognizes \nyou, don\'t cry, don\'t tell her that her face looks so awful." It was as though\nher whole face was paralyzed, you know, everything was pushed over to one \nside, her eye was all swollen, and everything flowed together, her lips, her \ncheeks . . . It was as though they had dragged her right side around the whole\nmicrodistrict, that\'s how disfigured her face was. I said, "Fine." Mamma was \nafraid to go into the room, because she went in and hugged Karina and started \nto cry. I went in. As soon as I saw her my legs gave way. I fell down near the\nbed, hugged her legs and started kissing them and crying. She opened the eye \nthat was intact, looked at me, and said, "Who is it?" But I could barely talk, \nmy whole face was so badly beaten. I didn\'t say, but rather muttered something\ntender, something incomprehensible, but tender, "My Karochka, my Karina, my \nlittle golden one . . . " She understood me.\n\nThen Igor brought me some water, I drank it down and moistened Karina\'s lips. \nShe started to groan. She was saying something to me, but I couldn\'t \nunderstand it. Then I made out, "It hurts, I hurt all over." Her hair was \nglued down with blood. I stroked her forehead, her head, she had grit on her \nforehead, and on her lips . . . She was groaning again, and I don\'t know how \nto help her. She calls me over with her hand, come closer. I go to her. She\'s\nsaying something to me, but I can\'t understand her. Igor brings her a pencil \nand paper and says, "Write it down." She shakes her head as if to say, no, I \ncan\'t write. I can\'t understand what she\'s saying. She wanted to tell me \nsomething, but she couldn\'t. I say, "Karina, just lie there a little while,\nthen maybe you\'ll feel better and you can tell me then." And then she says,\n"Maybe it\'ll be too late." And I completely . . . just broke down, I couldn\'t\ncontrol myself.\n\nThen I moistened my hand in the water and wiped her forehead and eye. I dipped\na handkerchief into the water and squeezed a little water onto her lips. She \nsays, "Lyuda, we\'re not saved yet, we have to go somewhere else. Out of this \ndamned house. They want to kill us, I know. They\'ll find us here, too. We need\nto call Urshan." She repeated this to me for almost a whole hour, Until I \nunderstood her every word. I ask, "What\'s his number?" Urshan Feyruzovich, \nthat\'s the head of the administration where she works. "We have to call him." \nBut I didn\'t know his home number. I say, "Karina, what\'s his number?" She \nsays, "I can\'t remember." I say, "Who knows his number? Who can I call?" She \nsays, "I don\'t know anything, leave me alone."\n\nI went out of the room. Igor stayed to watch over her and sat there, he was \ncrying, too. I say, "Mamma, Karina says that we have to call Urshan. How can \nwe call him? Who knows his telephone number?" I tell Marina, "Think, think, \nwho can we call to find out?" She started calling; several people didn\'t \nanswer. She called a girlfriend, her girlfriend called another girlfriend and \nfound out the number and called us back. The boss\'s wife answered and said he \nwas at the dacha. My voice keeps cracking, I can\'t talk normally. She says, \n"Lyuda, don\'t panic, get a hold of yourself, go out to those hooligans and \ntell them that they just can\'t do that." She still didn\'t know what was really\ngoing on. I said, "It\'s easy for you to say that, you don\'t understand what\'s \nhappening. They are killing people here. I don\'t think there is a single \nArmenian left in the building, they\'ve cut them all up. I\'m even surprised \nthat we managed to save ourselves. "She says, "Well, OK, if it\'s that serious \n. . . " And all the same she\'s thinking that my emotions are all churned up \nand that I\'m fearing for my life, that in fact it\'s not all that bad. "OK, \nfine, fine," she says, "if you\'re afraid, OK, as soon as Urshan comes back \nI\'ll send him over."\n\nWe called again because they had just started robbing the apartment directly \nunder Aunt Tanya\'s, on the second floor, Asya Dallakian\'s apartment. She \nwasn\'t home, she was staying with her daughter in Karabagh. They destroyed \neverything there . . . We realized that they still might come back. We kept on\ntrying to get through to Aunt Tanya--Urshan\'s wife is named Tanya too and \nfinally we get through. She says, "Yes, he\'s come home, he\'s leaving for your \nplace now." He came. Of course he didn\'t know what was happening, either, \nbecause he brought two of his daughters with him. He came over in his jeep \nwith his two daughters, like he was going on an outing. He came and saw what \nshape we were in and what was going on in town and got frightened. He has \ngrown up daughters, they\'re almost my age.\n\nThe three of us carried out Karina, tossed a coat on her and a warm scarf, and\nwent down to his car. He took Karina and me to the Maternity Home. . . No, \nfirst they took us to the po]ice precinct. They had stretchers ready. As\nsoon as we got out of the car they put Karina and me on stretchers and said\nthat we were in serious condition and that we mustn\'t move, we might have\nfractures. From the stretcher I saw about 30 soldiers sitting and lying on the\nfirst floor, bandaged, on the concrete floor, groaning . . . This was around\neleven o\'clock at night. We had left the house somewhere around 1:30. When I \nsaw those soldiers I realized that a war was going on: soldiers, enemies\n. . . everything just like a war.\n\nThey carried me into some office on the stretcher. The emergency medical\npeople from Baku were there. The medical attendant there was an older \nArmenian. Urshan told him what they had done to Karina because she\'s so proud \nshe would never have told. And this aging Armenian . . . his name was Uncle \nArkady, I think, because someone said "Arkady, get an injection ready," he \nstarted to fill a syringe, and turned around so as to give Karina a shot. But \nwhen he looked at her face he became ill. And he was an old man, in his \nsixties, his hair was all grey, and his moustache, too. He hugged Karina and \nstarted to cry: "What have they done to you?!" He was speaking Armenian. "What\nhave they done to you?!" Karina didn\'t say anything. Mamma came in then, and \nshe started to cry, too. The man tried to calm her. "I\'ll give you a shot." \nMamma tells him, "I don\'t need any shot. Where is the government? Just what \nare they doing? Look what they\'ve done to my children! They\'re killing people,\nand you\'re just sitting here!" Some teacups were standing on the table in \nthere. "You\'re sitting here drinking tea! Look what they\'ve done to my \ndaughters! Look what they\'ve turned them into!" They gave her something to \ndrink, some heart medicine, I think. They gave Karina an injection and the\ndoctor said that she had to be taken to the Maternity Home immediately. Papa \nand Urshan, I think, even though Papa was in bad shape, helped carry Karina \nout. When they put her on the stretcher, none of the medics got near her. I \ndon\'t know, maybe there weren\'t any orderlies. Then they came to me: "What\'s \nthe matter with you?" Their tone was so official that I wrapped myself tighter\nin the half-length coat. I had a blanket on, too, an orange one, Aunt Tanya\'s.\nI said, "I\'m fine." Uncle Arkady came over and was soothing me, and then told \nthe doctor, "You leave, let a woman examine her." A woman came, an \nAzerbaijani, I believe, and said, "What\'s wrong with you?" I was wearing my \nsister Lyuda\'s nightshirt, the sister who at this time was in Yerevan. When \nshe was nursing her infant she had cut out a big hole in it so that it would \nbe easier to breast feed the baby. I tore the night shirt some more and showed\nher. I took it off my shoulders and turned my back to her. There was a huge \nwound, about the size of a hand, on my back, from the Indian vase. She said \nsomething to them and they gave me two shots. She said that it should be \ndressed with something, but that they\'d do that in the hospital.\n\nThey put me on a stretcher, too. They started looking for people to carry me. \nI raised up my head a little and wanted to sit up, and this woman, I don\'t \nknow if she was a doctor or a nurse, said, "Lie still, you mustn\'t move." When\nI was lying back down I saw two policemen leading a man. His profile seemed \nvery familiar to me. I shouted, "Stop!" One of the policemen turned and says, \n"What do you want?" I say, "Bring him to me, I want to look at him." They \nbrought him over and I said, "That person was just in our apartment and he \njust raped me and my sister. I recognize him, note it down." They said, \n"Fine," but didn\'t write it down and led him on. I don\'t know where they were \ntaking him.\n\nThen they put my stretcher near where the injured and beaten soldiers were \nsitting. They went to look for the ambulance driver so he would bring the car \nup closer. One of the soldiers started talking to me, "Sister . . . " I don\'t \nremember the conversation exactly, but he asked me were we lived and what they\ndid to us. I asked him, "Where are you from?" He said that he was from Ufa. \nApparently they were the first that were brought in. The Ufa police. Later I \nlearned that they suffered most of all. He says, "OK, you\'re Armenians, they \ndidn\'t get along with you, but I\'m a Russian," he says, "what are they trying \nto kill me for?" Oh, I remembered something else. When I went out onto the \nbalcony with Kuliyev for a hammer and nails I looked out the window and saw \ntwo Azerbaijanis beating a soldier near the kindergarten. He was pressed \nagainst the fence and he covered his head with his arms, they were beating him\nwith his own club. The way he cried "Mamma" made my skin crawl. I don\'t know \nwhat they did to him, if he\'s still alive or not. And something else. Before \nhe attack on our house we saw sheets, clothes, and some dishes flying from the\nthird or fourth floor of the neighboring building, but I didn\'t think it was \nAzerbaijanis attacking Armenians. I thought that something was on fire or they\nwere throwing something they didn\'t need out, or someone was fighting with \nsomeone. It was only later, when they were burning a passenger car in the \nyard, when the neighbors said that they were doing that to the Armenians, that\nI realized that this was serious, that it was anti-Armenian.\n\nThey took Karina and me to the Sumgait Maternity Home. Mamma went to them too \nand said, "I\'ve been beaten too, help me." But they just ignored her. My \nfather went to them and said in a guilty voice, as though it was his fault \nthat he\'d been beaten, and says, "My ribs hurt so much, those creeps have \nprobably broken my ribs. Please look at them." The doctor says, "That\'s not my\njob." Urshan said, "Fine, I\'ll take you to my place and if we need a doctor, \nI\'ll find you one. I\'ll bring one and have him look at you. And he drove them \nto his apartment.\n\nMarina and I stayed there. They examined us. I was more struck by what the \ndoctor said than by what those Azerbaijanis in our apartment did to us. I \nwasn\'t surprised when they beat us they wanted to beat us, but I was very\nsurprised that in a Soviet medical facility a woman who had taken the\nHippocratic Oath could talk to victims like that. By happy--or unhappy--\ncoincidence we were seen by the doctor that had delivered our Karina. And she,\nhaving examined Karina, said, "No problem, you got off pretty good. Not like \nthey did in Kafan, when you Armenians were killing and raping our women.\n"Karina was in such terrible condition that she couldn\'t say anything--she\nwould certainly have had something to say! Then they examined me. The same \nstory. They put us in a separate ward. No shots, no medicinal powders, no \ndrugs. Absolutely none! They didn\'t even give us tea. All the women there soon\nfound out that in ward such and such were Armenians who had been raped. And\nthey started coming and peering through the keyhole, the way people look at \nzoo animals. Karina didn\'t see this, she was lying there, and I kept her from \nseeing it.\n\nThey put Ira B. in our ward. She had also been raped. True, she didn\'t have \nany serious bodily injuries, but when she told me what had happened at their \nplace, I felt worse for them than I did for us. Because when they raped Ira \nher daughter was in the room, she was under the bed on which it happened. And\nIra was holding her daughter\'s hand, the one who was hiding under the bed.\nWhen they were beating Ira or taking her earrings off, gold, when she \ninvoluntarily let go of her daughter\'s hand, her daughter took her hand again.\nHer daughter is in the fourth grade, she\'s 11 years old. I felt really awful \nwhen I heard that. Ira asked them not to harm her daughter, she said, "Do what\nyou want with me, just leave my daughter alone." Well, they did what they \nwanted. They threatened to kill her daughter if she got in their way. Now I \nwould be surprised if the criminals had behaved any other way that night. It \nwas simply Bartholomew\'s Night, I say, they did what they would love to do \nevery day: steal, kill, rape . . .\n\nMany are surprised that those animals didn\'t harm the children. The beasts \nexplained it like this: this would be repeated in 15 to 20 years, and those \nchildren would be grown, and then, as they put it, "we\'ll come take the \npleasure out of their lives, those children." This was about the girls that\nwould be young women in 15 years. They were thinking about their tomorrow \nbecause they were sure that there would be no trial and no investigation, just\nas there was no trial or investigation in 1915, and that those girls could be \nof some use in 15 years. This I heard from the investigators; one of the \nvictims testified to it. That\'s how they described their own natures, that\nthey would still be bloodthirsty in 15 to 20 years, and in 100 years--they\nthemselves said that.\n\nAnd this, too. Everyone is surprised that they didn\'t harm our Marina. Many \npeople say that they either were drunk or had smoked too much. I don\'t know \nwhy their eyes were red. Maybe because they hadn\'t slept the night before, \nmaybe for some other reason, I don\'t know. But they hadn\'t been smoking and \nthey weren\'t drunk, I\'m positive, because someone who has smoked will stop at \nnothing he has the urge to do. And they spoke in a cultured fashion with \nMarina: "Little sister, don\'t be afraid, we won\'t harm you, don\'t look over \nthere [where I was], you might be frightened. You\'re a Muslim, a Muslim woman \nshouldn\'t see such things." So they were really quite sober . . .\n\nSo we came out of that story alive. Each every day we have lived since it all \nhappened bears the mark of that day. It wasn\'t even a day, of those several \nhours. Father still can\'t look us in the eyes. He still feels guilty for what\nhappened to Karina, Mother, and me. Because of his nerves he\'s started talk-\ning to himself, I\'ve heard him argue with himself several times when he\nthought no one is listening: "Listen," he\'ll say, "what could I do? What could\nI do alone, how could I protect them?" I don\'t know where to find the words,\nit\'s not that I\'m happy, but I am glad that he didn\'t see it all happen. \nThat\'s the only thing they spared us . . . or maybe it happened by chance. Of \ncourse he knows it all, but there\'s no way you could imagine every last detail\nof what happened. And there were so many conversations: Karina and I spoke\ntogether in private, and we talked with Mamma, too. But Father was never\npresent at those conversations. We spare him that, if you can say that. And\nwhen the investigator comes to the house, we don\'t speak with Father present.\n\nOn February 29, the next clay, Karina and I were discharged from the hospital.\nFirst they released me, but since martial law had been declared in the city, \nthe soldiers took me to the police precinct in an armored personnel carrier. \nThere were many people there, Armenian victims. I met the Tovmasian family \nthere. From them I learned that Rafik and their Uncle Grant had died. They \nwere sure that both had died. They were talking to me and Raya, Rafik\'s wife \nand Grant\'s daughter, and her mother, were both crying.\n\nThen they took us all out of the office on the first floor into the yard.\nThere\'s a little one-room house outside there, a recreation and reading area.\nThey took us in there. The women were afraid to go because they thought\nthat they were shooing us out of the police precinct because it had become\nso dangerous that even the people working at the precinct wanted to hide.\nThe women were shouting. They explained to them: "We want to hide you\nbetter because it\'s possible there will be an attack on the police precinct."\n\nWe went into the little house. There were no chairs or tables in there. We\nhad children with us and they were hungry; we even had infants who needed to \nhave their diapers changed. No one had anything with them. It was just awful. \nThey kept us there for 24 hours. From the window of the one room house you \ncould see that there were Azerbaijanis standing on the fences around the \npolice precinct, as though they were spying on us. The police precinct is \nsurrounded by a wall, like a fence, and it\'s electrified, but if they were \nstanding on the wall, it means the electricity was shut off. This brought \ngreat psychological pressure to bear on us, particularly on those who hadn\'t \njust walked out of their apartments, but who hadn\'t slept for 24 hours, or 48,\nor those who had suffered physically and spiritually, the ones who had lost \nfamily members. For us it was another ordeal. We were especially frightened \nwhen all the precinct employees suddenly disappeared. We couldn\'t see a single\nperson, not in the courtyard and not in the windows. We thought that they must\nhave already been hiding under the building, that they must have some secret \nroom down there. People were panicking: they started throwing themselves at\none another . . . That\'s the way it is on a sinking ship. We heard those \npeople, mainly young people, whistling and whopping on the walls. We felt that\nthe end was approaching. I was completely terrified: I had left Karina in the \nhospital and didn\'t know where my parents were. I was sort of calm about my \nparents, I was thinking only about Karina, if, Heaven forbid, they should \nattack the hospital, they would immediately tell them that there was an \nArmenian in there, and something terrible would happen to Karina again, and \nshe wouldn\'t be able to take it.\n\nThen soldiers with dogs appeared. When they saw the dogs some of the people \nclimbed down off the fence. Then they brought in about another 30 soldiers.\nThey all had machine guns in readiness, their fingers on the triggers. We \ncalmed down a little. They brought us chairs and brought the children some \nlittle cots and showed us where we could wash our hands, and took the children\nto the toilet. But we all sat there hungry, but to be honest, it would never \nhave occurred to any of us that we hadn\'t eaten for two days and that people \ndo eat.\n\nThen, closer to nightfall, they brought a group of detained criminals. They \nwere being watched by soldiers with guard dogs. One of the men came back from \nthe courtyard and told us about it. Raya Tovmasian . . . it was like a \ndifferent woman had been substituted. Earlier she had been crying, wailing, \nand calling out: "Oh, Rafik!," but when she heard about this such a rage came \nover her! She jumped up, she had a coat on, and she started to roll up her \nsleeves like she was getting ready to beat someone. And suddenly there were \nsoldiers, and dogs, and lots of people. She ran over to them. The bandits were\nstanding there with their hands above their heads facing the wall. She went up\nto one of them and grabbed him by the collar and started to shake and thrash \nhim! Then, on to a second, and a third. Everyone was rooted to the spot. Not \none of the soldiers moved, no one went up to help or made her stop her from \ndoing it. And the bandits fell down and covered their heads with their hands, \nmuttering something. She came back and sat down, and something akin to a smile\nappeared on her face. She became so quiet: no tears, no cries. Then that round\nwas over and she went back to beat them again. She was walking and cursing \nterribly: take that, and that, they killed my husband, the bastards, the \ncreeps, and so on. Then she came back again and sat down. She probably did \nthis the whole night through, well, it wasn\'t really night, no one slept. She \nwent five or six times and beat them and returned. And she told the women, \n"What are you sitting there for? They killed your husbands and children, they \nraped, and you\'re just sitting there. You\'re sitting and talking as though \nnothing had happened. Aren\'t you Armenians?" She appealed to everyone, but no \none got up. I was just numb, I didn\'t have the strength to beat anyone, I \ncould barely hold myself up, all the more so since I had been standing for so \nmany hours--I was released at eleven o\'clock in the morning and it was already\nafter ten at night because there weren\'t enough chairs, really it was the \nelderly and women with children who sat. I was on my feet the whole time. \nThere was nothing to breathe, the door was closed, and the men were smoking. \nThe situation was deplorable.\n\nAt eleven o\'clock at night policemen came for us, local policemen, \nAzerbaijanis. They said, "Get up. They\'ve brought mattresses, you can wash up\nand put the children to bed." Now the women didn\'t want to leave this place, \neither. The place had become like home, it was safe, there were soldiers with \ndogs. If anyone went outside, the soldiers would say, "Oh, it\'s our little \nfamily," and things like that. The soldiers felt this love, and probably, for \nthe first time in their lives perceived themselves as defenders. Everyone\nspoke from the heart, cried, and hugged them and they, with their loaded\nmachine guns in their hands, said, "Grandmother, you mustn\'t approach me,\nI\'m on guard." Our people would say, "Oh, that\'s all right." They hugged\nthem, one woman even kissed one of the machine guns. This was all terribly\nmoving for me. And the small children kept wanting to pet the dogs.\n\nThey took us up to the second floor and said, "You can undress and sleep in \nhere. Don\'t be afraid, the precinct is on guard, and it\'s quiet in the city."\nThis was the 29th, when the killing was going on in block 41A and in other\nplaces. Then we were told that all the Armenians were being gathered at the\nSK club and at the City Party Committee. They took us there. On the way I \nasked them to stop at the Maternity Home: I wanted to take Karina with me.\nI didn\'t know what was happening there. They told me, "Don\'t worry, the\nMaternity Home is full of soldiers, more than mothers-to-be. So you can rest\nassured. I say, "Well, I won\'t rest assured regardless, because the staff in\nthere is capable of anything."\n\nWhen I arrived at the City Party Committee it turned out that Karina had\nalready been brought there. They had seen fit to release her from the hospi-\ntal, deciding that she felt fine and was no longer in need of any care. Once\nwe were in the City Party Committee we gave free reign to our tears. We met \nacquaintances, but everyone was somehow divided into two groups, those who \nhadn\'t been injured, who were clothed, who had brought a pot of food with \nthem, and so on, and those, like me, like Raya, who were wearing whatever had \ncome their way. There were even people who were all made up, dolled up like \nthey had come from a wedding. There were people without shoes, naked people, \nhungry people, those who were crying, and those who had lost someone. And of \ncourse the stories and the talk were flying: "Oh, I heard that they killed \nhim!" "What do you mean they killed him!" "He stayed at work!" "Do you know \nwhat\'s happening at this and such a plant? Talk like that.\n\nAnd then I met Aleksandr Mikhailovich Gukasian, the teacher. I know him very \nwell and respect him highly. I\'ve known him for a long time. They had a small \nroom, well really it was more like a study-room. We spent a whole night \ntalking in that study once. On March 1 we heard that Bagirov [First Secretary \nof the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] had arrived. Everyone ran to see \nBagirov, what news he had brought with him and how this was all being viewed \nfrom outside. He arrived and everyone went up to him to talk to him and ask \nhim things. Everyone was in a tremendous rage. But he was protected by \nsoldiers, and he went up to the second floor and didn\'t deign to speak with \nthe people. Apparently he had more important things to do.\n\nSeveral hours passed. Gukasian called me and says, "Lyudochka, find another \ntwo or three. We\'re going to make up lists, they asked for them upstairs, \nlists of the dead, those whose whereabouts are unknown, and lists of people \nwho had pogroms of their apartments and of those whose cars were burned." I \nhad about 50 people in my list when they called me and said, "Lyuda, your \nMamma has arrived, she\'s looking for you, she doesn\'t believe that you are \nalive and well and that you\'re here." I gave the lists to someone and asked \nthem to continue what I was doing and went off.\n\nThe list was imprecise, of course. It included Grant Adamian, Raya Tovmasian\'s\nfather, who was alive, but at the time they thought him dead. There was Engels\nGrigorian\'s father and aunt, Cherkez and Maria. The list also included the \nname of my girlfriend and neighbor, Zhanna Agabekian. One of the guys said \nthat he had been told that they chopped her head off in the courtyard in front\nof the Kosmos movie theater. We put her on the list too, and cried, but later \nit turned out that that was just a rumor, that in fact an hour earlier she had\nsomehow left Sumgait for the marina and from there had set sail for \nKrasnovodsk, where, thank God, she was alive and well. I should also say that \nin addition to those who died that list contained people who were rumored \nmissing or who were so badly wounded that they were given up for dead. 3\n\nAll the lists were taken to Bagirov. I don\'t remember how many dead were \ncontained in the list, but it\'s a fact that when Gukasian came in a couple \nof minutes later he was cursing and was terribly irate. I asked, "What\'s \ngoing on?" He said, "Lyuda, can you imagine what animals, what scoundrels\nthey are! They say that they lost the list of the dead. Piotr Demichev\n[Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party\nof the USSR] has just arrived, and we were supposed to submit the list to\nhim, so that he\'d see the scope of the slaughter, of the tragedy, whether it\nwas one or fifty." They told him that the list had disappeared and they\nshould ask everyone who hadn\'t left for the Khimik boarding house all over\nagain. There were 26 people on our second list. I think that the number 26\nwas the one that got into the press and onto television and the radio, because\nthat\'s the list that Demichev got. I remember exactly that there were 26 \npeople on the list, I had even told Aleksandr Mikhailovich that that was only \na half of those that were on the first list. He said, "Lyuda, please, try to\nremember at least one more." But I couldn\'t remember anyone else. But there\nwere more than 30 dead. Of that I am certain. The government and the Procuracy\ndon\'t count the people who died of fright, like sick people and old people \nwhose lives are threatened by any shock. They weren\'t registered as victims of\nthe Sumgait tragedy. And then there may be people we didn\'t know. So many \npeople left Sumgait between March 1 and 8! Most of them left for smaller towns\nin Russia, and especially to the Northern Caucasus, to Stavropol, and the \nKrasnodarsk Territory. We don\'t have any information on them. I know that \nthere are people who set out for parts around Moscow. In the periodical \nKrestyanka [Woman Farmer] there was a call for people who know how to milk \ncows, and for mechanics, and drivers, and I know a whole group of people went \nto help out. Also clearly not on our list are those people who died entering\nthe city, who were burned in their cars. No one knows about them, except the \nAzerbaijanis, who are hardly likely to say anything about it. And there\'s\nmore. A great many of the people who were raped were not included in the list \ndrawn up at the Procuracy. I know of three instances for sure, and I of course\ndon\'t know them all. I\'m thinking of three women whose parents chose not to \npublicize what had happened, that is, they didn\'t take the matter to court, \nthey simply left. But in so doing they didn\'t cease being victims. One of them\nis the first cousin of my classmate Kocharian. She lived in Microdistrict No. \n8, on the fifth floor. I can\'t tell you the building number and I don\'t know \nher name. Then comes the neighbor of one of my relatives, she lived in \nMicrodistrict 1 near the gift shop. I don\'t know her name, she lives on the \nsame landing as the Sumgait procurator. They beat her father, he was holding \nthe door while his daughter hid, but he couldn\'t hold the door forever, and \nwhen she climbed over the balcony to the neighbors\' they seized her by her \nbraid. Like the Azerbaijanis were saying, it was a very cultured mob, because \nthey didn\'t kill anyone, they only raped them and left. And the third one \n. . . I don\'t remember who the third one was anymore.\n\nThey transferred us on March 1. Karina still wasn\'t herself. Yes, we lived for\ndays in the SK, in the cultural facility, and at the Khimik. They lived there \nand I lived at the City Party Committee because I couldn\'t stay with Karina; \nit was too difficult for me, but I was at peace: she had survived. I could \nalready walk, but really it was honest words that held me up. Thanks to the \nsocial work I did there, I managed to persevere. Aleksandr Mikhailovich said, \n"If it weren\'t for the work I would go insane." He and I put ourselves in gear\nand took everything upon ourselves: someone had an infant and needed diapers \nand free food, and we went to get them. The first days we bought everything, \nalthough we should have received it for free. They were supposed to have been \ndispensed free of charge, and they sold it to us. Then, when we found out it \nwas free, we went to Krayev. At the time, fortunately, you could still drop by\nto see him like a neighbor, all the more so since everything was still clearly\nvisible on our faces. Krayev sent a captain down and he resolved the issue.\n\nOn March 2 they sent two investigators to see us: Andrei Shirokov and Vladimir\nFedorovich Bibishev. The way it worked out, in our family they had considered \nonly Karina and me victims, maybe because she and I wound up in the hospital.\nMother and Father are considered witnesses, but not victims.\n\nShirokov was involved with Karina\'s case, and Bibishev, with mine. After I \ntold him everything, he and I planned to sit down with the identikit and\nrecord everyone I could remember while everything was still fresh in my mind. \nWe didn\'t work with the identikit until the very last day because the\nconditions weren\'t there. The investigative group worked slowly and did poor \nquality work solely because the situation wasn\'t conducive to working: there \nweren\'t enough automobiles, especially during the time when there was a \ncurfew, and there were no typewriters for typing transcripts, and no still or \nvideo cameras. I think that this was done on purpose. We\'re not so poor that \nwe can\'t supply our investigators with all that stuff. It was done especially \nto draw out the investigation, all the more so since the local authorities saw\nthat the Armenians were leaving at the speed of light, never to return to \nSumgait. And the Armenians had a lot to say I came to an agreement with \nBibishev, I told him myself, "Don\'t you worry, if it takes us a month or two \nmonths, I\'ll be here. I\'m not afraid, I looked death in the eyes five times in\nthose two days, I\'ll help you conduct the investigation."\n\nHe and I worked together a great deal, and I used this to shelter Karina, I\ngave them so much to do that for a while they didn\'t have the time to get to\nher, so that she would at least have a week or two to get back to being her-\nself. She was having difficulty breathing so we looked for a doctor to take x-\nrays. She couldn\'t eat or drink for nine days, she was nauseous. I didn\'t eat\nand drank virtually nothing for five days. Then, on the fifth day, when we\nwere in Baku already, the investigator told me, "How long can you go on like \nthis? Well fine, so you don\'t want to eat, you don\'t love yourself, you\'re\nnot taking care of yourself, but you gave your word that you would see this\ninvestigation through. We need you." Then I started eating, because in fact I\nwas exhausted. It wasn\'t enough that I kept seeing those faces in our apart-\nment in my mind, every day I went to the investigative solitary confinement\ncells and prisons. I don\'t know . . . we were just everywhere! Probably in\nevery prison in the city of Baku and in all the solitary confinement cells of\nSumgait. At that time they had even turned the drunk tank into solitary \nconfinement.\n\nThus far I have identified 31 of the people who were in our apartment. Mamma \nidentified three, and Karina, two. The total is 36. Marina didn\'t identify \nanyone, she remembers the faces of two or three, But they weren\'t among the \nphotographs of those detained. I told of the neighbor I recognized. The one \nwho went after the axe. He still hasn\'t been detained, he\'s still on the \nloose. He\'s gone, and it\'s not clear if he will be found or not. I don\'t know \nhis first or last name. I know which building he lived in and I know his \nsisters\' faces. But he\'s not in the city. The investigators informed me that \neven if the investigation is closed and even if the trial is over they will \ncontinue looking for him.\n\nThe 31 people I identified are largely blue-collar workers from various \nplants, without education, and of the very lowest level in every respect.\nMostly their ages range from 20 to 30 years; there was one who was 48. Only\none of them was a student. He was attending the Azerbaijan Petroleum and\nChemical Institute in Sumgait, his mother kept trying to bribe the investiga-\ntor. Once, thinking that I was an employee and not a victim, she said in front\nof me "I\'ll set you up a restaurant worth 500 rubles and give you 600 in cash\nsimply for keeping him out of Armenia," that is, to keep him from landing in\na prison on Armenian soil. They\'re all terribly afraid of that, because if the\ninvestigator is talking with a criminal and the criminal doesn\'t confess even\nthough we identified him, they tell him--in order to apply psychological\npressure--they say, "Fine, don\'t confess, just keep silent. When you\'re in an\nArmenian prison, when they find out who you are, they\'ll take care of you\nin short order." That somehow gets to them. Many give in and start to talk.\n\nThe investigators and I were in our apartment and videotaped the entire\npogrom of our apartment, as an investigative experiment. It was only then\nthat I saw the way they had left our apartment. Even without knowing who was \nin our apartment, you could guess. They stole, for example, all the money and \nall the valuables, but didn\'t take a single book. They tore them up, burned \nthem, poured water on them, and hacked them with axes. Only the Materials\nfrom the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and James \nFenimore Cooper\'s Last of the Mohigans. Oh yes, lunch was ready, we were \nboiling a chicken, and there were lemons for tea on the table. After they had \nbeen in our apartment, both the chicken and the lemons were gone. That\'s \nenough to tell you what kind of people were in our apartment, people who don\'t\neven know anything about books. They didn\'t take a single book, but they did \ntake worn clothing, food, and even the cheapest of the cheap, worn-out \nslippers.\n\nOf those whom I identified, four were Kafan Azerbaijanis living in Sumgait. \nBasically, the group that went seeking "revenge"--let\'s use their word for \nit--was joined by people seeking easy gain and thrill-seekers. I talked with \none of them. He had gray eyes, and somehow against the back-drop of all that \nblack I remembered him specifically because of his of his eyes. Besides taking\npart in the pogrom of our apartment, he was also involved in the murder of \nTamara Mekhtiyeva from Building 16. She was an older Armenian who had recently\narrived from Georgia, she lived alone and did not have anyone in Sumgait. I \ndon\'t know why she had a last name like that, maybe she was married to an \nAzerbaijani. I had laid eyes on this woman only once or twice, and know \nnothing about her. I do know that they murdered her in her apartment with an \naxe. Murdering her wasn\'t enough for them. They hacked her into pieces and \nthrew them into the tub with water.\n\nI remember another guy really well too, he was also rather fair-skinned. You \nknow, all the people who were in our apartment were darker than dark, both \ntheir hair and their skin. And in contrast with them, in addition to the grey-\neyed one, I remember this one fellow, the one l took to be a Lezgin. I \nidentified him. As it turned out he was Eduard Robertovich Grigorian, born\nin the city of Sumgait, and he had been convicted twice. One of our own. How \ndid I remember him? The name Rita was tattooed on his left or right hand. I \nkept thinking, is that Rita or "puma," which it would be if you read the word \nas Latin characters instead of Cyrillic, because the Cyrillic "T" was the one \nthat looks like a Latin "M." When they led him in he sat with his hands behind\nhis back. This was at the confrontation. He swore on every holy book, tried to\nput in an Armenian word here and there to try and spark my compassion, and \ntold me that I was making a mistake, and called me "dear sister." He said, \n"You\'re wrong, how could I, an Armenian, raise my hand against my own, an \nArmenian," and so on. He spoke so convincingly that even the investigator \nasked me, "Lyuda, are you sure it was he?" I told him, "I\'ll tell you one more\nidentifying mark. If I\'m wrong I shall apologize and say I was mistaken. The \nname Rita is tattooed on his left or right hand." He went rigid and became \npale. They told him, "Put your hands on the table." He put his hands on the\ntable with the palms up. I said, "Now turn your hands over," but he didn\'t \nturn his hands over. Now this infuriated me. If he had from the very start\nacknowledged his guilt and said that he hadn\'t wanted to do it, that they \nforced him or something else, I would have treated him somewhat differently.\nBut he insolently stuck to his story, "No, I did not do anything, it wasn\'t \nme." When they turned his hands over the name Rita was in fact tattooed on his\nhand. His face distorted and he whispered something wicked. I immediately flew\ninto a rage. There was an ashtray on the table, a really heavy one, made out \nof granite or something, very large, and it had ashes and butts in it. \nCatching myself quite by surprise, I hurled that ashtray at him. But he ducked\nand the ashtray hit the wall, and ashes and butts rained down on his head and \nback. And he smiled. When he smiled it provoked me further. I don\'t know how, \nbut I jumped over the table between us and started either pounding him or \nstrangling him; I no longer remember which. When I jumped I caught the \nmicrophone cord. The investigator was there, Tolya . . .I no longer recall his\nlast name, and he says, "Lyudochka, it\'s a Japanese microphone! Please . . .\n" And shut off all the equipment on the spot, it was all being video taped. \nThey took him away. I stayed, and they talked to me a little to calm me down, \nbecause we needed to go on working, I only remember Tolya telling me, "You\'re \nsome actress! What a performance!" I said, "Tolya, honestly . . . " Beforehand\nthey would always tell me, "Lyuda, more emotion. You speak as calmly as if \nnothing had happened to you." I say, "I don\'t have any more strength or \nemotion. All my emotions are behind me now, I no longer have the strength \n. . . I don\'t have the strength to do anything." And he says, "Lyuda, how were\nyou able to do that?" And when I returned to normal, drinking tea and watching\nthe tape, I said, "Can I really have jumped over that table? I never jumped \nthat high in gym class."\n\nSo you could say the gang that took over our apartment was international. Of \nthe 36 we identified there was an Armenian, a Russian, Vadim Vorobyev, who \nbeat Mamma, and 34 Azerbaijanis.\n\nAt the second meeting with Grigorian, when he had completely confessed his \nguilt, he told of how on February 27 the Azerbaijanis had come knocking. Among\nthem were guys--if you can call them guys--he knew from prison. They said, \n"Tomorrow we\'re going after the Armenians. Meet us at the bus station at three\no\'clock." He said, "No, I\'m not coming." They told him, "If you don\'t come \nwe\'ll kill you." He said, "Alright, I\'ll come." And he went.\n\nThey also went to visit my classmate from our microdistrict, Kamo Pogosian. He\nhad also been in prison; I think that together they had either stolen a \nmotorcycle or dismantled one to get some parts they needed. They called him \nout of his apartment and told him the same thing: "Tomorrow we\'re going to get\nthe Armenians. Be there." He said, "No." They pulled a knife on him. He said, \n"I\'m not going all the same." And in the courtyard on the 27th they stabbed \nhim several times, in the stomach. He was taken to the hospital. I know he was\nin the hospital in Baku, in the Republic hospital. If we had known about that \nwe would have had some idea of what was to come on the 28th.\n\nI\'ll return to Grigorian, what he did in our apartment. I remember that he\nbeat me along with all the rest. He spoke Azerbaijani extremely well. But he\nwas very fair-skinned, maybe that led me to think that they had it out for\nhim, too. But later it was proved that he took part in the beating and burning\nof Shagen Sargisian. I don\'t know if he participated in the rapes in our \napartment; I didn\'t see, I don\'t remember. But the people who were in our \napartment who didn\'t yet know that he was an Armenian said that he did. I \ndon\'t know if he confessed or not, and I myself don\'t recall because I blacked\nout very often. But I think that he didn\'t participate in the rape of Karina\nbecause he was in the apartment the whole time. When they carried her into the\ncourtyard, he remained in the apartment.\n\nAt one point I was talking with an acquaintance about Edik Grigorian. From her\nI learned that his wife was a dressmaker, his mother is Russian, he doesn\'t \nhave a father, and that he\'s been convicted twice. Well this will be his third\nand, I hope, last sentence. He beat his wife, she was eternally coming to work\nwith bruises. His wife was an Armenian by the name of Rita.\n\nThe others who were detained . . . well they\'re little beasts. You really can\'t\ncall them beasts, they\'re just little beasts. They were robots carrying out\nsomeone else\'s will, because at the investigation they all said, "I don\'t \nunderstand how I could have done that, I was out of my head." But we know that\nthey were won around to it and prepared for it, that\'s why they did it. In the\nname of Allah, in the name of the Koran, in the name of propagating Islam--\nthat\'s holy to them--that\'s why they did everything they were commanded to do.\nBecause I saw they didn\'t have minds of their own, I\'m not talking about their\nlevel of cultural sophistication or any higher values. No education, they\nwork, have a slew of children without the means to raise them properly, they \ncrowd them in, like at the temporary housing, and apparently, they were \npromised that if they slaughtered the Armenians they would receive apartments.\nSo off they went. Many of them explained their participation saying, "they \npromised us apartments."\n\nAmong them was one who genuinely repented. I am sure that he repented from the\nheart and that he just despised himself after the incident. He worked at a \nchildren\'s home, an Azerbaijani, he has two children, and his wife works at \nthe children\'s home too. Everything that they acquired, everything that they \nhave they earned by their own labor, and wasn\'t inherited from parents or \ngrandparents. And he said, "I didn\'t need anything I just don\'t know . . . how\nI ended up in that; it was like some hand was guiding me. I had no will of my \nown, I had no strength, no masculine dignity, nothing." And the whole time I\nkept repeating, "Now you imagine that someone did the same to your young wife \nright before your own eyes." He sat there and just wailed.\n\nBut that leader in the Eskimo dogskin coat was not detained. He performed a \nmarvelous disappearing act, but I think that they\'ll get onto him, they just \nhave to work a little, because that Vadim, that boy, according to his\ngrandfather, is in touch with the young person who taught him what to do, how \nto cover his tracks. He was constantly exchanging jackets with other boys he \nknew and those he didn\'t, either, and other things as well, and changed \nhimself like a chameleon so they wouldn\'t get onto him, but he was detained.\n\nThat one in the Eskimo dogskin coat was at the Gambarians\' after Aleksandr \nGambarian was murdered. He came in and said, "Let\'s go, enough, you\'ve spilled\nenough blood here."\n\nMaybe Karina doesn\'t know this but the reason they didn\'t finish her off was \nthat they were hoping to take her home with them. I heard this from Aunt Tanya\nand her sons, the Kasumovs, who were in the courtyard near the entryway. They \nliked her very much, and they had decided to take her to home with them. When \nKarina came to at one point--she doesn\'t remember this yet, this the neighbors \nold me--and she saw that there was no one around her, she started crawling to \nthe entryway. They saw that she was still alive and came back, they were \nalready at the third entryway, on their way to the Gambarians\'. They came back\nand started beating her to finish her. If she had not come to she would have \nsustained lesser bodily injuries, they would have beat her less. An older \nwoman from our building, Aunt Nazan, an Azerbaijani, all but lay on top of \nKarina, crying and pleading that they leave her alone, but they flung her off.\nThe woman\'s grown sons were right nearby; they picked her up in their hands \nand led her home. She howled and cried out loudly and swore: God is on Earth, \nhe sees everything, and He won\'t forgive this.\n\nThere was another woman, too, Aunt Fatima, a sick, aging woman from the first \nfloor, she\'s already retired. Mountain dwellers, and Azerbaijanis, too, have a\ncustom: If men are fighting, they throw a scarf under their feet to stop them.\nBut they trampled her scarf and sent her home. To trample a scarf is \ntantamount to trampling a woman\'s honor.\n\nNow that the investigation is going on, now that a lot is behind us and we \nhave gotten back to being ourselves a little, I think about how could these \nevents that are now called the Sumgait tragedy happen? How did they come \nabout? How did it start? Could it have been avoided? Well, it\'s clear that \nwithout a signal, without permission from the top leadership, it would not \nhave happened. All the same, I\'m not afraid to say this, the Azerbaijanis,\nlet other worthy people take no offense, the better representatives of their \nnations, let them take no offense, but the Azerbaijanis in their majority are \na people who are kept in line only by fear of the law, fear of retribution for\nwhat they have done. And when the law said that they could do all that, like\nunleashed dogs who were afraid they wouldn\'t have time to do everything, they \nthrew themselves from one thing to the next so as to be able to get more done,\nto snatch a bit more. The smell of the danger was already in the air on\nFebruary 27. You could tell that something was going to happen. And everyone \nwho had figured it out took steps to avoid running into those gangs. Many left\nfor their dachas, got plane tickets for the other end of the country, just got\nas far away as their legs would carry them.\n\nFebruary 27 was a Saturday. I was teaching my third class. The director came \ninto my classroom and said that I should let the children out, that there had \nbeen a call from the City Party Committee asking that all teachers gather for \na meeting at Lenin Square. Well, I excused the children, and there were few \nteachers left at school, altogether three women, the director, and six or \nseven men. The rest had already gone home. We got to Lenin Square and there \nwere a great many people there. This was around five-thirty or six in the \nevening, no later. They were saying all kinds of rubbish up on the podium and \nthe crowd below was supporting them stormily, roaring. They spoke over the \nmicrophone about what had happened in Kafan a few days earlier and that the \ndriver of a bus going to some district had recently thrown a small Azerbaijani\nchild off the bus. The speaker affirmed that he was an eyewitness, that he had\nseen it himself..The crowd started to rage: "Death to the Armenians! They must\nbe killed!" Then a woman went up on stage. I didn\'t see the woman because \npeople were clinging to the podium like flies. I could only hear her. The \nwoman introduced herself as coming from Kafan, and said that the Armenians \ncut her daughters\' breasts off, and called, "Sons, avenge my daughters!" That \nwas enough. A portion of the people on the square took off running in the \ndirection of the factories, toward the beginning of Lenin Street.\n\nWe stood there about an hour. Then the director of School 25 spoke, he gave a \nvery nationalist speech. He said, "Brother Muslims, kill the Armenians!" This \nhe repeated every other sentence. When he said this the crowd supported him \nstormily, whistling and shouting "Karabagh!" He said, "Karabagh has been our \nterritory my whole life long, Karabagh is my soul. How can you tear out my \nheart?" As though an Azerbaijani would die without Karabagh. "It\'s our \nterritory, the Armenians will never see it. The Armenians must be eliminated. \nFrom time immemorial Muslims have cleansed the land of infidel Armenians, from\ntime immemorial, that\'s the way nature created it, that every 20 to 30 years \nthe Azerbaijanis should cleanse the land of filth." By filth he meant \nArmenians.\n\nI heard this. Before that I hadn\'t been listening to the speeches closely.\nMany people spoke and I stood with my back to the podium, talking shop with \nthe other teachers, and somehow it all went right by, it didn\'t penetrate,\nthat in fact something serious was taking place. Then, when one of our\nteachers said, "Listen to what he\'s saying, listen to what idiocy he\'s \nspouting," we listened. That was the speech of that director. Before that we \nlistened to the woman\'s speech.\n\nRight then in our group--there were nine of us--the mood changed, and the \nsubject of conversation and all school matters were forgotten. Our director of\nstudies, for whom I had great respect, he\'s an Azerbaijani . . . Before that I\nhad considered him an upstanding and worthy person, if there was a need to \nobtain leave we had asked him, he seemed like a good person. So he tells me,\n"Lyuda, you know that besides you there are no Armenians on the square? If \nthey find out that you\'re an Armenian they\'ll tear you to pieces. Should I \ntell them you\'re an Armenian? Should I tell them you\'re an Armenian?" When he \nsaid it the first time I pretended not to hear it, and then he asked me a \nsecond time. I turned to the director, Khudurova, and said that it was already\nafter eight, I was expected at home, and I should be leaving. She answered, \n"No, they said that women should stay here until ten o\'clock,.and men, until \ntwelve. Stay here." There was a young teacher with us, her children were in \nkindergarten and her husband worked shifts. She asked to leave: "I left my \nchildren at the kindergarten." The director excused her. When she let her go I\nturned around, said, "Good-bye," and left with the young teacher, the \nAzerbaijani. I didn\'t see them after that.\n\nWhen we were walking the buses weren\'t running, and a crowd from the rally ran\nnearby us. They had apparently gotten all fired up. It must have become too \nmuch for them, and they wanted to seek vengeance immediately, so they rushed \noff. I wasn\'t afraid this time because I was sure that the other teacher \nwouldn\'t say that I was an Armenian.\n\nTo make it short, we reached home. Then Karina told of how they had been at \nthe movies and what had happened there. I started telling of my experience and\nagain my parents didn\'t understand that we were in danger. We watched \ntelevision as usual, and didn\'t even imagine that tomorrow would be our last \nday. That\'s how it all was.\n\nAt the City Party Committee I met an acquaintance, we went to school together,\nZhanna, I don\'t remember her last name, she lives above the housewares store \non Narimanov Street. She was there with her father, for some reason she \ndoesn\'t have a mother. The two of them were at home alone. While her father \nheld the door she jumped from the third floor, and she was lucky that the \nground was wet and that there wasn\'t anyone behind the building when she went \nout on the balcony, there was no one there, they were all standing near the \nentryway. That building was also a lucky one in that there were no murders \nthere. She jumped. She jumped and didn\'t feel any pain in the heat of the \nmoment. A few days later I found out that she couldn\'t stand up, she had been \ninjured somehow. That\'s how people in Sumgait saved their lives, their honor, \nand their children: any way they could. \n\nWhere it was possible, the Armenians fought back. My father\'s first cousin, \nArmen M., lives in Block 30. They found out by phone from one of the victims \nwhat was going on in town. The Armenians in that building all called one \nanother immediately and all of them armed themselves with axes, knives, even \nwith muskets and went up to the roof. They took their infants with them, and \ntheir old women who had been in bed for God knows how many months, they got \nthem right out of their beds and took everyone upstairs. They hooked \nelectricity up to the trap door to the roof and waited, ready to fight. Then \nthey took the daughter of the school board director hostage, she\'s an \nAzerbaijani who lived in their building. They called the school board director\nand told her that if she didn\'t help them, the 17 Armenians on the roof, to \nescape alive and unharmed, she\'d never see her daughter again. I\'m sure, of \ncourse, that Armenians would never lay a hand on a woman, it was just the only\nthing that could have saved them at the time. She called the police. The \nArmenians made a deal with the local police to go into town. Two armored \npersonnel carriers and soldiers were summoned They surrounded the entryway and\nled everyone down from the roof, and off to the side from the armored \npersonnel carriers was a crowd that was on its way to the building at that \nvery moment, into Block 30. That\'s how they defended themselves.\n\nI heard that our neighbors, Roman and Sasha Gambarian, resisted. They\'re big, \nstrong guys. Their father was killed. And I heard that the brothers put up a \nstrong defense and lost their father, but were able to save their mother.\n\nOne of the neighbors told me that after it happened, when they were looking \nfor the criminals on March 1 to 2 and detaining everyone they suspected, \npeople hid people in our entryway, maybe people who were injured or perhaps \ndead. The neighbors themselves were afraid to go there, and when they went \nwith the soldiers into our basement they are supposed to have found \nAzerbaijani corpses. I don\'t know how many. Even if they had been wounded and \nput down there, after two days they would have died from loss of blood or \ninfection--that basement was filled with water. I heard this from the \nneighbors. And later when I was talking with the investigators the subject \ncame up and they confirmed it. I know, too, that for several hours the \nbasement was used to store objects stolen from our apartment. And our neighbor\ncarried out our carpet, along with the rest: he stole it for himself, posing \nas one of the criminals. Everyone was taking his own share, and the neighbor \ntook his, too, and carried it home. And when we came back, when everything \nseemed to have calmed down, he returned it, saying that it was the only thing \nof ours he had managed to "save."\n\nRaya\'s husband and father defended themselves. The Trdatovs defended \nthemselves, and so did other Armenian families. To be sure there were\nAzerbaijani victims, although we\'ll never hear anything about them. For some \nreason our government doesn\'t want to say that the Armenians were not just \nvictims, but that they defended the honor of their sisters and mothers, too. \nIn the TV show "Pozitsiya" [Viewpoint] a military man, an officer, said that \nthe Armenians did virtually nothing to defend themselves. But that\'s not \nimportant, the truth will come out regardless.\n\nSo that\'s the price we paid those three days. For three days our courage, our \nbravery, and our humanity was tested. It was those three days, and not the \nyears and dozens of years we had lived before them, that showed what we\'ve \nbecome, what we grew up to be. Those three days showed who was who.\n\nOn that I will conclude my narrative on the Sumgait tragedy. It should be said\nthat it\'s not over yet, the trials are still ahead of us, and the punishments\nreceived by those who so violated us, who wanted to make us into nonhumans \nwill depend on our position and on the work of the investigators, the \nProcuracy, and literally of every person who lent his hand to the investiga-\ntion. That\'s the price we paid to live in Armenia, to not fear going out on \nthe street at night, to not be afraid to say we\'re Armenians, and to not fear\nspeaking our native tongue.\n\n October 15,1988\n Yerevan\n\n\t\t\t- - - reference for #008 - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
'From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu\nSubject: Re: The \'pill\' for Deer = No Hunting\nLines: 117\n\nIn article <PA146008.710.734831135@utkvm1.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n> \n>>In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes:\n>>> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA.\n>>\n>>\tThe vast majority get through life without ever having to\n>>\town, use or display a firearm. \n> \n> You might have missed the U.S. News & World Report excerpt\n> I posted. It is fairly consistant with other such polls, finding\n> that approximately 40-50% of households have at least one firearm.\n> How this translates into individual ownership is questionable, but I\n> think it\'s fairly safe to say that you\'re wrong about the "vast majority."\n\n\tOK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still\n\tclaim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even\n\tthreaten anyone with them. What do they do right ... or are\n\tthey just lucky ? In either case, this means the \'average\n\tthreat level\' in this country is rather low. \n \n>> Besides, there are other\n>>\tmeans of self-protection which can be just as effective\n>>\tas firearms. \n> \n> Please name them. The key phrase is "can be." Theories are\n> nice, but practicality is more important. A taser (to chose an\n> exmpale outlawed virtually everywhere) "can" be as effective as a gun,\n> under optimal conditions when dealing with your absolute average\n> [...]\n\n\tI think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these\n\talternative means of self-protection involved any hardware.\n\tWhy are \'good\' neighborhoods \'good\' ? It isn\'t because every\n\tperson is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude\n\tand (2) cooperation. In the \'good\' neighborhoods, the residents\n\tmake themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when\n\tstrangers are lurking around. \'Good\' neighborhoods form groups\n\tlike \'crime-watch\' to increase this effect, and the relative\n\teffectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the\n\tgood neighbors step up and say "THAT\'S the one officer ! He\n\twas robbing Mr. Jones\' house". \n\n\tIn short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at\n\tleast a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative.\n\tReplace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better\n\tconversationalist too and you can invite it over for a\n\tblock party. \n\n>>> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or\n>>> scientific scrutiny.\n>>\n>>\tNew to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public\n>>\tor political opinion, usually political. To imagine that\n>>\tinalienable \'rights\' are somehow wired into the vast cold\n>>\tcosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion.\n> \n> In a very real sense *everything* the government does is based\n> on public approval, if for no other reason than at any particular time\n> there aren\'t "public servants" commonly adorning trees.\n> \n> But legality and legitimacy also matter. If a government\'s charter\n> makes a rule, which the government then violates, it is violated the\n> basis for its existance. Enforcement of its will becomes a matter\n> solely of force of arms.\n\n\tOliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many\n\tall-American \'conservative\' quarters. He and Big Ron\n\tset-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely\n\tillegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing\n\ttwenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all\n\tthe time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really\n\tcares anymore. \'Legitimacy\' is a non-issue. Legality is\n\ta non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who\n\tgives a rats ass ? \n\n>>> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny.\n>>\n>>\tThey don\'t have to. Like so many other things, the issue\n>>\tis one of -perception- rather than boring statistics.\n> \n> Excuse me, sir, but *you* were the one suggesting that arguments\n> for RKBA would not stand up to scientific scrutiny.\n\n\tNo. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical\n\taspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue.\n\n>>\tEvery time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive\n>>\tby, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every\n>>\ttime a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change,\n>>\tevery time some moron kills his wife because she took the\n>>\tlast beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a \'bang\'\n>>\tin the night .... the RKBA dies. \n> \n> Emotion is hard to argue against. But it must be done anyway if\n> emotion is wrong.\n\n\tArgue away ... you can\'t win. \n\n>> The stats are not all *that*\n>>\tclearly behind firearms - \n> \n> And just yesterday you claimed they weren\'t behind them at\n> all.\n> \n>> the protection factor does not\n>>\tstrongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. \n> \n> Operating under the assumption that the same conditions absolutely\n> govern both of them. That the expansion of one automatically necessitates\n> the contraction of the other.\n\n\tFirearms-related mindless mayhem will be related to the\n\tavailibility of firearms. If they become scarce and \n\tand expensive, a different psychology will take hold.\n\tI *think* they would be used far less to settle trivial\n\tcomplaints. \n',
"From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)\nSubject: Re: Bikes And Contacts\nOrganization: Icom Simulations\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.163450.1@skcla.monsanto.com> \nmpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:\n\n> Michael (Manning)...Must be that blockhead of yours....the gargoyles\n> are the ONLY thing that work for me! ;*}\n> \n> \n> Michael (Menard)\n> \n> P.S. When you showin' up at Highland House? We'll compare sunglasses...\n\nLet's see how the weather is Saturday or Sunday. It sucks\ntoday. What time is good?\nYou're welcome to give any of the ones I have a try. As\nfor the gargoyles, if you want mine you can have 'em. I\nthink the bridge of my nose holds them too far from my face.\nSame deal for the two of my friends who tried them. For\npeople who use them with a full face helmet, all bets are\noff. Sorry if they fit you well and took my complaint\npersonally. Yes the Oakleys are much more desirable squid\nattire. Also the gargoyles aren't that ugly, even in my\nopinion, or I wouldn't have tried them.\n\n--\nMichael Manning\nmmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)\n\n`92 FLSTF FatBoy\n`92 Ducati 900SS\n\n",
"From: thor@surt.atd.ucar.edu (Richard E. Neitzel)\nSubject: XQueryBestCursor semi-broken?\nOrganization: National Center for Atmospheric Research\nLines: 18\n\nSome one asked me recently why they when they used XQueryBestCursor to see\nif they could create of a given size it seemed to imply they could, but the\nserver did not create cursors of that size. Investigation showed that some X\nservers will happily return any size up to the size of the root window, while\nothers return some fixed limit of more reasonable size. The interesting thing\nto me is that the same server binary acts differently on different hardware -\na Sun4 with a cg2 will claim cursors up to root window size are OK, while a\nSun4 with a cg6 will stop at 32x32. So far I've also seen this behavior on\nNCD and Phase-X X terminals and have been told it also occurs on HPs. \nActually, the NCD is even more liberal - sizes much larger then the root\nwinodw are gladly returned as OK. Is XQueryBestCursor semi-broken or is this\nbehavior correct? I'd really like to see a 2000x2000 cursor!\n\n-- \nRichard Neitzel thor@thor.atd.ucar.edu Torren med sitt skjegg\nNational Center For Atmospheric Research lokkar borni under sole-vegg\nBox 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000\t Gjo'i med sitt shinn\n303-497-2057 jagar borni inn.\n",
'From: leono@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Leon Olszewski )\nSubject: DDE frustrations - Can you help?\nSummary: Need help to get DDE to work\nKeywords: DDE\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 24\n\nI am starting to work on a project using DDE to transfer data. The \napplication came with an Excel macro which can transfer the data.\nI need to \'port\' it to 1-2-3W. 1-2-3W uses a very different setup\nfor DDE macros.\n\nDoes anyone have any suggestions as to good references? I have \ndownloaded "WW01117: Windows Dynamic Exchange (DDE)" [the MS\nApplication Note]. Any books worth getting?\n\nThe specifics are:\n\nServer application: Dionex AI-450 Chromatography Data System\nClient application: 1-2-3 for Windows V1.1\n\nExcept for the macro, Dionex did not provide any documentation\nfor DDE. Also, I am having problems because I am trying to develop\nthe application on my PC, but to actually get data, you need to be\nconnect to the instrument. Any help here would be appreciated, too.\n\nThanks,\n-- \n\nLeon M. Olszewski | Nothing is worse than having an itch you can\nInternet: leono@uiuc.edu | never scratch. Leon - Bladerunner\n',
'From: amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin)\nSubject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3)\nOrganization: National Center for Atmospheric Research\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <jxu.735168686@black.clarku.edu>, jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!) writes:\n|> Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago\n|> White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season.\n|> \n|> So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3\n|> when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again\n|> (have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can\n|> play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V.\n|> \n\nAs long as the Yankees are in the same division the Red Sox will\nplay better than .500 baseball.\n\nOr the Red Sox can hire former East German swimming coaches to\n"train" them at the fine art of body "building". The Red Sox\ncan use Chinese women swimmers as a reference.\n\nWith the "HAWK", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the\neast this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to\nthe park each day. And he has a burning desire to play in the\nWorld Series.\n\nFuture Hall-of-Famer, Andre Dawson will kick butt in Boston!\n\nfrom Rockies country,\n\nAnthony M. Jivoin\nNational Center for Atmospheric Research\nRSF/ATD - FL1\nP.O. Box 3000\nBoulder, CO 80307\n',
"From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)\nSubject: dogs\nArticle-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 52\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ikkoku-kan.panda.com\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII\n\nI'm a biker and a dog-lover.\n\nFirst and foremost, I want to mention some common sense. If it's a choice\nbetween injuring/killing a dog or getting yourself injured/killed, there is\nonly one rational decision. Only the most insane animal rights kook would put\nthe dog first.\n\nSecond, it's useful to learn how to read a dog's body language. How you react\nto a dog who is chasing you because he thinks it's a game (and that you're\nplaying with him) is completely different from how you react to a dog which\nhas hostile intent.\n\nThird, it's useful to learn how to present yourself to a dog. Dogs are social\nbeasts, and recognize a domination/submission hierarchy. To a dog, there are\ntwo types of fellow-creatures; that which he dominates, and that which\ndominate him. You need to unambiguously represent yourself as being of the\nlatter class. You are God: you are easily angered and your anger is terrible.\nBut God is also amused by one who properly submits to His dominance, and may\neven on rare occasions dispense a kind word, a kind word, or even (oh joy oh\nrapture unforeseen) A Dog Bisquit!\n\nNow, how does that all relate to biking? Well, first, it's a good idea to\nassume that most dogs who chase motorcycles do so because they think it's a\ngame, and not out of overt hostility. The MSF suggestion is a very good one;\nwhen you see the dog coming, slow down so he determines a particular place of\ninterception. Just before you (and he) reach that spot, punch the throttle so\nthat when he reaches it you're already long gone. Dogs take a few seconds to\nreact to new input, and definitely cannot comprehend the acceleration that a\nmotorcycle is capable of.\n\nWith a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures\nmay be necessary. This is the face off. First -- and there is very important\n-- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory. Face him off on the\nroad, not on his driveway. If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up\nnewspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will\nhurt him). Stand your ground, then slowly advance. Your mental attitude is\nthat you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. The\nlarger the dog, the greater your anger.\n\nDogs will pick up anger, just as they can pick up fear. And, since you and he\nare not on his home territory, it may suddenly dawn on the dog that perhaps he\nis on your territory, and that you are prepared to fight to the death.\n\nMost dogs will decide that it is a good idea to retreat to their own territory\nwhere there is at least a home advantage. They'll also observe that you are\nsatisfied by that retreat (gesture of submission) and thus they have escaped\npunishment.\n\nThe interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great\ndeal to them. The more effective you are at communicating body language, the\nless you actually have to do. After 7 years with my 93 pound beast, I've\nlearned a few tricks I think...\n",
"From: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan)\nSubject: Re: Deir Yassin\nOrganization: Universite de Montreal\nLines: 25\n\nAre you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin\nor in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes:\n\nThere is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII\n\nPalestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more.\n\nIn fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place.\n\nPeople die that is all. No one gets killed.\n\nMaybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american\nnapalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all.\n\nMaybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they \nmay be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No?\n\nWhat do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so?\nWell it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it\nintelligently.\n\nSincerely yours.\n\nHassan\n\n",
"From: u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu\nSubject: Phils are still looking immaculate!\nLines: 18\nOrganization: Stevens Institute Of Technology\n\n\n\n\n\nLadies and gentleman,\n\n\tStep one was taken on the Phils' triumphant trip this year tonight!\n\n\t\t\t(Yes, that was English!)\n\n\tMulholland's ERA after tonight's game? 0.00...nice try Drabek!\n\n\n\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNINJA JEW\n\n",
'From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)\nSubject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3\nLines: 84\nReply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de\nOrganization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.234600.14061@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes:\n\n|>Here is a press release from the United States Information Agency.\n|>\n|> Digest of Foreign Media Reaction from the United States Information\n|>Agency April 12 (1 of 3)\n|> To: National Desk\n|> Contact: Anne Chermak of the United States Information Agency,\n|> 202-619-6511\n|>\n|> WASHINGTON, April 13 -- Following is part one\n|>of a digest of foreign media reaction from April 1-12, compiled\n|>by the United States Information Agency:\n|>\n|> TERRORISM AND WORLD INSECURITY\n|>\n|> In recent editorials, Iran was universally recognized as\n|>te source of the double threat of state-sponsored terrorism\n|>and Islamic extremism. But beyond this fear and condemnation,\n|>journalists found little common ground that would compel both\n|>North and South, and Arab and non-Arab nations to work together\n|>to combat the global threat of terrorism. For example, Egyptian\n|>and Algerian papers were in the forefront in charging U.S. complicity\n|>in the current instability in the Middle East. Those commentators\n|>asserted that the United States had promoted Islamic fundamentalism\n|>during the Afghanistan War and had further added to regional\n|>instability by alternately encouraging Iraq and Iran.\n\nThe cads! The fact that this is precisely what the US was up to of\ncourse is not mentioned. It is a fact that Regan and Bush sold arms\nto Iran, it is also a fact that they supported and armed Iraq.\n\nStill this is state dept propaganda so none too surprizing.\n\n|> India\'s papers weighed the pros and cons of helping the West to\n|>identify Pakistan\'s role in promoting terrorism, noting on the one\n|>hand that doing so could "bring ruination to Islamabad\'s Kashmir\n|>cause" but, on the other, could also bring India\'s security apparatus\n|>uncomfortably close to the CIA and the Mossad. Arab papers continued\n|>to portray Iraq and Libya as being unfairly treated by the UN while\n|>Israel remains unpunished for resolutions which it has violated.\n\nIn the case of Lybia there is the problem that the US only decided\nthat Gadffii ordered the bombing after it needed to make peace with\ndamascus during the gulf war. One day the US is certain that its Syria,\nthe next Lybia. For a strange reason the US will not provide evidence to\nLybian courts for extradition proceedings. Faced with similar demands the\nUSA would reject them as would any other country.\n\n\n|> Concerning Northern Ireland, President Clinton\'s message of\n|>consolation to the victims of the Warrington bombing was seen in\n|>British tabloids as signalling a tougher stance by the American\n|>government against violence by the IRA.\n\nThe word is "terrorism".\n\n\nThe problem is that after the behaviour of George Bush the USA has an\nimage abroad as doing precisely what it likes and is in its own interests\nthen comming out with a Dysney scripted sugary justification repeating a\nfitting combination of the words "freedom" "dignity" "democaracy" or\nof "terrorism" "dictatorship" etc as appropriate.\n\nThe USA could go quite far to mend the bridges with Iran. The people there are\nrather pissed off because the USA first supported the Shah who they\nloathed and then supported Saddam when he mounted an unprovoked attack. \nHardly surprizing after the embassy hostage crisis but Iran is meant to be\nthe country run by unreasonable bigots not the USA so if there is to be\nmovement it would be easier for the USA to move.\n\nFirst off they could recognise Iraqu\'s responsibility in initiating the\nIran/Iraq war. Providing technical assistance to Iran to get it\'s oil\nproduction back up to capacity would also be a smart move, at the moment \nIran is above it\'s OPEC ceiling. If they had extra capacity they would\nuse it and bring down the oild price further which is in our interests.\n\nThe Iranian clerics would have an interest in seeking a raprochment \nsimply because a permanent war footing is debilitating. They also need\nwestern technology. \n\n\nPhill Hallam-Baker\n',
"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus)\nSubject: Cryptology in the world\nKeywords: cryptology international restrictions\nOrganization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA\nLines: 10\n\nWhat is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the\nworld? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their\npolicies on citizens encrypting electronic data? \n\nI'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance.\n-- \n<><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><>\n< Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. >\n< -- Leo Tolstoy >\n<><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><>\n",
'From: "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>\nSubject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was\nIn-Reply-To: <C5L1Fv.H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil>\nNntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1\nOrganization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa\nX-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)\nLines: 35\n\n>DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:23:54 GMT\n>FROM: Umar Khan <khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil>\n>\n> His conclusion was that,\n>while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur\'an had to\n>say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the\n>Holy Qur\'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in\n>the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known\n>what *not to include* in the Holy Qur\'an (assuming he had authored\n>it)? \n>\nWell, it looks like the folks in soc.religion.islam have loosened up\na bit and are discussing this topic as well as the banking/interest\ntopic. A few books on the subject have also been mentioned in addition\nto the one you mentioned. These may be hard to find, but I think I may\ntake a stab at it out of curiosity. I know the one film I saw on this\nsubject was pretty weak and the only two quotes I have seen which were\nused to show science in the Koran (which I posted here) were also pretty \nvague. I suspect that these books will extrapolate an awful lot on the\nquotes they have.\n\nAt least one poster on the Islam channel seems to have some misgivings\nabout the practice of using the Koran to decide what is good science.\n\nI wonder if Islam has ever come up with the equivalent of the Christians\n"Creation Science" on any topic. It would be interesting to find a history\nof scientific interpretations of the Koran, to see if anyone used the Koran\nto support earlier science which has since been discarded. It is all too\neasy to look at science as it exists today and then "interpret" passages\nto match those findings. People do similar things with the sayings of\nNostradamus all the time.\n\nAnyway, it is a rather unique claim of Islam and may be worth checking.\n\n\n',
'From: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Paul Peak)\nSubject: FOR SALE: TelePort ADB 2400bps Modem w/Send Fax\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\nI am selling my Global Village Teleport 2400 bps modem w/send fax. It\nconnects to the mac through the ADB port. The software for sending\nfaxes is included. I am asking $90. However, I will consider other\nreasonable offers. Please E-Mail me.\n\nDave\n\nDave Peak\nInternet -- dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu\nAOL -- skibum7\n\n\n',
'From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)\nSubject: Re: Remember those names come election time.\nKeywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:\n> \n> BTW, with Bosnia\'s large Moslem population, why have nations like \n> Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money \n> or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered \n> to help out Bosnia? \n\nObviously, you really don\'t know.\n\nThey *have* spoken out (cf Sec\'y of State Christopher\'s recent trip to the ME),\nthey have provided millions in aid, and they have participated in the airlifts\nto Sarajevo. They *would* supply military aid, if the UN would lift the embargo \non arms sales. \n\n> The Turkish ambassador has ocassionally said\n> a thing or two, but that\'s all; I see no great enthusism from any \n> of those places to get *their* hands dirty. Why does the US always\n> get stuck with this stuff?\n>\n\nSee above. (Kuwait has directly participated in the airlift of food to\nSarajevo.)\n\n> Besides, there\'s no case that can be made for US military involvement\n> there that doesn\'t apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or\n> (it appears with the Khmer Rouge\'s new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites\n> don\'t count?\n\nHmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are\n"oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don\'t count.\n\n>\n>\n>---peter\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n',
'From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)\nSubject: Re: a universal RIGHT to bear arms? NOT!\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 25\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nrats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:\n\n\n>||\tWrong again, but if you want proof: turn on your TV and look\n>||for a show starring Chuck Connors. It was called, "The Rifleman."\n>||Time how fast he can fire that old lever-action rifle.\n\n>|Believe it or not, I remember seeing an advertisement for someone\n>|selling one of these; apparently Winchester produced a bunch of\n>|these commercially to commemorate the television show. I believe it was \n>|being sold as a handgun because of the barrel length and lack of a stock.\n\n>I might be mistaking the above weapon for the gun used by Steve\n>McQueen in "Wanted: Dead or Alive." If so, sorry. Did Winchester\n>make any commemorative models of the rifle used by Chuck Connors\n>in the movie? Chuck Connors was an NRA member before he died recently...\n\nI don\'t know for sure if Winchester made any commemeratives. If I\nrecall correctly, the rifle itself was a .44-40 Model 92 with an\noversized loop lever. I don\'t think Winchester makes this rifle\nany more. Rossi make a Model 92 look-alike in .38 Special and\n.357 Magnum.\n\naaron\narc@cco.caltech.edu\n',
'From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)\nSubject: Re: Atheist\'s views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")\nReply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu\nOrganization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.22.1993.28397@athos.rutgers.edu> \ntrajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:\n\n> Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,\n> Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic\n> quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values,\n> thus all must be true...\n\nYep. There\'s truth in all those religions, even in science. \nChristianity doesn\'t claim to know it all. It does claim certain \nthings are true though that contradict other religions\' truth claims. \nSo they can\'t all be true.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------\nRob Steele In coming to understand anything \nMIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they\n244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts\nLexington, MA 02173 as they are. \n617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis\n',
"From: krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk\nSubject: RE: HELP ME INJECT...\nOrganization: Oxford University VAX 6620\nLines: 12\n\nThe best way of self injection is to use the right size needle\nand choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra\nmuscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on\nthe upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). \nClean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make\nsure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the\nneedle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it \npierces the skin).\n\nPS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should\nbe avoided as far as possible.\n \n",
"Subject: Re: Nazi memoribilia\nFrom: cmay@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Christopher C May)\nOrganization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona\nLines: 34\n\nIn <1993Apr2.232511.10711@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool) writes:\n\n>Swatikas were also common in American Indian markings/painted walls etc. Is\n>it the Swastika that is bad? \n\nJust want to back this up with a personal anecdote. My grandparents\nhave a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade \nfrom the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona. The decorative motif\nconsists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner. What's more, the\ncolor scheme is black, white, and red. To the casual glance it would\nundoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind. Yet they owned it\nten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power. \n\nAs I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right\nabout putting it back up until the 60's. It still draws comments from \nthose who don't know what it is.\n\n--ccm\n\n-- \nChristopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu\n+=============================================================================+\n| Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes promoted | \n| it, but only war and weapons have made it yours. -- Robert Ardrey |\n| Armaque in armatos sumere jura sinunt. -- Ovid | \n| The wise man's understanding inclineth him toward his right hand, but a |\n| fool's heart turneth him to the left. -- Ecclesiastes 10:2 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n--\nChristopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu\n+=============================================================================+\n| Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n",
'From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)\nSubject: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ?\nSummary: How many 512k VRAM simms do I need to add to the Quadra 800?\nKeywords: VRAM Quadra 800\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 12\n\nI want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS do I\nneed to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take\nout the current VRAM before I add more?\n\nThanks,\n\nWesley Stuart Jones\n--\n%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\n%% Wesley Stuart Jones jonesw@res.wes.mot.com \t%%\n%% wstuartj@ecn.purdue.edu %%\n%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\n',
"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: HELP! TONIGHT! Determine this 387??-25MHz chip!\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nDid it ever accrue to you to just call INTEL'S 800 number and ask?\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n",
'From: markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nNntp-Posting-Host: elvis.wri.com\nOrganization: Wolfram Research, Inc.\nLines: 22\n\nIn <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:\n\n>In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O\'Dwyer) writes:\n>>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round.\n>>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them\n>>from subjective values, before we go any further.\n\n\n>Atoms are not objective. They aren\'t even real. What scientists call\n>an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes \n>certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All\n>of which is subjective. \n\nOmigod, it\'s an operationalist! Sorry, Jim, but the idea that a theory\nexplaining a myriad of distinctly different observations is merely a\n"model" is more than sensible people can accept -- your phobia about\nobjective reality notwithstanding.\n--\nMark Pundurs\n\nany resemblance between my opinions and those \nof Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental\n',
'From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:\n\n [riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted]\n\n>Well, there doesn\'t seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates.\n>Obviously you\'re not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the\n>others?\n\nI\'m going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.\n\nRide safe,\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 \'92 Seca II (Tem) |\n| |\n| This bike is in excellent condition. |\n| I\'ve done all the work on it myself. |\n| |\n| -- Glen "CRASH" Stone |\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner)\nSubject: Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme\'s?]"]\nOrganization: Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <19613@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr7.221357.12533@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes:\n> >> see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the\n> >> those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything.\n> >> There is a lot of money involved.\n> >\n> >\tYou keep bringing this up. But I don\'t understand what\'s in it\n> >financially for the physician to go ahead and treat. Unless the physician\n> >has an investment in (or is involved in some kickback scheme with) the\n> >home infusion company, where is the financial gain for the doctor?\n> \n> Well, let me put it this way, based on my own experience. A\n> general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases,\n> by establishing links to the "Lyme community", treating patients\n> who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they\n> have lyme as if they did, saying that diseases such as MS\n> are probably spirochetal, if not Lyme, giving talks at meetings\n> of users groups, validating the feelings of even delusional\n> patients, etc. This GP can go from being a run-of-the-mill\n> $100K/yr GP to someone with lots of patients in the hospital\n> and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his\n> office, and making lots of bread. Also getting the adulation\n> of many who believe his is their only hope (if not of cure,\n> then of control) and seeing his name in publications put out\n> by support groups, etc. This is a definite temptation.\n\n\tHarumph. Getting published in these newsletters is hardly something\nto aspire to. :-)\n\tI can\'t really argue with your logic, though I think you may be\nextrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of\none. Even if what you say about this local Pittsburgh guy is true, it is\nnot logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who\ntreat Lyme disease.\n\tBy your logic, I could conclude that all of the physicians who\nconsult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to\nLyme patients are doing it for the money, rather than because they believe\nthey are encouraging good medicine. I have no idea how sincere these guys\nare, but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for\nwhat you believe to be indiscriminate treatment.\n\tI would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues\nin Lyme, rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties\ninvolved.\n\n> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\n> geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nCarl Brenner\n\n',
'From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas)\nSubject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.024128.9119@ncsu.edu> ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes:\n>\t(normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode\n>\tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a \n>\tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You\'ll have to \n>\texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n>\tMS Windows world.\n>\tThanks.\n>\t====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========\n\t\n\tFirst of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is\na trivial answer and that\'s perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed\nto move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so\nmuch enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not\n justified...\nPlease refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is\nOK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with\nthe settings in the \'Fonts..." dialog box under the window control menu (that\nlittle square at the top left corner of the window..). \n\n\n-- \nCostas Malamas ____________________________________________________________\nGeorgia Institute of Technology \nOIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT\'s... \nInternet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: New Member\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <C5HIEw.7s1@portal.hq.videocart.com>,\ndfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) wrote:\n> He is right. Just because an event was explained by a human to have been\n> done "in the name of religion", does not mean that it actually followed\n> the religion. He will always point to the "ideal" and say that it wasn\'t\n> followed so it can\'t be the reason for the event. There really is no way\n> to argue with him, so why bother. Sure, you may get upset because his \n> answer is blind and not supported factually - but he will win every time\n> with his little argument. I don\'t think there will be any postings from\n> me in direct response to one of his.\n\nHey! Glad to have some serious and constructive contributors in this\nnewsgroup. I agree 100% on the statement above, you might argue with\nBobby for eons, and he still does not get it, so the best thing is\nto spare your mental resources to discuss more interesting issues.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n',
'From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nNntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org\nOrganization: The MITRE Corporation\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <C5Jzsz.Jzo@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes:\n>ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:\n>\n>>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn\'t the Fifth\n>>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating?\n>[From Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>, posted with permission - Carl]\n\n>No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it\n>happens, evidence that will convict you is stored. \n>\n>The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn\'t come up yet, but current law\n>suggests that it\'s a loser for the defendant--he\'ll be compelled to turn\n>over the key.\n>\n>The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to \n>be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example\n>I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can\n>be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum).\n\n>Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto\n>key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact\n>of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they\n>can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against\n>you.\n>--Mike\n\n Lets carry this one step further. Suppose the text of the key is\nin itself conclusive evidence of the SAME CRIME for which the\nencrypted material is further evidence. I find myself envisaging a\nscenario like this:\n\nYou have made some scans of Peanuts strips. You encrypt them. The key\nis a phrase.\n\nThe Comic Police haul you in. They seize your system. They find the\nencrypted file.\n\nCP: "Whats that file?"\n\nYou: "I take the fifth."\n\nCP: "What\'s the keyphrase to that file?" \n\nYou: "I take the fifth."\n\nJudge: "You have to reveal the keyphrase" [I disagree, but I\'m not a judge.]\n\nYou: "Your Honor, revealing the keyphrase, in it\'s own right, would \n\ttend to incriminate me of breaking laws, independent of what \n\tmay or may not be in the encrypted file." \n\nJudge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key\n\titself"\n\nYou: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright; \n\tthe file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of \n copyrighted Peanuts strips.""\n\nJudge and CP: "Oh."\n\n How will they get you now? I\'m not saying that they won\'t, or\ncan\'t (or even that they shouldn\'t :-), but what legal mechanism will\nthey use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPeter Trei\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tptrei@mitre.org\n\n',
'From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)\nSubject: Re: Religion and history; The real discuss\nOrganization: N.I.C.E.\nLines: 38\nReply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.82\n\nMatthew Huntbach writes:\nsm[?]>a real Christian unless you\'re born again is a very fundamental biblical\nsm[?]>conversion and regeneration are \'probably\' part of some small USA-based cult\n\n>the "born-again" tag often use it to mean very specifically\n>having undergone some sort of ecstatic experience (which can in\n>fact be very easily manufactured with a little psychological manipulation),\n>and are often insultingly dismissive of those whose\n>Christianity is a little more intellectual, is not the result\n\nSome of these "cults", which seems like a rather dismissive term\nto me, are pretty big here in the USA. Most of them\nare quite respectable & neiborly & do not resemble Branch Davidians\nin the least; confusing them is a mistake. What about "live &\nlet live", folks? I\'m sure we can uncover a few extremist loonies\nwho are Catholic -- the anti-abortion movement in the USA seems to have a\nfew hard cases in it, for example.\n\n>I\'ve often heard such people use the line "Catholics aren\'t\n>real Christians". Indeed, anyone sending "missionaries" to\n>Ireland must certainly be taking this line, for otherwise why\n>would they not be content for Christianity to be maintained in\n>Ireland in its traditional Catholic form?\n\nI have to agree Matthew with this; I have certainly encountered a lot\nof anti-Catholic-religion propaganda & emotion (& some bigotry) from\nmembers of certain religious groups here. They also practice their\nmissionary work with zeal among Catholics in the United States, but to\nsomeone who is or was raised Catholic such rhetoric is pretty\noff-putting. It may work better in an environment where there\'s a lot\nof popular anti-clericalism.\n\nFollow-ups set elsewhere, this no longer seems very relevant to Celtic issues\nto me.\n-- \n\n\n\n',
'From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:\n>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:\n[...]\n>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we\n>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or\n>>how long it would take me to push my horn button??\n>\n[...]\n>\n>The answer is 161.33 feet.\n>\n>---\n>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,\n[...]\n\nTry something like 24.2 feet. \n\nEdGetACalculator\n\n\n\n-----\nTommy McGuire\nmcguire@cs.utexas.edu\nmcguire@austin.ibm.com\n\n"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,\nidentifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."\n\n',
'From: sml@rpsyc.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Nottingham University\nLines: 60\n\nIn article <May.2.09.51.49.1993.11841@geneva.rutgers.edu>, you wrote:\n\n> The genius of science is that it discovered that enormous progress \n> in knowledge could be made by isolating the study of physical \n> interactions for the more general areas of study and proceeding\n> not by logical argument but by experiment. The scientific method\n> is hypothesize, attempt to disprove the hypothesis, if you fail, \n> publish, if others fail to disprove your hypothesis, accept it\n> as a working theory and move on. This method is suitable only\n> for the study of objects without will, objects which do not\n> take an interest in the experiment.\n\nScience does not progress via experimentation but by philosophising. One\naim of experiments is to investigate the validity of the hyptheses\nresulting from the models produced by this thinking process.\n\n> The arrogance of science is the assumption many advocates of \n> science make that the scientific method is the only method of\n> serious study, the only one leading to knowledge rather than\n> belief. \n\nScience has one advantage of all other approaches to explaining the world.\nIt is objective.\n\n> Its further arrogance, is the assumption which arises\n> that, since science is the only valid method of thought, everything\n> which exists must be the sort of thing which the scientific \n> method can study, and that if the scientific method cannot \n> study it it either does not exist or cannot in any way be known.\n\nAnything which affects the physical world can be studied. For example,\nsince we are part of the physical world, anything (including spirits) which\naffects our behaviour can be observed. Science does not make any claims\nabout the existence or non-existence of objects which do not affect the\nphysical world.\n\n> Since these asumptions about the nature of the world cannot\n> themselves be made the subject of experiment, it is bad science\n> to believe them, as well as arrogance, illogic, and just plain\n> sloppy thinking.\n\nThe purpose of science is to produce a model of the *physical* world. The\nmodel must be able to explain all past observations and predict the outcome\nof future observations. One of the aims of experiments is to carry out\nwell defined observations which are objective.\n\nIdeally scientist will except the model which best describes the world, and\nthe model which realises on the minimal number of assumptions. At the\nmoment models which do not rely on the assumption of some *spiritual* world\nexisting are equally powerful to ones which assume the assumption of a\n*spiritual* world. As the non-spiritual models has fewer assumptions it\nshould be the currently accepted models.\n\nThe scientific process never assumes that its present models are the\ncorrect ones, whereas many religions claim to represent the truth. The\narrogance of many theists is that they claim to represent the truth, this\ncannot be said of scientists.\n\nSteve Lang\nSLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK\n',
"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it\nOriginator: rja@mahogany126\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126\nOrganization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!\nDistribution: usa\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:\n> > \n> > In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n> >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for\n> >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.\n> >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)\n> >> \n> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except\n> >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that\n> >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to\n> >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.\n> >> \n> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the\n> >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.\n> > \n> > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening \n> > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that\n> > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.\n> \n> It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?\n\nWho compared Quayle to Gore? Mark said he had never heard of any incident\nin which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before. I mentioned\nanother incident. (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would\nhave heard of the Quayle incident.)\n\nIf I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd.\n\n> I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.\n> dan-quayle! Begone!\n\n-- \nRuss Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect\n------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993\nEX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)\n",
'From: phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut)\nSubject: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F\nKeywords: SCSI\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen\nLines: 27\n\nHi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer\nconfiguration is :\n\n486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz)\n16MB Ram\nST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI\nUltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller\n\nWhen I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer\nabout 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought\nthat with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec. \nSomewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host \nadapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk \nperformance in that system, do I need that ?\nA guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and\na ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ?\n\nIs there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ?\n\n\n Thanks.\n\nphantom@diku.dk (e-mail is preffered)\n\n\n\nWorking on a sign...... "Are we live or on tape ??"\n',
"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n#The better question should be.\n#Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding\n#to support these kind of ongoing science missions.\n\nSince we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will\nchanging them to a seperate agency help anything?\n\n--\n-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia\n USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA\n Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu \n UUCP:\t\t...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w\n",
"From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)\nSubject: Mouse Jumpiness Solved!\nNntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com\nReply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com\nOrganization: AT&T Tridom\nLines: 24\n\nCan't guarantee that it'll work for everyone, but I finally fixed my mouse\njumpiness problems: I installed a bus mouse. (Sorry, I didn't say the solution\nwas free.) In the past I'd tried everything with my Microsoft serial mouse.\n(Cleaning it, unloading all kinds of TSRs, turning off SMARTDRV write\ncacheing, changing COM ports, ...) Nothing worked. Yesterday I finally broke\ndown and bought a Mouse Systems Bus Mouse. The improvement is even better\nthan I had imagined! So much so that my old mouse must have been jumpy\nall the time (I just thought it was jumpy sometimes), and I had gotten so\nused to it I didn't notice. My wife, who uses the computer about once a\nmonth, noticed the improvement literally within a second!\n\nI can't say anything about other bus mice, but with the Mouse Systems\none you'll have to give up either COM2 or LPT2 to an IRQ. Also, if you\ndon't know, Mouse Systems mice have three buttons. The driver includes\na utility that lets you assign keystrokes to the middle button.\n\nHope this helps someone else. If you're anywhere near as frustrated as I\nwas, it's well worth the $80.\n\n---\n\nStephen Thomas AT&T Tridom (404-514-3522)\nemail: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat\n\n",
'From: v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION)\nSubject: Re: Who\'s next? Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 24\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...\n>In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:\n>>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is\n>>next? The Mormons or Jews?\n> \n>The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a\n>propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I\'m not particularly\n>concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?)\n> \n>Be thankful that the BATF standoff at least got some of the kids out before\n>the cult committed mass suicide.\n> \n\n\tDont you believe that the Branch Davidians committed suicide for one\nminute. I would not put it past the FBI to lob in some incendiary grenades\nwhile they feed your their story. Don\'t ever ever trust what your wonderful\ngovernment tells you. Janet Reno and the FBI have the murder of a hundred\npeople on their hands. Hope they can sleep at night....\n\nP.Vasilion, kb2nmv\nSUNY @ BUFFALO\n<<STD.DISCLAIMERS>>\n\n"All you cult haters happy now? Just hope that your not next."\n',
'From: Mehrtens_T@msm.cdx.mot.com\nSubject: Re: How many read sci.space?\nNntp-Posting-Host: tom_mac.prds.cdx.mot.com\nOrganization: Motorola_Codex\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1qkmkiINNep3@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug\nMohney) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com>,\npyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes:\n>>\n>>There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh\nyeah,\n>>this isn\'t my real name, I\'m a bald headed space baby.\n>\n>Damn! So it was YOU who was drinking beer with ROBERT McELWANE in the PARKING\n>LOT of the K-MART!\n> Software engineering? That\'s like military intelligence, isn\'t it?\n> -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < --\n\nThey just tore down the Kmart near my house (putting in a new suptermarket). I\nheard that there is a beer drinking ghost who still haunts the place! 8-{)\n\nTom\n\nI liked this one I read a while ago...\n\n"Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma\nradiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon." As if we wouldn\'t notice...\n\n\n',
"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 6\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n For that matter, it shouldn't be that difficult to design a black box\nthat gives off EMR similar to a monitor with gibberish on the screen....\n\n\n\n\n",
"From: kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Kai Howells)\nSubject: Re: HOT NEW 3D Software\nOrganization: University of Tasmania (Australia)\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1qflpk$re1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael B.\nComet) wrote:\n> \n> \n> In a previous article, trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell) says:\n> \n> >There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called\n> >IMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its\n> >\n> \tWell....I don't know about its competing with 3D studio, but\n> it's pretty powerful allright.\n\nYes but a key issue is _SPEED_ how fast is Imagine? And is it as easy to\nuse\nas 3D Studio? Can it just do a render as fast as 3DS if you don't want\nthings like IOR etc.. 3DS can do fine shadows, animated reflection maps,\nanimated bump maps, animated anything maps, and with the IPAS routines \n(Not that I've ever seen them) It can do explosions, top quality\nmorphing, fire, rain, lens flares etc..\nI'm not knocking imagine, I just want to know how it compares with 3DS\n",
'From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.113953.18879@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes:\n>>>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to\n>>>being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains\n>>>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A\'s during the\n>>>season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C\n>>>for the Pens.\n>>\n>\n>I think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he\n>got traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn\'t Rick Vaive the captain of\n>the Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for\n>Ed Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that\n>Darryl Sittler was their captain (he\'d torn the "C" off his\n>jersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he\n>was traded to the Flyers.\n>\n>Oh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before\n>he was traded wasn\'t he? \n\nDale Hawerchuk and Troy Murray were both captains of the Jets\nwhen they were traded. (Murray this year in mid-season, Hawerchuk\na few years ago in the off-season.)\n\nDaryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets \nInternet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca \nFidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)\nTkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! \nThe Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!\nEssensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!\n',
'From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)\nSubject: Re: "Beer" unto bicyclists\nOrganization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil\n\nIn article <31MAR199308594057@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan\nD. Reid) wrote:\n> \n> In article <tcora-250393111517@b329-gator-1.pica.army.mil>,\n> \t tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes...\n> >mxcrew@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (The MX-Crew) wrote:\n> >> just an information (no flame war please): Budweiser is a beer from the\n> >> old CSFR (nowadays ?Tschechien? [i just know the german word]).\n> \n> >Czechoslovakia. Budweiser Budwar (pronounced bud-var).\n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> \tNot any more, a short while ago (Jan 1st?) it split into The Czech\n> Republic and Slovakia. Actually, I think for a couple of years its official\n> name was "The Czech and Slovak Republics". Sheesh! Don\'t you guys get CNN??\n\nCNN=YuppieTV\n\n tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil\n \n "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,\ndifficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-\nboggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."\n --gene spafford, 1992\n',
'From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin)\nSubject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20\nOrganization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ\nSummary: Totally Unbiased Magazine\nLines: 134\n\nIn article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM>, arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:\n> \n> NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993\n> \n> Not because you were too busy but because\n> Israelists in the US media spiked it.\n> \n> ................\n> \n> \n> THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS\n> \n> \n> Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip \n> during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the \n> Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday.\n> \n> The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of\n> the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for\n> Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and\n> occupied West Bank.\n> \n> Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked\n> soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.\'\' When the girls fled, \n> the soldiers threw empty bottles at them.\n> \n> On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their\n> pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents \n> are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school.\n> \n> The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth\n> escaped from them at a boys\' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur \n> Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them \n> against a wall, and put their arms around them.\n> \n> When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat\n> him with the butts of their rifles.\n> \n> On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising\n> Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the \n> soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the \n> beating.\n> \n> On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded\n> him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As\n> the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued\n> dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening.\n> \n> The army said it was checking the reports.\n> \n> ....................\n> \n> \n> ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM\n> \n> Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday \n> to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper.\n> \n> Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in\n> prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after\n> soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter.\n> \n> ``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy\n> Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,\'\' said Father\n> George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish.\n> \n> Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of\n> Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank\n> and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre.\n> \n> Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation\n> of requesting permits to reach holy sites.\n> \n> Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement\n> to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian\n> celebrations.\n> \n> ``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption.\n> But we cannot reach our holiest sites,\'\' he said.\n> \n> An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf\'s speech, demanding to see his\n> identity card before ordering the crowd to leave.\n> \n> ...................\n> \n> \n> \n> If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel\'s best friend email and \n> let him know what you think.\n> \n> \n> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe)\n> clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online)\n> clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail)\n> \n> \n> Tell \'em ARF sent ya.\n> \n> ..................................\n> \n> If you are tired of "learning" about American foreign policy from what is \n> effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the \n> Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American \n> Education Trust at:\n> (800) 368 5788\n> \n> Tell \'em arf sent you.\n> \n> js\n> \n> \n> \n\nI took your advice and ordered a copy of the Washinton Report. I\nheartily recommend it to all pro-Israel types for the following \nreasons:\n\n1. It is an excellent absorber of excrement. I use it to line\n the bottom of my parakeet\'s cage. A negative side effect is\n that my bird now has a somewhat warped view of the mideast.\n\n2. It makes a great April Fool\'s joke, i.e., give it to someone\n who knows nothing about the middle east and then say "April\n Fools".\n\nAnyway, I plan to call them up every month just to keep getting\nthose free sample magazines (you know how cheap we Jews are).\n\nBTW, when you call them, tell \'em barf sent you.\n\nJust Kidding,\n\nBen.\n\n',
'From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee)\nSubject: Wire-Amperage table needed\nOrganization: San Diego State University Computing Services\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\n\nDoes anyone has a table about the size of the wire to the amount of current it can carry. Probably in the 1-15amp range. My friend is interested in converting a Mazda into an electric car. Needed information for estimation. Thanks in advance. \n\np.s. any info on electric will be greatly appreaciated. \n\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Historical and Traditional Armenian Barbarism and Fascism.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 28\n\nSource: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill\nCompany, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). \n(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 \n million Muslim people)\n\n\np. 204 (first paragraph).\n\n"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of\n a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make\n my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy\n that had been enacted. Guided by the child\'s crying, I entered the yard of\n a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a\n Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her\n throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a\n year old."\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)\nSubject: Re: Integra GSR\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 21\n\n>\n>Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,\n>then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect\n> (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine\n> wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,\n>and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak\n>from expierence!)\n>I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you\n>comparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a\n\na couple of things: blowing a hose doesn't speak of engine reliability, and \nwhile it is true that quad4's have a problem with head gasket leaks, that was\na design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected. also i know pontiac is\nreplacing head gaskets that leak for free for 6year/60k miles. other than\nthat i have found my quad4 to be completely solid and the direct ignition \nsystem means no wires/rotor/rotor-cap to ever deal with. also hydrolic lifters\nmean no valve adjustments ever. i'm not badmouthing the integra engine, i just\nthink you are going overboard on slamming the quad4. you are quite correct\nthat the integra engine is quieter, although i would not say smoother, my\nquad4 loves to rev, especially at the high-end. do you have any evidence\nof blocks cracking on quad4s? i have not heard of this.\n",
'From: ddeciacco@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Deciacco)\nSubject: Re: Another CVIEW question (wa\nReply-To: ddeciacco@cix.compulink.co.uk\nLines: 5\n\n\nIn-Reply-To: <20APR199312262902@rigel.tamu.edu> lmp8913@rigel.tamu.edu (PRESTON, LISA M)\n\nI have a trident card and fullview works real gif jpg try it#\ndave\n',
'From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Cell Church discussion group\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 5\n\nThen by that definition, I would be in a cell church only here at IU,\nnot when the whole group gets together at Indianapolis (>950 every week\nin attendance).\n\nJoe Fisher\n',
'From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We\'re Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nDistribution: na\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <C4tsHu.Ew6@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n\n>\n>What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate? What do you think gun\n>control advocates are saying: that if we get rid of all handguns we will\n>live in a homicide-free world?\n\nThey sure make it sound like that.\n\n>\n>The issue is guns, not baseball bats. Even a simpleton knows that\n>he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat...\n>certainly of outrunning a bat-wielding assailant.\n>\n\nEven a simpleton knows a baseball bat is considered a deadly weapon. \nIf one cannot run away (e.g. old, infirm, even middle-aged if the\nassailant is younger), a handgun is the most effective means of\ndefense. You won\'t even have to fire a shot 98% of the time.\n\n>As for knives, see my earlier post. I\'d much rather face a knife\n>than a gun, thanks. Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn\'t\n>another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won\'t have\n>much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife\n>assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants).\n\nAny real streetfighter (and there are LOTS of them), with or without a\nknife, will kick the living sh** out of most people "trained in\nunarmed self defense". For the majority of people, a gun is the most\neffective form of self defense.\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n\n',
'From: dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org (Mark Dotson)\nSubject: Fragmentation\nOrganization: Dayton Microcomputer Association; Dayton, Ohio\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 49\n\n\nThe primary problem in human nature is a "fragmentation of being."\nHumans are in a state of tension, a tension of opposites. Good and\nevil are the most thought provoking polarities that come to mind.\n\nThe Bible provides us with many examples of the fragmentation of\nbeing. The warring opposites within us are a product of man\'s\nrebellion against God, which is described so vividly in the pages of\nthe Scriptures.\n\nMan was created with the order to become a god. Those were the words\nof St. Basil in the fourth century. What he was trying to say was\nthat God created man to be a partaker of the divine nature. In the\nEastern Orthodox Church, this is called "theosis," or "deification."\n\nOne can also say that man was created to be whole, i.e. spirit, soul,\nand body operating in unison. The story of Adam and Eve is a picture\nof the archetypal humans before obtaining moral consciousness. Theirs\nwas a harmonious relationship with each other, the world, and the\nCreator. That innocent harmony was shattered when they disobeyed God,\ntheir natural wholeness falling apart into two seemingly\nirreconcilable halves. Immediately, guilt and fear was manifested in\ntheir lives. They become bound to hardship, toil, and suffering. This\nis symbolized in their exile from the paradisiac state.\n\nThe beast in the jungle does not possess moral consciousness. If it\nwere to receive this self-awareness, the knowledge of good and evil,\nits paradisiac state would also be destroyed.\n\nWas it the intention of the Creator to leave man in this state of\ninnocence all the days of his existence on earth? Or was the gaining\nof self-awareness carefully staged by God, who did not desire that His\nmasterpiece, mankind, be a blissful idiot?\n\nGod must have known that, for mankind to achieve any kind of moral\nvalue, he must pass through a confrontation with the opposites. There\nis no other way to achieve union with God.\n\nJesus Christ is the answer to the problem of the warring polarities.\nHe was the perfectly integrated individual, reconciling the opposites,\nand making it possible for us to be integrated, i.e. to become God,\nnot in His essence, but in His energies.\n\nThe opposites is THE Christian problem. The Apostle Paul describes it\nwith the utmost precision in Romans 7:15-24. And he follows with the\nanswer to his dilemma in vs 25.\n\n Mark\n\n',
'From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: Pixmaps, Masks, & Icons - Clues?\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 40\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nIn article <44975@sophia.inria.fr>, lehors@koala.inria.fr (Arnaud Le_Hors) writes:\n|> In article <BUZZ.93Mar31093626@lion.bear.com>, buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti)\n|> writes:\n|> > This is a simple X graphics question:\n|> > \n|> > Assume you have a valid Window w, an icon pixmap, and the background\n|> > mask (also a pixmap) for that icon. You wish to place the icon at (x,y)\n|> > in w *without* the background.\n|> > \n|> > Question: What combination of XCopyArea() and GC functions are necessary?\n|> > I think the idea is to "merge only those pixels of pixmap into w as\n|> > indicated by the corresponding mask pixel value." Specifically, the\n|> > problem involves a pixmap and mask generated by the XPM libs.\n|> > \n|> > Any clues would be most appreciated.\n|> \n|> \n|> Xpm provides you with symbolic color names which can be specified at load time.\n|> So, for doing what you want I would suggest you to define a Background symbol\n|> in your pixmap file which you\'ll set to whatever color is used by the widget or\n|> the window on which you want to put your pixmap. \n|> This would surely be the simplest and fastest way to do what you want. \n\nNo. As soon as you blit two of this icons once on top of the other with a\nlittle dislocation, you see the rectangular blit crashes too much of the\nicon first blitted, because it draws a full rectangle. The way to do it\nis masking: Create a bitmap with all pixels to be merged are 1 and all\nnot to be merged are 0. Then, set the clip_mask of the gc to this\nbitmap, set the clip_x_origin and clip_y_origin of the gc to the x/y\ncoordinates where you blit the icon to the destination drawable, use GXCopy,\nand XCopyArea() the icon pixmap to the destination drawable using this gc.\n\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o | \\\\\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |\n| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |\n| o | Andre\' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n',
"From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)\nSubject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nKeywords: catv cable television tvi\nArticle-I.D.: tvnews.1993Apr15.193218.13070\nOrganization: Tektronix TV Products\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <VL812B2w165w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca> jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) writes:\n>What happens when DVC (Digital Videon Compression) is introduced next \n>year and instead of just receiving squiggly lines on 2 or 3 channels \n>we'll be receiving sqigglies on, let's see 3*10 = 30 channels eventually.\n\nSince the digital transmission schemes include error correction and\nconcealment, the performance remains about the same down to a very low\ncarrier-to-noise ratio, below which it degrades very quickly. Hence,\ndigitally compressed TV is supposed to be less susceptible to interference\nthan amplitude modulated TV.\n\n-- \nBill McFadden Tektronix, Inc. P.O. Box 500 MS 58-639 Beaverton, OR 97077\nbill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill Phone: (503) 627-6920\nHow can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?\n",
'From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)\nSubject: Re: HR 1276 ("A gun law I can live with!" :-)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 27\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\ncdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:\n\n>> A BILL \n>> \n>> To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and\n>> to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and\n>> to provide for the enforcement of such right.\n\n>Maybe I\'m too "religious," but when I see a bill to "establish a right,"\n>I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away.\n>-- \n\n>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n\nI don\'t think your objection is beyond the bounds of rationality. The\nright mentioned in the bill is already established under the Second\nAmendment; the bill should be reworded to reaffirm the Second Amendment\nRKBA, and then establish the procedures for redress through the federal\ncourt system.\n\nThe right already exists and is already embodied in our Constitution.\n\naaron\narc@cco.caltech.edu\n',
'From: Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu (Steve Teolis)\nSubject: Re: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE ***\nOrganization: Wayne State University\nLines: 38\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.75.24\n\n>TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with:\n> 1 Controller\n> AC Adapter\n> Antenna hookup\n> * Games:\n> Kieth Courage\n> Victory Run\n> Fantasy Zone\n> Military Madness\n> Battle Royal\n> Legendary Axe\n> Blazing Lasers\n> Bloody Wolf\n>\n> --------------------------------------\n>* Will sell games separatley at $25 each\n> --------------------------------------\n\nYour kidding, $210.00, man o man, you can buy the system new for $49.00 at \nElectronic Boutique and those games are only about $15 - $20.00 brand new. \nMaybe you should think about that price again if you REALLY need the money.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \n \n -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n Wayne State University \n \n Steve Teolis \n 6050 Cass Ave. # 238 \n Detroit, MI 48202 \n \n Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu \n -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n',
"From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research?\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <221@ky3b.UUCP>, km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:\n> As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous\n> is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case.\n> When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual.\n> \n> This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on\n> pediatrics.... Pediatrics for me was three solid\n> months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam!\n> \n> I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly\n> exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later\n> on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us,\n> so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. \n\nThis is also commonly seen in new teachers. The first few years, they're\nsick a lot, but gradually seem to build up immunities to almost everything\ncommon. Come to think of it, I was about my healthiest when I was\nworking in a pathogens lab, exposed to who-knows-what all the time. Pre-OSHA,\nof course.\n\nKay Klier Biology Dept UNI\n \n",
'From: scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg (SARDJONO INSANI)\nSubject: Connecting Apple Laserwriter II to IBM PC\nOrganization: National University of Singapore\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 11\n\n\nHas anyone tried connecting an Apple Laserwriter II to a PC?\nDo I need any special controller card or software to do that?\n\nThanks for any comments.\n\n--\n========================\nSardjono Insani\nscip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg\n========================\n',
'From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco)\nSubject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me.\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <Apr.11.01.02.39.1993.17790@athos.rutgers.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n\n> Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically\n>removing the physical "proofs" of God\'s existence. As time goes on we have to\n>rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase\n>science is removing our props. I don\'t think this is a bad thing.\n>\n\tFirst of all, I resent your assumption that you know why I\nam threatened by science, or even that I am threatened at all,\nalthough I admit the latter. The reason I am threatened by Science\nhas nothing to do with my need for proof of my Lord\'s existence--\nGod reveals Himself in many ways, including, to some degree,\nScience.\n\n\tMy problem with Science is that often it allows us to\nassume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us\nwith the ability to produce life through sexual relations,\nfor example, but He did not make that availible to everyone.\nDoes that mean that if Science can over-ride God\'s decision\nthrough alterations, that God wills for us to have the power\nto decide who should and should not be able to have \nchildren? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that\nis made possible.\n\n\tPeople have always had the ability to end lives\nunnaturally, and soon may have the ability to bring lives\ninto the world unnaturally. The closest thing to artificially\ncreated life is artificially created death, and as God\nhas reserved judgement about when people should die to\nHimself, I believe we should rely on God\'s wisdom about how\npeople should be brought in to the world.\n\n\tThis is not to say that I reject all forms of\nmedical treatment, however. Treatment that alleviates\npain, or prevents pain from occuring, is perfectly\nacceptable, I believe, as it was acceptable for Jesus\nto cure the sick. However, treatment that merely \nprolongs life for no reason, or makes unnecessary \nalterations to the body for mere aesthetic purposes, \ngo too far. Are we not happy with the beauty God\ngave us?\n\n\tI cannot draw a solid line regarding where I\nwould approve of Scientific study, and where I would not,\nbut I will say this: Before one experiments with the\nuniverse to find out all its secrets, one should ask\nwhy they want this knowledge. Before one alters the body\nthey have been given, they should ask themseles why their\nbody is not satisfactory too them as it is. I cannot\nmake any general rules that will cover all the cases, but\nI will say that each person should pray for guidance\nwhen trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and\nshould cease their unravelling if they have reason to \nbelieve their search is displeasing to God.\n\n\t\t\t---Malcusco\n',
'From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)\nSubject: AL OPI through first week+\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 186\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nHere is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all AL players with at\nleast 10 at bats.\n\nIt is early in the season so there are some very high numbers. Last years\nleader was Frank Thomas at 0.682.\n\nTeams are denoted by an * as the first character of the name and each\nplayer has his team preceeding his name.\n\nThe equations used are found at the end of the post.\n\nComments and suggestions are welcome.\n\nKevin\n\nLeague OPI: 0.448\nLeague BA: 0.268\nLeague SLG: 0.405\nLeague OBA: 0.341\n\nRank Player OPI BA SLG OBA\n-----------------------------------------------------\n1 Tor,carter 2.142 0.583 1.417 0.615\n2 Cle,baerga 1.432 0.520 1.040 0.538\n3 Det,phillips 1.334 0.565 0.609 0.655\n4 Oak,mcgwire 1.147 0.364 0.636 0.632\n5 Tor,white 1.065 0.500 0.650 0.545\n6 Bal,anderson 0.951 0.423 0.692 0.500\n7 NYY,owen 0.934 0.500 0.577 0.567\n8 Oak,rhenderson 0.911 0.391 0.565 0.533\n9 Mil,thon 0.804 0.476 0.619 0.476\n10 Oak,browne 0.800 0.476 0.476 0.522\n11 Tex,palmer 0.781 0.333 0.875 0.333\n11 Det,gibson 0.781 0.312 0.562 0.500\n13 Cle,howard 0.755 0.455 0.727 0.455\n14 NYY,tartabull 0.742 0.296 0.667 0.424\n15 Tex,rodriguez 0.736 0.429 0.500 0.529\n15 Tex,gonzalez 0.736 0.261 0.913 0.292\n17 Bos,zupcic 0.728 0.400 0.500 0.455\n18 Sea,felder 0.723 0.357 0.429 0.471\n19 Oak,blankenship 0.722 0.333 0.333 0.524\n20 Min,puckett 0.717 0.280 0.720 0.379\n21 NYY,oneill 0.710 0.435 0.609 0.458\n22 Cle,belle 0.703 0.348 0.696 0.375\n23 Sea,buhner 0.699 0.294 0.471 0.478\n24 Mil,hamilton 0.682 0.458 0.458 0.500\n25 Det,whitaker 0.680 0.312 0.500 0.421\n26 Det,fielder 0.666 0.273 0.591 0.407\n27 Tor,sprague 0.649 0.300 0.750 0.300\n28 Whi,cora 0.646 0.350 0.500 0.458\n29 Whi,raines 0.641 0.250 0.750 0.308\n30 NYY,kelly 0.625 0.348 0.565 0.375\n31 Bos,quintana 0.617 0.455 0.455 0.455\n32 Sea,tmartinez 0.612 0.211 0.632 0.348\n32 Cal,gonzales 0.612 0.250 0.250 0.478\n34 Whi,burks 0.609 0.348 0.565 0.375\n35 Cal,snow 0.602 0.368 0.526 0.400\n36 Whi,karkovice 0.598 0.167 0.417 0.412\n37 *Cleveland 0.595 0.340 0.549 0.377\n38 Cle,sorrento 0.594 0.273 0.727 0.273\n39 Sea,amaral 0.587 0.368 0.579 0.429\n39 Bos,cooper 0.587 0.375 0.458 0.423\n41 Min,winfield 0.578 0.292 0.667 0.292\n42 Cal,curtis 0.571 0.333 0.381 0.417\n43 Bos,mvaughn 0.566 0.316 0.526 0.350\n44 Oak,steinbach 0.556 0.333 0.542 0.385\n45 *Oakland 0.555 0.298 0.439 0.406\n46 NYY,maas 0.547 0.333 0.389 0.429\n47 Kan,joyner 0.546 0.300 0.400 0.417\n48 Min,knoblauch 0.535 0.304 0.348 0.448\n49 Bos,greenwell 0.534 0.261 0.478 0.370\n50 Oak,brosius 0.532 0.273 0.545 0.333\n51 Tor,olerud 0.530 0.333 0.400 0.412\n52 Bal,mercedes 0.529 0.286 0.429 0.412\n53 *NYYankees 0.527 0.321 0.468 0.377\n54 Bal,hoiles 0.525 0.263 0.526 0.333\n55 Mil,kmak 0.523 0.286 0.286 0.412\n56 Oak,dhenderson 0.517 0.231 0.462 0.412\n57 Cle,lofton 0.515 0.346 0.385 0.370\n58 Min,larkin 0.514 0.357 0.500 0.400\n59 Bos,dawson 0.504 0.333 0.458 0.360\n60 Cle,camartinez 0.503 0.333 0.389 0.400\n61 Det,gladden 0.498 0.312 0.500 0.312\n62 Cal,polonia 0.494 0.292 0.500 0.320\n63 *California 0.487 0.295 0.404 0.364\n64 *Detroit 0.484 0.260 0.410 0.357\n65 Det,tettleton 0.475 0.211 0.421 0.348\n66 Cal,disarcina 0.473 0.304 0.478 0.304\n67 Cal,easley 0.472 0.304 0.435 0.333\n68 Bal,baines 0.470 0.300 0.400 0.364\n69 Tex,franco 0.469 0.300 0.350 0.391\n70 Whi,ljohnson 0.464 0.280 0.400 0.333\n71 Sea,vizquel 0.463 0.222 0.222 0.417\n72 NYY,bwilliams 0.461 0.294 0.471 0.314\n73 Mil,gvaughn 0.460 0.222 0.389 0.391\n74 Min,hrbek 0.458 0.240 0.360 0.367\n75 Bal,cripken 0.451 0.333 0.407 0.379\n75 *Seattle 0.451 0.237 0.367 0.361\n77 Cal,salmon 0.448 0.267 0.267 0.450\n78 Kan,mcreynolds 0.447 0.182 0.500 0.280\n79 *Toronto 0.443 0.261 0.430 0.318\n79 *Texas 0.443 0.237 0.489 0.289\n81 Min,pagliarulo 0.439 0.286 0.429 0.333\n82 *WhiteSox 0.432 0.243 0.378 0.336\n83 Kan,hiatt 0.431 0.278 0.500 0.316\n84 Whi,guillen 0.426 0.263 0.263 0.364\n85 Whi,thomas 0.419 0.259 0.333 0.355\n86 Kan,mcrae 0.414 0.296 0.333 0.345\n87 *Boston 0.411 0.270 0.365 0.336\n88 Cle,hill 0.410 0.300 0.500 0.300\n89 NYY,mattingly 0.400 0.324 0.353 0.343\n90 *Baltimore 0.394 0.251 0.361 0.315\n91 Bal,gomez 0.382 0.316 0.316 0.350\n91 *Minnesota 0.382 0.237 0.379 0.298\n93 Whi,fisk 0.381 0.273 0.545 0.273\n94 Cle,jefferson 0.379 0.263 0.316 0.333\n95 Oak,neel 0.370 0.188 0.500 0.188\n96 Cal,cdavis 0.369 0.211 0.421 0.250\n97 Bos,fletcher 0.364 0.217 0.391 0.280\n98 *Milwaukee 0.361 0.257 0.293 0.333\n99 Det,livingstone 0.360 0.250 0.438 0.294\n100 Tor,ralomar 0.354 0.263 0.316 0.333\n101 *KansasCity 0.343 0.236 0.327 0.291\n102 Oak,bordick 0.339 0.200 0.250 0.304\n103 Tex,canseco 0.337 0.190 0.381 0.261\n104 Sea,valle 0.336 0.250 0.312 0.294\n105 Bal,devereaux 0.329 0.207 0.379 0.233\n106 Kan,lind 0.323 0.188 0.438 0.188\n107 Mil,surhoff 0.312 0.227 0.273 0.292\n107 Kan,brett 0.312 0.259 0.296 0.286\n109 Whi,bell 0.310 0.207 0.310 0.258\n110 Cle,salomar 0.306 0.200 0.200 0.304\n111 Mil,jaha 0.304 0.267 0.267 0.353\n111 Det,fryman 0.304 0.185 0.296 0.214\n113 NYY,boggs 0.296 0.200 0.233 0.294\n114 Tex,bripken 0.290 0.250 0.333 0.308\n115 Min,mack 0.289 0.233 0.333 0.258\n116 Min,harper 0.288 0.280 0.280 0.280\n117 Cle,fermin 0.284 0.200 0.200 0.304\n118 Bos,rivera 0.276 0.118 0.176 0.286\n119 Mil,spiers 0.275 0.231 0.231 0.286\n120 Mil,yount 0.268 0.208 0.208 0.269\n121 Tor,schofield 0.265 0.133 0.267 0.235\n121 Tex,hulse 0.265 0.154 0.308 0.214\n123 Sea,griffey 0.261 0.105 0.263 0.261\n124 Sea,obrien 0.259 0.100 0.100 0.308\n124 Kan,macfarlane 0.259 0.273 0.273 0.333\n126 Oak,sierra 0.256 0.200 0.240 0.231\n127 Kan,jose 0.254 0.167 0.167 0.286\n128 Bos,hatcher 0.252 0.188 0.188 0.278\n129 Sea,blowers 0.251 0.200 0.200 0.273\n130 Whi,ventura 0.247 0.167 0.167 0.310\n130 Tex,palmeiro 0.247 0.130 0.261 0.167\n132 Bal,reynolds 0.227 0.118 0.118 0.250\n133 Kan,mayne 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231\n133 Cal,myers 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231\n135 NYY,nokes 0.219 0.150 0.300 0.150\n136 Bos,calderon 0.209 0.167 0.167 0.286\n137 Bos,pena 0.207 0.267 0.267 0.267\n138 Tor,molitor 0.194 0.150 0.200 0.190\n139 Det,deer 0.182 0.125 0.167 0.192\n140 Det,cuyler 0.179 0.077 0.154 0.143\n141 Tor,borders 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158\n142 Whi,grebeck 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182\n143 Bal,gdavis 0.137 0.111 0.148 0.143\n144 Tex,dascenzo 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091\n145 Min,leius 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154\n145 Mil,reimer 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154\n147 Tor,djackson 0.114 0.133 0.133 0.133\n148 Tex,gill 0.070 0.059 0.059 0.158\n149 Kan,gagne 0.042 0.095 0.095 0.095\n\n 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS)\nOPI = ----------------------------------------------------------------\n AB - H\n\nBA = H / AB\n\nSLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB\n\nOBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)\n-- \nJet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu\n4800 Oak Grove Dr. | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov\nM/S 525-3684 |\nPasadena, CA 91109 |\n',
"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <JER114@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: scanned grey to color equations?\nLines: 7\n\nA while back someone had several equations which could be used for changing 3 f\niltered grey scale images into one true color image. This is possible because\nit's the same theory used by most color scanners. I am not looking for the obv\nious solution which is to buy a color scanner but what I do need is those equat\nions becasue I am starting to write software which will automate the conversion\n process. I would really appreciate it if someone would repost the 3 equations\n/3 unknowns. Thanks for the help!!!\n",
'From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nOrganization: Department of Industrial Engineering\nLines: 19\n\nDAK988S@vma.smsu.edu said:\n\n>No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I\'ve never seen a guy who\n>can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league,\n>and he\'s still finding a way to lose. I\'ll be surprised if he makes it through\n>the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made.\n\nI\'m confused. How is it Hal McRae\'s fault that he can\'t win with a team \nwhose best offensive player is Phil Hiatt? I mean, let\'s be real. Kansas\nCity will have to get outstanding years from their entire staff just to end\nup near .500; they have less offense than any other team in baseball, even\nif you count the expansion teams.\n\n\n-- \n David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick \n member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning\n | And in Denver they call you a slugger?\n "The Big Catullus" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!?\n',
"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 15\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\n\n(Disclaimer: I'm a sufferer, not a doctor.)\n\nI'm not sure there's a really sharp distinction between allergic and\nvasomotor rhinitis. Basically, vasomotor rhinitis means your nose is\nstuffy when it has no reason to be (not even an identifiable allergy).\n\nDecongestants and steroid sprays work for vasomotor rhinitis. Also,\nI can get surprising relief from purely superficial measures such as\nsaline moisturizing spray and moisturizing gel.\n\n-- \n:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****\n:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********\n:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *\n:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><\n",
"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)\nSubject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:\n> \n> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since\n> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball\n> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.\n\nWhat, did you leave the room each of the 100 or so times they said that\nthere WERE NO OTHER NIGHT BASEBALL GAMES? Every break they took back at\nthe studio mentioned it, followed by 'so...we're gonna show you hockey\ninstead.' My wife and I are hoping for rain at every baseball game they\nhave a feed for tommorrow night...\n\nPoint is, be glad they showed hockey, but if baseball was available\nanywhere else you can bet you would've watched baseball last night.\n\npete clark\n",
"From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.)\nSubject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu\nKeywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception)\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu>, st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes...\n>I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz\n>68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously\n>a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the\n>systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for\n>the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works\n>fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer\n>of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm)\n>might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some\n>suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications\n>problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)?\n>Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought\n>that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). \n>Are there any MC68882RC33?\n> \n>Thanks\n>\tChristian \n> \n\nIt appears as if the problem is related to the 68882/50's need for very fast\n(and clean) signal transitions. I got some email (Vielen Dank, Thomas) stating\nthat Motorola provides a solution for this problem in their 68030 manual. \nSince my manual (1989) predates the 50 MHz 68030/68882s I couldn't find it.\nCould someone please email me the specifics?\n\t\tThanks\n\t\t\tChristian\n",
'From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB")\nSubject: Space Event near Los Angeles, CA\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 55\n\nApologies if this gets posted twice, but I don\'t think the first one\nmade it.\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290\n\n 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA\n\n LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A.\n ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD\n\n On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National \nSpace Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co-\ninventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D.\nWaldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science\nCenter in Thousand Oaks, CA.\n\n Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space\nMaterials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell\nInternational in Downey, California. He is a recognized world\nauthority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or\ncoauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial\nmaterials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David\nCriswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept.\n\n Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal\nexperts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build\nthe Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a\npotential to power the globe.\n\n For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half\nfrom California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific\nconcept of a solar power system based on the Moon.\n\n The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar\nsurface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted\nthrough orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous\nsource of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth\'s ever\nincreasing demand using proven, basic technology.\n\n OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space\nIndustrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the\nNational Space Society, which is an international non-profit\norganization that promotes development of the space frontier.\nThe Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA.\n\n WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino\n Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA.\n\n DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto\n Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101\n North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2\n mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2\n mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino\n Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left\n\n',
'From: gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium)\nSubject: Re: 17" Monitors\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, McGill University\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5GEH5.n1D@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:\n\n>Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a high quality\n>Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony 1604S for example) and this\n>is where the extra cost comes from. It is also where the high bandwidth\n>comes from, and the fantastic image, and the large image size, etc, etc...\n\nI agree that the image is as sharp as it gets with these SONY tubes,\nhowever in the 17" monitors using these tubes, the 2 annoying black\nlines on the top and bottom quarters of the tube, which are created due\nto the wires holding up the Invar Shadow Mask, are quite annoying after\na while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor\nof the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference,\nno ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used\nthe NEC 5FG would be appreciated since I want to get one right after\nmy exams are all done (ie: about a week from now).\n\n-Tony\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science\n=========================================================================\nPrefered account--------------- | The sun is the same in a relative way,\n gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca | but you\'re older\nhowever also available ------- | And shorter of breath and one day \n tgerardi@nyx.cs.du.edu | closer to DEATH. -Floyd\n gerardis@musocs.bitnet |\n',
'From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Spectragraphics Corporation\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <C5JGC4.AJJ@dove.nist.gov> keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:\n\nThis isn\'t anything new. Back in 1985 I was driving under a high\noverpass at night on I-805 in San Diego when I caught a glimpse of\nsomeone on the overpass. As I passed under a rock slammed against the\nmetal between the winshield and right front window. My girlfriend was\nin the seat next to it. I called the police from the next exit, but I\ndoubt if they were found.\n\nAbout five years ago in San Diego someone was put into a coma from a\nbrick being thrown through his sunroof as he was driving and\nsubsequently crashed. I don\'t think he ever came out of the coma, and I\nhaven\'t heard anything about it for a couple years.\n\n>I know that this isn\'t the group for it, but since you brought it up,\n>does anyone have any idea why they haven\'t "bombed" the Waco cult? \n\nProbably because there are many children there. Also the minor fact\nthat other than defending themselves from 100 some people attacking them\nthey haven\'t threatened or attacked anyone outside the compound in\nyears. Being a promiscuous religious nut does not constitute grounds\nfor a mass murder of Koresh and his followers.\n\nSorry for posting this to this group, but I thought the previous post\nneeded a rebuttal. If you follow-up to this portion please cross-post\nand direct follow-ups to a more appropriate newsgroup.\n\n-- \n====== Boyd Johnson nosc!spectra.com!johnson San Diego, California ======\n\tIntermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups.\n\tMy opinions certainly don\'t match those of my employer.\n',
"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:\n\n>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:\n\n>>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying\n>>at City Hall in Belfast. \n\n>May I ask why? It's there not because the British want it there (NI\n>is just one big expensive problem), it's there because that is\n>what the majority of the population of NI want. Is there some\n>problem with that?\n\nThe majority of those who can open their mouths in public perhaps.\nThere seems quite alot of incentive for the British to have control\nof NI, like using the North Channel and Irish Sea as a waste dump (I was\nappalled at the dumping I saw in the harbor in Belfast). It is my\nunderstanding that quite alot of radioactivity enters the water --\nit'd be quite a problem if NI got its independence from Britain and\nthen stopped accepting the waste. Are you suggesting that British\nindustry isn't making profit off the situation as well?\n\n\nGregg\n",
'From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord)\nSubject: Questions from a newbie\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 56\n\n\n\tIs life a pass/fail course, and does God grade on a\ncurve?\n\tI\'m new here, and only vaguely religious, but I want to\nknow what some of you people think. Specifically, are there an\ninfinite number of Heavens, and a person goes to the one that\nhe/she deserves? Or is it simply Heaven or nothing (Hell?)\nAlso, are we "graded" by those around us, or has there always\nbeen some unchanging method? Is the person\'s childhood taken\ninto account?\n\tI\'m sure these must sound like over-simplifications to\nmost of you, but I figure that you\'re the experts.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-Quinn\n\n[Eschatology is an area on which Christians do not agree. I suspect\nthat\'s because our primary source of information is prophets and\nvisionaries, and their writings tend to be highly symbolic. However\nboth Jesus\' teachings in the Gospels and books such as the Revelation\nto John talk primarily about the difference between eternal life and\neternal death. On a number of occasions Jesus does say things that\nimply some sort of differentiation, e.g. Lk 10:14 and a number of\nsimilar passages where Jesus says things like "even XXX will be better\noff than you in the judgement." Also, I Cor 3 talks about someone who\ngets into heaven, but by the skin of his teeth, as it were. But these\npassages are not normally interpreted as suggesting separate heavens,\nso much as differing levels of prestige or punishment in heaven or\nhell (and not all Christians would even go as far as that). The only\nChristian group I know of that believes in multiple heavens is the\nMormons, and they are very far from mainstream Christianity (far\nenough that many of our readers would not call them Christian). Their\nideas in this area involve specific Mormon revelations, in addition\nto the Bible and "Holy Tradition" of a more generic Christian sort.\n\nNote that many Christians will cringe at the very thought of\nassociating grading with God. The whole point of Christ was to free\nus from the results of a test that we couldn\'t possibly pass. If you\nlike test analogies, God grades on a very strict and unbending scale,\nbut he also cheats -- he replaces our test papers with an exam that\nwas prepared by the teacher, before actually doing the grading.\nBecause some people end up in heaven and others in hell, it\'s easy to\nsee why you\'d be inclined to think of it as grading. While there are\ndifferences among branches of Christianity on details, I think we all\nagree that in one way or another, God cheats.\n\nI am personally very sceptical about anyone who claims to know exactly\nhow far God\'s cheating extends. Will he accept people who don\'t\nexplicitly acknowledge Christ, but somehow still follow him in their\nhearts? Many Christians believe that this is possible, at least in\nprinciple, but certainly not all do. Jesus provided us with a clear\ndescription of how to be saved, but it\'s not clear to me that he\nprovided an exact description of how he\'s going to place the dividing\nline. Certainly he made it clear that we can\'t expect to know whether\nother individuals are saved or not.\n\n--clh]\n',
'From: starowl@bolero.rahul.net (Michael D. Adams)\nSubject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies\nArticle-I.D.: rahul.C51D0n.3Fw\nReply-To: starowl@a2i.rahul.net\nOrganization: D Service Actuarial Consulting\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nX-Header: IGNORE ignore Ignore IgNoRe this line\n\nrick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes:\n\n>Very simple. An \'Insurance Commissioner\' is a bureaucrat - a regulator.\n>It is his/her duties to make rules to enforce laws. \n\n...and to make life difficult for us actuaries..... :-/\n\n-- \nMichael D. Adams\t(starowl@a2i.rahul.net)\t Champaign, IL / southeast AL\n\n "THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves."\n\t\t-- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E)\n',
'From: jbore@cosmos.shearson.com (Joe Bore)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nIn-Reply-To: alee@ecs.umass.edu\'s message of 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT\nOrganization: Lehman Brothers\nLines: 33\n\n\n\ntry finding a friend that has caller id, then give him a call...\n\njb\n\n\nIn article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n\n Path: shearson.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!nic.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!umaecs!alee\n From: alee@ecs.umass.edu\n Newsgroups: sci.electronics\n Date: 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT\n Lines: 13\n\n\n Greetings!\n\n\t Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don\'t\n\t\t know the number of the line. And I don\'t want\n\t\t to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n\n\t Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can\n\t\t use to find out the number to the line?\n\t Thanks for any response.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t Al\n\n\n--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJoe Bore\t\t\t\t\t | "Life is Short...Code Hard"\njbore@Shearson.COM | ...!uunet!shearson.com!jbore| \n(212)464-3431, Beeper: (212)396-4248\t\t |\n',
"From: derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue)\nSubject: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 20\n\n\n I've a curiousity --\n\n Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day, \n the person is on the list longer than the specificed time\n\n I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't\n remember what...\n\n I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications.\n\n- Scotyy\n\n-- \nScott Allen Steinbrink ************************************************\n * GO CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!! NBA FINALS '93!!!!!!* \nNetCom: Derich@netcom.com * GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!! WORLD SERIES '93!!!!*\nDigex: derich@digex.com * GO CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!!! SUPER BOWL '94!!!!!!*\n ************************************************\n\n",
'From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim)\nSubject: Terminal for sale\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 5\n\nI have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal\nwith 1200 external hyess modem\namber screens 101 keyboard,cable\nmake an offer\n0\n',
"From: cbray@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Bray)\nSubject: Cassettes for Sale!!! (Update)\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu\nSummary: Tapes for sale...\nKeywords: tapes, sale, sell\n\nHi there again...\nI still have a few tapes left...\n\nAs before they are $2.50 each (postage paid).\nMultiple orders appreciated, but not necessary...\nPackage deals welcome...\n\nThanks...\nChris Bray\n\nLewis, Huey|Sports\nHooters|Nervous Night\nPoison|Look What the Cat Dragged In\nHall & Oates|Big Bam Boom\nRatt|Out of the Cellar\nQuiet Riot|Condition Critical\nSeger, Bob|Like a Rock\nOutfield|Play Deep\nPlant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred\nJourney|Raised on Radio\nDuran Duran|Duran Duran\nDuran Duran|Arena\nDuran Duran|Rio\n",
"From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick)\nSubject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend.\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 21\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:\n>I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what\n>happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the\n>name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own\n>legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and \n>reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some\n>more of these critters?\n\nFor some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something\nlike that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed\noverlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make\nthe whole shebang glow a nice shade of green ..\n\nmighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark\nand don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT ..\n\n-- \n<BGB>\nlihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't\n(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that\nfrom the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.\n",
'From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright)\nSubject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?\nOrganization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn.\nLines: 12\n\nWith the continuin talk about the "End of the Space Age" and complaints \nby government over the large cost, why not try something I read about \nthat might just work.\n\nAnnounce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation \nwho successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. \nThen you\'d see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin \nto be developed. THere\'d be a different kind of space race then!\n\n--\n gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright)\ntheporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville\n',
'From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>\nFollowups-to: talk.politics.guns\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE\nDistribution: usa\n <1993Apr19.202756.6889@msuvx2.memst.edu>\nLines: 11\n\nAh yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork\nto defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves\nwhile watching the TV coverage.\n\nProbably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.\n\nOh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are\na few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.\n\n\n\n',
'From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl Elvis MacRae)\nSubject: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions?\nOrganization: Tattooed Love Boys\nLines: 36\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com\n\n\n\n\tI just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver\n\t(Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out\n\tthere have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to\n\tsay...\n\n\n\tI\'m looking at the following three SUV\'s; anyone who\'s driven all\n\tthree have any strong opinions?\n\n\n\tFord Explorer\n\tToyota 4Runner\n\tNissan Pathfinder\n\n\n\tCurrently I\'m leaning toward the Toyota, \'cause I\'ve had big success\n\twith Toyota trucks in the past, and \'cause I think it\'s the best\n\tlooking of the three. But I thought I\'d see if anyone has any strong \n\topinions....\n\n\n\n\t\t\tThanks!\n\n\n\t-Karl\n\n\n -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n Karl Elvis MacRae\tSoftware Release Support\tCisco Systems\n kmac@cisco.com -or- batman@cisco.com 415-688-8231 DoD# 1999 FJ1200\n -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n\t "Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-Arlo Guthrie\n',
"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division\nLines: 75\n\nFrom another not-so-distressed-but-still-wondering-about-a-few-things\nCardinal fan:\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:\n>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.\n>\n\tHe's not the greatest - this is true.\n>\n>For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game,\n>\n\tI saw it.\n>\n>With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed\n>hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.\n>\n\tLankford was hurt, although the announcer said he told Torre he\n\tcould pinch hit if they needed him to.\n>\n>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts\n>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis\n>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell\n>is he thinking.\n>\n\tI wondered the same thing. But giving Joe the benefit of the \n\tdoubt, I'd say he was thinking that Lankford is hurt enough that\n\the didn't trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his\n\tspeed on the bases so pinch run him. Alicea I was completely\n\tconfused about. Maybe he had a good record hitting against that\n\tparticular pitcher? I don't know. Anybody got an idea?\n>\n>Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented\n>how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a\n>regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said\n>he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year,\n>what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every\n>team in the league.\n>\n\tWell, so far I haven't seen much to say Whiten shouldn't be playing\n\tbut it is too bad that Gilkey is the odd man out when they play \n\tJordan ahead of him. That I don't quite understand.\n>\n>Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, \n>The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line\n>and waving lankford home, \n>\n\tYup, I looked for this on the replay too. If I'm Joe Torre, I'm\n\tgoing to have a talk with Bucky after the game on that one. He's\n\tgot Lankford at third with Todd Zeile I believe - a hot hitter - \n\tcoming up - there's no reason to risk giving Lankford the go sign \n\tin that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands. \n\tIt's his job to watch the play develop - he should have known Larkin \n\twas there to back up a bad throw. That seemed inexcusable in my book. \n\tBTW, I saw Dent do the same thing last year with Zeile rounding third \n\tand going into a sure out at home in a critical situation. On the \n\treplay, there's Dent waving him around. It looks like this might be a \n\tserious problem. The Card's weren't good base runners at all last year \n\tand I wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching.\n\n>\n>I can't take this anymore\n>\n\tWell, I'm still hanging in there.\n\n\tGO REDBIRDS!! WOOF, WOOF!!!\n\n>brian, a very distressed cardinal fan.\n>-- \n>\n>Brian Landmann \n>Georgia Institute of Technology \n>Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu \n\nDick Detweiler\n\nrdetweil@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com\n",
'From: slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.MIL (Steve Slosser)\nSubject: UNIX interest group: Where is it?\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: "xpert" <xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu>\n\nI know that this is not the correct place to post this, but I have \nexhausted all other logical options. I used to be on the INFO-UNIX \nnewsgroup mailer. The mailers mysteriously quite coming around the end of\nlast year. All e-mails requesting that I be placed back on the list have\nbeen ignored. I have been unable to locate the administrator of this list.\n\nIf anyone knows of the internet address that I can send a the request to\nget back on this list, can you please send it to me. If you don\'t know\nof this specific newsgroup mailer, I would appreciate the address of *any*\nUNIX-related newsgroup. Thanks.\n\n Cutoff,\n Steve\n slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.mil\n\nPS - Sorry for the non-X-related question.\n\n',
"From: ianmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ian McPherson)\nSubject: Re: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode?\nOrganization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 26\n\nLLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu wrote:\n: Distribution: usa\n: Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n\n: While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip\n: or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons --\n: mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information\n: on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right'\n: way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let\n: me know?)\n\n: I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post,\n: but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think ..\n\n: thanx everyone! <BGB> lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n\nHewlett Packard has a series of barcode decoder ICs HBCR-1800, HBCR-2000,\nand HBCR-2010 and they support 3of9 extended 3of9 interleaved 2of5 \nand UPC codes. The 2000 and 2010 pieces add codabar and code 128.\n\nThese chips support HP's barcode wands and slot readers.\n\nAn 1800 + a HEDS-3050 wand run about $150 CDN .\n\nIan.\n\n",
'From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear)\nSubject: Onkyo 55w/ch integrated amp forsale:\nOrganization: Purdue University Computing Center\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nI have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of.\n\t60w/ch\n\tintegra series \n\tworks great\n\tnot a problem\n\n\tAsking $100 OBO\n\n\tIf your interested call me at (317)743-2656 or email this address.\n\tMAKE ME AN OFFER!!!\n\t \nTodd\n\n-- \n%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\n (___________________________________ % Todd Premo \n / / / % Purdue Universtiy \n / __\t __ / __ / % Environmental Engineering \n',
'From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)\nSubject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind?\nOrganization: George Washington University\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <mtrottie.64.0@emr1.emr.ca> mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca (Marc Trottier) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.172514.13025@cci632.cci.com> jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) writes:\n>>From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno)\n>>Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind?\n>>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:25:14 GMT\n>>We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window\n>>to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows\n>>that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ??\n>>\n>>Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group.\n>>\n>>Thanks for any help\n>>--- John Bruno\n>>\n>\n>Apparently, Microsoft came out with a new product: MS-Braille it is suppose \n>to be "WYTIWIG". :-)\n>\n>No offense.\n> \n> \n> Marc Trottier / mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca \n>\n>\n\n\nAT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running\nwindows, and win. apps for the blind, I think. Didn\'t pay much\nattention to it, but it was there.\n\nMickey\n-- \npe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu \nace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray\n|||| \\/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*\n\\\\\\\\ | "well I ain\'t always right, but I\'ve never been wrong.."(gd)\n',
"From: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux)\nSubject: Icon Animation \nLines: 17\nReply-To: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux)\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation -- CSC/Colorado Srpings\n\n\nHi Folks.\n\nAs part of my self-introduction to X I've been trying to do some simple\nicon animation (sort of like icondoit from mswindows). Changing your\nown applications icon is fairly simple: If you have a widget ID you can\njust XtSetValues on XtNiconifyPixmap (or whatever) and you're done. Alternately\nyou can set window manager hints. These methods don't seem to work with\nicons which your application doesn't specifically own.\n\nIn my situation I have to change the icon of random windows sitting there in \nmy icon box so my question is: Given a window-id, how do you change the\nicon pixure ? A working example would be very much appreciated. If it makes\nany difference, I'm using motif 1.1 on VMS T6.0-5KE.\n\nThanks -\nScott :)\n",
'From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nOrganization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY\nLines: 15\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nCyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:\n: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:\n: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its\n: >"current directory".\n\n: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use\n: to launch cview cd\'s to the dir where cview resides and then\n: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file\n: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.\n\nI posted this as well before the cview "expert". Apparently, he thought he\nknew better.\n\nMatthew Zenkar\nmz@moscom.com\n',
"From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee)\nSubject: Post script viewer\nOrganization: San Diego State University Computing Services\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nHello, recently I have been printing out a lot of files on school's laser printer and feeling guilty about it. Please help me by showing me where to get a post script viewer for X-windows. Thank you for your help.\n\n\n\n\n\nA student trying to enhence his cybernatic ability.\n\n",
"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra)\nSubject: Some more info. about P9000 board\nOriginator: himb@iniki\nOrganization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology\nLines: 10\n\n One more thing to add, the Orchid board vesa bios is only\nable to handle the 1 meg dram on board, the Viper however can\nutilize the 2 meg vram on board to support vesa modes such as\n1280x1024x256, 800x600x16 mil. and 1024x768x65536 under Dos.\n\n+----------------------------------------------------------------+\nStephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii\n don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93)\n+ Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! +\n\n",
'From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni)\nSubject: SUMMARY: Borland/Microsoft Database C Libraries\nOrganization: Orbital Engine Company\nLines: 384\n\nWell, I\'m amazed at how successful this exercise was. I received 20\nresponses and 4 requests for summary. Thanks to everyone who made it\npossible.\n\nOn my own I was able to find out about Codebase, Accsys, and Q+E. Codebase\nand Accsys are C libraries without SQL. Q+E is a Windows application\nthat can be communicated through Windows DDE calls, where you send a SQL\nstring and receive the results.\n\nMost people wrote to tell me about the Paradox Engine from Borland. Other \nproducts mentioned were: Microsoft\'s ODBC, Accsys, Quadbase, Codebase,\nRBASE, and Q+E. Only ODBC, Quadbase, RBASE, and Q+E have SQL.\n\nFor myself, I decided on Codebase, mostly because it has an ANSI C\nportability version that runs under DOS, UNIX, etc, and includes the\nsource code, and portability is important in my application. It works\nwith DBASE, FoxPro, or Clipper files.\n\nHowever, I feel that Microsoft\'s ODBC looks very promising.\nIt\'s mostly a formalisation of building and submitting SQL queries, and\nformatting query results. As the responses say, it\'s available via ftp,\nexcept it\'s effectively unusuable without two manuals:\nthe "ODBC Programmer\'s Reference" and the "ODBC SDK Guide". Moreover,\nODBC doesn\'t actually interpret SQL and liase with databases, that\'s \nup to drivers that should be provided by database manufacturers. Also,\nit\'s Windows only (it\'s actually an extension to the Windows SDK). \nNevertheless, it\'s a start at a SQL interface standard, and should\nmake life interesting in the future.\n\nHere\'s my original post, followed by the responses, separated by \na line of asterisks (*).\n\n> Does anyone know if Borland or Microsoft have libraries for accessing\n> their respective databases (Paradox, FoxPro) from within C programs?\n> I\'d really like to be able to build a SQL query string and pass it\n> to a function which returns the query results in some format. Failing\n> that, any other access would still be better than nothing.\n> \n> I\'d also like to hear of third party libraries for doing the same thing.\n> \n> If other people are interested, I\'ll prepare a summary of what I\'m\n> told and post it.\n> \n> Thanks to all.\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has a product called Paradox Engine that does just what you want. \nThe current version is 3.0, which is fully compatible with (ack) Paradox\n4.0. (Why the versions are different, I don\'t know. PD Engine 2.0 was\ncompatible with Pdox 3.0 and 3.5...). It consists of a rather broad\nlibrary of functions for accesing database files from both Pascal (I think\nturbo Pascal 5.5 and up) and C (I think either Microsoft or Borland).\n\nNow.. reading the box... it\'s "Borland Paradox Engine & Database\nFrameworks". Works with any Borland C/C++, Mocrosoft C 6.01 or later,\nTurbo C++ for Windows, Turbo Pascal 6.0 or later, TP for Windows 1.0 or\nlater. For Framework applications, BC++ 3.0 or later or MS C/C++ 7.0. It\ndoes have support for object useage...\n\nI haven\'t had a real chance to really use it myself... but it looks fairly\ncomplete... I\'m planning to use it this summer.\n-Rick\n-- \n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Rick Osterberg osterber@husc.harvard.edu 617-493-7784 617-493-3892 |\n| 2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center Cambridge, MA 02138-7510 USA |\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has a product which is called Paradox Engine. \nI do not know about MS.\n\nThe paradox engine I know very well, and it definitiely\nnot a replacement for SQL, but it will enable you to\nsave and restore records, has locking, et al. Supposedly\nthe Paradox for Windows was impemented on top of it.\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------\n\nCharles Parker\t\t\t Phone.(800) 669 9165\nTechnical Support\t\t\t(617) 498 3321\nCenterLine Software, Inc.\t Fax.(617) 868 6655\n\ncparker@centerline.com\n cyberspace\nmomma, don\'t let yer children grow up to be ^ cowboys ...\n---------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI know Borland has a library of routines for accessing PARADOX from within\na C program. They recently came out with version 3.0. This works with both\nBorland and Microsoft\'s C compiler.\n\n\t\t\t\tshailesh bhobe\n\t\t\t\t(708) 979-7101\n\t\t\t\tatt!psp!smb2\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n MS has put their ODBC SDK into the public domain; it\'s\n _big_ (I believe 1.8 MB), but worth downloading over a\n fast link. Look at ftp.uu.net in vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk.\n\n Also some companies are starting to provide SQL engines; I\n just got one for RBASE, not exactly cheap at $450, but it\n allows programs in C or VBASIC (under DOS or Windows) to talk\n to data bases using SQL functions in your code.\n\n hth\n\n Walter Knopf\n Fermilab\n\n knopf@fnal.fnal.gov\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n Check out the ODBC toolikt from Microsoft. It is available on\nftp.uu.net:vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk. This is the way that we\'ve\nchosen to access databases from all of our apps.\nmj\n-- \n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| PPPPP SSSSSIIIIII Specialists in MS-Windows and Windows-NT Development |\n| PP PPSS II Call for information about our OOA/OOD tool: OOAiD. |\n| PPPPP SSSS II Michaeljon Miller mikem@apertus.com |\n| PP SS II Proficient Solutions, Inc. 612-860-2181 |\n| PP SSSSS IIIIII 2877 Holmes Ave So. #5 Minneapolis, MN 55408 |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland sells the "Paradox Engine" which is a C language interface to\nParadox, dBase, Btrieve, ans ASCI files. They also sell "Database Frameworks"\nwhich includes the engine plus a collection (with source) of C++ classes\nfor using the engine.\n\n-- \nEarl Roethke\neroethke@ems.cdc.com\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI actualy have Paradox Engine. It is a library of functions (large model)\nfor accessing the Paradox\'s databases. It seems to be working fine,\nbut I never did try it thouroughly. It costs ~200$.\n\nHope it will help you...\n\n\nFrom: David Lefebvre <david@hp817.speedware.com>\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland provides a database lib called Paradox Engine which can access\nand use the database files aswell as many other things.\n\nGary.\n\n-- \n``````````` bell@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au `````````````````````````````````````\n| Gary Bell |\n| Department of Robotics and Digital Technology |\n|Faculty of Computing, Caulfield Campus, Monash University, Australia |\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nParadox Engine is the library for Paradox .\n\n\nArtur Babecki\nartur@ii.uj.edu.pl\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland sells the Paradox Engine -- which has all the Paradox calls in it.\nIts hardly SQL though. You can do searches on key fields and on \nindivual fields, but no comparison operators like <, >=....\n\nso its pretty painful (in my opinion) do do anything besides simple\nretrieval and inserts/updates.\n\nI\'m currently using it (I have an eval copy..) and I\'ve linked it in to\nsome entry screens I\'ve written.\n\nThe Engine library adds about 100K to the size of the program, but you can\nload it as an overlay using Borland\'s VROOM manager.\n\nNow Borland claims that later versions of the engine will have SQL support\nbut they don\'t really expect it till late in the year... or even next year\nThey are trying to get thrid parties to help out..\n\nIf you have any other questions -- let me know...\n\nMike Kamlet\nmike@vpnet.chi.il.us\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nYes, borland sells their Paradox Engine separately. It has C, C++, and\nPascal interfaces, although the underlying interface is in \'C\'. Well at\nleast for version 2.0 of the Engine which I have (costed $99 at Egghead).\nThey now have version 3.0 of the engine, and a separate C++ class package\nfor it.\n\n\n-- \nMichael D. Kersenbrock\nADC Kentrox - Portland, Oregon\nmichaelk@kentrox.com\nuunet!kentrox!michaelk\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI\'ve used AccSys for Paradox (new version is almost ready for Paradox\n4.0) to access Paradox files from C. Its pretty good. Not SQL\nthough. Have heard of Borland Paradox Engine or some such which is\nsupposed to do likewise, but not sure of what it is exactly.\n\nHope this helps, good luck!\nchris\n\nFrom: fernand@slinky.cs.nyu.edu (Christopher Fernandes)\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland sells their "Paradox Engine (3.0)". It\'s a library of functions\nfor accessing paradox DB files. It comes with libraries for:\nMS C 7.0\nBCC 3.1\nTurbo Pascal (v??)\nand I believe it comes with Turbo Pascal/Win libraries as well.\nThe C libraries come in both DOS and Windows flavors (the win stuff \nbeing dll\'s). \n\nWhen I got it, it also came with Crystal Reports which\nis a graphical report generator. It allows you to create a generic\nform and use it within a compiled program using Pdox Engine. I don\'t\nknow if they still offer it or what the current price is, I paid \nsomething like $50-$60 for an upgrade from the earlier version though...\n\nHope this helps...\n\n-David Taylor\n---\n| ->> The Commander <<--\t | It is easier to change the \t|\n|Internet: gt2847c@prism.gatech.edu| specification to fit the program\t|\n| Also: dtaylor@cfd.gatech.edu | than vice-versa.\t\t\t|\n| And: root@cfd.gatech.edu\t | -Author Unknown (but very wise :-) |\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n\nIf you want to do SQL from within your programs, check out QuadBase. I don\'t\nhave their address oops -- yes I do! :\nQuadBase Systems, Inc.\n790 Lucerne Dr #51\nSunnyvale, CA 94086 (USA)\n\nphone: 408-738-6989 (voice) 408-738-6980 (fax)\n\nAsk for the SQL/Win demo disk.\n\nIt looked good to me (I have a background in embedded SQL in Ingres -- this\nlooked real similar). It\'s a little expensive, but if you order the demo\nand then just wait they will probably send you a special offer that\'ll\nprobably run about $500 US. Good luck!\n\nBest,\n Tom DeLosh\n\nFrom: delosh@emunix.emich.edu (Tom Delosh)\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has the Paradox Engine library. It has libraries for\nboth C and Pascal to access Paradox files under DOS/Windows. \nBut for Paradox, I believe you\'d have buy have the SQL Link \nsince Pdox itself isn\'t SQL compliant. I\'ve used the engine \nfor over a year now and have been pretty satisfied with it. \nUnder DOS, it\'s a real pig. It tacks on about 120K to the size of \nyour programs.\n\ntim ma\nassociate programmer\nuniversity of utah\nemail: tim@src.cppa.utah.edu\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI don\'t know about Microsoft, but Borland sells the Paradox Engine for C/C++ &\nPascal (in one package). And if you want dBase compatible files there is a \nlibrary called CodeBase from Sequiter software that works with C/C++.\n\nFrom: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray)\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n\nWe\'re using Q+E database libraries to do what you describe.\nIt\'s a set of DLL\'s accessed through a common API to talk to most of the\nmajor database formats. We\'re using it to build an application that\nqueries several databases using SQL queries. _All_ access using Q+E is\ndone using SQL. The package is available through Microway in Melbourne. I\nbelieve it is produced by Pioneer Systems in the US. We have no\nassociation with Microway or Pioneer Systems other than being satisfied\ncustomers. Feel free to mail me for further information.\n\nChris \n(Programming for NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service)\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChris Hutchinson Box U302\nResearch Programmer University of New England\nchris@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU Armidale NSW 2351\n(067) 727 014\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nParadox Engine 3.0 provides a complete set of C libraries for \naccessing Paradox tables. However, it seems that it supports \nonly Borland/Turbo C and MicroSoft C. When I tried to compile \nthe engine\'s sample applications with the Waterloo WATCOM C/C++\n(32-bit) compiler, it complains that the library file LLIBCE.LIB \nis missing even though I am quite certain that the file is NOT\npart of WATCOM C or the engine. Anybody have any success with \nother C compilers?\n\nRon.K.Ng@hydro.on.ca\n--------------------\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI\'m currently developing an app. with Borland\'s "Paradox Engine\nfor C" (it also comes in Pascal), which has recently gone to version 3.0\n(I.e., PX Engine 3.0 is compatible with Paradox 4.0, and downward compat.\nw/3.5). There are indeed C libs for Fox access, but I can\'t think of the\nnames offhand - I\'m sure someone has already written you in that regard -\n(I think I just saw an add for a Fox lib in the "C Users Journal", which\nis a good place to look for this type of package in general, by the way).\nI\'ve been paying my dues to learn a lot of the quirks of PX Eng. over the\npast year - wouldn\'t recommend it for a complex multiuser app.--but I\'m\nstaying with it for now--it\'s like a bad marriage: I\'ve got too much time\ninvested in learning and work-arounds! But if your interest is limited\nto a simple single-user interface (you want to build your own SQL engine,\nI take it), PX Engine will do the job easily - it doesn\'t sound like\nyou\'ll be bumping into any of the gotchas. If you do, write me; I may\nbe able to point you in the right direction.\n\nFrom: raymond@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (raymond)\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has a "Paradox Engine and Database Framework 3.0" which gives you\na "C" (and assembler?) API to Paradox databases. This is part of "BOCA"\n-- Borland\'s Object Component Architecture. They have technical briefs\non BOCA, PdoxEng, and other products of theirs.\n\nFrom: jdm@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (James D. McNamara)\n------------------- James D. McNamara | TASC --------------------\n55 Walkers Brook Drive | Reading, MA 01867-3238 | 617-942-2000x2948\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n-- \nJohn Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia\noecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu\nOpinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation.\n',
'From: pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock)\nSubject: Page numbering problem with WFW & Canon BJ10e\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca\nLines: 11\n\n I am using WFW 2.0c with a Canon BJ10e. The printer driver is that \nwhich comes with Windows 3.1. Unfortatunately, I am having a problem with \nprinting page numbers on the bottom of the page. I can print page number \non the top of the page, but not on the bottom. Has anybody had a similar \nproblem and/or does anybody have a solution for such a problem.\n\nThanks\npwoodcoc@business.uwo.ca\n\npwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock)\nWestern Business School -- London, Ontario\n',
"From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger)\nSubject: Re: 16Mb ISA limit\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: myself\nLines: 14\n\nrpao@mts.mivj.ca.us writes in article <C5J6zn.681@mts.mivj.ca.us>:\n> \n> marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes:\n> \n> >Then the writer claims that glitches can\n> >occur in systems with over 16Mb because \n> >of that limit. That part I don't understand\n> >because the RAM is right on the motherboard.\n> >So the cpu should have no problems talking\n> >with the RAM. Can anybody explain this ?\nThe floppy is served by DMA on the motherboard,\nand original DMA-controller can't reach more than the first\n16MB (The address-space of the ISA-bus)\njoerg\n",
'From: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner)\nSubject: Apple IIgs\nArticle-I.D.: gap.1qkm6lINNrc6\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 29\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nI have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell. Everything comes with\noriginal boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition. Make an\noffer; I\'ll consider anything:\n\nApple IIgs 1 meg\n3.5" drive\n13" AppleColor RGB monitor\nkeyboard/mouse/mousepad/dustcovers/1200 baud Applemodem/random other worthless\n stuff.\n\nHere\'s a list of the games/apps:\n\n Games:\t\t\t\t Applications:\n\nBattleChess\t\t\t\tSystem Disk\nDefender of the Crown\t\t\tSystem Tools IIGS\nArkanoid II\t\t\t\tWordPerfect\nBubble Ghost\t\t\t\tAppleworks\nShadowgate\t\t\t\tWriter\'s Choice elite\nBalance of Power\t\t\tDraw Plus\nMarble Madness\t\t\t\tCopy II Plus\nZany Golf\t\t\t\tProTERM communications software\nChessmaster 2100\n\nIf interested, contact:\n\nsunshine@cco.caltech.edu\n\n*******************************************************************************\n',
'From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker????\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 21\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <C5LFA4.E10@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cal2d@csissun11.ee.Virginia.EDU (Craig Allen Lorie) writes:\n>According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite\n>the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the\n>Penguins. This is because the Islanders have won the season series against\n>the Devils. I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include:\n>\n>1. season series\n>2. goals against\n>3. goals for\n>\n>in this order (correct me if I\'m wrong). Anyone have anything to add?\n\nI think that they go to divisional records before goals, but I could be\nwrong, too.\n\n--\n Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n "When I want your opinion, I\'ll give it to you." \n',
'From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell)\nSubject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick\nOrganization: Oregon Health Sciences University\nLines: 29\nNntp-Posting-Host: facman\n\nkosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes:\n\n>I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford\'s novel "Sarum" a scene in\n>which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a\n>secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered\n>with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on\n>the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the\n>worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of\n>rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is\n>related to the Mithras cult?\n>\n>I don\'t know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter.\n>The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which\n>take place are largely based on historical accounts.\n\nThere is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell\'s\n_Occidental_Mythology_. He also described levels of initiation, I think\n6? I don\'t know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he\nwas being a little eclectic.\n\n>I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull\n>cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some\n>Mediterranean cultures.\n\nQuite a bit. If you haven\'t read Campbell, give him a try. \n\n-- \n-- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273\nOregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232\n',
'From: jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II))\nSubject: An agnostic\'s question\nOrganization: BoGART To You Buddy, Bellevue, WA\nLines: 24\n\nPardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup. I would describe myself as\nan agnostic, in so far as I\'m sure there is no single, universal\nsupreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be\njudged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that\ngoodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the\ncomplication is that one of my best friends has become very\nfundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he\nfeels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is,\naccording to his faith). This is a great strain to our friendship. I\nwould have no problem if the subject didn\'t come up, but when it does,\nthe discussion quickly begins to offend both of us: he is offended\nbecause I call into question his bedrock beliefs; I am offended by\nwhat I feel is a subscription to superstition, rationalized by such\ncircular arguments as \'the Bible is God\'s word because He tells us in\nthe Bible that it is so.\' So my question is, how can I convince him\nthat this is a subject better left undiscussed, so we can preserve\nwhat is (in all areas other than religious beliefs) a great\nfriendship? How do I convince him that I am \'beyond saving\' so he\nwon\'t try? Thanks for any advice.\n\n-- \nJim Tomlinson 206-865-6578 \\ "falling snow\nBoGART Project jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com \\ excellent snow"\nBoeing Computer Services ...uunet!bcstec!voodoo!jdt \\ - Anderson/Gabriel\n',
"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid <am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\nOrganization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C5115s.5Fy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>\n\nExcerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 5-Apr-93 Re: HELP INSTALL RAM\nON CEN.. by Jason Harvey Titus@farad \n> From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus)\n> Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\n> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:05:51 GMT\n> \n> I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg\n> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the\n> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that\n> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even\n> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4\n> meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might\n> want to know.....\n> Jason.\n\n\n\noh boy am i confused, I thought the entire point of the 72 pin simms was\nthat you could use diffrent size simms so you could avoid having to use\nsets. all horror stories not withstanding.\n\n -A.\n",
'From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 14/15 - How to Become an Astronaut\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\nArticle-I.D.: cs.astronaut_733694515\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:01:55 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 313\nSupersedes: <astronaut_730956661@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\n\nArchive-name: space/astronaut\nLast-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:02 $\n\nHOW TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT\n\n First the short form, authored by Henry Spencer, then an official NASA\n announcement.\n\n Q. How do I become an astronaut?\n\n A. We will assume you mean a NASA astronaut, since it\'s probably\n impossible for a non-Russian to get into the cosmonaut corps (paying\n passengers are not professional cosmonauts), and the other nations have\n so few astronauts (and fly even fewer) that you\'re better off hoping to\n win a lottery. Becoming a shuttle pilot requires lots of fast-jet\n experience, which means a military flying career; forget that unless you\n want to do it anyway. So you want to become a shuttle "mission\n specialist".\n\n If you aren\'t a US citizen, become one; that is a must. After that,\n the crucial thing to remember is that the demand for such jobs vastly\n exceeds the supply. NASA\'s problem is not finding qualified people,\n but thinning the lineup down to manageable length.\tIt is not enough\n to be qualified; you must avoid being *dis*qualified for any reason,\n many of them in principle quite irrelevant to the job.\n\n Get a Ph.D. Specialize in something that involves getting your hands\n dirty with equipment, not just paper and pencil. Forget computer\n programming entirely; it will be done from the ground for the fore-\n seeable future. Degree(s) in one field plus work experience in\n another seems to be a frequent winner.\n\n Be in good physical condition, with good eyesight.\t(DO NOT get a\n radial keratomy or similar hack to improve your vision; nobody knows\n what sudden pressure changes would do to RKed eyes, and long-term\n effects are poorly understood. For that matter, avoid any other\n significant medical unknowns.) If you can pass a jet-pilot physical,\n you should be okay; if you can\'t, your chances are poor.\n\n Practise public speaking, and be conservative and conformist in\n appearance and actions; you\'ve got a tough selling job ahead, trying\n to convince a cautious, conservative selection committee that you\n are better than hundreds of other applicants. (And, also, that you\n will be a credit to NASA after you are hired: public relations is\n a significant part of the job, and NASA\'s image is very prim and\n proper.) The image you want is squeaky-clean workaholic yuppie.\n Remember also that you will need a security clearance at some point,\n and Security considers everybody guilty until proven innocent.\n Keep your nose clean.\n\n Get a pilot\'s license and make flying your number one hobby;\n experienced pilots are known to be favored even for non-pilot jobs.\n\n Work for NASA; of 45 astronauts selected between 1984 and 1988,\n 43 were military or NASA employees, and the remaining two were\n a NASA consultant and Mae Jemison (the first black female astronaut).\n If you apply from outside NASA and miss, but they offer you a job\n at NASA, ***TAKE IT***; sometimes in the past this has meant "you\n do look interesting but we want to know you a bit better first".\n\n Think space: they want highly motivated people, so lose no chance\n to demonstrate motivation.\n\n Keep trying. Many astronauts didn\'t make it the first time.\n\n\n\n\n NASA\n National Aeronautics and Space Administration\n Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center\n Houston, Texas\n\n Announcement for Mission Specialist and Pilot Astronaut Candidates\n ==================================================================\n\n Astronaut Candidate Program\n ---------------------------\n\n The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has a need for\n Pilot Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidates\n to support the Space Shuttle Program. NASA is now accepting on a\n continuous basis and plans to select astronaut candidates as needed.\n\n Persons from both the civilian sector and the military services will be\n considered.\n\n All positions are located at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in\n Houston, Texas, and will involved a 1-year training and evaluation\n program.\n\n Space Shuttle Program Description\n ---------------------------------\n\n The numerous successful flights of the Space Shuttle have demonstrated\n that operation and experimental investigations in space are becoming\n routine. The Space Shuttle Orbiter is launched into, and maneuvers in\n the Earth orbit performing missions lastling up to 30 days. It then\n returns to earth and is ready for another flight with payloads and\n flight crew.\n\n The Orbiter performs a variety of orbital missions including deployment\n and retrieval of satellites, service of existing satellites, operation\n of specialized laboratories (astronomy, earth sciences, materials\n processing, manufacturing), and other operations. These missions will\n eventually include the development and servicing of a permanent space\n station. The Orbiter also provides a staging capability for using higher\n orbits than can be achieved by the Orbiter itself. Users of the Space\n Shuttle\'s capabilities are both domestic and foreign and include\n government agencies and private industries.\n\n The crew normally consists of five people - the commander, the pilot,\n and three mission specialists. On occasion additional crew members are\n assigned. The commander, pilot, and mission specialists are NASA\n astronauts.\n\n Pilot Astronaut\n\n Pilot astronauts server as both Space Shuttle commanders and pilots.\n During flight the commander has onboard responsibility for the vehicle,\n crew, mission success and safety in flight. The pilot assists the\n commander in controlling and operating the vehicle. In addition, the\n pilot may assist in the deployment and retrieval of satellites utilizing\n the remote manipulator system, in extra-vehicular activities, and other\n payload operations.\n\n Mission Specialist Astronaut\n\n Mission specialist astronauts, working with the commander and pilot,\n have overall responsibility for the coordination of Shuttle operations\n in the areas of crew activity planning, consumables usage, and\n experiment and payload operations. Mission specialists are required to\n have a detailed knowledge of Shuttle systems, as well as detailed\n knowledge of the operational characteristics, mission requirements and\n objectives, and supporting systems and equipment for each of the\n experiments to be conducted on their assigned missions. Mission\n specialists will perform extra-vehicular activities, payload handling\n using the remote manipulator system, and perform or assist in specific\n experimental operations.\n\n Astronaut Candidate Program\n ===========================\n\n Basic Qualification Requirements\n --------------------------------\n\n Applicants MUST meet the following minimum requirements prior to\n submitting an application.\n\n Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate:\n\n 1. Bachelor\'s degree from an accredited institution in engineering,\n biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be\n followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,\n professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable and may be\n substituted for part or all of the experience requirement (master\'s\n degree = 1 year, doctoral degree = 3 years). Quality of academic\n preparation is important.\n\n 2. Ability to pass a NASA class II space physical, which is similar to a\n civilian or military class II flight physical and includes the following\n specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n\t 20/150 or better uncorrected,\n\t correctable to 20/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t 140/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches.\n\n Pilot Astronaut Candidate:\n\n 1. Bachelor\'s degree from an accredited institution in engineering,\n biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be\n followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,\n professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable. Quality of\n academic preparation is important.\n\n 2. At least 1000 hours pilot-in-command time in jet aircraft. Flight\n test experience highly desirable.\n\n 3. Ability to pass a NASA Class I space physical which is similar to a\n military or civilian Class I flight physical and includes the following\n specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n\t 20/50 or better uncorrected\n\t correctable to 20/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t 140/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n 4. Height between 64 and 76 inches.\n\n Citizenship Requirements\n\n Applications for the Astronaut Candidate Program must be citizens of\n the United States.\n\n Note on Academic Requirements\n\n Applicants for the Astronaut Candidate Program must meet the basic\n education requirements for NASA engineering and scientific positions --\n specifically: successful completion of standard professional curriculum\n in an accredited college or university leading to at least a bachelor\'s\n degree with major study in an appropriate field of engineering,\n biological science, physical science, or mathematics.\n\n The following degree fields, while related to engineering and the\n sciences, are not considered qualifying:\n - Degrees in technology (Engineering Technology, Aviation Technology,\n\tMedical Technology, etc.)\n - Degrees in Psychology (except for Clinical Psychology, Physiological\n\tPsychology, or Experimental Psychology which are qualifying).\n - Degrees in Nursing.\n - Degrees in social sciences (Geography, Anthropology, Archaeology, etc.)\n - Degrees in Aviation, Aviation Management or similar fields.\n\n Application Procedures\n ----------------------\n\n Civilian\n\n The application package may be obtained by writing to:\n\n\tNASA Johnson Space Center\n\tAstronaut Selection Office\n\tATTN: AHX\n\tHouston, TX 77058\n\n Civilian applications will be accepted on a continuous basis. When NASA\n decides to select additional astronaut candidates, consideration will be\n given only to those applications on hand on the date of decision is\n made. Applications received after that date will be retained and\n considered for the next selection. Applicants will be notified annually\n of the opportunity to update their applications and to indicate\n continued interest in being considered for the program. Those applicants\n who do not update their applications annually will be dropped from\n consideration, and their applications will not be retained. After the\n preliminary screening of applications, additional information may be\n requested for some applicants, and person listed on the application as\n supervisors and references may be contacted.\n\n Active Duty Military\n\n Active duty military personnel must submit applications to their\n respective military service and not directly to NASA. Application\n procedures will be disseminated by each service.\n\n Selection\n ---------\n\n Personal interviews and thorough medical evaluations will be required\n for both civilian and military applicants under final consideration.\n Once final selections have been made, all applicants who were considered\n will be notified of the outcome of the process.\n\n Selection rosters established through this process may be used for the\n selection of additional candidates during a one year period following\n their establishment.\n\n General Program Requirements\n\n Selected applicants will be designated Astronaut Candidates and will be\n assigned to the Astronaut Office at the Johnson Space Center, Houston,\n Texas. The astronaut candidates will undergo a 1 year training and\n evaluation period during which time they will be assigned technical or\n scientific responsibilities allowing them to contribute substantially to\n ongoing programs. They will also participate in the basic astronaut\n training program which is designed to develop the knowledge and skills\n required for formal mission training upon selection for a flight. Pilot\n astronaut candidates will maintain proficiency in NASA aircraft during\n their candidate period.\n\n Applicants should be aware that selection as an astronaut candidate does\n not insure selection as an astronaut. Final selection as an astronaut\n will depend on satisfactory completion of the 1 year training and\n evaluation period. Civilian candidates who successfully complete the\n training and evaluation and are selected as astronauts will become\n permanent Federal employees and will be expected to remain with NASA for\n a period of at least five years. Civilian candidates who are not\n selected as astronauts may be placed in other positions within NASA\n depending upon Agency requirements and manpower constraints at that\n time. Successful military candidates will be detailed to NASA for a\n specified tour of duty.\n\n NASA has an affirmative action program goal of having qualified\n minorities and women among those qualified as astronaut candidates.\n Therefore, qualified minorities and women are encouraged to apply.\n\n Pay and Benefits\n ----------------\n\n Civilians\n\n Salaries for civilian astronaut candidates are based on the Federal\n Governments General Schedule pay scales for grades GS-11 through GS-14,\n and are set in accordance with each individuals academic achievements\n and experience.\n\n Other benefits include vacation and sick leave, a retirement plan, and\n participation in group health and life insurance plans.\n\n Military\n\n Selected military personnel will be detailed to the Johnson Space Center\n but will remain in an active duty status for pay, benefits, leave, and\n other similar military matters.\n\n\nNEXT: FAQ #15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services\n',
"From: rm03@ic.ac.uk (Mr R. Mellish)\nSubject: Re: university violating separation of church/state?\nOrganization: Imperial College\nLines: 33\nNntp-Posting-Host: 129.31.80.14\n\nIn article <199304041750.AA17104@kepler.unh.edu> dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes:\n>\n>\n>\n> Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about\n>it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts\n>on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom\n>stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort\n>of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus.\n[most of post deleted]\n>\n> Please respond as soon as possible. I'd like these religious postings to\n>stop, NOW! \n>\n> \n>Thanks,\n>\n> Dana\n>\n> \n> \nThere is an easy way out....\nPost the flyers on the stall doors, but add at the bottom, in nice large\ncapitals,\n\n EMERGENCY TOILET PAPER\n\n:)\n\n-- \n------ Robert Mellish, FOG, IC, UK ------\n Email: r.mellish@ic.ac.uk Net: rm03@sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk IRC: HobNob\n------ and also the mrs joyful prize for rafia work. ------\n",
'From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)\nSubject: Re: Atheists and Hell\nOrganization: University of Central Florida\nLines: 33\n\natterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n\n>1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.\n\n>2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death\n> is unfair.\n\n> I don\'t see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, \n>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. \n\nWell, I think that most Christians believe that your conciousness will\nsomehow continue on after your \'physical\' death, which contradicts what\nmost atheists (myself included) believe, namely that your conciousness,\nbeing contained in your brain, dies when your brain dies.\n\n>There\'s no\n>reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad\n>enough.\n\nI fear the pain that often comes with the process of dying, but since I\nwon\'t be around to worry about it, I don\'t fear eternal death.\n\n> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since\n>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. \n\nThis is something I\'ve always found confusing. If all your nerve endings\ndie with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one "wail\nand gnash teeth" with no lungs and no teeth?\n\n\nMark Schnitzius\nschnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu\nUniversity of Central Florida\n',
"From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)\nSubject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM\nNntp-Posting-Host: engels.mitre.org\nOrganization: The MITRE Corporation\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <mcguire.1085350200F@newsserver.utcc.utk.edu>,\nmcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) wrote:\n> \n> In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,\n> hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote:\n> >With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and\n> >so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me:\n> >\n> >1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns\n> >VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.)\n> >\n> \n> 60ns 72 pin simms.\n> \n> >2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the\n> >C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing\n> >would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic\n> >board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?)\n> >\n> 2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board\n> leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a\n> 650.\n\nAccording to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple\nComputer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only\nthe Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.\n\nPete\n",
'From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu\n\n*thud*\n\n(see .sig)\n\n-- \n Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu\nHelp cleanse R.S.B of all mindless woofing! Whenever someone at your site posts\nan article with a subject of the form "MY TEAM R00LZ!!!!!!", simply look him up\nin the directory, hunt him down, and beat him senseless! Easy, fun, rewarding!\n',
'From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker)\nSubject: Re: SSPX schism ?\nOrganization: Shell Oil\nLines: 99\n\nIn article <Apr.17.01.11.35.1993.2284@geneva.rutgers.edu> jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes:\n>\n>[Descriptions of true and false obedience]\n>\n>Obedience is not solely a matter of compliance/refusal. The nature of\n>the commands must also be taken into account; it is not enough to\n>consider someone\'s compliance or refusal and then say whether they are\n>"obedient" or "disobedient". You also have to take into consideration\n>whether the commands are good or bad.\n\nYou ask where we are. I would echo that question. I\'m not trying to be\ncontentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction\nand authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions?\nWhat prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that\nPapal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time?\nThis is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically\nstood by the Pope.\n\nIt appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is\ndisagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over\nauthority and discipline. \n\nMy question to the supporters of SSPX is this:\n\n Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms\n could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that\n the Pope\'s position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX\n don\'t jointly make such choice.)\n\nIf not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority.\nIf I adopt the view that "I\'m NOT wrong, I CAN\'T be wrong, and\nthere\'s NO WAY I\'ll change my mind, YOU must change yours", that\nI\'ve either left the Catholic Church or it has left me.\n\nThe Orthodox Church does not recognize papal authority/jurisdiction\nviewing authority as present in each bishop, and in Ecumenical\nCouncils. We regard the subsequent development of the doctrines \nregarding papal authority and jurisdiction to be a separation of\nthe Bishop of Rome from the Orthodox church. Without going into\nthe merits of the Great Schism, at least the Orthodox agree that\na split occurred, and don\'t paly what appear to be semantic games\nlike "He\'s the Pope, but we don\'t recognize that what he does\nis effective...". Words aside, it appears to be a de facto split.\n\n>So where are we? Are we in another Arian heresy, complete with weak\n>Popes? Or are the SSPX priests modern Martin Luthers? Well, the only\n>way to answer that is to examine who is saying what, and what the\n>traditional teaching of the Church is.\n\nWe sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the "real"\ntraditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter\nEast and West would not have been separated for over 900 years.\n \n>Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some\n>soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually\n>some Pope *will* straighten all this out.\n\nI thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow\nerror in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.`\nI may be wrong here, I\'m not Roman Catholic. :-)\n\nWhat would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement\nregarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how\ndo you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility?\nAgain, I\'m not trying to be contentions, I\'m trying to understand.\nSince I\'m Orthodox, I\'ve got no real vested interest in the outcome,\none way or the other.\n\n>Schism is a superset of disobedience (refusal to obey a legitimate\n>command). All schismatics are disobedient. But it\'s a superset, so\n>it doesn\'t work the other way around: not all disobeyers are\n>schismatics. The mere fact that the SSPX priests don\'t comply with\n>the Holy Father\'s desires doesn\'t make them schismatics.\n\nIt does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the\nPope\'s commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope.\n \n> But my problem with this is\n>this: according to the traditional theology of Holy Orders, episcopal\n>consecration does not confer jurisdiction. It only confers the power\n>of Order: the ability to confect the Sacraments. \n\nTrue enough.\n\n> Jurisdiction must be\n>conferred by someone else with the power to confer it (such as the\n>Pope). The Society bishops, knowing the traditional theology quite\n>well, take great pains to avoid any pretence of jurisdiction over\n>anyone. They simply confer those Sacraments that require a bishop.\n\nOne could argue that they are establishing a non-geographic jurisdiction.\nI don\'t know if that\'s even a concept or problem in Catholic circles.\n \nLarry Overacker (llo@shell.com)\n-- \n-------\nLawrence Overacker\nShell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965\nllo@shell.com\n',
"From: doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons)\nSubject: 3D2 files - what are they?\nOrganization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]\nLines: 12\n\nI was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio\nmeshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found\na few files with the extension 3D2. My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type\nof file, so what are they?\n\nAnd of course, the perennial... Where are some meshes, fli files, etc.\nout there? I would have thought that someone would have collected a few\nand put them somewhere, but alas I am without this knowledge.\n\nmucho appreciato\n\ndouginoz.\n",
"From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)\nSubject: Re: Mel Hall\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes:\n>\n>Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't\n>with the Yankees any more. What happened to him?\n>\n>\t\t\t\tDoug Dolven\n>-- \n>Doug Dolven\n>warped@cs.montana.edu\n>gdd7548@trex.oscs.montana.edu\n\nMel Hall signed with a Japanese team.\n\n\n-Mike\n/mike@columbia.edu\n\n",
'From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck)\nSubject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves\nOrganization: My own node in Groningen, NL.\nLines: 34\n\nrenner@adobe.com (John Renner) writes:\n\n> In article <19930420.090030.915@almaden.ibm.com> capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Ca\n> >In <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl> Ferdinand Oeinck writes:\n> >>I\'m looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double\n> >>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n> >\n> >See:\n> > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,\n> > "A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves",\n> > ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163.\n> \n> I\'ve used that reference, and found that I needed to go to their\n> original tech report:\n> \n> \tMaureen Stone and Tony DeRose,\n> \t"Characterizing Cubic Bezier Curves"\n> \tXerox EDL-88-8, December 1988\n> \n\nFirst, thanks to all who replied to my original question.\n\nI\'ve implemented the ideas from the article above and I\'m very satisfied\nwith the results. I needed it for my bezier curve approximation routine.\nIn some cases (generating offset curves) loops can occur. I now have a\nfast method of detecting the generation of a curve with a loop. Although\nI did not follow the article above strictly. The check if the fourth control\npoint lies in the the loop area, which is bounded by two parabolas and\none ellips is too complicated. Instead I enlarged the loop-area and\nsurrounded it by for straight lines. The check is now simple and fast and\nmy approximation routine never ever outputs self-intersecting bezier curves\nagain!\nFerdinand.\n\n',
"From: marcbg@feenix.metronet.com (Marc Grant)\nSubject: Adult Chicken Pox\nOrganization: Tx Metronet Communications Services, Dallas Tx\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 13\n\nI am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted\nfrom my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies\nall over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's\noffice says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true?\n\nIs there any medications which can promote healing of the pox? Speed up\nhealing? Please e-mail replies, and thanks in advance.\n\n-- \n|Marc Grant | Internet: marcbg@feenix.metronet.com |\n|POB 850472 | Amateur Radio Station N5MEI |\n|Richardson, TX 75085| Voice/Fax: 214-231-3998 |\n - .... .- - ... .- .-.. .-.. ..-. --- .-.. -.- ...\n",
'From: rahdert@thrombus.seas.upenn.edu (Dave Rahdert)\nSubject: Ticket: San Francisco => Philadelphia\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Dept. of Mechanical Engineering and Applied Mechanics\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: thrombus.seas.upenn.edu\n\n\nOne way ticket (return leg of roundtrip ticket) for female traveler\n\n\n\nSan Francisco ==> St. Louis ==> Philadelphia\n\n\nMay 21, 1993 (Friday) leaves SFO 10:25 am\n arrives Phila. 8:43 pm\n\n\n\n.............$150 or best offer\n\n\n\n\nreturn E-mail or call 215/387-0203 (home) \n 215/898-8099 (office)\n',
"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)\nSubject: Re: Change of name ??\nReply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu\nOrganization: The Group W Bench\nLines: 15\n\nIn <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes:\n\n>\t1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or \n>\ttalk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY\n\n>\t2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..\n\nWhat does this <censored> from NORWAY think he's doing telling us\nhow to run the place? I wanna know... somebody please 'splain.\n\nGuess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich? Give you a hint,\nit wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it....\n\nGlenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)\nwearer of asbestos underoos\n",
"From: jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca\nSubject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?\nLines: 26\nOrganization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.020359.26996@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:\n>> > Can these questions be answered for a previous\n>> > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting?\n> \n>> Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files)\n>> p(au) 3.424346\n>> e 0.151899\n>> i 1.0988\n>> cap_omega(0) 243.5652\n>> W(0) 231.1607\n>> epoch 1977.04110\n> \n> \n>> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were:\n>> \n>> April 1973 83 jupiter radii\n>> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii\n> \n> Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the\n> 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove.\n> Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well?\n> -- \nSorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language.\n\nJohn Garland\njgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca\n",
'From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: University of South Africa\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <Apr.11.01.02.46.1993.17799@athos.rutgers.edu> mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) writes:\n\n>belief that their faith is total truth. According to them,\n>their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of\n>God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance\n>makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own\n>hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way.\n>Their way is the \'truth.\'\n>\n>But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe\n>a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason,\n>but it seems to me a choice.\n>\n>My discussions with some Christians remind me of schoolyard\n>discussions when I was in grade school:\n>\n>A kid would say, "All policemen are jerks!" I\'d ask, "How do\n>you know?" "Because my daddy told me so!" "How do you know\n>you\'re daddy is right?" "He says he\'s always right!"\n>\n>Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end,\n>aren\'t we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have\n>the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as\n>false?\n\nI find this argument very strange, though not unfamiliar.\n\nAn analogy someone used a while back can perhaps illustrate it.\n\nSay, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group \nof geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on \nthe island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on \nthe island is given the task of warning others of the danger.\n\nThey believe the danger is real, but others may not. \n\nDoes that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning \nothers of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs \nare correct, and all others are false?\n\nSome might indeed react to opposition with arrogance, and behave in an \narrogant manner, but that is a personal idiocyncracy. It does not \nnecessarily mean that they are all arrogant.\n\n\n============================================================\nSteve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department\nUniv. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa\nInternet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za\n steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org\n stephen.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org\n',
'From: rbacalzo@quasar.sierra.com (Roger Bacalzo)\nSubject: Victoria, B.C. Hotel Room $40/2 nights\nArticle-I.D.: sierra.1993Apr20.162758.11363\nOrganization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc. Kirkland, WA\nLines: 27\n\nVictoria Hotel Reserv. 2 nights $40\n\nMID-WEEK (Sun - Thurs) Hotel reservation available for Victoria, Canada.\n2 nights/3 days for $40. Expires June 1, 1993.\n\nThis is a LETTER OF CREDIT (fully transferrable) issued by HOTELCO for\na hotel room in any of a number of available hotels in Victoria, Canada.\nHOTELCO is a reputable hotel booking company that provides hotel stays at \nlow prices. This LETTER OF CREDIT normally works for weekends, too, but\nall weekends are booked solid for the summer.\n\nSo, check with HOTELCO directly for available dates at one of its member\nhotels to use this LETTER OF CREDIT before June 1. HOTELCO can be reached \nat (206)485-5200 in Bothell or 1-800-645-8885 during regular business hours.\n\nThen, if you find an acceptable reservation date, contact me for this\nLETTER OF CREDIT.\n\nRoger Bacalzo\nrbacalzo@sierra.com\n(206)828-9094 (home)\n(206)822-5200 x360 (work)\n-- \nRoger Bacalzo\nSierra Geophysics\t\n11255 Kirkland Way \t(206) 822-5200 ext. 360\nKirkland, WA 98033\t\trbacalzo@sibu.sierra.com\n',
'From: bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton)\nSubject: Re: Americans and Evolution\nOrganization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology\nLines: 122\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thnext.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.163738.2447@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> \nsimon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes:\n[deleted]\n> \n> ... over on alt.atheism we tend to recognise two\n> categories of atheism. Function format due to mathew@mantis.co.uk, I \nthink:\n> \n> (i) weak - not(believe(gods))\n> \n> (ii) strong - believe(not(gods))\n> \n[deleted]\n> \n> \n> \n> I ... am [a strong atheist], and I must quibble with your assertion \n> that the `strong\' position requires faith. I believe that no god/s, \n> as commonly described by theists, exist. This belief is merely an \n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> opinion, formed on the basis of observation, including a certain \n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> amount of introspection.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> \n> I fully accept that I could be wrong, and will be swayed by suitably\n> convincing evidence. Thus while I believe that no gods exist, this does\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> not imply *faith* on my part that it is so.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nLet me first say that "to believe that no gods exist" is in fact \ndifferent than "not believing in a god or gods". \n\nI will argue that your latter statement, "I believe that no gods exist"\ndoes rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement \nthat "no gods exist" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don\'t \nknow and therefore don\'t believe in them and don\'t NOT believe in then\n(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than saying \nI BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the position, even \nafter reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires faith.\n\nBut first let me say the following.\nWe might have a language problem here - in regards to "faith" and\n"existence". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist.\nTo exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE\nbeing - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not\nexist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it\'s rather pointless\nto debate the so called "existence" of God - and that is not what\nI\'m doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of\nbeing. When you say that "god does not exist", I also accept this\nstatement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However,\nin what follows I will use the phrase "the existence of God" in it\'s\n\'usual sense\' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it.\nI would like a clarification upon what you mean by "the existence of\nGod".\n \nWe also might differ upon what it means to have faith. Here is what\nWebster says:\n\nfaith \n1a: allegiance to duty or a person: LOYALTY\nb (1): fidelity to one\'s promises\n (2): sincerity of intentions\n2a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God\n (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion\nb (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n (2): complete trust\n3: something that is believed esp. with strong conviction; esp: a system \n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nof religious beliefs\nsyn see BELIEF\n\n\n\nOne can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say\nthat you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion\n"based upon observation", I will have to ask "what observtions are\nyou refering to?" There are NO observations - pro or con - that\nare valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. All observations\ncan only point you in a direction - a direction that we might even\nbe predisposed to (by predisposed I mean, for example, people whoes \npartents "believe in God" also tend to). To actually draw a conclusion\nabout the "existence" or "non-existence" of God requires a leap - and\nyou have made this leap when you actively say "I believe that God \ndoes/does not exist". Personally, I think that both statements are\nmisguided. Arguing over the "existence" of God is precisely the wrong way\nto find Him (and yes, I use "Him" because a personal God is the only \nviable concept (IMO) - if a person wants to use "She" go ahead. Of course \nGod is neither He nor She - but we have no choice but to \nanthropomorphise. If you want me to explain myself further I\'ll be \nglad to.) \n\n\n\nAnd please, if someone does not agree with me - even if they violently \ndisagree - it\'s in no ones advantage to start name calling. If a person \nthinks I\'ve misunderstood something in the FAQs, or if they they think \nI have not read them well enough, just point out to me the error of my \nways and I correct the situation. I\'m interested in a polite and well \nthought out discussion.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n> Cheers\n> \n> Simon\n> -- \n> Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk\n> Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296\n> University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714\n> Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K.\n\n--\nbob singleton\nbobs@thnext.mit.edu\n',
'From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill)\nSubject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?\nOrganization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]\nLines: 35\n\nBrian Kendig (bskendig@netcom.com) wrote:\n: \n: Can you please point to something, anything, that proves to me that\n: the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact\n: the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes?\n: \n: Can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very\n: cleverly-constructed fable, and that it does indeed have some bearing\n: on my own personal day-to-day life?\n\nWould you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the\nevents surrounding Jesus\' life?\n\n\n 2Pe 1 16 ¶ We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you\n about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were \n eyewitnesses of his majesty.\n\n 2Pe 1 17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the\n voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom \n I love; with him I am well pleased."¹\n\n 2Pe 1 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we\n were with him on the sacred mountain.\n\n 2Pe 1 19 ¶ And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and\n you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark\n place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.\n\nThis is a documented testimony. Perhaps further research on your part is\nwarranted before making more statements. There is considerably more to study\nin Peters\' two books of testimony regarding the Messiah. It is well worth \nyour time, Mr. Brian.\n\nJim Burrill\n',
'From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan)\nSubject: $ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE\n \nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 17\n\n\n\n\n\n My friend brought a subaru SVX recently. I had drove it for couples times and I\nthink its a great car, esp on snow. However when she took it to a local Subaru\ndealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars. The dealer\ntold us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to\ndisassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour.\nAt first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto\nbut found out the they are charging roughly the same price. So is there any\nSVX owner out there that has the same problem ? And if the oil change story is\ntrue, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car\nlooks great.\n\nSWD Wan.\n\n',
"From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)\nSubject: Re: Insurance discount\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: palm21\nOrganization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\nErik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote:\n: Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They\n: do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of \n\nProgressive offers multi-vehicle discounts.\nGood prices too IMHO.\n\ntony\n--\nTony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant)\nCMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division\nCray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121\n",
'From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il\nSubject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness.\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem\nLines: 165\n\nIn article <1483500342@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n>\n> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n> Subject: From Israeli press. Madness.\n>\n> /* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */\n> /* ---------- "From Israeli press. Madness." ---------- */\n> FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS.\n>\n> Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv\'s time). Friday local Tel Aviv\'s\n> paper, affiliated with Maariv.\n>\n> Date: 19 February 1993\n>\n> Journalist: Guy Ehrlich\n>\n> Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan\n> (Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate\n> within the occupied territories.\n>\n> Excerpts from the article:\n>\n> "A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as\n> Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most\n> important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is\n> that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one\n> way or another insane".\n\n\nGee, I\'d better tell this to the Mental Health Branch of the Israeli Army\nMedical Corps ! Where would we be without you, Davidson ?\n\n\n\n\n\n>\n> A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name\n> is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge\n> from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be\n> called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to\n> depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different\n> from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript\n> service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely\n> different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures\n> about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their\n> fellows from the Cherry it woundn\'t be easy either. Yet after they\n> began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking.\n> The following article will contain all the horror stories\n> recounted with an appalling openness.\n>\n> (...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in\n> which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We\n> called such soldiers H.I. \'Hit by the Intifada\'. Under my command\n> was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common\n> phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I\n> should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On\n> Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to\n> until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The\n> keys of my father\'s car must be ready for in advance, so that I\n> can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don\'t\n> want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it\n> instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time\n> and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only\n> there I become normal.(...)\n>\n> (...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother.\n> It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to\n> me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which\n> was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how\n> exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began\n> to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh\n> straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a\n> mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov\n> cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as\n> they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with\n> the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I\n> was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the\n> Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit\n> him straight in his ass. We both felt that we\'d pulled off\n> something.\n>\n> Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts\n> in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that\n> spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab,\n> blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: \'Shut\n> up\' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed\n> straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at\n> something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: \'All\n> right, wait a moment\'. I left him in order to take a look at\n> another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be\n> saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the\n> help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all\n> this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight\n> into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt\n> I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he\n> omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over\n> her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn\'t know\n> what to say.\n>\n> (...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls\n> upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a\n> field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend\n> shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the\n\n\nSigh.\n\nFour (4) deer in Tel Aviv ?? Well, this is probably as accurate as the rest of\nthis fantasy.\n\n\n\n\n\n> hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it.\n> We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two\n> deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we\n> saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to\n> such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully\n> inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of\n> the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We\n> had hit\'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too,\n> so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my\n> revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short\n> distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the\n> bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall\n> outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of\n> blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our\n> madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like\n> beasts of prey. We couldn\'t explain what had happened to us. We\n> were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we\n> felt the whole day very badly.\n>\n> (...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in.\n> This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may\n> be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel\n> Godlike of sorts."\n>\n> (...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment\n> studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any\n> security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. \'Why\n> shouldn\'t I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ?\n> Why shouldn\'t I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver\n> while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits\n> me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a\n> reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to\n> Bosnia in order to fight there."\n>\n> Transl. by Israel Shahak.\n>\n\nYisrael Shahak the crackpot chemist ? Figures. I often see him in the\nRechavia (Jerusalem) post office. A really sad figure. Actually, I feel sorry\nfor him. He was in a concentration camp during the Holocaust and it must have\naffected him deeply.\n\n\n\n\nJosh\nbackon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL\n\n\n\n',
'From: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: Mass General Hospital CIPR \nLines: 35\n\nIn article <C5H74z.9v4@crdnns.crd.ge.com> meltsner@crd.ge.com writes:\n>\n>\n>I wouldn\'t call it a double-blind, but one local restaurant\'s soup\n>provokes an impressive migraine headache for my wife -- that one\n>take-out and no other... \n\nNothing unisual.\nQuote:\n"\nChinese Restaurant Syndrome (CRS):\na transient syndrome, associated with arterial dilatation, due to ingestion\nof monosodium glutamate, which is used liberally in seasoning chinese\nfood; it is characterized by throbbing of the head, lightheadedness,\ntightness of the jaw, neck and shoulders, and bachache.\n"\nEnd quote.\nSource: Dorland\'s Illustrated Medical Dictionary, 27th edition, 1988, W.B. Saunders, p 1632.\n\nThis was known long ago. Brain produces and uses some MSG naturally,\nbut not in doses it is served at some chinese places. \nHaving said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance\nflavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places,\nI order food without MSG. Goos places will do it for you.\nA prerequisite for such a service would be a waiter, capable of\nunderstanding, what you want.\n\n\nGood Luck.\n\n\nam\n-- \nAlexander M. Milshteyn M.D. <milsh@cipr-server.mgh.harvard.edu>\nCIPR, MGH in Boston, MA. (617)724-9507 Vox (617)726-7830 Fax\n',
'Organization: City University of New York\nFrom: Harold Zazula <DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>\nSubject: Octopus in Detroit?\nLines: 9\n\nI was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an\noctopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives?\n(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?)\n-------\nNot Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!!\n\nHarold Zazula\ndlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu\nhzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu\n',
'Subject: Re: Don\'t fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !\nFrom: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason \'Think!\' Steiner)\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 25\n\nMarc Thibault (marc@tanda.isis.org) writes:\n> (The Jester) writes: \n\n> > Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk\n> > space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your\n> > computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly\n> > messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin\n\n> This sounds like a version Unix. Solaris?\n\nas someone who just lived through a switch from SunOS4.x.x. to\nSolaris, i\'ll heartily agree with this. \n\nObCrypt: one of my main gripes with Solaris is its braindead mailx,\nwhich is -almost- enough like mail to get you hoping, but crashes\nhorribly when you try to do anything useful with it. (like use pgp-\ncapable sendmail replacements.)\n\njason\n\n--\n "I stood up on my van. I yelled, `Excuse me, sir. Ain\'t nothing wrong\n with this country that a few plastic explosives won\'t cure!\'"\n - Steve Taylor, I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good\n`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`\n',
'From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)\nSubject: Brendan McKay Clarifies the Nazi Racial Theory\nOrganization: Cirrus Logic Inc.\nLines: 59\n\n\nOnly Brendan McKay, or maybe ARF, would come to the rescue of Nazi\nracial theory. Is it distressing Brendan? The point is that any\neugenic solution to the Jewish Problem as Elias has proposed smacks\nof pure Nazism. The fact that Elias\' proposal cast the entire "problem"\nas one of the abnormal presence of Israeli society in the Middle East,\nand that he buried a slam against U.S. aid to Israel in the midst of\nhis "even-handed" solution of the Jewish Question, made it obvious what \nhe had in mind: disolving the Jewish polity. That *is* a Nazi doctrine:\nrectification of the "abnormal presence" of the Jewish people within a \nlarger body politic. Whether your "solution" involves gas, monetary \nincentives to the poor Jews to marry out, or as Feisal Husseini has \nsaid, "disolve the Zionist entity by forcing it to engage the normal \nsurrounding Arab culture," you are engaged in a Nazi project.\n\nJust as obvious is your statement: "I will not comment on the value\nor lack of value of Elias\'s proposal." Still striking the glancing\nblow, right Brendan? You could easily see where he was going, but you\n"will not comment." So, you are complicitous.\n\nWhat is your fascination with Nazi racial theory, anyway?\n\n-- Chris Metcalfe ("someone else")\n\n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.175022.15543@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes:\n\n>>>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.\n>>>---------------------------------------------------------- by\n>>>\t\t\t Elias Davidsson\n>>>\n>>>5. The emergence of a considerable number of \'mixed\'\n>>>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on\n>>>\'both sides\' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its\n>>>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a\n>>>truly civil society. The existence of a strong \'mixed\' stock of\n>>>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the\n>>\n>> Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.\n>\n>Someone else said something similar. I will not comment on the\n>value or lack of value of Elias\'s "proposal". I just want to say\n>that it is very distressing that at least two people here are\n>profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine. They were NOT\n>like Elias\'s idea, they were more like the opposite. \n>\n>Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation. An \n>instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies. According to \n>Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race. They were persecuted,\n>and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were\n>considered not pure Gypsies but "mongrels" formed from the pure Gypsy \n>race and other undesirable races. This was the key difference between \n>the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way. It is also \n>true that towards the end of WWII even the "purist" Gypsies were \n>hunted down as the theory was forgotten.\n>\n>Brendan.\n>(email: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au)\n',
'From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford)\nSubject: Ryno correction\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\n\nI made a mistake on the posted article [been fighting food\npoisoning for last 24 hours...]\n\nThe second paragraph should state the following...\n\n"Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball\non a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand."\n\nSorry for the error, didn\'t know it until after posting.\n\nJeffery\n\n',
'From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle)\nSubject: Re: UHC SVR4.0.3.6 forsale..\nKeywords: UHC, SVR4\nOrganization: TRW Denver Operations\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <C5I0rs.Kzo@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:\n>darylm@illian.mnet.com (Daryl V. McDaniel) writes:\n\n ...\n\n>\n>considering the conversation about UHC on the net, I wouldn\'t say $1K is\n>a good deal -- considering the package is inflated in price to start with\n>\n>-- \n>Larry Snyder \n>larry@gator.rn.com\n\n\nWhat problems have you had with UHC? I have been using their OS for 2 years\nand have had very few problems.\n-- \nEddie D. Tuggle, etuggle@dora.auc.trw.com | "There is nothing either good or \nTRW Denver Operations | bad, but thinking makes it so."\n16201 Centretech Pky / Aurora, CO 80011 | -- SHAKESPEARE\nVoice: 303.360.4001 FAX: 303.360.4133 |\n',
'From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)\nSubject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?\nReply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bell Communications Research\nLines: 1\nNntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com\n\nI guess that makes Altima the most generic car in the US.\n',
"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <bontchev.735404289@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:\n>andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:\n>\n>> methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,''\n>> Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict\n>> controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration\n>> of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug\n>> dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the\n>> approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground\n>> economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who\n>> live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.''\n>\n>And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the\n>Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the\n>civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist\n>- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's\n>another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the\n>communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is\n>(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course,\n>explaining them how much better the situation is now...\n>\n>In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and\n>fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already\n>too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been\n>violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of\n>this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad...\n>\n\n\tI'm definitely going to write my Congressman, and nobody's ever\ngoing to make me respect a law that violates my freedom of speech, and\nif the feds try to enforce this law on me, I will protect my freedoms, with\nforce if it ever comes to that. (Hopefully, it won't)\n\nDoug Holland\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Doug Holland | Anyone who tries to take away my freedom |\n| holland@cs.colostate.edu | of speech will have to pry it from my |\n| PGP key available by E-mail | cold, dead lips!! |\n",
"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Israel's Expansion\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\n \nLines: 31\n\n>because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the\n>Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation.\n>\n>\n>Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the\n>negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf\n>they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else.\n>\n\n>\n>Phill Hallam-Baker \n\nOh, why do you expose your ignorance? The US has been running on debt for \nthe past four generations and has still financed what it pleases.\n\nAnd after the Gulf War, Israel could do whatever it wanted after\nnot decimating Iraq after the Scud attacks. It was encouraged, but\nby no means forced, to negotiate.\n\nMr. Baker, to address all of your points would be impossible, but in a \nnutshell, it is hypocritical for you to attack Israel's presence in\nLebanon without attacking Syria. Syrian occupation has been hostile,\nand amounts to annexation. Israel's is clearly defensive. If it \nwere not defensive, you would see all of Lebanon occupied, and governed by\nIsrael. But that is not what Israel wants.\n\n\nPete\n\n\n\n",
"From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nNntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu\nOrganization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas\nLines: 30\n\n>How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus?\n\nBy initiating a DMA xfer. :)\n\nSeriously, busmastering adapter have their own DMA ability, they don't use\nthe motherboards on-board DMA(which is *MUCH* slower).\n\nISA has no bus arbitration, so if two busmastering cards in 1 ISA system\ntry to do DMA xfers on the same DMA channel the system will lock or \ncrash.(I forget)\n\nTheir are 8 DMA channels in an ISA system. 0-7. 0-3 are 8-bit & 4-7 are\n16-bit.\n\nThe system uses DMA 0, a SoundBlaster uses DMA 1.\n\nI could buy a busmastering XGA-2 video card & a busmastering SCSI HA.\n\nIn order for them to work properly, I would have to find out what DMA\nchannel the XGA-2 card uses and then simply configure the SCSI HA to\nuse a different DMA channel for its DMA xfers.\n\nI don't know if multiple DMA xfers can go on at the same time on ISA.\nI'm not sure if they can on EISA systems either.\n\nI do know that on EISA/MCA systems, you can allow BM cards to use the\nsame DMA channel.\n\nThanks.\n\n",
"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)\nSubject: Darrrrrrrrryl\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 64\n\n\n\nThe media is beating the incident at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday to\ndeath, but I haven't seen anything in rsb yet.\n\nGerald Perry of the Cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two\non and his club down by a run. He stroked a line drive into the\nright field corner. The ball cleared the three-foot high fence and\nwent into the crowd. Darryl, racing over from right center, got to\nthe spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence, but he\nmissed the ball. A fan sitting in the front row, wearing a mitt,\nreached up and caught the ball. Home run.\n\nNow I've seen the replay several times and I have concluded that\nDarryl missed the ball, and that the fan's glove was essentially\nbehind Darryl's. Several Dodger fans with seats in the immediate\nvicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with\nStrawberry. What cannot be disputed, however, is that the fan\nwho caught the ball never took his eye off it; he was oblivious\nto where the fielder was playing. He was also quite exuberant as\nsoon as he realized he had made the catch.\n\nThat exuberance disappeared immediately, however, when Strawberry\nwent into a tirade at the man. All reports indicate he used a lot\nof profanity and accused the man of interference, and therefore of\ncosting the Dodgers a game. Shortly afterwards other fans hurled\nfood and beverages toward the man who made the catch. Dodger Stadium\nofficials started to remove him from the park, but then relented and\njust relocated him to another area. In an interview after the game,\nLasorda blamed the fan for the loss. Strawberry also went into a\ntirade about how the fans are stupid and they don't care about \nwinning. L.A. Times columnists similarly blasted the man who made\nthe catch.\n\nBefore each Dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech\nwherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that\nare hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any \nthat are in the field of play. Was the fan wrong? Should he have\nbeen more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility\nof interference? Or was he human and just reacting? By the way, he\nis a season ticket holder and on his request the Dodgers have relocated\nhis seats to another area of the Stadium where future interference is\nimpossible.\n\nOthers have questioned why Darryl should be so concerned with what\nthe fan did when he has a grand total of 1 rbi through the first\nnine games.\n\nI question what he was doing in right center with a left-handed pull\nhitter up and the game on the line. Had he been closer to the play,\nhe certainly would have had a much better chance of catching the ball.\n\nBut I guess the big debate continues as to what are the responsibilities\nof the fan.\n\n\n\n--\tThe Beastmaster\n\n\n\n-- \nMark Singer \nmss@netcom.com\n",
"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)\nSubject: Re: Am I going to Hell?\nOrganization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI\nLines: 32\n\ntbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:\n\n>I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but \n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nSo you believe in the existance of One creator I assume.\n\n\n>definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion\n>about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the\n>effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus \n>as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew,\n>buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not\n>believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be \n>lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only\n>god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.\n\nOk, god has the disclaimer, reserves the right to judge individual\ncases. If we believe him to be loving, then we also believe him to be\nable to serve justice to all. Don't worry if a Jew, or athiest is\ngoing to heaven or hell, for that is god to judge (although truly\nif you were concerned you could only worry abput those who refuse to\nbelieve/satisfy gods decrees) as much as keeping yourself straight.\nIf you see something going on that is wrong, discuss it and explore it\nbefore making summary judgement. People have enough free will to choose\nfor themselves, so don't force choices on them, just inform them\nof what they're choices are. God will take care of the rest in his justice.\n\n>Thanks,\n>-Tim\n--\nMohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu\nAfter July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu\n",
"From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (I don't know who discovered water, but it wasn't no fish - Marshall McCluhan)\nSubject: waco conflagration - precedents?\nLines: 15\n\n\nburning yourself alive seems a rough way to go, given the waco bunch\nhad other choices.\n\nbut it reminded me of the russian old-believers who, thinking the\nantichrist was coming in 1666, grew frantic when Peter the Great \nstarted westernizing Russia and reforming the Russian Church a few\nyears later. They locked themselves in their churches and burned\nthemselves alive by the thousands. \n\nare there other cases of apocalypse-obsessed christians resorting\nto self-imolation? is there a history of precedents?\n\n andrew.\n\n",
'Subject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book\nFrom: juhan@piko (Juhan Poldvere)\nOrganization: Tartu University, Department of Chemistry\nNntp-Posting-Host: piko.chem.ut.ee\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 17\nLines: 17\n\nIn <C5GIA7.7x9@acsu.buffalo.edu> NEIL B. GANDLER \n (v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:\n\n:> I am an electrical engineering student and its a must that I get familiar\n:> with spice. I have been using it and getting used to it but it would\n:> be great to have a good reference manual that explains everything in an\n:> organized and concise. I current have "A guide to circuit simulation &\n:> Analysis using spice". I feel it has the information is just randomly placed\n:> in the book and its not easy to look up small things when you just\n:> need a good reference book. I would appreciate any info. Thanks\n\nThere is a postscript manual at ic.berkeley.edu in pub/spice3/um.3f.ps\ndirectory (about 650kbytes, 126 pages).\n--\nJuhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | juhan@chem.ut.ee\nTartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440\n2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429\n',
'From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)\nSubject: Re: DC-X update???\nOrganization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <schumach.734984753@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:\n\n>Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or "as-will-be") for use\n>as a reuseable sounding rocket?\n\nDC-X as is today isn\'t suitable for this. However, the followon SDIO\nfunds will. A reusable sounding rocket was always SDIO\'s goal.\n\n>Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the\n>bastard Son of NLS.\n\nSo did I. There is a lot going on now and some reports are due soon \nwhich should be very favorable. The insiders have been very bush briefing\nthe right people and it is now paying off.\n\nHowever, public support is STILL critical. In politics you need to keep\nconstant pressure on elected officials.\n\n Allen\n\n-- \n+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |\n| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |\n+----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+\n',
'From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 26\n\nvic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) writes:\n> Our Moderator writes:\n> \n> > I\'m inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as \n> > indicating annihilation. However that\'s a minority view.\n> ...\n> > It\'s my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold \n> > it officially are the JW\'s and SDA\'s.\n> \n> I can\'t find the reference right now, but didn\'t C.S.Lewis speculate \n> somewhere that hell might be "the state of once having been a human \n> soul"?\nWhy is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure\nfrom punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and\nhis angels.\n\nTo the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with\nthe fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible\nteaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their\njudgement is soon to come.\n\nLet me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory\nshould provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away\nfrom human theories, and only take into account references in the bible.\n\nDarius\n',
'From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer)\nSubject: The state of justice\nOrganization: ACME Products\nLines: 23\nSummary: GM\'s quest for justice\n\n\tA judge denied GM\'s new trial motion, even though GM says it has two\nnew witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not\nfrom the fire.\n\n\tThoughts?\n\n\tIt\'s kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start\ndenying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led\nto the previous ruling appear.\n\n\tOr has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? \nShouldn\'t that be up to a jury?\n\n\tAnd what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk\nshows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn\'t that be enough for\na judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial?\n\n\tWhatever happened to jurors having to be objective?\n\nBrett\n________________________________________________________________________________\n\t"There\'s nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an\nintellectual conviction." Sean O\'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.\n',
'From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)\nSubject: Re: Opinions asked about rejection\nOrganization: National Association for the Disorganized\nLines: 23\n\n\n Here\'s how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell.\n\nME:\t"Do you believe you\'re going to Heaven?"\nHIM:\t"I don\'t believe in Heaven."\nME:\t"So are you going there?"\nHIM:\t"If there was a heaven, I would."\nME:\t"But since there isn\'t a Heaven, you\'re not going there, are you?"\nHIM:\t"No."\n\n The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don\'t believe in heaven,\nthere\'s no way you\'re going to be in it.\n Of course, the next step is, "I don\'t believe in Hell either, so why will I\nbe there?" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God.\nMost atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never\nsee God--so they do, in fact, believe that they\'re going to Hell.\n Hell doesn\'t have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it\'s eternal, \nand it\'s a lot worse than Heaven. That\'s the only comparison that matters.\n\nAlan Terlep\t\t\t\t "Incestuous vituperousness"\nOakland University, Rochester, MI\t\t\t\natterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu\t\t\t\t --Melissa Eggertsen\nRushing in where angels fear to tread.\t\t\n',
'From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 12\n\nGeneral question: Since the world was discovered to be\nround, the definition of Saturday is, if not ambiguous,\nat least arbitrary. How would someone answer this?\n\nAlso, when the calendar was changed (Gregorian to Julian?)\nwas the day of the week changed or just the date? Once again\nthis points to the arbitrariness of the days.\n\nChris Mussack\n\n[When calendars change, there is no change in the 7-day weekly cycle,\njust months and dates. --clh]\n',
"From: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop)\nSubject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor\nOrganization: Physics Department, FSU\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS \nReply-To: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu\nLines: 26\n\n>In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:\n>>\n>>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver?\n>>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently\n>>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered\n>>if anyone else had seen this.\n>>\n\n>As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers.\n>It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute\n>or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I\n>susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded\n>a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted.\n>Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components.\n>It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well,\n>I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it\n>before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here\n>usually are far more in the know.\n\nI use the Diamond SpeedStar 24X in 1024X768X256 mode all of the time. I \nhave NOT found distortions in the cursor. The cursor is a little jumpy \nfrom time to time (due to 32 bit access to the swap file), but it is never \ndistorted.\n\nGreg Bishop. (bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu)\n\n",
'From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)\nSubject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City\nOrganization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory\nLines: 25\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov\n\nIn article <C5rHoC.Fty@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes:\n> I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in \n> connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don\'t \n> rember where I heard this, but I\'m fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. \n> Anyone else know anything on this angle?\n\nThe General Chairman is Paul Bialla, who is some official of General\nDynamics.\n\nThe emphasis seems to be on a scaled-down, fast plan to put *people*\non the Moon in an impoverished spaceflight-funding climate. You\'d\nthink it would be a golden opportunity to do lots of precusor work for\nmodest money using an agressive series of robot spacecraft, but\nthere\'s not a hint of this in the brochure.\n\n> Hrumph. They didn\'t send _me_ anything :(\n\nYou\'re not hanging out with the Right People, apparently.\n\nBill Higgins, Beam Jockey | "I\'m gonna keep on writing songs\nFermilab | until I write the song\nBitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | that makes the guys in Detroit\nInternet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | who draw the cars\nSPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | put tailfins on \'em again."\n --John Prine\n',
"From: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Richard Cook)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario, London\nNntp-Posting-Host: server.gfx.engga.uwo.ca\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n>\n>Greetings!\n> \n> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't\n> know the number of the line. And I don't want\n> to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n>\n> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can\n> use to find out the number to the line?\n> Thanks for any response.\n> Al\n>\n> \n\n\nHow about calling someone with the Caller ID service and have them call you back\nwith the number?\n\n-- \n\nRichard Cook (519) 641-1985 E-mail: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca\nElect. Eng. FAX\t(519) 661-3488\n",
'From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)\nSubject: Re: Non-turbo speed\nOrganization: The University of Western Australia\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nNic Percival (x5336) (nmp@mfltd.co.uk) wrote:\n: \n: Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too.\n: One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz\n: - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its\n: 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button\n: that turns it into a skateboard.\n: \n: Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of\n: turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of\n: about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off.\n: \n: Cheers,\n: \n\nIt should be halved that of turbo (ie 33Mhz).\n\n',
"From: msbendts@mtu.edu (BENDTSEN)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: Michigan Technological University\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 37\n\nsp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen) writes:\n: Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need.\n: \n: I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. \n: The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows.\n: \n: I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. \n: \n: Do I find it on any FTP host?\n: \n: Svein\n\nWell, in the latest Windows magazine, there is an advertisement for a program\nthat will help you uninstall windows apps from your harddisk (Uninstaller)\nbut it can be used to update a network, but only for deleting, not adding\nor changing their *.ini files. (Uninstaller, by MicroHelp Inc. $79\n1-800-922-3383)\n\nI am also looking for an *.ini updater for my PC network, and so far without\nany luck. So for the time being I have been pushing DOS and it's batch\nlanguage to its limit...look into DOS 5.0's (I am assumming that DOS 6.0\nhas the same command, maybe even more..or less..improved) REPLACE command.\nI use this to update our users personal files with a master set in a batch\nfile that is run everytime they invoke Windows. This basically overwrites\ntheir color schemes, but does what I need it to do. Not neat, but does\nthe job...I'm looking for a better solution though.\n\nMike\n\nJust relaying what I know...a not for profit service.\n\n\n-- \n___________________________________________________________________________\n Mike Bendtsen (msbendts @ mtu.edu)\n 740 Elm St. Apt#4 CCLI Senior Technical Consultant\n Hancock, MI 49930 Michigan Technological University\n",
"From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 25\n\nnhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes:\n>\n>From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive\n>device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking\n>up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would\n>be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of\n>detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. \n>\n\nUnfortunately, you're wrong on both counts. The most common method of\nimplementing a tunable receiver is to have a local oscillator. The\nlocal oscillator's frequency can be radiated out of the receiver via\nthe antenna unless the circuit is designed and constructed with great\ncare.\n\nFor a reference on detecting radios, get the paperback book _Spy Catcher_.\nThe author discovered how to detect radio receivers from their local\noscillator emissions back in the *1950s* while he worked for British\nIntelligence.\n\n -Greg\n-- \n::::::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews gerg@netcom.com :::::::::::::::::::\nFortune Cookie: Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.\n:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n",
"From: gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Gloege)\nSubject: OTTOMENU ... Where Can I Get it ?\nOriginator: gloege@hphalle0a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de\nOrganization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany\nLines: 22\n\n\n\nI've heard about Ottomenu which should be a good desktop\non Windows 3.0/3.1 . \nCan anybody tell me where I can get it ?\nIt should be on CICA in /pub/pc/win3/util but it is not.\n\nIt is also not an WUSTL,SIMTEL and a great number of other\nsites.\n\nJust post it or mail me.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\t\t\t\tAndreas Gloege\n\t\t\tKazmaierstr.48 (bei Klarmann)\n\t\t\t\t8000 Muenchen 2\n\t\t\t\t 089/508336\n\t\t email : gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\n",
'Subject: ==> MS Windows Sound System, Text to Speach?\nFrom: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcsc02.gov.bc.ca\nLines: 4\n\nHi all News Group users:\nDoes anyone know whether there is some software which will let one do\nText to Speach like the Sound Blaster does?\nHal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca\n',
'From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)\nSubject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA\nOrganization: Malaspina College\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <boora.735182771@sfu.ca>, boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes:\n> \tWas the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the\n> way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped\n> to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question\n> is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the \n> ABC coverage for its own?\n> \n> \n\nHere in Nanaimo (on Vancouver Island, for you furriners out there) we\ngot the ABC coverage on KOMO. It probably depends on your cable company.\n\nI started off switching between the CBC and ABC broadcasts, but finally\nsettled on ABC. I can\'t stand Don Whitman, and Al Michaels was doing a\ndecent job. He followed the play pretty well, knew all the players\'\nnames, and only made a couple of "rookie" mistakes that I noticed.\nOne thing that surprised me is that they never once attempted to explain\nthe offside rule.\n\nAm-I-paranoid-or-is-this-really-happening department:\nThere were no fights in the game, but there were a couple of occasions\nwhere it looked like a fight was about to start. Both times ABC cut\naway to show a closeup of a coach or McNall or something. Has ABC\ndecided to adopt the "Spicer policy?"\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nLorne Epp epp@mala.bc.ca\n',
"Subject: news says BATF indictment/warrant unsealed...\nFrom: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Harvard University Science Center\nNntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu\nLines: 19\n\nSomething about how Koresh had threatened to cause local \nproblems with all these wepaons he had and was alleged to\nhave. \n\nSomeone else will post more details soon, I'm sure.\n\nOther News:\nSniper injures 9 outside MCA buildling in L.A. Man arrested--suspect\nwas disgruntled employee of Universal Studios, which\nis a division of M.C.A.\n\n\nQUESTION:\nWhat will Californians do with all those guns after the Reginald\ndenny trial?\n\n-Case Kim\nkim39@husc.harvard.edu\n\n",
"From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)\nSubject: using 1.4 Mb disks with Mac II?\nArticle-I.D.: gandalf.Apr.6.13.20.40.1993.1397\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 11\n\n\nDo you need to get a ROM upgrade to use a 1.4 Mb floppy drive with\na Mac II? Or are there 3rd party drives which work with the Mac II's\nown ROMs?\n\nThanks,\nRalph\n-- \nRalph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ\nPhone: (609) 225-6122; Internet: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu\n--\n",
'From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nOrganization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nSomeone posted a list of x number of alleged Bible contradictions. As Joslin\nsaid, most people do value quantity over quality. Dave Butler posted some good\nquality alleged contradictions that are taking a long time to properly exegete.\n\nIf you want a good list (quantity) - _When Critics Ask, A Popular Handbook On\nBible Difficulties_ by Dr. Norman Geisler deals with over 800 alleged contradictions.\n\nFrank\n-- \n"If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out\n of a thousand." JOB 9:3\n',
'From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)\nSubject: Re: Traffic morons\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 27\n\nIn <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:\n\n>NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)\n>NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks\n\n>I\'ve found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by\n>pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your\n>brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can\n>usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of\n>him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.\n\n\n I see one thing wrong with your strategy.\nThe boy who cried wolf.\n\n__\n Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who\n Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am. \n UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous\n\n --Squidonk-- \n\n\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nLines: 12\n\n To: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn)\n\n AM> Having said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance\n AM> flavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places,\n AM> I order food without MSG. \n\nTo me, MSG tastes just like a mixture of salt and sugar. I don't \nthink that is the case with most people. What does it taste like \nto you? \n\n... If wishes were horses, we'd all have to wear hip boots!\n * Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310/372-0987 32b (1:102/129.0)\n",
"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died?\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <f1682Ap@quack.kfu.com>, pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nwrote:\n> In article <sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \n> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n> >Ignorance is not bliss!\n \n> Ignorance is STRENGTH!\n> Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE!\n\nHuh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece\nof information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above).\n\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n",
'Subject: XGA-2 info?\nFrom: rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu (Rainer Leberle)\nDistribution: World\nOrganization: University of Missouri Kansas City\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu\nLines: 13\n\nHi,\nhas anyone more info about the XGA-2 chipset?\nHW-funcs, TrueColor, Resolutions,...\nAny boards with XGA-2 out yet?\n\nthanks\nRainer\n\n-- \nRainer Leberle\t rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu\nUniversity of Kansas City, MO \n\n>> New mail from clinton@whitehouse.dc.gov - (No Subject Specified)\n',
'From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <RICHK.93Apr15075248@gozer.grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:\n>> Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might \n>> need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that\n>> much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don\'t have a tape drive or CD-ROM?\n>> Any help would be appreciated.\n\n>So, when you\'ve got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by\n>increasing the amount of overlapping you do.\n>\n>One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it\n>possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory\n>without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move\n>the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and\n>bus mastering.\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^\nHow do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus?\n\n>IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface\n>created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data\n>bytes, with no DMA.\n\nIf we\'re talking ISA (AT) bus here, then you can only have 1 DMA channel\nactive at any one time, presumably transferring data from a single device.\nSo even though you can have at least 7 devices on a SCSI bus, explain how\nall 7 of those devices can to DMA transfers through a single SCSI card\nto the ISA-AT bus at the same time.\n\nAlso, I\'m still trying to track down a copy of IBM\'s AT reference book,\nbut from their PC technical manual (page 2-93):\n\n"The (FDD) adapter is buffered on the I.O bus and uses the System Board\ndirect memory access (DMA) for record data transfers."\nI expect to see something similar for the PC-AT HDD adapter. \nSo the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT\nHDD controller doesn\'t!?!? That makes real sense.\n',
"From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj)\nSubject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait\nOrganization: Huh? Whuzzat?\nLines: 12\n\nSheila Patterson writes:\n> \n>I always suspected that I was human too :-) It is the desire to be like\n>Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and\n>other christians. ...\n\nI'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus\ndriving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those\nwere two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side).\n\nJeff Johnson\njcj@tellabs.com\n",
"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)\nSubject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)\nKeywords: CB900C, purchase, advice\nReply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)\nOrganization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory\nLines: 31\n\n--\n\nThanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom. \n\nAs recommended, I had the bike compression tested. Compression was\na little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi). They\nsaid that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low \nnumbers (around 90). Does this sound right? Otherwise, the bike looked\ngreat. No signs of road rash, and no rust. This bike looks great! \nIt is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires. \nI am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those \nwho posted this other thread). This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes. \n( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should\nbe road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about \nthe transmission and taking my chances.\n\nBeing a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull\ninfo available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,\nbut I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n| |\\/\\/\\/| ___________________ |\n| | | / \\ |\n| | | / Jamie W. Burnside \\ |\n| | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) |\n| C _) / \\_____________________/ |\n| | ,___| / |\n| | / |\n| / __\\ |\n| / \\ |\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)\nSubject: Re: wife wants convertible\nOrganization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu\n\nIf you hold off, there are a number of interesting convertibles coming\nto market in the next few years.\n\nThe new LeBaron will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, which should\nbe an improvement over the current model.\n\nThe new PL compact will have a convertible option (also a chrysler\nproduct)\n\nKia, makers of the Ford Festiva is planning a larger convertible.\n-- \nSteve Morris, M.A. : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu\nAddiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris\nSeattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)\nSeattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________\n',
'Subject: Re: Feminism and Islam, again\nFrom: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu\nOrganization: Wesleyan University\nNntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.030334.8650@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr11.145519.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:\n>>\n>>There\'s a way around that via the hadith, which state that silence is\n>>taken to mean "yes" and that women may not speak before a judge, who\n>>must conduct the marriage.\n> \n> Actaully, that\'s a false hadith, because it contradicts verses in the\n> Quran, that says women may testify- speak before a judge.\n> \n> Hadiths are declared false when they contradict the Quran. Hadiths\n> weren\'t written during the revelation or during the life of the prophet,\n> and so may contain errors.\n\nSo the only way you can tell a false hadith from a true one is\nif it contradicts the Quran? What if it relates to something\nthat isn\'t explicitly spelled out in the Quran?\n\nAlso, the Quran wasn\'t written down during the life of Muhammed\neither. It wasn\'t long after, but 20 years or so is still long\nenough to shift a few verses around.\n\nKarl\n -----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| "Lastly, I come to China in the hope | "All you touch and all you see |\n| of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be." |\n| dropping acid on the Great Wall." --Duke | --Pink Floyd |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. |\n -----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: ac999135@umbc.edu (ac999135)\nSubject: *** WANTED: Cheap Used GAMEBOY/TG-16 Games ***\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu\nX-Auth-User: ac999135\n\nThe title says it all...If you have some cheap used \nGAMEBOY or TG-16 (2 Player or more) Games, Please\nemail me all offers...\n\nRohit\n\n\n',
'From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells)\nSubject: Re: Space Debris\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nLines: 6\n\n>There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer \n>your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow \n>up I can dig that out for you.\n\nKeesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....?\n\n',
"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte)\nSubject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650\nNntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 23\n\nIn <1993Apr16.091202.15500@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:\n\n>I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I\n>asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for\n>years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging\n>ADB devices with the power on.\n\nThe problem is that the pins in the ADB connector \nare close to each other, and if you happen to bend the\ncable a little while inserting it, you short the ADB\nport. If you take it to an Apple Repair Centre, that\nmeans a new motherboard (though a component replace IS\nphysically possible)\n\nSame goes for serial ports (LocalTalk as well)\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t/ h+\n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n\n This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.\n",
"From: cph@dmu.ac.uk (Chris Hand)\nSubject: Cheap LCD panels & seeking info\nOrganization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK.\nLines: 37\n\nAttention hardware hackers and bargain seekers!\n\nI just bought a 640x200 pixel LCD panel for 25 UK pounds. I have\na datasheet for a similar panel, but I'm looking for proper data.\n\nIf anyone can help with locating data for this device (before I start\nwith the routine on the phone to Hitachi and rummaging through the\nlibrary), then I'll pass on the source.\n\n\tType: LM225 (Hitachi)\n\tResolution: 640W x 200H (so can do 80x25 chars on 8x8 matrix)\n\nBought from:\n\n\tGreenweld Electronics Ltd\n\t27 Park Rd\n\tSouthampton SO1 3TB, UK\n\n\tTel. +44 703 23 63 63\n\tFax. +44 703 23 63 07\n\tEmail: Compuserve [100014,1463]\n\nNB: I only just bought this! I don't even know if it works!\n\n\tPrice was 25 UK pounds including VAT (17.5%), which isn't\n\tpayable if you're outside the EC.\n\nThanks for any info!\n\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Hand, Lecturer Internet mail: cph@dmu.ac.uk\nDept of Computing Science, Voice: +44 533 551551 x8476\nDe Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax: +44 533 541891 FIDOnet: 2:440/32.50\nLEICESTER, UK LE1 9BH >> Linux: *free* unix for IBM PCs! <<\n",
'From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O\'Bedlam)\nSubject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret\nOrganization: Panix, (New Yawk City)\nLines: 29\n\nIn <1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:\n(quoting someone else here) \n>>The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid\n>>reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I\'ve shown above -- there\n>>are a lot of ways to do things that aren\'t (quite) as bad.\n\n>It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were\n>published, one could then build physically identical clone versions\n>of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But\n>the cloner wouldn\'t provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tYeah!\n\n\tThe algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar\ngovernment equivalent to military) has been let for this "proprietary"\ndesign that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that\npatent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified.\n\n\tIf the algorithm were made public, or reverse-engineered, it would\ncompromise not only the goal of Justice of being able to read every chip\nusers cypto-data but would reduce profits for the selected chip maker.\n\n\tWouldn\'t that just be too bad?\n\n-- \n***********************************************************************\n* Danny O\'Bedlam = dfl@panix.com = cmcl2!panix!dfl = Danny Lieberman *\n* PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) *\n***********************************************************************\n',
'From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)\nSubject: Re: Opinions asked about rejection\nOrganization: Netcom\nLines: 22\n\nWilliam Mayne (mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu) wrote:\n: In article <Apr.1.02.34.21.1993.21547@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n\n: >People who reject God don\'t want to be wth Him in heaven. We spend our \n: >lives choosing to be either for Him or against Him. God does not force \n: >Himself on us.\n\n: I must say that I am shocked. My impression has been that Jayne Kulikaskas\n: usually writes this much less offensive and ludicrous than this. I am not\n: saying that the offensiveness is intentional, but it is clear and it is\n: something for Christians to consider.\n\nJayne stands in pretty good company. C.S. Lewis wrote a whole book\npromoting the idea contained in her first sentence quoted above. It is\ncalled "The Final Divorce". Excellent book on the subject of Heaven and\nHell, highly recommended. It\'s an allegory of souls who are invited, indeed\nbeseeched to enter Heaven, but reject the offer because being with God in\nHeaven means giving up their false pride.\n\n-- \nJoe Kellett\njkellett@netcom.com\n',
'From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)\nSubject: Re: "Conventional Proposales": Israel & Palestinians\nOrganization: Cirrus Logic Inc.\nLines: 6\n\nThe fact that Israel is already discussing with some Palestinians what the composition\nof the armed Palestinian Police Force in the territories will be during the transition\nphase indicates some real solid concessions and liberal thinking on the part of the\nIsraeli side.\n\n-- Chris Metcalfe\n',
'Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding\n <sandvik-140493233557@sandvik-kent.apple.com> <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu>\n <syt5br_@rpi.edu> <nyikos.735335582@milo.math.scarolina.edu>\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <nyikos.735335582@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu\n(Peter Nyikos) says:\n>\n>In <syt5br_@rpi.edu> rocker@acm.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:\n>\n>>In <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz)\n>writes:\n>\n>>>If one is paying for a PRIVATE health insurance plan and DOES NOT WANT\n>>>"abortion coverage" there is NO reason for that person to be COMPLELLED\n>>>to pay for it. (Just as one should not be compelled to pay for lipposuction\n>>>coverage if ONE doesn\'t WANT that kind of coverage).\n>\n>>You appear to be stunningly ignorant of the underlying concept of health\n>>insurance.\n>\n>Are you any less stunningly ignorant? Have you ever heard of life\n>insurance premiums some companies give in which nonsmokers are charged\n>much smaller premiums than smokers?\n>\n>Not to mention auto insurance being much cheaper for women under 25 than\n>for men under 25, because women on the average drive more carefully\n>than most men--in fact, almost as carefully as I did before I was 25.\n\nAs many people have mentioned, there is no reason why insurers could not\noffer a contract without abortion services for a different premium.\nThe problem is that there is no guarantee that this premium would be\nlower for those who chose this type of contract. Although you are\nremoving one service, that may have feedbacks into other types of covered\ncare which results in a net increase in actuarial costs.\n\nFor an illustrative example in the opposite direction, it may be possible\nto ADD services to an insurance contract and REDUCE the premium. If you\nadd preventative services and this reduces acute care use, then the total\npremium may fall.\n\nThese words and thoughts are my own. * I am not bound to swear\n** ** ** ** * allegiance to the word of any\n ** ** ** ** ** ** * master. Where the storm carries\n ** ** ** * me, I put into port and make\nD. Shea, PSU * myself at home.\n',
'From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)\nSubject: Re: QuickTime movie available\nArticle-I.D.: mustang.johnsh-060493161931\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: mustang.stu.rpi.edu\n\nIn article <johnsh-040493161915@mustang.stu.rpi.edu>, I wrote:\n> \n> I\'ve used the recently-released Macintosh application MPEG to QuickTime to\n> convert the excellent MPEG "canyon.mpg" into a QuickTime movie. While\n> anyone who would want this movie is perfectly able to convert it\n> themselves, I thought I\'d let the net know that I\'d be glad to mail copies\n> of mine out. The movie conversion took close to SIX HOURS on my poor\n> little IIcx; in other words, unless you\'ve got a Quadra, you might not want\n> to tie up your machine in converting this file.\n> \n> The movie is a fast fly-through of a fractal-generated canyon landscape. \n> The movie is 58 seconds long, and uses the compact video compressor (i.e.,\n> QuickTime v1.5). The movie looks okay on 8-bit displays, and looks\n> absolutely awesome on 16- and 24-bit displays.\n> \n> I\'d be happy to mail this movie to the first 20 or so people who ask for\n> it. The only caveat is you need to be able to receive a nine-megabyte mail\n> message (the movie was stuff-it\'ed down to seven megs, but binhex ruined\n> that party). If more then 20 people want this movie, then it\'s just more\n> evidence that the net needs a dedicated QuickTime FTP archive site. C\'mon,\n> someone\'s gotta have a spare 1.2GB drive out there...\n\nOkay, I\'ve received a whole lot of requests for the movie, so for\nsimplicity\'s sake I can\'t mail out any more than I\'ve already received (as\nof 16:30 EDT, Tuesday). Maybe it\'ll pop up on a site sooner or later.\n\n==============================================================================\nHugh Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu) | \nRensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Welcome to Macintosh.\nTroy, New York, USA |\n==============================================================================\n',
'From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)\nSubject: Re: Atheist\'s views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")\nOrganization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <Apr.14.03.08.08.1993.5448@athos.rutgers.edu> jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) writes:\n\n>One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate \n>(at least to this layman\'s mind) there must be a causal event. No\n>reasonable alternative exists.\n\nThe big-bang model supposes a temporal singularity at the point of\norigin. There was _no_ time for a prior cause to occur in. If you\nwant to invent fables for the surrounding context, fine, but one fable\nis only as good as any other. Why should I prefer to believe in a God that\n_just_ exists, as opposed to a singularity that _just happened_, or \ngiant puce subspace iguanas, that fling universes off their tongues\nlike gobs of spit?\n\n|As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a "why". That isn\'t\n|true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural).\n\n>I believe the "genetic code" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes,\n>but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, \n>reproducing life, *ever*. (I\'ve never been much of a prophet, though. I\n>can\'t even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don\'t believe *any*\n>technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite\n>having all of the parts available. Just my opinion.\n\nJust your opinion, and unfortunately wrong. Self assembling molecules\nhave already been produced, entirely from inert matter, and have\nspontaneously mutated into a more rapidly assembling form on exposure\nto ultraviolet light. Both abiogenesis and the beginnings of evolution,\nTODAY. (saw this in "Nature", early last year.)\n\nBiological vitalism is dead, and has been dead for many, many years.\nGive it up. Life is not a \'spark\'. Life is the self-organization\nof systems poised between chaos and order.\n\n>Until the King returns,\n>\n>Jason\n\nYour King baldly and repeatedly stated he would be back within the lifetime\nof some then present and alive. "Soon, soon" he said, over and over - as\nhave many would be messiahs.\n\nIt is Nineteen Ninety Three\n\tof Years Anno Domini\nTell me, Tell me, where is He?\n\tNowhere at all, Q. E. D.\n\n\tMax G. Webb\n\n[I should have watched this more closely. We had a discussion about\nthe first cause, etc., not long ago. I\'m not up for a replay.\nThere was also a detailed discussion of the point Max brings up\nhere about the initial singularity. The geometry near the big bang\nis very interesting. Time turns into space, so there is no "before".\n--clh]\n',
'From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)\nSubject: Easter: what\'s in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard?\nOrganization: Kulikauskas home\nLines: 22\n\nseanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes:\n\n> In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the resurrection is\n> "Pa^ques"--this is etymologically related to Pesach (Passover) and the\n> pascal lamb. So is the French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration\n> better because it uses the right name?\n\nI was at my parents\' Seder and noticed the labelling on one of the \npackages was English, Hebrew and French. In the phrase "kosher for \npassover" the French word used was "Pa^ques." We\'ve deliberately \nmistranslated this at the Kulikauskas home and keep referring to foods \nbeing kosher for Easter. :-)\n\nBack to the original questions in this thread concerning Christians of \nJewish descent and the Law: I always wonder when I see posts on this \nsubject whether the writers are Christians of Jewish descent relating \nthe life-decisions God has led them to or people who take only an \nacademic interest in the topic. (Having known Seanna since she was nine \nyears old, I do know in this case.) I admit that the answer to this \nquestion affects the amount of weight I give to the writer\'s statement.\n\nJayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n',
'From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson)\nSubject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."\nReply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu\nOrganization: not Sun Microsystems\nLines: 95\n\nIn article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n>gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:\n>\n>> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame\n>> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.\n>[deleted] \n>> \n>> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we\n>> die. \n\nI don\'t meant to defend Eric Molas- I find it somewhat annoying when\nsomeone pops up on alt.atheism to tell us all about his (usually\natheistic) beliefs, so I can certainly see how Christians might be\nannoyed- but I\'d like to point out a few things.\n\n>I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people \n>choose a meaningless existence.\n\n"no meaning from God" is not the same as "no meaning". From my (atheistic)\npoint of view, if you want meaning in your life, you get to go and\nget some or make some.\n\nNo free gifts of meaning. (I never quite understood how any\nGod can just "give" your life meaning, actually. If he\nsays you exists to do or be X, that gives you a purpose\nif you care to accept it, but is that the same thing? But\nI digress...) \n\n> How terrible to go on living only \n>because one fears death more than life.\n\nThis would truely be a miserably existance, which I doubt Eric\nendures. Life can be enjoyable, so you can live it because you like\nit, or purposefull, so you can live it to get something done. One should\nendeavour to make it so, if it is not. Otherwise it would be as you say.\nTerrible.\n\n> I feel so sorry for Eric and \n>yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as \n>further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. \n\nProbably true. Remeber he almost certainly sees that particular joy as\nan illusion, and does not want it. So maybe it isn\'t so bad?\n\n>As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, \n>and create.\n\nAs an atheist, I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose,\nand create.\n\n> I will live forever with God.\n\nAh, now here we begin to diverge. I will not live forever\nwith anyone.\n\n(I don\'t think you will either, but you are welcome to your\nopinion on the matter.)\n\n>Christ is not a kind of drug.\n\nI tend to agree with you.\n\nIt\'s my opinion that (unlike drugs) religions are normal\nparts of human societies.\n\nI think they have outlived their usefullness, but they\nare evidently quite ordinary, normal things that haven\'t\nproved lethal to humanity yet.\n\n> Drugs are a replacement for Christ.\n>Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must \n>do something to ease the pain.\n\nI have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know\nwho first came up with the "God-shaped hole" business?\n\n> This is why the most effective \n>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples\' spiritual \n>needs.\n\nYou might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim\nlike this.\n\n>Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much \n>God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled \n>and abundant life.\n\nI don\'t know Eric, but I do not think it is wise to assume he has a less\njoy-filled and abundant life because he holds certain beliefs.\n\n---\n\t\t\t- Dan Johnson\nAnd God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0\n\nThese opinions probably show what I know.\n',
"From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)\nSubject: Re: Too many MRIs?\nOrganization: Informix Software, Inc.\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:\n>\n>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization\n>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption\n>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy\n>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this?\n>\n\nI also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of\n'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't\nshow up in any chemical test.\n",
"From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: ABC coverage\nOrganization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 25\nDistribution: usa\n\t<1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>\n\n\nGerald Olchowy writes:\n\n>Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant\n>in my opinion), is a terrible\n>analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example\n>being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday.\n> \n>I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew\n>did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't\n>any Dick Irvin.\n> \n>As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or\n>the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any\nday.\n\nPersonality means something to me. That is exactly why I like Clement\n(and Emrick). On the other hand, JD is a pompous, bull-headed, arrogant\nknow-it-all. He's a real turn-off (which is exactly what I do when he's\non). One complaint I do have about Clement is that he sometimes talks\ntoo much. If I wanted that I'd listen to Tim McGarver doing a baseball\ngame.\n\nMom.\n\n",
"From: dbryant@leconte.Eng.Sun.COM (David Bryant)\nSubject: Re: GUI toolkit for the Sun Sparc.\nReply-To: dbryant@leconte.Eng.Sun.COM\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: leconte\n\nIn article C4M@cuug.ab.ca, winsorr@sun (Robin Winsor 233-4670) writes:\n\n>You are right to be going Motif rather than OpenLook. Sun has just recently\n>seen the light and dumped their commitment to OpenLook. In the announcement\n>they stated they have no future plans for DevGuide.\n\nThis is incorrect. Sun has made no such claim regarding Devguide, and as \nmanager of the Devguide engineering group I can state with authority that\nwork on Devguide is continuing apace. We had quite a strong show of interest\nfrom the Devguide user community at last week's Solaris Developer's Conference.\nDevguide is being advocated not only as a valuable future builder tool, but\nas an important bit of transition technology that will help sustain current\ncustomers and facilitate their migration to the COSE Desktop Environment.\n\nIf you have specific questions about Devguide availability, etc., you can \ncontact Tali Aben, our Devguide Product Marketing person, at (415) 336-3536.\n\n\tDavid Bryant\n\tDevguide Manager\n\tSunSoft\n \n",
'From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher)\nSubject: Help with SIMM configuration\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nCan someone please help me understand the current situation\nregarding SIMMS?\n\nI have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.\n\nI would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.\n\nI know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.\n\nWhich SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?\nWould the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a \nnewer, more powerful system?\n\nAny insight would be appreciated.\n\nThanks.\n\nRob\n-- \nRob Sprecher\nrcs8@po.cwru.edu\n',
"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.215833.15970@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:\n\n\n>> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error\n>> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is\n>> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. \n\n\n>I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although\n>my preference would be to move the discussion to another\n>newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more \n>appropriate. \n\n\nI think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how\ndeviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be\nthe true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. \nSo that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from \nthe simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And \nif they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how \nsubtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while \nthey are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an.\n\n\n>The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the\n>esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter\n>into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric\n>religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical\n>substance of man's being and nature.\n\n\nIn my opinion considering any human being as having a substance\nor metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human\nbeing _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam. \n\n\n>From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You\n>should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable \n>Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the\n>charge of heresy is levelled.\n\n\nAbsolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and\nI am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of\nerror-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with\nthe teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa\nare highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly\nproscribed by the Qur'an.\n\n\n>As salaam a-laikum\n\nAlaikum Wassalam\n\n\nGregg\n\n",
"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)\nSubject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts?\nOrganization: Corporation for Open Systems\nDistribution: world \nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr5.170349.10700@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr2.230831.18332@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes:\n>>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:\n>># sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>># >We already kill people (death penalty), and that costs even more\n>># >money, so you could as well complain about this extremely barbaric\n>># >way of justice.\n>>#\n>># But the death penalty is right.\n>>#\n>># And how expensive can an execution be? I mean, I think rope, cyanide\n>># (for the gas), or the rifles and ammunition to arm firing squads are\n>># affordable.\n>>#\n>># Now, perhaps lethal injection might be expensive, in that case, let's\n>># return to the more efficient methods employed in the past.\n>>\n>>Oh, sure, the death *penalty* is fairly inexpensive, but the trial and\n>>sentencing can run millions.\n\n>>\n>>--strychnine\tunless you wanna cut costs by skipping the trial and\n>> sentencing... you murderous little rat-bastard\n\n> Why as a matter of fact, I was thinking of that as a way to make\n>the system more efficient. And the only murderous rat-bastards are\n>aboritionists.\n\nYeah, Simon's no rat-bastard, he's the Head Attack Puppy :-)\n\n\n>Simon\n\n\nTOG\n\n",
'From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles)\nSubject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret\nOrganization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <C5pstr.Lu2@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O\'Bedlam) writes:\n>\tThe algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar\n>government equivalent to military) has been let for this "proprietary"\n>design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that\n>patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified.\n\nUnless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there\'s no such beast\nas a "classified patent." Patents exist to encourage communications and\ndevelop the state of the art. \n\n(The 17-year lock is a nuisance, but historically has been pretty trivial.\nIt\'s only in an industry which doubles performance every three years (or\n18 months, for some hardware) that 17 years is an eternity).\n\nThe same thing applies in civilian development: you can\'t patent something \n_and_ declare it a "trade secret." However, you can (and should) mark all\nsoftware (including proprietary code) "unpublished copyright" so that it\never does get exposed you still have some legal protection.\n\n(Post-Berne this isn\'t required, since everything is "born copyrighted."\nBut it takes a while for people to learn the new rules).\n\n-- \nBear Giles\nbear@fsl.noaa.gov\n',
'From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Re: The Tories could win the "lottery"...Clinton GST?\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 41\n\nPhill Hallam-Baker (hallam@zeus02.desy.de) writes:\n>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:\n>|>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes:\n>|>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:\n>|>>} \n>|>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the\n>|>>} insurance (it\'s a negative option, you have to explicitly decline\n>|>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ...\n>|>>\n>|>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more\n>|>>of their money taken from them to pay for others\' health care...\n>|>\n>|>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is\n>|>voluntary\n>\n>Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of\n>collection effectively makes it a tax.\n\nCould it be because you\'re British, Phill, and living in Germany?\nWhile the EC working rules are more liberal than what we have in\nthe 1989 US-Canada FTA, there\'s probably a law about that (having\nhealth insurance coverage is a condition of my being down here,\nfor example).\n\nYou have mentioned this once before, yet both the NY Times profile on\nthe German sickness funds (late Jan.) and pamphlets that my girlfriend\ngives to her language students from the German consulate both say that\nit is "voluntary" (okay, there were quotation marks (-;) and that only\n90% of the population is covered by the sickness funds (analogous to\nour provincial health insurances, but not divided by province/state).\n\nAnother guy in health care policy says that the Turkish guest workers\naren\'t covered ... he\'s written to me a couple of times (he\'s not a\npost-er). I\'ll ask him ...\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n',
"From: wiml@stein2.u.washington.edu (William Lewis)\nSubject: Re: Abyss--breathing fluids\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 33\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu\n\nloss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes:\n>Besides the mechanical problems of moving so dense a medium in oan out\n>of the lungs (diaphragm fatigue, etc.), is there likely to be a problem\n>with the mixture? I mean, since the lungs never expel all the air in\n>them, the inhaled air has to mix pretty quickly with the residual air in\n>the lungs to provide a useful partial pressure of oxygen, right? Would\n>this mixing be substantially faster/slower at the pressures we're\n>talking about?\n\n There was an interesting article in Scientific American some time ago\nabout breathing liquid. (It was a few months before _The Abyss_ came out.)\nAs far as I can remember, they mentioned three things that were difficult\nto do at once with a substitute breathing fluid:\n - low viscosity --- if it's too difficult to force the fluid in & out \n of the lungs, you can't extract enough oxygen to power your own\n breathing effort (let alone anything else)\n\n - diffusion rate --- obviously, not all the air in your lungs is\n expelled when you breathe out; and the part that isn't expelled\n is the part that's nearest the walls of the alveoli. (alveolus?)\n So the trip from the blood vessels to the new air has to be done\n by diffusion of the gas through the fluid. Apparently oxygen\n tends to diffuse more readily than CO2, so even if you can get enough\n oxygen in, you might not be able to get enough CO2 out.\n\n - oxygen/CO2 capacity --- you have to be able to dissolve enough\n gas per unit volume. \n\n Oh, and of course, your new breathing fluid must not irritate the lungs\nor interfere with their healing or anything like that... \n\n--\nWim Lewis, wiml@u.washington.edu\n",
'From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699)\nSubject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42\nNntp-Posting-Host: helix.med.unc.edu\nReply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu\nOrganization: UNC-CH School of Medicine\nLines: 40\n\nIn article 8HC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr10.160929.696@galki.toppoint.de> ulrich@galki.toppoint.de \n>writes:\n>> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF "version number"\n>> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its "deep philosophical \n>> significance".\n>> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy,\n>> Is this actually how they picked the number 42?\n>\n>I\'m sure it is, and I am not amused. Every time I read that part of the\n>TIFF spec, it infuriates me- and I\'m none too happy about the\n>complexity of the spec anyway- because I think their "arbitrary but\n>carefully chosen number" is neither. Additionally, I find their\n>choice of 4 bytes to begin a file with meaningless of themselves- why\n>not just use the letters "TIFF"?\n>\n>(And no, I don\'t think they should have bothered to support both word\n>orders either- and I\'ve found that many TIFF readers actually\n>don\'t.)\n>\n>ab\n\nWhy so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe\nabout its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to\nhelp define or critique the spec.\n\nFinally, a little numerology: 42 is 24 backwards, and TIFF is a 24 bit\nimage format...\n\nChris\n---\n*********************************************************************\nChristopher P. Tully\t\t\t\tcptully@med.unc.edu\nUniv. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill\nCB# 7525\t\t\t\t\t(919) 966-2699\nChapel Hill, NC 27599\n*********************************************************************\nI get paid for my opinions, but that doesn\'t mean that UNC or anybody\n else agrees with them.\n\n',
'From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)\nSubject: Who should be spied on...\nKeywords: hypocritical pig\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:\n>\n>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:\n>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents\n>>>of those files.\n>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:\n>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?\n>\n>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including\n>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer\n>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members\n>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps?\n>\n>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war \n>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is\n>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals\n>only a few years ago. \n>\n\nThe ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*.\n\nLet me see...you\'re saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be\nspied on? You\'re also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS\nshould be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US, \nas you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in \nwhich no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume \nthat you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses \na threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?\n\nPerhaps, then, on the basis of Pollard spy case (not to mention the\nRosenbergs, etc.) you think that all Jewish Americans should be spied \non by the ADC.\n\nOh, never mind; this whole spying case has obviously so \nconvoluted your sense of right or wrong in these matters that I have \nno wish confuse you further.\n\n>>Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? \n>>Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic \n>>minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on.\n>\n>All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti-\n>Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if\n>anything comes up, they won\'t be caught by surprise.\n\nSo the LA times reporter who had information about him\nsold to the South African government was involved in "anti-Israel\nactivity or propaganda"? Are we to infer that the simple act of\nreporting an event in a newspaper constitutes "anti-Israel\nactivity or propaganda"? Or was it South Africa? The LA \ntimes reporter was based in South Africa, after all. \n\n>\n>\n>>>Gideon Ehrlich\n>>-anwar\n>Ed.\n>\n\n\n-anwar again\n',
'From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)\nSubject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\nNntp-Posting-Host: supergas\nReply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 25\n\n\nIn article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n>\n>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n>Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\n>\n>\n>To: shaig@Think.COM\n>\n>Subject: Ten questions to Israelis\n>\n>Dear Shai,\n>\n>Your answers to my questions are unsatisfactory.\n\n\n\nSo why don\'t ypu sue him.\n\n----\n\nNaftaly Stramer \t\t\t | Intergraph Electronics\nInternet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A \nVoice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301\n"Quality is everybody\'s job, and it\'s everybody\'s job to watch all that they can."\n',
"From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio)\nSubject: Re: Beginner's RF ???\nOrganization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02\nLines: 27\n\nklink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes:\n\n> Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference\n> to RF circuits? \n> \n> I am pretty good on theory & know what different types of modulation mean, \n> but don't have a lot of practical experience. A book detailing working\n> circuits of different types (modulation, power, frequency, what is legal,\n> what is not, et cetera), would be very helpful.\n> \n> Thanks.\n\nWell, you might try the A.R.R.L.'s license study guides. For example, my\nAdvanced Class study guide has lots and lots of good RF and electronics\ntheory in it. I would imagine the other books are good too.\n\nTony\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the //\n-- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code //\n-----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in //\n-- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! //\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- This is a calm .sig! --\n--------------------------\n\n",
'From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno )\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nReply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 40\n\n>If I don\'t think my belief is right and everyone else\'s belief is wrong,\n>then I don\'t have a belief. This is simply what belief means.\n\nUnfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when\nit comes to their religion. Some take it to the extreme and say that\ntheir religion is the ONLY one and if you don\'t accept their teachings\nthen you won\'t be "saved". It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim\nto know what God thinks/wants. Especially when it\'s based upon your\ninterpretation of a book. The logic in the above statement is faulty\nin that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can\'t both be\ncorrect. It\'s all about perception. No two people are exactly alike.\nNo two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that\nthere is one truth. Call it God\'s truth, a universal truth, or call it\nwhat you will. I don\'t believe God presents this truth. I think it is\njust there and it\'s up to you to look for and see it, through prayer,\nmeditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may\nperceive this truth differently, it doesn\'t mean one is wrong and the\nother is right. As an example, take the question, "Is the glass half\nempty or half full"? You can have two different answers which are\ncontradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be\ntrue, does not require everyone else\'s belief to be wrong.\n\n[If a person has what they believe is convincing evidence that God\nwill save only Christians, it\'s hard to see how you can criticize them\nfor arrogance for saying so. It could be that they\'re wrong. But I\nhardly see that it\'s arrogance. Let\'s look at this a bit closer.\nSuppose we had some combination of prophets and messiahs that taught\nus things, but didn\'t say anything about exclusivity. If we believe\nthem, and then add "and anybody who believes anything else is damned",\nthen you could well criticize us for arrogance. But in this case the\nexclusivity is in the message as it comes from the prophets, etc. So\nwe could be wrong in believing it, but I don\'t see how we can be\ncalled arrogant. Maybe the world isn\'t a soft place. Maybe certain\nchoices actually do have eternal consequences. I can see calling the\nChristian message arrogant, in a certain sense (though only in the\nsame sense as calling the law of gravitation arrogant because it\ndoesn\'t give us any option over whether we fall if we jump off a\nbuilding). But not Christians for passing it on, given that they\nbelieve it. The complaints I can see making are (1) that Christians\nare wrong, or (2) that God is arrogant. --clh]\n',
'From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960\'s\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA\nLines: 28\n\nOK Phil, you\'re right. So far the "evidence" suggests that Nixon was a victim\nof overzealous underlings and Kennedy was a womanizing disgust-o-blob with\na dash of megalomania. After crushing the CIA and FBI who\'s to say Kennedy \nwouldn\'t have created his own version of American Friendly Fascism?\n\nUnfortunately however, we don\'t have all the evidence. So far this nation\'s\ncitizens have been privy to about 12 hours of the total 4,000 hours of Nixon\'s\ntapes. What\'s on the rest of those babies? Some archivists have alluded that\nthere is "evidence" to suggest that Nixon and his cronies, including George\nBush, were aware of the plot to murder Kennedy before he was shot in Dallas.\n\nAsk your local D.A. what the charges are for the above crime.\n\n\nAnd so I must ask you, Phil me putz, when all this shit finally comes out\nwhen you and I are old men, I would appreciate the privilege of sticking a pole\nup your ass and parading you down Main Street with a sign on your chest:\n\n"I was an Apologist for the American Fascist Regime circa 1944 -- 2010"\n\n(How\'s that for a lovely Brecht-ian image:-)\n\n\nThere, that ought to get a reaction. Unless I\'m in his killfile this week...\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t MPA\n\n\n',
'From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham)\nSubject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City\nOrganization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.\nLines: 16\n\nRegarding David Wilkerson\'s prophecies. While I\'m not real sure of\nhis credibility, I do remember a book he wrote, called A VISION or\nsomething like that. He made a prediction that people who bought gold\nwould be hurt financially. At the time, gold was up to about $800;\nnow it is less than half that. This prediction stuck in my mind\nbecause a lot of people where I worked were buying gold.\n\nThe problem is, we tend to remember predictions that come true and\nforget ones that didn\'t (a la Jean Dixon). Does anyone know if there\nany of his predictions, perhaps from the book I mentioned, that can\npretty definitely be said to have not come true?\n--\n-Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com\n"Peace is only better than war when it\'s not hell too. War being hell\nmakes sense."\n -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING\n',
'From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nOrganization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:\n:Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key\n:\titself"\n:You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright; \n:\tthe file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of \n: copyrighted Peanuts strips.""\n:Judge and CP: "Oh."\n: How will they get you now? I\'m not saying that they won\'t, or\n:can\'t (or even that they shouldn\'t :-), but what legal mechanism will\n:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?\n\nHm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment\nlike they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and\nthen a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the\nsame trail.\n\n-- \nKenneth Ng\nPlease reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now.\n"All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting\non someone\'s table" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG\n',
'From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu ()\nSubject: Re: interface to access separate appl.\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu\n\nIn article <9304121644.AA27256@expo.lcs.mit.edu> DBOHDAL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM writes:\n<Dear Xperts:\n<\n< Here\'s my problem: I am designing several related X \n<applications (each one is a separate executable) and I\'d like \n<to build a single control window that would allow the user to \n<access each application (instead of having to locate the correct\n<icon). The Control Window would contain a button for each \n<application and by pressing it, the application\'s main window\n<would appear. I would also like to use the application\'s button\n<as a color status indicator. Has anyone done this or have any\n<good ideas?? Because these are all separate executables this\n<seems like a communications nightmare to me, but maybe I\'m\n<wrong. I\'d appreciate any ideas! I\'m using X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1.\n<\n<Thanks,\n<dbohdal@jaguar.ess.harris.com\n\nI can think of two different methods that you could try. 1) use fork and \nexecv 2) use the "system" called in your program. I\'m assuming that you\'re\nrunning under the Unix OS of course.\n\n-- \n _---_ Steve \n / o o \\ hsteve@hydra.unm.edu, hsteve@carina.unm.edu\n | \\___/ | \n Just say NO to VMS!!\n',
'From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: The Israeli Press\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 48\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <benali.735836579@alcor>, benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes:\n|> \n|> Of course you never read Arab media,\n\nI don\'t, though when I was in Israel I did make a point of listening\nto JTV news, as well as Monte Carlo Radio. In the United States,\nI generally read the NYT, and occasionally, a mainstream Israeli\nnewpaper.\n\n|> I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough)\n|> and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say\n|> that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course\n|> you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either\n|> a -9 or -10, American leading newspapers and TV news range from -6\n|> to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis)\n|> The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer\n|> to Kahane\'s views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British\n|> range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range\n|> from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from\n|> 0 to -5 (Egyptian) to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to\n|> overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since \n|> they are doing nothing.\n\nWhat you may not be taking into account is that the JP is no longer\nrepresentative of the mainstream in Israel. It was purchased a few\nyears ago and in the battle for control, most of the liberal and\nleft-wing reporters walked out. The new owner stated in the past,\nmore than once, that the JP\'s task should be geared towards explaining\nand promoting Israel\'s position, more than attacking the gov\'t (Likud\nat the time). The paper that I would recommend reading, being middle\nstream and factual is "Ha-Aretz" - or at least this was the case two\nyears ago.\n\n|> the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9,\n|> while that of the average American would be the same if they do\n|> not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and\n|> -8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers.\n\nAnd what about the "Nat\'l Enquirer"? 8^)\nBut seriously, if one were to read some of the leftist newspapers\none could arrive at other conclusions. The information you received\nwas highly selective and extrapolating from it is a bad move.\n\n-- \nShai Guday | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninja of the skies.\nCambridge, MA |\n',
'From: Michael Robert Peck <mp5j+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: 800x600 video on a IIci?\nOrganization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\n\n What do I need to do to be able to run an NEC 3FGx in 800x 600 mode\non my IIci? Can it be done with the right video card? If so, which\nvideo card?\n\n\n -Michael\n',
'From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <1qla0g$afp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>In article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n\n>|> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which\n>|> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim\n>|> >community in the Uk and elsewhere.\n\n>|> Grow up, childish propagandist.\n\n>Gregg, I\'m really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice\n>things aren\'t quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim\n>them to be upsets you..\n\nYou have done no such thing.\n\n\n>BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank -\n>what will someone bet me they weren\'t "real" Islamic owners and\n>operators?\n\nAn Islamic bank is a bank which operates according to the rules\nof Islam in regard to banking. This is done explicitly by the\nbank. This was not the case with BCCI.\n\n>And why did these naive depositors put their life savings into\n>BCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down\n>the street? \n\nThis is crap. BCCI was motivated by the same motives as other\ninternational banks, with perhaps an emphasis on dealing with\noutlaws and the intelligence services of various governments.\n\n>So please don\'t try to con us into thinking that it will all \n>work out right next time.\n\nBack to childish propaganda again. You really ought to get a life\nrather than wasting bandwith on such empty typing. There are thousands\nof Islamic banks operating throughout the world which no-one ever hears\nabout. If you want to talk about corrupted banks we can talk about\nall the people who\'ve been robbed by American banks. \n\n\nGregg\n\n\n\n',
'From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Americans and Evolution\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <1pq47tINN8lp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>\nbobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes:\n \n(Deletion)\n>\n>I will argue that your latter statement, "I believe that no gods exist"\n>does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement\n>that "no gods exist" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don\'t\n>know and therefore don\'t believe in them and don\'t NOT believe in then\n>(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than saying\n>I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the position, even\n>after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires faith.\n>\n \nNo it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here that\ndriving a car requires faith that the car drives.\n \nFor me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I have in the\npremises and the argument used.\n \n \n>But first let me say the following.\n>We might have a language problem here - in regards to "faith" and\n>"existence". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist.\n>To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE\n>being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not\n>exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it\'s rather pointless\n>to debate the so called "existence" of God - and that is not what\n>I\'m doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of\n>being. When you say that "god does not exist", I also accept this\n>statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However,\n>in what follows I will use the phrase "the existence of God" in it\'s\n>\'usual sense\' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it.\n>I would like a clarification upon what you mean by "the existence of\n>God".\n>\n \nNo, that\'s a word game. The term god is used in a different way usually.\nWhen you use a different definition it is your thing, but until it is\ncommonly accepted you would have to say the way I define god is ... and\nthat does not exist, it is existence itself, so I say it does not exist.\n \nInterestingly, there are those who say that "existence exists" is one of\nthe indubitable statements possible.\n \nFurther, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is\nalready used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are implying\nmore with it, in which case your definition and your argument so far\nare incomplete, making it a fallacy.\n \n \n(Deletion)\n>One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say\n>that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion\n>"based upon observation", I will have to ask "what observtions are\n>you refering to?" There are NO observations - pro or con - that\n>are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief.\n(Deletion)\n \nWhere does that follow? Aren\'t observations based on the assumption\nthat something exists?\n \nAnd wouldn\'t you say there is a level of definition that the assumption\n"god is" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway.\n \nSo, where is your evidence for that "god is" is meaningful at some level?\n Benedikt\n',
"From: purinton@toyon-next.Stanford.EDU (Joshua Jordan Purinton)\nSubject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement\nOrganization: Stanford University\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1r3hgqINNdaa@uwm.edu> Rick Miller <rick@ee.uwm.edu> writes:\n>jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:\n>>marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes:\n\n\n>>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.\n>\n>Or, the more *likely* explanation is that Marc is spoofing.\n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>I sincerely doubt that Denning and crew are keen enough to react that\n>quickly, and I doubt they'd want to cripple their SMTP server t'boot.\n>\n\nMarc is not spoofing. Try it yourself. At least, the commands work\nexactly as he described (i.e. they do not work.)\n\n- Josh.\n\n\n-- \nNo pattern, content or thing is the being who looks out from each pair of eyes.\nAnd only that is important. - E. T. Gendlin\n",
"From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: na\nLines: 11\n\nI change login passwords every couple of months. I sure would suck if I had\nto get a new sparc station everytime I wanted to do this. It seems that this\nis what they expect you to do if you want to routinely change your password\non your phone. I'm sure the government contractor doesn't mind, but a system\nwhere you can cheaply change keys (DES) has inherent security advantages, \nregardless of the algorithms involved.\n-- \n-Tim Cuffel\tFinger for PGP 2.1 The CIA has admitted that the assassination\n of Saddam Hussien was one of their goals.\nThey failed, of course. Seems as though that motorcade through downtown Dallas\ntrick only works once.\n",
'From: rhorwell@crab.atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab)\nSubject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?\nReply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com\nOrganization: Boeing Computer Services\nLines: 46\n\nIn article 21071@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com, mperry@vnet.ibm.com (Mark Perry) writes:\n>>Hardly a good reason, most US cars do too - and plenty of people\n>>buy them (in the US anyway :-). I think the 850 is quite a good\n>>looking car - unlike the US influenced 740!\n>>\n>>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch\n>\n>I don\'t think it\'s so easy to tell the 850 from any other 7 or 9 series unless\n>you look real close. I really do think Volvo\'s are all dogs though beacuse they\n>are 1.Agricultural \n\nWhile previous Volvos have been essentially very fast tractors, the 3,4 and 8 series\nare far from \'agricultural\' in design or execution (how many FWD tractors have you \nseen?).\n\n>2.Have godlier than thou advertising. \n\nYou state this like it is a bad thing. :^) (remember, car companies use\nad agencies - they don\'t do their own ads!)\n\n>3.are part of Renault.\n\nIs this true? I know that they had done joint ventures with Renault, but I haven\'t\nheard about their subsumption into Renault - does this mean that the French Government\nnow owns Volvo? - anyway, Renault makes some very nice cars, they just don\'t sell\n\'em in N. America!\n\n>\n>However... One thing that I do think is in their favour is that they are\n>immediately recognisable as a VOLVO and that is not something you can say\n>about most Japanese manufacturers and Ford. Saab also have a strong corparate\n>look which like it or not is what I thing all car makers could aim for to\n>make life a little more varied.\n\nHere! Here!\n\n>\n>\n>mperry@vnet.ibm.com\n\nRoland\nrhorwell@atc.boeing.com\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard)\nSubject: Re: speeding up windows\nKeywords: speed\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 30\n\ndjserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes:\n\n>I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory\n\n>I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw\n>my computer "boggs" down and becomes really sluggish!\n\n>What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off\n\n>Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to\n>the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it?\n\n>Thanx in advance\n\n>Derek\n\n1) make sure your hard drive is defragmented. This will speed up more than \n just windows BTW. Use something like Norton\'s or PC Tools.\n2) I _think_ that leaving the wall paper out will use less RAM and therefore\n will speed up your machine but I could very will be wrong on this.\nThere\'s a good chance you\'ve already done this but if not it may speed things\nup. good luck\n\t\t\t\tMorgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu\n\t\t\t\t\t or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\n>--\n>$_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ \n>$\\\'o.O\' $Sociologist $ It\'s 106 miles to Chicago,we\'ve got a full tank$\n>$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it\'s dark,and$\n>$ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we\'re wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ \n',
"From: peterbak@microsoft.com (Peter Bako)\nSubject: JPEG file format?\nOrganization: Microsoft Corp.\nLines: 11\n\n\nWhere could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically\nI need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of \nthe image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used.\n\nAny suggestions?\n\nPeter\n\n-- \n(*)-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-\\/-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+(*)\n( UUCP: peterbak@microsoft || Is this all that I am? Is there )\n( CompuServe: 71170,1426 || nothing more? - V'ger )\n(*)-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-/\\-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+(*)\n",
"From: galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts)\nSubject: Re: Beginner's RF ???\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: storm.cfnr.colostate.edu\nOrganization: College of Natural Resources, Colo. State Univ.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <C5sr8H.JpH@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes:\n>Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference\n>to RF circuits? \n>Steve Klinkner AT&T Bell Labs srk@boeing.att.com\n\nI have the ARRL Handbook for the Radio AMateur, and I'm getting the\nSolid STate Design for the Radio Amateur.\n\nThe handbook is $25 and Solid State is $12 from ARRL, 225 Main, Newington,\nCT 06111 but you should be able to find them at electronics or amateur radio\nstores.\nARRL will want $5 or so for shipping.\nGood Luck,\nGalen Watts, KF0YJ\n\n\n",
"Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child?\nFrom: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian Segal)\nOrganization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1qhv50$222@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il> ranen@falafel.cs.huji.ac.il (Ranen Goren) writes:\n>Q: How many Nick Steel's does it take to twist any truth around?\n>A: Only one, and thank God there's only one.\n>\n>\tRanen.\n\nAbsolutely not true!\nThere are lots of them!\n\n _____ __Livian__ ______ ___ __Segal__ __ __ __ __ __\n *\\ /* | | \\ \\ \\ | | | | \\ |\n***\\ /*** | | |__ | /_ \\ \\ | | | | \\ |\n|---O---| | | / | \\ | | | | \\ |\n\\ /*\\ / \\___ / | \\ | | | \\ | | \\___ / | / |\n \\/***\\/ / | \\ | | | | | / | |\nVM/CMS: JhsegalL@Weizmann.weizmann.ac.il UNIX: Jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il\n",
'From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 18\n\nKent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote:\n: In article <11838@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert\n: Beauchaine) wrote:\n: > Someone spank me if I\'m wrong, but didn\'t Lord, Liar, or Lunatic\n: > originate with C.S. Lewis? Who\'s this Campollo fellow anyway?\n\n: I do think so, and isn\'t there a clear connection with the "I do\n: believe, because it is absurd" notion by one of the original\n: Christians (Origen?).\n\nThere is a similar statement attributed to Anselm, "I believe so that\nI may understand". In both cases reason is somewhat less exalted than\nanyone posting here could accept, which means that neither statement\ncan be properly analysed in this venue.\n\nBill\n\n\n',
'From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!)\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.015225.29031@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:\n>\n>* The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year.\n>\n\nThere was an article in one of the Toronto papers about this a few\nmonths ago...probably the Globe and Mail...\n\n...any ethical "journalist", even a sports journalist should not\naccept free meals from a team in any case, which was the one of\nthe points the article was making.\n\nAdmittdly, most sports reporting is mostly with any ethical\nstandards...\n\nGerald\n',
'From: masaoki@hpysodk.tky.hp.com (Masaoki Kobayashi)\nSubject: --- CR-ROM Drive Recommendation? ---\nOrganization: YHP Hachioji HSTD R&D, Tokyo Japan\nLines: 24\n\nHi all,\n\n I would like to purchase CD-ROM drive. The specs I would like to have is:\n\n * Applicable to Kodak multisession Photo-CD\n * SCSI(2) Interface\n * Compatible with Adaptec-1542B\n * Does not need any caddies\n * Cheaper ( < $500 if possible)\n * Double Speeded\n\n I believe there are no drives satisfying all of the above condition,\n so I would like to know all of your opinion. The above conditions\n are sorted by my priority.\n I think NEC CDR74-1/84-1 is a little bit expensive, but it DOES satisfy\n almost all of the above conditions. The problem is that I do not know\n the compatibility with 1542B. Has someone succeeded to connect these\n NEC drives to 1542B? I have heard a rumor that NEC drive is incompatible\n with 1542B adapter.\n Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.\n\nThanks in advance,\nKobayashi,Masaoki\n(masaoki@tky.hp.com)\n',
"From: Richard Soderberg <richard.soderberg@mic.ki.se>\nSubject: What disk drives are out there?\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F8983A43017A15@bart.mic.ki.se>\nX-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:56:10 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: bart.mic.ki.se\nOrganization: MIC-KIBIC, the Karolinska Institute, Sweden\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 14\n\nWhen sw is delivered you will often (always?) get 360 k\ndiskettes if you opt for the 5 1/4 inch format. How big a %-tage\nof existing PC/XT/AT/PS2's have these low capacity drives as\ntheir only diskette station? \n (o o)\n+------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-----------------------------+\n| Richard Soderberg, MD | The Karolinska Institute |\n| Systems analyst | MIC-KIBIC |\n| Voice#: +8 46 728 80 00 | Library and |\n| Fax# : +8 46 33 04 81 | Medical Information Center |\n| Snail : PO Box 602 01 | Doktorsringen 21 C, |\n| S-104 01 Stockholm | S-104 01 Stockholm |\n| Email : richard@micb.mic.ki.se | SWEDEN |\n+------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+\n",
'From: Seth Adam Eliot <se08+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD !\nOrganization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 58\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>\n\nExcerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 18-Apr-93 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD -\nGOOD ! by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu \n> Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms\n> \'deter\' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that\n> there are actually *few* cases where this is so. \n\nexcerpted from a letter I wrote a while ago:\n\n Although less apparent to those who have not researched\nthe facts, personal protection is as legitimate a reason as\nsport for the private citizen to own a gun. The most recent\nresearch is that of Dr. Gary Kleck of the Florida State\nUniversity School of Criminology.1 He found that handguns\nare more often used by victims to defeat crime than by\ncriminals to commit it (645,000 vs. 580,000 respectively in\nthis study). These figures are even more encouraging when\nyou consider the number of crimes that never occur because\nof the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding\nprivate citizen. In a National Institute of Justice study\nof ten state prisons across the country they found that 39%\nof the felons surveyed had aborted at least one crime\nbecause they believed that the intended victim was armed.,\nand 57% agreed that "most criminals are more worried about\nmeeting an armed victim than they are about running into the\npolice."2\n One of the most heinous of crimes is that against the\nwomen of this country. It has been my recent observation\nthat more women are purchasing handguns for defense in\nresponse to the present danger of these assaults. This\nshould be taken as encouraging news if the events of Orlando\nFlorida are any indicator. In the late 1960\'s the female\npopulace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults; just\nthe publicity of the record number of women buying guns and\nobtaining training resulted in an 88% decrease in rape for\nthat area, the only city of its size in the country to\nexperience a decrease of crime for that year. Additionally,\na 1979 US Justice Department study of 32,000 attempted rapes\nshowed that overall, when rape is attempted, the completion\nrate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself with a gun,\nthe completion rate drops to 3%.\n \n1 G Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America Aldine\nde Gruyter, NY, 1991\n2 JD Wright & PH Rossi Armed and Considered Dangerous: A\nSurvey of Felons and Their Firearms, Aldine de Gruyter, NY,\n1986\n-------\n\n__________________________________________________________________________\n[unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just\nbecome very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry\n \nSeth Eliot Dept of Material Science and Engineering\n Carnegie Mellon Univerity, Pittsburgh, PA\nARPA :eliot+@cmu.edu |------------------------------------------\n or se08+@andrew.cmu.edu |\nBitnet: se08%andrew@cmccvb | \n------------------------------|\n',
"From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt)\nSubject: Re: difference between VLB and ISA/EISA\nOrganization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu\n\nIn article <734874577snx@finbol.toppoint.de> jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) writes:\n>[......]\n>Better OSs (OS/2 & iX) are able to handle more than 16MB of DRAM,\n>if you use EISA-Bus.\n>Has someone experience with VLB ??\n>I think of SCSI-VLB-Busmaster. The problem is the 16bit Floppy DMA\n>controller, which is unable to reach more than 16MB.\n\nI don't think FD is a problem. Since FD is much sloooooooowwwwwwer\nthan HD, the overhead of double buffering doesn't matter.\n\nKen Nakata\n-- \n/* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in\nthis mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a\nsecond language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words\nor each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */\n",
"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland)\nSubject: Re: Prednisone...what are the significant long term side effects?\nOrganization: Gastroenterology - Univ of Alabama\nLines: 30\n\n> >I have been taking prednisone 5mg twice a day for a while to control\n> >Ulcerative Colitis. It seems like if I reduce the dosage, the problem\n> >becomes worse. At this point, i see myself taking prednisone for a long\n> >long time, perhaps for ever. I was wondering about long term major side\n> >effects, things like potential birth defects, arthritis etc. I have been\n> >putting on weight, my face looks puffed and round, experience sudden mood\n> >swings. As I understand, these are all short term.\n\nI second what Spenser Aden said in reply. Additionally, it is hard to say\nwhat type of response you ar3e having to prednisone since you did not say\nhow long you have been on it. Patients are generally kept on steroids for\nmonths before thinking about tapering. Alternatives to daily dosing are \nevery other day dosing, in your case 20mg every other day would be a start.\nAnother option if it is not possible to get you off prednisone is to start\nazathioprine. Like Spenser said, you should generally be on another drug\nin addition to your prednisone, like asulfidine. A lot of the specifics\nabout options, though, depends on severity, location, and duration of \ndisease, as well as histology, so take advice off the net for what it\nis worth. \n\nI treat patients with UC and Crohn's. An educated patient is a good \npatient, but let your doctor know where the advice came from so things\ncan be put in context. You should also be a member of the Crohn's and\nColitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 office / 1-800-343-3637\ninfo hotline.\n\nBest of Luck to you.\n\nSteve Holland.\ngila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu\n",
"From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)\nSubject: TEAM POOL - Tabulations\nNntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523\nLines: 40\n\nThanks for the 41 people who have entered this year's TEAM POOL.\n\nHere is a summary of what was picked:\n\n1st Round:\nPittsburgh 41, New Jersey 0\nChicago 40, St. Louis 1\nBoston 40, Buffalo 1\nVancouver 30, Winnipeg 11\nCalgary 27, Los Angeles 14\nDetroit 26, Toronto 15\nWashington 24, New York Islanders 15 (2 people picked New Jersey)\nQuebec 23, Montreal 18\n\n2nd Round:\nPittsburgh 38, Washington 2, New York Islanders 1\nBoston 31, Quebec 6, Montreal 4\nDetroit 21, Chicago 15, Toronto 5\nCalgary 18, Vancouver 14, Los Angeles 8, Winnipeg 1\n\n3rd Round:\nPittsburgh 31, Boston 7, Quebec 2, Washington 1\nDetroit 18, Chicago 11, Toronto 5, Vancouver 3, Calgary 2, Los Angeles 2\n\nFinals:\nPittsburgh 26, Boston 5, Detroit 4, Toronto 2, Quebec 2, Los Angeles 1, Chicago\n1\n\nGood luck to all!\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n* Mike Burger * My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario, *\n* mmb@lamar.colostate.edu * the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida *\n* A Beginning Computing TA Stud * four months a year. *\n* over 500 students served * --Royal Canadian Air Farce *\n*******************************************************************************\n* University of Michigan - 1990 -- Colorado State University - 199? *\n*******************************************************************************\n\n",
'From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back\nLines: 40\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <8110356@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:\n\n>> From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin)\n>> \n>> >RM:Just a short thought: \n>> >When you ask the question of the "authorities" or sponsors of buyback\n>> >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer\n>> >"no, it\'s total amnesty".\n>\n>> Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy \n>> back\' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty" can \n>> you get if you leave paper trail behind?\n>\n>In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver\n>Nuggets basketball game. \n>\n>How traceable is a money order? (I don\'t know. Haven\'t used one in 20 years)\n\n Money orders operate pretty much like checks, with both parties being\nsupposed to sign them. I assume you\'d have to show the buy-back people\nan ID, and you\'d then have a money order made out to that ID. \n\n As far as traceable as a practical matter, I don\'t know, it would\ndepend on whether they bother to computerize who the recipient\'s name is\non the money order and bother keying that sort of thing in. I\'d say\ncertainly the police and the buyback people would keep a record of who\nthey gave money orders out to.\n\n>Is that even an issue if the weapons aren\'t checked for being stolen?\n\n There might be some questions asked, I suppose, if somebody \nbrought in a number of weapons each time over a series of "buy back"\nprograms.\n\n \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\nlove me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n',
"From: umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu (Mathew Scott Smith)\nSubject: Axion Serial port switcher: Good or bad?\nOrganization: Drexel University\nLines: 26\n\nHi!\n\n I'm looking into buying a serial port switcher, because while my Mac has\ntwo serial ports, I have AppleTalk, a modem, a printer, MIDI, and a sound\ndigitizer. (2 != 5, unfortunately.)\n\n Specifically, I'm looking at the Axion electronic switcher, because it\nseems to be fairly cheap. (About $128 at MacZone.)\n\n Does anyone know anything about it? I've heard that with most of these\nthings you can still only use 2 serial ports at a time, it just prevents you\nfrom physically swapping cables. Although I've also heard that programs\nthat use the Comm Toolbox may be able to use as many serial ports as they\nwant; does anyone know if this is true with the Axion switchbox?\n\n Finally, if the Axion stinks, or if you're using something else that you\nthink is good, I'd be interested in hearing about other products. I would\nlike to spend under $140, if possible.\n\n Please reply through mail; I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup.\nIf there's interest, I can post a summary of replies.\n\nThanks a lot!\n\nM. Scott Smith\n (umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu)\n",
"From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1qnaesINNemf\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu\n\nwild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) writes:\n\n>rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes:\n\n>>Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue \n>>multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, \n>>and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably \n>>be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the \n>>main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August.\n>>\tThe Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense \n>>competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will \n>>arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the \n>>client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, \n>>partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). \n>>(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't\n>>scorn the concept.)\n>>\tAnyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be \n>>released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out \n>>til '96.\n>How does Chicago differ from the (sort of) announced Windows 4. My understand-\n>ing, at least from the InbfoWorld accound of Windows 4 is that it's sort\n>of NT Lite--a full-fledged operating system but lacking server and security\n>features that make NT such a bear. Is W4 not true multithreading?\n\n \n\tCan anyone tell me how Chicago/Windows 4 would differ from\nOS/2 2.x? Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war,\nhere. I'm simply curious if there is going to be any feature\nadvantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that\nit has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...)\n",
'From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)\nSubject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek\nOriginator: news@nimaster\nNntp-Posting-Host: chroma.princeton.edu\nOrganization: Princeton University\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.142747.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu \nwrites:\n> In article <C5sB3p.IB9@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) \nwrites:\n> > I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first\n> > black woman in space (she\'s a physician and chemical engineer who flew\n> > on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the\n> > "Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode that airs the week of May 31.\n> > It\'s hardly space science, I know, but it\'s interesting.\n> > \n> > Doug Loss\n> \n> \n> Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an\n> astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future \nof\n> space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space..\n> \n\n\nA transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually \nit is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would \nhave expected a more visible/meaningful role.\n\n---\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, |\n| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human |\n| | stupidity, and I\'m not sure |\n| | about the former. - Einstein |\n| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------|\n| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra |\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu (Jamie Fitzpatrick)\nSubject: Re: Photogrammetric Camera\nKeywords: photogrammetric Camera\nOrganization: Adelphi University\nLines: 20\n\n\nHello,\n\n While refurbishing our observatory I came across the above mentioned camera. It was manufactured\nby the Instrument Corporation of Florida ~ 1970. Now for my questions:\n\n1) Does anyone have any knowledge of this equipement ?\n2) Does anyone know of the company (phone numbers ?) ?\n3) Are there any others out there...I need some parts.\n\n\nAny responces are greatly appreciated.\n\n take care,\n jamie\n\n jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu\n\n\n\n',
' cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nFrom: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\n <930401.112329.0u1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> <11710@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\nLines: 17\n\nbobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n\n> And in the US, even that argument doesn\'t stand. It costs far\n> more to execute a criminal in this country than it does to feed,\n> clothe, and shelter them for the remainder of their natural life.\n> Some people believe this is a fault of our judicial system. I\n> find it to be one of it\'s greatest virtues.\n\nI assume that you are talking about the appeals processes, etc.?\nWell, it should be noted that people who are imprisoned for life\nwill also tend to appeal (though not quite as much in the "final\nhours."\n\nAnyway, economics is not a very good reason to either favor or oppose\nthe punishment.\n\nkeith\n',
"Subject: newss\nFrom: pollarda@physc1.byu.edu\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Brigham Young University\nLines: 24\n\n\n\nI am working on a project where we are going to be including\nboth still and moving grapics within a database. Of course\nJPEG and MPEG come to mind as the formats of choice for the\nvarious files. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems\nas if there are several different forms of each of these.\n\nWhat I want to do, is settle on a file format which I can count\non as being a standard format 10 years from now. I know Apple is going\nto support Quicktime on the new Power PC's and, so this\nmay be the format of choice.\n\nWhat format does Apple's Quicktime use for their products? I guess\nit is some kind of MPEG for their motion picture. Is it any different\nthan standard MPEG files?\n\nThanx for any info!\n\nArt.\nPollarda@xray.byu.edu\n\n\n \n",
'From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <115468@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n|> In article <1qg79g$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> >You are amazed that I find it difficult to grasp it when\n|> >people justify death-threats against Rushdie with the \n|> >claim "he was born Muslim?"\n|> \n|> This is empty rhetoric. I am amazed at your inability to understand what\n|> I am saying not that you find it difficult to "grasp it when people\n|> justify death-threats...". I find it amazing that your ability to\n|> consider abstract questions in isolation. You seem to believe in the\n|> falsity of principles by the consequence of their abuse. You must *hate*\n|> physics!\n\nYou\'re closer than you might imagine. I certainly despised living\nunder the Soviet regime when it purported to organize society according\nto what they fondly imagined to be the "objective" conclusions of\nMarxist dialectic.\n\nBut I don\'t hate Physics so long as some clown doesn\'t start trying\nto control my life on the assumption that we are all interchangeable\natoms, rather than individual human beings.\n\njon. \n',
'From: robm@ataraxia.Berkeley.EDU (Rob McNicholas)\nSubject: FOR SALE: 1984 Toyota Pickup - $2800\nOrganization: Technical and Computing Services, U.C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA\nLines: 26\nDistribution: ca\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ataraxia.berkeley.edu\n\n\t PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ACCOUNT\n\nFOR SALE:\n\nBlue 1984 Toyota pickup truck with white blazer topper, AM/FM/Casette,\nA/C, cruise control. Great for camping trips.\n\nNew: brakes, master brake cylinder, Michelin tires, shocks,\nmaintenance free battery, clutch, windshield wipers.\n\nWell maintained with all Toyota parts (all repairs done at the\ndealers.) Very little rust, body in good shape. \n\n126K miles\n\nAsking $2800. If interested, please contact:\n\n Ursula Fritsch\n umf@gene.com\n (415)-347-6813\n\n\t PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ACCOUNT\n\n--\nRob McNicholas\t\t Technical & Computing Services, EE/CS, U.C. Berkeley\nrobm@eecs.berkeley.edu\t Voice: 510/642-8633 FAX: 510/643-7846\n',
'From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU \nSubject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust)\nOriginator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:\n|> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel\n|> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.\n|> -- \n|> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org\nMr. water-head,\ni never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that\nisrael went into southern lebanon to make sure that no \nwater is being used on the lebanese\nside, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there\nisrael will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.\n\nHasan \n',
"From: bts@rock.concert.net (Bruce T Smith -- Personal Account)\nSubject: Disappearing hard drive in LC?\nOrganization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX\nLines: 31\n\nThe internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to\nhear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened.\n\nIt is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system\n7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated\nchain.\n\nI had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes\nhave thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking\nquestion mark. I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed\nokay, but there was no sign of the internal.\n\nI installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot\nfrom it. I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire\nabout the internal drive. They either could not find it or got errors in\ntrying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it\nis a Quantum... )\n\nWell, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work. But, at some point I\nnoticed that the internal had reappeared. Now, Disk First Aid says that\nall's well, etc. Things seem to be fine.\n\nBut, what happened? Was this a warning that something (the internal HD\nor something else) is about to die? I'm definitely nervous.\n\nAnd, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I\ncan only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC? Some folks have claimed\nthere's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and\nthat includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay.\n\nThanks for answers.\n",
'From: gtalatin@vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu (Gerard V. Talatinian)\nSubject: Low cost oscilloscopes?\nNntp-Posting-Host: vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu\nReply-To: gtalatin@ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 12\n\nI am looking at buying a low cost (< $500) scope for general purpose use.\nAny recommendations? Is this info in a faq somewhere?\nAny pointers appreciated.\nThanks,\n -Gerard.\n\n******************************************************************\n* Gerard Talatinian | *\n* Network Systems | gtalatin@ucs.indiana.edu *\n* University Computing Services | FAX: (812) 855-8299 *\n* Indiana University | Voice: (812) 855-0962 *\n******************************************************************\n',
'From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nOrganization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes:\n>I think that\'s the correct spelling..\n\nCrullerian.\n\n>\tI am looking for any information/supplies that will allow\n>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I\'m thinking\n>that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for\n>sale, but I don\'t know any of the companies. Any info is greatly\n>appreciated.\n\nCrullerian photography isn\'t educational, except in a purely satiric\nsense.\n\n>\tIn case you don\'t know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my\n>knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic\n>object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns\n>or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type\n>of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might\n>extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within\n>the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature.\n\nCrullerian photography involves putting donuts between grease-covered\nhot metal plates while illuminating them with a Krypton Stroboscope.\nThrough a unique iteration involving the 4th-dimensional projection of\na torus through the semi-stochastic interactions of hot monomolecular\nlipid layers covering the metal plates (the best metal is iron since\nit repels Vampires and Succubi) the donuts start developing flutes,\nand within moments actually become poly-crenellated hot greasy\nbreadtubes. Some people believe that food is the way to a man\'s heart,\nbut most psychics agree that there is nothing like hot Crullers for\nbreakfast; the chemical composition of crullers is a mystery, some\nthought evidence of Charles Fort\'s channeling in Stevie Wonder\'s\nproduction of "The Secret Life of Plants" when played backwards in the\ntheatre of unnaturally fertile Findhorn Farms has deduced that they\nare complex carbohydrates ordinarily only found by spectoscopy in the\nMagellenic Clouds. I called Devi on my Orgone Box and asked her if\nthis was really the case, and she TM levitated me a letter across the\nAtlantic to tell me it was indeed not just another case of\nmisunderstanding Tesla, though the Miskatonic University hasn\'t\nconfirmed anything at all. At least the Crullers taste good; I got the\nrecipe from Kaspar Hauser.\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n| Le Jojo: Fresh \'n\' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live\n| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.\n',
"From: narain@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Nizam Arain)\nSubject: Floptical Question\nArticle-I.D.: news.C519MM.M2L\nReply-To: narain@uiuc.edu\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 17\n\nHi. I am looking into buying a Floptical Drive, and was wondering what \nexperience people have with the drives from Iomega, PLI, MASS MicroSystems, \nor Procom. These seem to be the main drives on the market. Any advice?\n\nAlso, I heard about some article in MacWorld (Sep '92, I think) about \nFlopticals. Could someone post a summary, if they have it?\n\nThanks in advance. (Reply by post or email, whichever you prefer.)\n\n--Nizam\n\n--\n\n / * \\ Nizam Arain \\ What makes the universe\n|| || (217) 384-4671 / so hard to comprehend \n| \\___/ | Internet: narain@uiuc.edu \\ is that there is nothing\n \\_____/ NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu / to compare it with.\n",
"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)\nSubject: Re: Part 4 (Re: Looks like Clayton must retract\nOrganization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.\nDistribution: ca\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <1ppi1gINNg19@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes:\n >>>Does the greatly increased rates of incarceration amongst\n >>>blacks show that they are dysfunctional or that the majority\n >>>of them support criminal activity?\n >>>\n >Isn't this a matter of demographics? Doesn't this simply show\n >that since criminal behaviour is common (or apt to be common)\n >in the 18-34 (insert your favorite correct numbers here) year\n >old range and since the percentage of blacks in this range is\n >higher than in other groups, then it follows statistically\n >that more blacks in prison is an expected result?\n >\n >Note that I haven't said anything about blacks being given\n >stiffer or longer sentences than other groups. I'm sure this\n >has to have an effect on the issue of over-representation of\n >blacks in prison...\n\nBlacks have the same (+- 2%) crime report rate, arrest rate, and incarceration\nrate for violent crimes.\n\nSo I doubt that for violent crimes, that there is any inherent bias mechanism\npresent.\n\nThere is a wider discrepancy for all crimes for blacks wrt to 3 categories.\n\nInterestingly enough, the discrepancy is the largest in the Southern\nUnited States -- where blacks are incarcerated well BELOW the average in\nthe rest of the United States! Which points to an anti-bias-against wrt\nblacks.\n\nIn any case, for violent crimes and burglary and drug selling, blacks are\nreported 53%, arrested 44%, and are present in jails/prisons 47% (1988).\n\nConsidering that 12% of the population is black, 6% are black males, and\nsome percentage of that is out of the high/low age groups, we do have a\nsituation where (if I remember my old calculations right) 4% of the\npopulation commits almost half of the really nasty crimes.\n\nBlacks with similar histories (crime) to whites get the same sentences,\nexcept in the South, where they receive around 20% less on paper!!\n\n\n\n-- \nThere are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of\nenvironmental disaster. Weird, eh?\n\nThese opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)\n",
'From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nNntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca\nOrganization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada\nLines: 28\n\nrubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes:\n\n>How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular \n>Motorola microcontrollers. I am a novice at microcontrollers, but I am\n>starting to get into them for some of my projects. I have several 256k\n>SIMMs laying around from upgraded Macs and if I could use them as "free"\n>memory in one or two of my projects that would be great. One project that\n>comes to mind is a Caller ID device that would require quite a bit of RAM\n>to store several hundered CID records etc...\n\nAssuming 68HC11...\nIn expanded muxed mode, you *could* do it. Much easier if you get a DRAM\ncontroller IC. The MMI 673102 could be used to implement this, or you\ncould use a counter and a huge multiplexer to provide row/column/refresh\naddress multiplexing. The thing with DRAMs is that they require wierd\ntiming, address multiplexing, and refresh.\n\nActually, if you wanted to use a 68008 IC, you could look at AN897, which\nhas a neat controller built in. There is also the 683xx, I think one\nof those has the DRAM controller built in. This one is for the 6664\nDRAM, however, the 41256 has only one more address line, adding only\nanother component or so. The 256k SIMMs are basically 8 or 9 41256\nDRAM chips (or their equivalent in fewer packages).\n\nIt *can* be done, just takes a bit of logic design. I\'m actually\nabout to do it using a 65C02P3 chip... I\'ve got 8 256k simms... that\'s\n2 megabytes on my Apple //e... (used to be in my \'386).\n\n',
'From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nOrganization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia\nLines: 48\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nukta.astro.ubc.ca\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes:\n>\n>In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:\n>\n>>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from\n>>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than\n>>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a \n>>decent year (although it didn\'t live up to the expectations of some).\n>\n>Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style\n>player. He plays hard at all times, doesn\'t disregard his defensive\n>responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his\n>ice time.\n>\n>Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a "me first" attitude.\n>This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time.\n>\n>Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than\n>Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty\n>sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When\n>you add to that Jagr\'s better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident\n>that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one.\n>\n\n Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to\n flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than\n Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of\n hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty\n plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available.\n\n Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice\n time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out\n in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up\n against the other team\'s top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would\n much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious\n merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications.\n\n Brad\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Brad K. Gibson INTERNET: gibson@geop.ubc.ca\n Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy \n #129-2219 Main Mall PHONE: (604)822-6722\n University of British Columbia FAX: (604)822-6047\n Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada\n V6T 1Z4\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Allah Akbar and Praise the Lord.\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 15\n\nMaddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote:\n: \n: And thank the Lord that Bill Connor has returned to set\n: us straight! Now I know I can die happy when my Lexus\n: SE400 wipes out on that rain-slick curve in 1997. The\n: rest of you had best straighten up, because your time \n: is even more limited. Most of you are going in the Flu\n: of 1994.\n\nMaddi,\n\nYou know you're glad to have me visit ...\nBut I won't stay long this time, just shopping around.\n\nBill\n",
'From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)\nSubject: Re: the usual\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 41\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nhollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:\n\n>The possession of nuclear arms (actually weapons grade fissionables) is\n>currently regulated only by market forces. I.e.: To own them you have to\n>either make them, buy them or steal them. The only thing that stops you\n>is the staggering cost (more than most nations can afford), the fact that\n>no one who has them wants to sell to you and the tight security maintained\n>on existing stocks. (Just ask Saddam Hussein).\n\nI was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e.,\nplutonium or reactor/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain\na federal permit to own such materials.\n\n>Given a source of fissionables, you can build a bomb in your garage with\n>parts from hardware stores and electronic junk supplies. You might have\n>to engage in some shady dealings to get the explosive charge, but that\'s\n>trivial compared to getting the plutonium. The basic information on the\n>design was declassified years ago and can be dug out of any technical\n>library by a physics grad student.\n\nActually, why bother looking it up? From the material we covered last\nterm (in 10 weeks) of Ge/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive*\nwhat it would take to build a bomb. And as far as the explosive charge,\nI (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly\navailable chemicals in the garage if I felt like. The electronics \nbehind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier,\nhowever . . . but not impossible using a few "tricks of the trade."\nAnd if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of \nhydrogen and deuterium . . .\n\nOf course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material\nto start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together. \n(Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .)\n\n>The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)\n>Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp Laws define crime.\n>3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (310) 450-9111, x2483 Police enforce laws.\n>Santa Monica, CA 90405 Citizens prevent crime.\n\naaron\narc@cco.caltech.edu\n',
'From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)\nSubject: Re: Science and Methodology\nOrganization: Purdue University Statistics Department\nDistribution: inet\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:\n\n>In article <C5I2Bo.CG9@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:\n>> The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre\n>> scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. \n>> It depends on the quality of their THINKING. \n\n\t\t\t....................\n\n>Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between\n>Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of\n>their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a\n>genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts\n>are scientifically screwy?\n\nThis example is probably wrong. There is the case of one famous\nphysicist telling another that he was probably wrong. As I recall\nthe quote:\n\n\tYour ideas are crazy, to be sure. But they are not crazy\n\tenough to be right.\n\nThe typical screwball is only somewhat screwy.\n-- \nHerman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399\nPhone: (317)494-6054\nhrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) \n{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)\n',
"From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller)\nSubject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE\nNntp-Posting-Host: irl2\nOrganization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.131508.9518@ra.msstate.edu> fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:\n>kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes:\n>>Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote:\n>>: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the\n>>: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now,\n>>: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior\n>>: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us\n>>: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and\n>>: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to.\n>>: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time.\n>>: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit.\n>\n>I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this. He seems\n>to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well.\n\nConsidering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would\nbe inclined to risk any extra exposure on.\n\n>\n>>Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; \n>>\n>>I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. \n>>\n>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. \n>\n>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, very few\n>airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the\n>answer. What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane\n>from scatch? It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls\n>again, for it to be scrapped. THe other option is to try to extend\n>the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old.\n\nIf you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s\nwould be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the \nprogram. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.\n\n>\n>>Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. \n>>Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. \n>\n>It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it. We especially don't need a B-2. THe\n>SSN-21, I know litttle about.\n>\nAgreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf.\nThe shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there\nis a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing\nthe number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail\ngetting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class.\n\nPolitically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get\nSeawolf subs whether we need them or not.\n\nIn addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station\nand others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being \nrequired to home port a total fleet of 320 ships.\n\nThe question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\na pork happy Congress.\n\n\n-- Marc Mueller\n",
'From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)\nSubject: Re: Exploding TV!\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 6\n\nSounds like the picture tube lost vacuum. This would cause the filament\nto ignite and could actually turn the tube from a vacuum to a pressure\nvessel, followed by an explosion when the neck assembly (mostly likely\ncracked to begin with) blows off. During the whole sequence of events,\nthe other circuits may continue functioning, which accounts for not\nlosing sound.\n',
"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace)\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.223054.10273@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:\n>Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands.\n>Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must\n>never forget...\n>\n>\n>>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East.\n>\n>Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem\n>have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past.\n>\n> Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by\n> control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race\n> or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary.\n>\n>>I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as\n>>well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful\n>>discussion and enrichment.\n>>\n>>Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND\n>\n>Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos\n>off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed.\n>\n>-- Chris Metcalfe\n\nChris, solid job at discussing the inherent Nazism in Mr. Davidsson's post.\nOddly, he has posted an address for hate mail, which I think we should\nall utilize. And Elias,\n\nWie nur dem Koph nicht alle Hoffnung schwindet,\nDer immerfort an schalem Zeuge klebt?\n\nPeace,\npete\n\n",
'From: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler)\nSubject: Re: Christian Parenting\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 83\n\n\n Sorry for posting this, but my e-mail keeps bouncing. Maybe it will\nhelp others here, anyway, and therefore I pray others will read this. It is\nactually a response from my Aunt, who has 5 kids, since I have none yet.\n\n>Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into\n>young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of\n>children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating\n>information on discipline within the Christian home.\n>\n>Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me\n>your response to the following questionaire. All responses\n>will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare\n>stats.\n I\'m posting this for a good Christian relative who does not have e-mail\naccess. Since this aunt and uncle have 5 kids I felt they would be more\nrelevant than I, who have none (yet).\n\n>1. Ages & sexes of children\n 13-year-old (13YO) twins, 10YO boy, 6.5YO boy, 2YO girl\n\n>2. Do you spank your kids?\n I don\'t call it spanking, but they do, so yes, very rarely.\n\n>3. If so how often?\n I don\'t call it spanking because it\'s more of a reaction to something\nvery dangerous, such as trying to stick their finger in a fan or running\ninto the road. Maybe 3-4 times for each except for the 2YO girl, who has\nnot been spanked yet.\n They call it that because it *does* hurt their feelings, and of course\nI give all the hugs and stuff to ensure they know they\'re still loved.\n\n>4. Do you use an implement to spank with?\n No, that would be too painful. If it\'s too traumatic they never recall\nwhy they were punished. Besides, it must be immediate, and taking the time\nto go get a toolmeans you\'re not doing it right away, and that lessens the\nimpact. It\'s very emotional for a child as it is - which is evidenced by the\nfact that a little slap on the rear - which hurts for perhaps 5 seconds -\nis called a spanking.\n>\n>5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use?\n Lots of logical consequences - for instance, when 4YO Matthew dared\na good friend to jump out of his treehouse or he would push him out, I made\nsure they didn\'t play together for 5 days so he\'d know that would make him\nlose friends very quickly. He\'s never done anything like that since.\n We also use time-out in their rooms - I use a timer so they don\'t keep\narguing with me over leaving, since it\'s hard to argue with a macine.\nI will go to the closed door and tell them timeout won\'t be over until they\ncalm down if they\'re too tantrumy. I use the top of the stairs when they\'re\nreally young.\n\n>6. Your age?\n 40\n\n>7. Your location\n Bath, Ohio. It\'s right outside of Akron, in the northeast part of Ohio.\n\n>8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal\n>offence?\n No, and none of my kids would dream of it. I hope you can use this to\nteach all parents that physical punishment isn\'t always required - parents use\nthat as an excuse to hit too hard.\n\n>9. How ere you disciplined as a kid\n Lots of timeouts, same as I use. Our family and my husband\'s have never\nused spankings. In fact, my grandmother in law was one of 11 kids, and they\nwere almost never spanked. This was around the turn of the century. And,\nnone of us has ever been afoul of the law - man-made or God\'s law.\n Jesus says, referring to a small child whom he is holding, that "what\nye do to the least of these, ye do also to me." The Bible also says in all\nthings to be kind, and merciful, and especially loving. (Colossians 3:12-15.)\nThere is no room for selfish anger, which I\'ll admit I\'ve been tempted with\nat times. When I\'ve felt like spanking hard in anger, maybe the kid deserved\na little slap on the rear, but what I would have given would have been the\ndevil\'s work. I could feel the temptation, and just angrily ordered the kid\nto his/her room and went to my room myself. After praying and asking God\'s\nforgiveness, I was much calmer, and did not feel like spanking, but felt that\nwhat I had done was enough punishment.\n-- \nDoug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other\n Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love\nmissed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, \'cause Heaven is just a great\nhe ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"\n',
'Subject: Cubs mailing list\nFrom: andrew@dark.side.of.the.moon.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: OU - Academic User Services\nNntp-Posting-Host: loopback.uoknor.edu\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 14\nLines: 14\n\n\n\tIs there anyone out there running a Chicago National\n\tLeague Ballclub list? If so, please send me information\n\ton it to...\n\t\t\tandrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu\n\n\tThanks!\n\n|\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/|\n|O| _ | Chihuahua Charlie | OU is not responsible |O|\n|O| | | | Academic User Services | for anything anywhere, |O|\n|O| |||| | The University of Oklahoma | except for that one |O|\n|O| |_| | andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu | incident where 200... |O|\n|O|____________________________________________________________________|O|\n',
'From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)\nSubject: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA\nLines: 45\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov\n\nI am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in\nnetwork newsland who has heard of something similar to what I am going\nto describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced\na seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog\'s Frosted\nFlakes. She is perfectly healthy, had never experienced anything like\nthis before, and there is no history of seizures in either side of the\nfamily. All the tests (EEG, MRI, EKG) came out negative so the decision\nwas made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again.\n\nWell, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had\na bowl of another Kellog\'s frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am\nembarrassed to admit that I even bought that junk but every once\nin a while...) So I pour it in her bowl and think "Oh, oh, this is the\nsame kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure." Ten \nminutes later she had a full blown seizures. This was her first exposure\nto a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure.\n\nWhen I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for\nthe seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea. Now\nafter this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even\nhe is scratching his head. Once again her EEG looks normal which I\nunderstand can happen even when a person has a seizure.\n\nOnce again we are waiting. I have been thinking that it would be good\nto get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any\nexperience with this kind of thing. I know that members of the medical\ncommunity are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and\nfoods play in our general health and well-being. Anyway, as you can\nguess, I am worried sick about this, and would appreciate any ideas\nanyone out there has. Sorry to be so wordy but I wanted to really get\nacross what is going on here.\n\nThanks.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--\nSharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov\nNASA Langley Research Center\nBldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241\nHampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362\n',
'From: hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*)\nSubject: re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame)\nOrganization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility\nLines: 21\n\nNutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than\nsugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces \nwhen it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to\nfor methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate \nsubstances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde\nproduced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to\nliving cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. \n\nPhenylalanine is\nnothing for you to worry about. It is an amino acid, and everyone uses small\nquantities of it for protein synthesis in the body. Some people have a disease\nknown as phenylketoneurea, and they are missing the enzyme necessary to \ndegrade this compound and eliminate it from the body. For them, it will \naccumulate in the body, and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve\ncells. Therefore, it is Only a major problem in young children (until around\nage 10 or so) or women who are pregnant and have this disorder. It used to\nbe a leading cause of brain damage in infants, but now it can be easily \ndetected at birth, and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine\nas a child, or when pregnant. \n\n-heather\n',
'From: gwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ge Wang)\nSubject: Packages for Fashion Designers?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 3\n\nHello, I am looking for commercial software packages for professional\nfashion designers. Any recommendation and pointers are greatly appreciated.\nPlease e-mail me, if you may. Thanks a million. -- Ge\n',
'From: gelldav@elof.iit.edu (David A. Geller)\nSubject: Parity Error - System Halted /anyone have any ideas?\nOrganization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago\nLines: 28\n\nI recently bought an AMD 386/40. The motherboard booklet says\nthe board is a "391 WB/H." I have 4 1x3 simms on board. The machine\nalso uses a Super IDE I/O Card (model PT-604). (of course niether\nthe motherboard or the I/O card booklet clearly state who the manufacurers\nare) I\'m also using a Trident 8900C SVGA card.\n\n\tAnyway, that\'s all of the pertinent info I can think of.\nMy problem is that the computer often freezes or displays "Parity Error --\nSystem Halted" messages depending on whether I set the Memory Parity Error\nChecking to "disabled" or "enabled" in the setup of the bios (makes sense).\nIts AMI bios (so it must be an AMI board?).\n\n\tI just took it back to the dealer and they replaced all of the\nSIMMS but I keep getting the same error (more frequently now). It all\nworked at the dealer and didn\'t start screwing up \'till I got home (figures).\n\n\tI\'ve tried to take out all of the SIMMS and even re-inserted them\nin reverse order, making sure that the connections were solid.\n\n\tMy suspicion jumps to this damn all in one HD controller/serial/\nparallel/game-port I/O card, or to the motherboard (God forbid).\n\n\tCAN ANYONE HELP?\n\nThanks, Peace,\nDavid Geller\ngelldav@elof.acc.iit.edu\n\n',
"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes:\n>Public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely\n>have your gun stolen, use it yourself on a family member or\n>have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal.\n\nActually, they won't. What they'll tell you is that if you add up the\nnumber of suicides, murders of one drug dealer by another, legit\nself-defenses of a battered spouse, and so on, you'll end up with a\nnumber that is much larger than the number of self-defense killings\nagainst strangers committed in the bedroom. (BTW - they didn't\nhonestly count the latter either, but let's not quibble.) They\ntry to claim that comparison is between the costs of self-defense\nand the benefits, but they're wrong.\n\nThis comparison doesn't measure the costs of self-defense and it\ndoesn't measure the benefits either. For example, the goal is not to\nkill the attacker, whatever your relationship to him, but to stop him.\nWhile the number of killings may be proportional to the number of\nstops, it isn't equal.\n\nAnyone who confuses that comparison with an honest evaluation\nis either lying or....\n\n-andy\n--\n",
'From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view\nOrganization: DSI/USCRPAC\nLines: 18\n\n\ndwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the\neffects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading\nbetween the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one\nrespect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and\nlocal agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally.\n\nThere has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about\ninadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to\nadmissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from\ntime to time be simple fishing expeditions.\n\nDavid\n-- \nDavid Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n our information, errors and omissions excepted. \n\n\n',
'From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)\nSubject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <C5I2HM.JwC@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:\n>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:\n>& \n>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which\n>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less\n>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction\n>\n>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which\n>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less\n>power. And less brakes.\nBzzzt. The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS. I personally,\nand recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than-\naverage rider aboard. He said it took two fingers on that measely\nsingle front disk to accomplish the task. How much more brake do\nyou need?\n\n>As such, it\'s somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will \n>still handle magnificently, it just won\'t be very fast. There are\n>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the \n>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren\'t perfect.\nI haven\'t gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven\'t\nhad a problem with the 750SS being too slow. The limited steering\nlock can be a problem if you aren\'t prepared for it. The mirrors\nare very good, IMHO. Someone forgot to tell their designer about\nthe "whazza behind you, she no matta" philosophy.\n\n>Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home\n>1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, \'62 F-100, PL510\nHmmmm. I don\'t see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig. Did I miss\nsomething?\n\nBeth\n\n=================================================================\nBeth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com\n1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl" DoD #0384\n1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat" FSSNOC #1843\n1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903\n1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8\n"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."\n -- ZZ Top\n=================================================================\n',
'From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)\nSubject: Re: V-max handling request\nReply-To: randy@megatek.com\nOrganization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.232009.8534@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:\n|Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,\n|handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset\n|according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can\'t have \n|everything...\n\n Sure you can have everything, if by "everything" you mean fast straight line\nperformance AND handling - present day liter sport bikes have more horsepower\nand have faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than the V-max... Plus, they corner\njust a bit better...\n\n| Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards\n|of the early 80\'s but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.\n\n Very true.\n\nRandy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com\nZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy\nDoD #0013\n\n "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_\n\n',
'From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)\nSubject: TIGER STADIUM GIF?\nOrganization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com\n\nDoes anybody have a GIF of the Tiger Stadium seating chart? Thanks!\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBrian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n "I didn\'t think I should\'ve been asked to catch\n\t when the temperature was below my age."\n - Carlton Fisk, Chicago White Sox catcher, \n on playing during a 40-degree April ball game\n',
'From: hughes@jupiter.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes)\nSubject: Manual for Eprom Blower (Logical Devices Prompro-8) Wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.ral.rpi.edu\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 7\n\n\n I have an eprom blower made by Logical Devices and the\n model name is Prompro-8, but I have lost the manual. Does anyone\n have a spare manual that they would like to sell ?\n\n Declan Hughes\n hughes@ral.rpi.edu\n',
"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nSubject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 18\nReply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says:\n\n>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS.\n\nOK: So you were a naive teen.\n\n>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's. \n\n\tWrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909.\nBut he was born LAST century (1883).\n\n>\n>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil. \n\nNo it isn't. \n\n\n",
"From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)\nSubject: Re: Expansion\nOriginator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <PATRICK.93Apr2201529@blanco.owlnet.rice.edu> patrick@blanco.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:\n>On Fri, 2 Apr 1993 22:05:16 GMT, vamwendt@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Michael Wendt) said\n\n>>16. Albany (New York), Boise (Idaho)--A couple of cities with fair interest\n>>but size and closeness to other teams is a question.\n\n>Albany has their AHL franchise (though it goes by the Capital District label),\n>but Boise? Forget it. The CHL made an attempt at that part of the country in\n>1983-84, with a franchise in Great Falls -- and no one showed up. Folks up in\n>that part of the PNW just aren't interested in hockey.\n\nHey Patrick, the Montana Magic played in Billings, not Great Falls...\n\n>--PLH, I know where I'd put the next two NHL expansion teams: Phoenix and\n>Houston, assuming the Whalers don't pack up and move in the meantime...\n\nMarc, Phoenix and Houston it is... \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ \n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/\n _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/\n _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _ _ _____\n_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ - - /____/\n...............................................................................\nMarc Foster, r.s.h contact for the Oklahoma City Blazers, 1993 Central Hockey\nUniversity of Oklahoma Geography Department League Adams Cup\nInternet: mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu Champions\n mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu \n\nTo be placed on the CHL Mailing List, send email to either address above.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: kja@watson.ibm.com ( Kenneth J. Arbeitman)\nSubject: Missing subject header\nReply-To: kja@bones.fishkill.ibm.com ( Kenneth J. Arbeitman)\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: bones.fishkill.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM East Fishkill Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nLines: 39\n\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R.\nLandmann) writes:\n|> Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.\n|> \n|> For anyone who didn\'t see Sunday\'s game,\n|> \n|> With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed\n|> hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.\n \n That\'s because Lankford had a minor injury from a couple of games\nbefore that\n and was day-to-day... only available as a pinchrunner. \n\n|> \n|> Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts\n|> lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis\n|> Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell\n|> is he thinking.\n\n See above.\n|> \n|> Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented\n|> how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a\n|> regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said\n|> he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year,\n|> what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every\n|> team in the league.\n|> \n At the beginning of the interview Torre also said Lankford is the\none outfield\n guy who\'s "in there no matter what".\n My guess is Jordan will eventually end up being odd man out due to low\n on base percentage. Whiten was a great acquisition... decent offense\n and great defense in rightfield. But don\'t worry, Gilkey will be\nstarting \n as soon as Jordan or Whiten displays an extended period of low offensive\n output. \n\n',
"From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 24\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 \n\nIn article <1pslckINNmn0@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes...\n> \n>From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive\n>device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking\n>up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would\n>be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of\n>detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. \n> \nFrom my rather rusty knowledge of radio, most radio receivers use a superhet \ncircuit, so that the incoming signal is mixed with a local oscillator, giving \na fixed intermediate frequency (IF) that is more easily amplified. The\ndetector detectors work by picking up IF re-radiated from your radar \ndetector. In Britain, where one has/used to pay for a TV licence, there \nare/were TV detector vans prowling the streets, looking for people who hadn't \npaid their licence fee. They had a couple of long solenoid antennae on the\nroof, and I believe could triangulate an operating TV from the IF. \n\nI wonder how much of the IF is radiated back from the detector antenna, and \nhow much from the rest of the module. It might be worth putting the detector \nin a proper RF shielded enclosure.\n\n--\n Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada <advax@triumf.ca>\n finger advax@reg.triumf.ca for PGP key\n",
'From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)\nSubject: Re: Building a UV flashlight\nOrganization: RAND\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org\n\nIn article <C5r6Lz.n25@panix.com> jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:\n>One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV\n>light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone\n>know what he was referring to?\n\nI don\'t want to get into a semantic argument, but contrary to some other\npostings "near UV light" /is/ "actual UV light." The "near" means that\nit is close to the visible spectrum (i.e. of relatively long wavelength),\nnot that it is "nearly UV." (I\'m sure you can figure out now just what\n"far UV" is.)\n\nRegular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts of UV in the\nnear end of the spectrum, such that a filter can be used to remove the\nvisible light and thus create a weak UV source. Stronger sources are\ngoing to require gas (probably mercury vapor) discharge tubes (such as\nfluorescent tubes with UV phosphor). Be careful, though; strong UV\nsources can cause physiological damage, especially to the eyes. The\nshorter wavelengths are the most dangerous.\n\nIt wouldn\'t project a beam like a flashlight, but replacing the tubes\nin a portable fluorescent lantern with UV tubes would be a relatively\ncheap way to create a portable source. It would be bright enough to\nbe useful, but not dangerously so.\n\n\t\t-Ed Hall\n\t\tedhall@rand.org\n',
'From: jobin@server.uwindsor.ca (Scarecrow)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada\nLines: 37\n\nseningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)\n> 85 Mph speedos -- esp. the electronic ones.\n>\n> The digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in\n> the middle of the dash -- everything was digital except the stinking clock?\n\n The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo \nlimit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would \nread all the way up to 187kph. At this point the stock anemic 302 would get \nshort of breath. This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet \nI really coulda confused this thing if I\'d toyed with the engine and rolled\nthe stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199). \n\n I\'ve gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though. My\ngirlfriend had a \'85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio.\nGo figure...\n\n\nusenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator)\n> I love the keyless entry on my T-Bird; it\'s great for those times that\n> I had to stop to put air in my tires. I could get out and lock the door\n> with the engine running while I ran around to air up the tire. It also\n\n I had a great feature on my T-bird.... I could pull the key out and \nleave the ignition on. This scared the hell out of me the first time it\nhappened but I kinda grew to like it. Musta been a bad key copy or \nsomething.\n\nMark Novakovic\n-----\n"There is no god up in the sky tonight __ _\nno sign of heaven anywhere in sight" -nin /_/\\/\\ "Jesus loves ya. Blow me."\n _ _ __ _ _ \\_\\ / -- In tribute to my former\n / \\/ \\ /||\\ / \\|\\ / \\\\ / /_/ \\ area supervisor Jim Bonneau\n \\ / / || \\__/ | \\/ \\\\ / \\_\\/\\ \\ and the infamous Bonneau Math\n \\\\ /__||_/ \\ |_/\\ / \\ / / \\_\\/ (demoted not departed)\n \\_/ \\_// || \\__ \\_/| \\ \\_/ \\/ \\/ Ministry\n',
'From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green)\nSubject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!)\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 31\n\n>In article <VNci2B7w165w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca> victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes:\n>>From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking)\n>>Subject: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!)\n>>Date: Sun, 04 Apr 93 19:31:54 CDT\n>>Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan?\n>> \n>>All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at \n>>drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury\'s \n>>orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info.\n>>\n>>Does anyone know anything more specific?\n>>\n\nAs I heard the story, before Albert came up the the theory\no\'relativity and warped space, nobody could account for\nMercury\'s orbit. It ran a little fast (I think) for simple\nNewtonian physics. With the success in finding Neptune to\nexplain the odd movments of Uranus, it was postulated that there\nmight be another inner planet to explain Mercury\'s orbit. \n\nIt\'s unlikely anything bigger than an asteroid is closer to the\nsun than Mercury. I\'m sure we would have spotted it by now.\nPerhaps some professionals can confirm that.\n\n\n/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\\ \n| Heaven, n.: |\n| A place where the wicked cease from troubling you with talk | \n| of their own personal affairs, and the good listen with |\n| attention while you expound your own. |\n| Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil\'s Dictionary" |\n',
'From: george@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Non-word password generator\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 10\n\nDoes anyone know of a non-word password generator program\nfor PC\'s?? i.e. it will produce a nonsense word but still\nbe pronouncible. e.g. lisgollan\n\nWanted to "force" users to adopt more secure passwords,\nbut still be memorable!\n\nThanks - George Bolt\n\np.s. please email me as well if possible "george@psychmips.york.ac.uk"\n',
"From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley)\nSubject: Medical Images via Gopher?\nNntp-Posting-Host: suncad.camosun.bc.ca\nOrganization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 11\n\nA few days back someone posted info on a gopher site where you could\nsearch for medical graphics, etc. Could someone please repost or mail me\na copy? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!\n\nMark\n\n===================================================================\n Mark Morley, UNIX/SUN Manager NET: morley@camosun.bc.ca\n Camosun College - Interurban Campus TEL: (604) 370-4601\n 4461 Interurban Road Room 143-Tech FAX: (604) 370-3660\n Victoria, B.C. Canada V8X 3X1\n",
'From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)\nSubject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 3: Defensemen (21-45)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 85\n\n#21\tPETER AHOLA\t\tSeason: 2nd\nAcquired:\t\'92-93, trade with Pittsburgh for future considerations\nGrade:\t\tI (B)\n\nIt is way too early to tell about Ahola, who was acquired probably because the\nPenguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft. Ahola had\nonly played 50 games this season (I think it\'s actually less; the San Jose\nMercury News may be in err here), 20 of them with the Sharks. In the games he\nhas played, he appeared quite solid defensively, although he hasn\'t been\nspectacular, and his offense isn\'t anything to write home about (8 points);\nit\'s even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn\nout to be ... Peter Ahola.\n\n#24\tDOUG WILSON\t\tSeason: 16th\nAcquired:\t\'91-92, trade with Chicago for RW Kerry Toporowski and\n\t\t2nd round pick in \'92 entry draft\nGrade:\t\tI (B)\n\nI have often been accused of overly down on Wilson; I may have had too high\nexpectations for him, but his legs, knees, et al., are giving out.\nNevertheless, when he was playing, he exhibited a strong shooting and\nplaymaking abilities, even if he has lost a step on defense, which,\nunfortunately, he demonstrated this year as well, as at times he was slow to\ncatch the opponent forwards, and his offensive output was only good enough for\n2nd place on the team (20 points in 42 games). But next year, which may be\nWilson\'s last, if he can stay healthy, he can still be a contributor.\n\n#29\tDEAN KOLSTAD\t\tSeason:\t2nd\nAcquired:\t\'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (C-/D+)\n\nIt\'s probably somewhat unfair for me to judge Kolstad on just a handful of\ngames (forgetting exact number, but no more than 15), but at age 25 he\'s\nquickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the NHL. In those games,\nhe did not impress anyone; after generating 7 shots in the first period of\nthe first game he played, he scored just 2 points in his tenure up here with\nthe Sharks, and was even less impressive defensively, as he appeared awkward\nwith his movement and was prone to giveaways. He needs to make a leap in\nhis level of performance to have any chance of making the team.\n\n#38\tPAT MACLEOD\t\tSeason: 2nd\nAcquired:\t\'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (?)\n\nMacLeod was on the roster a lot longer than Kolstad, but it appears to my\nmemory that he played less than Kolstad, because the Sharks were reluctant to\nuse him, but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors, figuring that\nhe wouldn\'t clear waivers; in fact, he has played the past 4-5 weeks with\nKansas City, but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment,\na "rehab assignment" that will include him playing in the Turner Cup playoffs.\nSince he has played so little, I can\'t even give a tentative grade on him, but\nhe demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive\nskills.\n\n#41\tTOM PEDERSON\t\tSeason: 1st\nAcquired:\t\'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (B+)\n\nCalled up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated\nby injuries, Pederson impressed many Sharks fan here on net, including yours\ntruly. He demonstrated very good offensive skills, scoring 20 points in\n43 games. However, his size (5\' 9", 165 lbs.) is of concern, and soon after\nhe began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically,\non both sides of the ice, although he had appeared fearless in his approach.\nBut to be successful, he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance\non surviving against some of the bigger players in the league.\n\n#45\tCLAUDIO SCREMIN\t\tSeason: 1st\nAcquired:\t\'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (D+/D)\n\nHe played all of ~5 games in the league this year, but was thoroughly\numimpressive, just as he was at the end of last season; again, it may be a\nsmall sample, but just as in the case of Kolstad, Scremin, at age 25, is\nquickly running out of time. He was not a contributor on either offense or\ndefense in the games he played with the Sharks. The only notable thing that\nwill go down in Scremin\'s entry of league stats is probably the fact that he\nwas once traded for now Capitals goaltender Don Beaupre.\n\n===============================================================================\nGO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe!\nGO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton!\n===============================================================================\nNelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)\nrec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks\n',
"From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick)\nSubject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?!\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 13\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <C5uC68.19K@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n>\n>This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than\n>UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one\n>of them shorts.\n\nNot necessarily true; a short in one, if near the maximum series\nvoltage drop, will overvoltage the other one and short it too, more\n-- \n<BGB>\nlihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't\n(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that\nfrom the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.\n",
"From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)\nSubject: Re: Need a good concave -> convex polygon algorithm\nOrganization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <C5Juyz.ALy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Richard Stoakley) writes:\n>\tWe need a good concave ->convex polygon conversion routine.\n>I've tried a couple without much luck. Please E-mail responses and I\n>will post a summary of any replies. Thank you.\n>\n>Richard Stoakley\n>rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU\n\nThe problem is not precisely defined above, but if you need to find\nthe smallest convex polygon that encloses a given polygon, then\nyou are seeking the convex hull of your original polygon. There\nare two ways to do this: use a somewhat tricky but by-now well\nexamined linear-time algorithm that exploits the polygon boundary,\nor just feed the vertices of the original polygon to a convex hull\nroutine and accept O(n log n). Both methods are discussed in\nPreparata and Shamos, for example.\n",
"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions?\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nDistribution: na\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5qLr8.DJL@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The \nIdealistic Cynic) writes:\n> \n> Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution\n> quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it,\n> but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a\n> couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution\n> changed. I already have both video drivers that I need on my system,\n> so that isn't a problem.\n> \n> Thanks,\n> \n> Sean.\n> \n> ---\n> Sean L. Gilley\n> sean.l.gilley@att.com <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE!\n> 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)\n> \nThere is a shareware program called v-switch.zip. I don't remember if it \nis on wuarchive.wustl.edu or on ftp.cica.indiana.edu. \n\nIt is easy to use and does the job with no problem.\n\n-Eric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n",
'From: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY)\nSubject: VL-bus HDD/FDD controller or IDE HDD/FDD controller?\nOrganization: HP Singapore Notes-Server\nLines: 20\n\nHi,\n\tI am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a\n\tHDD/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD/FDD controller faster \n\tthan 16 bit IDE HDD/FDD controller card? I hear that\n\tthe VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller?\n\tWhich one is true?\n\n\tPlease shed some light by email or post.\n\tThanks a lot.\n\nBest regards,\n \n ____________________________________________________________________________\n| Beng-Hang Tay | Telnet: 520 8732 |\n| Singapore Networks Operation | Phone: (65) 279 8732 |\n| Hewlett-Packard Singapore Pte. Ltd. | Fax: (65) 272 2780 |\n| 1150 Depot Road | Internet: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com |\n| Singapore 0410 | |\n| Republic of Singapore\t\t | |\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: ken@austin.ibm.com\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nOriginator: ken@daedalus.austin.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 50\n\n\nIn article <C5qoFw.3AA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:\n> In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes:\n> \n> >Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a \n> >multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven\'t\n> >seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person,\n> >and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don\'t see an \n> >implentation of simultaneuos use though.\n> \n> Since running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a\n> fair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense\n> of sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so\n> one could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have\n> to be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how\n> things are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are\n> taking over from the old cpu-terminal setups. \n> \n> Note that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and\n> run character-based apps but you can\'t run the GUI. (Yeah, I know\n> about X-Windows, just haven\'t been too impressed by it...)..\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> -- \n> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala\n> Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach\n> Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !\n\n\n\nI read this in an electronic "magazine" about NT:\n\n"And for all the hoopla about NT, one would\nthink the thing would be multi-user but it\'s not. It supports\nonly one user at a time. It can support multiple clients but\nonly one actual user."\n\n\nYour mileage may vary!\n\n-- \n THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS.\n------------------------------------------------------------------\n"I\'m afraid I\'ll have to ask you to leave the store, mam" Ash, AoD\n==================================================================\n',
"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: Davidians and compassion\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5sLAs.B68@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu\n(Ken Arromdee) wrote:\n> \n> In article <sandvik-190493200420@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n> >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire\n> >on their house, killing most of the people inside.\n> \n> We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been\n> the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and\n> people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly\n> disinterested observers.\n\nWell, looking at the videos it seems that this fire started in various\nplaces at the same time, which would indicate that this was a planned\naction. I'm sure FBI and BATF didn't *deliberately* start a possible\nfire, having a sniper kill Korresh would have been a far easier \nmethod. Looking at the careful operation, and use of tear gas\nthat as I know don't start fires, it is less likely that this \nwas the case.\n\nSorry, but my bets are on fanatical people keen to start\nArmageddon -- theirs.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n",
"From: elw@mayo.edu\nSubject: Re: [lds] Gordon's question on the Nicene Creed\nReply-To: elw@jaguar.sky2\nOrganization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus\nLines: 11\n\n\nThe Nicene Creed\n\nWE BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.\nAnd in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day rose again according to the Scriptur\n\n\n\n\n\nes, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.\n\nAnd we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.\n\n\n",
'From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)\nSubject: Re: How much should I pay for a SCSI cable (with 3 or 4 connectors)?\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA\nLines: 21\n\nIn <T83y2B1w164w@hub.parallan.com> danj@hub.parallan.com (Dan Jones) writes:\n| > >Also, I seem to remember a posting saying that the SCSI spec calls for\n| > >1 foot between devices on the cable, but most cables you get (internal)\n| > >don\'t meet the spec.\n| \n| SCSI II Draft Proposal, Rev. 10h, Section 4.2.1: Single-Ended \n| cable, which is in the Cable Requirements Section, has an \n| implementor\'s note: " Stub clustering should be avoided. Stubs \n| should be spaced at least 0.3 meters apart."\n| \n| For the non-technical, stubs are SCSI devices. :-)\n\nHowever, also be aware that Implementor\'s notes are basicly\nrecommendations, they are *NOT* part of the spec. As others have\nnoted, many vendors (including SGI) violate this. Indeed, the main\npoint is to reduce impedance changes, and therefore reflections, and\ntherefore \'noise\' on the bus.\n--\nLet no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson\nbecause whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc.\n Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com\n',
"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll)\nSubject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How?\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 58\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nstolk@fwi.uva.nl writes:\n\n>> \n>> A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is different\n>> from the visual of the parent (which uses the default visual which is TC24).\n>> \n\nYou've got to set border_pixel in your window attributes. The default\nis CopyFromParent which gives the BadMatch. Do this:\n\n ...\n unsigned long valuemask;\n ...\n /*\n * if border_width is non-zero you'd better alloc a colour from cmap\n * rather than use any old pixel value. Also, use valuemask, it makes\n * the code more obvious.\n */\n attr.colormap = cmap;\n attr.border_pixel = 0;\n valuemask = CWColormap | CWBorderPixel;\n win = XCreateWindow(\n dpy,\n DefaultRootWindow(dpy),\n 10,10,\n width,height,\n 0,\t\t /* border width. see comment below */\n 8, /* depth */\n InputOutput, /* class */\n vinfo.visual, /* visual */\n valuemask,\n &attr\n );\n\nA note on border_width: your code looked like this:\n\n>> win = XCreateWindow(\n>> dpy,\n>> DefaultRootWindow(dpy),\n>> 10,10,\n>> width,height,\n>> CopyFromParent, /* border width */\n>> 8, /* depth */\n>> InputOutput, /* class */\n>> vinfo.visual, /* visual */\n>> CWColormap,\n>> &attr\n>> );\n\nborder_width set to CopyFromParent works but doesn't make sense.\nborder_width should be an unsigned int. You get away with it because\nCopyFromParent is #define'ed to be zero in X.h. If it happened to be\ndefined as -1 you'd get a very interesting looking window!\n\n \tGerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk)\n \tDu Pont Pixel Systems Ltd.\n \n",
'From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com\nOrganization: Cray Research Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nBrad Gibson (gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca) wrote:\n\n[Much text deleted]\n\n: plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available.\n\nNot necessarily the most misleading, but you are right, it definitely\nneeds to be taken in the proper perspective. A shining example is\nif you look at the Penguins individual +/-, you will find very few minuses.\nThat only makes common sense, since they didn\'t lose many games.\n\n: Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice\n: time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out\n: in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up\n: against the other team\'s top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would\n: much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious\n: merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications.\n\nUnfortunately, you will need to keep a ridiculous number of stats to\nreally come up with a statistic which really shows a player\'s value.\nLet\'s just enjoy the game and not overanalyze it. (like I\'m doing now,\nexcuse me!)\n\n--\n_____________________________________________________________________________\nTom Huot \t\t\t \nhuot@cray.com \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n',
"From: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo)\nSubject: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!!\nOrganization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\nSalutations!\n\tI don't usually subscribe to these newsgroups so I would really\nappreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me the answer to my problem.\nI have been using Windows 3.1 since buying it last winter but I have just\nnow come across an annoying bug. I now have about 8 different groups in\nprogram manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that\nmakes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows!\nThis happened when I installed Excel and WinFax Pro v.3. They both created\ntheir own groups but when I turned off windows and reran them, they were\ngone. I had to manually pull them up as new items and put them in a\npreviously existing group as all new gropus disappear as soon as I turn\noff windows.\n\tmy set up:\n\t\t\tprecision 386dx-25 w/ 4 megs\n\t\t\tTrident 8900c with 1 meg \n\t\t\tWindows 3.1 running in 800x600 colour mode\n\t\t\tlogitech mouseman\n\t\t\t\nThank you in advance!\n\nEmile Woo\newoo@unixg.ubc.ca\n\n\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nEmile Woo, Student Representative to Senate | .sig unavailable. Holding \nInternet: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca | referendum to decide politic- \nTel: 822-6101 | ally correct witticism. \n",
'From: gtewing@unix2.tcd.ie (Gregory T. Ewing)\nSubject: Gamecards\nSummary: Gamecards\nKeywords: Gamecards\nNntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie\nOrganization: Trinity College, Dublin\nLines: 15\n\nI own an 80386sx, 16Mhz, 2Mb ram machine and am finding it too slow for\ncertain games such as X-wing. I was in a Computer store there the other\nday and saw a series of Gamecards which claim to speed up your machine\nto up to 80Mhz! I was wondering if anyone out there who has a similar\nmachine had bought one or seen one of these Gamecards and whether or not\nthey do actually work!\n\tAny help here would be much appreciated,\n\t\tThanks in advance,\n\t\t\tGreg.\n\n--\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| \tWhen a man lies he murders some part of the world..................|\n| \t\t\t\tor does he....?.......EGGMAN...............|\n',
'From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Yeah, Right\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 54\n\nIn article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu>\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n \n>>And what about that revelation thing, Charley?\n>\n>If you\'re talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well,\n>it\'s obviously a risk one takes.\n>\n \nI see, it is not rational, but it is intellectual. Does madness qualify\nas intellectual engagement, too?\n \n \n>>Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge\n>>is contradictive.\n>\n>I\'m not an objectivist, so I\'m not particularly impressed with problems of\n>conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of\n>trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary\n>experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from\n>the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the\n>perspective of what\'s being described, rather inexact (to be charitable).\n>\n \nExactly why science uses mathematics. QM representation in natural language\nis not supposed to replace the elaborate representation in mathematical\nterminology. Nor is it supposed to be the truth, as opposed to the\nrepresentation of gods or religions in ordinary language. Admittedly,\nnot every religion says so, but a fancy side effect of their inept\nrepresentations are the eternal hassles between religions.\n \nAnd QM allows for making experiments that will lead to results that will\nbe agreed upon as being similar. Show me something similar in religion.\n \n \n>An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is\n>that the "better" descriptive language is not available.\n>\n \nWith the effect that the models presented are useless. And one can argue\nthat the other way around, namely that the only reason metaphysics still\nflourish is because it makes no statements that can be verified or falsified -\nshowing that it is bogus.\n \n \n>>And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish\n>>that?\n>\n>This word "reliable" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you\n>can show how reliability can be determined.\n \nHaven\'t you read the many posts about what reliability is and how it can\nbe acheived respectively determined?\n Benedikt\n',
"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton\nOrganization: DSI/USCRPAC\nLines: 14\n\n\nHere's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable\none: Make it voluntary.\n\nThat is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree\nto escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own.\n\nDavid\n\n-- \nDavid Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n our information, errors and omissions excepted. \n\n\n",
"From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari)\nSubject: **] A/D board quiry:\nOrganization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada\nLines: 21\n\n \n On an A/D board I've got, I'm using the A/D lines. It measures \nthe voltages properly, ie: with a 7v power supply it reg's 7v and with \n5v, it reg's 5v. Problem is when I've got the input voltage, and I wish \nto lower it via a resistor. The sensitivity of the board is so great \nthat I can triger it with holding the 5/7v wire in one hand, and touch \nthe probe and it will register the full input voltage. A 1m resistor \nonly lowers voltage by .1v so this is not too feesable. \n \n What could the problems be and what else could I use\nto lower the input voltage? (btw I've got it grounded correctly)\n \n \n _________________________________________________\n Inspiration | ___ |\n comes to | \\ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |\n those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |\n seek the | /-\\ =] Baden de Bari [= |\n unknown. | |\n ------------------------------------------------- \n \n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: The museum of \'BARBARISM\'.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 215\n\nIn article <C5I7Ap.ELD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes:\n\n>What about Cyprus?? The majority of the population is christian, but \n>your fellow Turkish friends DID and STILL DOING a \'good\' job for you \n>by cleaning the area from christians.\n\nAll your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. The people of \nTurkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never \nabandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally \nhopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the\nparties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole \nperpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July \n15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop \nMakarios.\n\nFollowing the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with \nthe aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right \ngiven by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently \nand conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For \nthose Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island \nsince 1571. \n\nThe release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization\nof Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the\n\'enosis\' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not\nforget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks\nin Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to\ndestroy the island\'s independence by annexing it to Greece. Of\ncourse, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences \nfor this irresponsible conduct.\n\n\n THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM\n\n2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus\n\nIt is the house of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major who was serving at\nthe Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent. During the attacks launched\nagainst the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat\nIlhan\'s wife and three children were ruthlessly and brutally\nkilled in the bathroom, where they had tried to hide, by savage\nGreeks. Dr. Nihat Ilhan happened to be on duty that night, the\n24th December 1963. Pictures reflecting Greek atrocities\ncommitted during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which\nhas been converted into a museum.\n\nAN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED BY\nGREEK TERRORISTS\n\nThe date is the 24th of December, 1963... The onslaught of the\nGreeks against the Turks, which started three days ago, has been\ngoing on with all its ferocity; and defenseless women, old men\nand children are being brutally killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal\nArea of Nicosia witnesses the worst example of the Greeks savage\nbloodshed...\n\nThe wife and the three infant children of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a\nmajor on duty at the camp of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent,\nare mercilessly and dastardly shot dead while hiding in the\nbathroom of their house, by maddened Greeks who broke into their\nhome. A glaring example of Greek barbarism.\n\nLet us now listen to the relating of the said incident told by\nMr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded\nduring the same terrible event.\n\n"On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan\nand I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan.\nOur neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter Ishin and Mrs.\nAyshe\'s sister Novber were also with us. We were all sitting\nhaving supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River\ndirection started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain.\nThinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was\ndangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought\nwould be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in\nthe bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We\nwaited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing\nin the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her\narms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open.\nGreeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house\nwith their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard\nvoices saying, in Greek, "You want Taksim eh!" and then bullets\nstarted flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children\nfell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks,\nwho broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I\nheard one of the Major\'s children moan, then I fainted.\n\nWhen I came to myself 2 or 3 hours later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and\nher three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the\nneighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what\nhad happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to\nthe toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was\nbrutally murdered.\n\nIn the street admist the sound of shots I heard voices crying\n"Help, help. Is there no one to save us?" I became terrified. I\nthought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not\ndead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself\nunder the double-bed.\n\nAn our passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My\nmouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some\nwater. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the\nbathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I\noffered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe, her daughter and Mrs. Novber who\nwere all wounded.\n\nWe waited in the bathroom until 5 o\'clock in the morning. I\nthought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed\nto be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber\nand I, went out into the street hoping to find help, and walked\nas far as Koshklu Chiftlik.\n\nThere, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were\noperated on. When I regained my consciousness I said that there\nwere more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs.\nAyshe and her daughter.\n\nAfter staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to\nAnkara for further treatment. There I have had four months\ntreatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus,\nGreeks arrested me at the Airport.\n\nAll I have related to you above I told the Greeks during my\ndetention. They then released me."\n\nON FOOT INTO CYPRUS\'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER\n\nWe went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in\nwhich 200 to 300 people have been slaughtered in the last five\ndays.\n\nWe were the first Western reporters there, and we saw some\nterrible sights.\n\nIn the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way\ninto a house whose floors were covered with broken glass. A\nchild\'s bicycle lay in a corner.\n\nIn the bathroom, looking like a group of waxworks, were three\nchildren piled on top of their murdered mother.\n\nIn a room next to it we glimpsed the body of a woman shot in the\nhead.\n\nThis, we were told, was the home of a Turkish Army major whose\nfamily had been killed by the mob in the first violence.\n\nToday was five days later, and still they lay there.\n\nRene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the "DAILY EXPRESS")\n\n"...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant\nchildren murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."\n\nMax CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964\n\n\n Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. \n Date : 1 January, 1964. \n\n IL GIARNO (Italy)\n \n THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.\n\n Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we\n are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people\n abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This \n time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to \n cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.\n\n Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno\n Date: 14 January 1964\n\n DAILY HERALD (London)\n\n AN APPALLING SIGHT\n\nAnd when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.\nApart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb\nattack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick\nand concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately\nfired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted\nmass of bed springs, children\'s conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey\nashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.\n\nIn the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 \nwrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From\nthis village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village\ndid I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.\n\n\n DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)\n \n GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE\n\n Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the\n Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found\n crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were\n brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three \n more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could\n not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to \n locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey)\nSubject: Re: How large are commercial keys?\nNntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>\nbutzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes:\n \n>Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't\n>sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it\n>would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys\n>space.)\n \n It depends on the attack. Adding a bit to the key doubles the amount of\nwork to be done in a straight brute-force attack, where you try every single\npossible key until one works. Processing and storage requirements for this\nkind of attack on a 128-bit key seem like they ought to make it effectively\nimpossible. However, there may be other attacks whose difficulty is (for\nexample) proportional to, say, 2**sqrt(n), or some such. Also, a long\nkey does you little good if there is a way to incrementally guess a little\nof the key at a time....\n \n>Thanks,\n>Dane\n --John\n",
'From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)\nSubject: Re: Happy Easter!\nNntp-Posting-Host: corolla18\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:\n|\n|Hey! I wasn\'t picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That\'s all\n|I said. There\'s nothing wrong with using old technology. People still\n|use shovels to dig holes \n\nWell, you really can\'t dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some\nperformance mods like stroking and cams. Besides, it\'s REAL bad on the\nrear tire.\n\nDave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I\'m getting tired of\n90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.\n84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."\nAMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon\n',
"From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)\nSubject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner\nArticle-I.D.: world.C51Hn0.2JI\nOrganization: IntraNet, Inc.\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:\n>\n>Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at\n>the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range.\n>How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget\n>allows, the Land Cruiser? \n\nAny advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they\nget two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list.\nForget about a test drive or even kicking the tires.\nAnd if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on\nhand.\n\n\n\n-- \nJonathan Edwards\t\t\t\tedwards@intranet.com\nIntraNet, Inc\t\t\t\t\t617-527-7020\n",
'From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 31\n\t<1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com>\n\t<wfohu=K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <wfohu=K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu>\n\n>Michael Collingridge writes:\n> \n>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, \n>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other \n>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.\n> \n>Wasn\'t Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to\n>Pittsburgh?\n>\n>Mom.\n\nRick Tocchet was captain of the Flyers for several years before he was\ntraded to the Pens...\n\n -John Santore\n\n\n=============================================================================\n ____________________ \n/ \\ "We break the surface tension \n\\_________ ____ \\ with our wild kinetic dreams"\n/ / \\ \\ -Rush, Grand Designs\n\\_______ / (*) ) )\n/ / /\\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers!\n\\_____ / / /\n/ / \\_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu)\n\\________/ \n \nRush-Yes-King Crimson-Emerson, Lake and Palmer-Marillion-Genesis (w/ Gabriel)\n=============================================================================\n\n',
'From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: Lavishly Funded "Gun Epidemic" Propaganda Campaign to Commence\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <C4txEK.FCq@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote:\n>\n>: Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full\n>: force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their\n>: polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their\n>: "entertainment" media\n>\n>The entertainment media... a "force of the anti-gun ruling class"??\n>Is this the same media that\'s made billions producing films and\n>television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another\n>anti-gun media?\n>\n>You\'ve got to be kidding.\n\nI\'m afraid he isn\'t. They are a hypocritical lot. \n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n',
"From: iisakkil@lk-hp-22.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)\nSubject: Re: DX3/99\nIn-Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us's message of 5 Apr 93 23:53:00 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-22.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 16\n\nrobert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) writes:\n>I heard the rumor as well, but the story differed. Intel was not coming \n>out with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was.\n\nNo rumour, IBM's clock tripling chip was seen in some trade show last\nfall (COMDEX or something, I wasn't there). All you people who are\ndrooling after this chip do realize that it has no FPU, just like\n486SX, that Evil Marketing Ploy(tm) from Intel, don't you? It has 16K\nof internal cache, which probably is where the saved silicon real\nestate went. Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its\n486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become\navailable in any non-IBM machines. Of course, nothing prevents other\ncompanies from implementing a DX3/99, but nobody hasn't even come out\nwith a real 486DX (FPU and all) clone yet (although AMD soon will).\n--\nSegmented Memory Helps Structure Software\n",
'From: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)\nSubject: Case, MFM Contr., Game card, Sound Card\nOriginator: klwright@c00391-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu\nReply-To: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 29\n\n\nForsale\n\n1 Desktop Case, 200 Watt power supply 2 internal 5 1/4" bays and \n 2 external 5 1/4" origanaly Dell System 200 case. looks real good\n all hardware included.\n I would like $80 + shipping or best offer.\n\n1 Western Digital MFM controler, 16 bit 2 floppy 2 hard, never had a\n problem with it. \n I would like $30 + shipping or best offer.\n\n1 Game card, works well nothing fancy just a joystick port. \n I would like $10 + shipping or best offer.\n\n1 INNOVATION Game / Sound Card, Has one game port and an adlib port.\n I never used it. ( I got a soundblaster cheep before I installed it)\n I would like $5 + shipping\n\n All offers considered, Buyer pays shipping.\n\n\nplease resopnd to \nklwright@eos.ncsu.edu\nor\n(919) 834-3290 \n\nthanks\nken\n',
'From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)\nSubject: VIPER\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 8\n\n\nLast night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.\nI took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,\nand had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.\nWierd dream, I wonder what it means....\n\nRoy.\n\n',
"From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt)\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nKeywords: Tigers\nNntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> Ryan Kearns <RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:\n>I think that the Detroit Tigers are the greatest baseball organization of all\n>time.\n...\n[shameless woofing deleted]\n\nOn behalf of the rest of us Tiger fans out here, I appoligize for this \nshameless woofing. We try to keep it to a minimum, but we did WIN A GAME\nthe other day, so sometimes it's hard to control. see: Phillies Fans\n\n:-)\nMichael\n\n\n\n",
'From: rogerskm@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Karen Rogers)\nSubject: Remapping <return> key in a dialog\nOrganization: DuPont Central Research & Development\nLines: 58\n\nI am new to X programming, so please bear with me....\n\nI am trying to have a dialog box that returns it\'s value upon the\nuser entering a new value and hitting the <return> key. (don\'t want\nto have a "done" button). The piece of code below will work if\nI exclude the XtNvalue argument but will not work as is. Can someone\nshed some light on this or suggest a better way? Ultimately I will\nhave several areas active at the same time to allow a user to modify\nparameters in the program. \n\n\nThanks for your help,\n\nKaren Rogers\nDupont\nrogerskm@pluto.es.dupont.com\n\n######### Code starts here ################\nvoid doit()\n{\nprintf("Entered the doit function\\n");\nexit();\n}\n\nmain(argc, argv)\nint argc;\nchar **argv;\n{\nWidget toplevel;\nWidget outer;\nXtAppContext app_con;\nWidget samples;\nArg args[3];\nstatic XtActionsRec key_actions[]= \n {\n {"doit", doit},\n };\n\ntoplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_con, "TEST", NULL, 0,\n\t &argc, argv, NULL, NULL);\n\nouter = XtCreateManagedWidget( "paned", panedWidgetClass, toplevel,\n\t\t\t\t\tNULL, ZERO);\n\nXtAppAddActions(app_con, key_actions, XtNumber(key_actions));\n\nXtSetArg(args[0], XtNlabel, "Enter value");\nXtSetArg(args[1], XtNvalue, "0");\n\nsamples = XtCreateManagedWidget("samples", dialogWidgetClass,outer,args,2);\n\nXtOverrideTranslations(samples, \n\t XtParseTranslationTable("<Key>Return: doit()"));\n \nXtRealizeWidget(toplevel);\nXtAppMainLoop(app_con);\n}\n\n',
"From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo)\nSubject: Re: Integra GSR\nNntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes:\n>Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right\n>along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that\n>are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than\n>a Beretta.\n\n\tMy GS came with XGT V4s and they are NOT all weather tires. I took\nout my right front bumper sliding on packed snow (not ice), before I learned\nthis fact. I immediately bought XGT H4s which are definately all-weather.\nA Carrera 4 I walk by everyday has XGT V4s on it even. The Michelin dealer\nwhere I bought my new tires said the V4s were made out of a different \nrubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing. \nSaid he'd only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in\nTexas and not Colorado.\n\nThanks,\nEric\n\n\n\n-- \n -- O An inactive lifestyle Eric J. Lorenzo\n --- </\\_ violates our genetic warranty lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU\n --- -\\/\\ Not to excercise is not also @spot & @ucsu\n --- /_ to be fully human. -Keith Johnsgard\n",
"From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell)\nSubject: Re: 24 bit Graphics cards\nIn-Reply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:59:34 GMT\nOrganization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany\nLines: 20\n\n>I am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least \n>1024x786x24 resolution. I know Matrox has one, but it is very\n>expensive. All the other cards I know of, that support that\n>resoultion, are striaght ISA. \n\nWhat about the ELSA WINNER4000 (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, EISA), or the\nMetheus Premier-4VL (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, ISA/VL) ?\n\n>Also are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits?\n\nAs it just happens, SGCS has a Xserver (X386 1.4) that does\n1024x768x24 on those cards. Please email to info@sgcs.com for more\ndetails.\n\n- Thomas\n--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDas Reh springt hoch, \t\t\t\te-mail: roell@sgcs.com\ndas Reh springt weit,\t\t\t\t#include <sys/pizza.h>\nwas soll es tun, es hat ja Zeit ...\n",
"Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nFrom: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter)\nOrganization: Institut fuer Informatik\nNntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1qevrf$4t@hpscit.sc.hp.com> writes:\n> \n> As is typical nowadaze, you will probably have to do somebody else's job\n> for them. Although this shouldn't be needed, you might take a few minutes\n> to wander around the neighborhood with an HT sniffing for cable leakage\n> on your freq. after shutting down your system for a while. \n> \n> If you are fortunate enough to the find the hole, call the cable company and\n> get the highest link in the chain of command you can. Explain the problem,\n> whose job it really is to maintain THEIR equipment, and how much of a nice\n> guy you are to have tracked down THEIR problem for them.\n> \n> You may have been lucky and made a new contact that could be helpful in the\n> future.\n> \n> You should always try the 'honey' approach before bringing out the\n> Jack Nicholson impressions..... >:-)\n> \n> This has worked for me in the past with the power company when tring to \n> find loose/noisy high voltage lines/hardware. Only once did I have to\n> tell them I was narrowing the problem down to a specific pole by bumping\n> a whole line of poles with my car. Got 'em out there THAT NIGHT. And, they\n> didn't have to meet Jack!\n> \n> As a disclaimer, THEIR method for finding loose hardware was usually\n> whacking the poles with a huge sledgehammer after their high tech arc-\n> finding 'scope couldn't find the problem.\n> \n> \n> \n> Bill\n> wb6 rotten zucchini garden\n\nHere in switzerland, the situation is exactly the same. The cable tv companies \neven tried to stop amateur radio in switzerland in the beginning of cable \ntv(they seem to be too stupid to know anything about international frequency \nconferences or so). Even today, they use the cheapest possible coax running \ninto problems they can't solve anymore. As Bill noted, the only way is to look \nfor a solution with the neighbours *BEFORE* calling for the cable tv guys or \nthe fcc. The chance to find neighbours with some sense for reason is by far \nbigger than with these people (especially the first ones). As anywhere in an \nadministration people don't like, if You tell them to work for the money they \nget...\nThe problem is, that radio amateurs don't have the power to put trough their \nrights in all cases. So let's hope they start soon with optical fibers and get \nout of our freqencies.\n\n\nCheers Robert (HB9NBY)\n--\nRobert Ganter\t\t\t/------------\\\nUniversitaet Basel\t\t| I am a fan |\nInstitut fuer Informatik\t| of my plan |\nBasel/Switzerland\t\t\\------------/\nganter@ifi.unibas.ch\namateurradio: HB9NBY\tpacket: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU\n",
'From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Is key escrow enough?\nLines: 24\n\n\t The points raised about checking what is actually -in- the chip, as\n\topposed to what is allegedly programmed therein, raise yet another trust\n\tissue. Even if we assume that these "trusted agents" are really entering\n\ta wide range of S1 and S2 seeds (rather than using the same one all the\n\ttime to reduce the key search space to 30 bits), I assume they are not\n\tdoing so by picking up an iron filing and poking it into the circuitry\n\tat carefully selected points to encode data. They would presumably be\n\tpunching numbers into a computer, which for all they know could program\n\tthe chips in a manner completely independent of the S1 and S2 values they\n\tare feeding into the system.\n\nS1 and S2 are clearly the backdoor - we should assume they are all\ncompromised. If they\'re not compromisable, why the hell not use a\nhardware true random number source. There isn\'t a random number\nsource *anywhere* in this proposal. The whole thing is deterministic\nfrom the day the serial number is stamped on the chip.\n\nNope, it can\'t be trusted. This is all about two levels of access -\nthe (possibly honest) key escrow that police forces have to use, and\nostensibly the FBI; and the back door that lets the NSA decode *everything*\non the fly - and maybe some back-handers to the FBI when they want a\nwarrantless tab in exchange for favours.\n\nG\n',
'From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 48\n\nResponding to the moderator:\n\n>In article <Apr.14.03.09.07.1993.5494@athos.rutgers.edu> alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) writes:\n>>\n>>Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal \n>>sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these \n>>matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them \n>>but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this\n>>that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus \n>>anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing\n>>the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the\n>>honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.\n>\n>[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own\n>ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some\n>areas of practice. But I\'d like to see more clarification about what\n>you mean when you reject the idea of saying "their specific beliefs\n>are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on\n>others." If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that\n>the belief is something about God, history, etc....\n\nYes, I agree. What I\'m trying to point out is that, in matters of faith\n(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced\nof the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal\nrevelation. And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those\nbeliefs with others. And I don\'t think that its arrogant, persay, to\naccepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself. Where I think the\nconflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs\narise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God \nmust reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would \nhonestly agree. I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone \nwho disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are \nrejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient \nfor them, or because they wish to spurn God.\n\nI would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one \nholds are universal and absolute. And the problem I see with this is \nthat it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with\nGod. This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas\nof doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or \nrevealed that truth. \n\n-- \ncomments, criticism welcome...\n-Ken\nalvin@ucsu.colorado.edu\n\n[I agree with you. --clh]\n',
'From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.051701.3419@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:\n>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>: >> \n>: >I\'m not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if \n>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your\n>: >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there\n>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.\n>: \n>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be\n>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car?\n\nYo! Watch the attributions--I didn\'t say that!\n\nAgain, this isn\'t an appropriate forum for discussions on whether you\nshould shoot someone for property damage/vandalism/theft, but every\nresponsible gun owner realizes that there are limits, and the punishment\nmust fit the crime. I mean, think about it--is a (really) harmless\nprank worth killing over?\n\nAs I said, the situation described (punks setting off alarms and\ntaunting people to come out) could turn very ugly very quickly, and\nit is worth being prepared when your life is potentially on the line.\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu \nDISCLAIMER: I\'m not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...\'89 T-Bird SC\n "It\'s a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he\'s ever gonna have." \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"\n',
"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)\nSubject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)\nOrganization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century\nLines: 20\n\ncotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:\n\n>Once again, where's your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch\n>Davidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to\n>commit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not\n>suicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire\n>was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities\n>knocked over a lantern.\n\nIn two places at once? Bit of a coincidence, that.\n\nWhatever the faults the FBI had, the fact is that responsibility\nfor those deaths lies with Koresh.\n\nP.\n-- \n moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke\nclive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception\njames trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM\n brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza \n",
'From: dpeterik@iastate.edu (Dan Peterik)\nSubject: Re: Brewer Notes\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 26\n\nIn <30MAR93.02086551.0010@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> PFAN <PFAN@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> writes:\n\n>For those of you who know who Bernie Brewer is, he\'s back. The\n>team mascot, if you will, was given his walking papers a few years\n>ago, but the fans voted him back last season and he will be perched\n>in the his familiar home in the outfield and will again slide down\n>into a barrel of beer when home runs are hit.\n\nThat is great to hear I just may have to take a raod trip to Milwakee this year and see that again. Last time I saw Bernie Brewer was at the age of 10 and I am now 21 thanks for this post.\n\n>One final note, Bill Spiers is leading the Brewers with 13 RBI\'s in\n>exhibition play. Looks like he\'s bouncing back nicely from back\n>problems.\n\nGood to Bill is getting better form the limited coverage we get here in Iowa\nI know that this will be a great season for the BREW CREW!!\n\n\n>/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\\n>| Pete Fanning, Computer Operator | "Leadership is ACTION |\n>| Office of Information Technology | ...NOT Position" |\n>| Milwaukee Area Technical College | -- D. H. McGannon |\n>|**********************************************************|\n>| Email: pfan@music.lib.matc.edu (Internet) |\n>| -or- Pete.Fanning@f71.n154.z1.fidonet.org |\n>\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\n',
'From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis)\nSubject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 2/3]\nLines: 1023\nReply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis)\nOrganization: National Technical Univ. of Athens\n\nArchive-name: graphics/resources-list/part2\nLast-modified: 1993/04/17\n\n\nComputer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 2/3 ]\n===================================================\nLast Change : 17 April 1993\n\n\n14. Plotting packages\n=====================\n\nGnuplot 3.2\n-----------\n It is one of the best 2- and 3-D plotting packages, with\n online help.It\'s a command-line driven interactive function plotting utility\n for UNIX, MSDOS, Amiga, Archimedes, and VMS platforms (at least!).\n Freely distributed, it supports many terminals, plotters, and printers\n and is easily extensible to include new devices.\n It was posted to comp.sources.misc in version 3.0, plus 2 patches.\n You can practically find it everywhere (use Archie to find a site near you!).\n The comp.graphics.gnuplot newsgroup is devoted to discussion of Gnuplot.\n\nXvgr and Xmgr (ACE/gr)\n-----------------------\n Xmgr is an XY-plotting tool for UNIX workstations using\n X or OpenWindows. There is an XView version called xvgr for\n Suns. Collectively, these 2 tools are known as ACE/gr.\n Compiling xmgr requires the Motif toolkit version 1.1\n and X11R4 - xmgr will not compile under X11R3/Motif 1.0x.\n\n Check at ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34} in\n /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z (Motif version)\n /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z (XView version)\n\n Comments, suggestions, bug reports to Paul J Turner\n <pturner@amb4.ese.ogi.edu> (if mail fails, try pturner@ese.ogi.edu).\n Due to time constraints, replies will be few and far between.\n\nRobot\n-----\n Release 0.45 : 2-D and limited 3-D. Based on XView 3, written\n in C / Fortran (so you need a Fortran compiler or the f2c translator).\n Mainly tested on Sun4, less on DECstations. Check at\n ftp.astro.psu.edu (128.118.147.28), pub/astrod.\n\nVG plotting library\n-------------------\n This is a library of Fortran callable routines at sunspot.ceee.nist.gov\n [129.6.64.151]\n\nXgobi\n-----\n It\'s being developed at Bellcore, and its speciality are\n multidimensional data sets analysis and exploration. You can call it\n from the S language also, and it works as an X11 client using the Athena\n widget set (or with an ASCII terminal). It\'s distributed free of charge\n from STATLIB at CMU.\n To get it via e-mail, send email to statlib@temper.stat.cmu.edu and\n in the body area of the message, put the line\n\n send xgobi from general\n\n If you want to pick it via ftp, connect to lib.stat.cmu.edu. Log in as\n "statlib" and use your e-mail address as your password. Then type\n\n cd general\n mget xgobi.*\n\n Warning: It\'s about 2 MB sources + large Postscript manual. Read the\n relevant README to decide whether you need it or not.\n\nPGPLOT\n------\n Runs on VAX/VMS and supposedly on UNIX. It\'s a set of fortran routines freely\n available (though copyrighted and requiring a nominal fee of $50 or so)\n that includes contour plots and support for various devices, including ps.\n Contact tjp@deimos.caltech.edu\n\nGGRAPH\n------\n Host shorty.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.8] : /pub/ggraph.tar.Z\n Unknown more details.\n\nepiGRAPH\n--------\n For PCs. Call dvj@lab2.phys.lgu.spb.su (Vladimir J. Dmitriev) for details.\n You can get the program demo or (and) play version, if sent 10 $ to\n\n 1251 Budapest posta fiok 60\n Hungary\n ph/fax 1753696 Budapest\n ph 2017760\n\nMultiplot XLN\n-------------\n For Amigas, shareware ($30 USD, #20 UK or $40 Aust.). Advanced 2D package\n that has a big list of features. Contact:\n\n Dr. Alan Baxter <agb16@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk>,\n Cambridge University\n Department of Pathology,\n Tennis Court Road,\n Cambridge CB2 1QP, UK\n\n\n+Athena Plotter Widget set\n+-------------------------\n+ \n+ This version V6.0 is based on Gregory Bond\'s version V5-beta. Added\n+ some stuff for scientific graphs, i.e. log axes, free scalable axes,\n+ XY-lineplots and some more, and re-added plotter callbacks from V4, e.g.\n+ to request the current pointer position, or to cut off a rectangle from the\n+ plotting area for zooming-in. Version V6.0 has a log of bugs fixed and a\n+ log of improvements against V6-beta. Additionally I did some other\n+ changes/extensions, besides \n+ \n+ - Origin and frame lines for axes.\n+ - Subgrid lines on subtic positions.\n+ - Line plots in different line types (lines, points, lines+points,\n+ impulses, lines+impulses, steps, bars), line styles (solid, dotted,\n+ dashed, dot-dashed) and marker types for data points.\n+ - Legend at the right or left hand side of the plot.\n+ - Optional drawing to a pixmap instead of a window.\n+ - Layout callback for aligning axis positions when using\n+ multiple plotters in one application.\n+ \n+ Available at export.lcs.mit.edu, directory contrib/plotter\n+\n+SciPlot\n+-------\n+ SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. \n+ For the NeXT (requires NeXTStep 3.0), and it\'s shareware.\n+\n+ Features:\n+ ASCII import and export; EPS export; copy, cut, paste with data buffer;\n+ free number of data points, data buffer, and document window;\n+ selective open and save ; plotting in many styles; automatic legend;\n+ subviews; linear and logarithmic axes; two different axes; text and graphic;\n+ color support; zoom; normalizing and moving; axis conversions;\n+ free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.); data editor; sorting\n+ of data; absolute,relative, and free defined error bars;\n+ calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ); background subtractions\n+ (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier); integration and relative integration;\n+ fitting of one or more free defined functions; linear regression;\n+ calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.); function generator;\n+ spline interpolation; least square smooth and FFT smooth; differentiation;\n+ FFT; ESCA calculations and database; .. and something more \n+\n+ You can find it on:\n+ ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.7] : /pub/NeXT/science/SciPlot3.1.tar.Z\n+\n+ Author:\n+ Michael Wesemann\n+ Scillerstr. 73,1000 Berlin 12, Germany \n+ mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de\n+\n+PLPLOT\n+------\n+ PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro)\n+ and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness,\n+ it has enough power to satisfy most users, including:\n+ standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots,\n+ mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or\n+ different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each\n+ graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually\n+ infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are\n+ almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four\n+ different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and\n+ other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects.\n+ Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent),\n+ including a portable metafile format and renderer.\n+ \n+ Freely available (but copyrighted) via anonymous FTP on\n+ hagar.ph.utexas.edu, directory pub/plplot\n+ \n+ At present (v. 4.13), PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems:\n+ \n+ Unix: SunOS, A/IX, HP-UX, Unicos, DG/UX, Ultrix\n+ Other platforms: VMS, Amiga/Exec, MS-DOS, OS/2, NeXT\n+ \n+ Authors: Many. The main supporters are:\n+ \n+ Maurice LeBrun <mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu>: PLPLOT kernel and the metafile,\n+ xterm, xwindow, tektronix, and Amiga drivers.\n+ Geoff Furnish <furnish@fusion.ph.utexas.edu>: MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers\n+ Tony Richardson <amr@egr.duke.edu>: PLPLOT on the NeXT\n+\n+SuperMongo\n+----------\n+ 2-D plotting package at CMU, filename ~re00/tmp/SM.2.1.0.tar.Z\n+ (probably under the ftp.cmu.edu or andrew.cmu.edu machines?)\n+\n+GLE\n+---\n+ GLE is a high quality graphics package for scientists. It runs on a\n+ variety of platforms (PCs, VAXes, and Unix) with drivers for XWindows,\n+ REGIS, TEK4010, PC graphics cards, VT100s, HP plotters, Postscript\n+ printers, Epson-compatible printers and Laserjet/Paintjet printers. It\n+ provides LaTEX quality fonts, as well as full support for Postscript\n+ fonts. The graphing module provides full control over all features of\n+ graphs. The graphics primitives include user-defined subroutines for\n+ complex pictures and diagrams.\n+\n+ Accompanying utilities include Surface (for hidden line surface\n+ plotting), Contour (for contour plots), Manip (for manipulation of\n+ columnar data files), and Fitls (for fitting arbitrary equations to\n+ data).\n+\n+ Mailing list: GLEList. Send a message to\n+\n+ listserver@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu, with a message boyd containing\n+\n+ sub glelist "Your Name"\n+ \n+ maintainer: Dean Pentcheff <dean2@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu>\n\n==========================================================================\n\n15. Image analysis software - Image processing and display\n==========================================================\n\nPC and Mac-based tools (multi-platform software)\n======================\n\nIMDISP\n------\n IMDISP Written at JPL and other NASA sites. Can do simple display,\n enhancing, smoothing and so on. Works with the FITS and VICAR/PDS\n data formats of NASA. Can read TIFF images, if you know their dimensions\n [PC and Macs]\n\nLabVIEW 2\n---------\n LabVIEW is used as a framework for image processing tools. It provides a\n graphical programming environment using block diagram sketch is the\n "program" with graphical elements representing the programming elements.\n Hundreds of functions are already available and are connected using a\n wiring tool to create the block diagram (program). Functions that the\n block diagrams represent include digital signal processing and\n filtering, numerical analysis, statistics, etc. The tool allows any\n Virtual Instrument (VI, a software file that looks and acts like a real\n laboratory instrument) to be used as a part of any other virtual\n instrument.\n\n National Instruments markets plug-in digital signal processing (DSP)\n boards for Macintoshs and PC compatables that allow real-time\n acquisition and analysis at a personal computer. New software tools for\n DSP are allowing engineers to harness the power of this technology. The\n tools range from low-level debugging software to high-level block\n diagram development software. There are three levels of DSP programming\n associated with the NB-DSP2300 board and LabVIEW:\n Use of the NB-DSP2300 Analysis Library: FFTs, power spectra, filters\n routines callable from THINK C and Macintosh Programers Workshop (MPW) C\n that execute on the NB-DSP2300 board. There is an analysis Virtual\n Interface Library of ready-to-use VIs optimized for the NB-DSP2300.\n\n Use of the National Instruments Developers Toolkit that includes an\n optimizing C compiler, an assembler and a linker for low-level\n programming of the DSP hardware. This approach offers the highest level\n of performance but is the must difficult in terms of ease of use.\n\n Use of the National Instruments Interface Kit software package which has\n utility functions for memory management data communications and\n downloading code to the NB-DSP2300 board. (This is the easiest route for\n the development of custom code.)\n\nUltimage Concept VI\n-------------------\n Concept VI by Graftek-France is a family of image processing Virtual\n Instruments (VIs) that give LabVIEW 2 (described above) users high-end\n tools for designing, integrating and monitoring imaging control systems.\n A VI is a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory\n instrument. Typical applications for Concept VI include thermography,\n surveillance, machine vision, production testing, biomedical imaging,\n electronic microscopy and remote sensing.\n\n Ultimage Concept VI addresses applications which require further\n qualitative and quantitative analysis. It includes a complete set of\n functions for image enhancement, histogram equalization, spatial and\n frequency filtering, isolation of features, thresholding, mathematical\n morphology analysis, density measurement, object counting, sizing and\n characterization.\n\n The program loads images with a minimum resolution of 64 by 64, a pixel\n depth of 8, 16, or 32 bits, and one image plane. Standard input and\n output formats include PICT, TIFF, SATIE, and AIPD. Other formats can\n be imported.\n\n Image enhancement features include lookup table transformations, spatial\n linear and non-linear filters, frequency filtering, arithmetic and logic\n operations, and geometric transformations, among others. Morphological\n transformations include erosion, dilation, opening, closing, hole\n removal, object separation, and extraction of skeletons, among others.\n Quantitative analysis provides for objects\' detection, measurement, and\n morphological distribution. Measures include area, perimeter, center of\n gravity, moment of inertia, orientation, length of relevant chords, and\n shape factors and equivalence. Measures are saved in ASCII format. The\n program also provides for macro scripting and integration of custom\n modules.\n\n A 3-D view command plots a perspective data graph where image intensity\n is depicted as mountains or valleys in the plot. The histogram tool can\n be plotted with either a linear or logarithmic scale. The twenty-eight\n arithmetic and logical operations provide for: masking and averaging\n sections of images, noise removal, making comparisons, etc. There are\n 13 spatial filters that alter pixel intensities based on local\n intensity. These include high-pass filters for contrast and outlines.\n The frequency data resulting from FFT analysis can be displayed as\n either the (real , imaginary ) components or the (phase, magnitude)\n data. The morphological transformations are useful for data sharpening\n and defining objects or for removing artifacts.\n\n The transformations include: thresholding, eroding, dilating and even\n hole filling.\n\n The program\'s quantitative analysis measurements include: area,\n perimeter, center of mass, object counts, and angle between points.\n\n GTFS, Inc. 2455 Bennett Valley Road #100C Santa Rosa, CA 95494\n 707-579-1733\n\nIPLab Spectrum\n--------------\n IPLAB Spectrum supports image processing and analysis but lacks the\n morphology and quantitative analysis features provided by\n Graftek-FranceUs Ultimage Concept VI. Using scripting tools, the user\n tells the system the operations to be performed. The problem is that far\n too many basic operations require manual intervention. The tool\n supports: FFTs, 16 arithmetic operations for pixel alteration, and a\n movie command for cycling through windows.\n\n\nMacintosh-based tools\n=====================\n\nNCSA Image, NCSA PalEdit and more\n---------------------------------\n NCSA provides a whole suite of public-domain visualization tools for the\n Macintosh, primarily aimed at researchers wanting to visualize results\n from numerical modelling calculations. These applications,\n documentation, and source code are available for anonymous ftp from\n ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Commercial versions of the NCSA programs have been\n developed by Spyglass.\n\n Spyglass, Inc. 701 Devonshire Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 355-6000\n fax: 217 355 8925\n\nNIH IMAGE\n---------\n Available at alw.nih.gov (128.231.128.7) or (preferably)\n zippy.nimh.nih.gov [128.231.98.32], directory:/pub/image.\n It has painting and image manipulation tools, a macro language,\n tools for measuring areas, distances and angles, and for counting\n things. Using a frame grabber card, it can record sequences of\n images to be played back as a movie. It can invoke user-defined\n convolution matrix filters, such as Gaussian. It can import raw\n data in tab-delimited ASCII, or as 1 or 2-byte quantities. It also\n does histograms and even 3-D plots. It is limited to 8-bits/pixel,\n though the 8 bits map into a color lookup table. It runs on any Mac\n that has a 256-color screen and a FPU (or get the NonFPU version\n from zippy.nimh.nih.gov)\n\nPhotoMac\n--------\n Data Translation, Inc. 100 Locke Dr. Marlboro, MA 01752 508-481-3700\n\nPhotoPress\n----------\n Blue Solutions 3039 Marigold Place Thousand Oaks, CA 91360 805-492-9973\n\nPixelTools and TCL-Image\n------------------------\n "Complete family of PixelTools (hardware accelerator and applications\n software) for scientific image processing and analysis. Video-rate\n capture, display, processing, and analysis of high-resolution\n monochromatic and color images. Includes C source code."\n\nTCL-Image:\n "Software package for scientific, quantitative image processing and\n analysis. It provides a complete language for the capture, enhancement,\n and extraction of quantitative information from gray-scale images.\n TCL_Image has over 200 functions for image processing, and contains the\n other elements needed in a full programming language for algorithm\n development -- variables and control structures. It is easily\n extensible through "script" (or indirect command) files. These script\n files are simply text files that contain TCL-Image commands. They are\n executed as normal commands and include the ability to pass parameters.\n The direct capture of video images is supported via popular frame\n grabber boards. TCL-Image comes with the I-View utility that provides\n conversion between common image file types, such as PICT2 and TIFF."\n\n Perceptics 725 Pellissippi Parkway Knoxville, TN 37933 615-966-9200\n\nSatellite Image Workshop\n------------------------\n It comes with a number of satellite pictures (raw data) and does all\n sorts of image enhancing on it. You\'ll need at least a Mac II with co-\n processor; a 256 color display and a large harddisk. The program doesn\'t\n run under system 7.x.ATE1 V1\n\n In the documentation the contact address is given as: Liz Smith, Jet\n Propulsion Laboratory, MS 300-323, 4800 Oak Grove Dr,.Pasadena, CA 91109\n (818) 354-6980\n\nVisualization Workbench\n-----------------------\n "An electronic imaging software system that performs interactive image\n analysis and scientific 2D and 3D plotting."\n\n Paragon Imagine 171 Lincoln St. Lowell, MA 01852 508-441-2112\n\nAdobe Photoshop\n---------------\n\n The tool supports Rtrue colorS with 24-bit images or 256 levels of grey\n scale. Once an image has been imported it can be Rre-touchedS with\n various editing tools typical of those used in Macintosh-based RpaintS\n applications. These include an eraser, pencil, brush and air brush.\n Advanced RpasteS tools that control the interaction between a pasted\n selection and the receiving site have also been incorporated. For\n example, all red pixels in a selection can easily be preventing from\n being pasted. Photoshop has transparencies ranging from 0 to 100%,\n allowing you to create ghost overlays. RPhoto-editingS tools include\n control of the brightness and contrast, color balancing, hue/saturation\n modification and spectrum equalization. Images can be subjected to\n various signal processing algorithms to smooth or sharpen the image,\n blur edges, or locate edges. Image scaling is also supported.\n\n For storage savings, the images can be compressed using standard\n algorithms, including externally supplied compression such as JPEG,\n availlable from Storm Technologies. The latest version of Adobe\n Photoshop supports the import of numerous image formats including: EPSF,\n EPSF, TIFF, PICT resource, Amiga IFF/ILBM, CompuServe GIF, MacPaint,\n PIXAR, PixelPaint, Scitex CT, TGA and ThunderScan..\n\n Adobe Systems, Inc. 1585 Charlestown Road PO Box 7900 Mountain View, CA\n 94039-7900 415-961-4400\n\nColorStudio and ImageStudio\n---------------------------\n ColorStudio is an image-editing and paint package from Letraset that has\n more features than Adobe Photoshop but is decidedly more complex and\n therefore more difficult to use. Several steps are often required to\n accomplish that which can be done in a single step using Photoshop. The\n application requires a great deal of available disk space as one can\n easily end up with images in the 30 MB range. The program provides a\n variety of powerful selection tools including the "auto selection tool"\n which lets the user choose image areas on the basis of color, close\n hues, color range and mask.\n\nImageStudio: Don\'t know...\n\n Letraset USA 40 Eisenhower Drive Paramus, NJ 07653 201-845-6100\n\nDapple Systems\n--------------\n "High resolution image analysis software provides processing tools to\n work with multiple images, enhance and edit, and measure a variety of\n global or feature parameters, and interpret the data."\n\n Dapple Systems, 355 W. Olive Ave, #100 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-733-3283\n\nDigital Darkroom\n----------------\n The latest release of Digital Darkroom has five new selection and\n editing tools for enhancing images. One such feature allows the user to\n select part of an image simply by "painting" it. A new polyline\n selection tool creates a selection tool for single pixel wide\n selections. A brush lets the operator "paint" with a selected portion\n of the image. Note that this is not a true color image enhancement tool.\n This tool should be used when the user intends to operate in grey-scale\n images only. It should be noted that Digital Darkroom is not as\n powerful as either Adobe Photoshop or ColorStudio.\n\n Silicon Beach Software 9770 Carroll Ctr. Rd., Suite J San Diego, CA\n 92126 619-695-6956\n\nDimple\n------\n It is compatible with system 6.05 and system 7.0 , requires Mac LC or\n II series with 256 colours, with a recommended min of 6Mb of ram. It has\n the capability of reading Erdas files. Functions include; image\n enhancement, 3D and contour plots, image statistics, supervised and\n unsupervised classification, PCA and other image transformations. There\n is also a means (Image Operation Language or IOL) by which you can write\n your own transformations. There is no image rectification, however\n Dimple is compatable with MAPII. The latest version is 1.4 and it is in\n the beta stage of testing. Dimple was initially developed as a teaching\n tool and it is very good for this purpose."\n\n "Dimple runs on a colour Macintosh. It is a product still in its\n development phase.. i.e. it doesn\'t have all the inbuilt features of\n other packages, but is coming along nicely. It has its own inbuilt\n language for writing "programs" for processing an image, defining\n convolution filters etc. Dimple is a full mac application with pull down\n menus etc... It is unprotected software."\n\n Process Software Solutions, PO Box 2110, Wollongong, New South Wales,\n Australia. 2500. Phone 61 42 261757 Fax 61 42 264190.\n\nEnhance\n-------\n Enhance has a RrulerS tool that supports measurements and additionally\n provides angle data. The tool has over 80 mathematical filter\n variations: "Laplacian, medium noise filter", etc. Files can be saved\n as either TIFF, PICT, EPSF or text (however EPSF files can\'t be imported).\n\n MicroFrontier 7650 Hickman Road Des Moines, IA 50322 515-270-8109\n\nImage Analyst\n-------------\n An image processing product for users who need to extract quantitative\n data from video images. Image Analyst lets users configure\n sophisticated image processing and measurement routines without the\n necessity of knowing a programming language. It is designed for such\n tasks at computing number and size of cells in images projected by video\n cameras attached to microscopes, or enhancing and measuring distances in\n radiographs.\n\n Image Analyst provides users with an array of field-proven video\n analysis techniques that enable them to easily assemble a sequence of\n instructions to enhance feature appearance; count objects; determine\n density, shape, size, position, or movement; perform object feature\n extraction; and conduct textural analysis automatically. Image Analyst\n works with either a framegrabber board and any standard video camera, or\n a disk-stored image.\n\n Within minutes, without the need for programming, the Image Analyst user\n can set up a process to identify and analyze any element of a image.\n Measurements and statistics can be automatically or semi-automatically\n generated from TIFF or PICT files or from captured video tape images.\n Image Analyst recognizes items in images based on their size, shape and\n position. The tool provides direct support for the Data Translation and\n Scion frame grabbers. A menu command allows for image capture from a VCR\n video camera or other NTSC or PAL devices.\n\n There are 2 types of files, the image itself and the related Sequence\n file that holds the processing, measurements and analysis that the user\n defines. Automated sequences are set up in Regions Of Interest (ROI)\n represented by movable, sizable boxes atop the image. Inside a ROI, the\n program can find the distance between two edges, the area of a shape,\n the thickness of a wall, etc. Image Analyst finds the center, edge and\n other positions automatically. The application also provides tools so\n that the user can work interactively to find the edge of object. It also\n supports histograms and a color look-up table (CLUT) tool.\n\n Automatix, Inc. 775 Middlesex Turnpike Billerica, MA 01821 508-667-7900\n\nIPLab\n-----\n Signal Analytics Corp. 374 Maple Ave. E Vienna, VA 22180 703-281-3277\n FAX 703-281-2509\n\n "Menu-driven image processing software that supports 24-bit color or\n pseudocolor/grayscale image display and manipulation."\n\nMAP II\n------\n Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II distributed by John Wiley has\n integrated image analysis.\n\nIMAGE\n-----\n from Stanford : Try anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu\n It has pd source for image v2, and ready to run code for a mac under\n image v3.\n\n\n\nWindows/DOS PC-based tools\n==========================\n\nCCD\n---\n Richard Berry\'s CCD imaging book for Willamon-Bell contains (optional?)\n disks with image manipulating software. Source code is included.\n\nERDAS\n-----\n "ERDAS will do all of the things you want: rectification,\n classification, transformations (canned & user-defined), overlays,\n filters, contrast enhancement, etc. ... I was using it on my thesis &\n then changed the topic a bit & that work became secondary."\n\n ERDAS, Inc. 2801 Buford Highway Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30329 404-248-9000\n FAX 404-248-9400\n\nRSVGA\n-----\n "I have been getting up to speed on a program called RSVGA available from\n Eidetic Digital Image Ltd. in British Columbia. Its for IBM PC\'s or\n clones, cheap (about $400) and does all the stuff Erdas does but is not\n as fast or as powerful, though I have had only limited experience with\n Erdas. I have used RSVGA with 6 of 7 Landsat bands and it is a good\n starter program except for the obtuse manual"\n\nIMAGINE-32\n----------\n It\'s a 32 bit package [I suppose for PCs] called "Imagine32"\n or "Image32" The program does a modest amount of image processing --add,\n subtract, multiply, divide, display, and plot an x or y cut across the image.\n It can also display a number of images simultaneously.\n The company is CompuScope, in Santa Barbara, CA. \n\nPC Vista\n--------\n It was announced in the 1989 August edition of PASP. It is known to\n be available from Mike Richmond, whose email addresses have been\n\n\trichmond@bllac.berkeley.edu\n\trichmond@bkyast.berkeley.edu\n\n and his s-mail address is:\n\n Michael Richmond,Astronomy Department, Campbell Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720\n\n The latest version of PC-Vista, version 1.7, includes not only the source\n code and help files, but also a complete set of executable programs and\n a number of sample FITS images. If you do wish to use the source code,\n you will need Microsoft C, version 5.0 or later; other compilers may work,\n but will require substantial modifications.\n\n To receive the documentation and nine double-density (360K) floppies\n (or three quad-density 3-1/2 inch floppies (1.44M) with everything on them,\n just send a request for PC-Vista, together with your name and a US-Mail\n address, to \n\n\tOffice of Technology Licensing\n\t2150 Shattuck Ave., Suite 510\n\tBerkeley, Ca. 94704\n\n Include a check (Traveller\'s Checks are fine) or purchase order for $150.00\n in U.S. dollars, if your address is inside the continental U.S., or $165.00\n otherwise, made out to Regents of the University of California\n to cover duplication and mailing costs.\n\n\nSOFTWARE TOOLS\n--------------\n It\'s a set of software "tools" put out by Canyon State\n Systems and Software. They are not free, but rather cheap at about $30 I\n heard. It will handle most all of the formats used by frame grabber\n software. \n\nMIRAGE\n------\n It\'s image processing software written by Jim Gunn at the\n Astrophysics Dept at Princeton. It will run on a PC among other platforms.\n It is a Forth based system - i.e. a Forth language with many image\n processing displaying functions built in. \n\nDATA TRANSLATION SOURCE BOOK\n----------------------------\n The Data Translation company in Massachusetts publishes a free book\n containing vendors of data analysis hardware and software which is\n compatible with Data Translation and other frame grabbers.\n Surely you can find much more PC-related stuff in it.\n\nMAXEN386\n--------\n A couple of Canadians have written a program named MAXEN386 which does\n maximum entropy image deconvolution. Their company is named Digital\n Signal Processing Software, or something like that, and the software is\n mentioned in an article in Astronomy Magazine, either Jan or Feb 92\n (an article on CCD\'s vs film). \n\nJANDEL SCIENTIFIC (JAVA)\n------------------------\n Another software package (JAVA) is put out by Jandel Scientific. \n Jandel Scientific, 65 Koch Road, Corte Madera, CA 94925, (415) 924-8640,\n (800) 874-1888.\n\nMicrobrian\n----------\n Runs on an MS dos platform and uses a 32 bit graphics card\n (Vista), or an about to be released version will support a number of\n super VGA cards. Its a full blown remote sensed data processing\n system.. It is menu driven (character based screen), but is does not use\n a windowed user interface. Its is hardware protected with a dongle.\n Mbrian = micro Barrier reef Image Anaysis System. It was developed by\n CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Organization) and is\n marketed/ supported by:\n\n MPA Australia (51 Lusher Road, Croydon, Victoria\n tel + 61 3 724 4488 fax +61 3 724 4455)\n\n There are educational and commercial prices, but be prepared to set\n aside $A10k for the first educational licence. Subsequent ones come\n cheaper (they need to!) It has installed sites worldwide. It is widely\n used at ANU.\n\nMicroImage\n----------\n The remote sensing lab here at Dartmouth currently uses Terra-Mar\'s\n MicroImage, on 486 PCs with some fancy display hardware.\n\n Terra-Mar Resource Information Services, Inc.\n\n 1937 Landings Drive Mountain View, CA 94043 415-964-6900 FAX\n 415-964-5430\n\nUnix-based tools\n================\n\nIRAF (Image Reduction and Analysis Facility)\n--------------------------------------------\n Developed in the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, Kitt Peak AZ\n It is free, you can ftp it from tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1]\n and complement it with STSDAS from stsci.edu [130.167.1.2].\n Email to iraf@noao.edu for more details.\n Apparently this is one of the _de facto_ standards in the astronomical\n image community. They issue a newsletter also.\n They seem to support very well their users. Works with VMS also last\n I heard, and practically has its own shell on top of the VMS/Unix shells.\n\n It\'s suggested that you get a copy of saoimage for display under X windows.\n Very flexible/extendable -- tons (literally 3 linear feet) of\n documentation for the general user, skilled user, and programmer.\n\nALV\n---\n A Sun-specific image toolkit. Version 2.0.6 posted to\n comp.sources.sun on 11dec89. Also available via email to\n alv-users-request@cs.bris.ac.uk.\n\nAIPS\n----\n Astronomical Image Processing System. Contact: aipsmail@nrao.edu\n (also see the UseNet Newsgroups alt.sci.astro.aips and sci.astro.fits)\n Built by NRAO (National Radio Astronomy Observatory, HQ in Charlottesville,\n VA, sites in NM, AZ, WV). Software distributed by 9-track, Exabyte, DAT,\n or (non-anonymous) internet ftp. Documentation (PostScript mostly)\n available via anonymous ftp to baboon.cv.nrao.edu (192.33.115.103),\n directory pub/aips and pub/aips/TEXT/PUBL. Installation requires building\n the system and thus a Fortran and C compiler.\n This package can read and write FITS data (see sci.astro.fits), and is\n primarily for reduction, analysis, and image enhancement of Radio Astronomy\n data from radio telescopes, particularly the Very Large Array (VLA), a\n synthesis instrument. It consists of almost 300 programs that do everything\n from copying data to sophisticated deconvolution, e.g. via maximum entropy.\n There is an X11-based Image tool (XAS) and a tek-compatible xterm-based\n graphics tool built into AIPS. The XAS tool is modelled after the hardware\n functionality of the International Imaging Systems model 70 display unit and\n can do image arithmetic, etc.\n The code is mostly Fortran 77 with some system C language modules, and is\n available for Suns, IBM RS/6000, Dec/Ultrix, Convex, Cray (Unicos), and\n Alliant with support planned for HP-9000/7xx, Solaris 2.1, and maybe SGI.\n There is currently a project - "AIPS++" - underway to rewrite the\n algorithmic functionality of AIPS in a modern setting, using C++ and an\n object oriented approach. Whereas AIPS is proprietary code (licensed for\n free to non-profit institutions) owner by NRAO and the NSF, AIPS++ will be\n in the public domain at some level, as it is an international effort with\n contributions from the US, Canada, England, the Netherlands, India, and\n Australia to name a few. \n\nLABOimage\n---------\n (version 4.0 is out for X11) It\'s written in C, and currently\n runs on Sun 3/xxx, Sun 4/xxx (OS3.5, 4.0 and 4.0.3) under SunView.\n The expert system for image segmentation is written in Allegro Common Lisp.\n It was used on the following domains: computer science (image analysis), \n medicine, biology, physics. It is distributed free of charge (source code).\n Available via anonymous FTP at ftp.ads.com (128.229.30.16), in\n pub/VISION-LIST-ARCHIVE/SHAREWARE/LaboImage_*\n\n Contact: Prof. Thierry Pun, Computer Vision Group Computing Science Center,\n U-Geneva 12, rue du Lac, CH-1207 Geneva SWITZERLAND\n Phone : +41(22) 787 65 82; fax: +41(22) 735 39 05\n E-mail: pun@cui.unige.ch or pun@cgeuge51.bitnet\n\n\nFigaro\n------\n It was originally made for VMS, and can be obtained from\n Keith Shortridge in Australia (ks@aaoepp.aao.gov.au)\n and for Unix from Sam Southard at Caltech (sns@deimos.caltech.edu).\n It\'s about 110Mbytes on a Sun.\n\nKHOROS\n------\n Moved to the Scientific Visualization category below\n\nVista\n-----\n The "real thing" is available via anonymous ftp from lowell.edu. Email to\n vista@lowell.edu for more details. Total size less than 20Mbytes.\n\nDISIMP\n------\n (Device Independent Software for Image Processing) is a powerful\n system providing both user friendliness and high functionality in\n interactive times.\n\n Feature Description\n\n DISIMP incorporates a rich library of image processing utilities and\n spatial data options. All functions can be easily accessed via the\n DISIMP executive. This menu is modular in design and groups image\n processes by their function. Such a logical structure means that\n complicated processes are simply a progression through a series of\n modules.\n\n Processes include image rectification, classification (unsupervised and\n supervised), intensity transformations, three dimensional display and\n Principal Component Analysis. DISIMP also supports the more simple and\n effective enhancement techniques of filtering, band subtraction and\n ratioing.\n\n Host Configuration Requirements\n\n Running on UNIX workstations, DISIMP is capable of processing the more\n computational intensive techniques in interactive processing times.\n DISIMP is available in both Runtime and Programmer\'s environments. Using\n the Programmers environment, utilities can be developed for specific\n applications programs.\n\n Graphics are governed by an icon-based Display Panel which allows quick\n enhancments of a displayed image. Manipulations of Look Up Tables,\n colour stretches, changes to histograms, zooming and panning can be\n interactively driven through this control.\n\n A range of geographic projections enables DISIMP to integrate data of\n image, graphic and textual types. Images can be rectified by a number of\n coordinate systems, providing the true geographic knowledge essential\n for ground truthing. Overlays of grids, text and vector data can be\n added to further enhance referenced imagery.\n\n The system is a flexible package allowing users of various skill levels\n to determine their own working environment, including the amount of help\n required. DISIMP comes fully configured with no optional extras. The\n purchase price includes all functionality required for professional\n processing of remote sensed data.\n\n For further information, please contact:\n\n The Business Manager, CLOUGH Engineering Group Systems Division, 627\n Chapel Street, South Yarra, Australia 3141. Telephone: +61 3 825 5555\n Fax: +61 3 826 6463\n\nGlobal Imaging Software\n-----------------------\n "We use Global Imaging Software to process AVHRR data, from the dish to\n the final display. Select a chunk of five band data from a pass,\n automatic navigation, calibrate it to Albedo and Temp, convert that to\n byte, register it to predesigned window, all relatively automatically\n and carefree.\n\n It has no classification routines to speak of, but it isn\'t that\n difficult to write your own with their programmer\'s module.\n\n Very small operation: one designs, one codes, one sells. Been around for\n a number of years, sold to Weather Service and Navy. Runs on HP9000\n with HP-UX. Supports 24-bit display"\n\nHIPS\n----\n(Human Information Processing Laboratory\'s Image Processing System)\n\n Michael Landy co-wrote and sell a general-purpose package for image\n processing which has been used for basically all the usual image\n processing applications (robotics, medical, satellite, engineering, oil\n exploration, etc.). It is called HIPS, and deals with sequences of\n multiband images in the same way it deals with single images. It has\n been growing since we first wrote it, both by additions from us as well\n as a huge user-contributed library.\n\n Feature description\n\n HIPS is a set of image processing modules which together provide\n a powerful suite of tools for those interested in research,\n system development and teaching. It handles sequences of images\n (movies) in precisely the same manner as single frames.\n\n Programs and subroutines have been developed for simple image\n transformations, filtering, convolution, Fourier and other transform\n processing, edge detection and line drawing manipulation, digital\n image compression and transmission methods, noise generation, and image\n statistics computation. Over 150 such image transformation programs\n have been developed. As a result, almost any image processing task\n can be performed quickly and conveniently. Additionally, HIPS allows\n users to easily integrate their own custom routines. New users\n become effective using HIPS on their first day.\n\n HIPS features images that are self-documenting. Each image stored in\n the system contains a history of the transformations that have been\n applied to that image. HIPS includes a small set of subroutines\n which primarily deals with a standardized image sequence header, and\n a large library of image transformation tools in the form of UNIX\n ``filters\'\'. It comes complete with source code, on-line manual\n pages, and on-line documentation.\n\n Host Configuration Requirements\n\n Originally developed at New York University, HIPS now represents\n one of the most extensive and flexible vision and image processing\n environments currently available. It runs under the UNIX operating\n system. It is modular and flexible, provides automatic documentation\n of its actions, and is almost entirely independent of special equipment.\n HIPS is now in use on a variety of computers including Vax and\n Microvax, Sun, Apollo, Masscomp, NCR Tower, Iris, IBM AT, etc.\n For image display and input, drivers are supplied for the Grinnell and\n Adage (Ikonas) image processors, and the Sun-2, Sun-3, Sun- 4, and\n Sun-386i consoles. We also supply user-contributed drivers for a\n number of other framestores and windowing packages (Sun gfx, Sun\n console, Matrox VIP-1024, ITI IP-512, Lexidata, Macintosh II, X\n windowing system, and Iris). The Hipsaddon package includes an\n interface for the CRS-4000. It is a simple matter to interface HIPS\n with other frame- stores, and we can put interested users in touch with\n users who have interfaced HIPS with the Arlunya and Datacube Max-\n Video. HIPS can be easily adapted for other image display devices\n because 98% of HIPS is machine independent.\n\n Availability\n\n HIPS has proven itself a highly flexible system, both as an\n interactive research tool, and for more production- oriented tasks. It\n is both easy to use, and quickly adapted and extended to new uses. HIPS\n is supplied on magnetic tape in UNIX tar format (either reel- to-reel or\n Sun cartridge), and comes with source code, libraries, a library of\n convolu- tion masks, and on-line documentation and manual pages.\n\n Michael Landy SharpImage Software P.O. Box 373, Prince Street Station\n New York, NY 10012-0007 Voice: (212) 998-7857 Fax: (212) 995-4011\n msl@cns.nyu.edu\n\n\nMIRA\n----\n[ Please DON\'T confuse that with the Thalmanns animation system from\n Montreal. These are altogether different beasts! - nfotis ]\n\n MIRA stands for Microcomputer Image Reduction and Analysis. MIRA gives\n workstation level performance on 386/486 DOS computers using SVGA cards in\n 256 color modes up to 1024x768. MIRA contains a very handsome/functional\n GUI which is mouse and keystroke operated. MIRA reads/writes TIFF and FITS\n formats, native formats of a number of CCD cameras, and uncompressed binary\n images in byte, short integer, and 4-byte real pixel format in 1- or 2-\n dimensions. The result of an image processing operation can be short integer\n or real pixels, or the same as that of the input image. MIRA does the\n operation using short or floating point arithmetic to maintain the precision\n and accuracy of the pixel format. Over 100 functions are hand-coded in\n assembly language for maximum speed on the Intel hardware. The entire\n graphical interface is also written in assembly language to maximize\n the speed of windowing operations. Windows for 2-d image and 1-d image/data\n display and analysis have dedicated cursors which read position and value\n value in real time as you move the mouse. There are also smooth, real time\n contrast and brightness stretch and panning of a magnified portion of\n the displayed image(s), all operated by the mouse. A wide selection of\n grayscale, pseudocolor, and random palettes is provided, and other \n palettes can be generated.\n\n\nSupported functions include such niceties as the following:\n\no image & image: + - / * interpolation\no image & constant: + - / *\no unary operations: abs value, polynomial of pixel value, chs, 1/x, log,\n byteswap, clip values at upper/lower limits, short->real or real->short.\no combine images by mean, median, mode, or sum of pixel values, with or\n without autoscaling to mean, median, or mode of an image section.\no convolutions/filters: Laplacian, Sobel edge operator, directional gradient,\n line, Gaussian, elliptical and rectangular equal weight filters, unsharp\n masking, median filters, user defined filter kernel. Ellipse, rectangle,\n line, gradient, Gaussian, and user defined filters can be rotated to\n any specified angle.\no CCD data reduction: flat fielding, dark subtraction, column over/underscan\n bias removal, remove bad pixels and column defects, normalize to\n region target mean, median, or modal value.\no create subimage, mosaic m x n 1-d or 2-d images to get larger image,\n collapse 2-d image into 1-d image.\no plot 1-d section or collapsed section of 2-d image, plot histogram of\n region of an image.\no review/change image information/header data, rename keywords, plot\n keyword values for a set of images.\no luminance/photometry: elliptical or circular aperture photometry,\n brightness profile, isophotal photometry between set of upper & lower\n luminances, area and luminance inside traced polygon. Interactive\n background fitting and removal from part or all of image, fit elliptical\n aperture shape to image isophotes. \no interactive with 2-d image: contrast/brightness, x- y- or diagonal plot\n of pixel values, distance between two points, compute region stats,`\n centroid, pan to x,y location or image center, zoom 1/16 to 10 times,\n change cursor to rectangle crosshair, full image crosshair, or off, and\n adjust cursor size on image. Select linear, log or gamma transfer function\n or histogram equalization.\no interactive or specified image offset computation and re-sampling for\n registration.\no interactive with 1-d image: zoom in x- y- or both in steps of 1/2 or\n 2 times current, re-center plot, or enlarge a framed area. 4 plot buffers\n can be cycled through. Interactive data analysis: polynomial fitting,\n point deletion, undelete, change value, point weighting, linear and\n quadratic loess and binomial smoothing, revert to unit point weights\n or original data buffer, substitute results into data buffer for pass\n back to calling function. Dump data buffer (+ overlays and error bars)\n to file or printer. Change to user specified coordinate system.\no Tricolor image combination and display, hardcopy halftone printout to\n HP-PCL compatible printers (Laserjet, deskjet, etc.)\no Documentation is over 300 pages in custom vinyl binder.\n\n Cost: 995 $USD/copy\n\n Available from:\n\n Axiom Research, Inc.\n Box 44162\n Tucson, AZ 85733\n (602) 791-2864 phone/fax.\n\n international marketing rep: Saguaro Scientific Corporation, Tucson, Arizona.\n\n==========================================================================\n\nEnd of Part 2 of the Resource Listing\n-- \nNick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece\nHOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr\n Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis\n Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578\n',
"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.035941.14697@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:\n>\n>Heck, if IDE used DMA, then you'd hear all kinds of complaints about\n>ISA bus systems with more than 16M RAM not working with their IDE\n>drives. 16M is the DMA addressing limit of the ISA bus, and if IDE\n>did DMA there would be trouble.\n\nThere would be no problems as long as the OS didn't set up a DMA transfer\nto an area above the 16 mb area (the DMA controller probably can't be\nprogrammed that way anyways, so there probably isin't a problem with this)\n\nBesides, like I said before, the FDD controller uses DMA channel #2.\nAnd I don't yet believe that the HDD controllers (any of them, MFM, RLL,\netc) don't also use DMA.\n\n",
'From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer)\nSubject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase "loses" money\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: ACME Products\nLines: 70\n\nIn article <C5J8wI.IGK@panix.com>, eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:\n> In <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez:\n>>In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>>>\n>>>\tNo, I\'m saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large\n>>>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a)\n>>>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by\n>>>accumlated gains.\n>>\n>>To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains\n>>taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren\'t for there\n>>to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised.\n>> I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that\n>>more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort\n>>"trends".\n> \n> Even if Brett\'s eventual-return figures were correct -- and they\n> clearly weren\'t -- he\'d still be wrong about the cause for the \'86\n> blip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors:\n\n\tYou misunderstand. I\'m not trying to prove a *cause* for anything. \nMerely pointing out that Ted\'s assertion that the "blip" in revenues was\n"caused" by selling to avoid the tax can\'t be proven.\n\n> 1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find\n> oneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term\n> that require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a\n> few weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with\n> preferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former.\n\n\tNot disputed.\n\n> 2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of\n> what would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects\n> beside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to\n> unsophisticated investors in late 1986 to "sell now and save on\n> taxes." In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar\n> advice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice\n> was based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986),\n> but merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates\n> (without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal).\n\n\tIt works for any situation. If you believe the market is going up,\ndon\'t sell.\n\n\tIf believe it\'s not, sell. But then you\'d be selling anyways, wouldn\'t\nyou?\n\n\tSo where is the evidence that a large number of people suddenly decided\nthat the higher taxes meant they should sell before the year was out?\n\n\tThere isn\'t any.\n\n\tTed\'s saying that the increase over the previous year is "proof" of\nthat proposition, but I\'m saying you can\'t know that the trend of increasing\ncapital gains revenues wouldn\'t account for a lot of that increase.\n\t1986 was the height of the housing boom, remember. People were\n"trading up" like mad.\n\n> It\'s nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal\n> economic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless\n> pulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe\n> accurately what happens in the real world.\n\n\tIndeed.\n\nBrett\n________________________________________________________________________________\n\t"There\'s nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an\nintellectual conviction." Sean O\'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.\n',
'From: fineman@stein2.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes)\nSubject: Anyone know use "rayshade" out there?\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu\nKeywords: rayshade, uw.\n\nI\'m using "rayshade" on the u.w. computers here, and i\'d like input\nfrom other users, and perhaps swap some ideas. I could post\nuuencoded .gifs here, or .ray code, if anyone\'s interested. I\'m having\ntrouble coming up with colors that are metallic (i.e. brass, steel)\nfrom the RGB values.\n\nIf you\'re on the u.w. machines, check out "~fineman/rle.files/*.rle" on \nstein.u.washington.edu for some of what i\'ve got. \n\ndan\n\n\n',
'From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)\nSubject: Re: Observation re: helmets\nOrganization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil\n\nmaven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote:\n> \n> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock \n> it onto it\'s centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...\n\nGravity. It\'ll never let you down, er up, er...\n\nLesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the\nground, it isn\'t gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your\nhead, well...\n\n tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil\n \n "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,\ndifficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-\nboggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."\n --gene spafford, 1992\n',
"From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)\nwrites:\n>>I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be\n>>a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor.\n>\n>So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down\n>and the safety factor high?? \n\nIn the case of victimless crimes yes, I think so.\n\nThink about it. If I rob or beat up or rape or kill someone, it's very\nclear to anyone not a sociopath that I've done something immoral. On the\nother hand, if I smoke grass or have sex with a consenting adult in a\nmanner illegal in that state, the morality or immorality of that act is\nmerely a lifestyle choice; it doesn;t clearly hurt anyone else. IMO, if\nsuch an act doesn;t hurt another person it should not be interfered with.\n\n>Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower\n>the cost and definitely make them safer to use.\n\nI think so. And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol\nand coffee).\n\n don\n",
"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC?\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 10\n\nmirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) writes:\n\n>Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.\n>I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.\n>Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS\n>slot. Is that true?\n\n Don't believe the hype. There is no such thing as a PowerPC slot.\n\n-Hades\n",
"From: texdude@cs1.bradley.edu (Philip Allen)\nSubject: Ryan rumor...\nArticle-I.D.: cs1.texdude.734914692\nOrganization: Bradley University\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: cs1.bradley.edu\n\nThis just in...\n\nNolan Ryan hurt his right knee in the 4th inning of the Rangers-Orioles\ngame last night. He'll be having arthoscopic surgery that will, at best,\nkeep him on the DL for two to five weeks.\n\nJust when I had almost convinced myself that the Rangers' rotation would\nstay healthy this year...\n\n\nPhil Allen\ntexdude@cs1.bradley.edu\n",
'From: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole)\nSubject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: The Society for the Preservation of Cruelty to Homophobes.\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:\n\n>I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior\n>from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We\'re-\n>The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought \n>that Catholics behaved better than this.\n> Please do not stoop to the\n>level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think\n>that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,\n>insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.\n\n(Pleading mode on)\n\nPlease! I\'m begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop\nmaking generalizations! I\'m a Protestant! I\'m an evangelical! I don\'t\nbelieve that my way is the only way! I\'m not a "creation scientist"! I\ndon\'t think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! \n\nIf you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling\nout (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you\ncompared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern \nBaptists, you would think that they were different religions!\n\nPlease, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the\nsame, so please don\'t write off all Protestants or all evangelicals!\n\n(Pleading mode off.)\n\nGod.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......\n--\n\t"Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer\'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq\nnyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh\'er \nnyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."\n\t\t\t--Yvan Jregzhyyre\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research\n dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu\n',
'From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)\nSubject: Re: Atheist\'s views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")\nOrganization: University of Georgia - UCNS\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <Apr.19.05.13.48.1993.29266@athos.rutgers.edu>,\nkempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) wrote:\n> \n> Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: \n \n> Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence.\n> This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God\n> Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence,\n> it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always\n> existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence.\n> This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists,\n> and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence.\n> I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words.\n\nAlways existing and being the source of the existence of all other beings\nis not problematic.\n\nBut, as you put, Being the source of "all" existence, including one\'s own,\nwould mean that God came from nothing, a concept alien to Christianity and\nTheism. It is better to understand the classical concepts of Necessary and\nContingent existence. God exists necessarily, always. God created\ncontingent beings. This is a coherent solution to existence, so long as\nthe concept of God is coherent.\n \n> The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable\n> of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not\n> accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods.\n\nNot a very good answer. If reason cannot by any means understand something\nthen it is likely that "it" is a null concept, something not in reality.\n\nTed Kalivoda\n',
"From: peavler@fingal.plk.af.mil (Ninja Gourmet)\nSubject: Scarlet Horse of Babylon (was Daemons)\x1b\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fingal.plk.af.mil\nKeywords: dead horse, Horse of Babylon\n\nIn article <1qilgnINNrko@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.) writes:\n|> Its easy...\n|> 667 >is< the neighbor of the beast (at 666)-\n|> the beast lives at the end of a cul-de-sac.\n|> r.\n\nI noticed this dead horse in your Keywords line. Is this the famous scarlet horse\nof Babylon that the Beast (that's 666 for you illuminatti) rides on in those\nwonderful mediaeval manuscripts. If so, I fear your announcement that the old\ngirl is dead may be premature. I bet $20 on her to place in the 6th race at The\nDowns last Sunday, and she slid in a bad fifth. So she is not dead. She is just\ncomatose. (like god that way, I suppose).\n\nNinja Gourmet\nWill fight for food.\x1b \n\n-- \nJim Peavler\t\t\tMy opinions do not exist.\npeavler@plk.af.mil\t\tThat is why they are called\nAlbuquerque, NM\t\t\t\tMY opinions.\n",
'From: Grant@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (Lynn R Grant)\nSubject: Another key registration body bites the dust (IMHO)\nOrganization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway\nLines: 46\n\nOne of the candidates that has been suggested for a key registration\nbody is the ACLU. I think this is poor choice. The ACLU is\nessentially a group of auditors: they audit how people\'s civil\nliberties are administered. Traditionally, auditors do not like to get\ninvolved in the design or operational aspects of things, and with good\nreason.\n\nWhen I was a systems programmer, it always infuriated me that the\nauditors would come in and tell us our implementation stunk from a\nsecurity point of view, but wouldn\'t tell us how to fix it. I always\nfigured they just liked to critcize, without doing the work to help fix\nthe problem.\n\nThen I took a stint as an auditor, and I found out the real reason.\nAuditors don\'t like to recommend solutions, because it puts them in a\nbad position if they have to criticize the implementation later. The\nauditee can say, "Well, you told us this way would be OK." It\ncompromises the independence that is a necessary part of the auditor\'s\njob.\n\nTaking the case at hand, suppose ACLU becomes a key half registrar.\nSuppose that, perhaps through some error on ACLU\'s part, a key half gets\naway that shouldn\'t, and is used to deprive someone of her civil\nliberties. The ACLU gets wind of this, and wants to take it to court.\nBut they end up being at the same time on the side of the defendant\nand of the plaintiff, which is not an easy position to be in.\n\nThere are exceptions to the complete independence of auditors: at one\nplace where I worked, when payroll checks were printed, they were signed\nautomatically by a signature drum on the bursting machine. This drum\nwas kept by the auditors (who also kept the check stock), and\nwas brought down to Data Processing when it was time to do the checks.\n\nI believe the difference between this situation and the key registration\nsituation is that it is fairly obvious when it is time to do the payroll\nchecks: if they were done yesterday, and someone wants to do them again\ntoday, he better be able to produce yesterday\'s checks so that they can\nbe destroyed. Determining which of the many requests for key halves are\nlegit is a trickier process, one much more prone to mistakes that could\nput the ACLU in a protecting-the-client versus protecting-the-ACLU\nconflict of interest.\n\nAs always, my opinions are my own.\n\nLynn Grant\nGrant@Dockmaster.NCSC.MIL\n',
"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr21.212202.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nHere is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral\nexploration.\n\nBasically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth..\nYou think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality.\n\nThere is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so\nexpensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or\ntax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends \nof mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of\nthe mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there\nnormal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and\nother expenses you can owe more than what you made.\nBAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe\n600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And\nthe only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks.. \n\nBasically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go\ncause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the\neco-freaks or the protectionist.. \nSuch fun we have in these interesting times..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n",
'From: ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick)\nSubject: Re: Solar Sail Data\nKeywords: Solar Sail\nOrganization: Rutherford Appleton Lab, UK\nLines: 79\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes:\n>\n>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar\n> Sails\n\nI was at an interesting seminar at work (UK\'s R.A.L. Space Science\nDept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail\nproposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to\ngenerate interest in the project. I\'ll typein the handout he gave out at\nthe meeting. Here goes : \n\n\t\t\tThe Microlight Solar Sail\n\t\t\t-------------------------\n\n1. Introduction\nThe solar sail is a well-established concept. Harnessing the pressure of\nsunlight, a spacecraft would have unlimited range. In principle, such a\nvehicle could explore the whole Solar System with zero fuel consumption.\n\nHowever it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most\npeople realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per\nsquare kilometer. Deploying and controlling the large area of aluminized\nfabric which would be necessary to transport a \'conventional\' type\nspacecraft is a daunting task. This is why, despite the potential of hte\nidea, no such craft has actually been launched to date.\n\n2.Design\nRecent advances in microelectronics make possible a different concept: a\ntiny sail just a few metres in diameter which could be controlled purely\nbe electronics, with no mechanical parts. Several attitude control\nmethods are feasible: for example the pressure sunlight exerts on a\npanel of solar cells varies according to whether power is being drawn.\n\nThe key components of the craft will be a minute CCD camera developed at\nEdinburgh University which can act as both attitude sensor and data\ngathering device; solar cells providing ~1 watt power for control and\ncommunication; and a directional radio antenna etched onto the surface\nof the sail itself. Launched as a piggyback payload, the total cost of\nthe mission can be limited to a few tens of thousands of dollars.\n\n3.Missions\nThe craft would be capable of some ambitious missions. For example:\na) It could rendezvous with a nearby asteroid from the Apollo or Amor\ngroups. Closeup pictures could be transmitted back to Earth at a low bit\nrate.\nb) It could be steered into a lunar polar orbit. Previously unobserved\nareas around the lunar poles could be viewed. By angling the sail to\nreflect sunlight downwards, polar craters whose bases never receive\nsunlight could be imaged. Bright reflections would confirm that\nvolatiles such as water ice have become trapped in these\nlocations.[Immensely valuable information for setting up a manned lunar\nbase, BTW]\nc) It could be sent to rendezvous with a small asteroid or comet\nnucleus. Impacting at low speed, a thin wire probe attached to the craft\ncauses it to rebound while capturing a tiny sample is a sharp-edged\ntube, like performing a biopsy. Returning to Earth, the sail acts as an\nideal re-entry parachute: load per unit area 20 gm/m2 ensures that heat\nis reradiated so efectively that the sail temperature cannot exceed ~300\ndeg C. The material sample is recovered, enclosed in a small insulating\ncontainer.\n\nContact: Colin Jack Tel. 0865-200447\nOxford Mathematical Designs, 131 High Street, Oxford OX1 4DH, England\n\n--------------------------------\n\nThis guy would love to hear from anyone interested in this project or\nseeking details or anything, and would be most happy to send you more\ninformation.\n\n\tAndy\n\n\n\n-- \n ----------------------------------- \nAndy Jonathan J. Broderick, | "I have come that they might have |\nRutherford Lab., UK | life, and have it to the full" |\nMail : ajjb@adam2.bnsc.rl.ac.uk | - Jesus Christ |\n',
'From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser)\nSubject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...")\nOrganization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.\nLines: 14\n\n[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used\nthe phrase "God-shaped hole". --clh]\n\n"There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us" (or something to that effect) is\ngenerally attributed to Blaise Pascal.\nWhat I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if\nGod is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)?\n\n=========================================================================\n|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk ||\n|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow.\t\t\t ||\n|| Standard disclaimers... ||\n\n[Don\'t you think you\'re being a tad too literal with this metaphor? --clh]\n',
'From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits)\nSubject: Satan and MTV\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 25\n\nSomewhere, someone told me that Satan was the angel in charge of\nmusic in heaven, and on top of that, he was the most beautiful\nof the angels. Isn\'t it funny that these days how MTV has become\nthe "bible" of music and beauty these days. MTV controls what bands\nare popular, no matter how bad they are. In fact, it is better to\nbe politically correct - like U2, Madonna - than to have any\nmusical talent. Then of course, you have this television station\nthat tells us all how to dress. Think about it, who started the\nretro-fashion craze?? MTV and Madonna. Gag.\n\nAnyway, just food for thought. It is really my own wierd theory.\n\nIf Revelation was to come true today, I think MTV would the "ever\nchanging waters" (music and fashion world) that the beast would\narise from, and Madonna will be the whore of Babylon, riding the\nbeast and drinking the blood of the martyrs.\n\nHmmmm....great idea for a book/movie.....\n\n\n--\nSteven C. Salaris We\'re...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew\nsalaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because\n\t\t\t\t we have ideas. We have a philosophy.\n\t\t\t\t\t Geoff Tate -- Queensryche\n',
'From: abdkw@stdvax (David Ward)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 \nOrganization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <20APR199321040621@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes...\n>In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes...\n>>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For\n>>example, Why couldn\'t Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"\n>>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if\n>>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy\n>>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. \n> \n>It can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one.\n\nAlso remember that every dollar spent keeping one spacecraft in safe mode\n(probably a spin-stabilized sun-pointing orientation) is a dollar not\nspent on mission analysis for a newer spacecraft. In order to turn the\nspacecraft back on, you either need to insure that the Ops guys will be\navailable, or you need to retrain a new team.\n\nHaving said that, there are some spacecraft that do what you have proposed.\nMany of the operational satellites Goddard flies (like the Tiros NOAA \nseries) require more than one satellite in orbit for an operational set.\nExtras which get replaced on-orbit are powered into a "standby" mode for\nuse in an emergency. In that case, however, the same ops team is still\nrequired to fly the operational birds; so the standby maintenance is\nrelatively cheap.\n\nFinally, Pat\'s explanation (some spacecraft require continuous maintenance\nto stay under control) is also right on the mark. I suggested a spin-\nstabilized control mode because it would require little power or \nmaintenance, but it still might require some momentum dumping from time\nto time.\n\nIn the end, it *is* a political decision (since the difference is money),\nbut there is some technical rationale behind the decision.\n\nDavid W. @ GSFC \n',
'From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Easter: what\'s in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard?\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 31\n\n(MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED\nSUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.)\n\nI think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning. Regardless of\nhow the word \'Easter\' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now*\nmean anything to Christians other than \'the feast day of the Resurrection\nof Jesus Christ\'. \n\nThe meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean.\n\nAnd the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival of Easter\nmay possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival,\nbut *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to\nhonor any kind of "pagan goddess" by celebrating Easter.\n\nIt is nonsense to say "this word (or this practice) \'really\' means so-\nand-so even though nobody realizes it." Words and practices don\'t mean\nthings, people do. \n\n(This is basic semantics; I\'m a linguist; they pay me to think about\nthings like this.)\n-- \n:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****\n:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********\n:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *\n:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><\n\n[Further, Easter is specific to English. In many other languages,\nthe word used is based on Passover or resurrection. Is it OK to\ncelebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those\nusing English? --clh]\n',
"From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL\nSubject: Licensing...\nOrganization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway\nLines: 24\n\n\n>This actually supports Bill's speculation - IF there is a backdoor in\n>RSAREF and IF PKP is supported secretly by the NSA, then it is more\n>than natural that they will welcome ANY public-key implementation that\n>uses RSAREF and will strongly oppose themselves against ANY\n>implementation that doesn't.\n\nMy speculation does not include or depend upon a trapdoor in RSAREF. I\ndo not believe that RSA would consent to such. \n\nHowever, there are other limitation in the concept of RSAREF in which\nNSA has an interest. It has an interest in a limited number of\nimplementations, i.e., targets. It has an interest in fixed key or\nmaximum modulus size. \n\nIt has a legitimate (literally) right to pursue such interests. Within\nbounds, it probably has a right to pursue those interests by covert\nmeans. At least it has the same right as the rest of us not to disclose\nall of its motives and intentions. (Institutions are not self-aware;\nthey do not know their intentions in any meaningful sense.)\n\nWilliam Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security\n49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840 \n1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL\n",
'From: Kurt Godden <godden@gmr.com>\nSubject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car\nOrganization: GM R&D\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ksg.cs.gmr.com\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F46B03C301085E@ksg.cs.gmr.com>\nX-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:54:11 GMT\n\nThis appeared today in the \n\nThe Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car\nin the US for sale in Japan. Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate\nCommunications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith\nhad a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota. \nthis meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM\nexports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed\nvehicle sales,\nparts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an\narrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive\nvehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan. A working group has been\nformed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details.\n',
"From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare)\nSubject: Re: Oily skin - problem?\nReply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes:\n>\tI have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes\n>oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How\n>can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out\n>there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become\n>oily in such a short time.\n\nI don't think that's a problem. My face is quite oily too. I had a moderate\nacne problem for many years. I then found that if I vigorously scrub my face\nwith a nail brush and soap (Irish Spring) twice a day the acne was not a \nproblem. I can still leave a pretty health nose print on a mirror after 45 min\n(don't ask ;->) but acne is not a real problem anymore. \n\n [J.F.]\n\n",
'From: allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim)\nSubject: Re: Ban All Firearms !\nOrganization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.\nLines: 34\n\n\njrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:\n\n Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. It would not\n be economic to smuggle them in. All production would have to be\n local. There are not all that many people who have both the skill\n AND motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch.\n High-ranking crime figures could obtain imported Uzis and such, but\n the average person, and average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun\n - and would pay through the nose for it.\n\nGood point you make. However, a zip gun, by definition, is a crude,\nhomemade gun--certainly not something capable of sustained, accurate\nfire, but it would be useful as a means of getting a normal gun. Recall\nthe tiny, single-shot pistols made by the Allies during World War II for\nuse by partisans. They were essentially well-made zipguns, incapable of\neffective fire beyond a few feet. But they were useful as a means of\nkilling German soldiers for their guns.\n\nAlso note that the crowd-pleasin\' favorite, the Sten gun, was\nspecifically designed to require as little machine work as possible.\nThe point\'s been made here that one could make a Sten clone with steel\ntubing, hand tools and a welder.\n\nI still think that while the point is good, I think there\'s a difference\nbetween marijuana and firearms, in that quality marijuana can be grown\nlocally; there\'s no need to import the stuff. If guns are banned, I\nthink the demand for "real" guns will be sufficient to make smuggling\neconomically feasible, thus rendering a ban moot. In any case, the\nresult would be the same--people who aren\'t criminals won\'t have\nfirearms, and "bad guys" will continue to have access to them, one way\nor another. And I don\'t see that as a necessary situation.\n-- \nAllan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813\n',
'From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)\nSubject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II)\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 147\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.001116.19872@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...\n>The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees.\n> \n>Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n>why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\nThen why do we really need national health insurance then? Wouldn\'t it just make\nmore sense to find some way to cut down on the cost of malpractice insurance?\n\nAnd maybe that\'s not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that it is next to\nimpossible in Canada to litigate against the health system-class action suits\nare nearly impossible, and you can\'t sue the provincial health officials at all.\n\n> \n>Part of the deal for using the all-insurance approach like the French\n>and Germans do (hey, why don\'t they criticize France and Germany? Is\n>it because too many people take French and German in college to make\n>the accusations stick? (-;) was to preserve the doctors independance.\n>Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when\n>the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors\n>were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength\n>rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized\n>medicine approaches like Britain\'s National Health Service.\n\nOh no. Don\'t let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it is. Ask\nmost Americans whether they\'d like the doctors\' lobby to get more powerful.\n\n>For non-life threatening things, market arguments adequately cover why\n>certain procedures are in scarcer demand. I have MD friends who can\'t\n>make a living as specialists back in Manitoba not due to the insurance\n>rates but because they won\'t get enough customers -- the CMA medical\n>monopoly\'s grip on doctors licencing (as in the US) aside -- so they\n>must move to larger places. However, this does not refute debunking\n>of waiting lines for urgent AND routine care, as has been done in the\n>U.S. by Consumers Reports, health policy studies cited by Prof. Dennis\n>E. Shea on USENET, CNN, NYT, etc.\n\nWell, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside Ottawa.\nTheoretically it\'s limited to service personnel, but some studies I\'ve heard\nabout have suggested that about half the patients there are civilians who not\nonly have connections but aren\'t "urgent" at all.\n\nThe problem is, in a system where hospitals\' annual budgets are approved by the\ngovernment, how do you keep political considerations out of medical decisions?\nI bet that if you\'re an MP or MPP, or good friends with one, you\'re put on any\nhospital\'s "urgent" care list no matter how minor your problem. Which is OK \nunless you\'re someone who gets bumped off the list for some bigshot.\n\n>>WOULDN\'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW \n>>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? \n>>\n>>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental \n>>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private \n>>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private \n>>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 \n>>a month. \n\nHmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage of GNP spent\non health care if dentistry and optometry were included in the accounting? \nMaybe Canada spends proportionately just as much on health care as we do.\n\n> \n>Of course, the one thing to note is that in the Canada/France/Germany\n>case, private insurance *offloaded* the basic coverage to the public\n>sector. They realized they were keeping low-risk/high-profit extra\n>insurance for things like private/semi-private rooms (vs. ward\n>accomodation), dental, glasses, etc. for corporate or personal\n>benefits, they\'ll have nothing to do with you if you want to be\n>covered for basic care.\n> \n>At that point, they wouldn\'t even consider a "voucher" approach\n>to broker the universal coverage and sell policies to make up\n>the difference in the federal guidelines and market stuff.\n\nSo what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. Bob Rae, the\nsecond least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a few years ago that if\nthey didn\'t stop cross-border shopping in such huge numbers, "the services they\nexpect from the province just won\'t be there in a few years" (Fortunately for\nthem (and less fortunately for the retailers here in Western New York) the \nCanadian dollar went back to a more realistic value). He didn\'t say so, but I\nknew he meant the OHIP. What would happen if his warning turned out to be the \ntruth? Would the private insurers take up the slack? They\'d be under no \nobligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, but if what\nyou say is true, they\'d be loathe to do so (and out of practice in handling \nsuch basic services, too).\n\n> \n>>****************************************************************** \n>>\n>>WOULDN\'T FREE CARE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN TO THE DOCTOR FOR EVERY \n>>ACHE AND PAIN? \n>>\n>>People who get free treatment *do* go to the doctor and hospital about \n>>a third more often than those who have to pay a share of their medical \n>>bills. \n>>\n>>Still, Canadians -- who pay nothing at the doctor\'s -- have a lower \n>>per-person health bill than we do.\n> \n>It is "free" in that there are no deductibles nor copayments (two\n>things which I advocate to make the Canadian insurance look more like\n>real health insurance -- which actually it is). I know that when\n>working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying\n>for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed on my\n>pay stub; Manitoba did not collect at paycheque time, but only\n>annually at income tax time (built into the tax rate). Only fiscal\n>naifs will proclaim that it\'s free, along with the Canadian Left for\n>that is part of their brainwashing agenda.\n\nWould that it were free. Americans would start another revolution if they had\nto pay taxes at Canadian rates.\n\n>>ISN\'T THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY JUST TOO BIG \n>>AND POWERFUL TO KILL? \n>>\n>>Dismantling the health segment of our insurance industry would be \n>>"politically thorny," in the quiet words of one advocate for a \n>>national plan. Some 1,200 firms now sell more than $192 billion in \n>>health insurance. They\'d put up a hard fight. Not only has the industry \n>>grown eightfold since Canada shut down its own health insurers, but \n>>our government leaves politicians more open to lobbyists than does \n>>Canada\'s parliamentary system.\n> \n>Health insurance does exist in Canada and in Western Europe, its\n>just that it doesn\'t cover basic care. You can opt out in Canada\n>and Germany, but you\'ll have to go uninsured as a result because\n>there are too few other people that do so --- i.e., no market.\n> \n>When private insurance realized how much money they\'d make without the\n>risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe\n>amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on\n>the fritz in someone\'s private hospital room), they started to pat\n>themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec\n>last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against\n>any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province\'s\n>public health insurance plan.\n\nAgain, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that much\npower. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn\'t go along with the\nprovinces and the federal government years ago because they knew that there was\na good chance of the public system going bust in the long run, and then \nafterwards they could clean up (Okay, this sort of contradicts what I said\nhigher up. But it\'s another possibility). They\'d have an added bonus when \narguing against government involvement in their industry-as they could then \npoint to its failure instead of just citing theoretical principles.\n',
"From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic)\nSubject: Re: how do you like the Apple Color OneScanner?\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1pt46r$li6\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7E78C567302F839@b63545.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:36:54 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.203903.12192@midway.uchicago.edu> JohnC,\njcav@ellis.uchicago.edu writes:\n>We're all set to buy one of these for the office, to use for scanning in\n>color photographs and for optical character recognition. We've played\nwith\n>the original grayscale OneScanner and were very pleased. Is the color\nmodel\n>comparable in quality?\n>\n>Also, what brand of OCR software would you recommend? We're leaning\ntoward\n>Caere OmniPage. Any better ideas? Thanks.\n\nI work in a campus bookstore and we had the opportunity to demo the Color\nOne\nScanner. I found it to be very impressive as well as affordable (with the\n educational discount of course!). Note also that it comes with Ofoto\nsoftware\nwhich is sufficient for our needs.\n",
'From: anasaz!karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik)\nSubject: Re: Is "Christian" a dirty word?\nOrganization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA\nLines: 73\n\nIn article <Mar.25.03.53.08.1993.24855@athos.rutgers.edu> @usceast.cs.scarolina.edu:moss@cs.scarolina.edu (James Moss) writes:\n>I was brought up christian, but I am not christian any longer.\n>I also have a bad taste in my mouth over christianity. I (in\n>my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the\n>teachings of christ, but I cannot let myself be called a christian,\n>beacuse to me too many things are done on the name of christianity,\n>that I can not be associated with. \n\nA question for you - can you give me the name of an organization or a\nphilosophy or a political movement, etc., which has never had anything\nevil done in its name? You\'re missing a central teaching of Christianity -\nman is inherently sinful. We are saved through faith by grace. Knowing\nthat, believing that, does not make us without sin. Furthermore, not all\nwho consider themselves "christians" are (even those who manage to head\ntheir own "churches"). "Not everyone who says to me, \'Lord, Lord,\' will\nenter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who\nis in heaven." - Matt. 7:21.\n\n>I also have a problem with the inconsistancies in the Bible, and\n>how it seems to me that too many people have edited the original\n>documents to fit their own world views, thereby leaving the Bible\n>an unbelievable source.\n\nAgain, what historical documents do you trust? Do you think Hannibal\ncrossed the Alps? How do you know? How do you know for sure? What\nhistorical documents have stood the scrutiny and the attempts to dis-\ncredit it as well as the Bible has?\n\n>I don\'t have dislike of christians (except for a few who won\'t\n>quit witnessing to me, no matter how many times I tell them to stop), \n>but the christian faith/organized religion will never (as far as i can \n>see at the moment) get my support.\n\nWell, it\'s really a shame you feel this way. No one can browbeat you\ninto believing, and those who try will probably only succeed in driving\nyou further away. You need to ask yourself some difficult questions:\n1) is there an afterlife, and if so, does man require salvation to attain\nit. If the answer is yes, the next question is 2) how does man attain this\nsalvation - can he do it on his own as the eastern religions and certain\nmodern offshoots like the "new age movement" teach or does he require God\'s\nhelp? 3) If the latter, in what form does - indeed, in what form can such\nhelp come? Needless to say, this discussion could take a lifetime, and for\nsome people it did comprise their life\'s writings, so I am hardly in a\nposition to offer the answers here - merely pointers to what to ask. Few,\nof us manage to have an unshaken faith our entire lives (certainly not me).\nThe spritual life is a difficult journey (if you\'ve never read "A Pilgrim\'s\nProgress," I highly recommend this greatest allegory of the english language).\n\n>Peace and Love\n>In God(ess)\'s name\n>James Moss\n\nNow I see by your close that one possible source of trouble for you may be a\nconflict between your politcal beliefs and your religious upbringing. You\nwrote that "I (in my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most\nof the teachings of christ". Well, Christ referred to God as "My Father",\nnot "My Mother", and while the "maleness" of God is not the same as the\nmaleness of those of us humans who possess a Y chromosome, it does not\nhonor God to refer to Him as female purely to be trendy, non-discriminatory,\nor politically correct. This in no way disparages women (nor is it my intent\nto do so by my use of the male pronoun to refer to both men and women - \nenglish just does not have a decent neuter set of pronouns). After all, God\nchose a woman as his only human partner in bringing Christ into the human\npopulation.\n\nWell, I\'m not about to launch into a detailed discussion of\nthe role of women in Christianity at 1am with only 6 hours of sleep in the\nlast 63, and for that reason I also apologize for any shortcomings in this\narticle. I just happened across yours and felt moved to reply. I hope I\nmay have given you, and anyone else who finds himself in a similar frame of\nmind, something to contemplate.\n\nKarl Dussik\n',
'From: roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber)\nSubject: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it?\nReply-To: roeber@cern.ch\nOrganization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research\nLines: 24\n\nI\'m writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The\nhardware is "truecolor" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit\nstatic color visual. I would really like to have the server just\npresent this static visual, but I\'m not sure if this will be \nacceptable to "most" X clients. The three problems I see are:\n\n 1) The colormap, though huge, is static.\n 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide.\n 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the\n translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error.\n\nBeing more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these\nlimitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff\nfloating around blithely accept what they\'re given? I could write\nthe server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, \nbut I\'d rather avoid this if not necessary.\n\nI know there are no absolutes, but I\'d appreciate hearing people\'s\nopinions and suggestions. Thanks!\n\n-- \nFrederick G. M. Roeber | CERN -- European Center for Nuclear Research\ne-mail: roeber@cern.ch or roeber@caltech.edu | work: +41 22 767 31 80\nr-mail: CERN/PPE, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland | home: +33 50 20 82 99\n',
"From: Donald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu>\nSubject: Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce\nOrganization: UM Anesthesiology\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9\nX-XXDate: Fri, 23 Apr 93 14:56:04 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff,\ntron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes:\n>Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an\n>authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that\n>is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki?\n\nI'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of\nthe major ingredients. :-)\n\nDon Mackie - his opinions\nUM Anesthesiology will disavow\n",
'From: rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe)\nSubject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy\nLines: 56\n\nIn <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu>\njemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes:\n\n>I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my\n>wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few\n>years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It\'s\n>driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is\n>that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how \n>to do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we \n>present to God. But the best Masses I\'ve been to were participatory prayers.\n\n[ . . . ]\n\nHaving lived through the kicking and screaming in the 60s and 70s as the\nCatholics were invited to participate in the liturgy instead of counting\ntheir rosary beads during Mass, I find this comment interesting. There\nis a _massively_ longer tradition for proclaiming the Passion accounts\nwithout active participation. If you know the Latin, one really\nbeautiful way to hear the Passion is it\'s being chanted by three\ndeacons: the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants\nin the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor.\nThis is actually the basis for the common proclamation of the Passion\nthat John would prefer.\n\nBut there is always a judgement call based on pastoral considerations.\nEach pastor makes his own decisions (it isn\'t a church-wide conspiracy\nagainst participation). The Palm Sunday liturgy, with its initial\nblessing and distribution of the palms and procession, is already\ngetting long before you get to the Passion; some pastors feel that they\nshould not make the people stand through that long narrative. Also, the\norchestrated proclamation with multiple readers and public participation\nin the crowd quotations runs longer than the single-reader proclamation\n--- in churches with multiple Masses for the Sunday, it might be\nnecessary to go with the briefer options just to "get \'em in and get \'em\nout".\n\nEach parish is different. Catholics are no longer canonically tied to\ntheir geographic parishes. It is possible that another Catholic parish\nin the Columbus area (based on the Ohio State address) has a liturgy\ncloser to your preferences. Or talk to some of your fellow\nparishioners and see how common your preferences are --- pastors\ngenerally ARE willing to listen to non-confrontational requests. Though\nyou probably should bring along a paramedic in case he reacts too strongly\nto the shock of people asked for a _longer_ Sunday Mass.\n\nPerhaps the problem is that recent liturgical development hasn\'t follow\nthe continuous evolution model (the accumulation of small changes, no\nsingle one of which is too hard to take) but rather the punctuated\nequilibrium model (things stay the same and we get accustomed to them,\nthen the marked mutation hits). {My apologies if I am mis-remembering\nthe names of the evolutionary theories.}\n-- \n --- Tim Rolfe\n rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu\n rolfe@junior.dsu.edu\n RolfeT@columbia.dsu.edu\n',
'From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)\nSubject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership\nOrganization: National Institute of Standards & Technology\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com> jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:\n>>\n>>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning\n>>will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I\n>>agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged\n>>do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying\n>>a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what?\n>\n>\n>A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than\n>them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner,\n>and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the\n>cleaner yourself for $1.29.\n\nPersonally, i wouldn\'t use the $1.29 product from KMart. I knew about\nthis previously, but this past weekend on PBS\'s MotorWeek Pat Goss \n(their resident tech type) discussed these products, and recommends\nnot using them (i.e, the non-isopropyl alcohlo based injector cleaners).\n\nSupposedly only the isopropyl based cleaners actually remove moisture\nfrom your fuel tank as they clean your injectors. And although the \nothers (ethyl based) do clean injectors they also cause rubber \ncomponents in the fuel system to deteriorate, and they don\'t mix well\nwith water to help remove it from the fuel system.\n\nI use a product recommended by VW called 44K (by BG Products, Inc.).\nIt cost more about $14.00, but it is supposed to do the job without\nthe potential harmful side effects, and its results are supposed to \nlast from 2k to 4k miles. I have also used Chevron\'s Techtrolene (sp?).\n\nI can\'t say that i have noticed any difference using either, since i \nonly use these product as a preventative maintenance item.\n\n> \n>Just because you dealer sez you need it, don\'t mean it\'s necessarily so.\n>Be suspicious.\n> \n>jim grey\n>jwg@acd4.acd.com\n\n . \n / \nLarry __/ _______/_ \nkeys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \\ \n _____ __ _____ \\------- ===\n ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \\\n / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ |\n | / \\/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \\ / \n /___ \\_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO\n \\ / \\ / \n - 1990 2.0 16v -\n\n\n ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- \n The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates\n that you probably wouldn\'t understand anyway!\n ------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 29\n\n[reply to aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)]\n \n>Medicine is not a totally scientific endevour.\n \nThe acquisition of scientific knowledge is completely scientific. The\napplication of that knowledge in individual cases may be more art than\nscience.\n \n>There are diseases that haven\'t been described yet and the root cause\n>of many diseases now described aren\'t known. (Read a book on\n>gastroenterology sometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After\n>scientific methods have run out then it\'s the patient\'s freedom of\n>choice to try any experimental method they choose. And it\'s well\n>recognized by many doctors that medicine doesn\'t have all the answers.\n \nCertainly we don\'t have all the answers. The question is, what is the\nmost reliable means of acquiring further medical knowledge? The\nscientific method has proven itself to be reliable. The *only* reason\nalternative therapies are shunned by physicians is that their\npractitioners refuse to submit their theories to rigorous scientific\nscrutiny, insisting that "tradition" or anecdotal evidence are\nsufficient. These have been shown many times in the past to be very\nunreliable ways of acquiring reliable knowledge. Crook\'s ideas have\nnever been backed up by scientific evidence. His unwillingness to do\ngood science makes the rest of us doubt the veracity of his contentions.\n \nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI\nThis is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher\nmust learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell\n',
'From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu\nSubject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?!\nOrganization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.033843.26854@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:\n> There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from\n> wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and\n> is called "grfwk61t.zip." This program should od everthing\n> you need.\n> \n> -- \n> \n> TMC\n> (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)\n\n\nTHANKS! It did work, and it is just what I needed thanks...\n\nJoshuaf\n',
"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Let's build software cryptophones for over the internet...\nLines: 27\n\nI forwarded an old posting about CELP speech compression:\n\n\tIn case you'd like to experiment with CELP, you can obtain a software\n\timplementation of the 4800 bps Fed Std CELP coder for free:\n\n\tThe U.S. DoD's Federal-Standard-1016 based 4800 bps code excited linear\n\tprediction voice coder version 3.2 (CELP 3.2) Fortran and C simulation source\n\tcodes are now available for worldwide distribution at no charge (on DOS\n\tdiskettes, but configured to compile on Sun SPARC stations) from:\n\nI've since been told that the source of this is on cygnus.com\nin /pub/celp.speech.tar.Z\n\nI'm not in a position to; any Sun tcp/ip gurus out there who think they\ncan marry this with netfone by the end of the week? ;-) Seriously. I\nthink someone with real net access and two sparcs could have this running\nby the end of the week. Then we ask the pgp guys to add a bytestream\ncrypto filter. Two weeks at the most. [Damn, I wish I had my sparc\nback... I'm stuck on a 25mhz 386sx]\n\n\nShare and Enjoy!\n\nG\nPS You'll have to use archie to find netfone - I have a copy but no note\nof where it's from; author in the docs is kelvin@autodesk.com and he\nappears to be located in France\n",
'From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nArticle-I.D.: pdxgate.7272\nOrganization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> mcmains@unt.edu (Sean McMains) writes:\n>\n>Wow! A 68070! I\'d be very interested to get my hands on one of these,\n>especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the\n>68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D\n\nA 68070 is just a 68010 with a built in MMU. I don\'t even think that Moto.\nmanufactures them.\n\n - Ian Romanick\n Dancing Fool of Epsilon\n\n[]--------------------------------------------------------------------[]\n | Were the contained thoughts \'opinions\', EPN.NTSC.quality = Best|\n | PSU would probably not agree with them. |\n | |\n | "Look, I don\'t know anything about |\n | douche, but I do know Anti-Freeze |\n | when I see it!" - The Dead Milkmen |\n[]--------------------------------------------------------------------[]\n',
'From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)\nNntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au\nOrganization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia\nLines: 47\n\nlreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) writes:\n\n>My Duo 230 crashe.\n\n>I close the lid. It goesto sleeplikenormal. Then I open it press a key.\n>The screen showsthis wied pattern. You can berely make outthe menubar on top., although there are no words on the bar. Anditfrezzes. Why?\n\n>---Lowell\n>--\n>***********************************************************************\n>* Lowell Reiter\t\t\t "I need a Vacation... Now!!! " *\n>* Tufts University *\n>* Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu *\n>***********************************************************************\n\nI have the same problem and was about to post this....\n\nHello duo owners (and Apple technical people :-)\n \nI have a new duo 230 which appears to have a problem waking up from\nsleep when running on battery power. When woken (usually for the second\ntime) after sleeping, the wake fails and the screen appears with a\ncorrupted image of broken horizontal lines and control can only be\nrecovered with control-command-poweron or the reset key at the back of\nthe machine. The problem occurs even when the system is stock standard\n(no extensions, no virtual memory, a fully charged new battery, system 7.1\netc). I have not had the problem when the machine is plugged in to AC.\nI\'ve checked that the battery is properly seated (it appears to be fine).\n \nWhat\'s going on here ? Anyone else had this problem ? Is it software or\nhardware ? \n \nIf you have a duo 230 and a bit of time, try repeatedly sleeping and\nwaking the machine on battery power and let me know if you see the same\nbehaviour (and let Apple know too !).\n \nMany thanks to anyone who can clear this one up for me.\n \nBruce\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au\n***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers***\n',
'From: wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner)\nSubject: Trivia Question!!\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: WINCO\nLines: 19\n\nOk all you trivia buffs, I have a good one for you.\n\n1. Prior to the foul bunt rule what is the record for the most foul balls\nby 1 batter during one at bat?\n\n2. Total pitches?\n\n3. Who was the batter?\n\n4. Who was the pitcher?\n\n5. Same as 1-4 except after the foul bunt rule.\n\nAssociated data would be nice too (such as date, location, teams, etc.)\n\nBill\nwrl@pmafire.inel.gov\n\n\n',
'From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)\nSubject: When does Fred McGriff of the Padres become a free agent?\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 1\n\n\n',
'From: arana@labein.ES (Jose Luis Arana)\nSubject: X Graphics Accelerators\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nHow can I obtain public information (documentation and sources)\nabout Xservers implemented with graphics processors?\n\nI am specially interested in Xservers developed for the TMS34020\nTexas Instruments graphic processor.\n\n Please send answer to arana@labein.es\n',
'From: etxmow@garbo.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)\nSubject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............\nNntp-Posting-Host: garboc29.ericsson.se\nOrganization: Ericsson\nLines: 15\n\n\n Isn\'t there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving\n a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered\n into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I\'m sure\n I\'ve read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a\n painless and effective treatment.\n A couple of weeks ago I visited a hospital here in Stockholm and\n saw big signs showing the way to the "Kidney stone chrusher" ...\n\n\n\n Mats Winberg\n Stockholm, Sweden\n\n\t \n',
'From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat)\nSubject: Re: "Proper gun control?" What is proper gun control?\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 34\n\n\n|in L.A., the first recorded survivor of a .357 shot to the heart. That\n|lady not only killed her attacker, but chased him down to do it! All\n|four of her shots, fired after SHE had been shot, struck the perp. Atta\n|girl! The bullet entered her on a downward angle, went through the apex\n|of her heart, down through the diaphragm, clipped her liver and\n|destroyed her spleen. It then exited her back leaving a tennis ball\n|sized hole. She died about six times on the operating table, but was\n|out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight\n|months! She was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest. She was\n|on her way home so happened to have her gun. No, she doesn\'t think\n|civilians should have the same rights. Sigh.\n\nWell, if police think they are so special that only _THEY_ are worthy\nof self-defense, perhaps we start putting the arm on police; maybe\nwe should start demanding that police are only police when ON-DUTY,\nthat after that they are just like the ordinary disarmed helpless\nchumps they consider "civilians."\n\nLet\'s prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make\nthe assertion that "Well, I need to maintain my gun" let\'s make it\nregulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it\'s\nonly fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home\nfrom his computer operator job...\n\nNRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT\nmagazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between\nRKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of \'What\nif what\'s left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament\nof the police?"\n\nWell, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed,\nalong with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made\nto realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine.\n',
'From: MNHCC@cunyvm.bitnet (Marty Helgesen)\nSubject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary\nOrganization: City University of New York\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <May.3.05.01.53.1993.9964@athos.rutgers.edu>, a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz\nFaris) says:\n>A.Faris\n<<Posting deleted. The moderator replies:\n>[I think you\'re talking about the "assumption of the Blessed Virgin\n>Mary". It says that "The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin\n>Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed\n>body and soul into heavenly glory." This was defined by a Papal\n>statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some\n>before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a\n>Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical\n>support. Note that Catholics do not believe in "sola scriptura".\n>That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of\n>Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little\n>Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe\n>that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also\n>that it can be revealed to the Church. I\'m not interested in yet\n>another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us\n>the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh]\n\nThat is generally accuate, but contains one serious error. We Catholics\ndo believe that God\'s revealed truth that is not explicitly recorded in\nthe Bible can be and is passed on through the Tradition of the Church.\nIt should be noted that the Tradition of the Church, otherwise known as\nSacred Tradition, is not the same as ordinary human traditions.\nHowever, we do not believe that additional truth will be revealed to\nthe Church. Public revelation, which is the basis of Catholic doctrine,\nended with the death of St. John, the last Apostle. Nothing new can\nbe added. Theologians study this revelation and can draw out implications\nthat were not recognized previously, so that the Council of Nicea could\ndefine statements about the theology of the Trinity and the Incarnation\nthat were not explicitly stated in the Bible and had been disputed\nbefore the council, but there was no new revelation at Nicea or at\nany subsequent council.\n\nCardinal Newman\'s _An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine_,\nwritten while he was still an Anglican, is an excellent discussion of\nof this point. It was recently reprinted as a Doubleday Image Books\npaperback with some related shorter works under the title _Conscience,\nConsensus, and the Development of Doctrine_.\n-------\nMarty Helgesen\nBitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu\n\n"What if there were no such thing as a hypothetical situation?"\n',
'From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....")\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 1\n\nJust kidding\n',
'From: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman)\nSubject: Re: 17" Monitors\nReply-To: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com\nOrganization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research\nLines: 11\n\nHas anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz.\nHow does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display?\n\n\n|-----| Living on Tulsa time..... \n | \n | Rusty Foreman - - - - - - - - rforeman@trc.amoco.com\n | Amoco Production Research {...uunet}!apctrc!zrdf01\n | P.O. Box 3385 phone: (918) 660-3488\n | Tulsa, OK 74102 fax: 918-660-4163\n\n',
"Subject: insurance question\nFrom: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>\nOrganization: Brigham Young University\nLines: 18\n\nI'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it. Since I paid\ncash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about\nwhether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because\nof a bank loan. I just put the amount that I wanted (not what\na bank would have wanted). Friends are telling me that banks\nrequire some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it\nis collateral on loans. Is this true? Can that insurance be\ngotten as part of my other insurance? I assume I don't have to\npay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance.\nAm I correct? I hear about accident/health type insurance at\nthe dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers\nfor them. I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy\nthese at all. Or any other types of extras.\n\nWhat do I have to pay for? Car, tax, license. Anything else?\n\nEllen\n\n",
'From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)\nSubject: Re: Squaw lift tickets available for $32 each\nReply-To: broder@src.dec.com\nOrganization: DEC Systems Research Center\nDistribution: ba\nLines: 9\n\nTickets midweek are now down to $34. They will be $25 starting last\nweek in April, or maybe first week in May. By the way, the current\nconditions (was there Apr 12-13) are great for spring skiing, with\nexcellent coverage, most stuff open, and no lift lines.\n\n- Andrei\n\n\n\n',
"From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)\nSubject: Re: Bikes And Contacts\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 5\n\nThe best thing to do is to get a full face, even if it is a\ncheap brain bucket. I didn't think a full face was important\nuntil I took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding 20 feet on my\nface. Plus with the visor down, you also have no worries about\nyour contacts.\n",
'From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Re: My Predictions For 1993\nArticle-I.D.: netnews.118466\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.183304.29191@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes:\n>Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I\'ve\n>decided to add my own fuel to the fire:\n>They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises.\n\n>AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter\n\nWhat makes you think Buck will still be in New York at year\'s end with\nGeorge back? :-)\n\n--\n Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET\'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n"Next time you go over my head, I\'ll have yours on a platter."\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993\n',
"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral\n>exploration.\n>\n>Basically get the eco-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.\n\nThey aren't going to leave a loophole as glaring as space mining. Quite a\nfew of those people are, when you come right down to it, basically against\nindustrial civilization. They won't stop with shutting down the mines here;\nthat is only a means to an end for them now.\n\nThe worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his revolution\nis unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without radical change.\nTelling people that paradise can be attained without the revolution is\ntreason of the vilest kind.\n\nTrying to harness these people to support spaceflight is like trying to\nharness a buffalo to pull your plough. He's got plenty of muscle, all\nright, but the furrow will go where he wants, not where you want.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n",
'From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 65\n\nIn <Apr.13.00.08.15.1993.28388@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org writes:\n> gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:\n> \n>> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame\n>> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.\n>[deleted] \n>> \n>> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we\n>> die. \n> \n> I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people \n> choose a meaningless existence. How terrible to go on living only \n> because one fears death more than life.\n\n ?Huh? Okay, so I\'m not Eric Molas, but even if that _is_ how he\nfeels about life, I disagree with it.\n\n Life, to me, is definitely NOT meaningless; it has precisely the\npurpose and meaning I choose to give it. I go on living because I _like_\nliving; if I needed any further reason, I\'d be free - completely free! -\nto pick any reason that suited me. That freedom can be almost\nintoxicating; it\'s probably the closest I\'ve ever been to a \'religious\'\nexperience. I\'m *very* glad I am an atheist; I wouldn\'t be anything\nelse.\n\n> I feel so sorry for Eric and \n> yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as \n> further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. \n\n Not unless, in explaining your own subjective experience, you also\ntry to convert him or proselytize. Merely explaining the effects you\npersonally experience religion as having on you, is not "infectious".\nNot unless Eric is paranoid, that is. ;->\n\n> As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, \n> and create. I will live forever with God.\n\n Whatever floats your goat. You sound happy enough; that\'s fairly\nmuch all that matters, right?\n\n> Christ is not a kind of drug. Drugs are a replacement for Christ. \n\n Erh... Pardon, but it strikes me that sentence sounds reversible.\n\n> Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must \n> do something to ease the pain.\n\n "Empty spot"? "God-shaped hole"? I hear such things a lot from\ntheists; never quite did understand what they were talking about.\nI have no such \'emptiness\' or \'hole\'. Maybe some others do, I wouldn\'t\nknow; but I don\'t, and if I did, I\'d seek help about it. Doesn\'t sound\nlike a mentally healthy situation at all, walking around with a \'hole\'\nin oneself.\n\n> Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much \n> God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled \n> and abundant life.\n\n Well, not having written that original post, I don\'t know if it\nwas intended to be interpreted in such a way; but, having reread it\ncarefully, I somewhat doubt it. At least, that\'s not how he gets across\nto _me_, your mileage may vary...\n\n-- \n Disclaimer? "It\'s great to be young and insane!"\n',
"From: gt5735a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Devaney)\nSubject: Sorry, another Gateway posting\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 42\n\n\nI never thought I'd contribute to a Gateway thread, either pro or con, but\nmy spleen could use a little venting. The scenario:\n\n\t1 - Ordered a DX2/50 w/ Ultrastor 34F Local Bus HD controller\n\t2 - Receive system 10 days after ordering (Happy)\n\t3 - Discover Ultrastor 14F ISA HD Controller inside (unhappy)\n\t4 - Call Gateway, receive the correct controller in 5 days \n\t\t(getting happier)\n\t5 - New controller doesn't work (unhappy again)\n\t6 - Call Gateway again, get another controller in 5 more days\n\t\t\t(cooling off, the end is in sight)\n\t7 - This controller doesn't work either, motherboard is bad\n\t\t(VERY unhappy)\n\nGateway's solution: They will order me a new motherboard (5 more days)\n\tand have on-site service install it for me.\nBUT, I have to take a day off of work because the service people\nonly work 9-5 M-f. I say, no way I've already blown about 20 hours\nwith this, about 10 of them on hold and I don't have the time or $$\nto take a day off work. Also, my 30 day return period is almost over and\nI've only been able to use the thin for about 10 minutes. So, the whole \nthing is going back. \n I was extremely upset when I began this post because the support rep told me\nthat I would have to pay shipping not only for the returned system, but also\nthe two hard drive controllers they had sent me. Fortunately, I just spoke\nto customer service and they are going to have UPS come and pick everything\nup gratis. The only downside is that now I have to order another computer.\n\nI would really like to try Gateway again, I'm just very turned off by the\nprospect of having to try and get through to Customer Service or Tech Support\nagain... I think their products are great for the most part, but I'm\nbeginning to wonder if the savings are worth the potential aggravation.\nAre other mail order companies as difficult to contact? I know Gateway is\nbooming, and for good reason, but I don't know if I can take it again.\nOh well, I feel better now...\n\n-- \n-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----\n| Mark Devaney - Hear me now and believe me later |\n| Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\t\t |\n| Internet: markd@cc.gatech.edu \t\t\t\t\t |\n",
'From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nSubject: Re: Who\'s next? Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as \'guest\'.\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <C5soDA.3L8@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> \npmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:\n>Ken Arromdee writes\n>>>Did they not know that these men were federal officers?\n>>Do you know what a "no-knock search" is?\n>Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If\n>the BDs didn\'t know immediately that they were dealing with feds\n>(uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty\n>short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready\n>for having been attacked "without warning". \n\nOh, bloody sorry old chap, why didn\'t you tell me you were a federale?\nTough luck, eh? What\'s that? You say you\'re not dead yet?\n',
'From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)\nSubject: Safe driving prcatices...\nExpires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: Computervision\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:\n>In article <rbpC54D51.26n@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:\n>>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:\n>\n>>\n>>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car\n>\n>The only thing between you and "them" is space.\n>Keep as much as possible.\n\nTake this one step further ...\n\nNever dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass\nmake it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can\'t pass fully, at least make\nsure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least\ngetting into his area of vision.\n\nThis also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it\nas POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I "try" to do is look in the rear view\nand then over my shoulder. And after I\'ve done that ACCELERATE into the \nlane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a \npotential BDI that\'s trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie:\nhe may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren\'t\nGOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right).\n\nRide with four eyes...\n\nRich\n\n\nRich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com\n1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173\n"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect\n us from the evil men do in the name of good"\n',
'From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)\nSubject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 54\n\nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n\n>In article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n>>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on\n>>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that\n>>> ^^^^^\n>>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? \n>>\n>>>I\'m curious why you think that particular adjective is important.\n>>\n>>I\'m curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several\n>>different news groups, including something along the lines of \n>>alt.discrimination. \n\n>Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.\n>Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted\n>to two of those three (omitting soc.motss).\n\n>Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer \n>the question posed? If your statement is so "beign"(!?), you should have no\n>trouble politely responding to a polite query.\n\n Well, I don\'t think your query was exactly polite, but I will TRY to\ngive you a polite responce. Something atypical of the net, but here it goes.\n\n Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King. From many\nof the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective \nis commonly in front of his name. I have NEVER seen anyone complain about\nthe use of this adjective when used in a benign manner. I did not say that\nMr. King was a no good black! I do not know Mr. King and would not make this\nascertian without some evidence to this effect. I used it PURELY as a \ndescriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have\nused it in the past.\n\n\n The entire second trial was about race, Ted. I don\'t feel compelled to\ndiscuss Mr. King\'s racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would\nnot have been a second trial. You probably are saying that the beating would\nnot have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call\nto make. It is possible the case, but not definately. \n\n I still think your actions are crap, Ted. They are far more divisive than\nme using the adjective \'black\' in a non-derogenory manner. Would you have\nbeen happier if I had used \'African-american\' ? If so, then you really are\nlost in the world of PC. You have already been instrumental in getting one\npersons net access revoked, and I wonder if you have sent a copy of my \nmessage to my sys admin with a plea that I am not worthy of posting.\n\n The way you went about this \'polite\' inquiry makes me believe it was \nanything but.\n \n\n',
'From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com ("RWTMS2::MUNIZB")\nSubject: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station!\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 16\n\non Date: 01 Apr 93 18:03:12 GMT, Ralph Buttigieg <ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au>\nwrites:\n/Why can\'t the government just be a tennant? Private commercial concerns\n/could just build a space station system and charge rent to the government\n/financed researchers wanting to use it.\n\nI believe that this was the thought behind the Industrial Space Facility. I\ndon\'t remember all the details, but I think Space Services (?) wanted NASA to \nsign an anchor tenancy deal in order to help secure some venture capital but \nNASA didn\'t like the deal. (I\'m sure I\'ll hear about it if I\'m wrong!)\n\nDisclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind).\nBen Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578\nSpace Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics\n "Man will not fly for fifty years": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901\n\n',
"From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org\nSubject: LRDPA news\nX-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993\nLines: 28\n\n Many of you at this point have seen a copy of the \nLunar Resources Data Purchase Act by now. This bill, also known as the Back to \nthe Moon bill, would authorize the U.S. \ngovernment to purchase lunar science data from private \nand non-profit vendors, selected on the basis of competitive bidding, with an \naggregate cap on bid awards of $65 million. \n If you have a copy of the bill, and can't or don't want to go through \nall of the legalese contained in all Federal legislation,don't both - you have \na free resource to evaluate the bill for you. Your local congressional office, \nlisted in the phone book,is staffed by people who can forward a copy of the\nbill to legal experts. Simply ask them to do so, and to consider supporting\nthe Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act. \n If you do get feedback, negative or positive, from your congressional \noffice, please forward it to: David Anderman\n3136 E. Yorba Linda Blvd., Apt G-14, Fullerton, CA 92631,\nor via E-Mail to: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org. \n Another resource is your local chapter of the National Space Society. \nMembers of the chapter will be happy to work with you to evaluate and support \nthe Back to the Moon bill. For the address and telephone number of the nearest \nchapter to you, please send E-mail, or check the latest issue of Ad Astra, in \na library near you.\n Finally, if you have requested, and not received, information about\nthe Back to the Moon bill, please re-send your request. The database for the\nbill was recently corrupted, and some information was lost. The authors of the \nbill thank you for your patience.\n\n\n--- Maximus 2.01wb\n",
'From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 68\n\nCould someone PLEASE give a guess as to why this simple little program\ncauses a BadPixmap error on the FOURTH (bizarre???) call to XtRelaizeWidget()?\n\nHere is the code:\n\n\nint stoploop = 0;\n\nstatic void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer);\n\nmain()\n{\n XtToolkitInitialize();\n XtAppContext app = XtCreateApplicationContext();\n while (1)\n {\n int junk = 0;\n Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(app, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0,\n &junk, NULL);\n\n Widget top = XtAppCreateShell(NULL, NULL,\n applicationShellWidgetClass, dis, NULL, 0);\n\n Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("x",\n xmPushButtonWidgetClass,\n top,\n XmNheight, 25,\n XmNwidth, 25, NULL);\n\n XtAddCallback(box, XmNactivateCallback, Callback, NULL);\n\n XtRealizeWidget(top);\n while (!stoploop)\n {\n XEvent event;\n XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);\n XtDispatchEvent(&event);\n }\n stoploop = 0;\n XtReleaseGC(top, XDefaultGCOfScreen(XtScreen(top))); // needed?\n XtDestroyWidget(top);\n XtCloseDisplay(dis);\n }\n}\n\nstatic void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer)\n{\n stoploop = 1;\n}\n\n\nThe error I get (yes, the 4TH time I try to show the box) is:\n\nX Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)\n Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC)\n Resource id in failed request: 0xd0000d\n Serial number of failed request: 71\n Current serial number in output stream: 85\n\n\nPlease respond via email. Thanks very, very much!\n\n(NOTE: I realize this program does nothing useful, its an ultra-trivialized\nversion fo a real library routine)\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem)\nSubject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain)\nReply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem)\nOrganization: NCSU Chem Eng\nLines: 44\n\n\nIn article <1qmdtlINNkrc@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:\n\n|> In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:\n|> |> \n|> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:\n|> |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel\n|> |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.\n|> |> |> -- \n|> |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org\n|> |> Mr. water-head,\n|> |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that\n|> |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no \n|> |> water is being used on the lebanese\n|> |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there\n|> |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.\n|> \n|> Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more\n|> difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in\n|> any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support\n|> this?\n|> \n|> I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan\n|> had been writing it.\n|> \n|> Newsflash:\n|> Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red\n|> Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of\n|> the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea.\n|> The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment.\n|> Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been\n|> denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers\n|> were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the\n|> Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered\n|> heavy casualties while doing so.\n\nHehehe.\n\nBTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters\nstay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan\nRiver makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows\ninto the Jordan, if I am not mistaken.\n\nBrad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)\n",
"From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)\nSubject: Clipper Chip - How would it work?\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 18\n\n\nWith all the talk about this Clipper chip, I have developed one question...\n\n\t\t\tHOW DOES IT WORK???\n\nIf you use this, then how does it get decrypted on the other end? Does the\nother party (receiving the phone call/mail/etc) have to know some code to \nundo it? Do I use a different method for calling one party than I would for \nanother?. If the other party can decrypt it, doesn't that mean that someone\nelse could also? I assume that if everyone has a different key, the only use\nwould be storing secure data for later retrieval by the same key. This seems\nlike a fundamental question to me, but I have very little experience with\ncryptosystems, other than DES. If someone could give me an explanation as\nto how it would be used (remember that I have had little experience with\nthis sort of thing) it would be very much appreciated. \n\n\t\t\t\t\tJustin York\n\t\t\t\t\tjyork@iastate.edu\n",
'From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)\nSubject: Re: HBP? BB? BIG-CAT?\nOrganization: Organization? Who cares? You just gotta say "Go Bears!"\nLines: 14\nDistribution: na\n\t<1qv9psINNsj6@lynx.unm.edu> <C5r7tv.36s@odin.corp.sgi.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu\nIn-reply-to: kubey@sgi.com\'s message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 23:27:29 GMT\n\nIn article <C5r7tv.36s@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:\n\n I suppose a foul ball machine (like Brett Butler) is pretty valuable,\n but I\'d rather watch (and root for) the lower OBP guys who can\n actually hit the ball.\n\nAnd I\'d rather watch (and root for) a team that scores lots of runs\nand wins games.\n\nOf course, I\'m rooting for the Rockies and Andres anyway. But that\'s\nfor irrational hometown reaons. I also root for Frank Thomas. :)\n\nDavid Paschich\n\n',
'From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser)\nSubject: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 50\n\n\n\n Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter\nof what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on\nNHL teams have escalated to the following stats:\n\nCanadians: 400\nAmericans: 100\nEuropeans: 100\n\n Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top\n25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun.\n\n Here\'s the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick\nof watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let\'s say, the\nRed Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and\n"Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn\'t it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,\nand Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other\nteams is getting worse as well. \n\n I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about "Pavel Bure, the\nRussian Rocket" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see\nthe Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I\'m not a\nCanucks fan to begin with ;-). \n\n Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that\nI resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and\nsome Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR\nNORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren\'t even\nbetter hockey players. It\'s all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening,\nbut until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue\nto have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.\n\n With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly\nonly getting worse.\n\n I\'m all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures\nand Selannes of the world play on their own continent.\n\n I just don\'t want them on mine.\n\n\n \n \n-- \nRichard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you\'re doing."\nrauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don\'t worry about that. We\'re professional\nWNI outlaws - we do this for a living."\n-----------------\n"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai\n',
"From: sextonm@univrs.decnet.lockheed.com\nSubject: Re: Can't get 1280x1024 to work w/2M ATI Ultra Pro\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: univrs.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com\nOrganization: Lockheed Palo Alto Research Labs\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.144814.17736@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes:\n> I am unable to get my Gateway 486DX2/66 to run Windows\n> in 1280x1024. I ordered a 2M ATI Ultra Pro, and I'm pretty\n> sure the 2M is really there because I *can* select\n> 1024x768x65536. But no matter what I do with the Flex program\n> in the ATI's program group, 1280x1024 remains ghosted out.\n> I have Windows 3.1, build 59 of the drivers, DOS 5.0. The\n> drivers were installed by Gateway, not by me, so perhaps there's\n> a file missing from the hard drive. It runs 1024x768 just fine.\n> I did go into the Desktop window and select 1280x1024. Sometimes\n> it refuses (ghosted out), other time it accepts it, but when I hit\n> OK and re-enter Desktop, it's back to 1024x768. At no time does\n> it unghost 1280x1024 in the main Flex window. Help!\n> \n> -- \nKeith,\n\nI had a problem getting 256 colors (I was stuck with 16) even though\nthe flex-stuff said I was at 1024-256. I solved it by entering\nthe 'advanced' window on the flex program pannel and changing the\n'color palette'. Sorry for the vaugeness, I hope it helps some.\n\nBTW, I have a GW2000-66V and 1M ATI GUP.\n\nMatt Sexton SEXTON@CLAES.SPACE.LOCKHEED.COM\n",
'Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Noel B. Lorenzana <U38134@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Marvel comics for sale! (mostly cover price)\nLines: 43\n\nComics for sale. All are Marvel and the majority\nof the comics are cover price. Buyer pays shipping.\nShipping costs will vary with the quantity you\nbuy. All reasonable offers will be considered.\n\n\n\nPunisher W.J. 9,10,13,14,15,16,17,\n 20-28,31-40,43 $1.75 each\n\nPunisher 34,42,43,49,51-54, $1.50 each\n(regular series) 56-62\n\nX-factor #1 $4.00\n 2-4 3.00\n 37,48,41,45,50, 1.75\n 63 4.00\n 65,66 3.00\n 69-75 1.50\n Annual #7 2.25\n\nSilver Surfer 4,22,23,29,30,41,\n 50(1st, 3rd print)\n 51-62 $1.50 each\n\nX-force 1-6 $1.50\n 7-17 1.25\n\nGhost Rider #5 $8.00\n 7 4.00\n 8,11 3.00\n 13-34 $2.00 each\n\nNew Mutants 2,7,9,14,15-19,26,48,\n 50,58,63,87(2nd),100 $2.00 each\n\nMarvel Comics 89,91,92,95,96,\nPresents 99,100 $1.50 each\n\n\nHere you have it. Please send replies to\nU38134@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Noel Lorenzana)\nThanks.\n',
"From: 55526@brahms.udel.edu (Oliver P Weatherbee)\nSubject: New Windows drivers for Cirrus GD5426 graphic cards!\nArticle-I.D.: news.C5x27u.D4F\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 42\nNntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu\n\n\nI have uploaded the most recent Windows drivers for the Cirrus GD5426 \nchip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp.cica.indiana.edu\n (file is 5426dr13.zip). They're very recent, I downloaded them from the \nCirrus BBS (570-226-2365) last night. If you are unable to get them there, \nemail me and maybe I can upload them to some other sites as well. \nI have a local bus based card (VL24 Bitblaster from Micron) but I think \nthe drivers work with ISA cards (or at least includes drivers for them).\n\nI found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1.2 version, \nimproving my graphic winmarks (v3.11) by about 2 million (7.77 to 9.88) \nalthough this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on \nCirrus's part but I don't think so.\n\nFrom Steve Gibson's (columnist for Info World) graphic card comparisons \n(also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv.zip) I extracted the \nfollowing for the sake of comparison:\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tWintach\n \t\tWinbn3.11\tWord\tSprsht\tCad\tPaint\tOverall\nSteve's system:\n486/33 VLB:\nATI Graphics Ultra Pro\t 9.33\t\t10.34\t 20.78\t8.28\t14.90\t 13.58\n\nmy system -\n486sx/33 VLB:\nVL24 Bitblaster\t\t 9.88\t\t 8.65\t 11.71\t18.84\t15.40\t 13.65\n\n\nIts no Viper, but I think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of \nthe ATI card and when compared to the other cards included in Gibson's review.\n\nMicron system owner's, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the \nDTC 2270VL local bus disk controller. My system came with a Maxtor 7120 \ndrive (120 MB) and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 Kb/s, \nI am now at 22 Kb/s. Is this about as good as it gets? I can't get a Norton's\nsysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls, at \nleast that was what the program said.\n\n\nOliver Weatherbee\noliver@earthview\n",
"From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)\nSubject: ATTENTION: ALL NEO-GEO OWNERS READ THIS!\nKeywords: neo-geo\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 25\n\nHello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)),\n\nI was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games. I\nmean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive. $184.99 is\na little too much to be spending on each game. But ahh, the quality...\nNow I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot.\n\nRight now, I have:\n\nCrossed Swords\nMagician Lord\nBaseball Stars 2\nFatal Fury\nNam-1975\n\nI am interested in buying more titles. If any of you have any interesting\ntrade ideas, please let me know.\n\n\nThanks\n\nTom\ntomcat@leland.stanford.edu\n\n\n",
"From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes)\nSubject: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ?\nOrganization: Unix in NYC\nDistribution: na\nLines: 16\n\n\nI need to reduce the speed of a Boxer fan by about 30-50%. I recall\nreading somewhere that the right capacitor in series will do it.\n\nIf this isn't a case of brain fade, can someone suggest the cap value ?\n\nThe specifics; It's a real Boxer Fan (tm). The label says 115 V, .2 amps.\n\nAl Dykes\n--------\nadykes@jpr.com\n\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe\nLines: 39\n\nmjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\nmjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don\'t even need to tell people\nmjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first\nmjs>time they try to go round a corner.\n\nkarr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:\nkarr>Are you sure? Remember that you *can* get around corners without\nkarr>countersteering. In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors\nkarr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike\nkarr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight\nkarr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite\nkarr>direction. (I admit I\'ve never actually seen this.)\n\nI\'ve experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...\n\nMy first bike used to track extremely true. Going down the highway,\nI would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas\nsteady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding\nwithout any hands. If I needed to turn, I\'d shift my weight into the\nturn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars!\nGranted, it wouldn\'t turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn\na bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input\nto the bar normally associated with countersteering.\n\nAs I\'ve said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any\ninput they\'re giving to the bar is totally unconscious. Whereas that\nmay be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances,\npossibly for years at a stretch, I can\'t think of anybody who\'d argue\nthat this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar\nin a turn, regardless of what you want to call it.\n\nExcept maybe for Mr. Sixsmith... ;^)\n\nMr. Bill\n-- \n+ Bill Leavitt, #224 + \'82 CBX "White Lightning", \'82 GS850G "Suzibago" +\n+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + \'76 CJ360 "Little Honda", \'68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +\n+ DoD AMA ICOA NIA + \'69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +\n+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +\n',
'From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 54\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.003719.101323@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:\n>prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated: \n>>\n>>\n>\n>I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in\n>that essentially says "If you never hear from Earth again,\n>here\'s what to do." This was a back up in the event a receiver\n>burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but\n>still some data). \n>\n\nVoyager has the unusual luck to be on a stable trajectory out of the\nsolar system. All it\'s doing is collecting fields data, and routinely\nsquirting it down. One of the mariners is also in stable\nsolar orbit, and still providing similiar solar data. \n\nSomething in a planetary orbit, is subject to much more complex forces.\n\nComsats, in "stable " geosynch orbits, require almost daily\nstationkeeping operations. \n\nFor the occasional deep space bird, like PFF after pluto, sure\nit could be left on "auto-pilot". but things like galileo or\nmagellan, i\'d suspect they need enough housekeeping that\neven untended they\'d end up unusable after a while.\n\nThe better question should be.\n\nWhy not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding\nto support these kind of ongoing science missions.\n\npat\n\n\tWhen ongoing ops are mentioned, it seems to always quote Operations\nand Data analysis. how much would it cost to collect the data\nand let it be analyzed whenever. kinda like all that landsat data\nthat sat around for 15 years before someone analyzed it for the ozone hole.\n\n>>Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some\n>>cosmic phenomena. \n>>\n>Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for\n>startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might\n>not be such a big loss. Obviously you can\'t plan for\n>everything, but the most obvious things can be considered.\n>\n>\n>/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\\ \n>| "I know you believe you understand what it is that you | \n>| think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that |\n>| what I said is not what I meant." |\n\n\n',
'From: billd@informix.com (William Daul)\nSubject: Toshiba 3401 E and P CD-ROM\nSummary: need info on what difference is and where to find 3401P or E\nKeywords: toshiba, cd, cd-rom, cd rom\nOrganization: Informix Software, Inc.\nLines: 10\n\nI notice the Toshiba 3401 has 3 versions, B - internal, E - external and P -\nportable. Can anyone tell me the difference between the portable and the\nexternal version? Where in the SF Bay Area can I find a model P?\n\nThanks, --Bill\n-- \n%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\n William Daul Advanced Support INFORMIX SOFTWARE INC.\n 4100 Bohannon Dr. (415) 926-6488 - wk\n Menlo Park, CA. 94025 uunet!infmx!billd or billd@informix.com\n',
'From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: Drawing colour pixmaps - not rectangular\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nIn article <1993Mar31.022947.149@etrog.se.citri.edu.au>, jck@catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell) writes:\n\n|> I am writing a program which needs to draw colour XPM pixmap files onto a background without having the borders show up. I cannot do xor as the colours all stuff up. I cannot use XCopyPlane() as that is for single planes only. I want to be able to specify a colour in the pixmap to be used as the opaque colour. Is this possible. \n|> \n|> Games such as xjewel have the same problem. How does the mouse pointer do it?\n|> \n|> Any help would be helpful? :-)\n|> \n\nYou wanna do masking. Build a bitmap (pixmap of depth one) where all pixels\nyou name "opaque" are 1 (that get copied) and the others are 0. Use this\nbitmap as the clip_mask in the gc used for XCopyArea(), and remember to\nadjust the clip_origin coordinates to the XCopyArea() blit origin.\n\nThe Mouse pointer (besides from that it is driven using RAMDAC analog\nmapping on most hardwares) uses a mask, too.\n\nBut be warned: blitting through a mask and especially moving around this mask\nis annoying slow on most xservers... it flickers even at 40 MIPS...\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o | \\\\\\- Brain Inside -/// | o |\n| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o |\n| o | Andre\' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n',
'From: renggli@masg1.epfl.ch (loris renggli)\nSubject: Need graph display/edit\nOrganization: Math. Dept., Swiss Institute of Technology\nLines: 17\n\nI am looking for a program that is capable of displaying a graph\nwith nodes and links and with the possibility to edit interactively\nthe graph : add one node, change one link etc...\n\nActually, a very _simple_ X11 program would be ok; all I need is to\nput some "boxes" (i.e. the nodes ) on a pane and be able to\nmanipulate them with the mouse (move, add or delete boxes).\n\nDoes anyone know if such program is available ?\nThanks for any help !!\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nLoris RENGGLI phone : +41-21-6934230\nSwiss Federal Institute of Technology fax : +41-21-6934303\nMath. Dept\nCH-1015 Lausanne (Switzerland) e-mail : renggli@masg1.epfl.ch\n\n',
'From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)\nSubject: Re: Small Astronaut (was: Budget Astronaut)\nOrganization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1pfkf5$7ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n>Only one problem with sending a corp of Small astronauts.\n>THey may want to start a galactic empire:-) Napoleon\n>complex you know. Genghis Khan was a little guy too. I\'d bet\n>Julius caesar never broke 5\'1".\n\nI think you would lose your money. Julius was actually rather tall\nfor a Roman. He did go on record as favouring small soldiers though.\nThought they were tougher and had more guts. He was probably right\nif you think about it. As for Napoleon remember that the French\navergae was just about 5 feet and that height is relative! Did he\nreally have a complex?\n\nObSpace : We have all seen the burning candle from High School that goes\nout and relights. If there is a large hot body placed in space but in an\natmosphere, exactly how does it heat the surroundings? Diffusion only?\n\nJoseph Askew\n\n-- \nJoseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,\njaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.\nDisclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,\nActually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.\n',
'From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com\nSubject: Re: Need Info on DSP project\nNf-ID: #R:ee.ualberta.ca:735344986:trsvax:288200082:000:164\nNf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls Apr 21 09:31:00 1993\nLines: 6\n\n\nMotorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It\ncould be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K\ndevelopment system.\n\n\n',
"From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One )\nSubject: PADS Question - How do I go from a schematic -> PCB?\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 17\n\nAfter I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into \nPADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is\nto output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there\nanother way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions\nprovided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be \ngreatly appreciated. Thanks!\n\n\n _I_______________________________________________________________________I_\n(_@_) (_@_)\n| | Raymond Yeung Internet: Nimbus@uiuc.edu | |\n| | rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | |\n| | EE student at the | |\n| | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | |\n| | at Urbana-Champaign | |\n(___)-------------------------------------------------------------------(___)\n I I\n",
'From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)\nSubject: Re: Women\'s Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)\nOrganization: Pages Software Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.171211.5772@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) \nwrites:\n> In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:\n> >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> \njhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:\n> >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:\n> >>: new Duc 750SS doesn\'t, so I\'ll have to go back to carrying my lipstick\n> >>: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-)\n> >>\n> >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men\'s styles she\'s tried\n> >>don\'t fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they\'re too\n> >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any \n> >>suggestions? I\'m assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy\n> >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that\n> >>makes a reasonable line of women\'s motorcycling stuff? More importantly,\n> >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?\n\nThere\'s an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on \nwomen\'s attire for serious and not-so-serious riding. They do mention who \nmakes stuff specific for women\'s dimensions, and what also works OK enough as \nwell. Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge.\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJon Wright "Now how the hell did Pages Software Inc.\nDoD #0823 THAT come outa my mouth?" \'86 VFR700f2\n',
"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)\nSubject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.\nLines: 26\n\n\nIn article <C5sL3z.2B2@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:\n|> \n|> Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have\n|> with weapons.\n|> \n|> --\n|> Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!\n|> Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...\n|> University of Virginia | Companion keyboard.\n|> pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho\n\nIMO, a Christian has no need of weapons. I know it is very contrary to the\nAmerican NRA ethos of the right to bear arms, but Christians should rely on\nthe strength of God to protect them. Note that I say *should*. We are\ninherently insecure but I feel that that is not proper justification to be\narmed to the teeth. A Christian should not have to rely on physical weapons\nto defend himself. A Christian should rely on his faith and intelligence.\nFor instance, I have the faith that God will protect me but God also gave\nme the intelligence to know not to go walking down that dark alley at night.\nTo jump off a cliff and say that God will save me would be putting God to the\ntest. And who are we to test God?\n\nGod be with you,\n\nMalcolm Lee :)\n",
"From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals)\nSubject: Looking for a little research help [ addendum]\nOrganization: Dynamic Graphics Inc.\nLines: 10\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com\n\nSorry but I forgot this ps.\n\nRight now my sight is getting news about two weeks behind so it's \nkind of necessary (to me) that any responses be sent to me directly.\n\n\nThanks a lot\n\nJennise\n jennise@dgi.com \n",
'From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:\n|> \n|> There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report\n|> on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the\n|> Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis \n|> used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. \n|> So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine.\n|> They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine.\n\nPlease list the names of some of those neutral reporters that were killed\nin the "O.T.". It is also interesting to note that at the outbreak of\nthe intifada, palestinian parties quickly began orchestrating their\ndemonstrations for the benefit of the media. Having spoken to a Danish\nreporter who covered the initfada, I know of at least one case where\nhe found out that a "mass demonstration" on the outskirts of Gaza was\nsetup for himself and his colleagues. When I asked whether the footage\nshot was sent he replied affirmatively, "after all, it did happen."\nWhen this became the case, the IDF began closing sensitive trouble\nspots to reporters.\n\n|> Anas Omran\n|> \n\n-- \nShai Guday | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninja of the skies.\nCambridge, MA |\n',
'From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Israel\'s Expansion II\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <22APR93.23368145.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes:\n>>From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>:\n\n>>There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this\n>>respect.\n>>\n>>Israel allows freedom of religion.\n\n>Avi,\n> For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is\n>no compulsion in religion. Does Judaism permit freedom of religion\n>(i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism). Just wondering.\n\n\tIn Islam, there is no compulsion, just a tax on dhimini. In\nJudaism, non-Jews are allowed to do as they wish, and there is no\neffort made to convert them.\n\n\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 262\n\n Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009\n Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n +-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n | |\n | There were about six burned people in there, and the small |\n | corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a |\n | tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the |\n | doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being |\n | taken to Baku. There was a woman\'s corpse there too, she had |\n | been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a |\n | hacked-off part of a woman\'s body. It was something terrible. |\n | |\n +-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n\nDEPOSITION OF ROMAN ALEKSANDROVICH GAMBARIAN\n\n Born 1954\n Senior Engineer\n Sumgait Automotive Transport Production Association\n\n Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 40\n Microdistrict No. 3\n Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nWhat happened in Sumgait was a great tragedy, an awful tragedy for us, the \nArmenian people, and for all of mankind. A genocide of Armenians took place\nduring peacetime.\n\nAnd it was a great tragedy for me personally, because I lost my father in\nthose days. He was still young. Born in 1926.\n\nOn that day, February 28, we were at home. Of course we had heard that there \nwas unrest in town, my younger brother Aleksandr had told us about it. But we \ndidn\'t think . . . we thought that everything would happen outdoors, that they\nwouldn\'t go into people\'s apartments. About five o\'clock we saw a large crowd \nnear the Kosmos movie theater in our microdistrict. We were sitting at home \nwatching television. We go out on the balcony and see the crowd pour into Mir \nStreet. This is right near downtown, next to the airline ticket office, our \nhouse is right nearby. That day there was a group of policeman with shields\nthere. They threw rocks at those policemen. Then they moved off in the \ndirection of our building. They burned a motorcycle in our courtyard and \nstarted shouting for Armenians to come out of the building. We switched off \nthe light. As it turns out, their signal was just the opposite: to turn on the\nlight. That meant that it was an Azerbaijani home. We, of course, didn\'t know \nand thought that if they saw lights on they would come to our apartment.\n\nSuddenly there\'s pounding on the door. We go to the door, all four of us:\nthere were four of us in the apartment. Father, Mother, my younger brother\nAleksandr, and I. He was born in 1959. My father was a veteran of World War \nII and had fought in China and in the Soviet Far East; he was a pilot.\n\nWe went to the door and they started pounding on it harder, breaking it down \nwith axes. We start to talk to them in Azerbaijani, "What\'s going on? What\'s \nhappened?" They say, "Armenians, get out of here!" We don\'t open the door, we \nsay, "If we have to leave, we\'ll leave, we\'ll leave tomorrow." They say, "No, \nleave now, get out of here, Armenian dogs, get out of here!" By now they\'ve \nbroken the door both on the lock and the hinge sides. We hold them off as best\nwe can, my father and I on one side, and my mother and brother on the other. \nWe had prepared ourselves: we had several hammers and an axe in the apartment,\nand grabbed what we could find to defend ourselves. They broke in the door and\nwhen the door gave way, we held it for another half-hour. No neighbors, no\npolice and no one from the city government came to our aid the whole time. We \nheld the door. They started to smash the door on the lock side, first with an \naxe, and then with a crowbar.\n\nWhen the door gave way--they tore it off its hinges--Sasha hit one of them \nwith the axe. The axe flew out of his hands. They also had axes, crowbars, \npipes, and special rods made from armature shafts. One of them hit my father \nin the head. The pressure from the mob was immense. When we retreated into the\nroom, one of them hit my mother, too, in the left part of her face. My brother\nSasha and I fought back, of course. Sasha is quite strong and hot-tempered, he\nwas the judo champion of Sumgait. We had hammers in our hands, and we injured \nseveral of the bandits--in the heads and in the eyes, all that went on. But \nthey, the injured ones, fell back, and others came to take their places, there\nwere many of them.\n\nThe door fell down at an angle. The mob tried to remove the door, so as to go \ninto the second room and to continue . . . to finish us off. Father brought \nskewers and gave them to Sasha and me--we flew at them when we saw Father \nbleeding: his face was covered with blood, he had been wounded in the head, \nand his whole face was bloody. We just threw ourselves on them when we saw \nthat. We threw ourselves at the mob and drove back the ones in the hall, drove\nthem down to the third floor. We came out on the landing, but a group of the \nbandits remained in one of the rooms they were smashing all the furniture in \nthere, having closed the door behind them. We started tearing the door off to \nchase away the remaining ones or finish them. Then a man, an imposing man of \nabout 40, an Azerbaijani, came in. When he was coming in, Father fell down and\nMother flew to him, and started to cry out. I jumped out onto the balcony and \nstarted calling an ambulance, but then the mob started throwing stones through\nthe windows of our veranda and kitchen. We live on the fourth floor. And no \none came. I went into the room. It seemed to me that this man was the leader \nof the group. He was respectably dressed in a hat and a trench coat with a \nfur collar. And he addressed my mother in Azerbaijani: "What\'s with you, \nwoman, why are you shouting? What happened? Why are you shouting like that?"\nShe says, "What do you mean, what happened? You killed somebody!" My father \nwas a musician, he played the clarinet, he played at many weddings, Armenian \nand Azerbaijani, he played for many years. Everyone knew him. Mother says, \n"The person who you killed played at thousands of Azerbaijani weddings, he \nbrought so much joy to people, and you killed that person." He says, "You \ndon\'t need to shout, stop shouting." And when they heard the voice of this \nman, the 15 to 18 people who were in the other room opened the door and \nstarted running out. We chased after them, but they ran away. That man left, \ntoo. As we were later told, downstairs one of them told the others, I don\'t \nknow if it was from fright or what, told them that we had firearms, even\nthough we only fought with hammers and an axe. We raced to Father and started \nto massage his heart, but it was already too late. We asked the neighbors to \ncall an ambulance. The ambulance never came, although we waited for it all \nevening and all through the night.\n\nSomewhere around midnight about 15 policemen came. They informed us they were \nfrom Khachmas. They said, "We heard that a group was here at your place, you \nhave our condolences." They told us not to touch anything and left. Father lay\nin the room.\n\nSo we stayed home. Each of us took a hammer and a knife. We sat at home. Well,\nwe say, if they descend on us again we\'ll defend ourselves. Somewhere around \none o\'clock in the morning two people came from the Sumgait Procuracy, \ninvestigators. They say, "Leave everything just how it is, we\'re coming back \nhere soon and will bring an expert who will record and photograph everything."\nThen people came from the Republic Procuracy too, but no one helped us take \nFather away. The morning came and the neighbors arrived. We wanted to take \nFather away somehow. We called the Procuracy and the police a couple of times,\nbut no one came. We called an ambulance, and nobody came. Then one of the \nneighbors said that the bandits were coming to our place again and we should \nhide. We secured the door somehow or other. We left Father in the room and \nwent up to the neighbor\'s.\n\nThe excesses began again in the morning. The bandits came in several vehicles,\nZIL panel trucks, and threw themselves out of the vehicles like . . . a \nlanding force near the center of town. Our building was located right there. A\ncrowd formed. Then they started fighting with the soldiers. Then, in Buildings\n19 and 20, that\'s next to the airline ticket office, they started breaking \ninto Armenian apartments, destroying property, and stealing. The Armenians \nweren\'t at home, they had managed to flee and hide somewhere. And again they \npoured in the direction of our building. They were shouting that there were \nsome Armenians left on the fourth floor, meaning us. "They\'re up there, still,\nup there. Let\'s go kill them!" They broke up all the furniture remaining in \nthe two rooms, threw it outside, and burned it in large fires. We were hiding \none floor up. Something heavy fell. Sasha threw himself toward the door \nshouting that it was probably Father, they had thrown Father, were defiling \nthe corpse, probably throwing it in the fire, going to burn it. I heard it, \nand the sound was kind of hollow, and I said, "No, that\'s from some of the \nfurniture." Mother and I pounced on Sasha and stopped him somehow, and calmed \nhim down.\n\nThe mob left somewhere around eight o\'clock. They smashed open the door and \nwent into the apartment of the neighbors across from us. They were also\nArmenians, they had left for another city.\n\nThe father of the neighbor who was concealing us came and said, "Are you \ncrazy? Why are you hiding Armenians? Don\'t you now they\'re checking all the \napartments? They could kill you and them!" And to us :" . . . Come on, leave \nthis apartment!" We went down to the third floor, to some other neighbors\'. At\nfirst the man didn\'t want to let us in, but then one of his sons asked him and\nhe relented. We stayed there until eleven o\'clock at night. We heard the sound\nof motors. The neighbors said that it was armored personnel carriers. We went \ndownstairs. There was a light on in the room where we left Father. In the \nother rooms, as we found out later, all the chandeliers had been torn down. \nThey left only one bulb. The bulb was burning, which probably was a signal \nthey had agreed on because there was a light burning in every apartment in our\nMicrodistrict 3 where there had been a pogrom.\n\nWith the help of the soldiers we made it to the City Party Committee and were \nsaved. Our salvation--my mother\'s, my brother\'s, and mine,--was purely \naccidental, because, as we later found out from the neighbors, someone in the \ncrowd shouted that we had firearms up there. Well, we fought, but we were only\nable to save Mother. We couldn\'t save Father. We inflicted many injuries on \nthe bandits, some of them serious. But others came to take their places. We \nwere also wounded, there was blood, and we were scratched all over--we got our\nshare. It was a miracle we survived. We were saved by a miracle and the \ntroops. And if troops hadn\'t come to Sumgait, the slaughter would have been \neven greater: probably all the Armenians would have been victims of the \ngenocide.\n\nThrough an acquaintance at the City Party Committee I was able to contact the \nleadership of the military unit that was brought into the city, and at their \norders we were assigned special people to accompany us, experts. We went to \'\npick up Father\'s corpse. We took it to the morgue. This was about two o\'clock \nin the morning, it was already March 1, it was raining very hard and it was \nquite cold, and we were wearing only our suits. When my brother and I carried \nFather into the morgue we saw the burned and disfigured corpses. There were \nabout six burned people in there, and the small corpse of a burned child. It \nwas gruesome. I suffered a tremendous shock. There were about ten people \nthere, but the doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being\ntaken to Baku. There was a woman\'s corpse there too, she had been . . . well, \nthere was part of a body there . . . a hacked-off part of a woman\'s body. It \nwas something terrible. The morgue was guarded by the landing force . . . The \nchild that had been killed was only ten or twelve years old. It was impossible\nto tell if it was a boy or a girl because the corpse was burned. There was a \nman there, too, several men. You couldn\'t tell anything because their faces \nwere disfigured, they were in such awful condition...\n\nNow two and a half months have passed. Every day I recall with horror what \nhappened in the city of Sumgait. Every day: my father, and the death of my \nfather, and how we fought, and the people\'s sorrow, and especially the morgue.\n\nI still want to say that 70 years have passed since Soviet power was\nestablished, and up to the very last minute we could not conceive of what \nhappened in Sumgait. It will go down in history.\n\nI\'m particularly surprised that the mob wasn\'t even afraid of the troops. They\neven fought the soldiers. Many soldiers were wounded. The mob threw fuel \nmixtures onto the armored personnel carriers, setting them on fire. They \nweren\'t afraid. They were so sure of their impunity that they attacked our \ntroops. I saw the clashes on February 29 near the airline ticket office, right\nacross from our building. And that mob was fighting with the soldiers. The \ninhabitants of some of the buildings, also Azerbaijanis, threw rocks at the \nsoldiers from windows, balconies, even cinder blocks and glass tanks. They \nweren\'t afraid of them. I say they were sure of their impunity. When we were \nat the neighbors\' and when they were robbing homes near the airline ticket \noffice I called the police at number 3-20-02 and said that they were robbing \nArmenian apartments and burning homes. And they told me that they knew that \nthey were being burned. During those days no one from the police department \ncame to anyone\'s aid. No one came to help us, either, to our home, even though\nperhaps they could have come and saved us.\n\nAs we later found out the mob was given free vodka and drugs, near the bus \nstation. Rocks were distributed in all parts of town to be thrown and used in \nfighting. So I think all of it was arranged in advance. They even knew in \nwhich buildings and apartments the Armenians lived, on which floors--they had\nlists, the bandits. You can tell that the "operation" was planned in advance.\n\nThanks, of course, to our troops, to the country\'s leadership, and to the\nleadership of the Ministry of Defense for helping us, thanks to the Russian\npeople, because the majority of the troops were Russians, and the troops \nsuffered losses, too. I want to express this gratitude in the name of my \nfamily and in the name of all Armenians, and in the name of all Sumgait\nArmenians. For coming in time and averting terrible things: worse would\nhave happened if that mob had not been stopped on time.\n\nAt present an investigation is being conducted on the part of the USSR\nProcuracy. I want to say that those bandits should receive the severest\npossible punishment, because if they don\'t, the tragedy, the genocide, could \nhappen again. Everyone should see that the most severe punishment is meted\nout for such deeds.\n\nVery many bandits and hardened hooligans took part in the unrest, in the mass \ndisturbances. The mobs were huge. At present not all of them have been caught,\nvery few of them have been, I think, judging by the newspaper reports. There \nwere around 80 people near our building alone, that\'s how many people took \npart in the pogrom of our building all in all.\n\nThey should all receive the most severe punishment so that others see that \nretribution awaits those who perform such acts.\n\n May 18, 1988\n Yerevan\n\n\t\t - - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 153-157\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
"From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog)\nSubject: Space Shuttle information wanted\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu\n\n\n\nHello everyone,\n\n\tI was hoping someone could help me out. I'm writing a program\n\tfor my astronautics class for assent of the shuttle into a low\n\torbit. There are two things I'd like to know, First, how much \n\ttime elapses between launch and the pitch over. Second, what is\n\tthe cross-sectional area of the shuttle, srb's, and ext. tank.\n\n\tThanks for any information, post or e-mail.\n\n\tJoel Belog\n\tnether@wpi.wpi.edu\n\t\n",
'From: macro@cup.hp.com (Patrick MacRoberts)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nIn-Reply-To: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca\'s message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 14:20:37 GMT\nLines: 25\n\t<1993Apr6.142037.9246@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>\nNntp-Posting-Host: hpcobr30.cup.hp.com\nOrganization: Nazi Right-Wing Parenting Monthly\n\n\n%>I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he\n%>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that\n%>Euro-blooded boy back!!!\n%\n% Don\'t you Americans study history...the French settled in North America\n% as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his\n% North American heritage back a lot further than most of us.\n\n\n<friendly-jibe mode on>\n\nDon\'t you Canadians understand sarcasm? Sometimes the reader must\ndecide that what he\'s reading is so ludicrous that it must mean\nthe opposite of what it said...\n\nKinda like the "Toronto\'s going to win the Cup" posts. Yeah. Right.\nAnd cows can fly...\n\n<friendly-jibe mode off>\n\nGeez, Gerald. Like anyone reading rec.flamefest.hockey.pens.are.great\ndidn\'t know that Le-Mow was from Quebec.\n\n-Patrick\n',
"From: coyne@thing1.cc.utexas.edu ()\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nOrganization: At UT? That's a joke.\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thing1.cc.utexas.edu\n\nIt is illegal to use anything you eavedropped on for a business \nor for an illegal use. Jurisdictions that ban radar detectors or\npolice monitors, are essentially making the claim that there is no\nother reason for a radar detector or police radio monitor. \n\nThe results of fighting these claims in courts have been mixed.\nThe federal courts are not anxious to intervene and state courts\nhave sometimes held that the feds have exclusive jurisdiction\nand sometimes they have not. A lot of state courts do not have\nenough imagination to see any use for a radar detector besides\navoiding law enforcement action for speeding.\n\nWhen you buy a radar detector, amongst the guarrantees, instructions, \nexplanations, and other detritus, is an invitation to join an\nassociation dedicated to preserving your right to use a radar detector.\n(I promise I am not making this up!)\n\nI do not think radar detector manufacturers would be making any \nheadway at all in courtrooms if police departments enforced speed \nlaws with a strict eye to public safety and a blind eye to the fund\nraiser aspect of tickets. \n\nMike Coyne\n\n",
'From: brian@mdavcr.mda.ca (Brian Lemire)\nSubject: Joining the X Consortium ????\nOrganization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3\nLines: 6\n\nHi,\n\n\tDoes anyone have any information on joining the X Consortium ? What\nare the costs, what are the benefits, who should I contact ? Thanks\n\n\n',
'From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: Cadkey, Inc.\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\n\nAnna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:\n> Wasn\'t Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to\n> Pittsburgh?\n\nNo.\n\nIn what still, IMHO, ranks as the all-time greatest PR blunder (not to\nmention on-ice blunder) the Whalers ever committed, GM Eddie Johnston and\nCoach Rick Ley \'decided\' that Francis was incapable as a leader and stripped\nhim of the Captain\'s "C" in December of 1990. The whole organization (read:\nEJ and Ley, and by default owner Richard Gordon because he was too much of\na dupe to know how much he was being blind-sided by EJ) dumped on Francis all\nseason, starting with refusing to sign him to a new contract, publicly \nhumiliating him, stripping him of the "C", and then trading him that Spring\nto the Penguins. Classy guy, that EJ.\n\nThe loss of Francis (and too a lesser extent, Ulf), was one of a series of\ndecimating player moves by EJ which stripped the personality and fan-awareness\nfrom the team that has put them in the precarious position they are in today.\n\n[Gratuitous good EJ note...he did preside over the organization when it\nacquired Verbeek, Cassels, Sanderson, Poulin, Nylander, etc. He stripped the\nroster but he DID lay a foundation.]\n\n-SG (a real live Hartford Whalers season ticket holder)\n-steveg@cadkey.com\n',
"From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research\nX-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:\n>\n> Well, this is your opinion ! \n>\n\nOf course it is! \n\n> Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However, \n> I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if \n> KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses.\n>\n\nAnd this is your opinion. It is not any more valid due to repeated\ncapital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc. \n\n>\tRead what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian\n>\tarticles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive\n> Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit\n>\taround and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS. \n\nSo Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have\nbeen aggressive in the past? I don't follow your logic. \n\n>DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to\n>\n>\tNot a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that \n>\tyour GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS. \n\nI have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not\ngive any reasons for Turkey's involvement. I also am not trying to\nconvince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time.... \n\n>DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it.\n>DA] After all, it is now free. \n>\n>\tWell, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you.\n>\n>\t\n\nI am serious. Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace\nof mind? \n\nDeniz Akkus \n\n\n",
"From: panvalka@cs.unc.edu (Anay Panvalkar)\nSubject: Frame buffer question for X11R5 (Sun)\nOrganization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hatteras.cs.unc.edu\n\nX Window installation on a Sun4/470 with CG6 alone and with CG2 as\nscreen:0.0 and CG6 as screen:0.1.\n\nQuestions:\n1) Are there any hardware configuration changes on the CG2 and/or\nCG6 devices that need to be made other than pulling out and inserting the\nCG2 frame buffer in the vme bus?\n\n2) The CG6 is called a 'graphics accelerator' as apposed to a 'frame buffer'.\nWhat is the significance of this to the X server and how do we install\nthe SunOS driver / X to be compatable.\n\n-----------------------\nI would appreciate any information on this. \nI am posting this on the behalf of Dr. John Charlton (who does not have net\naccess). Please reply to him directly at charlton@bme.unc.edu or just send\nit at this address and I will forward it. \n\nThank you for your help!\n\n-Anay\npanvalka@cs.unc.edu\n",
"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)\nSubject: Re: note to Bobby M., again\nNntp-Posting-Host: nin\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.213527.3706@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n> How about people who are not religous? Take the inner city. There are\n> many people that care little for religion. Lot of crime. Lot of\n> murder. This is the other end- lack of religion- that allows wrong to\n> happen.\n\nI lived in Tokyo for a year and a half, and one of the many reasons why\nI intend to go back indefinitely is the freedom one enjoys when one can\nwalk anywhere (and I mean *anywhere*) at any time of day or night and not\nfeel uneasy, even if one's from an ethnic minority as I was.\n\nClues for Bobby (why do I bother?): (i) Tokyo is a city, and inner Tokyo\nis an inner city; (ii) there is a negligible level of violent crime, and\na street murder will be a lead item on *national* TV news; (iii) the\npopulation is almost universally atheistic.\n\nNext time I go for a stroll around Beirut at night, I'll let you know how\nit compares.\n\n> Bobby Mozumder\n\nCheers\n\nSimon\n-- \nSimon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk\nDepartment of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296\nUniversity of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714\nCoventry CV4 7AL, U.K.\n",
"From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch)\nSubject: What'S Exactly In A Flour\nLines: 32\n\nAllMartin MccormickWhat's Exactly in a Flour\n\nMM>From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)\nMM>Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK\nMM>\tWhat sort of lamp is the little glass bulb found inside the \nstarter?\nMM>It sort of reminds me of a NE2 neon lamp. Starters appear open when m\nMM>with an Ohm meter so the little lamp is either a neon or has a capacit\nMM>in series with it.\nMM> \nMM>\tI have seen these things all my life, but never read a really good\nMM>description of what is happening inside that little can.\n\nDo you know what a bi-metallic strip is?\nJust in case: it is two strips of different metals bonded together, which \nwhen heated bend to one side (check out the blinker globe in your \nchristmas tree lights).\n\nSo when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon, \nheating up and shorting out, thus providing a loop to power the heaters in \nthe main tube. When the tube fires, insufficient current runs through the \nstarter to keep the heat up and the bi-metalic strip straightens out \n(O/C).\n\nBTW, I too thought that they were nothing more than a small neon, so one \nday when the neon in my sisters digital (flip the metal squares type) \nclock broke (flimsy leads), I replaced it with one from a starter. Well \npowering up made a bit of a mess of the clock!\n\nCheers\nPeter T. \n\n",
'From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)\nSubject: Re: Broken rib\nKeywords: advice needed\nOrganization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <D0ZB3B1w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes:\n>\n\n>fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or\n>cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm.\n> My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was \n>best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and \n>indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very \n>hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me\n>is the movement or "clunking" I feel and hear back there when I move \n>certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke \n>years ago and that it still bothers them.. any opinions?\n\n\n\nYour doctor is right. It is best to do nothing, besides taking some pain\nmedication initially. Some patients don\'t like this and expect, or demand,\nto have something done. In these cases some physicians will "tape" the \npatient (put a lot of heavy adhesive tape around the chest), or prescribe\nan elastic binder. All this does is make it harder to breath, but the\npatient doesn\'t feel cheated, because soemthing is being done about the\nproblem. Either way, the end results are the same.\n\n==================================\n\nHoward Doyle\ndoyle+@pitt.edu\n\n',
"From: npm@netcom.com (Nancy P. Milligan)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 15\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nI'd dump him. Rude is rude and it seems he enjoys belittling and\nhumiliating you. But don't just dump him, write to him and tell\nhim why you are firing him. If you can, think about sending a copy\nof your letter to whoever is in charge of the clinic where he works, \nif applicable, or maybe even to the AMA. Don't be vindictive in\nyour letter, be truthful but VERY firm.\n\nBut don't be a victim and just put up with it. Take control! It'll\nmake you feel great!\n\nNancy M.\n-- \nNancy P. Milligan\t\t\t\t\tnpm@netcom.com\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t or\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tnpm@dale.cts.com\n",
'From: gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia)\nSubject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 115\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <oprsfnx.735015349@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes:\n>daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:\n>\n>\n>>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next\n>>> year with all new models. \n>\n>\n>>Junk? They\'ve made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and \n>>acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they\'re not \n>>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class \n>>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 \n>>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. \n>\n>\n> As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of\n>all models. I bought one for my wife.\n>\n\n\n*nnnnnnnng* Thank you for playing, I cannot agree with this. I believed\nthis and to put it nicely, it was a piece of junk!\n\nI loved this car, I babied it, I pampered it, and after 2 years, it just\ncouldn\'t stay together, I would say that not everyone will have the\nproblems that I had, but know this, it\'s not just the car, it is the\nability to get the car fixed, which will NOT happen at any\nchrysler/dodge/take your pick dealer. I don\'t care if there are going to\nreform their dealers/service with the intro of the LH cars, I will believe\nit when I see it. Case and point, the local dodge dealer. You drive up,\njust looking, you don\'t even get out of your door, when about 10 (yes 10)\nsalesman all eye you like their next meal, and literally pounce on you,\nand try to get you to make a deal, on everything your eye wanders towards.\nService is about 2 times worse than that. I had an alignment problem, but\nthey tried to tell me that the K frame was bent, and about 2000 dollars of\nwork/parts to fix it. Let me tell you the problems I had, and I took care\nof this car, I put alot of miles on it in the first couple years, but took\nit to every checkup it needed, and many that shouldn\'t have been.\n\n1988 Dodge Shadow ES\n\nThese were replaced within the 4 years that I owned the car.\n\nEngine \n4 Alternators\nRear Suspension Torsion Bar\n2 Water pumps\n5 thermostats\nHall effect sensor\nMain computer\n4 Batteries\n\nThese were rebuilt/repaired\n\nRadiator\nAutomatic Transmission\nPower Steering\n\n\nThose are just the things I can remember off the top of my head. For\nabout a year before I sold the car, I said to myself, it\'s a good car, I\njust can\'t find anybody competent enough the fix it. In the end, before I\ntraded it in for a Saturn, the power steering started acting up again. I\njust stopped putting money into it. I must have put at least $5000-$7000\nworth of repairs over it\'s lifetime. I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite\nme. Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things are\ngoing to fall apart, and no one will buy them without assurance, why the\nhell do you think that LH has been nicknamed Last Hope.\n\nYou can do better, and I know people will disagree with me here, but\nJapanese, like Honda, or Toyota, or the only american car company that I\nfeel is a quality product, Saturn. I will not touch another chrysler\nproduct again, no way. I don\'t care how good the LH cars look good, and I\nwill admit they look promising, but not with the support that you get. GM\nisn\'t much better, thank god, they don\'t control Saturn, like they do\ntheir divisions, or it would be just another marketing ploy. \n\nDon\'t get me wrong, i will be watching my car (which I do like) like a\nhawk for the next 4 years. I am much more hesitant to say it (or any) car\nis really good, until it has proved itself to me.\n\nBut since someone else pointed out C&D as a source. I will note, because\nI used to read these magazines, that Car and Driver has never had a good\nthing to say about most Chrysler products (Shadow for one), always were\nthey moaning about the reguritated K-car, and engine. Whereas Motor Trend\nalways thought they were great cars. No car magazine is really objective.\n\nAnd although there are alot of people who don\'t like Consumers Reports, I\nwill use them to reinforce my argument (I already know about the big stink\nwith the Saturn crash tests, time will tell how good a car they are), the\nshadow/sundance rate much worse than average, in fact none of the\nchrysler\'s rate a better than average, I think the best one is just\naverage. Excluding the diamond star/mitsubishi stuff and the LH\'s. You\ncan find bad stuff about the Shadow. Try as I might, when I researched\nthe Saturn, I could not find anything bad about it. There is a great deal\nof information about this company, just because it is a new american\ncompany and it has created quite a stir in the automotive community, for\ngood reason. Much more than the introduction of any new model lines of\nany established company. I read an article, which had a sub-column, an I\nthink this imprinted on me more than anything else. Some big wig in\nToyota said and I quote, "We are watching them very closely." Come on,\neverybody grow up, the foreign cars, especially the japanese have been\nkicking our butts, for good reason, the american car companies could not make\na good product or support the customer the way they want these days, to\nset in their ways, which is one of the reasons Saturn was created. They\nare still struggling because they haven\'t learned yet. They have the\nability, the workers are not inferior, the technology is not out of date,\nbut their attitude is, and they are just finding this out. It\'s called\ncompetition gentleman/women if you don\'t satisfy the demand of the\nconsumer, well your out.. \n\n*asbestos suit on*\n\nGaia\n\n',
'From: jfp001@acad.drake.edu\nSubject: Re: Goalie Mask Update\nLines: 41\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu\nOrganization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA\n\nIn article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes:\n> \n> \tHere are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for \n> 1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if\n> the guy isn\'t a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! \n> Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes!\n> \n> Player Team Pts Votes\n> -----------------------------------------------------------\n> 1. Brian Hayward San Jose 15 6\n> Andy Moog Boston 15 6\n> 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 11 5\n> 4. Ed Belfour Chicago 10 5\n> 5. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 5 3 \n> Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2\n> Ron Hextall Quebec 5 2\n> 8. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2\n> -----------------------------------------------------------\n> Others receiving 1 vote: Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det),\n> Clint Malarchuck (Buf/SD,IHL), Grant Fuhr (Buf), Rick Wamsley \n> (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), John Vanbiesbrouck (NYR),\n> Ken Dryden (Mon,ret), Bob Essensa (Win), Mike Vernon (Cal),\n> Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA).\n> \n\nC\'mon, Tommy Soderstrom is having a fine rookie (I think he\'s a rookie)\nseason with the Flyers. I\'m sure most of you knew that already, but just\nin case. \n\nJohn P.\njfp001@acad.drake.edu\nA longtime, but realistic Ranger fan who\'s willing to admit that the Rangers\nsucked big-time this year. They don\'t even deserve the luxury of a nice\ngolf course with a warm breeze. God, talk about underachievers!\nMike Keenan - we\'re waiting for you!\n> \n> -- \n> GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\n> GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \n> GO HORNETS! ||\n> GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)\nSubject: Question about Candlestick\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if\nanybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where \nSection 15 in the lower level is located.\n Please e-mail the response,\n Thanks, \n Rich\n-- \n "You\'ve read the hat, now see the movie."\n -Imus in the morning \n "A blurb? You\'re a blurb!"\n -Seinfeld\n',
'From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\nIn <C5q0HK.KoD@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes:\n\n>Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number\n>of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as\n>things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, "APOLLO") rather than under\t\n>the image subject.\t\n>\nFor those of you who don\'t need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF\nof a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere.\nE-mail me and I\'ll send it you...\n\nLouis\n\n-- \nI\'m hanging on your words, Living on your breath, Feeling with your skin,\nWill I always be here? -- In Your Room [ DM ]\n\n',
'Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK\nFrom: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby)\nExpires: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: Virginia Commonwealth University\nLines: 13\n\n\nThat\'s very true. I live in Richmond, home of the AAA Richmond\nBraves, and they have this guy Ryan Klesko who hit 17 HR\'s at home\nlast year. Now that doesn\'t sound like a whole lot, BUT the way the\n"Diamond" is built, Home runs are a rarity. In fact, Ron Gant,\nBrian Hunter and David Justice all proved they could hit in\nRichmond. When they were sent to the majors, they never came back.\nIf you can hit in Richmond, you can hit anywhere. \n\nSo far, after beating Scranton (Phillies) 9-0 in the first game, the\nbest team in AAA history has been rather underwhelming. Too many\nexpectations I guess. \n\n',
"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)\nSubject: Options that would be great to have...\nNntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca\nOrganization: The University of Calgary, Alberta\nLines: 26\n\n\n\n\nA list of options that would be useful. They can be existing\noptions on a car, or things you'd like to have...\n\n1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of\n mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...\n\n2) Full size spare\n\n3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.\n\n4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with\nthe engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment\nand cabin.\n\nFeel free to add on...\n\nRegards, Charles\nx\n-- \nWithin the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of\nseparate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,\nstruck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing\ngourd. --Unknown net.person\n",
'From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)\nSubject: Foot switches for sale\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 11\n\n\n\tI have 2 foot switches for sale. They\'re great for guitar\namps, and keyboards. Each is about 1" in diameter with a 6\' (or so)\ncable. I\'d like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows...\n\n-Jason\n-- \nSettle down, raise a family join the PTA, \nbuy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet\nAnd party \'till you\'re broke and they drag you away. It\'s ok.\n\t\t\t\t\tAl Yankovic\n',
'From: kastle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 8\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\nKeywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER\n\nCould we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need \nto expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, please\ntake your thought elsewhere. Thanks.\n-- \n : I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small : \n : OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just :\n : thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. :\n : Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering :\n',
'From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer)\nSubject: New mailserver...soon...utopia-service\nOrganization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG\nLines: 9\n\nFor all those who are interested and would like to discuss the popular\nSecret Life..and/or other technical documentaries.. Please email me\nas i am starting a newsgroup\n\n\n-- \njolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu\t | Its not impossible, just improbable\njohnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox)\nbl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand)\n',
"From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN)\nSubject: Keenan signs with the Rangers!!\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 11\n\nJust heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,\nand General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The\nRangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the\nend of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.\nThe Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because\nthey were very interested in him. Oh well.\n\nGo CAPS!!!!!!!\n\nConnin\n-- \n",
'From: daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS)\nSubject: Re: Integra GSR\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.234729.100387\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J\non Cochran) writes:\n>> > I\'d like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt\n>> >anyday, and it\'s a lot cheaper to boot\n>>\n>> I will take this one with a definate grain of salt. Performance data shows a\n>>\n>> If this poster has some proof(other than "my friend blew one away last week"\n>\n>\n> Want proof? Here is some data on acceleration and handling from\n>Motor Trend (apr \'93).\n>\n> Integra GS-R Beretta GTZ\n>\n>0-60 7.7 7.7\n>1/4 mile 16.0/88.1 16.1/87.8\n>L acc (g\'s) .84 .86\n>Slalom 63.7 68.4\n>***WRONG***\nWhy don\'t you look again at Motor Trend\'s, slalom times, they are 67.9, right\nalong with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that\nare all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than\na Beretta.\nYour acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine\nRoad & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.\nAlso Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1\nYou can\'t tell exactly by the numbers. Furthermore, the Integra will\ndefinately outrun the Beretta on the high end. Car & Driver and Road & track\nhave the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast.\n\n\n> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep\n>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top\n>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the\n>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).\n***You always believe those exact numbers, why don\'t you drive a GS-R, and see\nfor your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000\nrpm make up for the difference (still wouldn\'t call it a torque moster though!)\n\n> The biggest advantage would have to be the price. The Integra costs\n>$19,111 (as tested Motor Trend), the GTZ costs $16,134 (as tested). The\n>GTZ also has standard nicities and Airbag and Antilock brakes. An airbag\n>is not available on the Integra and lower models do not have ABS.\n>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4\n>is a reliable engine, it doesn\'t make sense to get the Integra as a\n>performance coupe, which is what people have been trying to make it out\n>to be.\n>\n\nQuad 4 reliable, yeah, what\'s your definition of reliable- if that\'s reliable,\nthen its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect\n (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine\n wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,\nand you\'ll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak\nfrom expierence!)\nI\'m not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don\'t highlight reliability when you\ncomparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a\nbetter investment since it will hold its value considerably much better. And\ndoes a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time.\n\nNOTE: this isn\'t a flame on the GTZ, or other GM Quad 4 products. THe Berreta\nis a nice car, and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable\nprice not to mention, it has an Airbag. But to start quoting figures from one\nsource, isn\'t too reliable. Read other sources, and drive both cars. While I\nhaven\'t driven a GTZ, I have driven GTs, and Grand Ams with Quad 4 engines,\n(so they are similair.)\n',
"Reply-To: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman)\nFrom: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Question/Suggestion for Everyone - Please Read\nLines: 28\n\n>\n>If both paries do this, then the transaction will obviously \n>be COD. This allows both parties to exercise the amount of\n>trust they see fit.\n\n\nCOD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00\nfor a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used\non a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods\nto protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with\nmerchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards, \nchargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc.\n\nAbout the only protection available to to do business with someone you\ntrust....someone who has been around for a while.\n\nJeff\n\n\n________________________________________________________________________\n\nJeff Freeman 1-800-GO-PORCH Toll-Free\nFront Porch Computers 1-706-695-1888 <voice>\nRt 2 Box 2178 1-706-695-1990 <fax>\nChatsworth, GA 30705 75260,21 Compuserve ID #\n Internet: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net\n________________________________________________________________________\n\n",
'From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: re: fillibuster\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\nLines: 132\n\nIn article <C5JpL7.5Cz@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n>\n>|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn\'t meant to be anything\n>|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out.\n>|>\n>|> That\'s also untrue, but at least we\'re wandering a little closer\n>|>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough\n>|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more.\n>\n>Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore\n>difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. \n\n There are a couple of ways to look at them. One is, "We want\nyou to support this Constitution, so we\'ll say anything that we think\nwill appeal to you," or the more straightforward, "This is why we think\nwhat we\'ve suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."\n\n You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation.\n\n>They\n>certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this\n>was not necessarily their true position.\n\n Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and \nprobably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson\'s democratic impules.\nBut what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions\non the government if we don\'t consider what they wrote about the\ngovernment?\n\n And is writing in support of something automatically "propoganda"\nto the point we must assume it is untrue or that they are saying what\nthey don\'t believe?\n\n>|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty\n>|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock\n>|>>set in.\n>|>\n>|> I wasn\'t aware the House of Lords had "wide powers." I was under the\n>|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and\n>|>certainly didn\'t have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted\n>|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)\n>\n>The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in \n>question.\n\n If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than\nwe\'d almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also.\n(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much\ngreater power than did the American system). \n\n>|> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely\n>|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn\'t intended to make use of their \n>|>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed\n>|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act\n>|>as a check on the more-often elected House.\n>\n>The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up\n>a bit too slow.\n\n I disagree. The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to\nhandle less than it has demanded that it handle. As somebody in Washington\nput it (whose name I forget), "Congress has become everybody\'s city\ncouncil."\n\n Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than\nenough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its\noriginal jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy.\n\n It is not a case of the system of government they created failing,\nbut that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically\nwanted to avoid. Namely, a concentration of power. It would seem\nthen that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either\nHouse in some attempt to grease the wheels. All you\'ll get then is\na system which moves quicker to do stupid things. It would make more\nsense to make more decisions at a local level.\n\n>|> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be\n>|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You\'ll note that while the\n>|>President\'s veto may be over-ridden, the House can\'t do anything about\n>|>a "veto" by the Senate.\n>\n>The Presiden\'t veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it\n>in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent\n>of being a check on unreasonable legislation. \n\n Please explain to me how Bush abused the veto in an "extraordinary"\nmanner.\n\n>The veto was clearly regarded \n>as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to\n>preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive.\n\n I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were\nplaced on the veto. It could just as easily have been read as a means\nto put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive\'s\nopinion) policies. \n\n There is no limit in the Constitution to the President\'s veto power\nregarding what a bill is for. Previous Presidents have used the veto\nfor any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their\nagenda. I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President\nwho abused vetos.\n\n>the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as\n>a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into\n>the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives\n>of the states is not a reasonable restriction.\n\n Why is it not a reasonable restriction? Because 51 Senators\nis the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based? If 41 Senators\nfeel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and \nfillibuster isn\'t that *enough* to indicate there\'s a sufficient question\nas to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it?\n\n Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which\ncovers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living\nin radically different conditions? Why *shouldn\'t* a super-majority\nbe required?\n\n Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power\nto ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored. I do not\nsee this as a positive thing. And for all that I\'m sure the Republicans\nare looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they\'ve got some legitimate\nobjections to the legislation in question.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft; I\'m beginning to think you don\'t\nlove me anymore." - "Weird Al"\n',
'From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)\nSubject: Some Questions (was: REVISED SUMMARY)\nOrganization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH\nLines: 90\n\n\n\n> Here is a revised version of my summary that corrects some errors and\n> provides some additional information and explanation.\n\nThank you very much. After reading the text some distinct questions\narised to me, which I guess will also be asked by other people. Perhaps\nwould it be interesting to find an answer to these questions ?\n\n\n> THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY\n> N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change)\n\nshorter or longer ?\n\n> Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to\n> encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The\n> telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two\n> values:\n\n> E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and\n> E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field ,\n\n> which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement\n> field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U\n> concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family\n> key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after\n> an authorized wiretap has been installed.\n\nFirst question: When will the LawEnforcmentField be transmitted, and how\ndoes the remote Clipper Chip handle it? Is it transmitted periodically\nin the stream of encrypted blocks, or just at the beginning ? Does the\nphone at the other side discard those packets via a protocol whatsoever,\nor tries it to turn them into voice-output ? (Which would not be disturbing)\n\n\n> At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key\n> escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random\n> 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random\n> 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit\n> keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a\n> function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80.\n\nSecond question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not\na real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-\nsecurity.\n\n\n> When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they\n> will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get\n> access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in\n> place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the\n> Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the\n> family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap\n> has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is\n> then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who\n> return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed\n> together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the\n> session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will\n> be accomplished through a special black box decoder.\n\nSo no (technical) provision will be taken to place a \'timeout\' on these\nwarrants? This would be a unique possibility to realize such a technical\nrestriction, by letting the escrow-agencies perform the decoding of the\nsession key. Just take modem-lines instead of secure fax. Is this such\na bad idea ?\n\n\n> A successor to the Clipper Chip, called "Capstone" by the government\n> and "MYK-80" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include\n> the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the\n> Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast\n> exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for\n> testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for\n> delivery in June or July.\n\nWow! (How does the randomizer work?) Are the SHA (and Key exchange) secret,\nor publicly known ? Key-Exchange is DH, I guess ?\n\nIt seems that those who are opposed to this chip shall have a tough time,\nyour government realy means to act. :-(\n\nFriendly greetings,\n\t Germano Caronni\n\n-- \nInstruments register only through things they\'re designed to register.\nSpace still contains infinite unknowns.\n PGP-Key-ID:341027\nGermano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F\n',
"From: silly@ugcs.caltech.edu (Brad Threatt)\nSubject: Remote file system security\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vex.ugcs.caltech.edu\n\nIn light of my recent paranoia concerning government proposals, I'd love to\nsee a UNIX-based encryption scheme that:\n\n1) Kept some files encrypted on the host machine (say, all the files in your\n home directory)\n2) Used a key system that could not be compromised by eavesdropping over a\n modem line.\n\nIt seems that this would require modifications to a shell program and a\nway of telling whether a file was encrypted or not, among other things.\n\nI'd love to know about potential security holes in such a system.\n\nDoes such a system exist? If it were made easy-to-use and readily\navailable, I think it would be a Good Thing(tm). I realize that this\nwould probably just involve putting a nice front-end on a readily available\nand very secure encryption scheme, but it should be done.\n\nThanks for the ear,\nBrad \n",
'From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)\nSubject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1pqhvu$go8\nReply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says:\n\n>In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:\n>|\n>|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such\n>|a nice boy at RCR I too.\n>\n>And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".\n>\n\n\tYou talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore\nhand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And\na borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don\'t fuck with her man, your making a big\nmistake.\n\n\n\n-- \nGo fast. Take chances.\n\n\tMike S.\n',
'From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng)\nSubject: Re: Centris Cache & Bernoulli Box\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 7\n\nYou will need Driver ver 3.5.2 to work with Quadra/Centris. You can download\nit from iomega BBS: 1-801-778-4400\n\n--\n\nDominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca)\nComputer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada\n',
'From: dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money)\nSubject: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 6\n\nThe subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets\nto Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would\nit be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?\n\nDean Money\ndmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n',
"From: disser@engin.umich.edu (David Disser)\nSubject: 2D bitmap interpolation\nOrganization: University of Michigan\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vesuvius.engin.umich.edu\n\n\nYesterday I wrote a program to do bilinear interpolation ala Numerical\nRecipes, with the PBMPLUS libraries. I'm pretty happy with the results,\nbut I'm looking for any already-coded non-linear interpolation schemes\nbefore I go ahead an try to write one. Any pointers?\n\n--\n\n) Dave Disser UM-CAEN User Services Wealth is wasted\n) disser@engin.umich.edu 229 Chrysler Center on the old.\n) (313) 763-3067 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2092\n",
"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of\nthe time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio\nand everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n",
"From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman)\nSubject: Call for presentations: Navy SciViz/VR seminar\nReply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman)\nOrganization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD\nLines: 74\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n\t\t 2ND CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS\n\t\n NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR\n\n\t\t\tTuesday, June 22, 1993\n\n\t Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center\n\t (formerly the David Taylor Research Center)\n\n\t\t\t Bethesda, Maryland\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nSPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a \none-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. \nThe purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for\nNavy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, \nresearch, developments, and applications.\n\nPRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of \nNavy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All \ncurrent work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy \norganizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are \navailable.\n\n 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length\n 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length\n 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not \n\tattend the seminar)\n 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH)\n\nAccepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, \nhowever, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for \nseminar attendees.\n\nABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to:\n\n Robert Lipman\n Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division\n Code 2042\n Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000\n\n VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 \n E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil\n\nAuthors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, \naddresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author \npapers should designate one point of contact.\n\n**********************************************************************\nDEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. \nNotification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. \nMaterials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993.\n**********************************************************************\n\nFor further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address.\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n\t PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS.\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n\nRobert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil\nDavid Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil\nComputational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618\n Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753\nBethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs\n\t\t\t\t \nThe sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick.\n\n",
'From: chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov (Charles Cilek)\nSubject: How is slugging percentage computed?\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 3\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nSubject line says it all. Thanks in advance. Please email\nchuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov\nGo Cubs!\n',
"From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 59\n\nnicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) writes:\n\n>In <C5y4t7.9w3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> George F. Krumins writes:\n>>It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the\n>>wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be.\n> Umm, perhaps you could explain what 'rights' we are talking about\n>here ..\n> -----------------------------------------------------------------\n>Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi\n>nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici\n>nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni\n\nI was suggesting that the minority of professional and amateur astronomers\nhave the right to a dark, uncluttered night sky.\n\nLet me give you an example. When you watch TV, they have commercials to pay\nfor the programming. You accept that as part of watching. If you don't like\nit, you can turn it off. If you want to view the night sky, and there is a\nfloating billboard out there, you can't turn it off. It's the same \nreasoning that limits billboards in scenic areas.\n\nPat writes:\nGeorge.\n\n\tIt's called a democracy. The majority rules. sorry.\nIf ytou don't like it, I suggest you modify the constitution to include\na constitutional right to Dark Skies. The theory of government\nhere is that the majority rules, except in the nature of fundamental\ncivil rights.\n\nI say: \n\tAny reasonably in-depth perusal of American history will show\n\tyou that many WASPs have continued the practices of prejudice,\n\tdiscrimination, and violence against others of different\n\traces, religions, and beliefs, despite the law.\n\nPat says:\nIf you really are annoyed, get some legislation\nto create a dark sky zone, where in all light emissions are protected\nin the zone. Kind of like the national radio quiet zone. Did you\nknow about that? near teh Radio telescope observatory in West virginia,\nthey have a 90?????? mile EMCON zone. Theoretically they can prevent\nyou from running light AC motors, like air conditioners and Vacuums.\nIn practice, they use it mostly to control large radio users.\n\nI say:\nWhat I'm objecting to here is a floating billboard that, presumably,\nwould move around in the sky. I, for one, am against legislating\nat all. I just wish that people had a bit of common courtesy, and\nwould consider how their greed for money impacts the more ethereal and\naesthetic values that make us human. This includes the need for wild\nand unspoiled things, including the night sky.\n\nGeorge\n-- \n| George Krumins /^\\ The Serpent and the Rainbow | \n| gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu <^^. .^^> |\n| Pufferish Observatory <_ (o) _> |\n| \\_/ | \n",
'From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Why the algorithm is secret\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nLines: 15\n\n\nMy thoughts on why the algorithm is secret :\n\n The chip is (regretably) likely to become a standard. There will\n be many applications where economic factors dictate use of this\n chip, like it or not.\n\n If the alrogithm is public, and the code is as secure (absent the \n access to escrowed keys) as represented, an enterprising sort \n would make "compatible crypto chips for which no key had been\n escrowed". This is likely what the release was refering to when \n they refered to the secrecy of the algorithm protecting the\n security of the escrow system.\n\n rob boudrie\n',
"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils)\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 37\n\nRobbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says:\n>>>\n>>>I mean that the original poster was looking for a Devils victory\n>>>on the tape delay, and it didn't happen in game 1.\n>>\n>>I was the original poster, and it was just a complaint about the\n>>coverage (meaningless Yankee game before playoff Devils game).\n>\n>Oh! I apologize then...I misinterpreted you!\n\nNo problem, no offence taken ...\n\n>Of all the teams in the Patrick, I least dislike the Devils.\n\nIt is sad, just as a lover of the sport, that this team can be in\nthe metro New York area for over a decade and still exist as just\na non-entity ...\n\n>How is ESPN's coverage anyways??? I think it starts tonight.\n\nWe're getting the Sabres-Bruins as the replacement game (and probably\nso are you) while the Devils-Penguins game is played on SCNY and the\nIslanders-Caps are the overflow game on the SCA (SCNY Plus). If the\nSabres-Bruins ends early then we'll go to the Devils-Penguins game\n(assuming that ESPN follows their previous patterns; we got the last\nminute of the Islanders-Rangers and all of the overtime two weeks\nago). ESPN's coverage started last night, by accident, but as one\nor more other writers have pointed out, they could've gone to wild\nhog wrestling for the evening instead ...\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n",
'From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green)\nSubject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first?\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 25\n\nSuppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working\nand had made it first. They could have beaten us if either:\n\n* Their rocket hadn\'t blown up on the pad thus setting them back,\n\nand/or\n\n* A Saturn V went boom.\n\nIf they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone\nhead and done some landings, but we also would have been more\ndetermined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the\nMoon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend\nupon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base\nwould have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think\nthat the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value\nof going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would\nhave concentrated on the moon.\n\n\n/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\\ \n| "I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving\t| \n| the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the \t|\n| Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." \t\t|\n| <John F. Kennedy; May 25, 1961> \t\t|\n',
"From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One )\nSubject: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals?\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 14\n\nAs the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see\nwhy it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have\nany advice? Thanks.\n\n\n _I_______________________________________________________________________I_\n(_@_) (_@_)\n| | Raymond Yeung Internet: Nimbus@uiuc.edu | |\n| | rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | |\n| | EE student at the | |\n| | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | |\n| | at Urbana-Champaign | |\n(___)-------------------------------------------------------------------(___)\n I I\n",
"From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nReply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)\nOrganization: Ministry of Silly Walks\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C5L184.Jo9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)\nwrites:\n>In <1qlapk$d7v@morrow.stanford.edu> salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) \n>writes:\n>>In article <C5JrDE.M4z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike \n>Cobb) writes:\n>>>Theory of Creationism: MY theistic view of the theory of creationism, (there\n>>>are many others) is stated in Genesis 1. In the beginning God created\n>>>the heavens and the earth.\n>\n>> Wonderful, now try alittle imaginative thinking!\n>\n>Huh? Imaginative thinking? What did that have to do with what I said? Would it\n>have been better if I said the world has existed forever and never was created\n>and has an endless supply of energy and there was spontaneous generation of \n>life from non-life? WOuld that make me all-wise, and knowing, and\nimaginative?\n\n No, but at least it would be a theory.\n\n | __L__\n-|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub\n | | o | kv07@iastate.edu\n |/ `---' Iowa State University\n/| ___ Math Department\n | |___| 400 Carver Hall\n | |___| Ames, IA 50011\n J _____\n",
'From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***)\nSubject: Re: Playoff predictions\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 38\n\n\nEverybody. Please send me your predictions for the Stanley Cup Playoffs!\nI want to see who people think will win.!!!!!!!\n\nPlease Send them in this format, or something comparable:\n\n1. Winner of Buffalo-Boston\n2. Winner of Montreal-Quebec\n3. Winner of Pittsburgh-New York\n4. Winner of New Jersey-Washington\n5. Winner of Chicago-(Minnesota/St.Louis)\n6. Winner of Toronto-Detroit\n7. Winner of Vancouver-Winnipeg\n8. Winner of Calgary-Los Angeles\n\n9. Winner of Adams Division (1-2 above)\n10. Winner of Patrick Division (3-4 above)\n11. Winner of Norris Division (5-6 above)\n12. Winner of Smythe Division (7-8 above)\n\n13. Winner of Wales Conference (9-10 above)\n14. Winner of Campbell Conference (11-12 above)\n\n15. Winner of Stanley Cup (13-14 above)\n\nI will summarize the predictions, and see who is the biggest\nINTERNET GURU PREDICTING GUY/GAL.\n\nSend entries to Richard Madison\nrrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca\n\nPS: I will send my entries to one of you folks so you know when I say\nI won, that I won!!!!!\n\n:)\n\n\n\n',
'From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nOrganization: Brotherhood Of Breath\nLines: 8\n\nI thought that Walt Weiss was jewish. I seem to recall this\nwas mentioned once while he was still at Oakland.\n\nAlso, I have my suspicions about Esther Canseco (nee Haddad).\n\n\n--Gidi\n\n',
'From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)\nSubject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department\nKeywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.150736.15793@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com writes:\n>\n>Ask the Brits. Enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now\n>use them under only certain "controlled" circumstances. And they are fired\n>from something that looks like a tear gas launcher.\n>\n>There are smaller rubber bullets and pellets (for shotguns). I understand that\n>they are only intended to be discouragers, ie. for the snapping but not truly\n>dangerous animal. In general, they do not seem capable of really stopping\n>someone who wants you or past you. They are fired at very low muzzle velocity\n>(the .38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load). Finally, as your mother\n>warned you, you can put an eye out with that thing. :-)\n>--\n\tOh, OK. Just wondering. I am not a real expert on weapons, I was just\nwondering if they would do the job.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n',
"From: rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu (Robert Stephens)\nSubject: Compressor Problem\nNntp-Posting-Host: dexter.psych.umn.edu\nOrganization: University of Minnesota\nLines: 18\n\nI have a stereo compressor-limiter by \nAudio Logic (Model MT-66). The gates work,\nbut the compressor seems to be gone on one\nchannel, and very weak on the other. \n\nI'll probably need an ocsilloscope to trace it\ndown (no pun intended), but if any one with\nexperience with this type of equipment could\npoint me in a certain direction as to where the \ncircuit is most likely to fail, I'd sure appreciate it.\n\n\n-- \nRobert C. Stephens\t\trob@dexter.psych.umn.edu\t\t\n\nHuman Factors Research Lab\nUniversity of Minnesota\n\n",
'From: capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli)\nSubject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nLines: 16\n\nIn <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl> Ferdinand Oeinck writes:\n>I\'m looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double\n>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n\nSee:\n Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,\n "A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves",\n ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163.\n_______________________________________________________________________\n\n...Ron Capelli IBM Corp. Dept. C13, MS. P230\n capelli@vnet.ibm.com PO Box 950\n (914) 435-1673 Poughkeepsie, NY 12602\n_______________________________________________________________________\n\n"There are no answers, only cross references."\n',
"Subject: STARGARDTS DISEASE\nFrom: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)\nOrganization: The Old Frog's Almanac\nKeywords: stargardts\nLines: 12\n\nThanks to aldridge@netcom.com, I now know a bit more about Stargardt's\ndisease, aka juvenile macular distrophy, but I would like to learn more.\n\nFirst, what is the general prognosis - is blindness the result?\nSecond, what treatments, if any, are available?\n\n\n-- \nThe Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher \n (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT \n Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island \nwith public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac\n",
'From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: The \'pill\' for Deer = No Hunting\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 144\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n\n> > You might have missed the U.S. News & World Report excerpt\n> > I posted. It is fairly consistant with other such polls, finding\n> > that approximately 40-50% of households have at least one firearm.\n\n> \tOK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still\n> \tclaim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even\n> \tthreaten anyone with them.\n\n500,000 to 1,000,000 self-defense incidents a YEAR doesn\'t count with you?\n\n> What do they do right ... or are\n> \tthey just lucky ? \n\nMaybe they\'re just UNLUCKY. If a rapist pulls a woman into an alley\nin Boston, chances are almost certain that she won\'t be counted \nas one of those self-defenders because our local constabulary didn\'t\nconsider it important that she be allowed to arm herself. Even though\nthe shotgun she owns at home makes her show up in the "gun owner" column.\n\n> In either case, this means the \'average\n> \tthreat level\' in this country is rather low. \n\nIronic words for somebody who lives in Florida. The "average threat\nlevel" in Florida has been REDUCED by a liberal CCW policy. It\'s well\nknown that your local thugs like to target tourists precisely because \nthey are less likely to be carrying than your natives. Come on up to\nBoston, or NYC, or Washington DC, and see how much diddlysquat the \n"average threat level in the country" means to a resident there.\n\n> \tI think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these\n> \talternative means of self-protection involved any hardware.\n> \tWhy are \'good\' neighborhoods \'good\' ? It isn\'t because every\n> \tperson is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude\n> \tand (2) cooperation. In the \'good\' neighborhoods, the residents\n> \tmake themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when\n> \tstrangers are lurking around. \'Good\' neighborhoods form groups\n> \tlike \'crime-watch\' to increase this effect, and the relative\n> \teffectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the\n> \tgood neighbors step up and say "THAT\'S the one officer ! He\n> \twas robbing Mr. Jones\' house". \n\nSometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors \non the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once\ntold a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I\'ve misplaced the\noriginal text, but the story started with one resident calling the \ncops on a gang member. Sure enough, a few nights later, there was a \ndrive-by performed at the resident\'s house. Except that this time,\nunlike in LA, the entire street came out and returned fire, putting\nan end to the car\'s occupants. The gang packed up and left.\n\nOf course, in LA, or in a place like Florida after the hurricane,\nyour first problem is to FIND an officer to step up to and tell\nanything.\n\n> \tIn short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at\n> \tleast a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative.\n> \tReplace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better\n> \tconversationalist too and you can invite it over for a\n> \tblock party. \n\nLook, nobody is arguing this. I have a fire extinguisher at home. \nThat doesn\'t mean I can be careless about tossing my burnt matches \non the carpet. I live carefully, monitor the woodstove, get my flue\ncleaned twice a year, and test my smoke alarms annually. But if --\nDESPITE all this -- a fire does start, it\'s too late for any of\nthese things EXCEPT the extinguisher.\n\n> > But legality and legitimacy also matter. If a government\'s charter\n> > makes a rule, which the government then violates, it is violated the\n> > basis for its existance. Enforcement of its will becomes a matter\n> > solely of force of arms.\n> \n> \tOliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many\n> \tall-American \'conservative\' quarters. He and Big Ron\n> \tset-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely\n> \tillegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing\n> \ttwenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all\n> \tthe time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really\n> \tcares anymore. \'Legitimacy\' is a non-issue. Legality is\n> \ta non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who\n> \tgives a rats ass ? \n\nYou seem to be agreeing with your opponent. You can\'t trust your\ngovernment to protect you from abusers and violators -- white-collar,\nblue-collar, epauletted, or tank-shirted. Ultimately, no one has the\npower to enforce your "rights" but you. Unless you\'ve given up that \npower.\n\n> \tNo. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical\n> \taspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue.\n\nToo many people fit that category, that is true. Some of us like to\nbelieve that they are uninterested in the facts behind the case for gun \nownership because they\'ve been conditioned to believe that there AREN\'T \nany. You seem content to underestimate the electorate; I\'m willing to\ntry to raise their consciousness.\n\n> \tArgue away ... you can\'t win. \n\nI think we can.\n\nHCI was founded in what, 1980? In the mid-80\'s, they ran a "One \nMillion Strong!" campaign for two years before reaching this goal. \nMy understanding is that they "reached" it by the stratagem of including\nwide classes of people other than dues-paying members. (I can\'t speak\nauthoritatively on this -- maybe somebody else has details.) Then they\nstarted running a "Two Million Strong!" campaign for a while -- but they\nlet it slip into unannounced obscurity when it became clear that they\nsimply were never going to reach that level of membership.\n\nIn 1964, just after the commencement of the Dodd Hearings -- the starting\npoint of the modern gun-control movement, the NRA had a mere 625,000 members. \nBy 1968, barely after the first murmurs of future registration, it had \nabout a million. Today, it has over three million members, making it the\nthird largest membership organization in the country (next to AARP and AAA).\nAnd its membership is GROWING FASTER than at any previous time. (Historical\nfigures from Kukla\'s "Gun Control," pp. 61 and 420.)\n\nAs you say, many of the people in the middle of this debate are bemused\nby their T-bones and MTV. That leaves hard-core gun-owners against \nhard-core gun banners.\n\nI know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members.\nI\'ve never heard of a single one who has gone the other way.\n\nYes, I think we can and will win this one.\n\n> \tFirearms-related mindless mayhem will be related to the\n> \tavailibility of firearms. If they become scarce and \n> \tand expensive, a different psychology will take hold.\n> \tI *think* they would be used far less to settle trivial\n> \tcomplaints. \n\nI think they would be used far less to hammer nails, as well, but,\nlike you, I can\'t give any citation showing that this utilization is\nCURRENTLY significant at more than an anecdotal level. If you can, \nI\'m waiting.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors\' Packet...\n\n',
"From: rap@coconut.cis.ufl.edu (Ryan Porter)\nSubject: Re: DMORPH\nArticle-I.D.: snoopy.1pqlhnINN8k1\nOrganization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.\nLines: 34\nNNTP-Posting-Host: coconut.cis.ufl.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.183303.6442@usl.edu> jna8182@ucs.usl.edu (Armstrong Jay N) writes:\n>Can someone please tell me where I can ftp DTA or DMORPH?\n\nDMorf (Dave's Morph, I think is what it means) and DTax (Dave's \nTGA Assembler) are available in the MSDOS_UPLOADS directory\non the wuarchive.\n\nThey are arjed and bundled with their respective xmemory versions,\ndmorfx.exe and dtax.exe, you can also find a version of aaplay.exe\nthere, with which you can view files you create with dta.exe or\ndtax.exe.\n\nI downloaded the whole bunch last week and have been morphing \naway the afternoons since. The programmes are all a bit buggy and\ndefinitely not-ready-to-spread-to-the-masses, but they are very\nwell written. \n\nThe interface is frustrating at first, but it gets easy once you\nfigure out the tricks.\n\nI have noticed that dmorfx will crash horribly if you try to morph\nwithout using the splines option. Not sure why, since I don't have\nthe source. I think it was written for TP 6.0.\n\nIf anyone else comes up with any other hints on getting the thing \nto work right, tell me; it took me several hours the first time\njust to figure out that if I just used the durned splines then \nit would work...\n\n>JNA\n>jna8182@usl.edu\n\n-Ryan\nrap@cis.ufl.edu\n",
'From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:\n>|>\n>|>..[cancellum]... \n>|>\n>\n>\n>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;\n>\n>ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE\n>WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS \n>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of\n>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. \n>\n>\n\nIt is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in\ntheir signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your\nposting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid\naddressing ladies with "Mr.", as you have done.\n\nSecondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has\nnever been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed\nof Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and\nthe demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey\'s \nmilitary intervention to it under international agreements.\n\nBe that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what\nis going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist\npolicy that Armenia is now pursuing.\n\nBut, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political\nconduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as\n"itchy-bitchy"... \n\nOnur Yalcin\n\n-- \n',
"From: walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup)\nSubject: Re: Menangitis question\nOrganization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle\nDistribution: na\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <19439@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>... the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common\n>forms of meningitis. It's the one that sometimes sweeps\n>schools or boot camp. It is contagious and kills by attacking\n>the covering of the brain, causing the blood vessels to thrombose\n>and the brain to swell up.\n>\n>\t...\n>\n>It can live in the throat of carriers. Don't worry, you won't get \n>it from them, especially if they took the medication.\n\nAssuming one has been cultured as having a throat laden with\nneiseria meningococcus and given (and taken) a course of ERYC \nwithout the culture becoming negative, should one worry about\nbeing a carrier? \n\n-- Elizabeth\n walkup@cs.washington.edu\n",
'From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Fred and Tom, ad naseum\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 189\n\n>>Nick sez;\nI\'m not very impressed by the old so-called "prospecting" work from\nLPI, it has almost all been geared towards industrially silly processes on\nthe moon as an excuse to put astronauts there. [...]\n\n>>Fred replies;\nTranslation: It doesn\'t support the Nick Szabo Vision of the Future\nto Which You MUST Subscribe...\n\n>Tom sez;\nFred, we\'re all supporting what each of us thinks should be done, to some\ndegree. If you have a problem with what Nick thinks should be done,\naddress it, instead of just complaining about his doing so.\n\n>Fred again;\nYou really don\'t get what the \'complaints\' are about, do you?\n [not incredibly clear explanation of complaints...something between\n feelings regarding Nick\'s method, and judgments about his meaning]\n\nT\n>>Maybe I\'d get it if you said what the complaints are about, rather than\n>>doing the same things that you mean to complain about. When you trash\n>>people, how am I supposed to read that as \'trashing people is bad\'?\n\nF\n>Gee, funny that you get it now, then? Deliberate obtuseness, perhaps?\n\n*** Fred\'s issue #1; Nick\'s alleged trashing of others ***\n\nI only got it when you stopped trashing, and made your point patently,\ninstead of \'allegorically\'. That was my point all along, Fred.\n\n>>>>Not only\n>>>>do you do the same thing on the net (honestly reporting your ideas\n>>>>on matters of policy and projects in space), but your response was just\n>>>>baiting, not even part of a debate.\n\n>>>I have yet to see Nick enter into anything remotely resembling "a\n>>>debate". I see him flame anyone or anything who disagrees with The\n>>>One True Szabo Plan; I see him attacking people, calling them "lazy\n>>>bastard" because they had the temerity to disagree with the Almight\n>>>Nick; I see him questioning peoples ethics, again because they had the\n>>>temerity to disagree with Lord God Szabo. But debate? BWAAaaahhhaaaa.\n\n>>I\'m glad you can laugh, since your ratio of debate/insult is about the same.\n\n>Not even close, Tommy, and generally only when I\'m dealing with\n>someone like Nick.\n\nI see we are dealing with a problem in a conflict of interpretations, not\nleast of which is your belief that only you can adequately judge what is\nand is not debate. Suffice to say that I disagree with you on that last\npoint. Why don\'t you take a poll, Fred, if you want some psuedo-objective\npoint-of-view?\n\nAnd, as usual, you defend your insults with "he started it." "Yeah, I\ntook some of his research and called it my own, but he started it." "So\nwhat if I stole his car, he stole my lawnmower first." Besides that, I\nthink it\'s still open to interpretation whether Nick actually did start it.\nSo your defense, besides being lame, and contradicting the first part of\nthe sentence in which it occurs, may not even apply anyway.\n\nYour defense reminds me of the guy that broke the borrowed tool: "I\nnever borrowed it, I already gave it back, and it was broken when you\ngave it to me." Make up yer mind, Fred!\n\n>>>>I\'m not convinced that people are necessary in all parts of every space-\n>>>>based process, and your response doesn\'t tell me a thing about the\n>>>>reasons why you think they should be, except to impune the motives of\n>>>>the person with a divergent opinion.\n\n>>>Who said I think they should be, Tommy? Show me a note where I said\n>>>that and I\'ll eat this terminal. ****See below, Fred****\n\n>>Fred, I cocluded that you did, since you took issue with it. The fact\n>>that my conclusion was incorrect, i.e. that you were taking issue with\n>>something different, is evidence that your communication style is\n>>confusing.\n\n>Or evidence that your reading and comprehension style are inadequate.\n\nFirst, I try to address what I think you meant, for which I am rewarded\nwith a denial of sorts, and a smart remark. Then, I point out that I am\nnot clear what you did mean, rather than risking your childish ire, wrongly\ninterpreting you a second time, and I\'m stupid for it. I just can\'t win,\ncan I, Fred? You\'ve got a great point here somewhere, it\'s just that\nbetween stupid people that you must insult, and your jealous guarding of\nyour valuable opinions, you never actually get around to making it.\n\n>Please quote the \'it\' I took issue with. I believe you will see (if\n>you look) that what I was and am taking issue with is Mr Szabo\'s idea\n>that the manned program should be scrapped until such time as his\n>toaster-based infrastructure is finished. All Hail the Szabo Plan!\n\n*** Fred issue #2; Nick\'s alleged meaning ***\n\nToo bad the plan only exists in your mind, instead of Nick\'s, or you\nwould have a really good point. Instead you have provided a good reason\nto ignore your insults, since they are based on incorrect interpretations\nthat you have made about others. Forgive me for giving your insults more\nmeaning than they ever should have had.\n\nMy reading of what Nick actually said is that "people aren\'t required in\nall parts of all space processes", so your taking issue with his opinions\nregarding people in the space program, I read as "People are required in\nall parts of all space processes." So, help me out, here, Fred, since I\'m\nso patently stupid. Did you read Nick wrong? Or are you going to eat\nyour terminal now? If the latter, I sure hope it\'s one of those Cheeto and\nstring models that all the computer mags have been raving about :-)\n\nThe point is, _I_ am not stupid because of _your_ incorrect assumption. I\'d\nonly be stupid if I insulted you for having made it. But, alas, that\'s your\njob, Fred.\n\nAnd, finally, your style is confusing, since you tried to make two points,\nsimultaneously, with an allegory/insult. Sadly, one point addressed a \'plan\'\nthat only existed in your mind, and the other took issue with behaviors that\nyou do as much as anyone.\n\n>More deliberate lack of understanding, Tommy?\n\nNo, no, I finally got it. You don\'t like the plan that Nick\'s posts made\nyou imagine. And you don\'t like Nick\'s obnoxious behavior, even though\nit\'s no worse than your own. Thanks for taking the time with someone as\ndense as myself.\n\n>>>>If you have a problem with Nick\'s delivery, address that. The way you\n>>>>bait, you\'re perpetuating the lack of discourse that you complain of.\n\n>>>No, Tommy, the \'bait\' is that which elicits the response. *NICK*\n>>>\'baits\'; I just flame him for being an obnoxious fool.\n\n>>I don\'t really care who started it. I read this list to get information\n>>and other\'s views on the issues to which it was dedicated, not to be\n>>your Mom (He started it! No, he did!) or to hear about why Nick is a very\n>>bad guy. If you think flaming is bad, stop flaming, or at least get to\n>>the point in the first post, instead of explaining yourself all the time.\n\n>That\'s nice, Tommy. When you pay me to post to the net you can\n>complain about not getting your money\'s worth. Perhaps if you weren\'t\n>(deliberately?) too thick to get the point the first time I wouldn\'t\n>have to waste time "explaining [myself] all the time"?\n\nOf course, Socrates. How could it be otherwise?\n\n>I think it\'s neat how all this criticism from you started after your\n>\'fatherly\' admonitions to me about how such things should be handled\n>outside Usenet were somewhat rebuffed. Being a little hypocritical,\n>Tommy (to go with the immaturity)? Or is this just the pique of a\n>net.ghod wannabe who got turned down by someone he *thought* was new\n>(and hence could be \'instructed\' -- Tommy, I saw you come on the net).\n\nWho cares who came on the net first? If you do, consider that you saw\nme come on after a brief haitus, before which I was on for about 2 years.\nIf you had seen me on the net first, you\'d remember when Nick and I went\ndown exactly the same road regarding rude, unneccesary behavior. It\'s\njust amazing to me that you continue to take issue with behavior that\'s\nno worse than your own.\n\nLet\'s see here, my complaints about your obnoxious behavior are hypocritical,\nwhile your flames against people you decide are flamers isn\'t, and my\ncomplaints about your name-calling are immature, while your name-calling\nisn\'t. Yeah, right. Maybe if you called me some more names, I might\nsee it better, Fred.\n\n"Net.ghod wannabe"? Naturally, Fred, you\'ve correctly interpreted my\nmotivations, when yours are impossible to judge from your actions (as\nyour insulting of people that try, proves). I didn\'t really care about\npeople that fill the net with personal garbage, what I really wanted was to\nimpress everyone. I only put my complaints with your behavior on private\nmail, not because it belongs there, but because I thought you were such a\njerk that you\'d bring it back to the Net, playing right into my hands.\nAlas, I had no idea what an intellectual master you were, turning tables and\nbringing the history of these posts to the net, for the noble and valuable\npurpose of embarassing me. Whether I should feel stupid because I tried\nto make suggestions to such a superior intellect, or becuase I tried to\ncommunicate like an adult with a self-righteous ass, still isn\'t clear.\n\nWell, Fred, you exposed me. Now I\'ll never be able to get a(nother) job\nwith NASA, since they all know that I\'m stupider than Fred McCall. Well,\nI just hope you\'re happy. Please leave me alone, now. I just don\'t\nhave the heart to attempt keeping up with one so far above me. Maybe Nick\nor Pat can approach your high standards, but I\'m dropping it now.\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: YTKIM@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (YONG T KIM)\nSubject: WINNLS.DLL?\nOrganization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\n\n\nI tried to install a foreign language Windows application\nthat required a file named WINNLS.DLL. I checked all of my\nWIndows 3.1 installation disks for this file, but could not\nfind it. Does anybody have any idea what this file is for and\nwhere one could get it from?\n\n',
'From: inu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (I Rachmat)\nSubject: Fractal compression\nSummary: looking for good reference\nKeywords: fractal\nOrganization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.\nLines: 6\n\nHi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at \nfractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx\n\ninu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au\ninu530n@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au\n\n',
'From: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani)\nSubject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: ricks\nReply-To: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani)\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nX-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-2\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> you write:\n|>>After having used both Syqyest and Bernoulli\'s, I most enthuiastically\n|>>recommend\n|>>Bernoulli\'s. Syquests (although more popular) are much slower, prone to\n|>>cartridge\n|>\n|>What does your friends have? Buy it.\n|>\n|>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical and stop\n\nI bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of\n diffrent storage solutions,\nOPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli.\n\nSince I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev\ne disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies\nalot. you ran out of storage real fast.\n\nIMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge\n\nHomayoon Akhiani "Turning Ideas into ... Reality"\nDigital Equipment Corporation "Alpha, The New Beginning"\n77 Reed Rd. Hudson, MA 01701 "All Rights Reserved. Copyright(c)1993"\nEmail: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com "The words are mine, and not my employer"\n',
'From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)\nSubject: Re: nuclear waste\nOrganization: University of Rochester\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <843@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:\n\n>> The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being\n>> built is that there isn\'t any reason to do so. Natural uranium is\n>> still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks\n>> technically reasonable.\n>>\n>\n>\tNovember/December, 1987 page 21 - "Science and Technology in Japan".\n>\t\t\tSeawater Uranium Recovery Experiment\n>\t"The ground uranium reserves are estimated at about 3.6 million tons,\n> and it is anticipated that the demand and supply balance will collapse by the\n> end of the 20th century. In Japan, a resources poor country, technological\n> development are now under way to economically collect uranium dissolved in\n> seawater. The total quanity of uranium dissolved in seawater is estimated\n> to be about 4.6 billion tons, a huge amount when compared with ground uranium\n> reserves......."\n\n\nI hate to pour cold water on this, but currently seawater extracted\nuranium, even using the new, improved fiber absorbers from Japan, is\nabout 20 times more expensive than uranium on the spot market.\nUranium is *very* cheap right now, around $10/lb. Right now, there\nare mines closing because they can\'t compete with places like Cigar\nLake in Canada (where the ore is so rich they present safety hazards\nto the mines, who work in shielded vehicles). Plenty of other sources\n(for example, uranium from phosphate processing) would come on line before\nuranium reached $200/lb.\n\n"Demand and supply balance will collapse" is nonsense. Supply and\ndemand always balance; what changes is the price. Is uranium going\nto increase in price by a factor of 20 by the end of the century?\nNot bloody likely. New nuclear reactors are not being built\nat a sufficient rate.\n\nUranium from seawater is interesting, but it\'s a long term project, or\na project that the Japanese might justify on grounds of\nself-sufficiency.\n\n\tPaul F. Dietz\n\tdietz@cs.rochester.edu\n',
"From: bbs.mirage@tsoft.net (Jerry Lee)\nSubject: Cobra 2.0 1-b-1 Video card HELP ME!!!!\nOrganization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238\nLines: 22\n\nDoes ANYONE out there in Net-land have any information on the Cobra 2.20 \ncard? The sticker on the end of the card reads\n Model: Cobra 1-B-1\n Bios: Cobra v2.20\n\nI Havn't been able to find anything about it from anyone! If you have \nany information on how to get a hold of the company which produces the \ncard or know where any drivers are for it, PLEASE let me know!\n\nAs far as I can tell, it's a CGA card that is taking up 2 of my 16-bit \nISA slots but when I enable the test patterns, it displays much more than \nthe usualy 4 CGA colors... At least 16 from what I can count.. Thanks!\n\n .------------------------------------------.\n : Internet: jele@eis.calstate.edu :\n : bbs.mirage@gilligan.tsoft.net :\n : bbs.mirage@tsoft.sf-bay.org :\n : mirage@thetech.com :\n : UUCP : apple.com!tsoft!bbs.mirage :\n `------------------------------------------'\n \n Computer and Video Imaging Major\n",
'From: lochem@fys.ruu.nl (Gert-Jan van Lochem)\nSubject: Dutch: symposium compacte objecten\nSummary: U wordt uitgenodigd voor het symposium compacte objecten 26-4-93\nKeywords: compacte objecten, symposium\nOrganization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands\nLines: 122\n\nSterrenkundig symposium \'Compacte Objecten\'\n op 26 april 1993\n\n\nIn het jaar 1643, zeven jaar na de oprichting van de\nUniversiteit van Utrecht, benoemde de universiteit haar\neerste sterrenkundige waarnemer. Hiermee ontstond de tweede\nuniversiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld. Aert Jansz, de eerste\nwaarnemer, en zijn opvolgers voerden de Utrechtse sterrenkunde\nin de daaropvolgende jaren, decennia en eeuwen naar de\nvoorhoede van het astronomisch onderzoek. Dit jaar is het 350\njaar geleden dat deze historische benoeming plaatsvond.\n\nDe huidige generatie Utrechtse sterrenkundigen en studenten\nsterrenkunde, verenigd in het Sterrekundig Instituut Utrecht,\nvieren de benoeming van hun \'oervader\' middels een breed scala\naan feestelijke activiteiten. Zo is er voor scholieren een\nplanetenproject, programmeert de Studium Generale een aantal\nvoordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema en wordt op de Dies\nNatalis aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt. Er\nstaat echter meer op stapel.\n\nStudenten natuur- en sterrenkunde kunnen op 26 april aan een\nsterrenkundesymposium deelnemen. De onderwerpen van het\nsymposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van de zwaartepunten van het\nhuidige Utrechtse onderzoek: het onderzoek aan de zogeheten\n\'compacte objecten\', de eindstadia in de evolutie van sterren.\nBij de samenstelling van het programma is getracht de\ndeelnemer een zo aktueel en breed mogelijk beeld te geven van\nde stand van zaken in het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia. In de\neerste, inleidende lezing zal dagvoorzitter prof. Lamers een\nbeknopt overzicht geven van de evolutie van zware sterren,\nwaarna de zeven overige sprekers in lezingen van telkens een\nhalf uur nader op de specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten\nzullen ingaan. Na afloop van elke lezing is er gelegenheid tot\nhet stellen van vragen. Het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt op\neen apart vel.\nHet niveau van de lezingen is afgestemd op tweedejaars\nstudenten natuur- en sterrenkunde. OOK ANDERE BELANGSTELLENDEN\nZIJN VAN HARTE WELKOM!\n\nTijdens de lezing van prof. Kuijpers zullen, als alles goed\ngaat, de veertien radioteleskopen van de Radiosterrenwacht\nWesterbork worden ingezet om via een directe verbinding tussen\nhet heelal, Westerbork en Utrecht het zwakke radiosignaal van\neen snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren, een zogeheten pulsar,\nin de symposiumzaal door te geven en te audiovisualiseren.\nProf. Kuijpers zal de binnenkomende signalen (elkaar snel\nopvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling) bespreken en\ntrachten te verklaren.\nHet slagen van dit unieke experiment staat en valt met de\ntechnische haalbaarheid ervan. De op te vangen signalen zijn\nnamelijk zo zwak, dat pas na een waarnemingsperiode van 10\nmiljoen jaar genoeg energie is opgevangen om een lamp van 30\nWatt een seconde te laten branden! Tijdens het symposium zal\ner niet zo lang gewacht hoeven te worden: de hedendaagse\ntechnologie stelt ons in staat live het heelal te beluisteren.\n\nDeelname aan het symposium kost f 4,- (exclusief lunch) en\nf 16,- (inclusief lunch). Inschrijving geschiedt door het\nverschuldigde bedrag over te maken op ABN-AMRO rekening\n44.46.97.713 t.n.v. stichting 350 JUS. Het gironummer van de\nABN-AMRO bank Utrecht is 2900. Bij de inschrijving dient te\nworden aangegeven of men lid is van de NNV. Na inschrijving\nwordt de symposiummap toegestuurd. Bij inschrijving na\n31 maart vervalt de mogelijkheid een lunch te reserveren.\n\nHet symposium vindt plaats in Transitorium I,\nUniversiteit Utrecht.\n\nVoor meer informatie over het symposium kan men terecht bij\nHenrik Spoon, p/a S.R.O.N., Sorbonnelaan 2, 3584 CA Utrecht.\nTel.: 030-535722. E-mail: henriks@sron.ruu.nl.\n\n\n\n******* DAGPROGRAMMA **************************************\n\n\n 9:30 ONTVANGST MET KOFFIE & THEE\n\n10:00 Opening\n Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers (Utrecht)\n\n10:10 Dubbelster evolutie\n Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers\n\n10:25 Radiopulsars\n Prof. dr. J.M.E. Kuijpers (Utrecht)\n\n11:00 Pulsars in dubbelster systemen\n Prof. dr. F. Verbunt (Utrecht)\n\n11:50 Massa & straal van neutronensterren\n Prof. dr. J. van Paradijs (Amsterdam)\n\n12:25 Theorie van accretieschijven\n Drs. R.F. van Oss (Utrecht)\n\n13:00 LUNCH\n\n14:00 Hoe zien accretieschijven er werkelijk uit?\n Dr. R.G.M. Rutten (Amsterdam)\n\n14:35 Snelle fluktuaties bij accretie op neutronensterren\n en zwarte gaten\n Dr. M. van der Klis (Amsterdam)\n\n15:10 THEE & KOFFIE\n\n15:30 Zwarte gaten: knippen en plakken met ruimte en tijd\n Prof. dr. V. Icke (leiden)\n\n16:05 afsluiting\n\n16:25 BORREL\n\n-- \nGert-Jan van Lochem\t \\\\\t\t"What is it?"\nFysische informatica\t \\\\\t"Something blue"\nUniversiteit Utrecht \\\\\t"Shapes, I need shapes!"\n030-532803\t\t\t\\\\\t\t\t- HHGG -\n',
"From: wilie.wilson@analog.com ( willie wilson )\nSubject: Experiences of DESQview/X? \nReply-To: willie.wilson@analog.com\nOrganization: Analog Devices B.V., Limerick, IRELAND\nLines: 19\n\nI need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely\nMicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to\nbe expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The\ncurrent proposal is to use DESQview/X as a display server for the\napplication.\n\nI would like to know your experiences with using DESQview/X to run an\napplication on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that\nthe network traffic is slow.\n\nReplies only by e-mail please.\n\nThanks, in advance.\n---\n ,__o\n _-\\_<,\n...Willie (*)/'(*)\nwillie.wilson@analog.com\n\n",
'From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nSubject: Re: Info about New Age!\nReply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nOrganization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1qvnu9$a8a@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> hawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:\n>Greetings! Could anybody here give me any information about New Age religion?\n>About the history, the teachings, ...??? Or may be suggestions what books I \n>should read in order to get those info? Any help would be greatly appreciated.\n\n\nContact: WATCHMAN FELLOWSHIP\n P.O. Box 171194\n Holladay, UT 84117-1194\n\nAsk for their book: The New Age and Space Age Heresies\n The New Age In Our Schools\n',
'From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hasit Mehta)\nSubject: New \'94 Talon?????\nKeywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ??\nNntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu\nOrganization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)\nLines: 12\n\nIn article:\n\nIs there such a thing as the new \'94 Eagle Talon? I heard from a freind that\nthe new \'94 Talons have been released? Is this true and if so what are the\ndifferences between the \'93 and \'94? Any opinions? I would appreciate any\nreplies and I would also prefer E-mail, thanks!\n\n-- \nHasit S. Mehta ****************************\nUniversity of Rochester * PRIMUS SUCKS! *\nhm002b@UHURA.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU ****************************\n______"I do believe in Captain Crunch, for I am the frizzle fry"______\n',
'From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)\nSubject: FOR SALE: C-128 system w/Printer : $130 OBO\nNntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 20\n\n=========================\ncommodore 128\nepson homewriter 10 9 pin printer\n1571 d/s disk drive\n2 joysticks\n1 mouse\nlotsa software, both games and apps.\nrapid fire joystick adapter\n==========================\nabout a year old\n\n$130 OBO\n\n-- \n**********************************************************************\nC_ommon \tpchang@ic.sunysb.edu \t\t\nS_ense\t\tState University of New York @ Stony Brook \nE_ngineer\t\n**********************************************************************\n\n',
'From: tom@CapMgtSci.COM (Thomas Tulinsky)\nSubject: MANUAL unsubscribe REQUEST\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nI am on the list under two addresses, I think:\n\ttom@capmgtsci.com\nand\n\tzuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com\n\nPlease delete the second one, \n\tzuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com\n\nThanks. Sorry for the screw up.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom Tulinsky\t\tCapital Management Sciences\t West Los Angeles\ntom@CapMgtSci.com\t 310 479 9715\n',
'From: robink@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Robin Kenny)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Whoosh......\nOrganization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]\nLines: 26\n\nDavid Fuzzy Wells (wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:\n\n: I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a\n: really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a\n: Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. \n\n: <BOOM!> Whooooooooshhhhhh...... <sputter, sputter>\n\n: <okay, PRETEND it would make a sound!>\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nJust a thought... (let\'s pretend it IS INFLATED and PRESSURIZED) wouldn\'t\nthere be a large static electricity build up around the puncture?\nIf the metalization is behind a clear sandwich (ie. insulated) then the \ndeflating balloon would generate electrical interference - "noise"\n\nBy the way, any serious high velocity impact would simply cut a "Bugs\nBunny" hole through the wall, highly unlikely to "BOOM", and the fabric\nwould almost certainly be ripstop.\n\n\nRegards, Robin Kenny - a private and personal opinion, not in any way\n endorsed, authorised or known by my employers.\n ______________________________________________________________________\n What the heck would I know about Space? I\'m stuck at the \n bottom of this huge gravity well!\n',
"From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 11\n\ntimmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:\n\n>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the\n>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people\n>unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed millions of\n>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! How can\n>anyone be worse than that?\n\nYou're right. And David Koresh claimed to be a Christian.\n\n\n",
"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)\nSubject: Re: MGBs and the real world\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1qlg02$iu6@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:\n>Have you driven a TURBO converted\n>MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary\n>would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it?\n\nno, but somebody's dropped a ford 302 V-8 into the miata, somewhat\nreminiscent of the shelby cobra. the car's obviously not as nimble\nas before, but it's supposed to have a near 50/50 weight distribution\nand handle very well. i'd sure love to drive one.\n\n-teddy\n",
"From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)\nSubject: Russian Phobos Mission\nOrganization: California State University, Sacramento\nLines: 6\n\n\n Did the Russian spacecraft(s) on the ill-fated Phobos mission a few\nyears ago send back any images of the Martian moon? If so, does anyone know if\nthey're housed at an ftp site?\n Thanks.\n \n",
"From: langley@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Randolph Langley)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: FSU Supercomputer Computations Research Institute\nLines: 8\nIn-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of 16 Apr 93 15:19:06 GMT\n\n\nGee, I guess they should also have such a repository for house keys,\ncar keys, safety deposit keys, ... :-(\n\nrdl\n--\n\n\n",
'From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost \'Stars\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <DT642B1w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes:\n> Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL \n>franchise in the first place!\n>Whatta weird town!!!!!\n\n\tWhatta ass!!!!!\n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS! ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n',
'From: danc@procom.com (Daniel Cossack)\nSubject: Re: The truth of the Bible\nOrganization: Procom Technology, Inc.\nLines: 44\n\nsodium.asc.slb.com@asc.slb.com (Michael A. Montgomery) writes:\n\n>I believe that the God has preserved the Bible perfectly in that it\n>perfectly conveys all of the truth that He intended. This He has done\n\nOh yea? Which version of the Bible is the perfectly preserved one? And\nwhy are there so many translations that are not perfectly preserved? Is\nGod trying to confuse us?\n\n>Minor changes in wording or even accidental omission of passages in some\n>manuscripts does not change the truth being conveyed, nor would it lead a\n>serious student into doctrinal error. (Note also that God provided many\n\nBut that is exactly what happend. There are so many branches of \ndenominations of Christianity and deviations of doctrine portruding\nfrom varying translations of biblical texts by "serious students" that\nare much too numerous to begin to count. If there is a Perfect Bible,\nthen there would be no possible misinterpretation and there would be\nno need for anyone here to be debating it. On the other hand, maybe\nthe Bible is perfect, but no one on this planet is perfect enough to\nread it correctly, but then there would be no point in God giving us\nsomething we cannot use correctly.\n\n>In short, if you attack the credibility and reliability of the Bible, you\n>are on weak ground. Furthermore, the only reason that I can see for wanting\n>to do so is to remove the Bible as the final authority, and instead put\n>that responsibility on men to sift the Bible to strain out the nuggets of\n>truth that it contains (in other words, what they want to believe), and\n>ignore the rest. The Bible IS Truth; it does not just contain truth.\n\nIMHO, if you trust your salvation on the reliability of a single book,\nyou are on weak ground. Remember, In the beginning was the Word, and\nthe Word was with God, and the Word was God. This Word existed BEFORE\nthe Bible was written. (Note: Word <==> God). This Word that John is\ntrying to describe cannot be fully described in any written language,\nall languages being IMPERFECT. Realization comes only from contemplation\nof the Word, and is outside the boundaries of language. I use the Bible\nas a guide, a stepping stone, but in no way is it my final authority.\nGod alone is the final authority.\n-- \n===========================================================================\nDaniel Cossack | danc@procom.com, 71333.2102@compuserve.com\nSenior Software Engineer | 2181 Dupont Drive, Irvine, CA 92715\nProcom Technology, Inc. | +1 714 852 1000\n',
"From: cas@spl1.spl.loral.com (Carl A Swanson)\nSubject: PC sound on a SB\nOrganization: Loral Software Productivity Lab\nLines: 9\n\nI read sometime in the last couple of weeks, an article which desribed how to play PC sound\nthrough a soundblaster. I didn't save the article and all old articles have been purged from\nour system here. \n\nWould whomever posted the article detailing where to connect the wires please re-post?\n\nSpecifically, I need to know where to connect wires from the PC speaker to the SB card.\n\nThx in Advance, Carl\n",
"From: daa7365@tamuts.tamu.edu (Diego A. Aranda)\nSubject: Windows Shareware Monthly (INFORMATION)\nArticle-I.D.: tamsun.1ps35rINNfpd\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, College Station\nLines: 100\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu\n\n\nWindows Shareware Monthly (WSM) is an on-line forum for information about the\nnewest and best Windows 3.x and NT shareware/freeware software. \n\nWSM is a compilation of submissions from shareware/freeware authors in a single\nWindows .HLP (Help System) file. All types of software may be submitted for\nentry in WSM - utilities, applications, games, programming tools, etc.\n\nWSM benefits Windows shareware/freeware authors by allowing them to publicize\ntheir software releases, inform users of updated versions, and to increase\ntheir installed base of users. Those searching for specific Windows software\nwill benefit by having a complete list of available software available at their\nfingertips - complete with feature lists, current prices, and any other\nrelevant information.\n\nWindows software authors may submit entries to Windows Shareware Monthly in the\nfollowing manner:\n\n1. Compose a short summary of the function of the software. Include all\n special features which are unique to your product and which set it apart\n from other programs in the genre. Be sure to include specific details\n such as: the current release version, where the software is available,\n how much the registration fee costs, how much disk space is required, any\n special requirements (e.g. sound card, or VBRUN200.DLL, etc.), how the\n author may be contacted, etc. Because text is highly compressible, the\n summary may be as long as is necessary, however, it is best to keep it\n short. A good guideline is a single screenful of 12-point text at 640x480\n resolution. Order forms and other such addendum may be included if desired.\n All submissions whould be in plain text (ASCII) format. Formatting will\n be exactly as it is submitted - I will simply cut and paste text files\n into a Help Authoring system. If you require special formatting \n conventions - such as boldface text or italics, or a larger font size,\n indicate so CLEARLY within the text file. For best results, use Windows\n NotePad to create the .TXT file. \n \n2. Include up to 100k of Windows-format .BMP (bitmap) screen-shots which\n display the workings or special features of each program. Special cases\n (rendering applications for example) which require 256-color bitmaps may\n submit up to 250k of .BMP files - all other should observe the 100k limit\n and use 16-color format. For maximum compatiblity with the software which\n will be used to create the WSM .HLP file (Stefan Olson's Help Writer's\n Assistant for Windows), please save the bitmaps with Windows Paintbrush or\n WinGIF. \n\n3. Include a 16-color .BMP of the program's icon (.ICO file). Many programs\n are available to convert .ICO to .BMP format, or Windows Paintbrush may be\n used. The .BMP will be embedded in the summary text.\n\n4. Double-check for spelling errors, formatting corrections, etc. \n\n5. Compress the .TXT file, the .BMP of the program icon, and any additional\n .BMPs into a single file using PKZIP (any version).\n\n6. Submit the entry by UUENCODING the .ZIPfile, and e-mailing it to:\n \n DAA7365@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU\n\n if submitting via the Internet or Compuserve. If submitting via America\n Online, send a brief message indicating submission, and append the .ZIP\n file, then e-mail to:\n\n DiegoAA\n\n7. If any changes are required, or a new version is released, complete\n the above procedures again. Send all submissions to the @TAMUTS address,\n and any comments, suggestions, criticisms, to DAA7365@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU.\n\nAll entries received before the deadline will be included in the subsequent\nedition of WSM. The editor will not be held responsible for any errors, and\nwe reserve the right to make changes to the entries.\n\nWSM is not limited to shareware/freeware software. A special area will be\ndevoted to commercially available Windows 3.x and NT software. Commercial\nsoftware authors should follow the same steps above, with the exception of\nthe limitations on size - the .TXT file and .BMPs may be as large as required\n(and as large as is practical for transmission over phone lines). There\nis no charge for the publishing of either shareware/freeware or commercial\nproduct entries. \n\nAdvertisements for computer hardware, software, bulletin boards, etc. may\nbe submitted as well. Again, the same procedures apply, with the exception of\nthe size limitations. There is no charge for advertising space. The first\nten advertisements submitted each month will be included; subsequent\nsubmissions will not be included due to size constraints.\n\nWSM is currently looking for persons willing to devote the time to author\ncolumns within WSM. A C/C++ programing section, a Visual Basic section, and\ntwo Windows-specific opinion/advice columns are envisioned. All work will\nbe on a voluntary basis. If you wish to aid WSM and author a monthly column\non one of the above topics, please send us mail at DAA7365@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU or\nDiegoAA on America Online.\n \nThe first edition of WSM will be distributed May 1st via America Online,\nCompuserve, and the Internet. The deadline for submissions is April 28th.\nThe first edition filename will be WSM-1.ZIP, with each subsequent monthly\nrelease continuing in the series naming convention (WSM-2.ZIP, etc.). Each\nedition will be released on the first of each month, and the deadline for\nsubmission will be at least three days before release. \n\n \n",
"From: eialbur@sgies9.sdrc.com (Ron Albury)\nSubject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems....\nOrganization: SDRC\nLines: 14\n\nYou have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than\nin DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using.\n\nTry the following:\n 1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to. The\n cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine\n it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters.\n\n 2) Use a different UART for your serial line. The old UART's (8250 or 16450)\n can only buffer one character internally. The new UART's (16550) can\n buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations. You can run\n \\windows\\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine.\n\nRon\n",
"From: leon@dimatrix.DK (Leon Thrane)\nSubject: X Intrinsic mailing list\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nAs we don't get a newsfeed I was wondering whether there was such a\nthing as a Xt mailing list (other than xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu). I\nwould appreciate any info on this, (or X related mailing lists.)\n\n Thanks in advance,\n\n Leon\n\n+-------------------------------+---------------------------------+\n| Leon Thrane | Telephone: +45 - 45 93 51 00 |\n| DimatriX ApS | FAX: +45 - 45 93 51 11 |\n| Lyngby Hovedgade 15D | E-mail: leon@dimatrix.dk |\n| DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark | or ...!uunet!dimatrix.dk!leon |\n+-------------------------------+---------------------------------+\n",
'From: jas37876@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John A. Slagel)\nSubject: Re: int15h for joysticks is slow....\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 25\n\nlioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes:\n\n\n>I\'m using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something\n>like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this\n>is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead().\n\n>The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and\n>so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in\n>a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn\'t platform or\n>clockspeed specific?\n\n The joystick reads in anolog values through a digital port. How?\n You send a command to the port to read it, then you time how long\n it takes for the joystick port to set a certain bit. This time\n is proportional to the joystick position. Obviously, since time\n is used as a position, you cannot get rid of this ridiculus waste \n of time. If you wrote your own routine instead of the BIOS, it\n would speed it up some, but the time would still be there.\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n John A. Slagel "My old man used to tell me, before he left this\n j-slagel1@uiuc.edu shitty world, never chase buses or women- you\n (217) 337-7930 always get left behind." -The Marlboro Man\n',
"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson)\nSubject: Argic\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nYou are brain damaged. That hate of++0B1FATransfer cancelledf yours courses\nthrough your sick body like poison. It's just a matter of time. Your fate\nis sealed.\n---\nProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar\nInternet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com\nUUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo\n",
"Subject: Re: Picking up cable tv with an aerial.\nFrom: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter)\nOrganization: Institut fuer Informatik\nNntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch\nLines: 11\n\nGreat, the first advantage of cheap coax, I've ever heard.\n\nCheers Robert (HB9NBY)\n\n--\nRobert Ganter\t\t\t/------------\\\nUniversitaet Basel\t\t| I am a fan |\nInstitut fuer Informatik\t| of my plan |\nBasel/Switzerland\t\t\\------------/\nganter@ifi.unibas.ch\namateurradio: HB9NBY\tpacket: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU\n",
'From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan)\nSubject: Re: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE)\nOrganization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.144415.2153@ncar.ucar.edu> boote@eureka.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff W. Boote) writes:\n >In article <4378@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) writes:\n >> \n >> Environment:\n >> mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX)\n >> OS\t: SunOS 4.1.3\n >> X11\t: X11R5 (patchlevel 22)\n >> Motif\t: 1.2.2\n >> \n >> I bring up X server using \'startx\' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence\n >> of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, \'xinit\' reports that connexion \n >> to X server lost):\n >\n >I had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that\n >comes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the "sunGX.uu"\n >that was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you\n >didn\'t apply the one that came with Patch #7.\n >\n >jeff\n >-\n >Jeff W. Boote <boote@ncar.ucar.edu> *********************************\n >Scientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad *\n >National Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. *\n >Boulder * Hamlet *\n > *********************************\n\nThanx, Jeff. You\'re a lifesaver. I imported the new sun GX emulator that came in\nwith patch #7. The problem has since disappeared.\n\nThanx to der (schoene) Mouse for his help too.\n\n---\nS Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech\n',
'From: rdc@pelican.cit.cornell.edu (Bob Cowles)\nSubject: Re: cica mirror?\nOrganization: Cornell Info. Tech.\nLines: 2\n\nTry wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/win3 directory.\n\n',
'From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nNntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us\nOrganization: Whole Earth \'Lectronic Link\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:\n>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n>\n>Mike Terry\n\nNo.\n\nAt least, that\'s what I told the NASA rent-a-cop that stopped me\nbecause he swore I was "lifting it up."\n\nHe didn\'t completely buy the part about water in the carbs, either.\n\n\nPhil Stone NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us\n\'83 R80ST "Motorcycles OK"\n\n',
'From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 34\n\nAll of the arguments concerning the Sabbath ought to make the point\npretty clear - anyone outside of the Catholic or Orthodox orAnglican or\nMonophysite churches ourght to worship on Saturday if they are really\nsola scriptura. Otherwise, they are following a law put into effect by\nthe Church, and only the above Chruches really recognize any power of\nthe Chruch to do so.\n\nAndy Byler\n\n[You will note that nothing in the FAQ said anything about the Church\nestablishing or changing a law. The argument against the Sabbath is\nthat it is part of the ceremonial law, and like the rest of the\nceremonial law is not binding on Christians. This argument is based\non Paul\'s letters, Acts, and in a more general sense, Jesus\'\nteachings. Further, most people argue that Scripture shows worship\noccuring on Sunday, and Paul endorsing it. I understand that these\npoints are disputed, and do not want to go around the dispute one more\ntime. The point I\'m making here is not that these arguments are\nright, but that the backing they claim is Scripture.\n\nAccepting the principle of "sola scriptura" does not commit us to\nobeying the entire Jewish Law. Acts 15 and Paul\'s letters are quite\nclear on that. I think even the SDA\'s accept it. The disagreement is\non where the Bible would have us place the line.\n\nBy the way, Protestants do give authority to the church, in matters\nthat are not dictated by God. That\'s why churches are free to\ndetermine their own liturgies, church polity, etc. If you accept that\nthe Sabbath is not binding on Christians, then the day of worship\nfalls into the category of items on which individual Christians or\n(since worship is by its nature a group activity) churches are free to\ndecide.\n\n--clh]\n',
"Distribution: world\nFrom: elenay_creations@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us (Anthony D. Saxton)\nOrganization: Cyber Sanctum BBS 702.435.2179\nSubject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last?\nLines: 10\n\n> > \n> > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops?\n> \n> They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-)\n\nAnd they're more like 1024x1024x8 charging & discharging capacitors in a DRAM\nSIMM =-)\n\nAnthony D. Saxton\nElenay Creations\n",
'From: reb@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Ralph Bean)\nSubject: Re: saturn pricing blatherings\nArticle-I.D.: hpchase.1pqkjv$46l\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8]\n\nMihir Pramod Shah (mps1@cec1.wustl.edu) wrote:\n: Robert J. Wade writes:\n: > until...and more Saturn retailers are built(like 2 in the same city), \n: \t\t ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n: ...most medium and large cities have...a small handful of Saturn dealers now\n\nSacramento has two Saturn dealerships.\n\n: Mihir Shah\n\nRalph Bean\nhprnd.rose.hp.com\n',
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 111\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.164549.24069@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:\n> In article <15342@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# # # And now those "other options" don\'t exist. We probably agree on this\n# # # more than you think--welfare was invented to solve a problem of the\n# # # 30\'s, but the poverty is now so much worse, and our economic infra-\n# # # structure has been so eroded, that it just can\'t keep up any more.\n# \n# # You mean, since your philosophy took over, the economy has almost\n# # collapsed.\n# \n# Excuse me, *my* philosophy? You don\'t have any idea what *my* philosophy\n# is. The American economy has had its ups and downs through a number of\n# prevailing economic philosophies. But then, economics is hardly a science.\n\nIn my lifetime, your philosophy -- socialism masquerading as a liberal\nwelfare state -- has been in ascendancy.\n\n# No, I mean exactly what I wrote--the welfare system of the New Deal is\n# wholly inadequate to cope with the current state of affairs.\n\nAbsolutely. So the response of socialists is take us even further\ninto socialism.\n\n# # # # # (2) Whether or not the fathers work\n# # # # # is not germane to single mothers.\n# \n# # # # Very true. But the promotion of casual sexuality is something that\n# # # # plays a part in the single mother problem.\n# \n# # # I\'ll buy that--and there\'s lots of reasons for it, extremely far down on\n# # # the list being the flash-in-the-pan media attention a bunch of middle-\n# # # class dropouts got for their philosophy and experimentation. \n# \n# # Flash-in-the-pan? No, your subculture has utterly dominated the\n# # TV and movie industries for two decades now.\n# \n# *My* subculture? My, we\'re getting personal. The only subculture I see\n# dominating the TV and movie industries is *money*. If you\'ll buy it,\n# they\'ll sell it. And as recent movements to boycott TV advertisers have\n# shown, they\'re *very* sensitive about what sells. Whatever happened to\n# personal responsibility, anyway? Or am I personally responsible for\n# the decline in that, too?\n\nTo the extent that people have been encouraged to NOT be responsible\nfor themselves, yes.\n\n# # # # Come on. You and I both know that the major problem of this society\n# # # # today isn\'t a lack of employment, it\'s a lack of people willing to work.\n# \n# # # Huh??? Tell that to the single mother I know who was laid off from\n# # # her $10/hour job at a hospital and now works 2 full-time minimum-\n# # # wage jobs to barely be able to support herself and her kid. *Barely.*\n# # # Hey, she\'s too proud to go on public assistance, but the only jobs\n# # # she can find are menial and with no benefits. And no career path\n# # # either--they find excuses to lay people off and hire new ones rather\n# # # than give raises and perks. And why not? It\'s a lot cheaper.\n# \n# # Oddly enough, all the unskilled or semiskilled people I know manage\n# # to find employment almost immediately. Maybe she needs to move to a\n# # cheaper part of the country, where jobs are plentiful, and the cost\n# # of living is lower.\n# \n# The west side of Chicago is about as cheap as it gets--squalor city.\n# Tell me about all these places where it\'s cheap to live and jobs are\n# abundant--I\'ll pass them on.\n\nSonoma County.\n\n# You live in a strange and wondrous place, sir. Inexpensive housing,\n\nNot exactly cheap, but not Los Angeles, either.\n\n# lots of employment, and utterly surrounded by socialists. Well, I suppose\n# that\'s the sort of environment that would attract socialists, or at least\n# not dissuade them.\n\nNo, it\'s that areas with a lot of wealthy breed socialists -- all the\nspoiled rich kids, feeling guilty about their wealth. But not guilty\nenough to give it away -- they just look for politicians to take MY\nmore limited wealth away.\n\n# # # I see a lot of people willing--nay, eager--to work. What I don\'t see\n# # # is a system that makes it at all feasible to do so. It\'s not just\n# # # welfare, which nobody enjoys, but there just aren\'t the jobs any more.\n# # # When the US was expanding industrial capacity there was always a mill\n# # # to go work in--skills to learn, a future. Now there\'s only McDonalds.\n# \n# # Odd. Not the experience of anyone I know. Just the opposite.\n# \n# In California???\n\nYup.\n\n# # # Mr. Cramer, I was there: Hippiedom was a very low-budget operation.\n# # # Our drugs were cheap.\n# \n# # The money I was referring to was Aid to Families with Druggie \n# # Cohabitators (AFDC).\n# \n# Well, I doubt that much of this goes to drugs--there isn\'t much left after\n# buying food, and there is very little in the first place. Sure, you read\n# about such cases now and then, but that\'s what makes them news. Show me\n# your statistics about AFDC abuse.\n\nI can tell you that relatives I have known, the drugs came first, the\nfood was secondary.\n\n# Ken Perlow ***** *****\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
'From: pino@gammow.berkeley.edu (Jose L. Pino)\nSubject: Re: wrong RAM in Duo?\nOrganization: U. C. Berkeley\nLines: 53\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu\n\nHere is the MacWeek article describing the DUO ram situation.\n(w/o permission. I hope that is ok)\n\nJose\n\nBad RAM brings some Duos down. (random access memory boards for Apple\nMacintosh PowerBook Duos) \nMacWEEK v7, n7 (Feb 15, 1993):132.\n\nCOPYRIGHT Coastal Associates Publishing L.P. 1993\n\nBy Raines Cohen\n\n Austin, Texas - Some third-party memory-expansion cards for PowerBook\nDuos depart from Apple specs in ways that could cause crashes, data loss\nand other problems.\n\n Technology Works Inc., a RAM and network vendor based here, last week\nissued a warning about three problems it said it had found in Duo RAM\nproducts from some competing vendors, which it declined to identify.\nOther vendors and an Apple spokeswoman confirmed that the problems exist.\n\n > Self-refresh. The Duos require a kind of dynamic RAM called\nselfrefreshing, which can recharge itself while the system sleeps. But\nTechnology Works said some vendors have sold Duo cards with\nnonselfrefreshing DRAM, which can cause the system to lose data or fail to\nwake from sleep.\n\n Most leading memory manufacturers include the letter V in the part\nnumber stamped on their self-refreshing chips; nonself-refreshing chips\ninstead have an L, according to TechWorks. The chip label, however, may\nnot tell the whole story. Newer Technology of Wichita, Kan., said it uses\nnonself-refreshing chips but adds its own circuitry to keep them refreshed\nwhile the Duo sleeps.\n\n > Speed. Some RAM-card vendors have put 80-nanosecond DRAM on Duo\ncards rather than the 70-nanosecond type the 230 requires, Technology\nWorks said. However, some chips labeled as 80- or 85-nanosecond are\ncertified by the manufacturer to run at a higher speed.\n\n Kingston Technology Corp. of Fountain Valley, Calif., said it offers\nDuo RAM cards with 80-nanosecond chips, but only for the Duo 210, which is\ncompatible with the slower chips.\n\n > Space. Technology Works charged and Apple officials confirmed that\nsome third-party cards are too large to fit properly, forcing the corner\nof the Duo keyboard up and preventing the system from starting up normally\nwhen in a Duo Dock.\n\n Lifetime Memory Products Inc. of Huntington Beach, Calif., said it\noriginally shipped cards with this problem but has since offered all\ncustomers free upgrades to cards that fit.\n\n',
'From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT)\nSubject: Re: A universal RIGHT to bear arms? NOT!\nOrganization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater\nLines: 73\n\nnathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr2.080842.3554@a.cs.okstate.edu> kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu \n(KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes:\n> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:\n>> >In article <1993Apr1.173759.4636@cs.yale.edu> \nnathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:\n>> >>In article <C4sK5w.Lsr@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) \nwrites:\n>> >>> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:\n>> >> >\n>> >>> >I suppose that\'s true if you maintain that AK-47s and AR-15s are hunting\n>> >>> >weapons. I think they are fun to "plink" cans/targets/random VC with,\n>> >>> >but not suitable for "real" hunting. \n>> >>> \n>> >>> Wrong. Both are legal to hunt with here in Kentucky. I have a picture of\n>> >>> a friend with a nice 8-point buck which he shot with his AR-15 rifle.\n>> >>\n>> >>I don\'t think many deer hunters would condone your friends choice of\n>> >>rifle. \n> \n>> >I must agree with Nathan. As a deer hunter, I find it inhumane to use\n>> >underpowered weapons for deer hunting. To kill cleanly with the little\n>> >.223 requires extremely good marksmanship. Most hunting situations don\'t\n>> >allow for "perfect" shots. Hunters should use sufficiently powerful\n>> >weapons to drop the deer with a single hit to the chest. The 7.62x39\n>> >from the AKS-47 or SKS is adequate to this task, having similar ballistics\n>> >to the familiar 30-30, but the little .223 is very marginal. In the\n>> >hands of the expert, or the lucky, it will do, but hunters really\n>> >should have more respect for their quarry. \n> \n>> >Gary\n> \n>> I\'ll agree that the popular 55 gr. loading for .223 rem. is too small for\n>> deer-sized game. However, if you use a 70 gr. semi-spritzer or the Sierra\n>> 63 gr. semi-pointed bullet this would be suitable (like any round,\n>> you keep your shots within a reasonable range). It would still be on the\n>> lower end of what I\'d consider acceptable performance, especially those\n>> long distance shots out West hunting Monster Mule Deer. The .223 rem. has\n>> been declared legal for deer hunting in Oklahoma.\n> \n>> The .223 is excellent for varmit hunting and pest control. The AR-15 in\n>> particular is well suited, given its heavy barrel and heat shielded foregrip.\n>> Add a high-power scope, and you\'re in "Dog heaven".\n> \n>> However, I don\'t think Nathan Janette was refering to the specific chambering\n>> of the rifle in question. Maybe he thinks self loading rifles have no\n>> place in deer hunting. That may (or may not) be his opinion, but many\n>> sportsmen do use self loading rifles and shotguns.\n\n>Wrongo, NRA man. I was definitely referring to the round, not the\n>auto-loading aspect of the rifle. I have no problem with *responsible*\n>hunting. That doesn\'t include machine guns from choppers, but a semi is\n>fine. My uncle has bagged several deer with 12 gauge slugs. I would prefer\n>that a hunter use as much of the catch as possible, and I don\'t condone\n>hunting for "sport" only. \n\n>IMHO, of course. \n\nTwo questions:\n\n1) You asserted that both the AR-15 and AK-47 are not suitable for\n "real hunting". If you have no problem with hunting, or using\n self loading rifles for hunting, why did you say this? If not\n for deer, then what about other, smaller game?\n\n2) When did I get the nickname "NRA man"? Notice I have never referred\n to you as "Janette" which you don\'t seem to like. Do I get any\n super-powers, like Spider Man or Powdered Toast Man?\n\nScott Kennedy Brewer, Patriot, and now NRA-Man, defender of Truth,\n Justice, and the 2nd Amendment.\n\nkennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu\n',
'From: angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers)\nSubject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC?\nX-Advert: Mail/News feeds available -- email postmaster for details.\nOrganization: Radio Free Nyongwa -- public usenet in Montreal: (514) 284-6693\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5rx8B.Kzp@ecf.toronto.edu> leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes:\n>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes:\n>>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes:\n>>>\n>>>Dear friend,\n>>> The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has \n>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase \n>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about\n>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC.\n>>\n>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember\n>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large.\n>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not\n>>as orthogonal is CISC.\n>>\n>>-- \n>\n>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That\'s why everyone\n>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out.\n>Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either,\n>but that\'s another story...)\n>\n>bye!\n>\n\nDo you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell\nthem all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the\npentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs\ncpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not\neven on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2)\nabout a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND\nreordered its instruction itself so\n',
"From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 25\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pipa.src.umd.edu\n\nIn article <1r1r3nINNebn@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:\n>In article <C5so84.Hxv@demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:\n>>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen\n>>to throw away her academic respectability like this.\n\n>\tActually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with\n>interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing\n>but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether\n>you are the radical fringe, or I.\n\n>\tIt is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by\n>the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing\n>tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you.\n\nThe people on usenet are clearly a special bunch. We live the net, which\nis the future of our culture. Usenetters have rapid electronic access to\ninformation. Society in general must depend on CNN. \n\nI can only hope we can make this information accessable by the public before\nthe radical fringe, which _is_ the majority, destroys the fabric of\nthis country. Freedom is never easily won.\n\n-Thomas\n\n\n",
'From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)\nSubject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <C5IAK2.5zH@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:\n\n> Clayton Cramer:\n\n>> But what came out, in much lower profile reporting, was that the\n>> "victim" was a prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the\n>> false accusation.\n\n> There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the\n> defense merely alledged that she was.\n\nThe fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was\npresented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court\napparently found this compelling.\n\n> Even Clayton knows the difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn\'t know\n> the difference.\n\nClayton does indeed know the difference. Greg apparently doesn\'t.\n\n>> the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines\n>> were engaged in self-defense.\n\n> No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder\n> on proof.\n\nBecause the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the\nMarines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead?\n\n> A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines: \n\n> New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in\n> the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving\n> the Marines acted to cause injury.\n\nBecause, in part [REPEAT AFTER ME], "the judge found that there was\nsome credible evidence that the Marines were engaged in self-defense".\nHopefully, one of these days you will understand.\n\n> Interesting that in 2 of the 3 cases Clayton does what he accuses\n> others of doing.\n\nWith respect to credibility, I would rate Clayton Cramer an order of\nmagnitude higher than a) the news media, and b) homosexuals.\n\n> But I never thought Clayton was consistent.\n\nClayton is indeed consistent. And so are you.\n-- \n The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis\n my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu\n believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis\n as this would hold such views??? |\n',
"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nLines: 19\n\nmathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n\n> bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes:\n> > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians\n> > buy Apple II's because of security concerns.\n\n> That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems\n> because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things!\n\nFunny, we had plenty of them in Bulgaria, regardless of the embargo...\n:-) So much for export controls...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n",
"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)\nSubject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19\nOrganization: Dundee Institute of Technology\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5sIAJ.Ks7@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n\n> So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much \n> earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children?\n> \n> Why didn't they release the children weeks ago?\n\nBecause most of the children were with their parent(s). Do you understand\nthat concept? Here's a bunch of people who believe in their minds that\nthe forces of Satanic evil are outside and you expect them to hand over\ntheir own children? Were you born that stupid or does it take a lot\nof effort?\n\n-- \nAlan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct\nDundee Institute of Technology\t Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk\nTel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810)\n ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity **\n",
'From: beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert)\nSubject: Photoshop for Windows\nOrganization: Groupe de Recherche Operationnelle en Telecommunication (ROT) Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 13\n\n\n\nI am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop\nfor Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there\na lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs "fine-tuning)?\n\nAny comments would be greatly appreciated..\n\nThank you.\n\nAndre Boisvert\nbeaver@rot.qc.ca\n\n',
'From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)\nSubject: Brand new H.P. toner for sale, cheap!\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.\nLines: 30\n\n\nFor Sale...:\n \n **BRAND NEW** Hewlett Packard toner cartridge\n model number HP 92295A.\n \n \n o I am selling this toner because I recently\n bought a Brother HL-10V printer and the\n toner that I am selling. I activated the\n toner, but ended up returning the printer.\n The store, however would not take back the\n toner. This toner has been used to print\n only three pages and is in perfect condition.\n I will protect it for shipment so that no\n toner escapes. It comes with all original\n packaging and manuals. The toner is compatible\n with ANY laser printer that uses the model\n number of the toner I am selling; just look in\n your manual to see if it will work for you.\n I will not go below $60.00. I will pay the\n shipping to anywhere in the continental \n United States.\n \n If you are interested, leave me email or call Kirk\nPeterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime.\n \n Thank you!\n \n\n',
"From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 15\n\ntfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes:\n>>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the\n>>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights.\n\n>I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been\n>convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite\n>sufficient.\n\n\n\n So, you sat in the court room and listened to the case. After careful\nconsideration, you have come to your conclusion. Well, good for you.\n\n\n\n",
'From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool)\nSubject: anybody have patched version of xroach for tvtwm???\nOrganization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 19\n\ni read about the code you can put in to most applications so that\nthe virtual desktop stuff in tvtwm doesn\'t confuse them (or is the\napplication confusing the virtual-ness? [chicken & the egg?]\n\nbut wanted to see if it has been applied to a version of xroach\n\ni never could quite get ssetroot to work either? any suggestions.\nluckily xv -root -quit does the trick for the most part\n\nalso, i\'ld be quite interested in hearing more about the icon region\nfor each virtual window under tvtwm that i read a thread on last week\nhere\n\tthanx,\n\t\tfish\n--\nJohn R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov\nNASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683 \n"So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it\'s sinking,\n racing around to come up behind you again." -rw/dg\n',
'From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: 74ACT???\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 86\n\nIn article <1qhrq9INNlri@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:\n>OK, what\'s a quick rundown on all the 7400 series variations? We\'re\n>repairing something with a 74ACT00 on it and the question arises, "well,\n>do i really need the ACT part?" Flipping through Digi-Key I see \n>ALS, AS, C, HC, AC, ACQ, ACT, HCT, ACHT, HCTLS...\n\nHere\'s something I posted about this a few years ago. It\'s not fully\nup to date with all the new variations (some of which are just different\nmanufacturer\'s synonyms):\n\n------\nIn practical terms, ignoring the technological details, this is my view\nof the families (NB I am not a giant corporation, which influences my\nviews on things like availability and backward compatibility):\n\n74\tThe original. Speed good, power consumption fair. Effectively\n\tobsolete now; use 74LS or later, except for a *very* few oddball\n\tfunctions like 7407 which are hard to find in newer families.\n\n74H\tModification of 74 for higher speed, at the cost of higher\n\tpower consumption. Very obsolete; use 74F.\n\n74L\tModification of 74 for lower power, at the cost of lower speed.\n\tVery obsolete; use CMOS.\n\n74S\tLater modification of 74 for even higher speed, at some cost in\n\tpower consumption. Effectively obsolete; use 74F.\n\n74LS\tCombination of 74L and 74S, for speed comparable to 74 with lower\n\tpower consumption. Best all-round TTL now, widest variety of\n\tdevices.\n\n74F\tFast as blazes, power not too bad. The clear choice for high\n\tspeed in TTL. Availability and prices generally good.\n\n74AS\tFailed competitor to 74F, although a few 74AS parts do things\n\tthat are hard to find in 74F and thus are still useful.\n\n74ALS\tPossible replacement for 74LS. Generally souped up. Still fairly\n\tnew, availability and prices possibly a problem.\n\n74C\tFairly old family, CMOS devices with TTL pinouts. Competed with\n\t4000 series, not too successfully. Obsolete; use 4000 or newer\n\tCMOS 74 families.\n\n4000\t(Thrown in as the major non-74 non-ECL logic family.) The old CMOS\n\tfamily, still viable because of *very* wide range of devices, low\n\tpower consumption, and wide range of supply voltages. Not fast.\n\tVery forgiving and easy to work with (beware static electricity,\n\tbut that comment applies to many other modern logic families too).\n\tThere are neat devices in this family that exist in no other. The\n\tclear choice when speed is not important.\n\n74HC\tA new attempt at 74-pinout CMOS. Fast compared to old CMOS, power\n\tconsumption often lower than TTL. Possibly a good choice for\n\tgeneral-purpose logic, assuming availability and affordability.\n\tCMOS logic levels, *not* TTL ones. Beware very limited range of\n\tsupply voltages compared to older CMOS, also major rise of power\n\tconsumption at faster speeds.\n\n74HCT\t74HC with TTL logic levels. Much the same comments as 74HC. Read\n\tthe fine print on things like power consumption -- TTL compatibility\n\tin CMOS involves some compromises.\n\n10K\t(Thrown in for speed freaks.) The low end of ECL. Various sources\n\tclaim that it is *easier* to work with than super-fast TTL for\n\tserious high-speed work. Less forgiving, though: read and follow\n\tthe rules or it won\'t work. Availability to hobbyists limited,\n\tcan be expensive.\n\n100K\t(For real speed freaks.) Hot ECL. Harder to handle than 10K, and\n\tinconvenient packages. Much more useful datasheets, however.\n\nAs for compatibility between families: the 74 families (except 74C and\n74HC) are all more or less logic-level compatible, but how many 74X devices\nyou can drive from one 74Y output varies enormously with X and Y. You just\nhave to read the specs and do the arithmetic. 74C and 74HC are compatible\nwith the others with a bit of hassle. 4000 compatibility can be a bit of\nhassle or a lot of hassle depending on what supply voltage 4000 is using.\n10K or 100K to anything else is considerable hassle.\n\nMe? I use 4000 and 74LS with a sprinkling of 74F. 74HC[T] and 10K are\ninteresting but I haven\'t used either significantly yet.\n-- \nAll work is one man\'s work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry\n',
"From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()\nSubject: MYSTERY ILLNESS WITH SPOTS\nReply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet ()\nOrganization: Materials Research Lab\nLines: 13\n\n\n\nI attended high school in the San Jose, California area in the early 1980's,\nand I remember a (smallish) outbreak of a strange illness, in which\npeople developed measles-like spots on their bodies. This condition\nseemed to last only a few days, and I don't recall anyone reporting any other\nsymptoms. I seem to recall reading somewhere that this was believed to have\nbeen viral in nature, but I don't know for sure.\n\nHowever, I have been curious since then about this.\n\nAnyone have any ideas about what this might have been?\n\n",
'From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters)\nSubject: Ryan on DL\nOrganization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO\nLines: 18\n\nHeard minutes ago on KOA radio, Denver.\n\nNolan Ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee, and\nto miss 2 - 5 weeks.\n\nRockies (Nied) lead Mets (Gooden) 4 - 0 in 7th.\nAll runs in first inning.\n\nGregg \\\\ baseball@ncar.ucar.edu //\n\t\t \\\\ /\\ //\n\t _^ \\ / \\ / ^_\n\t _\\|__/\\ / \\ /\\__|/_\n\t /\\___/ / \\ \\___/\\\n\t | CR/ /\\/ o \\/\\ \\CR |\n\t |--/ / / \\ \\--|\n\t \\ \\ / // \\ / /\n\t / / / // \\ \\ \\\n\t \\ \\ / COLORADO ROCKIES \\ / /\n',
"From: vvl2h@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Victor V. Levenson)\nSubject: HELP: How to get a SCUMSTER\nSummary: Need advice \nKeywords: HD, cash/check, no delivery\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 34\n\n\nHi, everyone;\n\n\nI need an advice on what is the best way to get a scumster.\n\nSeveral weeks ago I posted an article on behalf of a friend who wanted\nan external HD for mac. The scumster - R.E.P. - called my friend and\nthey agreed on a price. My friend (unexperienced and not too fluent in\nEnglish) paid by check, requesting R.E.P. to call him back when the check\narrives and the HD is send. Well, the check was cashed 3/24 and that is\nthat. Phone # that R.E.P. gave is on the answering machine all the time\nand there is no reaction when the message is left; e-mail address does not\nbounce but again there is no answer. I know, that R.E.P. is a student at\nUniversity of Delaware; I have his e-mail address, his US postal address\nand his (?) phone#. The question is: WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED?\n\nThanks in advance for any advice.\n\nSincerely,\nVictor Levenson (VVL2H@virginia.edu)\n\nP.S. The reason I did not put R.E.P.'s full name is that I still hope...\n\n\nP.P.S. If I get enough responses I will post a summary, maybe even on a\nregular basis.\n\nVL\n--\n====================================\n\nDr.Victor V.Levenson Tel (804) 924 2370 lab\nDept. of Biochemistry Internet VVL2H@virginia.edu\n",
"From: monta@image.mit.edu (Peter Monta)\nSubject: Re: MC SBI mixer\nIn-Reply-To: musone@acsu.buffalo.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 21:10:14 GMT\nOrganization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program\nLines: 24\n\nmusone@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mark J. Musone) writes:\n\n> P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED\n> ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot.\n> I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of\n> circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help.\n\nMixers have a wide variety of implementations; the Mini-Circuits\npart you mention is a doubly-balanced diode mixer, but active ones\n(BJT, FET) seem more popular in consumer receivers. You might\ncall MCL; they have a nice catalog.\n\nThe universal answer for wide-coverage, theory+practice, RF design\nis the _ARRL Handbook_, published by the American Radio Relay\nLeague, the radio amateur organization. Any technical bookstore\ncan order you one. The book is superb, with lots of accessible\ntheory, construction projects, and generally interesting stuff.\n\nYou might also check out _Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur_\n(I think), by Hayward and <someone>. This has sharper design\nand test information about subsystems like mixers.\n\nPeter Monta monta@image.mit.edu\nMIT Advanced Television Research Program\n",
"From: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk\nSubject: Could anyone answer this question???\nOrganization: Free University of Berlin, Germany\nLines: 41\nCc: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk\n\n\n\tI've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and\nministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event.\n(About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay??\nI know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose\nun-important, but I still can't help be curious!\n\n---------------------------------------------------\nIvan Thomas Barr \n\nContact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk\n\n[The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is\nabout the only thing we have from the author describing his process.\nThe prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do\nsome investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that\nsay a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are\ndebates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't\nhave the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them\nseriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and\nwas written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die.\nOne tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words\nmay have been made earlier than the current Gospels. \n\nIn the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal\ntransmission of information. I think many people would have preferred\nto hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe\neven from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather\nthan from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a\nperiod when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do\nthink there was some written material earlier, which was probably used\nas sources for the existing Gospels.\n\nEstablishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to\nconfess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods\nused. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64\nAD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the\nCentury. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the\nother.\n\n--clh]\n",
'From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)\nSubject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians.\nOrganization: NYSERNet, Inc.\nLines: 34\n\nac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\npl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)\n\npl: 1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians?\n\nac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans? \nac: You even make Armenians laugh.\n\nac: "An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the\nac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of \nac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at \nac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The \nac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and \nac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in\nac: 1926 with the title \'Men Are Like That.\' Other references abound."\n\nTypical Mutlu. PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y\nhappened. Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar\naccuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did\nwhat they are accused of.\n\nWhile I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I\ncan\'t understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let\nsuch an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself.\n\nI do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything\nto alleviate my puzzlement. But maybe I\'ll see a new line from his\nlist of insults.\n\n-- \n/|/-\\/-\\ This article is supplied without longbox\n |__/__/_/ and uses recycled 100% words, characters and ideas.\n |warren@ \n/ nysernet.org \n',
'From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein)\nSubject: Re: What happens if you completely flatten your PB\'s battery?\nNntp-Posting-Host: math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de\nOrganization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5FoDG.on@raistlin.udev.cdc.com> swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com \n(Aaron Swiers) writes:\n> schuyler@netcom.com (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes:\n> >stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes:\n> >>Can running a PowerBook\'s battery completely flat have any\n> >>detrimental side effects (other than the PB not going :) I ask,\n> >\n> >Only two things I can think of.\n> >1. Although NiCad (145,145,160,165c,170,180) batteries should be \ncompletely\n> > discharged about once a month, LeadAcid batteries (100) shouldn\'t \never be\n> > completely discharged (well, maybe ONCE in a while is OKAY).\n> >\n> This is a very common mis-conception dealing with Ni-cad batteries. It \nis \n> a good idea to completely discharge a ni-cad CELL periodically. It is\n> NOT a good idea to completely discharge a ni-cad BATTERY. The \ndifference\n> being that a cell is only one cell (nicad puts out 1.2 volts) like a\n> rechargeable AAA, AA, C, or D. A battery is defined as more than one\n> cell (9 volt, or 7.2 for nicad equivalent). Due to differences in the\n> individual cells of a battery, complete discharge can actually harm\n> a nicad battery more than help it overcome the "memory effect". The\n> most common problem is that over time an individual cell can develop\n> internal shorts, which will weaken other cells that are connected to\n> it, thus reducing the lifespan of your battery pack.\n> \netc....\n\nOkay, naive question: How does one discharge a cell without discharging \nthe entire battery?\n',
'From: csc3phx@vaxa.hofstra.edu\nSubject: Loosing color.\nLines: 9\n\nHi guys.\n\nI am scanning in a color image and it looks fine on the screen. When I \nconverted it into PCX,BMP,GIF files so as to get it into MS Windows the colors\ngot much lighter. For example the yellows became white. Any ideas?\n\nthanks\nDan\ncsc3phx@vaxc.hofstra.edu\n',
'From: random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nReply-To: presto!random@uunet.uu.net\n <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>\nDistribution: na\nX-Newsreader: Arn V1.01\nLines: 16\nOrganization: I\'m Just Me.\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>, Al Donaldson writes:\n\n> Unrelated question...isn\'t the term "Clipper," as neat as it is,\n> already taken by Intergraph?\n> \n\nYes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used\nin some of thier workstations. \n\nI wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier\nname sake?\n\n--\n // Jeff Hyche \n -There Can Be Only One- \\\\ // presto!random@uunet.uu.net\n \\X/ \n',
"From: dan@danberg.llnl.gov (Dan Bergmann)\nSubject: Need software for baseball stats\nArticle-I.D.: danberg.1qkq0q$8rl\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: danberg.llnl.gov\n\n\nI'm looking for software (hopefully free and runs on Unix box) which will\nkeep track of statistics for my company softball team (batting avg. etc.).\n\nIf you know of any please post or respond to me by e-mail. Many thanks.\n\n-- \n**************************************************\n** Dan Bergmann dbergmann@llnl.gov ** \n**************************************************\n",
'From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt)\nSubject: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements\nLines: 88\n\nRecently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well\nstocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being \ndistributed by the good folks who work there. Traders, BTW, is located in\nSan Leandro, CA.\n\nGranted, the document may be asking you and I to help out Traders, but in the\nbig scope of things, I feel that we would do all gun owners a favor by helping\nto this cause.\n\nAnyway, here it is:\n\nNEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP\n\nAre you letting the newspapers tell you how to live your life, what\'s good for\nyou, what\'s not, and exercise blatant censorship over what you read in their\nadvertisments?\n\nThe newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer\nsee the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years.\n\nThese ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for\nsporting use or self-protection. They certainly have the right to do so, under\nthe Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms.\n\nIf you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor, yet refuse to\nrun legitimate gun ads, please send a letter to the editors indicating your\ndispleasure over their censorship doctrine.\n\nFollowing is a list of Bay area newspapers who censor gun ads. Perhaps you\'d\nlike to send them your thoughts on this issue!\n\nOakland Tribune\t\tDaily Review\t\tAlameda Times-Star\nPOB 28883\t\tPOB 5050\t\t1516 Oak St.\nOakland, CA 94604\tHayward,94540\tAlameda, CA 94501\n\nArgus\t\t\tTri Valley Herald\tSan Leandro Times\n3850 Decoto Rd.\t\tPOB 10367\t\t161 W. Juana Ave.\nFremont, CA 94555\tPleasanton, CA 94588\tSan Leandro, CA 94577\n\nContra Costa Times\tSan Mateo Times\t\tSan Francisco Chronicle\nPOB 5088\t\tPOB 5400\t\t901 Mission St.\nWalnut Creek, CA 94596\tSan Mateo, CA 94402\tSan Francisco, CA 94103\n\nSan Fran. Independent\tSan Fran. Examiner\tSan Jose Mercury News\n1201 Evans Ave\t\t110 5th St.\t\t750 Ridder Park Dr.\nSan Fran., CA 94124\tSan Fran., CA 94103\tSan Jose, CA 95190\n\nThen there are six pages of "facts". I can not validate these facts, and \nthere were no sources, but many feel and sound very true. Here are the topic\nheadlines:\n\n- Big Media Snow Job\n- Blaming Firearms for Murder is Like Blaming Hospitals for Death\n- I could use the same Nazi Journalistic Technique of CBS and ABC to prove\n that Hospitals Cause Death\n- How NBC, CBS, and ABC have scammed the American people on "gun control"\n- American TV journalism is based on Nazi journalism\n- Why TV journalists lie\n- The Government with the help of the TV networks, has succeeded in playing\n one group against the other\n- Gun laws are unconstitutional\n- American gun laws are based on Nazi gun laws\n- The Government is trying to devide and conquer\n- The CIA wants your firearms\n\nand so on for six pages.\n\nSo now we have the media trying help put gun dealers out of business by trying\nto limit their exposure to potential customers, and preventing the customers\nfrom reading about sales of ammunition and firearms for sporting, hunting, or\nother recreational use.\n\nLet me know if you write to any of these bozos.\n\n/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n\n| Peter D. Nesbitt | Air Traffic Controller | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM |\n\n| | Oakland Bay TRACON | |\n\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n\n| CBR600F2 Pilot | NRA Member CCX1380F | S&W .41 Magnum Carrier |\n\n\\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/\n\n\n\n',
'From: as000060@orion.yorku.ca\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nLines: 23\nOrganization: York University\nDistribution: na\n\nIn article <C5F6rJ.7BJ@NCoast.ORG>, actuary@NCoast.ORG (Steven M. Goldman) writes:\n>>\n>>So who will start this year\'s All Star game for the AL?\n> \n> Probably Alomar. \n> \n> Not to put him down; he\'s a great player. But it helps to have \n> all the recognition he\'s had, plus to play in a city which is\n> likely to pour in the votes...\n\nI like Alomar. But I\'d like to differ with your opinion about "a city\nwhich is likely to pour in the votes...".\n\nI attended many games last year during the balloting. I know that a\ngreat number of the attendees DID NOT fill out their ballots, but left\nthem, beer soaked and torn on the floor of the stands. Toronto gets\nno more and no less votes than any other city for the All Star game.\n\nUnfortunately, this is not a one time thing. I\'ve attended games\nduring the last four seasons, and it has happened every time. The\napathetic attitude to All Star ballots really offends me.\n\nLjs\n',
"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nNntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com\nOrganization: The Instrumentality\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <C5L9qB.4y5@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at\n>expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.\n>Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...\n\nHis _heart_? This jerk doesn't have a heart, and it beats me why you're\napologizing for him. In my book, behavior like this is unprofessional,\ninexcusable, and beyond the pale. If he's overworked, it's because he's too\nbusy raking in the bucks. More likely, he just likes to push women around.\nI'd fire the s.o.b., and get myself another doctor.\n\n-- \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. |\nPeter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n",
'From: billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen)\nSubject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor?\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 5\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpcspe17.col.hp.com\n\n\nReport them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau).\n\nBill Claussen\n\n',
'From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning)\nSubject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea...\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 25\n\nThe Clipper Chip will have no effect. Current generation PCs, portable\nand desktop, all have analog voice -> digital voice and vice versa\ncapabilities. So, I only need a modem output to the telephone,\nand I can interpose any encryption screen on my voice traffic I want.\n\nNot even a big deal, but it will pass muster if the have a way\nof checking whether I am using their Clipper Chip encryption without\na full decoding.\n\nI have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually\ndishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously\nrefrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting\nclients.\n\nNow, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning\nas a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics\n(truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics\n(truth is understanding the external world).\n\nMaybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8)\n\nLew\n-- \nLew Glendenning\t\trlglende@netcom.com\n"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."\tNiels Bohr (or somebody like that).\n',
'From: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lance Gay)\nSubject: Out of environment space running BAT files from Windows\nArticle-I.D.: venice.1993Apr23.005117.21582\nOrganization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA\nLines: 17\n\nI have a .BAT file that I run under a Windows Icon. I have set up a PIF\nfile to run the BAT file in exclusive mode and to use the entire screen.\nThe first line of the BAT file sets an environment variable.\n\nMy problem is that on some of our machines (running MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows\n3.1 in enhanced mode), the SET command in the BAT file fails with the\nOUT OF ENVIRONMENT SPACE error. I have raised the amount of environment \nspace to 2048 bytes using the SHELL command in CONFIG.SYS so I know that\nI am nowhere near to running out. If I just click on the MS-DOS icon,\nI can create a bunch of environment varibles from the DOS shell. The problem\nis that on some machines, setting the value of an environment variable in\na BAT file fails. Has anyone seen such behavior before? I see no place in the\nPIF fail to configure environment space.\n \nLance J. Gay Internet: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com\nTRW Systems Engineering & Development Div. Phone: 310-764-3988\nCarson, CA 90746\n',
"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)\nSubject: USENET Hockey Draft week 26 price list\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division\nLines: 264\n\nHere is the price list for the week April 6 to April 12.\n\n\t- Andrew\n\nBuy\tSell\tPts\tTeam\tPlayer\n157.5\t141.8\t150\tPIT\tMario_Lemieux\n152.1\t136.9\t143\tBUF\tPat_LaFontaine\n139.3\t125.4\t131\tBOS\tAdam_Oates\n133.8\t120.4\t129\tDET\tSteve_Yzerman\n132.9\t119.6\t125\tWPG\tTeemu_Selanne\n132.9\t119.6\t125\tTOR\tDoug_Gilmour\n130.9\t117.8\t120\tNYI\tPierre_Turgeon\n129.7\t116.7\t122\tBUF\tAlexander_Mogilny\n126.0\t113.4\t117\tPHI\tMark_Recchi\n120.2\t108.2\t113\tLA\tLuc_Robitaille\n115.9\t104.3\t109\tQUE\tMats_Sundin\n111.3\t100.2\t106\tPIT\tKevin_Stevens\n108.5\t97.7\t102\tSTL\tCraig_Janney\n108.5\t97.7\t102\tVAN\tPavel_Bure\n106.3\t95.7\t100\tCHI\tJeremy_Roenick\n105.3\t94.8\t99\tQUE\tJoe_Sakic\n104.0\t93.6\t99\tPIT\tRick_Tocchet\n103.1\t92.8\t97\tSTL\tBrett_Hull\n102.1\t91.9\t96\tBOS\tJoe_Juneau\n102.1\t91.9\t96\tTOR\tDave_Andreychuk\n101.9\t91.7\t97\tPIT\tRon_Francis\n99.8\t89.8\t95\tMTL\tVincent_Damphousse\n98.9\t89.0\t93\tMIN\tMike_Modano\n98.9\t89.0\t93\tWPG\tPhil_Housley\n98.9\t89.0\t93\tCGY\tTheoren_Fleury\n97.8\t88.0\t92\tBUF\tDale_Hawerchuk\n97.7\t87.9\t93\tMTL\tKirk_Muller\n96.0\t86.4\t88\tNYR\tMark_Messier\n94.6\t85.1\t89\tSTL\tBrendan_Shanahan\n94.4\t85.0\t91\tDET\tDino_Ciccarelli\n91.4\t82.3\t86\tLA\tJari_Kurri\n91.4\t82.3\t87\tPIT\tJaromir_Jagr\n90.3\t81.3\t86\tMTL\tBrian_Bellows\n88.3\t79.5\t82\tWSH\tPeter_Bondra\n87.3\t78.6\t80\tHFD\tGeoff_Sanderson\n87.2\t78.5\t82\tCGY\tRobert_Reichel\n87.2\t78.5\t82\tQUE\tSteve_Duchesne\n87.1\t78.4\t84\tDET\tPaul_Coffey\n86.1\t77.5\t83\tDET\tSergei_Fedorov\n85.1\t76.6\t79\tTB\tBrian_Bradley\n85.1\t76.6\t79\tPHI\tRod_Brind'Amour\n85.1\t76.6\t81\tPIT\tLarry_Murphy\n84.0\t75.6\t77\tHFD\tAndrew_Cassels\n84.0\t75.6\t77\tHFD\tPat_Verbeek\n84.0\t75.6\t79\tLA\tTony_Granato\n84.0\t75.6\t78\tWSH\tMike_Ridley\n84.0\t75.6\t77\tNYI\tSteve_Thomas\n83.0\t74.7\t79\tMTL\tStephan_Lebeau\n81.8\t73.6\t76\tWSH\tDale_Hunter\n80.8\t72.7\t76\tQUE\tMike_Ricci\n80.8\t72.7\t76\tBOS\tRay_Bourque\n78.6\t70.7\t73\tWSH\tKevin_Hatcher\n77.7\t69.9\t74\tSJ\tKelly_Kisio\n77.6\t69.8\t73\tVAN\tCliff_Ronning\n77.6\t69.8\t73\tSTL\tJeff_Brown\n77.6\t69.8\t73\tTOR\tNikolai_Borschevsky\n76.6\t68.9\t72\tNJ\tClaude_Lemieux\n76.6\t68.9\t72\tMIN\tDave_Gagner\n76.6\t68.9\t72\tMIN\tRuss_Courtnall\n76.4\t68.8\t70\tNYR\tTony_Amonte\n75.5\t68.0\t71\tVAN\tMurray_Craven\n75.5\t68.0\t71\tLA\tJimmy_Carson\n75.5\t68.0\t71\tCGY\tGary_Suter\n75.5\t68.0\t71\tMIN\tUlf_Dahlen\n74.4\t67.0\t70\tVAN\tGeoff_Courtnall\n74.4\t67.0\t70\tBOS\tDmitri_Kvartalnov\n74.3\t66.9\t69\tWSH\tMichal_Pivonka\n74.2\t66.8\t68\tNYI\tDerek_King\n74.2\t66.8\t68\tNYI\tBenoit_Hogue\n73.4\t66.1\t69\tQUE\tOwen_Nolan\n73.4\t66.1\t69\tCHI\tSteve_Larmer\n73.4\t66.1\t69\tNJ\tAlexander_Semak\n73.1\t65.8\t67\tNYR\tMike_Gartner\n72.3\t65.1\t68\tSTL\tNelson_Emerson\n72.3\t65.1\t68\tCHI\tChris_Chelios\n72.2\t65.0\t67\tPHI\tEric_Lindros\n71.1\t64.0\t66\tWSH\tAl_Iafrate\n70.2\t63.2\t66\tVAN\tTrevor_Linden\n70.2\t63.2\t66\tLA\tMike_Donnelly\n70.0\t63.0\t65\tWSH\tDmitri_Khristich\n69.3\t62.4\t66\tPIT\tJoe_Mullen\n69.1\t62.2\t65\tCGY\tJoe_Nieuwendyk\n69.1\t62.2\t65\tNJ\tStephane_Richer\n68.1\t61.3\t64\tWPG\tAlexei_Zhamnov\n68.1\t61.3\t64\tWPG\tThomas_Steen\n68.1\t61.3\t64\tQUE\tAndrei_Kovalenko\n68.1\t61.3\t64\tVAN\tPetr_Nedved\n66.5\t59.9\t61\tNYR\tAdam_Graves\n66.5\t59.9\t61\tHFD\tZarley_Zalapski\n66.4\t59.8\t64\tDET\tRay_Sheppard\n64.9\t58.4\t61\tTOR\tGlenn_Anderson\n64.1\t57.7\t61\tSJ\tJohan_Garpenlov\n63.8\t57.4\t60\tOTT\tNorm_Maciver\n63.0\t56.7\t60\tMTL\tMike_Keane\n63.0\t56.7\t60\tPIT\tShawn_McEachern\n62.7\t56.4\t59\tLA\tRob_Blake\n62.7\t56.4\t59\tLA\tWayne_Gretzky\n62.5\t56.3\t58\tPHI\tGarry_Galley\n62.5\t56.3\t58\tPHI\tBrent_Fedyk\n61.1\t55.0\t56\tNYI\tPat_Flatley\n60.6\t54.5\t57\tCGY\tSergei_Makarov\n60.6\t54.5\t57\tNJ\tBernie_Nicholls\n60.1\t54.1\t58\tDET\tSteve_Chiasson\n59.5\t53.6\t56\tCHI\tSteve_Smith\n59.5\t53.6\t56\tQUE\tScott_Young\n59.1\t53.2\t57\tDET\tPaul_Ysebaert\n58.9\t53.0\t54\tNYR\tSergei_Nemchinov\n58.5\t52.7\t55\tNJ\tValeri_Zelepukin\n58.2\t52.4\t54\tWSH\tPat_Elynuik\n58.2\t52.4\t54\tTB\tJohn_Tucker\n58.2\t52.4\t54\tPHI\tKevin_Dineen\n57.4\t51.7\t54\tVAN\tGreg_Adams\n56.4\t50.8\t53\tWPG\tDarrin_Shannon\n55.6\t50.0\t51\tNYR\tDarren_Turcotte\n55.3\t49.8\t52\tNJ\tScott_Stevens\n55.0\t48.8\t51\tCHI\tChristian_Ruuttu\n55.0\t48.8\t51\tVAN\tDixon_Ward\n55.0\t48.8\t51\tWPG\tFredrik_Olausson\n55.0\t48.2\t49\tNYR\tEd_Olczyk\n55.0\t47.9\t50\tWPG\tKeith_Tkachuk\n55.0\t47.2\t48\tNYI\tJeff_Norton\n55.0\t46.9\t49\tTOR\tJohn_Cullen\n55.0\t46.9\t49\tVAN\tAnatoli_Semenov\n55.0\t46.9\t49\tCGY\tAl_MacInnis\n55.0\t46.9\t49\tBOS\tStephen_Leach\n55.0\t45.9\t48\tCHI\tBrent_Sutter\n55.0\t45.4\t48\tMTL\tDenis_Savard\n55.0\t45.2\t46\tHFD\tTerry_Yake\n55.0\t45.0\t47\tNJ\tJohn_MacLean\n55.0\t44.6\t46\tWSH\tSylvain_Cote\n55.0\t44.0\t46\tEDM\tPetr_Klima\n55.0\t44.0\t46\tEDM\tShayne_Corson\n55.0\t44.0\t46\tLA\tTomas_Sandstrom\n55.0\t44.0\t46\tEDM\tCraig_Simpson\n55.0\t43.5\t46\tMTL\tGilbert_Dionne\n55.0\t43.2\t44\tNYI\tVladimir_Malakhov\n55.0\t43.0\t45\tBOS\tDave_Poulin\n55.0\t43.0\t45\tSTL\tKevin_Miller\n55.0\t43.0\t45\tLA\tAlexei_Zhitnik\n55.0\t43.0\t45\tQUE\tMartin_Rucinsky\n55.0\t43.0\t45\tWPG\tEvgeny_Davydov\n55.0\t42.7\t44\tWSH\tKelly_Miller\n55.0\t42.1\t44\tEDM\tDoug_Weight\n55.0\t42.1\t44\tEDM\tDave_Manson\n55.0\t41.2\t42\tHFD\tPatrick_Poulin\n55.0\t41.1\t43\tCHI\tMichel_Goulet\n55.0\t40.7\t42\tPHI\tPelle_Eklund\n55.0\t40.2\t42\tMIN\tMark_Tinordi\n55.0\t39.7\t42\tMTL\tMathieu_Schneider\n55.0\t39.2\t41\tCGY\tPaul_Ranheim\n55.0\t39.2\t41\tEDM\tTodd_Elik\n55.0\t39.2\t41\tBOS\tVladimir_Ruzicka\n55.0\t39.2\t41\tOTT\tSylvain_Turgeon\n55.0\t37.4\t39\tTOR\tDave_Ellett\n55.0\t37.4\t40\tDET\tNiklas_Lidstrom\n55.0\t37.4\t40\tDET\tBob_Probert\n55.0\t36.4\t38\tNJ\tPeter_Stastny\n55.0\t36.4\t37\tNYR\tEsa_Tikkanen\n55.0\t36.4\t38\tOTT\tBrad_Shaw\n55.0\t36.4\t38\tTOR\tWendel_Clark\n55.0\t36.4\t38\tBUF\tYuri_Khmylev\n55.0\t35.4\t37\tVAN\tSergio_Momesso\n55.0\t35.4\t37\tOTT\tBob_Kudelski\n55.0\t35.4\t36\tNYR\tBrian_Leetch\n55.0\t35.4\t37\tNJ\tBobby_Holik\n55.0\t34.5\t36\tTOR\tRob_Pearson\n55.0\t34.5\t36\tMIN\tMike_McPhee\n55.0\t34.4\t35\tNYR\tAlexei_Kovalev\n55.0\t33.9\t35\tTB\tAdam_Creighton\n55.0\t33.5\t35\tEDM\tZdeno_Ciger\n55.0\t32.6\t34\tLA\tCorey_Millen\n55.0\t32.6\t34\tCHI\tDirk_Graham\n55.0\t31.6\t33\tTOR\tPeter_Zezel\n55.0\t30.6\t32\tBOS\tTed_Donato\n55.0\t30.6\t32\tQUE\tValery_Kamensky\n55.0\t30.2\t32\tMTL\tGary_Leeman\n55.0\t29.9\t32\tDET\tKeith_Primeau\n55.0\t29.7\t31\tBUF\tWayne_Presley\n55.0\t29.7\t31\tMIN\tNeal_Broten\n55.0\t29.7\t31\tBOS\tSteve_Heinze\n55.0\t29.1\t30\tPHI\tJosef_Beranek\n55.0\t28.7\t30\tCHI\tStephane_Matteau\n55.0\t28.7\t30\tBUF\tRichard_Smehlik\n55.0\t28.7\t30\tTOR\tDmitri_Mironov\n55.0\t28.4\t29\tNYI\tBrian_Mullen\n55.0\t27.2\t28\tPHI\tDmitri_Yushkevich\n55.0\t26.8\t28\tCHI\tBrian_Noonan\n55.0\t26.8\t28\tEDM\tScott_Mellanby\n55.0\t26.5\t28\tSJ\tPat_Falloon\n55.0\t25.8\t27\tSTL\tIgor_Korolev\n55.0\t25.6\t26\tNYR\tJames_Patrick\n55.0\t24.8\t26\tBUF\tPetr_Svoboda\n55.0\t23.9\t25\tOTT\tMark_Lamb\n55.0\t23.2\t24\tTB\tMikael_Andersson\n55.0\t22.6\t23\tNYI\tScott_LaChance\n55.0\t22.1\t23\tEDM\tKevin_Todd\n55.0\t21.3\t22\tWSH\tBob_Carpenter\n55.0\t21.1\t22\tTOR\tBill_Berg\n55.0\t21.1\t22\tWPG\tSergei_Bautin\n55.0\t20.8\t22\tMTL\tBenoit_Brunet\n55.0\t20.6\t21\tNYI\tDavid_Volek\n55.0\t20.6\t21\tHFD\tMikael_Nylander\n55.0\t20.1\t21\tMIN\tBrent_Gilchrist\n55.0\t19.6\t20\tNYR\tPhil_Bourque\n55.0\t19.6\t20\tNYI\tRay_Ferraro\n55.0\t18.6\t19\tHFD\tYvon_Corriveau\n55.0\t18.2\t19\tEDM\tMartin_Gelinas\n55.0\t17.7\t19\tDET\tJim_Hiller\n55.0\t17.6\t18\tNYI\tDarius_Kasparaitis\n55.0\t17.5\t18\tPHI\tAndrei_Lomakin\n55.0\t17.2\t18\tBUF\tDonald_Audette\n55.0\t15.5\t16\tTB\tRoman_Hamrlik\n55.0\t15.1\t16\tSJ\tMark_Pederson\n55.0\t14.2\t15\tPIT\tMartin_Straka\n55.0\t12.4\t13\tNJ\tJanne_Ojanen\n55.0\t12.4\t13\tOTT\tTomas_Jelinek\n55.0\t11.5\t12\tCHI\tJoe_Murphy\n55.0\t10.8\t11\tNYR\tPeter_Andersson\n55.0\t10.6\t11\tTB\tSteve_Kasper\n55.0\t10.5\t11\tBOS\tCam_Neely\n55.0\t9.5\t10\tMIN\tBobby_Smith\n55.0\t9.5\t10\tSJ\tRay_Whitney\n55.0\t8.8\t9\tHFD\tRobert_Petrovicky\n55.0\t8.6\t9\tBUF\tViktor_Gordijuk\n55.0\t7.7\t8\tQUE\tMikhail_Tatarinov\n55.0\t7.7\t8\tTOR\tJoe_Sacco\n55.0\t7.6\t8\tSJ\tPeter_Ahola\n55.0\t6.7\t7\tCHI\tRob_Brown\n55.0\t6.7\t7\tBOS\tGlen_Murray\n55.0\t5.9\t6\tHFD\tTim_Kerr\n55.0\t4.9\t5\tWSH\tReggie_Savage\n55.0\t4.8\t5\tSTL\tVitali_Prokhorov\n55.0\t4.8\t5\tLA\tRobert_Lang\n55.0\t4.8\t5\tEDM\tShaun_Van_Allen\n55.0\t3.9\t4\tBOS\tJozef_Stumpel\n55.0\t3.9\t4\tMIN\tDan_Quinn\n55.0\t3.8\t4\tPIT\tBryan_Fogarty\n55.0\t3.7\t4\tDET\tViacheslav_Kozlov\n55.0\t2.9\t3\tTB\tStan_Drulia\n55.0\t2.9\t3\tMIN\tBrian_Propp\n55.0\t2.9\t3\tMTL\tOlav_Petrov\n55.0\t2.0\t2\tWSH\tJason_Woolley\n55.0\t1.9\t2\tNJ\tClaude_Vilgrain\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tVAN\tIgor_Larionov\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tTB\tBrent_Gretzky\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tOTT\tAlexei_Yashin\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tQUE\tPeter_Forsberg\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tEDM\tDean_McAmmond\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tWSH\tBrian_Sakic\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tWSH\tRandy_Burridge\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tMTL\tPatrick_Kjellberg\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tCGY\tCory_Stillman\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tCHI\tSergei_Krivokrasov\n55.0\t0.0\t0\tBUF\tJason_Dawe\n-- \nAndrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com\nHP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253\n\nDuring the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...\n",
'From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nReply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) says:\n\n>\n>In a previous article, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) says:\n>\n>>\n>> How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the\n>>Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these\n>>countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic\n>>Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious.\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>\n>I thought there are no jews live in Arab countries, didn\'t hey move\n>all to Palestine? "Only the happy jews did not move!!"\n>\n>Would you tell me which Arab country is prohipiting the Jews from\n>migrating to Palestine?\n\nthe last arab country was syria. but not all of them\nmigrated due to the jewish state economical and \nsecurital dilemma!\n\n>\n-- \n ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________\n (______ _ | _ |_ \n_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo\n',
'From: leblanc@cvm.msu.edu (Pat Leblanc)\nSubject: wireless data transfer\nOrganization: Michigan State University, College of Veterinary Medicine\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: inst0027.cvm.msu.edu\n\nI am involved with a Michigan company that has an application requiring \nwireless data transfer. If you have expertise or information that may \nassist us in this project, please contact me (INTERNET: leblanc@cvm.msu.\nedu).\n\n',
'From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: ST (TOS) and SF Movie Videotapes (BETA) for Sale/Trade [repost]\nSummary: trade for other Beta, used CD\'s or barter other merchandise\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nDistribution: na\nLines: 52\n\nnyamane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norm Yamane) writes:\n>\n>I have the following videos for sale. All have been viewed once\n>and are in good condition:\n>\n>Star Trek (TOS) Collector\'s Edition\n> All 79 episodes. (39 tapes) Asking $800 for the lot.\n\nI\'ve got 7 episodes left on *Beta* for Sale at US$8 each (neg.), or\nfor Trade 1-for-1 for movie on Beta or a used CD; or, a package deal\nfor $50 or whatever you care to propose in trade -- e.g., all for a\nset of good stereo headphones (e.g. Sony V6 or V7), an Apple IWII\nsheet feeder, a good used FM/Cassette stereo "walkman" or a hotel\ncoupon(s) for free stays FOB New York City (guests coming!)). The\nremaining collection is as follows:\n\n 8 - Charlie X\n 11 - Dagger of the Mind\n 12 - Miri\n 17 - Shore Leave\n 20 - The Alternative Factor\n 29 - Operation-Annihilate!\n 33 - Who Mourns for Adonais?\n\nNumbers indicate episode numbering on the tape boxes, for those who\nare keeping track of what episodes they\'re missing in that manner.\n\nRSVP for summaries, if necessary.\n\nThe tapes are all in excellent condition in the original packaging.\nAll have been played at least once, but most have been played ONLY\nonce, and NONE have been played more than twice. Running time: ~50\nmin. ea. (Unedited, uncut store-bought originals unlike those in\nsyndication; all have *incredible* Beta HiFi sound!)\n\nI also have the following SF and Horror movies on Beta as well; US$10\n(negotiable) or Trade (1-for-1 swap for movie on Beta or a used CD):\n\n The Bride (Sting, Jennifer Beales)\n* Buck Rogers Conquers the Universe (Buster Crabbe, Constance Moore)\n\nRSVP for my larger Beta movies/music trade list, or find it on Misc.forsale!\n\ngld\n\nPS: For those of you who may wonder, Beta is alive as a pro/hobbyist\nformat ... there\'s life beyond the corner video store! (-;\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n',
'From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan)\nSubject: Reaction-Diffusion techniques\nOrganization: Engineering Animation, Inc.\nLines: 24\n\nThis past week I\'ve been playing with some of the R-D (Reaction-\nDiffusion, not to be confused with RDS or R&D) techniques\nfrom SIGGRAPH \'91.\n\nI was wondering what material is available to explain the control\nmechanism a little more. It seems to me very much like a matter of\npicking random magic numbers and sitting back and waiting. Although\nboth of the papers (Turk and Witkin & Kass) were very well organized\nand extremely helpful, I guess what I need is a more basic description\nof the technique, especially wrt the control mechanisms. The tests\nthat I did had a tendency to either turn into blurry mud or become\nunstable.\n\nIs there any info available online? Source code would be great but\nnot necessary.\n\nThanks!\n\n\n-- \n---\nTerran J. Boylan, Sr. Artist/Programmer | "It\'s better to have loved\nEngineering Animation, Inc., Ames, IA | and lost than just to have\n(515) 296-9908 / (515) 296-7892 (> 5PM) | lost." -- Dorky Dog\n',
"From: bchase@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Bret Chase)\nSubject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?)\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 44\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu\n\nIn article <C5MqK0.F29@liverpool.ac.uk> wis@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. W.I. Sellers) writes:\n>Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote:\n>: In article <C5KzLs.KKB@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes:\n>: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes:\n>: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is\n>: >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? \n>\n>: > The LC family of Macs can only\n>: > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus.\n>\n>: Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the\n>: difference is between PDS and Nubus? \n>\n>: Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a\n>: Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to\n>: locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for\n>: this?\n>\n>I think that there do exist NuBus expansion cages (I'm sure I've seen\n>them advertised occassionally), but I think that the main problem is that\n>they cost much more than the difference in price between say a LC and IIvx\n>so unless you need lots of NuBus slots its not worth the bother.\n>\n>(Of course, it may be that these extra boxes are so expensive because\n>no one buys them because they are so expensive...)\n>\n>NuBus technology isn't a special Apple Proprietry thing (I have this\n>sneaky feeling that it is licensed from Texas Instruments???) so there\n>is no problem building an expansion box.\n\nApple uses the IEEE Nubus-90 standard for their 32 bit backplane bus.\n(I got this from a technote that I reada couple of weeks ago)\n\n>>>>>>>>>>other stuff deleted<<<<<<<<<\n\nHope this helps,\nBret Chase\n\n\n-- \ninternet:bchase@wpi.wpi.edu\t\t\tMacintosh!\nbellnet: (508) 791-3725 Smile! It won't kill you!\nsnailnet: wpi box 3129 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)\n 100 institute rd.\t\t\tWorcester, MA 01609-2280\n",
'From: kobet@xsun2a.ct.picker.com (Harry J Kobetitsch)\nSubject: xwd\nNntp-Posting-Host: 144.54.64.38\nOrganization: Picker International, Inc.\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\nI am trying to run xwd on a Sun SPARCstation IPX\nwith SunOS 4.1.2 and Openwindows 3.0. I am using\nthe Motif window manager. I have been unsuccessful\nin using xwd under Motif. I get the following when\ndoing xwd -out xwd.dmp\n\nX Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)\n Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage)\n Resource id in failed request: 0x500043\n Serial number of failed request: 213\n Current serial number in output stream: 213\n\nDoes anyone have any insight to this ?\n',
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1rambk$cee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:\n\n>ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:\n\n[Andi\'s posting deleted...]\n\nHamaza\'s only comment is:\n\n>Well said Mr. Beyer :)\n\nAndi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know\nyou\'re on the wrong track.\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
"From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage)\nSubject: X for PC\nOrganization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nFor those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at\nthe following sitex:\n\n\tascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir\n\twuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo\n\tdirectory\n\n\tThe three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and\n drivers.zip.\n\nJosh\n-- \n+ Joshua Weage : U.S. Snail - 277 Spring Rd, Baroda, MI 49101 +\n+ E-Mail: cs890@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu | ai900@yfn.ysu.edu +\n+ Fidonet: Joshua Weage @ 1:2340/130 +\n+ All ideas are my own and no one elses!! +\n",
"From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu\nSubject: RE: the truth starts to come out\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Stephen F. Austin State University\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C5uA7r.DAD@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com>, pprun@august.it.uswc.uswest.com writes:\n> \n> \n> I have just one thing to say about this: WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON!\n> The FBI and BATF storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with\n> this. Demand a full investigation of the Waco survivor's story of\n> the lantern being knocked over by the tank. We can't bring anybody\n> back from the dead, but we may be able to send a few of them to\n> political hell.\n\nI heard over NPR yesterday morning that Arlan Specter, Senator from\nPennsylvania, has already called for a Congressional investigation.\nThe problem is that Specter was one of the key government attorneys several\nyears ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations\nof JFK and others. That is to say, the Chief Fox wants to check out\nthe hen house. Writing your representatives is a great idea. When\nyou do ask that they keep Specter and his cronies far away from \nany investigation.\n> \n> Would someone please post the generic addresses for Congress and \n> Senate so that we can all write letters?\n-- \n * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *\n Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not\n <f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> | matter at all what actually happened.\n Red-neck and proud of it. | Truth is what the government chooses to \n | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen.\n\t\t\t\t\tJim Garrison, New Orleans, La.\n",
'From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nOrganization: CDAC, WA\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.130427.21349@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes:\n>\n>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes:\n>|> Hello,\n>|> \n>|> \tDoes anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine\n>|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind\n>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!\n>|> \tDo you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable\n>|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too\n>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak?\n>|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson\n\n I would suggest you take the car to the nearest Chevron dealer, with\nyour own oil and filter. Ask for an oil change. It will cost less\nthan $10. Watch him/her do it. Just from watching someone do a job,\nyou will be able to learn and remember the sequence, and do it right\nwhen you do it yourself the next time. Besides, when he/she loosens\nthe drain nut, the next time around it will be easier for you.\n\n If it is stuck, use an impact wrench. Not too much force though.\nUse a new washer each time you put the nut back.....\n\n-S\nssave@ole.cdac.com\n\n\n',
'From: alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!))\nSubject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!\nOrganization: Longinus Software & Garden ov Delights\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:\n>\n> Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have\n>probably spent more time than you doing the same. \n>\n> None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the\n>case. \n\nCan we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that\nAMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin\noff of AMORC??\ni would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this\nclaim. \n\n>Study Harder,\n\nStudy Smarter, not Harder! :-)\n\n\n\n-- \n--->|<-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n<---|---> More. More of Everything. More of Everything for Everybody.\n <-|-> "Real total war has become information war, it is being fought now..."\n<---|---> !MaX! Delysid - alamut@netcom.com - ALamutBBS 415.431.7541 1:125/51\n--->|<-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n',
"From: dingman+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Dingman)\nSubject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem\nNntp-Posting-Host: pie9.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.001127.4928@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) writes:\n>\n>The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are\n>backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in\n>effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two\n>modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables &\n>all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order\n>directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and\n>they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty...\n>\n\nHmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the\nwarranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near\nCleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-))\nand a lifetime warranty. The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne,\nand every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T \npart numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the \nCompuServe intro kit.\n\n>-- \n>Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department\n>behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!)\n\nIf anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777. I ordered mine\nlast Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from\nCleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-) On the down side they only ship UPS COD.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t- Chris\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Christopher P. Dingman |\n| Electrical and Computer Eng. Dept. dingman@ece.cmu.edu |\n| Carnegie Mellon University (412) 268-7119 |\n| 5000 Forbes Ave |\n| Pittsburgh, PA 15213 |\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n",
'From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)\nSubject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality)\nOrganization: University of Joensuu\nLines: 9\n\n\tLong time, no see.\n\n\t\t\tAndreas\n\n-- \n\n\t\tAndreas - Siperian Sirri Siberian Stint\n\n\tNo ITU, love, evolution. Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut !\n',
"From: m91nen@tdb.uu.se (Nils Engstrom)\nSubject: Re: compiling on sun4_411\nOrganization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <Yfo=qfe00WB2QzZ7EZ@andrew.cmu.edu> Wilson Swee <ws8n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>_sin\n>_cos\n>_pow\n>_floor\n\nLink with '-lm' (math library).\n\n>_get_wmShellWidgetClass\n>_get_applicationShellWidgetClass\n\nThis is a bug in Sun's shared libraries. Linking with\n'-assert nodefinitions' should do the trick.\n\n\tn\n",
'From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)\nSubject: Misc Stuff for Sale\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science\nLines: 38\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu\n\nMisc. Items for sale:\n\n\nMount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players\nfor Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony\nCD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a \n\t cassette adapter in SO SO condition.\n\t Paid $45...............Asking $30.\n\nCar Speakers:\tSherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,\n5 1/4 inch:\texcellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40.\n\n4 inch:\t Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20.\n\n\nNintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land, \nGameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years\n+ games: old\tall in working condition, Asking $70.\nAccessories:\n\n\nWhole Internet:\tThe Whole Internet: User\'s Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,\nbook:\t\tguide to using the internet, where to fing information and \n\t\tresources. Paid $30..........Asking $20.\n\nMicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30.\nVisual Basic:\n\nMicroSoft: \t Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100.\nWord for Windows:\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\tThanks,\n\n\t\t\t\t\tJonathan D. Fields\n\t\t\t\t\tfields@cis.ohio-state.edu\n\n\n',
'From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)\nSubject: Re: "militia" (incredibly long)\nOrganization: Totally Unorganized\nLines: 75\n\nIn article <C5n0vy.EJ6@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n<In article <1qna9m$nq8@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n<-> In article <C5L0n2.5LL@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n<-> > But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large\n<-> > group of poeple twice a year. Just to try to get the same people\n<-> > every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can\n<-> > be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it \n<-> > requires a continually standing committee of organizers. \n<-> \n<-> Again, my response is, "so what?" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since\n<-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support\n<-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from \n<-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the\n<-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it.\n<\n<No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was "a little bit\n<and an anachronism." These prohibiting laws are examples why the are\n<an anachronism. After all, laws in made by representatives of the \n<people. These representatives of the people have already decided\n<that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some\n<cases. Since these representatives feel an unconditional \n<interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority\n<of the people feel the same way. If this is so, it is an example\n<of the people using their power of government. If this is not\n<how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes.\n\nWrong. Neglecting that the government and media have bullshitted the\npeople almost nonstop on this issue, Constitutional limitations are\nthere to prevent a \'tyrrany of the majority\'. For example, a majority\ncould vote that given ethnics have no rights, are not people, etc.\nand it would fly using the logic above.\n\nWhen government feels the Constitution is not right for the times,\nthere is a procedure called an AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. THis\nis deliberately difficult, and cumbersome, to prevent abuse of those\nwho decide to ignore the people, or impose unjust policies of a\nmajority on a minority. A lynch mob is a majority, remember, outvoting\nthe hangee.\n\nWhat the government is doing are VIOLATIONS, end-runs around the\nlimitations on the government, probably because they know that the\npeople would be very hard to convince that a good intention is behind\ntampering with the Bill of Rights. Government propeganda on guns has\nbeen very strong and persistant, but not THAT strong. And it just\nshows how gullible the people have become to "I am from the government\nand am here to help you sort of line". We have been lied to, fed\nhalf truths, rigged stats, while the government knows their control\nlaws have no effect on crime. They want a government monopoly on\nforce, pure and simple. Do you REALLY want the government to be able\nto override Constitutional limitations by a simple vote of a bunch\nof elitists (congresscritters)? I sure don\'t. The Founding Fathers\nsure as hell didn\'t, either.\n\n<> Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the\n<-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated\n<-> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a \n<-> number of times. \n<\n<No, I simple stated that the people have a right to "join a well\n<organized militia." And I have also stated that a militia that\n<meets once or twice a year is clearly "well organized." And this\n<state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a "right"\n<to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated\n<by Hamilton. \n\nYou better read the Senate Subcommitte on the Constitution regarding the\nSecond Amendment, and a linguist\'s analisys of the Second itself.\nIN the meanwhile, show us some stuff to back up your assertions.\nAnd yes, I have the above mentioned documents (and more) online.\n\n-- \npat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\nWISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien\n',
"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: CTRL-ALT DEL locks the computer fafter Windows\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nLines: 9\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those\n of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\n\n\n\nWhenever I exit Windows, I can't use control-alt DEL to reboot my \ncomputer, because the system hangs when I do this. I can still reboot \nusing the reset key, but I would like to know why this happens..\n\nEric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n",
'From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore \'92)\nSubject: CLINTON: Press Briefing by George Stephanopoulos 4.5.93\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 581\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n\n THE WHITE HOUSE\n\n Office of the Press Secretary\n\n_____________________________________________________________________\nFor Immediate Release April 5, 1993\n\n\n PRESS BRIEFING\n BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOLOUS\n\n\n The Briefing Room\n\n\n 10:10 A.M. EDT\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know, the President is soon \nto be on his way, on Amtrack to Camden Yards. He\'ll be throwing out \nthe first pitch.\n\t \n\t Q\t It\'s MARC, the Maryland Area Transit, it\'s not \nAmtrack.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, it\'s not Amtrack? Well, he\'s \ngoing from Union Station, you\'re right. Excuse me.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, what exactly are you prepared to do to \nbreak the logjam with ??? Senate?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, as you know, there are \ndiscussions between Senator Mitchell and Senator Dole this morning, \nand I think that the President is going to continue to make the point \nthat he believes that our investment package, our jobs package needs \nto be passed as quickly as possible. We need this investment for \nsummer jobs, for immunization, for highway construction, for the \nimportant programs that will put people back to work right away this \nsummer. And the President continues to believe his program should be \npassed.\n\t \n\t Q\t Will he compromise, that\'s the question?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, as you know, the discussions \nare going on this morning in the Senate betwen Senator Mitchell and \nSenator Dole, let\'s see what they come up with. But the President \nbelieves his jobs program should go forward.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, would the President be willing to accept $8 \nbillion for one year, which apparently appears to be the compromise \nbeing offered by --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I don\'t know what is being \noffered by either side. The Senate discussions are going on right \nnow, let\'s see what happens today.\n\t \n\t Q\t Would he go that far -- no matter what the \nRepublicans have offered so far, would he go that far, $8 billion per \nyear?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President believes that his \nprogram should be passed at this time. Clearly, we\'re going to be \nwilling to listen to what the Senators might or might not be able to \ncome up with, but I\'m not going to get into figures right now. Let\'s \nsee what happens.\n\t \n\t Q\t It\'s reasonable to assume, isn\'t it, from what has \nhappened so far that a compromise is going to be necessary in order \nto get a vote?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the Republicans seem more \nintrested in stopping progress on the President\'s jobs bill, than in \ndoing something to create -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the \nRepublicans seem more interested in stopping progress on the \nPresident\'s jobs bill than in doing something to create real action, \nreal jobs this summer for the American people. I think there\'s no \nquestion about that. There\'s been some frustration of legislative \nactivity over the last few days.\n\t \n\t Q\t So, you\'ll need to compromise to get your package \nthrough?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We\'ll see what happens with the \nconversations between Senator Mitchell and Senator Dole this morning.\n\t \n\t Q\t prepared to compromise --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President\'s prepared to listen \nto what Senator Mitchell has to say this morning after his meeting \nwith Senator Dole. \n\t \n\t Q\t Does he feel that he has been defeated in his --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not in the least. In fact, he\'s \nbeen very successful so far in the beginning of his term.\n\t \n\t Q\t How?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He passed his budget in record \ntime, in six weeks, and it\'s a budget which reduces the deficit by \n$500 billion over five years. And it\'s a budget which provides for \nimportant investments in our future. Right now we\'ve also had strong \npassage of his jobs program through the House. Simply because a \nminority of Republicans in the Senate choose to perpetuate gridlock \nand hold up action on the President\'s jobs program is not a sign that \nhe is not succeeding overall.\n\t \n\t Q\t He can\'t beat this, can he?\n\t \n\t Q\t The fact is they can do that?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the Republicans can stop \naction. There\'s no question about that.\n\t \n\t Q\t What are you going to do about it?\n\t \n\t Q\t George, what do you know about these alleged notes \ntaken by Boris Yeltsin during one of the meetings in which it appears \nthat the President told Boris Yeltsin not to trust the Japanese; that \nwhen they say yes they mean no?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that\'s a complete \nmisreading of what happened at the meeting. The context of the \nconversation was that President Clinton was actually reassuring \nPresident Yeltsin at the time about his conversations with Prime \nMinister Miyazawa over the Kuril Islands and the Prime Minister\'s \nbelief that Japan would play a constructive role in the G-7 process. \nI mean this was a casual comment about Japanese courtesy and \netiquette but overall it was in the context of a conversation where \nhe was reassuring President Yeltsin that he believed the Japanese \nwere serious about their commitment to the G-7 process.\n\t \n\t Q\t Are you saying that the President said that when \nthe Japanese say yes they mean no?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That\'s not -- I don\'t know the \nexact words and there was a much longer discussion about he did say \nsomething along the lines that he believes that on this issue Prime \nMinister Miyazawa intends to really go forward with the G-7 process.\n\t \n\t Q\t Have there been any attempts to explain this to the \nJapanese because apparently the Japanese press has picked this up and \nthere appears to be --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I\'ve seen the reports in the \nJapanese press and it actually does put the situation in context. It \ndoes talk about the Japanese -- understanding the Japanese points of \nview. I don\'t think it\'s going to be a problem. I believe that \nthere may have been some diplomatic context just to clear things up \nbut I\'m not positive.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, was the specific comment that was made \nspecific to the Kuril Island situation or was it a general \nobservation on Japanese etiquette?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The discussion was about --\n\t \n\t Q\t The specific comment is what I\'m asking about that \nhas alleged to have been translated from the Russian notes, "when the \nJapanese say yes they mean no."\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, it was a combination. I mean \nI don\'t think that\'s the whole sentence. I think that the specific \ncomment was a broad, general observation followed up by a specific \nfinish to the sentence where he said in this case he believes that \nPrime Minister Miyazawa means to keep the commitment.\n\t \n\t Q\t Was he saying it facetiously first?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think it was just a casual \nobservation.\n\t \n\t Q\t And then you say diplomatic contacts were made to \nclear it up. Has the President sent a message?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, I don\'t think the President \nspoke; I believe that Secretary Christopher has made some calls but \nI\'m not sure exactly how many.\n\t \n\t Q\t Well, this obviously is a bigger deal than you\'re \nmaking it out to be if Christopher has had to make some calls.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, no. It was just that we got \nthe reports in Vancouver and the Secretary wanted to make sure that \nit was understood and make sure there was absolutely no \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: -- reports in Vancouver, and the \nSecretary wanted to make sure that it was understood, and make sure \nthere is absolutely no misunderstanding, and I don\'t believe there is \non.\n\t \n\t Q\t What is our position about the Japanese? That they \nmay have to say one thing, but actualy mean another?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No. The position on the Japanese \nis as the President stated to President Yeltsin throughout the two \ndays. He said that he had had a good conversation with Prime \nMinister Miazawa prior to the Summit. He reiterated the U.S. \nposition, the long-standing support for the Japanese position on the \nKuril Islands, but also reiterated Prime Minister Miazawa\'s \ncommitment to move forward on the G-7 process and to play a \nconstructive role. And I think President Yeltsin was very glad to \nhear that.\n\t \n\t Q\t After listening to Secretary Christopher on Iraq \nfor the last few days, I\'m a little confused. What is the U.S. \npolicy? Do you want to see Saddam Hussein overturned?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It\'s the same policy that Secretary \nChristopher has reiterated, and all of the U.S officials have \nreiterated. We expect full and complete and unequivocal compliance \nwith all U.N. resolutions. Right now we do not have that compliance.\n\t \n\t Q\t throwing it out further that if Iraq complies, \nSaddam can\'t stay in office?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right. I think that that\'s -- our \njudgment is that it is not possible for Saddam Hussein to comply with \nthe resolutions and stay in power. But the important point is that \nwe expect compliance by Iraq with all U.N. resolutions, and we will \ncontinue to demand it.\n\t \n\t Q\t And are you concerned the Iran will become the \ndominant power in the area --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Secretary Christopher has also \nspoken to Iran over the last several days, and he says we also expect \nfull Iranian compliance with all international norms, and stopping \nsupport of terrorism.\n\t \n\t Q\t That\'s a very glib statement that he won\'t stay in \npower if he complies with U.N. resolutions. On what logic do you \nbase that?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right now Saddam Hussein is not \ncomplying with the U.N. resolutions at all. He is not respecting the \nrights of his people, as is required by the U.N. resolution. He is \nnot fully complying with all the resolutions regarding inspections. \nHe is not fully complying with all the resolutions regarding \narmaments.\n\t \n\t Q\t Well, when do you think that if he did comply he \nwould be out of power?\n\n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, right now his power rests on \nthe repression of his people. If he stopped doing that it would make \nit more difficult for him to stay in power.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, back on the stimulus package, why is it \nthat you and the President accuse the Republicans of playing pure \npolitics and perpetuating gridlock? Why is it that -- what evidence \ndo you have that they just don\'t have a genuine idealogical \ndifference with you that\'s in good faith?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the fact that several times \nin the past the Republicans, many of the ones who are now leading the \nfight for the filibuster, have supported the very funding they now \nseek to stop, most especially, the highway funding. \n\t \n\t Q\t George, in regards to that, some of the moderate \nRepublicans said that the White House erred by not being more open to \nthem during the -- while the plan was put together, that they had \none, sort of, proforma meeting between the White House and the Senate \nRepublicans, and that was it. Does the Administration look back and \nthinks perhaps it could have done a better job of working with some -\n-\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I\'m not sure that it\'s true \nthat there was only one meeting. I mean, the President met with the \nRepublican leadership on at least two occasions before the \nintroduction of his package. He met with the entire Senate \nRepublican Caucus also for lunch, and went up there. We are \ncontinually in contact with as many Republicans as we can find who \nhave an interest in the President\'s package. We are interested in \nwhat they have to say, as well. But we believe that this program is \nimportant, and we\'re going to continue to fight for it.\n\t \n\t Q\t your all or nothing, do it with the Democrats \nalone strategy, did you maybe miscalculate the ability to get it \nthrough?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I mean, I think that there is \nno question that under the Senate rules a determined minority can \nfrustrate activity. I mean, there is just no question about that. \nYou only need 40 plus one to keep going. 40 plus one to keep going \nand to stop any action, and that\'s what the Republicans are doing.\n\t \n\t Q\t going to rethink the way you attempt to get \nother things passed as you go through this process for the rest of \nthe summer?\n\t \n\t Q\t work with Republicans and try to woo some \nRepublicans into your camp?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we\'re going to continue to \nlook for the support of Republicans whenever we can get it on the \nPresident\'s intiatives?\n\t \n\t Q\t But on this one -- how are you going to do it \ndifferently than you did it on this one because on this one you \nreally did stiff the Republicans from the beginning and made it clear \nthat it was a Democratic majority that would get this through and \ncould get it through and you really didn\'t need Republican votes? \nAre you going to take a different tack when you have to go for \nparticular votes? When you have to go through --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can\'t see into the future and \nunderstand every possible turn in the legislative road. Clearly the \nPresident\'s going to continue to reach out when he can.\n\t \n\t Q\t You don\'t have any regrets then about the way you \nhave handled it up to now and you don\'t plan any changes in your \napproach in dealing with the Republicans in Congress based on this \nexperience?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Obviously the President would like \nhis package passed as quickly as possible and he\'s going to continue \nto press for that. We will continue to reach out to Republicans, \nthere\'s not question about that. And we\'ll continue to reason with \nthem and try and find appropriate avenues for cooperation. In this \ncase the Republicans have chosen to unify around a filibuster, around \na plan to frustrate action not a plan to move forward.\n\t \n\t Q\t They\'re being denied any other legislative means of \nputting their proposals forward.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think they\'re being --\n\t \n\t Q\t any ideas.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think their amendments are being \ndefeated; I don\'t know that they\'re being denied.\n\t \n\t Q\t to present them.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That\'s not exactly true. I mean \nthey get the votes --\n\t \n\t Q\t that theirs can be passed though by the \nparliamentary rules under which they\'re playing.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Unless they get a majority in \nsupport all the way around, no, that\'s not exactly true.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, one more on Iraq. Is the administration \nbacking any of the Iraqi opposition? Grooming any new leadership?\n\t \n\t Q\t backing any of the Iraqi -- leadership?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, I -- again, we\'re pressing for \nIraqi compliance. I don\'t know if we can get into the business of \ngrooming leadership. I believe there have been some contacts, at \nsome levels, with Iraqi opposition groups. I don\'t know about \nanything recently.\n\t \n\t Q\t Jesse Jackson, who, of course, is not the \nPresident\'s best friend, has, however, been told that there is to be \nsome kind of town meeting, or some kind of involvement by the \nPresident, pre-empted the ball game -- Los Angeles. Will he consider \nsomething like that, or any other kind of intervention there?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, as you know, the President \nappointed Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, about 10 days ago, to be a \nspecial envoy to California, and coordiante cabinet activities around \nthe California economic situation, including the situation in Los \nAngeles. \n\t \n\t I believe there will also be visits out to Los Angeles \nby the Education -- or have been visits by the Education Secretary, \nMr. Riley. I believe that Transportation Secretary Pena and HUD \nSecretary Cisneros are also going out. And there may be other visits \nby Cabinet officials over the next several days and weeks. I \nwouldn\'t rule out the possibility of a visit by President Clinton to \nCalifornia. Obviously, he is following the situation closely, and is \nconcerned about making sure that we make the right long term policy \ndecisions that will help create the kind of economic opportunities \nwhich help prevent disturbances. But we\'re going to continue to \nwatch it.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, as a follow-up, Reverend Jackson is also \nsupposed to be outside the ball park today, in Baltimore, with a \ngroup of supporters protesting the lack of minorities in baseball \nmanagement. Does the President have a position on that?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has received \ncorrespondence from Reverend Jackson. I know that Reverend Jackson \nhas also spoken with the White House Chief of Staff, Mack McLarty. \nHe clearly raises serious questions. There has been some progress in \nbaseball over the last several years, but still not enough. But the \nPresident intends to continue to go to the ball game.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is he going to say anything about it today, or see \nReverend Jackson while he\'s out there?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don\'t know if he is going to see \nthem, but as I said, the President believes that Reverend Jackson has \nraised some serious questions, and it\'s something that, as I said, \neven though there has been progress, it\'s clearly not enough.\n\t \n\t Q\t Did Reverend Jackson ask him not to go to the ball \ngame?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I\'m not sure about that. I believe \nthe characterization the Reverend Jackson is talking about is an \ninformational pickett. I don\'t know that he asked him not to go to \nthe ball game, but he sent a long, detailed, formal letter outlining \nhis concerns with the situation in major league baseball and the \nPresident read it.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, the Orioles are playing the Rangers, the \nmanaging partner of the Rangers is George W. Bush. Is he going to be \nthere, and is he going to meet with the President?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don\'t know.\n\t \n\t Q\t What is the Mubarak schedule?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I know that President Mubarak is \ncoming tomorrow morning for a working meeting, they will have a \nlunch, and I believe that he is having dinner tonight with Vice \nPresident Gore.\n\t \n\t Q\t And joint statements tomorrow --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I believe so, yes. At the end, \nyes.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is there evidence, George, that the Egyptians did \nwarn the U.S. about a potential terrorist bombing -- terrorist \nactivities?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As reported in The New York Times, \nI mean, I think that President Mubarak did say that there has been \ngeneral conversations with the Egyptians, as there have been for a \nlong period of time. We do have general intelligence sharing, I \nmean. But President Mubarak was very careful to point out that there \nwas no specific information on this visit that was passed forward. \nThe President will continue to investigate the situation, but he also \nreiterates his belief that we cannot tolerate terrorism of any kind.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, he did make specific -- or the Egyptians, \napparently, did issue specific warnings about this individual who, \nforgive me --this individual who, forgive me the name escapes me at \nthe moment, and said the Egyptians were more or less rebuffed in \ntheir attempts to get some kind of action.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don\'t know if I would \nagree with your characterization of the Mubarak interview. He did \nsay that they gave general warnings about the possibility of a \nnetwork in the United States and upon which we took appropriate \naction. But there was no specific information on this specific \noperation at all.\n\t \n\t Q\t So, the White House doesn\'t feel that any of the \nlaw enforcement agencies whether it be the CIA or FBI who would have \nreceived this kind of information was lax or derelict in its duty in \nnot pursuing some kind of --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, not at all.\n\t \n\t Q\t What\'s next with Serbia? It got only a passing \nmention in the news conference yesterday --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: You didn\'t get to ask your \nquestion.\n\t \n\t Q\t Yes, exactly. Was there any agreement on concerted \naction between the two countries? And even if there wasn\'t, what \ndoes the U.S. do next?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the U.S. is clearly going \nto move forward in the U.N. today continuing discussions with our \nallies on a sanctions resolution and we\'ll continue to look for ways \nto press the Serbians to come to the negotiating table and sign an \nagreement.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, why do you think sanctions is still an \noption? I mean the Serbians make it clear that at least the \nleadership is surviving just fine and they feel like they can wait \nyou out and even the administration officials we had in the other day \nsaid there\'s no evidence that they\'re going to have an effect any \ntime soon. The Bosnian Serbs have said no to the peace plan. When \ndoes no mean no and you have to do something different?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I mean we are doing something \ndifferent. We\'re moving forward on further sanctions through the \nU.N. and those discussions will continue. We\'re going to continue to \ntry and tighten the noose on Serbia, and I think that every \nopportunity we have to do that will have an effect over time.\n\t \n\t Q\t Are we looking again at lifting the arms embargo? \nMR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has said that this is something \nthat is under consideration.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, do you have any more on Hugh Rodham\'s \ncondition, how he\'s doing?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As far as I know nothing\'s changed.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, -- week after Mr. Mubarak?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It\'s a little unclear. I think \nwe\'ll be able to get you more either tonight or tomorrow morning \nafter the Mubarak visit.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is he going somewhere for Easter?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not that I know of.\n\t \n\t Q\t What more can you tell us about the additional aid \nto Russia that the President plans to ask Congress about?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He\'s going to be consulting with \nthe Congress and with our G-7 partners over the next couple of weeks. \nI know that he spoke last evening with Congressman Gephardt and their \ndelegation before the -- the congressional delegation meets with the \nRussians this week and those consultations will continue over the \nnext several weeks.\n\t \n\t Q\t Do you expect that package to be of the magnitude \nof the one announced Sunday?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I\'m not going to discuss the \nmagnitude.\n\t \n\t Q\t How about the list of Cold War restrictions, where \ndo you stand on that --\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As the President said yesterday, \nhe\'s going to be looking for that list from the Congress this week \nand reviewing it. He believes -- he\'s going to try and get it this \nweek and he\'s going to review the list, and we\'re going to take a \nhard look at it.\n\t \n\t Q\t But they\'re making it up? I mean it\'s no White \nHouse involvement, Congress is compiling this list?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think he\'s going to talk to the \ncongressional leaders about compiling the list but I\'m certain we\'ll \nbe able to get our own researchers working as well.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, isn\'t lifting the arms embargo more of a \nprobability than a possibility?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It\'s something that\'s under \ndiscussion.\n\t \n\t Q\t Secretary Christopher has said that it\'s a matter \nof time and -- for months before that happens.\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, all I can say is that it\'s \nsomething that the President is reviewing. Right now we\'re working \nwith our allies in the U.N on a sanctions resolution, and we\'ll \ncontinue to review other matters.\n\t \n\t Q\t George, can you tell us anything about the schedule \nthis week? Any travel?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They just asked about that. I \ndon\'t have anything more beyond tomorrow\'s visit with Mubarak right \nnow.\n\t \n\t Q\t Are there consultations, George, with any Jewish \nAmerican organizations concerning Jackson-Vanick?\n\t \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know the National Conference \nof Soviet Jewry has a list of, I believe, \n\t MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: -- as you know, the National \nConference of Soviet Jewry has a list of, I believe, 200 Refuseniks. \nWe\'ll certainly take a look at that and continue appropriate \ndiscussions.\n\t \n\t Thanks.\n\n\n ###\n\n\n',
"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 30\n\nSeveral years ago, while driving a cage, a dog darted out at a quiet\nintersection right in front of me but there was enough distance\nbetween us so I didn't have to slow down. However, a 2nd dog\nsuddenly appeared and collided with my right front bumper and\nthe force of the impact was enough to kill that Scottish Terrier.\n\nApparently, it was following the 1st dog. Henceforth, if a dog\ndecides to cross the street, keep an eye out for a 2nd dog as\nmany dogs like to travel in pairs or packs. \n\nI've yet to experience a dog chasing me on my black GL1200I which\nhas a pretty loud OEM horn (not as good as Fiamms, but good enuff)\nbut the bike is large and heavy enough to run right over one of\nthe smaller nippers while the larger ones would have trouble\ngetting my leg between the saddlebags and engine guards. I'd\ndef feel more vulnerable on my '68 Trump as that'd be easier\nleg chewing target for those mongrels.\n\nIf there's a persistent dog running after bikers despite\ncomplaints to the owner I wouldn't be adverse to running\nover it with my truck as a dogs life isn't worth much IMHO\ncompared to a child riding a bike who gets knocked to the\nground by said dog and dies from a head injury. \n\nAny dog in the neighborhood that's vicious or a public menace\nrunning about unleashed is fair game as road kill candidate.\n\nGraeme Harrison\n(gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 \n\n",
"From: suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)\nSubject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses\nIn-Reply-To: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST\nLines: 17\nReply-To: suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi\nOrganization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia\n\t<1993Apr3.183519.14721@proxima.alt.za>\n\t<1993Apr5.112430.825@batman.bmd.trw.com>\n\n>>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said:\n\n:> God is eternal. [A = B]\n:> Jesus is God. [C = A]\n:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B]\n\n:> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of\n:> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore\n:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal.\n\nEverything isn't always so logical....\n\nMercedes is a car.\nThat girl is Mercedes.\nTherefore, that girl is a car?\n\n-Heikki\n",
'From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality\nReply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England\nLines: 50\nNntp-Posting-Host: bangkok\n\nPaul Hudson Jr (hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu) writes:\n\n>I was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the existence\n>of God. Rather, I was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist\n>relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were\n>absolute. Man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong. We have\n>all inherited this knowledge. \n\nNo matter how "absurd" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by\nmankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common\nmoral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of\nany use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a\nworkable moral system created for everyday use.\n\nThe Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing\nevery word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of\nIsrael were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial\nLaws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance\nof moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better.\n\nIt seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo-\nChristian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from\nthe diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well\nbe an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to\nfollow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was\nwritten down by man.\n\nThis leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the\ndivine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many\ndifferent ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the\nfifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do\nthat to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an\nagnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit\nsociety (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take\nthe basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret/extend this to create\nand justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables\nthe people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers\nhave done).\n\nWhatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I\nthink the important aspect is the result.\n\nDavid.\n\n---\nOn religion:\n\n"Oh, where is the sea?", the fishes cried,\nAs they swam its clearness through.\n\n',
'From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)\nSubject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall?\nLines: 101\nReply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de\nOrganization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA\n\n\nIn article <C5GK0w.J8H@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:\n\n|>Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall?\n|>\n|>\n|>\n|>Socialism may have collapsed in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Disunion\n|>but it lingers on in Western Europe and the United States. It remains\n|>the primary ideology in the hearts and minds of the liberal academia\n|>and media. But all the political correctness they can muster may not be\n|>sufficient to hold back the economic forces that threaten to spread\n|>socialism\'s collapse from the second world to the first. Indeed, it is\n|>becoming more apparent every day that socialism may not even survive\n|>the turn of the century.\n\nEd of course has never demonstrated remarkable knowlege of socialism, \nor any other political system come to that.\n\n|>While the Swedes have already discarded their "third way" and the\n|>French have made history by turning out the Socialist Party in a \n|>record-setting defeat, it is Italy that appears most precariously\n|>on the edge of its political existence.\n\nThat leaves Germany, Japan and the UK as examples of a country where the\nright wing government is on the verge of collapse. Oh and of course the USA\nwhich just elected a socialist government :-)\n\n|>Italy, today, is a basket-case even by European standards. It has\n|>introduced 17 new taxes in 5 months and public-sector revenue is at or\n|>near the 50% of GDP mark. \n\nEtc, unfortunately you can\'t pin this on the left or the right, both are\nto blame. Both sides are equally deep into the corruption scandal. The only \nuntained party is the northern league which is a bunch of nationalist\nseparatists and the communist party which has collapsed.\n\n\n|>In spite of this political gluteny, it has\n|>an annual deficit exceeding the sum of all other EC countries and a\n|>public debt 2.5 times that of Latin America. Italy is understandably\n|>having serious trouble selling its treasury bonds in the markets. And\n|>while Italy is an extreme case, it is anything but unique; all\n|>European governments appear headed in the same direction in spite of\n|>their nominally non-socialist governments.\n|>\n|>Unfortunately, Europeans being, well, Europeans, it is very unlikely\n|>that they will discover American-style liberty. Instead, they will\n|>likely lurch from socialism to fascism as quickly as they had moved\n|>from fascism to socialism never pausing along the way to reasseses the\n|>role of government, itself. I hope I am wrong.\n\nEd should take a look at the budget deficit Regan and Bush created together\nbefore he starts to make claims about europe collapsing based on the budget\ndeficits here. None of them are serious on the USA scale.\n\nAnd here in Europe we have zero interest in Ed-Ipser type freed thank you.\nWe do not want our countries to be run by a narrow elite of rich lawyers\nfor the benefit of the super wealthy. We are quite happy with social \ndemocracy and despite the fuss made in Time and Newsweek there is remarkably\nlittle being done to reverse the social welfare reforms brought in by\nsocialism.\n\nThe problem with socialism is that it started with the aims of free education\nand health care and provision of the welfare state. This has been achieved\nacross the whole of Europe, only the USA is struggling to catch up. The\nproblem for socialism is what to do now it has succeeded.\n\n\n|>Nobody ever claimed that the collapse of socialism would be pretty.\n|>The decline of the nation-state will probably lead first to anarchy\n|>since politicians always cut essential services before pork. Los\n|>Angeles has rampant crime and frantically waits for the next wave of\n|>riots but it has a spanking new subway that nobody wants to use and\n|>which, like every other public transit system in the world, will never\n|>be economically viable. (If you were trying to extort tax payers,\n|>which would you cut first, mass transit or police protection?)\n\nEd starts to discus LA, presumably he thinks that it is in Europe. On\nthe other hand he most probably hasn\'t heard of a European city.\n\n|>Thus does the world hurtle toward chaos even as the 21st century\n|>approaches.\n\nRather the opposite. What is happening in Italy is that the communist party\nhas collapsed. This has meant that the grand coalition between right and\nleft wing parties to keep out the communists has also collapsed. The \nmagistrates have seized this opportunity to crack down hard on fraud and \ncorruption and have arrested half the politicians. The fact that the socialists\nare in charge this week is incidental, the right is into the corruption just\nas baddly.\n\nWhat looks likely to happen is the fringe parties are going to do much\nbetter in the next election. Most of the parliamentary deputies are going\nto get replaced and the parties are going to be forced to look to people\nwho are free of any hint of corruption. Look out for a parliament of\nPavarotti\'s and porn stars.\n\n\nPhill Hallam-Baker\n\n',
"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: LC III NuBus Capable?\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 12\n\nmmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes:\n\n>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is\n>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and\n>ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them.\n\n>Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board?\n\n Yes. That is exactly what it means. The LC family of Macs can only\nuse PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus.\n\n-Hades\n",
'From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)\nSubject: Re: Montreal Question.......\nOrganization: York University, Toronto, Canada\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu> k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes:\n> What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it \n> anywhere. Thanks!!!!1\n>\n>\tK-->\n>-- \n>---\n>Keith J. Mullins (o o) \n>P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET:\n>Plymouth, NH | "It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu\n\nHe\'s played 2nd and 3rd. I also heard he can play short too.\nShawn\n\n',
'From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA\nLines: 52\n\t<1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: dyer@spdcc.com\'s message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n\n Newsgroups: sci.med\n Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!think.com!hsdndev!spdcc!dyer\n From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\n Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\n References: <20996.3049.uupcb@factory.com> <79727@cup.portal.com>\n Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT\n Lines: 18\n\n In article <79727@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n >I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity\n >which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring\n >from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal\n >results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these\n >chemicals than other people. I don\'t remember any connection being made\n >with seizures, but it certainly couldn\'t hurt to try an all-natural diet.\n\n Yeah, the "Feingold Diet" is a load of crap. Children diagnosed with ADD\n who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and\n social skills, which in fact continue to decline. Of course, the parents\n who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their\n children\'s development. So much for the value of "interesting anecdotal\n results". People will believe anything if they want to.\n\n -- \n Steve Dyer\n dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n\n\nThanks for all the interest in this problem of mine. I don\'t think it\nis a reaction to sugar or junk food per se since Kathryn has never shown\nany signs of hyperactivity or changes in behavior in response to food.\nShe has always been very calm and dare I say, a neat, smart kid.\n\nThe fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made\nby Kellog\'s makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to\nsomething in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our\nimmediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running\nnose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history\nincluding some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. \n\nAnyway, our next trip is to an endocrinologist to check out the body\nchemistry. But so far, no more sugar coated cereals and no more seizures\neither. Every day that goes by without one makes me heave a sigh of\nrelief. Thanks again.\n\n--\nSharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov\nNASA Langley Research Center\nBldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241\nHampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362\n',
"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule)\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:\n>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts\n>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis\n>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell\n>is he thinking.\n\nDidn't Alicea get a hit, though? \n\nSee y'all at the ballyard\nGo Braves\nChop Chop\n\nMichael Mule'\n\n-- \nMichael Andre Mule\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e\nInternet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu\n",
'From: vng@iscs.nus.sg\nSubject: Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator\nReply-To: VNG@ISCS.NUS.SG\nOrganization: Dept of Info Sys and Comp Sci, National University of Singapore, SINGAPORE\nLines: 6\n\nIs there a Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator or a comms toolbox kit available on the\nnet somewhere?\n\nThanks.\n\nVince\n',
'From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung)\nSubject: need shading program example in X\nOrganization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)\nDistribution: na\nLines: 9\n\n\nDo anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain?\nI need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program.\n\nAppreciate the help.\n\nHoward.\n\n\n',
"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Clipper -- some new thoughts\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 55\n\nI'd *desparately* prefer it if we didn't rehash the same arguments\nthat went on ad infinitum last time. That's especially true for\nsci.crypt. For that matter, I've created alt.privacy.clipper, since\nthe traffic is appearing in *many* different groups right now.\n\nI'm going to focus here on some technical aspects of the plan, hence my\nfollowup to sci.crypt. Frankly, if you're not an absolutist, your\nfeelings may turn on some of these issues. For example -- with an\n80-bit key, simply splitting it into two 40-bit pieces is much less\nacceptable than other schemes, because it means that if just one\nrepository is, shall we say, overly pliable, a would-be eavesdropper\nwould need to recover just 40 more bits of key. I need not point out\nin this newsgroup that that's pretty easy to do by exhaustive search.\nA slightly more complex scheme -- XOR-ing the key with a random number,\nand then with its complement -- would produce two 80-bit subkeys,\nneither of which is useful alone. That variant is much more resistant\nto attack. Clearly, one can get even more sophisticated, to protect\nthe subkeys even more.\n\nOther thoughts... Some people have noted the size and complexity of\nthe databases necessary. But the id strings the phones emit could be\ntheir back door key, double-encrypted with the escrow repositories'\npublic keys. For that matter, they could do that only with session\nkeys, and have no back door at all. In that case, the FBI would have\nto bring every intercept to the repositories to be decrypted. This\nwould answer many of the objections along the lines of ``how do you\nmake sure they stop''.\n\nWe can even combine that with a variant of the digital telephony back\ndoor -- have the switch do the tap, but with a digitally-signed record\nof the time, phone number, etc, of the call. That provides proof to\nthe escrow agents that the tap was done in compliance with the terms of\nthe warrant.\n\nI can suggest other variations, too. Suppose each Clipper chip had 100\npublic key pairs. Each would be used ~10 times, after which you'd need\nmore keying material. (Not a bad idea in any event.) This could be\nused to enforce time limits, or rather, usage limits, on each warrant;\nthe keys the repository agents would deliver wouldn't last for very\nlong.\n\nI suspect that the cryptographic algorithm itself is secure. Apart from\nthe obvious -- why push a weak algorithm when you've already got the\nback door? -- I think that the government is still genuinely concerned\nabout foreign espionage, especially aimed at commercial targets. This\nscheme lets the spooks have their cake and eat it, too. (I've heard\nrumors, over the years, that some factions within NSA were unhappy with\nDES because it was too good. Not that they couldn't crack it, but it\nwas much too expensive to do so as easily as they'd want.) They're keeping\nthe details secret so that others don't build their own implementations\nwithout the back door.\n\nThe cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid\nreasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there\nare a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad.\n",
'From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\nejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:\n>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I\n>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??\n\nYou make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn\'t. A lot of\npedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to\nmake this kind of think a lot harder to do.\n\nI don\'t understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn\'t\nfigure out MOVE! (I\'m glad they bombed \'em) or the Waco Wackos either.\n\n(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n',
'From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan)\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\nReply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan)\nOrganization: Iowa State University\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <C5IF8u.3Ky@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos\nTamamidis ) writes:\n> Yeah, too much Mutlu/Argic isn\'t helping. I could, one day, proceed and\n\nYou shouldn\'t think many Turks read Mutlu/Argic stuff.\nThey are in my kill file, likewise any other fanatic.\n \n> >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met\n> >so many Greeks who wouldn\'t even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my\n> >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks)\n> \n> Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help.\n\nWell, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks\nwho bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to\nbelieve for somebody trying to be objective.\nWhen it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot\nblame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides.\nWhat were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway?\nDo you think it was your right to be there?\nI am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only\nnot one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering.\nIt is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise.\nI remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the\nvisa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it\nwas a positive attempt to make the relations better.\n\nThe Greeks I mentioned who wouldn\'t talk to me are educated\npeople. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person\nbecause I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is\nnot the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals \nwhy the hatred? So that makes me think that there is some kind of\nbrainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person \ntreat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your \nhistory books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish\nencounters during your schooling. \ntake it easy! \n\n--\nTankut Atan\ntankut@iastate.edu\n\n"Achtung, baby!"\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: tuberculosis\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Mar29.181406.11915@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:\n\n>\n>Multiple drug resistance in TB is a relatively new phenomenon, and\n>one of the largest contributing factors is that people are no longer\n>as scared of TB as they were before antibiotics. (It was roughly as\n>feared as HIV is now...)\n>\n\nNot that new. 20 years ago, we had drug addicts harboring active TB\nthat was resistant to everything (in Chicago). The difference now\nis that such strains have become virulent. In the old days, such\nTB was weak. It didn\'t spread to other people very easily and just\ninfected the one person in whom it developed (because of non-compliance\nwith medications). Non-compliance and development of resistant strains\nhas been a problem for a very long time. That is why we have like 9\ndrugs against TB. There is always a need to develop new ones due to\nsuch strains. Now, however, with a virulent resistant strain, we\nare in more trouble, and measures to assure compliance may be necessary\neven if they entail force.\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nReply-To: bobml@msd.measurex.com\nOrganization: Measurex MSD\nDistribution: mxmsd\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.193712.25996@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:\n> >I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one\n> >to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the\n> >spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used!\n> \n> I have just a couple of questions about this technique.\n> \n> First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer\n> finger or my pinky? Left hand or right?\n> \n> And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted\n> for. Any suggestions?\n> \n> /andy\n> \n \nHow about your two big toes? And while you're at it, why bother with removing\nthe drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from\nthere with your mouth and then spit it out?\n\n-- \nDomain: bobml@msd.measurex.com Bob LaGesse, Senior Software Engineer\n UUCP: ...!uunet!mxmsd!bobml Measurex/Management Systems Division\n Voice: (513) 825-3931 X303 1280 Kemper Meadow Drive\n Fax: (513) 825-5393 Cincinnati, Ohio 45240, USA\n",
'From: garrett@Ingres.COM\nSubject: Re: Return of the Know Nothing Party\nSummary: The right to know nothing\nNews-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 \nKeywords: \nOrganization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5JLq3.2BL@wetware.com>, drieux@wetware.com writes...\n>In article 23791@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) writes:\n>>In article <C56HDM.945@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:\n>>>But I guess one needs to know a little about the bible,\n>>>christianity and american history.....\n>>\n>>Mt. St. Helens didn\'t spew such crap. How do you manage,\n>>drieux, day in & day out, to keep it up??\n> \n>So which are you advocating?\n>That You know Nothing About American History, \n>Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible?\n> \n>Is this a Restoration of the "Know Nothing" Party?\n> \nGo easy on him drieux. It is the right of every American to\nknow nothing about anything. \n\n>ciao\n>drieux\n\n>"All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!\n>All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"\n>\t\t-Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings\n> \n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n"Who said anything about panicking?" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson\n"This is still just culture shock. You wait till I\'ve Garrett@Ingres.com\nsettled into the situation and found my bearings.\nTHEN I\'ll start panicking!" - Douglas Adams \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: The state of justice (GM trial)\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>\tA judge denied GM\'s new trial motion, even though GM says it has two\n>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not\n>from the fire.\n>\n>\tThoughts?\n>\n>\tIt\'s kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start\n>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led\n>to the previous ruling appear.\n\nOn the other hand, it would be kind of scary if there were *never* a final\nverdict, because a party to litigation could keep saying "Oops! I forgot\nto bring up this evidence," and demand a new trial. You get one bite at\nthe apple.\n\n>\tOr has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? \n>Shouldn\'t that be up to a jury?\n\nIt\'s up to General Motors to find those witnesses in the first litigation.\nYou\'d be up in arms if a plaintiff suing General Motors pulled the same\nstunt and made them relitigate an issue that they already lost. It\'s not\nas if General Motors couldn\'t file enough discovery motions to delay the\ntrial until they found all the witnesses they wanted.\n\n>\tAnd what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk\n>shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? \n\nDefine "obvious bias."\n\n>Shouldn\'t that be enough for\n>a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial?\n\nDid GM move for a new trial on those grounds? No? Perhaps they had a \nreason? \n-- \nted frank | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I\'m sorry, the card says "Moops."\nthe u of c law school | \nstandard disclaimers | \n',
'From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar)\nSubject: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports\nNntp-Posting-Host: hprtnyc.cup.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9]\nLines: 4\n\n\noops, that\'s KNX 1070. KNBR is up in \'Frisco, and down at 680.\n\n==Doug "San Fran can\'t be \'the city\': Jack Webb told me so" Claar\n',
"From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)\nSubject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week\nOriginator: jpc@condor\nOrganization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510\nDistribution: na\nLines: 23\n\n\nIn article <Apr16.043426.69352@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:\n\n|> United States TV Schedule:\n|> April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone)\n|> April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones)\n|> April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone)\n|> April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN\n|> April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN\n|> April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN\n\nDoes anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local\nbroadcast rights are being protected? I'd really love to see the Bruins a\ncouple times, and with this pro-Patrick bias shown by ESPN something tells me\nthat I will have to wait until the conference finals to see them :-}.\n\n-JPC\n \n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJohn P. Curcio \t\t Go Bruins!\t\t Philips Laboratories\njpc@philabs.philips.com \t\t\t 345 Scarborough Road\n(914) 945-6442 \t \t\t Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 \n",
'From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)\nSubject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA\nKeywords: wicked-sexist\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:\n>I\'ve recently become father of twins! I don\'t think I can afford\n> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of\n> the Harleys is going.\n>\n>\t1988 883 XLHD\n>\t~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife\'s bike :-)\n\t ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n\tWell that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)\n\tIs our Harley manhood feeling challenged?\n\n> Jeff deRienzo\n\n-------\n"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog\nSea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|\n \'79 Yamaha XS750F -- \'77 BMW R100S -- \'85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. |\n',
'From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?\nOrganization: University of East Anglia\nDistribution: net\nLines: 22\n\nlotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:\n\n>There has been a running thread on the need to understand\n>countersteering. I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has\n>any basis in fact or study. The bottom line is:\n\n>The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among\n>the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.\n\n>The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone\n>provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,\n>even after many years of practice.\n\nI would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt\nstudy make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*\nto swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I\'ve seen, riders\nwill almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because\nthe instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides\neverything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive\nmanouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?\n\n\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme\'s?]"]\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Mar24.182145.11004@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O\'Donnell) writes:\n\n>IMHO, you have Lyme disease. \n\n\n>I sent you in private email a summary of the treatment protocols put\n>forth by the Lyme Disease Foundation. I respectfully suggest that you\n>save yourself a great deal of suffering by contacting them for a\n>Lyme-knowledgeable physician referral and seek treatment at once.\n>You\'ll know in 2 weeks if you\'re on the right course; and the clock is\n>ticking on your 6 weeks if you have it. 1-800-886-LYME.\n\nIf these folks are who I think they are, Lyme-knowledgeable may\nmean a physician to whom everything that walks in the door is\nlyme disease, and you will be treated for lyme, whether or not\nyou have it. Hope you have good insurance.\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes:\n\n>Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or\n>sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files.\nYou can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows\nprograms. \n>The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini,\n>system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited.\n\nIs it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ????\n\n>Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu)\n>\n\n\n-- \n|E-mail --> un*x: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |vms: andys@psc.plymouth.edu |\n|Disclaimer > Any "end-user" software that provides NO avenue for user |\n|of the week> modification or programmability is NOT user friendly. |\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: 3 AIDS Related Questions\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19407\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <93087.011308PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu (Paula Ford) writes:\n>A friend of mine was a regular volunteer blood donor. During surgery, he\n>was given five units of blood, and after a suitable recovery time, he went\n>to donate blood at a "bloodmobile." He was HIV+, and did not know it.\n>\n>The Red Cross notified him with a _registered letter_. That\'s all. No\n>counselling, no nothing. He died two years ago, this week. He left behind\n\nHow long ago was this? When I said you\'d get counselling, I meant if\nyou did it now. Long ago, practices varied and agencies had to gear\nup to provide the counselling.\n\n>a wife and a four-year-old son. Many people have suggested that his wife\n>should sue the Red Cross, but she would not. She says that without the\n>blood transfusions he would have died during the surgery.\n>\n\nGood for her. What we don\'t need is everyone suing community service\nagencies that provide blood that people need. Testing is not fool proof.\nThe fact that he got AIDS from a transfusion (if he really did) does\nnot mean the Red Cross screwed up. Prior to 1983 or so, there wasn\'t\na good test and a lot of bad blood got through. This wasn\'t the fault\nof the Red Cross. When did he get the transfusions?\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.143434.5069@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes:\n\n>So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it.\n>The article didn't say anything about copyrights.\n\n\tThe newspaper itself is almost certainly copyrighted in its\nentirety. Newspapers generally employ legal staffs which make sure\nthey get permission to use a copyrighted image or text. Did you\ndo the same?\n-- \n-John\n\nJohn J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer\n\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 297\n\nIn article <C5y56o.A62@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes:\n\n>article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know\n>what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =)\n\nVery simple.\n\n"X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide \n against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making \n reparations to the Turks and Kurds."\n\nAfter all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim\npeople between 1914 and 1920.\n\n\n<C5yyBt.5zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nhovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\n\n>To which I say:\n>Hear, hear. Motion seconded.\n\nYou must be a new \'Arromdian\'. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF \ncrooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in \nsuch a mess. That criminal idiot and \'its\' forged/non-existent junk has \nalready been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer \nand hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible \nfor the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering \nTurkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically \ncalls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian \nand criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government \nas merely a step on the road to said genocide. \n\nNow where shall I begin?\n\n#From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)\n#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN\n#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar\n#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>\n\nFollowing is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:\n\n>From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)\n>Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org>\n\n>In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto.\n>edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question:\n\n>[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other\n>[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of\n>[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna.\n\n>The obvious ridiculous "Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems" is the most\n>outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this \n>net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one\n>day!\n\n>\t\t\t- - - start yalanci.txt - - -\n\n[some parts are deleted]\n\n>In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the \n>Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to\n>revise the history of the Armenian people. Let\'s witness the operational\n>definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish):\n\n>[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1]\n>[Yalanci]\n>[Yalanci] "The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks\n>[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding\n>[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed,\n>[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of \n>[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and \n>[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks \n>[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."\n>[Yalanci] \n>[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, "Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"\n>[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157.\n\n>This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On\n>page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the\n>chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub-\n>Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on\n>Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia.\n>There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above.\n\n\t\t\t\t- - -\n\n>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!\n\n>The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while\n>covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the \n>ridiculous "historical" material publicly displayed!\n\n>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org> | The life of a people is a sea, and \n\nReceiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,"Genocide..." and\nwhat I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book\nwas like "voice of Armenian revolutionists" and although I read the whole book,\nI could not find the original quota.\nBut there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found \nthe original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:\n\n> According to Leo:[1]\n\n>"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on\n> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own \n> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was\n> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the\n> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party\n> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian\n> bayonets for their success." \n\n>[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,\n ======================================================================\n> p. 157.\n ======\n\nQUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !\n\nDAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU\nJUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.\n\nDavidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...\n\nYou are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow\nyou can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided\nnot to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise\nall the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least\nwe may save time by not dealing with your lies.\n\nAnd for the following line:\n>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!\n\nI also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.\nI hope you will be drowned in your lies.\n\nAhmet PARLAKBILEK\n\n#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan)\n#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>\n\nIn article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\n>(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu.\n>11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>\n \n>[(*] Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,\n>[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) \n>[(*] (287 pages).\n>\n>[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published\n>[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page \n>[DD] 178, we are asked to believe:\n> \n>[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... \n> \n>[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) \n>[VD] ********\n> \n>[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you\n>[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?..\n> \n>Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the \nn>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!\n \n o boy! \n \n Please, can you tell us why those quotes are "crap"?..because you do not \n like them!!!...because they really exist...why?\n \n As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source \n given by Serdar Argic .. \n \n You couldn\'t reject it...\n \n>\n>In addition, the Author\'s Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK\n>was published in 1924.\n \n Here we go again..\n In the book I have, both the front page and the Author\'s preface give \n the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!\n (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of\n pages, please ask by sct) \n \n \nI really don\'t care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)\nWhat I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in\nthe given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your\ngroundless accussations, etc. \n \n>\n[...]\n> \n>[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim!\n> \n>[VD] what is new?\n> \n>I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there \n>is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time!\n \n \n I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)\n and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published\n in 1934(Serdar Argic\'s Reference) has..You couldn\'t reject it..but, now you\n are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..\n \n Let\'s see how you lie!..(from \'non-existing\' quotes to re-publication)\n \n First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You\n called Serdar Argic a liar!..\n I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...\n (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could\'t reject it.)\n \n And now, you are lying again and talking about "modified,re-published book"\n(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..\n (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was\n first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some \'pretty \n well suited theories\', as usual)\n \n And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who\n wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian\'s lies...I also give the call number\n and page numbers again for the library use, which are: \n 949.6 R 198\n \n and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215\n \n \n \n> \n>It is not possible that [(*]\'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has\n>377!\n \n Now, are you claiming that there can\'t be such a reference by saying "it is\n not possible..." ..If not, what is your point?\n \n Differences in the number of pages?\n Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic\'s was in 1934..\n No need to use the same book size and the same letter \n charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!\n \n The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year\n first published.. \n And you tried to hide the whole point..\n the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about\n how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given \n by Serdar Argic exist!! \n It was the issue, wasn\'t-it? \n \n you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? \n \n You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a "crap"..\n People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still\n has so many "craps" in the 1993. \n \n Any question?\n \n\n<C5wwqA.9wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nhovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\n\n> Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to\n>lose count around 1.5 million.\n\nWell, apparently we have another son of Dro \'the Butcher\' to contend with. \nYou should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on\ndistortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel \nthat you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum \nyou will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to \nanother historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.\n\nI will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, \nlie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan \nto \'prove\' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is \nnothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in \nx-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, \nthat employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel \nfree to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,\nthe Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian\ncriminal organizations.\n\nArmenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,\nwomen and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and \nthose like you, will not get away with the genocide\'s cover-up.\n\nNot a chance.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n',
'From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: Megatest Corporation\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca> u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:\n>In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:\n>>\n>>\tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n>>256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n>>and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to\n>>sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n>>\n>>\tSo, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy\n>>some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing\n>>about it.\n>>\n>One of the guys at work takes 20 of them, uses cyano-acrylate glue to make\n>five four-wide "panels" then constructs a box, with bottom, to use as a\n>pencil holder.\n>\n\nOr, if you\'ve got some entreprenuerial (sp?) spirit, get a cheapy\nclear plastic box, mount the simm inside, and sell it as a \'Pet SIMM\'!\n\nI\'m sure there are *plenty* of suckers out there who would go\nfor it!\n\naaron\n\n\n',
"From: jhunter@mta.ca (John Hunter)\nSubject: White Sox Mailing List?\nReply-To: jhunter@mta.ca\nOrganization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada \nLines: 9\n\nHi Gang,\n\nI'd like to subscribe to the White Sox mailing list, if one exists.\nCan someone please e-mail me the address?\n\nThanks alot,\n-John\n\njhunter@mta.ca\n",
'From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer)\nSubject: Re: Clinton caves in: reduces jobs bill\nSummary: Too good to be true, evidently.\nOrganization: ACME Products\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.131615.8661@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n> \tClinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill.\n> \n> \tWord is he\'s paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for\n> creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money).\n> \n> \tChalk one up for holding the line on spending.\n\n\tIt seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to\ncut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs.\n\n\tHmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our\ncongresspersons.\n\nBrett\n________________________________________________________________________________\n\t"There\'s nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an\nintellectual conviction." Sean O\'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.\n',
"From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )\nSubject: Re: Memory upgrades\nNntp-Posting-Host: 222.1.248.85\nReply-To: gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com\nOrganization: Memories at Motorola\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 33\n\njacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy) writes:\n: \n: Excuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in\n: several FAQs but couldn't really find anything.\n\nYou are excused... the answer varies from Mac to Mac so it would be\na complex answer in the FAQ.\n: \n: I have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want\n: (need) to add additional memory. But I'm on a budget.\n: I really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is\n: the best (performance wise) and most economical way\n: to do this? Someone told me that I should only use\n: SIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg,\n: 4 2 meg, etc. What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg\n: and use the rest of what I already have? The manual\n: hasn't been very helpful with this.\n: \nThe si uses a 32 bit wide data bus and therefore you must use 4 8-bit\nwide simms. Sorry, but no short cuts here.\n\n: Thanks.\n\nYou're quite welcome.\n: \nGreg.\n\n--\nMy words, not Motorola's. * ______ * EQUAL rights NOT special rights \ngpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com * \\ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.\nGreg Berryman (512)928-6014 * \\ / * SILENCE = DEATH\nMotorola Austin, Texas, USA * \\/ * First, be true to yourself.\nGLB mailing list ---> glblist@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Motorola only)\n",
'From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nArticle-I.D.: netnews.120665\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:\n>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and\n>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish\n>baseball players, past and present. We weren\'t able to come up\n>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and\n\nIt\'s Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he\'s not Jewish - he\'s Polish\n(by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself,\nis "ston-KEV-itch". all the sportscasters get it wrong)\n\n>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know\n>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but\n>humor us. Thanks for your help.\n\nThe only other Jewish ballplayer I can think of is Ron Blomberg, who is\nbest known as being the first DH to appear in a major league ballgame.\n\n-Alan\n',
'From: timd@fenian.dell.com (Tim Deagan)\nSubject: Homebuilt PAL (EPLD) programer?\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenian.dell.com\nReply-To: timd@fenian.dell.com\nOrganization: SLAMDANZ CYBRNETX\nLines: 13\n\nAnyone know a reasonable circuit for programming PALs? I am interested\nin programming a wide range of EPLDs but would be happy with something \nthat could handle a 22V10 or thereabouts.\n\nThanks in advance,\n--Tim\n\n---\n{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ timd@fenian.dell.com }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}\n Rev. Tim Deagan - Official Obnoxious Poster\nNo one but me is responsible for anything I write, believe in or preach\n* "It is difficult to free fools from chains they revere." - Voltaire *\n\n',
'From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)\nSubject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP\nOrganization: TAP\nLines: 19\n\nQuoted from <1993Apr20.125147.10665@genes.icgeb.trieste.it> by oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto):\n\n> file, check in the \'graphics\' directories under *grasp. The problem \n> is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of \n> the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome!\n\n The gl2p1.lzh stuff under gfx/show on the Aminet sites includes a\n utility called pic2hl, that is a filter for HamLab that can handle\n the most commonly used kinds of .PIC and .CLP files.\n\n The biggest problem is that the .CLP files don\'t usually contain a\n palette, so you need to convert a .PIC with the right palette\n first (which creates a "ram:picpal" file), and then convert the\n .CLP files.\n\n> Jacques Oberto <oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it>\n--\n*** John Bickers, TAP. jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***\n*** "Radioactivity - It\'s in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk ***\n',
"From: jay@gdx.UUCP (Jay Snyder)\nSubject: WANTED: avionics equip.\nOrganization: GDX-BBS,Central Pa Unix BBS/anon uucp (717)737-3249 PEP+/2400/1200 24hrs\nLines: 21\n\n\nI'm looking for good deals on the following (used or new):\nAviation Headsets (with mic).\nHandheld Nav/Com tranciever (may consider COM only).\nPortable GPS or Loran Navigator.\n\nReply here or call:\n(717)737-3236 (only after 5pm -- please don't wake the night worker\n in my house).\n(717)540-2895 if you must call during the day (I can understand if you\n want your employer to pay for the call).\n\n_______________________________________________________________________________\nJay A. Snyder jay@gdx ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay\nThis is your Brain: (unix) GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer\nThis is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS) Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins\n-- \n_______________________________________________________________________________\nJay A. Snyder jay@gdx ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay\nThis is your Brain: (unix) GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer\nThis is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS) Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins\n",
"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: Statement to everyone on t.p.g\n <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,\nandy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says:\n>\n>Clue - Kratz' position isn't a defense against inaccuracy.\n>\n>I oppose gun control because it doesn't work. If it did, I'd support\n>it. In fact, I supported gun control before I did my homework.\n>\n>There's no demand for pro-gun people who don't know what they're\n>talking about. In fact, they'd be much better off if they didn't say\n>anything.\n>\nAnd why is this Freeman? Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are\ntalking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or\ntwo. I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have\nto say. I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look\nso calm down.\n\n>There's lots of information flowing on tpg for those interested in\n>learning. One can participate in those discussions without ranting\n>inaccurately. Failure to do so has consequences.\n>\nAh, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning. I have also\nasked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of\ninformation to read. Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am\ninterested in learning? I think it does because as you said people who don't\nknow anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause.\n\n>Another good habit to get into is to go read-only for a while, to take\n>the time to figure out how things work.\n>\nAnother good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman\nand accept mistakes. Sure, maybe it could have been some type of\nmisinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't. I made my\nstatement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry\nabout it but also to learn as much as you can. They accepted my mistake and\ngave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible. I have\nread several posts of yours and have found them informative. Why don't you\ngive me the same chance?\n\n>-andy\n\nJason\n",
"From: gavin@krypton.asd.sgi.com (Gavin Bell)\nSubject: Re: Surface normal orientations\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA\nLines: 38\nNNTP-Posting-Host: krypton.asd.sgi.com\n\nIn <1pscti$aqe@travis.csd.harris.com> srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes:\n>How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a \n>set of points, edges and faces?\n\nThis algorithm works well for me:\n\nAlgorithm to attempt to find outward-facing normals:\n---------------------------------------------------\nFirst, mark all faces as UNKNOWN.\n\nThen create an edge dictionary that allows you to find all of the\nfaces sharing a given edge (where an edge is two integers representing\nthe two shared vertices).\n\nPick an arbitrary face and mark it COUNTER_CLOCKWISE. Using the edge\ndictionary, orient all surrounding faces based on the orientation of\nthis face. And recurse for all surrounding faces, consistently\norienting the entire surface.\n\nFind the average of the vertices in this surface. Using that point,\ncalculate a volume measurement, taking into account the face's\norientation. If the volume turns out to be positive, assume the faces\nare oriented correctly. If it is negative, reverse their orientations\n(mark them CLOCKWISE).\n\nIf any faces are still UNKNOWN after this, choose another face\nand go through the algorithm again.\n\nAt the end, faces marked CLOCKWISE must have their indices reversed\nbefore facet normals are found.\n\n(Note: if you are running on Silicon Graphics machines and buy the\nIRIS Inventor 3D toolkit developers package you have the source to\nthis algorithm-- see /usr/src/Inventor/tools/ivnorm/. If you're\nnot... sorry, I can't give out the source, and even if I could it\nrelies heavily on Inventor).\n--\n--gavin (gavin@sgi.com, (415)390-1024)\n",
'From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nIn-Reply-To: tdawson@engin.umich.edu\'s message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu\nOrganization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences\n\t<1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com>\n\t<1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>\nLines: 16\n\n Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of\n doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading\n this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5\n different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts\n a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum\n for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?\n Just curious.\n\nI disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the\nsplit groups, and it would make things easier for those of us\nwho are less omnivorous. There is no "waste" in creating news\ngroups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem\nwith only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time\non this as it is.\n\n-david\n',
"From: highlndr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (The Highlander)\nSubject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 23\n\ncptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699) writes:\n\n>Why so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe\n>about its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to\n>help define or critique the spec.\n\nHEAR HEAR!!!\n\n>Finally, a little numerology: 42 is 24 backwards, and TIFF is a 24 bit\n>image format...\n\nREALLY? i thought that the reason it was 42 was that it is REALLY 24, but\nwritten as 42 so that on Intel chips you could get the proper value :)\n\n-pete\n\nhelp stomp out the endian wars... break some eggs on their sides!\n\n-- \nPeter Mueller (TheBishop) | When a person commits a violation and sins\nhighlndr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu | unintentionally in regard to any of the\npmueller@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu | Lord's holy things, he is to bring to the\n | Lord as a penalty, a ram from the flock...\n",
'From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)\nSubject: Evo. & Homosexuality (Was Re: Princeton etc.)\nArticle-I.D.: srvr1.1psosqINN3gg\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 51\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wormwood.engin.umich.edu\n\n\n Sorry, Bill, I had to clear this up. There may be good evolutionary\narguments against homosexuality, but these don\'t qualify.\n\nIn article <C4vwn0.JF5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:\n>C.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote:\n[deletions]\n>: |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function\n[deletions]\n>: So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children?\n>: Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated. Obviously you keep to the\n>: Monty Python song: "Every sperm is sacred". And if, as *you* say, it has\n>: a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own \n>: arguement, natural.\n>\n>Consider the context, I\'m talking about an evolutionary function. One\n>of the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a\n>species procreate, those who don\'t have no purpose in that context.\n\n Oh? I guess all those social insects (e.g. ants, bees, etc.) which\nhave one breeding queen and a whole passel of sterile workers are on\nthe way out, huh?\n \n>: These days is just ain\'t true! People can decide whether or not to have \n>: children and when. Soon they will be able to choose it\'s sex &c (but that\'s \n>: another arguement...) so it\'s more of a "lifestyle" decision. Again by\n>: your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they\n>: must be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children. Both are \n>: as "unnatural" as each other.\n>\n>Yet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists\n>for procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That\n>homosexuals don\'t procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and\n>nothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose.\n\n I refer you to the bonobos, a species of primate as closeley related to\nhumans as chimpanzees (that is, very closely). They have sex all the\ntime, homosexual as well as heterosexual. When the group finds food, they\nhave sex. Before the go to sleep at night, they have sex. After they\nescape from or fight off prdators, they have sex. Sex serves a very important\nsocial function above and beyond reproduction in this species. A species\nclosely related to humans. There is some indication that sex performs\na social function in humans, as well, but even if not, this shows that\nsuch a function is not *impossible*.\n\n Sincerely,\n\n Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu\n\n "The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the\nstars!" - Robert A. Heinlein\n',
"From: schewe@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Schewe)\nSubject: $25.00 Network ???\nSummary: What is it??\nKeywords: network\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 8\n\nI have heard that there is something called a $25.00 Network that allows\ntwo PC's to be networked by joining their serial ports. Does someone out\nthere know anything about this? I would greatly appreciate e-mail on this!\n\nThanks! tschewe@first.etc.bc.ca\n\n:wq\n\n",
'From: baldwa@antietam.adobe.com (Sanjay Baldwa)\nSubject: X support for pressure sensitive tablet\nReply-To: baldwa@adobe.com\nOrganization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA, USA \nDistribution: comp\nLines: 7\n\nAre there any vendors supporting pressure sensitive tablet/pen with X? I\nwill appreciate any pointers.\n\nThanks, Sanjay\n\n--\nbaldwa@adobe.com or ..!decwrl!adobe!baldwa\n',
"From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)\nSubject: Re: RBI's (was: Notes on Jays/Indians)\nOrganization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit\nDistribution: na\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:\n>Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because \n>sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of\n>course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases,\n>so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would\n>not count then, either.\n>My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack\n>of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me,\n>either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8)\n\nBut why would you want to use RBI? RBI is an attempt to measure is some\ncombination of clutch hitting and power hitting. If you believe in\nclutch hitting, then look at how the guy hit with RISP. If you want to\nsee how good of a slugger he is, then look at his slugging average. \n\nIn terms of evaluating players, RBI totals are better than nothing. But\nwhy use them when so many better stats are out there?\n\n--\nDavid Frohardt-Lane dfl@math.wayne.edu \n++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\nGo Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!!\n++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n",
"From: keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla)\nSubject: CDN gun laws\nOrganization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation\nLines: 37\n\n[MODERATOR: Nice summary, Keith, thanks.]\n\nI talked to the federal Dept. of Justice (DOJ, Ottawa) to try and\nclarify a bunch of things regarding changes to Canadian gun laws.\nI am posting here for informational purposes; questions to email,\nfollowup to t.p.g.\n\n1. It is still technically feasible (but almost impossible) to get\n a concealed carry permit in Canada. This is contrary to what I\n was told by a police officer.\n2. It is still legal to use lethal force (such as a firearm) to\n protect life, also contrary to what the officer told me. Guns\n must be stored locked up and unloaded, however.\n3. Regarding hi-capacity magazines, it is still not clear who will\n be exempt or how this will be managed. This is up to each province.\n The general idea is that exempt persons will receive a letter/form\n authorizing them to possess the high capacity magazines. \n Apparently, the authorization is to specify how many of these\n 'prohibited weapons' you will be allowed to possess. Dealers will\n be allowed to order high capacity mags for those allowed to possess\n them, but will not be allowed to stock them.\n4. High capacity magazines converted to comply with the new limits will\n not be considered prohibited weapons. Amendments to the regulations\n specify some possible methods to alter the magazines. Some \n manufacturers (Beretta) will be marketing reduced capacity magazines.\n (God knows how much they'll charge for these)\n\nThis covers most of what we discussed. I have typed this from memory,\ndo not take it as gospel. I am not a lawyer and I refuse to play one on TV.\n\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Keith P. de Solla, P.Eng | IPSC Ontario, OHA, NFA, SFC, OFAH |\n| keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca | Frontenac Rifle and Pistol Club |\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n",
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re:xSoviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 174\n\nIn article <2BD220B1.22816@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n>>>>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must \n>>>>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of \n>>\n>>>No! NO! no no no no no. It is not justifiable to right wrongs of\n>>>previous years. \n\n>Well, there is a bit: such as the German reparations to the jewish\n>survivors of the Holocaust. Certainly, as such an event goes further \n>into the past, reparations become less realistic.\n\nI was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the\nworld. They were \'our\' grandparents who were cold-bloodedly exterminated\nby the Armenians between 1914 and 1920, not yours. And you can always\nparticipate in \'The Turkish Genocide Day\' along with millions of Turkish \nand Kurdish people on April 23, 1993 in the United States and Canada. \n\n...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned \njustice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and...\n\n- We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its \nresponsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render \nreparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its \nrightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an \nissue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that \nartificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed.\n\n- We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States \nthat it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts \nthe principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures \nto the contrary.\n\n- As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement \nprotest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued \ncoddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet\nArmenia.\n\n- We also demand that the United States return to the policies \nadvocated by U.S. Ambassador Bristol and other enlightened statesmen,\nwho have undertaken a just, human and benevolent attitude towards \nthe rights of the Muslim people and the just resolution of their Case.\n\n- Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia\'s.\n\n\nAnd in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have blatantly\nlied:\n\n>The Goltz article was NOT published in the Sunday Times Magazine\n>on March 1, 1992, but in the Guardian Sunday Section. \n\nWell, still anxiously awaiting...\n\nCIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh :\n\n"Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle \n on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians \n overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the \n area. \'The world is turning its back on what\'s happening here. We are dying \n and you are just watching,\' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."\n Helen Womack\n The Independent, 2/29/92\n\nArmenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:\n\n"The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the \n women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees. \n The few survivors later described what happened: \'That\'s when the real \n slaughter began,\' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive. \n \'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving \n up people with their bayonets and knives.\' A 45-year-old man who had been \n shot in the back said:\' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened \n up on us and people were falling all around. My wife fell, then my child."\n Thomas Goltz\n Sunday Times, 3/1/92\n\nArmenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing:\n\n"...about 1,000 of Khojaly\'s 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack. \n Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from \n the Khocaly area."\n Brian Killen (Reuters)\n The Washington Times, 3/2/92\n\nAtrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan :\n\n"Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles \n away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off...\n \'Women and children had been scalped,\' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to \n Karabagh\'s Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one \n truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their \n faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."\n Brian Killen (Reuters)\n The Washington Times, 3/3/92\n\nMassacre By Armenians Being Reported:\n\n"The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had \n killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the \n area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre."\n (Reuters)\n The New York Times, 3/3/92\n\nKillings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova:\n\n"Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some \n of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting \n at them when they sought to recover the bodies."\n Fred Hiatt\n The Washington Post, 3/3/92\n\nBodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre:\n\n"A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead \n and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All are the bodies \n of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 \n we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing \n uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small\n children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children \n cradled in the women\'s arms. Several of them, including one small girl, had \n terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they \n saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."\n Anatol Lieven\n The Times (London), 3/3/92\n\nKarabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains:\n\n"Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops \n surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six \n or seven light tanks and armoured carriers. \'We thought they would just \n bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat. But they \n attacked, and our defence force couldn\'t do anything against their tanks.\' \n Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their \n way through the mountains to safety. \'For two days we crawled most of the \n way to avoid gunfire,\' Sukru Aslanov said. His daughter was killed in the \n battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road."\n Anatol Lieven\n The Times (London), 3/3/92\n\nCorpses Litter Hills in Karabagh:\n\n"As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw \n the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as \n they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had \n been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post..."\n Anatol Lieven\n The Times (London), 3/4/92\n\n"Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of \n 120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the \n disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from \n recovering more bodies."\n The Wall Street Journal, 3/4/92\n\nExiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh:\n\n"Withdrawal halted; Armenians Blamed...\n More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of \n widespread civilian deaths and mutilation...\n One woman\'s feet appeared to have been bound..."\n Paul Quinn-Judge\n The Boston Globe, 3/4/92\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
'From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)\nSubject: Re: Solar Sail Data\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 24\n\nhiggins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:\n\n>snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes:\n\n>> I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar\n>> Sails. [...]\n>> Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ?\n\nBill says ...\n\n>Also there is a nontechnical book on solar sailing by Louis Friedman,\n>a technical one by a guy whose name escapes me (help me out, Josh),\n\nI presume the one you refer to is "Space Sailing" by Jerome L. Wright. He \nworked on solar sails while at JPL and as CEO of General Astronautics. I\'ll\nfurnish ordering info upon request.\n\nThe Friedman book is called "Starsailing: Solar Sails and Interstellar Travel."\nIt was available from the Planetary Society a few years ago, I don\'t know if\nit still is.\n-- \nJosh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\t\t "Find a way or make one."\n\t -attributed to Hannibal\n',
'From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay)\nSubject: Lasers for dermatologists\nOriginator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca\nNntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca\nOrganization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec\nLines: 15\n\n\nHaving had limited tinea pedis for more than 30 years, and finding\nit resistant to ALL creams and powders I have tried, I wonder why\ndermatologists do not use lasers to destroy the fungus. It would\nseem likely to be effective and inexpensive. Are there good reasons\nfor not using lasers?\nI was told that dermatology had not yet reached the laser age.\n\nJohn McKay\nvax2.concordia.ca\n\n-- \nDeep ideas are simple.\n Odd groups are even.\n Even simples are not.\n',
"From: ucer@ee.rochester.edu (Kamil B. Ucer)\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\nOrganization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.002811.22496@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:\n>I've heard many Turks say this and it surpises me that they don't read about\n>it.Remember the Treaty of Sevres-as a consequence of being in the Axis powers\n>in WWI.The Turks UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW were supposed to look after their\n>minorities ie. Greeks,Armenians,Kurds(I must say Turk-Kurd relations are \n>improving slightly with time) and not pose a threat to Turkey's neighbours.\n>The Turks blatantly rejected this treaty(the Germans grudgingly accepted \n>Versailles which was a million times worse for the health and pride of the \n>German people).The Greeks who had an army there,were there with BRITISH\n>and FRENCH backing to enforce Sevres.\n> In possibly the first example of appeasement the Young Turk government\n>managed screwed the Treaty of Laussane out of the weak allies,this was after \n>the Greek forces were were destroyed at Smyrna.When this occurred incidently,\n>FRENCH warships were in the harbour and many Greeks trying escape swam to the \n>FRENCH warships and climbed aboard only to get their arms cut off by the FRENCH\n>as they clawed they're way up the sides of the ships.\n>Libertae,egalitae,fraternatae.\nIt seems to me that you are the one who is supposed to do some reading. I think\nthat our major difference in opinion is on the legitimacy of Sevres. First, thattreaty was signed by the Ottoman Empire therefore legally it does not bind the \nRepublic of Turkey. The new independence movement (which by the way, is not the same as the Young Turks) naturally rejected it out of hand. to say that we \nshould accept because the Germans did theirs is absurd. We saw what the cosequences of such harsh treaties were in Hitler. Second, the Sevres treaty was even \nworse than Versailles. It divided the Ottoman Empire in to several influence \nzones, had the capital occupied, the economy under Allied control, the army di\nminished to nothing but a police force, in short a country in name only. I'd\nwonder if you would like to live under such conditions. And for the record, I donot feel sorry for the soldiers killed in IZMIR harbour. Before evacuating the \ncity, the Greek forces burned it down, so it serves them right.\nAs for being fooled by Allied promises, that too is your fault. You did not come to Anatolia just to enforce Sevres but to take part in the plunder as well.\nK. Burak Ucer\n-\n",
'From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <C5rxH0.LJy@imag.fr> maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) writes:\n>In article <C5HJBC.1HC@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n\n>|> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is\n>|> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not\n>|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so\n>|> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no " killings\n>|> between the Jewish tribes on the way."\n\n>I don\'t like this comment about "Typical" thinking. You could state\n>your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see \n>a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible\n>in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen\n>as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That\'s why I think\n>it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can \n>unify as well.\n\nYou somehow missed Nabil\'s comments, even though you included it in\nyour followup: \n\n >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been\n >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the\n >Jewish tribes on the way..\n\nI am not aware of "killings between Jewish tribes" in the desert.\n\nThe point of "typical thinking" here is that while Arabs STILL TODAY\nact in the manner you describe, like "any nomadic people occupying a \nland", killing and plundering each other with regularity, others have\nsomehow progressed over time. It is not surprising then that Arabs\noften accuse others (infidels) of things that they are quite familiar\nwith: civil rights violations, religious discrimination, ethnic\ncleansing, land theft, torture and murder. It is precisely this \nmechanism at work that leads people to say that Jewish tribes were\nkilling each other in the desert, even without support for such a\nludicrous suggestion.\n\n-- \nJake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.\n',
'From: eylerken@stein.u.washington.edu (Ken Eyler)\nSubject: 3D Animation Station\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1r75bgINNob9\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu\n\n\n\tI am looking for some information about 3D animation stations that\nare currently on the market. The price of the station can be from 5K-20K, \nbut no more than $20,000.00. Type of workstation doesnt matter (PC, MAC, \nSGI etc..) . If you use or have bought/looked at one or can suggest your\ndream machine, then please mail me your configurations. I need the following.\n\n\t1. Type of station (PC, MAC etc.. )\n\t2. Expandibilty of the machine.\n\t3. Software that can run on it\n\t4. VTR Controller and/or VTR deck model/name.\n\t5. Vendors names and numbers.\n\nThanks in advance.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tKen Eyler\n\t\t\t\t\teylerken@u.washington.edu\n\t\t\t\t\tThe Evergreen State College\n',
'From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 159\n\n>In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu \n (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n>|> \n>|> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu \n (Tim Clock) writes:\n>|> \n>|> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, \n>|> Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with \n>|> attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the \n>|> other respects innocent lives?\n\n> Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are \n> using civilians for cover, \n\n"Assuming"? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in \nthis (or any) discussion, it doesn\'t help to bring up elements I never \naddressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is \n"right" or who is "wrong", only that civilians ARE being used as cover \nand that, having been placed "in between" the Israelis and the guerillas,\nthey *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight.\n \n\t[The *purpose* of an army\'s use of military uniforms \n\tis *to set its members apart* from the civilians so that \n\tcivilians will not be thought of by the other side as\n\t"combatants". So, what do you think is the "meaning behind", \n\tthe intention and the effect when an "army" purposely \n\t*does not were uniforms but goes out of its way to *look \n\tlike civilians\'? *They are judging that the benefit they will \n\treceive from this "cover" is more important that the harm\n\tthat will come to civilians.*\n\nThis is a comment on the Israeli experience and is saying\nthat the guerillas *do* have some responsibility in putting civilians\nin "the middle" of this fight. By putting on uniforms and living apart\nfrom civilians (barracks, etc.), the guerillas would significantly lower\nthe risk to civilians.\n\n\tBut if the guerillas do this aren\'t *they* putting themselves\n\tat greater risk? Absolutely, they ask themselves "why set \n\tourselves apart (by wearing uniforms) when there is a ready-made \n\tcover for us (civilians)? That makes sense from their point of \n\tview, BUT when this cover is used, the guerillas should accept \n\tsome of the responsibility for subsequent harm to civilians.\n\n> If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why\n> is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why \n> not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there \n> is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... \n> "GETTING BACK"..."GETTING EVEN". It doesn\'t make sense to shell the \n> villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli \n> government for the lives of civilians.\n\nI agree with you here. I have always thought that Israel\'s bombing\nsortees and bombing policy is stupid, thoughtless, inhumane AND\nineffective. BUT, there is no reason that Israel should passive wait \nuntil attackers chose to act; there is every reason to believe that\n"taking the fight *to* the enemy" will do more to stop attacks. \n\nAs I said previously, Israel spent several decades "sitting passively"\non its side of a border and only acting to stop these attacks *after*\nthe attackers had entered Israeli territory. It didn\'t work very well.\nThe "host" Arab state did little/nothing to try and stop these attacks \nfrom its side of the border with Israel so the number of attacks\nwere considerably higher, as was their physical and psychological impact \non the civilians caught in their path. \n>\n>|> What?So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states \n>|> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will\n>|> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the \n>|> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their \n>|> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some "guaratees"), there is no way\n>|> Israel is going to accept their "word"- not with their past attitude of \n>|> tolerance towards "anti-Israel guerillas in-residence".\n>|> \n> If Israel is not willing to accept the "word" of others then, IMHO, it has\n> no business wasting others\' time coming to the peace talks. \n\nThis is just another "selectively applied" statement.\n \nThe reason for this drawn-out impasse between Ababs/Palestinians and Israelis\nis that NEITHER side is willing to accept the Word of the other. By your\ncriteria *everyone* should stay away from the negotiations.\n\nThat is precisely why the Palestinians (in their recent PISGA proposal for \nthe "interim" period after negotiations and leading up to full autonomy) are\ndemanding conditions that essentially define "autonomy" already. They DO\nNOT trust that Israel will "follow through" the entire process and allow\nPalestinians to reach full autonomy. \n\nDo you understand and accept this viewpoint by the Palestinians? \nIf you do, then why should Israel\'s view of Arabs/Palestinians \nbe any different? Why should they trust the Arab/Palestinians\' words?\nSince they don\'t, they are VERY reluctant to give up "tangible assets \n(land, control of areas) in exchange for "words". For this reason,\nthey are also concerned about the sorts of "guarantees" they will have \nthat the Arabs WILL follow through on their part of any agreement reached.\n>\n>But don\'t you see that the same statement can be made both ways?\n>If Lebanon was interested in peace then it should accept the word\n>of Israel that the attacks were the cause for war and disarming the\n>Hizbollah will remove the cause for its continued occupancy. \n\nAbsolutely, so are the Arabs/Palestinians asking FIRST for the\nIsraelis "word" in relation to any agreement? NO, what is being\ndemanded FIRST is LAND. When the issue is LAND, and one party\nfinally gets HOLD of this "land", what the "other party" does\nis totally irrelevent. If I NOW have possession of this land,\nyour words have absolutely no power; whether Israel chooses to\nkeeps its word does NOT get the land back.\n\n>Afterall, Israel has already staged two parts of the withdrawal from \n>areas it occupied in Lebanon during SLG.\n>\n> Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been\n> disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does\n> not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up\n> Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. \n\nWhile the "major armaments" (those allowing people to wage "civil wars")\nhave been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still\nremain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and "commando"\nraids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard\nfor human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue.\n\n> Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon\n> and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn\'t\n> make the Lebanese so mad as to do that.\n\nBat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks\nwere commonplace.\n\n>Furthermore, with Hezbollah subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible.\n\nThere is NO WAY these groups can be effectively "disarmed" UNLESS the state\nis as authoritarian is Syria\'s. The only other way is for Lebanon to take\nit upon itself to constantly patrol the entire border with Israel, essentially\nmirroring Israel\'s border secirity on its side. It HAS TO PROVE TO ISREAL that\nit is this committed to protecting Israel from attack from Lebanese territory.\n>\n>|> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain \n>|> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel.\n>|> \n> Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border?\n> Not lately, eh?\n\nThat\'s what I said, ok? But, doesn\'t that mean that Syria has to "take over"\nLebanon? I don\'t think Israel or Lebanon would like that.\n> \nWhat both "sides" need is to receive something "tangible". The Arabs/\nPalestinians are looking for "land" and demanding that they receive it\nprior to giving anything to Israel. Israel has two problems: 1) if it\ngives up real *land* it IS exposing itself to a changed geostrategic\nsituation (and that change doesn\'t help Israel\'s position), and 2) WHEN\nit gives up this land IT NEEDS to receive something in return to\ncompensate for the increased risks\n\nTim\n\n\n',
'From: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes)\nSubject: gif aerial maps?\nReply-To: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes)\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept. - Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville\nLines: 5\n\nIs there an ftp site for maps of the US. Preferably aerial\nphotographs?\n\nThanks\n\n',
'From: bone@wilbur.Stanford.EDU (Doug Bone)\nSubject: Players Rushed to Majors\nArticle-I.D.: wilbur.24\nLines: 34\n\nsnichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:\n\n>Can anybody name a player who was \'rushed\' to the majors (let\'s, for\n>argument\'s sake, define "rushed" as brought up to the majors for more than\n>a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below\n>expectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing? \n\nI tend to agree that players are not hurt by early play in the big leagues.\nThe BRaves organization is a fertile ground to test this hypothesis, as they\nhad little talent on their roster for some time. Steve Avery, for example,\nwas rushed to the majors, and he fared very poorly during his initial campaign.\nHis subsequent pitching has not been affected by his 5+ ERA during his rookie\nyear. Bill James pointed out that it was relatively unusual to struggle so\nand then rebound.\n\nBob Horner was also rushed to the majors (out of Arizona State directly) had\ngood numbers immediately.\n\nI am not certain of the ages of people like Pete Smith, Craig McMurty, and\nDerek Lilliquist. The Braves pitching staffs were so bad when they came up\nthat they might have been rushed. Lilliquist and Smith struggled, but it\ndidn\'t hurt PS and DL may have been overhyped. I seem to recall CM pitching\nwell initially, though I don\'t have stats handy.\n\nDouglas Bone\t\tInternet: bone@luciano.stanford.edu\nStandard disclaimers\tBITNET: bone%luciano.stanford.edu@stanford\napply.\t\t\tUUCP: ..ucbvax!luciano!sierra.stanford.edu!bone\n',
"From: lm001@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Erwin H. Keeve)\nSubject: Marchin Cubes\nOrganization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de\nKeywords: Polygon Reduction\n\n\n\nHi there,\n\nis there anybody who know a polygon_reduction algorithm for\nmarching cube surfaces. e.g. the algirithm of Schroeder,\nSiggraph'92.\n\nFor any hints, hugs and kisses.\n\n- Erwin\n\n ,,,\n (o o)\n ___________________________________________oOO__(-)__OOo_____________\n|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_|\n|_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|\n| | |\n| Erwin Keeve | adress: Peter-Welter-Platz 2 |\n| | W-5000 Cologne 1, Germany |\n| | |\n| Dept. of Computergraphics & | phone: +49-221-20189-132 (-192) |\n| Computeranimation | FAX: +49-221-20189-17 |\n| | |\n| Academy of Media Arts Cologne | Email: keeve@khm.uni-koeln.de |\n|_______________________________|_____________________________________|\n\n",
"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: Corporation for Open Systems\nDistribution: world \nLines: 60\n\nIn <C5I7J7.F7A@eis.calstate.edu> mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:\n\n>stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes:\n>> Even the most extemist, one sided (jewish/israeli) postings (with which I \n>> certainly disagree), did not openly back plain murder. You do.\n>> \n>> The 'Lebanese resistance' you are talking about is a bunch of lebanese \n>> farmers who detonate bombs after work, or is an organized entity of not-\n>> only-lebanese well trained mercenaries ? I do not know, just curious.\n>> \n>> I guess you also back the killings of hundreds of marines in Beirut, right?\n>> \n>> What kind of 'resistance' movement killed jewish attlets in Munich 1972 ?\n>> \n>> You liked it, didn't you ?\n>> \n>> \n>> You posted some other garbage before, so at least you seem to be consistent.\n>> \n>> Dorin\n\n>Dorin,\n>Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The\n>distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people\n>whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these\n>soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. And\n>resistance is different from terrorism. Certainly the athletes in Munich\n>were victims of terrorists (though some might call them freedom fighters).\n\nAnd some of us call them murderous bastards, but what's in a name.\n\n>Their deaths cannot be compared to those of soldiers who are killed by\n>resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the\n>Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the\n>hostile occupiers in WWII. Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the\n\nJust a damn minute! What history books did you read? I seem to recall\nthat there were a few British, Canadian, American, and Commonwealth\nsoldiers in France about that time. Perhaps you believe they were taking\na vacation trip?\n\n>Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the\n>only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving\n>out the US)\n\nSure, the Lebanese want to get all foreigners out of the country so they\ncan go back to killing each other off.\n\n\n>-marc\n\nREB\n\n\n>--\n>______________________________________________________________________________\n>Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with\n>both eyes. \n>My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions.\n>______________________________________________________________________________\n",
'From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Hell\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 22\n\nQuoth the Moderator:\n\n>I have to say that I some qualms about giving you this explanation,\n>because it raises additional problems: If God is the source of all\n>existence, then a complete separation from him would make existence\n>itself impossible. So, does God maintain just enough connection with\n>those who are rejected to keep them in existence so he can punish\n>them?\n\nIn a short poem ("God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell"),\nC. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I\'m sure was current among others,\nbut I haven\'t be able to find its source:\n\nthat even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount\nof separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can\nachieve.\n\n-- \n:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *****\n:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : *********\n:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * *\n:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><\n',
'From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)\nSubject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR\nLines: 22\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nDave Naehring X2079 P7630 (ep502dn@pts.mot.com) wrote:\n: In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:\n: >Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball\n: >being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run\n: >prevented. \n: >\n: This certainly passes the "common sense test" for me, but is there any\n: statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what\n: percent is fielding? I\'d really like to know. BTW, Sherri, thanks for \n: the DA data I find it fascinating.\n\nOne of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn\'s \'Hidden Game\' is titled\n\'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,\' implying that fielding is 6%. How do\nthey determine that? Beats me -- it\'s been a long, long time since I\nread it.\n\nOne also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the\nsplit probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%.\n--\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nneal\ttraven+@pitt.edu\t You\'re only young once, but you can be\n\ttraven@vms.cis.pitt.edu\t immature forever. -- Larry Andersen\n',
'From: aras@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras)\nSubject: Polaroid Range finder interference-Help!\nOrganization: /etc/organization\nLines: 26\n\nWe have a setup with with 13 polaroid transducers and rangefinders. We\nwould like to fire these three at a time with about 5 ms between\nfirings. The three that are being fired do not fire in the same\ndirection. \n\nTo further explain the situation, assume we are firing sonars A,B,C\n5 ms apart each other. We should normally see an echo on A that\ncorresponds to the distance. However, sonar A detects the INIT line\nof sonar B! The detection is actually through the transducer of sonar A;\nwe can see a very faint 50Khz signal on the transducer, exactly at the\ntime the init line of sonar B is activated. \n\nWe feel that there is some ground coupling that is causing this interference.\nWe came to this conclusion since we are using a separate power supply\nfor sonars B and C. \n\nHas anyone else had any problems with these particular units and\nthis type of experience? Your suggestions for remedies will be greatly\nappreciated.\n\n\n-- \nCaglan M. Aras [] aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu\nECE Department [] ph: 919-515-5405\nNorth Carolina State University[] fx: 919-515-5523\nRaleigh, NC 27695 []\n',
'From: kwilson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kirtley Wilson)\nSubject: Mirosoft Office Package\nArticle-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.183345.28238\nOrganization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu\n\nI am in charge of purchasing some computer software for a small office and I\nhave a few question about Microsoft\'s Office Pack. \n\n1) I was wondering, are the programs that are packaged with the Office\nPack--WinWord, Power Point, Excel, and ccMail--complete and the latest\naddition?\n\n2) Are the programs "hobbled" in any way? \n\n3) Can we update single programs at a latter date ( i.e. from Excel 4.0 to\nExcel 5) ?\n\n4) Do you receive all of the necessary disks and documentation?\n\n5) Is there anything that I should be aware of that makes the Office Package\nless of deal that it seems?\n\nSorry if I seem skeptical put the price for the Office Package--$439.39 on the\nstreet--sounds like a great deal for the office that is purchasing its first\ncomputer and software. But all four complete programs for less than $450\nmakes me just a little suspicious. Maybe its just me. \n\nThanks for your help in advance\n\nKirt Wilson\nNorthwestern University\n\n-------------------------------\n\nInternet: kwilson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu\nBitnet: kwilson@casbah\n',
'From: nicolas.nowinski@aquila.com (Nicolas Nowinski)\nSubject: 14.4k Modem ZOOM\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344\nLines: 10\n\nHere it is\n\nZoom 14.4k FAX/DATA v.32bis modem. I have evreything only purchased in\nJanuary. Will happily provide the Fax/Comm. software and BOX and manuals.\nI am selling this for ONLY $125+s/h COD.\n\nNicolas Nowinski\n703-435-9590 FEEL FREE TO CALL for quickest service.\n---\n þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Yes you to can become a ASM programer for $1,000,000+S/h\n',
"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 24\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu\n\ncdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n:mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n:\n:> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day\n:> in Texas. \n:\n:Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n\nThank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it.\nI can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.\n\nMr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart\nof the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.\n\nMike Ruff\n\n\n-- \n- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * *\nThose who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** *\n liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * *\n safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * **\n nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *\n",
'From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: ABC coverage\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>\n>Thorne is good and I\'ve always been a fan of Clement (but I miss\n>Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up\n>at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers." (This\n>is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:)\n>\n\nIMHO...\n\nClement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant\nin my opinion), is a terrible\nanalyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example\nbeing New Jersey\'s first goal last Sunday.\n\nI grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew\ndid Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren\'t\nany Dick Irvin.\n\nAs long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or\nthe New York Rangers, I\'d take John Davidson over Bill Clement any\nday.\n\nGerald\n',
'From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)\nSubject: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)\nOrganization: University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <Apr.12.03.42.49.1993.18778@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_\n>paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans.\n>\n>Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions.\n>Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality.\n>\n>\n\n\tOne of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is\ntheir belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being\nbrought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God\nthe Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father\nusually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me. \n\tFortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not\nfall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both\nwithout gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both\na masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find\nsorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible\nfor a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat\neach other.\n-- \nTerrance Heath\t\t\t\theath@athena.cs.uga.edu\n******************************************************************\nYOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK!\n******************************************************************\n',
"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA\nLines: 26\n\nbskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n\n> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:\n> >\n> >One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just \n> >wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take?\n> \n> So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ?\n> \n\nYou know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too.\nHe claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand \nyears to forget what he preached.\n\n\tLove thy neighbor as thyself.\n\n\nAnybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent \nprovacateurs.'\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\ncutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy \n to the person who\n doesn't have to do them.\n Holt's law\n",
'From: Wayne Alan Martin <wm1h+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Dayton Hamfest\nOrganization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 5\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.163122.20454@cbfsb.cb.att.com>\n\nYes, it is the 23, 24 and 25, in but does anyone have directions how to\nget there after I get to Dayton. Thanks\n\nWayne Martin\n\n',
"From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)\nSubject: ONLINE BIBLE as bible study\nOrganization: National University of Singapore\nLines: 33\n\nHello, I am about to embark on a bible study on ACTS. I have online\nbible software with me. I would like to know the the background of the\nauthors of its various topics articles and about the author of the\nPeople's New Testament. I need to know how realible is the articles in\nthe Online Bible software. Specifically (for your convenience) I want to\nknow about the :\n\n\n\t\t1. Darby Translation ( I have never heard of this one)\n\t\t2. Young's Literal Translation (I have also never heard\nof)\n\t\t3. The realiability of the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon\n\t\t4. The authors (from which denomination etc) of the\narticles in the TOPICS modules.\n\t\t5. The realiability of the Treasury of Scripture\nKnowlege ( as I have never heard of too) \n\t\t6. Who are the commentators, Scofield and B.W. Johnson\nwho wrote the Scofield Reference Bible and the People's New Testament respectively \n\t\t7. The realiability of the Strong numbers.\n\nI will be most happy to receive a reply of any of you who knows about\nthe above. Also, please 'qualify' yourself so that I may know that I am\nnot receiving a 'rubbish' letter. I just want to make sure. \n\nWilfred Ling\n\n\t\n--\n***********************************************************************\n*Name\t : Wilfred Ling Siew Wee | National University of S'pore *\n*Internet : eng10205@nusunix.nus.sg | Electrical Engineering *\n*Bitnet\t : eng10205@nusvm.bitnet | *\n*********************************************************************** \n",
"From: js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su)\nSubject: Re: Rickey Henderson\nNntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <ls1d6vINNs65@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes:\n>Stay in school. You have a lot to learn.\n\nLearn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I know \nRickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if he \ndidn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is now.\n\nI just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport for a \nliving for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough.\n\nIf nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one hurting.\nThe A's will still win without him.\n\nRemeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their athletic \nability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard working\ncitizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay.\n\nI don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is when the\nsay they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3 million--also,\ntheir numbers get worse.\n\n",
'From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards)\nDistribution: world\nSubject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nOrganization: private COHERENT system\nLines: 12\n\nHolly KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote:\n> My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with\n> another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right \n> on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ??\n\nThe ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. \n\nno jumper set: drive is alone\nMA: drive is master\nSL: drive is slave\n\nMichael\n--\n* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 *\n * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 *\n',
"From: jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nSubject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals??\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nOrganization: University of Louisville\n\nIn article <C5nz60.99z@scraps.uucp>, frankh@scraps.uucp (Frank Holden KA3UWW) writes:\n> In <C57zsC.9FL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes:\n> \n>>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage \n>>levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have\n>>a suggestion?? Thanks.\n> \n> Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what\n> you want. They are selling it for about $3.50...\n \nDigi-Key also sells Quad Line Receivers, parts DS1489AN (68cents) and DS1489N\n(48cents). A Quad Line Driver, part DS1488 (48cents), is also sold. I guess\nif you don't won't to supply +12V, the chips with the pump-up circuitry might\nbe worth the extra cost. But 1488's and 1489's are available at your friendly\nneighborhood RS, parts MC1488 (276-2520) for $1.29 and MC1489 (276-2521) for\n$1.29.\n \nJeff White jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\n",
'From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)\nSubject: Re: Record burning...\nOrganization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century\nLines: 23\n\nrgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) writes:\n\n>The movie version\n>of "The Last Temptation of Christ" was so awful that practically no one\n>would have seen it, or been influenced by its message, had not\n>conservatives loudly protested its distribution. They unwittingly\n>created a larger market for the movie.\n\nIn many places, Christians were sucessful in their attempts\nto get the films banned, or at least given a very restrictive \nshowing.\n\nI have no problem with Christians burning their own pieces of\nart (though I find it a tragic waste). I do however have a \nproblem with their attempts to censor what I may or may not\nview.\n\nP.\n-- \n moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke\nclive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception\njames trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM\n brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza \n',
'From: fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org (Frank Kaefer)\nSubject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1\nOrganization: Stasys News Server, Starnberg, Germany\nLines: 22\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stasys.sta.sub.org\n\ndla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes:\n\n|..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm...\n\n|gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw\n',
"From: tp892275@vine.canberra.edu.au (C. Mierzanowski)\nSubject: Which Video Card? (Please HELP)\nOrganization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA\nLines: 13\n\n\nI've got a 386 20Hz computer which is under warranty and my Trident\n8900C video card is starting to play-up (surprise, surprise). Therefore\nI'm going to try to exchange it for a better card.\n\nThe BIG Question is:\n\nWhich video card is high quality and with an\nacceptable price tag (on student budget) ???\n\n\tThank you in advance.\n\n\n",
'From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com\nOrganization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:\n>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):\n>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five\n>>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n>\n>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau\n>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a\n>schoolteacher from Minnesota.)\n\nHere in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed\nin a similar manner.\n',
"From: cfairman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carolyn Jean Fairman)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 26\n\njoslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:\n\n>Someone writes:\n>>I found a list of Biblical contradictions and cleaned it up a bit,\n>>but now I'd like some help with it.\n\n>I'm curious to know what purpose people think these lists serve.\n\nIt's about time. Why do atheists spend so much time paying attention\nto the bible, anyway?\n\nFace it, there are better things to do with your life! I used to\nchuckle and snort over the silliness in that book and the absurdity\nof people believing in it as truth, etc. Why do we spend so little\ntime on the Mayan religion, or the Native Americans? Heck, the Native\nAmericans have signifigantly more interesting myths. Also, what\nabout the Egyptians.\n\nI think we pay so much attention to Christianity because we accept\nit as a _religion_ and not a mythology, which I find more accurate.\n\n\nI try to be tolerant. It gets very hard when someone places a book\nunder my nose and tells me it's special. It's not.\n\nCarolyn\n",
"From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen)\nSubject: Re: Pens Info needed\nNntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi\nOrganization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5K9E8.M3@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:\n\n>Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and\n>leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever\n>hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :)\n\nTrue, coach Matikainen is ready to keep a spot for Teemu all the way\nuntil the medal games. He wants Teppo Numminen, too. And Kurri, but for\nthem the spots cannot be left open for too long. Esa Tikkanen we have\nalready. \n\nEven without these players I think we have pretty good team. Young,\nhungry, talented guys, no old players that have got everything (except\nthe gold). Yesterday's practise game, SWE-FIN 6-6, shows that the two\nworld's best hockey teams ;) are in prime shape. The Finn line\nRiihijarvi(slightly injured)-Saarikoski-Viitakoski shined. I bet these\ntwo teams are the best in the NHL, too. Roger, Roger?\n\nWhat do you people think about Team Canada with Lindros, Brind'Amour,\nBurke, Ranford, Recchi, Dineen...? Can they beat the Finns:?\n\nCoaching news: \n\n\t Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified), \n Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara,\n\t Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks \n (assistant coach),\n\t Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien)\n\nFW Mikko Makela (ex-TPS) to Malmo IF.\nG Markus Ketterer (Jokerit) still has no contract.\nFW Timo Saarikoski to Jokerit, watch out for him in next week.\n",
"From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)\nSubject: japanese moon landing?\nOrganization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC\nLines: 17\n\nAfraid I can't give any more info on this.. and hoping someone in greter\nNETLAND has some details.\n\nA short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention\nabout how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just\nmanaged to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.\n\nthe article was very vague and unclear. and, to make matters worse, I\ndidn't clip it.\n\ndoes this jog anyone's memory?\n\n\nthanks\ndannyb@panix.com\n\n\n",
'From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)\nSubject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size?\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes:\n\n> Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of\n> free memory available to the Xserver?\n\nNo. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you\nget it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering\nuser actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc\nerror is your indication that insufficient server memory is available.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tder Mouse\n\n\t\t\t\tmouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu\n',
'From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)\nSubject: Re: Jose Canseco\'s Swing - 1992 vs. 1986.\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA\nLines: 68\n\nIn article <C5JKIK.1zF@ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes:\n>Here\'s my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep \'92, and Jose Canseco,\n>circa June 1986.\n>\n>1. He\'s bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds,\n> not gain more bulk.\n\nI\'ve been saying that for at least 2 years now and even the A\'s conditioning\nguru told Jose he was carrying too much weight and losing some would help\nhis back.Although I don\'t for one second believe Jose used steroids,his\nback problems are very similar to problems alot of steroid users experience\nbecause they are simply carrying too much weight on their frame(see Jeff\nBregel ex 49er as a textbook example), and IMHO Jose is too big for his\nframe.\n\n\n>2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I\'d say he\'s\n> lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that\'s a HUGE amount of speed.\n\nI can\'t imagine how to estimate bat speed, but its pretty obvious that\nJose is missing fastballs he used to hit, likely due to his back.\n\n\n>3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like\n> Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is\n> released. Downing could do this without significant head movement -\n> Canseco can\'t. Also, note that Canseco doesn\'t always close his\n> stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes,\n> they\'re fully closed. Without a good starting point, it\'s hard\n> to make adjustments in your swing.\n\nI don\'t know, he had an even more open stance when he first came up with\nthe A\'s, and had no problems with it then. It might be that pre-back\nproblems, he was quick enough to cover up any deficiencies the stance\ncaused, but now he\'s lost just enough bat speed that the stance hurts\nhim. The old saying if you\'re hot its a trigger mechanism, if you\'re\ncold, its a hitch. \n\n>First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance,\n>and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this\n>will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move\n>the bathead more freely.\n\nThe biggest problem IMHO is he never has found a stance he\'s comfortable\nwith for more than a few months. He changes his stance so much, he loses\ntrack of where the strike zone is. In Wednesday\'s night game, he was \nclearly mad at strike calls on both corners that looked pretty good to\nme. I think he no longer knows where the strike zone really is because\nhe\'s changed his stance so much.\n\nI\'m also a bit concerned that because he\'s got Palmer and Gonzalez hitting\nall the homeruns, he\'ll become competitive, swing even harder and screw\nhimself up even worse. LaRussa always said that Canseco\'s famous batting\npractice homer shows did him more harm than good as they encouraged\nbad hitting habits.\n\n\n\n\nRuss Smith\n*******************************************************************************\n"I don\'t know anything about X\'s, but I know about some O." \n George Gervin on being an assistant coach\n********************************************************************************\n\n\n\n\n',
"From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire)\nSubject: Sega CD [Forsale]\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 35\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nOk folks... \n\nI am in need for some money to purchase a Video Game Backup-Unit, so I\nhave decided to let go my SEGA CD unit... Heres the deal:\n\nSega Genesis CD/Rom Unit:\n------------------------\n o Playes Sega CD games\n o Playes Regular CD's\n o Playes CD-G's (Cd's w/graphics)\n o Comes w/ 5 Cd's (Pack-Ins)\n o Sega's Hot Hits (Regular CD w/ music)\n o Rock Paintings (CD-G - music w/Graphics Karoki like)\n o Sol-Feace (Shooter)\n o Sherlock Holmes (Mystery) - Clue Book, No Docs.\n o Sega Classics (Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi, Columns,\n & Golden Axe) - No Docs.\n o Box and Documents (CD Unit) Included. All games comes w/Jewels and \n documentation unless otherwise specified.\n\n\nOther Games:\n-----------\n o Cobra Command (Docs have water dammage)\n o Road Avenger *2 Weeks old!!\n o Night Trap (No Docs.)\n o All games come w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified.\n\n Im going to sell all of this to the HIGHEST bidder as of 4/30/93. I\nwould like to start all of the above at $250.00 or Trade for a Genesis/Snes\nVideo Backup-Unit. If you would like to bid or make an offer, just drop me\nsome mail... I will keep everone informed of what the current bids are..\n\nFoxfire \nfoxfire@access.digex.com\n",
"From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com\nSubject: HEAVY METAL (the magazine) for sale (NOT the MUSIC)\nOrganization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com\n\n I am cleaning out the coffers. I have a virtually \n MINT collection of HEAVY METAL magazine. This is NOT \n a music mag but the really neato mag with Giger and \n Moebius artwork, et al. Jam packed with amazing \n sci-fi and fantasy artwork by many masters. All are \n mint with the exception of the 3 that have split seam \n on the cover only but are otherwise perfect, no cut \n outs or missing pages. I have Sep, Nov and Dec issues \n for 1978, ALL issues for 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983 \n and Jan thru Sep for 1984 (72 issues in all i \n believe). I will not break them up. They will be \n sold as a single lot. Send your offers to me. \n Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of \n course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get \n 'em in person. \n\n arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com \n\n\n",
'From: randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson)\nSubject: When are two people married in God\'s eyes?\nOrganization: Univ. Texas-Houston Allied Health Sci\nLines: 18\n\nI would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged\ncouple become "married" in God\'s eyes? Some say that if the two have\npublically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and\nare unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective\nqualifier) they are married/joined in God\'s sight.\n\nSuppose they are unable to get before the altar right at the current time\nbecause of purely logistical reasons beyond their control. What do you\nthink about this?\n\nPost or e-mail me with general responses. If you need clarification as to\nwhat I am asking, please e-mail.\n\nThanks and God bless!\n\n============================================\nRobert M. Anderson III\nranderso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu\n',
"From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing)\nSubject: WHAT car is this!?\nNntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 15\n\n I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw\nthe other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/\nearly 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition,\nthe front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is \nall I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years\nof production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you\nhave on this funky looking car, please e-mail.\n\nThanks,\n- IL\n ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: brzyckmj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike)\nSubject: Panasonic KX-P1091i Driver?\nOrganization: Drexel University, Phila. Pa.\nLines: 2\n\nDoes anyone out there know if there are print drivers for Windows for the\nPanasonic KX-P1091i 9-pin dot matrix printer?\n',
'From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Xt intrinsics: slow popups\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 19\nKeywords: \n\nHelp: I am running some sample problems from O\'Reilly volume 4,\nXt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup\ndialog boxes and so on.\n\nIn example 3.5, page 76 : "Creating a pop-up dialog box"\n\nThe application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me".\nThe button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of\nthis program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the\nfirst time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), \nit is *much* slower.\n\nHas anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get\nthis behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response\ntime from 2nd time onwards ?\nAnyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time\nthey popup in reasonable fast response time ?\n\nThankyou - Shirley\n',
"From: mark@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)\nSubject: Re: Rumors\nNntp-Posting-Host: 223.199.55.11\nOrganization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.174851.22659@cs.unca.edu>, kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:\n|> I just heard an unbelievable rumor that Motorola has decided to drop their\n|> integrated circuit manufacture business. Apparently a Digikey rep called \n|> one of our production coordinators, for out information so that we could\n|> make plans to deal with this, that Moto was getting out. Anybody else\n|> get a call about this?\n|> \n|> Too much for me. It's about like Intel announcing they were getting out\n|> of the IC business.\n\n\nThis rumor didn't happen to appear on April 1st?\n\nIf this DigiKey rep was serious, I think I will buy my parts elsewhere.\nIf that is the way they do business, you cannot trust them.\n\nMark\n",
'From: f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu\nSubject: Re: Educational Pricing\nArticle-I.D.: jaguar.1993Apr15.134938.1\nOrganization: Washington State University\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5Iz7n.Kyv@cs.dal.ca>, hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) writes:\n>>you can find retail that is within the price of a keyboard of educational\n>>prices. \n\nI would be very wary of retail outlets selling as cheap as educational prices!\nI went for a retailer, actually mail order (CDA computers), because its price\nwas better thant the campus computer store. I found out why later on when I\ntried to get a repair done at an Apple registered repair center - the CPU was a\nresale. The serial number had been removed and replaced with a non-standard\nnumber (probably from CDA computers). Consequently, the Apple repair man could\nnot do ANY warrenty repairs. So I ended up with just a 90day warrenty from CDA\nover the Apple 12month warrenty. Boy, was I pi**ed! Moral of the story, CAVEAT\nEMPTOR.\n\nHowever, if you go with a reliable, trustworthy mail order firm (if they exist\n- maybe someone could enlighten us with their experiences), you will probably\nget a better price than your local educational outlet simply because mail order\nout of state does not REQUIRE sales tax yet. Though for how much longer remains\nto be seen. The addition in sales tax on a CPU purchase will probably wipe out\nan educational discount. Again CAVEAT EMPTOR, some mail order companies DO\ninclude sales tax on purchases even if they are out of state, so check!\n\nRichard.\n \\\\\\\\/ Richard J Appleyard f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu\n /o o\\ Washington State University \n( ) ) Voice (509) 335-7728 Fax (509) 335-9688 \n \\_o_/ "To err is human, but to really screw things up takes a computer!"\n',
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C5oG5H.4DE@exnet.co.uk>, sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:\n> In article <15409@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n> >In article <MJCUGLEY.93Apr14110319@glenturret.maths-and-cs.dundee.ac.uk>, mjcugley@maths-and-cs.dundee.ac.uk (Womble with Attitude) writes:\n# ## Absolutely nothing, seeing as there is no table for heterosexuals.\n# ## If, as you claim, the supposedly higher promescuity amongst homosexual\n# ## males makes them an insurance risk, you need to be show that\n# ## heterosexual males are less promiscuous than homosexual males.\n# ## Without the data on heterosexual males, we cannot make a comparison\n# ## between promiscuity rates of heterosexuals and homosexuals.\n# ## \n# ## * mjcugley@maths-and-cs.dundee.ac.uk (world)\t\t*\n# ## * or mjcugley@uk.ac.dund.maths-and-cs (UK)\t\t\t*\n# \n# Well, the obvious point to make is would straight men fuck like rabbits\n# if the oppertunity presented itself?\n# \n# I reckon *any* *man* would go wildly promiscuous if presented with a\n# huge variety of willing partners. The question here is not of being\n\nThat, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up you are.\n\n# #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\n# Xavier\n\n\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
'From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng)\nSubject: 1990 Integra LS for sale\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nDistribution: nj\nKeywords: for sale integra\nLines: 15\n\n\n\n********* 1990 Integra LS for Sale *********\n\n5 speed, sunroof, rear spoiler, new tires\n59.7K miles\n\n$ 7950 or best offer.\n\ncall 908-949-0878\n 908-938-4101\n\nemail att!hotsoup!peng\n\n*********************************************\n',
"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)\nSubject: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?)\nNntp-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov\nOrganization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5KzLs.KKB@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes:\n> mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes:\n>>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is\n>>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? \n\n> The LC family of Macs can only\n> use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus.\n\nAh, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the\ndifference is between PDS and Nubus? \n\nIs it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a\nNubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to\nlocate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for\nthis?\n\n-- \n O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \\|/\n - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\\~~~~~~~~~~~zap!\n / \\ (_) (_) / | \\\n | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory\n \\ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET\n - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV\n ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS \n",
"From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)\nSubject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick\nOrganization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\n\t<JOSHUA.93Apr19183833@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>\n\t<Pegasus-200493113800@fp1-dialin-1.uoregon.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu\nIn-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 18:43:14 GMT\n\n\nIn article <Pegasus-200493113800@fp1-dialin-1.uoregon.edu> \nPegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) writes:\n\n> In article <JOSHUA.93Apr19183833@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>,\n> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote:\n\n> > In article <Pegasus-150493132018@fp1-dialin-4.uoregon.edu> \n> > Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes:\n\n> LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians\n> brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On\n> the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena\n> to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can\n> easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions.\n\n> josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument?\n\n> Love to,but I must do it a bit later My copy of Harrison in packed, but the\n> last chapter as best as I can rember deals with Orphic mysteries and their\n> views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly\n> implyed that the Christian view was drawn heavly from the Orphic and other\n> Major cults of the time.\n\nI would really appreciate if when someone brought something like\nthis up they didn't back out when someone asked for details.\n\nhave a day,\njosh\n\n",
'From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nNntp-Posting-Host: euas27c42.eua.ericsson.se\nNntp-Posting-User: euatno\nOrganization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 78\n\nrauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:\n\n\n\n> Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter\n>of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on\n>NHL teams have escalated to the following stats:\n\n>Canadians: 400\n>Americans: 100\n>Europeans: 100\n\n> Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top\n>25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun.\n\n> Here\'s the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick\n>of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let\'s say, the\n>Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and\n>"Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn\'t it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,\n>and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other\n>teams is getting worse as well. \n\nIs the answer as simple as that you dislike russians???\n\n> I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about "Pavel Bure, the\n>Russian Rocket" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see\n>the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the \n>plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, \n>I\'m not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). \n\n>Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that\n>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and\n>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR\n>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren\'t even\n>better hockey players. It\'s all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening,\n>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue\n>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.\n\n> With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly\n>only getting worse.\n\nAnd where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans?? Dont say\nthat the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game.\nI mean, look at the way you play these days. Less fights and more hockey.\nImho, canadian hockey has had a positive curve of development since the\n70\'s when the game was more brute than beauty......\n\n> I\'m all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures\n>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.\n\nOh, look!! You don\'t like Finns either....\n\n> I just don\'t want them on mine.\nToo bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe.....\n\nHmmm... And what kind of a name is Rauser. Doesn\'t sound very "canadian" to\nme. ;-)\n\nPS. When analyzing teams like Italy, France and Great Britain you find that\na lot of their players are "Canadians" with double citizenship... DS\n> \n> \n>-- \n>Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you\'re doing."\n>rauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don\'t worry about that. We\'re professional\n>WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."\n>-----------------\n>"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai\n _________________ __________\n / _ , /l /\n _/__()_/))_(/_/)_ _/ L/_()_/)_/)_\n / /\n********************************************************************\n* Tomas Nopp Tel : +46 8 727 33 24 *\n* Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs Fax : +46 8 647 80 59 *\n* Box 1505 Email : Tomas.Nopp@eua.ericsson.se *\n* S-125 25 ALVSJO <------ Snailmail *\n********************************************************************\n',
"From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey\nOrganization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.031823.11861@news.stolaf.edu>\n\n\nJoel Alvstad writes:\n\n>A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, \n>or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of\n>5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted\n>two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to\n>play.\n\nThis is very sad indeed. My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are\nlosing their team.\n\nI fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team\nleft in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers.\n\nWe should always enjoy things when we can. You never know when they'll\nbe taken away from us.\n\nMom.\n\n\n",
'From: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au\nSubject: St. Maria Goretti\nOrganization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.\nLines: 125\n\nHeres the life of St. MAria Goretti, posted with kind permission of\nthe editor of the Australian Catholic Magazine "Morning Star".\n\nHope you like it.\n\n Put up with anything to prevent sin St. Maria Goretti\n\n\n\n Maria was born on October 16th 1890 to Luigi and Assunta Goretti,\n the eldest daughter in the family of seven. She was a cheerful\n girl, always imitating her parents. She had but one disire, but\n one wish: to receive our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.\n\n The date was finally set for little Maria to receive our Lord on\n the feast of Corpus Christi. For Maria, time seemed like an eter-\n nity as she slowly neared the great day. When it finally\n arrived, Fr. Jerome( the priest who was to celebrate the Mass and\n give the children their First Holy Communion) delivered a sermon\n on\tthe immense love of Jesus Christ for them and the great love\n we should have in return for Him. He then warmly urged them to\n die rather than commit a mortal sin.\n\n Maria humbly approached the Altar of God and received the Holy\n Eucharist.\tHer only sadness was the thought of her father\'s\n absence, who died some time beforehand. As for the\trest of the\n day, Maria remained under the spell of the divine visit; that is\n until\n\n\t\t\t\t -4-\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n her thoughts changed to when she could go next to Holy Communion.\n Thus ended the happiest day of Maria\'s life.\n\n Over the next twelve months, Maria had changed from a giggling\n little girl into a quiet young lady with responsibilities. As her\n mother went out into the fields in place of her husband,\tMaria\n took on the ironing, cooking, washing and other motherly duties.\n She was doing this not only for her own family, but also for the\n Serenellis, a father and son who lived with the Goretti\'s, owning\n a share in the farm. Although Maria was poorer than all the other\n children, she by far surpassed them in virtue. In all thi ngs she\n did the Holy Will of God.\n\n During the month of June, Alessandro Serenelli(the son)\ttwice\n made advances upon Maria when he chanced to be alone with her. On\n both occasions Maria managed to struggle free of Alessandro\'s\n strong grip, but on the second, he threatened to kill her if she\n even uttered a word to her mother. From this day on, Maria\tlived\n in terror, fearing lest Alessandro attack again.\n\n\n On July 5th 1902, Alessandro left work in the fields to "get a\n handkerchief," as\the claimed. He went to the storeroom beneath\n the house where Maria, who was outside on the landing with the\n baby, could hear him fumbling about in with tools. She wondered\n what he was doing. It was later learned that he was sharpening a\n 91/2" blade. He went to the house and called for Maria. She told\n him she wouldn\'t go to him unless she knew why she was needed. He\n stormed out to the landing and dragged her up to her room. Mar ia\n instantly realized what he was up to. "No, No, No! Do not\ttouch\n me! It is a sin, you will go to Hell!" At this point Alessandro\n held the knife over Maria\'s chest, who was now on the floor.\n\n "Will you or will you not?" Maria gathered all her energy.\t"No I\n will not,\tAlessandro, no!" She had chosen her martyrdom over\n sin, God over Satan. Overcome with rage, Alessandro plunged the\n knife into Maria\'s breast fourteen times. Finally he came to\n his senses and thought Maria was dead. Frantically he threw the\n knife behind a closet and locked himself in his room. The crying\n of the baby Teresa\ton the landing brought the\tattention to\n Assunta and the father of Alessandro. As the baby was unattended\n and was in danger of falling off, they ran to the house to find\n Maria, who, covered in blood, was dragging herself to the door.\n When asked what happened she said Alessandro stabbed her. "He\n wanted to make me do wrong and I would not."\n\n The ambulance arrived, then the police who took Alessandro\taway.\n As\tthe ambulance\tcarried Maria to the hospital, a large crowd\n followed on foot. The doctors at the hospital held no hope for\n poor little Maria. The same Fr. Jerome who gave Maria her First\n Communion\n\n\t\t\t\t -5-\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n came to administer the last rites and to give her Holy Viaticum.\n He asked Maria if she would forgive her murderer. "Yes. For the\n love of Jesus I forgive him. I wish for him to one day join me\n in\tParadise. May God forgive him, for I alread y have." Maria\n died at about three o\'clock.\n\n Alessandro was tried and found guilty of Maria\'s death but\n because of his age he was sentenced to only thirty years in\n prison. After eight years of being a violent prisoner and show-\n ing no regret for his crime, he saw in a dream, in the midst of\n a field of flowers, Maria holding out a bunch of white lilies to\n him. Soon later he wrote to the local bishop, begging God\'s par-\n don for the grave sin he had committed. He later gave testimony\n in\tMaria\'s beatification in 1947. Less than three years later,\n on Ju ne 24th 1950, Maria was canonised. Assunta Goretti was the\n first mother ever to be present at her daughter\'s canonisation.\n\n May St. Maria Goretti help\tus to\tbe pure and grant us the\n strength to die rather than commit a mortal sin.\n\n Saint Maria Goretti, pray for us.\n\n\n by Brendan Arthur\n\n-- \nInternet: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au \nViva Cristo Rey !! Long Live Christ the King.\n',
"From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W)\nSubject: Re: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG\nOrganization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam\nLines: 19\n\n10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) writes:\n\n>HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO\n>ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG\n>ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE.\n\n>HARDWARE:\n>AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD\n>AMI BIOS 91\n>CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE\n>TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA\n\n>PLEASE HELP!!!\n>ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!!\n\nI have the same problem. Someone suggested it might be a BIOS bug.\nGonna check with my supplier tomorrow. I'll tell you if it helps.\n\nWouter.\n",
'From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)\nSubject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant\nReply-To: pooder@msus1.msus.edu\t\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster\'s views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: garnet.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:\n|> \tFor those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,\n|> what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe\n|> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.\n|> (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official\n|> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I\'m paying that usury...)\n|> \n\nPrestone. I buy it at ShopKo for less \nthan that a _gallon_. BMW has even more\nexpensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be \nfrom grapes only grown in certain parts of\nthe fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don\'t \nworry about it -- just change it yearly and\nkeep it topped off". It\'s been keeping \nGretchen happy since \'87, so I guess it\'s OK.\n\nKept my Rabbit\'s aluminum radiator hoppy for\n12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess\nit\'s aluminum safe. \n\n*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester \nBMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.\n\n-- \n\n\n Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD #591 \n -------------------------------------------------------------------------\n "What Do *You* Care What Other People Think?" -- Richard Feynman \n -------------------------------------------------------------------------\n I share garage space with: Gretchen - \'86 K75 Harvey - \'72 CB500 \n -------------------------------------------------------------------------\n << Note the different "Reply-To:" address if you want to send me e-mail>>\n',
"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Argic\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <dj80734@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com> cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) writes:\n>You definetly are in need of a shrink, loser!\n\n\nHey cheesedicks, stop sending messages to a guy who's not going to\nread them. And who cares anyway? \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"From: oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas)\nSubject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?\nOrganization: Georgia State University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 17\n\ndaubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:\n\n\n>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next\n>> year with all new models. \n\n\n>Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and \n>acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not \n>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class \n>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 \n>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. \n\n\n As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of\nall models. I bought one for my wife.\n\n",
'From: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh)\nSubject: F.Y.I.: ImageWriter to Windows...\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 53\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\n[ Article crossposted from comp.windows.ms ]\n[ Author was Kevin Routh ]\n[ Posted on 19 Apr 1993 12:35:55 GMT ]\n\nFor your information:\n\nI hooked up my ImageWriter I to my COM1 serial port and used the C-Itoh\n8510 driver in Windows 3.1. The cable I am using is a straight-thru\ncable connected to a Null Modem Adapter I got at Radio Shack (catalog\n#26-1496a) for $4.95. It seems to work fine with both DOS and Windows.\nI used the following command in DOS\n\n\tC:\\DOS\\mode COM1:9600,n,8,1,p\n\nand set up the port the same way in the Windows Ports setup.\n\nthe Null Modem connections are as follows:\n\n\t1\tto\t1\n\t2\tto\t3\n\t3\tto\t2\n\t4\tto\t5\n\t5\tto\t4\n\t6+8\tto\t20\n\t20\tto\t6+8\n\t7\tto\t7\n\nI printed from several applications and all seems OK. \n\n-- \nKevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com\nFord Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF\nELD IC Engineering\n17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136\nDearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244\n\n\n\n--\nKevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com\nFord Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF\nELD IC Engineering\n17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136\nDearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244\n\n\n--\nKevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com\nFord Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF\nELD IC Engineering\n17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136\nDearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244\n\n',
'From: tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport"\nNntp-Posting-Host: seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:\n>In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:\n>>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I\'m curious to know, do \n>>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it \n>>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n>\n>This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical\n>coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future\n>national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured\n>must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital,\n>you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. \n>In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, \n>you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do\n>so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within\n>24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need\n>your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly\n>wouldn\'t know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry\n>the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage.\n>\n> Frank Crary\n> CU Boulder\n>\nWhich works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the\nhead and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to \nme, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound\nnice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and\nbureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve.\n\n\t\t\t\tTom the non hacker\n\t\t\t\ttsmith@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu\n\t\t\t\tThe return address is set wrong, send personal\n\t\t\t\tresponse to the above address.\n\n\n',
"From: ph@gmd.de (Peter Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC\nTo: ebuddington@eagle.wesleyan.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: gmdzi\nOrganization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany\nLines: 23\n\nIn <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes:\n\n>\tIf you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick\n>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port\n>has built in A-D converters. This would allow the joystick to be a couple of \n>pots. If you could find the specs this might just work for you...\n\nI guess 100k, connecting pins 1-3 (1x), 1-6 (1y), 9-11 (2x), and 9-13 (2y).\n\nOr: Get an 8-bit DA-Converter (merely a couple of transistors and\nResistors) and an OpAmp to compare its output to the voltage you want to\nmeasure, connect them to a spared printer port (if you have one), and do\nthe rest by software (stepwise refinement). The port addresses for your\nprinter ports are probably: &H378 (LPT1), &H278 (LPT2). This should work\nwell enough for your purposes.\n\nHope this helps\n\n--\nGMD, Schloss Birlinghoven, Postfach 1316, D-5205 St. Augustin 1, FRG\n\ne-mail: Peter.Hendricks@gmd.de\t\t\tph@zi.gmd.dbp.de\n\t ph@gmd.de\n",
"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nSubject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?!\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 21\nReply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid y!)) says:\n\n>\n>Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that\n>AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? \n\nAbsolutely. Lewis didn't care for the 1921 O.T.O. charter from Reuss. He had\nin mind something completely diferent. Crowley and Lewis were very\ndifferent persons, as you probably know.\n\n>.. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin\n>off of AMORC??\n\nNo. My overstatement, sorry :-)\n\n>>Study Harder,\n>Study Smarter, not Harder! :-)\n>\nI ALWAYS DO.\n\n",
'From: smartin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.c.martin)\nSubject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 36\n\nFrom article <1993Apr16.162950.25849@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger):\n\n> This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my \'experience\'. For \n> crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers \n> this way and still stay in business? Again, I don\'t expect sales people to \n> bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don\'t expect to be \n> abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to \n> me and in other \'negotiating\' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales \n> cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue \n> to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are \n> easy to intimidate.\n> \n\nA couple of months ago I went to a dealership to test drive a car. Afterwards,\nwe sat down to discuss prices. I explained that I wanted a car just like the\none I drove, but in a different color. He said he could get one exactly like\nI wanted from the dealer network within a day. We then negotiated a price and\nsigned the deal.\n\nNext day, I get a call. He explains that they goofed, and they had neglected\nto take into account a price increase. (The last price increase had occurred\nover 4 months prior to my visit.) If I still wanted the car, I would\nhave to fork over another $700. As an alternative, they would honor the\nprice if I bought the car I test drove (which had been sitting around for \n6 months and had a few miles on it). I said goodbye. This was a good\nexample of how they can lowball you and still cover their butts. It\'s too\nbad more people don\'t demand honesty or these types of dealers would\nno longer be in business. \n\nThe next dealership I went to was straightforward and honest. First thing the\nsalesman said was, "Lets\'s see what you have for dealer cost and work out\nhow much profit I should make." The deal went through with no problems.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tSteve\n\n\n',
"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)\nSubject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 14\n\nJohn Berryhill, Ph.D. writes\n\n>I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses\n>while driving. \n\numm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant,\nfundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of\nus try very hard to be discreet and stay alert.\n\n--\nPeter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light!\nAcademic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again...\nUniversity of Virginia | Companion keyboard.\npmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho\n",
'From: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk (Tim Channon)\nSubject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet?\nReply-To: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk\nDistribution: world\nX-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $\nOrganization: null\nLines: 53\n\nHere is a different viewpoint.\n\n> FYI: The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP\n> deskjet is 1/600th inch. The electronics and dynamics of the ink\n> cartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch.\n> On almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1/300th inch anyway.\n> \n> The method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer\n> results in much less spread than ink drop technology.\n\nIn practice there is little difference in quality but more care is needed \nwith inkjet because smudges etc. can happen.\n\n> It doesn\'t take much investigation to see that the mechanical and\n> electronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than\n> inexpensive ink jet printers. Recall also that laser printers\n> offer a much higher throughput: 10 ppm for a laser versus about 1\n> ppm for an ink jet printer.\n\nA cheap laser printer does not manage that sort of throughput and on top of \nthat how long does the _first_ sheet take to print? Inkjets are faster than \nyou say and in both cases the computer often has trouble keeping up with the \nprinter. (I have a 486/33 and a lot of drivers cannot keep up with the \nprinter)\n\nA sage said to me: "Do you want one copy or lots of copies?", "One", \n"Inkjet".\n \n> Something else to think about is the cost of consumables over the\n> life of the printer. A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about\n> $US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield)\n> cartridges are about $US 22 at discount. It could be that over the\n> life cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are\n> less than ink jet printers. It is getting progressively closer\n> between the two technologies. Laser printers are usually desinged\n> for higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product\n> replacement cycles.\n\nPaper cost is the same and both can use refills. Long term the laserprinter \nwill need some expensive replacement parts (consumables) and on top of that \nare the amortisation costs which favour the lowest purchase cost printer.\n\nHP inkjets understand PCL so in many cases a laserjet driver will work if the \nsoftware package has no inkjet driver. \n\nThere is one wild difference between the two printers: a laserprinter is a \npage printer whilst an inkjet is a line printer. This means that a \nlaserprinter can rotate graphic images whilst an inkjet cannot. Few drivers \nactually use this facility.\n(there is also the matter of downloadable fonts and so on)\n\n TC. \n E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk\n \n',
'From: erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams)\nSubject: Can I remove the 68000 under my daughterboard upgrade?\nOrganization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.\nLines: 26\n\nThe subject says what I would like to do, here are the details:\n\nI have a 512ke with the MacRescue upgrade board that makes it the\nequivalent of a Plus (System 7 and MacEnvy both identify it as such).\n\nThe MacRescue board clips onto the 68000 on the MB. It also has\na 68000 itself. Periodically I have to remove the clip (not an\nentirely easy thing to do) and clean the "legs" of the 68000.\nLarry Pina\'s book asserts that this is occasionally a problem with\nsnap on upgrades: the 68000\'s "legs" will oxidize, causing \nunusual system errors.\n\nWell, that\'s me.\n\nSo, I would like to do something permanent, and I think it would be\nfairly easy to put a socket in where the 68000 currently is, and\nmodify the MacRescue board to plug in. What I\'m not 100% sure of\nis whether it will work. It seems to me that the two 68000s aren\'t\nacting independently; so removing one shouldn\'t have any effect on\nthe performance of my Mac. I\'m about 97% sure.\n\nWill someone provide the extra 3%?\n\nErik\nerik@cheshire.oxy.edu\n\n',
"From: stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Steve Weet)\nSubject: Xterm Cursor\nX-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA19241; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:09:02 -0700\nX-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA08122; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:08:16 -0700\nX-Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for <comp.windows.x.usenet@decwrl.dec.com>)\n id AA13841; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:08:08 -0500\nX-Received: from chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com ([140.101.110.3]) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for <comp.windows.x.usenet@decwrl.dec.com>)\n id AA05426; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:06:06 -0500\nX-Received: by chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com (5.61/MCDMAIL IR04 [03/06/92 15:24]/1.36)\tid AA07883; Mon, 19 Apr 93 07:04:08 GMT\nX-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.3 26jan93)\nX-To: comp.windows.x.usenet\nLines: 42\n\n\n\nForgive me if this is a FAQ (I have checked the list but I cant find it).\n\nI have a problem with the cursor within Xterm on MONO (not grayscale monitors)\nThe problem is that when I have an character application that displays input\nfields in reverse video the Xterm text cursor gets lost on the edge of the\ninput field.\n\nThe solution would appear to be to set the xterm cursor to a line rather\nthan a block, but how do you do this. I can't find any means although\nvarious sources seem to indicate it can be done.\n\nWhen the xterm loses the input focus the cursor becomes an outlined block.\nThis would also be preferable but I can't seem to force this to be the\ndefault either.\n\nConfiguration is : Motorola 88K X11R4\n\nPlease reply by email if poss.\n\nThank you\n\n\n\n--\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nSteve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group\nBeechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England.\nPhone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com\nFax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075\n\n\n\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nSteve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group\nBeechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England.\nPhone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com \nFax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075\n\n",
"From: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L)\nSubject: Need Sharp 6220, T2000 parts, information\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company)\nLines: 23\n\nI'm looking for a Sharp 6220 or TI Travelmate 2000 for parts. Mine has\na bad RAM chip on the motherboard and I want to see what I can get for\nparts before sending it off to Sharp for repairs. If you have one,\ndrop me a line.\n\nAlso, I'm trying to set one up for a friend who needs to read his old\n5 1/4 inch diskettes. Anyone have the pinout of the diskette expansion\nconnector on the back of the 3.5 inch floppy box? \n\nIf you respond, please include a phone number. I can't always get through \nwith email.\n \nAs always, \n\nThanks,\n\nJim Lewczyk\n\n-- \nMailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\nJames Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267\nNCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM\n",
"Organization: University of Maine System\nFrom: The Always Fanatical: Patrick Ellis <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>\nSubject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens:\n <1993Apr16.235100.18268@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>\nLines: 18\n\nun, you better add at least another plus to the Pederson\nfor Neely trade, the Bruins also received a number 1 round\ndraft pick, didn't play great this year but Wesley's still a\ndecent defenseman.... And the Bruins got Pederson back eventually\nanyway.....\n\n Pat Ellis\n\n\nP.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1......\n\n HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....\n HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......\n PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......\n NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n\n\n M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE!\n",
'From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)\nSubject: Re: Overreacting (was Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more)\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 13\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n > Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this.\n >\n > The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot?\n >In a new Civil War?\n\n Not me -- which is precisely why the government must be cut off at the\nknees when it pulls stunts like this, lest the situation worsen to the point\nwhere extreme measures are required.\n\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)\nSubject: Re: Please help identify this old 3Com Ethernet card\nOrganization: University of Helsinki\nLines: 29\n\nsimon@moscow.uidaho.edu (Mike Simon) writes:\n\n>In article <1qhvunINNhau@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes:\n>|> I have an old 3Com ethernet card (PC AT Bus) that came out of a Apollo\n>|> workstation. I\'m trying to identify it in order to use it on a PC.\n>|> \n>|> The Assembly number is 4008-00 REV 2 and it is a 16 bit card, circa\n>|> 1985. It has an AUI port as well as a BNC coax connection. It has\n>|> selectable address for the BIOS, IO, DMA, and IRQ locations via berg\n>|> jumpers. It also appears to have a Intel 80186 processor on board,\n>|> presumably for buffering. \n>|> \n>|> The ethernet chip appears to be an Intel 82586, a 48 pin DIP package. Is\n>|> this chip an equivalent to the 8390 used in some cards? There is also\n>|> a 68 pin PLCC chip, called a LINK+\n\nI got two very similar sounding boards for dirt cheap, too. Their Assy\nnumbers were not 4000-series, but your description fits otherwise. They\nare 3Com 3C505\'s aka Etherlink Plus cards. Check out ftp.3com.com, there\nare drivers and diagnostic programs for just about any and all 3Com\ncards. I concluded that my card was the 505 after I ran their diagnostic\nprogram for 3C505 succesfully ("..passes with flying colours") :)\n\nAnybody know of packet drivers for these cards under OS/2..?\n\n-- \n Juha Liukkonen, aka jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi\n University of Helsinki, Dept. of Lost Souls\n "Trust me, I know what I\'m doing." - Sledge Hammer\n',
"From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko)\nSubject: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2\nOrganization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.\nLines: 8\n\n4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original\nbox, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you.\n\nTurns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if \nyou're interested in this marvel of modern technology.\n\n---\nAndrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com\n",
"From: swick@news.Colorado.EDU (Ross Swick)\nSubject: Books on I.C.C other than I.C.C.M.\nNntp-Posting-Host: nsidc2.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: cu\nLines: 21\n\nCan anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications\nBESIDES I.C.C.M.?\n\nI've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it\nbut nobody SHOWS you how. O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples,\nAsente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at,\nif they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and\nthen refer you to the ICCM. I did find one example of how to use Atoms and \nProperties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had\nmy applications talking to each other.\n\nI am not sure, however, if thats the best way. I'd like to stay independent \nof Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go. But within X\none can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups.\n\nI need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best\nfor which purpose, and gives examples. Without examples it's all just words.\n\nThanks in advance\n\nRoss\n",
'From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: thoughts on christians\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 24\n\nKent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote:\n\n\n: > This is a good point, but I think "average" people do not take up Christianity\n: > so much out of fear or escapism, but, quite simply, as a way to improve their\n: > social life, or to get more involved with American culture, if they are kids of\n: > immigrants for example. Since it is the overwhelming major religion in the\n: > Western World (in some form or other), it is simply the choice people take if\n: > they are bored and want to do something new with their lives, but not somethong\n: > TOO new, or TOO out of the ordinary. Seems a little weak, but as long as it\n: > doesn\'t hurt anybody...\n\n: The social pressure is indeed a very important factor for the majority\n: of passive Christians in our world today. In the case of early Christianity\n: the promise of a heavenly afterlife, independent of your social status,\n: was also a very promising gift (reason slaves and non-Romans accepted\n: the religion very rapidly).\n\nIf this is a hypothetical proposition, you should say so, if it\'s\nfact, you should cite your sources. If all this is the amateur\nsociologist sub-branch of a.a however, it would suffice to alert the\nunwary that you are just screwing around ...\n\nBill\n',
'From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH\nLines: 42\nReply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says:\n\n>In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n>>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed\n>>to go fast.\n\n>you have a point about the brakes, especially seeing as how the\n>mustang doesn\'t even have disc brakes in the back. \n>but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and\n>the late 80\'s 911s, not the least of which is handling. i\'m not\n ^^\n\nI think you mean late \'60s. The biggest change that Porsche undertook to\nalter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the\n\'69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase. Besides, some people\nactually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it.\n\n>in europe. the 911 got low marks for high speed handling (though to\n>be fair, they might have been comparing it to the vette\'s handling).\n ^^^^^\n\n>what was that phil hill (famous race car driver) said about the\n ^^^^ ^^^^\n\nYou should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about\nthe Vette\'s he\'s driven. \n\n>911 turbo? you can\'t make a thoroughbred out of a pig, but you can\n>have an awful fast pig.\n ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^\n\nYeah, that was what he said. :-)\n\nPaul Frere agreed. They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to\neither of the Vette\'s at that test. \n\n\n-- \nAl Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke \'blad Iaido NASA\n"Well goodness sakes...don\'t you know that girls can\'t play guitar?"\n -Mary Chapin-Carpenter\n',
'Subject: Re: Ford SHO engine parts!\nFrom: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) \nReply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525\nLines: 21\n\n\nW >>will NOT do work on internal engine components of the SHO engine. This\nW >\nW >Good thing, too.\nW >\nW >At about 25K miles my cam sensor went south. 2 different Ford\nW >dealers tried 5 or 6 different "fixes", none of which worked. Finally\nW >I took it down the street to the local mechanic. This guy reads the\nW >code off the engine computer, says "Bad cam sensor", and fixes it in \nW >an hour...\n\nA friend of mine had some sensors damaged by flood waters, Ford denys any\nsensors are registering bad. He and his father did the short a circut via\npaper clip method (not sure of the exact technique), and read the codes off\nthe "service engine" light flashes generated from this. Came up with the \ndamaged sensors, went back to Ford, and TOLD them what was wrong. They\nfixed the car after that. What a bunch of bozos.\n \n----\nThe Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system\nHouston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB\n',
'From: EEI.EEIIHY@memo.ericsson.SE (353-1-2800455)\nSubject: help\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: XPERT@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU\n\n--- Received from EEI.EEIIHY 353-1-2800455 93-04-26 12.28\n -> VAX.XPERT..EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU..INET\n -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET\nhelp\n\n',
"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker)\nSubject: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1\nReply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com\nOrganization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com\n\n..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm...\n\ngcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw -lXaw -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -lXt -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl -ltermcap\nUndefined first referenced\n symbol in file\nindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o)\nrindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o)\nld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm\n*** Error code 1\nmake: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xterm'\n\nAny clues for help?\n\n--\nDouglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products\n____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc.\n\\ \\ / /\\ / /\\ A Litton / Dresser Company\n \\ \\/ / \\ / / \\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n \\ / / \\ / /\\ \\ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com\n \\/___/ \\/___/ \\___\\ Voice : (713) 964-6128\n",
"From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)\nSubject: BMWMOA Controversy \nSummary: Request for _brief_ overview\nKeywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps\nOrganization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:\n>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:\n>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. \n>\n> [...] while I agree with you that the current\n>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash \n>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? \n\nYo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?\n\nIf there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of\nus please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your\nesteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you\ngot to the above contretemps?\n\nPoints will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area.\n\n-Pete Ahrens\n",
"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nSubject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography\nReply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nDistribution: inet\nLines: 12\n\nQuoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>:\n>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it\n>was posted encrypted?\n\n>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.\n\nIn fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they\nare almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the\nEFF.\n __ _____\n\\/ o\\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\\\ //\n/\\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \\X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!\n",
'From: Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Re: atheist?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 50\n\nI3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:\n\n> In article <ii1i2B1w165w@mantis.co.uk>\n> Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n> \n> (Deletion)\n> >\n> >My opinion is that the strong atheist position requires too much\n> >belief for me to be comfortable with. Any strong atheists out there\n> >care to comment? \n>[...]\n> Humans just come up with the idea of a spiritual parent. It is one\n> of the artifacts of human thought. The evidence for that is quite\n> overwhelming. And the information content of the conceived is vanishing.\n> \n> In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and\n> it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods.\n> \n> The concept is useless, and I don\'t have to introduce new assumptions\n> in order to show that.\n> \n> No leap of faith required for me. Your mileage may vary.\n\nYes I fully agree with that, but is it "I don\'t believe gods exist", or\n"I believe no gods exist"? As MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)\npointed out, it all hinges on what you take the word "believe" to mean.\n\nUnfortunately this is bound up in the definitions of strong and weak\natheism, at least according to the FAQ:\n\n# Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God.\n# Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is\n# often referred to as the "weak atheist" position, and the latter as "strong\n# atheism".\n# \n# It is important to note the difference between these two positions. "Weak\n# atheism" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. "Strong\n# atheism" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not\n# fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are "strong atheists".\n\n(From mathew\'s "An Introduction to Atheism" version 1.2 last modified 5-Apr-93)\n\nShould the FAQ be clarified to try to pin down this notion of "belief"?\nCan it?\n\n-- \nTony Lezard IS tony@mantis.co.uk OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk OR things\nlike tony%uk.co.mantis@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay OR (last resort) arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk\nPGP 2.2 public key available on request.\n\n',
'From: arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Society for the conservation of momentum\nDistribution: na\nLines: 65\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.204036.13723@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes:\n>In article <bontchev.735404289@fbihh>\n>\n>As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this->\n>aren\'t people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a\n>sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia?\n\nYes. Reasonable parallels. (though I don\'t think Russia ever claimed to be\nCommunist)\n\n>The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is\n>not the end of the world. Guess what? We\'re doing something now you\n>can\'t do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We\'re complaining about\n\nI must protest your "...in a Communist country". How do you know?\nThere haven\'t been any, and are unlikely to ever be any. In some Socialist\ndictatorships, you can\'t, whilst in some socialist democracies\n(such as France or Australia)\nyou can. Of course, some people may disagree about France & Australia being\nsocialist...\n\n>it, (or rather, you\'re complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. \n\nYet.\n\n>(Or, rather, if they\'re shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) )\n>\n>GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world\n>where a person can complain without getting shot at. \n\nIn some circumstances. I was at a public meeting last night (in the USA), where\na protester, who was very nice and calm, and just said before the\nspeaker started to beware of his opinions, was forced out of the meeting by\ntwo armed policemen.\n\nThere are a lot of things that one cannot do in the USA. You may not\nnotice them, but as an Australian visitor, I notice them.\n\n>People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody\n>did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things:\n>\n>1) What have they done right?\n>2) How much worse can it get?\n>\n>And you\'ll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky.\n\nYes, we are lucky at the moment. I hope that is still true in\na few years time. Because it didn\'t just happen...it required concious\neffort.\n\n>So let\'s talk about it, get some action going, decide what\'s going on. \n>But let\'s not overreact! \n\nOf course don\'t over react --- but don\'t under react.\n\nAndrew.\nDisclaimer: All my opinions are my own, and do not represent the society\nfor the conservation of momentum or any other group. I hope I don\'t lose\nmy student Visa as a result of these opinions..\n\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nAndrew Conway arc@leland.stanford.edu Phone: USA 415 497 1094\n\n',
"From: lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n|> In article <rudyC5Fr3q.1CL@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes:\n|> >In article <C5FMxD.2pM@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes:\n|> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for \n|> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as\n|> >>Alomar last year.\n|> > \n|> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count)\n|> >that you are basing this statement on?\n|> \n|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter\n|> last year.\n|> \n|> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E\n|> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19\n|> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5\n|> \n\nThis is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last \nyear, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga\nhad a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage\nfor Alomar is OBP.\n",
'From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov\nSubject: Assurance of Hell\nOrganization: FNAL/AD/Net\nLines: 139\n\nI dreamed that the great judgment morning had dawned,\n and the trumpet had blown.\nI dreamed that the sinners had gathered for judgment\n before the white throne.\nOh what weeping and wailing as the lost were told of their fate.\nThey cried for the rock and the mountains.\nThey prayed, but their prayers were too late.\nThe soul that had put off salvation, \n"Not tonight I\'ll get saved by and by.\n No time now to think of ....... religion," \nAlas, he had found time to die.\nAnd I saw a Great White Throne.\n\nNow, some have protest by saying that the fear of hell is not good for\nmotivation, yet Jesus thought it was. Paul thought it was. Paul said, \n"Knowing therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."\n\nToday, too much of our evangelism is nothing but soft soap and some of\nit is nothing but evangelical salesmanship. We don\'t tell people anymore, that\nthere\'s such a thing as sin or that there\'s such a place as hell. \n\nAs Jayne has said, this doesn\'t mean we have to come on so strong so as to hit\npeople over the head with a baseball bat. Yet the fact remains, there is a\nplace called hell. A place so fearful that God died to save us from having to\nexperience it. Whatever you or I, as Christians, do, we should do whatever we\ncan to win people to the Lord, if for no other reason, to keep them from going\nto "outer darkness.". \n\nJesus, in Mt. 25, tells us that He didn\'t prepare hell for people. He prepared\nit for the Devil and his angels. No where in the Bible do I read -anywhere,\nthat God predestined anybody to go to hell. D.L. Moody use to say that the\nelect are the "whosoever will" and the nonelect are the "whosoever wont\'s." \nWhether or not that\'s theologically sound, I couldn\'t defend, but its\npractical. Jesus said to the people of Israel, "Ye would not." \n\nNow, some of you may not be students of the Bible, heck -some of you may not be\nChristians. Have you ever said to somebody, "I don\'t believe in hell. I\nbelieve in the religion of Jesus." But did you know that Jesus talked more\nabout hell than He did about heaven! "Oh I believe in the religion of the\nsermon on the mount." You find hell taught by Jesus in the sermon on the\nmount. You\'ll read that Jesus talked about the tree being cast into the fire. \nSeveral times he talks about hell and about judgment. In fact, over and over\nin the synoptics, Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus talks about hell. Not Isaiah. \nNot Moses. Not John the Baptist, though he did, but Jesus, the Son of God. \nThe great Beloved One preached about hell because He loved people and didn\'t\nwant to see them go there.\n\nNow, if there is no hell then Jesus preached in vain. It was our Lord Jesus,\nnot some angry Baptist preacher, that said, "where the worm never dies, and\nwhere the fire never goes out." Jesus said that. It was Jesus who called hell\na "furnace of fire." It was Jesus that used the word, "condemnation." "And\nthis is the condemnation, that men love darkness rather than light because\ntheir deeds are evil. Jesus said that. \n\nHow can we get it across to you that a loving, dying Jesus preached about hell?\n Not only that, but He went through hell. That\'s what Calgary was all about. \nWhen my Lord was on the cross, darkness fell. He called hell, "outer\ndarkness." \n\nDo you have this idea that hell is a place where the gamblers are gambling over\nhere, the drunks are getting drunk over there, and the prostitutes are\nprostituting their bodies over there? That\'s not what hell is. Hell\'s not a\nparty. There\'s no fellowship there. He called it "outer darkness." "Outer"\n-away from God. "Darkness" -God is light. \n\nNo when He was on the cross, He was made sin for you and for me. God treated\nJesus the way sinners have to be treated. That\'s is a sobering thought. As my\nson would say, an "awesome" thought. \n\n"My God, My God why hast Thou forsaken me?" Hell is isolation. There\'s no\nfellowship in hell. There\'s no friendship in hell. There\'s no loving embrace\nin hell. There\'s no hand shake in hell. There\'s no word of encouragement in\nhell. \n\n"I thirst." It goes much deeper than physical thirst. Hell is eternal craving\nwith no satisfaction. The man whose life was lived for drugs, will crave it\neternally. The man whose life was lived for the lust of a woman\'s body, will\ncrave it eternally -and not be satisfied. One theologian has put it this way\nand I think it deserves merit. What is hell? Hell is just the kind of\nenvironment that matches the internal condition of the lost. \n\nIn a recent post, I was trying to remember the founder of The Word of Life\nministries. I\'ve remembered his name, Jack Wertzen, and found that the\nillustration that I gave wasn\'t his. His illustration was that he was talking\nto his barber and his barber\'s wife and daughter had just recently been saved\nand he was commenting about it to Jack. "They sing these songs and read Bible\nverses, and their praising this and that -I can\'t stand it! Jack, do you think\nGod would send me to hell?" Jack answered by saying, "Yes I think he would!" \nOf course the barber said, "What do you mean by that." "Well if you can\'t\nstand living at home with your wife and daughter who sing hymns and praises to\nGod now, what would you do in heaven where they\'ll do it for eternity? You\'d\nbe miserable. Because God loves you, He\'d put you where it would match what\nyou really are." It makes a man think.\n\nThe crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a fact that necessitates the eternal\nexistence of hell because on the cross He performed an eternal act. Don\'t ask\nme how, I don\'t know. But He is God and He is the infinite/eternal and when He\ndied, He died an infinite/eternal death. It is by that eternal act that He\npurchased eternal life for the "whosoever wills." He suffered eternal\njudgment. \n\nA lot of people would like to detour around hell by saying "Everybody is going\nto be saved eventually." -universalism. My Bible says no, He\'ll separate\nthem. The sheep from the goats. ".After you die there\'s a probationary period\nin which God prepares you for heaven." No, my Bible says that "It is appointed\nunto men once to die and then comes judgment." Some of the cultist believe in\nannihilation. After you die, sssswish. Just like a mosquito you\'re squished\nout. No, in Rev we are told that their is eternal existence in hell just as\nthere is in heaven. \n\nI don\'t enjoy making these kind of statements and maybe you don\'t enjoy\nlistening to them, but we have to preach the entire Word of God. -There is a\nplace called hell. If I could give one verse of Scripture that could give any\nhope that people aren\'t going there, I\'d give it to you, but I haven\'t found\nit. That fact that there is a place called hell, the fact that our God is a\nGod of holiness and must judge sin, the fact that He has made us the kind of\ncreatures we are and therefore we\'re responsible, the fact that He has placed\nus in a "uni"verse that has purpose and design behind it, the fact that sin is\nsuch an awful thing and the fact that God Himself went through hell to save us\nfrom hell leads us to two applications.\n\n1) As I\'ve already mentioned. If you are a Christian, you must worn others. \nIts not good enough to stop and fix their flat tire and not tell them that just\naround the bend the bridge is out. "Knowing therefore the terror of Lord, we\npersuade men."\n\n2) If you haven\'t accepted Jesus are your Savior, you\'re taking an awful\nchance. As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if\nyou are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die\nand cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and\nsuffer eternal damnation. I don\'t mean to make fun at this point, but its like\nDirty Harry said, "You\'ve got to ask yourself, \'Do I feel lucky?\' Well do\nyou?" "A man\'s got to know his limitations." Don\'t be one of the "whosoever\nwont\'s." \n\n"Because while I was yet a sinner, He died for me."\n"There\'s no greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for another."\n--Rex\n \n',
'Subject: Re: "lds" Rick\'s reply\nFrom: <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET>\nOrganization: Brigham Young University\nLines: 159\n\n\nRobert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) writes:\n\n#Rick Anderson replied to my letter with...\n#\n#ra> In article <C5ELp2.L0C@acsu.buffalo.edu>,\n#ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says:\n#ra>\n\n(...)\n\n# Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to\n# differing interpretations of "create," and say that many Christians may\n# not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith\n# on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is\n# truth, regardless of popularity of opinions.\n\nIt may be "irrelevant" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say\n"bias"?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You\'re right, "the\nbottom line IS truth," independant from you or anyone else. Since you\nproclaim "truths" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what\nauthority you do this? Because "it says so in the Bible?" --Does the\nBible "say so," or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a\nscripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or "disapproval"?\n\nExcuse moi, but your line of "truths" haven\'t moved me one bit to persuade\nme that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the "preachers" of "truth" on\nthis net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking\ncrew, with no positive message to me or any other Latter-day Saint...\nBTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus\nto the pharisees: "ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips,\nbut your hearts are far removed from me..."\n\n# Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created\n# and eternally existent are equivalent, you say "granted the Mormon\n# belief..." You can\'t grant your conclusion and then expect the point to\n# have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address\n# and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the\n# conclusion that you grant.\n\nSophistry. Look who\'s talking: "jumping to conclusions?" You wouldn\'t do\nthat yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless\nwhether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points\nof view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration\nwhatsoever.\n\n#\n# The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus\n# is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS\n# belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same.\n\nA beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation\nof lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you.\nJesus and lucifer are not "the same," silly, and you know it.\n\n(...)\n\n# The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is\n# nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible\n# says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God:\n\nCorrection: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible\nindeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they\n"belong to" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have\nrebelled against God, and are not "children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"\nbut it doesn\'t mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to\nseparate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of\nsalvation.\n\n#\n# The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the\n# kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked "one";\n# (Matthew 13:38)\n\nSo? --This illustrates nicely what I just said: the children of the\nkingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus\n(and have shown "works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the\nwicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue\nof satan\'s spirit-origin (and of those who followed him) has not been\naddressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You\npurposefully obscured the subject by swamping your "right" with non-\nrelated scriptures.\n\n(...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...)\n\n#ra> > We are told that, "And this is life eternal, that they might know\n#ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."\n#ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the\n#ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly\n#ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of\n#ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim\n\nCorrection: "my" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be\nreconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him,\nI concur, but I honestly couldn\'t care less.\n\n#ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the\n#ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and\n#ra> > not the construct of imagination.\n\nIn this single posting of yours, I\'ve seen more "constructs of imagination"\nthan in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news\ngroup. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us\nabout "the only true God," whom you interpret according to your own likes\nand dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about\nHim myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other\nfaiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different\nway or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission\nand progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob\nor opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited\nevery continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear.\n\n# This is really a red herring. It doesn\'t address any issue raised, but\n# rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read\n# something into the Bible, doesn\'t change what the Bible teaches.\n\nSigh. "What the Bible teaches"? Or: "what the bible teaches according to\nRobert Weiss and co.?" I respect the former, I reject the latter without\nthe remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by\nthe way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you\nbeing a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a\nChristian (following my own image of Him in my heart).\n\n(...)\n\n# Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of\n# Bruce McConkie and whether his views were \'official doctrine.\' I don\'t\n# think that it matters if McConkie\'s views were canon. That is not the\n# issue. Were McConkie\'s writings indicative of Mormon belief on this\n# subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may\n# certainly be.\n\nThe issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis-\nrepresent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of "official doctrine"\nis obviously very important. McConkie\'s views have been controversial\n(e.g. "The Seven Deadly Heresies" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best,\nor erroneous at worst ("blacks not to receive the priesthood in this\ndispensation"). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable\ncontribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal\ninterpretations (his book "Mormon Doctrine" is oftentimes referred to\nas "McConkie\'s Bible" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather\nlook to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley\'s books!\n(The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie\nwas a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of\nGod than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted\ndoctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and\nspeculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most\nbiased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the\ntrash coming from your proverbial pen. I\'m somewhat appalled that I have\nallowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting...\n\n=============================\nRobert Weiss\npsyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\nCasper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet\nBrigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu\nUCS Computer Facilities\n',
'From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: Not all deals are bad...\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 30\n\nFellow netters,\n\nI just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out\nthere (even outside of Iowa). I\'m sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting\nspace, but I thought you might want some relief from the "So-and-so is a thief"\nposts. Not that I think we shouldn\'t hear about the bad deals, but it would be\nnice to hear some good news once in a while.\n\nAfter seeing his post on one of the for sale groups, I mailed Mr. Mark Miller a\nrequest for his copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. He suggested a price of $50\nin his ad, but when I phoned him, he quoted $40 plus shipping. That sounded\nmore than fair to me, so I told him that I would send him a check the next day. \nImagine my surprise when I logged into my account the following day and found a\nmessage from him saying that it had already been sold (after I had just mailed\nthe money order). After another E-Mail message to him, he apologized and\nassured me that it was a mistake - I was the one who he was holding it for. He\nsent the package as soon as he got the money, along with a letter stating a\ntransfer of license. This wasn\'t good enough for WordPerfect, so I asked him\nto fill out one of their forms. No problem - we thought. It took three times\nto get it to the right address (my fault). Anyway, he mailed me the form for\nmy signature and included a Workbook that I had no idea was included in the\ndeal. Again, he apologized for not sending it before. I now have the world\'s\nbest word processor and a renewed hope in the world that there are a few good\nones left. I recoend that if you ever see that Mark is selling anything thatat\nyou may want, give him a call. If I had the choice, I would purchase all of my\nsoftware from him.\n\nBravo, Mr. Miller!\n\n- Kevin Harter\n',
'From: carsona@fraser.sfu.ca (Debra Carson)\nSubject: (Q) buying Advice\nKeywords: Ziffnet/mac buy advice stack\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 22\n\nDoes anyone have a version of "Which Mac Do I Buy?"\nthat is later than v 1.3.1?\n\nI no longer have access the ZiffNet/Mac, accessed\nthrough CompuServe, to check for myself.\n\n"Which Mac..." is a HyperCard stack that assists\nin decision making based on budget, features, and\nmain software used.\n\nPlease let me know if you can help me out. Download\nfrom CompuServe should not cost much if a higher speed\nmodem is used. Stack, compressed, is about 125KB?\n\nThanks for any help...\n\nDale \ncarsona@sfu.ca\n\n.\n\n\n',
"From: so@eiffel.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So)\nSubject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation\nNntp-Posting-Host: eiffel.cs.psu.edu\nOrganization: Penn State Computer Science\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <897@pivot.sbi.com> bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) writes:\n>This came up because I decided to configure up MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 security\n>for X11R5. For this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder\n>can't guess in a file (readable only by you) which X client applications\n>read. They pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a\n>connection.\n>\n>...\n>What I settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network.\n>Basically, I ran\n>\n>\tetherfind -u -x greater 0|compress\n>\n>and skipped over 10K of output, then grabbed my bits. As best I can tell,\n>these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed,\n>and quite unguessable by an intruder.\n\nFor your application, what you can do is to encrypt the real-time clock\nvalue with a secret key.\n",
'From: brand@s1.gov (Hal R. Brand)\nSubject: Request For Input: MultiSpin CD-ROM Drives\nOrganization: LLNL\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: brand@s1.gov (Hal R. Brand)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: s1.gov\nKeywords: CD-ROM\n\n\nI\'m looking into getting an external, reasonably fast (<350 ms avg access time)\nMultispin CD-ROM drive that supports "Photo CD Multi Session", has audio\noutput, and SCSI interface for connection to the PAS16 SCSI port. Does anyone\nhave any comments/experiences/warnings/recommendations they\'d like to share\nconcerning the Texel DM-5024 and/or Toshiba TXM-3401E and/or others. THANKS!\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tHal R. Brand\n\t\t\t\t\t\tbrand@s1.gov\n',
"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)\nSubject: MLB Standings and Scores for Sat., Apr. 17th, 1993\nOrganization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.)\nLines: 73\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu\nKeywords: mlb, 04.17\n\n\n\t MLB Standings and Scores for Satruday, April 17th, 1993\n\t (including yesterday's games)\n\nNATIONAL WEST\t Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road\nSan Francisco Giants 07 04 .636 -- 6-4 Won 2 04-01 03-03\nHouston Astros 06 04 .600 0.5 6-4 Won 1 01-03 05-01\nAtlanta Braves 06 06 .500 1.5 5-5 Lost 3 04-03 03-02\nLos Angeles Dodgers 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Won 1 01-03 03-04\nColorado Rockies 03 06 .333 3.0 3-6 Lost 1 03-03 00-03\nSan Diego Padres 03 07 .300 3.5 3-7 Won 1 01-04 02-03\nCincinnati Reds 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 4 01-03 01-05\n\nNATIONAL EAST\nPhiladelphia Phillies 08 02 .800 -- 8-2 Lost 1 05-01 03-01\nPittsburgh Pirates 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 03-02 04-01\nSt. Louis Cardinals 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 04-02 03-01\nNew York Mets 05 04 .556 2.5 5-4 Won 1 02-03 03-01\nChicago Cubs 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03\nMontreal Expos 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03\nFlorida Marlins 03 07 .300 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 01-03\n\n\nAMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road\nTexas Rangers 06 03 .667 -- 6-3 Lost 2 04-02 02-01\nCalifornia Angels 05 03 .625 0.5 5-3 Lost 1 03-02 02-01\nChicago White Sox 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 2 02-03 03-01\nMinnesota Twins 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 1 02-02 03-02\nOakland Athletics 04 04 .500 1.5 4-4 Lost 2 04-02 00-02\nSeattle Mariners 04 05 .444 2.0 4-5 Lost 2 03-02 01-03\nKansas City Royals 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 1 01-05 01-03\n\nAMERICAN EAST\nBoston Red Sox 07 03 .700 -- 7-3 Lost 1 03-01 04-02\nNew York Yankees 06 04 .600 1.0 6-4 Won 1 03-01 03-03\nDetroit Tigers 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Won 3 03-00 02-04\nToronto Blue Jays 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Lost 1 04-02 01-02\nCleveland Indians 04 06 .400 3.0 4-6 Won 1 03-01 01-05\nBaltimore Orioles 03 06 .333 3.5 3-6 Won 2 01-02 02-04\nMilwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03\n\n\n\t\t\t YESTERDAY'S SCORES\n (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order)\n\nNATIONAL LEAGUE\t\t\t\tAMERICAN LEAGUE\n\nNew York Mets\t\t3\t\tChicago White Sox\t9\nCincinnati Reds\t\t1\t\tBoston Red Sox\t\t4\n\nFlorida Marlins\t\t3\t\tCalifornia Angels\t1\nHouston Astros\t\t9\t\tBaltimore Orioles\t4\n\nPhiladelphia Phillies\t1\t\tKansas City Royals\t3\nChicago Cubs\t\t3\t\tMinnesota Twins\t\t4 (10)\n\nColorado Rockies\t2\t\tSeattle Mariners\t0\nMontreal Expos\t\t3\t\tDetroit Tigers\t\t5\n\nPittsburgh Pirates\t4\t\tToronto Blue Jays\t1\nLos Angeles Dodgers\t7\t\tCleveland Indians 13\n\nAtlanta Braves\t\t0\t\tTexas Rangers\t\t3\nSan Francisco Giants\t1\t\tNew York Yankees\t5\n\nSt. Louis Cardinals\t1\t\tOakland Athletics PPD\nSan Diego Padres\t5\t\tMilwaukee Brewers RAIN\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJoseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS\njtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS\njtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Flashing anyone?\nKeywords: flashing\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:\n>Hello all,\n>\n>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals\n>flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of\n>tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I\n>switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will\n>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.\n>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making\n>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the\n>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.\n>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and\n>usually go to another booth.\n>\n>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?\n\n\tThis sounds like a VERY good thing to do.\n\n>Any others tend to do the same?\n\n\tI will now, whenever I don't have my handy-dandy automatic coin\nfetcher/toll payer (Annette :-) with me.\n\n\tThanks for the tip.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n",
"From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan)\nSubject: Re: warranty extension by credit company: applies to the phurchase of computer?\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <C51Cv1.MLL@cup.hp.com>, staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:\n|> HUAYONG YANG (yang@titan.ucs.umass.edu) wrote:\n|> : Most, if not all, credit card companies offer to double the warranty up\n|> : to one year, namely, if you make a purchase by a credit card, you get\n|> : additional warranty up to one year. Does it apply to the purchase of\n|> : computers? I wonder if anyone out there has used it. Is there any catch?\n|> : Thanks in advance.\n|> \n|> I am just about to post the results of my big computer purchase. One\n|> of the key points was the ability to use my American Express card. I \n|> read the fine print between double warranty policies of Amex and Citibank\n|> VISA. Sure, both will allow you double warranty on computers, but Citibank\n|> has a maximum claim of $250.00. Could you imagine trying to get your\n|> monitor or mother board fixed for $250.00? Amex has NO limit on claims.\n|> \n|> Remember, if you use Amex, you must either send a copy of the warranty info\n|> to them in 30 days from purchase, or you must call them to pre-register and\n|> then send them the paperwork within 90 days of purchase (my pre-register\n|> pak arrived today). Citibank VISA requires no pre-registration.\n|> \n|> --Ken\n|> \n\nI just talked to a rep for my AT&T mastercard regarding this: There is no\nmaximum claim, and you only have to notify them of the warranty when the \nitem needs repair. If it can't be repaired, you get the amount you paid\nfor it.\nCuriously though, the AT&T Gold mastercard has a limit of $1000 on claims.\nDefinitely not upgrading to that card...:)\n\n-Bryan\n\n-- \nBryan Welch Amateur Radio: N0SFG\nInternet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu \nEverything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb\n",
'From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)\nSubject: 1985.5 Porsche 944\nKeywords: porsche 944\nLines: 69\nNntp-Posting-Host: delaware\nReply-To: pat@wrs.com\nOrganization: Wind River Systems\nDistribution: usa\n\n\n1985.5 Porsche 944\n\n - Turbo trim (spoilers)\n - graphite black\n - all around excellent condition\n - removable factory sunroof\n - leather interior\n - new A/C\n - new timing belt\n - bra\n - 90k miles\n\n$9900 OBO\n\n- Patrick\n\n-- \n Patrick Boylan, - Wind River Systems, Alameda, CA - pat@wrs.com\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: High Prolactin\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <93088.112203JER4@psuvm.psu.edu> JER4@psuvm.psu.edu (John E. Rodway) writes:\n>Any comments on the use of the drug Parlodel for high prolactin in the blood?\n>\n\nIt can suppress secretion of prolactin. Is useful in cases of galactorrhea.\nSome adenomas of the pituitary secret too much.\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)\nSubject: Re: pushing the envelope\nOrganization: University of Central Florida\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\n> In <1993Apr3.233154.7045@Princeton.EDU> lije@cognito.Princeton.EDU (Elijah \nMillgram) writes:\n> \n> \n> A friend of mine and I were wondering where the expression "pushing\n> the envelope" comes from. Anyone out there know?\n> \nEverbody has been defining envelope.\nWhy was the world "envelope" chosen, rather than say "shell", \nor "boundary". In analogy with the envelopes of airships perhaps?\n\nActually, "shell" might be good. Push the shell too hard and\nit (the aircraft?) breaks. \n--\nThomas Clarke\nInstitute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL\n12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826\n(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu\n',
'From: dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman)\nSubject: arcade style buttons and joysticks\nOrganization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA\nLines: 8\n\nHi there,\nCan anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found\non most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would\nbe greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance.\n\n-Dave\ndnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu\n\n',
'From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter)\nArticle-I.D.: optilink.15229\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.185448.13811@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:\n> In article <kmitchelC4wA87.HLz@netcom.com> kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes:\n# #Slavery makes economic sense (it NEVER makes MORAL sense) when human\n# #muscle power is an economically valuable asset. Agricultural slavery might\n# #have lasted right up to the first mechanical cotton reaper, but no\n# #further; reapers are cheaper than slaves, and don\'t have to be fed during\n# #the winter. \n# \n# This argument makes a several fundamental errors. First "agricultural"\n# slavery was not limited to production of cotton. In the American south\n# slave labor was used extensively to grow tobacco, sugar, and rice, all\n# of which remained labor intensive enterprises well into the 20th century.\n\nAnd of course, in states like Kentucky and Virginia, not well-suited to\nlarge-scale plantations, slave labor was used to make one of the most \nvaluable agricultural products of all: more slaves. In some ways, this\ntreatment of humans beings as breeding livestock is the most horrifying\naspect of American slavery.\n\n# Second, although mechanization of cotton production could be expected to\n# reduce the demands for labor eventually, it was only in the 1940\'s \n# the mechanization of cotton production in the South largely eliminated\n# the labor intensive character of the operation, long after the "first\n# mechanical cotton reaper" was invented.\n\nThis is an interesting question. Steinbeck\'s _Grapes of Wrath_\n(published in the 1930s), uses agricultural mechanization of cotton\nproduction in Arkansas as the cause of the Joad family being evicted\nfrom the land. How many years were involved in the mechanization of\ncotton farming? When did this first appear?\n\n# #Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the\n# Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM \n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n',
"From: edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu (E.B.)\nSubject: POV problems with tga outputs\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu\n\nI can't fiqure this out. I have properly compiled pov on a unix machine\nrunning SunOS 4.1.3 The problem is that when I run the sample .pov files and\nuse the EXACT same parameters when compiling different .tga outputs. Some\nof the .tga's are okay, and other's are unrecognizable by any software.\n\nHelp!\ned\nedb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu\n\n",
'From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)\nSubject: Re: The Slaughter\nOrganization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO\nLines: 16\n\n [followups to talk.politics.guns]\n\nrl> Russell Lawrence\nkr> Karl Rominger\n\nkr> I support the right of any citizen with out a criminal history to own and\n use firearms, regardless of race, gender, and RELIGION.\n\nrl> Thanks for admitting that you, yourself, adhere to an illogical dogma.\n\n Well, folks in t.p.guns, want to show how Russell\'s "illogical dogma" is\n wrong?\n\n--\nGary Strand Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are\nstrandwg@ncar.ucar.edu not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF\n',
"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)\nSubject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800\nArticle-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.215836.27428\nOrganization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <D2150026.u982nu@bostrauma.trauma.com> ennui@trauma.com (N is for Neville who died of ennui) writes:\n>Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800\n>using interanl video? Is this even possible? I suspect that it isn't although\n>I'd certainly like to know for sure.\n\nOf course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is\na correctly wired video cable.\n\nGary\n\n-- \n-----\nGary Snow\nuunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu\n",
'From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)\nSubject: Commercial mining activities on the moon\nOrganization: University of Rochester\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:\n\n > be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no\n > materials we can\'t get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids\n > and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low\n > grade fusion reactors.\n\nI don\'t know what a "low grade" fusion reactor is, but the major\nproblem with 3He (aside from the difficulty in making any fusion\nreactor work) is that its concentration in lunar regolith is just so\nsmall -- on the order of 5 ppb or so, on average (more in some\nfractions, but still very small). Massive amounts of regolith would\nhave to be processed.\n\nThis thread reminds me of Wingo\'s claims some time ago about the moon\nas a source of titanium for use on earth. As I recall, Wingo wasn\'t\ncontent with being assured that titanium (at .5% in the Earth\'s crust,\naverage) would not run out, and touted lunar mines, even though the\nmarket price of ilmenite concentrate these days is around $.06/pound.\nThis prompted me to look up large potential terrestrial sources.\n\nOn the moon, titanium occurs in basalts; "high-Ti" basalts (Apollo 11\nand 17) have 8-14% titanium dioxide (by weight). This is nice, but...\nterrestrial continental flood basalts are also typically enriched in\ntitanium. They very often have 3% TiO2, frequently have 4%, and\nsometimes even 5% TiO2 (again, by weight). These flood basalts are\n*enormous* -- millions of cubic kilometers, scattered all over the\nworld (Siberia, Brazil, the NW United States, Ethiopia, etc.). If\neven 1% of the basalts are 5% TiO2, this is trillions of tons of TiO2\nat concentrations only a factor of 2-3 less than in lunar high-Ti\nbasalts. It is difficult to see how the disadvantages of the moon\ncould be overcome by such a small increase the concentration of the\nore (never mind the richer, but less common, terrestrial ores being\nmined today).\n\n\tPaul F. Dietz\n\tdietz@cs.rochester.edu\n\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Eugenics\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 15\n\nProbably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible.\nMaybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will\nthen start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic\nengineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want.\nNo breeding, no "hybrids", etc. The ethical question is, should\nwe do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived,\nArnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can.\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Farley)\nSubject: Re: Photoshop for Windows\nReply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <1r85m2$k66@agate.berkeley.edu> aron@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Aron Bonar) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.011720.28958@midway.uchicago.edu>, dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (David Farley) writes:\n>|> In article <C5uHIM.JFq@rot.qc.ca> beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) writes:\n>|> >\n>|> >\n>|> >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop\n>|> >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there\n>|> >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs "fine-tuning)?\n>|> >\n>|> >Any comments would be greatly appreciated..\n>|> >\n>|> >Thank you.\n>|> >\n>|> >Andre Boisvert\n>|> >beaver@rot.qc.ca\n>|> >\n>|> An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info\n>|> World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower\n>|> than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler\n>|> and PhotoShop for Windows. David\n>|> \n>\n>I don\'t know about that...I\'ve used Photoshop 2.5 on both a 486dx-50 and a Quadra\n>950...I\'d say they are roughly equal. If anything the 486 was faster.\n>\n>Both systems were running in 24 bit color and had the same amount of RAM (16 megs)\n>I also believe the quadra had one of those photoshop accelerators.\n\nI went back and looked at the review again. They claim there were\nsignificant differences in manipulating a 27 meg test file, but with\nsmaller files, the two platforms were the about the same. David\n\n-- \nDavid Farley The University of Chicago Library\n312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210\ndgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637\n\n',
"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 10\n\npetere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) writes:\n\n>According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple\n>Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only\n>the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.\n\n You're correct, except that's Quadra 800 not Centris 800.\n\n-Hades\n\n",
'From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)\nSubject: Re: Observation re: helmets\nNntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>,\nmaven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:\n|> \n|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to\n|> rock \n|> it onto it\'s centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...\n|> \n|> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor\'s model paint and \n|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.\n|> \n|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don\'t know\n|> for \n|> certain who\'s gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....\n|> church \n|> meeting, yeah, that\'s the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should\n|> I just \n|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or\n|> should I \n|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my\n|> likely \n|> passenger? \n\n My rule of thumb is "Don\'t give rides to people that wear\na bigger helmet than you", unless your taste runs that way,\nor they are family.friends.\nGee, reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river \nfrom Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a\nbought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything \nelse she wanted ;->\n-- \n##########################################################\nThere are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES \n and TARGETS !!!\n#1/XS1100LH\tDoD #956 #2 Next raise\nRichard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063\nInternet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist \n#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!\nI Don\'t shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo\nin the same store.\n\n',
'From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nOrganization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute\nLines: 22\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu\n\nIn <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n[deleted]\n>The University cops here (who are\n>are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most\n>state cops are. I don\'t know where you are originally from David but you live\n>in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news\n>and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here\n>than there.\n\nWhich crap, the ridiculous assertions that Uzis are mowing down cops\nright and left? The assertions that dialing 911 should be the proper\nand only option available to the law-abiding citizens?\n\nA factoid:\n\n56 cops were killed in the whole country last year. This is down from\naround 100 in the early \'80s. Wow, a real explosion in cop killings\nthere eh? :-)\n\n-- \n"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."\n\t-BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.\n',
'From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Though his book was dealing with the Genocide of Muslims by Armenians..\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <C5y86J.6Hs@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:\n\n>Then repeat everything I said before with the word "race-related" \n>substituted for "racist". All that changes is the phrasing; complaining \n>that I used the wrong word is a quibble.\n\nWell, your Armenian grandparents were fascist. As early as 1934, K. S. \nPapazian asserted in \'Patriotism Perverted\' that the Armenians\n\n \'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.\'[1]\n\nAt that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would\nactively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World\nWar II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish\npopulation of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological\ntendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before\nthe outbreak of the Second World War.\n\nIn 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the \'Tzeghagrons\' was quoted\nin the \'Hairenik Weekly:\' \n\n"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall \n see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations\n and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to\n the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are\n strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.\n On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is\n bereft of social sanctities."[2]\n\n[1] K. S. Papazian, \'Patriotism Perverted,\' (Boston, Baikar Press\n 1934), Preface.\n[2] \'Hairenik Weekly,\' Friday, April 10, 1936, \'The Race is our\n Refuge\' by O. Zarmooni.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n \'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n and then proceeded in the work of extermination.\'\n (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n \'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n a single Turkish soul.\' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n',
"From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk)\nSubject: Re: high speed rail is bad\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 14\nDistribution: tx\nNNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.150740.6221@iqsc.COM> rex@iqsc.COM (Rex Black) writes:\n>rail in Texas. Being from California, I have come to the conclusion \n>that one has two choices for preventing economic strangulation through\n>traffic: High speed rail or growth limits.\n>\n>Rex\n\nGrowth limits? How will HSR help with the traffic congestion? From what\nI understand, the rail will not stop in places like Waco, or Bryan, or\nlots of intermediate places in between. Even though I live in Austin,\nI don't see myself using the train except on rare occasions. probably\ntwice a year. And at $65 dollars a ticket I could probably drive for \ncheaper also. (even if the price of gas went up)\n\n",
'From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems\nKeywords: philosphy, Greece, Persians, math \nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 366\n\n\nFrom: _Quantum_ Magazine, March/April 1993 pages 42-46\n\n\tThe Problem Book of Anania of Shirak\n\t------------------------------------\n\n\t\t"On the ancient peak of Ararat\n\t\tThe centuries have come like seconds\n\t\tAnd passed on."\n\t\t\t\t-Avetik Issahakian\n\nby Yuri Danilov\n\nSome years ago Journalists interviewing celebrities liked to ask them: "What\nbooks would you take with you if you were to go off on a space flight?" And \nthough the number of books allowed on the trip varied from 10 to 30, \ndepending on the type of spacecraft and the generosity of the interviewer, \nand celebrities are people of the most varied tastes, ages, and professions, \nnot one of them dared to say that he or she would want to take with them at\nleast one book of arithmetic problems.\n\nSome of these people certainly excluded this kind of literature because they \nwere trained in the humanities and had nothing but scorn for "numbers" (though \nsecretly afraid of them). Others steered clear of such puzzle books because \nthey were masters of incomparably more difficult branches of modern \nmathematics and didn\'t mind saying for all the world to hear that they didn\'t \nknow how to solve mere arithmetic problems. Professional mathematicians were \nno exception. Here\'s what the Russian mathematician Alexander Khinchin, a \nspecialist in statistics, wrote about arithmetic: "I willingly confess that \nany time a fifth-grader asked me to help solve an arithmetic problem, it was\na hard work for me, and sometimes I failed completely. Of course, like most of \nmy friends, I could easily solve the problem by the natural algebraic route\n--constructing equations or sets of equations. But we were supposed to avoid \nusing algebraic analysis at all costs! . . . By the way, it\'s a fact that is \nwell known and oft repeated that, as a rule, neither high school graduates, \nnor students at teaching colleges, nor teachers beginning their careers\n(nor, I must add, scientific researchers) can solve arithmetic problems. It \nseems the only people in the world who are able to solve them are fifth-grade \nteachers."\n\nNow, I\'m not insisting that a book of arithmetic problems be included in the \nbookbag of anyone flying into space. But a sense of justice induces me to \nrecommend one particular problem book, one that will satisfy the most \nfastidious taste and supply food for thought sufficient not only for a \nrelatively short flight to the Moon but for a extended space voyage--say, to\nVenus and back.\n\n\t\t\tOne for the "road"\n\n\tThey both took out the books they brought for the road. Kingsley \n\tglanced at the Royal Astronomer\'s book and saw a bright cover with \n\ta group of cutthroats shooting at each other with revolvers. "God \n\tknows what this kind of stuff leads to," thought Kingsley.\n\n\tThe Royal Astronomer looked at Kingsley\'s book and saw the History \n\tof Herodotus. "Good Lord, next he\'ll be reading Thucydides," thought \n\tthe Royal Astronomer.\n\t\t\t\t\t--Fred Hoyle, The Black Cloud\n\nThe book I\'m talking about isn\'t very big, but its 24 problems constitute 24 \nelegant miniatures from seventh-century Armenia. Naive and wise at the same\ntime, rich in striking detail and the bright coloration of the period, these \nproblems are reminiscent of the reliefs on the famous monument of Armenian \narchitecture, the church on the island of Akhtamar in Lake Van (in what is \nnow Turkey_. They are as inseparable from the image of Armenia as the elegant \nletters of the Armenian alphabet, invented by Mesrop Mashtots, or the songs of \nKomitas, or the paintings of Saryan.\n\nAn edition of these incredibly beautiful problems has long been a \nbibliographic rarity. It was published under the title Problems and Solutions\nof Vardapet [1] Anania of Shirak, Armenian Mathematician of the Seventh \nCentury (translated and published by I. A. Orbeli, Petrograd, 1918).\n\nThe abundance of close observations and wide-ranging information about the way \nof life and customs of that remote epoch when Anania of Shirak lived and \nworked have actually rendered a disservice to his problem book. For many years \nthe book was known only to researchers in the humanities--specialists in \nArmenian history who jealously guarded their treasure and wouldn\'t let just\nanyone see it. Even now, after research by K. P. Patkanov, the learned monk \nFather Kaloust, J.I. Orbeli, A. Abramyan, V. K. Chaloyan, and others has \nbrought the works of Anania of Shirak to light in scholarly circles, the \ngeneral reader remains ignorant of the very existence of this remarkable \nproblem book.\n\n\t\tVardapet Anania of Shirak\n\n\tOnce fell in love with the art of calculation, I thought that no \n\tphilosophical notion can be constructed without number, considering \n\tit the mother of all wisdom.\n\t\t\t\t\t--Anania of Shirak\n\nAmong ancient Armenian thinkers, Vardapet Anania of Shirak stands out because \nof the breadth of his interests and the unique mathematical orientation of his \nwork. Some of his works have been preserved. In addition to the Problems and\nSolutions, the following tracts have found a special place in the estimation\nof scholars: On Weights and Measures, Cosmography and Calendrical Theory, and\nArmenian Geography of the Seventh Century A.D. (the authorship of the last\nwork was long attributed to another outstanding thinker of ancient Armenia, \nMovses of Khoren).\n\nIn his autobiography, Anania of Shirak has this to say about himself:\n\n\tI, Anania of Shirak, having studied all the science of our\n\tArmenian land and having learned the Holy Scripture intimately, \n\tin the expression of the psalmist, "every day I illuminated the \n\teyes of my mind." Feeling myself lacking in the art of calculation,\n\tI came to the conclusion that it is fruitless to study philosophy, \n\tthe mother of all sciences, without number. I could find in Armenia \n\tneither a man versed in philosophy nor books that explained the \n\tsciences. I therefore went to Greece and met in Theodosiople a man \n\tnamed Iliazar who was well versed in ecclesiastical works. He told me\n\tthat in Forth Armenia [2] there lived a famous mathematician,\n\tChristosatur. I went this person and spent six months with him. But \n soon I noticed that Christosatur was a master not of all science but \n only of certain fragmentary facts.\n\n\tI then went to Constantinople, where I met acquaintances who told me: \n\t"Why did you go so far, when much closer to us, in Trebizon, on the \n\tcoast of Pontus [3] lives the Byzantine vardapet Tyukhik. He is full \n\tof wisdom, is known to kings, and knows Armenian literature." I asked \n\tthem how they knew this. They answered: "We saw ourselves that many \n\tpeople traveled long distances to become pupils of so learned a man. \n\tIndeed the archdeacon of the patriarchate of Constantinople,\n\tPhilagrus, traveled with us, bringing many young persons to become \n\tpupils of Tyukhik." When I heard this, I expressed my gratitude to \n\tGod, who had quenched the thirst of His slave.\n\n\tI went to Tyukhik at the monastery of St. Eugene and explained why I \n\thad come. He received me graciously and said: "I praise Our Lord that \n\tHe sent you to learn and to transplant science in the domain of St. \n\tGregory; I am glad that all your country will learn from me. I myself \n\tlived in Armenia for many years as a youth. Ignorance reigned there." \n\tVardapet Tyukhik loved me as a son and shared all his thoughts with \n\tme. The Lord bestowed upon me His blessing: I completely assimilated \n\tthe science of number, and with such success that my fellow students\n\tat the king\'s court began to envy me.\n\n\tI spent eight years with Tyukhik and studied many books that had not \n\tbeen translated into our language. For the vardapet had an innumerable \n\tcollection of books: secret and explicit, ecclesiastical and pagan, \n\tbooks on art, history, and medicine, books of chronologies. Why \n\tenumerate them by title? In a word, there is no book that Tyukhik did \n\tnot have. And he had such a gift from the Holy Spirit for translating\n\tthat when he sat down to translate something from the Greek into \n\tArmenian, he did not struggle as other translators did, and the \n\ttranslation read as if the work were written in that language \n\toriginally.\n\n\tTyukhik told me how he had achieved such vast erudition and how he had \n\tlearned the Armenian language. "When I was young," he said, "I lived \n\tin Trebizon, at the court of the military chief Ioannus Patricus, and \n\tfor a long time, up to the accession of Mauritius to the throne I \n\tserved as a military man in Armenia and learned your language and \n\tliterature. During one attack by Persian troops on the Greeks, I was \n\twounded and escaped to Antioch. I lost all my possessions. Praying to \n\tthe Lord to heal my wounds, I made a promise: "If You prolong my life, \n\tI shall dedicate it not to accumulating perishable treasures but to \n\tcollecting treasures of knowledge." And the Lord heard my prayers. \n\tAfter I recovered I went to Jerusalem, and from there to Alexandria \n\tand Rome. Upon returning to Constantinople, I met a famous philosopher \n\tfrom Athens and studied with him for many years. After that I returned \n\tto my homeland and began to teach and instruct my people."\n\n\tAfter some years that philosopher died. Not finding a replacement for \n\thim, the king and his courtiers sent for Tyukhik and invited him to \n\tassume the teacher\'s position. Tyukhik, citing the promise he made to \n\tGod not to move far from the city, turned down the offer. But because\n\tof his wide leaning, people came streaming from all countries to study \n\twith him.\n\n\tAnd I, the most insignificant of all Armenians, having learned from \n\thim this powerful science, desired by kings, brought it to our \n\tcountry, supported by no one, obligated only to my own industry, God\'s \n\thelp, and the prayers of the Blessed Educator. And no one thanked me \n\tfor my efforts.\n\n\t\t\t\tProblems and Solutions\n\n\tA half and one sixth and one nine-ninth of all the books were printed\n\ton verge\'; one fifth and one two-hundred-eighty-fifth--on rag paper; \n\tone forty-fifth and one eight-hundred-fifty-fifth--on vellum, and \n\tforty-five inscribed copies--on Dutch paper. And so, find how many \n\tcopies were printed in all.\n\t\t\t\t\t--Imitation of Anania of Shirak\n\nA Latin proverb says habent sua fata libelli ("books have their own fate").\nThe fate of Problems and Solutions by Anania of Shirak is quite amazing. The\nmanuscripts of Anania\'s book were preserved only because, according to \nArmenian historians, "in ancient and medieval Armenia manuscripts were guarded \nfrom invaders, like weapons, and cherished, like one\'s own children." Biding\ntheir time, the manuscripts lay in the Matenadaran, a renowned depository of \nancient manuscripts (now the Mesrop Mashtots Institute of Ancient Manuscripts).\nAnd its hour finally arrived. In 1896 the learned monk Father Kaloust used two \nmanuscripts to publish the problem book, supplementing it with an introduction \nand commentary. In 1918 the book was translated into Russian, edited, \nannotated, and typeset by Iosef Orbeli, a prominent scholar (and later a \nmember of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR).\n\nIn the translator\'s words, the problems of Anania are "amusing, full of life, \nand simple." Orbeli goes on to say: "The subjects of the problems are \ngenerally taken from everyday life. The scene is predominantly his homeland \nShirak and the surrounding countryside, and the dramatis personae, if they are \nnamed, are the local princes--the Kamsarakans, including Nersekh, who was a \ncontemporary of Anania." Like other ancient authors, Anania of Shirak used \nonly "aliquots" -- that is, fractions with a numerator of 1. When it is\nnecessary to write fractions with numerators other than 1, one has to \nrepresent it as a sum of aliquots (see the epigraph above).\n\nLike any true work of art, the problems of Anania suffer terribly in the \nretelling. You have to read the originals (albeit in translation) in their \nfull glory. So let\'s open Anania\'s problem book--a gift from across the ages.\n\nProblems 1 and 8 relate to the Armenian uprising against the Persians in A.D. \n572.\n\nProblem 1\n\nMy father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the \nArmenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary \nheroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. \nThe first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, \npursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third \ntime, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were \nstill alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from \nthis remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the massacre.\n\nProblem 8\n\nDuring the famous Armenian uprising against the Persians, when Zaurak\nKamsarakan killed Suren, one of the Armenian azats[4] sent an envoy to the\nPersian king to report the baleful news. The envoy covered fifty miles in a \nday. Fifteen days later, when he learned of this, Zaurak Kamsarakan sent \nriders in pursuit to bring the envoy back. The riders covered eighty miles in \na day. And so, find how many days it took them to catch the envoy.\n\nProblem 18 mentions vessels made of varying amounts of metal. In the Russian \ntranslation, they are all called "dishes." But in the original Armenian, \naccording to Orbeli\'s note, the dishes in the first and second instances are \ncalled mesur, and in the third instance scutel. Scutel is a common Armenian \nword, but mesur had not been encountered in Armenian literature before \nAnania\'s Problems and Solutions.\n\nProblem 18\n\nThere was a tray in my house. I melted it down and made other vessels from the \nmetal. From one third I made a mesur; from one fourth, another mesur; from\none fifth, two goblets; from one sixth, two scutels; and from two hundred ten \ndrams, I made a bowl. And now, find the weight of the tray.\n\nSeveral of the problems reflect the richness of the Caucasian fauna in \nAnania\'s time -- for instance, problem 7.\n\nProblem 7\n\nOnce I was in Marmet, the capital of the Kamsarakans. Strolling along the bank \nof the river Akhuryan, I saw a school of fish and ordered that a net be cast. \nWe caught a half and a quarter of the school, and all the fishes that slipped\nout of the net ended up in a creel. When I looked in the creel, I found \nforty-five fishes. And now, find how many fishes here were in all.\n\nThe temptation is great to present all 24 problems. But I\'ll restrain myself\nand offer you just one more.\n\nProblem 20 provides some interesting information about the wild animals that \ninhabited Armenia at one time but now extinct for so long that there is no\nmention of them even in zoological reference books. The wild donkey, according \nto the generally accepted view, never roamed the Armenian lands. Yet Anania of \nShirak offers evidence to the contrary .\n\nProblem 20\n\nThe hunting preserve of Nersekh Kamsarakan, ter[5] of Shirak and Asharunik, \nwas at the base of the mountain called Artin. One night great herds of wild\ndonkey entered the preserve. The hunters could not cope with the donkeys and, \nrunning to the village of Talin, told Nersekh about them. When he arrived with\nhis brothers and azats and entered the preserve, they began killing the wild \nbeasts. Half of the animals were caught in traps, one fourth were killed by \narrows. The young, which constituted one twelfth of all the animals, were \ncaught alive, and three hundred sixty wild donkeys were killed by spears. And \nso, find how many beasts there were at the start of this massacre.\n\n\t\t"Set in type by me, Iosef Orbeli"\n\n\tHis biography could not be squeezed into the framework of a \n\tbibliography.\n\t\t\t\t-- K Uzbashyan, Academician\n\t\t\t\t\tIosef Abgarovich Orbeli\n\nAnyone who is lucky enough to hold a copy (1/n of the small printing--n is the \nsolution to the epigraph in the previous section) of the Russian translation \nof Anania of Shirak\'s Problems and Solutions, a thin book with yellowed pages,\nhas probably noticed the variety of the fonts, the elegance of the borders, \nand the high quality of the design, printing, and binding. Such great \nattention to detail is characteristic of works that fulfill a requirement for \na degree in bookmaking. And this problem book was indeed a kind of diploma \nattesting to the professional maturity of the man who created it. An \nadvertisement at the end of the book reads: "This book was typeset in \nDecember 1917 at the printing offices of the Russian Academy of Sciences by \nme, Iosef Orbeli; the text was also proofread, laid out, and decorated with \nborders by me. Various circumstances prevented me from carrying this project \nto the end; the final pages of the book were typeset by M. Strolman."\n\nTypesetting was neither the first nor the only profession of the renowned \norientalist Iosef Orbeli, who later became the director of the Hermitage \nMuseum in Leningrad. He was also a cabinetmaker and a locksmith. Orbeli had \nalready become acquainted with the famous academic printing house Typis \nAcademiae, founded in 1728 and known all over the scientific world for its \nrich collection of fonts and its virtuoso typesetters. In preparing to publish \nthe corpus of ancient inscriptions preserved on the walls of Armenian \nchurches, Orbeli found it necessary to create a new font that would preserve \nthe unique signs and ligatures. This complicated work was done by M. G.\nStrolman. (Unfortunately the entire set of letters was destroyed during the \nblockade of Leningrad in World War II.)\n\nWhen Orbeli came to the printing offices of the Academy of Sciences, times \nwere hard. The only way to publish the newly translated Problems of Anania\nwas for Orbeli to learn typesetting (he had always been attracted to the \nprinter\'s craft). In 1922 Orbeli became the director of printing at the \nAcademy of Sciences. Even after he retired, he remained a tireless champion\nof Russian academic typography.\n\n\t\t\tBack to Earth\n\n\tThis book by definition does not exhaust all the most important \n\tworks in this domain. The editor hopes that those who are guilty \n\tof this incompleteness will read these lines and, stung by shame, \n\twill work up, if not a collection like this, at least a monograph.\n\n\t\t\t--V. Bonch-Bruyevich introduction to the\n\t\t\tRussian translation of Solid-Body\n\t\t\tSymmetry by R. Knox and A. Gold\n\nLet\'s imagine a time when space flight is an everyday thing, and high \nschoolers will spend their breaks as astronauts-in training in the Perelman \ncrater on the far side of the Moon. Maybe one of the space travelers will take \nthis very copy of Quantum, and another, looking over her shoulder, will read \nthis article and say to himself: "This Anania from Shirak seems like a pretty \ninteresting guy. When I get home I\'ll try to find his problems."\n\nGood luck, my young friend! Anania is sure to entertain you. Perhaps by then\nthere will be more than n copies of his timeless Problems and Solutions. And \nwe can hope they will be as lovingly printed as the masterpieces created by \nIosef Orbeli.\n\n[1] Vardapet (or vartabed) means teacher or learned man in Armenian. (The\n Armenian language suffers in English from a dual transliteration scheme.\n Thus, Mesrop is often rendered as "Mesrob", Komitas as "Gomidas," and so \n on).\n\n[2] Fourth Armenia was one of fifteen provinces into which, according to\n Armenian Geography in the Seventh Century A.D., so-called Great Armenia\n was divided.\n\n[3] "Pontus" (or "Pontus Euxinus") was an old name for the Black Sea.\n\n[4] "Azats" were members one of several strata of freemen in ancient Armenia.\n\n[5] "Ter" was the title of the heads of sovereign royal families in ancient \n Armenia.\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can\'t \nP.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" \nCambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 \n',
'From: tva1@gmuvax.gmu.edu\nSubject: Re: David Polie\'s future\nOrganization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.010305.1737@ncsu.edu>, fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu\n(FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) writes:\n> \n>> Bad news for the Patrick division next year. Caps GM David Polie is\n>> reportedly trying to get a front office job with the NHL. I can\'t\n>> believe Polie has not been fired despite 10 years of mediocrity.\n>> \n\n\tYou know what Frank? It\'s not David Poile\'s fault that the Caps\nhave mired in mediocrity for so long. Blame it on the owner, Abe Polin!\nThis guy owns both the NBA\'s Bullets and the NHL\'s Capitals. How dumb\nand selfish could this guy be? He\'s unwilling to spend the bucks in \norder to get a big star to Landover...no wonder both teams STINK!\n\n\tI\'ve heard that the Capitals had a chance to get Detroit\'s\nSteve Yzerman last summer but they pulled out at the last minute. Why?\nBecause our good man, Abe, is afraid to spend the cash!\n\n\tNevertheless, I\'m still faithful and hoping that one day\nthis devilish dictator will be replaced.\n\n>> Frank Salvatore\n>> fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu\n\n Tuan A. Van\n "Does it matter where you buy your underwear ?!" --> Tom Cruise, RAIN MAN\n =========================================================================\n | T. A. Van -- a.k.a. ARCHMAGE | Q: What\'s orange, black, and ugly |\n | George Mason University | and dwells in the basement ? |\n | Electrical Engineering \'93 | A: da Philadelphia FLYERS! |\n | TVA1@gmuvax.gmu.edu\t | \t\t\t |\n | TVA1@mason1.gmu.edu\t | \t ** Let\'s go CAP-I-TALS! ** |\n =========================================================================\n',
'From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson)\nSubject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism\nOrganization: Association Against Having Fun With Your Clothes On\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n[...]\n>One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving\n>God a form. God does not have a "face".\n\nWait a minute. I thought you said that Allah (I presume Allah == God) was unknowable,\nand yet here you are claiming to know a very concrete fact about him.\n\nYou say that God does not have a "face". Doesn\'t the bible say that God has hindparts?\n\nHow do you suggest I decide which (if any) of you is right? Or are you both right?\nGod has hindparts but no face? Or does your use of quotation marks:\n\n\tGod does not have a "face".\n\nallow you to interpret this to mean whatever you like?\n\n>\n>Peace,\n>\n>Bobby Mozumder\n\n-Norman\n',
"From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket)\nSubject: NHL Final point standings\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nDistribution: rec.sport.hockey\nLines: 694\n\n\n Individual leaders by total points (Final standings)\n NOTE: Games played and points per games not accurate !!\n\n Player Team GP G A Pts ppg Prj PIM +/-\n\n M.Lemieux PIT 59 69 91 160 2.71 160 38 53\n LaFontaine BUF 82 53 95 148 1.80 148 63 13\n Oates BOS 83 45 97 142 1.71 142 32 12\n Yzerman DET 83 58 79 137 1.65 137 44 33\n Turgeon NYI 80 58 74 132 1.65 132 26 -2\n Selanne WIN 82 76 56 132 1.61 132 45 6\n Mogilny BUF 75 76 51 127 1.69 127 40 9\n Gilmour TOR 81 32 95 127 1.57 127 96 32\n Robitaille LA 82 63 62 125 1.52 127 100 16\n Recchi PHI 81 53 70 123 1.52 123 95 -2\n Sundin QUE 79 47 67 114 1.44 114 96 19\n Stevens PIT 71 55 57 112 1.58 112 169 16\n Bure VAN 82 60 50 110 1.34 110 67 37\n Tocchet PIT 79 48 61 109 1.38 109 240 28\n Roenick CHI 82 50 57 107 1.30 107 82 15\n Janney STL 82 24 82 106 1.29 106 12 1\n Sakic QUE 77 48 57 105 1.36 105 40 -4\n Juneau BOS 83 32 70 102 1.23 102 33 21\n Hull STL 78 54 47 101 1.29 101 41 -21\n Andreychuk TOR 81 55 45 100 1.23 100 56 4\n Fleury CAL 82 34 66 100 1.22 100 88 15\n Francis PIT 83 24 76 100 1.20 100 68 6\n Housley WIN 78 18 79 97 1.24 97 52 -13\n Ciccarelli DET 81 41 56 97 1.20 97 81 12\n Damphousse MON 82 39 58 97 1.18 97 96 5\n Hawerchuk BUF 79 16 80 96 1.22 96 48 -14\n Shanahan STL 69 51 43 94 1.36 94 168 9\n Muller MON 79 37 57 94 1.19 94 75 9\n Jagr PIT 80 34 60 94 1.18 94 69 31\n Modano MIN 80 33 60 93 1.16 93 81 -6\n Messier NYR 72 25 66 91 1.26 91 70 -3\n Sanderson HAR 79 46 43 89 1.13 89 28 -24\n Reichel CAL 78 40 48 88 1.13 88 54 23\n Bellows MON 80 40 48 88 1.10 88 42 4\n Fedorov DET 72 34 53 87 1.21 87 72 33\n Thomas NYI 76 37 50 87 1.14 87 109 0\n Coffey DET 79 12 75 87 1.10 87 77 16\n Kurri LA 81 27 60 87 1.07 88 38 20\n Bradley TB 78 42 44 86 1.10 86 90 -22\n Brind'Amour PHI 78 37 49 86 1.10 86 87 -9\n Ronning VAN 77 29 56 85 1.10 85 30 16\n Bondra WAS 80 37 48 85 1.06 85 70 3\n Cassels HAR 81 21 64 85 1.05 85 57 -15\n Murphy PIT 82 22 62 84 1.02 84 73 42\n Bourque BOS 78 19 63 82 1.05 82 40 38\n Granato LA 79 37 45 82 1.04 83 165 3\n Verbeek HAR 81 39 43 82 1.01 82 180 -11\n Ridley WAS 81 26 56 82 1.01 82 38 4\n Duchesne QUE 81 20 62 82 1.01 82 57 15\n C.Lemieux NJ 75 30 51 81 1.08 81 149 0\n Suter CAL 80 23 58 81 1.01 81 112 -1\n Lebeau MON 69 31 49 80 1.16 80 20 23\n Roberts CAL 57 38 41 79 1.39 79 172 31\n Semak NJ 80 37 42 79 0.99 79 70 22\n Hatcher WAS 80 34 45 79 0.99 79 110 -12\n D.Hunter WAS 81 20 59 79 0.98 79 194 2\n Courtnall MIN 82 36 43 79 0.96 79 49 -2\n Brown STL 69 25 53 78 1.13 78 56 -4\n Ricci QUE 76 27 51 78 1.03 78 121 9\n Kisio SJ 77 26 52 78 1.01 78 90 -15\n Craven VAN 76 25 52 77 1.01 77 30 0\n G.Courtnall VAN 82 31 46 77 0.94 77 167 23\n Nolan QUE 72 36 40 76 1.06 76 185 -6\n King NYI 74 38 38 76 1.03 76 45 -1\n Amonte NYR 80 33 43 76 0.95 76 47 0\n Gagner MIN 82 33 43 76 0.93 76 141 -15\n Lindros PHI 58 41 34 75 1.29 75 143 25\n Hogue NYI 67 33 42 75 1.12 75 106 6\n Nieuwendyk CAL 77 38 37 75 0.97 75 52 8\n Pivonka WAS 66 21 53 74 1.12 74 51 12\n Borschevsky TOR 76 34 40 74 0.97 74 26 32\n Dahlen MIN 81 35 39 74 0.91 74 6 -18\n Richer NJ 76 38 35 73 0.96 73 44 0\n Emerson STL 80 22 51 73 0.91 73 60 -1\n Nedved VAN 82 38 35 73 0.89 73 94 18\n Chelios CHI 82 15 58 73 0.89 73 282 13\n Carson LA 84 37 36 73 0.87 74 30 2\n Zhamnov WIN 66 25 47 72 1.09 72 58 5\n Kvartalnov BOS 72 30 42 72 1.00 72 14 9\n Steen WIN 78 22 50 72 0.92 72 75 -8\n Linden VAN 82 33 39 72 0.88 72 60 15\n Mullen PIT 71 33 37 70 0.99 70 12 21\n Larmer CHI 82 35 35 70 0.85 70 48 22\n Donnelly LA 82 29 40 69 0.84 70 45 18\n Kovalenko QUE 80 27 41 68 0.85 68 57 10\n Gartner NYR 81 45 23 68 0.84 68 55 -2\n Khristich WAS 61 31 36 67 1.10 67 26 26\n Sheppard DET 70 32 34 66 0.94 66 29 7\n Garpenlov SJ 78 22 44 66 0.85 66 56 -25\n Iafrate WAS 81 25 41 66 0.81 66 169 15\n Gretzky LA 43 16 49 65 1.51 67 6 6\n Zalapski HAR 80 14 51 65 0.81 65 86 -32\n Graves NYR 81 36 29 65 0.80 65 148 -4\n Anderson TOR 74 21 43 64 0.86 64 117 19\n Zelepukin NJ 76 23 41 64 0.84 64 66 16\n MacIver OTT 78 17 46 63 0.81 63 80 -42\n Dineen PHI 80 35 28 63 0.79 63 199 11\n Chiasson DET 78 12 50 62 0.79 62 151 15\n Ysebaert DET 79 34 28 62 0.78 62 42 19\n Galley PHI 80 13 49 62 0.78 62 98 14\n McEachern PIT 83 28 33 61 0.73 61 46 21\n Nicholls NJ 67 13 47 60 0.90 60 80 -13\n Keane MON 75 15 45 60 0.80 60 93 28\n Flatley NYI 77 13 47 60 0.78 60 61 3\n S.Young QUE 81 30 30 60 0.74 60 20 4\n Shannon WIN 82 20 40 60 0.73 60 91 -4\n Fedyk PHI 74 21 38 59 0.80 59 48 14\n Blake LA 76 16 43 59 0.78 60 152 18\n Olausson WIN 66 16 41 57 0.86 57 22 -5\n Makarov CAL 70 18 39 57 0.81 57 40 0\n Smith CHI 76 10 47 57 0.75 57 212 13\n Elynuik WAS 77 22 35 57 0.74 57 66 2\n Stevens NJ 79 12 45 57 0.72 57 116 16\n Adams VAN 51 25 31 56 1.10 56 14 33\n Tucker TB 76 17 39 56 0.74 56 69 -10\n MacInnis CAL 48 11 43 54 1.13 54 59 15\n Sutter CHI 63 20 34 54 0.86 54 65 9\n Bodger BUF 80 9 45 54 0.68 54 87 14\n Nemchinov NYR 81 23 31 54 0.67 54 34 15\n Driver NJ 81 14 40 54 0.67 54 64 -9\n Ruuttu CHI 82 17 37 54 0.66 54 134 14\n Yake HAR 63 22 31 53 0.84 53 44 5\n Turcotte NYR 68 25 28 53 0.78 53 40 -2\n Sandstrom LA 37 25 27 52 1.41 53 51 11\n Malakhov NYI 61 14 38 52 0.85 52 59 14\n Ward VAN 68 22 30 52 0.76 52 82 32\n Otto CAL 74 19 33 52 0.70 52 150 2\n Kontos TB 66 27 24 51 0.77 51 12 -7\n Leach BOS 78 26 25 51 0.65 51 126 -6\n Poulin HAR 78 20 31 51 0.65 51 37 -19\n Tkachuk WIN 81 28 23 51 0.63 51 199 -14\n Savard MON 62 16 34 50 0.81 50 90 2\n Norton NYI 63 12 38 50 0.79 50 45 -6\n Cullen TOR 64 18 32 50 0.78 50 109 -23\n Cote WAS 74 21 29 50 0.68 50 34 28\n Eklund PHI 52 11 38 49 0.94 49 16 8\n Olczyk NYR 68 21 28 49 0.72 49 52 -1\n Semenov VAN 74 12 37 49 0.66 49 32 16\n Davydov WIN 77 28 21 49 0.64 49 64 -2\n Miller STL 80 24 25 49 0.61 49 96 0\n Poulin BOS 83 16 33 49 0.59 49 62 30\n Klima EDM 66 32 16 48 0.73 48 98 -15\n Dionne MON 73 20 28 48 0.66 48 55 6\n Baker OTT 74 19 29 48 0.65 48 52 -21\n Rucinsky QUE 76 18 30 48 0.63 48 51 14\n Weight EDM 76 17 31 48 0.63 48 65 5\n Zhitnik LA 76 12 36 48 0.63 49 78 -2\n MacLean NJ 78 24 24 48 0.62 48 100 -7\n Corson EDM 78 16 31 47 0.60 47 207 -16\n Sweeney BUF 79 21 26 47 0.59 47 118 4\n Simpson EDM 60 24 22 46 0.77 46 36 -14\n Hawgood PHI 66 11 35 46 0.70 46 68 -9\n Johansson WAS 74 7 38 45 0.61 45 54 0\n Miller WAS 81 18 27 45 0.56 45 32 -1\n Manson EDM 81 15 30 45 0.56 45 210 -26\n Desjardins MON 81 13 32 45 0.56 45 98 19\n Schneider MON 58 13 31 44 0.76 44 89 9\n Goulet CHI 63 23 21 44 0.70 44 41 10\n Leclair MON 70 19 25 44 0.63 44 33 11\n Drake DET 71 18 26 44 0.62 44 91 14\n Lumme VAN 73 8 36 44 0.60 44 55 29\n Gaudreau SJ 58 23 20 43 0.74 43 18 -17\n Gill TOR 68 11 32 43 0.63 43 64 4\n Turgeon OTT 70 25 18 43 0.61 43 104 -26\n Probert DET 79 14 29 43 0.54 43 292 -9\n Wood BUF 80 18 25 43 0.54 43 77 7\n Ranheim CAL 82 21 22 43 0.52 43 26 -4\n Zamuner TB 82 15 28 43 0.52 43 72 -25\n Tinordi MIN 69 15 27 42 0.61 42 157 -1\n Paslawski CAL 71 18 24 42 0.59 42 12 0\n Ruzicka BOS 60 19 22 41 0.68 41 38 -6\n Elik EDM 60 14 27 41 0.68 41 56 -4\n Kudelski OTT 61 24 17 41 0.67 41 28 -25\n McSorley LA 79 15 26 41 0.52 42 393 0\n Shaw OTT 79 7 34 41 0.52 41 34 -47\n Lidstrom DET 83 7 34 41 0.49 41 28 7\n Stastny NJ 60 17 23 40 0.67 40 20 -3\n Ellett TOR 68 6 34 40 0.59 40 46 17\n Tikkanen NYR 78 16 24 40 0.51 40 94 -22\n Niedermayer NJ 78 11 29 40 0.51 40 47 8\n Racine DET 79 9 31 40 0.51 40 80 8\n McPhee MIN 82 18 22 40 0.49 40 44 -4\n Millen LA 40 23 16 39 0.98 40 42 15\n Chambers TB 53 10 29 39 0.74 39 34 -23\n Holik NJ 59 20 19 39 0.66 39 72 -2\n Clark TOR 65 17 22 39 0.60 39 187 3\n Khmylev BUF 66 20 19 39 0.59 39 26 6\n Creighton TB 81 19 20 39 0.48 39 110 -21\n Krushelnyski TOR 82 19 20 39 0.48 39 60 3\n Kurvers NYI 49 8 30 38 0.78 38 38 8\n Crossman STL 57 10 28 38 0.67 38 28 -6\n Kovalev NYR 63 20 18 38 0.60 38 79 -8\n Craig MIN 68 15 23 38 0.56 38 106 -10\n Krupp NYI 79 9 29 38 0.48 38 67 8\n Momesso VAN 82 18 20 38 0.46 38 193 11\n Kamensky QUE 31 15 22 37 1.19 37 14 13\n Numminen WIN 65 7 30 37 0.57 37 33 4\n Pearson TOR 76 23 14 37 0.49 37 196 -2\n Graham CHI 82 20 17 37 0.45 37 141 1\n Leetch NYR 36 6 30 36 1.00 36 26 2\n Ciger EDM 62 13 23 36 0.58 36 8 -14\n Beers TB 62 12 24 36 0.58 36 70 -24\n Reid BOS 65 20 16 36 0.55 36 10 12\n Lapointe QUE 73 10 26 36 0.49 36 98 4\n Sjodin MIN 75 7 29 36 0.48 36 30 -25\n Weinrich HAR 76 7 29 36 0.47 36 76 -10\n Borsato WIN 65 15 20 35 0.54 35 38 -1\n Zezel TOR 68 12 23 35 0.51 35 24 -1\n Burr DET 79 10 25 35 0.44 35 74 18\n Donato BOS 81 15 20 35 0.43 35 61 2\n Benning EDM 55 10 24 34 0.62 34 152 -1\n Howe DET 59 3 31 34 0.58 34 22 20\n Guerin NJ 63 14 20 34 0.54 34 63 16\n Hull OTT 67 13 21 34 0.51 34 14 -21\n D.Sweeney BOS 83 7 27 34 0.41 34 66 34\n Nylander HAR 56 11 22 33 0.59 33 36 -5\n Beranek PHI 63 15 18 33 0.52 33 78 -6\n Wesley BOS 64 8 25 33 0.52 33 47 -2\n Matteau CHI 77 15 18 33 0.43 33 96 6\n Broten MIN 80 12 21 33 0.41 33 22 7\n Leeman MON 50 15 17 32 0.64 32 24 14\n Dalgarno NYI 55 15 17 32 0.58 32 60 16\n Mellanby EDM 67 15 17 32 0.48 32 147 -4\n Primeau DET 73 15 17 32 0.44 32 152 -6\n Gilbert CHI 75 13 19 32 0.43 32 57 5\n Mullen NYI 78 18 14 32 0.41 32 28 7\n Presley BUF 78 15 17 32 0.41 32 92 5\n Leschyshyn QUE 81 9 23 32 0.40 32 55 22\n Zubov NYR 46 8 23 31 0.67 31 4 1\n Mironov TOR 57 7 24 31 0.54 31 38 -2\n Bureau TB 63 10 21 31 0.49 31 111 -12\n Brisebois MON 68 10 21 31 0.46 31 77 8\n Heinze BOS 72 18 13 31 0.43 31 24 21\n Smehlik BUF 78 4 27 31 0.40 31 59 10\n Lemieux CHI 79 10 21 31 0.39 31 109 4\n Yushkevich PHI 79 5 26 31 0.39 31 71 10\n Evason SJ 83 12 19 31 0.37 31 132 -33\n McInnis NYI 56 10 20 30 0.54 30 24 7\n Noonan CHI 61 16 14 30 0.49 30 82 1\n Gallant DET 66 10 20 30 0.45 30 186 20\n Kennedy DET 67 19 11 30 0.45 30 46 -1\n Hough QUE 77 8 22 30 0.39 30 69 -11\n Gusarov QUE 78 8 22 30 0.38 30 57 16\n MacTavish EDM 80 10 20 30 0.38 30 110 -15\n Buchberger EDM 81 12 18 30 0.37 30 133 -24\n Janssens HAR 73 12 17 29 0.40 29 233 -12\n U.Samuelson PIT 76 3 26 29 0.38 29 247 37\n Sydor LA 78 6 23 29 0.37 29 59 0\n Duchesne MIN 82 16 13 29 0.35 29 30 6\n Falloon SJ 41 14 14 28 0.68 28 12 -25\n Sandlak VAN 59 10 18 28 0.47 28 122 2\n Carpenter WAS 65 11 17 28 0.43 28 63 -16\n Kron HAR 42 14 13 27 0.64 27 18 7\n Ferraro NYI 43 14 13 27 0.63 27 38 -5\n Kravchuk EDM 55 10 17 27 0.49 27 32 3\n Plavsic VAN 56 6 21 27 0.48 27 51 27\n Ron Sutter STL 59 12 15 27 0.46 27 99 -11\n Cole TB 65 12 15 27 0.42 27 21 -4\n Odgers SJ 65 12 15 27 0.42 27 251 -25\n Fitzgerald NYI 74 9 18 27 0.36 27 32 -1\n Fetisov NJ 74 4 23 27 0.36 27 158 7\n Korolev STL 74 4 23 27 0.36 27 20 -1\n Kypreos HAR 75 17 10 27 0.36 27 325 -5\n Andersson TB 75 16 11 27 0.36 27 14 -14\n Huddy LA 80 2 25 27 0.34 27 62 20\n Rich Sutter STL 82 13 14 27 0.33 27 100 -6\n Slegr VAN 40 4 22 26 0.65 26 109 16\n Svoboda BUF 40 2 24 26 0.65 26 59 3\n Patrick NYR 60 5 21 26 0.43 26 61 1\n Jones WAS 68 12 14 26 0.38 26 124 16\n Lamb OTT 69 7 19 26 0.38 26 62 -40\n Osborne TOR 75 12 14 26 0.35 26 87 -7\n May BUF 80 13 13 26 0.33 26 238 3\n Eagles WIN 82 8 18 26 0.32 26 131 -1\n Brunet MON 45 10 15 25 0.56 25 19 13\n T.Green NYI 58 7 18 25 0.43 25 43 6\n Stern CAL 69 10 15 25 0.36 25 207 2\n Lidster VAN 71 6 19 25 0.35 25 36 9\n Haller MON 72 11 14 25 0.35 25 117 8\n Tippett PIT 73 6 19 25 0.34 25 56 7\n Peluso OTT 79 15 10 25 0.32 25 318 -32\n DiMaio TB 54 9 15 24 0.44 24 62 0\n Brady OTT 55 7 17 24 0.44 24 57 -25\n Freer OTT 61 10 14 24 0.39 24 39 -32\n Cavallini QUE 66 9 15 24 0.36 24 34 10\n Lachance NYI 74 7 17 24 0.32 24 67 -2\n Shaw BOS 76 10 14 24 0.32 24 108 9\n Berg TOR 78 13 11 24 0.31 24 103 2\n Ozolinsh SJ 37 7 16 23 0.62 23 40 -9\n Klatt MIN 45 4 19 23 0.51 23 38 6\n Loach LA 53 10 13 23 0.43 23 27 3\n Todd EDM 55 9 14 23 0.42 23 26 -9\n Ashton CAL 56 10 13 23 0.41 23 52 8\n McBain OTT 57 7 16 23 0.40 23 43 -35\n Gelinas EDM 63 11 12 23 0.37 23 30 2\n Bautin WIN 69 5 18 23 0.33 23 92 -2\n Krygier WAS 74 11 12 23 0.31 23 60 -14\n Johnson MIN 79 3 20 23 0.29 23 105 9\n Acton PHI 80 8 15 23 0.29 23 51 -11\n Barnes WIN 37 12 10 22 0.59 22 10 -3\n Huffman QUE 52 4 18 22 0.42 22 54 0\n Sutton BUF 61 8 14 22 0.36 22 30 0\n McKay NJ 71 11 11 22 0.31 22 199 1\n Konstantinov DET 81 5 17 22 0.27 22 135 23\n Pellerin NJ 44 10 11 21 0.48 21 37 -1\n Sillinger DET 51 4 17 21 0.41 21 16 0\n Volek NYI 56 8 13 21 0.38 21 34 -1\n Lindberg CAL 61 9 12 21 0.34 21 18 -4\n Evans PHI 65 8 13 21 0.32 21 70 -9\n Hamrlik TB 65 6 15 21 0.32 21 65 -20\n Gilchrist MIN 68 10 11 21 0.31 21 49 -12\n Churla MIN 73 5 16 21 0.29 21 286 -8\n Kasparaitis NYI 77 4 17 21 0.27 21 166 14\n Loney PIT 81 5 16 21 0.26 21 99 3\n Courtenay SJ 38 7 13 20 0.53 20 10 -15\n Wilson SJ 42 3 17 20 0.48 20 40 -28\n T.Pederson SJ 43 7 13 20 0.47 20 31 -14\n Lomakin PHI 48 8 12 20 0.42 20 34 14\n Druce WIN 48 6 14 20 0.42 20 37 -5\n Hannan BUF 53 5 15 20 0.38 20 41 10\n Corriveau HAR 54 8 12 20 0.37 20 12 -20\n Bourque NYR 54 6 14 20 0.37 20 39 -9\n Hiller DET 60 8 12 20 0.33 20 109 6\n Maltais TB 61 7 13 20 0.33 20 35 -19\n Burt HAR 62 6 14 20 0.32 20 116 -14\n Johansson CAL 75 4 16 20 0.27 20 60 11\n Marchment CHI 76 5 15 20 0.26 20 309 13\n Diduck VAN 78 6 14 20 0.26 20 163 29\n Podein EDM 38 13 6 19 0.50 19 25 -1\n Berehowsky TOR 40 4 15 19 0.48 19 61 1\n Babych VAN 41 3 16 19 0.46 19 42 4\n Audette BUF 42 12 7 19 0.45 19 51 -5\n Chorske NJ 50 7 12 19 0.38 19 25 -1\n Bassen STL 51 9 10 19 0.37 19 59 -4\n Hatcher MIN 65 4 15 19 0.29 19 176 -26\n Kucera CHI 70 5 14 19 0.27 19 59 7\n Wilson STL 76 8 11 19 0.25 19 44 -7\n Macoun TOR 76 4 15 19 0.25 19 55 3\n King WIN 77 8 11 19 0.25 19 203 4\n Beukeboom NYR 79 2 17 19 0.24 19 153 10\n Carkner PHI 80 3 16 19 0.24 19 146 16\n Neely BOS 12 11 7 18 1.50 18 25 4\n Foligno TOR 54 13 5 18 0.33 18 84 1\n Christian CHI 60 4 14 18 0.30 18 12 6\n Errey BUF 61 9 9 18 0.30 18 80 1\n Gavin MIN 63 10 8 18 0.29 18 59 -4\n McLlwain TOR 65 14 4 18 0.28 18 30 -17\n Daigneault MON 65 8 10 18 0.28 18 57 24\n Ramage MON 74 5 13 18 0.24 18 146 -24\n Smith EDM 76 4 14 18 0.24 18 30 -11\n Paek PIT 76 3 15 18 0.24 18 64 15\n Murphy CHI 17 7 10 17 1.00 17 18 -4\n DiPietro MON 27 4 13 17 0.63 17 14 10\n M.Pederson SJ 40 10 7 17 0.43 17 24 -20\n Nattress PHI 44 7 10 17 0.39 17 29 1\n Carbonneau MON 59 4 13 17 0.29 17 20 -8\n Yawney CAL 61 1 16 17 0.28 17 65 5\n Kasatonov NJ 63 3 14 17 0.27 17 55 7\n Roberts BOS 64 5 12 17 0.27 17 103 22\n MacDermid WAS 72 9 8 17 0.24 17 80 -13\n Odjick VAN 74 4 13 17 0.23 17 360 4\n Conacher LA 79 9 8 17 0.22 17 20 -15\n Cavallini WAS 79 6 11 17 0.22 17 56 4\n Erickson WIN 39 4 12 16 0.41 16 12 2\n Straka PIT 41 3 13 16 0.39 16 29 3\n Erixon NYR 42 5 11 16 0.38 16 10 13\n Murphy BOS 48 5 11 16 0.33 16 60 -14\n Ledyard BUF 48 2 14 16 0.33 16 43 0\n Butsayev PHI 49 2 14 16 0.33 16 57 2\n Ulanov WIN 54 2 14 16 0.30 16 122 6\n Carter SJ 55 7 9 16 0.29 16 81 -25\n Glynn EDM 62 4 12 16 0.26 16 58 -12\n Boschman OTT 68 9 7 16 0.24 16 95 -27\n Rumble OTT 68 3 13 16 0.24 16 61 -26\n Stanton PIT 76 4 12 16 0.21 16 97 8\n Murzyn VAN 77 5 11 16 0.21 16 179 36\n Musil CAL 78 6 10 16 0.21 16 129 26\n May WAS 80 6 10 16 0.20 16 266 0\n Foote QUE 80 4 12 16 0.20 16 168 3\n Odelein MON 81 2 14 16 0.20 16 201 35\n Andersson NYR 29 4 11 15 0.52 15 16 7\n Archibald OTT 42 9 6 15 0.36 15 32 -15\n Taylor LA 46 6 9 15 0.33 15 49 2\n Lowe NYR 47 3 12 15 0.32 15 58 -1\n Domi WIN 59 5 10 15 0.25 15 340 1\n McCrimmon DET 60 1 14 15 0.25 15 71 21\n Konroyd DET 65 3 12 15 0.23 15 67 -15\n Zombo STL 69 0 15 15 0.22 15 78 -4\n Butcher STL 82 5 10 15 0.18 15 209 0\n Zmolek SJ 83 5 10 15 0.18 15 229 -51\n Fergus VAN 36 5 9 14 0.39 14 20 1\n Skrudland CAL 38 7 7 14 0.37 14 65 4\n Pantaleyev BOS 39 8 6 14 0.36 14 12 -6\n Pearson QUE 41 13 1 14 0.34 14 95 3\n C.J.Young BOS 43 7 7 14 0.33 14 32 -6\n Smail OTT 51 4 10 14 0.27 14 51 -34\n Hardy LA 53 1 13 14 0.26 14 89 -1\n Broten NYR 58 5 9 14 0.24 14 48 -6\n Barr NJ 60 6 8 14 0.23 14 44 3\n Taglianetti PIT 71 2 12 14 0.20 14 182 15\n Ewen MON 74 5 9 14 0.19 14 191 7\n Bergevin TB 76 2 12 14 0.18 14 66 -16\n Finn QUE 79 5 9 14 0.18 14 160 -4\n Lefebvre TOR 79 2 12 14 0.18 14 90 6\n M.Sullivan SJ 81 6 8 14 0.17 14 30 -42\n Ojanen NJ 31 4 9 13 0.42 13 14 -2\n Reekie TB 42 2 11 13 0.31 13 69 2\n Lindsay QUE 44 4 9 13 0.30 13 16 0\n Ramsey PIT 44 3 10 13 0.30 13 28 16\n Valk VAN 46 6 7 13 0.28 13 73 5\n Jelinek OTT 49 7 6 13 0.27 13 52 -21\n Needham PIT 55 8 5 13 0.24 13 24 -2\n Lowry STL 56 5 8 13 0.23 13 101 -18\n Rychel LA 68 6 7 13 0.19 13 293 -14\n McGill PHI 70 3 10 13 0.19 13 221 7\n Stapleton PIT 78 4 9 13 0.17 13 10 -8\n Richardson EDM 80 3 10 13 0.16 13 140 -18\n Rouse TOR 80 3 10 13 0.16 13 128 8\n Daneyko NJ 82 2 11 13 0.16 13 222 4\n Ogrodnick DET 18 6 6 12 0.67 12 2 -3\n S. King NYR 24 7 5 12 0.50 12 16 4\n Joseph EDM 31 2 10 12 0.39 12 46 -6\n Petit CAL 34 3 9 12 0.35 12 50 -6\n Williams SJ 39 1 11 12 0.31 12 49 -25\n B.Smith MIN 43 5 7 12 0.28 12 8 -6\n Bozon STL 52 6 6 12 0.23 12 55 -1\n Ronan MON 53 5 7 12 0.23 12 20 6\n Dirk VAN 67 4 8 12 0.18 12 146 22\n Hunter VAN 72 5 7 12 0.17 12 182 -5\n Luongo OTT 74 3 9 12 0.16 12 68 -42\n Berube CAL 75 4 8 12 0.16 12 209 -6\n Wilson CAL 22 4 7 11 0.50 11 8 10\n Vujtek EDM 28 1 10 11 0.39 11 8 -1\n Konowalchuk WAS 36 4 7 11 0.31 11 16 4\n Snuggerud PHI 39 4 7 11 0.28 11 14 -3\n Murray CHI 49 4 7 11 0.22 11 57 -14\n Donnelly BUF 58 3 8 11 0.19 11 219 6\n Dahl CAL 59 2 9 11 0.19 11 52 9\n Kasper TB 66 4 7 11 0.17 11 20 -16\n More SJ 73 5 6 11 0.15 11 179 -35\n Quintal STL 73 1 10 11 0.15 11 100 -6\n Ludwig MIN 76 1 10 11 0.14 11 149 0\n Muni CHI 79 0 11 11 0.14 11 73 -15\n Lazaro OTT 26 6 4 10 0.38 10 16 -8\n Norwood STL 32 3 7 10 0.31 10 63 -5\n Featherstone BOS 34 5 5 10 0.29 10 102 6\n Murphy OTT 42 3 7 10 0.24 10 28 -18\n DeBrusk EDM 49 8 2 10 0.20 10 199 -14\n Wells NYR 50 1 9 10 0.20 10 105 -2\n Kimble BOS 54 7 3 10 0.19 10 177 4\n Corkum BUF 67 6 4 10 0.15 10 38 -2\n Dahlquist CAL 73 3 7 10 0.14 10 66 -2\n Gordijuk BUF 16 3 6 9 0.56 9 0 4\n Hurlbut NYR 23 1 8 9 0.39 9 16 4\n Boivin PHI 30 5 4 9 0.30 9 76 -5\n Moller BUF 35 2 7 9 0.26 9 83 6\n Cunneyworth HAR 36 5 4 9 0.25 9 61 -1\n Petrovicky HAR 42 3 6 9 0.21 9 45 -10\n McRae STL 45 3 6 9 0.20 9 167 -13\n Cirella NYR 52 3 6 9 0.17 9 83 4\n Maley SJ 55 2 7 9 0.16 9 143 -27\n Daniels PIT 57 5 4 9 0.16 9 14 -6\n Hughes BOS 61 5 4 9 0.15 9 191 -5\n Lalor WIN 62 1 8 9 0.15 9 74 -13\n K.Samuelson PIT 63 3 6 9 0.14 9 106 25\n McKenzie HAR 63 3 6 9 0.14 9 202 -9\n Kocur NYR 64 3 6 9 0.14 9 129 -9\n Loewen OTT 77 4 5 9 0.12 9 145 -25\n Houlder BUF 13 3 5 8 0.62 8 6 7\n T.Sweeney BOS 14 1 7 8 0.57 8 6 1\n Douris BOS 18 4 4 8 0.44 8 4 5\n Keczmer HAR 21 4 4 8 0.38 8 28 -2\n Greig HAR 22 1 7 8 0.36 8 27 -11\n Day HAR 24 1 7 8 0.33 8 47 -8\n Werenka EDM 27 5 3 8 0.30 8 24 1\n Tatarinov QUE 28 2 6 8 0.29 8 28 6\n McDonough SJ 30 6 2 8 0.27 8 6 -21\n Hill MON 30 2 6 8 0.27 8 47 -5\n K.Brown CHI 31 2 6 8 0.26 8 37 4\n Loiselle NYI 38 5 3 8 0.21 8 84 -4\n Hudson EDM 39 1 7 8 0.21 8 44 -8\n Hedican STL 40 0 8 8 0.20 8 30 -4\n Roberge MON 48 4 4 8 0.17 8 140 3\n Ahola SJ 49 3 5 8 0.16 8 36 -11\n McIntyre NYR 57 3 5 8 0.14 8 82 -14\n Anderson WAS 57 2 6 8 0.14 8 18 -1\n Houda HAR 57 2 6 8 0.14 8 163 -21\n Hartman TB 58 4 4 8 0.14 8 154 -7\n Wilkinson SJ 58 1 7 8 0.14 8 96 -48\n Hammond OTT 61 4 4 8 0.13 8 104 -40\n Barrasso PIT 62 0 8 8 0.13 8 20 0\n Kennedy WIN 77 1 7 8 0.10 8 105 -4\n Eastwood TOR 12 1 6 7 0.58 7 21 -2\n Quintin SJ 14 2 5 7 0.50 7 4 -4\n R.Brown CHI 15 1 6 7 0.47 33 33 6\n Godynyuk CAL 26 3 4 7 0.27 7 17 7\n Rice EDM 26 2 5 7 0.27 7 13 -5\n Murray BOS 27 3 4 7 0.26 7 8 -6\n Wiemer BOS 27 1 6 7 0.26 7 48 -1\n Berezan SJ 28 3 4 7 0.25 7 28 -18\n Marois NYI 28 2 5 7 0.25 7 35 -3\n Mallette NJ 34 4 3 7 0.21 7 56 3\n Hynes PHI 36 3 4 7 0.19 7 16 -3\n Gilhen TB 42 3 4 7 0.17 7 12 -13\n Chase STL 49 2 5 7 0.14 7 204 -9\n Vukota NYI 71 2 5 7 0.10 7 199 4\n Zettler SJ 79 0 7 7 0.09 7 150 -48\n Lafreniere TB 9 3 3 6 0.67 6 4 -5\n Propp MIN 15 3 3 6 0.40 6 0 -8\n Belanger MON 18 4 2 6 0.33 6 4 1\n Kerr HAR 22 0 6 6 0.27 6 7 -11\n Shuchuk LA 23 2 4 6 0.26 6 14 4\n Bergland TB 25 3 3 6 0.24 6 11 -9\n Vaske NYI 25 1 5 6 0.24 6 30 6\n Carney BUF 29 2 4 6 0.21 6 51 2\n Dinnen OTT 31 2 4 6 0.19 6 30 -19\n Albelin NJ 34 1 5 6 0.18 6 14 -1\n Patterson BUF 35 4 2 6 0.17 6 18 -2\n Ladouceur HAR 59 2 4 6 0.10 6 107 -17\n Russell CHI 66 2 4 6 0.09 6 151 5\n Lang LA 11 0 5 5 0.45 5 2 -3\n Lipuma TB 13 0 5 5 0.38 5 32 1\n Brown NJ 15 0 5 5 0.33 5 2 3\n Kozlov DET 16 4 1 5 0.31 5 14 -1\n Savage WAS 16 2 3 5 0.31 5 12 -4\n Bruce SJ 17 2 3 5 0.29 5 33 -14\n Byers SJ 18 4 1 5 0.28 5 122 -2\n Conroy PHI 18 3 2 5 0.28 5 17 0\n Van Allen EDM 21 1 4 5 0.24 5 6 -2\n Richer BOS 23 1 4 5 0.22 5 18 -9\n Wolanin QUE 23 1 4 5 0.22 5 49 8\n Leach HAR 24 3 2 5 0.21 5 4 -7\n Prokhorov STL 26 4 1 5 0.19 5 15 -4\n Kruse CAL 26 2 3 5 0.19 5 41 3\n Richter NYR 35 0 5 5 0.14 5 2 0\n Bawa SJ 41 5 0 5 0.12 5 47 -24\n Osiecki MIN 42 1 4 5 0.12 5 19 -20\n Matvichuk MIN 51 2 3 5 0.10 5 26 -7\n Pedersen HAR 58 1 4 5 0.09 5 60 2\n Jennings PIT 58 0 5 5 0.09 5 65 7\n Essensa WIN 66 0 5 5 0.08 5 2 0\n Ray BUF 68 3 2 5 0.07 5 211 -3\n McKim BOS 7 1 3 4 0.57 4 0 2\n Faust PHI 8 2 2 4 0.50 4 4 3\n Smolinski BOS 8 1 3 4 0.50 4 0 3\n Fogarty PIT 12 0 4 4 0.33 4 4 -3\n Hervey TB 15 0 4 4 0.27 4 36 -4\n Picard SJ 25 4 0 4 0.16 4 24 -17\n Reese CAL 25 0 4 4 0.16 4 4 0\n Romaniuk WIN 28 3 1 4 0.14 4 22 0\n Thompson LA 28 0 4 4 0.14 4 79 -3\n Pilon NYI 41 1 3 4 0.10 4 146 -3\n Giles STL 48 0 4 4 0.08 4 40 -2\n Baron STL 53 2 2 4 0.08 4 59 -5\n Cheveldae DET 66 0 4 4 0.06 4 4 0\n Hankinson NJ 4 2 1 3 0.75 3 9 2\n McDougall EDM 4 2 1 3 0.75 3 4 2\n Felsner STL 4 0 3 3 0.75 3 0 0\n Ruff TB 8 2 1 3 0.38 3 8 -1\n Petrov MON 9 2 1 3 0.33 3 10 2\n Black MIN 10 2 1 3 0.30 3 4 0\n Morris SJ 14 0 3 3 0.21 3 6 -11\n Walter VAN 23 3 0 3 0.13 3 8 -2\n Hrivnak WIN 29 0 3 3 0.10 3 0 0\n Wakaluk MIN 29 0 3 3 0.10 3 20 0\n Dufresne MON 30 1 2 3 0.10 3 30 0\n Cronin PHI 34 2 1 3 0.09 3 37 0\n Smyth CAL 34 1 2 3 0.09 3 95 3\n Hrudey LA 48 0 3 3 0.06 3 8 0\n Marsh OTT 57 0 3 3 0.05 3 30 -25\n Casey MIN 58 0 3 3 0.05 3 28 0\n Berry MIN 61 0 3 3 0.05 3 107 4\n Ranford EDM 66 0 3 3 0.05 3 10 0\n Belfour CHI 69 0 3 3 0.04 3 28 0\n Rivers TB 4 0 2 2 0.50 2 2 -2\n Forslund CAL 5 0 2 2 0.40 2 0 0\n Capuano TB 6 1 1 2 0.33 2 2 -4\n Djoos NYR 6 1 1 2 0.33 2 2 0\n Cummins DET 7 1 1 2 0.29 2 58 0\n Otevrel SJ 7 0 2 2 0.29 2 0 -6\n Kolstad SJ 10 0 2 2 0.20 2 12 -9\n Osborne TB 11 1 1 2 0.18 2 8 -1\n Wood SJ 12 1 1 2 0.17 2 71 -5\n Brickley WIN 12 0 2 2 0.17 2 2 0\n Eakins WIN 14 0 2 2 0.14 2 38 2\n Simon QUE 15 1 1 2 0.13 2 67 -2\n Bennett CHI 16 0 2 2 0.13 2 8 -2\n Gillis HAR 18 1 1 2 0.11 2 38 0\n Carlyle WIN 22 1 1 2 0.09 2 14 -6\n Nylund NYI 22 1 1 2 0.09 2 43 -2\n Blue BOS 22 0 2 2 0.09 2 6 0\n Watters LA 22 0 2 2 0.09 2 18 -3\n Woolley WAS 23 0 2 2 0.09 2 10 0\n Whitmore VAN 29 0 2 2 0.07 2 2 0\n Stauber LA 30 0 2 2 0.07 2 2 0\n W.Young TB 31 0 2 2 0.06 2 2 0\n Roussel PHI 32 0 2 2 0.06 2 11 0\n Twist QUE 34 0 2 2 0.06 2 64 0\n Fiset QUE 37 0 2 2 0.05 2 2 0\n Jablonski TB 42 0 2 2 0.05 2 7 0\n Soderstrom PHI 43 0 2 2 0.05 2 4 0\n Healy NYI 46 0 2 2 0.04 2 2 0\n Burke HAR 50 0 2 2 0.04 2 25 0\n Hextall QUE 53 0 2 2 0.04 2 56 0\n Roy MON 61 0 2 2 0.03 2 16 0\n Vernon CAL 63 0 2 2 0.03 2 42 0\n Joseph STL 66 0 2 2 0.03 2 8 0\n Brown PHI 67 0 2 2 0.03 2 76 -5\n Grimson CHI 76 1 1 2 0.03 2 186 2\n Barnaby BUF 1 1 0 1 1.00 1 0 0\n Ratushny VAN 1 0 1 1 1.00 1 0 0\n Zholtok BOS 1 0 1 1 1.00 1 0 1\n Sullivan NJ 2 0 1 1 0.50 1 0 -1\n Duncanson NYR 3 0 1 1 0.33 1 0 0\n Beaufait SJ 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 0 -1\n Bowen PHI 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 2 0\n MacDonald BUF 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 2 0\n Esau QUE 4 0 1 1 0.25 1 2 1\n D.Smith MIN 9 0 1 1 0.11 1 2 -2\n Vial DET 9 0 1 1 0.11 1 20 1\n Brown BUF 10 0 1 1 0.10 1 6 -5\n Draper BUF 11 0 1 1 0.09 1 2 0\n Karpa QUE 11 0 1 1 0.09 1 13 -6\n Tichy CHI 13 0 1 1 0.08 1 30 7\n Gosselin HAR 15 0 1 1 0.07 1 2 0\n Fortier LA 16 0 1 1 0.06 1 11 -9\n Hayward SJ 18 0 1 1 0.06 1 2 0\n McGill TOR 19 1 0 1 0.05 1 34 5\n Bergeron TB 19 0 1 1 0.05 1 0 0\n Potvin LA 19 0 1 1 0.05 1 52 -9\n Berthiaume OTT 23 0 1 1 0.04 1 2 0\n Racicot MON 25 0 1 1 0.04 1 6 0\n Wregget PIT 25 0 1 1 0.04 1 6 0\n Ciccone MIN 29 0 1 1 0.03 1 106 3\n Puppa TOR 32 0 1 1 0.03 1 0 0\n Hackett SJ 36 0 1 1 0.03 1 4 0\n Fitzpatrick NYI 37 0 1 1 0.03 1 2 0\n Billington NJ 40 0 1 1 0.03 1 8 0\n Potvin TOR 46 0 1 1 0.02 1 4 0\n Vanbiesbrouk NYR 48 0 1 1 0.02 1 18 0\n McLean VAN 54 0 1 1 0.02 1 16 0\n Moog BOS 54 0 1 1 0.02 1 14 0\n Beaupre WAS 57 0 1 1 0.02 1 20 0\n Baumgartner TOR 61 1 0 1 0.02 1 155 -11\n Bales BOS 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Burridge WAS 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Chabot MON 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n D'Alessio HAR 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Littman TB 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Parks NYI 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Semchuk LA 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n St. Amour OTT 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Cimellaro OTT 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -2\n Cote TB 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -1\n Marcinyshyn NYR 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 -1\n O'Neill WIN 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Raglan TB 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Williams LA 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0\n Charron MON 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Ciavaglia BUF 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Cloutier QUE 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Hamr OTT 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -3\n Wamsley TOR 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Hirsch NYR 4 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n O'Connor NJ 7 0 0 0 0.00 0 9 -4\n J.Messier NYR 9 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0\n Knickle LA 10 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Chapdelaine LA 13 0 0 0 0.00 0 12 -6\n Shannon TOR 15 0 0 0 0.00 0 11 -2\n Agnew HAR 16 0 0 0 0.00 0 68 3\n Waite CHI 20 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Langway WAS 21 0 0 0 0.00 0 20 -13\n Riendeau DET 22 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Hebert STL 23 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Tabaracci WAS 23 0 0 0 0.00 0 12 0\n Tugnutt EDM 25 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0\n Caufield PIT 26 0 0 0 0.00 0 60 -1\n Hasek BUF 27 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0\n Pietrangelo HAR 30 0 0 0 0.00 0 4 0\n Irbe SJ 35 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0\n Terreri NJ 47 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0\n Fuhr BUF 56 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0\n Sidorkiewicz OTT 63 0 0 0 0.00 0 8 0\n-- \n\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n- -\n- Maurice Richard -\n",
'From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle)\nSubject: ChemLab EyeoftheBeholder2 ClueBook EthernetTransceiver NintendoControl\nSummary: Miscellaneous Items For Sale\nKeywords: Chemistry IBM PC Games Clue Book Ethernet Transceiver Nintendo\nReply-To: battle@cs.utk.edu\nDistribution: us\nOrganization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1b.cs.utk.edu\n\nI have the following items for sale. The highest bid for each to arrive\nin my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item.\n\n1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581\n Safe for Ages 10 and Up\n Used little\n 25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp,\n Test Tube, Litmus Paper\n Manual with "Over 1100 Experiments"\n $4 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n2] Eye of the Beholder II\n Fun game for the IBM PC\n In original box, with original media and Manual\n $3 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II\n\tSolve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot\n\t$1 shipping will be added to your bid\n\tFree shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2].\n\n4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial))\n Works fine\n Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc.\n Built-in T\n Includes one 50 Ohm terminator\n $2 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n5] Super Nintendo Super Controller\n Auto Repeated Fire\n Hands-Free Continuous Fire\n Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing)\n\tAdd to a one-controller console to allow two players\n $2 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n\nBe sure to include a *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.\nBe sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.\n\nSend bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle).\n\nYou will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT\nWednesday April 21, 1993.\n\nItems will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning.\nA money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed\nto receive the item. Please keep this fact in mind when bidding.\n\n-David\nbattle@cs.utk.edu\n',
'From: spl2@po.cwru.edu (Sam Lubchansky)\nSubject: Re: Joe Robbie Stadium "NOT FOR BASEBALL"\nArticle-I.D.: po.spl2.114.734131045\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b61644.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes:\n>From: iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock)\n>Subject: Joe Robbie Stadium "NOT FOR BASEBALL"\n>Date: 6 Apr 93 02:50:27 GMT\n>Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture\n>of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA\n>Today? Any reason given for this?\n>\n\nI would assume that the words (I saw the picture) indicated that those \nSEATS will not be available for baseball games. If you look at the picture \nof the diamond in the stadium, in relation to the areas marked "NOT FOR \nBASEBALL", those seats just look terrible for watching baseball. Now, if \nthey should happen to reach the post-season, I would imagine that they \nwould consider opening some of those seats up, but that is surely a worry \nof the future.\n\n \n\n\nSam Lubchansky spl2@po.cwru.edu\n\n"In the champion, people see what they\'d like to be. In the loser,\n they see what they actually are, and they treat him with scorn."\n\n"Sugary condiments secure initial pleasure, but fermented grain is\n decidedly more parsimonious of time." \n',
'From: rsf@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roberto.s.freire)\nSubject: Fluke Scopemeter\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 14\n\nHas anybody out there used/tested these new Fluke Scopemeters?\nHow do they compare to a low-end Tectronix oscilloscope? Are\nthere any big drawbacks about these handheld scopes when\ncompared to the benchtop scopes of the same price range\n($1000-$2000)?\n\nAny info on the Fluke Scopemeters would be greatly appreciated.\n\nThanks,\n\nBob Freire\nrsf@houxa.att.com\n\n\n',
"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu\n(stephen) wrote:\n> tional as that is for so many). One direct benefit is being able to \n> keep things in perspective, KS.\n> \n> Such as who hurts more -- the ones who died, or the loved ones who \n> are left? Besides the lessons. It's also time for many to grieve.\n> Including those who've lost their faith in others, or in God.\n> \n> I'm learning to be patient, and let things heal. God willing.\n\nChristians through ages have had to learn to be patient. I do think\nit's time to face the reality. The events during the last 52 two\ndays showed what the world is really like.\n\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n",
"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 32\n\nIn article dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n>In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n\nGood grief again.\n\nWhy the anger? I must have really touched a raw nerve.\n\nLet's see: I had symptoms that resisted all other treatments. Sporanox\ntotally alleviated them within one week. Hmmm, I must be psychotic. Yesss!\nThat's it - my illness was all in my mind. Thanks Steve for your correct\ndiagnosis - you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches,\ntreating hundreds of patients a week. Thank you. I'm forever in your\ndebt.\n\nJon\n\n(oops, gotta run, the men in white coats are ready to take me away, haha,\nto the happy home, where I can go twiddle my thumbs, basket weave, and\nmoan about my sinuses.)\n\n-- \n\nCharter Member --->>> INFJ Club.\n\nIf you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info.\n=============================================================================\n| Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | |\n| JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE |\n| 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! |\n| Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | |\n=============================================================================\nWho are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is.\n",
'From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: $1bil space race ideas/moon base on the cheap.\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.150437.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nThat is an idea.. The most efficient moon habitat.. \n\nalso the idea of how to get the people off the moon once the prize was won..\n\nAlso the idea of how to rescue someone who is "dying" on the moon.\n\nMaybe have a area where they can all "see" each other, and can help each other\nif something happens.. \n\nI liek the idea of one prize for the first moon landing and return, by a\nnon-governmental body..\n\nAlso the idea of then having a moon habitat race.. \n\nI know we need to do somthing to get people involved..\n\nEccentric millionaire/billionaire would be nice.. We see how old Ross feels\nabout it.. After all it would be a great promotional thing and a way to show he\ndoes care about commericalization and the people.. Will try to broach the\nsubject to him.. \n\nMoonbase on the cheap is a good idea.. NASA and friends seem to take to much\ntime and give us to expensive stuff that of late does not work (hubble and\nsuch). Basically what is the difference between a $1mil peice of junk and a\nmulti $1mil piece of junk.. I know junk..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I\'m not high, just jacked\n',
'From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org\nSubject: God\'s promise to the righteous\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 3\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nPs.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."\n\nIsa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."\n',
'Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nFrom: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)\nOrganization: Harvard Math Department\nNntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu\nLines: 10\n\n\nOnce, on Jeopardy, the category was "Jewish Sports Heros," believe it\nor not. The answer was, "This pitcher had four no-hitters with the\nDodgers in the 60s." The contestant said, "Who is Hank Aaron?" Alex\nTrebek said something like, "I don\'t think Hank Aaron was a pitcher."\n\nDavid Fry fry@math.harvard.edu\nDivision of Applied Sciences fry@huma1.bitnet\nHarvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry\nCambridge, MA 02138 \n',
"From: bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading)\nSubject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nOrganization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de\nMime-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\nIn-reply-to: ethan@cs.columbia.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:25:08 GMT\n\n\ntry this after XCreateWindow:\n-----------------------------\n\n#include <X11/Xutil.h>\n\nDisplay display;\nWindow window;\n\n{\n XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints ();\n xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize;\t/* or = PPosition | PSize */\n xsizehints->x = 42;\n xsizehints->y = 42;\n xsizehints->width = 100;\n xsizehints->height = 100;\n XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints);\n XFree (xsizehints);\n}\n\nThese hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window\nare specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these\nvalues. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window\nmanager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user.\nI don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer if\nyou specify the position and size like above.\n\nGreetings from Berlin,\n\nTobias (bading@cs.tu-berlin.de)\n",
'From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 4\n\nI\'m sold! Where do I sign up?\n\n\nBrian /-|-\\ The next book: "Charles Manson: Lord, Lunatic, or Liar"\n',
'From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX\nLines: 43\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rtfm.sps.mot.com\n\n\nIs it just me, or has this part gotten beyond useful?\n\nGregg is not, as I understand his posts, giving any support to the bounty\non Rushdie\'s life. If that\'s correct, end of one point...\n\nGregg is using the concept of legal in a way most Westerners don\'t accept.\nHis comments about Islamic Law I think make a great deal of sense to him,\nand are even making a _little_ sense to me now - if a person is a member\nof a group (religion or whatever) they bind themselves to follow the ways\nof the group within the bounds of what the group requires as a minimum.\nThe big bone of contention here that I\'m picking up is that in the West\nwe have secular governments that maintain, more or less, a level of control\nand of requirements outside the requirements of optional groups. I think\nthe majority of us reading this thread are in tune (note - I didn\'t say\n"in agreement") with the idea that you are finally responsible to the\nsecular government, and within that to the group or groups a person may\nhave chosen.\n\nWith that in mind, it not possible under secular law ("legally" as most\npeople would define the term) to hold a person to a particular group once\nthey decide to separate from it. Only if the secular authorities agree\nthat there is a requirement of some sort (contractual, etc) is there\nany secular _enforcement_ allowed by a group to a group member or past\ngroup member.\n\nA religion can, and often does, believe in and require additional duties\nof a group member. And it can enforce the fulfillment of those duties\nin many ways - ostracism is common for example. But the limit comes when\nthe enforcement would impose unwanted and/or unaccepted onus on a person\n_in conflict with secular law_.\n\nThis is the difference. In a theocracy, the requirements of the secular\nauthorities are, by definition, congruent with the religious authorities.\nOutside a theocracy, this is not _necessarily_ true. Religious requirements\n_may_ coincide or may not. Similiarly, religious consequences _may_ or\nmay not coincide with secular consequences (if any).\n\nRegards,\n\nDew\n-- \nDewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637\n',
"From: chico@ccsun.unicamp.br (Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues)\nSubject: New planet/Kuiper object found?\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 28\n\n\n\tTonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object,\nbeyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They\nnamed the object Karla.\n\n\tThe program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and\nshould be composed by rocks and ices.\n\n\tCan someone confirm these information? Could this object be a\nnew planet or a Kuiper object?\n\n\tThanks in advance.\n\n\tFrancisco.\n\n-----------------------=====================================----the stars,----\n| ._, | Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues | o o |\n| ,_| |._/\\ | | o o |\n| | |o/^^~-._ | COTUCA-Colegio Tecnico da UNICAMP | o |\n|/-' BRASIL | ~| | o o o |\n|\\__/|_ /' | Depto de Processamento de Dados | o o o o |\n| \\__ Cps | . | | o o o o |\n| | * __/' | InterNet : chico@ccsun.unicamp.br | o o o |\n| > /' | cotuca@ccvax.unicamp.br| o |\n| /' /' | Fone/Fax : 55-0192-32-9519 | o o |\n| ~~^\\/' | Campinas - SP - Brasil | o o |\n-----------------------=====================================----like dust.----\n\n",
"From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fleming-07.cs.strath.ac.uk\n\nbeing a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly\nooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and\nbend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped\noff near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace.\n\n\ngillian\n",
"From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)\nOrganization: Computing Research Lab\nLines: 36\n\t<1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>\n\t<C5uvn4.MF7@austin.ibm.com> <strnlghtC5wCMo.Fx5@netcom.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lole.nmsu.edu\nIn-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:59:12 GMT\n\n\nIn article <strnlghtC5wCMo.Fx5@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David\nSternlight) writes:\n\n >At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was\n >des encryped and the person that had sent it, went on vaction.\n >Rather than wait two weeks I set up a straight frontal attack with\n >one key at a time. It only took two(2) days to crack the file.\n >No, I don't have any faith in DES.\n \n\n Taking this at face value (though it seems quite dissonant with\n much else that has been published here about brute force DES\n cracking, unless Russell was lucky with respect to the key), I'd be\n very interested in whether the program Russell used is available?\n\nkey search is very practical in many real situations since people use\nsuch stupid keys on the average. password crackers know this well.\n\n Depending on his answer, this could be an appalling development\n calling into question both DES and RSA/DES.\n\nnot really. in fact, public key based communication systems very\noften pick keys automatically which are much better than passwords or\npass phrases.\n\n If any bright programmer with a little idle machine time can crack\n a single DES message in a couple of days (assuming no tricks that\n are message-specific),\n\nif a person picked the password or pass phrase, then the key search is\npretty straightforward. in running english text, the average content\nof a single word is about 8 bits. in pass phrases, this may increase\nto 10 bits or so. searching 30bit spaces is semi-practical even in\nsoftware and searching 40bit spaces isn't outrageous to imagine with\nhardware assists of moderate size.\n",
'Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3\nFrom: nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros)\nOrganization: Computer Science, CLIP lab, UPM Madrid, Spain.\nNntp-Posting-Host: aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es\nIn-reply-to: dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu\'s message of 2 Apr 93 21:24:05 GMT\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.212405.5213@head-cfa.harvard.edu> dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:\n\n> \t I\'ve been trying to compile X11R5 patchlevel 23 on a Sun Sparc\n> IPX using SunOS_4.1.3, and gcc 2.3.3.\n> \n> \t The problem occurs during the initial "make World". When\n> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can\'t seem to find\n> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program "ld"\n> which was updated for 4_1_3.\n> \n\n Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static\nsome of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(.\n\n--\n/+=========================================++================================+\\\n||Francisco J. Ballesteros [a.k.a. Nemo] || email: nemo@clip.dia.fi.upm.es||\n||org: Computer Science, CLIP lab. || phone: +34 1 336-7448 ||\n|| Campus Montegancedo s.n. U.P.M. || ___ ___ ||\n|| Boadilla del Monte, Madrid, Spain. || \\\\ \\\\ o \\\\_) \\ _ \\__ ||\n\\+=========================================++== \\\\__ \\\\__\\\\ \\\\ == \\_(_\\_\\_) =+/\n',
"From: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com\nSubject: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard Waltham Division\nReply-To: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com ()\nKeywords: WRITE-720\nLines: 10\n\nOK all you experts!\nNeed answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated\n720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not.\n\nNote: It 'll read 720's with no problem.\n\nPlease e_mail or post.\n\n\n\n",
'From: david-s@hsr.no (David A. Sjoen)\nSubject: \'Moody Monthly\' and \'Moody\' the same?\nOrganization: Rogaland University Centre\nLines: 15\n\nAre \'Moody Monthly\' and \'Moody\' the same magazine (name change in recent\nyears)?\n\nIf not: Could someone post the address to \'Moody Monthly\'?\n\n:)avid\n\n-- \n __________________ ___________________________________________________\n| David A. Sjoen |"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they |\n| Gulaksveien 4 | follow me; and I give them life eternal; and they |\n| N-4017 STAVANGER | shall never perish, and no one shall seize them |\n| Norway | out of my hand." John 10:27-29 |\n`------------------\'---------------------------------------------------\'\n E-MAIL: david-s@hsr.no (Rogaland University Centre, Norway)\n',
"From: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester)\nSubject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50\nKeywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception)\nNntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph\nOrganization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu>, st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes:\n-| I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz\n-| 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously\n-| a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the\n-| systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for\n-| the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works\n-| fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer\n-| of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm)\n-| might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some\n-| suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications\n-| problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)?\n-| Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought\n-| that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). \n-| Are there any MC68882RC33?\n-| \n-| Thanks\n-| \tChristian \n-| \n\n\n Have you changed the crystal that clocks for the FPU. If you\n haven't then it won't work.\n\n\n Conrad\n",
"From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nReply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)\nOrganization: Rosemount, Inc.\nLines: 41\nNntp-Posting-Host: aquarius\n\nstgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:\n\n: Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain\n: chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a\n: cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is\n: a specialized example), and perhaps other uses.\n\nTrue.\n\n: These electric fields change with location and time in a large\n: organism.\n\nAlso True.\n\n\n: Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in\n: Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances\n: caused by these fields to make interesting pictures.\n\nNot really. \n\nKirlian photography is taking pictures of the corona discharge from\nobjects (animate or inanimate). The fields applied to the objects are\nmillions of times larger than any biologically created fields. If you\nwant to record the biologically created electric fields, you've got to\nuse low-noise, high-gain sensors typical of EEGs and EKGs. Kirlian\nphotography is just phun-with-physics type stuff (right up there with\nsoaking chunks of extra-fine steel wool in liquid oxygen then hitting\nthem with a hammer -- which, like a Kirlean setup, is fun but possibly\ndangerous).\n\n: Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in\n: organisms when better understood. Perhaps not.\n\nProbably not.\n\n--\nGrant Edwards |Yow! Vote for ME -- I'm\nRosemount Inc. |well-tapered, half-cocked,\n |ill-conceived and\ngrante@aquarius.rosemount.com |TAX-DEFERRED!\n",
'From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)\nSubject: Re: Gateway 2000 and ATI LB problem.\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: gray.cc.utexas.edu\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <jmgree01.734040660@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>, jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Jude M. Greer) writes:\n> I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with\n> my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB. \n> When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is\n> fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen \n> gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen\n> there is about a 3/4" bar of black. The screen isn\'t cut off, it just squeezes\n> everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can\n> manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just\n> shouldn\'t happen anyway. I\'ve called Gateway numerous times and they haven\'t \n> been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and\n> both times the new card didn\'t work at all in my computer. They even tried\n> to bill me for the first card because they didn\'t get it back in a couple of\n> days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks\n> before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story...\n> So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what\n> to do. Hell, let me know if you don\'t have a solution, just so I know I\'m\n> not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance.\n> \n> Jude M. Greer\n> jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu\n> \n> P.S. I already tried going into the MACH 32 install program and manually set-\n> ting up the card. Doesn\'t work. Whenever I try to increase the vertical size\n> of the 800x600 screen, it just starts to cut off the top and bottom.\n> \n\nMaybe its a monitor problem. You mentioned that you swapped cards, but not\nmonitors. Perhaps that could be it.\n\nDan\n\n-- \nDaniel Matthew Coleman\t\t | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu\n-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\nThe University of Texas at Austin |\t DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN\nElectrical/Computer Engineering\t |\t BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET]\n',
'From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)\nSubject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Was Re: Top Ten Tricks...)\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 53\n\ncramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n\n>judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:\n\n>>cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n\n># #Can you provide some evidence that the slave states regarded slaves as\n># #not humans? They were "outside our society" and similar phrases that\n># #basically meant that they didn\'t have to recognized as having the same\n># #rights as a free person, but they were never considered "not human" to\n># #my knowledge.\n \n># \tIsn\'t the fact that slaves were "purchased" as opposed to\n># \t"hired" enough evidence that they were not thought as humans?\n># \tDidn\'t the Bill of Rights provide basic freedoms to humans\n># \tthat were not available to slaves?\n\n>Not necessarily. Distinctions were made between "citizens" and\n>"persons" throughout the U.S. and various state constitutions.\n>For example, free blacks had some rights of citizens, but not all\n>the rights of citizens. I\'m curious if there was an additional\n>level of distinction made by the slave states to rationalize their\n>treatment of slaves, or if they just ignored the theoretical\n>problems of slave ownership.\n\nThe Bill of Rights, as far as I can see, does not once refer to "citizens",\nbut it makes several references to "people". For example, Article IV:\n"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,\nand effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be\nviolated"; Article V: "no person shall be held to answer for a capital,\nor otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment by\na Grand Jury ... nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty,\nor property, without due process of law"; Article VIII: "excessive bail\nshall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual\npunishments inflicted".\n\nNow I\'ve never heard that Constitutional rights apply only to citizens;\naren\'t they meant to apply equally to all *persons* living in the U.S.?\nWhether slaves were considered "not human" I don\'t know, but it seems\nthat a case could be made that they weren\'t treated as "people" as defined\nin the Bill of Rights. And since the nation is nominally based on the\nDeclaration of Independence which states that "all Men are created equal,\nthat they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,\nthat among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness",\nit would also seem that slaves would not follow under this definition\nof humanity.\n\n-----\nEric Smith\nerics@netcom.com\nerics@infoserv.com\nCI$: 70262,3610\n\n',
'From: dchien@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (David H. Chien)\nSubject: Orbit data - help needed\nOrganization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles\nLines: 43\n\nI have the "osculating elements at perigee" of an orbit, which I need\nto convert to something useful, preferably distance from the earth\nin evenly spaced time intervals. A GSM coordinate system is preferable,\nbut I convert from other systems. C, pascal, or fortran code, or\nif you can point me to a book or something that\'d be great.\n\nhere\'s the first few lines of the file.\n\n0 ()\n1 (2X, A3, 7X, A30)\n2 (2X, I5, 2X, A3, 2X, E24.18)\n3 (4X, A3, 7X, E24.18)\n1 SMA SEMI-MAJOR AXIS\n1 ECC ECCENTRICITY\n1 INC INCLINATION\n1 OMG RA OF ASCENDING NODE\n1 POM ARGUMENT OF PERICENTRE\n1 TRA TRUE ANOMALY\n1 HAP APOCENTRE HEIGHT\n1 HPE PERICENTRE HEIGHT\n2 3 BEG 0.167290000000000000E+05\n3 SMA 0.829159999999995925E+05\n3 ECC 0.692307999999998591E+00\n3 INC 0.899999999999999858E+02\n3 OMG 0.184369999999999994E+03\n3 POM 0.336549999999999955E+03\n3 TRA 0.359999999999999943E+03\n3 HAP 0.133941270127999174E+06\n3 HPE 0.191344498719999910E+05\n2 1 REF 0.167317532658774153E+05\n3 SMA 0.829125167527418671E+05\n3 ECC 0.691472268118590319E+00\n3 INC 0.899596754214342091E+02\n3 OMG 0.184377521828175002E+03\n3 POM 0.336683788851850579E+03\n3 TRA 0.153847166458030088E-05\n3 HAP 0.133866082767180880E+06\n3 HPE 0.192026707383028306E+05\n\nThanks in advance,\n\nlarry kepko\nlkepko@igpp.ucla.edu\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Surgery of damaged tendons and median nerve\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <BHATT.93Apr12161425@wesley.src.honeywell.com> bhatt@src.honeywell.com writes:\n>I thought I will explore the net wisdom with the following questions:\n>\n> Is there any better way to control the pain than what the surgeon suggested?\n> How long will such pain last? Will the pain recur in the future?\n>\nNo one can answer that. If she gets reflex sympathetic dystrophy,\nit could last forever. Just hope she does not. Most don\'t.\n\n> Do damaged (partially cut) tendons heal completely and is all of the finger\n> strength regained? How long does it take for the complete healing process?\n>\n\nSometimes they do and sometimes they don\'t. You just have to do the\nbest job you can reattaching and hope. You should know in a few\nmonths.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
'From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!\nArticle-I.D.: fringe.oNV82B1w165w\nOrganization: Organization for Mass Confusion.\nLines: 66\n\nryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:\n\n> My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or\n> something. I\'ve weathered attempted dog attacks before using the\n> approved method: Slow down to screw up dog\'s triangulation of target,\n> then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it\n> didn\'t work because I didn\'t have time. Riding up the hill leading to my\n> house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to\n> the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to\n> the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to\n> harm.\n\n[interesting dog collision story deleted]\n\n> What worries me about the accident is this: I don\'t think I could have\n> prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not\n> necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was\n> riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if\n> it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the\n> thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a\n> blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are\n> long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?\n> \n> I eagerly await comment.\n\nMy driveway and about half my neighbor\'s driveways are long enough to\ndo a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to.\nGranted, I live in the country, however I\'ve seen neighbors whip out\nof their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they\nclaim they can tell that "There\'s noone on the road for quite a ways."\nThis despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving\na Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a\ncar that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped. Same driver. Same car.\nAbout two months apart. \n\nObMoto: The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type\nof twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well\nthat they can\'t see me on my bike, not if they couldn\'t see me in \nmy pickup.\n\n> Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride\n> KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to\n> DoD# 0863 |I\'d be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to\n> ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .\n> \n> \n> * SLMR 2.1a * "He\'s hurt." "Dammit Jim, I\'m a Doctor -- oh, right."\n> \n> ----\n> +===============================================================+\n> |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)|\n> |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop|\n> +===============================================================+\n\n\n\tThere\'s nothing like the pitter-patter of little feet,\n\tfollowed by the words "Hey- you\'re not my Daddy!"\n\n\t(Sorry- I had to do it just once)\n\t\n\n--\nDean Woodward | "You want to step into my world?\ndean@fringe.rain.com | It\'s a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."\n\'82 Virago 920 | -Guns\'n\'Roses, \'My World\'\nDoD # 0866\n',
'From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho)\nSubject: 286 Laptop\nNntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 18\n\nMITSBISHI Laptop (MP 286L)\n\n-286/12 (12,8,6 MHz switchable)\n-2M RAM installed\n-Backlit CGA (Ext. CGA, MGA)\n-20M 3.5"HH HDD/1.44M 3.5" FDD\n-2 COM/1 LPT ports\n-complete manual set\n-Built like a tank\n-Excellent cosmetic cond.\n-dark gray\n-used very lightly\n\nProblems:\n(1)HDD stops working.\n(2)LCD sometimes doesn\'t work (ext. CAG/MGA works).\n\nBest Offer.\n',
'From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nReply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Engineering College, Colorado State University\nLines: 95\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.224353.24945@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n\n|> \tTell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops?\n\nIn the South Lebanon area, only Israeli (and SLA) and Lebanese troops \nare present.\nSyrian troops are deployed north of the Awali river. Between the \nAwali river and the "Security Zone" only Lebanese troops are stationed.\n\n|> \n|> >with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace,\n|> >than it should withdraw from OUR land.\n|> \n|> \tThere must be a guarantee of peace before this happens. It\n|> seems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain\n|> themselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions\n|> prolong Israels stay in South Lebanon.\n\nThat is your opinion and the opinion of the Israeli government.\nI agree peace guarantees would be better for all, but I am addressing\nthe problem as it stands now. Hopefully a comprehensive peace settlement\nwill be concluded soon, and will include security guarantees for\nboth sides. My proposal was aimed at decreasing the casualties\nin the interim period. In my opinion, if Israel withdraws\nunilaterally it would still be better off than staying.\nThe Israeli gov\'t obviously agrees with you and is not willing\nto do such a move. I hope to be be able to change your opinion\nand theirs, that\'s why I post to tpm.\n\n|> \tIf the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then\n|> Israel would not have to be there. Until it is, Israel prefers that\n|> its soldiers die rather than its children.\n\nAs I explained, I contend that if Israel does withdraw unilaterally\nI believe no attacks would ensue against northern Israel. I also\nexplained why I believe that to be the case. My suggestion\nis aimed at reducing the level of tension and casualties on all sides.\nIt is unfortunate that Israel does not agree with my opinion.\n\n\n|> \n|> >If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw \n|> >unilaterally from the so-called "Security Zone" before the conclusion\n|> >of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives,\n|> >advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel\'s \n|> >public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations \n|> >since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in \n|> >peace and has already offered some important concessions.\n|> \n|> \tIsrael should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is\n|> signed. Not a day before. Withdraw because of casualties would tell\n|> the Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is\n|> kill a few soldiers. Its not gonna happen.\n\n\nThat is too bad.\n \n|> >Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah\n|> >be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not \n|> >accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a\n|> >shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone\n|> >and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it.\n|> \n|> \n|> \tWhy should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer\n|> zone? It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while\n|> holding your neighbors land.\n\nBecause Israel is not occupying the "Security Zone" free of charge.\nIt is paying the price for that. Once Israel withdraws it may have\nlost a bargaining chip at the negociating table but it would save\nsome soldiers\' lives, that is my contention.\n\n If Lebanon were willing to agree to\n|> those conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already.\n|> Unfortunately, it doesn\'t seem that the Lebanese can disarm the\n|> Hizbolah, and maintain the peace.\n\nThat is completely untrue. Hizbollah is now a minor force in Lebanese\npolitics. The real heavy weights are Syria\'s allies. The gov\'t is \nsupported by Syria. The Lebanese Army is over 30,000 troops and\nunified like never before. Hizbollah can have no moral justification\nin attacking Israel proper, especially after Israeli withdrawal.\nThat would draw the ire of the Lebanese the Syrian and the\nIsraeli gov\'ts. If Israel does withdraw and such an act \n(Hizbolllah attacking Israel) would be akin to political and moral \nsuicide.\n\nBasil\n \n|> Adam\n|> Adam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu\n|> \n|> "If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\n|> wouldn\'t waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow\n',
"From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)\nSubject: Re: Dean Palmer Hurt?\nNntp-Posting-Host: swan.esd.dl.nec.com\nOrganization: Engineering and Support Division, NEC America, Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 14\n\nEdward Ouellette (edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:\n: I think Dean got hit by a pitched ball the other night... he got pinch hit for\n: and didn't play against Baltimore tonight... whats up with that? Is he hurt?\n: Please tell me he's not...\n\nHe evidentally got hit in the elbow by a Fernando pitch. His arm swelled\nfrom the elbow to the wrist (or something like that). They took X-rays\nof the arm and there is nothing damaged. He missed the last game with the\nOrioles, but he is suppose to be ready for the next game.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nMike West\nwest@esd.dl.nec.com\n",
"From: awakhras@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Amer Wahid Akhras)\nSubject: CD's For Sale\nOriginator: news@nimaster\nNntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu\nOrganization: Princeton University\nDistribution: USA\nLines: 26\n\nThe following used CD's are for sale. They are each $8 unless otherwise\nmarked. I will pay for the shipping and handling costs. If you are\ninterested in any just e-mail me at awakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu. At\nthat point we will figure out the payment and mailing procedure. \n\nArtist\t\t\t\tTitle\n\nRobbie Robertson\t\tStoryville\nLove and Rockets\t\tLove and Rockets\nJeff Lynne\t\t\tArmchair Theatre\nElvis Costello\t\t\tMighty Like a Rose\nPublic Image LTD\t\t9\nNeneh Cherry\t\t\tRaw Like Sushi\nBobby Brown \t\t\tDon't Be Cruel\nDepeche Mode\t\t\tBlack Celebration\nTraveling Wilburys Vol. 1\nBad Company\t\t\t10 from 6\nSoul II Soul\t\t\tVol. II-1990 A New Decade\nThe Godfathers\t\t\tMore Songs About Love and Hate\nPaul McCartney\t\t\tFlowers in the Dirt\nSimply Red\t\t\tStars\nPrince\t\t\t\tGraffitti Bridge\n\nAmer Akhras\nawakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu\n\n",
'From: rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu (Rahul Mehta)\nSubject: Info on Books on BIOS, 286 etc.\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 18\n\n\n\nHi Everybody,\n\n I am interested in the following topics.\n\n1)BIOS programming on 286 and 386.\n2)Memory management in 286 and 386.\n3)Developing Visual Basic Custom Controls.\n\n I would like to have your valuable opinion on the books\nthat are best in the above topics. Please send a mail to\nrmehta@paul.rutgers.edu . I will post a summary of the \nsuggestions.\n\n 2**32-1 thanks in advance.\n\n-Rahul Mehta\n',
"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)\nSubject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com>\n\tpmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:\n\n[I wrote:]\n>>The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and\n>>tell people, you are likely to go to jail.\n\n>Well, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell this is completely\n>and utterly untrue.\n\n>The U.S. does NOT have an official secrets act. We do have laws that\n>will punish you for revealing what classified information you learned\n>in your capacity as a government official, contractor, etc, and we\n>have laws that prohibit stealing such information. However, if they\n>sell you the chip, I can't see that they can make reverse engineering\n>it and revealing the details illegal.\n\nIn most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish,\nbut there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes\nsufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is\nclassified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is\n_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you\nare then not allowed to read your own paper.\n\nA less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are\nabout to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you\nbroke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge\nis interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would\nbe doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip.\n\nDon't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some\ncourt cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be\ncomforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it\nimprisoned them.\n\n--\n John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)\n",
"From: barnett@convex.com (Paul Barnett)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians\nNntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 15\n\nIn <C50FnH.Cvo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n\n>Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia:\n\n[ edited ]\n\nNow that's funny! (remembering that good humor always dances\nuncomfortably close to the truth) \n\nI can't wait to see the inevitable flames. :-)\n\n--\nPaul Barnett\nMPP OS Development (214)-497-4846\nConvex Computer Corp. Richardson, TX\n",
'Organization: Central Michigan University\nFrom: Martin D. Hill <32GFKKH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>\nSubject: college hockey all-star game\nLines: 3\n\nDoes anybody know the details of the Shriners All-Star game that featured the\nbest seniors in college hockey in a game in Orono, Maine? If you do, please\nreply.\n',
"From: craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter)\nSubject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base\nOrganization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2]\nLines: 37\n\nDale Stephenson (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) wrote:\n: In <C5JJrJ.EM3@cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:\n\n: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career\n: >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of\n: >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order.\n\n: And some comments, with some players deleted.\n\n: >Third Basemen\n: >-------------\n: >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672\n: Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short.\n\n: >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649\n: This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average.\n: His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of\n: that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the\n: Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and\n: judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play\n: third.\n\nGaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637\n\nApologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan,\nI like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember\ncompletely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the \nworld series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe \nthe next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Lots\nof factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome.\nIt may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football \neven when it's snowing and raining.\n\n-Craig\n\nI'm sure the company for which I work does not have all the same opinions \nthat I do...\n",
'From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: Red Barn Data Center\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5s9CK.2Bt@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:\n> who would be alive today if they had been released back when we were\n\n\tThe word "released" is loaded: until convicted in CXOurt,\n\tmy children are my own.\n\n\tWHen the Feds use this type of loaded logic, you cannot win:\n\t\t1) we accuse you\n\t\t2) we shoot a couple of your kids\n\t\t3) we blame you for those shots\n\t\t4) we harrass you for 51 days\n\t\t5) we tell you to come out or die\n\t\t6) we gas you\n\t\t7) you burn to death\n\t\t8) we blame you (prior to trial) for all of it\n> debating this a few weeks ago.\n>\n>\n>---peter\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n',
'From: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra)\nSubject: re: WH announcement\nReply-To: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 70\nNntp-Posting-Host: sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu\nCc: tuinstra\n\n\nQ: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry?\n\nA: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on\n encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify\n as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have\n briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the\n decisions related to this initiative.\n\nCongress?? So we\'re playing politics before we talk to CPSR, academia,\nthe public, internet users? I`ve heard of top-down design, but top-down \ndemocracy?? [Just whose state/district are the chip manufacturers in?]\n\nQ: If the Administration were unable to find a technological\n solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be\n willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more\n powerful encryption devices?\n\nA: This is a fundamental policy question which will be\n considered during the broad policy review. [...bs about\n the wonderfulness of the key escrow system...]\n\n The Administration is not saying, "since encryption\n threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,\n we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have\n effectively done); \n\nThey\'ll just provide an easily-compromised version to JQ Public.\n\n nor is the U.S. saying that "every\n American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an\n unbreakable commercial encryption product." \n\nMaybe we need a CRA -- Cryptographic Rights Amendment.\n\n There is a\n false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is\n an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be,\n and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned,\n balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper\n Chip" and similar encryption techniques.\n\nNice lullaby. But why am I not soothed?\n\n----------------\nAlso, \n\nIn article 15472@leland.Stanford.EDU, arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) writes:\n>P.S. I can\'t work out why the US government doesn\'t want to sell\n>them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode,\n>so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling \n>anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will\n>notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans.\n>\n\nWhy repeat themselves? It appears to some (and the story looks pretty\nconvincing to me, too) that the Justice Department stole a case-tracking\nsystem, modified it, and distributed it to "friendly" police and suchlike\nagencies around the world, eg. the Canadian Mounties. Of course, I have \nno doubt they swore Scout\'s Honor that there were no backdoors.\n\nWith that kind of intelligence, who\'d want to be swamped with terabytes\nof commercial traffic?\n\n+========================================================================+\n| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu |\n| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu |\n| |\n| "Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six" |\n+========================================================================+\n',
'From: JEK@cu.nih.gov\nSubject: Chanting of the Passion\nLines: 14\n\nMike Rolfe writes:\n\n > If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the\n > Passion is its being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator\n > chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass,\n > and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor.\n\nThis is done in English (same music as the traditional Latin) in\nmany Anglican parishes. I should expect that many RCC parishes would\ndo likewise. The ST MATTHEW PASSION and ST JOHN PASSION of J S Bach\nare direct offshoots of this tradition\n\n Yours,\n James Kiefer\n',
'From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)\nSubject: Re: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale)\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <colinm.735327894@cunews>\ncolinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:\n\n| Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190??\n| I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC.\n\nFrom the Maxtor Product Specification and OEM Manual, Doc. 1011002 Rev. F,\npage 35:\n\n J2, (20) J1 (34) POWER\n |xxxxxxxxxx| |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX| | UUUU |\n+-----+ +--------+ +-------+ |\n| 4 C 3 2 C 1 |\n| [ O O O O O O ] |\n\n\nThe only option you "should" jumper is the drive select, shown as "4C32C1"\nabove. There is also a drive power-up option jumper (elsewhere on the\ndrive\'s board) but the odds of that having been unset are slim.\n\nSince the 3B1 "normally" has only one HD, you would jumper betwwwn "C1" to\nselect the first (possible) drive address; if the 2190 is your second drive\non the 3B1, then jumper between "2C".\n\nThad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ]\n',
'From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Migraines and Estrogen\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <3FB51B6w165w@jupiter.spk.wa.us> pwageman@jupiter.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman) writes:\n>I read that hormonal fluctuations can contribute to migraines, could \n>taking supplemental estrogen (ERT) cause migraines? Any information \n\nI\'m not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level.\nTaking Premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women.\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n',
"From: johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson)\nSubject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper)\nOrganization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA\nLines: 23\n\nbrad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n\n[...]\n>And of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and\n>since the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the\n>magic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and\n>then can present the warrant to the key escrow house.\n\n Who makes them forget and destroy all copies of the key once they've\ndecided you're not a criminal today? Just curious.\n>-- \n>Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366\n------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. --------\nSteven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS |\nTRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com\nFP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90]\n1 Federal Systems Park Drive | Phone: +1 (703) 968.1000\nFairfax, Virginia 22033-4412 U.S.A. | Fax: +1 (703) 803.5189\n-- \n------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. --------\nSteven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS |\nTRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com\nFP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90]\n",
'From: im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak)\nSubject: Re: Booting from B drive\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Happy Campers USA\nLines: 25\n\nIn <C5nvvx.ns@mts.mivj.ca.us> rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) writes:\n[much discussion about switching 5.25" and 3.5" drives removed]\n\nAnother (albeit strange) option is using a program like 800 II\n(available via anonymous FTP at many major sites), or FDFORMAT\n(also available via anonymous FTP), that allows you to format\n5.25HD disks to 1.44Meg, or 3.5"HD disks to 1.2Meg (along with\nmany MANY other formats!) so you can DISKCOPY (yes, the broken\nMeSsy-DOS DISKCOPY!) the 5.25" disks onto 3.5" disks or vice\nversa... I use this techniques with "NON-DOS" self-booting \ngame disks on my old Tandy 1000, and it works... Another program\nnamed Teledisk (shareware--available on many major BBS\'s) will\nalso make the weird format disks, provided you have 800 II\nor FDFormat installed.... Some disks that won\'t DISKCOPY\nproperly can be readily Teledisk\'d into the proper format...\nAt least this is a software solution for a hardware/BIOS \ndeficiency, eh? \n\n\n--\nJoseph Zbiciak im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu\n[====Disclaimer--If you believe any of this, check your head!====]\n------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nNuke the Whales!\n',
"From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au)\nSubject: Reboot problem\nOrganization: University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 38\n\nFrom x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU Tue Apr 20 10:28:47 1993\nReceived: from usma1.usma.edu by trotter.usma.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-eef)\n\tid AA01628; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:27:50 EDT\nReceived: by usma1.usma.edu (5.51/25-eef)\n\tid AA03219; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:18 EDT\nMessage-Id: <9304201520.AA03219@usma1.usma.edu>\nDate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:17 EDT\nFrom: x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU (Peckham David CDT)\nTo: cs1442au@decster.uta.edu\nSubject: Problem.\nStatus: OR\n\n--------------------\n\nI am running a Unisys PW2 386SX20 with DOS 6. My problem, even when I had DOS\n5.0, is that when I have EMM386 loaded I can't CTL-ALT-DEL. If I do, the\ncomputer beeps a few times rapidly and hangs. Then I have to use the obscure\nreset (requires a screwdriver or pencil) or the power switch to reboot. Does\nanyone have a solution to this problem?\n\nE-mail me at x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu\n\nDave\n---------------------\n\nThanks,\n\ndave\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid S. Peckham | Internet : x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu\nU.S. Military Academy |\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-- \n Jason Brown\ncs1442au@decster.uta.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFav player Ruben Sierra\n",
'From: "George Guillory" <wk04942@worldlink.com>\nSubject: Tx. Senator Bob Krueger RTKBA statement\nNntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1\nOrganization: Performance Systems Int\'l\nX-Mailer: WORLDLink-DOS (3.3)\nLines: 10\n\nFor those of you interested, I just finished talking with a \nrepresentative of Senator Bob Krueger\'s reelection campaign about his \nposition on the RTKBA. Krueger was appointed by the Democratic Governor \nof Texas to complete Lloyd Bentsen\'s unexpired term.\n\nThe representative said that Senator Krueger did not have a position and \nwould only comment on specific legislation that was pending. No comment \nwas available on the various versions of the Brady Bill.\n\nBe warned and vote accordingly.\n',
'From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)\nSubject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)\nKeywords: CB900C, purchase, advice\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:\n>>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should\n>>be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about \n>>the transmission and taking my chances.\n>\n>\tThere should be no worries about the trans.\n>\n>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull\n>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number,\n>>but I\'ll probably be too busy riding ;-).\n>\n>\tDoes this count?\n\nYes. He thought about it.\n>\n>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t return...)\n>\n>Later,\n>-- \n>Chris BeHanna\tDoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee\'s Red Lady\n>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\n>Disclaimer: Now why would NEC\t 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\n>agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n\nJack Waters II\nDoD#1919\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n~ I don\'t fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~\n~ afternoon, when I\'m still asleep, that I worry about. ~\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n',
"Subject: Re: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ??\nFrom: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson)\nLines: 32\n\nIn <1993Apr12.154418.14463@cimlinc.uucp> bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) writes:\n>Hello,\n> \n> I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have\n>come across a few that look good:\n\n> Zapp 1.1 from Inmark\n> Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software\n> C++/Views from Liant\n> Win++ from Blaise\n\n>Some considerations I'm using:\n\n> Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and\n>intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very \n>important. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows\n>programming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with\n>the native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the\n>sake of changing the API, are valuable.\n\nThe Microsoft Founation classes (afx) that come with C/C++ 7.0 (and \nVisual C++) are very good, they already have a version for NT,\nit comes with source code, and is very close to the navtive API.\nIt also as some classes to manage data structures...\n\n...Stefan\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Stefan Olson Mail: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz\n Kindness in giving creates love.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
"From: Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu>\nSubject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University\nLines: 24\n\nThus said djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein):\n>Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is\n>a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a\n>new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three\n>keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole\n>knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as\n>E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it.\n>\n>The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when\n>someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M\n>the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C.\n>The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed\n>from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key\n>escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted?\n\nGiven the description of the algorithm given, the only plausible\nexplantion I can find is that K_P must be agreed to out of bandwidth\nin advance by the two parties; i.e. it's a standard shared symmetric\nkey.\n--\nMarc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted\nSecurity through Diversion: n. Theory which states that the public\navailability of good computer games is vital to maintaining system\nsafety. Contrast Security through Obscurity.\n",
'From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)\nSubject: Madison/Chicago --> Italy Air Ticket Wanted\nKeywords: Madison/Chicago, Milan, Italy\nArticle-I.D.: doug.1993Apr5.193913.14385\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 13\n\nHi,\n\n\tI am looking for a round trip Madison/Chicago --> Milan (Italy)\n\tair ticket. Anybody who has a transferable ticket but will\n\tnot use it please contact me at beng@cae.wisc.edu. Open-jaw\n\tticket highly desired.\n\t\n\tThank you.\n\n\nB. T. Ting\nbeng@cae.wisc.edu\n \n',
'From: Chera Bekker <bekker@tn.utwente.nl>\nSubject: WANTED: Xterm emulator for windows 3.1\nKeywords: xterm\nReply-To: bekker@tn.utwente.nl\nOrganization: University of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands\nLines: 14\n\nHello,\n\nI am looking for a Xterm emulator which runs under windows 3.1.\n\nPlease reply via E-mail.\n\nThanks.\n\nChera Bekker\n--\nH.G. Bekker E-mail: bekker@tn.utwente.nl\nFaculty of Applied Physics Voice: +3153893107\nUniversity of Twente Fax: +3153354003\nThe Netherlands \n',
"From: jon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)\nSubject: Re: Change of name ??\nOriginator: jon@atlas\nNntp-Posting-Host: atlas.mitre.org\nOrganization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.\nLines: 33\n\n\nIn article <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no>, Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:\n> \t1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or \n> \ttalk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY\n> \n> \t2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..\n> \n> \t3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup\n> \n> \tWe are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil \n> \tgoverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to\n> \tlet's say 1000 people ????\n> \t\n> \n> \n> \n> \tThis is not a .signature.\n> \tIt's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith\n> \tand to bring down the evil Internet.\n> \n> \n> Thomas Parsli\n> thomasp@ifi.uio.no\n\nHow about a group called talk.that.thomas.parsli.approves?\n-- \nClinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail)\n provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe)\n Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online)\n-- \nClinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail)\n provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe)\n Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online)\n",
'From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)\nSubject: Scanning radio:Realistic PRO-2024-was $200, sell for $150\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 45\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n\n\nArticle 10886 of alt.radio.scanner:\nPath: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008\nFrom: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)\n>Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner\nSubject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo\nDate: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 26\nMessage-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nHello.\n\nI have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc\nription:\n\n60 programible chanels\nfully detailed backlighted digital display\nheadphone jack\nantenna jack\nremovable telescoping antenna\nauto search\n\ncoverage:\n30-50mHz\n118-174mHz\n380-512mHz\n\nIt originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150.\n\nThank You.\n-- \n / / Buchanan in `96!\n / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.\n \\ \\/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou\n \\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu\n-- \n / / Buchanan in `96!\n / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.\n \\ \\/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou\n \\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu\n',
"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <Apr.19.05.13.28.1993.29224@athos.rutgers.edu> rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes:\n>Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those \n>who love him, who are called according to his purpose. \n>\n>Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will.\n>\n>We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on\n>Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that\n>matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture?\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nI've always taken Murphy's Law to be an exhortation to prudence, and\nan observation about the behavior of complex systems, rather than a\ndenial of divine benevolence.\n-- \n:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****\n:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********\n:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *\n:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><\n",
"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff)\nSubject: Re: Did US drive on the left?\nArticle-I.D.: hp-col.1pqtuiINNj5d\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 2\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com\n\nDeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been\nan export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then.\n",
"From: rcs1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson)\nSubject: W4W: printing envelops on DJ550C (not 500C!)\nNntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu\nOrganization: Cornell University\nLines: 19\n\nI've got a probelm with printing envelops on my deskjet 550C from Word\nfor Windows.\n\nHistory: when I had a Deskjet 500, I had to modify the macro so that\nit would disable reverse printing since there seemed to be a bug that\ninterferred with printing envelops. That bug is still present, however...\n\nNow: the problem I have is that my DeskJet 550 print driver (came with\nthe printer I bought in December) still wants to print the envelops in\nPORTRAIT mode. However, the DeskJet 550 feeds envelops the from the\nnarrow end (i.e. landscape mode). How do I get the printer to print\nthe envelops in the correct orientation?\n\nPLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not post this to the net since:\n (a) due to end of the semester cruch, I can't keep up on these groups,\nand (b) I will summarize the best answer(s) to the net anyhow!\n\nThanks in advance,\nCraig Stevenson\n",
"From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm)\nSubject: Re: Identify this bike for me\nArticle-I.D.: colorado.1993Apr6.153132.27965\nReply-To: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: Department of Rudeness and Pomposity\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: sluggo.colorado.edu\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:\n>}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),\n>}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally,\n>\nI think I've seen this bike. Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe\nand just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over\nby Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR. \nI didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my \nway home, all of 1/2 block off my route!) but it was gone.\n\nIs a single sided swingarm available for the CBR? I would imagine so, \nkinda neccisary for quick tire changes. When I first saw it, I assumed it\nwas a bike repainted to cover crash damage.\n\nJoel.\n",
"From: black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black)\nSubject: Re: Realtime X-tensions\nOrganization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA\nLines: 19\n\n>\tI am looking for information on any work that deals with real-time\n>\tsupport in X-windows????!!\n>\tWould be happy if you could provide any pointers or information\n\nConcurrent has a product called RealTimeX (tm) that is a set of real-time\nextensions to the X Window System. RealTimeX is currently supported on\nthe Concurrent Series 7000 and Series 8000 with the GA5000 graphics\naccelerator. If you need/want more info, let me know.\n\n\t\t- sam black\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nOnce you remove the absurdity from human existence, there isn't much left.\n\t\t __________\n\t\t / _______/__\n\t\t /__/______/ /\tblack@westford.ccur.com\n\t Concurrent /_________/\n\tComputer Corporation\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n",
'From: Joseph N Hosteny <jh8e+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Electric power line "balls"\nOrganization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 5\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>\n\n\n Do you know if there is an airport nearby? They may just be markers\nto tell pilots of small planes that there are power lines nearby.\n\n/Joe\n',
'From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )\nSubject: FOR SALE\nNntp-Posting-Host: sunsol.mlb.semi.harris.com\nOrganization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL\nKeywords: FOR SALE\nLines: 46\n\nI am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.\nThis scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.\nAlways garaged.\n\n\t1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)\n\n\tfactory 1200cc conversion kit\n\n\tless than 8000 miles\n\n\tBranch ported and polished big valve heads\n\n\tScreamin Eagle carb\n\n\tScreamin Eagle cam\n\n\tadjustable pushrods\n\n\tHarley performance mufflers\n\n\ttachometer\n\n\tnew Metzeler tires front and rear\n\n\tProgressive front fork springs\n\n\tHarley King and Queen seat and sissy bar\n\n\teverything chromed\n\n\tO-ring chain\n\n\tfork brace\n\n\toil cooler and thermostat\n\n\tnew Die-Hard battery\n\n\tbike cover\n\nprice: $7000.00\nphone: hm 407/254-1398\n wk 407/724-7137\nMelbourne, Florida\n\n\n',
'From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)\nSubject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon\n\t<1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp>\n\t<1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu>\nOrganization: Lick Observatory/UCO\nLines: 53\nNNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu\nIn-reply-to: dietz@cs.rochester.edu\'s message of 20 Apr 93 20:48:38 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:\n\n In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:\n\n > be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no\n > materials we can\'t get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids\n > and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low\n > grade fusion reactors.\n\n problem with 3He (aside from the difficulty in making any fusion\n reactor work) is that its concentration in lunar regolith is just so\n small -- on the order of 5 ppb or so, on average (more in some\n\n This thread reminds me of Wingo\'s claims some time ago about the moon\n as a source of titanium for use on earth. As I recall, Wingo wasn\'t\n ...\n even 1% of the basalts are 5% TiO2, this is trillions of tons of TiO2\n at concentrations only a factor of 2-3 less than in lunar high-Ti\n basalts. It is difficult to see how the disadvantages of the moon\n could be overcome by such a small increase the concentration of the\n ore (never mind the richer, but less common, terrestrial ores being\n mined today).\n\nWhy Paul, it\'s obvious.\nOnce chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth,\nas is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will\nsharply increase (we are of course not allowed to\nassume any developments in Ti processing).\nLunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for\nthe trendy jewelry market and certain applications\nof National Importance \n\n:-) :-) :-) \n\n\n(oops, this is sci.space... wrong rules of debate ;-)\n\n\nSeriously, I\'d say there is a flaw in Gary\'s analysis\nin that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe\nthe lunatics will just want some native Ti for local\nuse... as to why Lunar natives are cost effective, \nanalysis has shown they will be critical in providing\na sheltered manufacturing base, technological innovation,\ncritical materials and manpower in the war between\nthe Allies and Central Powers in about two hundred years...\n\n;-)\n\n| Steinn Sigurdsson\t|I saw two shooting stars last night\t\t|\n| Lick Observatory\t|I wished on them but they were only satellites\t|\n| steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware?\t\t|\n| "standard disclaimer"\t|I wish, I wish, I wish you\'d care - B.B. 1983\t|\n',
'From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore \'92)\nSubject: CLINTON: AM Press Briefing by Dee Dee Myers -- 4.15.93\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 844\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n THE WHITE HOUSE\n\n Office of the Press Secretary\n_____________________________________________________________________\nFor Immediate Release April 15, 1993\n\n\n PRESS BRIEFING\n BY DEE DEE MYERS\n\n\t \n The Briefing Room\n\n\n9:45 A.M. EDT\n\n\t \t \n\t Q\t Why was the 10:00 a.m. postponed? \n\t \t \n\t MS. MYERS: Just due to scheduling conflicts. So as we \nput out, the President will meet with the leaders of the national \npolice organizations at 2:00 p.m. in the Rose Garden, as opposed to \n10:00 a.m. The only other things on his schedule today are: At \n11:00 a.m. he\'ll meet with General Vessey, who, as you know, is on \nhis way to Vietnam to continue working on the MIA-POW issue. At \n12:30 p.m. he\'ll have lunch with the Vice President in the Oval \nOffice. And at 2:00 p.m. he\'ll meet with the police organizations.\nThen from 3:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. he\'ll do his weekly photos with the \nvarious groups.\n\t \n\t Q\t A photo op with Vessey?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There\'s no coverage on the Vessey meeting.\n\t \n\t Q\t Why?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Why? It\'s a closed meeting. \n\t \n\t Q\t What about the lunch?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: The lunch? No, there\'s no coverage.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is he meeting with any congress people today?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Nothing scheduled.\n\t \n\t Q\t There are no meetings --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There are no congressional meetings today, \nno.\n\t \n\t Q\t Has the President been given any information by the \nPentagon or reached any conclusion about the validity of this report \nfrom Hanoi? Any instructions to Vessey on how to deal with the \nVietnamese on that subject?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Well, clearly, the report is the first order \nof business. It\'s high on the agenda on something that they\'ll \ndiscuss. I think the President and General Vessey will discuss the \nparameters of his visit to Vietnam today, but the President hasn\'t \ndrawn any conclusions about the report yet. Certainly, it\'s \nsomething that he wants General Vessey to talk with the Vietnamese \nabout first.\n\t \n\t Q\t Did the President talk with any Republican senators \nyesterday about the stimulus package?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: He spoke with Senator Dole.\n\t \n\t Q\t How many times?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I believe once during the day and once last \nnight.\n\t \n\t Q\t What was the outcome of that?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: They\'re continuing to work toward some kind \nof an agreement on a jobs package.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is it your impression that Senator Dole is in any \nway flexible on this?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Well, I think we\'re hopeful that we\'re going \nto get some kind of jobs package through the Senate, and we\'ll \ncontinue to work with Senator Dole and others until we reach some \nkind of an agreement.\n\t \n\t Q\t Did they discuss the VAT tax?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t know if that came up.\n\t \n\t Q\t Can you check that?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Sure.\n\n\t Q\t So what are they -- is the President offering to \nscale down his program -- is that what he\'s trying to do, buy it down \nto where Dole will sign on?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Well, he\'s trying to protect as much of it \nas he can. But it\'s important to him to get some kind of a jobs \npackage through the Senate and through Congress now. And as soon as \nwe reach some conclusions on that, we\'ll let you know. But at the \nmoment, he\'s continuing to consult with members of Congress \nincluding, obviously, Senator Dole.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is he talking to anybody else?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t believe he talked to any other \nRepublicans yesterday.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is he talking to anybody today?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t think anything is scheduled, but I \nwouldn\'t rule it out.\n\t \n\t Q\t We were led to believe that the President called \nMr. Dole on the subject of Russian aid and that Bob Dole brought the \nconversation around to stimulus package. Is that correct?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think the President has contacted several \npeople on Russian aid. I think that it was always expected that the \nstimulus package or the jobs package will be part of any conversation \nhe would have with Senator Dole. The primary objective of the \nconversation was Russian aid. That was the first order of business, \nbut it was both.\n\t \n\t Q\t In the President\'s mind, are they linked \npolitically in that if the Republicans continue to reject the \nstimulus package, he thinks it will be harder to sell Russian aid to \nthe American people? Has he made that argument?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I can\'t talk about specifically what \narguments he might have made. The President is obviously committed \nto both. He liked to see a jobs package to the American people \nfirst. But as you know, we outlined the details of additional \nRussian aid last night in Tokyo.\n\t \n\t Q\t But does the President believe that the stimulus \npackage will make it more difficult to persuade Americans to vote for \nRussian -- to accept a vote for Russian aid?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think that the President is going to \ncontinue to work to pass the stimulus package, to pass a jobs \npackage, and we\'re still hopeful that we\'ll get some kind of jobs \npackage through the Congress.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is it fair to say that the President is negotiating \nnow with Dole?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: He\'s discussing options with him.\n\t \n\t Q\t On the stimulus, is it your understanding that over \nthe break some Democrats, themselves, have left the support that they \nhad earlier for the package, the stimulus package?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think we still have wide support in the \nSenate for the jobs package.\n\t \n\t Q\t But specifically, that you\'ve lost Democrats other \nthan Shelby?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t believe so. There hasn\'t been a \nvote.\n\t \n\t Q\t What about Kohl?\n\t \n\t Q\t Kohl and Feingold?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There hasn\'t been a vote yet. And we\'ll \ncontinue to work with senators to try to get a majority to try to \nbring the package to a vote, because we believe that a majority of \nthe members of the United States Senate support the package.\n\t \n\t Q\t If you\'re weren\'t worried about Kohl and Feingold, \nwhy did George mention Milwaukee projects the other day?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think George pointed out a number of \nprojects in a number of states that stand to be funded, or to lose \nfunding if this jobs package doesn\'t pass.\n\t \n\t Q\t No Democrats. (Laughter.)\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'ll let you draw your own conclusions.\n\t \n\t Q\t Does he plan to talk to Dole again today or any \nother Republicans again today?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There\'s nothing specifically scheduled, but \nagain, I wouldn\'t rule it out.\n\t \n\t Q\t Does he plan to put out any more press releases to \nany other states today?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: What we\'ve done is we\'re in the process of \nbreaking down the benefits of the jobs package state by state. I \nthink it\'s entirely feasible that as we sort of are able to sum those \nup, we\'ll send out press releases to the various states that suggest \nhow their states would benefit from this package.\n\t \n\t Q\t Will you share those with us?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Sure. As we did yesterday.\n\t \n\t Q\t Do you have copies of the ones you sent --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Yes, we made those available yesterday. And \nwe certainly can continue to provide them today.\n\t \n\t Q\t Dee Dee, since yesterday\'s questions and subsequent \nstories about the VAT, what further consideration of this issue has \nbeen given?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Nothing\'s changed since yesterday. I think \nthe President commented on it this morning to say only that it was \nsomething he knew was being considered by the task force and that he \nhas not made a decision on, and I don\'t think we have anything to add \nto that.\n\t \n\t Q\t But he also said that business and labor groups are \ntelling him they support it. Can you tell us --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think that there has been -- I\'m not going \nto speculate on who supports it. I think the President said that \nthere has been some support among business and labor groups. I don\'t \nthink he said he was directly contacted by them.\n\t \n\t Q\t Are we to take that to mean that the administration \nhas sounded out business and labor groups on this --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think there\'s been plenty of public \ndiscourse on this over the years and even recently, but I don\'t think \nI want to add to that.\n\t \n\t Q\t In February, though, the President said that this \nwas something to be considered 10 or 15 years down the road. What \nhas happened between then and now to cause this administration to \nchange its mind?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think as we said yesterday, it is \nsomething that the working groups are looking at. They\'re \nconsidering a wide variety of options on everything from funding to \nspecific options that will be covered by the President\'s health care \nplan. The President has not taken it up yet, has not made a decision \non it. And beyond that, I don\'t have anything to add.\n\t \n\t Q\t You haven\'t answered the question. It wasn\'t being \nconsidered by anyone in the White House after the President\'s \ncomments in February, and George reaffirmed that in a briefing.\n\t \n\t Q\t And then suddenly --\n\t \n\t Q\t What happened?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: The working groups, as we have said \nthroughout, we instructed to consider a wide variety of options \nacross-the-board. And one of the things that has been talked about \nand that they are clearly considering is some kind of a value-added \ntax.\n\n\t Q\t But the President himself took this off the table, \nDee Dee, and suddenly it reappears. And this goes to the credibility \nof this administration in a way. What has happened in the meantime?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: The President has not looked at this, it \nhasn\'t been presented to him, again, yet. The working groups are \nlooking at it, as they\'re looking at a wide variety of options, and \nno decisions have been made.\n\n\t Q\t And it raises the question of how independently the \ntask force is working.\n\n\t MS. MYERS: The task force was instructed to consider \nall options, and they\'ve taken that mandate seriously and they\'re \nconsidering all options.\n\n\t Q\t But that\'s not the impression that the President \nleft in February. The impression he left was that this was something \nthat was long-range, to be looked at 10, 15 years down the road. The \nclear implication of his remarks was that this was something that was \nnot on the table, not an option. \n\n\t Q\t "If it changes I\'ll tell you."\n\t \n\t Q\t Bring him on.\n\n\t Q\t And you repeatedly referred to the President\'s \nremarks, telling us that those were still in operation.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s changed, and we told you. (Laughter.)\n\t \n\t Q\t But that\'s what Alice Rivlin\'s comments and Donna \nShalala comments were about. I mean, that seemed like an \norchestrated effort because you have two independent Cabinet officers \n--\n\n\t MS. MYERS: I wouldn\'t -- no, Alice Rivlin\'s not a \nCabinet member, first of all. Second of all, it was not \norchestrated, but clearly, they both said yesterday and in the last \ncouple of days that it\'s something that\'s being looked at. We \nconfirmed that yesterday. And I don\'t have anything to add to that.\n\n\t Q\t Is it because he has very few options?\n\n\t Q\t Is this something that it will be incumbent upon \nthe task force to convince the President about? In other words, has \nthe President himself personally ruled it out and it\'s now up to the \ntask force to convince him to put it back on the table? Or is it, in \nfact, back on the table, having been placed there by discussions with \nthe President? \n\n\t MS. MYERS: It is not the working group\'s mission at \nthis point to convince the President of anything. It is their \nmission to put before him his options and to explain the benefits and \nthe costs and the basic pros and cons of each of those options. I \nthink that they will certainly present the VAT to him in that \ncontext, and at this point he\'s not -- that presentation has not been \nmade, but it\'s something that he will hear and he has not made a \ndecision on.\n\n\t Q\t They will present it to him as one of his options, \nthough he specifically ruled it out?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: Correct.\n\n\t Q\t Dee Dee, is this more than a trial balloon? Is \nthis a serious consideration that the working groups are giving to \nthis form of taxation?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s simply a statement of fact. The \nworking groups are considering a wide variety of options on a number \nof issues relating to health care reform. One of the options that \nthey\'re looking at is the VAT. \n\n\t Q\t Dee Dee, when the working groups were examining \nthis possibility, was this on the table during the same time period \nthat you were telling us that it was not?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t know what the specific timing of \ntheir drafting of options is. I don\'t know.\n\n\t Q\t Who was telling you that it was not under \nconsideration?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: I was referring back to the President\'s \ncomments.\n\n\t Q\t Have they discovered that the sin taxes won\'t raise \nenough money to fund the core benefit package?\n\n\t MS. MYERS: No, there\'s no decisions that have been made \non how to pay for the health care plan.\n\t \n\t Q\t I\'m asking whether the projections --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There\'s a number of options depending on how \nthe plan is structured. You can\'t decide how much the plan is going \nto cost until you decide what the plan is going to look like. And so \nyou can\'t discuss what financing options have been ruled in our out \nuntil you know.\n\n\t Q\t Dee Dee, we\'ve been told that they have a computer \nmodels on a number of possible packages.\n\n\t MS. MYERS: Correct. \n\n\t Q\t The question is whether they have now determined \nwhether sin taxes would not produce enough money for even the barest \nminimum package. That is not a very difficult computation.\n\n\t MS. MYERS: It is a question that you know that we\'re \nnot going to answer until -- there\'s a number of options being \nconsidered. It depends on how the package is structured. The exact \ndetails of the package and the financing mechanisms used to pay for \nthem are all among the decisions that have yet to be made. \n\t \n\t Q\t And when the President has been meeting with health \ncare -- his health care advisors, which we are told he has been doing \n--\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Correct.\n\t \n\t Q\t they have never once said to him, these are your \nfunding options, including the VAT? He has never heard the word VAT \nin his --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I am not going to comment on the specific \nnature of the daily -- they\'re not daily, but the quasi-regular \nbriefings.\n\t \n\t Q\t Well, you have.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I have not, other than to say that he\'s not \nconsidered the VAT. And I think that is a true statement.\n\t \n\t Q\t No, but you said that it has not been presented to \nhim as an option.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Correct.\n\t \n\t Q\t That doesn\'t mean he hasn\'t heard about it.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'m not going to get into the details of \nwhat\'s discussed. I think that statement stands for itself.\n\t \n\t Q\t specific, Dee Dee. When you say he hasn\'t \nlooked at it, do you mean that he hasn\'t looked at it in terms of \npaying for medical coverage, or hasn\'t looked at it in general? \nBecause back in Chilicothe he was very specific in defining how it \nworks, what the advantages are, the whole thing. It sounds like --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: But that was -- I think in Chilicothe, if \nyou go back to his remarks there, it was a broader philosophical \ndiscussion of the tax structure. And I think the comments were \ngenerally in reference to the overall economic plan. But clearly, \nit\'s something that he\'s thought about in the broad context. I mean, \nthat was clear in Chilicothe. What I\'m saying is that in the process \nof the working groups it\'s something that he hasn\'t considered yet. \nIt\'s something that the working groups will present to him among the \nnumber of options, and that no decisions have been made. And I\'m not \ngoing to comment any further on the details of the meetings where \nhealth care issues are being discussed.\n\t \n\t Q\t It\'s your statement from this podium that no \ndiscussion of this has taken place. You say that no option -- that \nthe option has not been presented to him.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: That is correct.\n\t \n\t Q\t Do you stand by -- does the White House still stand \nby George\'s statement in March that this will not be in the proposal?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No decisions have been made. We have \nnothing to add to what\'s already been said.\n\t \n\t Q\t Let me follow up here. Do you stand by what Rivlin \nsaid yesterday, that if any kind of VAT were to be used or \nconsidered, that other changes to the tax code would have to be made \nso that it would be less regressive?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'m not going to comment any further on what \nmight happen if.\n\t \n\t Q\t But do you stand by the previous conversations in \nFebruary that if there were to be a VAT, I think the President said \nyou\'d exclude food and energy --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'m not going to comment on the specific \nstructure of a decision that hasn\'t been made.\n\t \n\t Q\t Was the President aware prior to Donna Shalala\'s \ncomments yesterday that this was under consideration by the working \ngroups?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t know specifically what --\n\t \n\t Q\t Could you check for us, because that\'s a real \nimportant credibility question?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Sure.\n\t \n\t Q\t Since the task force was brought together this \nissue has been discussed, at the beginning and throughout, as one \nfairly painless way to raise a lot of money. Were you all kept in \nthe dark? Was the Press Office kept in the dark over the past month \nand a half when you\'ve been denying that a VAT tax would be \nconsidered that it was actually on the table over there as an option?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think we\'ve said all that we have to say. \nIt is something the working groups are looking at. The President has \nnot made a decision about it yet. And beyond that, I have nothing to \nadd.\n\t \n\t Q\t Well, sorry, Dee Dee, there are still a couple of \nquestions that we are going to have to ask because we have a problem \nwith credibility here -- yours primarily. What we\'re asking is, if \nyou all were not told at all that this thing was being considered \nwhile you were coming out here and telling us that it was not, or if \nit\'s a case that you were coming out here and deliberately misleading \nus.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t believe that anyone has ever come \nout here and deliberately misled you from this podium -- ever --ever.\n\t \n\t Q\t Has anyone tried to shade it a little bit to \nindicate something -- has anybody told anybody to come out --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We\'re not trying to shade answers or \ndeliberately mislead anybody. I\'ve said what I have to say about \nthis issue.\n\t \n\t Q\t All we were trying to find out --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I understand what you\'re trying to find out \nand I\'ve given you the answers, Helen.\n\t \n\t Q\t We\'re trying to find out what changed -- what made \nit an option again. That\'s the --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: The working groups were given a broad \nmandate to investigate all options, and they are doing that. \n\t \n\t Q\t Yes, but it wasn\'t an option before. How can you \ninvestigate it if the President has taken it off the table?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It is something that they\'re obviously \nconsidering and the President has not made a decision on.\n\t \n\t Q\t Yes, but he took it off the table in February.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Working groups are considering it. They\'ll \npresent it to the President at some point and he\'ll make a decision.\n\t \n\t Q\t Why would they consider it if he has taken it off \nthe table?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s clearly on the table. \n\t \n\t Q\t Yes, but he took it off the table. Did he change \nhis mind?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s back on the table, Bill.\n\t \n\t Q\t Did he change his mind?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: He said this morning that he hasn\'t made a \ndecision about it. He obviously knows that it\'s on the table. It\'s \nsomething that he will look at at some and when we have a decision on \nthis we\'ll let you know.\n\t \n\t Q\t So he must have changed his mind, right?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: At some point it will be looked at. I mean, \n--\n\t \n\t Q\t Dee Dee, there\'s like two options -- either he \nchanged his mind or the working groups think they\'re authority \nexceeds the President\'s.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: The working groups were given a broad \nmandate to look at all options; they\'ve done that.\n\t \n\t Q\t Are you going to put out his income tax?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Yes, there will be something available on \nhis income tax probably later this afternoon. His return will be \navailable. \n\t \n\t Q\t Will there be any kind of briefing to go through \nit?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No, nothing\'s planned. I think someone will \nbe available, probably not in a briefing setting, but to walk you \nthrough the questions.\n\t \n\t Q\t We\'re used to be walked line-by-line through the \npresidential tax forms.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'ve seen those briefings. (Laughter.)\n\t \n\t Q\t Could we have one?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No, I don\'t think there will be any kind of \na formal briefing, but there will be somebody available to answer \nyour questions about it.\n\t \n\t Q\t Did they file a joint form?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Yes.\n\t \n\t Q\t When did he file it?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I believe it\'s being filed today.\n\t \n\t Q\t Dee Dee, is there going to be a backgrounder for \nMiyazawa?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No, there will be a readout after the \nmeeting.\n\t \n\t Q\t No backgrounder today?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No backgrounder today.\n\t \n\t Q\t This is complicated stuff. We need help. \n(Laughter.)\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We can\'t give you taxes and Miyazawa all in \none day, it\'s too confusing. (Laughter.)\n\t \n\t Q\t Vance and Owen have opened the doors on the use of \nforce in Bosnia. They\'ve both said that, A, they never ruled it \nout, and B, it might be necessary now. Does that influence your \nthinking on whether or not to change your approach?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There\'s been no change in our policy towards \nBosnia. We have always said that we\'d consider --\n\t \n\t Q\t But does that impact upon your decision? Are they \npeople whose opinions would carry weight with you?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: They\'re people whose opinions carry weight \ncertainly. I mean, the President supports the process that they\'ve \ninitiated. But there\'s been no change in our policy for Bosnia, \nalthough we\'re considering a number of options right now. If the \nSerbs don\'t come back to the negotiating table, if they don\'t sign on \nto some kind of an agreement, we will consider additional options, \nwhich we\'ve been saying regularly.\n\t \n\t Q\t One follow-up question then? We cannot get a \nstraight answer from anyone in the administration. Why do you not \nset a deadline for the Serbs? Can you tell us the strategic or \ntactical reasons for not giving them a deadline to come to the table?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We\'re continuing to put pressure on them \nevery day.\n\t \n\t Q\t Which doesn\'t work so --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Well, we think it is having some effect. \nWe\'re going to continue to tighten sanctions. As you know, we \nsupport the omnibus resolution. We expect that to come to a vote on \nthe 26th. \n\t \n\t Q\t You say it\'s having an effect -- can you give us \nany documentation?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'d be happy to provide somebody to talk to \nyou about the impact of the sanctions and things like that.\n\t \n\t Q\t There\'s been no -- you have not been able to \nprovide anybody who can tell us that the sanctions have had any \neffect in Bosnia. Serbia, yes; in Bosnia, no.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I think that they\'ve had effect in Serbia \nand we think they\'ve had some effect in Bosnia. And again, I\'ll be \nhappy to provide somebody to walk you through the details of that, if \nyou\'d like.\n\t \n\t Q\t We would like to hear from someone who can show us \nwhat the effect has been in Bosnia. We had the briefing on all of \nthe terrible things that are happening in Belgrade, but we haven\'t \nseen anything that indicates an impact on the fighting. Can you \nprovide something along those lines?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I will see what I can get you.\n\t \n\t Q\t On the extra Russian aid that Christopher announced \nthis morning -- where is that money coming from?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We\'ll have to work with Congress on the \ndetails of that package.\n\t \n\t Q\t So that would be new money that you would hope to \nget?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Yes, that\'s new money, in addition to the \n$1.6 billion announced in Vancouver. So I assume that you all have \nseen the $1.8-billion package that was announced this morning in \nTokyo by Secretary Christopher.\n\t \n\t Q\t Isn\'t there a concern, though, about offering \nsomething which you have to get in Congress? I mean, that was the \nconcern with Vancouver; you didn\'t want to do that.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: The concern with Vancouver was to do \nsomething immediately, which required money that was already approved \nin the Fiscal \'93 budget. What we\'re looking at now is a little bit \nlonger-term plan to build on top of the $1.6 billion that we \nannounced in Vancouver. This clearly will require congressional \napproval, or some of it will anyway, and we\'re going to continue to \nwork with Congress to make that happen.\n\t \n\t Q\t To what extent has that been vetted or agreed to by \nCongress?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: The President has had a number of \nconversations with members and will continue to work with them as \nthis process moves forward.\n\t \n\t Q\t Was Christopher able to put this package out with a \nfair degree of understanding that you will be able to get it through \nCongress?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It was created in consultation with \nCongress.\n\t \n\t Q\t In meeting with the law enforcement officials, is \nthat -- does that have a set speech and a goal? A direction?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Yes, the President will talk about -- and \nthe law enforcement organizations are endorsing the President\'s jobs \npackage. They believe particularly the summer jobs package will help \ngive kids something to do.\n\t \n\t Q\t Who are they?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s members or leadership from three \norganizations: NAPO, which is the National Association of Police \nOrganizations; IBPO, which is the International Brotherhood of Police \nOrganizations, I believe; and IUPA, which is the International Union \nof Police Associations.\n\t \n\t Q\t Will the FBI chief be there?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: The FBI chief? No.\n\t \n\t Q\t Or any other federal law enforcement officials?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No, it will be the President and these \nnational law enforcement organization leaders.\n\t \n\t Q\t Does the $1.8 billion announced today include the \n$400 million that\'s in the FY \'94 budget for disarmament?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No. The Nunn-Lugar money is separate.\n\t \n\t Q\t So this would be the $700 million that\'s in the \nbudget already, plus another $1.1 billion?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I believe all of this is on top of the $700 \nmillion already in the budget.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is this going to be part of the supplemental or \nFiscal \'94 --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We\'ll work with Congress on the exact \nfunding mechanism -- on exactly how this will be paid for.\n\t \n\t Q\t This $1.8 billion on top of --\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: On top of $700 million -- on top of the $400 \nmillion Nunn-Lugar money we announced earlier.\n\t \n\t Q\t And this is what prompted the President to call Bob \nDole -- it was on this tranche, not on the previous money he was \ncalling Bob Dole?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Correct.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is there a briefing on Miyazawa?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: There will be a readout after the meeting \nwith Miyazawa. Tomorrow.\n\t \n\t Q\t Dee Dee, on a totally unrelated matter, some \nRepublicans who are active in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are \ncomplaining about this new cozy relationship between the White House \nand the Chamber of Commerce. There are -- the town hall meeting the \nother night, the satellite and all of this relationship.\nDoes the White House feel that you\'re getting too close to these \nChambers of Commerce?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: That\'s an interesting charge. (Laughter.) \nAfter how many years of Democrats being accused of not paying any \nattention to the Chambers, now there are those who would accuse us of \nbeing too close. I think that\'s interesting. But no, we\'re thrilled \nby the support we\'ve received from the national Chamber and local \nChambers across the country and we\'ll continue to work with them on \nthis and other initiatives.\n\t \n\t Q\t What\'s the status of the President thinking about \ngoing to this Democratic retreat?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s on his calendar. I think he\'ll almost \ncertainly go.\n\t \n\t Q\t All three days?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We haven\'t figured out exactly when he\'ll be \nthere yet. \n\t \n\t Q\t Is it open to coverage?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No, I believe the whole thing is closed.\n\t \n\t Q\t Is he going to have any kind of address, statement, \nanything at all on the gay rights march on the 25th?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: We\'re still looking at that. We haven\'t \nmade a final decision about how we\'ll -- who will make a statement or \nwhat --\n\t \n\t Q\t Any meetings scheduled with any of the leaders?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Nothing is scheduled, but I wouldn\'t rule it \nout.\n\t \n\t Q\t What about an AIDS czar?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s coming.\n\t \n\t Q\t Anything on the weekend?\n\t \n\t Q\t There\'s been a suggestion that he\'s going to this \nretreat to avoid having to participate in the gay rights -- or appear \nor have any involvement in the gay rights march.\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No, I think this is something he\'s been \ndiscussing for a long time -- appearing at the Senate Democratic \nretreat.\n\t \n\t Q\t The weekend?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: Weekend? Don\'t know -- the only thing on \nright now is the radio address on Saturday.\n\t \n\t Q\t Any travel plans?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: If it changes -- none right now.\n\t \n\t Q\t He\'s not going to be off campaigning for his \nstimulus package?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: No specific plans right now.\n\t \n\t Q\t What about mid-week? Anything likely?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: It\'s possible. Yes, I think it\'s likely \nthat we\'ll travel next week -- certainly the weekend.\n\t \n\t Q\t Has he called Thurmond about his daughter?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I don\'t know. I\'ll check.\n\t \n\t Q\t Going to name a drug czar this weekend?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: This weekend? I don\'t believe so.\n\t \n\t Q\t And the radio address on Saturday -- is that going \nto be focused on the stimulus package?\n\t \n\t MS. MYERS: I\'m sure it will.\n\t \n\t THE PRESS: Thank you.\n\n END10:10 A.M. EDT\n\n\n\n',
'From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)\nSubject: Re: sex education\nOrganization: Microsoft Corporation\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <Mar.26.02.54.26.1993.8940@athos.rutgers.edu> swansond@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson) writes:\n>In article <Mar.22.02.52.49.1993.330@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:\n>>[...]\n>>When I do programs, I spend\n>>about half the time talking about absitinence [...]\n>>I find that most people who object\n>>to sex education actually object to the teaching *anything* other than\n>>abstinencne, and that IMO is just as irresponsible as only talking\n>>about comdom use.\n>\n>I\'m under the impression that most sex ed instructors and/or policy makers\n>actually object to making any more than a passing reference to abstinence,\n>wishing to spend time only on the "realistic" choices. \n\nIn the "sex ed" portion of the high school "health" course I took\nin 1984, it was impressed that the only 100% positive way to *not*\nget pregnant was to *not* have sex.\n\nOther methods of contraception were discussed, in the framework of\na chart which showed both the _expected_ failure rate (theoretical,\nassumes no mistakes) and the _actual_ failure rate (based on research).\nTop of the chart was something like this:\n\n\n Method Expected Actual \n ------ Failure Rate Failure Rate\n Abstinence 0% 0% \n\n\nAnd NFP (Natural Family Planning) was on the bottom. The teacher even\nsaid, "I\'ve had some students tell me that they can\'t use anything for\nbirth control because they\'re Catholic. Well, if you\'re not married and\nyou\'re a practicing Catholic, the *top* of the list is your slot, not \nthe *bottom*. Even if you\'re not religious, the top of the list is\nsafest."\n\nYes, this was a public school and after Dr Koop\'s "failing abstinence,\nuse a condom" statement on the prevention of AIDS.\n\n-jen\n\n-- \n\n#include <stdisclaimer> // jenk@microsoft.com // msdos testing\n',
'From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Integra GSR\nArticle-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035020.16730\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes:\n>In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J\n>on Cochran) writes:\n>>> > I\'d like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt\n>>> >anyday, and it\'s a lot cheaper to boot\n\nComparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0\nand a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to\nappeal to different buyers, i.e., I don\'t think an Acura owner would\nbe seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa.\n\n[stuff deleted]\n\n>are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than\n\nNo Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires. \nThe GTZ does come with much bigger 16" wheels.\n\n>along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that\n>Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine\n>Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.\n\nThe C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype\nsupplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible.\n\n>Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1\n16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras.\n\n>> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep\n>>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top\n>>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the\n>>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).\n>***You always believe those exact numbers, why don\'t you drive a GS-R, and see\n>for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000\n\nThe GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed\nbox more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra\nequals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed.\n\n>rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn\'t call it a torque moster though!)\n>\n>>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4\n>>is a reliable engine, it doesn\'t make sense to get the Integra as a\n\nThe only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It\nwas a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD.\n\n>Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what\'s your definition of reliable- if that\'s reliable,\n>then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect\n\nThe only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k\nmiles, a rare screw up by Honda.\nBoth the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take\nthe GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR.\n\n\nCraig\n',
'From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov\nSubject: Babylon Book Offer\nOrganization: FNAL/AD/Net\nLines: 20\n\nFrom time to time I have made reference to a book called "The Two Babylons"\nwhich is a book written by Alexander Hislop (mid 1800\'s) about the Babylonian\nmystery religion and its flight through history. I was unable to put it down\nthe first time I read it, but others have found it dry. It has numberable\nreferences and illustrations. If you are interested in purchasing your own\ncopy, you can call Moody Book Store @ (312)329-4352 and order it for $16.99 and\nthey will ship it to you. \n It is a good book just to get the reference titles for your own digs into the\nmystery religions. I have found it invaluable for that purpose alone. But for\nthose who only want to skim the subject, it comes highly recommended. \n Just a note to my RC brothers and sisters. You may find this to be a\ndiatribe or you may find it to be a test to the origin and true nature of the\norigin of RCism. If you are offended by anything that asks hard questions\nabout your denomination (as to whether or not it is "Christian") then perhaps\nyou should just passover this offer. To those who are a little more\nadventurous, go for it and later, please contact me with you reasons pro or con\non the scholorship of this book. I really would be interested.\n\nadelphoi ev Christos,\nRex \n',
'From: acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (B. Bilal Acuner)\nSubject: Turkish Preisident Turgut Ozal passed away\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu\n\nTurkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT .\nMr. Ozal was 66 years old.\n\nBahadIr Acuner\nacunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu\n\n',
"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <wayne.02uv@amtower.spacecoast.org> wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes:\n\n>> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better\n>> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when\n>> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.\n>\n>A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data\n>from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data\n>and moves it to memory. \n\nIDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA,\nand most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to\ndo directly with SCSI.\n\n> For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is\n>issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other\n>devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do\n>something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be\n>what I am doing while reading this group.\n\nYou can thank your software for that. If DOS had a few more brains, it\ncould format floppies etc. while you were doing something else. The\nhardware will support it, but DOS (at least) won't. Again, this has \nnothing to do with SCSI.\n\n>Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which,\n>thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is\n>better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to\n>completely get rid of IDE.\n\nAnd if you stick with DOS you'll wonder why you can't multitask.\n\nAgain I ask why can't a UNIX or OS/2 type OS do all the miraculous things\nwith an IDE harddrive that it can with a (single) SCSI hard drive.\n",
"From: shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: XEL Communications, Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 106\n\nWayne Smith (wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca) wrote:\n: In article <1qk7kvINNndk@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:\n: >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi-\n: >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can\n: >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer\n: >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at\n: >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are\n: >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently\n: >>faster at managing data from a hard drive.\n\n: >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics \n: > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized \n: > drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max.\n\n: Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first?\n: You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they\n: exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point?\n\nWho said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth\ninvesting thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in .\n\n: Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone\n: know how they perform?\n\nYou didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism\nas standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's\ninterfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not.\n\n: >So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES \n: >the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode\n: >it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can.\n: As implimented on what system? \n\nOn mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If\nIDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file\nservers? \n\n: >The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put\n: >rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT\n: >the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the\n: >SCSI-2 through put. \n\n: Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive\n: controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do\n: at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence?\n: What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost?\n\nNo, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives\nat once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly.\n\nI just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I\nhaven't seen IDE drives cheaper.\n\n: The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card\n: (or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down\n: in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc\n: or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions\n: of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to\n: come down in price.\n\nNo, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because\nnobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read:\neasily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or\nMac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice.\n\n: I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented\n: data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better\n: (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when\n: managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.\n\nOn a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. But, you bought your PC for\nexpandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. The\nfollowing are why I find SCSI intrinsically better than IDE:\n\nA (partial?) list:\n\t1. You can add many different types of devices and access them \n\tconcurrently.\n\t2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac\n\tand a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice\n\twith SCSI -- hook them up and away they go)\n\t3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For\n\tinstance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor\n\t212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will\n\twork no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the\n\ttermination, plug it in, and away it goes.\n\t4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that\n\tthe time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is\n\tquite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c:\n\tto d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very\n\tnoticable, as many things can be going on at once.\n\nOne neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the\nability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with\nlittle problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've\nadded to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to\nhave 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive\nall on the same card. \n\nSimply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out.\n\nGreg.\n-- \n_______________________________________________________________________________\nYou can't go against nature, because when you do, \tGreg Shaw\ngo against nature, it's part of nature too.\t\tshaw@feanor.xel.com \n\t\t\tLove & Rockets\t\t\tuunet!csn!xel.com!shaw \n",
'From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar?\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.111910.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick \'Open VMS 4ever\' Colombo) writes:\n>\n>I don\'t know about trains, but I\'ve saw a sign on the back of a\n>Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off.\n>It doesn\'t explain why, but it does set off my radar detector.\n\nBecause Greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their\nRADAR collision-prevention system. They use RADAR to monitor how close\nother vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are, and signals\na warning to the driver if they\'re coming up on something too fast\nor are getting too close.\n\nThis is all I remember from the news reports a few months back; at\nthe time, they were only talking about the possibility of installing\nthe system. (They didn\'t mention how it worked in bumper-to-bumper\ntraffic, or how it discriminated between a Camaro approaching at\n120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached \nat 60mph on a curve.)\n\nI do recall something about progressive stages of warnings, from\nflashing lights to audible warnings--ie, it goes from a red "Too\nclose" light to hysterically screaming "WE\'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!" :-)\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu \nDISCLAIMER: I\'m not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...\'89 T-Bird SC\n "It\'s a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he\'s ever gonna have." \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"\n',
'From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Purdue University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 5\n\n sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:\n\n Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.\n\n\n',
"From: revco@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Boockholdt)\nSubject: Re: Lane Sharing in CA\nOrganization: California State University, Sacramento\nLines: 11\n\nIn three years of riding in the cities of San Jose,\nSanta Clara, and Sunnyvale I never came into any\nconflict with the local police over my lane splitting\nhabits (all three of these cities were listed earlier\nas being anti-splitting in one way or another). I\ncan't say whether this was due to luck, police\nkindness, or there not actually being any ordinances\nagainst it in these cities, so I continue.....\n\nRevCo\n\n",
'From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 53\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:\n\n>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:\n>>\n>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:\n>>\n>>>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n>>>>larger engine. That\'s what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family\n>>>>sedan with a powerful engine. They didn\'t even bother improving the\n>>>>*brakes.*\n>>>\n>>>\tThat shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the\n>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,\n>>>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, \n>>>drums rear.\n>>\n>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.\n>>of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right..\n>>then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still\n>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....\n>>\n>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn\'t take the SHO up to "standard"\n>>for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like\n>>11" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have\n>>braking regulations).\n>\n>Well, let\'s see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable\n>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11" vented front, 10" (?) rear), 3-point\n>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for \n>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6,\n>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with \n>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet\n>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating). \n>\n>Is that "up to standard"? If not, why not?\n>\n>\t\t\t\tJames\n\njames, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!\nnever was a t\'bird mentioned. The discussion was about SHO\'s and\n\'stangs not being up to spec. I do not know about t\'birds. I\nonly know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded\na little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff. This does not\nin any way disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it\na bad car. It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra\nbit of safety and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large\nenough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)\nand the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.\n\n\nc ya\nDREW\n',
'From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1r6f3a$2ai@news.umbc.edu> rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) writes:\n>>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used\n>>to compute sunrise and sunset times.\n>\n>Here is a computation I did a long time ago that computes the length\n>of the daylight. You should be able to convert the information here\n>to sunrise and sunset times.\n\nSorry, not so -- the changes in sunrise and sunset times are not\nquite synchronized. For example, neither the earliest sunrise nor the\nlatest sunset comes on the longest day of the year.\n\nYou can derive day length from sunrise and sunset times, but not\nvice-versa.\n',
'From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org\nSubject: Space Advertising (1 of 2)\nX-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993\nLines: 81\n\nBrian Yamauchi asks: [Regarding orbital billboards...]\n>And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN\n>news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the "wild\n>idea" stage or does it have real funding?\n \n Well, I had been collecting data for next edition of the\nCommercial Space News/Space Technology Investor... To summarize:\n \nSPACE ADVERTISING\n First, advertising on space vehicles is not new -- it is very\ncommon practice to put the cooperating organization\'s logos on the\nspace launch vehicle. For example, the latest GPS launcher had the\n(very prominent) logos on its side of\n - McDonnell Douglas (the Delta launcher)\n - Rockwell International (who built the GPS satellite)\n - USAF (who paid for the satellite and launch), and\n - the GPS/Navstar program office\n This has not been considered "paid advertising" but rather\n"public relations", since the restrictions have been such that only\norganizations involved in the launch could put their logos on the\nside, and there was no money exchanged for this. [However, putting\na 10\' high logo on the side of the launch vehicle facing the cameras\nis "advertising" as much as it is "public relations", in my\nopinion.] [And by the way, I note that the DC-X test vehicle has\nrather prominent McDonnell-Douglas and SDIO logos on the side...]\n There have been several studies looking at the revenue potentials\nfor use of space vehicles for advertising, or placing large\nadvertising signs in orbit. On the shuttle, for example, I know of\nseveral serious studies in the early and mid 1980\'s which looked at\nputting logos on the external tank, or on the sides of the payload\nbay. These ventures would be different than "public relations", in\nthat the logos or displays would not be restricted to the firms\nparticipating on that flight, and would involve payment of sums for\nthe right to fly the logos in a prominent organization. (For\nexample, painting the ET to look like a Pepsi can, or putting a\nDisneyworld logo on the inside of the payload bay where the cameras\nwould scan past it.)\n \nADVERTS ON LAUNCH VEHICLES\n The first paid advertising was done on a Soviet launcher in about\n1990, when several non-involved foreign organizations were allowed\nto pay to put their logos on a Proton launch. (An Italian shoe\ncompany was one of the first advertisers, I remember.) Similarly,\nSoviet cosmonauts on Mir made a paid advertisement for the last\nOlympic games, and have gleefully shown banners and other items from\nparticipating firms and organizations. Mars candy bars, for\nexample, got a plug from orbit as a sponsor of the launch of the\nBritish visiting cosmonaut to Mir.\n Now US firms are starting to put paid advertisements on launch\nvehicles. The upcoming Conestoga launch (in June) putting the COMET\nrecoverable payload capsule into orbit will have paid advertisements\non the side, for Arnold Schwarzenegger\'s upcoming movie "The Last\nAction Hero". Besides the usual logos of the participating\norganizations, Columbia pictures has paid $500,000 to put ads on the\nmain fuselage of the mission\'s Conestoga rocket, its booster\nrockets, and on the COMET payload, which will orbit the Earth for\none month. A concept for this advertising display was published in\nSpace News magazine a couple of months ago.\n (As a side note: Robert Lorsch, an advertising executive, is\ntalking about suing NASA. He charges NASA with appropriating an idea he\ncreated with the space agency in 1981 to form corporate advertising\nsponsorships on NASA spacecraft as a way to get funding for the\nspace program. Lorsch contends that in selling advertising space on\nthe upcoming COMET, NASA violated an agreement that it "would not use\nhis idea without him being the exclusive representative for NASA and\nreceiving compensation." This is being disputed, since the launch\nis a "commercial launch" and NASA is receiving none of the\nadvertising revenues, but the funding for the COMET program is\ncoming from NASA.)\n \nORBITAL "BILLBOARDS"\n Orbital "billboards" have been the staple of science fiction for\nsome time. Arthur C. Clarke wrote about one example, and Robert\nHeinlein described another in "The Man Who Sold the Moon". Several\ndifferent potential projects have been developed, although none have\nbeen implemented, but the most real prior to 1993 being the "Eiffel\nII" project, which would have placed a large inflatable sculpture in\norbit to celebrate the French Republic\'s Bi-centennial.\n (cont)\n\n--- Maximus 2.01wb\n',
"From: spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro)\nSubject: Re: NEW CD-ROM for Gateways', and misc. info\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\nTerry Clark (tclark@news.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:\n\n: The upgrade to a Nanao 550i is now $765.\n: (this monitor will handle 1280x1024 at a vertical refresh\n: of 72-76Hz).\n\n\tNot according to Nanao. The 550i will not do better than 60Hz\n\tat 1280x1024. BTW, Gateway told me the same thing.\n\n\n-- \nPhil\n-------------------------------------------\nPhil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647\n\n",
'From: lansd@dgp.toronto.edu (Robert Lansdale)\nSubject: Advice sought: Turning font outlines into renderable polygons\nOrganization: CSRI, University of Toronto\nDistribution: na\nLines: 53\n\n\nI am seeking some alternate solutions on how to turn a Postscript Type 1 or\nTrueType font outline into polygons that can be subsequently scan converted\nby a 3D scanline renderer. \n\nI have been studying the problem of font conversion for a few years but\nhave never had the need to implement such a system. Well, I now have the\nopportunity to write some font rendering software so I would like to have\nsome of my questions answered before I jump into the deep end.\n\nThe main problem I face is how to use the even/odd or non-winding rules to\nturn the outlines into a single outline polygon (my renderer can handle\ncomplex polygons so there is no need to reduce the polygons to simple\npolygons). For example, in the letter "O" there are two outlines:\n\n\t1) The outside outline which is clockwise (TrueType font)\n\t2) The inside outline which is counterclockwise.\n\nOne common solution used by a number of rendering packages is to simply \nconnect the inner outline to the outer outline at the point where the\ntwo outlines are closest. This is equivalent to descibing a "polygon with\nholes". The renderer will then make the appropriate hole since the interior\npolygon edges are in the opposite direction to the outside edges.\n\nI do not want to use this simplistic system since:\n\n\t1) It will not handle all outline fonts properly (it is not a simple\n\t\tmatter to connect the outer outline to the inner outline for\n\t\tsome fancy fonts).\n\t2) It does not properly handle the even/odd or non-winding rules.\n\nFrom my research over the years the proper solution is to use a trapezoid\ndecomposition algorithm to scan convert the outlines into trapezoids (as\nis done by the Postscript and TrueType font rasterizers). These trapezoidal\npolygons can then be easily and properly rendered by the 3D scanline renderer.\n\nMy question is: are there any better solutions to turning the outlines into\npolgyons other than the trapezoid decomposer? I am not fond of this solution\nsince it creates excess number of polygons.\n\nAnother question, for those in the know: what is the best algorithm to create\nbevelled and/or offset curves for font outlines? I have a dozen papers on these\nsubjects but I can\'t tell which method is the best to implement.\n\nThanks for any pointers.\n\n--> Rob Lansdale\n\n-- \nRobert Lansdale - (416) 978-6619 Dynamic Graphics Project\t\nInternet: lansd@dgp.toronto.edu Computer Systems Research Institute\nUUCP: ..!uunet!dgp.toronto.edu!lansd University of Toronto\nBitnet:\t lansd@dgp.utoronto Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A4, CANADA\n',
"From: staffan@alsys.se (Staffan K-E Ungsgard)\nSubject: Genius Mouse driver\nSummary: Genius mouse driver wanted\nKeywords: mouse, genius\nOrganization: Alsys AB (Telesoft Norden AB)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 15\n\nHello fellow netlanders.\n\nI have a Genius Mouse model GM-6, but no driver for it.\nIt's a 3 button mouse. If anyone that;s got one of theese\ncould mail me a driver (config.sys or autoexec.bat) I would\nbe very happy.\n\n\n\n\n-- \n Staffan Ungsgard \t\t: Internet:\n Telesoft Norden AB\t\t: Staffan.Ungsgard@nynashamn.telesoft.se \n Utsiktsvagen 10, \t\t: Phone: +46-8 52069014\n Nynashamn, Sweden\t\t: Fax: +46-8 52020965\n",
"From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das)\nSubject: overlapped window without a title bar\nOrganization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA\nLines: 31\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com\n\n\nHi, \n\nI have a simple question. Is it possible to create a OVERLAPPED THICKFRAME\nwindow without a title bar; ie\n\n\t(WS_OVERLAPPED | WS_THICKFRAME) & ~WS_CAPTION \n\n\nI don't seem to be able to get rid off the title bar.\n\nI have another question:\n\nI have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc)\nThe window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another \nchild(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of\nit's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do\nI make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings.\nI used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening\nis that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes\nbehild it's siblings.\n\nAny help would be greatly appreciated.\n\nManu \n\nPlease mail me at manu@oas.olivetti.com\n\n\n\n\n",
'From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES (Henrik)\nLines: 53\nNntp-Posting-Host: alban.dsv.su.se\nReply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University\n\n\n \n|> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n\n\n|>\tThe Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS\n|> to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their \n|> territorium...\n\t\n\n\tHomeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today\n\tFizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan)\n\tare their homeland. Can\'t you see the\n\tthe "Great Armenia" dream in this? With facist methods like\n\tkilling, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the \n\tblast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to\n\tescape the from Lacin, a city that was "given" to the Kurds\n\tby the Armenians. \n\n\n|> However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane \n|> to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one\n|> that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane\n|> (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.\n|>\n\n\tDon\'t speak about things you don\'t know: 8 American Cargo planes\n\twere heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities\n\tannounced that they were going to search these cargo \n\tplanes 3 of these planes returned to it\'s base in Germany.\n\t5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of\n\tof the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not\n\thumanitarian aid.....\n\n\tSearch Turkish planes? You don\'t know what you are talking about.\n\tTurkey\'s government has announced that it\'s giving weapons\n\tto Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan\n\tit self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons\n\tsince it\'s content is announced to be weapons? \n\n\n\n\n\n\nHilmi Eren\nDept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University\nSweden\nHilmi-er@dsv.su.se\n\n\n\n\n',
'From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)\nSubject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <Yfk8p=q00WBM47T0sJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David R. Sacco" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n> Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must\n> be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for\n> any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants\n> to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and\n> reinterpret the bits that don\'t match with one\'s desires. It\n> is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing\n> in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity.\n> The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect\n> to join. There are just so many.\n> \n> Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus\n> Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a\n> hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So\n> convenient that it is burdensome at times.\n\nYour last remark is a contradiction, but I\'ll let that pass.\n\nI was addressing the notion of the Great Commission, which\nyou deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies.\nThank you, Bing Crosby. Now you go right on back to sleep\nand mommy and daddy will tuck you in later.\n\nOh, and how convenient his bible must have been to Michael\nGriffin, how convenient his Christianity. "Well, I\'ll just\nskip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner\nand hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and\nconcentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing\nsomething wrong, you should shoot him in the back several times\nas he tries to hobble away on his crutches."\n\nI\'ll leave the "convert or die" program of the missionaries and\ntheir military escorts in the Americas for Nadja to explain as\nshe knows much more about it than I.\n\nMust be awfully convenient, by the way, to offer platitudes\nas you have done, David, rather than addressing the arguments.\n\nDean Kaflowitz\n\n',
'From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn)\nSubject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!!\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nIn article <93108.155839PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> <PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n[Pitt vs. Penn State controversy deleted]\n>\n>Bringing this back to alt.atheism relevance: So the guy says we\'re going to\n>Hell. That isn\'t sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator. At worst,\n>it\'s bad etiquette. (Unless you really believe that someone is using his\n>account without his knowledge/permission, which is actually against the law.)\n>-----\n>Patrick Saxton "Pitt is a second-rate school in a second-rate city."\n>pts102@PSUVM.psu.edu - anon\n>pts@ecl.psu.edu ob.atheism: "In Batman we Trust"\n>\n\nNo. It wouldn\'t be sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator if this\nwas just some guy saying that atheists are going to hell. The point was \nthat recently many messages were posted from that address. Each of these\nmessages was posted to a different newsgroup, with the apparent intent of\nprovoking the readers of that particular group. This, along with the fact\nthat these posts were written in all-caps, makes these posts suspect.\nWhoever is using this account is using it irresponsibly. If it is the\nintended user, they should consider appropriate action. If it is someone\nelse-- which seems a possibility, then this is also reason to report it.\n\tWe get many posts in the flavor of the one that started this thread.\nIt is only because I have seen posts on other groups by this user that I\nam considering action.\n\nBrendan\n\n',
"Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows?\nFrom: hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: /home/staff/hjstein/.organization\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sunrise.huji.ac.il\nIn-reply-to: paladin@world.std.com's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1993 21:40:44 GMT\nLines: 6\n\nI've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied\nwith it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386\nversion, and a windows version.\n\nHarvey Stein\nhjstein@math.huji.ac.il\n\n",
'From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)\nSubject: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC\nOriginator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl\nOrganization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands\nLines: 17\n\nI am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which \ndistributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software.\n\nThe information I am looking for is:\n\nMail address\nPhone number\nFax number\nE-mail address\n\nThanks in advance.\n\n-- \n*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***\n*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 ***\n*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands ***\n*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl ***\n',
'From: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nOriginator: bca@packard.ece.cmu.edu\nLines: 11\nReply-To: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson)\nOrganization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon\nDistribution: cmu\n\n\nIn article <1qmc7e$g1b@access.digex.net>, wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) writes:\n|> From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom)\n|> Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\n|> Date: 16 Apr 1993 09:27:10 -0400\n//// Much stuff deleted //////\n\nWhat is Win32? I upgraded to Mathcad 4.0 and it installed a directory for\nWin32 under \\windows\\system . During the upgrade it told me that win32 was\nrequired.\n\n',
'From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 108\n\nIn article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n\n[stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted]\n>The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power\n\nThe Mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the\nSHO. \n>plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.\n>I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a\n>brick (except when you\'re invoking oversteer, of course, something I\n\nIts hard to predicatbaly drift a stock Mustang because\nof the suspension.\n\n>personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is\n>inadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of\n>the car is not up to par.\n\nYes. When i think Mustang, I think school-bus + F16 motor. In\nmy mind the Mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80-90\nor so. It just isn\'t safe, check out your local junkyard, Mustangs\noutnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in\njunkyards.\n\nI find it astonishing the CU or somesuchlike has not jumped on the\nMustang for poor brakes in relation to power. Ford should at least\nstandardize on the SVO rear brakes for all 5.0\'s.\n\n\n\n>\n>I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in\n>mind. It didn\'t have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much\n>cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these\n>cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them\n>drivable at high speed. This should be elementary.\n>\n>There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought\n>it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe\n>the following to be true:\n>\n>1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.\n\nTrue of Northern Europe, latin countries are something else.\n\n>2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than\nKindof true. remember they were build by adolf in the \'30\'s.\n\n> they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them\n> far more predictable than most US highways.\n\nYes.\n\n>3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have\n\n"Autobahn" is the german word for freeway. Other countries have\ndifferent names for loose equivalents; autostrada, autoroute, motorway\netc.\n\n> speed limits that aren\'t out-of-line with what we used to have in\n> the US -- if my friends weren\'t lying to me they\'re typically not\n> much higher than 120km/h.\n\nEurope did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit. It hasn\'t passed as\nfar as I know. typical speeds in western europe are much higher than\nthe US. Law enforcement is negligible in my experience (comapred\nto the US) as there is no revenue enhancement motivation. The things\nyou really notice are the higher speed differentials, and the more\nprofessional attitude to driving. You just never see two cars\nrunning parallel at 55.1 mph oblivious to all around them.\n\n>\n>I strongly suspect you won\'t find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph\n>(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people\n\nYou\'re wrong. GTI\'s go this fast. Just kind of noisy, not the ideal\n\nautobahn car. A lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers\nfoot on the floor. How do I know? - when you\'re not making any ground\non the identical car in front of you!\n\n>have no respect for their own lives.\n\nIf something happens at 130-150 you\'re dead, but the same goes for much\nover 35. Driving at high speed forces you to concentrate. I feel much\nsafer driving 130+ on the autobahn than 60-80 in typical US traffic\nbecause most people seem to be awake. I\'ve never seen any driver reading\na book on an autobahn, I see it all too often in the US.\n\nCraig\n\nIt just doesn\'t *seem* fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation. everybody\ndrives that fast, no big deal. \n\nCraig\n>\n>>>You certainly haven\'t convinced me.\n>\n>>\tOf course not. "Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. \n>>I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother." You had your mind made up\n>>already.\n>\n>If you think so you sure don\'t pay attention to my postings.\n>\n>jim frost\n>jimf@centerline.com\n\n\n',
'From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu\nSubject: RE: page setup in Notepad\nOrganization: Clark University\nLines: 29\n\nIn a previous article, JOEL@jach.hawaii.edu (Joel Aycock) wrote:\n> \n>\tI struggled with the margin problem for ages as well, until I\n>finally got hold of the shareware binary editor BEAV133, and dug into\n>NOTEPAD.EXE (there is no SETUP facility to force NOTEPAD to default to \n>0.0 margins- it\'s hardwired into code!!!). \n> \n>\tDo a SEARCH for ".75", then change the offending bytes to ".00", \n>et viola. Who are the guys who hardcode these "options" anyway?\n> \n>\tI\'m interested in whether the problem only rears it\'s ugly head for \n>certain printers- I\'m using an old Epson LX-800 (or is that EX-800? never can \n>remember).\n> \n>aloha.\n\nYou are nto alone. I get the same problems with my Panasonic kpx 1124i (24 \npin). Oterhwise, it\'s a great printer. I just can\'t find a driver for it, \nonly for the non-"i" version. Anyone seen it?\n\nRob\n\n |------------------------------------------------------------|\n \\ rmohns@vax.clarku.edu /\n _________\\ /________\n \\ Rob Mohns /\n ==================================================\n Annoy Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself.\n ==================================================\n',
"From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)\nSubject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers\nOrganization: CWRU School of Medicine\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <mcbride.126@ohsu.edu> mcbride@ohsu.edu (Ginny McBride) writes:\n\n\n>In article <ashok.653.0@biochemistry.cwru.edu> ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu\n>(Ashok Aiyar) writes:\n\n>>Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent \n>>product, with several features beyond the DOS version.\n\n>>WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to \n>>packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim.\n\n\n>What's it gonna cost? \n\nAgain, I do not speak for Peter Tattam, but it is my understanding that it \nwill shareware status as Trumpet 1.05 for DOS is, and I imagine that the \nregistration fees will be similar. I also believe that a new version of \nTrumpet for DOS will be released sometime in the near future.\n\nAshok\n\n--\nAshok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu\nDepartment of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300\nCWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544\n",
'From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU ("Todd Karlin")\nSubject: New Uniforms\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 22\n\n\tUsually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor\nuniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been\nincredible.\n\tAny thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I\nremember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my\nguess he was wearing the exact same duds. \n\tThe Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC\'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have\nreinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets\ninsgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the\nfirst time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me\na little of the Dodger logo. \n\tMany teams have opted for a return to a previous style\nof uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional.\n(Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once\nbright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also\nseen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the\nearly years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums\nconstrucrted throughout the sixties.\n\tWith salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one\nin the comissioner\'s office, and inter-league play on the\nhorizon, it\'s nice to see that baseball at least looks like it\nwas meant to be. \n',
"From: tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell)\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nArticle-I.D.: lynx.1993Apr15.222023.1521\nOrganization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5HFr2.CpA@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>\n>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the\n>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights.\n\nI don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been\nconvicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite\nsufficient.\n\n\t\t\tTom\n",
"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nSubject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter, Part 2/4\nReply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY\nLines: 708\n\n\n------------- cut here -----------------\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 13\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n Gonorrhea -- Colorado, 1985-1992\n ================================\n SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n The number of reported cases of gonorrhea in Colorado increased 19.9% \nfrom 1991 to 1992 after declining steadily during the 1980s. In comparison, in \nthe United States, reported cases of gonorrhea in 1992 continued an overall \ndecreasing trend (1). This report summarizes an analysis of the increase in \ngonorrhea in Colorado in 1992 and characterizes trends in the occurrence of \nthis disease from 1985 through 1992. \n In 1992, 4679 cases of gonorrhea were reported to the Colorado Department \nof Health (CDH) compared with 3901 cases reported in 1991. During 1992, \nreported cases increased 22.7% and 17.5% among females and males, respectively \n(Table 1). Similar increases occurred among blacks, whites, and Hispanics \n(15.6%, 15.1%, and 15.9%, respectively); however, the number of reported cases \nwith race not specified increased 88% from 1991 to 1992 and constituted 9.7% \nof all reported cases in 1992. Although the largest proportional increases by \nage groups occurred among persons aged 35-44 years (80.4%) and greater than or \nequal to 45 years (87.7%), these age groups accounted for only 11.0% of all \nreported cases in 1992. Persons in the 15-19-year age group accounted for the \nlargest number of reported cases of gonorrhea during 1992 and the highest age \ngroup-specific rate (639 per 100,000). \n Reported cases of gonorrhea increased 32.9% in the five-county Denver \nmetropolitan area (1990 population: 1,629,466) but decreased elsewhere in the \nstate (Table 1). Half the cases of gonorrhea in the Denver metropolitan area \noccurred in 8.4% (34) of the census tracts; these represent neighborhoods \nconsidered by sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)/acquired immunodeficiency \nsyndrome (AIDS) field staff to be the focus of gang and drug activity. \n When compared with 1991, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed among \nmen in the Denver Metro Health Clinic (DMHC, the primary public STD clinic in \nthe Denver metropolitan area) increased 33% in 1992, and the number of visits \nby males to the clinic increased 2.4%. Concurrently, the number of cases \ndiagnosed among women increased by 1%. Among self-identified heterosexual men, \nthe number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed at DMHC increased 33% and comprised \n94% of all cases diagnosed in males, while the number of cases diagnosed among \nself-identified homosexual men remained low (71 and 74 in 1991 and 1992, \nrespectively). \n Four selected laboratories in the metropolitan Denver area (i.e., HMO, \nuniversity hospital, nonprofit family planning, and commercial) were contacted \nto determine whether gonorrhea culture-positivity rates increased. Gonorrhea \nculture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories contacted increased \n23%-33% from 1991 to 1992, while the rate was virtually unchanged in the \nfourth (i.e., nonprofit family planning). \n From 1985 through 1991, reported cases of gonorrhea among whites and \nHispanics in Colorado decreased; in comparison, reported cases among blacks \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 14\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nincreased since 1988 (Figure 1). During 1988-1992, the population in Colorado \nincreased 9.9% for blacks, 9.8% for Hispanics, and 4.5% for whites. In 1992, \nthe gonorrhea rate for blacks (1935 per 100,000 persons) was 57 times that for \nwhites (34 per 100,000) and 12 times that for Hispanics (156 per 100,000) \n(Table 1). Among black females, reported cases of gonorrhea increased from \n1988 through 1992 in the 15-19-year age group; among black males, cases \nincreased from 1989 through 1992 in both the 15-19-and 20-24-year age groups. \n\nReported by: KA Gershman, MD, JM Finn, NE Spencer, MSPH, STD/AIDS Program; RE \nHoffman, MD, State Epidemiologist, Colorado Dept of Health. JM Douglas, MD, \nDenver Dept of Health and Hospitals. Surveillance and Information Systems Br, \nDiv of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and HIV Prevention, National Center for \nPrevention Svcs, CDC. \n\nEditorial Note: The increase in reported gonorrhea cases in Colorado in 1992 \nmay represent an overall increase in the occurrence of this disease or more \ncomplete reporting stimulated by visitations to laboratories by CDH \nsurveillance staff during 1991-1992. The increases in confirmed gonorrhea \ncases at DMHC and in culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories \nsuggest a real increase in gonorrhea rather than a reporting artifact. \nHowever, the stable culture-positivity rate in the nonprofit family planning \nlaboratory (which serves a network of clinics statewide) indicates that the \ngonorrhea increase did not uniformly affect all segments of the population. \n One possible explanation for the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in \nColorado may be gang- and drug-related sexual behavior, as implicated in a \nrecent outbreak of drug-resistant gonorrhea and other STDs in Colorado Springs \n(2). Although the high morbidity census tracts in the Denver metropolitan area \ncoincide with areas of gang and drug activity, this hypothesis requires \nfurther assessment. To examine the possible role of drug use -- implicated \npreviously as a factor contributing to the national increase in syphilis (3-6) \n-- the CDH STD/AIDS program is collecting information from all persons in whom \ngonorrhea is diagnosed regarding drug use, exchange of sex for money or drugs, \nand gang affiliation. \n The gonorrhea rate for blacks in Colorado substantially exceeds the \nnational health objective for the year 2000 (1300 per 100,000) (objective \n19.1a) (7). Race is likely a risk marker rather than a risk factor for \ngonorrhea and other STDs. Risk markers may be useful for identifying groups at \ngreatest risk for STDs and for targeting prevention efforts. Moreover, race-\nspecific variation in STD rates may reflect differences in factors such as \nsocioeconomic status, access to medical care, and high-risk behaviors. \n In response to the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado, \ninterventions initiated by the CDH STD/AIDS program include 1) targeting \npartner notification in the Denver metropolitan area to persons in groups at \nincreased risk (e.g., 15-19-year-old black females and 20-24-year-old black \nmales); 2) implementing a media campaign (e.g., public service radio \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 15\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nannouncements, signs on city buses, newspaper advertisements, and posters in \nschools and clinics) to promote awareness of STD risk and prevention targeted \nprimarily at high-risk groups, and 3) developing teams of peer educators to \nperform educational outreach in high-risk neighborhoods. The educational \ninterventions are being developed and implemented with the assistance of \nmembers of the target groups and with input from a forum of community leaders \nand health-care providers. \n\nReferences\n\n1. CDC. Table II. Cases of selected notifiable diseases, United States, weeks \nending December 26, 1992, and December 28, 1991 (52nd week). MMWR 1993;41:975. \n\n2. CDC. Gang-related outbreak of penicillinase-producing Neisseria gonorrhoeae \nand other sexually transmitted diseases -- Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1989-\n1991. MMWR 1993;42:25-8. \n\n3. CDC. Relationship of syphilis to drug use and prostitution -- Connecticut \nand Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. MMWR 1988;37:755-8, 764. \n\n4. Rolfs RT, Goldberg M, Sharrar RG. Risk factors for syphilis: cocaine use \nand prostitution. Am J Public Health 1990;80:853-7. \n\n5. Andrus JK, Fleming DW, Harger DR, et al. Partner notification: can it \ncontrol epidemic syphilis? Ann Intern Med 1990;112:539-43. \n\n6. Gershman KA, Rolfs RT. Diverging gonorrhea and syphilis trends in the \n1980s: are they real? Am J Public Health 1991;81:1263-7. \n\n7. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and \ndisease prevention objectives--full report, with commentary. Washington, DC: \nUS Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS \npublication no. (PHS)91-50212. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 16\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n Effectiveness in Disease and Injury Prevention\n Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Restraint Use Among\n Children less than 11 Years of Age -- Selected States,\n 1988 and 1989\n ======================================================\n SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n Motor-vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among children and \nyoung adults in the United States and account for more than 1 million years of \npotential life lost before age 65 annually (1). Child safety seats and safety \nbelts can substantially reduce this loss (2). From 1977 through 1985, all 50 \nstates passed legislation requiring the use of child safety seats or safety \nbelts for children. Although these laws reduce injuries to young children by \nan estimated 8%-59% (3,4), motor-vehicle crash-related injuries remain a major \ncause of disability and death among U.S. children (1), while the use of \noccupant restraints among children decreases inversely with age (84% usage for \nthose aged 0-4 years; 57%, aged 5-11 years; and 29%, aged 12-18 years) (5). In \naddition, parents who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to \nuse restraints for their children (6). To characterize the association between \nadult safety-belt use and adult-reported consistent use of occupant restraints \nfor the youngest child aged less than 11 years within a household, CDC \nanalyzed data obtained from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System \n(BRFSS) during 1988 and 1989. This report summarizes the findings from this \nstudy. \n Data were available for 20,905 respondents aged greater than or equal to \n18 years in 11 states * that participated in BRFSS -- a population-based, \nrandom-digit-dialed telephone survey -- and administered a standard Injury \nControl and Child Safety Module developed by CDC. Of these respondents, 5499 \n(26%) had a child aged less than 11 years in their household. Each respondent \nwas asked to specify the child's age and the frequency of restraint use for \nthat child. The two categories of child restraint and adult safety-belt use in \nthis analysis were 1) consistent use (i.e., always buckle up) and 2) less than \nconsistent use (i.e., almost always, sometimes, rarely, or never buckle up). \nData were weighted to provide estimates representative of each state. Software \nfor Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (7) was used to calculate point estimates \nand confidence intervals. Statistically significant differences were defined \nby p values of less than 0.05. \n Each of the 11 states had some type of child restraint law. Of these, six \n(Arizona, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and West Virginia) had no \nlaw requiring adults to use safety belts; four (Idaho, Maryland, Pennsylvania, \nand Washington) had a secondary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., a \nvehicle had to be stopped for a traffic violation before a citation for nonuse \nof safety belts could be issued); and one state (New York) had a primary \nenforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., vehicles could be stopped for a \nsafety-belt law violation alone). In nine states, child-passenger protection \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 17\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nlaws included all children aged less than 5 years, but the other two states \nused both age and size of the child as criteria for mandatory restraint use. \nThe analysis in this report subgrouped states into 1) those having a law \nrequiring adult safety-belt use (law states), and 2) those without such a law \n(no-law states). \n Overall, 21% of children aged less than 11 years reportedly were not \nconsistently restrained during automobile travel. Both child restraint use and \nadult restraint use were significantly higher (p less than 0.05, chi-square \ntest) in law states than in no-law states (81.1% versus 74.3% and 58.7% versus \n43.2%, respectively). \n High rates of restraint use for children aged less than or equal to 1 \nyear were reported by both adults indicating consistent and less than \nconsistent safety-belt use (Figure 1). Adults with consistent use reported \nhigh rates of child-occupant restraint use regardless of the child's age \n(range: 95.5% for 1-year-olds to 84.7% for 10-year-olds). In comparison, for \nadults reporting less than consistent safety-belt use, the rate of child-\noccupant restraint use declined sharply by the age of the child (range: 93.1% \nfor 1-year-olds to 28.8% for 10-year-olds). When comparing children of \nconsistent adult safety-belt users with children of less than consistent adult \nsafety-belt users, 95% confidence intervals overlap for the two youngest age \ngroups (i.e., aged less than 1 and 1 year). \n Reported child-occupant restraint use in law states generally exceeded \nthat in no-law states, regardless of age of child (Table 1). In addition, \nhigher adult educational attainment was significantly associated with \nincreased restraint use for children, a factor that has also been associated \nwith increased adult safety-belt use (8). \n\nReported by: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control; National \nCenter for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC. \n\nEditorial Note: The findings in this report are consistent with others \nindicating that adults who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely \nto employ occupant restraints for their children (6,9). Because these \nnonbelted adults are at increased risk of crashing and more likely to exhibit \nother risk-taking behaviors, children traveling with them may be at greater \nrisk for motor-vehicle injury (10). \n Educational attainment of adult respondents was inversely associated with \nchild restraint use in this report. Accordingly, occupant-protection programs \nshould be promoted among parents with low educational attainment. Because low \neducational attainment is often associated with low socioeconomic status, such \nprograms should be offered to adults through health-care facilities that serve \nlow-income communities or through federal programs (i.e., Head Start) that are \ndirected at parents with young children. \n Injury-prevention programs emphasize restraining young children. In \naddition, however, efforts must be intensified to protect child occupants as \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 18\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nthey become older. Parents, especially those with low educational attainment, \nthose who do not consistently wear safety belts, and those from states that do \nnot have mandatory safety-belt use laws, should be encouraged to wear safety \nbelts and to protect their children by using approved child safety seats and \nsafety belts. Finally, the increased use of restraints among children may \nincrease their likelihood of using safety belts when they become teenagers -- \nthe age group characterized by the lowest rate of safety-belt use and the \nhighest rate of fatal crashes (5). \n\nReferences\n\n1. CDC. Childhood injuries in the United States. Am J Dis Child 1990;144:627-\n46. \n\n2. Partyka SC. Papers on child restraints: effectiveness and use. Washington, \nDC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety \nAdministration, 1988; report no. DOT-HS-807-286. \n\n3. Guerin D, MacKinnon D. An assessment of the California child passenger \nrestraint requirement. Am J Public Health 1985;75:142-4. \n\n4. Hall W, Orr B, Suttles D, et al. Progress report on increasing child \nrestraint usage through local education and distribution programs. Chapel \nHill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Highway \nSafety Research Center, 1983. \n\n5. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Occupant protection trends \nin 19 cities. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National \nHighway Traffic Safety Administration, 1991. \n\n6. Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ, Margolis LH. Characteristics of child safety seat \nusers. Accid Anal Prev 1988;20:311-22. \n\n7. Shah BV, Barnwell BG, Hunt PN, LaVange LM. Software for Survey Data \nAnalysis (SUDAAN) version 5.50 Software documentation. Research Triangle \nPark, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1991. \n\n8. Lund AK. Voluntary seat belt use among U.S. drivers: geographic, \nsocioeconomic and demographic variation. Accid Anal Prev 1986;18:43-50. \n\n9. Margolis LH, Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ. Use and misuse of automobile child \nrestraint devices. Am J Dis Child 1992;146:361-6. \n\n10. Hunter WW, Stutts JC, Stewart JR, Rodgman EA. Characteristics of seatbelt \nusers and non-users in a state with a mandatory use law. Health Education \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 19\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nResearch 1990;5:161-73. \n\n* Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, New York, Pennsylvania, \nRhode Island, Washington, and West Virginia. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 20\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries\n =========================================\n SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n Since 1983, CDC has published the CDC Surveillance Summaries under \nseparate cover as part of the MMWR series. Each report published in the CDC \nSurveillance Summaries focuses on public health surveillance; surveillance \nfindings are reported for a broad range of risk factors and health conditions. \n Summaries for each of the reports published in the most recent (March 19, \n1993) issue of the CDC Surveillance Summaries (1) are provided below. All \nsubscribers to MMWR receive the CDC Surveillance Summaries, as well as the \nMMWR Recommendations and Reports, as part of their subscriptions.\n\n SURVEILLANCE FOR AND COMPARISON OF BIRTH DEFECT PREVALENCES\n IN TWO GEOGRAPHIC \n AREAS -- UNITED STATES, 1983-88 \n\n Problem/Condition: CDC and some states have developed surveillance \nsystems to monitor the birth prevalence of major defects. \n Reporting Period Covered: This report covers birth defects surveillance \nin metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia, and selected jurisdictions in California for \nthe years 1983-1988. \n Description of System: The California Birth Defects Monitoring Program \nand the Metropolitan Atlanta Congenital Defects Program are two population-\nbased surveillance systems that employ similar data collection methods. The \nprevalence estimates for 44 diagnostic categories were based on data for 1983-\n1988 for 639,837 births in California and 152,970 births in metropolitan \nAtlanta. The prevalences in the two areas were compared, adjusting for race, \nsex, and maternal age by using Poisson regression. \n Results: Regional differences in the prevalence of aortic stenosis, fetal \nalcohol syndrome, hip dislocation/dysplasia, microcephalus, obstruction of the \nkidney/ureter, and scoliosis/lordosis may be attributable to general \ndiagnostic variability. However, differences in the prevalences of arm/hand \nlimb reduction, encephalocele, spina bifida, or trisomy 21 (Down syndrome) are \nprobably not attributable to differences in ascertainment, because these \ndefects are relatively easy to diagnose. \n Interpretation: Regional differences in prenatal diagnosis and pregnancy \ntermination may affect prevalences of trisomy 21 and spina bifida. However, \nthe reason for differences in arm/hand reduction is unknown, but may be \nrelated to variability in environmental exposure, heterogeneity in the gene \npool, or random variation. \n Actions Taken: Because of the similarities of these data bases, several \ncollaborative studies are being implemented. In particular, the differences in \nthe birth prevalence of spina bifida and Down syndrome will focus attention on \nthe impact of prenatal diagnosis. Authors: Jane Schulman, Ph.D., Nancy \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 21\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nJensvold, M.P.H, Gary M. Shaw, Dr.P.H., California Birth Defects Monitoring \nProgram, March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation. Larry D. Edmonds, M.S.P.H., \nAnne B. McClearn, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, \nNational Center for Environmental Health, CDC. \n\n INFLUENZA -- UNITED STATES, 1988-89\n\n Problem/Condition: CDC monitors the emergence and spread of new influenza \nvirus variants and the impact of influenza on morbidity and mortality annually \nfrom October through May. \n Reporting Period Covered: This report covers U.S. influenza surveillance \nconducted from October 1988 through May 1989. \n Description of System: Weekly reports from the vital statistics offices \nof 121 cities provided an index of influenza's impact on mortality; 58 WHO \ncollaborating laboratories reported weekly identification of influenza \nviruses; weekly morbidity reports were received both from the state and \nterritorial epidemiologists and from 153 sentinel family practice physicians. \nNonsystematic reports of outbreaks and unusual illnesses were received \nthroughout the year. \n Results: During the 1988-89 influenza season, influenza A(H1N1) and B \nviruses were identified in the United States with essentially equal frequency \noverall, although both regional and temporal patterns of predominance shifted \nover the course of the season. Throughout the season increases in the indices \nof influenza morbidity in regions where influenza A(H1N1) predominated were \nsimilar to increases in regions where influenza B predominated. Only 7% of \nidentified viruses were influenza A(H3N2), but isolations of this subtype \nincreased as the season waned, and it subsequently predominated during the \n1989-90 season. During the 1988-89 season outbreaks in nursing homes were \nreported in association with influenza B and A(H3N2) but not influenza \nA(H1N1). \n Interpretation: The alternating temporal and geographic predominance of \ninfluenza strains A(H1N1) and B during the 1988-89 season emphasizes the \nimportance of continual attention to regional viral strain surveillance, since \namantadine is effective only for treatment and prophylaxis of influenza A. \n Actions Taken: Weekly interim analyses of surveillance data produced \nthroughout the season allow physicians and public health officials to make \ninformed choices regarding appropriate use of amantadine. CDC's annual \nsurveillance allows the observed viral variants to be assessed as candidates \nfor inclusion as components in vaccines used in subsequent influenza seasons. \nAuthors: Louisa E. Chapman, M.D., M.S.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of \nthe Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for \nInfectious Diseases; Margaret A. Tipple, M.D., Division of Quarantine, \nNational Center for Prevention Services, CDC. Suzanne Gaventa Folger, M.P.H., \nHealth Investigations Branch, Division of Health Studies, Agency for Toxic \nSubstances and Disease Registry. Maurice Harmon, Ph.D., Connaught \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 22\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nLaboratories, Pasteur-Mirieux Company, Swiftwater, Pennsylvania. Alan P. \nKendal, Ph.D., European Regional Office, World Health Organization, \nCopenhagen, Denmark. Nancy J. Cox, Ph.D., Influenza Branch, Division of Viral \nand Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Lawrence B. \nSchonberger, M.D., M.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, \nDivision of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious \nDiseases, CDC. \n\nReference\n\n1. CDC. CDC surveillance summaries (March 19). MMWR 1993;42(no. SS-1).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 23\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n Clinical Research News\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n Clinical Research News for\n Arizona Physicians\n\n Vol. 4, No. 4, April 1993 Tucson, Arizona\n\nPublished monthly by the Office of Public Affairs at The University of Arizona\n Health Sciences Center. \n Copyright 1993, The University of Arizona\n\n High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies\n\nFollowing the birth of the first in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF-\nET) baby in 1978, a host of assisted reproductive technologies have been \ndeveloped that include IVF-ET, gamete intrafallopian tube transfer (GIFT), \nembryo cryopreservation (freezing) and gamete micromanipulation. Together, \nthese technologies are referred to as the high-tech assisted reproductive \ntechnology (ART) procedures. \n\nOvulation induction, sperm insemination and surgery for tubal disease and/or \npathology still are the mainstays of the therapies available for infertility \nmanagement. However, when these fail, it almost always is appropriate to \nproceed with one of the ART procedures. \n\nTherefore, in addition to a comprehensive basic and general infertility \nservice at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and \nInfertility, there is a program of Assisted Reproduction that specializes in \nART procedures. This program serves as a tertiary provider for those patients \nin the state of Arizona whose infertility problems cannot be resolved by the \ntraditional therapies. \n\nThe following article (on back) describes the ART procedures available in our \nCenter, clarifies appropriate applications for each, and considers the \nrealistic expectations for their success. Procedures included are: \n\no in vitro \no fertilization - embryo transfer (IVF-ET), gamete intrafallopian tube \n transfer \no (GIFT), cryopreservation of human embryos and gamete micromanipulation. \nThis article also considers ongoing research in our program that is directed \ntowards improved success of these technologies. \n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 24\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\n Future Areas of Research\n\nIn addition to ongoing research that is directed exclusively toward the \nmanagement of infertile couples, we are developing the technology to assist \ncouples who are at risk for producing embryos with a serious hereditary \ndisease. \n\nThis technology involves biopsying the preimplantation human embryo and then \nsubjecting the biopsied cells to genetic analysis using either DNA \namplification or fluorescent in situ hybridization. \n\nThere are recent reports of the successful application of DNA amplification by \nother centers, for example, for diagnosis of the genes for cystic fibrosis and \nhemophilia. We hope to apply and further focus fluorescent in situ \nhybridization technology for probing the X chromosome, the identification of \nwhich will provide a scientific basis for counselling patients who exhibit \nsex-linked disorders. \n\nThe considerable clinical application of such technology lies in the fact that \nit circumvents the need for prenatal diagnosis, in addition to the possibility \nof a subsequent termination of affected fetuses, in order to avoid the birth \nof affected children. \n\n\nCatherine Racowsky, Ph.D.\nAssociate Professor and Director of Research\nDepartment of Obstetrics and Gynecology\nCollege of Medicine \nUniversity of Arizona\nTucson, Arizona\n\n Applications, Success Rates and Advances for the\n Management of Infertility\n\nThe following are the ART procedures available at The University of Arizona \nCenter for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility. \n\n In Vitro Fertilization - Embryo Transfer is the core ART procedure of our \nAssisted Reproduction Program. This procedure involves retrieval of \nunfertilized eggs from the ovary, their insemination in vitro in a dish, and \nthe culture of resultant embryos for 1 or 2 days, before they are transferred \nto the patient's uterus. All cultures are maintained in an incubator under \nstrictly controlled atmospheric and temperature conditions. Before being \nprocessed for use in insemination, semen samples are evaluated in our \nandrology laboratory using both subjective light microscopy and computer-\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 25\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nassisted semen analyses. To ensure an adequate number of eggs with which to \nperform IVF-ET, or indeed, GIFT, follicular development is typically \nstimulated, with gonadotropins (perganol, metrodin), gonadotropin releasing \nhormone (GnRH, Factrel, lutrepulse) and/or GnRH analogues (lupron, Depo \nlupron, synarel). Occasionally, however, IVF-ET is accomplished with eggs \nobtained in non-stimulated cycles. While some programs utilize laparoscopic \negg retrieval in the operating room with the patient under general anesthesia, \nwe undertake the less costly approach of ultrasound-guided retrieval in our \nInfertility Unit, with the patient sedated. \n Couples who resort to IVF-ET exhibit such pathologies as tubal \ndeficiencies, ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, and/or mild forms of male \nfactor infertility. According to the United States IVF Registry, the overall \nsuccess rate for IVF-ET nationwide has stabilized at about 14 percent per \ncycle. Results from our program, involving 86 patients who have undergone 173 \nIVF-ET cycles, reflect a comparable success rate. \n Nevertheless, the overall incidence of success with this procedure is \ndisconcertingly low and emphasizes the need to address those physiological \nfactors that limit achievement of a higher percentage of pregnancies. Well \nrecognized predictors of outcome include patient age, response to exogenous \novarian stimulation, quality of sperm and number of repeated IVF-ET cycle \nattempts. However, among these, age is the single most significant determinant \nof conception. Therefore, it is critical that such patients are referred to an \nAssisted Reproduction Program at the earliest opportunity following failure of \ntraditional therapies. \n The underlying basis for the negative effect of age on fertility has not \nbeen clearly delineated beyond recognition that: 1) the number of eggs \navailable for retrieval declines markedly with age; 2) fertilization rates \nsignificantly decrease in eggs retrieved from patients who are over 40 years; \nand 3) provided the appropriate hormonal background is present, age is \nunrelated to uterine competency to sustain pregnancy. Ongoing research in our \nCenter, therefore, is investigating physiological changes in the egg that may \nbe impacted by age. We have determined that more than 50 percent of eggs that \nfail to fertilize in vitro are chromosomally abnormal, and that a significant \nproportion of these abnormalities are accountable to patient age. Currently, \nthe only recourse for such patients is to use eggs obtained from a donor. Our \nprogram has initiated recruitment of volunteer egg donors to satisfy the needs \nof a list of recipients interested in this form of therapy. \n\n GIFT - This high-tech ART procedure is performed in the operating room, \nusually with the use of a laparoscope and, in contrast to IVF-ET, involves \nintroducing sperm and freshly retrieved eggs into the lumen of the Fallopian \ntube (an average of 3 eggs/tube). Under these circumstances, fertilization \noccurs in vivo and, if excess eggs are retrieved, the remainder undergo IVF, \nwith subsequent options for embryo transfer in that cycle, or freezing for \ntransfer in a subsequent cycle. This ART procedure is applied to cases in \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 26\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nwhich there is at least one patent Fallopian tube but the couple has such \npathologies as ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, male factor infertility \nand/or idiopathic infertility. \n The data reported in the United States IVF Registry for 1985 through 1990 \nindicate that the overall success rate with GIFT is higher than that obtained \nwith the IVF-ET technique (range of clinical pregnancies for GIFT is 24 to 36 \npercent and for IVF-ET 14 to 18 percent). In view of this fact, one might \nexpect more patients to be treated with GIFT than IVF-ET. However, in our \nprogram we have taken into account three basic concerns which, while \nsubstantially reducing the number of GIFT cycles performed, benefit the \npatient. These concerns are: 1) the increased costs associated with performing \na procedure in the operating room; 2) the risks, albeit minimal, of undergoing \ngeneral anesthesia; and 3) the considerable benefits to be accrued from \nobtaining direct information on the quality and fertilizability of the eggs, \nand the developmental competency of resultant embryos. \n The increased success with GIFT undoubtedly reflects the artificial \nenvironment provided by the laboratory in the IVF-ET procedure. Between \nJanuary 1, 1991, and December 31, 1992, we have performed a total of 12 GIFT \ncycles, with an overall success rate of 20 percent. \n Embryo cryopreservation, or freezing, is applied in our program when \nembryos result from residual GIFT eggs or from non-transferred IVF embryos. \nThis procedure not only provides patients with a subsequent opportunity for \nsuccess at much reduced costs, but also circumvents the legal and ethical \nissues relating to disposal of supernumerary embryos. Therefore, as stipulated \nby the American Fertility Society ethical guidelines for ART programs, from \nboth a practical and an ethical standpoint, all Assisted Reproduction programs \nshould have the capability of cryopreserving human embrys. \n Gamete Micromanipulation - This ART procedure, which is still very new, \nis applied to couples who are unaccepting of insemination with donor semen but \nwho have severe male factor infertility (less than 10 million sperm/ml in \ncombination with fewer than 20 perccent motile sperm, and/or less than 10 \npercent sperm with normal morphology). We are currently developing the \nprocedure of sub-zonal insertion (SZI), which entails injecting sperm under \nthe coating around the egg, the barrier normally penetrated by the sperm \nthrough enzymatic digestion. \n Available data from SZI programs world-wide indicate that only 5 to 10 \npercent of SZI cycles result in a pregnancy. This statistic undoubtedly \nrelates to limitations imposed by abnormalities inherent in the sperm. \nTherefore, we are currently focusing on the development of improved techniques \nfor the recognition and selection of sperm chosen for manipulation. Such \nefforts are unquestionably worthwhile in view of the fact that this technology \noffers the only realistic opportunity for severe male factor patients to \nestablish conception. \n\nCatherine Racowsky, Ph.D.\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter Page 27\nVolume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993\n\nAssociate Professor and Director of Research\nDepartment of Obstetrics and Gynecology\nCollege of Medicine \n--------- end of part 2 ------------\n\n---\n Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165\n Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15\n Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na\n",
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...],
array([ 7, 0, 6, ..., 4, 16, 10]),
array([ 1, 4, 0, ..., 13, 18, 8]))
# we devide 90% for train and 20% for test
len(newsgroups.target) == len(y_train) + len(y_test)
True
len(newsgroups.data) == len(x_train) + len(x_test)
True
vectorizer = CountVectorizer()
vectorizer
CountVectorizer()
x_train_transf = vectorizer.fit_transform(x_train)
x_train_transf
# 9,051 rows and 118,714 columns.
# sparse matrix = primarily contain 0 effective when dealing with high dimesnional data where most entries are 0
# with 1438733 stored elements denotes the number of non-zero elements in the sparse matrix. These non-zero elements represent the token counts obtained from the text documents.
# in Compressed Sparse Row format indicates the specific format used to store the sparse matrix. The Compressed Sparse Row (CSR) format is a commonly used sparse matrix storage format that efficiently represents sparse matrices by storing only the non-zero elements and their corresponding row indices.
<9051x118714 sparse matrix of type '<class 'numpy.int64'>' with 1438733 stored elements in Compressed Sparse Row format>
x_test_transf = vectorizer.transform(x_test)
x_test_transf
<2263x118714 sparse matrix of type '<class 'numpy.int64'>' with 336329 stored elements in Compressed Sparse Row format>
x_train_transf, x_test_transf, y_train, y_test
(<9051x118714 sparse matrix of type '<class 'numpy.int64'>' with 1438733 stored elements in Compressed Sparse Row format>, <2263x118714 sparse matrix of type '<class 'numpy.int64'>' with 336329 stored elements in Compressed Sparse Row format>, array([ 7, 0, 6, ..., 4, 16, 10]), array([ 1, 4, 0, ..., 13, 18, 8]))
clf = MultinomialNB()
clf
MultinomialNB()
clf.fit(x_train_transf, y_train)
# fitting a classifier 'clf', to the training data 'x_train_transf', with their coresponding labels 'y_train'
MultinomialNB()
x_train_transf
<9051x118714 sparse matrix of type '<class 'numpy.int64'>' with 1438733 stored elements in Compressed Sparse Row format>
y_train
array([ 7, 0, 6, ..., 4, 16, 10])
y_test_pred = clf.predict(x_test_transf)
y_test_pred
array([ 5, 5, 0, ..., 16, 18, 8])
y_test
array([ 1, 4, 0, ..., 13, 18, 8])
y_test_pred == y_test
array([False, False, True, ..., False, True, True])
len(y_test_pred) == len(y_test)
True
ConfusionMatrixDisplay.from_predictions(
y_test, y_test_pred,
labels=clf.classes_,
cmap='magma'
)
<sklearn.metrics._plot.confusion_matrix.ConfusionMatrixDisplay at 0x1a09a2ef0a0>
clf.classes_
array([ 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16,
17, 18, 19])
print(classification_report(y_test, y_test_pred, target_names= categories))
precision recall f1-score support
alt.atheism 0.89 0.95 0.92 96
comp.graphics 0.82 0.68 0.75 117
comp.os.ms-windows.misc 1.00 0.07 0.13 118
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 0.61 0.80 0.69 118
comp.sys.mac.hardware 0.83 0.79 0.81 115
comp.windows.x 0.62 0.94 0.74 119
misc.forsale 0.88 0.56 0.69 117
rec.autos 0.84 0.91 0.87 119
rec.motorcycles 0.96 0.90 0.93 120
rec.sport.baseball 0.98 0.92 0.95 119
rec.sport.hockey 0.93 0.99 0.96 120
sci.crypt 0.76 0.98 0.86 119
sci.electronics 0.85 0.81 0.83 118
sci.med 0.93 0.94 0.93 119
sci.space 0.86 0.94 0.90 119
soc.religion.christian 0.78 0.99 0.88 120
talk.politics.guns 0.83 0.97 0.89 109
talk.politics.mideast 0.90 0.99 0.95 113
talk.politics.misc 0.88 0.90 0.89 93
talk.religion.misc 0.95 0.48 0.64 75
accuracy 0.83 2263
macro avg 0.86 0.83 0.81 2263
weighted avg 0.85 0.83 0.81 2263